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seven and eight,

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Art for Art's sake,

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and Isle Of Joy.

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Welcome to level seven,

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a podcast about Marvel's Agents of S. H.

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I. E. L. D. And the Marvel Cinematic

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Universe.

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It's a magical place.

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Hello, and welcome back to another episode of

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Welcome to Level seven. I'm Ben,

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Ben Avery, and I'm here with agent Samantha.

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How you doing? I'm good. How are you?

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I am good, and we are ready to

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talk about some Daredevil

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born again.

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And,

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these are the

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the seventh and eighth. So eighth is the

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penultimate episode,

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for the season because next episode

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is the season finale,

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moment here. So as far as, like, what

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to expect from the podcast next week, we

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that episode. I'm not sure how soon it

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it. But then right after that will be,

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the release of Thunderbolts,

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which is, I believe May 2. Oh, that

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is coming up fast. Yeah. Yeah. It's coming

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up pretty quick. And the other thing with

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up a time, hopefully, where we can get

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maybe Stewart in as well to be able

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to talk with us

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about that, if we can work around his

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work schedule and if he can work the

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movie into his his schedule too.

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I'm planning to see that movie that weekend.

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listeners,

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send us your thoughts. And not only send

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us your thoughts, like, you can email them

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to us, definitely. Studioavery@gmail.com.

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It's not a professional podcasting address, but it's

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Gmail. It's free, and it's good.

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I think it's good.

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job, and Yeah. That's that's what matters. But,

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also, you could send us, like, a voice

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we'll we'll use those. You know? Like, we'd

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about Thunderbolts.

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after it comes out. That's at the earliest.

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definitely, you know, send us an email with

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your thoughts, but you could also send us

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a voice recording. We no longer have the

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are about ten minutes long. If you want

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what makes him tick. And it was fascinating

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informing. One is informing the other, and it's

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the newspaper office was attacked. And

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the wake of that, which, man, the one

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season three of Daredevil,

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one, especially, was really, really good, but season

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three is blowing

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everything away. It is just a fantastic season

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of television so far. There's six more episodes

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they could ruin it with. So They don't.

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much. They don't spoil they don't ruin it?

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fair. That's fair. I'm I'm I'm happy to

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moment where Dex as Daredevil approaches Karen in

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hello, Karen. And it's really creepy.

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just to see what I missed Yeah. Because

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that are entirely new material.

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that they wove together

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from the first round of of filming that

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that we're gonna talk about today is completely

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new by the new show runners, the new

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muse stuff

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for that first round when they were doing

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the the series a little bit differently. So

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the muse stuff, Art for Art's sake, is

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episode seven. Episode eight is

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waste. If you don't use what they used

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before, it is a total waste.

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And that's not good for any studio's bottom

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It's not good for the bottom line. But

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if it is good to get rid of

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they made the right decision to try to

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bring back as many of the original show

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runners as as possible.

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in the after credit because Vincent D'Onofrio made,

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an appearance and did an interview on happy,

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sad, confused, and he talked a lot about

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this whole season.

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just people are doing art for his sake,

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and it's nice that you're just art for

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art's sake. That's good. That's good. Art should

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be honored that people are just doing art

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for his sake. So.

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Unless you're using someone else's blood in your

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paint.

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Still, wouldn't you feel slightly honored?

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Like, glorified, but also a little bit honored.

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My reaction was the same as Fisk. You

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didn't talk about this last in the last

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ep

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podcast episode, but,

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there's a really great moment where Fisk has

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this very visceral reaction to hearing that there

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was blood in that paint.

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Just this, like,

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you know,

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and I think that's

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what we all were doing. But at the

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same time, I was really glad that

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Fisk had that reaction more than,

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oh, how how artistic, you know, or or

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something even creepier.

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Yeah.

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And then he goes and creates the, the

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vigilante task force,

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which And that's his real reaction right there.

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I know. And it well, it's like

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okay. So

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here's

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somebody who's really sick, who is killing people,

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and the police have been basically ignoring him.

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And your response is to go after the

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vigilantes that were trying to stop this guy?

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Right. Like, that doesn't it's a little bit

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of cognitive dissonance

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except little bit?

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Yeah. Except they both wear masks. Right? Like,

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the bad guys and the good guys, they

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all they all wear masks.

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I mean, even Ms. Marvel wears a mask,

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but fortunately, she's in New Jersey. She doesn't

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have to worry about the

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the the task force.

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Yeah.

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And if she's still a minor, it's illegal

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for her to cross state lines without her

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parents' permission anyways. So

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here's the thing though.

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I find this fascinating, and I can't remember

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if I talked about it last episode, but

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I have a feeling I didn't because I

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it was something

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that it wasn't until I was watching one

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of the episodes for for Daredevil season three

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where I thought about this. It was the

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one where they bring in all the stuff

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to his his,

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solitary confinement in the hotel, and they're bringing

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all those paintings.

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I had forgotten how important art is

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to Fisk.

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Mhmm. And so that makes for a very

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interesting dynamic that they don't really play up

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on very much except for

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Fisk's reaction, like you were talking about, but

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also he's, like, staring at the artwork of

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himself.

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There's some of the graffiti that that Muse

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did is of of Fisk, But art is

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so very important to him, and it's

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it's something he made sure that he had

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brought to him. There there, of course, is,

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what is it, rabbit in a snowstorm or

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whatever it is that's the important the most

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important one to him. But

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it makes for an interesting dynamic of these

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two villains. One appreciates art, and the other

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one creates art.

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And

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I do wish they could have played up

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on that more. It's possible that they did

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when they originally were were doing all this

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stuff together.

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But

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There's a lot I wanna talk about

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about Rabbit and the Snowstorm,

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but

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it's spoiler for Daredevil season three, so I

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can't talk about it

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with you yet. Not yet. Not yet.

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We're getting there.

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We're getting there.

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So alright. So Arts for Art's sake, now

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that we've gotten past the stupid dad joke,

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Fisk is told that Angela escaped Muse because

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Daredevil helped her, and he's not happy, which

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makes sense.

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By the way,

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do you know why

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rabbits and snowstorms

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aren't sad?

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Because they're hoppy.

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There. We worked in two two dad jokes

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in in in just, like, three minutes here.

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Congratulations on making a lot. I I I

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don't know if I should feel proud or

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not, but,

384
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yeah. Well, in my house,

385
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dad jokes are thoroughly appreciated.

386
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Okay. Alright. Hopefully, they're Can I appreciate it

387
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for our listeners too? But Can I go

388
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on a slight tangent? Yeah.

389
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So last year after we found out that

390
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we were gonna have a baby,

391
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my husband started,

392
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like, saying dad jokes all the time.

393
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All the time.

394
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It was starting to get on my nerves

395
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a little bit.

396
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So I got him a t shirt that

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says,

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when does a joke become a dad joke

399
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when it becomes a parent?

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And after that, he stopped.

401
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He felt called out.

402
00:15:30,625 --> 00:15:32,804
Actually, he laughed. He really likes that shirt.

403
00:15:35,985 --> 00:15:37,445
Yeah. It just happens.

404
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It just happens.

405
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Mhmm. Just all of a sudden. It does.

406
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So sticking with with Fisk, Fisk lectures Cashman

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on how Daredevil made things bad for business.

408
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Cashman reminds Fisk, you can't just use your

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task force for personal revenge. And Fisk says,

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basically,

411
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yeah. Sure. I can if it helps the

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city or something. Right? Am I right?

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And

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that's that's his thinking.

415
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He's seeing this as just the perfect opportunity

416
00:16:07,709 --> 00:16:08,850
to take out Daredevil,

417
00:16:09,870 --> 00:16:12,029
but he's also shocked that Daredevil is back

418
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because Angela revealed to people that it was

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Daredevil who took care of Muse.

420
00:16:16,829 --> 00:16:18,509
Now the other thing that's happening is they're

421
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gonna spread the narrative

422
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that the task force is going out for

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the people's help. They're they're helping the people

424
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because they're going after the bad guy, but

425
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they're also going after the vigilantes.

426
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And so,

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sticking with Fisk

428
00:16:33,045 --> 00:16:35,465
and Vanessa, Vanessa meets up with Luca

429
00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:37,820
who confronts her about how things are better

430
00:16:37,820 --> 00:16:39,279
without Fisk, and she says,

431
00:16:39,820 --> 00:16:41,820
hey. Maybe you and I, we can ally

432
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ourselves for mutual benefit

433
00:16:44,220 --> 00:16:46,480
or something. Right? Am I right?

434
00:16:46,940 --> 00:16:48,000
And he says yes.

435
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And then, toward the end of the episode,

436
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we get this moment where Vanessa texts Luca

437
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and says

438
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where Wilson is, and he's alone.

439
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And so Luca goes to Fisk because Fisk

440
00:17:01,565 --> 00:17:04,065
is alone, and he's going to kill Fisk.

441
00:17:04,125 --> 00:17:07,180
But Fisk has Luca killed because Fisk was

442
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not alone.

443
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And

444
00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:11,980
and now Luca is dead, and Vanessa helped

445
00:17:11,980 --> 00:17:13,200
Fisk to do this.

446
00:17:13,819 --> 00:17:14,960
And this

447
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is another moment where we see Fisk is

448
00:17:17,339 --> 00:17:18,880
kinda stepping back into

449
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the whole,

450
00:17:21,994 --> 00:17:23,755
you know, who he really was. Him. It

451
00:17:23,755 --> 00:17:25,515
really is. Yeah. Yeah.

452
00:17:26,394 --> 00:17:26,894
So,

453
00:17:27,515 --> 00:17:28,015
Fisk,

454
00:17:28,875 --> 00:17:29,375
I

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00:17:30,075 --> 00:17:31,755
oh, gosh. I don't have the time to

456
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go back and rewatch, but now I'm thinking

457
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I should have kept a head count of

458
00:17:35,730 --> 00:17:37,990
who at that council in the first episode

459
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is still alive.

460
00:17:40,690 --> 00:17:41,190
Oh,

461
00:17:41,890 --> 00:17:42,390
yeah.

462
00:17:43,890 --> 00:17:46,849
Yeah. Because Yep. With that whole incident with

463
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the truck, some people died,

464
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and now Luca's dead.

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That guy from the bank robbery,

466
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as far as I know, is out in

467
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the wind.

468
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Yeah. Yeah. So the other thing going on

469
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with Fisk is after everything goes down with

470
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Daredevil and Muse,

471
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Fisk basically wants to push the narrative

472
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that the task force took care of Muse,

473
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even though everyone knows it was Daredevil.

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And,

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Daniel

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Daniel Blake

477
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talks to Bebe Urich

478
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and says, hey,

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Bebe,

480
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come on now. Let's let's let's print some

481
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lies together.

482
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It'll be good for both of us.

483
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And

484
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he wants her to push that narrative as

485
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well, and that actually works out well for

486
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Daniel

487
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because they do that.

488
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Who, as the season goes on,

489
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has a

490
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ticking clock on how much longer he's gonna

491
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live. I tell you. I can just hear

492
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it. I don't know if I agree.

493
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I think the ticking tock is ticking time

494
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clock

495
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tock tick tock.

496
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I think that that is actually, like, when

497
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is he gonna be a supervillain?

498
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Like, he

499
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I just feel like he's heading in that

500
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direction.

501
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But, man,

502
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the stuff that he says to Fisk, I'll

503
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do anything for you.

504
00:19:13,644 --> 00:19:15,484
I'll do anything. I'll I'll give up my

505
00:19:15,484 --> 00:19:17,005
life for you. I'll I'll work overtime. I'll

506
00:19:17,005 --> 00:19:18,125
do whatever you ask me to do. I'll

507
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do anything. I'll do anything.

508
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Like,

509
00:19:20,605 --> 00:19:21,825
that's pretty extreme.

510
00:19:23,724 --> 00:19:25,265
He's too much of a browniezer.

511
00:19:25,644 --> 00:19:27,904
And then with BB, he's made mistakes.

512
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Yeah. Definitely.

513
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Yeah. And he

514
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he makes plans, and he doesn't talk to

515
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Fisk about them first.

516
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,960
He's he's too much of a liability to

517
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Fisk.

518
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But Fisk is giving him power.

519
00:19:44,835 --> 00:19:45,335
Yeah.

