00:00:11:14 - 00:00:31:05 Unknown Hi, I'm Catherine and I'm Gail. And welcome to women over 70. Aging reimagined. Our award winning weekly podcast. There's eight women over 70 that come and learn how you mainly come engage with our community through our aging Reimagined circle. We hope to see you at our next online monthly program. 00:00:31:05 - 00:00:33:21 Unknown And today we'd like to thank Women's Connection. 00:00:33:21 - 00:00:38:09 Unknown Women's connection is a nonprofit group with chapters around the country. 00:00:38:11 - 00:00:51:10 Unknown Members are vibrant, accomplished women aged 50 and forward who connect around common interests, empower each other to thrive and stick together as they travel through the stuff of life, no matter what comes their way. 00:00:51:10 - 00:00:53:14 Unknown Women connecting.org. 00:00:53:14 - 00:01:03:12 Unknown And today, we're really excited to be talking with Karen Gershwin's Age 73. She's a New York City native and she's a travel writer and travel photographer. 00:01:03:12 - 00:01:22:14 Unknown And all around, I quote, travel addict who doesn't want treatment. So Karen has traveled to 100 countries, many of them numerous times. Her first two travel books, Travel Mania and Wanderlust. Explore, as she says, how travel has changed my beliefs and life direction. 00:01:22:14 - 00:01:27:08 Unknown Parents working on a third travel book about how and why to travel as a senior. 00:01:27:10 - 00:01:32:05 Unknown And she's offering the message that senior travel is doable and fun. 00:01:32:05 - 00:01:45:08 Unknown While travel is Karen's fourth career. She switched from ceramics to marketing research and then to marketing strategy. And she's just returned from a trip to Taiwan with her teenage nephew. 00:01:45:08 - 00:01:53:09 Unknown So welcome Karen to women over 70 aged me. Imagined. Okay, you and I have the wanderlust, as do many of our our listeners. 00:01:53:09 - 00:02:00:15 Unknown So we're really eager here to hear about your adventures and your your insights. Thank you for having me. I'm delighted to be here. 00:02:00:15 - 00:02:13:17 Unknown You've been traveling often alone since your first trip to Europe when you were only 17. So can you give us some background about how, how and why did travel become such a strong passion of yours? 00:02:13:17 - 00:02:24:24 Unknown well, to be honest, I left New York at age 17. I, I was, you know, a Boomer kid, and they were trying to get us through the school system. So I graduated high school at 15. 00:02:24:24 - 00:02:28:07 Unknown Went to college for a year and realized I was way too young 00:02:28:07 - 00:02:30:21 Unknown it's a very long story, but it was just a mistake. 00:02:30:21 - 00:02:42:09 Unknown So I decided that I need a New York was a tough place to be, and I was going to school at Pratt, which is in the middle of Bedford-Stuyvesant, which at the time was a very, very rough neighborhood. 00:02:42:09 - 00:02:46:03 Unknown And I decided I wanted to go as far away as I could. 00:02:46:03 - 00:02:49:07 Unknown but it had to be somewhere my parents would actually let me go. 00:02:49:09 - 00:03:10:20 Unknown So I ended up in the Netherlands because had been doing some business there, and they knew it. I was there for about two months, decided it was not for me, not the Netherlands, which I love. But the school was just the wrong fit. And so I decided I'm not coming home. I'm going somewhere else. I went to London and I ended up staying there for three years. 00:03:10:22 - 00:03:32:07 Unknown Now, if you were in London in the late 60s, early 70s, as a student, you could travel anywhere for next to nothing. And when I say, you know, they had Frommer's $5 a day, you could literally do it for $5 a day. And so I was traveling all the time when I was in Europe, and it became, oh, this is me. 00:03:32:07 - 00:03:57:20 Unknown Is it? You know, this is really fun. I love meeting other people and the foods and the culture and music and the architecture. It was to me that was the most fun of anything I did. And then, when I was in college and I was studying ceramics, my professor went on a trip to Japan, which is, for many people, the epicenter of ceramics. 00:03:57:22 - 00:04:27:19 Unknown I think there are other places, but that's not. And, I managed to travel everywhere, not knowing a word of Japanese in places where I was basically illiterate. I couldn't read anything, I couldn't speak with anyone. But I managed to get around the country. I was like, wow, if I can do this, I can go anywhere. And after that, it was there were no holds barred. 00:04:27:19 - 00:04:52:17 Unknown It was like, I'm going, I love it. I, I want to keep traveling. And that became a true guiding passion in my life. I changed jobs because of it. I dumped boyfriends because of it. You know, I mean, it was there was no part of my life that was not somehow affected by this extreme passion to get sick. 00:04:52:17 - 00:05:00:14 Unknown World. And, you know, it has never stopped. How many countries are you visited? 