1 00:00:01,234 --> 00:00:03,168 Welcome to the Vet podcast 2 00:00:03,623 --> 00:00:05,933 by the Vet guru, Brendan and Mark. 3 00:00:06,490 --> 00:00:08,822 Get ready for the latest veterinary news 4 00:00:09,453 --> 00:00:10,730 information and entertainment. 5 00:00:11,288 --> 00:00:12,645 Don't forget to visit us at the Vet 6 00:00:12,645 --> 00:00:16,156 guru website vet guru dot com. Now sit 7 00:00:16,156 --> 00:00:16,395 back. 8 00:00:17,047 --> 00:00:18,899 Relax. It's over to the Vector, 9 00:00:19,513 --> 00:00:20,786 Brandon and Mark. 10 00:00:23,744 --> 00:00:26,538 Welcome to the Brendan here with Mark, 11 00:00:27,655 --> 00:00:30,151 Entertainment. Mark Just listening to the intro 12 00:00:30,529 --> 00:00:32,285 entertainment. We've got to entertainment a bit more. 13 00:00:32,858 --> 00:00:34,847 How are you, Mark? I'm great, Ben and 14 00:00:35,006 --> 00:00:36,200 I'm really really well. 15 00:00:37,075 --> 00:00:37,632 Excellent. 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This is an an 45 00:01:45,112 --> 00:01:47,577 unlabeled podcast because this is an episode we're 46 00:01:47,577 --> 00:01:48,077 gonna 47 00:01:49,023 --> 00:01:51,808 shovel in when we are both away on 48 00:01:51,808 --> 00:01:55,094 holiday somewhere some time, Mark, but 49 00:01:55,947 --> 00:01:58,277 it's a very cheap, very cheap 50 00:01:59,066 --> 00:01:59,566 continuing 51 00:01:59,942 --> 00:02:02,013 education and think about thrown as a buyer 52 00:02:02,013 --> 00:02:03,708 given us a couple of dollars to help 53 00:02:04,721 --> 00:02:06,974 pay for our costs or even visit 54 00:02:07,762 --> 00:02:11,597 the amazing in merchandise at the Shop on 55 00:02:11,652 --> 00:02:13,161 etsy ATSY 56 00:02:13,161 --> 00:02:14,510 dot com guru dot com. 57 00:02:15,399 --> 00:02:17,951 And with that, Mark, enough have advertising in 58 00:02:17,951 --> 00:02:19,786 and trying to trying to get some money 59 00:02:19,786 --> 00:02:21,062 to pay for all our costs. 60 00:02:21,860 --> 00:02:24,673 Let's jump into news items, Mark and 61 00:02:25,781 --> 00:02:27,845 I like the 1 I have marks. So 62 00:02:27,925 --> 00:02:28,480 I'm gonna use, 63 00:02:29,195 --> 00:02:31,021 do at my 1 first. 64 00:02:31,974 --> 00:02:33,110 Ants using 65 00:02:33,562 --> 00:02:34,650 antibiotics mark 66 00:02:36,285 --> 00:02:37,424 Ads recognize 67 00:02:37,961 --> 00:02:41,732 infected wounds and treat themselves with anti. 68 00:02:42,523 --> 00:02:43,023 Biotic. 69 00:02:44,824 --> 00:02:48,339 I love this. Science news markets it's it's 70 00:02:48,394 --> 00:02:50,481 a a little study that was done 71 00:02:51,187 --> 00:02:54,685 regarding the, and I'll butcher the name of 72 00:02:54,685 --> 00:02:55,877 these ants marker, 73 00:02:56,513 --> 00:02:57,864 meta metabolism amps, 74 00:02:58,500 --> 00:02:59,000 matter. 75 00:03:00,745 --> 00:03:01,064 Ants, 76 00:03:01,705 --> 00:03:03,165 which are widespread 77 00:03:03,465 --> 00:03:04,905 south of the Sahara, 78 00:03:05,545 --> 00:03:07,705 and they have a pretty narrow diet mark 79 00:03:07,705 --> 00:03:09,979 these ants only eat. Termites. 80 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,939 And as you could imagine that termites 81 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:15,979 do not like to be eaten, so 82 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,444 they have pretty powerful ama and they chomp 83 00:03:18,444 --> 00:03:20,353 on some of these ants. So if the 84 00:03:20,353 --> 00:03:21,944 wounds become infected Mark, 85 00:03:22,501 --> 00:03:26,050 they found that pretty The ants have developed 86 00:03:26,669 --> 00:03:27,569 a sophisticated 87 00:03:27,949 --> 00:03:29,729 system where they can distinguish 88 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:33,801 between non infected it and infected wounds, 89 00:03:34,679 --> 00:03:38,350 and they treat the infected wounds, mark, the 90 00:03:38,350 --> 00:03:39,707 ants with antibiotics. 91 00:03:41,477 --> 00:03:43,391 So which they produce themselves. 92 00:03:44,268 --> 00:03:46,500 So I think this is pretty amazing. Isn't 93 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:48,574 it? So they've I know I agree with 94 00:03:48,574 --> 00:03:51,374 you. I think it's out damp amazing. And 95 00:03:51,374 --> 00:03:52,033 and and 96 00:03:52,883 --> 00:03:54,575 and the fact that they they 97 00:03:55,425 --> 00:03:58,603 recognized by changes in the the nature of 98 00:03:58,603 --> 00:03:59,103 chi 99 00:04:00,048 --> 00:04:03,148 the degree of damage and the nature of 100 00:04:03,148 --> 00:04:06,566 the pathogen that might be infecting animals and 101 00:04:06,566 --> 00:04:07,066 they 102 00:04:08,236 --> 00:04:08,736 apply 103 00:04:10,003 --> 00:04:10,822 antibiotic laden 104 00:04:12,797 --> 00:04:14,654 well, I suppose they chew it up and 105 00:04:14,952 --> 00:04:16,628 spit it out onto the wound. 106 00:04:17,267 --> 00:04:18,360 Yep. That is 107 00:04:18,796 --> 00:04:19,273 Jesus, 108 00:04:19,829 --> 00:04:22,528 I think. I think this article says that 109 00:04:22,528 --> 00:04:25,410 only humans and ants are known to 110 00:04:26,754 --> 00:04:29,092 provide care wound care of this 111 00:04:29,710 --> 00:04:32,347 sort of this sophistication. It... It is amazing. 112 00:04:32,747 --> 00:04:35,796 Yes. And they take antibiotics from the meta 113 00:04:35,796 --> 00:04:38,349 pleural gland mark, As you well know, the 114 00:04:38,349 --> 00:04:40,344 meta pleural gland is located on the side 115 00:04:40,344 --> 00:04:41,221 of their thor. 116 00:04:42,034 --> 00:04:45,563 And the secret creation apparently contains 112 117 00:04:45,621 --> 00:04:46,100 components, 118 00:04:46,976 --> 00:04:48,752 half of which have an 119 00:04:49,129 --> 00:04:52,037 microbial or wound healing effect and 120 00:04:52,814 --> 00:04:56,086 researchers have found the therapies, highly effective the 121 00:04:56,086 --> 00:04:58,422 mortality rate of individuals infected 122 00:04:59,372 --> 00:05:02,315 was reduced by 90 percent mark. So there 123 00:05:02,315 --> 00:05:05,416 we go. Interestingly enough mark, they mentioned in 124 00:05:05,416 --> 00:05:06,450 the article that 125 00:05:07,659 --> 00:05:09,356 1 of the, prom 126 00:05:10,691 --> 00:05:13,803 pathogens mark in these wounds is pseudo minus. 