1 00:00:03,152 --> 00:00:05,088 Welcome to the Vet podcast 2 00:00:05,545 --> 00:00:07,860 by the Vet guru Brandon and Mark. 3 00:00:08,511 --> 00:00:10,577 Get ready for the latest veterinary news, 4 00:00:11,372 --> 00:00:14,074 information, and entertainment. Don't forget to visit us 5 00:00:14,074 --> 00:00:16,777 at the vet guru website vet dot com. 6 00:00:17,348 --> 00:00:18,382 Now, sit back. 7 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:21,007 Relax. It's over to the Vector guru, 8 00:00:21,485 --> 00:00:22,678 Brendan and Mark. 9 00:00:24,284 --> 00:00:26,754 Welcome back to the Va Brendan here with 10 00:00:26,913 --> 00:00:30,180 Mark, episode 3573 11 00:00:30,180 --> 00:00:33,548 hundred and 57, Thursday, July the 20 fifth 12 00:00:34,019 --> 00:00:35,535 2024. 13 00:00:35,694 --> 00:00:39,066 Are you there, Brendan. I am here. 14 00:00:40,162 --> 00:00:41,015 It is 15 00:00:41,451 --> 00:00:43,596 excellent to hear you and have a bit 16 00:00:43,596 --> 00:00:45,502 of a chat to here before our recording 17 00:00:45,502 --> 00:00:47,567 hem Mark, the last couple of weeks we'll 18 00:00:47,567 --> 00:00:49,289 actually a little bit longer from the last 19 00:00:49,409 --> 00:00:50,838 than in the long last couple of weeks 20 00:00:50,838 --> 00:00:51,576 you've been 21 00:00:52,029 --> 00:00:54,434 away on an absolutely epic 22 00:00:55,204 --> 00:00:56,633 trip, so we put in a couple of 23 00:00:56,633 --> 00:00:58,245 keeper episodes, but we're back 24 00:00:58,795 --> 00:01:01,115 semi sort of flow. No. Really live. 25 00:01:01,914 --> 00:01:04,075 Really live, but recording a monthly entails say 26 00:01:04,075 --> 00:01:06,488 before this episode goes out and just a 27 00:01:06,488 --> 00:01:08,401 quick shout out. 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There's all sorts of stuff. Yes. So 54 00:02:08,248 --> 00:02:09,042 go there. Buy it. 55 00:02:09,772 --> 00:02:11,041 And get back to us, tell us what 56 00:02:11,041 --> 00:02:12,706 you think of it. And with that Mark, 57 00:02:14,451 --> 00:02:16,195 I think we should dump pent news before 58 00:02:16,195 --> 00:02:17,439 we talk about your 59 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:18,540 amazing 60 00:02:19,159 --> 00:02:21,159 trip that I'm very jealous smooth. 61 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:22,300 And 62 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,172 we have 2 great news stories at quite 63 00:02:25,172 --> 00:02:26,998 fun little ones these. Man, I don't know 64 00:02:26,998 --> 00:02:28,450 where you've had a chance to have a 65 00:02:28,903 --> 00:02:31,444 bit of a flick through the... I'll take 66 00:02:31,444 --> 00:02:33,032 the first 1 now so you can have 67 00:02:33,032 --> 00:02:34,956 a chance to read them if you haven't 68 00:02:34,956 --> 00:02:37,587 already. And it's about womb that burrows Marker, 69 00:02:37,746 --> 00:02:38,464 a researcher, 70 00:02:38,942 --> 00:02:41,334 and I like this 1 because you'd you've 71 00:02:41,334 --> 00:02:42,504 set up a few of the 72 00:02:43,342 --> 00:02:46,934 these camera retract. This little trial cameras. Traps 73 00:02:46,934 --> 00:02:49,168 out in the bush, and this was after 74 00:02:49,168 --> 00:02:51,580 the fires in new saw South wales, near 75 00:02:51,740 --> 00:02:52,240 W, 76 00:02:52,540 --> 00:02:53,099 I think it was. 77 00:02:54,620 --> 00:02:57,260 Where a research scientist Grant Lend lee. 78 00:02:57,819 --> 00:02:58,639 He looked at 79 00:02:59,033 --> 00:03:01,340 through 746000 80 00:03:01,340 --> 00:03:02,397 odd images 81 00:03:03,408 --> 00:03:07,008 of womb bats burrows after fire had been 82 00:03:07,008 --> 00:03:09,645 through the bush there mark, and he was 83 00:03:09,645 --> 00:03:11,105 amazed that he'd seen 84 00:03:11,643 --> 00:03:12,602 48 85 00:03:12,602 --> 00:03:15,240 different species visiting the womb that burrows. 86 00:03:15,732 --> 00:03:17,503 They did had the 87 00:03:17,955 --> 00:03:19,940 camera traps set up there and there's some... 88 00:03:20,178 --> 00:03:22,084 Were linked to the article as usual, at 89 00:03:22,084 --> 00:03:23,830 mac dot com, and 90 00:03:24,798 --> 00:03:27,343 Yeah. Pretty amazing. And that they make a 91 00:03:27,343 --> 00:03:29,728 comment that it's like a 07:11. They're open 92 00:03:29,728 --> 00:03:32,193 all year round. I'm not just from 7 93 00:03:32,193 --> 00:03:33,783 to 11. These 1 map burrows. 94 00:03:34,592 --> 00:03:35,092 And 95 00:03:35,546 --> 00:03:36,046 it's 96 00:03:36,737 --> 00:03:36,975 good. 97 00:03:37,610 --> 00:03:38,881 There 1 thought that... 98 00:03:39,437 --> 00:03:42,296 And, I think it discounted at Mark that 99 00:03:43,488 --> 00:03:46,064 that the womb that's actually let 100 00:03:47,308 --> 00:03:48,600 some of these other animals 101 00:03:48,972 --> 00:03:49,844 into their burrows. 102 00:03:51,604 --> 00:03:54,478 And the rumors that they were purposely helping 103 00:03:54,478 --> 00:03:55,196 other species. 104 00:03:56,154 --> 00:03:59,028 But I think his comment that was they're 105 00:03:59,028 --> 00:04:00,646 more like accent or heroes 106 00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:02,156 after the fire that 107 00:04:03,193 --> 00:04:05,506 fires that devastated that area out that a 108 00:04:05,506 --> 00:04:06,166 lot of 109 00:04:06,543 --> 00:04:09,594 animals needed some sort shelter and protection from 110 00:04:09,594 --> 00:04:11,835 predators, so they use the womb that burrows 111 00:04:11,835 --> 00:04:13,754 as a resident And it's sort of no 112 00:04:13,754 --> 00:04:15,115 big surprise is it 113 00:04:15,435 --> 00:04:16,574 by our literally 114 00:04:17,209 --> 00:04:20,560 all doses of animals rearranging large amounts of 115 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:20,879 earth. 116 00:04:22,235 --> 00:04:24,070 They're bloody holes suddenly. 117 00:04:24,721 --> 00:04:25,459 On the 118 00:04:26,072 --> 00:04:27,741 when you see the entrance to them, you're 119 00:04:27,741 --> 00:04:29,886 saying, What the hell did that? Remember once 120 00:04:29,886 --> 00:04:32,207 you've seen 1 he realized that? That their 121 00:04:32,207 --> 00:04:33,664 openings. They're not shut 122 00:04:34,041 --> 00:04:35,019 the openings of 123 00:04:35,635 --> 00:04:36,135 they 124 00:04:36,512 --> 00:04:38,903 increase like the service area a number of 125 00:04:38,903 --> 00:04:39,881 hides and 126 00:04:40,592 --> 00:04:42,666 and somebody is no surprise that 127 00:04:43,384 --> 00:04:45,320 that they create places for 128 00:04:45,697 --> 00:04:46,096 for, 129 00:04:46,814 --> 00:04:49,366 particularly for a refuge, but also because the 130 00:04:49,366 --> 00:04:49,899 entrances is 131 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:52,899 develop little puddle and so birds you didn't 132 00:04:52,899 --> 00:04:54,360 need to grab a drink and 133 00:04:54,899 --> 00:04:56,019 and eat the soil, 134 00:04:57,379 --> 00:04:59,313 they that was 1 of the interesting the 135 00:04:59,313 --> 00:05:02,110 things I thought about this article that many 136 00:05:02,110 --> 00:05:04,667 animals were munch on the soil, a bit 137 00:05:04,667 --> 00:05:05,406 of geo. 138 00:05:07,314 --> 00:05:07,711 And 139 00:05:08,346 --> 00:05:08,846 and 140 00:05:09,220 --> 00:05:10,673 access to that soil 141 00:05:12,556 --> 00:05:14,304 was 1 of the benefits of having the 142 00:05:14,304 --> 00:05:15,734 womb s the burrows. 