Riley Bowman: And welcome to the Concealed Carry
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Riley Bowman: Today is Thursday, June 25th, 2026, as of this live recording.
Riley Bowman: I am your host, Riley Bowman, joined by co-host Jacob Paulson.
Jacob Paulsen: Howdy, howdy, howdy.
Riley Bowman: Howdy, howdy. We are glad to be with you. Kind of missed you last week.
Riley Bowman: A bunch of things going on and travel and, yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: It was a busy week.
Riley Bowman: It was a busy week. Uh, but, uh, uh, if you missed it, there's a episode that
Riley Bowman: is, should be published today or tomorrow, uh, to make up for our missing of last week's episode.
Riley Bowman: Uh, so look, look to catch that one. That'll be a good one.
Riley Bowman: It's actually a replay of a past, uh, 10, 10 years ago, actually episode 10
Riley Bowman: years ago, probably this week, actually, or close to it. Wowzers. Isn't that weird?
Riley Bowman: Yeah, 10 years ago we did a special episode where we talked about the history
Riley Bowman: leading up to the war for independence, particularly the gun control that was
Riley Bowman: one of the, you know, wasn't the only thing that kicked off the war.
Riley Bowman: It was a major spark. Yeah, definitely a spark. That's a good word for it, actually.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, certainly it's what caused the initial shots to be fired.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, Lexington and Concord, of course, what we're referring to.
Riley Bowman: Things going on around Boston area.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, kind of a big deal in our nation's history. And we kind of did a whole
Riley Bowman: deep dive into the history surrounding that, particularly from a gun control
Riley Bowman: perspective. And I thought, you know, I thought that was a pretty good episode.
Riley Bowman: And with now being kind of the 10-year anniversary of that episode and it not
Riley Bowman: being available in the podcast feed anymore.
Riley Bowman: And being that this is the 250th birthday of our nation, it's time to maybe bring that back.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, I have identified five
Jacob Paulsen: books that I am rereading between now and the end of July of this year in celebration
Jacob Paulsen: of the 250th anniversary. I've finished one of them already.
Jacob Paulsen: I started this about a week ago.
Riley Bowman: Wow. Good for you.
Jacob Paulsen: And I'm in the second one now. So I just finished 1776 by David McCullough.
Riley Bowman: Dude, that takes a while to get through.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah. I've read that book like three or four times. I used to read it every
Jacob Paulsen: July 4th. Well, I shouldn't say used to. I did that for like three or four years in a row. Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: And now it's been many years since I read it. So I just finished that book maybe two days ago.
Jacob Paulsen: So now I'm now I'm in the middle of Washington secret six, which is a really
Jacob Paulsen: fun read, though It's the least like
Jacob Paulsen: The authors are just, they're terrible at writing history. Like it's,
Jacob Paulsen: there's too much creative license.
Jacob Paulsen: But that said, the facts are all true.
Jacob Paulsen: It's just, they put in some narratives and things that are fictional to add
Jacob Paulsen: some drama to it. But anyway, fantastic read.
Jacob Paulsen: I'm probably getting close. Yeah, I'm probably two thirds through that book.
Jacob Paulsen: I started like three days ago.
Jacob Paulsen: So anyway, I'm also going to read American Creation, Revolutionary Summer,
Jacob Paulsen: and Washington's Crossing.
Jacob Paulsen: So I'm getting through all those.
Riley Bowman: I may need to take a peek at some of those myself. Yeah. Although,
Riley Bowman: boy, you telling me that you re-listened to 1776, I really enjoyed that book
Riley Bowman: immensely when I did the audiobook thing. Of course, that's pretty much how.
Jacob Paulsen: Me too. I'm listening to all this.
Riley Bowman: And I still think, I still call that reading books.
Jacob Paulsen: Me too. I don't distinguish.
Riley Bowman: But I did that a year or two ago and really enjoyed 1776.
Riley Bowman: I'm currently trying to finish the David McCullough biography on John Adams.
Jacob Paulsen: That's a thick book.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, it is.
Jacob Paulsen: I mean, 1776 is a small read in comparison.
Riley Bowman: I've been working on this one for a while, and I kind of fell by the wayside for a bit.
Jacob Paulsen: I've only read that once. That's been many years ago now. But I really enjoyed
Jacob Paulsen: the HBO series based on that book, which is weird to say that a series is based
Jacob Paulsen: on a book that is, in fact, a biography.
Jacob Paulsen: The series is just based on John Adams' life but I have that on DVD as well
Jacob Paulsen: and I've watched that more recently but it's fabulous I mean it's really good
Jacob Paulsen: big fan and a book that's similar that I really like in fact I prefer it for
Jacob Paulsen: people who want a shorter book is a book called First Family and it's about
Jacob Paulsen: John and Abigail and their family and so
Jacob Paulsen: you get a little bit more a little bit more dynamic beyond John himself but
Jacob Paulsen: it's a shorter read it's not nearly as
Jacob Paulsen: detailed as John Adams by David McCaw.
Riley Bowman: I've really enjoyed learning more about him.
Riley Bowman: And I know this would probably upset him a little bit, kind of the person he
Riley Bowman: was and his aspirations.
Riley Bowman: But he kind of seemed like he probably felt like, even if it was true or not
Riley Bowman: true, it was true at times and probably not as true at other times.
Riley Bowman: It felt like he was playing second fiddle a lot of times to other people,
Riley Bowman: including George Washington himself.
Jacob Paulsen: It's his own personal baggage. Yeah.
Riley Bowman: And so that is true, though. That's kind of, you know, we think about George
Riley Bowman: Washington. and we're like yeah and then there's that John Adams guy and yes
Riley Bowman: he was the first vice president and like,
Riley Bowman: You know, and the second president, and he's just sort of...
Jacob Paulsen: No, but he had a complex about this, right? Like, his dying words were exclaiming
Jacob Paulsen: that Jefferson still lives.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, right.
Jacob Paulsen: Like, he was upset that he didn't outlive Thomas Jefferson. Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: You know, they were the last two signers of the Declaration alive when they
Jacob Paulsen: passed. And they passed on the same day within hours of each other.
Jacob Paulsen: Right. But that's, yeah, that's how heavy that baggage, that personal complex
Jacob Paulsen: was. Like, I'm dying and that guy is still alive.
Riley Bowman: Yeah exactly you know so that's what i mean is like we tend to not know as much
Riley Bowman: about him as we probably should
Riley Bowman: and so i have enjoyed getting to know him a bit better very principled fellow
Riley Bowman: he is very principled i agree he may not have been the most likable fellow uh for a lot of people
Riley Bowman: but uh he was there's definitely one thing you could say about him and is he
Riley Bowman: he knew his principles and he stood by them absolutely very.
Jacob Paulsen: Weird father too as far as like parenting goes It was like he turned out one incredible human.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: And the rest of it's a bit of a domestic disaster.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: But John Quincy Adams was arguably one of the best presidents we've ever had.
