WEBVTT 00:00:15.459 --> 00:00:16.999 Welcome to the Concealed Carry 00:00:16.999 --> 00:00:21.739 Podcast, part of the ConcealedCarry.com network, brought to you by HK. 00:00:23.299 --> 00:00:27.079 Today is Wednesday, March 25th, 2026. 00:00:27.579 --> 00:00:32.099 As of the recording, this is a live recording of this episode. 00:00:32.139 --> 00:00:37.039 I am your host, Riley Bowman, joined by Jacob Paulson. 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:39.019 Yep, it's me. I'm here. 00:00:39.199 --> 00:00:41.199 He's here. He's doing the thing. 00:00:41.579 --> 00:00:42.539 What's on your shirt? 00:00:43.219 --> 00:00:48.239 This? Oh, I love this shirt. It's not, it's a, I bought it on Amazon. 00:00:48.639 --> 00:00:53.979 Yeah. You know, it's got MP3, you know, file player, whatever thing, 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:58.379 MP4, which I mean, those things, that wasn't even like a thing for more than 00:00:58.379 --> 00:01:01.359 about like two years. And then MP5. 00:01:02.179 --> 00:01:04.399 I'm surprised Amazon let that be sold. 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:04.659 I know, right? 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:06.879 Anything associated with a carbine. 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:12.939 I saw it and I'm like, oh man, bye. It was like 12 bucks too. It was awesome. 00:01:14.499 --> 00:01:18.659 But, yeah, actually, since I'm wearing MP5 on my shirt today, 00:01:18.839 --> 00:01:20.679 this episode is brought to you by HK. 00:01:22.459 --> 00:01:26.819 They're not only our title sponsor, but we're specifically mentioning them as 00:01:26.819 --> 00:01:28.799 a sponsor of this episode today. 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:34.039 We believe the guns we're carrying right now, their HK pistols, 00:01:34.259 --> 00:01:36.799 are some of the finest quality pistols. 00:01:37.749 --> 00:01:42.829 Implements that you can own for purposes of self-defense uh they got some great 00:01:42.829 --> 00:01:47.229 stuff guys and and i i just saw a rumor get this jacob and i'm not speaking 00:01:47.229 --> 00:01:53.509 officially as a representative of hk or anything but i saw on uh there's an 00:01:53.509 --> 00:01:56.329 hk forum that i peruse a little bit here and there, 00:01:57.289 --> 00:02:03.789 and uh one of the accounts on there he's clearly german like he talks like a 00:02:03.789 --> 00:02:07.749 german i mean i don't hear his voice or his accent but the way he writes and 00:02:07.749 --> 00:02:10.789 everything you know you could tell he's he's native right Riley. 00:02:10.789 --> 00:02:12.669 Can now determine where you're from by your writing 00:02:12.669 --> 00:02:16.329 No you could tell I mean I think he mentions he's he's he's from there all right 00:02:16.329 --> 00:02:21.509 and I'm trying not to give away his name like his his his username like it's 00:02:21.509 --> 00:02:25.909 it's German okay so I don't know if he works there I doubt he works there but 00:02:25.909 --> 00:02:29.129 he he seems to know what he's talking about he at least has some some kind of 00:02:29.129 --> 00:02:31.469 connections but he just posted, 00:02:32.996 --> 00:02:36.396 there's uh yeah basically there's a 00:02:36.396 --> 00:02:39.276 possibility that the mp7 that people 00:02:39.276 --> 00:02:45.236 think is you know so awesome uh that they will that they're you know coming 00:02:45.236 --> 00:02:49.776 out with a sp7 i'm not saying that's an official i'm getting this i'm not speaking 00:02:49.776 --> 00:02:54.196 officially this is rumor this is like the rumor meal but like people go crazy 00:02:54.196 --> 00:02:59.056 over that mp7 you know a little 4.6 millimeter caliber. 