WEBVTT 00:00:15.522 --> 00:00:16.642 And welcome to the Concealed Carry 00:00:16.642 --> 00:00:20.862 Podcast, part of the ConcealedCarry.com network, brought to you by HK. 00:00:21.922 --> 00:00:26.222 Today is Thursday, May 7th, 2026, as of the live recording of this episode. 00:00:26.582 --> 00:00:30.442 I am your host, Riley Bowman, and I'm joined today by Jacob Paulson. 00:00:31.022 --> 00:00:31.902 Howdy, howdy, howdy. 00:00:32.842 --> 00:00:35.782 He is the man who likes to say howdy, howdy, howdy on the podcast. 00:00:36.082 --> 00:00:36.702 It's true. 00:00:37.202 --> 00:00:38.122 And sometimes on the phone. 00:00:38.522 --> 00:00:41.582 Every time I say it, I picture that shark in Toy Story. 00:00:45.582 --> 00:00:51.642 Howdy, howdy, howdy. Well, howdy, everybody. Glad to be with you for another episode. 00:00:52.662 --> 00:00:56.702 We've got, I think, an excellent topic planned for you today. 00:00:56.762 --> 00:01:00.042 We're going to be talking about carrying in your vehicle, what to do in your 00:01:00.042 --> 00:01:01.902 vehicle with your gun. All right. 00:01:02.222 --> 00:01:04.502 Best practices, biggest mistakes. 00:01:04.842 --> 00:01:09.262 We're going to break down all of it as best we can in roughly the next hour 00:01:09.262 --> 00:01:10.102 or a little less than an hour. 00:01:11.342 --> 00:01:14.142 So glad to be with you. We'll get into that topic momentarily. 00:01:14.142 --> 00:01:19.382 But first, we've got a couple of episode sponsors today we're going to talk about with you. 00:01:20.002 --> 00:01:24.602 First things first, we are talking about vehicles. Okay, so we've got the Vehicle 00:01:24.602 --> 00:01:26.562 Firearm Tactics course, a video 00:01:26.562 --> 00:01:30.442 course, online course at concealedcarry.com. We want to point you to. 00:01:30.702 --> 00:01:35.382 That's a great place to go for kind of your next steps, I guess, 00:01:35.402 --> 00:01:41.142 or at least some next info on stuff with firearms and vehicles and all that. 00:01:41.342 --> 00:01:43.502 But that's a little more tactics oriented. 00:01:44.142 --> 00:01:47.742 You can check it out at concealedcarry.com forward slash VFT. 00:01:49.038 --> 00:01:51.938 Vehicle firearm tactics concealed carry.com forward slash 00:01:51.938 --> 00:01:54.898 vft it's actually one of our oldest video 00:01:54.898 --> 00:01:58.418 courses that lives in the guardian university library 00:01:58.418 --> 00:02:01.418 filmed that in 2017 i 00:02:01.418 --> 00:02:04.638 think i think so early early 2017 yeah it's 00:02:04.638 --> 00:02:07.478 a long time ago now something that we uh hope to 00:02:07.478 --> 00:02:10.398 revisit at some point but uh you know 00:02:10.398 --> 00:02:13.278 we've had some trusted folks review that for us 00:02:13.278 --> 00:02:16.498 and and say it's still pretty good info so uh 00:02:16.498 --> 00:02:20.398 we keep uh pushing people to watch vehicle farm tactics hope you go check it 00:02:20.398 --> 00:02:25.738 out uh you can find it again at concealedcarry.com forward slash vft or if you 00:02:25.738 --> 00:02:29.878 just go to concealedcarry.com and go to guardian university you can find it 00:02:29.878 --> 00:02:34.898 listed in the courses there as well it's available for free or at least included 00:02:34.898 --> 00:02:36.278 in guardian nation membership 00:02:36.818 --> 00:02:41.018 where you can buy it a la carte that's the other way to go anything else you 00:02:41.018 --> 00:02:44.318 want to say about the vehicle firearm tactics course yeah 00:02:44.318 --> 00:02:48.358 He should be a member of guardian nation so you can get access to it and all our other courses. 00:02:48.358 --> 00:02:49.618 Absolutely 00:02:51.019 --> 00:02:58.419 And for our second, kind of a big, this is actually a new sponsorship we're introducing to you. 00:02:58.539 --> 00:03:01.339 Jacob, you want to take the lead on that? Sure. What do we got? 00:03:02.499 --> 00:03:07.159 Vara Safety. Vera? Vara? I assume it's Vara. I guess I never asked. 00:03:07.779 --> 00:03:09.619 Yeah, I probably should have asked before we went live. 00:03:09.899 --> 00:03:12.819 Yeah. So Vara, we're going to go Vara. Vara Safety. 00:03:13.099 --> 00:03:16.339 I don't know. I always read it. I never talk to them about it. 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:20.519 But Vara Safety actually, this is really interesting. because I was actually 00:03:20.519 --> 00:03:22.839 a little bit hesitant about this product. 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:29.419 Matthew Marrister reviewed the original VAR Safety Reach, which is kind of a 00:03:29.419 --> 00:03:32.819 handgun mounting system, many years ago. 00:03:32.999 --> 00:03:34.919 And I thought, oh, that's interesting, you know, kind of thing. 