Riley Bowman: And welcome to the Concealed Carry
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Riley Bowman: Today is Friday, May 29th, 2026, as of the recording of this live episode,
Riley Bowman: and I am your host, Riley Bowman, joined today by co-host and president of Concealed
Riley Bowman: Carry, Inc., Jacob Paulson.
Jacob Paulsen: Howdy, howdy.
Riley Bowman: With a classic Wyoming howdy.
Riley Bowman: Glad to be with you all. We've got a packed episode for you today going over
Riley Bowman: a number of legislative updates from the federal level and also from around
Riley Bowman: the country and a number of states that have things to report on.
Riley Bowman: The truth is there's lots of things we could report on and cannot get to at
Riley Bowman: all because of how much there typically is.
Riley Bowman: So we try to hit the big things, the biggest bang for your buck,
Riley Bowman: so to speak, or sometimes the biggest damage for your literal buck,
Riley Bowman: your tax dollars going to work, passing all manner of legislation.
Riley Bowman: Well, in some cases, it's good, but we don't have as much good news,
Riley Bowman: unfortunately, today as probably some bad news.
Riley Bowman: The big news is that apparently it is time for the Glock Wars, Jacob.
Riley Bowman: So the new tactic seems to be that states are specifically going after Glocks.
Riley Bowman: Probably no surprise there, but it is kind of an interesting tactic and an interesting
Riley Bowman: approach, including some of the verbiage that is used to identify said firearm.
Riley Bowman: So we'll break that down for you here in a bit. We also got some great stories for you all.
Riley Bowman: We'll be talking about some news right here in Colorado, which is impacting
Riley Bowman: us here, Jacob and myself, and our business location here in Colorado.
Riley Bowman: There's some interesting developments there. and some things on the federal
Riley Bowman: level, as I mentioned before as well, including another lawsuit about carrying
Riley Bowman: a firearm on post office grounds.
Riley Bowman: So it'll be interesting to see how that all develops. We'll get into it all
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Riley Bowman: Let's get into our first story, Jacob. Actually, you authored this one on concealedcarry.com website.
Riley Bowman: And this is an update on the Colorado State or Senate Bill 3,
Riley Bowman: which is quite interesting.
Riley Bowman: It's actually passed last year, right?
Jacob Paulsen: Correct.
Riley Bowman: It's taken all this time until just like a couple weeks ago to get somewhere with it, it seems.
Jacob Paulsen: Well, I mean, in their defense, the law doesn't go into effect until August 1st, 22nd, 26th.
Jacob Paulsen: So there's only so much rush to figure out what the law means and how it's going
Jacob Paulsen: to be applied when it's signed into law basically like a year and four months
Jacob Paulsen: before it has to go into effect.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those things, though, where for a long time we've been
Riley Bowman: sitting here wondering, okay, what firearms is it going to affect? Right.
Riley Bowman: So in case you're not familiar, what we're talking about here is the bill,
Riley Bowman: like I said, passed last year, that is it creates a a semi-automatic firearm
Riley Bowman: category that is going to require
Riley Bowman: Colorado residents to then go through training to obtain a license,
Riley Bowman: I guess, or permit or whatever.
Riley Bowman: I don't remember the verbiage that's used to then be able to go and purchase a,
Riley Bowman: those semi-automatic firearms that are on this list or
Riley Bowman: in this category and for the longest time we
Riley Bowman: didn't even know officially what would be in that category i guess we still
Riley Bowman: don't even know officially because what was just released a couple weeks ago
Riley Bowman: is the draft list but it becomes quite apparent once you see it i mean we suspected
Riley Bowman: this but there was still this like okay are.
Riley Bowman: Pistols for instance or certain pistols and i'm not just talking about like
Riley Bowman: ar pistols but like handguns included in this, because the way the law was written
Riley Bowman: and passed left some ambiguity.
Riley Bowman: But anyway, it does seem to be more geared towards AR-15 variant firearms, AK-47 and the like.
Riley Bowman: So again, you authored the article, the update on our website,
Riley Bowman: Jacob. What's the skinny on this?
Jacob Paulsen: Well, for those who are not in Colorado, I think the high-level understanding
Jacob Paulsen: that you need to understand and take away from this is that the term that those
Jacob Paulsen: of us in the community are using to describe this type of legislation is permit to purchase.
Jacob Paulsen: So instead of an outright ban on a certain type of gun or category of gun or
Jacob Paulsen: firearms, what this is is an attempt to say, hey, no, we're not banning anything.
Jacob Paulsen: You can still buy this stuff, and you can still own it if you already got it.
Jacob Paulsen: But in order to buy these particular guns, whatever falls into the list,
Jacob Paulsen: you have to get a permit to do that.
Jacob Paulsen: And that permit's going to have some hoops to jump through, including background
Jacob Paulsen: checks and taking a training class and all that kind of stuff.
Jacob Paulsen: So that's the high level, like what this really is. And Colorado is not the
Jacob Paulsen: first state to do a permit to purchase type program.
Jacob Paulsen: I think it's probably the most robust we've seen so far. But,
Jacob Paulsen: you know, Illinois has a FOID card, which is similar in theory,
Jacob Paulsen: though demonstrably different as well.
Jacob Paulsen: And I think that we'll see more states do this. I think that this is going to
Jacob Paulsen: be a common anti-gun template for the country because
Jacob Paulsen: it's much harder to challenge its constitutionality because it's not banning.
Jacob Paulsen: It's really easy to challenge, and I think that in the next probably nine months
Jacob Paulsen: or so, we're going to see the U.S.
Jacob Paulsen: Supreme Court rule on AR-15s and that
Jacob Paulsen: they can't be banned, that they're constitutionally protected firearms.
Jacob Paulsen: I think that's inevitable at this point.
Jacob Paulsen: But coming back to this, this is not a ban. So if you're going to challenge
Jacob Paulsen: the constitutionality of this, you're basically saying that the burden is too
Jacob Paulsen: high, that it's too difficult for,
Jacob Paulsen: you know, it's unreasonably difficult to go through the process to be able to
Jacob Paulsen: obtain the gun, the constitutionally protected firearm.
Jacob Paulsen: And that argument is something we made here in Colorado. What we've learned
Jacob Paulsen: is that this is what this is going to look like.
Jacob Paulsen: First, you'll have to go to a website and set up a user account.
Jacob Paulsen: And when you set up that user account, it will attempt to identify if you've
Jacob Paulsen: ever taken a hunter safety course before.
Jacob Paulsen: If you've taken a hunter safety course in Colorado, in theory,
Jacob Paulsen: then it would be able to identify that.
Jacob Paulsen: If you've taken a hunter safety class in a different state, it may not know that.
Jacob Paulsen: You might have to then walk down to Colorado Parks and Wildlife offices and
Jacob Paulsen: say, hey, see here, I took hunter safety when I lived in Alabama.
Jacob Paulsen: Please add that to the system. Then they would add that to the system in theory.
Jacob Paulsen: And then you'd go back to your computer at home, log in to the user account
Jacob Paulsen: again, verify that that's there or not.
Jacob Paulsen: Regardless, if you do or don't have Hunter Safety, you would then print off
Jacob Paulsen: a thing that you would take to the sheriff's office and you'd say,
Jacob Paulsen: hey, I set up the user account in the place. See, see?
Jacob Paulsen: And the sheriff's office would then take the…
Jacob Paulsen: The next step. Now, the next step, though, is a little bit complicated because
Jacob Paulsen: what we're learning is that when you get to that sheriff's office,
Jacob Paulsen: in addition to having the piece of paper that says you set up the user account
Jacob Paulsen: on this new website that currently doesn't exist today,
Jacob Paulsen: You'll also have to present a background check.
Jacob Paulsen: And it's really unclear where you're going to get this background check.
Jacob Paulsen: I mean, you're walking into a building that traditionally does background checks.
Jacob Paulsen: So you would think that the sheriff's office could perform that.
Jacob Paulsen: And maybe they end up In the end, they will end up doing that starting on August
Jacob Paulsen: 1st. But today it's unclear.
Jacob Paulsen: Today what we know is that you're supposed to show up at the sheriff's office
Jacob Paulsen: with the paper that says you set up the user account on the website and with
Jacob Paulsen: a background check that's been performed by somebody somewhere.
Jacob Paulsen: I don't know what that would look like.
Jacob Paulsen: Probably not the kind of thing that you would pull on an employee to see if
Jacob Paulsen: they've been convicted of a felony, though.
Jacob Paulsen: It'd have to be a criminal background check. So anyway, that's confusing.
Jacob Paulsen: But somehow you get to the sheriff's office, the background check is performed
Jacob Paulsen: by somebody, and you've set up this user account on this website.