00:05:00:14 - 00:05:15:20 Unknown was 100. Yes, one. So my 100th country. Yeah. I am many times. And. And some of them, I mean, I was going to Australia and friends were saying, oh, well, you know, you should go to this, you should go do that. 00:05:15:22 - 00:05:41:03 Unknown I said, you know, I hate to tell you this, but this is my eighth trip to Australia. And they would look at me and like eight times you've been to Australia eight times. Yeah. Three times for fun and five times for business, because I did change my career from ceramics to marketing and made it a point to get international clients because I wanted to travel. 00:05:41:05 - 00:06:15:15 Unknown I wanted somebody else to pay for it. So that was the easiest way to do it. Very smart. Yeah, that was one of my questions. How in the world you finance this much travel? Yes. Well, first of all, one of my jobs, my boss had been, right before that, the executive vice president, marketing at American Airlines. And he was the one with his team who developed American Advantage, which was the first of all of the programs, the flight programs, the hotels, all the loyalty programs, all came out. 00:06:15:18 - 00:06:41:18 Unknown That and he said, you have to join. You absolutely have to join him. I never heard of it. Anyhow, I've got a very, very low number on American Airlines loyalty program, and they were giving it because they were promoting it double, triple miles for everything. And I was flying business all over the world. So those miles got to be very I got hundreds and thousands. 00:06:41:19 - 00:07:14:11 Unknown I now, what they call platinum for life because I have officially flown over 2 million miles on American, and I've flown, between all the other airlines. More than that. So that paid for a lot of flights. And whenever I was going somewhere new, I would arrange it because I, you know, I was either a, a partner in the consulting firm or I had my own firm, I would arrange it so that I could spend 3 or 4 days in country just traveling. 00:07:14:17 - 00:07:18:03 Unknown While I was there, I was already there. That was the expensive part. 00:07:18:03 - 00:07:38:24 Unknown besides the early years in London, what's the longest stretch that you've lived in? Okay, a given place New York, New York, it's literally that was I went to college in, in the Midwest. I did my graduate work in upstate New York, and then I came back to the New York area. 00:07:39:01 - 00:07:59:09 Unknown I mean, I'm in New York, and there's no getting away from that one. Born and raised and absolutely loved the city. And I lived outside in one of the suburbs for quite a long time, and I was like, nope, I'm moving back into this. You like to say you're an ordinary person. This does not sound ordinary to me. 00:07:59:11 - 00:08:25:02 Unknown Hell, I mean ordinary in the sense that I didn't have any before this all started. I had no particular skills, but I got very brave because the traveling, I really gave me a sense of the ability to tackle anything and take risks and and including going down and in my own business, why did I want to go out my own business? 00:08:25:07 - 00:08:49:15 Unknown Because I wanted ten weeks vacation a year, you know, no way I could do that. Even in a part. It just wasn't going to happen. And, you know, somebody had said to me a long time ago, life is not a dress rehearsal. You don't get to redo it. So you better do what you want while you can. And unfortunately, I had, a cousin die very young. 00:08:49:15 - 00:09:00:22 Unknown I had a couple of friends die very young. My mother didn't live very long. And so I got the message that do things when, if you want to do it, do it. 00:09:00:22 - 00:09:05:03 Unknown I was about your books. Tell us about. 00:09:05:05 - 00:09:30:23 Unknown About. Yeah. Wanderlust and travel mania and travel mania. Yes. Yeah. Well, travel mania started. I was I always loved to write and I'd been keeping a journal. My mother got me into journal writing. Eight years old. We went on a trip to Florida. She said, you're not going to remember it. You better write it down. And I did a little drawings and, I still have it, by the way, and it got me into a lifelong habit. 00:09:30:23 - 00:09:57:11 Unknown Not on business trips, but personal trips. I write every single day, and I have them all transcribed. The transcription is for my business. So I had her to every one of my journals. So I have every journal from age eight on on my computer. People saved me. So my Teddy remember the details of all. Well, got a great journal to go back to. 00:09:57:11 - 00:10:18:24 Unknown the first came about from just writing travel stories. I love doing that. And I started writing it, and took lots of workshops and was in writing groups. And finally people in my writing group were getting annoyed with me because I was not getting published. And they absolutely insisted. 