00:03:34.999 --> 00:03:36.299 But I've never touched it. 00:03:36.579 --> 00:03:39.779 And so then when we decided to kind of play with this and learn about it more, 00:03:39.959 --> 00:03:44.059 and we got it in, you and I spent, I don't know, probably an hour just fiddling with this thing. Yeah. 00:03:44.539 --> 00:03:49.019 And I was pleasantly surprised. I think, to understand VAR's approach, 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:51.899 you have to understand this is not a gun safe. 00:03:52.119 --> 00:03:59.159 It's a firearm securing thing, but it's not a gun safe in the traditional sense. 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:04.999 And it's all about, I think that the premise around this product is, 00:04:05.692 --> 00:04:10.392 Make the gun as accessible fast, like scream fast. 00:04:10.612 --> 00:04:14.392 Speed is like at the core fundamental of the belief of this product, 00:04:14.972 --> 00:04:16.412 but still make it secure. 00:04:16.732 --> 00:04:19.812 Like don't allow kids to walk in and pick it up and walk out with it. 00:04:19.952 --> 00:04:23.452 Don't allow the bad guy to grab it and yank it out of you, yank it out, 00:04:23.572 --> 00:04:28.772 but make it so that when you go to get the gun, it's like Speedy Gonzales speed fast. 00:04:29.252 --> 00:04:34.172 And so try to describe this for someone who can't see it or has never seen one before. 00:04:34.812 --> 00:04:38.712 Imagine it's like like a holster box 00:04:38.712 --> 00:04:41.792 thing that you mount against something like 00:04:41.792 --> 00:04:44.492 maybe against your bed or your nightstand your desk or 00:04:44.492 --> 00:04:47.972 whatever it is uh we'll talk about the vehicle more and 00:04:47.972 --> 00:04:50.992 once it's it's mounted the gun goes 00:04:50.992 --> 00:04:53.812 into it and it's it's locked in there and while the gun's 00:04:53.812 --> 00:04:56.532 in there it is it is very safe in fact that was one 00:04:56.532 --> 00:05:00.432 of the first things me and riley we looked at right it's like is this a situation 00:05:00.432 --> 00:05:04.132 where someone could stick a knife in here a pen in here and still get the gun 00:05:04.132 --> 00:05:09.732 to fire while it's in the thing the answer seems pretty clearly no like it's 00:05:09.732 --> 00:05:13.632 pretty they're they have these shells that are kind of gun specific anyway i'm 00:05:13.632 --> 00:05:14.652 getting maybe too detailed. 00:05:15.672 --> 00:05:18.352 But the the gun's locked in there but the grip of 00:05:18.352 --> 00:05:22.072 the gun is exposed so if you walked if i had this set up in my bedroom and you 00:05:22.072 --> 00:05:25.792 walked in and looked at it on my bed you'd be like oh like that's a gun like 00:05:25.792 --> 00:05:30.132 you can see the grip of the gun exposed and you can you can acquire your grip 00:05:30.132 --> 00:05:36.232 in your hand as you're going to unlock it and release it from the system. 00:05:36.572 --> 00:05:41.252 And it is a biometric system. So, you know, you're, you're, you're putting your 00:05:41.252 --> 00:05:44.332 thumb down as you're acquiring your grip on that gun. 00:05:44.712 --> 00:05:48.892 And it is as advertised speedy fast. 00:05:49.921 --> 00:05:51.941 It's just the gun and you can pull it out. 00:05:52.301 --> 00:05:56.281 I mean, so the way I think of this is this is essentially a holster for your 00:05:56.281 --> 00:06:01.801 gun because, you know, it's customized holster type inserts that, 00:06:01.801 --> 00:06:04.641 you know, you need to order the one that's specific to your gun. 00:06:04.801 --> 00:06:09.621 So if it's a Glock or an HK or whatever, Smith & Wesson, you order the one for your gun. 00:06:10.161 --> 00:06:14.261 To be clear, unfortunately, there are some models that are, you know, 00:06:14.321 --> 00:06:17.961 some of your more obscure models are likely to not be supported. 00:06:18.841 --> 00:06:21.981 But I know that that's important for them to have as many as possible. 00:06:22.181 --> 00:06:24.361 And you'll see there's quite a list when you go to the website. 00:06:25.561 --> 00:06:30.981 But you choose the one for your gun. And to your point, we looked at that very closely. 00:06:31.381 --> 00:06:34.361 Hey, how securely does this fit the gun? 00:06:35.181 --> 00:06:38.241 Does it truly prevent access to the trigger? Which, of course, 00:06:38.261 --> 00:06:42.001 we know is the most critical component here as far as safety goes with that. 00:06:42.361 --> 00:06:47.561 And, yeah, we're very confident that it's safe, that it meets that standard of that. 00:06:47.561 --> 00:06:53.701 So anyway, you've got a holster that fits your gun that now it locks into with 00:06:53.701 --> 00:06:59.441 a biometric fingerprint scanner that you can program to just be you or any number 00:06:59.441 --> 00:07:02.401 of trusted individuals that could theoretically have access. 