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back to the show Ellen bench, Ellen is
a homeopathic
practitioner for animals and people.
And she had, big response from the first
time she was on the on the podcast
and was getting a lot of the same
questions
about how you go about implementing
a homeopathic livestock health strategy. And so,
she said, I'd like to come on and
answer those questions.
To the broader audience all at once if
I could, and I said, happy to do
it. I think we're well aligned in the
way that we think about
using what god provides
naturally to
help these animals and that are under our
care. And so,
happy to welcome her back to give her
an opportunity to answer some of these questions,
and then Solicit questions from some
Patreon supporters, Steve Campbell listen to the episode.
He sent me some questions. And so we're
gonna run through some of those as well.
Ellen. Welcome back to the working cow podcast.
Thanks for being here today. Yes, sir. Happy
to be here.
Yeah. Had some great feedback that I received
from the first episode that we did together
and
I I understand that you have had some
some feedback as well and have had some
people asking questions about.
Just kinda of the whole homeopathic
approach to livestock health, and so wanted to
get you back on sooner rather than later.
And give you an opportunity to maybe answer
some of those questions in a broader platform.
So, yeah, we are some of the most
common questions that you've been getting and and
how have you been helping people understand kinda
where to start
as far as down the homeopathic livestock health
journey. Great. Well, thank you, Clay. I wanted
to thank all of you for the opportunity.
To answer your questions, I'm still working on
individually calling everyone back, getting some farm profiles
and,
providing some solutions.
But I think that what's all obvious is
that I didn't give you a plan of
action.
So I had I've had some orders for
things like pink eye or hormonal lady cup
or even questions about lump jaw, which I
did mention,
during our last podcast that I was able
to solve for that.
So what I wanted to do is kinda
go back and start from the beginning and
make sure that, do you know that the
benefit of using
is that it's safe.
And it's effective. It's expensive.
It's organically qualified, and it meets demands of,
the national,
market, which is
natural and drug free. And,
if you can sell or even make aware
that you're did on vaccine free, while still
protecting your animals against
what vaccines are meant
to do is protect your animals from getting
ill. The market is amazing.
So home fits that
niche.
And I think that it's a profitable niche.
So, I'm the in review. We're gonna use
the nervous system to deliver homeopathic remedies.
We're gonna heighten the response to wellness and
be efficient about it.
We can do prevention. We can also do
treatment.
It's a stress free
application of the remedy.
And
with,
supporting people like Steve Campbell, who are giving
us a good tools like providing Minerals
or mineral solutions is that we wanna to
actually be able to assimilate that and make
it useful. And it is actually more useful.
So
if we can get them to assimilate calcium
and all the other minerals, and the
over
and deficiencies in these animals, like too much
copper too much manganese, not enough manganese, not
enough copper.
And the remedy produces
balance in that. They'll either use what they
need.
Or discharge what they don't. So that's a
really amazing
facilitator for you guys who are working hard
to
provide to your animals, what you know is
good in
seeing results is the remedies make it that
very efficient.
So what I wanted to do today and
if,
Clay is given me permission,
and encouragement
to give you the protocol. So what we
wanna know is that we're gonna use the
remedies that are provided in concentrate. They're provided
to you when a concentrate. We're gonna mix
that with water,
and we have to do a process it's
significantly important, which is to suppress that.
So the reason we use a
half gallon, nope jug or a half gallon
spray, half full so that we have room
to shake that up and actually imprint the
Y molecules with the remedy.
So we're gonna take that half down on
the water. We're gonna add those concentrate, shake
it up, then we can use it in
the in a spray.
So the spray is then, used to either
spray the animals directly or to spray the
salt.
So the mineral salt
I prefer that it not be in the
form of a powder like we'd use as
table salt, but in the rock salt
format, which is
that s S sea 90, it has some
trunks in it and some fines as well,
but the red salt chunky,
even even the better.
But we can spray that salt and then
offer it to the animals.
When we offer it to the animals, they
don't need a huge quantity.
They don't need 8 ounces or 2 ounce
if they just need a mouthful. If they
get
the remedy in their mouth, it's absorbed through
the mucus membranes and delivered to the nervous
system. Your brain is what tells your body
to for your heart to beat or are
you for you to be hungry.
Or for you to develop things like inflammation
and and fight infection. So
that's the source that we wanna facilitate. We
want the nervous system to work.
We don't have to do that through their
stomach or their bloodstream like we would do
with a conventional vaccine.
The use of these homeopathic remedies for disease
prevention.
It is 200 plus years old. It works
efficiently. I think what my product offers different
than what's available on old books or old
vets or old,
concepts of how to use remedies. Is that
I formulated
multiple remedies together to increase their efficiency and
the delivery system is completely different.
So if we were to try to give,
your horse or your dog,
or your daughter, a remedy, we could do
it orally with little or no problem. We're
talking about thousand cattle. That's an issue? We're
not gonna put it in their mouth directly.
So how do we get it in their
mucous membrane?
Is by them mas that salt. So if
they put it in their mouth, they flush
it, They chew it. They lick it.
And cattle different than sheep are easy to
also spray if we're gonna pull them through
the chute.
By spraying their nose. They have that magnificent
tongue that wipes their nose. The nose is
large. It's an easy target for us to
gently
spray them as they're being processed on and
off a truck.
In and out of a shoot.
And like I said, the salt, which is
the universal method
for delivery.
I think that we're able to deliver
about 95
percent
coverage.
So there are those our cases where they
may not eat the salt, which is why
leaving it out for multiple days is a
good idea instead of assuming that it gets
done in 1 day. I think 1 application
and put it out and left for, you
know, up to to 3, 4 days is
even a good idea. But the coverage is
outstanding.
There are ways of putting the remedy and
water, but they're inconsistent
effective because
The instructions aren't being followed. I've seen... I've
been out in the field with these guys
that have water tanks that are overflowing, and
they're spraying the top of the water while
the winds blowing with a spray.