127 00:05:14,281 --> 00:05:15,650 I know. And 128 00:05:16,127 --> 00:05:19,065 which is reason why they were undertaking this 129 00:05:19,065 --> 00:05:21,686 study because obviously, they're looking at these secretions 130 00:05:21,686 --> 00:05:23,037 and trying to work out new, 131 00:05:23,927 --> 00:05:26,261 potential anti microbial compounds. 132 00:05:28,153 --> 00:05:30,944 So I thought there was a amazing little, 133 00:05:31,502 --> 00:05:34,006 article there mark you were correct. That is 134 00:05:34,300 --> 00:05:36,602 outstanding and and I can't wait today when 135 00:05:36,681 --> 00:05:37,578 I get some 136 00:05:38,507 --> 00:05:39,007 antibiotics. 137 00:05:39,539 --> 00:05:39,777 Yes. 138 00:05:40,350 --> 00:05:40,669 And 139 00:05:41,310 --> 00:05:44,189 even better is, it's from the test the 140 00:05:44,189 --> 00:05:46,669 sources from the University of Was mark. 141 00:05:47,563 --> 00:05:47,801 And, 142 00:05:49,391 --> 00:05:50,982 what more could you want? The University of 143 00:05:51,061 --> 00:05:51,561 Words? 144 00:05:52,174 --> 00:05:54,003 I want to head over there and 145 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,309 look at this study. So what have you 146 00:05:56,309 --> 00:05:59,845 got Mark? Well, minds a very approximate topic 147 00:06:00,299 --> 00:06:02,365 given that I've been doing some work with 148 00:06:02,445 --> 00:06:02,842 Crocodile, 149 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:03,819 Queensland 150 00:06:04,273 --> 00:06:05,330 wildlife life officers 151 00:06:05,704 --> 00:06:06,204 investigate 152 00:06:06,832 --> 00:06:09,639 a particular case where a crocodile 153 00:06:10,730 --> 00:06:11,230 leap 154 00:06:11,605 --> 00:06:13,378 into fisherman tin 155 00:06:14,089 --> 00:06:16,726 he narrowly escaped a attack north of Mckay 156 00:06:16,726 --> 00:06:17,945 in North Queensland. 157 00:06:19,203 --> 00:06:21,521 He's fished the spot for decades. Like, you 158 00:06:21,521 --> 00:06:22,320 need to stop that. 159 00:06:22,894 --> 00:06:25,694 You need to explain what a tin is. 160 00:06:25,854 --> 00:06:28,414 How what a. Doesn't it doesn't everyone around 161 00:06:28,414 --> 00:06:30,334 the world. Know what a 10 is. 162 00:06:31,860 --> 00:06:32,099 No. 163 00:06:32,893 --> 00:06:35,514 Okay. A 10 years, a small, 164 00:06:36,150 --> 00:06:36,627 generally, 165 00:06:37,580 --> 00:06:38,557 aluminum water. 166 00:06:39,984 --> 00:06:41,602 Employed by Australians to 167 00:06:42,141 --> 00:06:43,520 go into est 168 00:06:44,139 --> 00:06:45,918 locations for the purposes, primarily 169 00:06:46,697 --> 00:06:48,455 of fishing and sometimes drinking. 170 00:06:49,027 --> 00:06:49,527 Yes. 171 00:06:50,139 --> 00:06:52,282 So a little a little water, a little 172 00:06:52,282 --> 00:06:54,107 a little boat that's made of, you know, 173 00:06:54,266 --> 00:06:57,044 metal or around, aluminum and hence the name 174 00:06:57,203 --> 00:06:59,764 Tin. Timmy. Yes. Go ahead Mark. 175 00:07:01,276 --> 00:07:03,266 So l intrepid fishermen, 176 00:07:04,062 --> 00:07:06,609 who demonstrates 1 of the characteristics of many 177 00:07:06,609 --> 00:07:07,325 of these attacks. 178 00:07:08,692 --> 00:07:11,897 Familiarity with the area. I think familiarity breeds 179 00:07:12,669 --> 00:07:15,873 confidence and contempt that sometimes people 180 00:07:16,184 --> 00:07:18,098 do these things often and Are not attacked 181 00:07:18,098 --> 00:07:20,092 by crocodile that they keep doing them, 182 00:07:21,289 --> 00:07:23,921 maybe a little bit dangerously in the expectation 183 00:07:23,921 --> 00:07:26,050 that they will never be attacked in obvious 184 00:07:26,169 --> 00:07:26,967 the some days. 185 00:07:27,605 --> 00:07:29,679 The crocodile decide today is the day. 186 00:07:30,795 --> 00:07:33,746 The man jump, then jumped the crocodile after 187 00:07:33,746 --> 00:07:35,661 the crocodile jumped in the boat, 188 00:07:36,550 --> 00:07:38,926 and jumped over it to get to the 189 00:07:38,926 --> 00:07:39,426 bow 190 00:07:40,115 --> 00:07:42,571 so that he could retrieve the anchor. I 191 00:07:42,571 --> 00:07:43,259 suppose he's 192 00:07:43,617 --> 00:07:45,682 like thinking. I don't know what I would 193 00:07:45,682 --> 00:07:46,341 have just 194 00:07:47,271 --> 00:07:49,098 jumped over the crocodile to get the anchor 195 00:07:49,098 --> 00:07:50,790 just since like a remarkably 196 00:07:52,371 --> 00:07:54,201 She trying to pull up the anchor so 197 00:07:54,201 --> 00:07:56,292 he could head off or donkey the product 198 00:07:56,348 --> 00:07:57,701 on the head with you eyes. 199 00:07:59,069 --> 00:08:01,940 The crocodile as he's being jumped over pivoted, 200 00:08:02,498 --> 00:08:05,051 over unbalanced and fell back into the water 201 00:08:05,051 --> 00:08:07,284 and bent the rails of the side of 202 00:08:07,284 --> 00:08:08,640 the boat as he did so. 203 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:12,780 Look Brandon, I think that 1 of... 204 00:08:13,574 --> 00:08:14,550 You know I've 205 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,164 come into close contact with a number of 206 00:08:17,164 --> 00:08:20,133 crocodile up here. We've been catching them. And 207 00:08:20,589 --> 00:08:22,820 they are pretty keen to get away from 208 00:08:22,820 --> 00:08:24,276 people in most instances 209 00:08:24,652 --> 00:08:25,152 unless 210 00:08:25,624 --> 00:08:27,060 they think there's a meal in it for 211 00:08:27,060 --> 00:08:28,359 them. And 212 00:08:28,737 --> 00:08:31,131 I worry. Not... I'm not accusing of this 213 00:08:31,131 --> 00:08:32,669 fisherman of having done anything, 214 00:08:33,047 --> 00:08:35,778 but if efficient people in general, 215 00:08:37,456 --> 00:08:39,075 cutting their fish, tipping 216 00:08:40,253 --> 00:08:43,450 bait over the edge, then Crocodile learn, 217 00:08:44,024 --> 00:08:46,016 that that that's an easy meal, and that 218 00:08:46,016 --> 00:08:48,088 at a location they should hang around for 219 00:08:48,088 --> 00:08:49,523 a meal that's not gonna cost them a 220 00:08:49,523 --> 00:08:50,877 lot, A lot of energy. 