00:07:02.961 --> 00:07:06.581 And that scanner, by the way, reads your fingerprint. 00:07:06.781 --> 00:07:09.441 You don't have to push a button. This was really important to me, 00:07:09.521 --> 00:07:11.261 Jacob. We talked about this. 00:07:12.021 --> 00:07:17.481 That there's some biometric, actually virtually not all, but most of the biometric 00:07:17.481 --> 00:07:22.621 scanners I've seen on similar type products or pistol vault products require 00:07:22.621 --> 00:07:26.041 you to like push a button to essentially turn it on and start reading a fingerprint. 00:07:26.681 --> 00:07:32.061 And in this case, you just touch that little fingerprint pad and boom, 00:07:32.241 --> 00:07:37.981 0.2 seconds is how quickly it registers and says yes or no and unlocks your gun. 00:07:38.361 --> 00:07:45.261 That's how fast. And so that was really important that, one, it is actually fast. 00:07:45.601 --> 00:07:48.341 Number two, that it's reliable, which we've tested in as long. 00:07:48.521 --> 00:07:49.401 I mean, it's pretty good. 00:07:49.841 --> 00:07:54.721 If you do your part and put your finger in the right place, it'll read your fingerprint. 00:07:55.401 --> 00:08:00.041 It's possible you don't quite get your thumb or whatever on there just right. 00:08:00.321 --> 00:08:04.601 But if you practice this, just like you practice grabbing your gun in your holster 00:08:04.601 --> 00:08:08.641 on your body, like that's, you know, part of training. You do it, 00:08:08.701 --> 00:08:12.941 you practice it, make it so that it happens consistently. It'll work for you. 00:08:14.621 --> 00:08:20.061 So holster, biometric, locks it in, releases it only when you need it to or 00:08:20.061 --> 00:08:22.901 want it to, and you can mount it to, like you said, your bed, 00:08:23.401 --> 00:08:26.421 the frame of your bed, your nightstand, or in your vehicle. 00:08:26.521 --> 00:08:30.501 There's a vehicle mount, which we're excited to get our hands on and play with 00:08:30.501 --> 00:08:32.681 as well, just to see how that works. 00:08:32.821 --> 00:08:36.441 And that's kind of the relevance to today's episode, as we talk about what do 00:08:36.441 --> 00:08:40.801 you do with your gun, carrying a gun, whatever, staging your gun in your vehicle. 00:08:41.581 --> 00:08:48.281 And I think we'll probably reference back to this Vara Safety Reach 2S, the name of the product. 00:08:49.714 --> 00:08:52.834 I was just going to add a couple other little quick data points before we get off of it. 00:08:53.154 --> 00:09:00.494 The handgun one, the Reach 2S, it says it withstands 350 pounds of force. 00:09:00.634 --> 00:09:03.834 You and I didn't test it up to 350 pounds. But, I mean, you're not. 00:09:04.014 --> 00:09:07.914 Like, if you try to grab the gun and just yank it out, by manhandle, 00:09:08.074 --> 00:09:11.914 force it out, that's how much force it would require, 350 pounds. 00:09:12.274 --> 00:09:15.174 So that's pretty significant. Like, it feels pretty locked in there. 00:09:15.334 --> 00:09:17.474 And, you know, I wanted to add. 00:09:19.234 --> 00:09:23.294 So if you can do a 450-pound deadlift, you should be able to. 00:09:23.674 --> 00:09:26.994 Yeah, sure. For those of you who are listening who can do that. 00:09:29.394 --> 00:09:33.274 The other thing, of course, those people probably could also just peel open my gun safe. 00:09:35.854 --> 00:09:39.374 But you mentioned as long as you get your thumb in the right spot for the biometric. 00:09:39.574 --> 00:09:42.174 And we did a lot of testing with that. And there is some margin of error. 00:09:43.334 --> 00:09:45.934 It's a circle. And so I felt like if I got my thumb... 00:09:47.193 --> 00:09:52.573 And 70% over that circle, I could get it done. 50% starts to get like, 00:09:52.673 --> 00:09:55.073 sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. 00:09:55.433 --> 00:09:58.433 Less than half, I felt like that was the margin of like, nope, 00:09:58.593 --> 00:10:00.973 we're not reading enough of your finger. 00:10:01.173 --> 00:10:04.713 And we could not get a false negative. We tried opening it with a lot of fingers 00:10:04.713 --> 00:10:08.193 that are not the fingers we programmed, and we couldn't get it to open. 00:10:08.293 --> 00:10:09.473 So that's noteworthy too. 00:10:09.773 --> 00:10:13.573 Yeah, that false positive thing, that is something that's been a huge problem 00:10:13.573 --> 00:10:16.613 with biometric readers on similar products in the past. 00:10:16.613 --> 00:10:20.733 And some that I, I mean, I've got one that at home that is just, 00:10:20.873 --> 00:10:25.933 it's probably at least once, if not two times out of 10, 00:10:26.193 --> 00:10:31.653 you know, it might be worse than that even like it is not one I rely upon for quick access to my gut. 00:10:31.733 --> 00:10:35.053 It just happens to be a convenient pistol vault, you know, that sometimes it 00:10:35.053 --> 00:10:36.813 needs to, you know, need to stash things in there. 