So that's not a very effective way of
penetrating or
or medic a big volume, 500 plus gallons
of water at a time. So after watching
the
interpretation
and the implementation of how these remedies are
used, I d that the salt is the
most direct method
other than actually spraying the cattle going through,
like I said, the shoot.
So
What I want to start with is that
we get our herd in better shape.
So
I know all of you have that goal.
We wanna be
stress fit stress free
and increase their,
vitality. You know how we're gonna accomplish that
is we're gonna use that homeopathic remedy called
number 1, which says immune Each topics. So
the start should always be there. We're going
to take away
the side effects of the stuff you've done
for them in the past. If that's
immunizations, if that's a lot of antibiotics or
the futility in using antiviral.
So that detox is a significant step for,
the cattle
have and then the animals that you're gonna
bring in. So the only time you're gonna
repeat this remedy is when you bring in
new animals. Once they're clean, their clean, your
herd is closed, You're good to go. If
you add... That's the only time you're gonna
pull out that immune detox again. If they
immune detox, can be used that I don't
like to use more than 2 remedies at
a time.
But the 2 remedies that we can use
together would be to rebuild their immunity.
So we're gonna do that, which is what
you would assume you were doing with an
immunization or a vaccine,
but they're not necessarily very effective, and they
also
make the animal sick. The illusion is
that the concept of putting disease in an
animal or in a human even, it's going
to give them increased immunity when it does
the opposite.
It makes them sound sick. And the theory
is if there's some sick, they'll be more,
have a higher immunity or less vulnerable. But
the opposite turns out to be the case.
So we get
repetitive disease we get
the pink guy over and over and children
are gonna get that ear infection or strep
over and over. So
who wants that? I mean, we want we
want something that heighten immunity, not something that
diminishes it under the perception that is protection.
So the number 2 is called immune boost.
It's also
denoted as Hp and Hp means homeopathic prophylaxis,
prophylaxis has been used for every disease that
we know of and every
disease has been made into a remedy worldwide.
So I have a set of a hundred
and 50 diseases, not that you need them,
but we can use them for
tuberculosis and Dengue and malaria.
And measles. So in the cattle diseases,
we're gonna do that too. We're gonna give
them
provided
protection. The protection is well known to be
in the 90 fifth percentile or better. And
when you're talking about things like pink eye
or respiratory,
it's huge because we don't have a high
death loss. We don't have damaged cattle. We're
not taking a reduced fee for them when
they go to market.
So
it's a welcome change to be able to
protect your animals
in a safe and effective way. I highly
recommend that that remedy we did use quarterly.
Some people use them more I have people
I met this weekend while I was in
the nebraska that we're using it monthly.
Which is, you know, a lot, but, ultimately,
it's safe and effective if they wanna do
it once a month, I didn't discourage them.
But I think that most importantly, it'd be
done it at Susan changes. And
because we're talking to people in multiple countries
and multiple states,
you know that got and I do it
when those season changes take place. But season
changes of change
our
are the plants that the that the animals
forage on. It changes the parasites, it changes
their environment being too cold too warm, etcetera.
So at those season changes is a really
good time to use that,
immune detox. The next remedy, I think is
vital and significant and important and needs to
be used on a regular basis is what
I call pro vitality. And what pro vitality
is doing,
Is it
encouraging through the nervous system to assimilate
minerals and trace elements.
So it does copper. It does s millennium.
It does tell them. It does make magnesium
and all the things that we want,
the caliber assembly is provided by those high
quality products.
Like
Sc sea 90 and like that red and
soul. So you're put putting it out there
and what happens is we're gonna use it.
And I think that the significant part about
that is we're also gonna detox what we
don't want. So the body smart enough to
know... That's too much copper, That's too much.
Aluminum in the soil. So we're gonna detox
that while at actually absorbing what we need
in balance. Now the side effect of using
this pro vitality and I recommend you put
it out on the salt all the time.
Once a week at least,
that what happens
is that on the analyst become more efficient.
Over time you're gonna use less than mineral
because they're gonna need and efficiently use what
they're taking in. So that's really amazing.
So crazy side effect while field testing in
these herd all over Nebraska, Minnesota and Iowa...
While I was traveling
is that it did
fly
control. So the the parasites
were less in general, but the flies
we're flying over the animals instead of on
the animals that we were testing this vitality
on. So I was thrilled with that is
a really positive
sign. Now in humans we do this too
is that we know or I know by
observation, the people who are the bug magnets.
Get mosquito bit that get chick are always
people that are calcium deficient. So the the
same thing I... A assume is happening in
the animals
and they're showing that that add absorption
diminishes the bugs on them as well. So
that includes all parasites
like worms,
likewise. So that's an amazing remedy, and I
would keep it out at all times.
What you'll see also is better shut off
and all the other health signs that you're
looking for, on, that they're that they're perk
and, like I said,
efficient.
Can I ask a question?
Yes. Absolutely. So just to
review kind of the ground we've covered up
to this point.
Basically, we wanted to make sure that people
are applying it correctly.
They're not spraying it on top of the
water on a windy day when the tank
is overflowing.
They're also putting it in a in a
jug that has rum in it to shake
it up,
so that everything gets mixed properly,
adhered all the molecules get adhered properly.
Then we wanna apply it to
a a surface or we wanna apply it
onto the livestock
on a
on a mucus membrane. The nose is great.
That's why we use the salt.
Right?
Right. And the other 1 is that we
can also, like, for dairy cattle when they're
lined You know, it's great to. We can
port the spray it on the globe but
too. Right? It's very efficient. Then then we
moved on to the actual process.
And you recommended starting with immune detox.
And then going to immune boost. Is that
right?
Correct. And then the
immune detox is kind of a 1 time
thing unless you're gonna continually
introduce new animals to the herd.
And then the only ones that we'll need
medic at that point or the new ones.