221 00:08:51,930 --> 00:08:53,050 And sooner or later, 222 00:08:53,690 --> 00:08:56,250 if they keep finding food that's falling out 223 00:08:56,250 --> 00:08:57,450 of boats, they're gonna think, 224 00:08:58,090 --> 00:08:59,769 maybe I should check what's going on in 225 00:08:59,769 --> 00:09:00,250 that boat. 226 00:09:01,144 --> 00:09:02,523 And so, yeah, I think 227 00:09:03,062 --> 00:09:06,179 this story just makes us all think that 228 00:09:07,138 --> 00:09:10,415 don't get comfortable and in crop country, practice 229 00:09:10,415 --> 00:09:12,368 crop safety and certainly, 230 00:09:13,066 --> 00:09:15,803 make sure that any bait or waste 231 00:09:17,380 --> 00:09:17,674 waste 232 00:09:18,591 --> 00:09:20,662 the fish as they filtered, 233 00:09:21,219 --> 00:09:23,870 the remnant bits are not just tossed overboard 234 00:09:24,008 --> 00:09:27,057 so that the crocodile becomes familiar with 235 00:09:27,449 --> 00:09:29,763 with bo as a source of food, make 236 00:09:29,763 --> 00:09:31,519 sure you take them. I think the same 237 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:33,594 thing happens around the world with animals like 238 00:09:33,594 --> 00:09:36,823 bears in North America that once they become 239 00:09:36,961 --> 00:09:39,595 familiar with humans as a food source, they 240 00:09:39,595 --> 00:09:42,389 become dangerous. And so let's just let. Let's 241 00:09:42,389 --> 00:09:43,506 just not let it happen. 242 00:09:44,477 --> 00:09:47,571 Yes. And be careful in a tin mark. 243 00:09:47,888 --> 00:09:48,388 And 244 00:09:48,761 --> 00:09:50,506 while you're were chatting there, I've, I've looked 245 00:09:50,506 --> 00:09:52,093 up the definition of Tin, 246 00:09:52,745 --> 00:09:53,644 in the Oxford 247 00:09:54,024 --> 00:09:57,404 dictionary, and it says it's a informal Australian 248 00:09:57,464 --> 00:09:59,945 noun, and it has 2 main men Mark 249 00:09:59,945 --> 00:10:02,117 as as you and I will know. A 250 00:10:02,117 --> 00:10:04,825 small boat with an aluminum hull as who 251 00:10:04,825 --> 00:10:07,135 chatting about now, but also a can of 252 00:10:07,135 --> 00:10:09,286 beer. There's a lot of people would know 253 00:10:09,286 --> 00:10:10,481 and their overseas listeners. 254 00:10:10,974 --> 00:10:13,124 You know, that the old catch trays let's 255 00:10:13,124 --> 00:10:15,933 crack open a tin mate. Is what the 256 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:18,857 their quote is in the dictionary there. So 257 00:10:18,857 --> 00:10:20,567 there we go. And interestingly 258 00:10:21,183 --> 00:10:21,821 enough Mark, 259 00:10:23,654 --> 00:10:25,191 the mass production 260 00:10:26,046 --> 00:10:27,162 aluminium run about, 261 00:10:28,613 --> 00:10:30,791 was very much an Australian 262 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:32,309 invention. That 263 00:10:32,688 --> 00:10:35,005 should be proud. It can be traced back 264 00:10:35,005 --> 00:10:38,846 to a New South Wales builder Terry Quan. 265 00:10:39,085 --> 00:10:41,395 I called to the sea music museum. Wow. 266 00:10:41,953 --> 00:10:44,283 There we go. So you'll learn something every 267 00:10:44,283 --> 00:10:44,682 day, Marc. 268 00:10:45,401 --> 00:10:47,479 So, yeah. So be careful in new tin. 269 00:10:47,718 --> 00:10:49,955 Maybe maybe don't go out in a tin 270 00:10:49,955 --> 00:10:50,455 in 271 00:10:50,928 --> 00:10:54,506 cro infested waters would be my recommendations. Although, 272 00:10:55,857 --> 00:10:56,437 I think 273 00:10:56,811 --> 00:10:58,822 it's probably a penny that you head out 274 00:10:59,038 --> 00:10:59,753 in... Is it? 275 00:11:01,595 --> 00:11:02,151 Yes. It is. 276 00:11:04,056 --> 00:11:04,771 Well, I, 277 00:11:05,406 --> 00:11:06,994 I was gonna say Rest my case, but 278 00:11:06,994 --> 00:11:07,549 hopefully not. 279 00:11:08,264 --> 00:11:09,296 Yeah. Be careful, Mark. 280 00:11:10,263 --> 00:11:10,763 And 281 00:11:11,295 --> 00:11:13,200 keep hold of your anchor when you're are 282 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,739 out in opportunity that's all I can say. 283 00:11:16,215 --> 00:11:18,174 So let's jump into my main topic, Mark 284 00:11:18,293 --> 00:11:21,174 this week. I'm going to quiz you about 285 00:11:21,547 --> 00:11:22,047 mark's 286 00:11:22,420 --> 00:11:22,920 5 287 00:11:23,292 --> 00:11:25,459 top tips concern in 288 00:11:26,730 --> 00:11:28,350 sulfur crest cock 289 00:11:29,450 --> 00:11:32,009 in a veterinary hospital. So this is a 290 00:11:32,009 --> 00:11:33,230 fairly specific 291 00:11:34,023 --> 00:11:35,717 top here mark so 292 00:11:36,171 --> 00:11:39,751 what's specific amount. It is specific. Definitely specific. 