Jacob Paulsen: I mean, just an amazing human.
Riley Bowman: I mean, you're right about that as far as – I mean, it's fascinating to get
Riley Bowman: to know him as well too through this as a youngster and being – accompanying
Riley Bowman: his dad overseas to France, to the Netherlands,
Riley Bowman: to England, all over the place.
Jacob Paulsen: I read a biography about him specifically. I'm going to look it up while you're talking.
Riley Bowman: He got a heck of an education for a young man at an early age.
Riley Bowman: And we should probably move on from this, get on to the episode.
Riley Bowman: But it's been fun to kind of just talk about it for a minute.
Riley Bowman: And, of course, you know, in light of our approaching 250th nation's birthday,
Riley Bowman: I think this is all appropriate.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, here it is. It was just called John Quincy Adams by Harlow Giles Unger.
Jacob Paulsen: Junger? I don't know. Fantastic.
Jacob Paulsen: Fantastic. Yeah. I mean, this is a guy who...
Jacob Paulsen: Watched The the the cannon go up on Dorchester Heights. Yeah from his from his
Jacob Paulsen: hometown. Yeah, so yeah, like he
Riley Bowman: Was there what he watched He really watched the creation of this nation.
Riley Bowman: Yes through the eyes of a youngster up through a team Yeah, he was a goal to
Riley Bowman: ultimately being the president right yeah being involved in Diplo diplomacy
Riley Bowman: with the French and overseas.
Jacob Paulsen: And he like his political failings were tied to the fact that he just wanted
Jacob Paulsen: to do what was right and not align with the political party.
Jacob Paulsen: He was really our last president who didn't just say, screw it.
Jacob Paulsen: Just tell me what the party line is. Right.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's been... Anyway, thanks for bringing up some of the books
Riley Bowman: you read and that's what I'm up to.
Riley Bowman: I hope to finish that maybe in the next week or so which would be just in time
Riley Bowman: for Independence Day. And yeah, it's been good.
Riley Bowman: Well, we got a little off track there, but hopefully through that,
Riley Bowman: some of you can kind of see where our mind is at.
Riley Bowman: And maybe there's some recommendations that you can take from that as well to,
Riley Bowman: hey, go check out some of those books. They're great books.
Jacob Paulsen: I think my message would be, what are you doing this year to up your Independence Day game?
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah like whatever your normal July 4th like you know plan is for your family
Jacob Paulsen: take it up a notch yeah that's what's going on in the Paulson households right
Jacob Paulsen: now is like how do we take this up a level yeah
Riley Bowman: And not just in terms of the amount of money we spend on fireworks.
Jacob Paulsen: Oh, I don't spend any money on fireworks. Yeah, I know.
Riley Bowman: I'm talking about some families.
Jacob Paulsen: Sure, sure, sure. I mean, if that's what you got to do, if that's how you do
Jacob Paulsen: it, that's fine. Yeah, no, true. But that's the point. Like,
Jacob Paulsen: don't make it another July 4th. Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: I was not yet born on the 200th anniversary, and I will probably be dead on the 300th.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: So this is the big one in my lifetime.
Riley Bowman: I hope to live to make that one, but we'll see. It's true. We probably will be dead.
Jacob Paulsen: This is the big one.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Speaking of America, the World Cup, have you seen some of the news and
Riley Bowman: stuff about foreigners coming here for World Cup games?
Jacob Paulsen: Oh, all sorts of craziness.
Riley Bowman: And how they're just like, wow, America's awesome.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, there's been several. So there's the whole ranch dressing drama.
Jacob Paulsen: Oh, yeah, yeah. Some people lose their minds about ranch dressing.
Jacob Paulsen: And then there's this tweet that's gone viral, like crazy viral.
Jacob Paulsen: It's something like the most looked at tweet in like three years or something.
Jacob Paulsen: It's basically a guy exclaiming how the local Chili's restaurant gave him free chips and salsa.
Jacob Paulsen: Without any evidence he could pay the bill yet.
Jacob Paulsen: Yep. Like the honor. Free chips and salsa. The honor. I think he was from Japan,
Jacob Paulsen: so you would relate to this. but you know like that the america would just assume
Jacob Paulsen: such the such honor people yeah
Riley Bowman: You know yeah yeah free free drink refills i mean people have been you know
Riley Bowman: of course people have been discovering bucky's and walmart and i mean yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: So welcome welcome it's
Riley Bowman: Been fun to see,
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Riley Bowman: There you go. Let's get into today's episode. It's a legislative updates episode this time, Jacob.
Riley Bowman: And we've got a number of pretty interesting stories, including some breaking
Riley Bowman: news, which I'm not going to spill all the beans just yet on that. But stay tuned.
Riley Bowman: As of when I was doing preparation for this episode, some news has changed,
Riley Bowman: meaning that the Supreme Court
Riley Bowman: has just announced as of a couple of hours ago, another major ruling.
Riley Bowman: So we'll cover that as well today. So stay tuned for that.
Riley Bowman: But first, we're going to lead off with a story about how the Supreme Court ruled on the U.S.
Riley Bowman: Versus Himani case, which is a very interesting case. And I'll tell you,
Riley Bowman: there were some people who were like, why this case? Because it's a case littered with all kinds of,
Riley Bowman: dirt. It's a dirty case. It's not the ideal. It's not a Bruin, for instance.
Jacob Paulsen: No, it's not setting some big precedent.
Riley Bowman: It's not McDonald's. It's not Heller.
Jacob Paulsen: I mean, it sort of stirs the drink a little bit, but it doesn't clear up a lot.
Riley Bowman: And that's really what I want to talk about today is what the Himani case really,
Riley Bowman: what this ruling really is about.
Riley Bowman: It's kind of a big deal, but also kind of not a big deal. So Jacob,
Riley Bowman: I mean, you wrote an article on the site about this. You guys can see it on
Riley Bowman: concealedcarry.com about marijuana and gun rights so what's the deal with him on a case.
Jacob Paulsen: So the background is this guy basically um is under suspicion of stuff and he
Jacob Paulsen: submits to a search so he you know allows for a search to take place at his
Jacob Paulsen: residence and that search turns up some marijuana as well as a gun among other things
Jacob Paulsen: and so you know charges are filed because hey you can't be in possession of
Jacob Paulsen: this drug uh you know that's at a federal level you know a drug this the fbi
Jacob Paulsen: conducting right the search right as well as a gun like that's though you know
Jacob Paulsen: that's a no go so we're going to charge you with possession you know blah blah blah
Riley Bowman: I think he even specifically like told agents when asked that he used marijuana every other day.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah yeah
Riley Bowman: I mean there's there's a lesson right there and far as you know like.
Jacob Paulsen: Don't submit to searches don't admit anything kind of thing talk
Riley Bowman: To an attorney.