Right. And then muted... On it. You wanna
catch the incoming. Yep. And then a moon
immune boost for a a period of time
and then pro vitality regularly. Is that right?
Ready Immune boost, we're gonna use initially once.
Then we're gonna repeat it quarterly for protection
because diseases are seasonal like respiratory in the
cold as an example.
So that you're gonna wanna take care of
that.
And make it available. The body we'll use
what it needs. But
it it does all the diseases that are
cattle vulnerable too and not limited to what
I listed.
Anthrax Bb tb v, white moss, Bruce tuberculosis,
etcetera. Right?
Y is a big deal for me. Yep.
And then so the pro vitality, you mentioned
just here recently that you said that the
pro vitality will, you know, help with things
that we're paying attention to, like, shedding off
better and all those things. And that, to
me is an indication of proper hormonal function
when when they're animals are shedding earlier. Those
are the more more properly functioning animals. And
so we're waking up some of these things
that indicate vitality.
And so... That... But that's once a week
type of a,
something that we're gonna use once a week
on the on on the salt pro vitality.
Right?
Yeah. But remember the parasitic,
side effect is to to have an anti
parasitic
disposition,
or
it is huge.
Huge.
I mean,
I think the efficiency of that was a
surprise like I said, because I only recognize
recognized it up to that particular part in
the human market.
But the fact that the cattle responded so
well,
was impressive. So I wanna make sure that
if you're going to try to do even
I have a product. It says diminished flies,
that you need to be used pro vitality
to make it efficient. Sure.
So thank you. I just wanted to review
make sure I was tracking where you were
where we had been, and and I I
will allow you to continue on.
Thank you. The product that's called Alfalfa booster.
Is really about putting weight on and keeping
weight on. So if we're going to,
wanna increase weight and have not like a
big winter weight loss
in animals are go to market. This is
a product that accomplishes that.
And I used it. It happens a lot
in horses that they're
especially thorough bread where it's really tough to
keep the weight on them. You guys are
working really hard whether you're using signage or
some kind of enhancement to, I'll put the
weight on, but this product helps that happen.
I like to see at this point, I
don't wanna use more than 2 remedies at
a time on the salt. So if you
wanna mix alpha off Boost pro vitality. That's
a good option
for those market cattle.
The next remedy is about alternative warming. So
poor on, and the way Pour works or
if you wanna just wanna talk about Iv
I've been acting or an anti parasitic.
They're all poison. If you're gonna kill something,
your animal is gonna suffer the consequences.
They're they're alive and they're, you know, it's
supposed to be efficient,
And you're gonna diminish that when you use
a
por on or any other type of warmer.
So what we wanna do is eliminate parasites
by actually being healthier instead of being sicker.
I think the more we use things like
poor, the more we have to use it.
It becomes a routine keep up. And this
is especially an issue we're sheep or super
vulnerable.
By for parasites, but alternative warmer is efficient.
I use it in dogs to even get
rid of things like heart warm.
And they use, you know, the way we
treat heart and dodges is with ars sn,
and they charge an enormous amount of money
for it on top of that, and your
animal may or may not survive the treatment.
So we wanna avoid the chemicals at at
as many
opportunities with as we have, and that's the
remedy alternative warm. You can do it in
your same routine that you would use your
power on. You can also do it. It's
great at season changes again because the forage
changes and the parasites that are in,
the grasses and the trees
are changed too.
You're speaking
the language of the working cows podcast here
because a lot of times we'll have guests
who say,
what really changed my mind on how I
approach agriculture is I realized that all I
was doing every day is waking up and
deciding what I was going to kill. And
everything I was using
ended with Cid e. Pest
herbicide, parasitic aside, you know, it was all
about killing things.
Rather than fostering life. And so when you
talk about using our ars sn to kill
art worms, you know, and rather than we
just
change our approach, change our mindset, look at
it a little differently
and and approach it that way.
It
ends up being a different a different
mechanism
that actually goes to work in our favor.
Does that make sense?
It does not do that. But if you
look at,
order parasites of appear, they always appear things
that are dead.
So we're talking about dead wood or the
if you stuff on, you know, on the
ground or the or the carrying in on
the ground.
And the the stool. That's the place the
parasites love to be... They love to be
in things that are unhealthy.
So when you were and you promote that
by a killing it and lowering the vitality,
you're actually encouraging
more parasites,
which, you know, in medicine is is great.
You have to buy more of that product,
but ultimately,
it's not to your benefit.
It's not long term
improved health. It's temporary and
like I said, it's...
It has a negative result
overall.
More questions good.
I I wanna give you the opportunity to
kinda cover the
the material that you had in mind, and
then I've I do have some questions from
from Patreon supporters and from Steve Campbell as
well. So
sure. Yep. I think I'm I'm tracking with
you so far.
Okay. Now the the other category that we
wanna embrace is things that happen
outside our control. And I think
We have contaminated cattle,
a contaminated ground I've heard, the neighbor cattle,
the birds that transferred disease from place to
place.
Is that, can you treat that soil to
get rid of staff and strap and pink
eye and what rod and all these things
were told mas night that are in the
ground?
It... We have germs
ever present, a hundred percent at the time.
Door, salt and pepper shaker and restaurants. I
mean, your kids are
are really good example of that is too
good sick and who doesn't. It's not because
there's plus or minus germs.
It's where... It's really about your immunity?
Can you defend against that, and our bio
is full of bacteria. We wanna have facilitate
the bacteria we have to do a good
job.
So we can do prevention with
and heighten and that immunity.
Why and we use those products for things
like respiratory, or pink eye or foot rot
to mas
another 1. So we could actually use them
for for for prevention. When using remedies for
treatment. They're used differently.
So if there's a more intense
application required, and it's... We know that because
we've got sick animals and you better,
you better get on it. We wanna have
the minimum amount of damage possible.
