WEBVTT 00:00:15.603 --> 00:00:16.663 And welcome to the Concealed Carry 00:00:16.663 --> 00:00:20.823 Podcast, part of the ConcealedCarry.com network, brought to you by HK. 00:00:22.043 --> 00:00:27.423 Today is Friday, May 29th, 2026, as of the recording of this live episode, 00:00:27.423 --> 00:00:32.463 and I am your host, Riley Bowman, joined today by co-host and president of Concealed 00:00:32.463 --> 00:00:34.383 Carry, Inc., Jacob Paulson. 00:00:35.263 --> 00:00:36.043 Howdy, howdy. 00:00:37.063 --> 00:00:39.523 With a classic Wyoming howdy. 00:00:41.843 --> 00:00:48.683 Glad to be with you all. We've got a packed episode for you today going over 00:00:48.683 --> 00:00:53.883 a number of legislative updates from the federal level and also from around 00:00:53.883 --> 00:00:57.383 the country and a number of states that have things to report on. 00:00:57.603 --> 00:01:03.223 The truth is there's lots of things we could report on and cannot get to at 00:01:03.223 --> 00:01:05.823 all because of how much there typically is. 00:01:05.823 --> 00:01:10.823 So we try to hit the big things, the biggest bang for your buck, 00:01:10.963 --> 00:01:15.103 so to speak, or sometimes the biggest damage for your literal buck, 00:01:15.263 --> 00:01:20.783 your tax dollars going to work, passing all manner of legislation. 00:01:22.417 --> 00:01:25.197 Well, in some cases, it's good, but we don't have as much good news, 00:01:25.277 --> 00:01:27.617 unfortunately, today as probably some bad news. 00:01:27.797 --> 00:01:32.777 The big news is that apparently it is time for the Glock Wars, Jacob. 00:01:34.997 --> 00:01:41.017 So the new tactic seems to be that states are specifically going after Glocks. 00:01:41.897 --> 00:01:46.197 Probably no surprise there, but it is kind of an interesting tactic and an interesting 00:01:46.197 --> 00:01:50.937 approach, including some of the verbiage that is used to identify said firearm. 00:01:51.797 --> 00:01:58.097 So we'll break that down for you here in a bit. We also got some great stories for you all. 00:01:58.457 --> 00:02:04.877 We'll be talking about some news right here in Colorado, which is impacting 00:02:04.877 --> 00:02:10.617 us here, Jacob and myself, and our business location here in Colorado. 00:02:11.257 --> 00:02:15.357 There's some interesting developments there. and some things on the federal 00:02:15.357 --> 00:02:22.437 level, as I mentioned before as well, including another lawsuit about carrying 00:02:22.437 --> 00:02:25.617 a firearm on post office grounds. 00:02:26.697 --> 00:02:30.457 So it'll be interesting to see how that all develops. 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Actually, you authored this one on concealedcarry.com website. 00:05:00.300 --> 00:05:05.540 And this is an update on the Colorado State or Senate Bill 3, 00:05:05.540 --> 00:05:08.680 which is quite interesting. 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.460 It's actually passed last year, right? 00:05:12.080 --> 00:05:12.360 Correct. 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:21.160 It's taken all this time until just like a couple weeks ago to get somewhere with it, it seems. 00:05:21.660 --> 00:05:27.500 Well, I mean, in their defense, the law doesn't go into effect until August 1st, 22nd, 26th. 00:05:27.500 --> 00:05:31.960 So there's only so much rush to figure out what the law means and how it's going 00:05:31.960 --> 00:05:38.820 to be applied when it's signed into law basically like a year and four months 00:05:38.820 --> 00:05:40.220 before it has to go into effect. 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:44.980 Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those things, though, where for a long time we've been 00:05:44.980 --> 00:05:49.320 sitting here wondering, okay, what firearms is it going to affect? Right. 00:05:49.440 --> 00:05:53.900 So in case you're not familiar, what we're talking about here is the bill, 00:05:54.140 --> 00:06:02.060 like I said, passed last year, that is it creates a a semi-automatic firearm 00:06:02.060 --> 00:06:05.540 category that is going to require 00:06:05.540 --> 00:06:11.760 Colorado residents to then go through training to obtain a license, 00:06:12.140 --> 00:06:14.720 I guess, or permit or whatever. 