00:00:11:14 - 00:00:41:22 Unknown I am Catherine and I'm Gail. And welcome to women over 70. Aging reimagined, our award winning weekly podcast. Now in its sixth year, visit women over 70.com to explore our offerings and join the Aging Reimagined Circle, our free online community where women of all ages connect, share and re-imagine aging as a time of creativity, growth, and empowerment. We're glad you're here today. 00:00:41:24 - 00:01:12:02 Unknown Today's guest is Deborah Morrison. She's an advocate for women aging. Deborah is a financial and leadership coach and founder of Women Navigating Finances, LLC. With over 40 years in financial planning and asset management. Deborah helps women build confidence, create intentional wealth, and step into the true financial freedom. As a transformational keynote speaker. Deborah's no. Known for breaking down finances into everyday language with humor and relatable stories. 00:01:12:04 - 00:01:44:17 Unknown She's also the visionary behind the We Can Do It women movement and host of the podcast that inspires women to stop playing small and start living fully in the spotlight of their lives. Deborah is also a three time bestselling author with titles including My Husband Died Now What and Common Sense Money Guide for Women Beyond Money. Deborah is a certified heartbreak to happiness grief coach, whose compassionate approach to healing has even been recognized by time magazine. 00:01:44:19 - 00:02:11:01 Unknown So welcome, Deborah, as our advocate for women aging. You know, we met you through your podcast and we were pleased to be your guest. So we're very happy to have you with us today. So let's start with some very curious, curious about you grew up in a farm, and you, have indicated that it was great. Being raised on a farm influenced your mindset about finances. 00:02:11:03 - 00:02:32:20 Unknown So can you tell us a bit about that? And then what? How did you I assume you made a shift start? What was the shift that you that you made? Exactly. Well, thanks so much, Catherine, and it's a pleasure to be with you. I was raised on a little 100 acre beef cattle farm, and it was amazing in so much as we, matured very swiftly. 00:02:32:22 - 00:02:56:23 Unknown So the childhood that we had, I mean, I had, like, one friend who was like our neighbor, and we were so rural, we didn't have any people that lived near us. So you're always dealing with responsibility, that, you know, the later years and so forth. And, and in the season, you'd be, you'd be, pulling out, 80 bushel of wheat for Jim, who's going to come at 6:00 tonight and you'd be bagging it and putting Jim's name on it. 00:02:57:03 - 00:03:16:14 Unknown I mean, things that like other kids, like, you know, 7 or 8 years old, did not do. So there was a sense by which we could. And my father expected us to just do things like maybe, maybe we would see him do it once, maybe not. Just go ahead and do it right. So, it it it was frightening in one sense. 00:03:16:14 - 00:03:35:23 Unknown And yet it was challenging in the other. And I am grateful for the work ethic. No one needs to talk to me about working. And yet, what I found is life on the farm really necessitated, Catherine and Gail always having a plan A, B, C, and D, right? You might have thought you were going to do something. 00:03:35:23 - 00:03:55:02 Unknown You look up in the sky and the clouds are forming, and you've got, you know, two acres of hay down and it will not bring the same price after as wet that it will when it's not. And two people get on to tractors whole, you know, with wagons behind it in third or fourth gear and one person is hooking the bales and building the load while the other person is driving the train. 00:03:55:02 - 00:04:15:12 Unknown I mean, it was that crazy. And and we did it. And so I'm always an advocate of finding a way, you know, in this, add water and stir society. It's kind of like we have one idea and that doesn't work. You know, we're kind of stymied. And I'm not stymied. I love options, I create options. That's far one of my genius, I think, outside the box. 00:04:15:12 - 00:04:43:00 Unknown And there's always a way. And so that really influenced my character, my, essence, if you will. And money was pretty, we didn't have a lot of money. We ate well, we ate well. We had our own eggs, we had our own beef, we had our pork and so forth. And yet this aspect of finances was really brought in by my mom's dad, who was a stock market investor during the Great Depression. 