143 00:05:17,581 --> 00:05:17,900 Yes. 144 00:05:19,496 --> 00:05:21,651 I laughed out loud when the the researcher 145 00:05:21,651 --> 00:05:23,805 was talking about looking at the images when 146 00:05:23,805 --> 00:05:25,811 he pulled out the first memory card for 147 00:05:25,811 --> 00:05:28,280 the cameras, and he suddenly realized that. I 148 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:29,634 me tallied then up, and he thought, oh, 149 00:05:29,953 --> 00:05:31,568 I've got over 700000 150 00:05:31,785 --> 00:05:32,954 images and I have to 151 00:05:34,191 --> 00:05:35,866 sort my way through. It's a bit like 152 00:05:35,866 --> 00:05:37,941 you with your photography mark. When you put 153 00:05:37,941 --> 00:05:39,855 your put your camera on high, 154 00:05:40,429 --> 00:05:40,748 High, 155 00:05:41,705 --> 00:05:43,380 rate and you get in, you know, 20 156 00:05:43,380 --> 00:05:44,656 or 50 frames a second. 157 00:05:45,294 --> 00:05:46,809 It's nice to have that on your camera, 158 00:05:46,969 --> 00:05:47,469 but 159 00:05:48,245 --> 00:05:50,134 for me, it's too tempting to put my 160 00:05:50,495 --> 00:05:52,735 my a little olympus on a really high 161 00:05:52,735 --> 00:05:54,654 frame rate mark because I know it just 162 00:05:54,654 --> 00:05:55,935 means it's a hell of a lot more 163 00:05:55,935 --> 00:05:57,295 images I have to go through. So I 164 00:05:57,295 --> 00:05:58,975 try and save it for special occasions when 165 00:05:58,975 --> 00:06:00,927 we really fast moving. And. 166 00:06:01,624 --> 00:06:03,140 But done that. So... But this is 1 167 00:06:03,140 --> 00:06:04,997 of the things about a lot of wildlife 168 00:06:05,375 --> 00:06:07,311 research these days between 169 00:06:08,417 --> 00:06:10,265 the very very good 170 00:06:10,795 --> 00:06:13,649 trail camera so you can take vast numbers 171 00:06:13,649 --> 00:06:14,149 of 172 00:06:14,521 --> 00:06:14,759 images. 173 00:06:15,728 --> 00:06:17,024 And sound recordings 174 00:06:17,401 --> 00:06:20,349 that that the big job tends to be 175 00:06:20,349 --> 00:06:22,124 sitting down and going through them 176 00:06:22,660 --> 00:06:25,185 to find things out. So I I'm 177 00:06:26,099 --> 00:06:28,007 Pat Grant Nun leaves, 178 00:06:31,267 --> 00:06:33,310 pat him on the back because any research 179 00:06:33,429 --> 00:06:35,441 that goes through quarter of a million photographs. 180 00:06:37,169 --> 00:06:38,919 I suspect what they have shown is a 181 00:06:38,919 --> 00:06:39,715 bit of an Ai, 182 00:06:41,004 --> 00:06:43,712 bot that can run through the images mark 183 00:06:43,712 --> 00:06:44,212 and 184 00:06:45,863 --> 00:06:48,355 farm them off to per suspect spec particular 185 00:06:48,413 --> 00:06:50,086 space. Right. Like they do with some of 186 00:06:50,086 --> 00:06:52,093 the you know, that the fecal, 187 00:06:52,810 --> 00:06:54,403 you know. So we just have that little 188 00:06:54,403 --> 00:06:56,895 fecal Ai system that can 189 00:06:57,431 --> 00:06:57,805 differentiate 190 00:06:58,876 --> 00:07:02,132 dog and cat fecal parasites, and it's pretty 191 00:07:02,132 --> 00:07:02,767 damn accurate. 192 00:07:03,244 --> 00:07:05,308 So so there we go, Mark, and that 193 00:07:05,308 --> 00:07:07,189 there's a little addendum to it at which 194 00:07:07,389 --> 00:07:08,348 chats about the 195 00:07:08,988 --> 00:07:10,746 the fact that womb bats even though they're, 196 00:07:11,385 --> 00:07:14,022 that the common womb bat is not considered 197 00:07:14,022 --> 00:07:16,833 threatened. It's range is certainly being reduced in 198 00:07:16,912 --> 00:07:17,150 Mark. 199 00:07:18,419 --> 00:07:18,895 And 200 00:07:19,927 --> 00:07:20,085 yeah. 201 00:07:21,037 --> 00:07:23,709 You also have piping for the all that, 202 00:07:24,068 --> 00:07:24,785 700000 203 00:07:24,944 --> 00:07:26,776 He images just the last paragraph there. I 204 00:07:26,776 --> 00:07:28,289 think that you've just seen it too. He 205 00:07:28,289 --> 00:07:30,599 was he was hoping that he'd see a 206 00:07:30,599 --> 00:07:31,315 spotted q, 207 00:07:33,004 --> 00:07:34,865 And he didn't find 1 in this 208 00:07:35,245 --> 00:07:36,845 700000 209 00:07:36,845 --> 00:07:38,685 here. It is. So... Oh, well, next time. 210 00:07:38,925 --> 00:07:39,324 It's nice. 211 00:07:40,298 --> 00:07:41,515 The way that article 212 00:07:41,892 --> 00:07:43,885 finishes were, you know, he'd love to see 213 00:07:43,885 --> 00:07:46,835 a a spotted quo, but he didn't. And 214 00:07:46,835 --> 00:07:47,393 that's the end. 215 00:07:49,159 --> 00:07:51,615 Yes. Now, what have you got that? Minds 216 00:07:51,615 --> 00:07:52,883 a very interesting 1 about. 217 00:07:53,833 --> 00:07:55,284 Well, I suppose it's about, 218 00:07:57,189 --> 00:07:57,689 some 219 00:07:58,870 --> 00:07:59,610 unknown factors 220 00:07:59,990 --> 00:08:02,410 about sol. So su are 221 00:08:03,270 --> 00:08:04,170 are arrays 222 00:08:04,563 --> 00:08:06,414 that have a 223 00:08:06,868 --> 00:08:07,606 signature long 224 00:08:08,060 --> 00:08:09,116 tooth lined 225 00:08:09,490 --> 00:08:09,728 sn. 226 00:08:10,761 --> 00:08:11,261 And 227 00:08:12,129 --> 00:08:14,769 Cheese, it's only just been recently that scientists 228 00:08:14,769 --> 00:08:17,669 have sort of gotten a much greater handle 229 00:08:17,729 --> 00:08:19,509 on the specialized sheath 230 00:08:20,209 --> 00:08:21,189 that prevents, 231 00:08:21,823 --> 00:08:25,017 you know, the... Because these are live born. 232 00:08:25,895 --> 00:08:27,811 And so there's... It's always been a bit 233 00:08:27,811 --> 00:08:29,907 of a, like, how do these 234 00:08:30,859 --> 00:08:33,411 rays not slice up the units of their 235 00:08:33,411 --> 00:08:36,761 mother and stimulants come out like adrian put 236 00:08:36,761 --> 00:08:39,553 through the tooth. Yes. But scientists have gotten 237 00:08:39,553 --> 00:08:40,644 a fair bit of just 238 00:08:41,963 --> 00:08:42,783 close up 239 00:08:43,321 --> 00:08:46,618 detail of the the sheath that lays over 240 00:08:47,236 --> 00:08:48,615 the the the 241 00:08:50,129 --> 00:08:53,250 the nose, the the the tooth like projection 242 00:08:53,250 --> 00:08:54,290 that sits out the front. 243 00:08:55,490 --> 00:08:58,543 And, u, initially, they thought, it was gonna 244 00:08:58,543 --> 00:08:59,821 be something like, you know a bit of 245 00:08:59,821 --> 00:09:00,540 a mucus, 246 00:09:02,138 --> 00:09:03,437 maybe mem, 247 00:09:03,976 --> 00:09:04,476 gelatin 248 00:09:05,909 --> 00:09:06,308 covering, 249 00:09:07,027 --> 00:09:09,264 but the sheath actually has been revealed. There's 250 00:09:09,264 --> 00:09:12,540 a tough multi layered skin like structure. 