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This week, we'll be reviewing Rogue.
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miss Drew? Mister is drew. Mister Drew? Hopefully
come back soon. Yeah. Exactly. And if he
hears this episodes of Hu.
It's not
unlikely that he will be inspired to watch
rogue.
I believe he should, but Rogue. High level.
I believe everyone should watch Rogue. I believe
Rogue is very watchful. High level I can
concur.
High level. I also concur, but I.
Oh,
No. Don't also
Not with your notes. Come on.
I'm so sorry. No. It's a fabulous episode
of of doctor Who, and I can't wait
to get into it with you. What's it
about though? What, what is it about? How
should we have ever find out? Maybe with
some kind of bite sized chunk of who?
Lightning. What's
Type.
Listen to
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a wee bit familiar, but the balances scandals
an old time modern music. You might be
mistaken with... Thinking you fight up the wrong
subscription service,
but that's our doc on the dance about
to cut a rug with that handsome chat
from mind hunter, thinking So put that remote
down, grab your hand embroidered thirteenth dog and
Y cushion and get ready for the most
flirt ride of dog's life.
You see Doc and Ruby aren't the only
people out of place in this setting. First
up, there's the ro charming bounty hunter called.
At well rogue. 1 out of 10 for
name choice, but 10 out of 10 for
Looks wit and fancy spaceships. This deb chap
ooze such con confidence for you could cut
the sexual tension to him and dog with
an airline glove. And wait. He's a nerd
too, someone please change my seed cushion because
I just whip myself with excitement confidence It
obviously rogue quickly turns dogs head and their
flirt banter is flying so fast. You'll have
to duck to avoid getting caught in the
cross fire. Rogue bounty meanwhile there's some cosplay
playing birds, Aka, the shoulder. You haven't so
much has crashed this party has crashed a
handful of the un attendees.
Once the drama of his suarez has run
its course, these shapes shifters
their body actions showed to the London, Europe
and the rest of the British hating world.
So the question on Everyone's lips is, can
dock and bro t their eyes away from
each other long enough to stop them
pis go over. You are welcome. Alt to
you just? Oh, my goodness So excited it.
Fabulous Pis go.
Absolutely fabulous. Bravo
Bra,
Berlin. Where are we starting this Sw then?
I'm gonna stop by telling you. That my
Score for this. Is it a spoiler? I
don't care. I'm spoiling it. I'm starting on
a 5 at what. I'm gonna...
And if anyone can find anything wrong with
it, then I'm gonna knock it knock a
0.1 off for each. Problem. So don't find
too many problems, please, because I want this
to have a high school.
Find... Yeah. Exactly. Don't find 50 problems with
it. No.
Just maybe a handful. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's
fine. But, genuinely,
had so much fun watching this and had
even more from the second time around. I
think Laughed out loud in place. Nice,
more sold than any other episode would you
say? I definitely the series. I think this
is my highlight so far of the series.
Wow. Wow.
For are you of of the same minds,
Gym Cakes? I think basically, yeah. It's...
I mean, I know I'm a little bit
on the Rt hate train, but it was
painfully obvious that he didn't write this. Gonna
say, yeah. Audrey didn't wear this 1.
Might have something to do with it? Yeah.
It
I thought he would have done because it's
this, like, beautiful gay love story, and we
know he... He did a really nice job
with it's a sin, and I thought this
would be up peace alley it wasn't... Yeah.
It was 2 women writers. Yeah. I think
it felt the most doctor here. Yeah you're
right. First time Doctor 2, they had written...
Didn't... But we say this the last time,
I... I you had a vague recollection of
this. That they they wrote for loki at
some point. I think what... Yeah. 1 of
them like produce? Yeah broke the entire first
series of loki or something like oh these
like had a... Lots wow, lot to do
with loki, I think. Yeah. Well, loki
season 1 felt like the kind of doctor
hu we were missing at the time of
loki season 1, and this episode feels to
me like the most Doctor Hu of this
series to date. Yeah. I think it's interesting
because Ruby kinda takes a little bit of
a backseat in this story. So it's Yeah.
It's a bit kind a companion light. Well,
it's it feels like rogue acts as the
companion. Yeah. Which isn't abnormal. In terms of
who actually we normally can kind of do
get companions of the week, and they sometimes
do replace a lot of the companion stuff
you know the 1 it doesn't remind me
of obviously girl in the fireplace because again,
that's where Billy Piper stuck on the space.
Ship and docs going through and said their
stories are quite separate, and then you get
the companion of the week that's been the
love interest and the That. That's so true.
Yeah. Good. Reference. I hadn't thought of that.
But I think in the same way that
Norman Pom is she's very charming and there's
an instant connection it got ignoring the meet
as a child bit. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. He's with.
Yeah.
There's an instant connection between her and dock
in the same way you get between rogue
and duck here. Yeah. Yeah. That's so true.
I had also
made that parallel in my mind, but for
me, it had been. Solely superficial, like the
historical setting, the aesthetics oled, but you're so
right that that parallel goes
way way deeper. Do you think that this
works better or works differently?
Well,
I think that's a great episode. It is
a fantastic episode. I love that episode. And
I think the way that I... This 1
ent me slightly more. Is that in Mother
Pom, she's a historical figure that he can't
really mess with her timeline too much
because it's, you know, fixed points and whatnot,
so he can't Yeah, like, pluck her out
and go traveling with her,
whereas rogue is also presumably from the future
and has his technology and has spaceship and,
and so there's a potential future for them,
which the... We then don't get to see.
But I don't know. I'm... I really, really,
really, really hope like, Rogue last line of
confined me is so just... Yeah. Oh, I'm
so desperate for that to have it. I
don't will,
But there's this do don't think so. Now
do. Because he leaves his doc has Oh,
exactly. And in my mind that ring is
some kind of homing beacon or something along
those lines, like, he'll be tapping that ring
or twisting it with his fingers or something
and then all of was done the activists
or something and it's oh my goodness. Wait
that I this can take me to a,
you know, that kind of thing. I desperately
desperately desperately want that to be true. I
really hope choose too.
Do you think that this would have been
this episode would have been better suited earlier
on in the series.
So that the series could end with either
dock getting a a link from the ring
so that we know that there's hope or
the 2 of them actually re writing towards
the end Yeah. This is exactly what I
said, when Maria, I briefly discussed it. Try
not
too much
stuff between us I opened brains. But, yeah.
It's this is the faith I don't have
in this being wrapped up because it comes
just before the finale, which I won't go
into what happens in the Finale, but we
have watched it, will you know? And it's
like, yeah. If if this had been a
bigger
story earlier on, then we could have had
some resolution. We could have had more development.
But at the moment, I mean, we can
review this episode where we are in in
the story, and it's left to open. Yeah.
To gives you some hope. Well, the the
thing that you said to earlier, which just
made me pee myself with if exactly.
With excitement, I should clarify.
Oh great.
Exactly what you said. With enthusiasm. Okay. Yeah.
If this had been, like, episode 2 of
this series.
And then we'd had the thread of the...
Oh, we find something about the ring Oh,
Maybe we can be, like,
exploring different universes, but always kind of looking
for rogue, and then in the end rogue
comes back. And the comparison that you aid
was that he would be this season's river,
which whichever was so cool yeah
and he feels like they sold have a
connection that Dock and River had where they
challenge each other and there's this line about
them, like, arguing through the stars or something,
and I feel like...
Fine know. But, yeah, That's the kind of
relationship that they built up. So quickly in
what episode in, like, in in the past
5 minutes.
You knew exactly what the relationship would be
like. Yes. Well, this is
I'm not trying to rob you of no
0.1, Marie. But this still is still 1.
Don't. This this... I'm I'm so sorry, but
this is 1 thing that doesn't fully work.
For me. I feel like it's... This okay.
So the finale is a 2 part. Right?
You're right. We're not reviewing that now, but
that's a 2 part so we get to
spend 2 episodes double the run runtime with
at least a couple of characters. They're the
the overlap and and we get to build
bigger arcs and bigger relationships. But this seems
like the relationship that needed a double episode.
This is the 1 that I want to
spend more time on because I'm... Yeah. I
don't know exactly where I stand on the
whole like Duck is super duper.
I'm totally getting around to it and their
fluctuations were absolutely fucking amazing. I mean, the
energy on screen is incredible, but it it
is likely if feels a little bit rushed
to me that within the space of, like,
20 minutes, they have literally fallen in love,
and they are
that they've already decided that they're gonna spend
the the foreseeable future together traveling around and
having a relationship and going steady, and
you just played each other. You you don't
you don't go each other. I think I...
You know what I mean? Is... I took
it as another level in the for,
really. It's like...
They were challenging each other to kind of
out undo each other with their flirt flotation
banter. And then the moment, the most dramatic
moment is when they're pretending to make a
scandal. And I I have a question in
my notes actually. Because when Rogue gets down
on 1 knee and presents a ring to
dock. Yeah. Genuinely seems a bit flustered, but
this is all than the umbrella of dock
is acting and trying to make a scene.
Yeah. So it's
genuine thing or is he still acting? And
I think that's intentionally left open. But I
think you're right. That's 1 of my introductory
questions. I think
not necessarily, are they hinting at something between
Dock and Rogue. I think it's something that
I think they're hinting at maybe post river,
Doc doesn't want to get married again or
he you can't even really conceive of that
notion anymore and therefore, It's too painful for
him to be proposed to. No
I don't know. Yeah. Something along those lines.
I think I took it the same though
it worked... Yeah was... It was both. Partly
they're playing and partly he needed to do
a dramatic storm out, but there's a little
pause where he's sort of face drops, and
you see there is a little bit of,
like,
real heartbreak there. And, yeah, I picked him
thinking back to river and thinking back to...
Oh, I've I was there presumably. We didn't
see... I don't think we saw in proposed,
but we know they got married. So at
some point, yeah, He was on it, Isn't
given the ring to river, and it just
made him very sad. But I really liked
his a very
corp back and it may... And it kind
of, yeah, gave their ban to some sort
of weight to it. Yeah. No. Totally agree.
How do you feel about that? Oh, go
ahead Sorry.
As Can say, I think in that sense,
it's more a kind of grounding moment then.
So it's like everything has been banter. Everything
has been flirt flotation. And so even though
I can't remember if this before afterwards, they're
talking about, you know, arguing across the stars.
I think that's pitch higher than it they're
really thinking. It's just they are, like, having
immediate attraction, but they're not gonna jump into
a relationship. It's just... Yeah. It's just like
a powerful first. Introduction. Yeah. It could've led
somewhere. It might lead somewhere. We Don't need.