00:04:43:01 - 00:05:09:07 Unknown So his daughter, my aunt, took us kids from the farm, which was a rare occasion, to the New York Stock Exchange. Oh, and I was my nose was against the plexiglass, I tell you. I was so mesmerized by all of that fist pumping and the shouting and the lights flashing and the paper tickets in the day up to their calves and, and and I had to be really dragged away. 00:05:09:09 - 00:05:33:00 Unknown And I had never seen anything like that. And I said to myself as I was leaving, I'm going to be part of that energy somewhere, that I didn't see a young girl down there on the floor. Heck no. It was all white men. But I said, there's an energy there that is enlivening and I resonate towards that. And ever since then I talked about money as energy. 00:05:33:02 - 00:05:34:20 Unknown Wow. How old were you at the time? 00:05:34:22 - 00:05:36:04 Unknown Eight years old. 00:05:36:06 - 00:05:49:20 Unknown and I also no work on the farm was kind of hard, and I that boy, I got a I got a jet as an out of here. I wanted to make money. Right. And I need to, And so I always had that vision of escaping that really, you know, not so socialized. 00:05:49:20 - 00:05:56:21 Unknown I mean, it was a culture at all other than farm culture. And, you know, you can get that after 16 years. You don't need it. Further, as you look 00:05:56:23 - 00:06:06:07 Unknown So you you left the farm, I take it. Yes I do, yeah. And and where did you go? Well I went far enough away to college. 00:06:06:07 - 00:06:27:08 Unknown So I was Harrisburg from western Pennsylvania on the higher border because I didn't really want to have to go back on the weekends like obligatory visits. Right. I just want to really situate myself. So I went there and then after college, I moved to new Jersey. So I just kept moving east. And, I'm now in new Jersey, North New Jersey and, and loving new Jersey and loving the proximity to Manhattan. 00:06:27:08 - 00:06:50:05 Unknown I mean, I have an insatiable curiosity. And so you can imagine, the amount of culture that I have in my fingertips is, is just how I make it. Right. But I can I can agree with that, that's for sure. Yeah, but you're talking to a farm girl and a New Yorker or somebody who's identifies with New York. 00:06:50:05 - 00:07:21:03 Unknown Anyway, although you're Chicago all the time. Yes, yes. But. So there we went. Tell us about the women. We can do it. Movement. Right. Well, it's exactly we can do it. Women movement. And it is I started in 2020 with you. Right. Yeah. We can do it. Women movement. And I started it in, 2022. And I had practiced, 42 years as a certified financial planner and asset manager for high net worth clients and I, and it was child labor hooks. 00:07:21:05 - 00:07:48:17 Unknown But after I practiced for 42 years, I chose to sell my practice in 2020. And then I transitioned into coaching mature women, which I defined as 60 and wiser. And I was very intent on up leveling women's confidence around our money because, it had not been good socialization. And we'll get into that in a minute. But the fact is, I was so much a cheerleader for my clients. 00:07:48:19 - 00:08:11:23 Unknown For sure they would come in from various backgrounds, do it yourself. And then they decided, oh boy, I better have a professional look at this, specially at my masters. This in retirement planning. Boy, that was my that was my lane. Right. And so I would get clients in their late 50s, late 60s. And in every case the woman did not hold an equal, you know, footing in typically heterosexual, but not always. 00:08:11:23 - 00:08:29:00 Unknown I had some same sex, but women just did not have the same footing and with a confidence. And so of course, in dealing with me, they then they, they birth that and, and we and we and we cultured that and so forth. But the, the we can do it. Women movement was one that I decided, you know what? 00:08:29:02 - 00:08:53:03 Unknown I'm going to put this out there, an open invitation. I'll be the I'll be the leader, I'll be the coach, I'll be the facilitator. Whatever. And I don't always lead. We step back. Everyone does their thing. And yet this we can do it. Women movement was, I, genesis from society pretty much pushing. And we all know this pushing older women to the sidelines like, okay, we're done with you. 00:08:53:04 - 00:09:15:18 Unknown You know, you birthed your kids or you had your career, or maybe you did both. And and we're it's kind of like, okay, we're bringing up the younger, younger ones. And that is an anathema because of the wisdom of mature women. And I want to provide safe space, non-judgmental space for women to come from every stripe, every, you know, facet of life and imagine. 