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:19.860 I don't remember the verbiage that's used to then be able to go and purchase a, 00:06:20.816 --> 00:06:23.756 those semi-automatic firearms that are on this list or 00:06:23.756 --> 00:06:26.456 in this category and for the longest time we 00:06:26.456 --> 00:06:32.436 didn't even know officially what would be in that category i guess we still 00:06:32.436 --> 00:06:35.616 don't even know officially because what was just released a couple weeks ago 00:06:35.616 --> 00:06:41.056 is the draft list but it becomes quite apparent once you see it i mean we suspected 00:06:41.056 --> 00:06:44.996 this but there was still this like okay are. 00:06:46.316 --> 00:06:49.556 Pistols for instance or certain pistols and i'm not just talking about like 00:06:49.556 --> 00:06:53.696 ar pistols but like handguns included in this, because the way the law was written 00:06:53.696 --> 00:06:56.656 and passed left some ambiguity. 00:06:57.376 --> 00:07:06.176 But anyway, it does seem to be more geared towards AR-15 variant firearms, AK-47 and the like. 00:07:06.676 --> 00:07:10.656 So again, you authored the article, the update on our website, 00:07:10.756 --> 00:07:12.256 Jacob. What's the skinny on this? 00:07:13.291 --> 00:07:16.751 Well, for those who are not in Colorado, I think the high-level understanding 00:07:16.751 --> 00:07:21.871 that you need to understand and take away from this is that the term that those 00:07:21.871 --> 00:07:26.651 of us in the community are using to describe this type of legislation is permit to purchase. 00:07:27.051 --> 00:07:32.291 So instead of an outright ban on a certain type of gun or category of gun or 00:07:32.291 --> 00:07:37.931 firearms, what this is is an attempt to say, hey, no, we're not banning anything. 00:07:37.931 --> 00:07:41.371 You can still buy this stuff, and you can still own it if you already got it. 00:07:41.371 --> 00:07:46.951 But in order to buy these particular guns, whatever falls into the list, 00:07:47.131 --> 00:07:49.251 you have to get a permit to do that. 00:07:49.311 --> 00:07:52.991 And that permit's going to have some hoops to jump through, including background 00:07:52.991 --> 00:07:56.571 checks and taking a training class and all that kind of stuff. 00:07:56.731 --> 00:08:01.071 So that's the high level, like what this really is. And Colorado is not the 00:08:01.071 --> 00:08:04.391 first state to do a permit to purchase type program. 00:08:04.611 --> 00:08:08.651 I think it's probably the most robust we've seen so far. But, 00:08:08.671 --> 00:08:14.071 you know, Illinois has a FOID card, which is similar in theory, 00:08:14.331 --> 00:08:16.251 though demonstrably different as well. 00:08:16.411 --> 00:08:20.391 And I think that we'll see more states do this. I think that this is going to 00:08:20.391 --> 00:08:26.891 be a common anti-gun template for the country because 00:08:27.551 --> 00:08:32.391 it's much harder to challenge its constitutionality because it's not banning. 00:08:33.366 --> 00:08:37.206 It's really easy to challenge, and I think that in the next probably nine months 00:08:37.206 --> 00:08:38.606 or so, we're going to see the U.S. 00:08:38.786 --> 00:08:42.106 Supreme Court rule on AR-15s and that 00:08:42.106 --> 00:08:45.246 they can't be banned, that they're constitutionally protected firearms. 00:08:45.386 --> 00:08:47.666 I think that's inevitable at this point. 00:08:47.866 --> 00:08:52.306 But coming back to this, this is not a ban. So if you're going to challenge 00:08:52.306 --> 00:08:57.206 the constitutionality of this, you're basically saying that the burden is too 00:08:57.206 --> 00:08:59.946 high, that it's too difficult for, 00:09:00.286 --> 00:09:05.506 you know, it's unreasonably difficult to go through the process to be able to 00:09:05.506 --> 00:09:09.706 obtain the gun, the constitutionally protected firearm. 00:09:09.946 --> 00:09:13.446 And that argument is something we made here in Colorado. What we've learned 00:09:13.446 --> 00:09:15.166 is that this is what this is going to look like. 00:09:15.626 --> 00:09:18.606 First, you'll have to go to a website and set up a user account. 00:09:18.606 --> 00:09:22.126 And when you set up that user account, it will attempt to identify if you've 00:09:22.126 --> 00:09:24.306 ever taken a hunter safety course before. 