1 00:00:00,674 --> 00:00:02,340 This episode is brought to you by the 2 00:00:02,420 --> 00:00:02,975 P Group. 3 00:00:05,435 --> 00:00:07,180 Welcome back to wedding through culture. 4 00:00:07,752 --> 00:00:09,900 I'm Tim Flanagan. And I'm a Amanda Kramer. 5 00:00:10,298 --> 00:00:12,208 When culture is not a priority, people aren't 6 00:00:12,208 --> 00:00:12,764 a priority. 7 00:00:13,321 --> 00:00:15,470 Having an intentional focus helps you as a 8 00:00:15,470 --> 00:00:17,477 leader remain impactful full and relevant as you 9 00:00:17,477 --> 00:00:20,110 move your business forward. Welcome to winning through 10 00:00:20,110 --> 00:00:20,509 culture. 11 00:00:22,743 --> 00:00:24,913 Today, we are excited to bring back a 12 00:00:24,913 --> 00:00:27,706 winning through culture greatest kits. When we do 13 00:00:27,706 --> 00:00:29,781 this, we are looking for an episode out 14 00:00:29,781 --> 00:00:31,936 of our library that we have heard from 15 00:00:31,936 --> 00:00:33,088 you are listeners 16 00:00:33,461 --> 00:00:35,071 that has been the most impactful 17 00:00:35,444 --> 00:00:38,141 and meaningful as it relates to helping you 18 00:00:38,141 --> 00:00:41,833 create an intentional culture in your listeners organization 19 00:00:41,971 --> 00:00:44,764 and or has helped you grow as a 20 00:00:44,764 --> 00:00:47,477 leader. So without further ado, we're gonna turn 21 00:00:47,477 --> 00:00:48,609 it right back to too. 22 00:00:51,243 --> 00:00:53,318 I'm a amanda Kramer, and I'm really excited 23 00:00:53,318 --> 00:00:55,473 for the conversation that Tim, and I are 24 00:00:55,473 --> 00:00:56,691 going to have today 25 00:00:57,084 --> 00:00:58,919 is a topic that has been on my 26 00:00:58,919 --> 00:01:00,673 mind for a while, and it's something that 27 00:01:00,673 --> 00:01:02,907 we shared in are what you can expect 28 00:01:02,907 --> 00:01:05,220 through them winning through culture episode that you 29 00:01:05,220 --> 00:01:07,627 just listened to a couple weeks go hopefully. 30 00:01:08,106 --> 00:01:10,737 And this is a conversation around finding or 31 00:01:10,737 --> 00:01:13,607 building purpose in your work. There is this 32 00:01:13,607 --> 00:01:16,732 element of having distinction between Pe passion and 33 00:01:16,732 --> 00:01:18,587 purpose. And today, Tim and I are gonna 34 00:01:18,725 --> 00:01:20,639 dig a little bit deeper into what that 35 00:01:20,639 --> 00:01:22,016 looks like if you're an entrepreneur, 36 00:01:22,553 --> 00:01:24,227 how that has come to fruition and his 37 00:01:24,227 --> 00:01:26,233 life is a leader and just all the 38 00:01:26,233 --> 00:01:28,620 things related to purpose and passion. So, Tim? 39 00:01:28,938 --> 00:01:30,609 Thank you very much, amanda. It's good to 40 00:01:30,609 --> 00:01:32,997 be here with you today. And, yes, we've 41 00:01:32,997 --> 00:01:35,401 talked about this topic. For a while. I 42 00:01:35,401 --> 00:01:36,699 am interested in 43 00:01:37,315 --> 00:01:39,650 unpacking it a bit more with you. And 44 00:01:39,948 --> 00:01:42,202 I believe the starting point of 45 00:01:42,580 --> 00:01:44,276 discussion around purpose 46 00:01:44,829 --> 00:01:45,569 and passion 47 00:01:46,109 --> 00:01:48,509 really begins if our listeners are familiar with 48 00:01:48,509 --> 00:01:50,670 the Mas hierarchy of needs. 49 00:01:51,310 --> 00:01:55,102 It begins with a understanding of how people 50 00:01:55,561 --> 00:01:58,118 approach what they need. And I think from 51 00:01:58,118 --> 00:01:59,177 my experience 52 00:01:59,636 --> 00:02:00,995 in business and life, 53 00:02:01,728 --> 00:02:03,184 you see a continuum 54 00:02:03,561 --> 00:02:04,061 of 55 00:02:04,437 --> 00:02:06,907 people professionally whether their business owner or quite 56 00:02:06,907 --> 00:02:08,341 frankly in their professional career, 57 00:02:09,314 --> 00:02:10,912 striving for success, 58 00:02:11,711 --> 00:02:12,770 which is ultimately 59 00:02:13,229 --> 00:02:16,206 defined differently by different people, but usually, 60 00:02:16,918 --> 00:02:18,668 falls into into a couple categories we'll come 61 00:02:18,668 --> 00:02:19,066 back to. 62 00:02:19,941 --> 00:02:22,645 And that's striving for success for... Those that 63 00:02:22,645 --> 00:02:25,133 are fortunate enough leads to success 64 00:02:25,523 --> 00:02:27,768 and then it leads to an entirely new 65 00:02:27,982 --> 00:02:29,331 conversation, which is okay. 66 00:02:29,887 --> 00:02:32,529 What else is there? Right. What is my 67 00:02:32,901 --> 00:02:33,298 passion? 68 00:02:34,186 --> 00:02:36,646 And purpose really more so my purpose because 69 00:02:36,646 --> 00:02:38,947 your passion is probably what fuel you through 70 00:02:38,947 --> 00:02:39,447 the 71 00:02:40,137 --> 00:02:40,772 success phase, 72 00:02:41,264 --> 00:02:43,425 and got you to that point where you're 73 00:02:43,425 --> 00:02:46,145 now asking yourself. Okay. There's gotta be more 74 00:02:46,145 --> 00:02:46,465 than this. 75 00:02:47,264 --> 00:02:50,317 What's my purpose. And it's the transition that's 76 00:02:50,317 --> 00:02:53,126 been written about by a couple of wise 77 00:02:53,263 --> 00:02:56,789 people relative to the success to significance 78 00:02:57,245 --> 00:02:58,041 transition. Yeah. 79 00:02:58,774 --> 00:03:00,372 I think a good place to start this 80 00:03:00,372 --> 00:03:03,569 dialogue is to define the difference between when 81 00:03:03,569 --> 00:03:05,966 it is something that you're passionate about or 82 00:03:05,966 --> 00:03:07,245 whether it is your purpose. 83 00:03:07,738 --> 00:03:10,784 So passion typically is that emotional 84 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:13,886 aspect is something that's slightly more inward focused. 85 00:03:14,500 --> 00:03:16,193 It gets you motivated. 86 00:03:16,745 --> 00:03:18,824 It kind of is okay, Cool. I'm getting 87 00:03:18,824 --> 00:03:20,424 up every day, and I'm doing this, 88 00:03:20,985 --> 00:03:24,519 whereas you have your purpose, which is You're 89 00:03:24,519 --> 00:03:26,357 not just born with what your purpose is, 90 00:03:26,517 --> 00:03:28,195 Sometimes you have to build it along the 91 00:03:28,195 --> 00:03:31,071 way whereas passion you typically are. As far 92 00:03:31,071 --> 00:03:33,958 as purpose is concerned that sure why it's 93 00:03:33,958 --> 00:03:34,458 your 94 00:03:34,913 --> 00:03:36,130 ability and your 95 00:03:36,505 --> 00:03:38,495 contributions to the community that you serve. It's 96 00:03:38,495 --> 00:03:41,042 that greater component. What are you giving back 97 00:03:41,042 --> 00:03:42,077 at the end of the day? 98 00:03:42,809 --> 00:03:45,446 And I think the utopia of it all 99 00:03:45,446 --> 00:03:48,242 is when your passion and your purpose aligned. 