00:09:15:20 - 00:09:39:19 Unknown And I'm going to tease it out of women. What is it that's still a little ember? That if we just fanned that ember, it will develop into something. And you can go ahead and and not only say, try your hand, but go ahead and proceed with the next thing, no matter. There's uncertainty. Go ahead and fulfill yourself because you will not be happy with yourself if you don't. 00:09:39:21 - 00:10:01:08 Unknown That's that's why people say on their deathbed, not like I wish I would have beaten the standard and pour more quarters now. No, heck no. I wish I would have like samples. Oh, it just can give us a couple of examples. I'm sure you can give us hundreds, thousands. But yeah, well, women reinvent themselves. I mean, you do are prime examples, but women have been in corporate or something and have gone out and become entrepreneurial. 00:10:01:09 - 00:10:26:06 Unknown They had an idea they they launched a business they thought it would be start, you know, really small and and loan went viral. Women who had taught all their life had, developed clients and so forth that they then, made little tutoring businesses, right? Women who wanted some extra money to travel because they had a pension for travel, but they didn't have that extra money. 00:10:26:11 - 00:10:48:05 Unknown And then they went out and did dog walking for six months or something. I drove Uber Saturdays and Sundays, and they got the money and they got on the plane and they went to Rome and they went to France and they went to, Republic of Check, and they went to South America. And they had those amazing, these kind of steps stepping out, if you will, and coming home to ourselves. 00:10:48:05 - 00:11:16:13 Unknown What is going to light us up? Because I want us to live until we die. I don't want to. I don't want my obituary to see, Deborah died at 69. Buried at 82. No no no no. Right. That's right. So, Deborah, this is so you're you are clearly a money expert, and you're you're unique. I don't know if you're unique, but you clearly care about women's overall well-being. 00:11:16:15 - 00:11:37:04 Unknown And can you say a little more about that and then tell us also about heartbreak to happiness? Grief coach? Yes, indeed. Well, see, the socialization for women in the United States, was very, very poor for mature women is like, don't worry, your little head over that. Betty Bob will handle it. Well, great. If Bob doesn't die before you or come home one day and trade you in for two 30s. 00:11:37:06 - 00:12:06:03 Unknown And so I, I delivered a Ted talk on this very thing such that I'm. I'm kind of metaphorically open, mature women's heads, pull that crap out and put something empowering in, like, you can do this, you can become an art teacher. You can become a painter, you can become a world traveler. You whatever. So the dismissiveness of the socialization is something that we really need to face head on and eradicate and put that behind us. 00:12:06:03 - 00:12:30:04 Unknown Any shame we had about a miss that put it behind us because that was yesterday. Hey, it's a present. We need to open it like that because it's it's nonsensical and a colossal waste of time and energy to wish for a better yesterday or to fly ourselves because we made a misstep yesterday. Who wouldn't make a misstep in an area as vast as finance if you weren't taught? 00:12:30:06 - 00:12:47:02 Unknown And with the plethora of information out there, women have this tendency and they've internalized this well, as on generation out there, I should really know. No, I don't I really don't know what I'm doing. So how could I do something? And then they venture out and they do something. And then because they don't know when to sell, they sell exactly. 00:12:47:02 - 00:13:08:14 Unknown When the veins are popping. The market is crashing and now they lock in a loss and it's downhill from there. They don't do anything else because they're paralyzed and they think they've gone, okay. When they come to me and they say, I didn't do anything since and well, the lost a whole lot of opportunity. They so this is about reframing our mindset around money and opportunity costs. 