00:09:24.686 --> 00:09:27.446 If you've taken a hunter safety course in Colorado, in theory, 00:09:27.546 --> 00:09:28.746 then it would be able to identify that. 00:09:28.926 --> 00:09:32.546 If you've taken a hunter safety class in a different state, it may not know that. 00:09:32.606 --> 00:09:38.466 You might have to then walk down to Colorado Parks and Wildlife offices and 00:09:38.466 --> 00:09:41.466 say, hey, see here, I took hunter safety when I lived in Alabama. 00:09:41.706 --> 00:09:45.266 Please add that to the system. Then they would add that to the system in theory. 00:09:45.266 --> 00:09:48.786 And then you'd go back to your computer at home, log in to the user account 00:09:48.786 --> 00:09:52.066 again, verify that that's there or not. 00:09:52.486 --> 00:09:55.166 Regardless, if you do or don't have Hunter Safety, you would then print off 00:09:55.166 --> 00:09:57.806 a thing that you would take to the sheriff's office and you'd say, 00:09:57.866 --> 00:10:00.886 hey, I set up the user account in the place. See, see? 00:10:01.306 --> 00:10:05.006 And the sheriff's office would then take the… 00:10:05.612 --> 00:10:10.272 The next step. Now, the next step, though, is a little bit complicated because 00:10:10.272 --> 00:10:14.232 what we're learning is that when you get to that sheriff's office, 00:10:14.332 --> 00:10:16.992 in addition to having the piece of paper that says you set up the user account 00:10:16.992 --> 00:10:19.492 on this new website that currently doesn't exist today, 00:10:20.352 --> 00:10:22.832 You'll also have to present a background check. 00:10:22.952 --> 00:10:25.912 And it's really unclear where you're going to get this background check. 00:10:26.072 --> 00:10:29.052 I mean, you're walking into a building that traditionally does background checks. 00:10:29.212 --> 00:10:31.592 So you would think that the sheriff's office could perform that. 00:10:31.692 --> 00:10:34.852 And maybe they end up In the end, they will end up doing that starting on August 00:10:34.852 --> 00:10:36.192 1st. But today it's unclear. 00:10:36.612 --> 00:10:39.032 Today what we know is that you're supposed to show up at the sheriff's office 00:10:39.432 --> 00:10:42.512 with the paper that says you set up the user account on the website and with 00:10:42.512 --> 00:10:44.752 a background check that's been performed by somebody somewhere. 00:10:44.812 --> 00:10:46.112 I don't know what that would look like. 00:10:47.252 --> 00:10:50.152 Probably not the kind of thing that you would pull on an employee to see if 00:10:50.152 --> 00:10:51.452 they've been convicted of a felony, though. 00:10:51.972 --> 00:10:55.232 It'd have to be a criminal background check. So anyway, that's confusing. 00:10:55.372 --> 00:10:58.372 But somehow you get to the sheriff's office, the background check is performed 00:10:58.372 --> 00:11:01.312 by somebody, and you've set up this user account on this website. 00:11:01.312 --> 00:11:06.532 The sheriff then reviews that, verifies that, yeah, all this checks out, 00:11:06.672 --> 00:11:11.212 like we're good here, like nobody's screwed up, nobody's done anything wrong. 00:11:12.612 --> 00:11:16.172 They either are conducting the background check or they're verifying the background 00:11:16.172 --> 00:11:18.572 check that you're producing, I guess, one of those two things. 00:11:18.572 --> 00:11:28.812 And then they provide you with a class eligibility thing, card thing. 00:11:28.812 --> 00:11:32.592 I don't know if it's physical or if it just goes into the same website database thingy. 00:11:33.012 --> 00:11:34.832 Colorado Parks and Wildlife is very excited about the database. 00:11:35.292 --> 00:11:40.312 So they verify that you did all the things, you passed the background check, 00:11:40.432 --> 00:11:44.392 and they say, yeah, you are now officially hereby eligible to go take a class. 00:11:44.392 --> 00:11:48.312 And if you do have, in fact, some sort of... 00:11:50.945 --> 00:11:56.145 Hunter safety on your record, then that's good news for you. 00:11:56.385 --> 00:12:00.625 You can just take the basic course, which is going to be at least four hours. 