Jacob Paulsen: The sheriff then reviews that, verifies that, yeah, all this checks out,
Jacob Paulsen: like we're good here, like nobody's screwed up, nobody's done anything wrong.
Jacob Paulsen: They either are conducting the background check or they're verifying the background
Jacob Paulsen: check that you're producing, I guess, one of those two things.
Jacob Paulsen: And then they provide you with a class eligibility thing, card thing.
Jacob Paulsen: I don't know if it's physical or if it just goes into the same website database thingy.
Jacob Paulsen: Colorado Parks and Wildlife is very excited about the database.
Jacob Paulsen: So they verify that you did all the things, you passed the background check,
Jacob Paulsen: and they say, yeah, you are now officially hereby eligible to go take a class.
Jacob Paulsen: And if you do have, in fact, some sort of...
Jacob Paulsen: Hunter safety on your record, then that's good news for you.
Jacob Paulsen: You can just take the basic course, which is going to be at least four hours.
Jacob Paulsen: However, if you've never taken hunter safety before, then you have to take the
Jacob Paulsen: extended course, which is 12 hours long.
Jacob Paulsen: Once you've taken that course, then your instructor who taught you the course,
Jacob Paulsen: which is some private person like me or Riley, then they enter
Jacob Paulsen: that into the database yep this person passed the course they
Jacob Paulsen: have to do that within some number of days i think they have
Jacob Paulsen: like seven days to do that but until they do that you can't go buy a gun once
Jacob Paulsen: the instructor enters this stuff manually into this database confirming that
Jacob Paulsen: the student completed the class then you can go to a gun store and the local
Jacob Paulsen: gun store the ffl they have to have access to that database they have to log
Jacob Paulsen: in and say oh yes jacob paulson this guy.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, he passed the class. We can sell him one of these guns.
Jacob Paulsen: So that's the kind of burden we're talking about.
Jacob Paulsen: And for me, it's absolutely unconstitutional.
Jacob Paulsen: It's utterly ridiculous and stupid. Of course, I think background checks are
Jacob Paulsen: already arguably unconstitutional, but this is 10 steps past that.
Jacob Paulsen: So that's the kind of thing that's going on here. And that's what it looks like.
Riley Bowman: Why is this relevant? Why are we talking about it to a national audience?
Riley Bowman: Well, because I think it's important for you to hear what states like Colorado,
Riley Bowman: California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, Virginia,
Riley Bowman: Connecticut, and so on and so forth, what they're up to, because this is the
Riley Bowman: stuff that's coming down the pike.
Riley Bowman: One day you may very well find this in your backyard.
Riley Bowman: I know you may be in, you know, name your red state and think,
Riley Bowman: well, we're red state. this will never happen here. Guess what?
Riley Bowman: I wouldn't have guessed when I moved to Colorado in 2009 that this sort of thing would happen here.
Riley Bowman: So things change quickly. Politics, unfortunately, can change quickly.
Riley Bowman: You get the wrong people in power, the wrong organizations,
Riley Bowman: the wrong political organizations making big mistakes like what's happened here
Riley Bowman: in Colorado historically in the last decade and a half or so.
Riley Bowman: And before you know it, I'm not trying to pick sides here as far as political parties go.
Riley Bowman: But before you know it, the party that's friendly to the Second Amendment is
Riley Bowman: no longer anywhere close to being in power.
Riley Bowman: And you end up with stuff like this. The complicated mess that this system is, is the punishment.
Riley Bowman: And that's what is unfortunately problematic for us, you know,
Riley Bowman: that are going to have to deal with this.
Riley Bowman: And to your point, Jacob, you're like, oh, you know, you don't have high hopes
Riley Bowman: for the Supreme Court making some landmark ruling in the relatively near future,
Riley Bowman: meaning the next couple of years, that clarifies and overturns permit purchase schemes like this.
Riley Bowman: And that's unfortunate because we have rights, and I know that the argument
Riley Bowman: can be made by the other side, well, you have a means to obtain,
Riley Bowman: And practice said right, but it's so onerous and complicated and messy that
Riley Bowman: it strips effectively away the right from people that aren't going to go through
Riley Bowman: the process or do not have the money to go through that process.
Riley Bowman: So anyway, we should probably move on.
Jacob Paulsen: Well, you know, I'll just quickly add that we see similar things relative to
Jacob Paulsen: getting a concealed handgun permit, right?
Jacob Paulsen: Post Bruins, you have several states who are like, oh, I guess we have to create
Jacob Paulsen: illegal means via which someone can obtain a concealed carry permit,
Jacob Paulsen: but they can still make that means highly complex.
Jacob Paulsen: And we've seen lawsuits on that.
Jacob Paulsen: We've seen successful lawsuits against states who have made it too onerous to
Jacob Paulsen: obtain a concealed carry permit.
Jacob Paulsen: So I do think long term, that's viable for these kinds of permit to purchase schemes.
Jacob Paulsen: But I think in the short term we're not going to see that victory
Riley Bowman: We have a story later in today's episode out of Maryland, actually,
Riley Bowman: of a lawsuit against, because the next step for a lot of these states is,
Riley Bowman: okay, we'll have a process in place.
Riley Bowman: We'll make that process difficult. And we'll also then create sensitive places,
Riley Bowman: quote unquote, sensitive places, to make it as difficult as possible for a person
Riley Bowman: to actually exercise that right to carry.
Riley Bowman: And so we'll get to that one. That's out of Maryland here in a bit.
Riley Bowman: Let's move to New York. We talked about, kind of teased in the opener,
Riley Bowman: that it is all about the Glock Wars, it seems, all of a sudden.
Riley Bowman: I mean, this kind of came out of, I don't know if I'd say out of nowhere exactly, but it is interesting.
Riley Bowman: It just, this legislative session, multiple states are like,
Riley Bowman: ooh, you know, let's get on this train.
Riley Bowman: New York seemed to be kind of leading the way with this. Uh,
Riley Bowman: they, so governor, uh, Hochul, uh, Kathy Hochul out of, uh.
Riley Bowman: New York, she, uh, signed the
Riley Bowman: bill on May 27th, uh, which actually was done as part of a budget bill.
Riley Bowman: But within that is this ban on what they call convertible pistols.
Riley Bowman: And specifically how they are defining this are any pistols that contain or
Riley Bowman: use a quote unquote cruciform trigger bar.
Riley Bowman: And that's key lingo because like Jacob or myself or if any of you have been
Riley Bowman: through Glock Armors courses or you're just familiar with Glocks and how they work.
Riley Bowman: You've bought parts for your Glocks, whatever, you know that the,
Riley Bowman: the trigger bar, the trigger bar of the Glock has this piece,
Riley Bowman: this, this portion that's referred to as a, as the cruciform. And, uh.
Riley Bowman: Uh, okay, Jacob, uh, I, you may have gotten the wrong link, but,
Riley Bowman: uh, so there's, it's two things here, Jacob, two things.
Riley Bowman: Uh, so he's saying he didn't get the right story here, but, uh, two things here.
Riley Bowman: We got, um, Glocks that, uh, New York is going after and also 3D printers,
Riley Bowman: 3D printer restrictions.
Riley Bowman: And so let me let me i'll cover
Riley Bowman: this glock piece and then you can talk about the 3d printer part but
Riley Bowman: so on may 27th this
Riley Bowman: bill 9005c was signed which makes basically the idea is to make it illegal to
Riley Bowman: purchase a firearm that uses a cruciform trigger bar which without saying And
Riley Bowman: Glock is saying Glock and Glock style handguns.
Riley Bowman: So guns that use Glock type components.
Riley Bowman: So you're talking like the new Ruger RX-M and things like that would probably
Riley Bowman: fall into this category as well.
Riley Bowman: So that's that piece. But also
Riley Bowman: the bill is going to restrict or place restrictions upon 3D
Riley Bowman: printers requiring firearm blueprint detection algorithms so that you can only
Riley Bowman: buy or possess a 3D printer that has these algorithms built in so you can't
Riley Bowman: go and print various firearm components.
Riley Bowman: And so that's another piece of this bill. So Jacob, I'm sorry you didn't get
Riley Bowman: the correct link on the Glock piece of this, but what did you find there about the 3D printer stuff?
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, I missed this. So apparently it's all one bill that addressed both of these things.
Jacob Paulsen: So I just did a little more digging there while you were talking. I missed part of it.
Jacob Paulsen: And we're going to see this as a pattern across several states in today's episode.
Jacob Paulsen: So this appears to be one of those, you know, someone at the national level
Jacob Paulsen: wrote it up and passed it down to the states who had the power to get it through.