293 00:11:39,989 --> 00:11:40,807 But and 294 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,279 of I've listed 5 for the sake of 295 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,360 B, But there's a whole bunch of things 296 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,360 we can talk about with sulfur roasted cock 297 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:48,180 two's and 298 00:11:48,654 --> 00:11:50,193 and it is a peculiar 299 00:11:50,811 --> 00:11:51,311 Australian 300 00:11:52,649 --> 00:11:54,886 thing to see them as frequently as we 301 00:11:54,886 --> 00:11:57,453 do. I know they I kept around the 302 00:11:57,453 --> 00:11:58,591 world and other 303 00:11:58,967 --> 00:12:00,503 trains or see them. But 304 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:02,973 they they are a a particular 305 00:12:03,682 --> 00:12:06,146 case of of pet here. And and I 306 00:12:06,146 --> 00:12:07,895 thought there might be some tips that we 307 00:12:07,895 --> 00:12:08,395 have 308 00:12:08,769 --> 00:12:10,358 about the way that we think about them 309 00:12:10,358 --> 00:12:12,286 and look after them that might be applicable 310 00:12:12,286 --> 00:12:14,201 so These are 5 of my ideas. 311 00:12:14,919 --> 00:12:15,898 Okay. So 312 00:12:16,595 --> 00:12:18,351 let's go with number 1 Mark. 313 00:12:19,241 --> 00:12:22,970 Number 1 is to get a behavioral hand 314 00:12:22,970 --> 00:12:24,794 out completed if at all possible. 315 00:12:25,587 --> 00:12:27,995 Now I've the reason, you know, more broadly, 316 00:12:28,235 --> 00:12:30,390 I like to get some those hand outs 317 00:12:30,390 --> 00:12:31,209 and questionnaires 318 00:12:32,226 --> 00:12:34,461 filled out before we do a consult with 319 00:12:34,461 --> 00:12:36,713 many of our art animals, particularly the first 320 00:12:36,713 --> 00:12:39,850 time and particularly for complex problems. 321 00:12:40,868 --> 00:12:43,685 And I find that sulfur christian cock consults 322 00:12:44,079 --> 00:12:46,816 fall into this category more often than average 323 00:12:47,514 --> 00:12:48,952 across their unusual species. 324 00:12:49,831 --> 00:12:53,119 I think that they have a number of, 325 00:12:53,917 --> 00:12:54,417 behavioral 326 00:12:55,673 --> 00:12:56,173 abnormalities 327 00:12:56,791 --> 00:12:59,105 that often feedback into their health. 328 00:12:59,758 --> 00:13:01,189 And if you can get a handle on 329 00:13:01,189 --> 00:13:03,677 those things at, the very first time 330 00:13:04,052 --> 00:13:06,120 you get to see 1 and be aware 331 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:07,392 of it before they come in, 332 00:13:08,282 --> 00:13:10,373 you're gonna be a step ahead also, 333 00:13:10,748 --> 00:13:12,975 handling the way that you handle the animal 334 00:13:12,975 --> 00:13:14,486 when it comes to the hospital, 335 00:13:15,058 --> 00:13:17,363 can be affected by the answers to those 336 00:13:17,363 --> 00:13:18,419 questions. So 337 00:13:18,793 --> 00:13:22,131 knowing that a cock 2, I've had a 338 00:13:22,131 --> 00:13:22,846 case where, 339 00:13:24,853 --> 00:13:27,969 a cocktail was dragged from its very small 340 00:13:27,969 --> 00:13:30,227 cage to be put in a large larger 341 00:13:30,845 --> 00:13:31,245 enclosure. 342 00:13:32,058 --> 00:13:33,754 With gloves and 343 00:13:34,529 --> 00:13:37,978 unsurprisingly, that the poor formed a permanent 344 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:39,652 disinfection 345 00:13:40,123 --> 00:13:40,623 for 346 00:13:42,748 --> 00:13:44,817 leather things in the shape of hands and 347 00:13:44,817 --> 00:13:46,112 fingers. And 348 00:13:47,138 --> 00:13:47,536 And, yeah, 349 00:13:48,649 --> 00:13:50,160 obviously, if you knew that in advance, 350 00:13:50,796 --> 00:13:51,296 definitely, 351 00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:53,340 don't be trying to get that bird out 352 00:13:53,340 --> 00:13:54,692 of the cage with your gloves on. 353 00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:57,116 Find some alternate means, 354 00:13:57,650 --> 00:13:58,548 tau or 355 00:13:59,003 --> 00:14:01,094 something else so that the bird is less 356 00:14:01,310 --> 00:14:03,958 distressed. So, yes. Number 1, get a behavioral 357 00:14:04,348 --> 00:14:05,087 hand out 358 00:14:05,542 --> 00:14:06,042 questionnaire 359 00:14:06,417 --> 00:14:07,530 completed if at all possible. 360 00:14:08,167 --> 00:14:11,110 Great. Idea, Mark. Now, I'll stop you before 361 00:14:11,110 --> 00:14:12,803 number 2 there. My 362 00:14:13,512 --> 00:14:15,445 question is, should these 363 00:14:16,377 --> 00:14:17,730 birds be kept as a bed? 364 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,347 Questions without notice I've gladly accepted. 365 00:14:23,158 --> 00:14:25,943 That that no. No should not be. 366 00:14:27,057 --> 00:14:29,206 And and look at the this... You you 367 00:14:29,206 --> 00:14:30,263 raised the paradox 368 00:14:30,734 --> 00:14:32,912 of the the Avian 369 00:14:33,370 --> 00:14:35,628 veterinarians professional life, that 370 00:14:36,326 --> 00:14:37,465 that I think 371 00:14:38,095 --> 00:14:40,556 that many of the birds that are kept 372 00:14:40,556 --> 00:14:41,373 as pets 373 00:14:43,254 --> 00:14:45,732 Have their quality of life compromise that their 374 00:14:45,732 --> 00:14:47,963 life in captivity is less than it would 375 00:14:47,963 --> 00:14:51,071 be otherwise. And they are just so poorly 376 00:14:51,071 --> 00:14:51,810 to captivity. 377 00:14:53,237 --> 00:14:55,567 That they currently be a small 378 00:14:56,817 --> 00:14:57,317 chime 379 00:14:57,692 --> 00:14:59,124 of the life they would have in the 380 00:14:59,124 --> 00:14:59,442 wild, 381 00:15:00,477 --> 00:15:01,295 a s 382 00:15:02,085 --> 00:15:03,225 no less. But 383 00:15:03,605 --> 00:15:04,504 I think that 384 00:15:05,684 --> 00:15:08,085 I don't think once they have been brought 385 00:15:08,085 --> 00:15:10,904 into captivity once they've been hand once 386 00:15:11,298 --> 00:15:14,638 someone's great grandfather, chopped down a gum tree 387 00:15:14,638 --> 00:15:17,024 in the pad that had a nest of 388 00:15:17,024 --> 00:15:18,773 cock twos in it, and they've hand read 389 00:15:18,773 --> 00:15:19,012 them. 390 00:15:19,727 --> 00:15:20,386 I think 391 00:15:21,253 --> 00:15:23,796 we're obliged to care for those animals that 392 00:15:23,796 --> 00:15:26,656 are in that situation. While also advocating that 393 00:15:26,656 --> 00:15:28,960 for the fact that maybe no more should 394 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,205 come into that. Situation. Does that make sense 395 00:15:31,205 --> 00:15:31,604 for? 396 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,090 It makes perfect sense mark as you're very 397 00:15:36,707 --> 00:15:38,620 very thoughtful and very wise. 398 00:15:39,192 --> 00:15:40,304 Now number 2, Mark, 399 00:15:41,178 --> 00:15:42,767 what do we need to think about? 