520
00:19:45,875 --> 00:19:49,654
In episode eight, yeah, he does he's promoted

521
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to

522
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Deputy mayor. Deputy mayor of education. Which

523
00:19:58,139 --> 00:19:59,980
I used to teach a class at my

524
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church, and I learned that or somebody advised

525
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me that when you have a kid who

526
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is

527
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causing a lot of distractions,

528
00:20:10,220 --> 00:20:11,279
to give them

529
00:20:11,819 --> 00:20:12,559
a job.

530
00:20:14,565 --> 00:20:17,684
It is a very appropriate strategy to help

531
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get them on your side and also give

532
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them something to do

533
00:20:21,285 --> 00:20:22,105
so that they're

534
00:20:22,964 --> 00:20:24,964
they because a lot of times, kids with

535
00:20:24,964 --> 00:20:26,904
distract who are who are distractions

536
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,579
need a little bit of distraction.

537
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And

538
00:20:31,799 --> 00:20:34,519
yeah. But I I don't know. I don't

539
00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:36,779
know. I don't I don't see him

540
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,859
dying soon.

541
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:40,679
But, I mean, really, there's only one more

542
00:20:40,679 --> 00:20:42,380
episode in the season, so

543
00:20:43,615 --> 00:20:45,474
you'll have to be soon relatively speaking

544
00:20:45,855 --> 00:20:47,875
if it's not next episode because

545
00:20:48,894 --> 00:20:50,894
not relatively speaking, we're looking at another year

546
00:20:50,894 --> 00:20:52,035
or whatever between

547
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between seasons.

548
00:20:54,095 --> 00:20:54,494
So

549
00:20:54,974 --> 00:20:56,755
Yeah. So we'll see.

550
00:20:58,420 --> 00:21:00,900
We'll see. I just I can see that

551
00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:02,279
he's gonna do something

552
00:21:03,140 --> 00:21:04,680
to upset Fisk, and

553
00:21:05,299 --> 00:21:07,299
he's not gonna be around much longer. That's

554
00:21:07,299 --> 00:21:08,279
just my prediction.

555
00:21:09,220 --> 00:21:11,559
Well, I used to think that just because

556
00:21:12,384 --> 00:21:14,464
he was causing so much trouble, but then

557
00:21:14,464 --> 00:21:16,325
you had that whole forgiveness episode

558
00:21:18,144 --> 00:21:18,644
where

559
00:21:19,105 --> 00:21:21,285
Fisk is like, I've learned forgiveness.

560
00:21:22,144 --> 00:21:23,204
I'm gonna forgive.

561
00:21:24,544 --> 00:21:25,044
And

562
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:27,369
and then does.

563
00:21:28,069 --> 00:21:31,849
It basically does. So This episode, Fisk partakes

564
00:21:32,069 --> 00:21:33,450
in the death of

565
00:21:33,829 --> 00:21:34,329
Luca.

566
00:21:37,349 --> 00:21:37,849
Yeah.

567
00:21:38,815 --> 00:21:41,055
Yeah. This is I mean, we'll see in

568
00:21:41,055 --> 00:21:43,295
the next episode where they're getting ready for

569
00:21:43,295 --> 00:21:45,295
the ball. He doesn't fit into his suits

570
00:21:45,295 --> 00:21:45,795
anymore.

571
00:21:47,295 --> 00:21:49,795
You know? So there's there's that physical representation

572
00:21:50,015 --> 00:21:51,234
of what's going on,

573
00:21:52,049 --> 00:21:52,869
for him

574
00:21:53,329 --> 00:21:54,549
mentally, psychologically.

575
00:21:55,569 --> 00:21:56,069
But

576
00:21:57,329 --> 00:21:59,669
And D'Onofrio putting on that Fisk

577
00:22:00,049 --> 00:22:01,109
undersuit again

578
00:22:01,569 --> 00:22:03,029
to make him look bulkier.

579
00:22:03,490 --> 00:22:04,305
We'll see.

580
00:22:06,225 --> 00:22:07,985
We'll see. But when he put on when

581
00:22:07,985 --> 00:22:09,345
he put on his coat as they were

582
00:22:09,345 --> 00:22:10,785
getting ready for the ball, all I could

583
00:22:10,785 --> 00:22:11,765
think of was,

584
00:22:12,225 --> 00:22:13,924
Chris Farley and Tommy Boy.

585
00:22:14,545 --> 00:22:16,965
Fat guy in a little

586
00:22:17,744 --> 00:22:18,244
coat.

587
00:22:19,619 --> 00:22:21,960
Fat guy in a little

588
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:23,000
cone.

589
00:22:23,460 --> 00:22:24,920
One of the greatest comedies,

590
00:22:25,859 --> 00:22:27,079
at least of the nineties,

591
00:22:27,539 --> 00:22:28,920
if not of all time.

592
00:22:29,859 --> 00:22:31,299
I think there's a case to be made

593
00:22:31,299 --> 00:22:33,079
in the top 50 of all time.

594
00:22:33,424 --> 00:22:35,505
Yeah. That And maybe in top 10 of

595
00:22:35,505 --> 00:22:37,125
of the nineties. But Yeah.

596
00:22:38,785 --> 00:22:39,525
Oh, man.

597
00:22:42,544 --> 00:22:43,044
Anyway

598
00:22:44,544 --> 00:22:46,964
so let's talk about Matt and Heather

599
00:22:47,585 --> 00:22:48,644
sitting in a tree.

600
00:22:49,059 --> 00:22:49,559
So

601
00:22:50,019 --> 00:22:50,839
for the past

602
00:22:51,140 --> 00:22:53,000
couple episodes, specifically

603
00:22:53,460 --> 00:22:55,559
this one and Isle Of Joy,

604
00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:58,200
every time they have a scene together,

605
00:22:58,740 --> 00:23:01,000
I think of Genie from the movie Aladdin

606
00:23:01,884 --> 00:23:04,765
right before Aladdin flies up and goes on

607
00:23:04,765 --> 00:23:06,525
his date with Jasmine and they sing A

608
00:23:06,525 --> 00:23:09,085
Whole New World. I think of what Genie

609
00:23:09,085 --> 00:23:11,825
says, which is tell her the truth.

610
00:23:13,085 --> 00:23:13,484
And

611
00:23:15,609 --> 00:23:18,410
Well, here's the thing. Let's let's start with

612
00:23:18,410 --> 00:23:20,429
our first scene together. Matt's in the shower.

613
00:23:21,210 --> 00:23:22,109
Got bruises.

614
00:23:22,490 --> 00:23:24,650
Right? I mean, he's wounded. This guy is

615
00:23:24,650 --> 00:23:25,150
wounded

616
00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:26,509
from his fights.

617
00:23:27,515 --> 00:23:28,954
And Heather joins him in the shower. I

618
00:23:28,954 --> 00:23:30,575
mean, they have an intimate relationship.

619
00:23:31,434 --> 00:23:33,214
He's not gonna be able to hide this.

620
00:23:33,755 --> 00:23:35,914
And if she doesn't figure out what's really

621
00:23:35,914 --> 00:23:38,954
going on, she's wondering, and she is, wondering

622
00:23:38,954 --> 00:23:40,554
if this is self harm kind of a

623
00:23:40,554 --> 00:23:41,054
stuff.

624
00:23:41,355 --> 00:23:44,160
I fell. I fell. I bumped into something.

625
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:44,900
I fell.

626
00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:48,640
That's not gonna last as an excuse when

627
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,019
he starts having, like,

628
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,180
claw marks from

629
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:55,619
cat villain person or he starts, you know,

630
00:23:55,875 --> 00:23:59,095
getting burn marks from Electro Guy. I mean,

631
00:23:59,634 --> 00:24:00,134
that's

632
00:24:00,994 --> 00:24:01,315
his

633
00:24:02,755 --> 00:24:04,355
if he wants to keep the lie, he

634
00:24:04,355 --> 00:24:05,015
has to

635
00:24:05,474 --> 00:24:09,174
pull back on the emotional and physical intimacy

636
00:24:10,169 --> 00:24:10,829
with her.

637
00:24:11,609 --> 00:24:13,929
Yeah. And I understand what's going through his

638
00:24:13,929 --> 00:24:15,450
head. I know it. What's going through his

639
00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:16,589
head is he's thinking,

640
00:24:19,049 --> 00:24:21,609
Foggy died because of me, because of my

641
00:24:21,609 --> 00:24:22,109
secret,

642
00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:24,730
and I don't want her to die because

643
00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:25,309
of me.

644
00:24:26,525 --> 00:24:27,664
Well, Matt,

645
00:24:29,404 --> 00:24:31,105
you're putting the suit back on.

646
00:24:31,484 --> 00:24:31,984
Yep.

647
00:24:33,164 --> 00:24:34,304
She's wondering.

648
00:24:35,964 --> 00:24:37,585
Tell her the truth.

649
00:24:38,429 --> 00:24:40,029
Problem is, in the course of these two

650
00:24:40,029 --> 00:24:40,529
episodes,

651
00:24:40,990 --> 00:24:42,929
she is does not have a very

652
00:24:43,309 --> 00:24:44,210
high opinion

653
00:24:45,389 --> 00:24:46,450
of vigilante

654
00:24:47,789 --> 00:24:48,289
superheroes.

655
00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:51,649
Yeah. Well, especially after,

656
00:24:54,375 --> 00:24:57,734
Muse attacked her. Yeah. But even before then,

657
00:24:57,734 --> 00:24:59,335
I mean, she's like, can you get me

658
00:24:59,335 --> 00:25:01,335
an interview with Punisher? Can you get me

659
00:25:01,335 --> 00:25:03,255
an I mean, you worked with Daredevil. Right?

660
00:25:03,255 --> 00:25:04,775
You you could get me an interview with

661
00:25:04,775 --> 00:25:06,234
some of these guys or whatever.

662
00:25:07,975 --> 00:25:08,475
And

663
00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:11,400
and she's talking about how, you know, these

664
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,640
are these are all my theories about why

665
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,079
they put on the mask. You know? And

666
00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:17,319
is it is it, arrested development or is

667
00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:18,519
it this or that or the other thing?

668
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:19,019
And

669
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,099
none of it sounds very good,

670
00:25:22,484 --> 00:25:24,085
but as soon as he reveals it to

671
00:25:24,085 --> 00:25:26,105
her, he's gonna have some explaining to do.

672
00:25:26,244 --> 00:25:27,224
You know? There's

673
00:25:28,005 --> 00:25:29,365
there's gonna be some stuff that he's gonna

674
00:25:29,365 --> 00:25:30,984
have to work through with her,

675
00:25:31,525 --> 00:25:32,025
and

676
00:25:32,404 --> 00:25:34,164
it's not gonna be easy even if it

677
00:25:34,164 --> 00:25:35,625
ends up being a positive thing.

678
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:38,559
Anything I mean, any kind of thing like

679
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:40,559
this where you have lied or you have

680
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:43,119
hidden the truth, when the truth comes out,

681
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,039
whether it's in a positive way or a

682
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:47,059
negative way, it's not

683
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:49,700
an easy conversation to have necessarily.

684
00:25:50,505 --> 00:25:51,005
And

685
00:25:51,945 --> 00:25:53,644
the longer you wait, buddy

686
00:25:54,825 --> 00:25:56,664
Yeah. The longer it takes. And I'm also

687
00:25:56,664 --> 00:25:59,305
thinking about that episode where Foggy found out,

688
00:25:59,305 --> 00:26:01,164
which was also a really great episode.

689
00:26:02,585 --> 00:26:04,445
It's great acting. But Yeah.

690
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,119
Like, how many fingers am I only holding

691
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:07,619
up?

692
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:08,660
One.

693
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,359
And it was not his index finger. I'm

694
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,100
just gonna

695
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:14,980
Yeah.

696
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:16,340
If you can't remember.

697
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,180
So when Mac goes into the office,

698
00:26:22,884 --> 00:26:24,585
Cherry confronts him about being Daredevil.

699
00:26:25,045 --> 00:26:27,445
Cherry's mad, and Cherry's not gonna help him

700
00:26:27,445 --> 00:26:29,065
find where Muse is now

701
00:26:29,445 --> 00:26:29,945
because

702
00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:33,285
he he can't do this. You know? You're

703
00:26:33,285 --> 00:26:34,664
not supposed to do this anymore.

704
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:36,420
And so

705
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,360
then Matt visits Angela to maybe get some

706
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,680
more info, and she doesn't think anything she

707
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,539
remembers is not gonna do any good.

708
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,840
The police aren't gonna do anything about this.

709
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,059
She knows that they aren't.