Jacob Paulsen: And we see it creeping. We see it in California. We'll see it in Illinois.
Jacob Paulsen: So, yeah, Glocks, apparently convertible pistols.
Jacob Paulsen: But the other half of this is the 3d printer thing and this
Jacob Paulsen: is wild so the idea
Jacob Paulsen: here is that we want to force companies that
Jacob Paulsen: make 3d printers to have
Jacob Paulsen: built-in software that would detect if someone's trying to print a gun thing
Jacob Paulsen: or a gun and block that and then we want to punish anyone who attempts to loophole that,
Jacob Paulsen: anyone attempts to bypass, you know, these algorithms that would otherwise normally block you.
Jacob Paulsen: So if you like modify your firmware or hardware or something so as to get past
Jacob Paulsen: this blockage that's been put into place by the manufacturer,
Jacob Paulsen: then you also are committing a criminal act.
Jacob Paulsen: Uh man i'm glad i'm not in the company i'm not in
Jacob Paulsen: the industry of making 3d printers i guess that's what i'm thinking like
Jacob Paulsen: how in the world is a 3d printing company like would
Jacob Paulsen: you like i can't even imagine beginning to like
Jacob Paulsen: craft software that's supposed to detect when
Jacob Paulsen: something is in a shape that might be a gun part like that's
Jacob Paulsen: nuts like like there's a lot of things going on there
Jacob Paulsen: so anyway that uh that's the
Jacob Paulsen: gist that that's the other half of this in new york is let's
Jacob Paulsen: let's uh make illegal any convertible gun
Jacob Paulsen: which is pretty broad and vague dangerous language
Jacob Paulsen: but ultimately at least for now intended
Jacob Paulsen: to target glock type guns anything that could put a glock switch on it and let's
Jacob Paulsen: force 3d printers that you know in order to be sold in our state that they have
Jacob Paulsen: to meet these requirements of detecting potential gun printing stuff yeah yeah
Riley Bowman: So really what we have here is kind of a First Amendment and a Second Amendment
Riley Bowman: issue going on in the state of New York, which is kind of interesting.
Riley Bowman: It's not the first time that we've seen that kind of thing, but this is one
Riley Bowman: of the first times I've seen a bill that is specifically trying to force companies
Riley Bowman: to implement software that keeps you from being able to print certain parts.
Riley Bowman: So in the past, I think the typical legal things,
Riley Bowman: laws, and challenges we've seen have been more geared at the end user,
Riley Bowman: where it's like, hey, if you possess certain 3D files to print things on your 3D printer,
Riley Bowman: you know, firearm parts, then we'll come after you.
Riley Bowman: But now it's like, let's attack it from this other angle, which is the producer
Riley Bowman: of the machines, you know, so not the end user, but now the manufacturer.
Riley Bowman: Of that technology.
Riley Bowman: And so kind of an interesting approach, not a, not a, not a good one,
Riley Bowman: but an interesting approach.
Riley Bowman: It certainly tells the story that these.
Riley Bowman: These not gun-friendly states and legislatures and governors and so forth will stop at nothing.
Riley Bowman: They're throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what they can get to stick,
Riley Bowman: seeing what they can push through, seeing what avenues they can attack.
Riley Bowman: And they know, by the way, they know because of Heller, McDonald,
Riley Bowman: Bruin, and so forth, that it's getting harder for them to craft legislation
Riley Bowman: to come after guns specifically.
Riley Bowman: And so they're getting a lot more creative with how they're going about that.
Riley Bowman: I suspect there will be a major challenge on this cruciform trigger bar legislation,
Riley Bowman: specifically targeting Glock and Glock design firearms.
Riley Bowman: That'll be an interesting one
Riley Bowman: to see play out. But I've never seen that language used before in a bill.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, I...
Jacob Paulsen: I think that mostly what we are observing is that state legislative bodies do
Jacob Paulsen: not care or take into consideration if something is constitutional before they propose,
Jacob Paulsen: pass, vote, and pass it.
Riley Bowman: Sure.
Jacob Paulsen: And ultimately sign it into law by a governor. So, you know,
Jacob Paulsen: I just don't think that that's – I don't think it's any more a relevant question
Jacob Paulsen: to ask. Like, will this pass constitutional muster? It's like, so what?
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah. Like what matters is we can get it done now.
Jacob Paulsen: And if it doesn't pass constitutional muster, we're still buying years of having
Jacob Paulsen: this in place of our constituents feeling like we did our part of getting reelected,
Jacob Paulsen: of the powers that be, you know, in our party,
Jacob Paulsen: recognizing that we did what we were asked to do.
Jacob Paulsen: So anyway, for whatever it's worth, you know, you mentioned that.
Jacob Paulsen: And I'm like, I don't think they care. Yeah.
Riley Bowman: Yes, I agree. And I also think that things are more difficult for them.
Jacob Paulsen: But I think to your point, though, what is highly relevant in this case is that
Jacob Paulsen: when we pass a law designed to change consumer behavior and then we think consumers
Jacob Paulsen: are basically not complying and then we realize we have no way to enforce it at all.
Jacob Paulsen: Like there's zero possibility we can enforce this law we just passed.
Jacob Paulsen: Then we had to pass more laws to help us enforce the thing that otherwise we
Jacob Paulsen: can't enforce and no one is complying with.
Jacob Paulsen: That's what's happening here. We pass a law that says you can't print this or
Jacob Paulsen: you can't have files that would allow you to print this.
Jacob Paulsen: And then we realize we have no way of enforcing. We have no way of regulating.
Jacob Paulsen: We have no way of finding people.
Jacob Paulsen: Like no one gives a crap. No one's complying.
Jacob Paulsen: And it's like, crap. Well, I guess that was a waste of time. What do we do next?
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah. Oh, well, we make the people who make these machines, you know, we make them do stuff.
Riley Bowman: There you have it. Out of California, four anti-gun bills advancing simultaneously
Riley Bowman: reported on the nraila.org's website.
Riley Bowman: There's four bills here, Senate Bill 948, which is a permit to purchase scheme.
Riley Bowman: And this is a four-hour live fire course required to buy any firearm in California.
Riley Bowman: So really going a step further than what we've seen here past recently in Colorado,
Riley Bowman: which is more geared towards semi-automatic rifles.
Riley Bowman: But in California, this bill would be to require you to go through this course
Riley Bowman: to buy any fire in California.
Riley Bowman: Now, the one thing that's interesting there is, as it's written right now,
Riley Bowman: concealed permit holders would be exempted.
Riley Bowman: They would basically be considered to have the training necessary already,
Riley Bowman: which, I mean, you would think makes sense, especially since I think in California,
Riley Bowman: don't you have to have like 16 hours, I think, of training?
Riley Bowman: Oh, eight. I'm probably thinking it's New Mexico that requires 16, huh?
Jacob Paulsen: New Mexico, 15. Illinois, 16.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Those are your big ones.
Riley Bowman: You know, so you think, yeah, okay, that makes sense. I mean,
Riley Bowman: if you think that sort of thing makes sense. But it's kind of, I mean, anyway, yeah.
Riley Bowman: And here in Colorado, as you just already elaborated, Jacob,
Riley Bowman: if you have a permit, sorry, it doesn't count, you know, for that.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, there's no crossover at all. Though I think that that's something we will
Jacob Paulsen: see proposed and potentially changed here in Colorado. But yeah.
Riley Bowman: Right.
Riley Bowman: Also, Assembly Bill 2047 is the exact same approach that New York we just talked about there.
Riley Bowman: It's a 3D printer blocking technology bill.
Riley Bowman: So interesting to see that. I mean, it is, but it's not terribly surprising
Riley Bowman: because, I mean, you know, these people are talking behind closed doors,
Riley Bowman: Jacob. They have friends everywhere.
Riley Bowman: They're like, oh, what's my buddy in New York doing? Oh, they're passing this.
Riley Bowman: Well, that sounds good. Let's do that.
Jacob Paulsen: Here in California. I think it's worse than that. I think it's more like,
Jacob Paulsen: hey, I'm a party leader at the national level and I'm calling up all of my state
Jacob Paulsen: people and saying, you need to propose a bill like this one. Here you go.
Riley Bowman: I know. No, I hate the fact that it's, yes, no, it's a national coordinated strategy.
Riley Bowman: And that's why it's important for us to learn what's going on in these states.
Riley Bowman: That's why I talked about what's going on in Colorado a little bit ago and saying,
Riley Bowman: you know, this is the sort of thing that's coming to your doorstep,
Riley Bowman: maybe not next year, maybe not even in five years, but this is something that
Riley Bowman: could come to your doorstep down the road.