00:12:01.105 --> 00:12:04.885 However, if you've never taken hunter safety before, then you have to take the 00:12:04.885 --> 00:12:08.925 extended course, which is 12 hours long. 00:12:09.345 --> 00:12:13.685 Once you've taken that course, then your instructor who taught you the course, 00:12:13.805 --> 00:12:17.025 which is some private person like me or Riley, then they enter 00:12:17.025 --> 00:12:20.625 that into the database yep this person passed the course they 00:12:20.625 --> 00:12:23.265 have to do that within some number of days i think they have 00:12:23.265 --> 00:12:27.405 like seven days to do that but until they do that you can't go buy a gun once 00:12:27.405 --> 00:12:31.265 the instructor enters this stuff manually into this database confirming that 00:12:31.265 --> 00:12:35.745 the student completed the class then you can go to a gun store and the local 00:12:35.745 --> 00:12:39.705 gun store the ffl they have to have access to that database they have to log 00:12:39.705 --> 00:12:42.145 in and say oh yes jacob paulson this guy. 00:12:42.265 --> 00:12:45.645 Yeah, he passed the class. We can sell him one of these guns. 00:12:45.865 --> 00:12:48.665 So that's the kind of burden we're talking about. 00:12:48.965 --> 00:12:52.405 And for me, it's absolutely unconstitutional. 00:12:52.625 --> 00:12:55.685 It's utterly ridiculous and stupid. Of course, I think background checks are 00:12:55.685 --> 00:13:00.725 already arguably unconstitutional, but this is 10 steps past that. 00:13:01.565 --> 00:13:06.705 So that's the kind of thing that's going on here. And that's what it looks like. 00:13:06.845 --> 00:13:09.945 Why is this relevant? Why are we talking about it to a national audience? 00:13:10.225 --> 00:13:16.325 Well, because I think it's important for you to hear what states like Colorado, 00:13:16.665 --> 00:13:19.845 California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, Virginia, 00:13:20.405 --> 00:13:24.765 Connecticut, and so on and so forth, what they're up to, because this is the 00:13:24.765 --> 00:13:26.805 stuff that's coming down the pike. 00:13:27.605 --> 00:13:30.885 One day you may very well find this in your backyard. 00:13:31.085 --> 00:13:35.125 I know you may be in, you know, name your red state and think, 00:13:35.225 --> 00:13:37.825 well, we're red state. this will never happen here. Guess what? 00:13:38.065 --> 00:13:43.725 I wouldn't have guessed when I moved to Colorado in 2009 that this sort of thing would happen here. 00:13:45.231 --> 00:13:49.471 So things change quickly. Politics, unfortunately, can change quickly. 00:13:49.891 --> 00:13:55.451 You get the wrong people in power, the wrong organizations, 00:13:55.951 --> 00:14:00.791 the wrong political organizations making big mistakes like what's happened here 00:14:00.791 --> 00:14:05.131 in Colorado historically in the last decade and a half or so. 00:14:05.331 --> 00:14:13.591 And before you know it, I'm not trying to pick sides here as far as political parties go. 00:14:14.211 --> 00:14:18.611 But before you know it, the party that's friendly to the Second Amendment is 00:14:18.611 --> 00:14:21.151 no longer anywhere close to being in power. 00:14:21.331 --> 00:14:28.731 And you end up with stuff like this. The complicated mess that this system is, is the punishment. 00:14:29.251 --> 00:14:34.731 And that's what is unfortunately problematic for us, you know, 00:14:34.731 --> 00:14:36.051 that are going to have to deal with this. 00:14:36.051 --> 00:14:41.251 And to your point, Jacob, you're like, oh, you know, you don't have high hopes 00:14:41.251 --> 00:14:47.711 for the Supreme Court making some landmark ruling in the relatively near future, 00:14:47.931 --> 00:14:55.711 meaning the next couple of years, that clarifies and overturns permit purchase schemes like this. 00:14:58.031 --> 00:15:06.651 And that's unfortunate because we have rights, and I know that the argument 00:15:06.651 --> 00:15:10.111 can be made by the other side, well, you have a means to obtain, 00:15:11.140 --> 00:15:18.600 And practice said right, but it's so onerous and complicated and messy that 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:23.260 it strips effectively away the right from people that aren't going to go through 00:15:23.260 --> 00:15:27.260 the process or do not have the money to go through that process. 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:31.300 So anyway, we should probably move on. 00:15:31.760 --> 00:15:35.000 Well, you know, I'll just quickly add that we see similar things relative to 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:36.600 getting a concealed handgun permit, right? 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:40.960 Post Bruins, you have several states who are like, oh, I guess we have to create 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:44.360 illegal means via which someone can obtain a concealed carry permit, 00:15:44.460 --> 00:15:47.600 but they can still make that means highly complex. 