400 00:15:43,641 --> 00:15:45,547 We need to manage their diet. I have 401 00:15:45,547 --> 00:15:47,080 gotta say, Brendan that 402 00:15:47,628 --> 00:15:49,139 of the sulfur for Kristen. 403 00:15:49,696 --> 00:15:51,628 Cock 2 consults that I've done 404 00:15:52,162 --> 00:15:54,173 less than 1 in 10 405 00:15:54,644 --> 00:15:57,605 have a bird being fed a diet that 406 00:15:57,764 --> 00:16:00,565 I would be considering as appropriate. And, of 407 00:16:00,565 --> 00:16:01,705 course, the biggest culprit 408 00:16:02,258 --> 00:16:04,352 sunflower seeds. Sunflower seeds 409 00:16:05,287 --> 00:16:08,237 you know, various described as the Mcdonald's of 410 00:16:08,237 --> 00:16:11,038 the cock, the Mcdonald's food with Cock 2 411 00:16:11,038 --> 00:16:11,856 world, the 412 00:16:12,625 --> 00:16:13,022 you know, 413 00:16:13,895 --> 00:16:14,847 mars bars there, 414 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,600 high in fat and high in energy and 415 00:16:17,719 --> 00:16:20,259 and very palatable on the birds love them 416 00:16:20,259 --> 00:16:24,330 might become obsessed with them. But as we 417 00:16:24,386 --> 00:16:27,422 would if we ate nothing, but that style 418 00:16:27,422 --> 00:16:27,980 of food, 419 00:16:30,054 --> 00:16:33,244 and, you know, didn't have the natural ability 420 00:16:33,244 --> 00:16:35,797 to fly fast distances and spend large amounts 421 00:16:35,797 --> 00:16:36,355 of energy. 422 00:16:37,405 --> 00:16:40,031 There are health consequences that will come home 423 00:16:40,031 --> 00:16:40,588 to roost. 424 00:16:41,225 --> 00:16:42,998 The key thing I'd say about this 425 00:16:43,613 --> 00:16:44,113 tip 426 00:16:44,819 --> 00:16:46,723 manage their diet, learn what the birds are 427 00:16:46,723 --> 00:16:47,834 reading and manage their diet. 428 00:16:48,706 --> 00:16:50,872 Trying to establish changes slowly 429 00:16:51,499 --> 00:16:54,471 I've I've run into problems several times where 430 00:16:55,008 --> 00:16:58,597 I've denounced the evils of Sunflower seed to 431 00:16:58,597 --> 00:16:59,736 clients who have then 432 00:17:00,113 --> 00:17:00,592 withdrawn them. 433 00:17:02,914 --> 00:17:04,742 Absolutely because they wanna do nothing but the 434 00:17:04,742 --> 00:17:06,808 best for their bird. Yep. And, of course, 435 00:17:06,888 --> 00:17:08,930 the bird goes on an absolute hunger strike 436 00:17:09,129 --> 00:17:11,441 won't eat any of the very healthy, 437 00:17:12,159 --> 00:17:15,029 wonderful mix of food that the client then 438 00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:17,022 goes to the trouble of preparing and gets 439 00:17:17,022 --> 00:17:19,991 very sick because it has inadequate dietary and 440 00:17:19,991 --> 00:17:20,790 intake of anything. 441 00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:22,409 So 442 00:17:23,187 --> 00:17:26,392 make those changes slowly and measure the birds 443 00:17:26,392 --> 00:17:28,857 weight to make sure it's continuing to ingest 444 00:17:28,857 --> 00:17:31,721 food is my tip with respect to diet. 445 00:17:32,692 --> 00:17:34,923 Excellent tip, mark. And I think it increases 446 00:17:34,923 --> 00:17:36,777 the chance of the client actually 447 00:17:38,429 --> 00:17:39,486 completing your 448 00:17:39,863 --> 00:17:41,536 recommendations if you say do it slowly. 449 00:17:42,269 --> 00:17:43,890 I it's that whole 450 00:17:45,549 --> 00:17:48,109 distress and likelihood of success. The slower you 451 00:17:48,109 --> 00:17:50,509 go with changing the diet... The more likely 452 00:17:50,509 --> 00:17:52,365 you are to come out with a good 453 00:17:52,365 --> 00:17:54,224 result at the end and not be frustrated. 454 00:17:54,605 --> 00:17:55,724 You are quite correct. 455 00:17:56,684 --> 00:17:59,565 Number 3 Mark, which is the tip. This 456 00:17:59,565 --> 00:18:00,544 is a bit of a 457 00:18:02,054 --> 00:18:02,554 Like 458 00:18:03,407 --> 00:18:05,715 I I had 2 thoughts about this. I 459 00:18:05,715 --> 00:18:08,261 like to do most of the stuff that 460 00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:10,251 I do with people's pets in front of 461 00:18:10,251 --> 00:18:13,940 them. I don't generally as of of veterinarian, 462 00:18:14,180 --> 00:18:14,920 I don't 463 00:18:16,098 --> 00:18:18,827 like to say to a client. I'm gonna 464 00:18:18,827 --> 00:18:20,810 take your animal away and do something to 465 00:18:20,810 --> 00:18:20,969 it. 466 00:18:21,762 --> 00:18:22,738 I like to 467 00:18:23,111 --> 00:18:26,404 demonstrate to the client that I have the 468 00:18:26,462 --> 00:18:28,855 ability to safely handle their animal, 469 00:18:29,254 --> 00:18:31,169 and that I'm gonna handle it in an 470 00:18:31,169 --> 00:18:32,366 empathetic caring way. 471 00:18:33,019 --> 00:18:35,573 And that the procedures I do to the 472 00:18:35,573 --> 00:18:38,287 animals are not going to be distressing. 473 00:18:39,404 --> 00:18:41,261 Because both the animal and the person 474 00:18:42,053 --> 00:18:43,248 presenting the animal are... 475 00:18:43,726 --> 00:18:45,638 To a certain extent stressed when they come 476 00:18:45,638 --> 00:18:45,957 in. 477 00:18:46,674 --> 00:18:49,719 But sulfur crust cock are 1 of the 478 00:18:49,719 --> 00:18:52,696 animals that I would not hesitate in saying 479 00:18:53,075 --> 00:18:54,034 to the owner look, 480 00:18:55,472 --> 00:18:56,292 your beautiful 481 00:18:56,750 --> 00:18:57,150 cocky. 