00:10:18:24 - 00:10:21:09 Unknown I mean, they were they were incredible about. 00:10:21:09 - 00:10:41:07 Unknown when I retired at the end of 2019 with the idea of traveling for two years, and we know into that idea Nestlé plans, but it allowed me to finish books and I and I, well, the first book which got published, but in 2021 and, it's, it's travel stories. 00:10:41:07 - 00:11:07:07 Unknown It's things that happen that are either funny or I learned things or very emotional. But they're they are my life. It's a travel memoir, but literally told in travel story. So you want to know where I went and what it was like? You get that? You want to know what the reaction was to being in particular situations. 00:11:07:07 - 00:11:48:23 Unknown You get that. And, and, and what my motivation was for going to certain places. Because, I mean, you mentioned that I just came back from Taiwan. Well, I have, five nephews and a niece. And when each one of them graduated high school, the graduation present was a trip to wherever they wanted to go. And which was fabulous is a great way of building bonds and, and and really introducing them to, to not ordinary travel because I don't travel the way most people and and so now the next generation, the oldest one just graduated high school. 00:11:49:00 - 00:12:15:21 Unknown So he got to choose where he wanted to go. And he'd been studying Chinese for four years. So off we went to Taiwan. Tell me what what is different about the way you travel than ordinary people? I show up somewhere, and I often have no idea what I'm going to do when I get there. You know, I know maybe 2 or 3 things that I'd like to do, but I don't have a set plan. 00:12:15:23 - 00:12:38:24 Unknown I like having things just happen. And I'll give you an example of something that happened when I was just in Taiwan. I had arranged for a cooking class, which was wonderful. And and we both absolutely loved it. And the tour of the market. And she mentioned that there's a brewery and it's a really fun place to go. Go walk over to the brewery. 00:12:39:01 - 00:13:00:23 Unknown So we get to the brewery and we're walking through the property, and a guy comes by on a bicycle and says, would you like some free beer? Follow me. Okay, let's follow him. You know, I not. I thought we were going to go into the tasting room. No, we ended up in the back office of the brewery, and he had been taking people off the street. 00:13:01:00 - 00:13:27:09 Unknown There were two Japanese. There was a Korean, there were a couple of Taiwanese, a German, and then the two of us, two Americans. And he was just passing a beer to us, and everybody was talking and laughing and comparing travel notes because everybody's traveling. Then he decided that we needed snack. So he went and he literally cooked a doctest for us and brought it in. 00:13:27:11 - 00:13:51:12 Unknown And my nephew was just like, how did this happen? This is so much fun. I was like, yeah, you have to be willing to say yes to that. And, you know, if if something doesn't feel right, you leave. But if it feels good, stay and enjoy it. And we a lot of those kinds of experiences that he absolutely never you can't anticipate them. 00:13:51:14 - 00:14:24:13 Unknown You just have to go with them. And while we were there, we were staying at a bed and breakfast and I was admiring the garden. It's a beautiful, beautiful garden. And the owner said, oh, I have to take you to see my friend's garden because you won't believe it. So he gets in his car, takes us to his friend's place, and we see one of the most spectacular gardens I've ever seen, that now they both spoke English, but not terribly well, but they wanted to know the names of flowers in English, and I'm good at that. 00:14:24:16 - 00:14:48:21 Unknown So I'm pointing out and telling them what they are. And my nephew's going, this is incredible, you were. Here we are. And they're bringing out tea for us. And it was just an experience that you don't get if you stick to the tourist places. And and my idea of traveling is if you want to get to know people, you want to get to know a place, go away from where the tourists are. 00:14:48:23 - 00:15:12:00 Unknown The wow, that sounds like fun to me. Oh it's great. We really had a good time. We had a great time. Your nephew would like to travel with you again. Oh, yeah. I'm sure he would. I'm sure he'd be happy to. Actually, your, market research background, did that play at all into what you've been doing and how you've been doing it? 00:15:12:02 - 00:15:42:23 Unknown Oh, yeah. Part of it is that because of that, I can ask anyone questions that will get them talking wrapped. Yeah, I could every icebreaker in the world, I can get people to talk. One of my friends once made a bet with me that. Yeah, I said I can get anybody to talk about anything. She said, okay, I'm going to give you a topic if you can get me to talk about it for 45 minutes, I'll take you to dinner. 