So when we treat things that are called
acute, acute is a disease typically that comes
from the outside,
where prevention is coming from the inside. So
if we can do prevention ahead of pink
eye, you I should have very few cases.
If at all. When you treat an animal
for a disease, let's say scour. You got
an animal down, you can use that scour
remedy and spray it on their nose
while they're in a vulnerable
position you get close to them as an
example. Is that
they'll be up within, you know, 20 minutes
or an hour by the time you go
back or come back again to get multiple
doses and they're already on the mend.
So it's pretty
obvious that
the remedies work for these acute. Same thing
with respiratory. You want to put stop this
snot. We're gonna stop the coughing within a
day or so their ears should be up,
and they should be
obviously improving.
So when we use
acute prescribing,
we're going to use the remedies,
multiple times in a row if we get
the chance. So you can use it if
you can, 3 or 4 times in a
row, we're gonna frame, wait 5 minutes frame
again. If they're called, that's an easier thing
to do than if they're running a mock,
and you're chasing them down with the 4
wheeler of the horse.
But, ultimately, if we can get multiple doses
on the animals,
it works very similar. I say to starting
an old dodge.
So you turn off on the starter, and
it does,
you're turn the key again, it says,
the third time you got it running, and
that's exactly what we're doing to the System,
we're gonna encourage it to get up, get
moving can get them going forward. Once it's
up and running, we're good.
But heated after that depends on the amount
of disease or the or the, I guess,
the degree, like respiratory. You can hit them.
3 or 4 times in a day and
3 or 4 times in a row during
those 3 applications. But what you're doing in
those cases is saving an animal.
We're not,
which now requires,
something I didn't talk to you about before.
You need need a first aid kit.
So in the homeopathic remedies are packaged like
that for you. I talked to Steve Campbell,
and he said, Ellen, put that opportunity on
sale what these guys that are watching these,
participating in these podcasts, the via set,
and I did that. So I put them
in a case. I gave you 1 of
everything. When you have a challenge in the
moment,
you have the tool. If you're gonna call
me and get it shipped to you in
3 days,
we ship try to ship same day if
we can, but you're still talking 3 to
4 days to get it across country.
So when you have a set of things
that include
moldy, hey or something that you need for
an acute condition like retain placenta. You can
get that placenta out while you're cabin.
You can turn a cow while you're cabin.
You can do an amazing
amount of treatment right there on the spot.
So if you have those tools. So I
made a set of them in small quantities,
So you don't need 8 ounces or and
then 16 ounces like you would for the
routine items you're gonna use. But just have
a toolkit on hand,
gonna be a value. If you have that
bag in your truck,
you can pull out that retain placenta, and
it will stop to just discharge in the
infection,
and facilitate healing
of but we're not gonna have things like,
if you see a pro lap uterus,
homeopathic we can fix that.
So we don't have to call back How
we can actually help her heal. You can
turn a baby actually,
a calf with a remedy, if it's done,
at the beginning of the birth process. So,
I mean, if you recognize you're in trouble,
we have tools for that.
I think that it's, you know, really amazing.
So
cube prescribing we're gonna use... We can use
the water in the spray you can also
use the the 1 ounce spray bottle yourself.
The problem with the 1 ounce spray bottle
is that the distance that it sprays is
not very far. It's probably about 12 inches.
So if you're down with an animal if
they're at the gate or you're gonna
you know, be able to reach them, that's
great. If not, we're back to that spray.
We're gonna mix that remedy
in a 1 gallon spray and that gives
you 10 feet instead of 10 inches. So
that's the reason for using a a better
tool than the spray bottle itself. The spray
bottle again contains a
concentrate. To concentrate if used directly on the
animal is very, very efficient.
If they've been wounded,
and you need something for first aid,
Yeah. That remedy is called injury combo, and
it will heal a muscle tent l bone,
puncture 1 and cut open. So
I... Nothing else needs to be said it
works better than pain killers,
including post surgery I use in humans so
that there's no pain meds necessary. And heels
in the rapid rate of speed. We don't
want animals down. You want them up
and you want them healing. So,
that remedy does a great job.
The remedies that are provided in the next
set of
are, again, is foot rod, mas,
and pink eye, you have travel stress.
I think you guys knowing or recognizing
that
cheaper,
for the cattle,
of minimizing it.
Obviously, it has benefits.
So
travel stress is is great for that.
I think respiratory
relief is,
freight for all of us. To deal with
respiratory
complaints. If the respiratory
complaints are coming from
or following me in We use the waning
remedy, and it actually prevents the,
respiratory,
the pneumonia.
So if we can des stress them from
being separated, both the cow and the calf.
They don't ball. But, I mean, it it's
really
impressive.
And, the result is known them pneumonia there.
So the respiratory reality is really made for
different circumstance. I hope then we.
The cast and branding,
when you're running them through the shoot, you
can spray, it's gonna perfect... Protect them from
T, it's gonna protect them from inspection.
It diminishes the stress even though the procedure
is, you know, wicked
and and stressful for both of you you
and them,
is that,
they're gonna come through on the other end
in much better shape.
So we're gonna do the mental on the
physical in this particular case cast and branding.
And I think that I developed this remedy
by being in the field. And and I
think
can you use it?
All you're doing it? Absolutely, Joseph,
get you through the procedure.
I in better shape too.
Now,
moldy Hey, I think is an an amazing
remedy, and
I... My sister,
who has cattle and also, hey
works sales or, hey.
I said that it's really insulting to say
that people have multi hay.
And that it's not very well received to
say use moldy hay. When I give that
advice. And I kinda
chuckle about that because Mold is in the
brass a hundred percent of the time. It's
how grass assimilate
It's minerals. It needs mold. It hit... They
have a synergistic
effect grass and mold. So a mold is
always present. When mold is in excess,
It causes multiple problems. It creates open cattle.
It's the number 1 reason for abortion.
The other thing it does is it's the
main reason for most
or complaints.