Jacob Paulsen: Kind of thing he's got an attorney now i can tell you that Yeah,
Jacob Paulsen: yeah, yeah, his attorneys are all over this.
Jacob Paulsen: So I always find it, okay, sorry, that's, that's a side note.
Jacob Paulsen: So, so anyway, long story short,
Jacob Paulsen: you know, he appeals this, this, this, these charges, this conviction,
Jacob Paulsen: it goes up through a number of courts to basically all uphold it until it gets
Jacob Paulsen: the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court says, no.
Jacob Paulsen: And their ruling is relatively narrow.
Jacob Paulsen: Their ruling is not, you can smoke weed, it's fine. And the ruling is not,
Jacob Paulsen: you can have marijuana and a gun, that's fine.
Jacob Paulsen: That's not the ruling. The decision, as it's written, is basically
Jacob Paulsen: that the state, the prosecutor, whatever you want to call it,
Jacob Paulsen: they failed to demonstrably show that the use of marijuana made this man a danger.
Jacob Paulsen: And therefore that stands up to the Bruin standard to take away his rights.
Jacob Paulsen: Let me word this in a different way.
Jacob Paulsen: And it's funny because sometimes I think the Supreme Court, they only care about
Jacob Paulsen: the Bruin decision when it's convenient, and other times they seem to ignore it.
Jacob Paulsen: But in short, basically what the decision says is the standard that allows you
Jacob Paulsen: to take away someone's Second Amendment rights is pretty high.
Jacob Paulsen: There's a couple of ways to take away someone's rights. None of them are easy,
Jacob Paulsen: and that's the point of Bruin. One of them is sort of this historical thing
Jacob Paulsen: like, hey, you have to show that there's some historical analog for this.
Jacob Paulsen: But another way you can have your rights taken away, your Second Amendment rights,
Jacob Paulsen: is if you're demonstrably dangerous.
Jacob Paulsen: You having a gun is a dangerous thing. And the courts in this case,
Jacob Paulsen: the prosecutors, for lack of a better word, they were going with both of those.
Jacob Paulsen: They were saying, well, historically, drunkards were a problem.
Jacob Paulsen: There's some historical tradition of not allowing drunkards to have a gun. How is that different?
Jacob Paulsen: And they were also taking the angle of possession of a class whatever drug is
Jacob Paulsen: inherently makes you a danger to yourself or others.
Jacob Paulsen: And so the Supreme Court basically looked at both of those and said,
Jacob Paulsen: first off, this historical analogy about drunkards is silly on its surface.
Jacob Paulsen: Don't waste our time. And then secondly, the occasional or regular use of marijuana
Jacob Paulsen: does not demonstrably show that someone is a danger to themselves or others,
Jacob Paulsen: and therefore that is insufficient to take away their second member rights.
Jacob Paulsen: So this does not remove the drug or marijuana question from the 4473.
Jacob Paulsen: This does not change federal law.
Jacob Paulsen: This simply says that in this case, this dude's use of marijuana did not in
Jacob Paulsen: any way demonstrably show he was dangerous to himself or others.
Jacob Paulsen: And therefore, that doesn't meet the standard to remove his Second Amendment rights.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Right. And so it is important to understand that, you know,
Riley Bowman: that distinction there of, you,
Riley Bowman: the laws still stand you know 18 us code 922 g3 which is what the statute that
Riley Bowman: this falls under is that still it like that has been unaffected,
Riley Bowman: um the form 4473 is still a thing the question will likely still remain although
Riley Bowman: i mean the atf at any time the trump administration could change that um but the the question as,
Riley Bowman: as right now still remains and the question is basically you know Are you an unlawful user,
Riley Bowman: of marijuana or other illicit drugs?
Riley Bowman: And so you still need to, when filling out that form, fill it out truthfully if you're not going.
Jacob Paulsen: To lie on the form as a
Riley Bowman: Felony. Right, right. Which, by the way, is one of the charges that Hunter Biden
Riley Bowman: was convicted under was lying on the 4473 when he purchased his gun back in 2018.
Riley Bowman: He was also convicted of being a habitual, or I can't remember the exact word
Riley Bowman: that was used, but he was also convicted for the use of drugs and having a drug
Riley Bowman: problem while also owning and possessing a gun.
Riley Bowman: But he was, I think the bigger thing was that he lied specifically on that form.
Riley Bowman: So that's still a thing is my point.
Riley Bowman: And so you're going to want to, as far as how this affects you or any of us,
Riley Bowman: is probably talk to an attorney that understands the laws for your particular
Riley Bowman: jurisdiction, the state or whatever that you live in,
Riley Bowman: as far as how it is appropriate to answer questions like what's found on the 4473.
Jacob Paulsen: If you live in a state where you can buy guns privately without a 4473,
Jacob Paulsen: that's probably a better plan.
Jacob Paulsen: Assuming you're, I mean, for all of us, let alone someone who's medicinally
Jacob Paulsen: or recreationally using marijuana.
Riley Bowman: But it would seem to also suggest, though, that, and nothing's a for sure thing
Riley Bowman: here is kind of a point, but that if you are an occasional user of things like
Riley Bowman: marijuana and also a gun owner,
Riley Bowman: I think this makes it a lot more difficult for you to get charged. Yes.
Jacob Paulsen: Well, and one of the things that came up in the decision as it was written,
Jacob Paulsen: and this is an anonymous ruling by the Supreme Court, though not all of them
Jacob Paulsen: agreed for the same reasons.
Riley Bowman: Unanimous. I think you said anonymous.
Jacob Paulsen: Oh, I said anonymous? Unanimous.
Riley Bowman: Which was pretty notable.
Jacob Paulsen: Unfortunately, not anonymous. We know who they are.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: But it was unanimous. Thank you. But not for the same reasons.
Jacob Paulsen: Is X number of judges agreed with this decision, and then the other three still
Jacob Paulsen: agreed with the decision, but for these other reasons.
Jacob Paulsen: So if you read the majority decision as it's written, the other thing that they
Jacob Paulsen: mention is that if this drug, if marijuana is the kind of thing that makes people
Jacob Paulsen: so dangerous, then why did the federal government recently change its classification
Jacob Paulsen: from whatever type?
Jacob Paulsen: Schedule 1 to Schedule 3. So that also came up in the decision,
Jacob Paulsen: and I think that's relevant.
Riley Bowman: Very much so. Yeah, we have a comment there from somebody asking something about Biden.
Riley Bowman: I think you're trying to say was acquitted of these charges,
Riley Bowman: but I think what you may mean is he was convicted of those charges,
Riley Bowman: but then later pardoned by conveniently his father. But anyway.
Jacob Paulsen: Works out really well when your dad can pardon you. Yeah.
Riley Bowman: So anyway, there you go. That's the Himani ruling. So if you have questions
Riley Bowman: about that, talk to our attorney because we can't be your attorneys for you.