Riley Bowman: And it's good to know what the strategies are and to be ready for them and try
Riley Bowman: to fight back against them.
Jacob Paulsen: I think it's worth understanding too that a viable possible byproduct of this
Jacob Paulsen: kind of thing if you live in one of those states is you're not gonna be able
Jacob Paulsen: to buy a 3d printer anymore right like an optional choice for the 3d printer
Jacob Paulsen: manufacturers is to just no longer sell to those states right like oh you live
Jacob Paulsen: in california you can't buy our product right
Riley Bowman: Right yeah and of course i mean talk about enforcement jacob uh i mean who's
Riley Bowman: this who's to say i don't just go across you know state lines and buy a 3D printer
Riley Bowman: at Best Buy in Nevada or Arizona or whatever, right?
Riley Bowman: Go for it. But anyway, also Assembly Bill 1743 is a database expansion.
Riley Bowman: So this is a big issue, Jacob, because as we know, as you know,
Riley Bowman: a few years ago, there was a major issue where the entire database of concealed
Riley Bowman: carry permit holders in California was basically dumped publicly.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, I think we have to go back a step before that to build a foundation to
Jacob Paulsen: understand this because –
Jacob Paulsen: The federal law since 1986 prohibits the creation of a database of gun owners
Jacob Paulsen: by any governing body, anyone, whether a state, city, any political subdivision thereof.
Jacob Paulsen: So that's already – you can't do that. Now, the problem is that when this law
Jacob Paulsen: was passed, it was part of the FOPA, the Fire and Motor Protection Act.
Jacob Paulsen: When that law was passed, you had a handful of jurisdictions who were already
Jacob Paulsen: doing it, and they were effectively grandfathered in.
Jacob Paulsen: Now, California is one of those. So despite it being against the law at a federal
Jacob Paulsen: level for California to have a database of humans and their guns,
Jacob Paulsen: California has one anyway.
Jacob Paulsen: And so that's the first kind of prerequisite to this is understanding that California
Jacob Paulsen: already does have a database.
Jacob Paulsen: Whereas most of you listening to this are like, does my state do that?
Jacob Paulsen: Like, no, your state doesn't do that and can't start doing it.
Jacob Paulsen: It would be against federal law. But California has done it,
Jacob Paulsen: does do it, and still does it. And now they want to expand on it.
Jacob Paulsen: And to your point, Riley, I think it's absolutely relevant to mention that they
Jacob Paulsen: don't have a track record of protecting the data.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, they had a major data breach back, I think it was 2022,
Riley Bowman: which, I mean, basically you're talking about the whole state.
Riley Bowman: I think at that time, was that firearm owners or I thought it was permittees?
Jacob Paulsen: I think it was both.
Riley Bowman: Maybe it was both.
Jacob Paulsen: It was California Department of Justice.
Riley Bowman: Right, right. Right. I mean, we're talking names, addresses,
Riley Bowman: you know, some other personally identifying information.
Riley Bowman: And so, yeah, they want to expand with this bill that they're proposing this session.
Riley Bowman: They want to expand who has access to that database, who that is shared with
Riley Bowman: within, you know, government and other entities within the state.
Riley Bowman: And so, yeah, that just, you know, increases the risk that we'll have another
Riley Bowman: major failure of, you know, a data breach again. So that's super cool.
Riley Bowman: And then Assembly Bill 1753 would clarify California's gun violence restraining order.
Riley Bowman: So they basically want to add ammunition as a part of that.
Jacob Paulsen: This is phenomenal. This cracks me up.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: Go ahead. The irony of this is amazing, right? Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: If the existing law was working, then we wouldn't need to take your ammo,
Riley Bowman: Right?
Jacob Paulsen: If someone files a red flag order on Joe Smith in California,
Jacob Paulsen: and the cops show up and take all his guns and leave,
Jacob Paulsen: And if that was functional, if they thought their own law was working,
Jacob Paulsen: then we would have no need to tack ammo onto that. None.
Jacob Paulsen: It would be unnecessary. So the fact that they're saying, hey, no, we need to be taken.
Jacob Paulsen: It's not enough that we're just taking these people's guns for some potentially,
Jacob Paulsen: for at least a temporary but potentially a permanent period of time.
Jacob Paulsen: But we also think we need to take their ammo. It's like, why?
Jacob Paulsen: Like, why exactly would you need to take their ammo if you already took their guns?
Jacob Paulsen: Like it is ironic because it is exposing the absolute failure of the existing
Jacob Paulsen: legislation and adding ammo to it can't possibly help whatever failures already exist in the concept.
Riley Bowman: Well said. Yeah, I couldn't agree more with that.
Riley Bowman: So these four bills continue to advance in the California state legislature.
Riley Bowman: I would strongly encourage if you're a Californian to be working all the channels
Riley Bowman: that you can, contacting everybody you can, all of your legislators, your senators,
Riley Bowman: your, you know, the governor even, you know, but also talking to your friends
Riley Bowman: and family and those that you know that care about this stuff.
Riley Bowman: Like this should be a topic of discussion so that people are made aware,
Riley Bowman: because unfortunately, what I see so, so often is a serious lack of,
Riley Bowman: well, really not lack of, but serious apathy towards, you know,
Riley Bowman: well, there's not a lot we can do about it. They're just going to do it anyway.
Riley Bowman: Well, you know, if we just roll over and take it, well, you know,
Riley Bowman: there's no other option, really. you know what's going to happen.
Riley Bowman: So anyway, major issues there out of California. Let's go to Illinois.
Riley Bowman: So we're talking about Glock Wars. Okay. So the story out of Illinois is Illinois
Riley Bowman: is also going after Glocks.
Riley Bowman: And the way they're describing this is machine gun convertible pistols,
Riley Bowman: with a definition that's broad enough to include in that Glocks and probably
Riley Bowman: a number of other similar striker-fired handguns.
Riley Bowman: Basically, if the handgun could be easily, you know,
Riley Bowman: supposedly easily modified to turn it into a full automatic pistol,
Riley Bowman: then that's the intent here, is for them to try to, you know,
Riley Bowman: restrict your ability to purchase or.
Riley Bowman: Uh, yeah, or own these. And so, and it's not just, uh, Illinois,
Riley Bowman: New York, we've talked about now, but Maryland as well.
Riley Bowman: Okay. Uh, we're not going to cover Maryland specifically, but just know that
Riley Bowman: same sort of legislation legislation is trying to advance in the state of Maryland as well.
Riley Bowman: So, uh, you know, they've, they've, they've tried to go after the specific,
Riley Bowman: you know, Glock switches.
Jacob Paulsen: Jacob, um, which are already illegal.
Riley Bowman: Correct. Right. Unless you have, the proper licensing through
Riley Bowman: the atf uh you got to have an sot yeah
Riley Bowman: to basically possess and or manufacture such
Riley Bowman: things uh but uh anyway whatever they're doing is not working they feel and
Riley Bowman: so next step let's just go after the specific type of firearm that those switches
Riley Bowman: can be used on so there you go that's what's going on in illinois there's.
Jacob Paulsen: Some great irony here because maybe irony is the wrong word,
Jacob Paulsen: but isn't there some issue, concern, thought to the fact that most of these
Jacob Paulsen: states have law enforcement agencies using that gun?
Jacob Paulsen: If you go read the statutes, law enforcement are generally exempted.
Jacob Paulsen: So it doesn't, in a practical way, impact law enforcement.
Riley Bowman: Right.
Jacob Paulsen: But there's got to be something like, wait a minute, you're saying civilians
Jacob Paulsen: can't own the thing that all the cops are carrying because it has a safety defect,
Jacob Paulsen: basically, is what you're claiming.
Jacob Paulsen: But the cops have it, then we have no problem with that.
Jacob Paulsen: There's something off with that, man.
Riley Bowman: Well, yeah, 100%. I mean, it's all off.
Jacob Paulsen: I'll also just quickly add that several of your Pro 2A support groups have filed
Jacob Paulsen: a joint lawsuit against the state of Maryland.
Jacob Paulsen: So we haven't seen lawsuits against all these states. And some of them are still
Jacob Paulsen: moving, like California's things, for example.
Jacob Paulsen: But we have seen very quickly after Maryland passed their anti-Glock.
Jacob Paulsen: I like your Glock war thing. I want to run with that. After Maryland passed
Jacob Paulsen: their Glock war law, we saw immediately lawsuits filed.
Jacob Paulsen: I know FPC was involved. I know Anna Ray is on that lawsuit.
Jacob Paulsen: There's probably others too I've already forgotten about.
Jacob Paulsen: But anyway, so there is some action being taken, at least to Maryland for sure,
Jacob Paulsen: by these pro-gun right groups.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. It's super concerning that, I mean, obviously any attack on our rights
Riley Bowman: is a concern. It's a big issue.