That breathing mold or eating that old hay,
especially at the end of the winter
when you don't wanna buy and there's no
grass yet.
Of this moldy hay is your is your
go to. It prevents the respiratory,
and it it keeps them from being toxic
from the mold.
If you're using it at the... At, after
your calls have been pre checked, and wonder
why you have open cattle,
This is probably 1 of the main reasons.
The other reason for open cows
is Std. And your bullet it is
after it covers from, you know, anything more
than a half a dozen into,
hundreds of cattle,
they're they're hypothetically dirty and any need cleaning
up. The number 1 reason be these I
guess number 2 reason behind Mobile hay will
be some form of
infection. So cleaning up your bull with arthritis
or if you have
powder that have been cows that have been
covered by a bulb that needs some help
is instead of using an antibiotic, we can
clean them up
and
send your bowl out. I would do this
as prevention for the bowl when you turn
them out or to add it when you're
re... When you're putting them in the field.
So great remedy, but you should have way
less open cows now knowing
White house, Cattle or cows are open to
start with. So
I'll take a breath and see if,
Clay has any questions up to this particular
point. Let's take a quick break and hear
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Couple of questions that I did have come
in from Patreon supporters and from Steve, the
same question actually. Was can you use the
brine water that Steve talks about making
to make these remedies? And, I guess a
connected question is,
how much does the water matter in the
remedies? Like, I've got,
water
and live on Sulfur Creek.
I've got water that has high sulfur content.
It's very hard water.
If we go through 2 bags of soften
or salt a week at our house, just
a soften the water sum. We drink our
water through a reverse osmosis system with a
mineral boost
with a mineral boost
cartridge on it as well. So,
how much does the water matter as far
as making these? And then the connected question,
can we use the Brian Water that Steve
Campbell talks about making to make this,
these these remedies,
thank you for the question.
So,
the problem with having the water supply is
typically they have multiple places to get water.
Including standing water.
So they're...
I've watched the kellogg bend over and drink
the water that they're standing in which has
urine in whatever, you know, other
contributions account will give it to drink. And,
that's actually the origin of scour truthfully.
Is that it's dirty. And now if they're
drinking that for a water supply versus going
over to at mineral tea,
that's a problem.
So
what we have is a issue or a
challenge with coverage.
So the other thing is quantity. How much
water can you put that brine in? So
I talked to Steve about using the water
a year or 2 ago? And also
about bringing
a kettle that we buy that are compromised
in health to... If you're con confined them
where you have that is the only source
of water. I think that's a good solution.
And what we're gonna do is mix the
remedy the same exact way of in that
half a gallon jug or spray, then you're
gonna dump put that in the bottom of
an empty tank.
If you add the t bag to that
and fill it with water, then it's effective.
If you add it to the top of
the water, not so much. So you need
the procedure to be correct. We're gonna make
the dilution We're gonna shake it up in
the water. We're gonna put the water in
the container first.
We're going to fill the water under pressure.
And then we're going to add the tea
bag and stir it up great.
The quantity of water, is that enough to...
Take care of the animals that you have.
If it's a 50 gallon
or a 5 gallon bucket, probably,
you know, or maybe not.
So if they have multiple sources of little
water again, I think that's a serious challenge.
And, like, they don't seem to, have any
issues with
a needing reverse osmosis or even clean water.
They... They'll drink anything.
So... But what about the actual water that
we're using to dilute the remedy?
If... You, that we're putting into the jug
to shake up, Can we use the the
brine water, will that make it better or
worse? Can we use
lower quality, water
straight out of the way... You can use
you can use any water to got. Okay.
And what you're gonna do is you're gonna...
The remedy when it's supposed just shaking hard
with the lid on it,
which is why a milk jug is so
handy, and then you can even dump it
into the spray. Some of the spares on
a convenient shape and size with a handle
like a milk jug is. But if you
can shake it and with the remedy in
it and then add it,
as the base for the water that you're
gonna make with a tb bag, it'll work
as long as like I said, that you
can ensure coverage, number 1.
Number 2 have enough
to
satisfy the amount of cattle that you have
and that they have a limited alternative water
source.
So if you know they're drinking out of
that, Brine because it's,
you know, yummy and desirable, that's great. If
they're not, you'd better come up with plan
b to get coverage.
So if we're doing this for pink eye,
I would be inclined to wanna,
you know, be running them through and even
spray.
It's always a sure thing.
When we I them, basically, when we're using
immune boost
or we're trying to prevent a disease,
you know, you want... I think something may
be more reliable. I'm not sure. Like I
said, in every circumstance,
is different. And I think after going to
all all the different farms and seeing their
sources
of water,
whether it's the creek, the pond, the direct
drinking for the wet ground.
It's to
in line water systems, which by the way
or easy to medicate if we have that
circumstance,
where you can medicate an inline tank a
55 gallon drum, and run it out to
other the water that are,
you know, self filling from that tank. Those
are really good options.
Bump, but I think you need to have
a limited water supply if you're gonna use
brine water. I think that the brine water
for a mineral
is different because it's basically a food substance.
When it's... We're medic them, you may wanna
be a little more
You know, you're gonna have to make that
decision. Are they all getting that water and
is that the only water source they have?
I were the... Eliminate as really the alternate
sources of water as possible?
Sure. To make sure you get coverage. That
would be my only question. Is the remedy
effective to do that? Yes. Is it as
as effective as treatment, which is more direct?
Maybe maybe not.
And and,
I think it's a great idea. I just
wanna eliminate. Like I said, them pulling over
to the pond and getting.
By the way, in reference to your hard
water and the sulfur. There is sulfur in
that
vitality.
So we're gonna use that sulfur efficiently. It's
a great
software in general is a great antibiotic.
You know, it serves a purpose.
It's just in excess
doesn't taste good or smart. Does it... The
vitality does address the sulfur issue.
My water on a livestock water test actually
rates good to excellent for livestock.