Riley Bowman: So let's go now to the next one here, Jacob. This was actually a story from
Riley Bowman: The Reload, which is a great blog.
Riley Bowman: I've referenced that. We've referenced it on the podcast a few times over the years as well.
Riley Bowman: Basically kind of a summary over a number of cases that are going before the
Riley Bowman: Supreme Court and being denied or whatever.
Riley Bowman: Because what recently happened was the Supreme Court declined to take on two
Riley Bowman: New York cases. Now, to be clear, both of these cases were in the preliminary injunction phase.
Riley Bowman: So it was one of those things where, like one of them, by the way,
Riley Bowman: is dealing with the New York gun carry training requirements.
Riley Bowman: The other one had to do with gun industry liability, which are both things that
Riley Bowman: New York has tried to make stricter.
Riley Bowman: Or in the case of gun industry liability, they've tried to make it,
Riley Bowman: they passed a law, basically provides a route for people to sue gun makers for,
Riley Bowman: And, of course, that shouldn't be the case under federal law. Right.
Jacob Paulsen: Well, just like marijuana shouldn't be legal under federal law. Right.
Riley Bowman: And so both of those cases is the sort of thing where,
Riley Bowman: the folks arguing those cases, the plaintiffs were trying to get preliminary
Riley Bowman: injunctions and trying to get the Supreme Court to,
Riley Bowman: put a stop on the enforcement or implementation of those laws before,
Riley Bowman: you know, so that while they work their way through the court.
Riley Bowman: Through the court system. And instead, the Supreme Court, which by the way,
Riley Bowman: this is nothing particularly surprising for the Supreme Court.
Riley Bowman: They're usually pretty careful about enforcing or putting in place preliminary
Riley Bowman: injunctions or allowing them to stand,
Riley Bowman: and getting themselves inserted into cases before they actually make their way
Riley Bowman: through the system through all the different procedures, if you will.
Riley Bowman: And so in this case, neither of those cases were accepted by the Supreme Court
Riley Bowman: to hear them on the merits of those preliminary injunctions.
Riley Bowman: They just send them back down to those lower courts to do their thing.
Riley Bowman: But then it also in this article talks about how there's a number of other cases
Riley Bowman: that are basically sitting on the docket, so to speak.
Riley Bowman: There's 25 other, well, let's see. Simultaneously, it says the Supreme Court
Riley Bowman: accepted four new Second Amendment challenges and relisted 25 others.
Riley Bowman: In other words, there's 29 Second Amendment cases now pending in the Supreme Court in their books.
Riley Bowman: That's pretty interesting. It's a pretty big deal. We know that, go ahead.
Jacob Paulsen: In context, I don't know how many cases total are pending with the Supreme Court,
Jacob Paulsen: but the Supreme Court has got a massive docket.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah. And I think that's part of the context that you have to take,
Jacob Paulsen: and that's exactly kind of what you're building up to, is this idea that,
Jacob Paulsen: yeah, they can't take them all.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: So for them to deny this or deny that one is not the end of the world.
Jacob Paulsen: I also think that there's a hierarchy here in the pro-gun world.
Jacob Paulsen: Rights battle versus the anti-gun rights battle.
Jacob Paulsen: And what I mean by a hierarchy is like we generally want to focus on the biggest fish to fry.
Jacob Paulsen: So I'm less concerned, and I think that the gun rights community generally is
Jacob Paulsen: less concerned that some states require some amount of training in order to
Jacob Paulsen: obtain a concealed carry permit or potentially a gun permit.
Jacob Paulsen: We can come back to that one in a minute.
Jacob Paulsen: Than I am that states are making my AR-15 outright illegal.
Jacob Paulsen: So it's sort of like, okay, where are we going to focus our time?
Jacob Paulsen: I'm more concerned that 18-, 19-,
Jacob Paulsen: and 20-year-olds don't have full Second Amendment rights in some states.
Jacob Paulsen: So I think that you see that too from the Supreme Court side is they have to
Jacob Paulsen: look at all the things coming before them and sort of say,
Jacob Paulsen: what are the battles that we're – what are the most important things for us
Jacob Paulsen: to settle, to sort through, to deal with, And one of the things that are sort
Jacob Paulsen: of like, eh, maybe down the road we can come back to that, but right now it
Jacob Paulsen: just is not, like that's a small fish.
Riley Bowman: Yep. Yeah, and to give, you know, to kind of build off further what you were
Riley Bowman: just explaining, some of the bigger fish that we're talking about here.
Riley Bowman: You know, included in these 29 cases that are currently sitting within the Supreme
Riley Bowman: Court's docket, so to speak, is our cases that are dealing with semi-automatic
Riley Bowman: firearms and rifles, particularly like AR-15 style rifles,
Riley Bowman: magazine capacity limitations.
Riley Bowman: Those are probably the two really big ones.
Jacob Paulsen: Several of both of those.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, several, several. And so, and those are, I would also say, bigger fish.
Riley Bowman: These are really, really landmark type cases if they make their way through
Riley Bowman: the full Supreme Court process, having a hearing, arguments,
Riley Bowman: all of that, and eventually a ruling.
Riley Bowman: I mean, Justice Kavanaugh, we know a year or so ago, indicated,
Riley Bowman: that, hey, we anticipate, or he anticipates at least, that the Supreme Court
Riley Bowman: would be addressing the AR-15 matter soon, like in the next term or two, which is a big deal.
Riley Bowman: So I think that's what we're talking about here is the Supreme Court has to
Riley Bowman: be a little picky and choosy about what they go after, what they accept,
Riley Bowman: what they're going to actually take on.
Riley Bowman: And there's some really big things that they have already agreed to hear.
Jacob Paulsen: And them saying no to take on a case does not in any way mean that another case
Jacob Paulsen: with similar fact pattern or question couldn't come later. Right.
Riley Bowman: Or is that these cases they denied to take a look at right now won't eventually end up there anyway.
Riley Bowman: Because again these were just preliminary injunctions they were asked to review,
Riley Bowman: right uh not not the actual you know not even hearing the the the whole case
Riley Bowman: the merits of the case you know just like yeah so uh these cases very likely could still end up there,
Riley Bowman: agreed so anyway there you go just a little bit of an update on kind of the
Riley Bowman: supreme court watch if you want to call it that and uh they've got a lot going
Riley Bowman: on there and hopefully you know we see some more things,
Riley Bowman: Big news. We teased this a little bit ago. Also referenced in this article is
Riley Bowman: the Wolford versus Lopez case.
Riley Bowman: This is the one out of Hawaii that is sometimes referred to as the vampire rule,
Riley Bowman: which for those that don't understand, essentially the vampire rule is it like
Riley Bowman: reverses the default of what we think of as concealed carry.