100 00:03:48,402 --> 00:03:49,840 But more even specifically, 101 00:03:50,174 --> 00:03:52,092 who take into account kind of your superpower. 102 00:03:52,251 --> 00:03:53,530 So when you have your talents, 103 00:03:54,009 --> 00:03:55,926 your passion, and your purpose. When all 3 104 00:03:55,926 --> 00:03:58,569 of those things are... In alignment. I think 105 00:03:58,569 --> 00:04:00,656 that's really where you get to that success 106 00:04:00,791 --> 00:04:02,616 and that place of, okay. I've reached the 107 00:04:02,616 --> 00:04:04,203 top of the mountain and now what? 108 00:04:05,093 --> 00:04:07,247 So, Tim, maybe if you give a little 109 00:04:07,247 --> 00:04:10,038 bit of context of when you started out 110 00:04:10,038 --> 00:04:11,633 on your journey as a leader, 111 00:04:12,112 --> 00:04:13,947 did you start with your passion or your 112 00:04:13,947 --> 00:04:14,345 purpose? 113 00:04:15,398 --> 00:04:17,713 I would say that I started with something 114 00:04:17,713 --> 00:04:20,586 even more basic than that. Alright. So I 115 00:04:20,586 --> 00:04:23,220 think that whether you're professional or business owner 116 00:04:23,220 --> 00:04:25,975 and speak to being a business owner is 117 00:04:26,035 --> 00:04:27,335 you've got to 118 00:04:27,795 --> 00:04:29,634 make enough money to survive. 119 00:04:30,355 --> 00:04:33,005 Feed your family, have your business... Be successful, 120 00:04:33,483 --> 00:04:33,643 operate, 121 00:04:34,359 --> 00:04:37,545 generate enough revenue to reinvest in your business, 122 00:04:37,704 --> 00:04:39,218 Hire people do all the things that a 123 00:04:39,218 --> 00:04:41,304 business needs to do to be successful, and 124 00:04:41,304 --> 00:04:43,379 maybe not just have to eat Ramen. Well, 125 00:04:43,618 --> 00:04:46,752 that's a college thing or perhaps after college 126 00:04:47,529 --> 00:04:49,045 depending on the success of your business. 127 00:04:49,698 --> 00:04:52,327 So that I know is got to be 128 00:04:52,327 --> 00:04:53,363 sat first. 129 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,390 Now it's your passion back to your... 130 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,062 Definition there, amanda, your passion may cause you 131 00:05:00,062 --> 00:05:02,844 to choose your profession. If you're fortunate and 132 00:05:02,844 --> 00:05:03,957 or the business, you start, 133 00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:07,009 it's something you are excited about. It's something 134 00:05:07,009 --> 00:05:09,970 you enjoy. It's something you have positive energy 135 00:05:09,970 --> 00:05:13,410 about, and it's something that pushes you through. 136 00:05:13,824 --> 00:05:16,285 The challenges that inevitably come along because they 137 00:05:16,285 --> 00:05:17,873 will come. That's a guarantee. 138 00:05:18,509 --> 00:05:22,241 So I know for me, at least my 139 00:05:22,241 --> 00:05:22,741 first 140 00:05:23,685 --> 00:05:26,943 objective. I had a passion to help people. 141 00:05:27,737 --> 00:05:30,064 I had passion for how 142 00:05:30,453 --> 00:05:33,791 the financial services industry could impact people's lives, 143 00:05:34,427 --> 00:05:36,199 and I had a very strong need 144 00:05:37,209 --> 00:05:39,276 to find a way to build a business, 145 00:05:39,609 --> 00:05:42,805 and have an income that could sustain that 146 00:05:42,805 --> 00:05:45,921 business and sustain my family. So the passion 147 00:05:45,921 --> 00:05:46,660 is what 148 00:05:47,053 --> 00:05:49,996 got me going. Right. And kept me going 149 00:05:49,996 --> 00:05:52,780 quite frankly when things did not go according 150 00:05:52,780 --> 00:05:53,337 to plan. 151 00:05:53,988 --> 00:05:56,312 But until I was able to 152 00:05:56,843 --> 00:05:59,223 meet that first need as a business owner, 153 00:05:59,778 --> 00:06:01,547 you know, truthfully, the passion 154 00:06:02,253 --> 00:06:04,742 is what you got to push you through 155 00:06:05,117 --> 00:06:07,924 the purpose piece for most people I think 156 00:06:07,981 --> 00:06:10,466 comes later. Mh. Biggest it's built as you're 157 00:06:10,466 --> 00:06:13,259 working through those successes and those challenges that 158 00:06:13,259 --> 00:06:15,913 you face? Yes. So what are some questions 159 00:06:16,131 --> 00:06:19,165 that you... Asked yourself along the way as 160 00:06:19,165 --> 00:06:22,500 your purpose was coming to fruition. As you 161 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:24,087 move from that initial need, 162 00:06:24,658 --> 00:06:26,887 to really leaning into those passions that you 163 00:06:26,887 --> 00:06:29,377 have to get you through, maybe those challenging 164 00:06:29,434 --> 00:06:31,901 times. What are some of the questions that 165 00:06:31,901 --> 00:06:35,343 helps you form where your purpose ultimately landed. 166 00:06:36,222 --> 00:06:39,818 Well, the questions ultimately for purpose are what 167 00:06:39,818 --> 00:06:42,535 am I uniquely gifted to do? Mh. You're 168 00:06:42,535 --> 00:06:43,266 super powers. Yes. 169 00:06:44,139 --> 00:06:46,919 Superpower. And I know for me at least, 170 00:06:47,316 --> 00:06:49,064 it was very difficult for me to see 171 00:06:49,064 --> 00:06:50,652 that. I had to have other people help 172 00:06:50,652 --> 00:06:53,290 me. Tease that out. I remember doing an 173 00:06:53,290 --> 00:06:54,959 exercise right around the time I was 30, 174 00:06:55,197 --> 00:06:57,105 I went to a few people that I 175 00:06:57,105 --> 00:06:59,012 trusted and respected it and said, what do 176 00:06:59,012 --> 00:07:00,698 you see me be good at. And, by 177 00:07:00,698 --> 00:07:02,852 the way I've done that since then as 178 00:07:02,852 --> 00:07:05,824 recently as last year, because it's definitely 179 00:07:06,441 --> 00:07:08,913 something that changes over time as you acquire 180 00:07:08,913 --> 00:07:10,052 skills and experiences. 181 00:07:10,603 --> 00:07:12,357 My first question is, what am I good 182 00:07:12,357 --> 00:07:14,590 at? What did God kind of gift me 183 00:07:14,590 --> 00:07:16,264 to do in this lifetime? 184 00:07:17,062 --> 00:07:19,866 The second question then becomes... So is it 185 00:07:19,866 --> 00:07:21,696 something that I actually enjoy. Right? 186 00:07:22,969 --> 00:07:25,378 Because you may be good at something that 187 00:07:25,594 --> 00:07:29,591 doesn't really satisfy you? Yeah. And I don't 188 00:07:29,591 --> 00:07:31,986 know that that's often the case, but I 189 00:07:31,986 --> 00:07:33,823 can think of some instances where I've seen 190 00:07:33,823 --> 00:07:36,058 that. So the second question then is, you 191 00:07:36,058 --> 00:07:37,415 know, what do I really enjoy? And then 192 00:07:37,415 --> 00:07:39,669 the third question is, again, back to the 193 00:07:39,669 --> 00:07:41,189 business aspect of this, 194 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:44,009 is is that something 195 00:07:44,310 --> 00:07:46,961 that the world sees value. Mh. Can I 196 00:07:46,961 --> 00:07:50,304 create value in that? Can I transmit that 197 00:07:50,304 --> 00:07:52,794 value to other people and in turn, be 198 00:07:53,568 --> 00:07:53,966 for that? 199 00:07:54,619 --> 00:07:57,493 Compensated for that, and again, build a business 200 00:07:57,493 --> 00:07:57,732 around. 