00:02:59.576 --> 00:03:02.596 Yeah we'd have to find some people start making that ammo in america 00:03:02.596 --> 00:03:05.416 Yeah right but uh pretty hard to find so 00:03:05.416 --> 00:03:09.316 the rumor is sp7 you know meaning semi-automatic because 00:03:09.316 --> 00:03:12.276 there was two images that were shared one was 00:03:12.276 --> 00:03:14.916 uh basically a pistol version and then 00:03:14.916 --> 00:03:19.216 there was a rifle version which the mp7 i don't think that really is a thing 00:03:19.216 --> 00:03:24.556 but they they're coming out with uh a rifle version has you know 16 inch barrel 00:03:24.556 --> 00:03:32.336 and all that but anyway cool so that's that's a rumor and that comes supposedly from germany hey. 00:03:32.336 --> 00:03:35.636 The gun will come from germany too so import credits 00:03:35.636 --> 00:03:40.596 Anyway i saw that you know i take all things with a grain of salt um it's it's 00:03:40.596 --> 00:03:46.476 you know amusing to me nonetheless but we appreciate hk support the podcast um, 00:03:47.499 --> 00:03:50.479 hk-usa.com's website i appoint 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.379 you to the u.s based operation is made 00:03:53.379 --> 00:03:56.639 up of amazing people some of our most favorite people 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.439 in the industry uh because i mean they're just good 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:02.979 people but they're also shooters they train they require their employees to 00:04:02.979 --> 00:04:07.519 train and take classes and stuff to make themselves better uh and most of them 00:04:07.519 --> 00:04:12.439 like i can't i think they they said they were in a company meeting once and 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.479 everyone in that like i don't know if it was a board meeting necessarily, 00:04:15.659 --> 00:04:17.399 but it was a meeting with people, stakeholders, 00:04:17.719 --> 00:04:22.599 folks involved here at the corporate office sitting around a table and every 00:04:22.599 --> 00:04:25.399 single one of them has a permit. 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Appreciate you watching and tuning in live, Messy Rides. 00:06:29.929 --> 00:06:34.289 All righty, Jacob, let's jump into our stories, shall we? 00:06:34.489 --> 00:06:34.729 Yeah. 00:06:35.209 --> 00:06:38.409 We got a bunch. There's some good ones here, some doozies. 00:06:38.629 --> 00:06:41.269 And we're going to also, I'll tease this ahead of the fact. We're saving it 00:06:41.269 --> 00:06:45.909 for last because it's kind of a notable thing. 00:06:46.089 --> 00:06:51.549 But we're going to talk today, too. We're going to talk about the active shooting that took place. 00:06:51.549 --> 00:06:56.389 You know, this was the terrible shooting took place at Old Dominion University 00:06:56.389 --> 00:07:02.089 where one of the professors was shot there, a ROTC instructor. 00:07:02.589 --> 00:07:05.889 And, of course, we're going to talk about that and the aftermath of that and 00:07:05.889 --> 00:07:06.829 some of what happened there. 00:07:07.169 --> 00:07:11.269 We're also going to talk a little bit about the incident out of Michigan, 00:07:11.269 --> 00:07:16.969 the synagogue shooting there that just happened a few weeks back as well. 00:07:17.069 --> 00:07:19.269 So we're going to talk about those as part of this episode today. 00:07:19.709 --> 00:07:23.189 It'll come towards the end. And so you're going to stick around and hear our 00:07:23.189 --> 00:07:24.509 take on those incidents. 00:07:26.069 --> 00:07:30.769 But as is typical, what we often do with Justified Saves episodes is we like 00:07:30.769 --> 00:07:34.309 to start with at least one example of a what not to do. 00:07:34.789 --> 00:07:37.689 And this is not the most blatant what not to do. 00:07:37.849 --> 00:07:38.709 No, no, it's subtle. 00:07:39.109 --> 00:07:43.669 But going through the different stories, I was like, okay, this would be a good example. 00:07:44.529 --> 00:07:48.329 Because we want people to learn from these stories. 00:07:48.449 --> 00:07:50.769 These are real stories. because these are real people that are involved, 00:07:50.929 --> 00:07:53.149 their lives, you know, real lives that are impacted. 00:07:54.189 --> 00:07:59.649 And the opportunity is here to learn from these, you know, it's to learn from 00:07:59.649 --> 00:08:03.349 somebody else having touched that hot stove, not so you have to go and touch it yourself. 00:08:03.569 --> 00:08:05.889 We want you to learn from these and be thinking ahead of time. 00:08:06.029 --> 00:08:09.489 If you find yourself in a similar situation, hopefully you can make a better decision. 00:08:09.729 --> 00:08:16.369 So, Texas road rage incident, this happened near Harlingen, or Harlingen, 00:08:16.609 --> 00:08:18.789 Harlingen, Texas, Cameron County it says. 00:08:20.106 --> 00:08:25.726 Two men hospitalized that got shot by our presumed good guy in this case. 00:08:26.666 --> 00:08:31.326 It's hard to know exactly what happened here. What was going on? 00:08:31.986 --> 00:08:35.246 Well, the good guy says very clearly what started the incident. 