They have chemistry. But, yeah. I don't think
they're planning a future. They're not planning to
spend the rest of eternity to get. It's
all at this point hyper perfectly. Oh, you're
right. That that sort of ground and brings
it back onto to earth, and it's like,
oh, hang on. No. This... I don't know
this brand on money giving me a ring.
But don't you think what they are actually?
But don't you think sort of cutting in,
but don't you think that they are considering
a future Together, when they're talking about... Oh,
my god, this spaceship is so amazing.
Are are you saying I could trouble the
the universe with you in this with you?
Could we have some kind of partnership? But
I don't think I don't think they're planning
a future in the way that you said
it's moving too fast and they're in love
by the end of 20 minutes. I think
they're just... They're planning a second date basically.
Like, look, I can show you the stars,
come travel with me in my spaceship, and
we'll see where it goes. I don't think
you're fully committing at this point. Because every
time he meets a new companion or brings
a new companion on board. It's not like
you are now on this hardest. The rest
of your life. You're only gonna interact with
me, you know, whatever. It's, yeah know, come
on some adventures with me. And I think
yeah. That's totally exception. They always for get
to go home in between. Maybe in in
the classics there there are some exceptions there.
I think in new area. It's always... Okay.
We'll go on adventure. I'll drop you back
home for a bit, going on liver then
adventure. We have a brew with your mom.
Yeah. Yeah. So it's... Yeah. But wait the
sea, We we can we can go to
the Riviera for a weekend if you want,
you know, more that kind of level.
That's... I see where you're getting at. I
I think you're you're right at least with
some of the companions, but I think there's
also a certain amounts of Hyper p here.
So when he refers to Ruby in this
episode, he talks about her as his best
friend. Like, oh, you mean, Ruby, she's my
best friend. You mean my best friend? Well,
is she... You've also mean, relatively speaking, known,
you know a short time,
and you've had lots of other people that
you've traveled with and that you've shared experiences
with? Is she your best friend? Or are
you only capable of dealing in extremes when
you speak with, well, in your relationship with
other people, so Ruby is currently your companion.
A aka, She's your best friend. This person
is someone you're flirting with and want to
go on a second date with. A aka
he's in love with with Rogue. And rogue
is in love with him. Is there something
to be said about that hyper? I think
he just very much lives in the moment,
so that when he says Ruby is my
best friend? I think he'd... Means it. I
think he believes it, but it's just very
much. She's my current traveling companion. We do
everything to together that. She's my current friend.
It doesn't mean that relationships. Stronger than the
relationship with previous companions.
It's just that as he mentioned, he's lost
everybody else,
Yeah. Which isn't is exactly true, like, not
everybody ends up dying, but they don't travel
with them anymore. So yeah. I think Rub
sees current best friend, which isn't that which
shouldn't diminish that relationship. It just means there's
been many best friends along the course of
his life. But totally me with you. The
second you said he's... He just lives in
the. Like, wait. How could I have been
so wrong? That's your love.
Late doctor. That's an amazing.
The the only thing I wonder as well
is I can't really think if they use
the term companion in show often or at
all? Is that we as the what as
a doctor who call these people companions. Mh
And they're always struggling to find a term
for them in show. And Well mcdonald's units.
Don't don't unit peeps refer to them as
companions, not all the time but often. I
feel like Ke goes will say, oh, Yeah,
They were his companions or traveling companions or
something like that. Possibly. I sure we've had
it where a companion like picks up on
that as well and they're like, companion. Is
that? Yeah. I... Well, I mean you said
it like that. I mean it imagine Donna
but... Yeah. Yeah. You're so right. I wonder
if companion is wielded as a term in
the Universe the same way that's... 1 of
those doctor who jokes is wielded in the
universe. Gary now is doctor doctor who, and
sometimes they will refer to people as companions.
But I feel pretty certain that units the
key specifically has used our as well. I
think you might be right, but I think
that also isn't a... Little bit telling because
it's a third party again, describing the doctor
and relationship with these traveling companions. And I,
yeah. I wonder if when you write that
dialogue as well when you're trying to say,
you know, these 2 people are having attraction
between each other and they're flirting with each
other for him to refer to Ruby as
a companion, Does it stand out like A
I sore thumb if you don't address it?
It's not like a romantic companion. Yeah a
traveling companion. I don't know. Oh my god
you're totally right yours. So right. If I
was at the club with, like, my guy,
best friend, and Cute boy came over to
towards me. I'd be like, oh, no. He's
my best friend. Don't worry about it. Like,
it's a way of being, like, I've not
romantically interested in this woman that I was
dancing with. She's just went right.
That's a super good reading of it. Yeah.
Well, I think we've nailed that 1. Yeah.
Oh, there we go. That's I mean, if...
It's about it out the park.
Under the net.
Things that that I'm just rum eating on
as far as rogue is concerned. Mh. So
do we ever get an explanation
about where and when he's from, like, is
he human? And is he's probably from the
future. Right? I mean, he's listens to Cardio
Ben. He's got dungeons and dragons He refers
to cosplay as an ancient tradition, right? Ancient.
So he... Yeah. Is he from the far
flung future and is he human? I assume
so because his technologies.
Sorry. I don't know if he's human or
not? I I still... I think we had
this conversation on a previous episode. I still
basically assume. Someone who looks human is human
and unless tote otherwise. Yeah. And I I
think that mostly pans out. I think the
exceptions are normally time law. Most of the
other time they have alien species. Like we
have in this. Like they look like bird
people or cat people, you know, they're green
or whatever. Yeah. You're right.
So I assume he's human. I was skimming
we could wikipedia do a little bit to
see if there was much trivia about this,
and I'd Didn't find too much, but
I know when... I think he's called Jonathan
G. Hope think got that right. Yeah mind
hunter guy.
Was cup Matrix.
Yes.
Ring cremation re yeah. Yeah. Exactly. What's a
new 1 called? Matrix something.
Matrix for no. Resurrection There you go. Yeah.
That's the 1. Out of they? He
He's the new agent Smith. Yeah. Yeah.
Unfortunately the film itself is quite forget. So
move. Yeah
Yeah...
Yeah yeah. He's also a King George in
Hamilton Hamilton. Hamilton.
Yeah. He's also an incredibly charismatic man. The
I say this the last time we recorded.
He was on Seth Meyers on late... Late
night I with Seth Meyers or the whatever
tonight with Seth meyers. It the night
before or the night after
Shooting Ga was on Seth Meyers, And they
are... Those 2 are like best friends, and
they were both so immensely charismatic.
You want nothing but to be their buddies.
The
great. Absolutely lovely. That you want to be
his buddy.
Anyway, the, the I think Bread was... Calm
down.
Just his goody.
When he was cast, there were rumors that
he was the new jak harness.
Ice thought so as well. Since or something
like you even when you watch this, I
didn't think it every time, but you can't
watch that through the lens of this is
a jack heartless like character. Her in some
respect. I mean, he's way cooler and more
charismatic than Jack ever was. In my opinion.
Yeah. Jaguar, this is more of a almost
a parody of this character
true. Yeah.
He he's slightly less serious
take on. This is the Chris nolan version
of Jack Hog.
But Yeah. But I absolutely thought that they
were of the same
profession, You know, agency isn't Jack or wasn't
Jack har a time agent of some sorts.
As...
Nope. Super far removed from a time traveling
bounty hunter, but, yeah, this guy's got a
little bit of a console or quality to
him on top of that.
Incredible.
And I got probably bad for to handsome
is. Sorry? He's so handsome.
You still answer he could be a news
costa
in Sweet Valley.
Sorry?
You could.
Yeah. I just like that there's, like, backstory
as well that we don't know. Is that
or your ships supposed to be manned by
2 people, but it's now Yeah. Or mess
and like, who, what's the story there? There's
lots of game around this character. Don't else
about it shit. I'm sorry. Tilly about sheep.
This is an episode in which the bodies
are birds. Their bird It's a bird themed
episode. And the shift looks like a bird,
like, of all the times to brand a
spaceship according to birds. This wasn't it. This
was not the right.
For. I... Actually, I would like nothing missed.
Can't so
Yeah. I would actually like to submit this
movie as a possible
0.1
deduction because I I feel like his spaceship
was just not.
Like... Yeah. I don't know. I feel like
it could have been anything. Like, Leon right.
It could have been anything else. And I
also, I found it quite turning and a
bit odd given that Disney is now giving
some budget that it just... It sits there.
We do a little graphic reveal of it
being quote not quote. And then the only
other thing we get of it besides the
interior is doc sat on a a step
going. Oh, yeah. I'm just piling it out
around the moon. We don't see a a
dick bird of it. There's no little 1
trouble or anything.
No movement of this, no concept of how
this thing would look in flight or anything
like that is just yeah Yeah. No out.
Yep. That's right.
I take your proposal under consideration, and I
reject it because I had no problem with
really the ships. Secondary. It doesn't affect how
much I love the upset. I mean, so
there's a small plot point, but there's dialogue
around the ship. You they're comparing the shed.
Yeah. Which I love. And I love the
shed being, like camouflage
behind. A tree.
It's like it's gonna that a very nice
tree.
But the Hang not sorry. Can we just
return to the giant bird ship? How does
no 1 notice the giant but it's a
giant?
You just said the shared is hidden by
a behind a tree, but for a good
amount of time. He cl his enormous birch.
Yeah. And there's just a gigantic
birch it ends a gold.
I wonder.
It re cloak as soon as they I
go on board. Yeah. I would assume as
well. He's he's.
Arresting or, you know, capturing doc thinking job
done. Yeah. How many people or... And everyone's,
but they're all inside watching the dancer, you
know, one's in the globe. Only When you?
It be a scandal. How you watch? The
only people in the garden are people having
sm.
And then not looking for ships. All that's
happening in this episode. That's
In the maze. Yeah. Are you telling me
that of all the people. In attendance of
this party. And with all the windows in
this grand
region state, there's no 1 looking out through
1 of them, and there are no no
2 or more people having switches together in
the maze. No one's there just going for
them sort this there isn't a gardener having
a midnight stroll through the garden of, I
don't know, plants and potatoes or something. The
the what's...
Yeah. I I don't know. I'm looking at
straws, and there's no point yet. Use quite
subtraction 0.1, yeah. No. Plenty potato of.
Yeah rightly leon. Minus 0.1.
I really thought that would know. I fully
argument.
This is the ben of the season.