00:10:36.953 --> 00:10:40.173 But yeah, this one, as long as you do your part, like I said, 00:10:40.353 --> 00:10:42.913 it is impressively reliable. 00:10:42.913 --> 00:10:45.973 Uh i don't have a percentage on that but it 00:10:45.973 --> 00:10:49.233 is highly reliable if you get your finger in the right spot uh 00:10:49.233 --> 00:10:55.813 which by the way is you naturally grab the gun your thumb ends up really i mean 00:10:55.813 --> 00:11:01.273 it's not in my ideal location but again with some practice and and you know 00:11:01.273 --> 00:11:05.113 doing that repetitively it is really close to where your thumb wants to end 00:11:05.113 --> 00:11:08.353 up as you're grabbing the gun so that's cool yep 00:11:08.353 --> 00:11:12.993 Last comment uh we've been primarily talking about the reach 2s yeah but they 00:11:12.993 --> 00:11:17.153 also have a rifle thing called the r-a-c-t it stands for something i already 00:11:17.153 --> 00:11:21.353 forgot the racked it's it's an acronym though well. 00:11:21.353 --> 00:11:22.613 I'll have it here for you in a second 00:11:22.613 --> 00:11:25.373 Yeah i i remember that i know what 00:11:25.373 --> 00:11:29.013 i knew what it was and i already forgot but the uh the racked is cool too and 00:11:29.013 --> 00:11:33.113 it's you know kind of a wall mount similar concept you know and and they actually 00:11:33.113 --> 00:11:37.373 have that one available the digital keypad or a biometric the one we got for 00:11:37.373 --> 00:11:43.333 testing is biometric and just as you know effective just as quality just as 00:11:43.333 --> 00:11:45.133 durable you know all the things. 00:11:46.996 --> 00:11:50.076 I did not come up with the answer on what racked stands for, 00:11:50.216 --> 00:11:55.436 but I'm going to guess like, I don't know, ready access something. 00:11:55.676 --> 00:11:57.936 Anyway, no, it's cool. It is super cool product. 00:11:58.196 --> 00:12:06.036 And to have a AR or a shotgun or a rifle mounted right there on the wall within 00:12:06.036 --> 00:12:08.696 arm's reach of, say, where you sleep or whatever at night. 00:12:09.276 --> 00:12:12.316 And that one, yeah, same thing. Works so fast. 00:12:12.456 --> 00:12:18.296 0.2 seconds. You just touch the keypad or the fingerprint pad and it unlocks right away. 00:12:18.496 --> 00:12:21.376 I'm quite impressed with how that's designed. There's a lot of thought that's 00:12:21.376 --> 00:12:27.436 gone into it to make sure that it is, again, properly and securely protecting 00:12:27.436 --> 00:12:31.896 that firearm from access from people you don't want accessing it. 00:12:32.016 --> 00:12:35.696 Preventing it from being able to be taken because of the way it mounts to the wall. 00:12:36.436 --> 00:12:40.536 Preventing access to the trigger guard again. So all of that seems like a really 00:12:40.536 --> 00:12:43.196 well done product. It's actually sitting right over here. 00:12:43.456 --> 00:12:47.876 Just, you know, in the corner there of the room I'm in here. And it's a cool product. 00:12:48.076 --> 00:12:51.116 And for those who are, you know, most of you are listening, not watching, 00:12:51.296 --> 00:12:56.436 but Riley did record kind of an unboxing video review that was really a nice 00:12:56.436 --> 00:12:57.436 walkthrough of this product. 00:12:57.456 --> 00:13:01.896 And that'll get published later today on the site. So you can watch for that. 00:13:02.476 --> 00:13:08.416 Cool. Yeah. So where should people go if they want to learn more about Vara Safety's products? 00:13:08.416 --> 00:13:21.236 Yeah, you should go to Vara, V-A-R-A, VaraSafety.com, V-A-R-A-S-A-F-E-T-Y.com. 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.699 We appreciate them sponsoring this episode today of the concealed carry 00:13:25.699 --> 00:13:28.659 podcast and uh they would not be a sponsor if 00:13:28.659 --> 00:13:31.759 we did not get our hands on their products and come away thinking okay those 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:34.379 are actually really good products if we didn't believe in them 00:13:34.379 --> 00:13:37.179 we would not be uh mentioning them on the podcast here today 00:13:37.179 --> 00:13:40.819 let's now talk about carrying in your vehicle jacob mistakes 00:13:40.819 --> 00:13:44.539 best practices uh we're i 00:13:44.539 --> 00:13:47.239 mean okay i'll set it up this way you and 00:13:47.239 --> 00:13:50.599 i i know are in agreement on this as 00:13:50.599 --> 00:13:53.639 a general practice the best way to carry 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:56.819 a gun in your vehicle is on 00:13:56.819 --> 00:14:00.239 your person just like you do all the 00:14:00.239 --> 00:14:06.739 other times right 100 and so like that's that's where i would start with this 00:14:06.739 --> 00:14:10.719 is that like that's the optimal that's the ideal that's like that's what i do 00:14:10.719 --> 00:14:15.299 i mean i don't i just i've got a gun here in my holster on my waistband and 00:14:15.299 --> 00:14:18.659 you know whether i'm in the car out of the car, that's where it lives. 