251 00:09:13,670 --> 00:09:16,294 Eventually shared about 4 days after birth, 252 00:09:17,168 --> 00:09:19,337 button, but it is a much stout 253 00:09:19,791 --> 00:09:20,291 and 254 00:09:20,984 --> 00:09:22,120 significant structure 255 00:09:22,907 --> 00:09:26,408 that then research and this researchers initially thought 256 00:09:26,408 --> 00:09:27,283 it might be. 257 00:09:27,999 --> 00:09:30,386 They took them a long time, 18 years, 258 00:09:31,914 --> 00:09:32,414 of 259 00:09:33,113 --> 00:09:35,989 of monthly research trips just to collect a 260 00:09:35,989 --> 00:09:39,446 handful of sheath tissue samples, which were 261 00:09:40,636 --> 00:09:41,772 examined his, 262 00:09:43,020 --> 00:09:46,302 and additionally with, scanning electron microscopes 263 00:09:46,994 --> 00:09:48,607 and even micro Ct, 264 00:09:50,109 --> 00:09:52,412 and they sort of decided that the sheath 265 00:09:52,412 --> 00:09:54,501 had 2 tissue layers that 266 00:09:55,034 --> 00:09:55,534 resembled 267 00:09:55,908 --> 00:09:57,679 an epidermis and dermis 268 00:09:58,308 --> 00:10:00,562 and contain proteins that on 269 00:10:01,018 --> 00:10:04,207 an initial examination was suggestive of things like 270 00:10:04,207 --> 00:10:06,121 ke re reticulum and collagen. 271 00:10:07,334 --> 00:10:09,411 Which I don't think is being surprised if 272 00:10:09,411 --> 00:10:11,888 you're going to create such a structure, 273 00:10:12,687 --> 00:10:14,626 repeating the sort of protective 274 00:10:15,337 --> 00:10:16,529 layer that skin is, 275 00:10:17,323 --> 00:10:18,299 and temporarily 276 00:10:18,673 --> 00:10:20,658 might not be such a bad thing. 277 00:10:21,531 --> 00:10:24,096 They are critically endangered all the 7 species 278 00:10:24,643 --> 00:10:27,031 of saw fish around the world. There's 4. 279 00:10:27,269 --> 00:10:28,384 I'm in Australia, Brendan. 280 00:10:29,418 --> 00:10:29,918 But 281 00:10:30,452 --> 00:10:31,940 but all of them are 282 00:10:32,777 --> 00:10:35,568 really struggling and so anything that we can 283 00:10:35,568 --> 00:10:36,366 learn about them, 284 00:10:37,562 --> 00:10:40,375 certainly puts us in a better position to 285 00:10:40,832 --> 00:10:41,332 consider 286 00:10:42,043 --> 00:10:44,217 putting things in place to to, 287 00:10:44,993 --> 00:10:47,384 bring them back from the brink. They have 288 00:10:47,384 --> 00:10:49,138 been making a little bit of recovery over 289 00:10:49,138 --> 00:10:51,545 the last years, but they have been, 290 00:10:52,342 --> 00:10:54,495 particularly of this small tooth saw fish, 291 00:10:55,372 --> 00:10:58,561 recent diets in the Florida lower keys. 292 00:10:59,772 --> 00:11:00,809 And, yeah, 293 00:11:01,447 --> 00:11:03,042 trying to figure out why at the moment. 294 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,972 There's not a lot of information about this 295 00:11:07,030 --> 00:11:07,748 mortality event. 296 00:11:09,437 --> 00:11:12,719 They're amazing looking barrels out here. There 297 00:11:13,253 --> 00:11:13,832 for the 298 00:11:14,206 --> 00:11:16,432 they are a little bit when you flip 299 00:11:16,432 --> 00:11:18,684 look look from the underside and that sort 300 00:11:18,684 --> 00:11:19,165 of face. 301 00:11:19,804 --> 00:11:22,285 It is a must way just sort of 302 00:11:22,285 --> 00:11:23,264 describe it with 303 00:11:23,725 --> 00:11:25,404 freaky. Yeah. Very freaky. 304 00:11:27,495 --> 00:11:29,724 Excellent. And we're... As I mentioned at the 305 00:11:29,724 --> 00:11:31,634 start of the episode. We'll link to that 306 00:11:31,634 --> 00:11:32,612 at our latest 307 00:11:33,226 --> 00:11:36,171 a latest episode at vet guru dot com. 308 00:11:36,584 --> 00:11:38,662 Now let's jump into our main topic this 309 00:11:38,662 --> 00:11:39,641 week weeks is 310 00:11:40,180 --> 00:11:43,057 of a bit of wander down around the 311 00:11:43,057 --> 00:11:44,415 world mark and your search. 312 00:11:45,226 --> 00:11:47,373 On your holiday for Santa. But you've been... 313 00:11:47,532 --> 00:11:49,679 You've been up way north. How you. Way 314 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,985 away away as far north as you can 315 00:11:51,985 --> 00:11:52,382 go. 316 00:11:53,195 --> 00:11:55,195 Yeah. We got up above 317 00:11:55,595 --> 00:11:56,955 80 degrees north, 318 00:11:57,915 --> 00:11:58,735 the last 319 00:11:59,115 --> 00:11:59,774 bit of 320 00:12:00,235 --> 00:12:00,634 land, 321 00:12:01,274 --> 00:12:02,014 north of 322 00:12:02,728 --> 00:12:04,903 the the northern part of Sv. 323 00:12:06,158 --> 00:12:08,312 Sv being a Arc archipelago. 324 00:12:09,189 --> 00:12:11,125 I think it's about 500 325 00:12:11,183 --> 00:12:12,355 kilometers north of 326 00:12:13,355 --> 00:12:14,735 of this of Scandinavia. 327 00:12:15,115 --> 00:12:15,595 It's 328 00:12:16,394 --> 00:12:18,014 it's actually not 329 00:12:19,355 --> 00:12:22,129 a particular territory of anyone 330 00:12:23,121 --> 00:12:23,939 country Norway 331 00:12:24,629 --> 00:12:25,129 has, 332 00:12:25,978 --> 00:12:26,637 sort of 333 00:12:27,644 --> 00:12:28,144 overarching 334 00:12:28,755 --> 00:12:30,543 administration, but they're Russian 335 00:12:31,719 --> 00:12:34,992 settlements in Sv and the northern most islands 336 00:12:34,992 --> 00:12:38,080 in the Archipelago and the 7 aisle just 337 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,080 tip over into about 80 or 81 degrees 338 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:41,240 north, 339 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,340 which takes you less than a thousand kilometers 340 00:12:45,399 --> 00:12:47,806 from the north pole So yeah, we've been 341 00:12:47,806 --> 00:12:48,760 up there, Brendan. 342 00:12:50,189 --> 00:12:52,914 He would close. So you're close, and 343 00:12:53,446 --> 00:12:56,409 you're just starting to release some of your 344 00:12:57,674 --> 00:13:00,143 amazing pictures mark of the wildlife, and 345 00:13:00,940 --> 00:13:02,931 Be that was a a big part of 346 00:13:02,931 --> 00:13:04,683 the reason why you headed up there to 347 00:13:04,683 --> 00:13:05,455 do a bit of 348 00:13:05,893 --> 00:13:08,605 almost like a safari or wildlife safari or 349 00:13:08,605 --> 00:13:10,599 or bit of burden up there and then 350 00:13:10,599 --> 00:13:13,151 looking at some amount is in arctic species 351 00:13:13,151 --> 00:13:15,247 they're mark. But this backdrop 352 00:13:15,638 --> 00:13:16,514 track a little bit 353 00:13:17,389 --> 00:13:17,889 too 354 00:13:19,935 --> 00:13:21,925 after You went on a cruise. Didn't you 355 00:13:21,925 --> 00:13:23,437 it was part of this? It was a 356 00:13:23,437 --> 00:13:25,542 and was was it a set cruise 357 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:29,085 run by a photography sort of company or 358 00:13:29,085 --> 00:13:29,982 was it a wildlife 359 00:13:31,067 --> 00:13:33,704 company that brand cruise. That we went on 360 00:13:33,704 --> 00:13:36,015 2 cruises brendan, and we went on 1 361 00:13:36,015 --> 00:13:36,834 with a company 362 00:13:37,608 --> 00:13:39,304 who both of them do 363 00:13:40,093 --> 00:13:41,865 sort of like, they call them 364 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,115 expedition cruises. 