00:15:42:23 - 00:16:08:23 Unknown And if you can't, you have to take me to dinner. Okay. What are we talking about? Canned peas. Okay, half an hour. And she said, you win. I can't stand it. So it's it's a learned skill. I think I was always pretty hard going, but it's a really learned skill to get people to talk. After years of running focus groups and doing interviews. 00:16:09:00 - 00:16:34:22 Unknown And I still do interviews for a lot of things, it's very easy to engage people in conversation. So, you know, that's and it's a learned skill. Okay. Well, tell us about this third book that you're working on for us older folks. Right. Well, it comes from all kinds of things. First of all, I'm going to say that I do all of this traveling and I have a horrible back. 00:16:34:24 - 00:17:00:19 Unknown So we start off with I have mobility issues and some at times really severe mobility issues and have multiple surgeries that well, I've been asked by a couple of groups, senior groups to talk about travel for them and I and I've been giving a series of talks and I've been on podcasts and I've been on live radio shows and all kinds of things. 00:17:00:21 - 00:17:26:17 Unknown And I constantly hear back, well, I really used to love to travel, but now, you know, I can't get around as well as I did, or I lost my spouse or my travel companion, or it just seemed so difficult and so, you know, I'm scared. The bottom line for all of this is I'm scared. You know, Covid or the diseases that are out. 00:17:26:17 - 00:17:43:06 Unknown The political situation. There are a million reasons that people have stopped really traveling or stopped traveling to anywhere outside of a very narrow comfort zone. 00:17:43:08 - 00:18:18:04 Unknown And when I start to talk to people and they get the idea that they really can travel, and my goal with this book, I was writing it as a kind of a how to. And someone in my writing group said, it's more than that. It's AY2. It's AY2 and a half to with the idea that, yes, you may have physical difficulties, you may have a cane, you may even have a wheelchair. 00:18:18:06 - 00:18:44:23 Unknown There is absolutely no reason not to travel. And the benefits and the rewards of traveling are enormous. People just forget about how much fun it is and how, you know, I climbed Kilimanjaro. I was in my 40s. I guess it was 30s. I couldn't do that. And if my life depended on it, I mean, I can barely walk ten blocks without having to sit down. 00:18:44:23 - 00:19:12:04 Unknown So I can't climb Kilimanjaro. So what? I can go to Taiwan, take a cooking class. I can, you know, see people's absolutely gorgeous gardens. I can go to restaurants and eat fabulous food that I would never get in the United States. All of these things are these massive benefits that don't require you to be able to do what you did. 00:19:12:06 - 00:19:31:02 Unknown 20, 34 years ago. And people forget that. You know, it's like, well, I got such a good time, I backpacked, I'm not ever backpacking again. You know, that's just not going to happen. And most people who are in their 70s are not going to be backpacking. There's probably a few people who do, but most of us are not. 00:19:31:04 - 00:19:50:18 Unknown And I'm certainly not, you know, sleeping on the tent outside. I need a good bed. That's all there is to it. My back will not accept anything less than that. But so what? You modify it to meet where you are. But make sure that you're having interesting adventures. 00:19:50:18 - 00:19:53:22 Unknown It's a question of redefining. 00:19:53:22 - 00:19:55:04 Unknown I think that's really key. 00:19:55:05 - 00:20:06:04 Unknown Redefining what adventure means to us as we get older. So can you say a little more about that? Sure. Adventure again can be 00:20:06:04 - 00:20:21:16 Unknown eating foods you've never eaten before and then aren't even available where you live. And I've done that all over the world. Adventure can be getting into conversations with people and really hearing about the world. 00:20:21:18 - 00:20:44:09 Unknown Adventures can be. I went to the Antarctic, but I didn't go on land because I knew my back would never permit me permit, that it just wasn't going to happen. But the cruise was unbelievable. At one point, you know, there was an announcement from the naturalist, go outside and look, you're not going to believe what you see. 00:20:44:11 - 00:21:07:04 Unknown Well, we had gone into a feeding area for whales and that was something like and even then that was it. Hadn't seen that many there, 7080 whales there. And you'd see these below. Then you see a thin, then you see another blow. Now if you don't think that that was adventure, trust me, it was adventurous and I was perfectly comfortable freezing. 