201 00:07:58,371 --> 00:08:01,324 So said another way, that last question that 202 00:08:01,324 --> 00:08:03,240 you were discussing is really... 203 00:08:03,814 --> 00:08:05,269 The world is a better place 204 00:08:05,883 --> 00:08:08,271 because I'm in it and the ability that 205 00:08:08,430 --> 00:08:10,579 I had to produce x. Whatever that might 206 00:08:10,579 --> 00:08:12,739 look like. So If you talk about the 207 00:08:12,739 --> 00:08:15,197 alignment of your talents. So the superpower question, 208 00:08:15,514 --> 00:08:17,679 the alignment of d you have satisfaction, 209 00:08:18,051 --> 00:08:18,923 do you have the... 210 00:08:19,572 --> 00:08:21,898 Passion at the end of the day to 211 00:08:22,112 --> 00:08:24,572 be able to come to the table every 212 00:08:24,572 --> 00:08:26,819 single time and say, you know, I am 213 00:08:27,048 --> 00:08:30,151 putting or pouring rather, a thousand percent of 214 00:08:30,151 --> 00:08:33,810 myself into this? And then is the community 215 00:08:33,810 --> 00:08:35,581 that that I'm in or the world as 216 00:08:35,581 --> 00:08:37,896 a whole? Is it better because I'm able 217 00:08:37,896 --> 00:08:40,051 to have this value that I bring to 218 00:08:40,051 --> 00:08:42,526 the table? Yeah. I fundamentally believe we all 219 00:08:42,526 --> 00:08:44,712 have unique gifts. Who are all bringing something 220 00:08:44,768 --> 00:08:45,482 unique to the world. 221 00:08:46,117 --> 00:08:46,752 Many people. 222 00:08:47,625 --> 00:08:50,245 Unfortunately, I believe, also don't ever figure out 223 00:08:50,245 --> 00:08:52,250 what that is to because they're not intentional 224 00:08:52,250 --> 00:08:54,162 about it. This is definitely a very intentional 225 00:08:54,162 --> 00:08:56,552 act. It's 1 thing to have an inkling 226 00:08:56,552 --> 00:08:58,783 as to what excites you and what you're 227 00:08:58,783 --> 00:09:00,297 interested in and it's a whole another thing 228 00:09:00,297 --> 00:09:00,456 though. 229 00:09:01,108 --> 00:09:03,513 To organize your life around it and to 230 00:09:03,569 --> 00:09:06,030 make it come to fruition and to bring 231 00:09:06,030 --> 00:09:08,594 it forth and ultimately bear fruit 232 00:09:09,223 --> 00:09:11,160 So there's definitely 233 00:09:11,618 --> 00:09:14,732 a pathway here that again, my fundamental belief 234 00:09:14,732 --> 00:09:15,232 is 235 00:09:15,610 --> 00:09:17,786 at some point in the journey of life 236 00:09:18,735 --> 00:09:21,142 The vast majority of people are gonna ask 237 00:09:21,199 --> 00:09:23,821 themselves, why am I here? What is this 238 00:09:23,821 --> 00:09:24,139 about? 239 00:09:24,854 --> 00:09:26,285 And what is my purpose? 240 00:09:27,333 --> 00:09:30,123 And some people get great clarity of that. 241 00:09:30,362 --> 00:09:32,674 I know early in their life. Some people 242 00:09:32,674 --> 00:09:34,826 never get that. Some people never ask the 243 00:09:34,826 --> 00:09:36,675 question. I Say, it might go back to 244 00:09:36,675 --> 00:09:38,851 the questions. Like, are you constantly? 245 00:09:39,468 --> 00:09:42,180 Because the success equation says make more money. 246 00:09:42,754 --> 00:09:45,471 Get more awards, do more things. The do 247 00:09:45,471 --> 00:09:47,708 more things. Yeah. All do more things. Get 248 00:09:47,708 --> 00:09:51,233 more things, and that's the success, the equation 249 00:09:51,233 --> 00:09:53,778 of our society today is, you know, be 250 00:09:53,778 --> 00:09:56,165 famous. How many followers do you have? All 251 00:09:56,165 --> 00:09:56,642 that stuff, 252 00:09:57,214 --> 00:09:59,598 says, that's what success is. Yet, I know, 253 00:09:59,836 --> 00:10:02,220 from my own experience and talking to a 254 00:10:02,220 --> 00:10:04,151 lot of other business owners and entrepreneurs 255 00:10:04,525 --> 00:10:05,717 that at some point, 256 00:10:06,289 --> 00:10:07,246 that's not enough. 257 00:10:08,124 --> 00:10:10,778 Well, and if a entrepreneur of just listening 258 00:10:10,837 --> 00:10:12,672 if they wanted to reach out or somebody 259 00:10:12,672 --> 00:10:15,321 that potentially... You know, you have a relationship 260 00:10:15,321 --> 00:10:17,418 with no matter where you are in that 261 00:10:17,476 --> 00:10:18,674 relationship cycle. If they were to come to 262 00:10:18,674 --> 00:10:21,069 you and say, as I'm building this business 263 00:10:21,069 --> 00:10:22,926 or as I'm starting out whatever 264 00:10:23,638 --> 00:10:25,466 phase of life they're in? And they said, 265 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:27,295 do I start with something I'm just good 266 00:10:27,295 --> 00:10:28,884 at or do I start with something I'm 267 00:10:28,884 --> 00:10:31,587 passionate about. What would your advice be for 268 00:10:31,587 --> 00:10:33,986 that individual? Great question, man. 269 00:10:34,859 --> 00:10:36,765 That's not a heavy question at all. But 270 00:10:36,924 --> 00:10:38,536 I think it gets back to 271 00:10:38,909 --> 00:10:39,409 ultimately, 272 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:41,847 the ideal situation is both. 273 00:10:42,418 --> 00:10:45,509 Right. Yeah. You're doing something you enjoy. You're 274 00:10:45,509 --> 00:10:48,284 doing something that you feel some inkling that 275 00:10:48,284 --> 00:10:49,473 you were created to do. 276 00:10:50,203 --> 00:10:52,371 And it's something that you can 277 00:10:52,825 --> 00:10:53,801 do successfully 278 00:10:54,334 --> 00:10:56,638 from a standpoint of building a business around 279 00:10:56,638 --> 00:10:58,307 or having a career around. And again, 280 00:10:59,038 --> 00:11:02,649 how many people in life pursue other people's 281 00:11:02,787 --> 00:11:05,179 vision of their life? They go and get 282 00:11:05,179 --> 00:11:08,311 a degree in any profession 283 00:11:08,703 --> 00:11:10,372 because someone else told them that's what they 284 00:11:10,372 --> 00:11:13,471 should do. Right. Not because it's something that 285 00:11:13,471 --> 00:11:15,879 necessarily they're passionate about not because it's something 286 00:11:16,269 --> 00:11:19,057 they necessarily feel they're good at. And again, 287 00:11:19,296 --> 00:11:20,969 our society says, well, you know, if you're 288 00:11:20,969 --> 00:11:23,359 