00:15:47.800 --> 00:15:49.720 And we've seen lawsuits on that. 00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:55.140 We've seen successful lawsuits against states who have made it too onerous to 00:15:55.140 --> 00:15:56.340 obtain a concealed carry permit. 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:02.300 So I do think long term, that's viable for these kinds of permit to purchase schemes. 00:16:03.180 --> 00:16:06.580 But I think in the short term we're not going to see that victory 00:16:07.629 --> 00:16:11.229 We have a story later in today's episode out of Maryland, actually, 00:16:11.389 --> 00:16:16.929 of a lawsuit against, because the next step for a lot of these states is, 00:16:17.009 --> 00:16:18.349 okay, we'll have a process in place. 00:16:18.349 --> 00:16:21.909 We'll make that process difficult. And we'll also then create sensitive places, 00:16:22.669 --> 00:16:26.629 quote unquote, sensitive places, to make it as difficult as possible for a person 00:16:26.629 --> 00:16:28.969 to actually exercise that right to carry. 00:16:29.509 --> 00:16:32.609 And so we'll get to that one. That's out of Maryland here in a bit. 00:16:33.029 --> 00:16:36.889 Let's move to New York. We talked about, kind of teased in the opener, 00:16:37.229 --> 00:16:40.769 that it is all about the Glock Wars, it seems, all of a sudden. 00:16:40.929 --> 00:16:47.609 I mean, this kind of came out of, I don't know if I'd say out of nowhere exactly, but it is interesting. 00:16:48.269 --> 00:16:53.289 It just, this legislative session, multiple states are like, 00:16:53.449 --> 00:16:55.789 ooh, you know, let's get on this train. 00:16:56.309 --> 00:16:59.409 New York seemed to be kind of leading the way with this. Uh, 00:16:59.709 --> 00:17:05.209 they, so governor, uh, Hochul, uh, Kathy Hochul out of, uh. 00:17:06.289 --> 00:17:08.389 New York, she, uh, signed the 00:17:08.389 --> 00:17:13.769 bill on May 27th, uh, which actually was done as part of a budget bill. 00:17:13.769 --> 00:17:19.529 But within that is this ban on what they call convertible pistols. 00:17:20.529 --> 00:17:26.769 And specifically how they are defining this are any pistols that contain or 00:17:26.769 --> 00:17:31.029 use a quote unquote cruciform trigger bar. 00:17:31.809 --> 00:17:37.729 And that's key lingo because like Jacob or myself or if any of you have been 00:17:37.729 --> 00:17:42.769 through Glock Armors courses or you're just familiar with Glocks and how they work. 00:17:42.769 --> 00:17:46.329 You've bought parts for your Glocks, whatever, you know that the, 00:17:46.329 --> 00:17:50.369 the trigger bar, the trigger bar of the Glock has this piece, 00:17:50.549 --> 00:17:56.149 this, this portion that's referred to as a, as the cruciform. And, uh. 00:17:57.439 --> 00:18:04.559 Uh, okay, Jacob, uh, I, you may have gotten the wrong link, but, 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:07.699 uh, so there's, it's two things here, Jacob, two things. 00:18:07.979 --> 00:18:13.499 Uh, so he's saying he didn't get the right story here, but, uh, two things here. 00:18:13.679 --> 00:18:21.699 We got, um, Glocks that, uh, New York is going after and also 3D printers, 00:18:22.179 --> 00:18:23.419 3D printer restrictions. 00:18:23.419 --> 00:18:26.919 And so let me let me i'll cover 00:18:26.919 --> 00:18:30.619 this glock piece and then you can talk about the 3d printer part but 00:18:30.619 --> 00:18:33.719 so on may 27th this 00:18:33.719 --> 00:18:43.379 bill 9005c was signed which makes basically the idea is to make it illegal to 00:18:43.379 --> 00:18:50.419 purchase a firearm that uses a cruciform trigger bar which without saying And 00:18:50.419 --> 00:18:53.379 Glock is saying Glock and Glock style handguns. 00:18:53.479 --> 00:18:55.679 So guns that use Glock type components. 00:18:55.919 --> 00:18:59.339 So you're talking like the new Ruger RX-M and things like that would probably 00:18:59.339 --> 00:19:00.899 fall into this category as well. 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:04.839 So that's that piece. But also 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:08.079 the bill is going to restrict or place restrictions upon 3D 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:17.159 printers requiring firearm blueprint detection algorithms so that you can only 00:19:17.159 --> 00:19:23.919 buy or possess a 3D printer that has these algorithms built in so you can't 00:19:23.919 --> 00:19:27.059 go and print various firearm components. 