710
00:26:47,585 --> 00:26:49,265
Meanwhile, the police are doing some things about

711
00:26:49,265 --> 00:26:50,244
it. They're in the lair,

712
00:26:50,545 --> 00:26:51,924
and it's disturbing.

713
00:26:52,865 --> 00:26:53,365
And

714
00:26:55,984 --> 00:26:56,805
so they,

715
00:26:59,345 --> 00:27:01,825
they find all the the artwork and stuff,

716
00:27:01,825 --> 00:27:02,565
and it's

717
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,339
it's a villainous

718
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,740
lair in a subway. It's gonna be disturbing.

719
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:11,079
Not just villainous. It's also this guy has

720
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:13,819
some real issues. He needs to be

721
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,220
not just locked up, but in a psychiatric

722
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,900
unit. He needs therapy.

723
00:27:18,494 --> 00:27:19,615
And you know what he should really do?

724
00:27:19,615 --> 00:27:21,295
He should go and see his therapist. Lots

725
00:27:21,295 --> 00:27:23,454
and lots of lithium. He he he should

726
00:27:23,454 --> 00:27:25,134
go and see his therapist is what he

727
00:27:25,134 --> 00:27:25,875
should do.

728
00:27:27,214 --> 00:27:28,755
Should have Turns out

729
00:27:29,454 --> 00:27:31,075
he's a patient of Heather's,

730
00:27:31,454 --> 00:27:33,075
which we did see him earlier

731
00:27:33,375 --> 00:27:33,875
approach

732
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:36,990
at the book signing, I believe. Yes.

733
00:27:37,289 --> 00:27:37,789
Yeah.

734
00:27:40,009 --> 00:27:41,390
So from the Lair investigation,

735
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:43,049
the police are able to narrow down the

736
00:27:43,049 --> 00:27:46,109
suspects to Bastian Cooper, who is an artist

737
00:27:47,284 --> 00:27:47,784
and

738
00:27:48,085 --> 00:27:50,724
a martial artist. So my pun from last

739
00:27:50,724 --> 00:27:52,984
episode was lampshaded in this episode.

740
00:27:53,525 --> 00:27:55,144
He's an expert in Taekwondo,

741
00:27:56,244 --> 00:27:57,544
and Fisk is like,

742
00:27:58,565 --> 00:27:59,704
don't send anybody.

743
00:28:00,085 --> 00:28:02,105
I'm sending my people in.

744
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,579
Daredevil realizes that Muse is after Heather because

745
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:08,880
he's doing his own investigation of one of

746
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,259
the artwork drawings,

747
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,119
and it

748
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:14,240
he feels it, and it feels and this

749
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:14,740
was

750
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:16,960
probably the worst moment in this in this

751
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:17,460
episode

752
00:28:18,365 --> 00:28:21,325
because he they showed him feeling her face

753
00:28:21,325 --> 00:28:22,384
when they were kissing.

754
00:28:22,765 --> 00:28:24,684
Mhmm. And and feeling her face not just,

755
00:28:24,684 --> 00:28:26,365
like, because he's holding her, you know, by

756
00:28:26,365 --> 00:28:28,525
the by the head or whatever, like like

757
00:28:28,525 --> 00:28:30,205
like you do sometimes with a passionate kiss

758
00:28:30,205 --> 00:28:31,805
or whatever. But, like, the way a blind

759
00:28:31,805 --> 00:28:35,039
person will touch someone's face to see them,

760
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:36,640
you know, and to and to feel the

761
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,480
curves and and to get to know, you

762
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,339
know, who they are and the

763
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,259
the what their face looks like.

764
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:46,019
He then touches a drawing

765
00:28:47,595 --> 00:28:48,095
that

766
00:28:48,555 --> 00:28:50,795
and I'm fine with that. But from the

767
00:28:50,795 --> 00:28:52,095
drawing alone,

768
00:28:52,714 --> 00:28:54,015
then we get a flashback

769
00:28:54,795 --> 00:28:56,875
to earlier in the episode when you touched

770
00:28:56,875 --> 00:28:58,815
her face. We didn't need that.

771
00:28:59,259 --> 00:29:01,339
I I know actually, technically, I think we

772
00:29:01,339 --> 00:29:03,259
did need that because it's so ridiculous that

773
00:29:03,259 --> 00:29:04,619
we they needed to spell it out for

774
00:29:04,619 --> 00:29:06,799
us that this is what they are doing.

775
00:29:08,059 --> 00:29:08,559
But

776
00:29:08,859 --> 00:29:10,079
it was just silly.

777
00:29:10,380 --> 00:29:12,619
Like, for him to say, oh, this is

778
00:29:12,619 --> 00:29:14,000
the exact same

779
00:29:15,095 --> 00:29:17,734
as Heather's face, that just felt silly to

780
00:29:17,734 --> 00:29:20,295
me. Well, there are points on the face

781
00:29:20,295 --> 00:29:20,795
that,

782
00:29:21,335 --> 00:29:23,674
AI uses to recognize

783
00:29:24,134 --> 00:29:24,955
face shapes

784
00:29:25,654 --> 00:29:27,335
so it can do things like unlock your

785
00:29:27,335 --> 00:29:27,835
phone.

786
00:29:31,259 --> 00:29:33,740
I don't know if a blind person could

787
00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:36,620
actually look at a painting of somebody and

788
00:29:36,620 --> 00:29:38,240
be able to tell you who it is

789
00:29:39,340 --> 00:29:40,720
because it's two dimensional.

790
00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:44,250
That's that's yeah. It just Yeah. Seemed

791
00:29:45,464 --> 00:29:46,765
to me. It seemed like

792
00:29:47,464 --> 00:29:49,065
a does it work in the context of

793
00:29:49,065 --> 00:29:51,964
a fantasy superhero show? Sure. It does.

794
00:29:52,585 --> 00:29:54,904
But is it a little bit of a

795
00:29:54,904 --> 00:29:58,119
stretch for me? It was. It was. I

796
00:29:58,119 --> 00:29:59,960
I thought that, you know, ink on paper

797
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,240
was much of a was a bit of

798
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,299
a stretch for Matt.

799
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:07,160
More like reading words and stuff? Yeah. Because

800
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,320
running his fingers over it? Yeah. Because ink

801
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,180
usually absorbs into paper.

802
00:30:11,875 --> 00:30:14,674
This, I could the paint on a canvas

803
00:30:14,674 --> 00:30:15,414
or paper,

804
00:30:16,115 --> 00:30:17,554
I might be able to believe a little

805
00:30:17,554 --> 00:30:20,694
bit more because paint usually rests on top.

806
00:30:21,234 --> 00:30:24,035
And especially if, like, an oil or,

807
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:26,950
an acrylic, it will be it will have

808
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:29,029
texture on top of the paper, but ink

809
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:31,670
usually absorbs in a little bit. So when

810
00:30:31,670 --> 00:30:32,890
he's reading handwriting,

811
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:36,490
he's reading the indentation of the pen

812
00:30:36,944 --> 00:30:37,684
on the paper.

813
00:30:38,704 --> 00:30:40,404
And when he's reading a newspaper,

814
00:30:40,944 --> 00:30:43,424
that is something I don't know. Not not

815
00:30:43,424 --> 00:30:45,204
every book is going to be like this,

816
00:30:45,664 --> 00:30:46,164
but

817
00:30:46,704 --> 00:30:48,865
newspaper, if you run your finger over it,

818
00:30:48,865 --> 00:30:51,044
it's it doesn't it there is

819
00:30:51,769 --> 00:30:54,089
some texture. Now the idea is, of course,

820
00:30:54,089 --> 00:30:55,549
that he is such a superhuman

821
00:30:56,970 --> 00:30:59,529
with the sense of touch that he's able

822
00:30:59,529 --> 00:31:00,029
to,

823
00:31:02,089 --> 00:31:02,829
not just

824
00:31:03,210 --> 00:31:05,634
recognize bumps, but also recognize, like, the shape

825
00:31:05,634 --> 00:31:07,315
of the letters as he's going along and

826
00:31:07,315 --> 00:31:08,775
touching it. But

827
00:31:09,715 --> 00:31:11,815
yeah. So him feeling the painting,

828
00:31:12,515 --> 00:31:14,515
I get that. That's fine. It was just

829
00:31:14,515 --> 00:31:15,335
making the

830
00:31:15,955 --> 00:31:17,095
connection between

831
00:31:18,539 --> 00:31:20,160
two unrelated things

832
00:31:20,940 --> 00:31:22,940
and and and connecting them together. A two

833
00:31:22,940 --> 00:31:24,960
d representation of a woman's face,

834
00:31:25,820 --> 00:31:27,920
the actual face of his girlfriend,

835
00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:31,580
and realizing they're the same person. That just

836
00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:32,954
felt like a little bit of a stretch.

837
00:31:33,755 --> 00:31:35,835
Did it ruin it? No. What what ruined

838
00:31:35,835 --> 00:31:37,534
it for me was actually the flashback.

839
00:31:39,674 --> 00:31:41,355
I would've I think it would've been fine

840
00:31:41,355 --> 00:31:43,355
without it, but the flashback felt a little

841
00:31:43,355 --> 00:31:44,174
heavy handed.

842
00:31:44,554 --> 00:31:45,914
I feel like they needed to do the

843
00:31:45,914 --> 00:31:47,480
flash back to make sure we made the

844
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,480
connection because I don't know if I would

845
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,539
have made that connection

846
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,019
unless he had said something out loud

847
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:54,299
and said,

848
00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:56,220
this face feels just like,

849
00:31:56,679 --> 00:31:58,539
wait just a minute. You know?

850
00:31:59,634 --> 00:32:01,075
There's no good way for them to do

851
00:32:01,075 --> 00:32:02,434
it. There's no good way for them to

852
00:32:02,434 --> 00:32:04,035
do it. I feel like they would have

853
00:32:04,035 --> 00:32:05,555
been better off if they just said something

854
00:32:05,555 --> 00:32:06,055
like,

855
00:32:06,434 --> 00:32:08,595
Bastian Cooper. Yeah. Well, where is he? And

856
00:32:08,595 --> 00:32:10,994
he overheard the cops talking about or the

857
00:32:10,994 --> 00:32:12,694
task force even talking about,

858
00:32:13,829 --> 00:32:15,910
they know who he is, and they know

859
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:16,809
where he is.

860
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:18,890
Oh, I would have preferred that.

861
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:21,509
That's that's the only fix I can think

862
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:23,849
of. But It would have been better.

863
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:27,509
So And he has that super hearing. That

864
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:30,615
that makes sense. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But they

865
00:32:30,615 --> 00:32:32,795
wanted to be clever. It didn't work.

866
00:32:33,335 --> 00:32:34,695
But it does get us to some good

867
00:32:34,695 --> 00:32:35,914
stuff, which is

868
00:32:39,255 --> 00:32:41,035
Muse goes to see his therapist,

869
00:32:42,419 --> 00:32:44,119
and they have a nice conversation

870
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:45,720
until it turns homicidal,

871
00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:47,880
and that is not nice anymore.

872
00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:52,740
Fortunately, Daredevil comes crashing through the window like

873
00:32:52,740 --> 00:32:54,039
a superhero

874
00:32:54,819 --> 00:32:57,865
savior. He is there to save the day.

875
00:32:57,924 --> 00:33:01,544
Classic superhero stuff. We get a superhero battle.

876
00:33:02,565 --> 00:33:04,164
Should have told her. He should have told

877
00:33:04,164 --> 00:33:05,944
her before this moment.

878
00:33:06,244 --> 00:33:06,744
Yeah.

879
00:33:07,684 --> 00:33:10,904
He almost reveals he almost reveals it, but

880
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,059
she's already lost some blood.

881
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,900
She's lost blood,

882
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,180
and

883
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,880
what ends up happening is the fight is

884
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:19,380
won

885
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,720
not by Matt, but by Heather. She shoots

886
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,019
Muse with his gun,

887
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,100
but then she's out.

888
00:33:26,625 --> 00:33:29,025
And while she's laying on the ground, going

889
00:33:29,025 --> 00:33:29,525
unconscious

890
00:33:29,984 --> 00:33:32,704
from loss of blood, he says, Heather, stay

891
00:33:32,704 --> 00:33:35,505
with me. Don't you die on me. Don't

892
00:33:35,505 --> 00:33:37,505
you go. Don't you die on me. But

893
00:33:37,505 --> 00:33:39,299
he says her name, Heather.

894
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,320
And that is a little bit of a

895
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,000
clue, but she doesn't have time to pick

896
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,099
up on that because she's unconscious now.