365 00:13:43,592 --> 00:13:47,274 So they're relatively small boats compared to many 366 00:13:47,410 --> 00:13:48,308 ocean cruises 367 00:13:48,777 --> 00:13:50,550 they only had about a hundred guests 368 00:13:50,925 --> 00:13:53,391 on the boat. They have about, the same 369 00:13:53,391 --> 00:13:54,266 number of crew. 370 00:13:55,714 --> 00:13:57,153 And and, yeah, they, 371 00:13:58,192 --> 00:14:00,130 relatively small, maneuver 372 00:14:01,229 --> 00:14:01,548 ships, 373 00:14:02,507 --> 00:14:04,505 and and they can go to quite a 374 00:14:04,505 --> 00:14:06,752 lot of places that maybe some of the 375 00:14:06,752 --> 00:14:09,855 biggest ships can't. They definitely a focus on 376 00:14:09,934 --> 00:14:12,344 Wildlife. They they look for 377 00:14:13,211 --> 00:14:15,754 wildlife events. And I've got an interesting thing 378 00:14:15,754 --> 00:14:18,218 to talk about with respect to the polar 379 00:14:18,218 --> 00:14:18,695 of bears. 380 00:14:20,458 --> 00:14:23,161 Button, but certainly, they they took us to, 381 00:14:23,956 --> 00:14:26,500 some very, very remote places on the planet. 382 00:14:26,659 --> 00:14:28,113 We got to see some 383 00:14:29,223 --> 00:14:31,162 some really special species 384 00:14:31,940 --> 00:14:33,319 and got to see them pretty, 385 00:14:33,698 --> 00:14:36,256 pretty up close. But I think those things 386 00:14:36,256 --> 00:14:39,216 are gonna be those experiences are gonna be 387 00:14:39,216 --> 00:14:41,915 harder and harder to have in the future 388 00:14:41,915 --> 00:14:43,106 for multiple reasons, 389 00:14:44,059 --> 00:14:44,695 not least. 390 00:14:45,727 --> 00:14:46,735 Jeez. It was 391 00:14:47,253 --> 00:14:50,047 the the... I know on this podcast, 392 00:14:50,924 --> 00:14:53,957 which is focused on veterinary matters. We regularly 393 00:14:53,957 --> 00:14:56,688 talk about environment. Matters, and we do talk 394 00:14:56,688 --> 00:14:57,806 about climate change. 395 00:14:58,605 --> 00:14:59,105 And 396 00:14:59,724 --> 00:15:01,343 and there was no doubt that, 397 00:15:02,921 --> 00:15:05,432 the effect sort of climate change 398 00:15:05,969 --> 00:15:06,789 already manifesting 399 00:15:07,406 --> 00:15:09,880 themselves in in the locations we were in. 400 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,869 So at the very northern part, of 401 00:15:13,488 --> 00:15:14,207 sv bard, 402 00:15:15,326 --> 00:15:17,483 the northern part of the main Island, 403 00:15:18,362 --> 00:15:18,862 Spits. 404 00:15:20,932 --> 00:15:22,998 The pac ice from the north pole would 405 00:15:22,998 --> 00:15:25,882 normally extend down to that point. And so 406 00:15:26,177 --> 00:15:28,799 the polar bears that live on the pac 407 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:32,582 ice would reach down to the, 12 up 408 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:33,119 peninsula. 409 00:15:33,916 --> 00:15:35,352 And that's where they would... 410 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:38,143 They probably would spend the winter and then 411 00:15:38,143 --> 00:15:39,441 hop back on the 412 00:15:39,833 --> 00:15:42,462 receding pack ice and head up north as 413 00:15:42,462 --> 00:15:44,135 the seals were reading in the summer. 414 00:15:45,489 --> 00:15:48,889 But that pack ice is she's just not 415 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,426 not making it. It's not getting down as 416 00:15:52,426 --> 00:15:52,926 far 417 00:15:53,379 --> 00:15:53,879 and 418 00:15:54,333 --> 00:15:55,866 a whole bunch of, 419 00:15:58,243 --> 00:16:00,652 changes occur as a consequence. The 420 00:16:01,107 --> 00:16:02,482 polar get stranded 421 00:16:02,858 --> 00:16:05,563 on sv but, they can't get off the 422 00:16:05,563 --> 00:16:06,996 island and onto the pac. 423 00:16:08,286 --> 00:16:10,836 And they can't... Their main priorities items are 424 00:16:10,836 --> 00:16:11,336 sales 425 00:16:11,713 --> 00:16:13,467 and and they can't get to them. 426 00:16:14,583 --> 00:16:15,083 So 427 00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:17,795 So what did they look like? Did this 428 00:16:17,795 --> 00:16:19,154 already? 8 Polar bears. 429 00:16:19,955 --> 00:16:23,154 There we saw 2 polar bears, 2 females 430 00:16:23,154 --> 00:16:24,455 who had cubs 431 00:16:25,166 --> 00:16:28,348 and it's pretty well accepted that if they 432 00:16:28,348 --> 00:16:30,894 end up being left behind with the cubs, 433 00:16:31,053 --> 00:16:33,121 those cubs are really gonna struggle to make 434 00:16:33,121 --> 00:16:33,201 it. 435 00:16:34,730 --> 00:16:36,964 They didn't look good. Interestingly enough, 436 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:40,633 we could... We spent a habit bit of 437 00:16:40,633 --> 00:16:41,133 time 438 00:16:41,510 --> 00:16:43,026 tracking 1 polar bear. 439 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,320 And you could see it coughing, Brendan. You 440 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,559 could get the get it in the camera 441 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:48,879 and 442 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,399 and see it doing those little puffs of 443 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:52,695 coughs 444 00:16:53,688 --> 00:16:54,984 that made me worry 445 00:16:55,597 --> 00:16:58,403 well, a little bit about whether influenza, 446 00:17:00,050 --> 00:17:01,879 Avian flu was spreading up 447 00:17:02,356 --> 00:17:04,065 in the part of the world, but 448 00:17:04,601 --> 00:17:07,786 they were thin and underweight, and and they 449 00:17:07,786 --> 00:17:10,175 did good. And I don't know whether that 450 00:17:10,175 --> 00:17:10,834 sort of 451 00:17:11,544 --> 00:17:14,581 to, that sort of expedition style to. 452 00:17:15,220 --> 00:17:16,999 I don't know how much 453 00:17:17,378 --> 00:17:19,615 longer they'll be able to do that stuff 454 00:17:19,615 --> 00:17:20,115 because 455 00:17:20,587 --> 00:17:22,411 you know, costco got a lot to do. 456 00:17:23,283 --> 00:17:24,338 And if they can't 457 00:17:25,345 --> 00:17:27,907 get you to see the the 458 00:17:29,249 --> 00:17:30,625 what people want us 459 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,524 if they're for if the basil look ill 460 00:17:34,899 --> 00:17:35,399 and 461 00:17:36,903 --> 00:17:39,371 struggling to make it. Yeah. I don't know. 462 00:17:39,530 --> 00:17:41,758 I don't know what the long the long 463 00:17:41,758 --> 00:17:44,145 term future is for that sort of business. 464 00:17:45,831 --> 00:17:46,546 So what's their... 465 00:17:47,340 --> 00:17:48,634 Do they have any plan 466 00:17:49,246 --> 00:17:51,152 if we stick to the polar for that 467 00:17:51,152 --> 00:17:53,138 space? There, Mark? What are the locals do 468 00:17:53,138 --> 00:17:53,589 they 469 00:17:54,268 --> 00:17:56,503 is it... No. We just leave them alone 470 00:17:56,503 --> 00:17:58,578 and we don't interfere at all. Or do 471 00:17:58,578 --> 00:17:59,557 we try and 472 00:18:00,095 --> 00:18:02,511 somehow help with their cheese 473 00:18:02,984 --> 00:18:05,400 their situation fascinating then because 474 00:18:07,853 --> 00:18:10,668 1 you know from your travels that 475 00:18:11,285 --> 00:18:14,637 the the 1 of the amazing thing about 476 00:18:14,637 --> 00:18:17,098 travel is the way that it exposes you 477 00:18:17,098 --> 00:18:17,598 to 478 00:18:18,369 --> 00:18:20,354 the way that different people around the world 479 00:18:20,354 --> 00:18:20,854 think 480 00:18:21,242 --> 00:18:21,742 and 481 00:18:22,273 --> 00:18:23,250 that whole 482 00:18:23,702 --> 00:18:27,534 area up towards the arctic in the Sv 483 00:18:28,541 --> 00:18:29,018 Archipelago, 484 00:18:29,670 --> 00:18:30,630 it's long been... 485 00:18:31,509 --> 00:18:33,990 What's the best way to describe it? A 486 00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:36,170 hunters paradise. There's w 487 00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:37,509 stations. There's 488 00:18:38,163 --> 00:18:41,266 a long history of of, hunting a whole 489 00:18:41,266 --> 00:18:42,561 range of species 490 00:18:43,493 --> 00:18:43,993 and 491 00:18:45,499 --> 00:18:47,017 and everyone carries a gun, 492 00:18:47,736 --> 00:18:49,915 it filled a little little bit like 493 00:18:50,294 --> 00:18:51,652 other parts of the world. 