a doctor or lawyer or certain profession, you 289 00:11:23,359 --> 00:11:24,953 can make a lot of money, which is 290 00:11:24,953 --> 00:11:25,271 true. 291 00:11:25,924 --> 00:11:28,338 Yet, make a lot of money is typically 292 00:11:28,396 --> 00:11:31,188 not the purpose that people lean into or 293 00:11:31,188 --> 00:11:34,059 land Right. When they eventually get there. Yeah. 294 00:11:34,299 --> 00:11:35,710 That may be a byproduct 295 00:11:36,149 --> 00:11:37,848 of this intersection of passion 296 00:11:38,307 --> 00:11:40,005 and purpose and ultimately 297 00:11:40,464 --> 00:11:42,622 finding your way and your work and your 298 00:11:42,622 --> 00:11:44,640 business life, but that's not 299 00:11:45,032 --> 00:11:47,020 I don't think that's the end all be 300 00:11:47,020 --> 00:11:49,405 all. Well, it's interesting that you comment about, 301 00:11:49,485 --> 00:11:51,973 like, getting a degree in a particular subject 302 00:11:52,109 --> 00:11:52,427 or... 303 00:11:52,998 --> 00:11:54,984 Area in which you just kind of somebody 304 00:11:54,984 --> 00:11:56,653 landed on Monday and said you should be 305 00:11:56,653 --> 00:11:56,891 x. 306 00:11:57,526 --> 00:11:59,592 I think that at least in my daily 307 00:11:59,592 --> 00:12:01,436 life don't really come across a lot of 308 00:12:01,436 --> 00:12:05,013 people who declared a major and graduated with 309 00:12:05,013 --> 00:12:07,717 that major. And then today either have not... 310 00:12:08,035 --> 00:12:09,663 I shifted or 311 00:12:10,037 --> 00:12:12,183 outside of, you know, even a doctor, maybe 312 00:12:12,183 --> 00:12:14,726 their specialty is different than they originally thought 313 00:12:14,726 --> 00:12:17,134 it was going to be there's that room 314 00:12:17,134 --> 00:12:17,954 for adaptability 315 00:12:18,334 --> 00:12:20,894 because you're working on building your purpose as 316 00:12:20,894 --> 00:12:22,654 you go. So I think that's important to 317 00:12:22,654 --> 00:12:25,065 note that it's not Okay, Day 1, you 318 00:12:25,065 --> 00:12:26,898 decided, and then that's the only thing. That's... 319 00:12:27,137 --> 00:12:28,731 You do have to be laser focused if 320 00:12:28,731 --> 00:12:30,564 you wanna build it, but it's... You can 321 00:12:30,564 --> 00:12:31,521 have some room for... 322 00:12:32,094 --> 00:12:32,594 Flexibility. 323 00:12:32,972 --> 00:12:34,168 I guess, this is the best word to 324 00:12:34,168 --> 00:12:36,482 use. Well, I think that's the right word 325 00:12:36,482 --> 00:12:38,636 to use because again, it's an iterative process. 326 00:12:38,956 --> 00:12:41,520 Right. I believe few people are blessed enough 327 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,432 to, you know, in their twenties figure out. 328 00:12:43,592 --> 00:12:45,265 This is why I was created. This is 329 00:12:45,265 --> 00:12:47,018 exactly why I'm here, and this is exactly 330 00:12:47,018 --> 00:12:48,611 what I'm gonna do about that. Mh. 331 00:12:49,183 --> 00:12:51,639 I think most people spend a lifetime pursuing 332 00:12:51,639 --> 00:12:54,570 that. And again, in a business setting, if 333 00:12:54,570 --> 00:12:55,759 you're creating value, 334 00:12:56,409 --> 00:12:59,200 For whomever your clients are, that can still 335 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,389 be something you're passionate about, and you clearly 336 00:13:02,389 --> 00:13:04,542 can find your purpose in that. Now in 337 00:13:04,542 --> 00:13:07,288 my mind. Well, and as a leader, the 338 00:13:07,505 --> 00:13:09,895 intersection as we said that utopia of having 339 00:13:09,895 --> 00:13:13,019 your purpose and your passion and your... Special 340 00:13:13,019 --> 00:13:14,937 talents or your powers as I like to 341 00:13:14,937 --> 00:13:18,373 call them, all come together is obtain, but 342 00:13:18,373 --> 00:13:20,311 we talk a lot about on this podcast 343 00:13:20,530 --> 00:13:22,936 around as a leader, how that gets put 344 00:13:22,936 --> 00:13:26,521 into the evolving culture of your organization, whether 345 00:13:26,521 --> 00:13:28,194 it's you and 1 other person, whether it's 346 00:13:28,194 --> 00:13:29,867 50 people, a hundred people, whatever it might 347 00:13:29,867 --> 00:13:31,554 look like and we go back to this 348 00:13:31,554 --> 00:13:33,385 book quite often, but I have it here, 349 00:13:33,783 --> 00:13:36,251 and it's the culture solution by Matthew Kelly. 350 00:13:36,490 --> 00:13:38,401 And on 1 of the pages, 351 00:13:38,894 --> 00:13:42,718 He articulate a dynamic culture cannot make employees 352 00:13:42,718 --> 00:13:43,117 happy, 353 00:13:43,595 --> 00:13:46,383 but it can make fulfillment and happiness at 354 00:13:46,383 --> 00:13:48,296 work a lot more obtain. 355 00:13:48,868 --> 00:13:50,616 And I think about that in the context 356 00:13:50,616 --> 00:13:52,205 of a leader and the discussion that we're 357 00:13:52,205 --> 00:13:55,543 having today around purpose and passion, if the 358 00:13:55,543 --> 00:13:58,658 leader is working towards that. The ability for 359 00:13:58,658 --> 00:14:00,191 them to them pour 360 00:14:00,645 --> 00:14:03,666 their purpose and their passion into the organization, 361 00:14:03,904 --> 00:14:05,256 then results and a culture, 362 00:14:05,668 --> 00:14:08,454 that others can find their way, find and 363 00:14:08,454 --> 00:14:11,661 build their purpose within. So I think having 364 00:14:11,718 --> 00:14:14,124 the discussion as a leader as a business 365 00:14:14,124 --> 00:14:16,761 owner entrepreneur or whatever word you wanna utilize 366 00:14:16,761 --> 00:14:19,098 there? Is there a way in which 367 00:14:19,477 --> 00:14:19,977 entrepreneurs 368 00:14:20,356 --> 00:14:23,325 leaders can create space or that you have 369 00:14:23,325 --> 00:14:25,079 seen that they can create space to help 370 00:14:25,079 --> 00:14:27,710 others as they're going on that same journey 371 00:14:27,710 --> 00:14:29,943 of building their purpose. Is there anything that 372 00:14:29,943 --> 00:14:30,581 comes to mind? 373 00:14:31,154 --> 00:14:31,394 Yes. 374 00:14:32,915 --> 00:14:35,634 In fact there is. I think Amanda that 375 00:14:35,634 --> 00:14:36,134 the 376 00:14:36,595 --> 00:14:38,595 imperative of a leader to create a winning 377 00:14:38,595 --> 00:14:38,995 culture. 