482 00:18:57,724 --> 00:19:00,695 Is very attached to you and feels very 483 00:19:00,833 --> 00:19:02,609 strongly about your proximity. 484 00:19:03,703 --> 00:19:05,696 And if you are happy if you trust 485 00:19:05,696 --> 00:19:05,936 me, 486 00:19:06,508 --> 00:19:07,939 I'll tell you exactly what I'm gonna do. 487 00:19:08,178 --> 00:19:10,006 I'm gonna gently wrap the bird in a 488 00:19:10,006 --> 00:19:12,709 towel to perform a physical exam. But if 489 00:19:12,709 --> 00:19:13,822 you trust me to do that, 490 00:19:14,713 --> 00:19:16,250 away from you. I think 491 00:19:16,707 --> 00:19:18,701 the bird will be more accepting over it. 492 00:19:18,861 --> 00:19:21,732 It will feel that it's got to stand 493 00:19:21,732 --> 00:19:23,726 up for itself and it'll feel that you 494 00:19:23,726 --> 00:19:24,180 as 495 00:19:24,696 --> 00:19:25,196 It's 496 00:19:25,650 --> 00:19:27,795 it's friend. It's flock mate. The person that 497 00:19:27,795 --> 00:19:29,862 lives with are gonna help are going to 498 00:19:29,862 --> 00:19:31,928 help it fight me off as I gently 499 00:19:31,928 --> 00:19:32,961 try wrap it in a towel. 500 00:19:33,855 --> 00:19:35,695 And it's a little bit less likely to 501 00:19:35,695 --> 00:19:38,414 be had grown upset if you guys are 502 00:19:38,414 --> 00:19:40,674 separated. So I would in in 503 00:19:40,989 --> 00:19:43,779 Most instances asked the client if they'd be 504 00:19:43,779 --> 00:19:45,931 happy with me taking the bird away from. 505 00:19:47,127 --> 00:19:48,902 Yep. The other thing I would do 506 00:19:49,293 --> 00:19:51,433 is considered taking a hit for the team, 507 00:19:51,592 --> 00:19:51,988 Brendan. 508 00:19:52,702 --> 00:19:54,604 So what I mean by this is that 509 00:19:54,604 --> 00:19:55,818 sulfur crust cock 510 00:19:57,477 --> 00:20:00,747 do what I call a test bite. And 511 00:20:00,747 --> 00:20:02,421 so if you stick your hand in the 512 00:20:02,421 --> 00:20:06,031 cage, they will lung at you with things 513 00:20:06,263 --> 00:20:08,169 and with a parent, fierce intent. 514 00:20:09,043 --> 00:20:10,155 But almost always, 515 00:20:10,553 --> 00:20:13,333 they're testing you. They're going. There they wanna 516 00:20:13,333 --> 00:20:15,001 see what you're going to do. Now if 517 00:20:15,001 --> 00:20:15,501 you 518 00:20:16,288 --> 00:20:16,788 rapidly 519 00:20:17,164 --> 00:20:19,495 withdraw your hand from the cage 520 00:20:20,029 --> 00:20:21,462 because they're gonna latch onto you. 521 00:20:22,577 --> 00:20:24,144 They know they've got you, and they're gonna 522 00:20:24,264 --> 00:20:27,127 keep doing that particular behavior repeatedly, 523 00:20:27,605 --> 00:20:30,627 and with more intent until they actually bite 524 00:20:30,627 --> 00:20:30,787 you. 525 00:20:31,438 --> 00:20:33,348 Whereas if you leave the back of your 526 00:20:33,348 --> 00:20:33,848 hand 527 00:20:34,303 --> 00:20:36,236 exposed to a sulfur crust car, 528 00:20:36,850 --> 00:20:39,101 and they bang on it with their beak 529 00:20:39,317 --> 00:20:40,431 and you don't move, 530 00:20:41,241 --> 00:20:43,865 then probably in my experience, 80 percent of 531 00:20:43,865 --> 00:20:46,408 the time, they will actually go well. That 532 00:20:46,408 --> 00:20:47,760 didn't work with Mark. So I'm not doing 533 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:48,316 that anymore. 534 00:20:48,969 --> 00:20:50,884 I'll just climb on his hand. I've had 535 00:20:50,884 --> 00:20:52,900 some wonderful experiences where 536 00:20:53,997 --> 00:20:56,471 people mistakenly think that I'm some sort of 537 00:20:56,471 --> 00:20:59,618 bird with bra because the bird will 538 00:21:00,315 --> 00:21:02,011 climb onto my hand after 539 00:21:02,707 --> 00:21:03,346 realizing that, 540 00:21:04,143 --> 00:21:06,137 pretending to bite isn't gonna work. The only 541 00:21:06,137 --> 00:21:08,698 downside of this Brendan. How many fingers do 542 00:21:08,698 --> 00:21:10,844 you have 80 on nature. Is that I 543 00:21:10,844 --> 00:21:13,069 need the send figure of these that 1 544 00:21:13,069 --> 00:21:15,056 5 times. You are gonna take a hit 545 00:21:15,056 --> 00:21:15,691 for the team. 546 00:21:16,183 --> 00:21:17,297 Which is where I started. 547 00:21:18,013 --> 00:21:18,967 But if you're careful, 548 00:21:19,922 --> 00:21:21,036 you won't lose any fingers. 549 00:21:23,199 --> 00:21:24,258 That is both 550 00:21:24,875 --> 00:21:26,413 inspiring and very scary 551 00:21:28,707 --> 00:21:29,106 but 552 00:21:29,585 --> 00:21:32,241 very interesting approach. They might. Number 4 553 00:21:32,951 --> 00:21:36,634 Number 4 is to never allow clients to 554 00:21:37,009 --> 00:21:39,396 enter the wedding room or the concert room 555 00:21:39,396 --> 00:21:41,723 with bare cock 2 on their shoulder or 556 00:21:41,723 --> 00:21:42,361 free roaming. 557 00:21:42,999 --> 00:21:44,116 This is an 558 00:21:45,073 --> 00:21:47,944 a thing that pirates are layout. Nope. 559 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:49,540 Hard. 560 00:21:50,193 --> 00:21:50,513 No. 561 00:21:51,471 --> 00:21:52,429 Because the birds, 562 00:21:54,185 --> 00:21:57,618 fact it's it's an interesting phenomenon. I think 563 00:21:57,618 --> 00:21:58,118 that 564 00:21:58,576 --> 00:21:59,236 the birds 565 00:21:59,629 --> 00:22:02,426 They don't have a clear view. They don't 566 00:22:02,426 --> 00:22:05,782 have as scientific and analytic view of humans 567 00:22:05,782 --> 00:22:06,741 as we have of them. 568 00:22:07,540 --> 00:22:08,100 To us, 569 00:22:08,674 --> 00:22:09,652 we are very 570 00:22:10,827 --> 00:22:11,327 lab, 571 00:22:12,023 --> 00:22:12,523 volatile 572 00:22:13,857 --> 00:22:17,069 perceptions of beans to the bird. So when 573 00:22:17,207 --> 00:22:17,707 we 574 00:22:18,417 --> 00:22:19,928 stick our hands in the hands, 575 00:22:20,565 --> 00:22:23,030 I think they literally separate those from the 576 00:22:23,030 --> 00:22:25,019 rest of us and think of them as 577 00:22:25,019 --> 00:22:26,394 predators hands. When 578 00:22:27,023 --> 00:22:27,523 they 579 00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:29,276 sit on our shoulder. 