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And now let's get into 00:03:17.481 --> 00:03:20.241 introducing what today's episode content is about. 00:03:21.041 --> 00:03:25.261 This re-released episode, as I mentioned, was recorded with Scott Jadlinski 00:03:25.261 --> 00:03:28.341 of Modern Samurai Project back in December of 2021. 00:03:28.521 --> 00:03:33.521 And we were talking about setting up your Red Dot Pistol for success. 00:03:33.721 --> 00:03:37.741 On our YouTube channel, we get comments about this episode. 00:03:37.981 --> 00:03:41.141 I think that, you know, obviously Scott Jadlinski, if you're not familiar with 00:03:41.141 --> 00:03:48.181 him, he is the owner of Modern Samurai Project. He is a full-time firearms instructor and coach. 00:03:48.341 --> 00:03:52.741 He travels the country teaching citizens as well as law enforcement and military 00:03:52.741 --> 00:04:00.001 how to more effectively shoot and especially how to better use and shoot with an optic on pistols. 00:04:00.966 --> 00:04:04.726 I would say he is the country's foremost expert in doing this. 00:04:04.926 --> 00:04:08.366 And so that's why we had him on the podcast a couple of years ago. 00:04:08.486 --> 00:04:09.906 He's actually been on more than once. 00:04:10.026 --> 00:04:15.066 I think I originally had him on the podcast back in, I want to say, 2019 or thereabouts. 00:04:15.726 --> 00:04:20.766 After I had attended his course with him, I actually traveled to Iowa to take that course. 00:04:20.886 --> 00:04:23.266 And it was a fantastic course. And if you ever have the opportunity to train 00:04:23.266 --> 00:04:26.026 with him, I would encourage you to do so. You can learn more about his courses 00:04:26.026 --> 00:04:27.746 at modernsamurayproject.com. 00:04:28.386 --> 00:04:32.666 Anyway, we had him on a couple of times now, probably time to get him on again, I would say. 00:04:32.906 --> 00:04:38.926 But this, again, was a very important episode that I thought was worth resharing 00:04:38.926 --> 00:04:42.286 again, just shy of four years after it was initially released. 00:04:42.546 --> 00:04:47.066 So I know you're going to enjoy listening to this episode today with Scott Jablinski. 00:04:47.926 --> 00:04:51.926 He's a friend of mine, and I'm also one of his endorsed instructors, 00:04:52.246 --> 00:04:55.926 having also gone through his instructor development course as well. 00:04:55.926 --> 00:05:01.066 So enjoy this episode i'll see you on the flip side for a quick outro thanks for listening 00:05:02.066 --> 00:05:05.366 Jedi you see more of this than anybody 00:05:05.366 --> 00:05:08.426 in the industry probably so you know you see all kinds 00:05:08.426 --> 00:05:11.126 of pistols come through your classes you see all 00:05:11.126 --> 00:05:14.046 kinds of red dots on those guns you see 00:05:14.046 --> 00:05:17.306 all kinds of mounting solutions uh so 00:05:17.306 --> 00:05:20.026 what i wanted to start with here today is i don't 00:05:20.026 --> 00:05:24.426 think we really did this any justice the last time we had you on we were probably 00:05:24.426 --> 00:05:28.826 more focused on the some of the more technique stuff a couple questions related 00:05:28.826 --> 00:05:33.846 to what we were just on uh so first of all uh closed emitter versus open emitter 00:05:33.846 --> 00:05:38.506 okay how important is that really i 00:05:38.506 --> 00:05:43.646 Think it depends on what you do right i think if you're a concealed carrier 00:05:43.646 --> 00:05:50.946 uh and you're most of the time your optic is covered with a garment and. 00:05:52.738 --> 00:05:55.938 Uh, exposure to the elements isn't all that important. 00:05:56.458 --> 00:06:01.178 Okay. Number one, right. If you are a professional, right. Law enforcement or 00:06:01.178 --> 00:06:04.218 military, and there could be times where you're out in the elements, right. 