Riley Bowman: It's especially concerning that with this approach that they are going after
Riley Bowman: a specific company. I mean, and I know that probably the way they're trying
Riley Bowman: to word these things is to try to avoid calling out specifically Glock Inc.
Riley Bowman: But in essence, what they're doing is going after a specific company.
Riley Bowman: And that's, I mean, isn't there something constitutionally that makes that?
Jacob Paulsen: Well, I mean, we do have a law that basically says you can't hold, like you can't sue.
Jacob Paulsen: You can't hold civilly liable a company who makes themselves a product that
Jacob Paulsen: is lawful because it was used in an unlawful way.
Jacob Paulsen: So that exists, though we have our own battle over that one certainly all the time.
Jacob Paulsen: But yeah, can they just ban a certain product?
Jacob Paulsen: Well, I think they can. I think that it's constitutionally viable in theory.
Jacob Paulsen: I think it's constitutionally viable in theory to say, hey, we don't want Toyotas
Jacob Paulsen: to be sold in our state because we think that Toyotas have this issue,
Jacob Paulsen: that they have this safety concern, that they put the public at safety.
Jacob Paulsen: I think that's constitutionally would pass muster. But this is not that per se, right?
Jacob Paulsen: This is something else entirely because this is something that is a commonly
Jacob Paulsen: used, probably the most commonly used style of semi-automatic or of any handguns.
Jacob Paulsen: This is the most commonly purchased and owned style of handgun in the country.
Jacob Paulsen: And that makes it constitutionally protected when it's in common use,
Jacob Paulsen: specifically as a gun. Because that's what the Supreme Court said is that guns
Jacob Paulsen: in common use like this are protected.
Jacob Paulsen: So I think that you would have to really demonstrably show that it is a risk
Jacob Paulsen: to public health in order to have this pass muster. And I don't think they can
Jacob Paulsen: do that. I don't think they can come anywhere close to that.
Jacob Paulsen: I think that – in fact, I would love to see, and I've not seen this anywhere.
Jacob Paulsen: Maybe someone can go pull some data and try and dig this up.
Jacob Paulsen: But I would love to see the number of firearm deaths that they can attribute to converted glocks.
Jacob Paulsen: I'm guessing it's a pretty small percentage of firearm-related deaths.
Jacob Paulsen: In fact, I bet you it's not a tenth of 1%.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. I don't think you're wrong at all with that.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, so an awful lot of political just work that's happening to supposedly affect a very,
Riley Bowman: very small amount of public benefit.
Riley Bowman: What I think I was thinking of, Jacob, is the Bill of Attainer Clause in Article 1 of the U.S.
Riley Bowman: Constitution, which prevents governments from passing a specific legislation
Riley Bowman: that targets one company.
Riley Bowman: And I know in this case, like, now you have multiple companies making Glock variants, right?
Riley Bowman: And so in that way, maybe that's, you know, but still, like,
Riley Bowman: this very much is geared at Glock.
Riley Bowman: But, yeah, I mean, you got Glock. You got Ruger now with the RXM.
Riley Bowman: You've got, of course, Shadow Systems has been out for a while now with their
Riley Bowman: own variant, right? And there's several others, right?
Riley Bowman: I'm just mentioning, you know, probably the three most currently popular models.
Riley Bowman: And so, yeah, very interesting to see this legislation moving forward.
Riley Bowman: But like we said, this is the new tactic, just finding another workaround.
Riley Bowman: Now let's go to New Jersey, where the, this one's, talk about,
Riley Bowman: you know, firearm owner records.
Riley Bowman: You've got. And this is, again, a Glock-related thing. So this is just crazy, Jacob.
Riley Bowman: So the New Jersey Attorney General has subpoenaed statewide firearm dealers,
Riley Bowman: for the last 10 years of their records.
Riley Bowman: So presumably, we're talking, you know, like standard, like the form you go
Riley Bowman: and fill out, 4473, okay, okay.
Riley Bowman: FFLs in New Jersey, we want your records for the last 10 years,
Riley Bowman: your 4473s for anything Glock related, buyer names, addresses,
Riley Bowman: serial numbers, and so forth.
Riley Bowman: This stems from a public nuisance lawsuit against Glock Inc.
Riley Bowman: Speaking of Glock, Davenport versus Glock is the case.
Riley Bowman: And so there's this case going on.
Riley Bowman: The Attorney General's office has requested this data as related to that case.
Riley Bowman: The problem with that is that a subpoena like this would make those records public record.
Riley Bowman: And so, yeah.
Riley Bowman: New Jerseyans, especially if you bought a Glock in the last 10 years,
Riley Bowman: your information could become publicly known to that fact.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, this is going to be a big will not comply scenario. I just think the average
Jacob Paulsen: gun store is going to be like, F you.
Jacob Paulsen: There's no world. I give you these records.
Jacob Paulsen: But I mean, on one hand, you kind of see where the attorney general is coming
Jacob Paulsen: from. Hey, we're in a lawsuit.
Jacob Paulsen: In order to justify the claim that we're making in this lawsuit,
Jacob Paulsen: we need data. We need figures.
Jacob Paulsen: That's what the court wants to see. The court wants to see how many of these
Jacob Paulsen: guns are we talking about?
Jacob Paulsen: And by the way, they're not just soliciting the transactional data,
Jacob Paulsen: who bought it, address, date, sale, firearm deed to make models,
Jacob Paulsen: certain number, caliber.
Jacob Paulsen: They're also subpoenaing information on how dealers obtained a Glock inventory,
Jacob Paulsen: contracts or agreements with Glock, communications with Glock concerning sales,
Jacob Paulsen: marketing switches or automatic fire capability, all records related to advertising and marketing.
Jacob Paulsen: So they're trying to find any evidence they can find to support their lawsuit,
Jacob Paulsen: which is that Glock knowingly made and sold a product that they knew could be
Jacob Paulsen: easily or readily converted into an illegal product.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: Right. And if they can show that because like, oh, look, the sales material
Jacob Paulsen: that they distributed to their dealers showed that it was compatible with,
Jacob Paulsen: you know, it could be converted, which is ridiculous.
Jacob Paulsen: It definitely did not show that. Glock would never do that.
Jacob Paulsen: Anyway, that's what they're trying to dig up, right? They're trying to come
Jacob Paulsen: up with data and evidence to back the claim in the lawsuit.
Jacob Paulsen: So if this had nothing to do with guns, if it was about something else entirely,
Jacob Paulsen: it might be a viable ask or subpoena in this case.
Jacob Paulsen: But because it's about guns specifically, it's a massive problem.
Jacob Paulsen: It's criminal, probably. At very least, it's highly concerning relative to your privacy.
Riley Bowman: I had to look this up, Jacob, because I was curious, like, who invented the Glock switch? Okay.
Riley Bowman: Because, I mean, to your point, like, as you're explaining, part of the case
Riley Bowman: here is, well, did Glock knowingly manufacture,
Riley Bowman: sell, market their product that it could be easily and readily converted into
Riley Bowman: essentially a machine pistol, right?
Riley Bowman: And it's like, well, Glock already made a Glock 18 going back decades now.
Riley Bowman: I mean, it is the second available model by, you know, if you know anything
Riley Bowman: about Glocks, you know that they started with the 17,
Riley Bowman: the 18 was the second thing that they made, which was a fully automatic Glock
Riley Bowman: 17 that was only intended to be marketed for military and governmental use. Okay.
Riley Bowman: And so it's like, they didn't make it knowing that a Mr.
Riley Bowman: Jorge A. Leon, a Venezuelan gunsmith, Yes.
Riley Bowman: Would invent the glock switch okay so
Riley Bowman: the glock switch was invented by jorge a
Riley Bowman: leon in 1987 a venezuelan gunsmith he was age 22 at the time intending it to
Riley Bowman: be authorized for military swat and police counterterrorism units he secured
Riley Bowman: a u.s patent for it in 1998 which expired in 2016,
Riley Bowman: there's a little bit of history on the glock switch so.
Jacob Paulsen: Well is there like isn't there
Jacob Paulsen: some reality too where these these legislatures and people
Jacob Paulsen: like they need to understand how impractical impractical
Jacob Paulsen: of a gun this this creates yeah right right like
Jacob Paulsen: like no one who cares about being effective
Jacob Paulsen: with a gun would would convert their
Jacob Paulsen: glock into fully i mean people do it for entertainment it is
Jacob Paulsen: an entertainment product maybe there's some gang
Jacob Paulsen: hoodlum intimidation coolness factor
Jacob Paulsen: that i i'm not privy to but in any practical sense like converting your glock
Jacob Paulsen: into a fully automatic effectively fully automatic gun uh is silly yeah it's
Jacob Paulsen: impractic it's not effective it's not efficient as a as a tool of anything i
Riley Bowman: Think i think there is i mean i i think what they are seeing on the streets
Riley Bowman: is gang member usage primarily.