00:08:35.566 --> 00:08:42.026 Wow. But you got two brothers and apparently two vehicles, if I read the story 00:08:42.026 --> 00:08:44.706 correctly, that are like, are they on the side of the road? 00:08:44.786 --> 00:08:49.226 Yes, they are. You know, so it's a little bit like, so basically you got two 00:08:49.226 --> 00:08:53.266 brothers driving two vehicles, apparently on the side of the road. 00:08:53.846 --> 00:08:59.426 And this guy, who's our presumed good guy in this case, he's just driving and 00:08:59.426 --> 00:09:01.406 he just, he happens to pass by them. 00:09:01.806 --> 00:09:06.046 And apparently because of how he passed them, they were upset. 00:09:06.266 --> 00:09:10.646 Well, he told deputies that he quote, nearly caused one of them to run off the road. 00:09:11.206 --> 00:09:13.586 See, that's where I got confused because it sounds like they're on the side 00:09:13.586 --> 00:09:17.066 of the road, but nearly caused them to run off the road like that would imply there. 00:09:17.546 --> 00:09:21.566 He says Sanchez told deputies he was driving westbound on blah, 00:09:21.646 --> 00:09:26.846 blah, with his two children when he passed two vehicles, nearly causing one 00:09:26.846 --> 00:09:29.846 of them to run off the road. So I don't think they were on the side of the road. I think. 00:09:30.764 --> 00:09:38.204 He just passed them, but he did a crappy job of passing them and almost caused 00:09:38.204 --> 00:09:39.144 them to run off the side of the road. 00:09:39.624 --> 00:09:44.504 So he was very transparent about the fact, like, hey, I almost caused these 00:09:44.504 --> 00:09:46.144 dudes to run off the road. That's on me. 00:09:47.544 --> 00:09:50.484 I'm mad talking his verbs. Right, right. 00:09:51.184 --> 00:09:55.804 I think he transparently said, like, this started when I accidentally or I did, 00:09:55.804 --> 00:09:57.824 like, almost run these dudes off the road. 00:09:58.164 --> 00:10:02.704 Okay. Well, yeah. So something there. 00:10:03.264 --> 00:10:08.604 And here's the thing. It sounds like maybe he just made an honest, simple mistake. 00:10:08.724 --> 00:10:08.884 Maybe. 00:10:09.304 --> 00:10:12.844 That nobody actually got hurt as a result of. 00:10:13.024 --> 00:10:13.264 Right. 00:10:13.664 --> 00:10:17.144 Okay. And we make mistakes as drivers sometimes. 00:10:17.524 --> 00:10:21.004 That's just the way it goes. We do our best. We obviously want to be safe on 00:10:21.004 --> 00:10:22.204 the roads and make good decisions. 00:10:22.244 --> 00:10:28.144 But in this case, something happened there, and it was maybe a little iffy. 00:10:28.564 --> 00:10:31.684 In this case, with this gentleman and these two other brothers, 00:10:31.964 --> 00:10:36.104 but they decide to chase him down. That's basically what happens next. 00:10:36.104 --> 00:10:36.944 They follow him around. 00:10:37.124 --> 00:10:41.524 So they follow him and they are clearly signaling to get him to stop. 00:10:41.804 --> 00:10:45.944 This is actually the article says this, by the way, is reported on ValleyCentral.com, 00:10:46.044 --> 00:10:48.364 which sounds like a kind of a local news article. 00:10:49.174 --> 00:10:56.934 Website there but uh anyway they get him to stop and so he pulls over and he gets out of his truck. 00:10:57.694 --> 00:11:01.794 Yes yeah and this is this is maybe that crux point where it's what not to do 00:11:01.794 --> 00:11:05.834 right right but it's also semi-understandables like these guys are signaling 00:11:05.834 --> 00:11:09.294 to me they're telling me to stop i know i pissed them off feeling bad about 00:11:09.294 --> 00:11:12.594 it maybe uh you know maybe i should stop and apologize 00:11:13.314 --> 00:11:16.314 you know maybe maybe if i just tell these guys my bad i'm 00:11:16.314 --> 00:11:21.334 sorry you know sure that i can de-escalate this and so i guess what i'm trying 00:11:21.334 --> 00:11:25.594 to say is it's you know it's easy to second to in hindsight look at his decision 00:11:25.594 --> 00:11:29.774 like dude if you just stayed in your truck man like you know some people would 00:11:29.774 --> 00:11:35.694 have less holes in them now yeah but in the moment you can see how any one of us might 00:11:36.254 --> 