494 00:18:52,851 --> 00:18:55,676 And there were So the main town 495 00:18:56,049 --> 00:18:57,104 on Spits 496 00:18:57,635 --> 00:18:59,643 is a place called Long, 497 00:19:00,570 --> 00:19:01,259 and that's 498 00:19:02,012 --> 00:19:04,468 that town, 3 and half thousand people. 499 00:19:05,181 --> 00:19:06,791 It has a border, 500 00:19:08,923 --> 00:19:10,939 beyond which you're not allowed to, 501 00:19:11,874 --> 00:19:14,506 go without a gun or some form of, 502 00:19:14,586 --> 00:19:17,319 you know, flare gun or something like that 503 00:19:17,378 --> 00:19:20,204 because of the the polar of bears and 504 00:19:21,137 --> 00:19:23,924 about once every 8 years, someone gets killed 505 00:19:23,924 --> 00:19:26,074 by polar bear and about once every 3 506 00:19:26,074 --> 00:19:26,471 years, 507 00:19:27,362 --> 00:19:29,512 Paul Bear wander into the wrong place and 508 00:19:29,512 --> 00:19:29,989 ends up, 509 00:19:31,183 --> 00:19:33,434 ends up being killed itself. And I think 510 00:19:34,128 --> 00:19:34,628 as 511 00:19:35,098 --> 00:19:38,678 these bears get stranded and and don't head 512 00:19:38,678 --> 00:19:40,985 up on the pack ice where the the 513 00:19:40,985 --> 00:19:41,621 seals are. 514 00:19:42,592 --> 00:19:44,904 They will. They will be an increasing number 515 00:19:44,904 --> 00:19:45,144 of, 516 00:19:45,782 --> 00:19:46,021 of, 517 00:19:47,137 --> 00:19:47,637 human 518 00:19:48,014 --> 00:19:50,906 interaction and as is the case with many 519 00:19:51,298 --> 00:19:51,798 wildlife 520 00:19:52,415 --> 00:19:54,647 interactions in those sort of circumstances. I don't 521 00:19:54,647 --> 00:19:56,003 think it'll be good for the beds. 522 00:19:57,757 --> 00:19:59,512 Yeah. So the short answer to your question 523 00:19:59,512 --> 00:20:01,921 is there's not they they pretty much do 524 00:20:01,921 --> 00:20:02,421 just 525 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:04,476 leave them alone and leave them to their 526 00:20:04,476 --> 00:20:04,976 own, 527 00:20:05,913 --> 00:20:08,148 devices. And it's interesting that some of the 528 00:20:08,148 --> 00:20:11,353 bay beers have learnt to hunt where they 529 00:20:11,353 --> 00:20:12,968 they would normally be 530 00:20:13,345 --> 00:20:13,845 specialist 531 00:20:14,380 --> 00:20:15,358 sale hunters. 532 00:20:16,451 --> 00:20:17,668 They have started to 533 00:20:18,443 --> 00:20:18,921 Randy. 534 00:20:19,413 --> 00:20:20,367 The the, 535 00:20:20,844 --> 00:20:22,355 sal reindeer is 536 00:20:22,912 --> 00:20:24,343 has become a new food item. 537 00:20:24,979 --> 00:20:28,000 So they are adapting whether they can adapt 538 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:28,930 quickly enough 539 00:20:29,610 --> 00:20:31,309 I I I'll I'll 540 00:20:32,170 --> 00:20:34,730 don't know that I know enough to to 541 00:20:34,730 --> 00:20:35,930 predict they're gonna thrive, 542 00:20:36,330 --> 00:20:38,224 but it is interesting to see them start 543 00:20:38,344 --> 00:20:39,378 talk for pray. 544 00:20:42,798 --> 00:20:43,196 Yes. 545 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:47,752 Now I'm gonna jump over to. I'm just 546 00:20:47,752 --> 00:20:49,586 flicking through some of the photos you sent 547 00:20:49,586 --> 00:20:51,122 me and also you've posted 548 00:20:52,217 --> 00:20:53,036 to 1 of 549 00:20:53,493 --> 00:20:54,631 1 of everybody's 550 00:20:54,943 --> 00:20:58,907 favorite birds a par. Brandon the we sweet 551 00:20:58,907 --> 00:21:01,364 how could you might know this front. We 552 00:21:01,364 --> 00:21:03,789 we saw puff in sv, 553 00:21:04,569 --> 00:21:07,210 but they don't breed in large numbers there. 554 00:21:07,609 --> 00:21:09,549 Now but when we got down to iceland, 555 00:21:10,809 --> 00:21:13,460 Crack is on the the in the Western 556 00:21:13,460 --> 00:21:15,373 fields and across the north. 557 00:21:16,330 --> 00:21:16,729 There, 558 00:21:17,446 --> 00:21:19,998 there's some... There's some rook with a million 559 00:21:19,998 --> 00:21:20,636 birds in them. 560 00:21:21,605 --> 00:21:22,422 And so 561 00:21:23,112 --> 00:21:24,722 they are difficult 562 00:21:25,095 --> 00:21:25,595 to 563 00:21:25,967 --> 00:21:28,054 access. A lot of the tourism in 564 00:21:29,162 --> 00:21:31,794 in iceland is sort of focus around the 565 00:21:31,794 --> 00:21:35,007 coast. There is a ci navigating road 566 00:21:35,717 --> 00:21:38,206 and so many tourists will drive around 567 00:21:38,899 --> 00:21:42,081 the thousand odd kilometers around the outside device. 568 00:21:43,682 --> 00:21:46,059 But being on a boat, we could get 569 00:21:46,059 --> 00:21:47,589 to a couple of them more, 570 00:21:48,278 --> 00:21:49,729 difficult to access 571 00:21:50,355 --> 00:21:50,673 locations, 572 00:21:51,387 --> 00:21:54,008 and and, yeah, got to some islands and 573 00:21:54,008 --> 00:21:54,905 got to see 574 00:21:55,675 --> 00:21:57,684 some bloody amazing, amazing 575 00:21:58,152 --> 00:21:59,286 puff rook. 576 00:22:00,929 --> 00:22:03,071 And how are they doing? They're doing pretty 577 00:22:03,071 --> 00:22:03,309 well. 578 00:22:04,103 --> 00:22:04,920 They certainly 579 00:22:05,548 --> 00:22:08,421 which so another really interesting thing. And 1 580 00:22:08,421 --> 00:22:10,894 of the things about photography that I found 581 00:22:10,894 --> 00:22:12,352 fascinating was that 582 00:22:13,617 --> 00:22:15,759 that the, you know, when you've got numbers 583 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:16,894 of birds like, 584 00:22:18,218 --> 00:22:20,201 Rook with a million birds in at door. 585 00:22:21,248 --> 00:22:23,157 1 of the ones we went to, there 586 00:22:23,157 --> 00:22:26,100 was 20000 birds there and and I suppose, 587 00:22:28,265 --> 00:22:29,724 that number drops to, 588 00:22:30,025 --> 00:22:32,585 you know, 15000. It still looks like an 589 00:22:32,585 --> 00:22:33,625 awful lot of bit herd. 590 00:22:35,704 --> 00:22:37,637 But the interesting thing was that some of 591 00:22:37,637 --> 00:22:38,296 the photographs 592 00:22:38,909 --> 00:22:39,783 I took. 593 00:22:40,896 --> 00:22:43,303 If you were taken photographs of the birds 594 00:22:43,757 --> 00:22:46,819 say 10 years ago. They all almost exclusively 595 00:22:47,116 --> 00:22:49,986 fed on sand. So there's a lot of 596 00:22:49,986 --> 00:22:53,745 famous puff photographs with Eels just drape over 597 00:22:53,745 --> 00:22:54,461 there, Beacon, 598 00:22:55,177 --> 00:22:56,711 they're really cool in that 599 00:22:57,166 --> 00:22:59,632 amongst that family birds, the orcs, 600 00:23:00,765 --> 00:23:01,265 They 601 00:23:01,724 --> 00:23:02,464 they are 602 00:23:02,765 --> 00:23:05,644 unusual in that they can collect fish, so 603 00:23:05,644 --> 00:23:07,244 they'll dive, catch a fish. 604 00:23:07,819 --> 00:23:09,420 Keep it in there, be, catch another 1. 