897
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,160
And he gets out of there. The task

898
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,180
force comes. Fisk says,

899
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:51,380
take the credit.

900
00:33:51,825 --> 00:33:53,524
They take the credit, and

901
00:33:54,784 --> 00:33:56,244
then that's that's the episode.

902
00:33:59,105 --> 00:34:01,424
So this the the one other thing I

903
00:34:01,424 --> 00:34:03,424
would say about this episode is like so

904
00:34:03,424 --> 00:34:06,544
many superhero shows and and comics and and

905
00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:07,044
just

906
00:34:08,059 --> 00:34:08,800
this kind

907
00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:11,199
of hero show in general

908
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:12,800
where you have a primary

909
00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:15,679
hero, but also soap operas too, I guess.

910
00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:17,199
It relies on

911
00:34:17,579 --> 00:34:18,079
coincidence.

912
00:34:19,784 --> 00:34:22,364
It relies on coincidence. And one big coincidence

913
00:34:22,505 --> 00:34:23,005
is

914
00:34:23,864 --> 00:34:24,764
Fisk and Vanessa

915
00:34:25,065 --> 00:34:26,125
were seeing Heather,

916
00:34:27,304 --> 00:34:27,804
and

917
00:34:28,824 --> 00:34:29,804
Bastian Cooper

918
00:34:30,184 --> 00:34:31,085
was seeing Heather,

919
00:34:31,625 --> 00:34:32,125
and

920
00:34:32,585 --> 00:34:34,045
Matt is dating Heather.

921
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:37,119
And so you have these three spokes

922
00:34:37,660 --> 00:34:38,400
on the

923
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:40,860
hub of the wheel. Heather's the hub of

924
00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:41,440
the wheel.

925
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:42,480
And

926
00:34:43,260 --> 00:34:45,260
it's a little bit of a coincidence. People

927
00:34:45,260 --> 00:34:47,019
who are long time listeners to the show

928
00:34:47,019 --> 00:34:48,640
know I'm not a big fan of coincidence.

929
00:34:48,844 --> 00:34:50,944
You get one good coincidence.

930
00:34:52,364 --> 00:34:55,565
And for me, Fisk and Vanessa seeing Heather,

931
00:34:55,565 --> 00:34:57,264
that's your one good coincidence

932
00:34:58,045 --> 00:34:59,505
that really works well.

933
00:34:59,964 --> 00:35:00,704
But then

934
00:35:01,324 --> 00:35:03,424
throwing Bastian Cooper into the situation

935
00:35:05,179 --> 00:35:06,639
who also is seeing her

936
00:35:07,019 --> 00:35:07,839
as a therapist.

937
00:35:09,259 --> 00:35:09,759
Mhmm.

938
00:35:10,219 --> 00:35:11,739
Now there are things you can do to

939
00:35:11,739 --> 00:35:14,219
massage the coincidence out of it. She's an

940
00:35:14,219 --> 00:35:15,119
expert in

941
00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:18,779
identity and things like that, and she's, you

942
00:35:18,779 --> 00:35:19,279
know,

943
00:35:19,875 --> 00:35:21,315
preparing. I mean, she's so much an expert.

944
00:35:21,315 --> 00:35:23,155
She's preparing to talk about secret identities and

945
00:35:23,155 --> 00:35:23,655
vigilantes.

946
00:35:24,434 --> 00:35:24,934
But

947
00:35:26,675 --> 00:35:28,755
yeah. It it it's one of those things

948
00:35:28,755 --> 00:35:31,235
where I'm just, oh, okay. Alright. I gotta

949
00:35:31,235 --> 00:35:32,054
go with it.

950
00:35:32,789 --> 00:35:35,030
But the other thing that coincidences do is

951
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:37,530
they bring us to things like a fight

952
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:39,210
in the therapy office

953
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:40,730
because

954
00:35:41,989 --> 00:35:43,050
Daredevil is saving

955
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:44,570
his girlfriend

956
00:35:45,864 --> 00:35:47,244
from a homicidal maniac.

957
00:35:49,864 --> 00:35:50,364
Yeah.

958
00:35:50,985 --> 00:35:52,605
I was expect well

959
00:35:53,625 --> 00:35:54,425
well, then you couldn't

960
00:35:55,065 --> 00:35:56,525
what I thought would be

961
00:35:57,065 --> 00:35:58,605
make more sense is if

962
00:35:59,305 --> 00:35:59,805
Fisk

963
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,219
Fisk had asked Heather to,

964
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:05,579
somehow talk

965
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,699
to Bastian,

966
00:36:08,359 --> 00:36:09,099
but then

967
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,779
they would have to capture,

968
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,159
Muse, and he would have to be in

969
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,079
custody, and then he would not have this

970
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:16,945
fight. Yeah. Yeah.

971
00:36:17,405 --> 00:36:17,905
So

972
00:36:19,405 --> 00:36:21,885
alright. That is art for art's sake. Next,

973
00:36:21,885 --> 00:36:24,304
we have Isle Of Joy.

974
00:36:24,844 --> 00:36:26,364
I have one more note for art for

975
00:36:26,364 --> 00:36:27,005
art's sake.

976
00:36:27,485 --> 00:36:29,664
Taekwondo, in case anyone is wondering,

977
00:36:29,965 --> 00:36:30,465
I

978
00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:33,789
I I know very little of it.

979
00:36:34,570 --> 00:36:37,210
I do know the biggest difference between, say,

980
00:36:37,210 --> 00:36:38,590
jujitsu or aikido

981
00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:39,789
and taeKwonDo

982
00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:41,390
is the foot stance.

983
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:44,910
With, jiu jitsu and,

984
00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:46,954
aikido,

985
00:36:47,414 --> 00:36:49,115
you're attacking from the front,

986
00:36:49,894 --> 00:36:51,835
or from your front, whereas,

987
00:36:53,095 --> 00:36:55,735
with taekwondo, you're attacking from the side. And

988
00:36:55,735 --> 00:36:56,795
taekwondo is

989
00:36:57,175 --> 00:36:57,675
Korean,

990
00:36:58,215 --> 00:37:00,715
jiu jitsu, and aikido, they're Japanese.

991
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:02,410
There

992
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:05,289
you go. And,

993
00:37:05,989 --> 00:37:07,050
whatever it is,

994
00:37:07,989 --> 00:37:09,210
they had to do something.

995
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:11,130
Yeah. So that

996
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:14,150
the artist could be a martial artist. They

997
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:15,670
they had to do something so he could

998
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:16,184
stand up

999
00:37:16,744 --> 00:37:17,244
against,

1000
00:37:17,945 --> 00:37:18,445
Daredevil.

1001
00:37:18,744 --> 00:37:19,805
And at least,

1002
00:37:20,265 --> 00:37:21,805
at the very least,

1003
00:37:25,144 --> 00:37:26,505
have him be able to put up a

1004
00:37:26,505 --> 00:37:28,605
a little bit of a fight with Daredevil.

1005
00:37:29,465 --> 00:37:30,844
Oh, something else.

1006
00:37:32,609 --> 00:37:33,269
I think

1007
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:36,690
oh, gosh. The second episode from the last

1008
00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:38,230
episode that you talked about

1009
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:39,750
and this episode

1010
00:37:41,009 --> 00:37:42,609
would have made so much more sense as

1011
00:37:42,609 --> 00:37:43,509
a two parter.

1012
00:37:44,945 --> 00:37:45,844
Oh my gosh.

1013
00:37:47,344 --> 00:37:50,324
I can't help but agree with you. I

1014
00:37:50,625 --> 00:37:52,965
I wonder if there is something to do

1015
00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:53,605
with

1016
00:37:54,304 --> 00:37:56,625
the bank heist episode where they just felt

1017
00:37:56,625 --> 00:37:58,545
like it wasn't strong enough to stand on

1018
00:37:58,545 --> 00:38:00,769
its own. Oh, no. It was strong enough

1019
00:38:00,769 --> 00:38:02,769
to stand on its own. A %.

1020
00:38:02,769 --> 00:38:04,610
But I wonder if that's the reason is

1021
00:38:04,610 --> 00:38:05,829
they were saying, well,

1022
00:38:06,449 --> 00:38:08,150
we need to pair this up with something.

1023
00:38:09,409 --> 00:38:11,809
Because you are if if if the second

1024
00:38:11,809 --> 00:38:12,309
episode

1025
00:38:12,795 --> 00:38:14,875
from that when they did two episodes at

1026
00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:16,635
the same time, if that was the one

1027
00:38:16,635 --> 00:38:18,394
that they were worried about, you are a

1028
00:38:18,394 --> 00:38:20,954
% right. They should have waited a week

1029
00:38:20,954 --> 00:38:22,494
and paired it up with this episode.

1030
00:38:23,914 --> 00:38:24,815
It makes sense.

1031
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,420
I think it's a clerical error.

1032
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,819
I think somebody at Disney

1033
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:32,960
knew that there had to be a two

1034
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,219
parter somewhere in there, and they were told,

1035
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:36,099
oh,

1036
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,699
five and six.

1037
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,920
But instead, they should have been told six

1038
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,659
and seven.

1039
00:38:41,775 --> 00:38:42,434
Or maybe

1040
00:38:43,454 --> 00:38:45,454
in the reediting from the original,

1041
00:38:45,775 --> 00:38:48,514
set of episodes that were worked into

1042
00:38:49,295 --> 00:38:50,755
the new writing and directing,

1043
00:38:51,614 --> 00:38:53,714
maybe some episodes were moved around,

1044
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:56,839
and maybe the bank heist movie came in

1045
00:38:56,839 --> 00:38:57,339
later?

1046
00:38:58,279 --> 00:39:00,199
I don't know. Possible? I I don't know.

1047
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,279
I think it's it's largely a clerical error

1048
00:39:02,279 --> 00:39:04,199
if you ask me. In the grand scheme

1049
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:06,539
of things, for most people,

1050
00:39:08,525 --> 00:39:10,525
they didn't mind. Like, I was talking to

1051
00:39:10,525 --> 00:39:13,164
someone at work, and and he was, like

1052
00:39:13,404 --> 00:39:15,644
he loved both episodes that were aired that

1053
00:39:15,644 --> 00:39:17,565
aired at the same time. He liked them

1054
00:39:17,565 --> 00:39:18,065
both.

1055
00:39:19,005 --> 00:39:20,384
They're both strong episodes.

1056
00:39:22,859 --> 00:39:25,099
And, also, anyone who's not watching in real

1057
00:39:25,099 --> 00:39:27,599
time every week, they're not even gonna know.

1058
00:39:27,739 --> 00:39:29,819
It's not gonna matter at all because they're

1059
00:39:29,819 --> 00:39:31,519
just watching episode after episode,

1060
00:39:31,819 --> 00:39:33,339
one at a time, two at a time,

1061
00:39:33,339 --> 00:39:36,239
and it's on on their own schedule.

1062
00:39:37,045 --> 00:39:38,265
But you are right.

1063
00:39:39,364 --> 00:39:40,965
You are a %

1064
00:39:40,965 --> 00:39:41,465
right.

1065
00:39:42,005 --> 00:39:43,445
I and I didn't even think about that,

1066
00:39:43,445 --> 00:39:44,184
but, yeah,

1067
00:39:44,565 --> 00:39:46,344
makes it would make so much sense.

1068
00:39:49,284 --> 00:39:50,664
So much sense. Okay.

1069
00:39:51,045 --> 00:39:52,025
Isle of joy.

1070
00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:53,809
Isle of joy. Joy.

1071
00:39:54,430 --> 00:39:56,510
I wondered why they call this episode Isle

1072
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:57,550
of Joy, and,

1073
00:39:57,950 --> 00:40:00,030
it turns out there there's a novel called

1074
00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:01,410
Isle of Joy by

1075
00:40:02,110 --> 00:40:05,570
Don Winslow. It was released in 1996,

1076
00:40:05,755 --> 00:40:07,914
and it is a crime novel set in

1077
00:40:07,914 --> 00:40:08,414
Manhattan.

1078
00:40:11,835 --> 00:40:12,335
And

1079
00:40:13,195 --> 00:40:14,635
I would need to read through through the

1080
00:40:14,635 --> 00:40:16,875
whole thing to understand why they referenced this

1081
00:40:16,875 --> 00:40:17,375
book.

1082
00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:19,849
Is it possible that both of those titles

1083
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:20,670
are just referencing

1084
00:40:20,970 --> 00:40:21,470
Manhattan?