00:11:40.294 make that easy to make decision of like hey i'm gonna talk to these guys you 00:11:40.294 --> 00:11:43.294 know i'm gonna i'm to see if i can smooth things up yeah 00:11:43.294 --> 00:11:51.934 It again yes it is easy to see how you would maybe make a similar you know decision like this um. 00:11:52.739 --> 00:11:56.679 And, you know, I'm not going to say that there's never a reason to get out of 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:02.099 your vehicle, but what you definitely want to be doing is trying to read the situation, 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:07.819 read body language, try to ascertain what's going on and what their intentions 00:12:07.819 --> 00:12:10.659 are before you exit a vehicle. 00:12:10.819 --> 00:12:15.319 Because as soon as we exit the vehicle, we're, we are removing that protective 00:12:15.319 --> 00:12:20.579 barrier that at least for the moment is protecting us from elements of the outside world. 00:12:20.579 --> 00:12:23.459 Uh and so as soon as you're outside that 00:12:23.459 --> 00:12:26.999 vehicle all all bets are are off uh 00:12:26.999 --> 00:12:30.139 and so that's what happens here is they begin assaulting him 00:12:30.139 --> 00:12:35.699 uh and it's apparent like that they they this is not just a minor thing because 00:12:35.699 --> 00:12:41.979 get this his extensive injuries it says were his he had injuries to his eye 00:12:41.979 --> 00:12:46.359 socket uh multiple bumps on his head and small alterations on his face but i 00:12:46.359 --> 00:12:48.139 mean as soon as you start like that one right there. 00:12:48.239 --> 00:12:53.279 I clue in on the eye socket because when, 00:12:53.379 --> 00:12:57.319 you know, when we're talking about the use of deadly force in particular and 00:12:57.319 --> 00:13:03.499 defensive life, one critical element as far as whether it's justified, whether, you know, 00:13:03.579 --> 00:13:09.299 the threshold has been raised to a level where deadly force may be appropriate 00:13:09.299 --> 00:13:17.399 to use is when it's not just a threat of death against you, but could also be a great bodily injury. 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:17.959 Yeah. 00:13:18.319 --> 00:13:19.459 Which is... 00:13:19.459 --> 00:13:20.559 This would seem to be, yeah. 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.679 Yeah, I mean, because if you have damage to your eye socket, 00:13:24.859 --> 00:13:27.559 like usually we're talking about a broken orbital bone... 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:27.819 Bone, something. 00:13:28.019 --> 00:13:31.119 Or potentially injuries to the eye. I mean, usually it's going to have injuries 00:13:31.119 --> 00:13:33.739 to the eye included as part of that. And that is... 00:13:34.375 --> 00:13:38.795 In most cases, uh, under the law defined as being, yeah, it could be one of 00:13:38.795 --> 00:13:41.615 those things that's great bodily injury because it could be permanently, 00:13:41.615 --> 00:13:46.675 uh, life changing for an individual to lose sight for instance. Okay. 00:13:47.015 --> 00:13:50.835 And so that's what I clue in on. It's like, yeah, bumps on his head and lacerations 00:13:50.835 --> 00:13:54.035 on his face. Like that doesn't sound good, but okay. 00:13:54.215 --> 00:13:58.095 He's been injured severely apparently to his eye socket. That's, 00:13:58.215 --> 00:13:59.055 that's a problem, right? 00:13:59.295 --> 00:14:02.415 So during this assault, He goes back to his vehicle. 00:14:02.755 --> 00:14:10.335 He grabs from the center console a .40 caliber handgun and fires multiple shots. 00:14:10.535 --> 00:14:15.615 He hits one of the brothers. It says they have gunshot wounds to the forearm 00:14:15.615 --> 00:14:19.215 and armpit, and the other brother has a gunshot wound to his stomach. 00:14:19.635 --> 00:14:21.375 So he ends up shooting both of them. 00:14:22.055 --> 00:14:24.135 And apparently they're both going to be fine. 00:14:24.135 --> 00:14:25.175 They're in stable condition. 00:14:25.715 --> 00:14:29.935 Now understand there's one more element to this story, And that this gentleman 00:14:29.935 --> 00:14:32.295 that does a shooting here, 00:14:32.655 --> 00:14:37.075 our victim, he has two children, a nine-year-old and a 10-year-old child with 00:14:37.075 --> 00:14:41.175 him in his vehicle as this is all taking place. So that's another piece. 