378 00:14:39,409 --> 00:14:41,977 That unlocks people's passions and purpose 379 00:14:42,670 --> 00:14:44,125 is to be intentional 380 00:14:44,500 --> 00:14:46,113 in the formation of that culture 381 00:14:46,664 --> 00:14:48,819 And what I mean by that is to 382 00:14:48,819 --> 00:14:50,915 acknowledge that the purpose of the business 383 00:14:51,293 --> 00:14:53,129 and to discuss the purpose of the businesses 384 00:14:53,129 --> 00:14:54,806 isn't and just to make the bottom line. 385 00:14:55,125 --> 00:14:57,448 Right. Now, the business needs to make a 386 00:14:57,448 --> 00:14:59,437 bottom line in order to sustain itself and 387 00:14:59,437 --> 00:15:01,664 offer all these wonderful opportunities I'm about to 388 00:15:01,664 --> 00:15:04,142 speak about, So that's important back to my 389 00:15:04,142 --> 00:15:06,683 earlier comments. If the economic security is not 390 00:15:06,683 --> 00:15:08,192 there, the rest of this is gonna go 391 00:15:08,192 --> 00:15:10,677 out the window because of, again, the hierarchy 392 00:15:10,733 --> 00:15:11,447 of human needs. 393 00:15:12,336 --> 00:15:15,514 But with the security of a well established 394 00:15:15,514 --> 00:15:15,911 business, 395 00:15:16,468 --> 00:15:18,851 the intentional, I believe an entrepreneur has to 396 00:15:18,851 --> 00:15:22,294 have is recognizing that everybody in that organization 397 00:15:22,294 --> 00:15:25,495 has unique gifts everybody has passions and interests, 398 00:15:25,975 --> 00:15:28,294 and everybody ultimately is here for a purpose. 399 00:15:28,535 --> 00:15:30,876 Mh. And as the leader are you formulating 400 00:15:30,931 --> 00:15:31,669 a culture 401 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:35,688 that speaks to helping people identify, what are 402 00:15:35,688 --> 00:15:36,243 you good at? 403 00:15:36,894 --> 00:15:37,931 What do you enjoy? 404 00:15:38,409 --> 00:15:41,440 Whether it's in the actual job you've been 405 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:42,339 hired to 406 00:15:42,716 --> 00:15:44,790 or on a project team or some other 407 00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:46,566 way, how can we help you 408 00:15:47,278 --> 00:15:50,091 explore that further, unpack that, kind of foster 409 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:50,309 that. 410 00:15:51,107 --> 00:15:53,181 So that's number 1. Number 2 then is 411 00:15:53,181 --> 00:15:53,681 really 412 00:15:53,994 --> 00:15:56,865 an open dialogue that everybody's here for a 413 00:15:56,865 --> 00:15:58,402 purpose. Again, that's not 414 00:15:58,859 --> 00:16:01,650 necessarily certainly in a large corporate environment. You're 415 00:16:01,650 --> 00:16:03,166 not gonna see that conversation. 416 00:16:03,899 --> 00:16:06,054 Because it's about quarterly earnings and it's about 417 00:16:06,054 --> 00:16:07,970 all this, but as an entrepreneur of a 418 00:16:07,970 --> 00:16:10,545 small business, you have an amazing opportunity 419 00:16:11,082 --> 00:16:12,221 to create a culture 420 00:16:13,092 --> 00:16:15,505 that people wanna come be a part of 421 00:16:15,962 --> 00:16:18,991 because you're giving them an opportunity to pursue 422 00:16:18,991 --> 00:16:20,686 something they're passionate about 423 00:16:21,317 --> 00:16:23,068 Obviously, it needs to be in alignment with 424 00:16:23,068 --> 00:16:25,616 what the business needs and a good leader 425 00:16:25,616 --> 00:16:28,164 can make that happen, let's say 80 percent 426 00:16:28,164 --> 00:16:28,722 of the time. 427 00:16:29,930 --> 00:16:33,193 And that same process in my mind allows 428 00:16:33,193 --> 00:16:35,762 them then to begin to find their purpose 429 00:16:35,819 --> 00:16:38,206 and really get an alignment with that. 430 00:16:39,339 --> 00:16:42,635 And sometimes that alignment may mean they're not 431 00:16:42,695 --> 00:16:45,811 with that organization anymore. Other times it may 432 00:16:45,811 --> 00:16:49,017 mean that they you know, are truly suited 433 00:16:49,017 --> 00:16:51,568 and uniquely gifted for a particular need the 434 00:16:51,568 --> 00:16:53,242 business has, and it gives them a chance 435 00:16:53,242 --> 00:16:55,729 to grow into an entirely new role, or 436 00:16:55,729 --> 00:16:58,226 grow up in a role, but 437 00:16:58,605 --> 00:17:01,561 that's to me the imperative if you're gonna 438 00:17:01,561 --> 00:17:02,780 create a winning culture 439 00:17:03,572 --> 00:17:06,839 around people pursuing their passion and finding their 440 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:09,468 purpose in life. That's 1 of the key 441 00:17:09,468 --> 00:17:11,221 things you're gonna have to address. There's another 442 00:17:11,221 --> 00:17:13,149 1 will come to in a moment. But 443 00:17:13,149 --> 00:17:15,786 those 2 things I think are really critical. 444 00:17:16,425 --> 00:17:19,702 And in doing that, again, I know that 445 00:17:19,702 --> 00:17:21,540 a business can create a culture. 446 00:17:22,113 --> 00:17:23,386 The people wanna be a part of. 447 00:17:24,421 --> 00:17:26,569 Well, in in a future episodes of flash 448 00:17:26,569 --> 00:17:28,558 forwarding here just a little bit. You do 449 00:17:28,558 --> 00:17:31,946 have a... Really interesting dialogue with a 450 00:17:32,565 --> 00:17:35,941 individual Debbie mill house and talking about when 451 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:36,454 that 452 00:17:36,892 --> 00:17:39,994 opportunity arises for someone to seek employment in 453 00:17:39,994 --> 00:17:40,869 some capacity, 454 00:17:41,346 --> 00:17:43,812 how the purpose and passion, how that all 455 00:17:43,812 --> 00:17:47,437 goes into the talent management and talent strategy 456 00:17:47,736 --> 00:17:49,973 component of being a an entrepreneur and a 457 00:17:49,973 --> 00:17:51,571 a small business owner, which I think is 458 00:17:51,571 --> 00:17:54,384 really cool. So I know these tendencies and 459 00:17:54,384 --> 00:17:56,544 discussion points that we're having today are also 460 00:17:56,544 --> 00:17:58,625 going to be part of that dialogue too. 461 00:17:59,105 --> 00:18:00,865 So I do hope that our listeners will 462 00:18:00,865 --> 00:18:02,644 tune in. But you mentioned 463 00:18:03,038 --> 00:18:07,272 the concept of having that space in a 464 00:18:07,328 --> 00:18:10,608 small business where an individual can work to 465 00:18:10,664 --> 00:18:14,333 figure out and or build their purpose and 466 00:18:14,333 --> 00:18:14,833 really 467 00:18:15,445 --> 00:18:17,351 lean into the passion and the things that 468 00:18:17,351 --> 00:18:20,131 they're good at. Do you find that as 469 00:18:20,131 --> 00:18:20,631 a 470 00:18:21,258 --> 00:18:21,758 leader 471 00:18:22,610 --> 00:18:23,746 having that annual 472 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:24,700 performance 473 00:18:25,234 --> 00:18:27,620 conversation that you build space in there to 474 00:18:27,620 --> 00:18:30,100 have dialogue around the path or the purpose 475 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:31,612 of the individual? Or do you think that 476 00:18:31,612 --> 00:18:33,282 that's a separate? I mean, I think it's 477 00:18:33,282 --> 00:18:35,509 an ongoing dialogue I do, and I think 478 00:18:35,509 --> 00:18:39,185 it's... Passion in that ongoing dialogue, there's an 479 00:18:39,185 --> 00:18:40,935 intentional to it, and it's easy to get 480 00:18:40,935 --> 00:18:43,164 busy and lose sight of that or just 481 00:18:43,164 --> 00:18:44,994 have it fall off the radar. So I 482 00:18:44,994 --> 00:18:45,924 do believe it's 483 00:18:46,365 --> 00:18:47,744 imperative that both parties 484 00:18:48,205 --> 00:18:50,045 make a commitment to not let that happen. 