Riley Bowman: So for pretty much most of us, we think that, okay, I'm going to assume,
Riley Bowman: you know, we don't want to be careful with assumptions, but I am going to assume
Riley Bowman: I can carry my gun pretty much anywhere unless it's explicitly,
Riley Bowman: you know, prohibited, okay?
Riley Bowman: So by state to state to state or sometimes smaller jurisdictions than that,
Riley Bowman: but government office buildings or this or that, whatever, right?
Riley Bowman: So I'm going to assume I can carry it anywhere other than those prohibited places.
Riley Bowman: And places like businesses, for instance, private businesses that post or say,
Riley Bowman: hey, I don't want guns here kind of thing.
Riley Bowman: Like, I will assume I can carry into a place of business unless they tell me
Riley Bowman: otherwise, right? That's like the normal default.
Riley Bowman: And in Hawaii, they flipped that completely around where the default became
Riley Bowman: with their new law that, oh, you cannot carry,
Riley Bowman: on any private property, in any business location, anything, unless they explicitly,
Riley Bowman: give you the permission to do so.
Jacob Paulsen: Right.
Riley Bowman: Right.
Jacob Paulsen: Right and super awkward
Riley Bowman: It basically makes it impossible.
Jacob Paulsen: To carry it's it's terrible anywhere it's terrible i i it's terrible for us
Jacob Paulsen: from our perspective right as gun owners and gun right people because um i i
Jacob Paulsen: think of it true like in terms of like business and corporate decisions like if you're
Jacob Paulsen: walmart yep you know you're kroger foods you're i don't care it's sunglasses hut
Jacob Paulsen: and you have retail locations all over the place
Jacob Paulsen: excluding this hawaii drama then you basically had the choice to just be neutral
Jacob Paulsen: right like we're just going to be neutral yep like we're not like just leave
Jacob Paulsen: us out of this like and that was good business sense for me like to me
Jacob Paulsen: my perspective is like that's the right move like you have you have nothing
Jacob Paulsen: to do with this gun debate you're a company that sells a product so stay out
Jacob Paulsen: of it yep but hawaii is now going is basically flipped us around but the burden like
Jacob Paulsen: you can't be neutral We've removed your neutrality.
Jacob Paulsen: We've made you anti. If you want to be pro-gun, come out and say it.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, you have to take a stance. Yeah. You've got to post it or whatever, right? Yeah.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, that's what Hawaii did. Okay, so as of the preparation that we did earlier
Riley Bowman: for the podcast today, we knew that that Olford versus Lopez case was pending
Riley Bowman: and was expecting to be ruled upon at any time.
Riley Bowman: And that came through as of just a few hours ago.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah.
Riley Bowman: And in a 6-3 ruling, the Supreme Court has rejected that law.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, they said that's unconstitutional. I can't do that.
Jacob Paulsen: Which makes absolute sense. That's the right call. I mean, the fact that there's
Jacob Paulsen: three dissenters, I would love to see their dissenting opinion.
Jacob Paulsen: It's like, how do you justify thinking that this could be constitutional? Like,
Jacob Paulsen: what possible perspective could you think that someone's Second Amendment right,
Jacob Paulsen: right, straight from the Bill of Rights, is default off unless somebody says
Jacob Paulsen: you can have it? Like, that's crazy.
Jacob Paulsen: So yeah this is this was i think this was one of those rulings that sort of felt like
Jacob Paulsen: obvious like yeah like this one should go this way like i mean what the ar-15
Jacob Paulsen: thing i we all have some bias because of our level of knowledge or education
Jacob Paulsen: and obviously our pro-gun leanings
Jacob Paulsen: but this vampire rule is like crazy stuff it's like what how do you get away with this
Jacob Paulsen: so they're not getting away with it anymore
Riley Bowman: It's done yep there you go there you have it so that's exciting breaking news
Riley Bowman: as of just a couple hours ago so very very,
Riley Bowman: cool to see that ruling from the supreme court because again that just effectively
Riley Bowman: removes your ability to really carry anywhere except for like on a public an actual public.
Jacob Paulsen: Street sure sure yeah but otherwise forget it yep there's no world walmart's
Jacob Paulsen: gonna go put up a bunch of guns welcome here yeah yeah exactly
Riley Bowman: Another interesting story, another interesting restriction out of California
Riley Bowman: this time, Contra Costa County.
Riley Bowman: Oh, geez. Jacob, give us a lowdown on this one. This was, again,
Riley Bowman: another article that you published to the site recently.
Riley Bowman: When I saw this, I'm like, what?
Jacob Paulsen: This is the epitome of ignorance. And this is one of those things that I didn't even know was going on.
Jacob Paulsen: Sometimes I think of myself as being highly informed.
Jacob Paulsen: I'm like, this is concealed carry stuff. Like this is my job.
Jacob Paulsen: This is what I do for a living. I know what all the different states are doing.
Jacob Paulsen: I know all the things, man.
Jacob Paulsen: And then you see something like this and you're like, how long has this been going on?
Jacob Paulsen: How did I not know about this? Like what the crap? So here's the deal.
Jacob Paulsen: This one county in California, Contra Costa. I don't even know how to pronounce it.
Jacob Paulsen: Contra Costa County. I don't even know where it is.
Riley Bowman: Contra Costa, Contra Costa.
Jacob Paulsen: Anyway, there's some county in California with this name.
Riley Bowman: I had never heard of it until this.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, I Googled it when I wrote this article. I'm like, where is this county?
Jacob Paulsen: Anyway, in that county, they have imposed some rules regulating concealed carry
Jacob Paulsen: permits that anyone listening to this podcast, this is going to blow your mind.
Jacob Paulsen: They, one, do not allow pistol-mounted optics.
Jacob Paulsen: I'm not kidding. like you you go to get a concealed carry permit in that county
Jacob Paulsen: and they will tell you like piss no no carry optics yeah like not like if you
Jacob Paulsen: if we you if we find out you put an optic on your pistol
Jacob Paulsen: it invalidates your permit like crazy stuff like hardcore ignorance but i'm not done
Jacob Paulsen: this is crazy um second weapon mounted lights or lasers
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, you can't put a, like, we don't want you to see what you're shooting at.
Jacob Paulsen: Like, I don't know. How do you justify that? Like, I cannot wrap my mind around
Jacob Paulsen: what even the most ignorant person would be thinking to say you can't put a light on your gun.
Jacob Paulsen: I got nothing. And maybe they think that, like, I don't know. I can't even.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, but that's not it. There's a third one.
Jacob Paulsen: No single action only trigger guns yeah so
Jacob Paulsen: that would make most of us just basically say no 1911s or 2011 uh type guns
Jacob Paulsen: nothing nothing single action only
Jacob Paulsen: so like that gun that you know conquered the world for like 50 years from you
Jacob Paulsen: know put your hand on your heart and say john moses browning
Jacob Paulsen: That would not be allowed to carry with your permit in that county.
Jacob Paulsen: And here's the real irony.