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:21.839 That's where it lives all day long for the moment I get up and get dressed to 00:14:21.839 --> 00:14:23.239 them, you know, when I go to bed. 00:14:23.859 --> 00:14:27.219 So that's my approach. That's how I do it. 00:14:27.739 --> 00:14:34.259 But are there times and places where maybe there's other considerations or things 00:14:34.259 --> 00:14:35.779 that, you know, we need to do? 00:14:35.939 --> 00:14:39.739 I mean, just one simple example would be if you need to exit the vehicle 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:45.939 to go into some kind of secure space, whether it's a federal building of some 00:14:45.939 --> 00:14:48.039 kind, and you're Like, let's say the post office, let's say, 00:14:48.119 --> 00:14:50.479 although that's kind of, you know, we've got a court case that's, 00:14:50.539 --> 00:14:53.739 you know, but anyway, you know what I mean? Like you go somewhere, 00:14:53.839 --> 00:14:54.779 you need to disarm yourself. 00:14:54.939 --> 00:14:59.279 I mean, the daily thing that I typically experience is having to pick up my 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.919 kids or drop them off at school each day, right? 00:15:02.539 --> 00:15:06.739 And I don't have, you know, the authority, you know, unfortunately under the 00:15:06.739 --> 00:15:09.639 law to carry on school grounds. 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.639 So I've got to, you know, remove my gun for me and secure it somehow. 00:15:14.359 --> 00:15:16.919 And so how would we go about doing that? out what are the best practices and 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.419 what are the mistakes people make so there you go that's that's the setup yeah 00:15:21.912 --> 00:15:25.832 I think that there are exceptions. You mentioned just needing a place to secure 00:15:25.832 --> 00:15:27.052 it in the car, and that's relevant. 00:15:28.252 --> 00:15:31.852 I know at least two people are listening to this, loyal listeners of our podcast, 00:15:32.032 --> 00:15:35.692 because they've emailed us in the past, who are long-haul truck drivers. 00:15:35.952 --> 00:15:36.312 Yeah. 00:15:37.032 --> 00:15:41.952 And so I'm not a long-haul truck driver, never been one, never hung out with 00:15:41.952 --> 00:15:43.252 one, never been in the truck with one. 00:15:43.652 --> 00:15:47.932 But I guess the point I'm trying to make is that there could be situations or 00:15:47.932 --> 00:15:54.632 scenarios where there is some sensible like reality of it makes sense to have 00:15:54.632 --> 00:16:02.752 a kind of designated staging spot in the car for the gun like as a potential best practice. 00:16:03.092 --> 00:16:06.332 I think for the average person who's you know in the car for 10 minutes, 00:16:06.412 --> 00:16:10.312 5 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour here there yeah I just leave it on me where it 00:16:10.312 --> 00:16:14.692 is and I you know that seems to be the viable option it works just fine, 00:16:14.912 --> 00:16:16.912 but I'm allowing that, you know. 00:16:17.452 --> 00:16:20.752 People who have different lifestyle, different situations, it might make sense 00:16:20.752 --> 00:16:23.552 to have a gun staged in a car. 00:16:23.872 --> 00:16:27.832 That's not the one that's on my body or that I'm, you know, potentially move 00:16:27.832 --> 00:16:30.752 from the body to that, that staging system. 00:16:30.872 --> 00:16:33.812 But I think we have to discuss that more. I think, you know, first, yes. 00:16:33.912 --> 00:16:37.112 Like I want to disclaim, like I, if you're telling me that your lifestyle is 00:16:37.112 --> 00:16:40.412 such that that's, that's important or makes more sense. 00:16:40.912 --> 00:16:44.272 It's cool. Like, I believe you. We're not here to argue that point, 00:16:44.272 --> 00:16:47.172 even though for me and Riley, we've just never gotten there. 00:16:47.392 --> 00:16:50.852 You know, I'm happy to take a 12-hour drive in a car and just keep my gun in 00:16:50.852 --> 00:16:53.192 my holster, in my pants, and I'm fine. 00:16:53.552 --> 00:16:57.332 But I get it. Teach their own. But there are some considerations that I think 00:16:57.332 --> 00:16:59.252 we have to talk about in that respect. 