485 00:18:50,205 --> 00:18:52,525 And so that the employee doesn't just assume 486 00:18:52,525 --> 00:18:53,884 the leader gonna do it, and the a 487 00:18:53,884 --> 00:18:55,894 leader doesn't just assume, the employee bring it 488 00:18:55,894 --> 00:18:58,043 up if it's important to him, let's just 489 00:18:58,043 --> 00:19:01,147 recognize it's important. Yeah. But I think it's 490 00:19:01,147 --> 00:19:03,153 an ongoing conversation. I think to there are 491 00:19:03,153 --> 00:19:06,179 moments in time that are inflection points where 492 00:19:06,179 --> 00:19:09,603 you're going to then decide what progress have 493 00:19:09,603 --> 00:19:11,924 we made? What have we learned there over 494 00:19:11,924 --> 00:19:13,509 some period of time, and, yeah, years is 495 00:19:13,509 --> 00:19:15,411 a good period of time to give something 496 00:19:15,411 --> 00:19:15,911 enough 497 00:19:16,441 --> 00:19:18,263 donation if you will to unfold. 498 00:19:18,835 --> 00:19:21,174 Whether that's a calendar year or 12 month 499 00:19:21,555 --> 00:19:23,894 span. I do believe that that is 500 00:19:24,195 --> 00:19:26,535 an appropriate time frame, but I do also 501 00:19:27,563 --> 00:19:29,467 very strongly believe that it can't be something 502 00:19:29,467 --> 00:19:30,816 you put in a box and say, we'll 503 00:19:30,816 --> 00:19:33,038 talk about this 12 months from yeah. And 504 00:19:33,038 --> 00:19:35,358 honestly, you say no. Sparked a thought around 505 00:19:35,358 --> 00:19:37,428 how you and I. And again, a lot 506 00:19:37,428 --> 00:19:39,259 of the dialogue that we have here comes 507 00:19:39,259 --> 00:19:41,431 from our daily experience in our 508 00:19:41,807 --> 00:19:44,298 organization, but this is applicable to any industry, 509 00:19:44,457 --> 00:19:46,455 any place doesn't matter if you're running on 510 00:19:46,455 --> 00:19:49,492 a particular operating system or not, we use 511 00:19:49,492 --> 00:19:51,111 the concept of having quarterly 512 00:19:51,570 --> 00:19:54,126 conversations. And so maybe you can express a 513 00:19:54,126 --> 00:19:56,186 little bit around how those come to fruition. 514 00:19:56,423 --> 00:19:58,800 And for me, that gives me a lot 515 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,038 of... 516 00:19:59,769 --> 00:20:02,246 Grace and the dialogue to say, here is 517 00:20:02,246 --> 00:20:04,323 what I'm passionate about. Here are the things 518 00:20:04,482 --> 00:20:06,974 I wanna focus on. Here is how I 519 00:20:06,974 --> 00:20:08,491 need you as a leader to show up 520 00:20:08,491 --> 00:20:09,928 for me? Can you maybe me talk a 521 00:20:09,928 --> 00:20:11,764 little? I can talk about it. I can 522 00:20:11,764 --> 00:20:13,600 talk about it with the understanding that I 523 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,117 need a little grace because I am been 524 00:20:15,117 --> 00:20:17,525 really good to last too. First of doing 525 00:20:17,525 --> 00:20:18,025 my, 526 00:20:18,481 --> 00:20:19,996 but they are on the calendar this year. 527 00:20:20,394 --> 00:20:22,068 Yeah. I mean, the idea in Os of 528 00:20:22,068 --> 00:20:24,220 a quarterly is really a 90 minute block. 529 00:20:24,474 --> 00:20:26,309 To get out of the office get away 530 00:20:26,309 --> 00:20:27,824 from the day to day. It's not a 531 00:20:27,824 --> 00:20:30,297 performance review. It's really a 2 way conversation 532 00:20:30,297 --> 00:20:31,573 about how am I doing? And how are 533 00:20:31,573 --> 00:20:33,567 you doing and how are we doing together 534 00:20:33,567 --> 00:20:35,836 in sense. And what's 535 00:20:36,213 --> 00:20:39,322 upcoming relative to how you wanna grow professionally, 536 00:20:39,481 --> 00:20:41,474 and I also like to look at where 537 00:20:41,474 --> 00:20:43,962 people want to personally. That's a decision that 538 00:20:43,962 --> 00:20:44,781 everyone makes 539 00:20:45,159 --> 00:20:46,915 unique to themselves as to whether they wanna 540 00:20:46,915 --> 00:20:48,591 share that or not. And then, you know, 541 00:20:48,671 --> 00:20:50,347 the question becomes as a leader, what can 542 00:20:50,507 --> 00:20:52,439 I do to support the your efforts in 543 00:20:52,439 --> 00:20:52,998 that regard? 544 00:20:53,717 --> 00:20:56,753 And it is a rich conversation. It's I've 545 00:20:56,753 --> 00:20:59,950 had some pretty significant breakthroughs in those conversations, 546 00:21:00,443 --> 00:21:02,615 with the people that I work with, both 547 00:21:02,831 --> 00:21:05,855 learnings for myself and quite frankly understanding for 548 00:21:05,855 --> 00:21:08,018 them, and it gives you a chance to 549 00:21:08,018 --> 00:21:09,766 course correct, back to the fact that it's 550 00:21:09,766 --> 00:21:11,435 an iterative process. If I put it a 551 00:21:11,435 --> 00:21:13,105 box, and I revisit it once a year. 552 00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:15,648 That's too far of a time frame to 553 00:21:15,648 --> 00:21:17,970 course correct. You know. You could be way 554 00:21:17,970 --> 00:21:18,607 off course. 555 00:21:19,165 --> 00:21:21,895 And so the quarterly really does help calibrate 556 00:21:22,351 --> 00:21:22,851 more 557 00:21:23,307 --> 00:21:25,617 nuanced course corrections to get us back on 558 00:21:25,617 --> 00:21:25,856 track. 559 00:21:26,588 --> 00:21:28,603 Well, and for me, you know, being 560 00:21:29,219 --> 00:21:30,357 participant in quarterly 561 00:21:30,734 --> 00:21:33,365 with you, and then also having individuals that 562 00:21:33,524 --> 00:21:35,853 I have quarterly least with. It's 1 of 563 00:21:35,853 --> 00:21:37,470 the best opportunities 564 00:21:37,848 --> 00:21:39,604 to take a break as you said from 565 00:21:39,604 --> 00:21:41,839 the business and really just talk about where 566 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:45,464 the person's passions lie. And have that dialogue 567 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,667 on where they wanna go and as a 568 00:21:47,667 --> 00:21:49,098 leader how you can help them do that. 569 00:21:49,257 --> 00:21:51,086 And I as I shared, I think it's 570 00:21:51,086 --> 00:21:52,915 applicable no matter the industry no matter your 571 00:21:52,915 --> 00:21:55,079 business size you can take 90 minutes a 572 00:21:55,079 --> 00:21:58,028 quarter for those that you directly support to 573 00:21:58,028 --> 00:22:00,338 have that conversation, and it does give you 574 00:22:00,338 --> 00:22:03,302 that pivot point. Of making sure that where 575 00:22:03,302 --> 00:22:06,114 their passions and their talents that they're aligning 576 00:22:06,172 --> 00:22:08,266 to their purpose and then ultimately, 577 00:22:08,643 --> 00:22:10,893 hopefully, Right? To get that point of Utopia 578 00:22:10,893 --> 00:22:13,289 where all 3 things come together. 