Everybody always eyes on Madam whatever. And lady
Ruby
the... Yeah.
Yeah.
Nobody's looking at a window. Like. We we
will just be singing praises. So... I'd Update
the odd opportunity here I can to to
say, Some negative things. What about the motivation
of these... So shoulder people burden. Oh, and
the escalation of suddenly, they're gonna take over
threaten the planet whatever, and some point the
justification of rogue, a doctor let Ruby die
because of the threat of these. That's... This
is my biggest beef. It... Yeah. The threat
of if we let them do this, then
it might this, and that might that
and eventually
in a thousand days, the whole will be
destroyed is like that's not a big enough
gamble
for you to push to put on your
best friend. To I agree. To even contemplate
it And I don't think he does though.
I think he's literally is in this bind.
He doesn't have a plan b. And I
don't think he ever a would push a
button on Ruby. And so it's rogue that
comes in and jumps in and say today.
Well, yeah... I think that's nonsense by the
way. Well, Sorry Go ahead. Sorry. Sorry. I
just... It's... That's the part that's not very
doctor Hue because he's... The solution to this
problem came from Rogue in the terms of
this transporter and doc fin fernando it with
the Sonic screwdriver to make it bigger, but
he hasn't done any... Clever. He hasn't got
a plan b. He hasn't got a way
of... No. He like rogue golden idol in
raiders of the lost ark Ruby out of
there. Clever And and apparently, that's possible. But
up until that point, it was impossible, Like
your feet was not. If it were constantly
possible, why not just collect Alright, Everyone they
put rooms I'm gonna replace you with a
chester drawers or something.
Like, it it should be so easy to
get her out of there. Well, I just
stepped out of your shoes, ribs.
Yeah. Here's a top where she will have
stepped out of there. In fact, it's just
a occur to me. We had. A kind
of representation of this earlier in this series
with doc on a mine, and...
Yes.
On I'm very careful about weight, and it
was a big plot point exchanging, or balancing
stuff, so he could put his leg down
and all this you know, don't got a
true. Yeah. And here and the here is
just treated as a little bit of a
ham. It's like, no know it's fine. She
can be replaced. He's a hero. He dove
and dress. Skewed her,
full body
shu at her out of the way whilst
at the same time,
displacing her weight with his, and it all...
And it can only hold 6 people. So
when there were 7 of them in there,
it had to shu 1 of them out.
So... But why didn't it. Why didn't it
shu to out 1 of the bird people?
Like, how do you... Because he pushed Ruby
out at the same time.
It makes
works.
But I think I would allowance is fred
working.
I would have accepted it more if he
jumps on it and then pushes. Her out.
There is now a seventh person, and then
he can push someone out to get it
back down to it. You know. He does...
That's what... That's that I want. He doesn't.
He'd shoulder up her checks her out of
the place and then goes in. No. It's
1
is years much bigger than she is. What
kind of matter displacement are we talking about?
Here. Like, why is that okay? Why isn't
Ruby ejected and also a wing from 1
of the bird people. Or the
What when he tries to push Out of
that, why aren't her feet still stuck in
there and she is outside of the triangles?
Scream
bloody
And just don't worry about a dog in
my spaceship. I've got foot reg growers. It's
like, Okay I no worries. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah.
Now find. My underneath disappears.
I I like what you were saying before
though. I completely agree with you. I don't
I never felt the tension, like, the risk
of if they are allowed to get away
with it here, the entire... Human species is
f. I never felt that was the case.
It might have been the case that it
will be really difficult to find them because
they can shift shape
and they'll go somewhere else. I mean... But
there was a classic episode. I forgotten the
title, but it had messi in it. It
was the most convoluted oh, ever. It's 1
of the... It's a Z episode. Cons. It's
Sai. Yes. Yeah. And science Scotland.
Are basically going to try and replace Again...
Shifting. Yeah. Someone... They're gonna replace the Un.
I think it was. Or the Un or...
You know? Yeah. And it's... Okay. It's So
you're currently in Scotland,
Jo.
You're gonna go into
Pc bun. I don't know. And it's this
they're all kind of... Reverse Russian doll of
power play to get into a position where
everyone is good gonna believe You're the person
you're in imp... Fascinating and gonna start a
war and it's... I mean, there are billion
people on the planet. If you just think
can taking control of 5 of them, it's
gonna somehow be enough. I don't know. It's
just... Yeah. I mean, great episode by the
way.
But self such a sold episode. Gonna see
if I can find that. I can't remember
what it was called now. I'm gonna search
for the nes.
It's terror of the icons. It's terror.
Just search for the nicely and I found
it. Because like plan b if if if
you're not doing what we're gonna, we're gonna
release Nasty.
I. Oh, wow. Oh my goodness bonkers. Oh,
maybe I should watch them This sounds great.
If The t z icons, which we summarized
on Hub wan as the trustee of the
Golden H Lucky dip commands a lac Lo
ness monster in a bid to this destroy
the environments.
Perfect.
Yeah. So
Need to watch it. It's tomorrow.
Worth it worth every minute. Wait. Hang on.
Where where we? Oh, yeah. Right. K. So
we never had the the risk of them
going out and taking over because it wasn't
We can't allow for the same kind of
absurdity as in a Tom baker cereal. This
has taken much more seriously, and therefore, the
sort of a to b to c of.
They're in a regency state, they're now going
to imp the prime minister, or they're gonna
imp various world leaders around Europe,
and step 3 end of mankind or humankind,
that no longer makes sense because it's not
silly enough to allow for that.
But but I also don't fully buy the...
Like, this is part of what we were
talking about before that the whole... The relationship
between Doc and Rogue. To me is a
little too rushed. I think it's too soon
for rogue to sacrifice
himself. Like, we don't really know him that
well yet so his sacrifice seems almost pointless.
And not pointless. It seems like... He doesn't
know enough about the doctor to know that
he exactly.
Has the capability of finding him. It's very
he's very trusting.
He has mori he's seen his shed. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, you've got such a cool shed.
You must be, like, smashing
space travel and things. Yeah. I don't know.
That's quality.
Because he also... He doesn't even know. Who
gall friends are, who time also? That would
be a thing. If he knew... He thought
he did just understood. I I thought there
was a bit of dialogue where doc has
described himself as I'm a time lord, you
know, of the ancient gall or something and
then rogue throws it back at him and
says, oh, ancient ghana, whatever that is or
something like that.
Because that brings me to my next big
plot.
Or, not plot but question. I don't understand
is... So we're in rogue.
Spaceship, the bird.
It's in the little triangle,
quantum locked and can't escape, and he's acting
very chill about it, and he's got
seconds to,
you know, he's gonna be dissolved in the
vat of.
And he's been accused of being a shaped
shifter. And so to prove he's not a
shape shifter.
He shows... Oh, here are all the faces
I've ever had, and it all just get...
I think it's... Right there's something odd about
it. Where. He says I'm not a shape
shift. I'm not a whatever they're called shoulder
or children or whatever.
And rogue scans him the spaceship says, yeah.
This guy has had other shapes before he
is a shape shifter. So he's like, well,
there you have it. You're a shoulder, and
then doc shows his past shapes. And they're
all
in in massive
quotes, Gall
faces, and not 1 of those faces is
a bird, I think is essentially what would
take away from that. And that that's when
he says, I'm not a shoulder. I am
the last of the Time Lords. I am
a time lord of gall, and
just seeing all those faces and hearing him
say that I think resonates with rogue to
the point where. Oh fuck you are 1
of those people, as opposed to y shape
drift who changes into animals. If you've got
you've got... Tim's got a quote up Right.
Well, I just wanna wanna finish this line
of thinking because I also don't fully buy
that as satisfactory
explanation in show because I think if there
had been... The showing of all of the
point, the regeneration and doctor adding something, I
a align dialogue, It probably could have been
dealt with okay. Because what to say that's
not just the last 14 human that he
shaped didn't.
Yeah. This particular set shoulder have, yeah, just
being shapes shifting into humans. A never slight
pep peeve don't have to discuss this now.
You know, the fact that they appear as
birds at all in this cereal is kinda
buy the by. Like, they don't have to.
They could just be humans the entire time.
And, you know, what technology is road using
and what does doctor due to it to
show the different shapes that these beings can
be, and why, you know, why does it
then seem okay when a time loads
regeneration appear all vaguely humanoid. You know. I
don't know. It it won't, very convincing. Is?
I think it's just more naive than that.
Sorry. What was that? Sorry? I said it
didn't feel very convincing at that point in
the episode anyway with that. Okay. Amount of
information. I mean, I agree with you, but
I think Not but. And I think it's
meant to be taken more naive than that.
I think when we see all the faces
rotating and he says, I and the last
of the time lords of Gall.
I think we're supposed to read between the
lines would just interpret that as whatever's happening
somewhere in this room on a screen or
even just in the air, like in in
the ambiance in this room mean there's cockpit.
Is convincing enough for rogue the rogue buys
it. That's all it has to be. Why
not just have that little bit extra because
I mean, this was 1 moment that took
me a little bit out of the episode.
Like, The other things we're picking apart. Actually
I didn't really care about. Like, I was
enjoying this. The stuff so much. And like
this, I don't really care about too much,
but it was enough to, like, to just
pull me out the episode a tight, you
know, ever... So
a small amount. And I think just showing
a little thing on screen that, like, docs
changed his scanner and it it correctly identifies
him as Gall friend or something. You know,
you can literally just show that word, time
lord Gall friend, whatever. Yeah. In the same
way we've seen docs scanning Ruby, we seen
Docs going Amy in previous, you know, things.
Yeah. To give some confirmation now that Dock
isn't a shoulder. And then you can elaborate
on it. Don't... You can still have all
the rest of it, him talking about his
regeneration and who he is, you know? And
then it would feed into why if... Rogue
was then aware of the Gall and the
time lords and, like, what that meant, than
him having, like such faith in the doctor
to be able to find him would sit
a bit better. Yeah. I... This is the
quote I've got to fall back on. So
when Robes in the Tar Rogue says. And
this from the ancient and fallen world of
Gall free. Where the hell is that? So
rogue doesn't know.
About gala... Doesn't know where it because it
got lost. He knows all lot about it.
No where it is.
I mean, hang on.
No.
I I think they brought it that Rogue
doesn't know who time loads are. I I
not even sure if they're trying to get
it and the seasons that know of does.
They're really doubling down on dock being last
of the time lords.
More so the previous seasons and Yeah. I
think you're ready about that. Something else that's
happening, and it's something that's cow up in
other episodes. Is the the idea the notion
that if a time lord dies.