580 00:22:29,732 --> 00:22:32,122 They think they're up in a tree and 581 00:22:32,122 --> 00:22:35,002 the human they are with the third slash 582 00:22:35,002 --> 00:22:36,828 human they with is your head. 583 00:22:37,463 --> 00:22:39,606 They perch on your shoulder as if it 584 00:22:39,606 --> 00:22:41,217 was a branch, and they feel 585 00:22:42,081 --> 00:22:44,302 because they are up high because they are 586 00:22:44,302 --> 00:22:45,675 perched with their 587 00:22:46,524 --> 00:22:49,935 flock mate. They feel more confident and aggressive. 588 00:22:50,189 --> 00:22:52,096 And they are much more likely to, 589 00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:55,298 bite. They're much more likely to, 590 00:22:56,705 --> 00:23:00,214 be upset at any... Even minor inconvenience. 591 00:23:00,929 --> 00:23:03,867 That confidence that comes from just being on 592 00:23:03,867 --> 00:23:05,955 someone's shoulder can be very 593 00:23:07,216 --> 00:23:09,356 negative in terms of getting anything done in 594 00:23:09,356 --> 00:23:11,575 the concert room. So making sure that they 595 00:23:11,575 --> 00:23:13,026 are housed in a 596 00:23:13,715 --> 00:23:16,193 in a box saw a, a cage that 597 00:23:16,193 --> 00:23:19,056 some stout and make some feel protected. A 598 00:23:19,056 --> 00:23:20,726 cage that has big doors, 599 00:23:21,283 --> 00:23:22,396 I find works well. 600 00:23:23,286 --> 00:23:24,797 So that you can get in and out 601 00:23:24,797 --> 00:23:25,695 of it relatively 602 00:23:26,150 --> 00:23:29,013 easily and and you're not just sort of 603 00:23:29,013 --> 00:23:29,513 sticking 604 00:23:30,063 --> 00:23:32,054 your hand through a small door trying to 605 00:23:32,054 --> 00:23:33,885 get the bird out through a small door. 606 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,832 Yeah. Don't let them sit on your shoulder. 607 00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:37,708 That's my tip. 608 00:23:38,916 --> 00:23:41,934 And you also mentioned about in our show 609 00:23:41,934 --> 00:23:43,762 notes mark, free Roaming, 610 00:23:44,397 --> 00:23:45,135 I have 611 00:23:45,509 --> 00:23:47,433 I've mentioned it several times to you sent 612 00:23:47,433 --> 00:23:49,426 in the offer air. We have a a 613 00:23:49,426 --> 00:23:49,904 local... 614 00:23:50,702 --> 00:23:52,775 Let's call him a character that 615 00:23:53,253 --> 00:23:55,348 likes to parade up and down 616 00:23:56,138 --> 00:23:59,184 the local shopping center was a 617 00:23:59,638 --> 00:24:01,491 sulfur crest on a very 618 00:24:01,866 --> 00:24:02,843 thick rope 619 00:24:03,471 --> 00:24:06,096 that's heavy rope that's attached to a to 620 00:24:06,096 --> 00:24:08,561 a, you know, at at a leg ring. 621 00:24:08,958 --> 00:24:09,117 Yep. 622 00:24:09,833 --> 00:24:11,821 And it lets it wander up and down 623 00:24:11,821 --> 00:24:12,910 the the street 624 00:24:14,385 --> 00:24:16,459 It's a formula for trouble. And this one's 625 00:24:16,459 --> 00:24:19,011 a little bit the reverse I reckon, 626 00:24:19,569 --> 00:24:21,244 and it does happen in the waiting room 627 00:24:21,244 --> 00:24:22,041 just the same. 628 00:24:23,013 --> 00:24:23,513 That, 629 00:24:25,645 --> 00:24:27,799 I've had more than 1 time where, very 630 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:30,351 large dog has lung at a free roaming 631 00:24:30,351 --> 00:24:31,468 cock 2 and only. 632 00:24:32,026 --> 00:24:32,266 Yeah. 633 00:24:32,838 --> 00:24:35,384 Luck has prevented that poor bird being 634 00:24:36,577 --> 00:24:37,077 terminated. 635 00:24:37,929 --> 00:24:41,054 So so I think those free roaming birds 636 00:24:41,444 --> 00:24:42,979 that don't have the normal 637 00:24:43,673 --> 00:24:46,221 behaviors that don't recognize the normal things that 638 00:24:46,221 --> 00:24:46,960 are dangerous, 639 00:24:48,690 --> 00:24:49,907 and wandering around 640 00:24:50,218 --> 00:24:52,529 maybe restricted by a harness or a leg 641 00:24:52,529 --> 00:24:52,688 ring, 642 00:24:54,043 --> 00:24:56,354 particularly in a veterinary waiting room where there's 643 00:24:56,354 --> 00:24:59,222 anxious dogs and cats around. That's a formula 644 00:24:59,222 --> 00:25:01,009 for disaster and I I 645 00:25:01,382 --> 00:25:02,890 discourage it profoundly. 646 00:25:03,525 --> 00:25:03,763 Yep. 647 00:25:04,637 --> 00:25:06,065 So number 5 Mark? 648 00:25:07,732 --> 00:25:08,709 Yes. This is 649 00:25:09,335 --> 00:25:11,400 1 that over the years I've come to, 650 00:25:12,353 --> 00:25:16,086 think that there are some species, we we 651 00:25:16,086 --> 00:25:16,586 routinely 652 00:25:18,007 --> 00:25:19,777 defects our dogs and cats 653 00:25:20,705 --> 00:25:22,237 to provide them with, 654 00:25:23,166 --> 00:25:25,809 better captive life to remove the 655 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:26,619 the 656 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:27,640 complications, 657 00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:29,640 both health and, 658 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,700 behavioral that come with 659 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:33,580 reproductive 660 00:25:34,293 --> 00:25:36,286 hormones and reproductive cycles. 