00:19:27.539 --> 00:19:31.239 And so that's another piece of this bill. So Jacob, I'm sorry you didn't get 00:19:31.239 --> 00:19:39.559 the correct link on the Glock piece of this, but what did you find there about the 3D printer stuff? 00:19:41.037 --> 00:19:45.277 Yeah, I missed this. So apparently it's all one bill that addressed both of these things. 00:19:45.297 --> 00:19:49.437 So I just did a little more digging there while you were talking. I missed part of it. 00:19:50.777 --> 00:19:54.097 And we're going to see this as a pattern across several states in today's episode. 00:19:54.417 --> 00:19:58.337 So this appears to be one of those, you know, someone at the national level 00:19:58.337 --> 00:20:02.297 wrote it up and passed it down to the states who had the power to get it through. 00:20:02.297 --> 00:20:05.917 And we see it creeping. We see it in California. We'll see it in Illinois. 00:20:07.497 --> 00:20:10.417 So, yeah, Glocks, apparently convertible pistols. 00:20:10.417 --> 00:20:13.637 But the other half of this is the 3d printer thing and this 00:20:13.637 --> 00:20:16.917 is wild so the idea 00:20:16.917 --> 00:20:19.757 here is that we want to force companies that 00:20:19.757 --> 00:20:23.337 make 3d printers to have 00:20:23.337 --> 00:20:28.737 built-in software that would detect if someone's trying to print a gun thing 00:20:28.737 --> 00:20:41.877 or a gun and block that and then we want to punish anyone who attempts to loophole that, 00:20:42.037 --> 00:20:46.737 anyone attempts to bypass, you know, these algorithms that would otherwise normally block you. 00:20:46.877 --> 00:20:51.657 So if you like modify your firmware or hardware or something so as to get past 00:20:51.657 --> 00:20:55.217 this blockage that's been put into place by the manufacturer, 00:20:55.317 --> 00:20:57.877 then you also are committing a criminal act. 00:20:59.258 --> 00:21:01.958 Uh man i'm glad i'm not in the company i'm not in 00:21:01.958 --> 00:21:04.778 the industry of making 3d printers i guess that's what i'm thinking like 00:21:04.778 --> 00:21:08.418 how in the world is a 3d printing company like would 00:21:08.418 --> 00:21:11.378 you like i can't even imagine beginning to like 00:21:11.378 --> 00:21:14.338 craft software that's supposed to detect when 00:21:14.338 --> 00:21:17.678 something is in a shape that might be a gun part like that's 00:21:17.678 --> 00:21:20.378 nuts like like there's a lot of things going on there 00:21:20.378 --> 00:21:23.198 so anyway that uh that's the 00:21:23.198 --> 00:21:26.938 gist that that's the other half of this in new york is let's 00:21:26.938 --> 00:21:29.938 let's uh make illegal any convertible gun 00:21:29.938 --> 00:21:33.238 which is pretty broad and vague dangerous language 00:21:33.238 --> 00:21:36.118 but ultimately at least for now intended 00:21:36.118 --> 00:21:41.818 to target glock type guns anything that could put a glock switch on it and let's 00:21:41.818 --> 00:21:47.118 force 3d printers that you know in order to be sold in our state that they have 00:21:47.118 --> 00:21:53.278 to meet these requirements of detecting potential gun printing stuff yeah yeah 00:21:53.278 --> 00:21:57.578 So really what we have here is kind of a First Amendment and a Second Amendment 00:21:57.578 --> 00:22:02.138 issue going on in the state of New York, which is kind of interesting. 00:22:02.278 --> 00:22:07.498 It's not the first time that we've seen that kind of thing, but this is one 00:22:07.498 --> 00:22:15.378 of the first times I've seen a bill that is specifically trying to force companies 00:22:15.378 --> 00:22:21.458 to implement software that keeps you from being able to print certain parts. 00:22:22.198 --> 00:22:26.178 So in the past, I think the typical legal things, 00:22:26.438 --> 00:22:31.398 laws, and challenges we've seen have been more geared at the end user, 00:22:31.558 --> 00:22:38.738 where it's like, hey, if you possess certain 3D files to print things on your 3D printer, 00:22:38.998 --> 00:22:42.178 you know, firearm parts, then we'll come after you. 00:22:42.278 --> 00:22:47.098 But now it's like, let's attack it from this other angle, which is the producer 00:22:47.098 --> 00:22:51.238 of the machines, you know, so not the end user, but now the manufacturer. 