There's gonna be this massive explosion that kills
everyone.
I think that comes up here as well.
I Think I missed this though. I think
I miss that. Maybe I'm making it up.
Maybe it's in, maybe it's sitting in my
head. Jim get the script out.
Get the script up.
I did... I think... Because I feel like
dock is so nonchalant on in that whole
scene, and that's the scene where actually there
should be drama, like he's locked and anything
he can't get, Oh, the only control he's
got is over the music.
And he's just toy with the guys. Does
he never believed so he's gonna push the
button. He's always very that he can him
not too. But I'd always the screaming like,
come on. You need to... You're gonna die
or to come command and get out of
the so bloody idea, but he uses his
remote. He's a remote. He is screwdriver to
access the stereo, but then give up the
remote and the only way that he can
get things to actually scan him properly is
by throwing something at a box. Yeah. You
had a son battle small. So should be
very.
At that, I did really... I wondered what
you would think about that that you just
so willingly just Davis sonic its crude screwdriver.
No. I worry don't. You should give it
that away, but then you should have a
better sell make. It's Specifically Tom Baker's or
John Per on it and you have that
in your back pocket and then you can
use that to scan yourself. What is the
script say? Cool. I haven't found a thing
about him going boom.
Maybe I have made this up. Because, actually,
I have kind of, I'm struggling to also
find out.
Confirmation. What is meant to happen at this
point? Because I know doc doesn't want to
kill the shoulder,
but this is like a that's sport. All
of this thing is a transport to tri.
That's a transporting to the inc. I'll, transport
into exactly is the idea. Okay And then
he saw,
like, engineers is here Too No. That's true.
He's gonna be sent somewhere else, and then
he'll explode there I guess. I'm I must
be mis
that that part. Yeah. And I'm perfectly happy
to be wrong. I've got more questions about
this scene though. For example, what's his face?
Rogue.
What's it the titular character.
He says, I don't know the context, but
I've written down part of the quote. He
says something like blah blah blah, so much
paperwork ever since we got that new boss.
Do you think that we're gonna learn something
about who is Bosses who has recently taken
over that business and, like maybe sent Rogue
his way or... Maybe that... Be something that...
Track him down. Maybe you'll go to the
boss, and you'll figure out a way. I'll
be like, oh, yeah. All of my agents
have trackers on... You must have paperwork. That
says exactly where every
leads to or every whatever leads to, try
transporting singing. Yeah. Maybe that. Okay. But, yeah.
That that also stood out to me as
a... Oh, okay. There's a positive of information
here that we're gonna be told later. So...
Yeah. Exactly. But There there are lot here
that come back rogue. Can be followed up
on. I'm I'm just so worried they're not
going to be. But Yeah. A part a
part of that is because of who Plays
Rogue is are they gonna grab him back
again? Do did they already sign him on
to do something else? If not, then that's
probably blue already screwed. Anyway, That's just... I
hi my hope. My dream is that they
give him a whole series, duck and Rope
just travel together. He's like the new really.
And
fell why. Oh I see Okay. That will
be incredible.
So so, like, a series of doctor Hu,
not a spin off show where it's just
the...
It would be. Oh, no. Well, if it's
got the dark. Like a doctor anything? Yeah.
You're right Sorry. I I said what why?
Because I thought wait, why would we have
a spin off? No. Keep doctor
doctor Doctor Exactly. Yeah. Okay. He could be
the new river. He could just drop in
every other episode or so and just Yeah.
That'd be nice. Okay. Well, cut...
Okay. Sorry. Can't, do you have more questions?
I do have more questions. So... How do
you feel about? 3 things, the third of
which applies to multiple characters in this episode
and is a bit of a... Problem for
me. The first 1, not a problem at
all. D d, but it's a little gratuitous
so we're gonna speak to the nerds. Kylie
Men, gonna have a a lot of Kylie
in this episode. And
specifically
the term cosplay playing? Okay. Like, why do
even aliens
use the term cost? Like, why it cosplay
playing? Would nigga
oh, wow. This is something for me. White?
Yeah. The aliens are watching
Bridget.
So from 20 24 is being beamed across.
However, many galaxies and has taken Millennia to
reach them.
And so it's the same era with Cosplay
as well. So that's why they're know about
Cosplay. We are lower from Ob plus I.
Exactly. Yeah.
Why Well, maybe I don't be... Because I
don't... Are you suggesting that the birds are
also from the future. Sorry. Yeah. But from
a different... Yeah. I think they offer
They racial yeah. Why not? I mean, isn't
a kind of. Do you you know why
not? Is everyone in this episode of time
traveler? Yeah. Why not? They... Because they've seen
this
they've seen this period in history
from the... From... It's not 18 13. It's
a bridget version of 13, like the music
and everything, like they're seeing Bridget.
And then they're going back in time to
when that was made,
like, the period is based on,
the episodes of bridge. And went through a
wormhole
and and come back into 18 13 and
the other side of the universe
Okay. So this thing is actually. But so
they are actually from 18 13, but from
a different planet. I I honestly feel like
it doesn't really matter. I think what Says...
I think it matters hugely
that they've seen something and they're trying to
imitate it. Like, they are very aware of
what is going on and they want in
on it. Yeah. Yeah. But but the other
thing is... Think they ever say the word
cosplay. I think the docs says called. They
do. And I think Oh, they do. I'm
I'm absolutely certain. Jim Ko? Script.
Do. He's on commander s for a cosplay.
I'm sure that... Cosplay, the term cosplay is
used by rogue. I think is also used
by the heads pot bird. What was like,
I can't wait to cosplay. Oh, it's
to me, the it it genuinely took me
out of the scene, having an alien use
the term cosplay.
Give that man
gold cover biscuit
because you have actually remembered the worst line
of dialogue from this episode.
Because the duck causing.
Yeah. Use the tone. Yep... When she says,
we're going to cause this planet to death.
Yeah. That's a terrible line. I wish they
wouldn't call it cosplay. Also, a gold covered
biscuit is that's so mean. Oh, I love
biscuits.
More salt gold. I'm sorry. Sorry. Well, thank
you. Wrapped in gold with a little latch
to open it so you can get the
biscuit and close it up get vega. Oh,
now I'm on
I love
biscuits. I described the
So... But yeah. But anyway, returning to the
cosplay of it all, I wished the aliens
wouldn't wouldn't call a cosplay. Like, because costly
That's that's speaking to all the people who
are going to conventions to dress up to
cosplay as people from this episode. Just like
D d speaks to a certain amount of
people. The audience were back into D. It
it just feels a little gratuitous. Like the
D d aspect of feels particularly gratuitous actually
because in that never factors in. Like, the
Rogue never shows any talent as a storyteller
quite the contrary when he's expected to do
in storytelling he, like, really climbs up. And
he doesn't ever... He's never faced with a
situation with where, like, oh, god only we
could pick a random number between 1 and
12, and then, oh, 0, if Only we
had a device that could do this and
then you had to throws d 12. Like,
we were never faced with that situation, that
would be amazing.
Slick why make him into Dungeons and dragons
on his own with a fuck kind of
boring and really sad dungeons and Dragons campaign
as that.
I'm my own trip on gender master. Oh,
sad. I also think the the point you
made about him being shit Storyteller is so...
So true, and it's so awkward when he's
oh know how to do this. But also
what kind of a bounty draw you? You've
never had to pretend a bit in somewhere
your... I mean, that's what he's trying to
do at the start? Yeah. You would never
have got his p. How would you found
without talking to someone 1. He's just to
them watching them
until they reveal themselves. Yeah. Like he's an
integral part of your job, dude.
And This is a great
line of inquiry. What was his plan.
I'm gonna stand on this balcony in the
unlucky dead air until someone approaches me and
reveals themselves. Yeah.
Maybe like pockets full of seeds, hoping that
birds will falling. Sorry. What was that Gym
paste?
Maybe if he looks enigmatic enough, then they'll
wanna cosplay him.
Yeah.
No. Yeah. That's exactly it. Yeah actually. Yeah.
Oh, look looking away trying to be a
bit dev air and... Yeah.
Anyway, can I
and d thing?
Because...
I haven't played D d like, as a
pen and paper thing. I come... I played
a lot of computer games. And the thing
Yeah. Actually if it stands out to me
now we're talking about it is if you
played and if you play or you play
a game or whatever. You name your character.
If you were really into D and d,
you don't know how
Lovable rogue character that you always play and
he Well, you.
You know, and isn't that the name you
would give yourself? You're playing that character? You
don't go with the class name is I
don't turn up as warrior.
Or
magician. You know? I only played D d
once. I've only participated in 1 campaign and
I was at the time a rogue.
I was a light foot half rogue named
Bart Rockefeller the third. And I never ever
introduced myself as a rogue.
Yeah. He should have said, hello, I'm Both
Be rocket another third. Precisely. Exactly.
Good point. Mom.
Gonna write that well. We're on my list
on.
4.9
take that episode.
But... Because you could've still made the same
joke. I mean, I do like that it's
called rogue, and I do like the he's
called rogue to be fat. I think it's
quite he's kinda sweet. But you could have
to add his character sheet pinned to the
wall and it it would be, like, wait.
Yes. You're not really...
By following your Rockefeller the third. That's just
your D d currently.
Sure.
Anyway, Okay I get what you're saying, Leon?
I think they were
gratuitous references that all although those... Wait. They
they spoke Kylie. Can we go back Kylie
was not gratuitous. Yeah. God Kylie was excellent.
I loved the Cal,
and I think because Rogue is... A time
traveling
space.
Bon hunter sorry.
Maybe he's trying to, like, fit into different
eras. So he's like, oh, maybe his last
gig was in the na, and he's like,
I gotta get down with the music of
the time, and then he just discovered by
Kylie. And he's like, oh, this is a
jam. Like, yeah. I guess I'm kylie on.
You just pitch picture like, flying around on
his own in the space. Just like dancing
your way Kyle o. I think that's a
really fun image. I I agree. Yeah. I
agree. III wonder if the kylie thing I
know that I'm not the only 1 who
thinks this. I did see this somewhere online.
That the kylie thing is is a reference
back to when Kai was on the show.
So of all the musicians they could have
checked someone who was AAC
host at 1 point or, like,
the c c the companion yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Yeah. But... Okay. Is this actual song. Being
in doctor Who before. I can't remember that.
Oh, good question.
I don't remember.
I've...