579 00:22:13,849 --> 00:22:15,846 I do wanna touch on that. Alright. You 580 00:22:15,846 --> 00:22:18,333 know, we talked about... This podcast not sounding 581 00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:20,722 like everything's rainbow bone roses. Yeah. It's not. 582 00:22:20,961 --> 00:22:23,270 And I wanna talk about the reality of 583 00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:25,341 all these wonderful things, which is it's hard. 584 00:22:26,234 --> 00:22:26,954 It's really hard. 585 00:22:27,914 --> 00:22:31,035 And I'm actually suspect that some entrepreneurs or 586 00:22:31,035 --> 00:22:33,035 business owners don't wanna go down this path 587 00:22:33,035 --> 00:22:34,394 because it is hard, and it's like, whoa, 588 00:22:34,634 --> 00:22:35,115 that's messy. 589 00:22:35,609 --> 00:22:36,726 I don't know that I wanna know all 590 00:22:36,726 --> 00:22:39,118 that information that a person. I don't know 591 00:22:39,118 --> 00:22:41,352 that I want the responsibility then to have 592 00:22:41,352 --> 00:22:43,186 to, you know, just come here and do 593 00:22:43,186 --> 00:22:45,122 your job, basically, is the mindset 594 00:22:45,515 --> 00:22:48,075 of so many businesses, and that's your stuff 595 00:22:48,075 --> 00:22:49,994 to work out on your own time, not 596 00:22:49,994 --> 00:22:50,234 here. 597 00:22:50,955 --> 00:22:52,875 Now, as a leader, I've chosen a different 598 00:22:52,875 --> 00:22:54,956 path, Right. We've chosen a different path as 599 00:22:54,956 --> 00:22:57,734 an organization. But I I think it's really 600 00:22:57,734 --> 00:22:59,559 important to call out the fact that it's 601 00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:00,512 hard. Mh. 602 00:23:01,004 --> 00:23:03,393 And it's hard on 2 fronts. It's hard 603 00:23:03,393 --> 00:23:04,371 as the leader 604 00:23:05,703 --> 00:23:06,203 because 605 00:23:06,739 --> 00:23:09,527 in my experience, you're getting people perhaps, 606 00:23:10,259 --> 00:23:11,779 to think about things they would not have 607 00:23:11,779 --> 00:23:13,940 thought about on their own and kind of 608 00:23:13,940 --> 00:23:15,940 opening a bit of a pandora box. Yeah. 609 00:23:16,099 --> 00:23:18,826 That idea idea Yeah. And it's like generic 610 00:23:18,826 --> 00:23:21,691 needs. Wait a minute. Yeah. And so you 611 00:23:21,691 --> 00:23:24,317 do open yourself up in essence to... 612 00:23:25,048 --> 00:23:28,071 Some conversations that may not be in alignment 613 00:23:28,071 --> 00:23:29,503 with what you as the leader and the 614 00:23:29,503 --> 00:23:31,094 entrepreneur we're hoping for. 615 00:23:32,223 --> 00:23:33,895 But the other piece that's hard and this 616 00:23:33,895 --> 00:23:36,762 is equally as challenging is, I think it's 617 00:23:36,762 --> 00:23:37,899 hard on the person 618 00:23:38,992 --> 00:23:40,447 that is exploring this 619 00:23:41,554 --> 00:23:42,054 and 620 00:23:42,986 --> 00:23:43,804 the ultimate 621 00:23:44,338 --> 00:23:47,122 challenge in pursuing your passion, 622 00:23:48,171 --> 00:23:51,114 and your purpose and aligning that in a 623 00:23:51,114 --> 00:23:53,364 way that creates value that you get compensated 624 00:23:53,660 --> 00:23:54,478 well for 625 00:23:54,867 --> 00:23:57,013 is that the work itself is hard. Mh. 626 00:23:57,807 --> 00:24:00,906 And I see too many people get a 627 00:24:00,906 --> 00:24:03,154 picture and a glimpse of what 628 00:24:04,098 --> 00:24:05,550 that looks like 629 00:24:06,874 --> 00:24:09,571 and get very excited about it. And then 630 00:24:09,571 --> 00:24:11,102 when it's time to do the work 631 00:24:12,047 --> 00:24:14,039 for lack of better word peace out. 632 00:24:15,393 --> 00:24:17,385 And and they're like, hey, 633 00:24:18,022 --> 00:24:20,173 you know, it's the old adage of I 634 00:24:20,173 --> 00:24:20,673 wanna 635 00:24:21,224 --> 00:24:23,219 be healthy and fit, you know, back to 636 00:24:23,219 --> 00:24:25,852 your. We're not doing New Year's. Resolutions appreciation. 637 00:24:26,091 --> 00:24:27,767 That's right. But all the things that fall 638 00:24:27,767 --> 00:24:28,746 on that list 639 00:24:29,139 --> 00:24:31,613 are with the best of intentions just as 640 00:24:31,613 --> 00:24:32,352 this whole 641 00:24:33,129 --> 00:24:35,683 experience of identifying all of this is the 642 00:24:35,683 --> 00:24:37,931 best of intentions, but that for the person 643 00:24:37,931 --> 00:24:39,685 that's in the business, you know, not the 644 00:24:39,685 --> 00:24:41,598 leader. It's hard for the leader. But for 645 00:24:41,598 --> 00:24:44,149 the employee that has decided this is something 646 00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:46,156 they want to engage in and I think 647 00:24:46,156 --> 00:24:48,304 they really can run up against. Wow, this 648 00:24:48,304 --> 00:24:50,929 is hard, which then brings you back to 649 00:24:50,929 --> 00:24:52,281 where you started, which is, 650 00:24:53,409 --> 00:24:55,556 Is this really what you're passionate about? Right. 651 00:24:56,033 --> 00:24:58,498 And is this really where you feel called? 652 00:24:59,213 --> 00:25:00,509 That's the piece that 653 00:25:01,299 --> 00:25:03,619 I see as well. And so as a 654 00:25:03,619 --> 00:25:05,940 entrepreneur or business owner just and again, the 655 00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:08,339 full disclosure category, this isn't in Rainbows and 656 00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:09,480 Roses is 657 00:25:09,953 --> 00:25:12,499 By adopting this type of approach in your 658 00:25:12,499 --> 00:25:15,204 culture, you are opening yourselves up in my 659 00:25:15,204 --> 00:25:17,989 opinion to some challenges that most businesses might 660 00:25:17,989 --> 00:25:18,387 not face. 661 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:19,619 And 662 00:25:20,715 --> 00:25:22,072 at the same time though, 663 00:25:22,790 --> 00:25:25,184 for those employees that do the work and 664 00:25:25,184 --> 00:25:26,860 push through the hard easy, 665 00:25:27,754 --> 00:25:30,251 you as an entrepreneur will see some amazing 666 00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:31,829 transformations and people. 