Jacob Paulsen: Remember that in California, like many states, including our state,
Jacob Paulsen: the permits are issued at the county level, but they're statewide permits.
Jacob Paulsen: So if you got your permit from Placer County, see how I did that?
Jacob Paulsen: I just came up with a county in California.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, and it's one, I know.
Jacob Paulsen: From Yuma County. There's another one. If you got your permit from that county
Jacob Paulsen: and you drove into Contra Costa County with your pistol-optic weapon-mounted
Jacob Paulsen: light 1911, that'd be perfectly fine. They can't stop you.
Jacob Paulsen: But if you live in this county, then you're not allowed to carry that gun or
Jacob Paulsen: these accessories on your gun because that's the county's policy.
Jacob Paulsen: So someone decided it's time to sue these boys over this one.
Riley Bowman: Contra Costa County, by the way, is basically the northeast suburbs of San Francisco.
Jacob Paulsen: Okay, this is a Bay Area county.
Riley Bowman: You're like, okay, it still doesn't make sense, but you're like, okay.
Jacob Paulsen: I cannot matter this. This is truly one of those things. There's some things,
Jacob Paulsen: I'll give you an example. There's a state that basically prohibits body armor.
Jacob Paulsen: And that's one of those things where it's like, clearly you're just ignorant.
Jacob Paulsen: Not allowing suppressors. It's like, you're just ignorant.
Jacob Paulsen: You clearly don't actually understand. You must think that someone can put on
Jacob Paulsen: body armor and just run around and get shot and it won't even faze them.
Jacob Paulsen: They'll just keep committing acts of violence. You know nothing.
Jacob Paulsen: And same thing with the suppressor. You must think that bad guys are going to
Jacob Paulsen: put suppressors on guns and run around and silently murder everybody.
Jacob Paulsen: You're just ignorant. But how do you justify saying no pistol mounted optics
Jacob Paulsen: or weapon mounted lights? I got nothing.
Jacob Paulsen: I cannot even imagine what you're thinking.
Riley Bowman: I would like to hear more on that for sure. I mean, like you're talking about
Riley Bowman: in the case of optics on a gun,
Riley Bowman: Literally something that helps you aim better with true target focus,
Riley Bowman: which means we're talking about fewer mistake-of-fact shootings.
Riley Bowman: If you don't know what I mean, you're able to focus on your threat,
Riley Bowman: see exactly who they are, what they're doing, what they have in their hands
Riley Bowman: or in their pockets or whatever.
Riley Bowman: Like a device that allows you to aim your gun where you can maintain that level
Riley Bowman: of visual focus and acuity on your target is is an optic on a pistol okay the
Riley Bowman: second thing the lights on a gun,
Riley Bowman: i mean it could be debated how efficacious a weapon mounted light on a civilian
Riley Bowman: pistol is like how because,
Riley Bowman: you might be thinking okay well it allows me to identify my target well i probably
Riley Bowman: should have I already identified before I pointed a gun at them.
Riley Bowman: So I got a handheld light probably involved too.
Riley Bowman: But regardless, it's still a
Riley Bowman: viable tool that has a purpose and in no way makes the gun more dangerous.
Jacob Paulsen: It only makes it safer.
Riley Bowman: Right.
Jacob Paulsen: It's only conceivable application makes the gun safer.
Riley Bowman: Now the 1911 or single action, you know, trigger thing,
Riley Bowman: this one, I think it actually, here's what i want and i don't know this for
Riley Bowman: a fact but i can see this a little bit where this sheriff for whatever reason
Riley Bowman: because this is coming from the sheriff or the sheriff's office and so most
Riley Bowman: likely has the sheriff's support and it's probably his idea in the first place,
Riley Bowman: I could see a person making the argument that, well, these are single action
Riley Bowman: triggers that are real short, real light, and I'm just concerned that people
Riley Bowman: are going to accidentally pull a trigger where they don't mean to.
Jacob Paulsen: Yes, I agree. This is one where it's like, okay, I can get behind your – I can
Jacob Paulsen: understand your ignorance. I can't get behind the decision, but I can understand your ignorance.
Jacob Paulsen: I can't get there with the optics of the lights. I don't understand what ignorance
Jacob Paulsen: leads you to believe this makes sense.
Jacob Paulsen: But yes, the single action triggers, I can understand your ignorance.
Riley Bowman: It's still dumb, but... Anyway, so the news story here, in case I don't know
Riley Bowman: if we actually mentioned it specifically, the Second Amendment Foundation,
Riley Bowman: along with a plaintiff, actually two plaintiffs that they're representing,
Riley Bowman: two Contra Costa County residents with permits, they have filed a lawsuit in the U.S.
Riley Bowman: District Court for the Northern District of California, suing the county for,
Riley Bowman: these terrible policies.
Riley Bowman: That's probably not going to be a very friendly court. them.
Riley Bowman: But that's the way these things start. We've got to file a lawsuit.
Riley Bowman: If that comes back and is not overturned, then they'll take it to the next level, I presume.
Riley Bowman: But that's essentially what's going on. The Second Amendment Foundation,
Riley Bowman: thankfully, has gotten involved and has filed this lawsuit because these are
Riley Bowman: really stupid laws or policies.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, I just can't. I'm at a loss.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, same. Like I said, when I first came across this, I was like, what?
Riley Bowman: I never imagined I'd see that. You know, so wild, wild sauce, man.
Riley Bowman: Let's go to Michigan now.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, yeah, Michigan.
Riley Bowman: Another lawsuit being filed. This time, actually, the primary plaintiff is,
Riley Bowman: there are several organizations involved. The NRA is leading the charge here.
Jacob Paulsen: They're the national player.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, yeah. You got several Michigan state-level gun rights organizations that are also involved.
Riley Bowman: This is going after Michigan's license to purchase program, if you will.
Riley Bowman: So, this requires anybody without a Michigan concealed permit license to obtain,
Riley Bowman: a permit before buying, possessing, carrying, or transporting any pistol.
Riley Bowman: Now, apparently, this was a law put in place in 1927.
Jacob Paulsen: Another one. This is another one I honestly had no idea about. I was like, what?
Jacob Paulsen: Michigan? Like, you know, I think there's something we're really familiar with.
Jacob Paulsen: We're really familiar with, like, Illinois' FOID card.
Jacob Paulsen: That's just, I don't know, for whatever reason, just seems to come up often
Jacob Paulsen: enough that I have great familiarity.
Jacob Paulsen: And there's some other states that have some permits to purchase things.
Jacob Paulsen: And we've seen new ones come on board recently. And even our own state on August
Jacob Paulsen: 1st is imposing a permit to purchase thing for certain firearms,
Jacob Paulsen: not all guns, but some guns.
Jacob Paulsen: So, yes, I was unfamiliar with this 1927-era Michigan thing,
Jacob Paulsen: but it is what it sounds like.