00:13:08:19 - 00:13:38:23 Unknown And so I'm really a proponent of defining wealth in five categories. Catherine and Gayle. Wealth. Wealth is physical. It's mental. It's relational. It's spiritual. And it's greenbacks. And I say greenbacks last because when you say wealth, everybody says, how much is enough? And I can tell you from personal experience, I think the, power of attorney for, I think, 12 clients over. 00:13:39:00 - 00:14:04:20 Unknown I've been the executor for ten estate no. One and their death, their bed, you know, with groups of zeros. It's not going to work if you're not mobile, if you're not mentally acute, if you're not relational, if you don't have something that grounds you. This is less important. I had clients with $25 million. I was managing for them, and then I had clients with 400,000. 00:14:04:22 - 00:14:29:10 Unknown And these people made it. They had some pensions. Yeah, but don't talk to me about what's my number. The the the number of your goals. And your next chapter is largely dependent upon what is your burn rate, what are your expenses. And when I invite people to write that down, a I hate budgeting. Well, how about this? How about if I imagine that you by doing the budgeting, are now sliding over? 00:14:29:10 - 00:14:53:04 Unknown Now I'm talking about bench seats in the car, sliding over behind the driver's wheel. Is that empowering? Now we actually direct our money because when we see that money that's gone out of our household or our bank account or checking accounts and stuff that doesn't support our life values at all, we can actually truncate that shift, pivot and put our money where our values is. 00:14:53:04 - 00:15:15:17 Unknown And to me, that's power. So I don't want us to get into this whining and asking, right? Let's take full responsibility as mature women face radically forward learning whatever lessons from the past, or face radically forward and say, if we know if we know what our next steps are, great, and if we don't seek out a good fiduciary financial plan. 00:15:15:17 - 00:15:36:11 Unknown I don't sell any products or any commissions, any kickbacks, any fee, any, you know, referral fees, just what's between their ears. And they've been educated on all of the areas of financial planning. And now as a fiduciary coach, I do the same thing. I, I don't there's no commission for me. I'm dealing with when I had clients, 34 clients, 34 agendas. 00:15:36:13 - 00:16:01:22 Unknown And so it's about us being in relationship with our money so that we can look at this as a tool. More of this gives us more options. You know, I get I can I can I listen to one of your Ted to our Ted talk and, and I can see you on the stage. I can see you being a motivational speaker. 00:16:01:24 - 00:16:27:20 Unknown I can see you, being a, direct coach to other financial fiduciaries. What do you like when you when you're, interacting with one client? Are you this direct? How are you? How do you approach? Yeah. I'm, I'm much more listening than talking, and I'm very, very demure. I'm I'm I'm I'm listening to. What is it? 00:16:27:22 - 00:16:55:07 Unknown You know. So how how have you done it before? How's that work? Believe me, they're going to come say I made a huge mistake. And so I'm I'm. I'm a no judgment zone, and that's hard to find. The women have been judge and judge and judge. I mentioned judge. And this is really high time for there to be safe spaces and for many of us to create, as you're doing right here, creating safe spaces for women to opine and to emote. 00:16:55:09 - 00:17:18:05 Unknown And so, my book, my Husband died. Now what? And I should have had it right at my fingertips. Just brought it out the second edition. And they wrote a, an accounting journal this time. I am talking about coming into a no judgment zone because there's no time anymore for judgment. You made a misstep, but missteps, keynotes, still moving. 00:17:18:05 - 00:17:37:22 Unknown You see people coming into my office all the times that I made a horrible mistake. Right. Well, steak is like metal in the ground or be there for a long time. I say, okay, so you made a misstep because that connotes that we're still moving. You can keep you can get right back on the track. Right. And so I want to add one completely. 00:17:37:24 - 00:17:58:11 Unknown Like, engaged in the past experiences because that kind of shapes, you know, that kind of tells me might I have an idea when I see their investment portfolio, I get pretty much back into what what they've been through. Right? We all have these things in our profession. And so I am very much attuned to what is it that you, want to achieve? 