667 00:25:32,627 --> 00:25:35,518 And to me, that is worth it. That 668 00:25:35,518 --> 00:25:38,012 is worth all the hard work. That's worth 669 00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:39,108 some of the heartache. 670 00:25:40,145 --> 00:25:42,875 That's worth some of the challenges. That come 671 00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:44,714 and the disruptions that may come to the 672 00:25:44,714 --> 00:25:45,214 business 673 00:25:45,755 --> 00:25:47,454 to see people in essence transformed. 674 00:25:47,914 --> 00:25:50,075 And again, I can speak to my own 675 00:25:50,075 --> 00:25:53,116 daughter who went through this process and left 676 00:25:53,116 --> 00:25:56,777 our organization after 8 years. And she is 677 00:25:56,777 --> 00:25:59,721 pursuing her passion. She's pursuing quite frankly something 678 00:25:59,721 --> 00:26:01,575 that I think she was built to do 679 00:26:01,575 --> 00:26:03,494 at a very young age, which is... I've 680 00:26:03,494 --> 00:26:05,674 told her repeatedly, you're so fortunate 681 00:26:06,454 --> 00:26:09,342 to be in alignment with that. And she 682 00:26:09,342 --> 00:26:12,204 still has challenges every day. And so that 683 00:26:12,204 --> 00:26:14,350 doesn't mean all of this being discovered will 684 00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:16,912 eliminate challenges in your life, it will just 685 00:26:16,912 --> 00:26:19,407 illuminate the challenges that need to be overcome 686 00:26:19,545 --> 00:26:20,364 and trust 687 00:26:20,901 --> 00:26:23,627 that it'll give you the energy, if and 688 00:26:23,627 --> 00:26:24,366 the fort 689 00:26:24,978 --> 00:26:26,432 to move through those challenges. 690 00:26:27,044 --> 00:26:30,382 Nah. Well, a lot to unpack in the 691 00:26:30,382 --> 00:26:31,892 dialogue around where... 692 00:26:32,384 --> 00:26:34,846 Your passion. About this. You will you are, 693 00:26:35,005 --> 00:26:35,822 which is wonderful. 694 00:26:36,196 --> 00:26:37,864 I see it every day because I get 695 00:26:37,864 --> 00:26:40,539 the good fortune of working with you and 696 00:26:40,738 --> 00:26:42,409 it is. It's a hard decision as a 697 00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:43,307 leader to 698 00:26:43,761 --> 00:26:45,830 jump into really the deep end with people. 699 00:26:46,227 --> 00:26:47,125 And let them 700 00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:50,297 explore and have conversations. That they might be 701 00:26:50,297 --> 00:26:52,835 having internally with themselves, they might be having 702 00:26:52,835 --> 00:26:55,794 it with someone outside of the organization, but 703 00:26:55,849 --> 00:26:57,222 encouraging that dialogue 704 00:26:57,769 --> 00:27:00,185 it kind is like a unicorn in business 705 00:27:00,563 --> 00:27:03,436 for those that I've encountered. And so it's 706 00:27:03,436 --> 00:27:05,352 an opportunity to lean into it. It might 707 00:27:05,352 --> 00:27:07,442 not be the right decision for you, but 708 00:27:07,442 --> 00:27:10,571 it is something to consider how as a 709 00:27:10,948 --> 00:27:12,701 individual as a leader as a business owner, 710 00:27:12,941 --> 00:27:15,822 you want to support that dialogue for those 711 00:27:15,822 --> 00:27:18,129 that are in your community and your pod. 712 00:27:18,765 --> 00:27:20,674 And so we hope that you found the 713 00:27:20,674 --> 00:27:22,864 information that we shared with you insightful. 714 00:27:23,323 --> 00:27:24,921 Hopefully, there's a negative or 2 that you 715 00:27:24,921 --> 00:27:26,999 can take away as you're working to build 716 00:27:26,999 --> 00:27:30,195 your winning culture. And ultimately, we hope that 717 00:27:30,195 --> 00:27:32,761 your passion and your purpose and your talents 718 00:27:32,761 --> 00:27:35,230 are aligned, and we look forward to having 719 00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:35,730 more 720 00:27:36,107 --> 00:27:38,906 conversation around how these things come to fruition 721 00:27:38,906 --> 00:27:41,605 over the course of several episodes to come, 722 00:27:41,844 --> 00:27:43,749 and 1 of the things I think is 723 00:27:43,749 --> 00:27:45,908 important just to know, again, Tim's at it, 724 00:27:45,987 --> 00:27:48,054 but I think needs to be reiterated. It 725 00:27:48,054 --> 00:27:50,041 is hard. It's a hard decision to make, 726 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,824 and you might come across some points that 727 00:27:52,824 --> 00:27:54,732 you weren't quite ready for yet, But I 728 00:27:54,732 --> 00:27:56,656 will. That You will. You will. Okay. Let's 729 00:27:56,656 --> 00:27:58,327 just... You won't... You will. That might You 730 00:27:58,327 --> 00:28:01,294 will. You will. I promise. And allowing those 731 00:28:01,431 --> 00:28:03,261 individuals to step into that to jump in 732 00:28:03,261 --> 00:28:06,003 the deepen with you. As Tim said, those 733 00:28:06,537 --> 00:28:09,081 experiences are very fruitful, and you might be 734 00:28:09,081 --> 00:28:10,273 ready for that in a couple years, she 735 00:28:10,273 --> 00:28:12,261 you might be ready for it now. Yeah. 736 00:28:12,754 --> 00:28:15,541 Well, thank you, Amanda. Again, I do appreciate 737 00:28:15,541 --> 00:28:18,568 you leaning into pursuing your passion and purpose 738 00:28:18,568 --> 00:28:20,183 here as we do this 739 00:28:20,639 --> 00:28:23,836 journey in business. In life together. So I 740 00:28:23,836 --> 00:28:25,029 thank you for that, and I would just 741 00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:26,937 say before I end this podcast. 742 00:28:27,335 --> 00:28:29,855 My last comment on this is I appreciate 743 00:28:29,974 --> 00:28:32,049 the inspiration you provide my life and for 744 00:28:32,049 --> 00:28:34,921 business owners that choose this path, you will 745 00:28:34,921 --> 00:28:37,966 be inspired. Again, you will suffer heartache, but 746 00:28:37,966 --> 00:28:40,189 you will be inspired in the inspiration will 747 00:28:40,189 --> 00:28:42,095 lift you up in ways that you can't 748 00:28:42,095 --> 00:28:44,397 imagine and my encouragement is be around people 749 00:28:44,397 --> 00:28:46,644 that inspire you you inspire me. So thinking 750 00:28:46,794 --> 00:28:48,934 that? That's very good. And that's a wrap 751 00:28:48,934 --> 00:28:51,471 for this episode of winning through culture. Thanks 752 00:28:51,471 --> 00:28:53,215 for being with us today. Be well. 753 00:28:54,325 --> 00:28:56,404 That Thanks for joining us for another episode 754 00:28:56,404 --> 00:28:57,356 of winning through culture. 755 00:28:57,992 --> 00:29:01,088 Until next time, stay intentional, be impactful. 756 00:29:01,723 --> 00:29:03,170 Because you're culture matters.