They've had contemporary... Songs in quite a lot
in knew who, particularly when Rt has helm
it. I don't know. But anyway, yeah. I
very much enjoyed that whole.
Interaction whereas, you know, it's set up as
a guilty pleasure of Rose and Doc is
teasing him and dancing along, and then he's
singing along does it gives us it's another
cute
quick way of seeing into his personalities. Or,
you're until like Notice Disco music, whatever
No. No Sorry. Sorry Sorry. Sorry. Go it.
Sorry. No. Gone. How was that. Apparently clunky
you out of my head has appeared in
a, an odd kind of bonus.
Episode to the Bbc
webcast version of S in which
there's a... If you do a search for
Conquer get you out of my head, doctor
Yu. There's an animated
30 what I haven't clicked it now. But
there's an animated 31 second clip of... In
fact, you guys are getting blurry. I'm gonna
close the tab. My bandwidth is terrible. Sorry.
Of, apparently all the characters in S are
dancing to can't get you out of my
head. Oh, 0
okay. And that was 9 years ago that
was uploaded to Youtube.
Wow wow
Okay. Not the only musical number in this
episodes. We have that. And then we have
the dance scene between Dock and Rogue. How
do you feel about the dancing scene when
everything goes black and silent head. Love you.
A lot. It was really crying.
But plus naught 0.1. Gonna knock off 1
of my negative.
Go, how do you feel about it? Are
you in agreement? Yeah. I I think you
I think the production values of this were
mostly quite subtle. All, I think throughout the
episode. I don't know if the direction was
doing anything in particular. So it it stands
out as a scene where... Or I think
you're almost not even aware of it. I
I don't think I was first time around.
I think even second time round, you suddenly,
at some point you kind of catch on
the... Oh, hang on. Everyone else has gone.
We're just watching Dock and Rogue. And I
think both times, it caught me off guard.
Because I had been absorbed in their
absorption of each other sort of thing. I
don't know. It worked incredibly well for me.
Both times. It was like, it just... Drags
you in and suddenly, you're there with them
realizing no 1 else is that. It nice.
Interesting. Yeah. It it works amazing.
Well, I I thought it was a little
bit too long seen, like in general yeah.
Mh. But... And I I don't think that
it was super well executed, but I get
what they were going for, and I really
appreciated that, frankly really artistic nature of that
scene of changing the tone entirely, in a
way that wasn't as
horrific in your face as changing the tone
for the ending dance number at whatever or
the devil's cords. This changed the tone in
a much more taste way. And I, yeah.
I can see what they were aiming for.
I I just don't feel like it was
I'm I'm not sure I thought it was
well executed. I I also watched this episode
twice, and it didn't... The second time admittedly,
I thought it was a better scene than
the first time, but I still felt, like,
This is a, like a cheaper made for
Tv version of the cinematic scene that they're
trying to make. Thoughts. This if That to
me. Interesting. But I love the dancing scene.
I love their chemistry in general. I love
the flip flirting. I love dancing scene. I'm
I was freaking up applaud when they had
their sm. It was great. Maybe, you know
what I would've have...
I know I wouldn't have... I know it
would have been ana.
But Won't get interrupted. No. They had the
speech as well. The second time. Yeah... But
yeah. Exactly. The signal that. Before he golden
idol himself, he kisses his dog, road kisses
his dock, and then he
jumps in. Oh, no. Rub. Yeah. Legs get
chopped off at the ankles uncles, and then
he it eject himself. It it's Rogue rouge
to get the... Yeah.
Button off him. Yeah. Off top. Yeah. Yeah.
Is that the only reason?? Not depth But
I think know. Not
not downplay that he didn't wanna kiss.
No. Right. I like that the first. Time
they're about to kiss that it gets interrupted
because like, oh, so much tension tension it's
right there.
Interrupt us. It's done so well. As well
because they get interrupted
and Rogue is still into it. Like, I
can't remember if Rogue still has his eyes
closed
but it's dock that you can see he
has a choice is I can ignore a
distraction, and I can carry it on, and
he chooses basically of no this these dealing
with,
I'm not gonna take the the snatched quick.
Yeah. Moment here that Yeah isn't gonna be
as meaningful. I'm gonna keep carry on with
the thing that needs happen and may, you
know, maybe this will happen again, but, you
know, whatever. I don't I don't know. It's
there's a lot. So happens in that. And
a lot of it is, oh, probably carry
99 percent of it is shoot he's acting
in that moment. It's... There's a lot that
comes across his face and movements and stuff.
It's really good. Yeah. I had this, like,
at the back of my head, and I
I had when I was watching it both
times as well. I think I've been quite
outspoken about romance with the doctor in the
past. Most of that, I think was, like,
when it was Doc Rose.
And it was... Or it's Dock Donna not
being romantic, and it's just shut down your
throat. I think we talked before Martha,
it was a bit more believable that, you
know, she
a usa save time marie. Of course, she
would fall in love the dock because it
wouldn't come command. Yeah. But even with the
negativity of, like, hal he done stuff in
the past, it kept surprising me how much
I enjoyed this. I don't
want romance in doctor 2, not with the
doctor in specifically, you know, anyway. I don't
know. But it's like this, I think river,
they kinda got it right. They've they've started
They know how to pitch the dock against
someone who's is at the same level, and
I don't know. You can see that there's...
An equal footing. There's no power dynamics going
on or whatever, and it just... Yeah. In
1 episode. I don't know. It surprisingly me
how well they pulled out. I think that's
exactly what Was trying to say was like,
I I really dislike when they try and
do any romantic stuff with the doc and
the companion
because it always feels wrong, and the companions...
Always thousands of years younger than the doctor
and really
inexperienced and just end up power so off.
But when you've got someone that is is
the equal. I Yeah. I you know that
River is my all time favorite story lining
doctor who. I love doctor Romance, but when
it's done right, and I feel like this
was done really nicely.
I I couldn't rem all. I'm same page
club where friends who agree with 1 another.
I just wish we had more time with
it. Yeah. And I still wish. I still
think that we might get more time with
them. He... I think it's to the to
the detriment to the character dynamic that we
don't get it right away. But I imagine
that we will get... Something over it. Surely,
Dock is gonna continue wearing this ring. And
so even if we don't get that character
coming back, which I think would be a
massive loss, to the show, certainly to this
doctor. Yeah. But he'll still have the ring,
so there needs to be something even in
rogue absence
where he Ponder
where he's reminded of broke out there because
now they've set it obviously something that means
something to do. I really wanna, like, just
watch his hand for the whole next couple
of episodes. Exactly. But like... Is he just
little in with.
Yeah. That's so regularly they've paid attention.
Yeah. No... Yeah. I totally forgot about it.
I don't think I've overlooked at it. When
me watching the finale episodes. It it is
even on his hand, Landline web breeze it.
Yeah. Times. I've had a bizarre call into
my brain. Okay. Don't have to dwell on
it if you don't want to. It's just
a hyper that's cool what if what if
broke is the master.
No come on
no.
Oh.
No. I I was gonna say. I love
I was gonna say what if rogue?
Is 1 of 1 of rivers regeneration that
we haven't seen yet.
That would be cool. Alright. Wait. I'm right.
Yeah. Wait. What Dr regenerate? Does she regenerate?
Yeah. She's because she's like Male. She's Amy
Rory B at school and then she turns
into River? Are, yankee?
You have to be... So it has to
be before male. It have to be before
mel because we see her as mel as
like the first 1. And she's also a
bounty hunter and she and she trained... I
mean, basically to kill the doctor. But oh,
is the time travel
her, and the doctor is her bounty, and
but she catches him and then
force ridge Ro charm, and always let them
go. And that's exactly what happened this time.
Oh my god. Oh my god. Right? Ro
river.
I'm loving this.
Is if romance that keeps on giving.
Oh, my god. Okay. Ltd. I'm assuming you're
still at the drawing board for series 2.
Series 2 quote quotes. God. I'm sorry. I
use that turn. Thank
you're listening to this. You know where to
take the show. That's a great idea. That's
a fantastic idea. I love it. I still
wanted to be to master.
I love that idea as well. I can
totally see him being the master just for
that massive.
Andy climax for Doc who's been waiting to
find his love, and then he does, and
it turns out, out. Just ploy you along.
And It rogue slash the masters
new boss who forces all the paperwork could
be the Ronnie who picks up the masters
gold twos. At the end of the toy
maker episodes. Yeah. Give be the boss.
I mean, just to fill you in on
how my brain works. It was because we
were talking about the ring and that the
ring to me associated with, like, ming the
mer. I think when me mer eyes. There's
a ring left. Which man maybe you think
of the tooth of the master.
Of it. It's just like... Yeah. Very nice.
Also, have a theory brother the ring. So
the ring could be remember when the doctor
put his personality into a watch and then
became human, like, maybe the ring
contains the masters true personality. And so now
he's Rogue, aka, like, how the doctor was
John smith.
And he does love the doctor, and then
he's gonna put the ring back on and
he's, like Previous memories are gonna come back
and he's like, no. I'm even long.
Oh my god, and it could be super
interesting because the master would be made the
master again, but have the memories of when
he was the John Smith version of himself
and in love with the doctor. And instead
of the 2 of them being, like, childhood
friends and rivals and whatever, they're now almost
like star crossed lovers who are destined to
this joy 1 another, but they all
me out it's call we god. This is.
We are alive.
Writing
slash section of doctor gonna say. So again.
If this isn't the next series.
We're writing the.
Very good.
So, yeah, we haven't really touched on Ruby
and her
she has a nice little storyline
with
this Emily
character,
which I think is really cute.
So she invent the word cushion d in
18 13, which is Yeah. Well, like, a
cushion, which I think is so so cute.
Okay Emily. Yeah. And then... But the issue
I have with this is Emily's very sweet.
The 1.
Yeah. Exactly. When she... So when she is
introduced to the doctor, and it's like, here's
my phone emily
she knows where okay. And he... And he's
talking about all these high alien stuff and
the false phone feature and Blah. And she's,
I understood okay, and it's... And it gets
a good laugh laughing and it's she's in
cute. But then I didn't... I sort of
didn't like how she was then treated by
the dock because at some point, they're talking
about Tv. Like, they're talking about Bridget.
And just, like, em the Tv stuff and
she goes, oh, what's Tv. And he's just
very dismissive and he's just like, not now.
We don't have time for this. And actually,
At that point, nothing is imminent happening,
or he doesn't have time for us because
he wants to go and do his dance
with rogue.
And we've seen him interact with people from
that time period in the past, and he's
never just taught down to them. He's never...