00:17:58:11 - 00:18:15:15 Unknown And I and I, and I attempt to tease out, what are we what do we want to do with this where everybody's trying to increase this? What are we doing with this? Because as soon as you have a lakehouse in your mind or around the trip, you know, around the world trip or, you know, contributing to your grandkids education or whatever floats your boat. 00:18:15:17 - 00:18:32:08 Unknown As soon as you have that, then you are not. No, you are not going to succumb to pushing Amazon or whatever other retailer and getting a product delivered, you know, to a locker two miles down the road in 16 minutes, you are not because you're like, oh, wait a minute, wait a minute. No, no, I want to go to Hawaii, you see. 00:18:32:10 - 00:18:56:02 Unknown And so it's it's focusing in and teasing out what it is that is still undone, that you have a passion for doing and you want to pull off. And now that shapes how we look at the investment portfolio that you have. Ascertain what is contributing to that, what is a deadweight and needs to be exercised, the identifying the weak links. 00:18:56:06 - 00:19:15:15 Unknown And so I'll do all that. Now I'm going to I'm not going to manage the money anymore. I've retired from that and I'll, I'll walk that person through and have a couple of phone interviews with that person and their perspective. Fill in the planner. Yes, I will, and I'll represent that person to the planner so that there's an easy bridge and there's a level of communication that's absolutely paved. 00:19:15:19 - 00:19:34:15 Unknown And they go into that planner's office, and now the planner is able just to run like lightning to do what needs to be done. Believe me, in practice, I did all that. I did all the teasing out another behavioral finance. And then I ran the money and it was a big job. Boy, I would have given my right arm for someone to do what I'm doing ahead of time, and then I take the client on. 00:19:34:18 - 00:19:56:24 Unknown Aside from the fact that you get to know the client during that, you know, teasing out experience. So I do that. And, the people, I mean, often I have a coaching call and, I nine times out of ten, we finish the call and the person says, we we didn't talk about money at all. 00:19:57:01 - 00:20:27:21 Unknown So, you know, you mentioned that spiritual as one of the elements, dimensions and, and you've talked about values. So is where does the spiritual aspect of this live in the. Well, I believe that money is energy is I do care. Then I, I am aligned with, the fact that most ministries, if you will, most outreaches to people or animals or whatever in need, rely on money. 00:20:27:23 - 00:20:49:04 Unknown And so if we can funnel extra money to the causes that we're passionate about, one is doing them great. Good. Two, it's a tax deduction. Three it makes us feel great. And I should probably put that in reverse order. That makes us feel great. And so we're contributing to the solution, not getting enmeshed in the in the in the pain and the and the problem. 00:20:49:06 - 00:21:09:05 Unknown And so the spiritual aspect is I really feel that, you know, 2007, 2008 Great Recession hit the whole thing hurt banks stop lending the flow of money. Stop. And I'm not interested in that ever happening with our money. As women, I want the flow to continue. If blood stops coursing through our veins, or if we got a clot from. 00:21:09:07 - 00:21:41:09 Unknown And so if we if we if we just hold on to our money and we're afraid to invest it or spend it, it's not a good thing. Because when you have the spiritual grounding that whatever you have and whatever is in your future monetarily is largely dictated by our mindsets, we deserve it. Yes we do. We are enough, and we deserve to charge whatever we are worth and probably if you're not charging enough and so many women aren't, you want to ask a bevy of your female friends and maybe a male friend or two to say, what do you think? 00:21:41:09 - 00:22:01:18 Unknown What do you think about my my the price point on this packaging? What do you think I'm giving this away? Because most likely, I mean, I was in an advanced master's degree, coaching with, Dan Sullivan, a strategic coach, and he says, everybody here, everybody here, and double your prices. Women five times your price. And it was right. 