00:06:04.578 --> 00:06:07.598 Uh, even though I'm still looking for that officer that comes to my class, 00:06:07.658 --> 00:06:10.838 it's been in that gunfight in the rain with the pistol still hasn't happened 00:06:10.838 --> 00:06:13.598 yet, but, um, where the sites mattered, right. 00:06:13.598 --> 00:06:16.478 I guess I should say, uh, still looking for that guy, but you know, 00:06:16.538 --> 00:06:22.918 you have more of a propensity to be in those situations, then closed emitter 00:06:22.918 --> 00:06:27.698 might be more, you know, attractive to you. 00:06:27.798 --> 00:06:32.798 If you're a SEAL doing saltwater beach landings, then you need a closed emitter. 00:06:33.918 --> 00:06:39.718 You know, you'll do, according to my buddy, Kyle DeFore, an open emitter will 00:06:39.718 --> 00:06:42.838 make about one or two, and then the saltwater just eats it alive. 00:06:43.078 --> 00:06:45.978 So you need a closed emitter for of that stuff right it really depends on 00:06:45.978 --> 00:06:49.158 what you do and your price point the great thing is man holy 00:06:49.158 --> 00:06:52.198 cow if you work the discounts right if you 00:06:52.198 --> 00:06:58.718 time it just right you can get an amazing optic for 250 275 bucks that's going 00:06:58.718 --> 00:07:03.378 to last you 10 000 15 000 rounds these days with like things like with like 00:07:03.378 --> 00:07:07.938 hollow sun offerings and things like that what a great time what a great time 00:07:07.938 --> 00:07:11.918 to be alive i get excited about silly stuff like that it. 00:07:11.918 --> 00:07:12.738 Really is i mean 00:07:15.238 --> 00:07:20.478 how much how far we've come in just three or four years in this space is quite 00:07:20.478 --> 00:07:26.778 remarkable i remember wandering the shot show floor uh like four years ago five years ago maybe 00:07:27.558 --> 00:07:31.738 that's probably like four years ago and i remember saying like i what i said 00:07:31.738 --> 00:07:36.398 i think it was four years ago and i said five years from now every manufacturer 00:07:37.238 --> 00:07:47.378 We'll make pistols that are optic ready and we'll be seeing pistols where that's becoming the thing. 00:07:47.478 --> 00:07:51.698 Like it becomes like standard equipment almost, you know, and we actually... 00:07:53.378 --> 00:07:56.578 And not that I'm a special profit or anything like that, but that was kind of 00:07:56.578 --> 00:08:01.738 my observation, walking around, kind of, you know, paying attention to the feel of the industry. 00:08:01.918 --> 00:08:05.098 I was like, that's what's going to happen. It's actually happened a lot quicker 00:08:05.098 --> 00:08:07.638 than what I anticipated myself. 00:08:08.078 --> 00:08:11.018 So it really is a remarkable time that we're in. 00:08:12.178 --> 00:08:16.638 So a couple other questions. So you talked about closed emitters. 00:08:16.638 --> 00:08:20.238 I do feel like I would be remiss if I didn't explain for the sake of some of 00:08:20.238 --> 00:08:24.078 our newer listeners, closed emitter versus open emitter. 00:08:24.258 --> 00:08:29.038 Closed is where the optic, everything is enclosed within a box, 00:08:29.038 --> 00:08:30.778 okay, to keep it simple, right? 00:08:31.058 --> 00:08:35.118 So with these red dot optics, you have an emitter. It's a little point source 00:08:35.118 --> 00:08:39.878 of light that, you know, basically like shining like a, almost like a laser 00:08:39.878 --> 00:08:41.438 beam, although it's not exactly a laser. 00:08:41.438 --> 00:08:44.518 It's not blinding your, your, or burning your retina or anything like that, 00:08:44.638 --> 00:08:49.798 but shining a little led light that's focused in a point hits the glass, 00:08:49.958 --> 00:08:51.238 comes back, bounces to your eye. 00:08:51.418 --> 00:08:54.658 So that's where you see the red dot. You got to have that source of light coming 00:08:54.658 --> 00:08:56.498 from somewhere to bounce off the glass. 