1085
00:40:21,930 --> 00:40:24,010
I'm pretty sure it is. As the as

1086
00:40:24,010 --> 00:40:26,329
Isle Of Joy? Okay. Well, not just Manhattan,

1087
00:40:26,329 --> 00:40:28,890
but also the corruption within, that's pretty clear

1088
00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:30,190
I can see from the synopsis.

1089
00:40:31,454 --> 00:40:32,675
Interesting. Yeah.

1090
00:40:32,974 --> 00:40:33,474
Alright.

1091
00:40:34,414 --> 00:40:36,675
So Poindexter gets transferred to Genpop

1092
00:40:37,775 --> 00:40:39,474
where he could easily get killed,

1093
00:40:40,494 --> 00:40:41,855
sort of. But but he has to wear,

1094
00:40:41,855 --> 00:40:42,994
like, this muffler

1095
00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:46,159
thing Yeah. On his hands.

1096
00:40:47,179 --> 00:40:47,679
Yeah.

1097
00:40:49,099 --> 00:40:49,599
Meanwhile,

1098
00:40:50,539 --> 00:40:53,440
Fisk shows Vanessa his cage for Adam,

1099
00:40:54,219 --> 00:40:56,000
and he says, I kept my promise.

1100
00:40:56,380 --> 00:40:57,614
I didn't kill him.

1101
00:40:58,094 --> 00:41:00,175
I keep him in a cage. I taunt

1102
00:41:00,175 --> 00:41:02,355
him by eating dinner in front of him.

1103
00:41:02,494 --> 00:41:03,855
I beat him up every once in a

1104
00:41:03,855 --> 00:41:05,715
while, but I promise.

1105
00:41:06,735 --> 00:41:09,315
I kept my promise not to kill him.

1106
00:41:09,614 --> 00:41:12,170
And then Vanessa's all, I didn't make a

1107
00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:13,869
promise, and she shoots him.

1108
00:41:15,769 --> 00:41:18,489
I actually love that scene opposite of the

1109
00:41:18,489 --> 00:41:19,949
scene with Heather and Matt.

1110
00:41:21,849 --> 00:41:22,589
Oh, totally.

1111
00:41:22,969 --> 00:41:24,190
Yeah. They were cut together.

1112
00:41:25,255 --> 00:41:27,094
And there's a bunch of cutting together that's

1113
00:41:27,094 --> 00:41:27,994
happened with

1114
00:41:28,454 --> 00:41:30,155
Heather and Matt and

1115
00:41:30,454 --> 00:41:31,994
and Fisk and Vanessa.

1116
00:41:34,454 --> 00:41:36,295
And as as a style thing, it's a

1117
00:41:36,295 --> 00:41:36,954
great flourish.

1118
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:38,659
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because,

1119
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,059
Matt and,

1120
00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:44,739
Wilson are having these parallel arcs,

1121
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,619
but these two scenes specifically

1122
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:48,500
are

1123
00:41:49,695 --> 00:41:50,974
opposites of each other.

1124
00:41:51,454 --> 00:41:54,015
Wilson and Vanessa are have become closer in

1125
00:41:54,015 --> 00:41:55,795
this scene through death,

1126
00:41:56,894 --> 00:41:57,394
where

1127
00:41:57,695 --> 00:41:59,135
Heather and Matt are

1128
00:42:01,135 --> 00:42:03,375
I mean, the blocking of the scenes, will

1129
00:42:03,535 --> 00:42:05,155
Wilson and Vanessa are together.

1130
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:07,769
Heather and Matt in in his apartment,

1131
00:42:08,389 --> 00:42:11,030
oh, they're on opposite sides of this giant

1132
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:11,530
room

1133
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:14,949
except for when Buck stops by to invite

1134
00:42:14,949 --> 00:42:16,809
Heather to the the ball.

1135
00:42:17,605 --> 00:42:20,184
Yeah. And the the the staging changes

1136
00:42:20,644 --> 00:42:21,144
where

1137
00:42:21,765 --> 00:42:23,465
Matt steps in between them.

1138
00:42:23,765 --> 00:42:25,545
Yeah. And you have this kind of weird

1139
00:42:25,765 --> 00:42:26,664
weird blocking,

1140
00:42:27,364 --> 00:42:29,285
but, I mean, it it fits the apartment.

1141
00:42:29,285 --> 00:42:31,065
I mean, that's that's the part of it.

1142
00:42:31,125 --> 00:42:33,179
But you have the guy outside the door

1143
00:42:33,260 --> 00:42:34,159
with the invitation,

1144
00:42:34,539 --> 00:42:37,339
Matt's in between, and then and then Heather

1145
00:42:37,339 --> 00:42:39,440
is is on the other side of Matt.

1146
00:42:41,019 --> 00:42:42,300
And, I mean, this is one of those

1147
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:45,019
things where they the physical blocking and this

1148
00:42:45,019 --> 00:42:45,519
is

1149
00:42:46,144 --> 00:42:47,284
television, film,

1150
00:42:47,585 --> 00:42:48,644
stage, whatever.

1151
00:42:49,505 --> 00:42:50,804
When the physical blocking

1152
00:42:52,144 --> 00:42:54,405
is a part of the storytelling

1153
00:42:54,784 --> 00:42:55,684
and the emotional

1154
00:42:58,065 --> 00:43:00,405
and reveals the emotional state of things,

1155
00:43:02,449 --> 00:43:03,429
Because then,

1156
00:43:05,089 --> 00:43:06,530
yeah, it's clear what Matt's trying to do.

1157
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:08,150
He's trying to protect her from Fisk.

1158
00:43:09,409 --> 00:43:12,009
Maybe also protect himself from Fisk too Yeah.

1159
00:43:12,130 --> 00:43:13,809
A little bit. But And and there's more

1160
00:43:13,809 --> 00:43:15,569
I wanna talk about with the lighting because

1161
00:43:15,569 --> 00:43:17,614
they're in, like, this blue heavenly lighting

1162
00:43:17,914 --> 00:43:19,535
overlooking the city, heaven.

1163
00:43:19,994 --> 00:43:22,894
But they're having this really terrible argument, whereas

1164
00:43:23,114 --> 00:43:24,974
you see Wilson and Vanessa,

1165
00:43:25,835 --> 00:43:26,894
they're in a basement.

1166
00:43:28,074 --> 00:43:30,094
A dungeon, no less. Like In a dungeon.

1167
00:43:30,235 --> 00:43:30,690
Yeah.

1168
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:33,569
And the lighting is a little I wouldn't

1169
00:43:33,569 --> 00:43:34,389
say red,

1170
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:35,989
but it's more amber,

1171
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:39,030
and it's very enclosed. And

1172
00:43:39,569 --> 00:43:41,489
you could say it's sort sort of a

1173
00:43:41,489 --> 00:43:41,989
hell.

1174
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:43,750
And

1175
00:43:44,164 --> 00:43:46,644
but I've noticed that for much of the

1176
00:43:46,644 --> 00:43:49,125
season, it's actually been the opposite for Wilson

1177
00:43:49,125 --> 00:43:49,684
and Matt,

1178
00:43:50,244 --> 00:43:50,744
Matt.

1179
00:43:52,565 --> 00:43:53,065
Wilson

1180
00:43:53,684 --> 00:43:54,344
is usually

1181
00:43:54,885 --> 00:43:57,284
lit well with a blue light, and Matt

1182
00:43:57,284 --> 00:43:59,304
is lit with a reddish light.

1183
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:02,000
So

1184
00:44:02,619 --> 00:44:03,680
there's sort of

1185
00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:06,699
a switching of where they are in this

1186
00:44:06,699 --> 00:44:07,440
scene, but

1187
00:44:07,820 --> 00:44:08,320
that's

1188
00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:12,559
a very deep technical

1189
00:44:13,180 --> 00:44:14,385
Yeah. Yeah.

1190
00:44:14,684 --> 00:44:17,164
Observation. But I I saw the scene, and

1191
00:44:17,164 --> 00:44:18,925
I was like, I love this scene so

1192
00:44:18,925 --> 00:44:21,405
much, these two scenes put together, and there's

1193
00:44:21,405 --> 00:44:23,184
all these parallels and contrasts.

1194
00:44:23,485 --> 00:44:24,545
And yeah.

1195
00:44:27,860 --> 00:44:29,480
So their fight is about

1196
00:44:30,340 --> 00:44:30,840
Fisk,

1197
00:44:31,219 --> 00:44:33,000
and he actually kinda figures out

1198
00:44:33,940 --> 00:44:35,940
that Fisk and Vanessa, or at least Fisk

1199
00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:37,159
has been seeing Heather.

1200
00:44:38,099 --> 00:44:38,500
But,

1201
00:44:39,140 --> 00:44:41,780
As a patient. Yeah. Yes. And she can't

1202
00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:42,760
reveal that.

1203
00:44:43,454 --> 00:44:44,675
Like, it's it's patient

1204
00:44:45,375 --> 00:44:45,875
therapist

1205
00:44:46,175 --> 00:44:48,095
privilege, you know, and so she can't reveal

1206
00:44:48,095 --> 00:44:49,795
that. But the other thing is

1207
00:44:50,175 --> 00:44:52,815
she's mentioning things like Daredevil and Muse are

1208
00:44:52,815 --> 00:44:54,035
cut from the same mold.

1209
00:44:55,055 --> 00:44:56,275
Like, they're the same.

1210
00:44:57,179 --> 00:44:58,780
Of course, she doesn't know who she's talking

1211
00:44:58,780 --> 00:45:01,739
to. Like, this is literally Daredevil that she's

1212
00:45:01,739 --> 00:45:03,820
talking to. But Okay. I got my pointer

1213
00:45:03,820 --> 00:45:05,099
in my hand. I got the I got

1214
00:45:05,099 --> 00:45:05,760
the whiteboard.

1215
00:45:06,139 --> 00:45:08,159
Tell her the truth.

1216
00:45:12,614 --> 00:45:13,114
Yeah.

1217
00:45:14,135 --> 00:45:15,015
So it just

1218
00:45:15,735 --> 00:45:16,954
it's it's a great,

1219
00:45:18,454 --> 00:45:20,474
dynamic that we have going on here.

1220
00:45:20,934 --> 00:45:22,394
It's a it's a great dynamic.

1221
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:27,119
Alright. So from there,

1222
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:28,380
from the,

1223
00:45:29,099 --> 00:45:29,599
argument,

1224
00:45:30,619 --> 00:45:33,180
Matt leaves. He's unhappy, but he agrees maybe

1225
00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:35,119
he'll go. He'll go to the the ball.

1226
00:45:36,494 --> 00:45:38,434
If if you're gonna make me fine. Whatever.

1227
00:45:38,655 --> 00:45:40,034
Yeah. And then

1228
00:45:40,574 --> 00:45:42,914
stomps out, slams the door, basically,

1229
00:45:44,174 --> 00:45:45,234
goes to the office.

1230
00:45:46,974 --> 00:45:49,679
Oh gosh. And then the office wife gives

1231
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:51,440
him an you know, tears him a new

1232
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:51,940
one.

1233
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,360
Yeah. Are you hurt? What's going on? You

1234
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,280
know? And and so that's that's a whole

1235
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:57,780
thing.

1236
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,880
She's not wrong to be upset that he's

1237
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,260
thirty five minutes late.

1238
00:46:02,664 --> 00:46:05,565
Well, that is true. Yeah. That is true.

1239
00:46:06,424 --> 00:46:06,924
So,

1240
00:46:07,864 --> 00:46:09,964
but in the in the midst of that,

1241
00:46:10,424 --> 00:46:13,144
she reveals to Matt that Poyn Dexter is

1242
00:46:13,144 --> 00:46:15,625
in gen pop, in general population in the

1243
00:46:15,625 --> 00:46:16,125
prison,

1244
00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:18,460
and that he also wants to see Matt.

1245
00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:19,440
So Matt goes.

1246
00:46:20,779 --> 00:46:22,139
He wants to find out what's going on,

1247
00:46:22,139 --> 00:46:23,900
but he also wants to find out, wait

1248
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:25,759
a minute. Who hired you

1249
00:46:26,139 --> 00:46:27,119
to get foggy?

1250
00:46:27,579 --> 00:46:28,239
You know?