00:16:59.732 --> 00:17:02.412 And then I'm going to talk about the Philster video eventually here. 00:17:02.512 --> 00:17:07.472 But I think we have to consider the danger of administrative handling. 00:17:08.485 --> 00:17:14.885 So in an ideal world, if you have decided that you really do need to transfer 00:17:14.885 --> 00:17:19.385 a gun from on body to off body every time you get in out of a car, 00:17:19.625 --> 00:17:23.725 then the number one concern is going to be a safety concern of administrative handling. 00:17:23.925 --> 00:17:28.465 Like, are we removing an entire holster with gun in it? That would be safer. 00:17:28.625 --> 00:17:30.505 At least now we're not exposing the trigger guard. 00:17:30.685 --> 00:17:35.445 It continues to basically be a safe gun at that point. Or are we removing the 00:17:35.445 --> 00:17:37.985 gun from the holster and transferring it to a different holster? 00:17:38.165 --> 00:17:43.885 That's less ideal and certainly would require a higher level of caution and care. 00:17:44.725 --> 00:17:48.725 Many years ago, and I'll leave this story and then I'll send it back to you. 00:17:48.905 --> 00:17:54.125 But many years ago, you and I were invited to be on a radio show. 00:17:54.125 --> 00:18:00.585 And the host of that show off the air when we were not recording shared with 00:18:00.585 --> 00:18:09.125 you and I a story about how he had shot himself in his car during some administrative handling, 00:18:09.425 --> 00:18:11.565 put a bullet in himself. 00:18:11.565 --> 00:18:18.565 So, and we've also reviewed stories before where people have died while driving 00:18:18.565 --> 00:18:20.885 home from work because they did some administrative, well, presumably, 00:18:20.965 --> 00:18:23.805 I guess we didn't know, but we assumed they probably must've been doing some 00:18:23.805 --> 00:18:26.405 administrative handling with their gun and shot themselves. 00:18:27.845 --> 00:18:30.365 So it is a legitimate safety concern. 00:18:31.558 --> 00:18:34.758 Yeah, for sure. I'm going to go back a little bit where you started. 00:18:35.118 --> 00:18:41.918 You mentioned having some listeners of the podcast who are employed in the trucking business. 00:18:42.478 --> 00:18:47.958 That's something I can speak to a little bit. Now, I have not been as my career or in any way, 00:18:48.058 --> 00:18:57.418 shape, or form a trucker, but my mother and stepdad both have been truck drivers 00:18:57.418 --> 00:19:01.838 for parts of their career or all or most of all their career at different times, 00:19:01.838 --> 00:19:07.178 including my mom and my stepdad team driving together for a portion of their career. 00:19:07.918 --> 00:19:13.418 I've spent time in SMI, you know, in the cab right there with my stepdad going 00:19:13.418 --> 00:19:16.858 down the road for hours and hours and hours at a time. And this is a long time ago. 00:19:17.018 --> 00:19:21.858 But so I understand the lifestyle. 00:19:22.378 --> 00:19:26.338 I understand the job probably, you know, differently than many people do. 00:19:26.798 --> 00:19:33.578 I can understand it. If your job is day in, day out to be seated driving, 00:19:33.978 --> 00:19:37.558 you know, you end up doing in the course of your career millions of miles, 00:19:37.778 --> 00:19:42.138 hours and hours and hours at a time, day in and day out, I can see where that 00:19:42.138 --> 00:19:45.898 starts to get a little bit, you know, of a pain point potentially. 00:19:46.258 --> 00:19:48.758 I'd like to still think that even if I was driving a truck today, 00:19:49.018 --> 00:19:50.898 I would still just do what I do. 00:19:50.898 --> 00:19:54.518 Carrying the appendix position right here in front of my waistband in a comfortable 00:19:54.518 --> 00:19:59.438 holster ksg armory holster of course uh that because you and i have shared a 00:19:59.438 --> 00:20:04.898 lot of time on the road driving in fact i remember you and i coming back i think 00:20:04.898 --> 00:20:06.958 it was from the pittsburgh show that was 00:20:07.954 --> 00:20:11.514 Was that carry guard or maybe it was a concealed carry expo. 00:20:11.614 --> 00:20:15.814 But anyway, one of those, and we drove back and we only stopped for a few hours 00:20:15.814 --> 00:20:20.554 to sleep in like Hayes, Kansas, but that whole trip all the way from Pittsburgh, 00:20:20.814 --> 00:20:24.574 all the way back here home to, you know, the Denver area, uh, 00:20:24.774 --> 00:20:27.174 I never once removed the holster from my body. 00:20:27.314 --> 00:20:30.754 And when we, when we slept for a few hours, we just leaned the chairs back in the car. 00:20:30.854 --> 00:20:34.514 Right. So like point is I ended up calculating that and we spent, 00:20:34.674 --> 00:20:38.074 I spent, you know, and then And I ended up carrying all that next day because 00:20:38.074 --> 00:20:42.654 we slept a few hours in the night, got up the next morning, drove the rest of the way home. 00:20:42.754 --> 00:20:46.274 I got home. I didn't take my pants off until the end of that day. 00:20:46.394 --> 00:20:51.754 So it was like 33 hours or something straight that I was carrying in the appendix 00:20:51.754 --> 00:20:57.074 position, in a seated position most of that time and was perfectly comfortable. 