Jacob Paulsen: If want by gun, must first get this permit that allows you to be able to go buy the gun.
Jacob Paulsen: The lawsuit basically just says this is – I guess it's challenging two things.
Jacob Paulsen: The first thing is that it's sort of like it's just redundant.
Jacob Paulsen: When I buy a gun, they run a background check anyway. So why do I need to have
Jacob Paulsen: a background check in order to go get a background check? It's just redundant.
Jacob Paulsen: But more relevant, I think, and if you read into kind of what's happened to
Jacob Paulsen: the – I think there's three or four plaintiffs, humans, not organizations,
Jacob Paulsen: but humans that are on this lawsuit, is what I'll call county-level discretion problems.
Jacob Paulsen: So these are the examples I read from these plaintiffs are situations where
Jacob Paulsen: they went in to get the permit to be able to then go and shop and buy a gun,
Jacob Paulsen: and they were denied the permit for various, I would call them discretionary reasons.
Jacob Paulsen: One where it's sort of like they didn't tell me why, they just said no.
Jacob Paulsen: Another one where it's like they think that I'm somebody who's been denied it in other counties.
Jacob Paulsen: They don't have any reason for themselves why I shouldn't get this permit,
Jacob Paulsen: but they are under the impression that other counties have denied me the permit.
Jacob Paulsen: Therefore, they won't give me one.
Jacob Paulsen: Things like that were just like, what's going on here?
Jacob Paulsen: So seemingly ridiculous reasons people are being denied their Second Amendment rights.
Riley Bowman: A couple of the specific examples, some of the plaintiffs named in this lawsuit.
Riley Bowman: One was denied by his county despite passing an FBI Knicks background check.
Riley Bowman: One was turned away before he, apparently he could even apply. That's ridiculous.
Riley Bowman: And another, a third person was denied on, it's just as probable cause.
Riley Bowman: So for whatever reason, the county just decided, you know, they don't,
Riley Bowman: they don't like him. This is how I read that.
Riley Bowman: And so, yeah, the, the, the, the, the challenge here is that this,
Riley Bowman: and really, and it also talks about how there's no real problem.
Riley Bowman: Means of, you know, pursuing a recourse.
Jacob Paulsen: And there's no way to appeal.
Riley Bowman: Of having an appeal, right? So the county's just like, nope,
Riley Bowman: sorry, we're not going to give you that permit so you can go buy a gun. And you're like, well.
Jacob Paulsen: Now what?
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Right? Yep.
Jacob Paulsen: And so. Yeah, well, there was one that he'd applied in his county and he was
Jacob Paulsen: told no. So then he went to apply in a different county and was rejected because
Jacob Paulsen: that's not the county he lives in.
Jacob Paulsen: Like, it's sort of like, what are my options here? Like, how do I get a gun?
Jacob Paulsen: Like, this is my constitutional right and there's no legal pathway for me to exercise it.
Riley Bowman: The FBI says I can have one.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah. What's the issue there?
Riley Bowman: Right? Yeah, it's pretty wild stuff. And like we both said, this was news to
Riley Bowman: both of us that this kind of thing even existed in Michigan.
Riley Bowman: Apparently, if you have a concealed pistol license in Michigan,
Riley Bowman: that means the requirement, that's automatically your permit.
Jacob Paulsen: If you will. You can now buy a gun.
Riley Bowman: Right? And that probably includes a lot of people, people we would know, for instance.
Riley Bowman: And it's like, I know, in fact, I taught a class in Michigan a few years back.
Riley Bowman: And I would imagine every person in that class had a permit.
Riley Bowman: And so in their world, this probably is something that doesn't really come up.
Jacob Paulsen: Becomes a non-issue once you have a permit.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. But for those that don't, if your county just, for whatever reason,
Riley Bowman: just tells you, sorry, tough beans.
Jacob Paulsen: Michigan is going to lose this one.
Riley Bowman: Oh, for sure.
Jacob Paulsen: Like, I will eat my shirt. There's no way this stands up to constitutional scrutiny. This is insane.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Yeah.
Riley Bowman: So we'll have to keep an eye on that one. This one's obviously going to have
Riley Bowman: to go through the court system.
Jacob Paulsen: Hopefully it sets a nice big precedent for other states that are dealing with
Jacob Paulsen: permit to purchase kind of systems. Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: And very selfishly, here in Colorado, we're about to have a law go into effect
Jacob Paulsen: to create a permit to purchase an AR-15.
Jacob Paulsen: And it'd be really nice if we get some court cases that say AR-15s can't be
Jacob Paulsen: banned and permit to purchase schemes are unconstitutional. So that would be great for me.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Final story comes out of Virginia.
Riley Bowman: This is a big deal, of course. Virginians, I know, are well acquainted with what's going on there.
Riley Bowman: And probably many of you as well, even if you don't live in Virginia,
Riley Bowman: because it's gotten a lot of news.
Riley Bowman: But just so you know, guys, that the law there that bans the sale,
Riley Bowman: manufacture, import, purchase, and transfer of, quote-unquote,
Riley Bowman: assault firearms in magazines over 15-round capacity goes into effect in just a few days.
Riley Bowman: Perhaps right around the time that this actually publishes to the podcast feed, this episode.
Riley Bowman: But, you know, we're recording this on June 25th, so you got less than a week.
Riley Bowman: Like six days from today, as of recording of this, this law goes into effect.
Riley Bowman: And so a lot of challenges are going forward on this already.
Riley Bowman: In fact, a friend of ours, John Crump, is involved in one of those out of Lancaster County.
Riley Bowman: Crump v. Katz. Another Katz is, I think, the Attorney General for Virginia.
Riley Bowman: So all of these are plaintiff versus Katz, Santola versus Katz, Curtis v.
Riley Bowman: Katz, McDonnell v. Katz, Black v. Hook. I'm not sure about that one,
Riley Bowman: but all challenging this on various grounds in a lot of different ways now.
Riley Bowman: And there's apparently a three-judge panel at the Supreme Court,
Riley Bowman: the Virginia Supreme Court, that is weighing consolidation.
Riley Bowman: Because there's so many of these cases hitting all at once. And so what the
Riley Bowman: court's like, well, hey, let's consolidate these if we can, because that is
Riley Bowman: just a better and more efficient way of moving forward.
Riley Bowman: But that is still apparently being, you know, that's in the works.
Jacob Paulsen: I think, yeah, what I take from this is there's sort of like a procedural problem
Jacob Paulsen: that's preventing an injunction from being a possibility before the law goes
Jacob Paulsen: into effect. Is that how I read it?
Riley Bowman: That's essentially what I read as well. It's probably one of those things where
Riley Bowman: it's like everybody and their dog got involved in wanting to challenge the law.
Riley Bowman: And so all these cases hit the courts like that.