00:08:57.078 --> 00:09:01.458 So closed emitter, it's all enclosed. It's protected from the weather, 00:09:01.578 --> 00:09:03.798 from the elements, from the dust open emitter. 00:09:04.258 --> 00:09:07.438 Yeah. You can get some water in there. You can get some water on the glass. 00:09:08.358 --> 00:09:13.498 You'll get some dust on there, whatever. It might occlude some of your vision and stuff. 00:09:13.698 --> 00:09:17.978 Typically it'll work just fine, but sometimes if it got bad enough, maybe it won't. 00:09:18.338 --> 00:09:22.778 But to your point, if you're carrying concealed, probably not the biggest concern. 00:09:23.218 --> 00:09:27.558 Or also the other point, you have yet to meet a law enforcement officer that 00:09:27.558 --> 00:09:32.098 actually was in a gunfight where that would have mattered, where they were in 00:09:32.098 --> 00:09:36.558 a downpouring rain and it would have caused their optic to not work. 00:09:38.902 --> 00:09:39.562 Yep. All right. 00:09:40.362 --> 00:09:42.562 Battery life. I'm going to ask about that. Cause you touched on that a little 00:09:42.562 --> 00:09:47.562 bit, like the Acro P2 from, uh, from Aimpoint, uh, they came up with the P1 a few years ago. 00:09:47.882 --> 00:09:51.822 Uh, everyone was all excited, but then they found out, oh, the battery lasts like a month. 00:09:52.522 --> 00:09:55.442 And, and that was, uh, you know, some people probably be like, 00:09:55.502 --> 00:09:58.722 well, it's not a big deal. Cause it's, I can just change it externally. 00:09:59.022 --> 00:10:03.022 It doesn't, you know, I just make sure I change my battery every few weeks and 00:10:03.022 --> 00:10:05.182 move on with life, but it's not ideal. 00:10:05.282 --> 00:10:09.782 So what are we seeing these days that is, when you say has something has good 00:10:09.782 --> 00:10:12.522 battery life, what does that mean? What is good battery life considered? 00:10:13.222 --> 00:10:20.502 Um, I, so people are going to be probably, um, a little surprised by my answer on this. Right. 00:10:20.902 --> 00:10:25.782 So, uh, functionally for me, good battery life, three months. 00:10:27.082 --> 00:10:30.182 Three months right um and this 00:10:30.182 --> 00:10:33.342 is not scientific this is just me knowing me 00:10:33.342 --> 00:10:37.082 about someone who probably has other 00:10:37.082 --> 00:10:40.042 than that person getting into that self-defense encounter whose dots gone 00:10:40.042 --> 00:10:44.722 out there's probably no one else that had whereas more of an embarrassing situation 00:10:44.722 --> 00:10:48.182 then they set up to the line and their dots gone out than me right as an instructor 00:10:48.182 --> 00:10:52.982 okay so the rule of thumb um i don't know where if i just made this up right 00:10:52.982 --> 00:10:58.442 guys right when i take whatever the manufacturer's rating is For example, the RMR is two years, 00:10:58.642 --> 00:11:01.422 and I divide by four. 00:11:02.102 --> 00:11:06.102 So with the RMR, I would change it out every six months. 00:11:09.382 --> 00:11:13.042 Then with the side and top loading batteries and stuff like that, 00:11:13.102 --> 00:11:14.582 I'm like, well, it's so easy. 00:11:15.022 --> 00:11:19.922 Let me do a little insurance policy and cut that in half and did three months. 00:11:20.122 --> 00:11:23.762 So I change out all my batteries every three months. Okay. 00:11:24.402 --> 00:11:28.762 I think when you're talking quarterly, that is a substantial amount of time. 00:11:29.082 --> 00:11:33.182 Anybody can put that on their calendar or remember that, right? 