00:22:51.458 --> 00:22:53.138 Of that technology. 00:22:53.398 --> 00:22:57.978 And so kind of an interesting approach, not a, not a, not a good one, 00:22:58.098 --> 00:22:59.438 but an interesting approach. 00:22:59.658 --> 00:23:02.178 It certainly tells the story that these. 00:23:04.506 --> 00:23:13.646 These not gun-friendly states and legislatures and governors and so forth will stop at nothing. 00:23:13.966 --> 00:23:18.826 They're throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what they can get to stick, 00:23:18.966 --> 00:23:22.886 seeing what they can push through, seeing what avenues they can attack. 00:23:22.886 --> 00:23:26.426 And they know, by the way, they know because of Heller, McDonald, 00:23:27.066 --> 00:23:32.606 Bruin, and so forth, that it's getting harder for them to craft legislation 00:23:32.606 --> 00:23:35.906 to come after guns specifically. 00:23:36.506 --> 00:23:40.146 And so they're getting a lot more creative with how they're going about that. 00:23:41.806 --> 00:23:47.806 I suspect there will be a major challenge on this cruciform trigger bar legislation, 00:23:47.806 --> 00:23:52.106 specifically targeting Glock and Glock design firearms. 00:23:52.886 --> 00:23:54.206 That'll be an interesting one 00:23:54.206 --> 00:23:57.826 to see play out. But I've never seen that language used before in a bill. 00:24:02.026 --> 00:24:02.926 Yeah, I... 00:24:04.722 --> 00:24:13.602 I think that mostly what we are observing is that state legislative bodies do 00:24:13.602 --> 00:24:21.982 not care or take into consideration if something is constitutional before they propose, 00:24:22.142 --> 00:24:23.782 pass, vote, and pass it. 00:24:24.062 --> 00:24:24.542 Sure. 00:24:24.862 --> 00:24:29.002 And ultimately sign it into law by a governor. So, you know, 00:24:29.042 --> 00:24:32.902 I just don't think that that's – I don't think it's any more a relevant question 00:24:32.902 --> 00:24:36.442 to ask. Like, will this pass constitutional muster? It's like, so what? 00:24:36.982 --> 00:24:39.782 Yeah. Like what matters is we can get it done now. 00:24:40.622 --> 00:24:44.642 And if it doesn't pass constitutional muster, we're still buying years of having 00:24:44.642 --> 00:24:50.462 this in place of our constituents feeling like we did our part of getting reelected, 00:24:50.502 --> 00:24:54.102 of the powers that be, you know, in our party, 00:24:54.342 --> 00:24:56.962 recognizing that we did what we were asked to do. 00:24:57.562 --> 00:25:00.122 So anyway, for whatever it's worth, you know, you mentioned that. 00:25:00.222 --> 00:25:02.882 And I'm like, I don't think they care. Yeah. 00:25:04.102 --> 00:25:10.202 Yes, I agree. And I also think that things are more difficult for them. 00:25:10.382 --> 00:25:14.662 But I think to your point, though, what is highly relevant in this case is that 00:25:14.662 --> 00:25:23.502 when we pass a law designed to change consumer behavior and then we think consumers 00:25:23.502 --> 00:25:28.422 are basically not complying and then we realize we have no way to enforce it at all. 00:25:28.422 --> 00:25:32.442 Like there's zero possibility we can enforce this law we just passed. 00:25:32.902 --> 00:25:37.942 Then we had to pass more laws to help us enforce the thing that otherwise we 00:25:37.942 --> 00:25:40.122 can't enforce and no one is complying with. 00:25:40.582 --> 00:25:44.582 That's what's happening here. We pass a law that says you can't print this or 00:25:44.582 --> 00:25:47.002 you can't have files that would allow you to print this. 00:25:47.182 --> 00:25:50.602 And then we realize we have no way of enforcing. We have no way of regulating. 00:25:50.782 --> 00:25:52.082 We have no way of finding people. 00:25:52.302 --> 00:25:54.462 Like no one gives a crap. No one's complying. 00:25:54.702 --> 00:25:57.662 And it's like, crap. Well, I guess that was a waste of time. What do we do next? 00:25:57.862 --> 00:26:04.322 Yeah. Oh, well, we make the people who make these machines, you know, we make them do stuff. 00:26:06.766 --> 00:26:12.086 There you have it. Out of California, four anti-gun bills advancing simultaneously 00:26:12.086 --> 00:26:15.586 reported on the nraila.org's website. 00:26:16.906 --> 00:26:23.826 There's four bills here, Senate Bill 948, which is a permit to purchase scheme. 