661 00:25:37,163 --> 00:25:41,011 And I think female sulfur crust cock fit 662 00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:45,138 into that category there likelihood of serious life 663 00:25:45,138 --> 00:25:47,041 affecting problems that comes about, 664 00:25:47,835 --> 00:25:48,231 from, 665 00:25:49,342 --> 00:25:50,232 cat ti, 666 00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:53,041 loan life of captive female bird 667 00:25:53,895 --> 00:25:54,794 is such 668 00:25:55,170 --> 00:25:57,103 that it's good to 669 00:25:58,116 --> 00:26:00,755 prevent it. If at all possible. Now we 670 00:26:00,755 --> 00:26:02,288 do use our 671 00:26:04,013 --> 00:26:04,513 gon 672 00:26:05,046 --> 00:26:05,546 agonist 673 00:26:06,492 --> 00:26:09,276 implants to to try and control this, but 674 00:26:09,276 --> 00:26:10,094 they're not 675 00:26:10,628 --> 00:26:12,719 great, And they do tend to 676 00:26:13,426 --> 00:26:15,910 you know, a cock is gonna live maybe 677 00:26:16,282 --> 00:26:17,155 50, 60. 678 00:26:17,711 --> 00:26:19,480 Occasionally, 80 or 90 years 679 00:26:20,585 --> 00:26:22,664 I often find that I start to run 680 00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:25,065 into trouble with those implants if I use 681 00:26:25,065 --> 00:26:27,144 them for, you know, 4 or 5 years. 682 00:26:27,384 --> 00:26:28,125 And so 683 00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:30,030 And by the time I do get to 684 00:26:30,030 --> 00:26:32,096 4 or 5 years, I've spent the amount 685 00:26:32,096 --> 00:26:32,914 of money 686 00:26:33,368 --> 00:26:35,990 on implants that I would have swore than 687 00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:37,523 I would have spent on a 688 00:26:38,393 --> 00:26:39,453 cell inject 689 00:26:39,831 --> 00:26:43,107 surgical procedure. And so much more frequently these 690 00:26:43,107 --> 00:26:46,468 days, I'm recommending to sulfur crust copper owners 691 00:26:46,468 --> 00:26:47,660 while their bird is healthy. 692 00:26:49,090 --> 00:26:52,689 Let's consider a d sex procedure eric reckon 693 00:26:52,746 --> 00:26:53,302 tip 5, 694 00:26:53,952 --> 00:26:56,649 d your female soul for Crest Cock two's. 695 00:26:58,473 --> 00:27:01,750 Well, Mark, some rapid fire advice for 696 00:27:02,059 --> 00:27:04,537 our sulfur crust cock twos, which 697 00:27:06,135 --> 00:27:07,813 can be a bit of a challenge can't 698 00:27:07,813 --> 00:27:10,311 they as far as I'm dealing with and 699 00:27:11,104 --> 00:27:11,663 as I 700 00:27:13,898 --> 00:27:15,973 made you spit out at some stage early 701 00:27:15,973 --> 00:27:18,448 on in the podcast, perhaps not a species 702 00:27:18,448 --> 00:27:19,725 that should be kept. 703 00:27:20,376 --> 00:27:22,203 As a regular pet. And unfortunately, here in 704 00:27:22,441 --> 00:27:24,983 Australia, certainly, there are there are species that 705 00:27:24,983 --> 00:27:25,721 are not 706 00:27:26,095 --> 00:27:28,716 are not expensive are they to purchase so 707 00:27:28,716 --> 00:27:29,533 they they 708 00:27:29,923 --> 00:27:31,117 they're AAA 709 00:27:31,117 --> 00:27:33,108 fairly commonly kept bird. Aren't they? 710 00:27:33,904 --> 00:27:36,770 Surprisingly common. And and I'm pleased to say 711 00:27:36,770 --> 00:27:37,589 that at least 712 00:27:38,140 --> 00:27:40,539 you know, a generation ago, they were kept 713 00:27:40,539 --> 00:27:41,279 in those 714 00:27:42,539 --> 00:27:44,080 very tiny square 715 00:27:44,779 --> 00:27:46,480 zinc zinc plated 716 00:27:47,191 --> 00:27:49,181 cocky, the so called cock cages. 717 00:27:50,215 --> 00:27:50,715 And 718 00:27:51,807 --> 00:27:53,875 you you know my feelings about those things 719 00:27:53,875 --> 00:27:55,705 they're akin to torture. 720 00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:59,148 As far as I'm concerned they they don't 721 00:27:59,148 --> 00:28:00,821 allow the birds to be birds in any 722 00:28:00,821 --> 00:28:01,937 way, shape or form. 723 00:28:03,372 --> 00:28:03,872 And 724 00:28:04,184 --> 00:28:06,744 Look, I think that certainly the attitude of 725 00:28:06,744 --> 00:28:09,005 many people that do have cock 726 00:28:09,785 --> 00:28:13,075 has changed over the the, the last few 727 00:28:13,075 --> 00:28:15,149 years, and they are looking for ways to 728 00:28:15,149 --> 00:28:17,780 enhance their quality of life. Look, I think 729 00:28:17,780 --> 00:28:20,173 if people have a choice, there are better 730 00:28:20,173 --> 00:28:21,071 pets to get 731 00:28:21,384 --> 00:28:24,260 for a captive life and than those large 732 00:28:24,260 --> 00:28:25,619 very intelligent birds. 733 00:28:26,338 --> 00:28:28,016 But I know that there are always going 734 00:28:28,016 --> 00:28:30,190 to be some in activity and trying to 735 00:28:30,190 --> 00:28:32,190 put these things in place to improve their 736 00:28:32,190 --> 00:28:34,109 quality of life is a good thing I 737 00:28:34,109 --> 00:28:34,430 reckon. 738 00:28:35,710 --> 00:28:37,970 Well, said, Mark, and 739 00:28:38,603 --> 00:28:42,192 Thank you for those 5 top tip tips 740 00:28:42,192 --> 00:28:43,628 concerning its sulfur requested copies, 741 00:28:44,984 --> 00:28:47,717 especially when you see them in the veterinary 742 00:28:47,855 --> 00:28:50,176 clinic there, Mark. Any final comments? 743 00:28:51,686 --> 00:28:51,924 No. 744 00:28:53,354 --> 00:28:54,864 We're out of here. Talk to you all 745 00:28:54,864 --> 00:28:56,073 next week. Thanks for listening. 746 00:29:03,736 --> 00:29:05,975 Thanks for listening to the Vet podcast by 747 00:29:05,975 --> 00:29:06,848 the Vet guru. 748 00:29:07,324 --> 00:29:08,832 Don't forget to visit us at the website. 749 00:29:08,991 --> 00:29:11,768 Vet guru dot com where you can subscribe, 750 00:29:12,086 --> 00:29:14,890 view show no listen to previous episodes and 751 00:29:14,890 --> 00:29:17,444 more. You can contact us via email and 752 00:29:17,444 --> 00:29:19,838 vet guru at gmail dot com to ask 753 00:29:19,838 --> 00:29:22,250 a question or just say hi. Thanks again, 754 00:29:22,490 --> 00:29:23,529 and see you next time.