00:11:33.362 --> 00:11:36.562 It's a good chunk of time where you're not constantly worried about, 00:11:36.702 --> 00:11:39.522 oh, it's my battery dead. It's my battery dead. It's my battery dead, right? 00:11:39.922 --> 00:11:43.202 Four to six weeks, you're constantly worrying about that, right? 00:11:43.282 --> 00:11:44.582 Because life goes through cycles. 00:11:45.922 --> 00:11:49.962 And there've been too many times when people came to my class with an Acro P1 00:11:49.962 --> 00:11:52.382 and their batteries went dead, right? I would literally joke, 00:11:52.462 --> 00:11:53.302 you bring extra batteries. 00:11:53.462 --> 00:11:57.402 They're like, yep, okay, TD1 or TD2, 11 o'clock. 00:11:57.582 --> 00:11:59.582 Well, sorry, got to go change out my battery, right? 00:12:00.182 --> 00:12:02.662 That was unacceptable to me, and I was very vocal about that, right? 00:12:04.202 --> 00:12:07.742 Just as vocal as I've had the P2, and the thing's been flawless. 00:12:08.402 --> 00:12:12.322 I've had it for five months. Cody at Walther gave it to me, had it for a month before that. 00:12:12.822 --> 00:12:15.702 So that battery's on for six months on the same battery through various lighting 00:12:15.702 --> 00:12:19.322 conditions, and it's been absolutely flawed. So good job, Aimpoint, 00:12:19.502 --> 00:12:21.462 coming back to living up to your own standard, right? 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:29.020 So why is three months my thing? It's just because it's a quarterly thing, right? 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:36.260 I will tell you, though, that the other reason why in testing that out is if 00:12:36.260 --> 00:12:41.720 you run the 509 or the SRO in various lighting conditions, 00:12:42.560 --> 00:12:44.540 right, always changing them like I do. 00:12:44.740 --> 00:12:47.960 You know, one day I could be in Overcast, Pennsylvania. The next day I'm in, 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:51.220 you know, Broward County, Florida, right, constantly changing, 00:12:51.460 --> 00:12:56.960 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. if you run those optics hard, it's three to four months on the battery. 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:02.600 I don't care what Trijicon or Holosun says. It's three to four months on the battery. Okay. 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:05.600 Now, is that a deal breaker? 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:10.980 Absolutely not. Like I said, I had that quarterly three month thing in my head 00:13:10.980 --> 00:13:13.520 well before those wind up being that way. 00:13:14.280 --> 00:13:17.700 So it's arbitrary. It's completely arbitrary. It's not scientific. 00:13:17.980 --> 00:13:20.280 I just, you know, you can base things out on quarterly, you know, 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:25.140 everyone's heard of a quarterly business plan, you know, or quarterly budget, right? 00:13:25.280 --> 00:13:28.780 Or something to that effect, right? So quarterly is how I judge batteries, 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:35.280 your mileage may differ, but that, that bellwether has served me well. 00:13:36.526 --> 00:13:39.986 So I'm in the same boat. I changed my battery and my optics every three months. 00:13:40.586 --> 00:13:43.066 Oh, see, we didn't even talk about that. I didn't know that. Okay, cool. 00:13:43.426 --> 00:13:48.066 Yep. Now, some of that's because I have to with my particular optic. 00:13:49.646 --> 00:13:55.806 You know I'm running the Romeo 1. Okay. Still. Yeah. That might change this year. We'll see. 00:13:56.406 --> 00:13:57.786 But you're doing the 1 or the Pro? 00:13:58.126 --> 00:13:59.186 Mine is the 1. 