00:14:41.295 --> 00:14:44.295 It's like, okay, now we've got to take into account. We're not just talking 00:14:44.295 --> 00:14:48.435 about me driving myself and whether I get out of a vehicle or not. 00:14:48.515 --> 00:14:52.615 It's also that I've got not just another adult, but I've got children that are 00:14:52.615 --> 00:14:57.055 dependent upon me for their safety in the vehicle as well. I've got to be mindful of that. 00:14:57.835 --> 00:15:01.695 I guess I'm thinking a lot about sometimes it's less you know 00:15:03.119 --> 00:15:09.159 More what you do and more how you do it and so if you if you feel compelled to get out of the car 00:15:09.899 --> 00:15:12.599 and i don't know any of the circumstances i don't know the orientation i don't know where 00:15:12.599 --> 00:15:15.519 they were where they were pulled over i don't have video i mean we're just making this 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:18.859 up yep and we're from i shouldn't say we're making it up we're we're 00:15:18.859 --> 00:15:24.399 filling in some gaps that aren't here in the news story but i think that you 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:29.079 know how i get out of the car uh how i position myself relative to these two 00:15:29.079 --> 00:15:32.459 people maybe maybe i initially get out of the car but then they start like get 00:15:32.459 --> 00:15:36.359 closing distance and you know getting close to my personal space and I'm like 00:15:36.359 --> 00:15:37.599 oh I'm going to get back on the car now 00:15:38.119 --> 00:15:41.999 or I you know keep the car between me and them but there's two of them so that's 00:15:41.999 --> 00:15:45.739 kind of problematic right so I guess I'm just trying to say is um 00:15:46.672 --> 00:15:50.352 I think that sometimes you had to say, okay, well, if I'm going to do X, 00:15:50.472 --> 00:15:54.732 if I feel compelled to do X, then what are the ways I can mitigate risk that 00:15:54.732 --> 00:15:58.232 I can reduce the danger in my action? 00:15:59.292 --> 00:16:04.092 And yes, I agree, though, that knowing that there's young kids in the car changes 00:16:04.092 --> 00:16:05.272 the perspective of things. 00:16:05.872 --> 00:16:09.772 When you're moving, there's just so little. They're signaling you to stock. 00:16:09.912 --> 00:16:14.792 There's so little that can go wrong while you're driving. What are they going to do, ram you? 00:16:15.252 --> 00:16:18.672 Right? So you have so much on your side in that moment. 00:16:18.832 --> 00:16:22.092 You have the ability to drive to a public place, to a police station. 00:16:22.212 --> 00:16:24.292 You have your phone, presumably. You can call 911. 00:16:25.032 --> 00:16:27.672 Hey, these guys are upset with me. They're telling me. They're following me. 00:16:27.752 --> 00:16:32.912 I just feel like you have a lot of alternatives to pulling over and getting assaulted. 00:16:34.172 --> 00:16:40.112 Yeah, that's less than ideal. And it's worth mentioning that when it describes 00:16:40.112 --> 00:16:42.252 him reaching and getting the gun out of the center console, it says, 00:16:42.512 --> 00:16:46.412 while they continued to assault him. so he's trying to like break the parent 00:16:46.412 --> 00:16:48.992 That he is he's basically fought his way back. 00:16:48.992 --> 00:16:51.792 Yes to where that gun is yeah and he's 00:16:51.792 --> 00:16:55.132 and he's opened a door into a car that where there's two kids and 00:16:55.132 --> 00:16:58.972 he's you know probably all bloodied up and this none of this is fun and pleasant 00:16:58.972 --> 00:17:03.272 so the other lesson here is man that gun and that console not doing you a lot 00:17:03.272 --> 00:17:06.432 of good right now as you're getting beat up right now we have to go back like 00:17:06.432 --> 00:17:10.932 with that's that's the thing is we get back to that that's less than ideal uh 00:17:10.932 --> 00:17:14.572 i mean what if he hadn't been able to we don't know where I mean, 00:17:14.832 --> 00:17:17.412 in my mind, you know, I see these two brothers and sort of like, 00:17:17.652 --> 00:17:19.272 you know, that dude almost ran us off the road. 00:17:19.352 --> 00:17:21.732 Let's go beat his, you know, like, they're just like, we're going to go, 00:17:21.812 --> 00:17:24.272 we're going to go prove, you know, show this guy a lesson. Yep. 00:17:24.612 --> 00:17:26.792 And we're going to beat him up real good, you know? So. 00:17:29.652 --> 00:17:29.932 Yeah. 00:17:30.900 --> 00:17:35.140 Yeah, that was another reason why this is in the what not to do category is 00:17:35.140 --> 00:17:37.920 not carrying his gun on himself, on his person. 