1251
00:46:28,824 --> 00:46:29,324
Because

1252
00:46:29,704 --> 00:46:31,304
he doesn't choose to go right away. He

1253
00:46:31,304 --> 00:46:33,785
goes to Josie's first. And when he goes

1254
00:46:33,785 --> 00:46:34,445
to Josie's,

1255
00:46:34,985 --> 00:46:37,224
Josie says, Ah, he was gonna drink this

1256
00:46:37,224 --> 00:46:38,125
bottle here,

1257
00:46:38,425 --> 00:46:39,945
and it was gonna be great. It was

1258
00:46:39,945 --> 00:46:40,844
gonna be wonderful.

1259
00:46:41,785 --> 00:46:42,285
And

1260
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,500
he realizes, wait just a minute.

1261
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,099
Hold on.

1262
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,219
That's his victory

1263
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:51,500
drink.

1264
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,559
That's what he would drink if it was

1265
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:54,219
a victory.

1266
00:46:55,255 --> 00:46:57,195
And he realizes that he knew

1267
00:46:57,574 --> 00:46:59,655
he was going to win the case that

1268
00:46:59,655 --> 00:47:02,074
they were hiding the guy in episode one.

1269
00:47:02,534 --> 00:47:03,755
And that's when he realizes

1270
00:47:04,295 --> 00:47:04,795
that

1271
00:47:06,855 --> 00:47:09,494
Foggy was targeted and was being silenced by

1272
00:47:09,494 --> 00:47:09,994
someone.

1273
00:47:12,430 --> 00:47:14,110
I'd like to know more about that case.

1274
00:47:14,110 --> 00:47:17,390
What was going on? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

1275
00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:18,910
now he wants to find out who hired

1276
00:47:18,910 --> 00:47:20,450
Poindexter to kill Fogie.

1277
00:47:20,829 --> 00:47:24,030
Doesn't he slams Poindexter's face into the table

1278
00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:25,630
when the conversation doesn't get him what he

1279
00:47:25,630 --> 00:47:27,795
wants, and now it's time for the ball.

1280
00:47:28,414 --> 00:47:28,914
Oh,

1281
00:47:29,934 --> 00:47:30,434
O'Melveny's.

1282
00:47:31,695 --> 00:47:33,394
Did you know that this is a reference?

1283
00:47:34,255 --> 00:47:34,755
To?

1284
00:47:35,535 --> 00:47:38,114
To O'Melveny and Myers LLP.

1285
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:40,219
They were the

1286
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:41,820
law firm that represented,

1287
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:45,320
I think, Marvel Studios in when they made

1288
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,619
the agreement with Disney

1289
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:49,260
to Interesting. Work together.

1290
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:50,460
Okay.

1291
00:47:51,945 --> 00:47:54,045
Some people would say, why are we celebrating

1292
00:47:54,105 --> 00:47:55,005
that? But

1293
00:47:56,025 --> 00:47:57,164
yeah. Yeah.

1294
00:47:57,625 --> 00:47:58,765
Alright. So

1295
00:47:59,144 --> 00:48:00,765
Melvaney's is a win.

1296
00:48:01,224 --> 00:48:04,425
And it absolutely sounds like a great whiskey

1297
00:48:04,425 --> 00:48:06,210
or Scotch. I don't remember what kind of

1298
00:48:06,289 --> 00:48:09,010
drink it was. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like a

1299
00:48:09,010 --> 00:48:11,969
good one. So I I wouldn't know. So

1300
00:48:12,449 --> 00:48:13,809
Well, I mean, it sounds a great name

1301
00:48:13,809 --> 00:48:15,909
for it. Yes. Yes. Yes.

1302
00:48:16,369 --> 00:48:16,869
So

1303
00:48:18,369 --> 00:48:20,469
because Matt smashed Poindexter's

1304
00:48:20,769 --> 00:48:22,070
face into the table,

1305
00:48:22,744 --> 00:48:24,204
he has to go to the doctor.

1306
00:48:24,744 --> 00:48:26,505
Because he has to go to the doctor,

1307
00:48:26,505 --> 00:48:27,724
he gets some stitches,

1308
00:48:28,025 --> 00:48:28,765
but, also,

1309
00:48:29,785 --> 00:48:32,344
he has a loose tooth. There's a broken

1310
00:48:32,344 --> 00:48:34,925
tooth, and he's able to work it out

1311
00:48:35,340 --> 00:48:37,500
inside his mouth. And as they are getting

1312
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:39,500
ready to let him get up from the

1313
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:41,440
chair and start unshackling

1314
00:48:41,820 --> 00:48:44,960
him, he spits the tooth with precision

1315
00:48:45,739 --> 00:48:47,119
bull's eye accuracy

1316
00:48:48,059 --> 00:48:49,119
into the guard's

1317
00:48:49,565 --> 00:48:50,065
eye,

1318
00:48:50,525 --> 00:48:51,905
and then he escapes.

1319
00:48:53,085 --> 00:48:53,585
And

1320
00:48:54,204 --> 00:48:56,765
everyone's going to the ball now. Everyone is.

1321
00:48:56,765 --> 00:48:58,765
Even Matt. Matt comes to the ball. He's

1322
00:48:58,765 --> 00:48:59,265
late,

1323
00:49:00,285 --> 00:49:01,184
but he comes.

1324
00:49:02,289 --> 00:49:04,449
Meanwhile, at the ball, Fisk is doing The

1325
00:49:04,449 --> 00:49:05,989
Godfather one on ones

1326
00:49:06,929 --> 00:49:08,449
during the ball. He's bringing people in. He's

1327
00:49:08,449 --> 00:49:09,829
talking to people about money,

1328
00:49:10,690 --> 00:49:12,630
and the swordsman comes back.

1329
00:49:12,929 --> 00:49:13,429
Yes.

1330
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:16,389
The swordsman is back, and

1331
00:49:17,445 --> 00:49:17,945
I

1332
00:49:18,405 --> 00:49:19,844
I love that they brought him in. But

1333
00:49:19,844 --> 00:49:21,204
not only do I love that they brought

1334
00:49:21,204 --> 00:49:23,224
him in, I love that they

1335
00:49:23,844 --> 00:49:24,744
are using

1336
00:49:25,765 --> 00:49:26,585
his work

1337
00:49:27,045 --> 00:49:27,864
as a vigilante.

1338
00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:32,400
Fisk is like, hey. You could be next.

1339
00:49:33,099 --> 00:49:33,760
You know?

1340
00:49:34,059 --> 00:49:36,079
My task force could come after you.

1341
00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:37,840
And

1342
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:40,800
it that that I found that fascinating.

1343
00:49:41,180 --> 00:49:43,440
That is Then blackmailing the swordsman?

1344
00:49:44,175 --> 00:49:47,775
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The other interesting thing

1345
00:49:47,775 --> 00:49:50,094
that happens here is BB goes and talks

1346
00:49:50,094 --> 00:49:51,315
to the chief of police

1347
00:49:52,735 --> 00:49:53,635
or the captain,

1348
00:49:54,574 --> 00:49:57,454
whatever he is. But the commissioner. Commissioner. That's

1349
00:49:57,454 --> 00:49:58,829
what I'm looking for. He goes and talks

1350
00:49:58,829 --> 00:50:00,530
to she goes and talks to the commissioner

1351
00:50:01,390 --> 00:50:02,110
and says

1352
00:50:02,829 --> 00:50:04,670
and he's like, yeah. You're just gonna, you

1353
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:06,590
know, print what they want you to print,

1354
00:50:06,590 --> 00:50:08,610
blah blah blah. And she says, hey.

1355
00:50:09,070 --> 00:50:10,930
I print what they want me to print

1356
00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:12,590
so it can get me where I need

1357
00:50:12,590 --> 00:50:14,210
to go because I know

1358
00:50:14,644 --> 00:50:15,704
that my uncle

1359
00:50:16,244 --> 00:50:16,984
was killed

1360
00:50:17,684 --> 00:50:18,664
by these people.

1361
00:50:19,525 --> 00:50:21,844
And she says, and I am not only

1362
00:50:21,844 --> 00:50:22,744
printing things

1363
00:50:24,005 --> 00:50:25,704
under my own name.

1364
00:50:27,110 --> 00:50:29,510
Get me some information, and that information is

1365
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:30,489
gonna get out.

1366
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:33,610
That's kinda nice. Little

1367
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:34,730
little

1368
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:37,349
wheeling and dealing there. She knows what's going

1369
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:39,590
on. She knows the score, and she is

1370
00:50:39,590 --> 00:50:41,690
not just so she's basically

1371
00:50:43,345 --> 00:50:45,525
a superhero with a secret identity as well.

1372
00:50:46,545 --> 00:50:47,684
Yeah. Yeah.

1373
00:50:49,985 --> 00:50:50,885
I guess so.

1374
00:50:51,184 --> 00:50:51,684
Unfortunately,

1375
00:50:52,065 --> 00:50:53,505
we also get to see what the task

1376
00:50:53,505 --> 00:50:55,105
force does with one of the people that

1377
00:50:55,105 --> 00:50:56,644
Fisk is not happy with.

1378
00:50:57,059 --> 00:50:58,660
I I had to look away for that

1379
00:50:58,660 --> 00:50:59,160
scene.

1380
00:50:59,619 --> 00:51:01,780
And and commissioner comes in on them. He

1381
00:51:01,780 --> 00:51:03,619
says, hey. Don't you do that. Because if

1382
00:51:03,619 --> 00:51:05,940
you do that, I'm gonna I'm gonna write

1383
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:07,960
you up, and you'll get a detention

1384
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:09,880
for Saturday school or something.

1385
00:51:10,775 --> 00:51:13,275
And the guy's like, oh, no. You're not.

1386
00:51:13,494 --> 00:51:15,414
And then he just goes ahead in front

1387
00:51:15,414 --> 00:51:16,954
of the commissioner and just

1388
00:51:17,255 --> 00:51:20,555
dumps the guy's hand into a bat of

1389
00:51:21,015 --> 00:51:21,515
boiling

1390
00:51:22,215 --> 00:51:22,715
oil.

1391
00:51:23,094 --> 00:51:25,355
Ew. Gross. It hurts. It's unfortunate.

1392
00:51:27,809 --> 00:51:30,530
And commissioner's like, oh, shoot. This is not

1393
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:32,150
good. No. I'm

1394
00:51:32,530 --> 00:51:34,050
I'm I'm in over my head here. This

1395
00:51:34,050 --> 00:51:36,610
isn't good. And then that officer threatens the

1396
00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:38,530
commissioner. He's like, no. You're not gonna do

1397
00:51:38,530 --> 00:51:41,005
anything to me. Yep. Nothing. Yep. Because they

1398
00:51:41,005 --> 00:51:41,505
have

1399
00:51:42,204 --> 00:51:45,485
complete control. They have complete authority here because

1400
00:51:45,485 --> 00:51:47,905
Fisk has given it to them. They

1401
00:51:49,244 --> 00:51:50,945
they could do whatever they want.

1402
00:51:51,244 --> 00:51:52,925
They can do whatever they want, however they

1403
00:51:52,925 --> 00:51:53,824
wanna do it.

1404
00:51:54,750 --> 00:51:55,250
So,

1405
00:51:57,070 --> 00:51:58,449
then it's dancing time.

1406
00:51:59,789 --> 00:52:01,969
Matt is gonna go confront Fisk.

1407
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:04,909
And as he goes to confront Fisk, he's

1408
00:52:04,909 --> 00:52:07,070
ready, but just before he gets a chance

1409
00:52:07,070 --> 00:52:08,775
to and Fisk is ready for him too.

1410
00:52:09,094 --> 00:52:11,275
But just before he gets a chance to,

1411
00:52:11,974 --> 00:52:13,355
it's time for the first dance.

1412
00:52:13,734 --> 00:52:15,755
So Fisk and Vanessa start dancing.

1413
00:52:16,295 --> 00:52:18,234
Matt and Heather start dancing.

1414
00:52:18,855 --> 00:52:21,809
And this is where we have, again, some

1415
00:52:21,809 --> 00:52:25,190
really skillful storytelling is happening here. Yeah.

1416
00:52:25,890 --> 00:52:28,230
The other thing is Matt is wearing black.

1417
00:52:28,690 --> 00:52:30,470
He's wearing a black tie tuxedo.

1418
00:52:31,410 --> 00:52:32,869
Fisk is all in white.

1419
00:52:34,875 --> 00:52:35,375
Karen

1420
00:52:36,875 --> 00:52:39,295
not Karen. Vanessa is all in red.

1421
00:52:39,835 --> 00:52:40,335
Yes.