I mean, this must be so much that
ruby doesn't understand because she's from 20 24.
And he has to to her. Like, oh,
this is how things happen in the future.
As Really used to doing that, and it
would take 2 seconds to be, like, Tv
is, like, pictures transmitted across the universe. Or,
like, you could explain it in a simple
way that someone from that time period would
understand. So I really didn't like
how she was sort of treated at this
kind of stupid,
like side character that was just tagging along
and wasn't really useful.
But then still had to be an evil
bird. So he was kind of right to
ignore her.
But still. I don't feel like it was
very doctor
to dismiss he.
Yeah. That's probably true. He he didn't even
try to patch it up with a lie.
There wasn't even a case of, oh, no.
You must have mis me. Or whatever, something
that is going to minimize the ripple effects,
the the changes that they're making to this
time period. There was nothing like that. You're
right. There was just, like, straight up dismissal
who was I think it would been really
call if she was, like, brought in as
a, like, she's almost like Ruby companion of
the week. So he has Rogue as his
companion of the week and Ruby got emily.
And it would have been me the court
see her. Sort if she now knows the
word C or uses the word C. Like.
Who cares. That they've changed the word gravity
to m at this point calorie. Ugh. Tiny
little tweaks like that... Yeah. It's not gonna
make any difference
Yeah. Yeah. He could've have just said, oh,
yeah. Those stories coming out of Pennsylvania wasn't
something like that. Tv signals. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah.
The
The okay bit made me think of... Have
you seen the film, the visitors, Levi with
Jean, and I don't know who else. They
made like tons of them, and they made
American versions of them as well. It 2
medieval dudes, nights or 1 night and his
nave. They encounter a sorcerer who curse them
somehow and sends them to present day in
19 nineties France. Either, it's the reverse. They're
in modern times as opposed to modern people
in past. And they also, they make a
huge deal of the learning the word okay.
And
the prevailing memory of a of 1 of
the main memories of my childhood is going
to the cinema and seeing this film and
seeing this nave just going, okay. Just
Okay. So Ruby otherwise then. So what we
said Ruby lighter episode this time. We had
very ruby heavy episodes quite recently. Was it
just her time to bail out? For a
week or did she still have... I still
feel like she did quite a lot of
stuff, Just sort. I wouldn't... I don't think
I'd call it a super ruby light. It's
just it's not duck and Ruby together. Oh,
that's true. Yeah. Sorry. I know you're right.
But, you. Storylines lines. But. I really liked
all the explanations of I how do I
know how to dance and then it's like,
yeah, you know, the psychic thing. And then
another kind of
activate battle mode was a little
cheesy.
It Yeah, let let's flip our earrings to
foreshadowing, click.
But anyway, but I like that she she
was clever enough and savvy enough. To, like,
not only get herself out of that situation,
but then to do the cosplay herself, but
she also says Cosplay
to fool everyone, But the thing is to
you're fooling everyone until you can find the
doctor again until you can catch a to
escape, and he spends a long time talking
about this tri system when they're all stood
there together. And he's like, yeah. Oh, look,
I've got this device and they're like, well,
don't you need 2 other devices and he's
like, oh, yeah. Look at my other vice
there. They are enough.
And nobody moves, which is really dumb. But
more specifically, Ruby doesn't say anything and Ruby
doesn't move, and it's like, obviously, vice This
is the point ruby. This is where you
go doc. I'm not dead. I'm here. So
evening me, and she just waits there until
it's too late to move and then tells
him, and it really me. It's like, just...
You've gotta... If you've got a pun, you've
gotta let him in on it so that
he
deliberately
robbed her of agency at that point. The
there multiple
bits around this as well that bother me.
So 1 is it is a ruby light
episode in the sense that I don't feel
Doc is looking out for her. This good
gone horrendous wrong. It's good that she has
enough agency that she can get us our
parts.
Situation. But doc is so sidetracked with rogue.
It feels very out of character actually that
he's not caring about what's going on with
the his companion.
Yeah. And especially given the flashback to kids
conversation with Ruby is more and the pro
promise that I'll keep safe and... Yeah. Definitely.
Yeah I'm and then I think there's kind
of AAA missing bit of, obviously, you meant
to think that she got zap
and we know that she's not gonna get
zap whatever. But then how does it go
from? She's smack the bird around the face
of a book to another bird has appeared
and
dragged her by... We're not dragged by the
arm, but, you know, it's now walking her
down the aisle effectively. It's like, there was
a bit in between where Yeah. Presumably, she
could have escape. Yeah. It's just, like sorry
meet them halfway of... Oh, he must have
come in at exact right moment, but didn't
see the birds around the face. And didn't
smell that she was human because they're... They're
talking about sara that the doctor
not spelling was senator
and they sent use throw a line of
psych earrings messing up with this. Yeah. I
know but it's that's bullshit. That's that is
Yeah. No. I I'm with you. I think
that's... Okay. Yeah. No. I don't buy that
until. Yeah. I think yeah. I think considered
that we don't know how she ends up
walking down the aisle.
It hasn't no dawn on me at all.
It's such a good point. Because what... Yeah.
What? When this other guy comes and is?
Okay. Let's get married now. Why does it
she be demo with her newly acquired battlefield?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. Yes. When These earrings
are shit. Surely she should be be able
to just save the day with them. Yeah.
Yeah. I feel like that's, yeah. That's why...
I mean, I don't believe it should have
been a 2 part. I don't know if
there's enough plot line to stretch out to
2 parts. But If there had been more
time, maybe we could have fleshed out rebate
story a it too. Yeah. I mean, that's
a fair point. I'm not I'm also not
sure if there's enough. Plots overall to
stretch across 2 episodes. I think there's enough
scope in the relationship the dynamic between Doc
and Rogue for 2 episodes, And I think
if you stretch it over 2 episodes, then
you can also allow Ruby to take person
that, which
she wasn't a part of it here. But
birds like taking what you. Yeah. I think
that there are ways I could see it
happening and Ruby could have been part of
it where... Because, obviously, they're talking about an
escalation. In their plans, they're gonna end up
and london and they're gonna take overall family
whatever. Is if she got captured by them
or is is forced to personally 1 and
then part 2 is she's in London trying
to, Yeah. Held hold up this mas, and,
you know, Like they could've have done a
2 part. I feel like, and it would
have given her more play with, like, she's
infiltrated them almost and becomes an insider or
something. Yeah. Whereas At the moment is... Yeah.
She's very much
around the periphery. Like, the story is obviously
written for Doc and Bro. And, yeah. Everything
else is ancillary. Of that including the the
sole though. Yeah.
I do really like the... When when she's
in the transporter and she realizes. She can't,
escape and docs like, breaking down and rogue
like, It's the only way, and she's very
composed and she's just like, it's fine. Like,
she just... She accepts her face and if
this is Wanting to having been, like, I
signed up for this. She's incredibly brave, and
I really respect that. I think I agreed.
What but she should also go. Wait hang
on. Left on Rush.
Right. But like, kim me. I still had
a little little bit of time
Am. I was this wasn't in indiana Jones.
Yeah.
Is that... Is this like that mine situation
where you were on a mind doc and
we played around with... Hi distributing the way,
you know. Yeah. Do you remember how I
spend a whole fucking episode with you on
that mind. Maybe don't rush check me.
Exactly. Yeah. Don't push the button doctor.
So but, yeah. I think even though we
don't get a lot of in this app
So I feel like it... I don't know.
It's interesting. This is, you know, totally different
writers, but whether Rt was overseeing, like, how
you write Ruby. But there is a consistent
thread of a moral character. And it comes
back at the end as well. Like, when
Duck has lost rogue, he allows himself a
brief little moment, and then he's just like,
Yeah. Right Okay. On onwards upwards an upwards,
and she doesn't let him. She absolutely will
not let him just paper over his emotions,
a move on. It's like, no. You need
to address this. You need to accept. Yeah.
You've lost something here. She gives him this
big hug and he immediately just is forced
to address what's happened
that's such a powerful thing to do. But...
And I think that great that does make
them feel like best friend. It's like, she
understands what he needs more than he's willing
to accept in that moment and, it was
an incredible thing for someone wanted to do.
Yeah. I've also just remembered something that we
were talking about, I think that you, know
brought this up from, like, the first time
I watched it which was just after we'd
finished
recording dot bubble. I think we watched it,
like, the... It came up the next day
or something. And you made the point to
be, like, in doc bubble. They're not, like,
they're not super helpful or concerned about the...
All the people that are dying, they're just
like, oh, this 1 person here. I don't
know
And then versus this time around, she's, like,
Ruby is the 1 that's going after the
dams and distress like she sees a woman
like, being followed by the guy that she
thinks is a bad egg, and she goes
after, and she tries to help her to
and she be her and like, that's how
our companion acts. Companions are companions because they're
compassionate. Usually, they always... That's true. For the
human side, that the dock is sometimes lacking.
Yes. I and with you on that. Yeah.
But
can I offer a bot? Okay. Boss, in
dawson bubble at the end of Dawson bubble,
ruby and doc both like, oh my god,
And why won't you let us help you
dock in particular obviously is like crying and
so frustrated
because they absolutely want to save the, you
know, the temporal
indigenous population, the people in that particular point
of in space. Yeah. Tons of people have
been murdered
they've been turned into just desi corpses by
a bunch of birds,
and
we don't see them offering any kind of
solace or therapy to the locals. There are
a bunch of people in really nice velvet
suits in their be comm forever.
And Jo and Ruby are not like can
we just sit down, we'll figure this out.
Have I taught you the word C yet?
There's absolutely nothing
and help them in safety?
Yeah. It's just saying were you okay doc.
Great. Let's f because these look ones they
are absolutely screwed.
Good point.
I almost missed all the locals disappearing as
well. I was so focused on doc
rogue gonna look. Like, they're in an empty
room. When did they leave Joe? But he's.
They do they do leave at some particular
point where it becomes particularly threatening. And I
think don't went talking. This leads to the
privatization of mental health care in London or
I'm sorry or wherever they are. Sorry. Sorry.
Go. I to you. No. It's good Yeah.
I I at some point between dock entering
and Ruby being exposed as Boob and,
life in danger, they go. Fight car members
exactly when. It does have...
Okay. Sure. But, the not
error.
The they're not gonna be well and also...
Do we know that there are no birds
among them? I'm not sure. I mean, there's
no absolutely not. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's is
it? 4 of them turn into their bird
personas and are happily running around and causing
havoc, and then emily turns afterwards. Mh. So
you then got... Yeah. There there should be
a real question of, like, howard do we
know we got them all? Yeah. Exactly. About
that guy.