00:17:38.500 --> 00:17:45.320 So a lot of people will have a truck gun, so to speak, or a gun that's designated 00:17:45.320 --> 00:17:47.860 for being in the center console or something like that. 00:17:47.940 --> 00:17:55.740 We've spoken out against that for years about not being an advisable solution 00:17:55.740 --> 00:17:59.560 for carrying of a gun for a variety of reasons. 00:17:59.560 --> 00:18:03.620 I mean, one, what's happening with that gun when you're not in the vehicle? 00:18:03.800 --> 00:18:07.980 And in this case, even for just a few moments, he gets out of the vehicle. 00:18:08.120 --> 00:18:11.060 His kids are still in the vehicle. There's a gun in the vehicle, right? 00:18:11.260 --> 00:18:15.440 You know, like, and I don't care who you are, but, you know, 00:18:15.940 --> 00:18:20.460 especially young kids, and these are young kids, any amount of time, 00:18:21.040 --> 00:18:23.680 any amount, seconds is too long. 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:28.920 Like an unsecured gun is, that's too much. Okay. In a situation like that. 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.420 Um, and, and these kinds of things happen so quickly. Like I, 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:35.600 I've heard people talk about how they'll get in the vehicle, 00:18:35.780 --> 00:18:38.520 they'll take their gun off of their waistband and stick it, 00:18:38.740 --> 00:18:42.440 you know, in the cup holder or in the center glove box or, you know, 00:18:42.620 --> 00:18:46.700 or under the seat, or they've got a little magnet, you know, mount and all that. 00:18:46.800 --> 00:18:49.560 So they'll take their gun off when they get in the vehicle because it's, 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:51.420 it's more comfortable that way for them to drive. 00:18:51.980 --> 00:18:55.440 Here's the problem with that. Okay. So I want you to think about this because 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.080 I've had this debate with people before. 00:18:57.961 --> 00:19:01.221 They're like, well, yeah, what's the matter with that? 00:19:01.461 --> 00:19:04.661 In fact, we were approached by a company that wanted to help market a product 00:19:04.661 --> 00:19:06.461 that was basically that very thing. 00:19:06.721 --> 00:19:12.021 Take a gun out of your holster, stick it in this holster that's designed to fit in your cup holder. 00:19:12.021 --> 00:19:17.001 And they didn't appreciate our feedback that we don't really think that's a 00:19:17.001 --> 00:19:22.721 smart thing because these sorts of situations develop quickly when they do develop 00:19:22.721 --> 00:19:26.601 and you're not going to have the wherewithal to remember a lot of times like, 00:19:26.841 --> 00:19:29.561 oh crap, okay, I got to grab my gun and stick it in the holster because the 00:19:29.561 --> 00:19:31.081 situation is developing too fast. 00:19:31.321 --> 00:19:34.521 So now you are that person that's in a fight, a struggle for your life, 00:19:34.701 --> 00:19:38.441 having to fight back to where the gun is just so you can defend yourself. 00:19:39.041 --> 00:19:43.321 Not good. But I, yeah, I know we're maybe spending too much time on this one, but. 00:19:43.441 --> 00:19:43.981 That's a good one. 00:19:44.081 --> 00:19:46.781 We got a comment the other day. We have an article on our website published 00:19:46.781 --> 00:19:49.601 many years ago called Your Car is Not a Holster. Yep. 00:19:50.579 --> 00:19:58.659 And we got a comment from somebody who basically proposed this ridiculous, 00:19:58.659 --> 00:20:03.859 complex way of staging their gun in a way that would meet all the criteria that 00:20:03.859 --> 00:20:05.159 we basically line out in that article. 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:08.079 In that article, we basically hear all the problems with all your car holsters. 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.579 And this person's like, well, what if I do this with this and I attach this 00:20:11.579 --> 00:20:13.279 and this massive, complex thing? 