00:26:24.086 --> 00:26:31.126 And this is a four-hour live fire course required to buy any firearm in California. 00:26:31.126 --> 00:26:35.846 So really going a step further than what we've seen here past recently in Colorado, 00:26:36.186 --> 00:26:39.066 which is more geared towards semi-automatic rifles. 00:26:39.306 --> 00:26:44.386 But in California, this bill would be to require you to go through this course 00:26:44.386 --> 00:26:46.586 to buy any fire in California. 00:26:46.726 --> 00:26:49.846 Now, the one thing that's interesting there is, as it's written right now, 00:26:50.586 --> 00:26:53.466 concealed permit holders would be exempted. 00:26:53.466 --> 00:26:57.506 They would basically be considered to have the training necessary already, 00:26:57.546 --> 00:27:01.986 which, I mean, you would think makes sense, especially since I think in California, 00:27:02.086 --> 00:27:04.626 don't you have to have like 16 hours, I think, of training? 00:27:05.346 --> 00:27:08.706 Oh, eight. I'm probably thinking it's New Mexico that requires 16, huh? 00:27:08.826 --> 00:27:11.766 New Mexico, 15. Illinois, 16. 00:27:11.946 --> 00:27:13.006 Yeah. Those are your big ones. 00:27:15.046 --> 00:27:17.506 You know, so you think, yeah, okay, that makes sense. I mean, 00:27:17.606 --> 00:27:21.326 if you think that sort of thing makes sense. But it's kind of, I mean, anyway, yeah. 00:27:21.426 --> 00:27:23.926 And here in Colorado, as you just already elaborated, Jacob, 00:27:24.206 --> 00:27:27.046 if you have a permit, sorry, it doesn't count, you know, for that. 00:27:27.226 --> 00:27:30.326 Yeah, there's no crossover at all. Though I think that that's something we will 00:27:30.326 --> 00:27:34.906 see proposed and potentially changed here in Colorado. But yeah. 00:27:35.126 --> 00:27:35.366 Right. 00:27:36.168 --> 00:27:43.148 Also, Assembly Bill 2047 is the exact same approach that New York we just talked about there. 00:27:43.308 --> 00:27:47.008 It's a 3D printer blocking technology bill. 00:27:48.148 --> 00:27:52.468 So interesting to see that. I mean, it is, but it's not terribly surprising 00:27:52.468 --> 00:27:56.628 because, I mean, you know, these people are talking behind closed doors, 00:27:56.768 --> 00:27:58.308 Jacob. They have friends everywhere. 00:27:58.528 --> 00:28:01.928 They're like, oh, what's my buddy in New York doing? Oh, they're passing this. 00:28:02.048 --> 00:28:03.768 Well, that sounds good. Let's do that. 00:28:03.768 --> 00:28:07.448 Here in California. I think it's worse than that. I think it's more like, 00:28:07.708 --> 00:28:13.148 hey, I'm a party leader at the national level and I'm calling up all of my state 00:28:13.148 --> 00:28:16.428 people and saying, you need to propose a bill like this one. Here you go. 00:28:17.398 --> 00:28:23.938 I know. No, I hate the fact that it's, yes, no, it's a national coordinated strategy. 00:28:24.038 --> 00:28:28.378 And that's why it's important for us to learn what's going on in these states. 00:28:28.498 --> 00:28:31.398 That's why I talked about what's going on in Colorado a little bit ago and saying, 00:28:31.538 --> 00:28:34.418 you know, this is the sort of thing that's coming to your doorstep, 00:28:34.418 --> 00:28:38.498 maybe not next year, maybe not even in five years, but this is something that 00:28:38.498 --> 00:28:41.118 could come to your doorstep down the road. 00:28:41.118 --> 00:28:44.898 And it's good to know what the strategies are and to be ready for them and try 00:28:44.898 --> 00:28:46.258 to fight back against them. 00:28:46.818 --> 00:28:51.558 I think it's worth understanding too that a viable possible byproduct of this 00:28:51.558 --> 00:28:54.098 kind of thing if you live in one of those states is you're not gonna be able 00:28:54.098 --> 00:28:59.878 to buy a 3d printer anymore right like an optional choice for the 3d printer 00:28:59.878 --> 00:29:04.038 manufacturers is to just no longer sell to those states right like oh you live 00:29:04.038 --> 00:29:06.618 in california you can't buy our product right 00:29:06.618 --> 00:29:12.218 Right yeah and of course i mean talk about enforcement jacob uh i mean who's 00:29:12.218 --> 00:29:16.478 this who's to say i don't just go across you know state lines and buy a 3D printer 00:29:16.478 --> 00:29:20.518 at Best Buy in Nevada or Arizona or whatever, right? 00:29:21.278 --> 00:29:27.478