00:22:01:18 - 00:22:28:00 Unknown I mean, that man is brilliant. And so I'm very conscious of the spiritual aspect of money because I feel very much that, I mean, I follow, you know, I mean, I, I was raised Christian. I, Jesus was the, the in the flesh example, and he gave the money and enriched the people without he he didn't use his power, which would otherwise be dictated by money. 00:22:28:00 - 00:22:54:06 Unknown Over. He used his power with. And so I think if we can expand, the reach of our individual networks and our cash flow, it will impact people in a way that will be absolutely life changing. And, and and so I've done fundraisers for people. I mean, I was the major, fundraiser for, Women's Fund of New Jersey for like, three years in a row back in the 80s. 00:22:54:08 - 00:23:15:04 Unknown And, and, and we'd get to the, the, the, the theme of what Women's Fund was doing and it was it was an umbrella organization, and then it was giving money to various women's groups, battered women, you know, women for whom English is Second Life. Every single kind of woman that needed the money. And, they weren't raising so much money. 00:23:15:04 - 00:23:38:21 Unknown And I said, can I do the the ask? And my difference is, you know, so I brought up a homeless woman. I brought up a woman that was battered and had two kids, and they told the story, I wasn't a dry eye in the place. Yeah. And I thanked them and I hugged them and said, now? And everybody's reaching in their purse for their for their checkbooks. 00:23:38:21 - 00:24:13:03 Unknown And I said, now I'm just going to invite a number of you to add a zero to what you were going to give that day. We had ten, three, $10,000 checks. Oh, nice. Because people could see the effect of their money. And this is valuable. This is this is, response. Right? We talk about responsibility in life, and I take responsibility for raising a farm very seriously. 00:24:13:03 - 00:24:29:03 Unknown I mean, we were the purveyor of little animals. I mean, we were pulling them out of the wombs in some cases. And I've done it all. Every single animal I birth help birth and and then we're caring for them, and we're feeding little piglets with an eye dropper in the in the oven. Right. They were nothing without us. 00:24:29:05 - 00:24:52:22 Unknown And so if we can see some response to our giving, it cements in us the beauty of being spiritually grounded and being able to lay your head in the pillow at night and say, I'm grateful that I have the wealth to share and to make a difference. Because if I'm not a needle mover in a day, it's not been the greatest day. 00:24:52:24 - 00:25:29:02 Unknown I'm interested in being a needle mover, and to the extent I can help people move their financial needles to match their goals and their souls, calling, or give it to people with less, that's been a good day. I have one question for you. The the, we know that that, women are living longer. Absolutely. And so from retirement or from, you know, an older age to, and, and even older age, they need money to limit. 00:25:29:04 - 00:25:56:08 Unknown Yeah. And so they're not working anymore. They're not earning money anymore. What what advice do you have for maintaining your lifestyle as you age? Perfect. Gail, I, I'm actually going to give a course here in another, probably month, because women do live longer actuarially. And, you know, it's here's this, that the longer you live, the more likelihood of a light, a longer life. 00:25:56:08 - 00:26:18:14 Unknown Right. And so women are living longer. We need more assets to carry us through. And now with tariffs going to be, what, $2,400 per family more just to buy the same thing and then increase inflation because of the tariffs and other things and the government debt and so forth, we're going to need to be much more knowledgeable about managing risk. 00:26:18:16 - 00:26:36:16 Unknown Because we cannot simply invest in assets at the bank in the certificates of depreciation. Because if the banker said to us, you know, Catherine, thank you for giving me that $10,000 and they're going to greet you with a big ear to ear smile when you take your $10,000 in and you're going to get maybe for 4.5% there. 