605 00:23:09,579 --> 00:23:12,240 And so they fly back to the Nearest 606 00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:12,880 burrow 607 00:23:13,420 --> 00:23:15,200 with maybe 15 or 20 608 00:23:15,914 --> 00:23:17,750 sand eels in their beak. 609 00:23:18,388 --> 00:23:20,224 But there's an increasing number of they're having 610 00:23:20,224 --> 00:23:22,880 to get other species. The sand eels are 611 00:23:23,018 --> 00:23:24,796 obviously not in the same 612 00:23:25,507 --> 00:23:28,239 numbers. And so, a lot of the photos 613 00:23:28,376 --> 00:23:31,564 that I got, had the birds with some 614 00:23:31,564 --> 00:23:32,702 shrimp or 615 00:23:34,455 --> 00:23:35,255 some of the other, 616 00:23:35,894 --> 00:23:36,714 small fish, 617 00:23:37,414 --> 00:23:37,815 that 618 00:23:38,535 --> 00:23:41,230 are less favored by the Puff and routine 619 00:23:41,349 --> 00:23:43,769 button, But I think that's an indication that 620 00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:45,049 even though they're 621 00:23:45,349 --> 00:23:46,890 they're still not 622 00:23:47,509 --> 00:23:48,630 critically endangered. 623 00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:50,410 I don't think they're doing 624 00:23:50,962 --> 00:23:53,110 I wouldn't say they're thriving either, 625 00:23:53,906 --> 00:23:56,452 but C was pretty special to see them 626 00:23:56,452 --> 00:23:56,770 brendan. 627 00:23:58,058 --> 00:23:59,013 Yes. Well, 628 00:23:59,968 --> 00:24:02,696 the photos are quite special too that's 629 00:24:03,946 --> 00:24:05,275 very jealous. Now 630 00:24:05,791 --> 00:24:08,678 jumping around again. Did you see or visit 631 00:24:09,689 --> 00:24:10,189 any 632 00:24:10,643 --> 00:24:13,427 veterinary clinics we thought? That... So. 633 00:24:14,399 --> 00:24:18,714 There is 1 veterinary clinic in long urban, 634 00:24:20,072 --> 00:24:22,365 and and it wasn't open while we were 635 00:24:22,484 --> 00:24:24,023 it, but it was really 636 00:24:24,562 --> 00:24:25,062 interesting 637 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:26,660 that 638 00:24:27,518 --> 00:24:30,235 there are no cats on sv, Only dogs. 639 00:24:30,568 --> 00:24:32,715 And the dogs are all working dogs generally, 640 00:24:34,305 --> 00:24:36,713 arctic grade dogs who sled 641 00:24:37,088 --> 00:24:38,304 who work the sled 642 00:24:38,933 --> 00:24:42,126 during... Particularly during the the winter. 643 00:24:42,765 --> 00:24:45,000 They do also work the sled in the 644 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,857 summer for tourists. They have 645 00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:49,579 wheeled 646 00:24:50,112 --> 00:24:52,417 sled, so the doors can still work. 647 00:24:53,848 --> 00:24:55,143 But that's the main 648 00:24:55,454 --> 00:24:58,242 work, I think that the veterinary practice does 649 00:24:58,242 --> 00:24:59,141 in sv. 650 00:25:00,632 --> 00:25:02,885 Similarly, when we got 2 iceland, 651 00:25:03,421 --> 00:25:06,222 we we sought out as you do, I 652 00:25:06,222 --> 00:25:07,734 don't know. Well, I don't know whether the 653 00:25:07,734 --> 00:25:09,565 else does Maybe I'm the weird 1 who 654 00:25:09,565 --> 00:25:11,974 just goes looking for veterinary practices 655 00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:12,827 everywhere I go. 656 00:25:13,861 --> 00:25:16,364 But I tends to be a little bit 657 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:18,646 the inverse that that 658 00:25:20,236 --> 00:25:20,475 they... 659 00:25:21,508 --> 00:25:24,966 I'd say they're predominantly a a cat focused 660 00:25:26,297 --> 00:25:29,423 society. We actually went into 1 of the 661 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,652 the cafes right near our 662 00:25:32,601 --> 00:25:33,238 accommodation was, 663 00:25:34,195 --> 00:25:35,549 yep a a cat. 664 00:25:36,585 --> 00:25:36,824 Well, 665 00:25:37,860 --> 00:25:38,896 had 4 or our cats. 666 00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:41,809 All facilities for the cats. And was 667 00:25:42,349 --> 00:25:44,910 bloody well attended as a consequence the cats 668 00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:45,950 were a real attraction. 669 00:25:46,670 --> 00:25:48,805 So so, yeah, it was interesting that the 670 00:25:49,004 --> 00:25:50,463 species of pet 671 00:25:51,002 --> 00:25:52,280 was different in each 1. 672 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,556 But, yes, with same deal when we got 673 00:25:55,556 --> 00:25:56,776 to the the, 674 00:25:58,605 --> 00:26:00,599 the veterinary practice in Rey ic. 675 00:26:01,636 --> 00:26:03,470 They were closed when we got there, so 676 00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:04,826 we didn't get to go in and make 677 00:26:04,826 --> 00:26:05,145 friends. 678 00:26:06,262 --> 00:26:06,661 We did. 679 00:26:07,555 --> 00:26:09,075 They probably heard you on the way, Mark, 680 00:26:09,234 --> 00:26:11,075 and they quickly shut up the shutters. Yeah. 681 00:26:11,234 --> 00:26:13,875 That's quite possibly the case. And the other 682 00:26:13,875 --> 00:26:16,295 exciting place that we drove past was 683 00:26:17,807 --> 00:26:18,285 was 684 00:26:18,684 --> 00:26:20,301 Oops sal University, 685 00:26:20,838 --> 00:26:22,833 in Sweden. We did a quick side to 686 00:26:22,833 --> 00:26:24,765 it at Sweden and and went and had 687 00:26:24,765 --> 00:26:25,884 a look for for, 688 00:26:26,525 --> 00:26:27,484 some brown beers. 689 00:26:28,204 --> 00:26:30,845 But as we're driving to the location where 690 00:26:30,845 --> 00:26:33,338 the beers, we didn't see them. But when 691 00:26:33,338 --> 00:26:36,132 we're driving to that location, we went right 692 00:26:36,132 --> 00:26:37,170 past the gates of, 693 00:26:38,048 --> 00:26:41,082 Sal University, which richard which has an excellent 694 00:26:41,082 --> 00:26:41,881 veterinary school. 695 00:26:43,491 --> 00:26:43,809 Yes. 696 00:26:45,961 --> 00:26:46,461 Reindeer. 697 00:26:49,309 --> 00:26:52,264 The young the the interesting thing about the 698 00:26:52,344 --> 00:26:55,596 Reindeer as sv, So my understanding is that 699 00:26:55,596 --> 00:26:56,072 there's, 700 00:26:56,548 --> 00:26:57,445 you know, Reindeer 701 00:26:57,753 --> 00:26:58,229 Caribou. 702 00:26:59,182 --> 00:27:00,714 There's about 7 703 00:27:01,246 --> 00:27:02,040 subs species, 704 00:27:03,390 --> 00:27:04,445 populations of 705 00:27:04,819 --> 00:27:06,049 of, different 706 00:27:06,665 --> 00:27:07,644 types of brandy 707 00:27:08,340 --> 00:27:09,159 throughout those 708 00:27:10,014 --> 00:27:10,514 arctic 709 00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:14,023 regions in, Northern Russia and 710 00:27:14,894 --> 00:27:18,427 Alaska in Canada and and the smile Reindeer 711 00:27:19,523 --> 00:27:20,481 is the smallest. 