00:20:58.454 --> 00:21:03.394 So it can be done. But, again, I understand that, you know, if that's your profession 00:21:03.394 --> 00:21:07.674 and that's what you're doing day in, day out, you might want another option perhaps, right? 00:21:08.214 --> 00:21:12.394 So, anyway, I just wanted to share that little bit of context there from my 00:21:12.394 --> 00:21:13.974 point of view on that subject. 00:21:15.834 --> 00:21:18.054 Without getting into, because I know some of you are probably thinking, 00:21:18.194 --> 00:21:23.614 but what about these, you know, like legal specific ramifications of truck, 00:21:23.774 --> 00:21:28.394 you know, carrying a gun in a commercial vehicle, crossing state borders and so forth? 00:21:28.394 --> 00:21:32.494 We're not here to get into that today, just so it's clear. 00:21:32.594 --> 00:21:39.454 We are here to talk about how to carry a gun or stage a gun or have a gun at the ready in a vehicle. 00:21:40.754 --> 00:21:45.094 And to your other point, Jacob, of people making mistakes with administrative 00:21:45.094 --> 00:21:49.134 handling, that is, from a safety standpoint, the biggest problem. 00:21:49.654 --> 00:21:52.114 Because if you get in a vehicle, pull a gun out of a holster, 00:21:52.354 --> 00:21:56.494 stick it in some other thing in the vehicle, then have to take it back out and 00:21:56.494 --> 00:21:58.314 stick it back in your holster. there is 00:21:59.276 --> 00:22:07.316 There are ways to minimize risk, but it is dang near impossible to do that without some kind of risk. 00:22:07.456 --> 00:22:11.556 And it is really hard to reholster, whether you are in the appendix position 00:22:11.556 --> 00:22:13.736 or some other position on the waist. 00:22:13.936 --> 00:22:19.556 It's pretty dang near impossible to do that in a vehicle while seated without 00:22:19.556 --> 00:22:24.396 kind of, you know, muzzling part of yourself somewhere in some way. 00:22:25.396 --> 00:22:28.436 It could be done, I suppose, but it's very difficult to do. 00:22:28.436 --> 00:22:35.356 And I don't think that most people are going to actually go through the day-in, 00:22:35.436 --> 00:22:40.296 day-out rigors of unholstering, holstering, unholstering, holstering, 00:22:40.296 --> 00:22:41.916 you know, safely like that. 00:22:42.336 --> 00:22:45.936 So it creates a major safety challenge. 00:22:47.436 --> 00:22:48.796 Yeah, I think that's fair. I 00:22:48.796 --> 00:22:51.676 think that the best way to mitigate risk is just leave it in the holster. 00:22:51.956 --> 00:22:55.056 You know, don't remove the gun, remove the gun in the holster, right? 00:22:55.056 --> 00:23:00.216 And that's that's the answer the legitimate consideration let's let's talk a 00:23:00.216 --> 00:23:03.696 little bit about carry positions and the role they play here not that long ago 00:23:03.696 --> 00:23:07.456 in the last you know something like 10 episodes ago or something we did an episode 00:23:07.456 --> 00:23:12.396 dedicated to carry positions so i don't want to rehash all that right but i 00:23:12.396 --> 00:23:14.236 do think that it has a role here in this conversation, 00:23:14.776 --> 00:23:19.316 and then i think we have to talk a little bit more about some tactics as it 00:23:19.316 --> 00:23:20.676 relates to guns and cars but, 00:23:22.502 --> 00:23:26.822 Up until now, I think we've made our position pretty freaking clear throughout 00:23:26.822 --> 00:23:30.062 the recent years of the podcast, and certainly in that most recent episode, 00:23:30.202 --> 00:23:32.522 that Riley and I, we carry in the appendix position. 00:23:33.502 --> 00:23:37.622 That's our go-to spot. And in the car is a place where that position really 00:23:37.622 --> 00:23:40.082 shines. I mean, really shines. 00:23:40.362 --> 00:23:44.782 It is one of those like, boom, like, look, here you go. 00:23:44.922 --> 00:23:49.642 Like, this is a perfect place for appendix carry because it takes nothing to 00:23:49.642 --> 00:23:53.202 get to the gun, right? I mean, assuming you're like sitting properly and you 00:23:53.202 --> 00:23:56.562 carry in a normal appendix position, the seat belt really shouldn't be an issue. 