Riley Bowman: And then it's mostly a tool of intimidation. I think that's really what it is.
Jacob Paulsen: Spraying bullets. Well, it's not good. I'm not suggesting the spraying bullets
Jacob Paulsen: on American public streets is not a public safety hazard.
Riley Bowman: Right, right, right.
Jacob Paulsen: It is. But to suggest that this is being widely adopted as a way to make these
Jacob Paulsen: guns more lethal feels a little silly.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, yeah.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. Well, hopefully.
Jacob Paulsen: And certainly our Venezuelan friend, if he thought that SWAT teams and police
Jacob Paulsen: departments everywhere were going to be like, sweet, this is a great idea.
Jacob Paulsen: I'm sure he was sorely disappointed.
Riley Bowman: It does say, and this is an article back on abcnews.com,
Riley Bowman: a number of years ago, where he expressed regret for having invented the device
Riley Bowman: because of how it's now being used. Okay. Anyway.
Riley Bowman: Hopefully your dealers in New Jersey will not comply with these subpoenas.
Riley Bowman: Because again, this is deeply concerning.
Riley Bowman: This is, yeah, those 4473s are, dealers are supposed to hold on to them for at least 10 years.
Riley Bowman: That's a record keeping purpose. I mean, that's debatable right there too.
Riley Bowman: I mean, like that's people, there's plenty of people that do not like the fact
Riley Bowman: that those are not like almost immediately threaded.
Riley Bowman: And discarded, but as of right now, that they're intended for the dealer to
Riley Bowman: have, for the dealer to have personally, not personally, but you know what I
Riley Bowman: mean, to hold within their books.
Riley Bowman: And that they can be then be audited upon by the ATF. That's it.
Riley Bowman: That's really all it's supposed to be.
Riley Bowman: To have them put out there in the public eye or view would not be good or consistent
Riley Bowman: with how those forms were intended to be used.
Riley Bowman: Hey, real quick, before we give you the last couple stories here,
Riley Bowman: we recently announced a major update, Jacob, to the Concealed Carry Gun Tools app. This is our app.
Riley Bowman: We came out with the app in 2016?
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, either 2015 or 2016.
Riley Bowman: Well, we'll just call it. It's the 10-year anniversary of the Concealed Carry
Riley Bowman: Gun Tools app. How about it?
Jacob Paulsen: Absolutely. Why not?
Riley Bowman: This has been through a number of iterations over the years.
Riley Bowman: There's been some challenges over the years.
Riley Bowman: I mean, we know this has been a passion project of ours at concealedcarry.com for a long time.
Riley Bowman: It's been important for us to have this tool available for you,
Riley Bowman: the American gun owner, concealed carriers, to have this tool in the palm of your hands.
Riley Bowman: And recently announced a major update to that.
Riley Bowman: And so we want to point it out and remind you to go to concealedcarry.com forward slash app.
Riley Bowman: Go download the app if you haven't already or if you had it and you're like,
Riley Bowman: you know, delete it. Well, get it back on your phone because there's some valid
Riley Bowman: reasons to have it on and I'll let Jacob tell you why.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, there's some things that have always been true in this app.
Jacob Paulsen: There's other features that have kind of come and gone over time as we've attempted
Jacob Paulsen: to make it something we are capable of maintaining as a business.
Jacob Paulsen: But some things that have always been there and the things that I think are
Jacob Paulsen: probably most used in that app are the Reciprocity Map Builder,
Jacob Paulsen: the Legal Reference Library, so you can pick any state and it'll give you a
Jacob Paulsen: list of all the gun laws in that state that we track as a company.
Jacob Paulsen: We do that for all 50 states plus D.C.,
Jacob Paulsen: You can also listen to the podcast episodes. You can read every article and
Jacob Paulsen: news posts that we put out.
Jacob Paulsen: And one specific feature that we recently restored in this latest update,
Jacob Paulsen: in addition to some other bug fixes and things like that, is that we put back
Jacob Paulsen: in our store, our online store.
Jacob Paulsen: Now, you can't make purchases in the app because we don't want to share your information.
Jacob Paulsen: We don't want Google and Apple to have access to who buys what gun stuff, among other things.
Jacob Paulsen: But you can browse our entire store inside our mobile app, and then you tap
Jacob Paulsen: a button and open up a product in your browser and make a purchase that way if you feel so inclined.
Jacob Paulsen: But we're trying to make it easier for you to find the gear that you need.
Jacob Paulsen: And that's one feature that was in the app once but that had been removed,
Jacob Paulsen: and your guys' request has been put back in in a much more viable way.
Jacob Paulsen: It's cleaner. It's faster. It's easier to filter by category,
Jacob Paulsen: sort based on things. and the search is also specifically very new.
Jacob Paulsen: We've never had the search before.
Jacob Paulsen: And so I think the search is really good and important. So you can just open
Jacob Paulsen: the app, tap on shop, type something in the search bar and hit go and you can
Jacob Paulsen: get good results for what you're looking for.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Yes, just like the entire search tool on our main website,
Riley Bowman: concealedcarry.com has been completely revamped and majorly improved.
Riley Bowman: That search feature in the app with the store is fantastic. If there's something
Riley Bowman: you're looking for, something you need, just type it in.
Riley Bowman: And if we got it, it'll come up in the results and you'll be able to get that,
Riley Bowman: well, on your doorstep very soon.
Riley Bowman: We are doing better than we ever have as far as shipping and fulfilling orders.
Riley Bowman: Very, very timely. And I hope that you'll take advantage of shopping right there
Riley Bowman: in the Concealed Carry Gun Tools app.
Riley Bowman: So download it at concealedcarry.com forward slash app. That'll give you all the information,
Riley Bowman: You can see everything about the app there and then click on your respective
Riley Bowman: link for Google Play or Apple App Store and download the app.
Riley Bowman: All righty, a couple more stories here. Department of Justice sues Colorado.
Riley Bowman: In fact, there's actually two simultaneously taking place lawsuits.
Riley Bowman: One against the state of Colorado on the magazine capacity limit that we have.
Riley Bowman: And the other one is against specifically the city of Denver with respect to
Riley Bowman: their assault weapons ban that they've had for quite a long time,
Riley Bowman: actually a couple, several decades in Denver. They've had that.
Riley Bowman: So Department of Justice, and
Riley Bowman: most of this is being led by Civil Rights Division chief, Harmeet Dillon.
Riley Bowman: She's been doing some excellent work there at the DOJ.
Riley Bowman: I've seen a couple of things put out by her in the last six, seven, eight months.
Riley Bowman: And I'll tell you, she's a little firecracker when it comes to this kind of stuff.
Riley Bowman: And I'm cheering her on and cheering on these lawsuits.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, so for some context, and then I think some other relevant information
Jacob Paulsen: here, the Department of Justice signaled that they were going to start looking
Jacob Paulsen: into local laws that are unconstitutional.
Jacob Paulsen: And this Civil Rights Division, I don't know if they've always had a Civil Rights Division.
Jacob Paulsen: If so, I never knew about it until recently because this Dylan,
Jacob Paulsen: she came out and she's like, hey, we're specifically looking at Second Amendment stuff.
Jacob Paulsen: Like we're on this kind of thing. and it's sort of
Jacob Paulsen: like yeah is that all talk is it not and then all of a
Jacob Paulsen: sudden letters get sent to the city of denver and the
Jacob Paulsen: state of colorado saying um these laws are not constitutional and
Jacob Paulsen: we are going to sue you if you don't get them off your books yep and the mayor
Jacob Paulsen: of the city of denver uh he has i think to quote him specifically he said hell
Jacob Paulsen: no so boom lawsuits get filed and we're going to go see how this this rolls
Jacob Paulsen: out some of you might be thinking man i wish they'd do that in my state.
Jacob Paulsen: I wish the DOJ would come to my state and file lawsuits and come after my state
Jacob Paulsen: government from our unconstitutional gun laws.
Jacob Paulsen: And to that, I have a couple of thoughts. One would be, they might be coming.
Jacob Paulsen: So be patient. They have limited capacity.
Jacob Paulsen: And second, I guess my other thought would be that they're going to be strategic
Jacob Paulsen: in terms of where they go fight a fight.
Jacob Paulsen: It's about where we can win. It's about what judges, what courts.
Jacob Paulsen: It's also going to be about like, is anybody else currently fighting this potentially?