712 00:27:21,199 --> 00:27:22,976 Only weighing in and about, 713 00:27:23,766 --> 00:27:26,867 large male, like, the 85 of 90 kilos. 714 00:27:27,503 --> 00:27:30,286 They they... And they've got really short legs. 715 00:27:32,051 --> 00:27:34,517 So they ended up. They sort of were 716 00:27:34,517 --> 00:27:36,983 roughly the same dimensions as a large goat 717 00:27:36,983 --> 00:27:38,416 I'd that I suppose. 718 00:27:39,703 --> 00:27:41,453 But they had the time where were over 719 00:27:41,453 --> 00:27:43,601 there. They had... Their ant was were all 720 00:27:43,601 --> 00:27:44,101 nicely 721 00:27:44,794 --> 00:27:46,563 inferred up. And growing, 722 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,033 and and they did look pretty spectacular even 723 00:27:51,033 --> 00:27:54,067 if somewhat smaller than than their may main 724 00:27:54,067 --> 00:27:54,466 cousins. 725 00:27:55,917 --> 00:27:56,156 Yeah. 726 00:27:58,469 --> 00:27:58,969 I'm 727 00:27:59,744 --> 00:28:02,376 still very jealous mark of this truth. Now 728 00:28:02,376 --> 00:28:03,594 any any 729 00:28:04,783 --> 00:28:06,933 Anything a that didn't go quite to play. 730 00:28:07,570 --> 00:28:09,959 You wanna check. You know that there's always 731 00:28:09,959 --> 00:28:11,950 something that doesn't go quite plan. 732 00:28:13,557 --> 00:28:14,591 I thought I have gotta say, 733 00:28:15,943 --> 00:28:16,977 by large, 734 00:28:17,851 --> 00:28:18,351 everything 735 00:28:19,283 --> 00:28:20,976 did go fairly 736 00:28:22,066 --> 00:28:22,782 fairly well. 737 00:28:23,515 --> 00:28:25,355 But they were a couple of times that, 738 00:28:26,315 --> 00:28:29,934 probably the worst 1, the worst and and 739 00:28:30,888 --> 00:28:32,641 The days that we had quite a few 740 00:28:32,641 --> 00:28:34,713 flights on this trip, And the days that 741 00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:35,987 you're going to airports. 742 00:28:36,705 --> 00:28:39,037 I know there's just an added level of 743 00:28:39,095 --> 00:28:40,051 anxiety in my mind. 744 00:28:41,259 --> 00:28:43,566 Well, as well, the trip to come home, 745 00:28:43,963 --> 00:28:45,156 we're leaving Rey ic. 746 00:28:45,872 --> 00:28:47,701 We have a 7AM 747 00:28:47,701 --> 00:28:48,996 flight out of 748 00:28:49,371 --> 00:28:49,871 of 749 00:28:50,895 --> 00:28:51,395 Ke 750 00:28:51,768 --> 00:28:52,268 airport 751 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,354 near Rey. 752 00:28:53,989 --> 00:28:54,464 And 753 00:28:55,813 --> 00:28:58,034 and we were supposed to catch a bus. 754 00:28:58,764 --> 00:28:59,884 That would take us 755 00:29:00,365 --> 00:29:00,865 to 756 00:29:01,565 --> 00:29:03,644 the airport from our accommodation. 757 00:29:04,684 --> 00:29:07,004 Well, I don't know whether I'm misread the 758 00:29:07,004 --> 00:29:08,778 the tick but the bus never showed up. 759 00:29:08,938 --> 00:29:10,716 And so we ended up having to 760 00:29:11,974 --> 00:29:13,652 get a little bit of a rush taxi 761 00:29:13,652 --> 00:29:15,865 and, you know, maybe always worry about those 762 00:29:16,460 --> 00:29:19,161 international flights that, I've gotta have, you know, 763 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,853 so many hours beforehand, 764 00:29:21,385 --> 00:29:23,769 make sure... Got every train. Yeah. Yeah. 765 00:29:24,578 --> 00:29:26,004 So yes. We did have a little bit 766 00:29:26,004 --> 00:29:28,778 of a... And, you know, our taxi driver 767 00:29:28,778 --> 00:29:29,650 was so good, 768 00:29:32,124 --> 00:29:34,121 you always dreamed like, you're gonna get into 769 00:29:34,121 --> 00:29:35,719 a taxi 1 day and go buy that 770 00:29:35,719 --> 00:29:36,619 car, and 771 00:29:37,157 --> 00:29:39,728 really felt like that. Was like, we're late 772 00:29:39,728 --> 00:29:41,324 for our flight. Can you get a sec 773 00:29:41,324 --> 00:29:42,382 quick and eat 774 00:29:44,036 --> 00:29:44,595 took the 775 00:29:45,233 --> 00:29:48,612 the took the risk with the the the 776 00:29:48,826 --> 00:29:51,626 icelandic cons stab and and got us there 777 00:29:52,555 --> 00:29:53,769 that surprisingly 778 00:29:54,141 --> 00:29:54,617 quickly. 779 00:29:55,826 --> 00:29:56,464 And you had... 780 00:29:57,979 --> 00:29:59,493 You're in a little bit of a log, 781 00:29:59,971 --> 00:30:01,486 at 1 stage you didn't she. 782 00:30:01,964 --> 00:30:03,182 Enough... It's been a 783 00:30:03,493 --> 00:30:05,161 Oh was it Kate? Was it you? A 784 00:30:05,161 --> 00:30:07,225 a little bit of 1 episode but now, 785 00:30:07,384 --> 00:30:08,972 I think it's 1 of the things about 786 00:30:08,972 --> 00:30:09,472 being 787 00:30:10,402 --> 00:30:11,219 on those 788 00:30:11,751 --> 00:30:12,251 small 789 00:30:13,834 --> 00:30:14,232 you know, 790 00:30:15,346 --> 00:30:16,563 expedition style cruises 791 00:30:17,178 --> 00:30:19,964 that you are in relatively close proximity to 792 00:30:19,964 --> 00:30:20,862 a lot of people 793 00:30:22,129 --> 00:30:22,629 and 794 00:30:23,005 --> 00:30:25,155 and, yeah, at the the end of the 795 00:30:25,155 --> 00:30:26,668 first trick k got a little bit of 796 00:30:26,668 --> 00:30:27,168 a, 797 00:30:28,101 --> 00:30:29,238 head cold that 798 00:30:29,709 --> 00:30:32,660 that made it uncomfortable for a while, made 799 00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:35,212 made they... Both these ships had a ship 800 00:30:35,212 --> 00:30:35,611 doctor, 801 00:30:36,170 --> 00:30:38,323 and we did have a number of Covid 802 00:30:38,323 --> 00:30:41,127 and influenza a test all come back negative. 803 00:30:41,366 --> 00:30:41,866 So 804 00:30:42,402 --> 00:30:45,428 had some poor rhino coronavirus that that made 805 00:30:45,428 --> 00:30:46,247 us bit 806 00:30:47,180 --> 00:30:47,840 a bit 807 00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:51,109 well, like you said, made us feel a 808 00:30:51,109 --> 00:30:52,490 bit run down, but 809 00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:55,029 this is what happens when your travel isn't 810 00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:55,690 it Brendan 811 00:30:57,828 --> 00:31:00,287 Yes. It's a price you pay for visiting 812 00:31:00,287 --> 00:31:03,801 these amazing places and seen these incredible 813 00:31:04,586 --> 00:31:07,450 and I've also send some fantastic humans as 814 00:31:07,450 --> 00:31:09,757 well. I've gotta tell you... Yes. It's 3 815 00:31:09,757 --> 00:31:10,552 other quick things. 816 00:31:11,204 --> 00:31:13,359 The first 1 is, and you hinted into 817 00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:15,513 that there that the icing on the cake 818 00:31:15,513 --> 00:31:17,450 for me with each of these trips 819 00:31:18,147 --> 00:31:20,316 because we do sort of plan them to 820 00:31:20,316 --> 00:31:22,070 go and see while like that sort of 821 00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:22,309 like, 822 00:31:23,186 --> 00:31:25,498 objective. But it is always a 823 00:31:25,976 --> 00:31:27,593 bit of a pleasant surprise 824 00:31:28,223 --> 00:31:30,865 that we need a few more people of 825 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,420 a 826 00:31:32,268 --> 00:31:32,768 a 827 00:31:33,220 --> 00:31:34,831 tribe as it were 828 00:31:35,219 --> 00:31:37,293 And yet, it's always pretty cool to meet 829 00:31:37,293 --> 00:31:38,271 up with some 830 00:31:38,808 --> 00:31:41,302 peep... Other people from around the world who 831 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,811 who are interested in Wildlife and conservation and 832 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,662 and seeing that these animals in the wild. 833 00:31:48,059 --> 00:31:50,940 The first trip we're on. They were basically 834 00:31:51,075 --> 00:31:51,552 all 835 00:31:52,107 --> 00:31:52,607 Europeans, 836 00:31:53,139 --> 00:31:53,639 Dutch 837 00:31:53,948 --> 00:31:55,138 and German people. 