1422
00:52:40,635 --> 00:52:42,875
I'm glad Heather is that. And Heather is

1423
00:52:42,875 --> 00:52:43,614
all white.

1424
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:50,340
Which That's on purpose. All that's on purpose.

1425
00:52:50,340 --> 00:52:52,019
Oh, it's it's on purpose more than you

1426
00:52:52,019 --> 00:52:52,519
know.

1427
00:52:54,420 --> 00:52:57,000
It's related back to Daredevil season three finale.

1428
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:58,039
Oh, okay.

1429
00:52:58,340 --> 00:52:59,940
Yeah. So keep an eye out for that.

1430
00:52:59,940 --> 00:53:01,619
Alright. I'm not gonna spoil it for you,

1431
00:53:01,619 --> 00:53:01,994
but

1432
00:53:03,434 --> 00:53:05,914
there's a very specific scene that that red

1433
00:53:05,914 --> 00:53:07,375
dress is pointing to,

1434
00:53:08,235 --> 00:53:10,075
and you'll catch it in the finale. I

1435
00:53:10,235 --> 00:53:11,695
and I I will find that

1436
00:53:12,235 --> 00:53:14,175
out soon soon enough. But

1437
00:53:14,954 --> 00:53:15,934
as they're dancing,

1438
00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:18,160
Matt realizes

1439
00:53:18,780 --> 00:53:20,160
through superpower hearing,

1440
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:21,599
it was Vanessa.

1441
00:53:22,940 --> 00:53:23,920
It was Vanessa

1442
00:53:26,860 --> 00:53:28,079
who made the hit.

1443
00:53:28,380 --> 00:53:30,079
It was Vanessa all along.

1444
00:53:33,744 --> 00:53:35,925
And I even killed the little dog too.

1445
00:53:38,224 --> 00:53:40,545
It was her. The whole time, she was

1446
00:53:40,545 --> 00:53:44,005
the one who hired Poindexter to kill Foggy.

1447
00:53:44,704 --> 00:53:45,844
And so before

1448
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:48,980
she's able to reveal this to Fisk,

1449
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:50,660
Matt cuts in.

1450
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,940
And now Matt is dancing with Vanessa,

1451
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:56,960
and Heather is dancing with Fisk. And Heather

1452
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,739
and Fisk are both all in white.

1453
00:53:59,594 --> 00:54:00,094
And

1454
00:54:00,394 --> 00:54:02,974
Matt in his tuxedo is dancing with Vanessa

1455
00:54:03,114 --> 00:54:04,414
and confronting her,

1456
00:54:04,715 --> 00:54:07,855
but Poindexter has arrived. He is there.

1457
00:54:08,635 --> 00:54:11,755
He has a gun. Matt realizes this, and

1458
00:54:11,755 --> 00:54:13,675
so Matt is able to jump in front

1459
00:54:13,675 --> 00:54:14,494
of the bullet.

1460
00:54:15,539 --> 00:54:17,000
But is he trying to save

1461
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:17,800
Heather?

1462
00:54:18,660 --> 00:54:20,440
Is he trying to save Fisk?

1463
00:54:21,619 --> 00:54:23,059
No. He's he's,

1464
00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:25,079
taking in something that Poindexter

1465
00:54:25,460 --> 00:54:27,640
said at the at the prison, which was

1466
00:54:28,194 --> 00:54:30,275
that's what good men do. They defend their

1467
00:54:30,275 --> 00:54:31,094
worst enemies.

1468
00:54:31,554 --> 00:54:32,534
And he does.

1469
00:54:33,795 --> 00:54:34,694
And then

1470
00:54:35,315 --> 00:54:37,635
Fisk, like a chicken, runs off and leaves

1471
00:54:37,635 --> 00:54:39,414
Matt bleeding on the dance floor.

1472
00:54:40,674 --> 00:54:42,934
And now Heather is leaning over Matt.

1473
00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:46,369
Don't you die on me. Yeah. Don't you

1474
00:54:46,369 --> 00:54:48,769
don't you dare. Oh, I I missed that.

1475
00:54:48,769 --> 00:54:50,150
There's a parallel there.

1476
00:54:50,609 --> 00:54:53,329
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, when he wakes up

1477
00:54:53,329 --> 00:54:54,690
from that coma that I know I know

1478
00:54:54,690 --> 00:54:56,949
he's gonna go into, he better tell her

1479
00:54:57,010 --> 00:54:57,909
the truth.

1480
00:54:58,574 --> 00:55:00,275
When he wakes up, he's gonna say,

1481
00:55:01,375 --> 00:55:03,135
I heard her say my name. She know

1482
00:55:03,135 --> 00:55:03,954
who I was.

1483
00:55:06,175 --> 00:55:07,614
And Heather would be like, yeah. I knew

1484
00:55:07,614 --> 00:55:09,394
who you were because you're

1485
00:55:09,695 --> 00:55:10,994
we're dating. You know?

1486
00:55:13,949 --> 00:55:15,409
So that is our episode.

1487
00:55:15,869 --> 00:55:18,269
To be fair, I mean, back in the

1488
00:55:18,269 --> 00:55:21,409
fight with Muse in the previous episode,

1489
00:55:22,269 --> 00:55:24,269
I mean, her name was on the office

1490
00:55:24,269 --> 00:55:25,250
door, I guess.

1491
00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:27,250
But he came in through the window.

1492
00:55:27,755 --> 00:55:29,515
Maybe she had a little plaque on her

1493
00:55:29,515 --> 00:55:30,015
desk?

1494
00:55:30,635 --> 00:55:32,474
Also, I mean, how else would he know

1495
00:55:32,474 --> 00:55:34,974
to go into that one particular place? Yes.

1496
00:55:35,035 --> 00:55:36,414
He's going into the place

1497
00:55:37,035 --> 00:55:38,414
for where the therapist

1498
00:55:39,035 --> 00:55:41,054
resides, the psychologist resides,

1499
00:55:42,210 --> 00:55:43,909
and does her business.

1500
00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:45,670
And

1501
00:55:46,050 --> 00:55:47,730
so, I mean, he he clearly I mean,

1502
00:55:47,730 --> 00:55:49,170
there are ways he could have known her

1503
00:55:49,170 --> 00:55:49,989
name. But,

1504
00:55:51,650 --> 00:55:52,150
anyway

1505
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:55,329
yeah. So another strong episode and leading up

1506
00:55:55,329 --> 00:55:57,844
to, hopefully, what will be a strong episode

1507
00:55:58,864 --> 00:56:01,744
with our next next episode, episode nine. I'm

1508
00:56:01,744 --> 00:56:03,045
looking forward to it.

1509
00:56:04,625 --> 00:56:06,465
Alright. Well, I think it is time for

1510
00:56:06,465 --> 00:56:08,545
us to check and see if you have

1511
00:56:08,545 --> 00:56:09,445
any other notes.

1512
00:56:10,704 --> 00:56:12,164
That's it. We're we're

1513
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:14,840
through all of them, I think. Alright. Check

1514
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,280
and see if you have any last words,

1515
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:17,519
final words for our

1516
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,900
Uh-huh. Before we shut this episode down.

1517
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,559
Oh, there is one note.

1518
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,920
It's just something that's popped up throughout the

1519
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:25,420
entire

1520
00:56:25,734 --> 00:56:27,574
season so far. There's just a lot of

1521
00:56:27,574 --> 00:56:30,135
analogies about animals and jungles and zoo. I

1522
00:56:30,135 --> 00:56:31,755
mean, the song in

1523
00:56:32,214 --> 00:56:32,954
that they've

1524
00:56:33,655 --> 00:56:34,394
that was,

1525
00:56:34,775 --> 00:56:36,534
sung on that, when they were doing that

1526
00:56:36,534 --> 00:56:37,034
dance,

1527
00:56:38,054 --> 00:56:38,875
even references,

1528
00:56:39,894 --> 00:56:41,034
the Bronx Zoo.

1529
00:56:43,539 --> 00:56:46,500
So there it's just a lot of, I'm

1530
00:56:46,500 --> 00:56:47,159
an animal.

1531
00:56:47,539 --> 00:56:49,460
There are animals. That's a different kind of

1532
00:56:49,460 --> 00:56:49,960
animal.

1533
00:56:51,539 --> 00:56:53,699
This prison is a jungle, you know, that

1534
00:56:53,699 --> 00:56:54,440
kind of thing,

1535
00:56:56,684 --> 00:56:58,864
which I'm sure is gonna somehow tie into

1536
00:56:59,885 --> 00:57:01,505
Heather's next book on superheroes.

1537
00:57:03,565 --> 00:57:05,804
Yeah. We'll we'll see if she gets to

1538
00:57:05,804 --> 00:57:07,889
write that book. Yeah. We'll see. Or if

1539
00:57:07,889 --> 00:57:09,809
she still wants to when she finds out

1540
00:57:09,809 --> 00:57:11,349
because Bat told her the truth.

1541
00:57:11,650 --> 00:57:13,269
Let's hope so. Maybe.

1542
00:57:13,889 --> 00:57:14,389
Maybe.

1543
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:15,190
K.

1544
00:57:15,889 --> 00:57:16,389
Alright.

1545
00:57:16,769 --> 00:57:18,469
Well, any final words?

1546
00:57:19,329 --> 00:57:21,829
I would like to thank our Patreon patrons.

1547
00:57:23,655 --> 00:57:27,815
Blessed Cheesemaker, Jeffrey, Andrew, Tazzle, and Edwin, thank

1548
00:57:27,815 --> 00:57:29,114
you all so very much.

1549
00:57:29,655 --> 00:57:31,735
I would I would echo that. Thank you

1550
00:57:31,735 --> 00:57:32,474
very much.

1551
00:57:32,855 --> 00:57:34,934
And I just wanna leave you with some

1552
00:57:34,934 --> 00:57:35,914
words of advice,

1553
00:57:37,094 --> 00:57:37,835
a blessing,

1554
00:57:38,260 --> 00:57:39,559
a blessing on you.

1555
00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:42,500
May you always remember to forget the things

1556
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:43,480
that make you sad,

1557
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:45,000
but never forget

1558
00:57:45,780 --> 00:57:47,000
to remember the things

1559
00:57:48,420 --> 00:57:49,960
that make you glad.

1560
00:57:53,174 --> 00:57:55,414
Thanks for listening to Welcome to Level seven.

1561
00:57:55,414 --> 00:57:56,934
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1562
00:57:56,934 --> 00:57:58,614
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1569
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1576
00:58:27,675 --> 00:58:29,434
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1577
00:58:29,434 --> 00:58:31,594
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1578
00:58:31,594 --> 00:58:34,255
Until next time, thanks for listening and Godspeed.

1579
00:58:54,525 --> 00:58:56,684
The other choice for quote at the end

1580
00:58:56,684 --> 00:58:58,945
here was to make a mention of,

1581
00:58:59,804 --> 00:59:02,364
the Daredevil season three episodes that I've been

1582
00:59:02,364 --> 00:59:04,204
doing, which are supposed to be only ten

1583
00:59:04,204 --> 00:59:05,025
minutes long.

1584
00:59:05,565 --> 00:59:07,164
And then I would have referred the ten

1585
00:59:07,164 --> 00:59:08,144
minutes as fashionable.

1586
00:59:08,699 --> 00:59:10,239
Thirty five is just not cool,

1587
00:59:10,859 --> 00:59:12,880
but I chose not to do that.

1588
00:59:13,820 --> 00:59:15,900
Hey. Let's talk about what Vincent D'Onofrio was

1589
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:18,780
talking about at the, Happy Sad Confused podcast.

1590
00:59:18,780 --> 00:59:19,519
Is that right?

1591
00:59:19,820 --> 00:59:21,760
Yeah. Happy Sad Confused,

1592
00:59:22,375 --> 00:59:24,535
it's a really great podcast about,

1593
00:59:25,095 --> 00:59:27,114
actors and behind the scenes and,

1594
00:59:28,215 --> 00:59:29,035
and and,

1595
00:59:29,494 --> 00:59:32,135
behind the scenes of, movies and television and

1596
00:59:32,135 --> 00:59:34,934
so forth. I think he's also interviewed some

1597
00:59:34,934 --> 00:59:37,519
people who were doing theater in New York.

1598
00:59:37,660 --> 00:59:38,559
I'm not sure.

1599
00:59:42,219 --> 00:59:44,539
Certainly people in who have acted on stage

1600
00:59:44,539 --> 00:59:45,280
in the past.