Jacob Paulsen: That might be, I don't know. I don't know what they're thinking.
Jacob Paulsen: This is my arbitrary belief in things that they might be considering,
Jacob Paulsen: but they might be thinking, oh, well, you know, these organizations are already suing Maryland.
Jacob Paulsen: But these books on the, you know, these laws on the books in Colorado have been
Jacob Paulsen: sitting there over a decade unchallenged.
Jacob Paulsen: The state of Colorado law went into effect on 2013.
Jacob Paulsen: So no one's challenged that. Like, let's go after that one.
Jacob Paulsen: That's in a district we think that we got the right judges, and we might be
Jacob Paulsen: able to set a precedent that can be impactful.
Jacob Paulsen: Again, I don't know that they're thinking that, but there's just some considerations
Jacob Paulsen: that I think are relevant.
Riley Bowman: Well, to be fair, the magazine capacity ban or magazine capacity limit law was
Riley Bowman: challenged, but got to the state Supreme Court,
Riley Bowman: and state Supreme Court, which is not 2A friendly at all, was like, nope, sorry.
Riley Bowman: I do think there's been some other challenges filed over the years,
Riley Bowman: but nothing has really materialized from that.
Riley Bowman: But to have the federal government's Department of Justice specifically coming
Riley Bowman: at that is pretty cool to see and signals a strong play from Trump's administration
Riley Bowman: of where they stand on such things.
Riley Bowman: So, yeah, even if, again, to your point, Jacob, if you're not seeing something
Riley Bowman: similar in your respective jurisdiction or state or wherever you are,
Riley Bowman: hey, just know that this sort of thing is a good sign of things to come.
Riley Bowman: And may just be, hey, if this goes the whole way, who knows?
Riley Bowman: Maybe something makes it to the Supreme Court to overturn things on more of
Riley Bowman: a national level that has play for California and New York and Maryland and Virginia now.
Riley Bowman: They're passing their own magazine capacity law and all that, right? Yeah.
Riley Bowman: There you go. A couple more here. NRA files lawsuit challenging the federal post office carry ban.
Riley Bowman: A while back, Jacob, we reported on the ruling out of the Fifth Circuit.
Riley Bowman: It was actually, I think, the North Texas District or something.
Riley Bowman: And, of course, out of that basically came that, hey, no post office.
Riley Bowman: And that was specifically, I think, a challenge by the firearms policy coalition. abolition.
Riley Bowman: And so kind of a thing there is, you know, you got to live in Texas and,
Riley Bowman: and, you know, be a member of FPC or whatever.
Riley Bowman: And I think Second Amendment Foundation may have been a part of that as well
Riley Bowman: to then, you know, be considered or included within that injunction or whatever it was.
Riley Bowman: But now we've got, we got the NRA filing lawsuit challenging this on the federal
Riley Bowman: level. And it's not just NRA.
Riley Bowman: Gun Owners of America also involved. Gun Owners Foundation also involved.
Riley Bowman: And then specifically, you've got three NRA members filing this.
Riley Bowman: And this was filed in the Western District of Pennsylvania.
Riley Bowman: So basically the argument here is that the Bruin ruling is kind of the basis
Riley Bowman: here that post offices in America have existed since 1639.
Riley Bowman: And the carry ban wasn't enacted until 1972.
Riley Bowman: So the idea being that, yeah, there's not a historical precedent for this.
Riley Bowman: So challenging under Bruin.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It's funny because I just think there's some irony that we
Jacob Paulsen: have the DOJ filing lawsuits against states, you know, who have anti-gun laws.
Jacob Paulsen: But then in order to challenge a federal law that we think is unconstitutional, we have to sue the DOJ.
Riley Bowman: Yes. Touche. Touche.
Jacob Paulsen: So anyway we'll see how that would that would unfolds this
Jacob Paulsen: is the kind of thing where because it's you know the doj cannot just say yeah
Jacob Paulsen: no you're right we're cool we accept we we lose you you win because we're we're
Jacob Paulsen: we're attacking uh legislation yeah uh u.s code so there's more to it than than
Jacob Paulsen: the doj just saying it's cool you can have this one
Riley Bowman: Yeah apparently there's a challenge also in
Riley Bowman: florida and uh the doj dropped the florida
Riley Bowman: appeal in that case uh now there
Riley Bowman: i've heard the the theory put out there and there's a i forget what the name
Riley Bowman: is that uh mark smith gave this um a four boxes diner but he was explaining
Riley Bowman: he's like you know sometimes people get upset with the doj when they fight against
Riley Bowman: some of these lawsuits uh because you know to your point jacob this kind Kind of this irony of,
Riley Bowman: well, they're suing Denver and Colorado on these Second Amendment issues,
Riley Bowman: but meanwhile are being sued in these other Second Amendment issues and are fighting those cases.
Riley Bowman: And the...
Riley Bowman: Mark Smith talked about this in a video I thought was really well done.
Riley Bowman: That's why I'm referencing him specifically, where he explained the strategy.
Riley Bowman: It goes back actually to the Obama administration where they took a similar
Riley Bowman: approach with a lawsuit.
Riley Bowman: The Obama administration actually agreed with, but if they just kind of like,
Riley Bowman: eh, we're not going to get in your way of this, then it doesn't actually go
Riley Bowman: the whole way of making it to those higher courts to then actually get a really definitive ruling.
Riley Bowman: And so that could be part of the strategy with some of these other cases is
Riley Bowman: that the DOJ has got to push back some so that things fight their way up through
Riley Bowman: the various district courts, federal courts, appeals courts,
Riley Bowman: and all the way up to hopefully the Supreme Court to get something completely
Riley Bowman: on a nationwide level overturned.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, otherwise the next administration can walk in and basically do whatever
Jacob Paulsen: they want. Right, exactly.
Jacob Paulsen: If it ended there, then it can change like that.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. So I don't know. We'll see how this case out of Pennsylvania goes with
Riley Bowman: respect to overturning the federal post office carry ban.
Riley Bowman: Now, more news out of Maryland. I referenced this towards the beginning of the
Riley Bowman: episode, referencing sensitive places.
Riley Bowman: But a cert petition was filed in Kipke versus Moore asking the Supreme Court
Riley Bowman: of the United States to review Maryland's post-Bruin sensitive places law.
Riley Bowman: So Maryland, they've restricted carry in places like state parks,
Riley Bowman: government buildings, museums, transit, public transit, health care facilities,
Riley Bowman: schools, stadiums, casinos, alcohol serving locations. and within 1,000 feet
Riley Bowman: of any public demonstration.
Riley Bowman: And so the petition argues that lower courts are systematically using sensitive
Riley Bowman: places, those carve-outs, to gut Bruin's core holding.
Riley Bowman: So essentially arguing that, okay, well, we have Bruin, but if you strip away
Riley Bowman: all of these publicly accessible venues and...
Riley Bowman: And keep people from being able to carry in those, then what's the point, right?
Riley Bowman: So challenging these laws, these sensitive places laws in the wake of Bruin
Riley Bowman: and seeing if, you know, we can get some of this, get a little bit more.
Riley Bowman: Or because I don't know, Jacob, if I ever see a world where we,
Riley Bowman: you know, like where there's no restrictions,
Riley Bowman: like I think there's always going to be some amount of, like,
Riley Bowman: I think we're always going to probably have government buildings,
Riley Bowman: for instance, that exist that are off limits to carrying a gun. Okay.
Riley Bowman: Unless you're, you know, law enforcement or whatever. Right.
Riley Bowman: Like airports are probably always going to be off limits. Well,
Riley Bowman: maybe not necessarily the airports themselves, but you know,
Riley Bowman: I mean like secure areas within the airport and planes and so forth are probably
Riley Bowman: always going to be off limits to having a carrying a gun with you onto that plane. Right.
Riley Bowman: And so, but I think this is more about, okay, where are the limits?
Riley Bowman: Where do we draw the line? And can we establish some reasonable ones?
Riley Bowman: Because currently Maryland and New York and California and Hawaii and these
Riley Bowman: places are trying to create these sensitive places. And we're seeing that a
Riley Bowman: little bit, even to some extent here in Colorado, we've definitely seen more
Riley Bowman: restrictions in recent years than what we had in the past.
Riley Bowman: And so, you know, where do we draw the lines?
Jacob Paulsen: I think that's really well said. I don't know that I'd add much to that, right?
Jacob Paulsen: I mean, this Maryland lawsuit is a second lawsuit. The first lawsuit already
Jacob Paulsen: established that some of the sensitive places that were lined up in that legislation
Jacob Paulsen: were not constitutional.
Jacob Paulsen: And so those were, you know, killed.