Riley Bowman: And like great kudos to you guys that are you know that are fighting this fight,
Riley Bowman: but there's so many cases that the courts are like this
Riley Bowman: is too much we need to look at consolidation and so this three judge panel the
Riley Bowman: supreme court it's like we're going to try to consolidate these but that takes
Riley Bowman: time and so unfortunately now we're out of time to try to get an injunction
Riley Bowman: in place before this goes into effect in less than a week yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: There is some good news the silver lining is that this law even in its full
Jacob Paulsen: grand terribleness, does have a grandfather clause.
Jacob Paulsen: So it's not like on July 1st your existing rifles and magazines are criminal to possess.
Jacob Paulsen: It's only about new acquisitions. So while it's looking like there's not going
Jacob Paulsen: to be an injunction before this law can go into effect, hopefully an injunction comes soon.
Jacob Paulsen: And in the meantime, no one's being rendered an immediate criminal.
Jacob Paulsen: It's just blocking new acquisition and hopefully that's short lived
Riley Bowman: Virginia, of course, is a part of the Fourth Circuit, the federal courts,
Riley Bowman: which is not a particularly two-way friendly circuit.
Riley Bowman: So, you know, chances are I see this potentially, you know, getting overturned
Riley Bowman: or being a part of future efforts that the Supreme Court's already,
Riley Bowman: you know, undertaking to potentially overturn laws like this one.
Riley Bowman: But it's not going to happen in time for, I think, I mean, before this law goes into effect.
Riley Bowman: And so I'm sorry, Virginians, you are in a tough spot there.
Riley Bowman: We feel your pain. You know, we're dealing with some similar things.
Riley Bowman: And we've had a 15-round magazine capacity limit in Colorado ourselves for over a decade now.
Riley Bowman: And so, yeah, there you go. That's the latest update on what's going on out of Virginia. Yeah.
Riley Bowman: So, lots of, basically, you know, I think the summary of everything we're basically
Riley Bowman: talking about here today is just how important it is that we have the makeup
Riley Bowman: of the Supreme Court that we currently do.
Riley Bowman: It's probably the most favorable Supreme Court in the history of Supreme Courts
Riley Bowman: that I can think of as far as the Second Amendment is concerned.
Jacob Paulsen: By far.
Riley Bowman: And, and they've got a lot, a lot of work to do and very important work and
Riley Bowman: hopefully comes down on the side of the Second Amendment as we see it for the rights of everybody.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, the last decade has been really important to new Supreme Court justices.
Jacob Paulsen: And the influence that they're having now in the last five or so years,
Jacob Paulsen: starting with Bruin and now some of these other things happening, is critical as well.
Jacob Paulsen: And it's not all sunshine and puppies and roses. There's been a couple of little
Jacob Paulsen: setbacks from my perspective as a pro-gun rights person.
Jacob Paulsen: But I think all around we're getting the big stuff right at the U.S.
Jacob Paulsen: Supreme Court as it relates to guns and now it's just it's a waiting game and
Jacob Paulsen: you've heard us say this over and over again on this podcast over and over again
Jacob Paulsen: that the the game has moved like the battle is no longer being fought in the
Jacob Paulsen: legislature like remember our legislative updates like you go back 10 years
Jacob Paulsen: ago in our podcast our legislative updates were about all the laws that were
Jacob Paulsen: being proposed and passed and going into effect.
Jacob Paulsen: And now the majority of our legislative updates are about lawsuits that are
Jacob Paulsen: being filed and decided in courts.
Jacob Paulsen: That's where the battle game is now. And so stay tuned.
Jacob Paulsen: And I think it's important to support these organizations who,
Jacob Paulsen: you know, it takes money for these organizations to file these lawsuits and follow them through.
Jacob Paulsen: So if you're looking to support, you know, the Second Amendment Foundation was
Jacob Paulsen: mentioned today. The NRA was mentioned today.
Jacob Paulsen: The Firearms Policy Coalition is doing really good things. Gun Owners of America
Jacob Paulsen: is doing really good things.
Jacob Paulsen: Those are four organizations that are filing lawsuits and following them through in the courts.
Jacob Paulsen: And so anyway, a little endorsement for under your own conscience,
Jacob Paulsen: you know, and your own money. Like if you wanted to support an organization,
Jacob Paulsen: those four are good candidates. Yep.
Riley Bowman: I think that's well summarized and well said. So,
Riley Bowman: those are kind of the big things we're keeping an eye on right now.
Riley Bowman: And we'll, of course, continue to keep an eye on things moving forward and keep you updated.
Riley Bowman: We'll try to do a legislative updates episode about once a month,
Riley Bowman: as we have typically done in the past. And keep an eye on concealedcarry.com.
Riley Bowman: I've been publishing regularly. Jacob's been doing a great job with this,
Riley Bowman: publishing regularly some updates in this regard in the form of blog posts on concealedcarry.com.
Riley Bowman: And so that's not a good place to keep an eye on things.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. With that though, it's almost our nation's birthday and I'm super excited. I'm excited.
Riley Bowman: This is a big deal. I'm actually kind of sad in a way, you know,
Riley Bowman: my son's out of country right now on a church mission and he's missing it.
Riley Bowman: He's missing this historical 250th, you know, birthday.
Jacob Paulsen: That is sad. That is sad.
Riley Bowman: But he's having a good time, by the way.
Jacob Paulsen: Though he is in Brazil during World Cup.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: So that's pretty epic too. That is pretty epic.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Yeah. And he's, he's getting the full Brazilian, you know,
Riley Bowman: world cup experience for sure. Too bad.
Jacob Paulsen: They're not doing better.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. I think he's already purchased,
Riley Bowman: that i know of at least four different like jerseys yeah yeah tropically more.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah they're gonna they'll they'll paint the streets green i mean it's no joke
Jacob Paulsen: that's that's that's more than religion
Riley Bowman: There when brazil assuming they yeah as you mentioned they're not probably doing
Riley Bowman: as well as not their best years as they would like uh things may get a little crazy too down there.
Jacob Paulsen: Better for him to stay
Riley Bowman: Inside i'm actually thankful he's in a smaller uh town right now as opposed to like,
Riley Bowman: you know one of the bigger cities he's definitely you know he's not he's not
Riley Bowman: in rio de janeiro but he's not very far from rio but he won't be any you know
Riley Bowman: he won't be in rio or anything when you know when things kick off
Riley Bowman: yeah yeah i should say win or lose because if they win things go crazy if they
Riley Bowman: lose things will be crazy right yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: It's uh serious yeah serious it's more than religion
Riley Bowman: Yeah but anyway happy birthday america we anticipate doing one more episode
Riley Bowman: before the official birthday of our nation.
Riley Bowman: And I actually hope to record that next week and publish next week on Friday,
Riley Bowman: the 3rd of July. I think it would be good to drop that just in time for the 4th.
Riley Bowman: But still, we'll wish you guys all well and wish America a happy birthday.
Riley Bowman: We'll get another opportunity next week. And until next time,
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