Or there's lady over here. Hang on, Cheese.
You turning her head in a strangely bird
like way.
I have just 1 more nigga
negative that's really still a lot annoying. But...
Yeah.
It really bugged me when the woman, the
bird lady, it turns out that she's cosplay
as the servant,
and she's like, this is a stupid choice.
Why would I have ever done this all
I got to do is wash and
and it really annoyed me because there are
no in.
There are no servants or staff that they're
not characters. They're not... You would never choose
a servant to cosplay players if you're basing
on bridget because you wanna be the fancy
people that that's a down abbey thing. If
you were in down in Abbey
would totally cross urban because they're having all
the, like, gossip burnt downstairs,
and they have really interesting in the lives
as well. But even not what it was?
Be... Maybe she was a down abbey. And
didn't realize which
conventional they were going to.
Can I help?
Do you believe that they watched Bridget
in
Our time, and then they traveled back in
time to 18 13. To cause play as
bridget characters. Yes. That's okay. Yeah. Agree to
disagree. I've I think they are cosplay playing
as humans
not as
bridget characters. You I I think the Bridge
brazilian is like, real... I've never worked Bridget
so I don't know that. It's so bridget.
Million. If that's what's happening here, then I'm
am subtracting more points because I feel like
everyone your time travel led. This has to
be special somehow. This is that what makes
a protagonist special is that he yoshi she
or they can travel through space and time,
and if everyone else can as well, then
it makes it I'm listen
ent by it. Now the bird because the
bird people draw back and then that's why
rogue travel back because he's a time traveling
ban trees just been following them by 2
conventions. Like,
they also cost convention is. Yeah. 20 20
22
when the... I don't know. Happened 20 The
20 do 12 other... Oh, dude... No. They
don't talk about anything. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah.
It's a. But I... Yeah. I believe that
their time traveling, and they're just hopping around.
They're doing clean. Different periods of time because,
yeah. It's fine. It is positive as a
situation in the shows. Like, when Duck is
like, oh, my god, are drama on the
emotion, that's, you know, this is what they're
cosplay playing. And Ruby says, wait. So you
mean it's literally dressing up and playing it,
bridge and and docs says could be. I
mean, those Tv signals being over across the
start.
That if put for I apologize I retract
my hormone. But it's never cat firm afraid.
Don't take any points away though. Give them
point gut think.
I tell me what I'll remain stagnant. I
still haven't picked a rating, but I'll pick
something. Okay. Okay. On that note. Should we
try and rate this thing.
Let's...
And now it is time to read this.
Did we
ratings. I've learned this episode. I love everything
about this episode. When when raleigh
undo eyes burst me across the crowded
ballroom
and rug stood on the balcony with all
the roses perfectly framing him. I thought was
heavenly
I like called their banter. I like when
they were like,
no. You're the alien
threat whatever they... And they... No. You. No
was you.
Really cute. I like men goes into the
tar
and dot
the things you don't recognize are called services.
Thought that with a great
Lost.
I liked when the bog grabs doctor down
goes run, and he's like, no. That's usually
what I said. I just like everything about
them. I want to see a full series
with them both. I ship them so much.
I'm a stand.
I live when Roku goes find me at
the end, and if doc doesn't find him,
then I'm coming back, and I'm re recording
this review because I'm gonna
I'm gonna take all my points away because
I'm basing this on my heart is so
full of hope for these 2 young
going about the day.
I just want to live happily raft, and
if they
break my heart too, then I'll have to
come back and give it a really low
score. But at the minute,
really high, and I look...
And it's my favorite episode of the series
so far.
And I'm now looking at my list of
things that
the heck is. Okay. So I took off
minus 0.1
for the day... The threat level wasn't good
enough. To justify
potentially leaving me behind. That's a valid point.
Yeah. Okay. We'll knock off order. But
docs not
shoulder. Alright. I don't know what that means
anymore.
Whatever.
Oh, I didn't like the line. I'm not
going I'm going to cost this planet. That's
fair. I'm gonna take off of. Yeah. Point
for that. Rogue is a shit bounty hunter.
I don't care.
Okay. Rogue
has a bad name, apparently because of the
D d thing. I don't care anymore So
I'm ignoring those. So I'm gonna... Yeah. I'm
gonna give it higher than I started eventually
because I had 4 negatives and I... I
thought I was gonna do at 4.6
but I'm gonna give it a 4.7 because
I love it, and I'm
gonna watch it again tomorrow because it's so
joyful and lovely, but
Oh.
Okay. Right. That... Yeah. That is absolutely fabulous
of my goodness. Cakes. Do you wanna go
next or she like go next? Well, done.
Well done. Well yeah. Thank you. Amazing my
review.
Your gigantic heart is that ob the view
of
Leon on the screen in fill me. I'll
go, I guess. Again. I I haven't prepared
stuff. I mean, I do mostly concur with
Maria Sent. I'm not quite as enthusiastic, I
think. But, yeah. This is such a good
episode. The chemistry
is often are good. I think the only
negatives are around little fringes of the setup.
And even then the villains actually are kind
of like the way they're presented. The very
style of this week to Bridget es. I
don't know. I'm gonna call them Dan, whatever,
you know, 1 demanding justice from the other
from being a cad, and then it... You
know, it turns it around is like, actually,
you're way more interesting than me. I'd rather
be you, and it just seriously sets up
the whole shapes shifting thing shifting thing of
them just wanting to have a bit of
fun and go for the most interesting people
and I don't know. It's a really nice
step, actually. And I think that element of
it works pretty well throughout. It's the little
things of they dialed the threat level too
high and then couldn't justify it and then
make it land when it was an important
thing for ropes to say, and, you know,
stuff like that, which was rampant in in
classic era. Yeah. And it it pops up
from New Food types to time. It's kind
of just a thing with doctor who you
kind of get. Yep. Get over at most
of it time me let that swear over
you. But there's just so many good points
about this. I mean, where you brought up
a few things.
It's,
but we have lines. Like, my name Bond
Molecular bond.
Someone committed. That's a script when it landed.
Oh come well so cringe I didn't. I
forgot how that
Just like it paper. We didn't talk about
it this As your
so good. Who that you? Is that me?
Are you talking about
Yeah. Yeah.
Is so good. Suck. It's so good. It's
not my first shit.
Come on That's also
habits.
And the then he goes inside the Tar,
and you're left outside he's just the going...
Oh my god. Or whatever. And it's just
there's so many... I think this what you
get from it. It's just pure joy in
this episode. Yeah. And dog sings, you know,
I I'm not sure if this is right
title. It. But, you know, world of pure
imagination. He's just having so much fun and
they're letting him have so much fun. They're
letting him for it fall in love with
someone, you know, for maybe it's not proper
love, Maybe it's just in. Who knows who
cares. He's allowed
like, in a bizarre way, some humanity, which
is often not allowed to happen for the
doctor And Like, why can't we get some
time? Alright, for him to have fun to
enjoy things to be flirty? I mean, when
it's shooting ga were performing it as well.
By God, can you pull that off? I
mean, let the book... Holy smokes.
Yeah. So
I mean, I I don't know. I mean,
we picked part of little things,
more than I kind of expected we would
do. So I I had to reduced my
score a little bit. But then I'm enjoying
thinking about this in my head again, so
I'm gonna pop it back up again. So
I was at a 4.5.
I bumped it down to 4.2, but I
gotta go back up to a 4 point
402
jay. Alright.
Still pretty.
Wrong with.
Okay. Alright. Alright. Fine.
No judgment.
Okay. Safe space. No judgment from you with.
Alright Yeah. No. Yeah excellent stuff from both
of you. My god. Okay. Yeah. Can I
start up by saying this episode feels so
magnificent
doctor who, in in terms of structure, the
only time that we've had something that comes
even remotely close this season was the first
episode it was space babies and space babies
was a d deployable episode? And this takes
the right structure and puts all the right
bits into it. And it feels like such
a return to form, not just a new
who, but also kind of bargaining back to
class The fact that we have aliens that
look like animals,
like ant animals, fields really classic here and
I love it. By the way, who else
had 2 on their single tier crying bingo
card. Just me know. To me. Loved it.
Yeah. Yeah I absolutely love this episode. It's
a bit enough in places, but it's playful
and adventurous in other places, and I love
Velvet jacket, speaking of which. I watched this
with Kat the first time around. She could
not
stop talking about how offensive
handsome shooting gateways,
and she is right by the way As
is the other guy also, the sweet Valley
news cast, the total
unrelated side note, I really need to work
out and get a new skin skincare routine.
The
tensions between those 2 holy,
moly. They are kind of... They steal... That...
That's what steals the show. That for this
week's doctor hu. It... At the very beginning
of this evening review, I was saying I'm
not entirely sure how I feel about the
sort of sexual doctor, whether it's with rose
or it's with rogue gear. It doesn't matter
I'm not sure how I feel about that.
But the fact that it's wrapped in these
very sophisticated.
The sophisticated recording, that's very sophisticated flirting. It's
so witty. It's so sexy. It's so cool.
I'm 100
percent on onboard. Lots of pros and cons
take away
overall, the sonic is sonic again, which is
great, but how does no 1 notice it
and why it sold loud and why is
it sold na. Lots of great lines,
shape shifters. I've never met 1 unless I
have. And I also wrote down. It's not
my first shared, and the things that you're
not recognizing recognizing at called services, great lines.
I loved that Grant to played dock in
the screen of the s animate animated version,
that he turned up among docks faces in
the scam.
Doc Wobble love a dub dying dub at
the end when he sort of wants to
mask his pain, the pain of losing rogue
of being separated from someone he's so incredibly...
I I think too quickly, but still so
incredibly in love with So so recently having
lost that person trying to hide that binder
a dance and a giggle that was hot
wrench it's such a hot wrench moment. The
chemistry, the flirting, the Velvet to the adventure,
the bridge of it all and most of
the tension of the plus column for me.
The meanwhile, the Roche relationship, the plot holds
Ruby lack of agency, some of the tension,
probably the lack of threat, the cold
as a thing, they're the minus column.
I don't know if this Tall point wise,
but I also think this is the best
1 of the series to date. I originally
rode 4.4, but sold. You youtube have told
me up. I'm now giving you 4.55.
Excellent. Excellent reviews.
Agree with
Goat.
Shall we see what podcast podcasts are has
to say about this magnificent
episode and see if their hearts are as
Generous is ours.