00:20:13.579 --> 00:20:17.139 And I replied to the comment. I said, you're trying to solve a problem that 00:20:17.139 --> 00:20:18.959 doesn't exist to begin with. 00:20:19.099 --> 00:20:19.299 Yeah. 00:20:19.299 --> 00:20:23.159 That just put the gun in your holster on your body the way you carry it around 00:20:23.159 --> 00:20:24.599 and leave it there while you're in the car. 00:20:24.859 --> 00:20:28.519 So I think that would be my two senses, that if you really have a carry system 00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:33.079 that makes it so hard for you to keep the gun on you while you're driving, 00:20:33.819 --> 00:20:35.379 maybe your holster just sucks. 00:20:35.859 --> 00:20:40.639 Now, some of you are more, and the guy in the store, we don't know, 00:20:40.779 --> 00:20:44.599 but it might be that he doesn't transfer it back and forth because of a comfort issue or something. 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:48.259 He just permanently maintains a gun in the console of his car, 00:20:48.259 --> 00:20:51.319 In which case, that's just also horribly irresponsible. 00:20:51.919 --> 00:20:54.979 You're asking for that gun to be stolen, first and foremost. 00:20:55.739 --> 00:20:58.899 And yeah, I just, I don't, I can't get there. I'm not there. 00:20:59.139 --> 00:21:00.799 Yep. I'm right there with you. 00:21:01.895 --> 00:21:06.015 Well, that was, I think, a really great way of kicking out this episode. 00:21:06.195 --> 00:21:08.935 I mean, yeah, we did spend some time on that particular story, 00:21:09.015 --> 00:21:12.795 but there's a lot that's packaged into it, a lot of lessons that can be taken 00:21:12.795 --> 00:21:15.755 from that, and that's why I wanted to feature that. 00:21:16.235 --> 00:21:20.355 Let's move on to an article published on our friend's website, USA Carry. 00:21:21.355 --> 00:21:25.475 It says here the title is Homeowner Warned Intruder. He was armed before fatal 00:21:25.475 --> 00:21:26.995 shooting during a break-in attempt. 00:21:28.075 --> 00:21:33.295 This happened in Somerset Township, Pennsylvania. Uh, so basically what you 00:21:33.295 --> 00:21:37.655 have here is a man was awakened by loud banging. 00:21:38.075 --> 00:21:41.055 All right. So he's hearing loud banging on his kitchen window. 00:21:41.295 --> 00:21:46.835 Uh, he gets up and, and, you know, he, he calls, uh, police, 00:21:47.235 --> 00:21:50.135 you know, he calls dispatch saying, Hey, there, someone seems like they're trying 00:21:50.135 --> 00:21:51.275 to break into my house. Yeah. 00:21:51.475 --> 00:21:56.555 So it sounded like he actually tried to place the call before what happens next. 00:21:56.655 --> 00:21:57.795 Yes. Identifying. Right. 00:21:58.015 --> 00:22:00.115 So it was really good. I think that's actually really smart. 00:22:00.115 --> 00:22:04.335 I mean, because before really taking action, I mean, he's like, 00:22:04.495 --> 00:22:06.175 hey, let's get authorities on their way. 00:22:06.275 --> 00:22:10.775 I mean, the sooner we can communicate, especially with law enforcement, 00:22:11.015 --> 00:22:13.575 the sooner they're going to get there because it's going to be minutes. 00:22:13.855 --> 00:22:14.615 Clock's ticking, right? 00:22:14.855 --> 00:22:18.815 And so getting that clock going sooner rather than later is important. 00:22:19.815 --> 00:22:23.335 So he's talking to the dispatch. Banging's still happening. 00:22:23.655 --> 00:22:28.495 And eventually this person breaks the kitchen window and they attempt to enter 00:22:28.495 --> 00:22:35.975 the residence. The homeowner says he warned the individual, the person breaking in, that he was armed. 00:22:36.315 --> 00:22:42.735 And when the intruder continued coming into the home towards the homeowner, the homeowner shot him. 00:22:43.837 --> 00:22:49.157 Uh, he was, uh, found by, uh, responding law enforcement near the rear of the 00:22:49.157 --> 00:22:55.717 residence with an apparent gunshot wound to the head. It says he's pronounced dead on the scene. 00:22:56.777 --> 00:23:01.317 So pretty, uh, pretty wild story. I mean, to go from, Hey, someone's breaking into my house. 00:23:01.457 --> 00:23:05.497 Hey, can you get somebody over here to now you're warning that person that you're 00:23:05.497 --> 00:23:06.837 armed? Now you're shooting that person. 