Jacob Paulsen: But the petitioners are basically saying, we're not satisfied with that ruling.
Jacob Paulsen: Like, we think more of these sensitive places are unconstitutional than what
Jacob Paulsen: the previous court decided.
Jacob Paulsen: So, you know, continuing to escalate that is a good thing.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. We've seen some similar things in New York where it was,
Riley Bowman: you know, like they want to put everything on this list of all these different
Riley Bowman: places. And I think you've seen something similar in Hawaii.
Riley Bowman: And so then those governments, those state-level governments especially,
Riley Bowman: are kind of like, okay, we'll pull back a little bit.
Riley Bowman: But they're going to be constantly pushing that threshold, so to speak, you know, where that is.
Riley Bowman: So, I don't know. We'll see where this challenge goes. yeah,
Riley Bowman: finally well okay we do have a bit of good news here at the end I'm going to
Riley Bowman: cover this real quick Jacob out of Minnesota all right because this is super
Riley Bowman: fast the legislature adjourned and every single gun control bill was defeated and that is big news.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, and there were a lot of nasties.
Riley Bowman: There were a lot of nasties in Minnesota.
Jacob Paulsen: We kind of had Virginia and Minnesota as opposite outcomes this year.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very, very good point. Virginia is like, go on.
Jacob Paulsen: Pass them all.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, going hard in the paint on anti-2A legislation.
Riley Bowman: Minnesota was trying, but ultimately, and by the way, there were some people
Riley Bowman: doing some good work on the ground there.
Riley Bowman: Minnesota, what is it? Minnesota gun owners or Minnesota? yeah, I think it's Minnesota.
Riley Bowman: Anyway, some, some pro two way organizations in Minnesota really working it hard there.
Riley Bowman: I know I saw some stuff from like John and Sarah Hauptman from Philster involved
Riley Bowman: in some of those efforts and some other friends also that really,
Riley Bowman: you know, we're, we're getting fired up about that.
Riley Bowman: Ultimately all those bills were defeated.
Riley Bowman: And so that was really good news, but I wanted to share that. Oh, go ahead, Jacob.
Jacob Paulsen: I was going to say, Minnesota is a very interesting state, politically speaking.
Jacob Paulsen: It's a very just bizarre kind of place in some respects.
Jacob Paulsen: And so it was definitely just – I didn't have a sense for how it was going to
Jacob Paulsen: go. And so I'm very thrilled.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Yeah. Likewise. And it's good to have a bit of good news amongst all of
Riley Bowman: the not-so-good news we just covered.
Riley Bowman: To close this up and bid everyone adieu, I wanted to end here.
Riley Bowman: It basically points you all to an article.
Riley Bowman: It should be in the show notes. That includes even on Facebook and YouTube.
Riley Bowman: It should be linked in the description of these videos.
Riley Bowman: But this was a really interesting article published on StephenHalbrook.com.
Riley Bowman: The title of it is, How a Fake Citation Misled Courts to Uphold Sensitive Place Gun Bans.
Riley Bowman: And basically, at the core of this article, he's talking about how sloppy. Okay, so let me back up.
Riley Bowman: Everyone knows now we're in a world of AI, right?
Riley Bowman: Heck, Jacob and I are even users, consumers of AI technology.
Riley Bowman: And it's been beneficial to us personally and also in our business.
Riley Bowman: And I won't go into specifics on that. But just know, like, and I think that
Riley Bowman: there is a place in our world where responsible use of AI is a good thing.
Riley Bowman: Like can make our world a better place.
Riley Bowman: I think that's true of just about any technological advance.
Riley Bowman: Like there's new technology all the time and that technology can be used as
Riley Bowman: a benefit to humanity and it can also be taken too far or used in the wrong
Riley Bowman: way and can be a detriment as well, right?
Riley Bowman: And so, but basically what's going on here, Stephen Halbrook's point is what
Riley Bowman: we're actually seeing is you have courts.
Riley Bowman: And we're talking about at every level,
Riley Bowman: but especially at the federal level where courts and attorneys and judges and
Riley Bowman: law clerks that are doing all
Riley Bowman: the work behind the scenes to research stuff are using AI to help in that.
Riley Bowman: And AI can be hugely beneficial to take a ton of information,
Riley Bowman: condense it, analyze it, summarize it, help make sense of it.
Riley Bowman: And that could be a good thing, right?
Riley Bowman: But the problem is, is you always have to vet the quality of the work that the
Riley Bowman: artificial intelligence does.
Riley Bowman: You need to vet the sources that it uses or the claims that it uses and so on and so forth.
Riley Bowman: Like you basically have to double check its work. And so,
Riley Bowman: but what's happening is we're seeing in actual courts,
Riley Bowman: in cases where AI is being used and is getting things wrong and is then being used in rulings.
Riley Bowman: That is not maybe going in our favor on certain, particularly Second Amendment
Riley Bowman: issues. And he specifically calls out instances where, you know,
Riley Bowman: you have the Bruin case, right?
Riley Bowman: This Bruin, this historical standard that was created through Bruin,
Riley Bowman: which means that for so many of these cases, these attorneys,
Riley Bowman: these clerks, these judges have to go and do historical research to see,
Riley Bowman: is there a precedent for this historically or not? Where did this start?
Riley Bowman: Historically, whatever issue it is, they're researching.
Riley Bowman: And AI can help with that. But if AI gets it wrong, then you can see where the
Riley Bowman: negative implications could come in, right? Right.
Riley Bowman: And so specifically, there's this Antoniuk, I guess is how you say it, case.
Riley Bowman: And it referenced founding era North Carolina and Virginia laws where there were carry bans.
Riley Bowman: And Halbrook's like, well, that's kind of true, but also there's more context
Riley Bowman: and nuance to those laws that were passed way back.
Riley Bowman: And he says the way those laws were written were to target armed,
Riley Bowman: they were supposed to target those that were armed to the, quote, terror of the people.
Riley Bowman: And he's saying that's a much narrower standard than how it's being used in some of these cases.
Riley Bowman: And so, anyway, I don't want to, you know, we're actually over time with respect
Riley Bowman: to the length of the episode here today. But I wanted to kind of give you a
Riley Bowman: little bit of a taste and point you to that article and say,
Riley Bowman: go read that. It's interesting.
Riley Bowman: And it's also deeply concerning and something we probably ought to be raising
Riley Bowman: attention to a little bit more. But Jacob, any thoughts on that?
Jacob Paulsen: I don't work in the legal profession. You know, I'm not a clerk of a court.
Jacob Paulsen: I'm not a judge. I'm not an attorney.
Jacob Paulsen: I'm not, you know, part of some bar association.
Jacob Paulsen: So, yeah, I guess the best I could do is just say that regardless of what profession you're in,
Jacob Paulsen: whether you run a website to sell
Jacob Paulsen: some gun stuff or you're a judge or an attorney or whatever it is you do,
Jacob Paulsen: like you need to be cautious with
Jacob Paulsen: the use of ai and you need to vet sources you
Jacob Paulsen: know you need to really do your research and understand um what
Jacob Paulsen: what's being output uh because if not
Jacob Paulsen: you know it's going to smack you in the face and i think that that's what we're
Jacob Paulsen: seeing here like if you're a judge in a court like it's your job to determine
Jacob Paulsen: the truth of things and so you have to vet this stuff you got to do your research
Jacob Paulsen: and looking at some law that was written in north carolina in the 1500s,
Jacob Paulsen: hundreds of years before the Second Amendment became, you know, an amendment to the U.S.
Jacob Paulsen: Constitution, and not understanding the context in which that was written and
Jacob Paulsen: whether or not it continued past the Second Amendment is just outright malfeasance
Jacob Paulsen: in terms of jurisprudence.
Jacob Paulsen: So, yeah, get it right.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Yeah.
Riley Bowman: So anyway, these are the kind of issues we're dealing with in today's world.
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Jacob Paulsen: Yep, game on.
Riley Bowman: So we'll wrap this one up and bid you adieu. Have a great weekend.
Riley Bowman: And yeah, about to enter the month of June, which is kind of an exciting thing,
Riley Bowman: Jacob, because so what happens at the end of June? July.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, it's true. Good job, Riley.
Riley Bowman: At the beginning of July, we get to celebrate essentially the 250th birthday of our nation.
Jacob Paulsen: That was a stretch of why we should celebrate June, but you're not wrong.
Riley Bowman: I'm excited. I'm excited that that's fast approaching.
Riley Bowman: So I think we should probably do something
Riley Bowman: special for the podcast for the celebration of our nation's birth.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, we should.
Riley Bowman: So anyway, guys, until next time, a reminder to train right,
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