It's it but it does have a lot
of total dissolved solids in it, so that...
It's hard on home
systems, you know, and it it will c
your milk if you put. If you make
your coffee with it and dump your milk
into it. So
it's a more of a practical chunk.
The answer to the question is that is
there a per vitality for humans and it's
called improved mineral absorption,
and you can spray that
daily, you can put it on the table
with the salt and pepper. If everybody in
the house uses it once a day, you're
gonna do the same thing. Gonna uptake what
you need and get rid of what you
don't. Sure. So that's a really handy tool
for that kind of a water supply.
Very good. And we all have 1. We
all have 1.
It's always something. Yeah. Yeah. There's parts in
Nebraska that have high manganese in this guy
that called that I saw in the in
Nebraska this week when I was there. I
was telling you had a a low manganese
when he had the rivers
posted.
He has a number of dead cattle. And
he's new. He moved his call from
on Nevada up here to Nebraska What ended
up happening was,
it's scheduled for dropping like flies and not
healthy.
And it turned out that they had low
manganese and the vet
informed him that that was a side effect
of pipe
glyphosate estate. So he's looking at... How he's
gonna diminish the
nitrates and also
clean up his soil. So he's he's got
a big job ahead of him we're 1700
acres.
So we'll see. How he does, but I
did make him a detox. I do make
custom remedies for people like problems
to I am gonna add manganese to his
vitality so that he can get that deficiency
taken care of it, also the flip of
it to detox
all the herbicides and pesticides that were used
on this new land he purchased.
Sure. So... Well, that's a great. Great segue.
Can you tell me a little bit more
about the actual crop treatments and some of
the treatments that you've done for land and
and some of the results you've seen there?
Sure. I made a pro vitality product the
plant so that they would uptake
the minerals and there also... We have issues
depending on your what you see or not
see or
talk about or not? Is these... I know
a lot of questions about the Chem trials
and the amount of aluminum toxicity in the
soil?
So I added that as well as some
of the common parasites
in different parts of the country so that
I can make an anti parasitic
anti fungal,
and a pro vitality product for plants. It
can be put in the in inline water
systems and sprayed.
If you're... Like you're like you would spray
pest, you can do that with the remedy.
You can spray it right on the ground
right on the plants.
And it's highly effective. I think the place
to start with that, which is interesting is
in your garden. To see how efficient your
garden is and how much we
parasite
control that you actually get from the product
but being able to use it in the
bulk and Medicaid
large volumes of water that you spray on
your crops
is available to you. I do make that
product. That's called Plant Grove Drive.
And it's kind of a combination. Like I
said between,
the minerals,
trace
trace Minerals,
and also,
anti parasitic.
So it's bit highly effective. It works really
well on
plants where we have fungus.
So I just did
a
a small
orchard of peach trees that had fungus and
the the trunks are actually oozing and broken
and open. And we'll believe they're all curled
and
a couple of direct applications by spraying the
trees and the trees are
healthy.
The recovery. Took about 2 to 3 weeks.
And they're in good shape. The woman was,
you know, stunned
that's,
such a thing as possible. But we can
definitely spray the base of our or trees.
And I know a lot of you... Most
of you don't have trees you have
crops. So, yes, it can be sprayed, and
it can be used.
Just like you're already doing
supplements.
And,
pesticides and pest pesticides, you can use is
it in the same piece of equipment hypothetically
and go out there and spray your across.
It should be done,
and I would say monthly,
in the beginning of crops and then, quarterly
on the ground. But definitely could be detox.
I think. For if... Anybody has the herbicide
pest side
history on their ground, but adding
that,
detox
would be a good idea for or herbicides
and pest pesticides. That's not part of the
common in
pro vitality plants, but it it is available
and I'm certainly willing to do it for
you. Can you talk a little bit about,
in the first episode, you talked about seeing
signs early.
That something needs to be done. And I
think you've even mentioned it here with with
the cab that might need some help during
the birthing process if you spot those signs
early. Can you tell me about some of
that, some of the strategies that you use
to help people spot these things early so
that they can the treatment is, more effective?
I think
that all mammals give birth
and most of them efficiently, when you see
that something is stressful for your cow,
and you're needing to be out there at
to babysit,
and to assist, you should have those remedies
available to you. To actually,
hormonal
or or, you know, during the birthing process,
make it easier. And then to clean them
up after
so that we don't have discharges, you don't
want an infection. You don't want drainage,
You don't want that retain placenta. So you
can do that right while you're out there
of being of assist and you most of
the farmers I talked to are in the
ranchers are are...
They have experience. They know in some things
are on. They know and they need to
be out there. They know and they need
to
provide extra care but the remedies are facilitating
to getting that on...
Well, and the death loss should be reduced.
You can also treat the calves right there
on the way out. If they need injury
combo because you pulled them and pushed them
and tweak them and, you know, they're they're
damaged. In some way we can repair the
damage.
If they're not breathing as an example, we
can use the remedy for that to help.
We can clear the mucus
that they're breathing through in the respiratory.
So that remedy works like a million bucks.
So if you have, like I said, that
toolbox and you're out there in calvin season,
you can facilitate that and diminish that loss.
And I think, you know, once you get
a couple of those under your belt, it's,
it's amazing.
It's completely amazing.
So the remedies, like I said, done acutely
great value. You just have to have the
tool there at the time. Right?
Yep.
You talked in the first...
Having a first aid kid, I call it
as not a joke. Right.
In the first episode we did together, you
talked about
seeing animals that are acid and A. Are
there some indicators, some early warning signs when
and at? Animal is
is going towards being acid or are there
ways to see that, hey, they're coming out
of it now. They're not acid anymore?
Well, I talked to Steve about this because
I was talking to him about why his
salt works.
And why it works for pink dyer, or
why it works for our other elements that
he was medic for the cow or
you know, get making them healthy, which is
the the goal for all of us.