1601
00:59:46,460 --> 00:59:46,960
Anyways,

1602
00:59:48,940 --> 00:59:50,160
so Vincent

1603
00:59:52,184 --> 00:59:54,105
did this interview with him. I think he

1604
00:59:54,105 --> 00:59:56,025
call he well, I know he called in

1605
00:59:56,025 --> 00:59:59,305
from actually the set of Born Again season

1606
00:59:59,305 --> 01:00:01,965
two. So he may have been in partial

1607
01:00:02,344 --> 01:00:03,325
Fisk costume,

1608
01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:07,380
And they even mentioned at the end of

1609
01:00:07,380 --> 01:00:08,739
the episode, well, I gotta get back to

1610
01:00:08,739 --> 01:00:09,239
work.

1611
01:00:11,059 --> 01:00:13,219
So he was like and he's he was

1612
01:00:13,219 --> 01:00:14,760
literally there on set

1613
01:00:15,139 --> 01:00:17,239
getting ready to continue filming,

1614
01:00:17,859 --> 01:00:19,239
and I thought that was exciting.

1615
01:00:20,744 --> 01:00:22,924
Also, the timing of when

1616
01:00:23,944 --> 01:00:24,505
they end

1617
01:00:25,224 --> 01:00:26,764
they recorded this episode

1618
01:00:27,224 --> 01:00:28,684
is interesting too

1619
01:00:29,384 --> 01:00:30,924
because it was that day

1620
01:00:31,704 --> 01:00:32,204
that

1621
01:00:32,505 --> 01:00:35,065
Marvel made the announcement of the cast for

1622
01:00:35,065 --> 01:00:35,565
doomsday.

1623
01:00:38,429 --> 01:00:38,750
And,

1624
01:00:39,230 --> 01:00:41,570
the host, I think his name's Josh.

1625
01:00:42,590 --> 01:00:44,510
I forget. I can't remember his name right

1626
01:00:44,510 --> 01:00:44,909
now.

1627
01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:47,070
I should have written it down. I am

1628
01:00:47,070 --> 01:00:47,809
so sorry.

1629
01:00:48,429 --> 01:00:49,409
But he

1630
01:00:50,184 --> 01:00:51,384
he says that,

1631
01:00:51,784 --> 01:00:53,464
he has, like, one eye on the screen.

1632
01:00:53,464 --> 01:00:55,164
He's watching all the name changes,

1633
01:00:55,944 --> 01:00:56,444
and,

1634
01:00:57,784 --> 01:00:58,284
Vincent,

1635
01:00:59,065 --> 01:01:01,085
says something about, oh,

1636
01:01:01,385 --> 01:01:03,464
I might be in there and or or

1637
01:01:03,464 --> 01:01:04,444
was it Josh?

1638
01:01:04,889 --> 01:01:05,630
Maybe it's

1639
01:01:07,369 --> 01:01:07,869
Josh.

1640
01:01:09,929 --> 01:01:11,389
Anyways, they mentioned that

1641
01:01:12,010 --> 01:01:15,230
Fisk might, or, well, Vincent D'Onofrio

1642
01:01:15,609 --> 01:01:17,769
may come up in this announcement, and Vincent

1643
01:01:17,769 --> 01:01:20,355
says, well, if it does, that'd be news

1644
01:01:20,355 --> 01:01:20,934
to me.

1645
01:01:22,114 --> 01:01:24,914
Because it's well known that Feige keeps a

1646
01:01:24,914 --> 01:01:25,974
lot of information,

1647
01:01:26,994 --> 01:01:28,835
plays a lot of information to the chest,

1648
01:01:28,835 --> 01:01:31,094
and he has made announcements for,

1649
01:01:32,219 --> 01:01:32,719
Daredevil,

1650
01:01:33,579 --> 01:01:34,079
and,

1651
01:01:35,659 --> 01:01:36,719
Charlie and

1652
01:01:37,260 --> 01:01:37,760
Vincent,

1653
01:01:38,619 --> 01:01:41,420
this was specifically for the Daredevil season two

1654
01:01:41,420 --> 01:01:43,519
announcement, not the Born Again season,

1655
01:01:44,059 --> 01:01:45,760
the original run on Netflix.

1656
01:01:46,059 --> 01:01:46,559
Okay.

1657
01:01:49,534 --> 01:01:50,034
And,

1658
01:01:50,734 --> 01:01:52,815
they were all on a panel, and Feige

1659
01:01:52,815 --> 01:01:54,574
announces that there's gonna be a season two.

1660
01:01:54,574 --> 01:01:56,494
And Charlie and Vincent looked at each other

1661
01:01:56,494 --> 01:01:56,994
like,

1662
01:01:58,175 --> 01:01:59,934
what? We did that now. Did you know?

1663
01:01:59,934 --> 01:02:01,315
No. No. I didn't know.

1664
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:05,820
So he was saying that he would not

1665
01:02:05,820 --> 01:02:08,139
be surprised if later that there would be

1666
01:02:08,139 --> 01:02:10,239
an announcement. On the other hand,

1667
01:02:11,659 --> 01:02:15,739
D'Onofrio is with his contract with Marvel, it's

1668
01:02:15,739 --> 01:02:17,760
only it's limited to only

1669
01:02:18,695 --> 01:02:20,635
the the series and not the movies.

1670
01:02:21,335 --> 01:02:23,175
So there's a good chance that he can't

1671
01:02:23,175 --> 01:02:24,474
be in those movies, but

1672
01:02:25,574 --> 01:02:26,554
you never know.

1673
01:02:27,574 --> 01:02:28,954
It'd be cool. But

1674
01:02:30,454 --> 01:02:32,809
the thing is I've recently saw some things

1675
01:02:32,809 --> 01:02:35,289
where they've talked about that, for some reason,

1676
01:02:35,289 --> 01:02:37,469
Kingpin himself can't appear in movies.

1677
01:02:38,650 --> 01:02:40,329
And so I don't know why that is.

1678
01:02:40,329 --> 01:02:41,150
I don't understand

1679
01:02:41,610 --> 01:02:42,110
that.

1680
01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:43,230
I mean, Daredevil

1681
01:02:44,015 --> 01:02:45,074
appeared in a movie.

1682
01:02:46,494 --> 01:02:49,775
Yeah. But Kingpin cannot, which is odd. Well,

1683
01:02:49,775 --> 01:02:53,474
Kingpin, technically speaking, is a Spider Man

1684
01:02:53,855 --> 01:02:54,355
villain.

1685
01:02:55,375 --> 01:02:55,875
Oh,

1686
01:02:56,494 --> 01:02:56,994
okay.

1687
01:02:57,309 --> 01:02:59,710
And so I think it's like, you know,

1688
01:02:59,710 --> 01:03:00,210
Sony,

1689
01:03:01,069 --> 01:03:03,389
they have license to all the Spider Man

1690
01:03:03,389 --> 01:03:03,889
characters.

1691
01:03:04,269 --> 01:03:06,690
And so any Spider Man character that

1692
01:03:07,069 --> 01:03:08,609
the MCU wants to use,

1693
01:03:09,069 --> 01:03:12,284
they have to work with Sony. Now Sony,

1694
01:03:12,344 --> 01:03:13,405
they make a movie

1695
01:03:13,945 --> 01:03:16,045
like Spider Man Far From Home or whatever.

1696
01:03:16,264 --> 01:03:18,045
They can use the Spider Man villains.

1697
01:03:18,905 --> 01:03:20,125
But for the MCU

1698
01:03:21,065 --> 01:03:22,204
made by Disney,

1699
01:03:23,465 --> 01:03:26,425
they have to, like, get permission from from

1700
01:03:26,425 --> 01:03:28,019
Sony to use those characters.

1701
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:30,960
Okay. So I think that that's what it

1702
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,500
comes down to. However,

1703
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:36,099
that license that Sony has

1704
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,579
for that Spider Man IP

1705
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:40,340
is only for movies.

1706
01:03:41,264 --> 01:03:42,005
And so

1707
01:03:43,025 --> 01:03:45,684
Disney could do the Spider Man cartoon shows.

1708
01:03:45,824 --> 01:03:47,824
And Spidey and his amazing friends and and

1709
01:03:47,824 --> 01:03:49,264
the different shows that they've been doing for

1710
01:03:49,264 --> 01:03:51,344
the last few years, Disney is able to

1711
01:03:51,344 --> 01:03:52,164
do TV

1712
01:03:52,625 --> 01:03:53,844
as much as they want.

1713
01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:55,880
And so that's why

1714
01:03:56,900 --> 01:03:59,960
Kingpin can appear in Into the Spider Verse,

1715
01:04:02,179 --> 01:04:03,559
but not in

1716
01:04:04,739 --> 01:04:08,795
maybe Doomsday, let's say. Yeah. So But,

1717
01:04:09,574 --> 01:04:11,974
yeah, there would be some I forgot. Yeah.

1718
01:04:11,974 --> 01:04:14,215
He would be technically a Sony character, would

1719
01:04:14,215 --> 01:04:17,014
he? So And so if if he has

1720
01:04:17,014 --> 01:04:19,094
a contract with Disney, the contract with Disney

1721
01:04:19,094 --> 01:04:20,715
would not be for any of the movies.

1722
01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:24,840
Now if we could see an MCU Spider

1723
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:25,900
Man movie with

1724
01:04:26,359 --> 01:04:29,019
Kingpin in it, but Sony would have to

1725
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:30,539
do their own contract

1726
01:04:31,159 --> 01:04:32,300
with Vincent D'Onofrio

1727
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:34,734
Yeah. To bring him in for movies. So

1728
01:04:34,974 --> 01:04:37,135
And but Spider Man four is on the

1729
01:04:37,135 --> 01:04:37,635
board.

1730
01:04:38,255 --> 01:04:39,635
It is. It's true.

1731
01:04:40,014 --> 01:04:41,394
Yeah. It's true.

1732
01:04:42,255 --> 01:04:43,315
Spider Man four,

1733
01:04:43,775 --> 01:04:45,635
what what's the title of that one again?

1734
01:04:47,289 --> 01:04:48,589
Brand New Day, I think?

1735
01:04:48,969 --> 01:04:51,710
Yeah. Yeah. Which Brand New Day

1736
01:04:52,730 --> 01:04:54,009
well, I don't wanna get into it right

1737
01:04:54,009 --> 01:04:55,549
now. Let me double check on this.

1738
01:04:56,489 --> 01:04:58,509
Brand New Day is a comic book title

1739
01:04:58,809 --> 01:05:00,190
that Spider Man had,

1740
01:05:01,049 --> 01:05:02,269
for a a storyline.

1741
01:05:02,994 --> 01:05:04,994
Yeah. Brand new day. It's gonna be released

1742
01:05:04,994 --> 01:05:06,295
in 2026.

1743
01:05:06,994 --> 01:05:08,835
So they'll definitely be playing up on the

1744
01:05:08,835 --> 01:05:11,974
whole nobody remembers he Spider Man thing. Yeah.

1745
01:05:12,675 --> 01:05:15,574
So, I mean, we could see Vincent D'Onofrio's

1746
01:05:15,795 --> 01:05:17,734
face on a billboard or something.

1747
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,940
In that, we could. Yeah. Maybe. Honestly

1748
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,239
I mean but but Sony would have to

1749
01:05:25,239 --> 01:05:27,400
license his likeness. I mean, Sony has to

1750
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:28,700
take care of those contracts

1751
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:30,780
for the film stuff.

1752
01:05:35,355 --> 01:05:35,855
Alright.

1753
01:05:36,235 --> 01:05:38,315
Well, that's the end of this episode. Listen

1754
01:05:38,315 --> 01:05:40,074
up, everyone. Thank you so much for spending

1755
01:05:40,074 --> 01:05:41,195
time with us. You've made it to the

1756
01:05:41,195 --> 01:05:43,275
end of another episode, and we will talk

1757
01:05:43,275 --> 01:05:44,414
about Daredevil

1758
01:05:44,795 --> 01:05:45,614
Born Again

1759
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,420
season one, episode

1760
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:48,940
nine, next episode,

1761
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:50,219
probably.

1762
01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:53,820
Although for Patreon patrons, it won't be because,

1763
01:05:54,199 --> 01:05:57,340
I'm releasing those those short episodes there. So

1764
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:58,380
but,

1765
01:05:59,255 --> 01:06:00,555
again, thank you for listening.

1766
01:06:01,175 --> 01:06:03,195
Have a great day and a pleasant tomorrow,

1767
01:06:03,335 --> 01:06:04,074
and Godspeed.