838 00:31:55,852 --> 00:31:57,915 And I'm always in awe of people who... 839 00:31:58,629 --> 00:32:00,771 I feel guilty that I don't speak more 840 00:32:00,771 --> 00:32:01,271 languages. 841 00:32:02,453 --> 00:32:04,923 It's just wonderful but that these people take 842 00:32:04,923 --> 00:32:06,755 the time to learn English as well as 843 00:32:06,755 --> 00:32:08,371 their native language. And, 844 00:32:08,826 --> 00:32:11,019 yeah, It's always good to 845 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,940 to talk to them in iceland. 846 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:13,799 The, 847 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,420 it's a little bit of a iceland 848 00:32:17,813 --> 00:32:20,295 tourism board has done this trick where they 849 00:32:21,461 --> 00:32:23,943 have set up a stop over for Americans 850 00:32:24,236 --> 00:32:25,108 flying to Europe. 851 00:32:25,837 --> 00:32:27,979 And so almost all the people on our 852 00:32:27,979 --> 00:32:29,169 second voyage were 853 00:32:29,962 --> 00:32:31,866 where American is. But but, yeah. 854 00:32:32,738 --> 00:32:33,744 Same sort of thing, 855 00:32:34,823 --> 00:32:36,740 people who think the same way we do 856 00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:39,317 and and view the world and 857 00:32:40,016 --> 00:32:42,105 the problems that faces and with a bit 858 00:32:42,105 --> 00:32:44,417 of urgency. So it was nice to be 859 00:32:44,417 --> 00:32:45,454 involved with those people. 860 00:32:47,687 --> 00:32:48,506 And the other 861 00:32:48,883 --> 00:32:49,383 highlight 862 00:32:49,934 --> 00:32:50,994 for me, Brendan 863 00:32:51,615 --> 00:32:52,115 was 864 00:32:52,654 --> 00:32:54,095 the arctic foxes. 865 00:32:54,654 --> 00:32:57,075 So we went to a number of 866 00:32:57,549 --> 00:32:59,459 I mentioned the puff and Rook and we 867 00:32:59,459 --> 00:33:01,130 went to a number of gil number of 868 00:33:01,130 --> 00:33:01,607 gill, 869 00:33:02,562 --> 00:33:05,427 Rook and at the bottom of these cliffs, 870 00:33:06,953 --> 00:33:09,253 that's a place that the arctic Fox tends 871 00:33:09,253 --> 00:33:11,950 to hang out catching, you know, chicks at 872 00:33:11,950 --> 00:33:13,378 fall and eggs that roll down. 873 00:33:14,349 --> 00:33:17,329 And Marquis is their beautiful animals too. So 874 00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:19,710 it was pretty cool to get to to 875 00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:21,684 get to see pretty up close 876 00:33:22,122 --> 00:33:24,588 And at the top, like we went in 877 00:33:24,588 --> 00:33:25,486 the northern 878 00:33:25,861 --> 00:33:26,338 summer, 879 00:33:27,213 --> 00:33:28,111 and the 880 00:33:29,139 --> 00:33:30,118 arctic foxes 881 00:33:30,737 --> 00:33:32,336 white in the winter and then they shed 882 00:33:32,336 --> 00:33:33,795 their white coat 883 00:33:34,813 --> 00:33:36,651 to be sort of like a a bit 884 00:33:36,651 --> 00:33:39,142 of a, brown shorter coat 885 00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:42,411 for the the, summer, button we got to 886 00:33:42,411 --> 00:33:44,246 see 1 or 2 of the foxes who 887 00:33:44,246 --> 00:33:46,559 would in completely shared and so you've got 888 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:47,776 a bit of a hint of 889 00:33:48,089 --> 00:33:50,002 what they might look like in the in 890 00:33:50,002 --> 00:33:51,836 the snow and winter. So... 891 00:33:52,793 --> 00:33:55,823 Yeah. All all things that I wish I 892 00:33:55,823 --> 00:33:58,470 can share with you Brendan. I wish they 893 00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:58,948 would be. 894 00:34:01,420 --> 00:34:03,653 Well, I wasn't Mark. I'll slave in away 895 00:34:04,291 --> 00:34:05,567 and in cold. 896 00:34:06,379 --> 00:34:08,477 Winter at Melbourne. We've had a 897 00:34:08,936 --> 00:34:10,534 very cold winter here, Mark, 898 00:34:11,333 --> 00:34:12,232 where you've been 899 00:34:12,691 --> 00:34:15,285 up north although it was a tad chilly 900 00:34:15,425 --> 00:34:17,105 where you were that was some. 901 00:34:19,025 --> 00:34:20,864 Up near the arctic there. But, yes, 902 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,354 great to hear you at a fantastic time 903 00:34:23,354 --> 00:34:25,508 and that you made it both of you 904 00:34:25,508 --> 00:34:26,704 made it back safely. 905 00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:29,735 I'm looking forward to catching up with you 906 00:34:29,735 --> 00:34:31,032 when we head over to 907 00:34:31,822 --> 00:34:35,002 to the nation's capital in November here for 908 00:34:35,638 --> 00:34:37,863 our initial pet avon veterinarian conference, 909 00:34:39,389 --> 00:34:41,389 so we've fun catching up there, and I 910 00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:42,769 think we've got a couple of 911 00:34:43,630 --> 00:34:44,030 surprise, 912 00:34:44,989 --> 00:34:48,429 special guests to record their mark, which we 913 00:34:48,429 --> 00:34:49,743 won't talk about 914 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:50,918 at the moment. 915 00:34:52,114 --> 00:34:54,130 And I'm really looking forward to 916 00:34:55,225 --> 00:34:57,559 1 person in particular that we're going to, 917 00:34:57,857 --> 00:34:58,357 hopefully 918 00:34:59,066 --> 00:35:01,524 snap for a podcast mark 919 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,853 as no doubt you are, so that will 920 00:35:04,853 --> 00:35:05,963 be great. And 921 00:35:06,695 --> 00:35:08,215 Yes. We'd love to hear from our listeners, 922 00:35:08,375 --> 00:35:10,614 Mark, where have you been recently? Have you 923 00:35:10,614 --> 00:35:13,335 any areas that you'd recommend Mark visits on 924 00:35:13,335 --> 00:35:14,535 his worldwide travels. 925 00:35:16,389 --> 00:35:17,847 Or Brendan on his badger. 926 00:35:20,220 --> 00:35:21,816 Vet guru at gmail dot com, 927 00:35:22,614 --> 00:35:24,130 send us an email, and 928 00:35:25,104 --> 00:35:26,542 Thanks for listening And we'll talk to you 929 00:35:26,542 --> 00:35:27,182 on next week. 930 00:35:38,196 --> 00:35:40,340 Thanks for listening to the Vet podcast by 931 00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:42,738 the Vet guru to forget to visit us 932 00:35:42,738 --> 00:35:45,281 at the website, vet guru dot com where 933 00:35:45,281 --> 00:35:47,983 you can subscribe, view show notes, listen the 934 00:35:47,983 --> 00:35:50,820 previous episodes and more. 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