And I told him that the the reason
that the salt works is salt is a.
And that most of the diseases is
bacteria diseases are acid.
They occur in it a high asset environment.
Now the irony of that is that when
we talk about things like hi bricks, we're
talking about increasing the sugar.
When we increase the sugar,
and we feed corn as an example, which
is high sugar
and high carbs hypo, a high sugar products,
it creates the fat. And a fat desirable
in our meat.
We all like that tender flavorful piece of
meat. So So we our have the tendency
to think that high acid is a great
idea or has benefits for us. Without knowing
any better we're feeding
high acid to accomplish that. The more high
acid we we supplement the animals with.
The more bacterial diseases occur.
So there's a balance between
wanting that fat,
1 and and wanting your animals to be
healthy.
So when you have to go out there
and put in extra salt or your force
feeding salt to a them, you have to
be asking yourself what you did to make
them
pi acid.
Acid destructive,
only. It's hyper.
Its acid is cancer and humans.
The more sugar we eat the un more
unhealthy we are. So in your animals just
the concept,
knowing Know you're feeding things that are gonna
increase acid
you're best be paying attention to the fact
that you're gonna wanna do some prevention. You
wanna wanna get heavy on the probe vitality
so that we can keep them as balanced
is absolutely possible.
So I think just understanding that concept.
You don't want
necessarily
high asset animals.
Yes. Right. Are there signs or or things
that you can look at and see this
animal is or isn't acid or A? Is
it just
some... Usually, it's a manifestation of them not
being healthy that says there's an asset issue
here. I think I think just the... Yeah,
like I said, high you if you're seeing
high flies,
you've got unhealthy animals. Right?
So,
the parasites are probably the plate the thing
rash you out the most. L is another
example. So we're in the case of l,
L is actually the old ty fish.
And we don't talk about Ty anymore. We
don't talk about caller anymore. We don't talk
about tuberculosis and Mc mcconnell anymore. We've renamed
all those diseases.
To make us socially more comfortable
or the health department is not breathing down
our neck. So we re...
Tuberculosis has been renamed.
Or other respiratory diseases.
We renamed cholera a scour so that we
don't say call or anymore if it doesn't
exist the collar occurs when they're drinking out
of dirty water. And that... By the way,
you know, it's deadly. It creates
dehydration. They're they're they're purging,
all of their, you know, internal energy, and
you're
that's it's deadly. It's it's serious business.
So these diseases being renamed is really... In
my opinion is pretty interesting.
In the case the l it's ty and
ty comes from
our
malnutrition. So the only time we see lies
typically is zip for under feeding when there's
no
supplementation. They're eating old crap from last year,
the bottom of the barrel,
and the animals are for are compromised.
So when we get them out of that
state when you use that life remedy, you're
trading around nutrition. And that's why it works.
So if we can,
find out, your finances is enough to supplement
in a long winter, you shouldn't add wise.
Yep.
So... And and that that talking about being
acidic. Acidic is always destructive. So there's a
consequence for that. And you've mentioned a few
times about da and different
situations that you've seen in Da,
dairy can be a fairly challenging environment. I
think, because of the fact that a lot
of those da are fairly
just confined and they're, you know, not out
on green grass, not in the sunlight not
getting exposed to some of those things that
can help with health. So,
could you share some stories and some things
that you've seen on da as far as
the effectiveness
of these homeopathic remedies, you know, related to
things like cow life,
somatic cell count, pounds of milk produced, the
breed up,
butter fat increases, lowering costs. Can you talk
to me about some of the things that
you've seen happen on da as a result
of these remedies?
Sure. I think the really important concept with
home is different than drugs.
Drugs for something abnormal to happen.
The drug forces the body
to do something it would normally do.
So in the case of a remedy,
we can't increase
normal milk supply.
We can make it normal so it's adequate
and that it's... And that it's healthy, but
I can't make it produce
same thing would be with hormones is that
if you're gonna force
the animal to come into heat is an
example for breeding. If you enhance what's normal,
their crew already. If you enhance
health, you don't have a high cement count.
And remedies cannot force something abnormal to take
place.
Another example of that is that we can't
cause an abortion.
So in medicine, we can do that. We
can give chemicals to kill a the baby.
We can cut the baby out. Right? We
do something that's terribly abnormal.
In remedies, we can't, I can't create birth
control with a remedy because that breaks a
bodily function. I wanna enhance bodily function. I
want it to be the best it can
be. I want it to be healthy.
So if we can't break something or force
it to do an abnormal
function. In der, they're using steroids,
hormones,
and daily antibiotics in the
because they're trying to enhance milk production and
because their environment is unhealthy, they have to
treat for
bacteria all the time. Right? So that submitted
count is is
in a what they consider to be an
acceptable range. The amount of blood in the
milk is in an acceptable range. But the
proof is that when the cows are born
or the caps are born,
in very short period of time. They're given
a ration of milk
that's, you know,
without the c in most cases. But what
happens is that they're born sick. So they
have salmonella in no time at all within
a few days a week, Now we're medic
them additionally
to what's already in the mouth that they're
being fed, which is what... By the way,
is what's called
for being dirty.
So if it doesn't, if it's got a
high semitic count, that's the tank that they're
putting the milk in that they're feeding the
babies. I it's really like an oxy mall.
There's nothing
nothing right or normal about what they're doing.
But because I can't over produce the milk.
I can't get 3 gallons instead of 2
gallons,
they're not interested because they don't wanna take
that cut in their in their income.
But the the joke about that is that
the short lives of those
cows is amazing that they don't factor that
in, plus the cost of the ration, the
cost of the vet on, you know, on
demand. That most of them have those big
operations have a vet employed, you know, on
the premises.
We're constantly treating disease.
The fact that they allow that step in
our milk is pretty scary. I think the
other thing that you're really significant about looking
at those operations is most of the families
because I treat the families too. So most
of the families won't consume their own milk
product.