00:21:07:04 - 00:21:33:16 Unknown But that's another story. And you can dress for that. Why not? I went last December up to, the Arctic, up the Norwegian coast on a on a, called Hurtigruten. It's a company that does this, and it was fabulous. Yeah. We went there to see the Northern Lights, which I never saw because I have very bad luck with that. 00:21:33:17 - 00:22:07:02 Unknown That's my fourth attempt. I'm giving up. But the cruise itself was amazing. And just seeing how people live when it's dark because we were there, you know, right at solstice was absolutely an adventure. And be somewhere that remote and being able to talk with people. And almost everybody in Norway speaks English and really have conversations about what it's like living in a place that's so remote. 00:22:07:04 - 00:22:31:14 Unknown I was fascinated by it. I would absolutely call that an adventure. You know, and I got my, you know, my walking poles and my crampons onto my boots and. Yeah, and I was very slow and very careful. Didn't hurt myself. But I really got to, to see a different way of life. And those were all adventures and they're all doable within. 00:22:31:16 - 00:22:55:02 Unknown And that's just within the last, you know, a little bit of time, to talk about traveling alone, because I do still do the travel alone. Absolutely. The trip to Norway, I was by myself, although I met a bunch of people, you know, when I was there. But it was me. I went down, earlier this year. 00:22:55:02 - 00:23:27:01 Unknown I have a friend down there, but it was me going down making my arrangements in Medellin, Colombia, which was fabulous. Medellin or Medellin, as they say sometimes. I think nothing about. I went to Chicago, just because I hadn't been in Chicago in a while, and it's a fabulous city. Now, the other thing is that I am on Facebook and I'm on LinkedIn and Instagram, and every time I travel, I post every single talk. 00:23:27:01 - 00:23:45:22 Unknown And I have acquired a huge following of very, very loyal people. And when I said I was going to Chicago, a whole bunch of people contacted me and said, oh, well, I'm in the Chicago area, you know, I'll take you here, I'll take you there or whatever. And so I had this whole never met any of them before. 00:23:45:24 - 00:24:08:00 Unknown Hold up a good friends, new friends in Chicago simply from this. And it was wonderful. And then when I was not with them, I was just wandering around on my own, having interesting experiences. And I'll tell you, one of them was I was going up to a restaurant that several people said, you have to go up to. It's right near the, Chicago Art Institute. 00:24:08:00 - 00:24:32:01 Unknown And it's got this gorgeous view of, is it the egg and the the bean? Bean. And it's got this gorgeous view of the lake. You have to go there for lunch. Okay? And I'm by myself. And I made a reservation. And as I'm going up in the elevator, I start talking with this young guy, and he said, oh, yeah, people said, I have to come here, but I didn't get a reservation on the road. 00:24:32:02 - 00:25:00:20 Unknown We do. And I said, sit with me. Fine. You know, I have a reservation. They're not going to have a table for one. Well he did turns out that he's an attorney. We had the most lovely conversation ever. He was from, Ethiopia. Interesting guy. He was in town because one of his friends was getting his, graduating from law school, and I'll never see the guy again. 00:25:00:20 - 00:25:29:21 Unknown But, man, did we have the most fun out. I want to know what the restaurant was. I can't remember the name of it, but it's it is right across. Right across from, and the bean and it's, it's, you know, but the whole thing was totally it's again, it's saying yes to things and not being afraid and not, you know, not turning down things because maybe it won't turn out well. 00:25:29:21 - 00:25:52:07 Unknown Yeah, maybe, you know, maybe I'll have a boring hour lunch. So what? As it turns out, it was eight hours. But the thing is, you do all these things, you do all of this on your own. You have free to just go out, wander around, talk to people when you see them, and you don't need other company to do it. 00:25:52:07 - 00:26:22:12 Unknown You happy to do it with you. Karen? Yeah, you know, again, it helps that I really can break the ice with a lot of people. That that is a skill. And it's hard for, for some people. And I understand that. And I have, you know, this kind of recipe for how you get started doing this. If you've never done it before, draw a 50 mile circle from wherever it is that you live. 00:26:22:14 - 00:26:26:02 Unknown Pick a town or an area that you've never been to before. 