00:23:56.662 --> 00:23:59.522 The seat belt should be over where your belt of your pants would be. 00:23:59.682 --> 00:24:01.822 So that's not inhibiting the draw of the gun. 00:24:01.862 --> 00:24:04.922 It should be below where the actual grip of the gun is. 00:24:05.042 --> 00:24:08.422 Right, right. Yeah, correct. On like where your belt on your pants are, 00:24:08.642 --> 00:24:12.202 like where your belt loops is. Belt loops are, well, I'm struggling. 00:24:13.322 --> 00:24:17.522 So that should be a non-issue. You potentially, you know, we've kind of trapped 00:24:17.522 --> 00:24:20.462 a shirt, but, you know, grab the shirt and untuck it in advance, 00:24:20.482 --> 00:24:22.882 or in the moment you need to draw, grab that shirt and get it out of the way 00:24:22.882 --> 00:24:23.862 like you've been trained to do. 00:24:24.162 --> 00:24:26.942 So it's just a position that works really well for the car. 00:24:27.622 --> 00:24:31.662 We actually have a little mini course on the site called Vehicle Draw that just 00:24:31.662 --> 00:24:37.402 talks about this one thing, just how to draw the gun from different positions when you're in a car. 00:24:37.702 --> 00:24:41.922 And obviously that is great, but in other positions, it does get more challenging. 00:24:41.922 --> 00:24:45.982 So, you know, I know people who don't like appendix or can't carry appendix. 00:24:46.162 --> 00:24:48.882 That's a smaller group, but maybe some medical reason or other thing, 00:24:48.962 --> 00:24:51.382 you can't carry your gun in the front of your hip. 00:24:51.802 --> 00:24:54.422 That's cool. I get it. Or maybe you just, for whatever reason, 00:24:54.502 --> 00:24:56.902 just think it's terrible and awful and dangerous or whatever the thing is. 00:24:57.082 --> 00:24:59.262 You choose to carry it on the hip or around the hip. 00:24:59.862 --> 00:25:06.102 That does have an impact both on comfort in the vehicle and on speed and ability 00:25:06.102 --> 00:25:08.462 to access and deploy that gun safely. 00:25:09.082 --> 00:25:14.582 So I think that's a relevant thing here. that has to be discussed. 00:25:16.777 --> 00:25:20.417 Absolutely. I wanted to mention something, 00:25:20.677 --> 00:25:24.497 you know, since we are talking about best practices and mistakes when carrying 00:25:24.497 --> 00:25:29.717 a vehicle, since you mentioned that your preferred method, my preferred method 00:25:29.717 --> 00:25:31.977 of carrying is in that appendix position, 00:25:32.277 --> 00:25:38.137 one very common mistake I see that is made or that is discussed, I've seen people 00:25:39.651 --> 00:25:43.351 Actually mention online, whether in a comment or even in a video, 00:25:43.611 --> 00:25:47.411 where they talk about how I get in, I'm carrying the penetics position, 00:25:47.551 --> 00:25:52.391 and I put my seatbelt on, and then I move the seatbelt over top and behind the gun. 00:25:52.951 --> 00:25:57.091 And that is not, I'll just call it out right now, 00:25:57.191 --> 00:26:01.651 that is one of the mistakes we're talking about in this episode here today, 00:26:01.691 --> 00:26:10.391 is that that is not a safe way of doing it because where is the seat belt supposed to be, especially, 00:26:10.491 --> 00:26:12.691 you know, the lower portion of the belt, the upper portion obviously is going 00:26:12.691 --> 00:26:14.491 up and across your shoulder, right? 00:26:14.611 --> 00:26:18.811 But the lower portion is intended to be right across your hips. 00:26:19.011 --> 00:26:25.071 Your pelvis is one of the largest structural parts of your body, right? 00:26:25.911 --> 00:26:28.751 And I mean, of course, yes, we can break the pelvis and all that, 00:26:28.851 --> 00:26:33.311 but I mean, what do you have below the pelvis? Your femurs. What do you have above your pelvis? 00:26:33.611 --> 00:26:37.111 Nothing. You know, you got a bunch of guts. Of course, you got your spine in the back, right? 00:26:37.271 --> 00:26:41.271 So, so you want that belt across that structure of your body, 00:26:41.411 --> 00:26:43.691 which is the pelvis, okay, your hips. 00:26:44.211 --> 00:26:50.571 If you move the belt up and over and behind the gun, right, what will happen 00:26:50.571 --> 00:26:55.631 is you get in an accident and that belt tightens down, it is going to not have 00:26:55.631 --> 00:26:58.231 anything really securing you in except your guts. 00:26:58.491 --> 00:27:02.611 And now you're going to probably end up with a bunch of internal injuries that 00:27:02.611 --> 00:27:08.271 you might not otherwise have because your belt is now squishing your guts, 00:27:08.931 --> 00:27:13.351 your lower abdomen, rather than the hips that it is designed for. 00:27:14.031 --> 00:27:17.831 And so, you know, some people have wondered, okay, but hey, when I have the 00:27:17.831 --> 00:27:20.911 belt over top of the gun, is that not going to squeeze the gun into the... 00:27:21.854 --> 00:27:27.234