00:23:06.997 --> 00:23:10.477 I mean, it just kind of keeps, I think it's a good example of kind of how it, 00:23:10.617 --> 00:23:13.497 you know, it didn't go from zero to a hundred necessarily. 00:23:13.917 --> 00:23:18.897 Right off the bat it's sort of like this guy was trying to go through all the proper steps yeah. 00:23:19.657 --> 00:23:22.457 No one who who physically breaks their way 00:23:22.457 --> 00:23:27.797 in through a window is in the right mind i mean this you know windows are hard 00:23:27.797 --> 00:23:31.417 to break and so i mean it doesn't say if he had an object or a crow bar i don't 00:23:31.417 --> 00:23:34.757 know but i mean he spent some period of time trying to get through this window 00:23:34.757 --> 00:23:39.737 uh not trying other like it seems very like kitchen window like bam like the 00:23:39.737 --> 00:23:41.517 enough time that person can wake up, 00:23:41.777 --> 00:23:44.957 make a phone call, retrieve a gun, go monitor the situation, 00:23:45.177 --> 00:23:48.357 tell him like, go away. And then eventually he comes through the glass. 00:23:49.657 --> 00:23:53.677 So now where I think that there's some interesting commentary or debate here 00:23:53.677 --> 00:23:56.837 is that I'm going to make an assumption that I don't know for a fact, 00:23:56.917 --> 00:24:02.017 but I'm assuming that this person was shot while they were in the process of 00:24:02.017 --> 00:24:02.637 coming through the window. 00:24:03.435 --> 00:24:09.855 Because the body was found with a headshot wound outside. So I'm assuming this 00:24:09.855 --> 00:24:13.255 person did not get shot while they were already in the house and then exit through 00:24:13.255 --> 00:24:14.755 the window with the headshot wound. 00:24:15.195 --> 00:24:21.095 So I'm just assuming that this person's midway through a window, 00:24:21.335 --> 00:24:25.015 in the process of coming through the window, when they get shot in the head. 00:24:25.795 --> 00:24:30.975 And that's an angle that maybe facilitates or increases the odds of you getting shot in the head. 00:24:31.155 --> 00:24:31.315 Yeah. 00:24:31.835 --> 00:24:36.155 So that's interesting to me. and I'm not suggesting good or bad, 00:24:36.295 --> 00:24:39.755 but I think that it's worth talking about, right? And we see this a lot with like a doorway. 00:24:39.935 --> 00:24:43.075 Someone's coming through the door. Someone's banging on the door. 00:24:43.675 --> 00:24:47.935 They're coming through the window, you know? So I think that someone could ask, 00:24:48.035 --> 00:24:51.875 well, do I have to wait for them to come through the window and actually be in my house? 00:24:52.035 --> 00:24:56.515 Like, what does that look like? What's the, you know, how able am I to defend 00:24:56.515 --> 00:24:58.875 the barricade before they really become a threat? 00:24:59.155 --> 00:25:02.135 And I think that's a really viable question to ask. 00:25:02.555 --> 00:25:05.015 And the answer here is probably this is very justified. 00:25:05.775 --> 00:25:10.075 And there's some variables that we would have to potentially consider. 00:25:10.195 --> 00:25:13.615 But I appreciate that this is a guy, a homeowner who probably is saying, 00:25:13.775 --> 00:25:17.715 hey, once he's in the kitchen standing up and looking at me, 00:25:18.335 --> 00:25:21.735 my security is greatly diminished. 00:25:22.295 --> 00:25:29.275 My ability to defend myself is greatly diminished. Everything gets real bad in that moment. 00:25:30.355 --> 00:25:34.915 So a whole bunch of really good judgment is used. No one shot through the window 00:25:34.915 --> 00:25:36.795 when it's just getting banged on. 00:25:37.015 --> 00:25:41.755 We wait until there's true jeopardy. It's like, okay, this guy's coming through now. 00:25:41.995 --> 00:25:45.535 He's going to be in the house in a moment. Now is the time to take action. 00:25:45.715 --> 00:25:49.375 So anyway, I guess I had some comments there about the timing of the shot. 00:25:49.615 --> 00:25:49.975 Yeah. 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:58.239 The one interesting thing here is that aspect of giving a verbal warning, right? 00:25:59.639 --> 00:26:02.739 Nobody's obligated to issue a warning. 00:26:03.219 --> 00:26:06.299 I'm not aware of any, it certainly has happened in Pennsylvania. 00:26:06.299 --> 00:26:07.679 I'm not aware of anything in Pennsylvania. 00:26:07.879 --> 00:26:11.379