00:26:26:02 - 00:26:43:08 Unknown If you're brave, go for a weekend. If not, just go overnight. Go for one night. You find somewhere to stay. Find somewhere to have dinner. Find something interesting in that town that you didn't know about and that you're interested in. The whole point is that it has to be something you're interested. 00:26:43:10 - 00:27:11:12 Unknown If you're an art, find an art museum. If you're into sports, find, you know, a triple A or a baseball game that's being held if you're into or somewhere that you can golf, whatever, whatever your passion is, find the thing that you're really passionate about, because when you get there, you'll be around other people who are passionate about the same thing, which makes it a whole lot easier to start a conversation. 00:27:11:12 - 00:27:12:05 Unknown It's 00:27:12:05 - 00:27:14:19 Unknown That's where next for you, Karen? 00:27:14:19 - 00:27:25:16 Unknown Well, go to Mexico in August, and in September I'm going to Ireland, and in October I'm going back to Europe. 00:27:25:16 - 00:27:36:21 Unknown And I'm planning the trip at the moment, to Malaysia. So Malaysia, Malaysia, where I've been before. But I'm going to a different part of. 00:27:36:21 - 00:27:44:19 Unknown take a big suitcase. I'm not all and I'll just, I'll just do a little part of it. Right. 00:27:44:19 - 00:27:50:17 Unknown and that's the other thing. Carry on or nothing like you have your luggage ever ever ever. 00:27:50:17 - 00:28:06:00 Unknown So that's what fascinates me about going to, because you've been to so many countries and so many of them many times over, is that some people say, well, I've been to Germany or I've been to Australia, they've been to one little pieces of but not they haven't. 00:28:06:02 - 00:28:41:22 Unknown And so you are really exploring the whole country. Yeah. Well, I mean it's like saying you came to the United States because you went to Disney World, right? By. Right. No. You really didn't come to the United States. You went to Disney World and you went to Florida. And Florida has got nothing to do with Maine or California or Texas or Chicago or New York or many other places, you know, and Australia is enormous with eight times and I've been to almost the entire East Coast. 00:28:41:24 - 00:28:47:01 Unknown I've never been to the west coast of Australia on my list, but I've never been there. 00:28:47:01 - 00:29:00:23 Unknown we like to ask our guests, well, how do you feel and think about your own aging? And it seems to me you've probably spoken about that quite a bit, but do you have anything else you would want to add about aging here on aging? 00:29:01:00 - 00:29:30:20 Unknown Yeah. Because I have these mobility issues, I am taking incredible care, which I've always exercised. You know, I was a hiker, always went to the gym. I now go to physical therapy endlessly. Thank you. Medicare. But I go to the physical therapy in endless. I am constantly doing things to make sure that I can keep moving. 00:29:30:22 - 00:29:57:03 Unknown You know, I exercise, and I stretch every morning without fail. I have to, And there are days when it's harder than other days, and I'm constantly, you know, going back to the doctor and going, come on, it's got to be something else we can do. Because I do not want to sit at home. It's just not what I want. 00:29:57:05 - 00:30:05:01 Unknown And I can't even imagine my life doing that. I will adapt to whatever I have to adapt to, to keep moving 00:30:05:01 - 00:30:13:18 Unknown Well, Karen, thank you so much. This is just been about pleasure. And, certainly recommend your books. And we'll look. When is your, 00:30:13:18 - 00:30:16:07 Unknown your third book coming out? Don't know yet. 00:30:16:07 - 00:30:19:10 Unknown You'll let us know, please. Absolutely. We'll let you know. 00:30:19:10 - 00:30:21:04 Unknown It's it's it's mostly written, 00:30:21:04 - 00:30:21:14 Unknown but 00:30:21:14 - 00:30:22:21 Unknown it needs editing. 00:30:22:22 - 00:30:28:05 Unknown And that, and I'm actually trying to find a new publisher, so that takes time. 00:30:28:05 - 00:30:43:10 Unknown Thank you again so much. This has been a real treat. Yeah. My pleasure. Lovely to to spend time with both of you. And my word to everybody is get out there and go see the world. And the world doesn't have to be going to Taiwan. 00:30:43:12 - 00:31:25:07 Unknown It could be going 50 miles away. It's a great message. So, listeners, make your voice heard together as we change the conversation about women aging, explore women over 70.com and join us at Aging Reimagined Circle. And we have another podcast to suggest to you. It's called aging with Purpose and Passion by Beverly Glaser. Are you ready to ignite your next chapter, aging with Purpose and Passion is the weekly podcast, inspiring women over 50 to embrace bold life shifts and unlock their potential through captivating stories and trailblazing older women. 00:31:25:07 - 00:31:28:04 Unknown Visit aging with Purpose and passion.com.