Oh, how can they possibly be
less.
Now let's take from put back to 50
or it would get out of hand. Faster
we have.
Alright.
Oh, I'll fred them with you as we
can still have new reviewers. Law.
What a treat or a treat about Joseph.
Hello Joseph.
To to Joseph from los angeles Lee's. Hello,
Joseph. Hello there, Joseph.
Hello?
Joseph. I loved... Joseph. Joseph, I want you
to know that Joseph is 1 of my
autumn favorite names. So congratulations on being so
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And
Joseph is very short and sweet. Joseph
liked it. No notes. Love Pod.
Joseph, pod love you too.
Fabulous mini. The mini of minis that are
absolutely fabulous. Thank you so much. So happy
to be troubling down that Tim Or road
with you. Y.
Yes. Glad you could join us come on
for the rain. People who are or Joseph
should probably say hi Joseph on Instagram as
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Fabulous. Thank you so much, Joseph.
Who next. Why? Next up is John from
Devon.
Diane
dan sent in a really long email in
fact with minis of episode... Like mini minis.
Every episode in the entire series. So this
is just the mini mini for this 1.
And Dan says. Rogue.
Dove as regency Chimney Burst. With merely given
nothing to do, except repeat, Bridget
for the trailers,
but somehow it works.
Ga is just so damn good here.
Convincing and moving.
And Anne gives us a 3.9
dusted
cats out of 5.
0, das
ka. Oh excellent rating system,
fabulous stuff, Dan, bro you. Yeah. Love it.
Bye.
Good rain too. Who's next. Oh,
why it's none other than Gp han.
What up Gp? I said g. You say
PGGP.
Play. Yes. Right.
Oh, Gps be way too long.
Welcome back Gp gps being traveling around the
world like an absolute fabulous globe order. Thank
you. It's I'm so sorry. I didn't reply
your email by the way Gp. It's coming
it's. In the mail. What has Gp
said, well, Gb says firstly, I have to
see in general I wasn't expecting much this
season. And after the first 2 episodes, it
went as expected. I e not good. I
can't say I've enjoyed the musical stuff, but
I'm pleased to say the rest of the
season though not without its faults, have been
at least entertaining at times pretty good. Rogue
was not about up, a pretty decent storyline
involved that... Shoulder, a race of shapes shipping
aims who gate crusher bridget and style,
and Ruby finds have caught up in the
trap set by the doctor and the bounty
hunter rogue.
But haven't we seen some sort of shapes
sift before on doctor who? Or am I
getting my Sci 5 shows mixed up? Says
gp? Well, the doctor has decide who to
sacrifice Ruby or you know, the whole of
humanity as we know it. This 1 Gp
says astute.
Felt the most like doctor Hu since Ga
began his run, and I could easily imagine
Matt smith 10 in such a stories, so.
I'm not understanding some of the hate. I'm
reading online about Ga.
What?
Online hate. What's is this? What's this From
Red the online hand.
Not lie actually. I'm not super surprised. But...
No. Yeah. It's all Nonsense. Yeah. Gb rounds
off with well done the cast. This is
a solid story with fantastic costumes in production,
and I'm giving it drum
3.6
tight dresses showing up some cleavage. This Who
I.
Gp adds the little Ps. Hailey leon, dot
and bubble is not that good well.
Yeah.
Fine Gp, I will take that onboard.
Fabulous stuff to your pm. Thank you. That
it agrees with you and also doesn't agree.
Exactly. Yeah. Gp excellent mini as
absolutely always people who are on Gp should
follow Gp on Instant and on Youtube where
they can see all of Gps, low t
adventures. Where can he be found
fam? At finding
tea sports.
My.
So perfectly synchronized. That was absolutely amazing. Meaningless.
Thanks very much. Drew.
Next. Next up, we've got. Isaac.
I.
I
Isaac
say, I'm excited to see what other listeners
and you guys, of course, think of this
episode. If they aren't bridget fans
As a big fan of the torn. This
episode is wonderful and joyous, a pitch perfect
episode of Bridget
elevated by the invasion of some angry birds
and a hard trend base romance.
I'm not sure if non subscribers to lady
Whistle column will have enjoyed it on the
same level, but I think that even
if taken as just a doctor who episode
this is great. Sorry. That was my best.
Lady whistle down in brandon. You won't know
this, Leon, but we just had lady whistle
down in the room. She just she just
swung by
I you filled her press. Forget.
Isaac continue is the big highlight of the
episode is dot. And rogue, which plays out
so sweet and so wonderfully. A chemistry in
the way they move from enemies to team
up buddies to hot, scandalous heartbreak
in 45 minutes made this episode, the diamond
of the season.
I really hope we see more of him
in the future, and I hope it's still
written by a guest writer. If there's 1
main thing dot who needs going forwards, It's
more writers hundred.
Yeah. That's too hard for me? Nobody's it
is not. But still,
and what pray tell mister Leon does Isaac
give this
Well, excellent question Isaac gives this 4.6 as
a bridget fan, 4.2 on the basis of
it as a doctor episode. So 4.46.
Only 4.4 Isaac Tonya heart. No Jk, fantastic
mini accelerating really gets stuff.
Quite thought you say, I nothing is a
good rating.
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely solid. Thank you very much
Are isaac people who are not Isaac.
Must head on over to the inter webs
and seek out Isaac post taste where can
they find Isaac? Well, I'll be heading straight
over to
monster Adams.
That's adams
Weird. 1 d.
Do believe.
Fabulous isaac. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Bye.
Wonderful of you isaac. Right snip snippet snip
snip snips hence fourth. And who who's next?
Wyatt?
Tracy says, snip snip snip snip snip and
concludes a with favorite line. I know the
word okay and rating, I mis unidentified poker
face as poker face, the weird A cover.
No Lyrics featured means technically I'm correct.
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mean that as a 4.7.
Yeah. Yeah. I go. Excellent oh, wonderful rating,
Tracy. Only go Tracy. That's so generous. Wow.
What a big heart. Are people who are
not Tracy,
please say hi to Tracy online. She can
be found at. Yeah.
That's found dr Backwards.
Oh.
Fabulous
fabulous.
Thank you, Tracy.
Tracy.
It is next.
Next up, we should all be afraid and
pay the wrap kyle. I do feel the
wrath of kyle.
Hopefully
Ohio. Hopefully, Ra Kyle won't give us too
much wrath for just snip snip snip him.
But, oh Goodness Kyle.
Kyle, I do appreciate your review,
and
snip snip snip snip. It's quick. It's fun,
and it's got just a hint of intent
to commit mass murder. Snip nearly snip. The
account rating of 4.7 out of 5,
no more trauma, but only last minute Millie
could help the doctor faces his sad thought,
let you really no 1 else.
No 1 else.
What an perfectly normal sized heart you have
got.
Exactly. Just exactly the right amount of part
for this rating.
Fabulous
kyle. People who on coil? Where
should they go? Well, they should head online
and seek out the sinister super spy.
That's super without any valves.
Kinda look fabulous mini as absolutely always. Thank
you so much. Here's
next to last?
It's a good clever thing to pay attention
to because it's adam sport. Hello.
Adam.
Little adam, or mister Sc.
Hello
Oh, hash smart. Adam,
there's lots of words which we are slipping
other.
Concludes with overall, this was an enthusiastically performed
and entertaining rom for that episode, but with
a Romance letter lot beat and z.
Hello
Oh now, and the rating Adam has left
us with is 2.9
bird alien her twitch.
My goodness oh.
Is actually your a little ice back that
bed? Red alien head twitch switches are actually
worth 2 points each.
I see. I'm it. Okay. Okay. Well, yeah,
I think this means...
People of Podcast land however all the more
reason turn on over to you back when
dot com to check out Adams, oops, and
drones.
In their full splendor. Why of course. And
thank you very much for your opinions here,
Adam.
Thanks, Adam.
Lost. Last how we've got mister killed.
Karen says snip
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and adds as someone who hasn't watched Rid.
I did find the constant references slightly annoying
and wonder if it might put some people
off. My score after 1 watch is 4
out of 5 rolls of d twenties.
I would recommend a second 1. Care in.
I think you can get up to 4
and a half easily.
4 out of 5 for something that that
will put off a lot of the audience
is actually pretty great. That's Yeah. Yeah. Kieran
fabulous
stuff. People who are not kieran. Oh, you
know what,
I'm heading off... I'm gonna be driving a
van. I'm really nervous because I've only driven
a van once before. I know I'm so
sorry, Karen. I've only driven Van once before
I'm about to drive a van in just
2 days time, and it sad me to
say it is petrol driven. Where can I
go to swap it out for another 1?
I'm not kidding. It is absolutely unacceptable. Know
what? I would... If I were you, I
would head... Straight to the gram
and Type in k
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Perfect.
Well done. Hero
stuff. Thank you very much. If I thank
you very much everyone who sent something in
for this.
Episode
stuff, some nice to be back in the
saddle. Amazing stuff. Yeah. I think
To you. You've done amazing work team. Well
done everyone. Thank you always.
Oh, yes brother. We love to hear from
you Joke.
Control. Bravo,
Is this the last of doctor who might
we give the team a chance to hear
from us? And to hear from them once
again.
Well, I'll certainly be here next week to
review knew who
pretty finale. What do we call them? First
part of a 2 part Finale.
Yeah. That's right.
Namely the legend of Ruby Sunday,
Finally. What a legend? We'll discover who really
is.
Hopefully.
Oh, yes.
Finally,
it
will be reversed. It's been leading up to
this.
Yeah, I cannot wait. That's if for new
who no classics plans.
Probably no audio plan that we'll see. Any
bolder episodes? Anything we can think of? Well,
you just mental all a potential male by
episode, but I don't know how serious that.
Oh, yeah. That do a mail that yourself?
Keep be nice. Most this facebook because like.
What is this? Can people say hi to
us online in the meantime though? Yeah If
I were you and you wanted to see
me online, I would go to the Instagram,
and I would type in how imagine and
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Wow, those are 3 of my favorites too
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Where you might see? Actually, what you might
see is but was a baby pigeons because
we've got pigeon at
on our window works
Oh, like
Currently just but we're hoping the baby soon.
Oh my god. I love pigeons and I'm
heading to your Instagram immediately.
Be found on social media anymore, but you
can go through the Who back when general
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People can reach us collectively
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it's been so lovely. Hanging out with you.
Yeah. It's been super fun. Well, that's all
from us. For this evening, I hope you
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I wanna say rock on into chow, but
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