They don't want anything to do with it.
It's yucky.
Yeah. I mean, it's yucky or truthfully.
So that should be a clue.
But all I can do for da is
make the cattle or the cows healthy and
the babies, the calves that way too. So
I can use the same remedies I'm using
on on your group of, you know, the
outdoor cattle. To be the best they can
be. The difference really is that we can
on spray them on the volvo. They're all
lined up. Most of them have
tags and they're they're monitoring each and every
cows production.
They can see the signs if they have
discharges and if they're sn. Again if they
I don't usually see things like pink eye
and dairy cattle.
On what we can do wealth prevention, and
we can do treatment, but we're doing it
in the natural market.
And I think the natural market or organic
milk market is highly discouraged
because if they don't have enough volume to
for the truck to come out and get
it, They mix that milk with regular milk,
and they're not being paid
or for a claim product. They're not... They're
they're not making an enhanced amount of money.
The produce or they borrower is, but they're
not as farmers.
So that's very discouraging, I think in our
milk community.
That they are challenged. In the in the
honorable
areas like in Minnesota where there's... They're mass
producing
organic milk. They have a good market. They
make a little more money. They do a
really good job. They're... You know, they have
a lot of pride and what they're doing.
And I can... I'm effective there.
But the mass market... Who,
well confinement facilities with a thousand animals or
more that's... That they don't really wanna talk
to me
because they normal... They don't want normal.
Yeah. For sure.
So kinda
bringing this back full circle to where we
started and and kinda wrapping up what where
we where we started out is
so let's say we're gonna take this approach.
We're gonna we're gonna start with the immune
detox, then we're gonna move on to the
immune immune boost. And then we're gonna move
on to the pro vitality.
How much would this
prevention cost?
The first year on a 100 head herd
of cattle.
You know what? I've never really looked at
that number. I could probably guess.
That if we bought,
I'm, 6
bottles
of
8 ounce product to do,
a hundred cattle for a year, which that
should accomplish that.
You're looking at 200 times the bottles is
1600 bucks.
If you bought a set of remedies so
you had them on hand, you're talking
2400.
So about 2400 dollars.
Should be able to do that herd for
anything and everything that comes up. By the
way, the remedies never go back, So if
you have a remedy year after year after
year as long as the bottle secure,
you can use that remedy, you know, I
was needed.
So,
if you
are looking at medic an animal, you're talking
for a couple of
pennies a dose,
So you could probably medicaid a sick animals
for a quarter.
You got the remedy to him, you know,
a dozen times over that period like you
might need to do with something like pneumonia.
If you're doing prevention pretty inexpensive, a less
than a penny of dose to medicate the
salt.
You can medicate, I think a thousand pounds
of salt with that half a gallon in
of water,
that you just put half a
ounce of the remedy in, which is 17
bucks. Mh. So it's 17 bucks for a
thousand pounds of salt. Oh, very good. Very
again, practical, helpful. Anything, other questions that came
up on your end that you heard that
you wanted to address. I think we've kind
of addressed the ones that I had on
my end.
I think it's a value.
And, you know, when people call me they
call me for solutions for ailments,
like Pink Eye. And I think,
that on the piece that I missed that's
really important, I'll repeat you is that you
gotta clean up your herd, it makes a
huge difference. If we're doing immune detox and
an immune boost,
and you're doing a regular dose vitality, the
amount of things that you have to mitigate
will diminish year after year. The herd get
better and better and better.
There's some really nice live,
referrals or testimonials on my website. And those
are worth listening to to listen to the
other ranchers.
And see what they think. But I think
when I have these meetings, like, I'll be
in
North Dakota on 23
August, teaching an animal class is the more
they use it the better it gets and
the easier it gets, and that's what you're
telling you. When these guys come to participate
in those classes, that's what you get to
hear.
Yeah. Is that they're happy with it that
they're getting results,
I rarely hear otherwise.
And I'm trying to be here,
to
to do private consults are the problem of
and the when you call there knows where
I am all the time On I'm on
the go.
So if you have a problem I'd like
to be here for you. I think the
amount of questions I got this last time.
Office are requiring this amount of labor to
tell them how to start or do what
we've covered in this class or this this
podcast
it's gonna be, you know, really
relief that they have a plan and they
know we're at a start.
And,
I'm surely here to help in the office
too.
To make sure they get what they need
and
give them options. I'd like to hear more
back and maybe talk directly to Steve about
what he's doing with that brine water to
answer that more directly,
whether or not they have other water sources
and how much water he's imp them to
Medicate.
With that t bag. I think I could
address that better. So I'll, I'll be happy
to follow that up. Sure. Yep.
Sounds good. Ellen, I really appreciate your time
today. Again, very helpful, practical and informative,
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Yes, sir, And thank you again for the
opportunity. I love the healthy animals.
I think that the fact that we could
sell a product.
That's this high quality.
Yeah,
with pride and honor is an amazing, I'm
happy to facilitate that every way. Very good
stuff there. I really appreciate the practical way
that she ran through that, kinda start to
finish approach and then given us some ideas
about what we can keep, kinda in our
toolbox in the pickup as we're around and
when we see things that need attention have
them available for
that very much looking forward to next week's
episode of the Working house podcast. We're gonna
be talking to Dallas Mount from ranch management
consultants.
He has been in the driver's seat there
owning that business for a few years now
and has had an opportunity to see
you know, the difference that his decisions and
the way that he thinks about business
are making differences in the business, and I
wanted to talk to him, you know, he's
been teaching these these...
He's been teaching ranchers to
see their
operations as a business first,
for all these years, and now he's been
running that business, and I wanted to see,
what are some of the things that have
been useful to him as a business owner?
What are some of the concepts,
phrases,
ideas,
just frameworks, ways of thinking about things that
have been help helpful to him as a
business owner. And so we'll be talking to
him, About that next week on the Working
cows podcast, we'll see you again real soon
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