00:26:36:16 - 00:26:56:23 Unknown If they said to you, Catherine, I will guarantee you, because that is music to women's ears. Guarantees safe. I will guarantee you this principle will never go up. I swear to God you would. You would take that money back because you would remember you just drove from the grocery or the restaurant, and the prices were 10% higher than they were last year. 00:26:57:00 - 00:27:18:12 Unknown But they don't say that. They say it's guaranteed to be safe. Great. If we had no inflation and no income taxes, that might be an okay place to part of something for three months. But it's not. And so when women continue to define safe as principal guarantee, then we're not going to do, be able to fund our longer life. 00:27:18:13 - 00:27:46:14 Unknown And it's not hard. So I make, analogies all day long about spices and swirls. I just invite anybody listening to to tune in. I will make understanding risk. Absolutely perfectly clear. And you'll be able to dip your toe in one one investment at a time. And when you see that compounding, you will believe. So what? Where, when is this going to happen? 00:27:46:14 - 00:28:04:16 Unknown And how can we let our, listeners know about it? Because I am risk averse. I have like, no, I am totally risk averse. That's all I want it. Yes, exactly. Well, you're the you're the same guy because you're smart and you'll get it right away. So the issue is, I don't have a date for it, but go to, 00:28:04:18 - 00:28:07:14 Unknown We can do it. Women.com. That's my website, 00:28:07:16 - 00:28:16:07 Unknown So, so in the few minutes we have left, how do you, feel or think or navigate your own aging process? 00:28:16:09 - 00:28:22:15 Unknown Well, I do it one day at a time. I'm probably, you know, more fit than some. 00:28:22:15 - 00:28:34:14 Unknown And I am intending to stay fit. I mean, I climbed Mount Kilimanjaro in, crested it in 2019. That was only, you know, a few years ago. I am very interested in, not being, 00:28:34:17 - 00:28:43:14 Unknown limited, like. I mean, my parents, both. Dad, now, my, you know, my mom, I'll end up in a wheelchair and so forth, and, and I said to myself, you know, and at this moment, I'll make a response. 00:28:43:17 - 00:29:00:07 Unknown I have to have someone else behind me to push me. Right. And so I'm doing everything I can now. I just had a health scare. I mean, I kind of, you know, a little sloppy about, not my eating. I'm not that bad about eating. But I wasn't taking my vitamins and minerals. And I went to my natural path, and she said, you know, ever. 00:29:00:09 - 00:29:16:24 Unknown Because they do have to have a hip replacement. That that's from a fall I did 40 years ago. And she says, you are not going to go into surgery until you come back to me and you're in better shape, because if you went under surgery now, you could be sepsis. As shocked me silly shocked me silly. 00:29:17:01 - 00:29:40:11 Unknown So I did immediate a liver cleanse and and a whole bunch of fiber things. And I'm right back onto my vitamins and macro routine and I'm feeling, you know, 150% better. So, you know, pay attention. We need to pay attention to ourselves and and do the self-care. Yes, it's worth it. We are worth self-care. And we must do that because you do not run your car without putting gasoline in it. 00:29:40:17 - 00:29:46:14 Unknown And attending to the oil and the brakes and the tires and everything else. And how do we think we're going to run our bodies 00:29:46:19 - 00:30:02:21 Unknown absent caring for them and expect them to last the long haul? We can't. So let's get real about it. Let's put the attention and intention to ourselves. Because once we fill our own cup up and it goes to overflowing, that's it's from the saucer that we give. 00:30:03:01 - 00:30:06:16 Unknown And unless we do our own cup, fill our own cup up, 00:30:06:18 - 00:30:08:19 Unknown going to be running on empty. And that's not a good feeling, 00:30:08:24 - 00:30:12:07 Unknown Love your metaphor. An analogy. This is correct. 00:30:12:09 - 00:30:21:11 Unknown I was I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for that ability to, to just deal about it. That's wonderful. Well, Deborah, thank you so much for being with us. 00:30:21:11 - 00:30:43:21 Unknown This has been enlightening and inspiring. And, I'm going to spend a lot of time on your website, and I appreciate you, both of you, and the work you're doing. I, I think it's exemplary. And I pushed a couple people over and said, hey, Mont, you guys get over it. Thanks so much, Deborah. It was great. And thanks for listening. 00:30:43:21 - 00:31:13:12 Unknown To women. Over 70 year loyalty helps our community thrive, and we invite you to get more involved in the aging, reimagined circle and your voice as we challenge myths and create bold new narratives about women aging. Visit women over 70.com and you'll learn more. 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