00:13:59.346 --> 00:14:01.006 Oh, Jesus. Come on, bro. 00:14:01.926 --> 00:14:08.566 Get out of here. Dude, I'm still on the original one that I've had since I bought my first. 00:14:09.206 --> 00:14:17.186 I got it because I bought the SIG 320 RXP model, just the standard model, however many years ago. 00:14:17.266 --> 00:14:19.986 I think four years ago now. I bought it, maybe three and a half. 00:14:20.606 --> 00:14:24.166 And I bought it just to start playing with the red dot. And I started playing 00:14:24.166 --> 00:14:27.106 with it, started playing with it, shot it, still keep running it. 00:14:27.366 --> 00:14:32.226 And I have documented in excess of 20,000 rounds on that optic. 00:14:32.446 --> 00:14:33.446 How old is that optic? 00:14:34.366 --> 00:14:39.546 It is three. I'd have to go check some paperwork, but it's, it's more than three years old. 00:14:39.626 --> 00:14:40.606 So it's a hollow sun. 00:14:45.150 --> 00:14:50.430 So, I just keep running it, but the battery life's not that great on it. 00:14:50.630 --> 00:14:52.310 But every three months, I change it out. 00:14:52.890 --> 00:14:55.510 Yeah. Are you going to go to the Romeo Pro or are you going to go to a Max? 00:14:56.550 --> 00:14:59.630 Well, so I run the Romeo 3 Max on my competition gun. 00:14:59.790 --> 00:15:00.910 Oh, that's right. That's right. 00:15:00.970 --> 00:15:07.750 Just competition use. If I switch to something else, I think I will switch to 00:15:07.750 --> 00:15:13.890 an SRO because I'm perfectly happy to run an SRO in my carry context. 00:15:13.950 --> 00:15:18.750 Context of, you know, just what I do in my day-to-day life. And I like the size of the window. 00:15:19.350 --> 00:15:23.270 Yep. So, yep. So I'm going to give you a piece of advice for the SRO though. 00:15:23.410 --> 00:15:25.930 Like, and I do, I love the SRO too. You know how I feel about that. 00:15:26.550 --> 00:15:29.230 When you, well, you always drive, do you ever fly? 00:15:30.330 --> 00:15:31.770 I do fly some. Okay. 00:15:31.770 --> 00:15:35.690 So if you fly and you have that in your case, if it's an upright case, 00:15:35.790 --> 00:15:43.810 you need to take the slide off the frame and put the slide low because I've lost two SROs to TSA. 00:15:44.010 --> 00:15:48.590 Not because the SRO, but because it sits higher and it rests right on top and 00:15:48.590 --> 00:15:52.590 TSA, man, they see locks and cases and they just start throwing stuff. 00:15:52.830 --> 00:15:56.910 And I don't think that's the SRO. I think if, I don't know, man, 00:15:57.030 --> 00:16:00.750 I honestly think about a different optic that was that high up against the thing. 00:16:00.910 --> 00:16:03.650 I might experiment with that, man. I got more hollow suns than I know what to 00:16:03.650 --> 00:16:05.090 do with. I think I'm going to do that. 00:16:05.230 --> 00:16:08.410 I think I'm going to put like some wedge, like a wedge for a, 00:16:09.570 --> 00:16:12.810 platform underneath my guns and put it right at the top and see what happens 00:16:12.810 --> 00:16:17.050 to those hollow suns that'd be interesting i don't know completely off kilter 00:16:17.050 --> 00:16:21.310 nobody cares about that but weird stuff that we think about right yeah. 00:16:23.050 --> 00:16:26.690 A couple other questions, just kind of specific to the dots. 00:16:27.030 --> 00:16:31.330 We covered the mailboxes. We covered battery life. 00:16:32.990 --> 00:16:37.490 So open emitters, what are you seeing there that's working, not working, so forth? 00:16:37.830 --> 00:16:43.650 The king is still the RMR, right? I mean, there's just so many out there in the market. 00:16:44.710 --> 00:16:48.150 The thing of it is the RMR is that heavy lifting, man. 00:16:49.430 --> 00:16:54.350 It's been through hell. It's your first car, right? That your dad had, 00:16:54.510 --> 00:16:56.830 that your older brother had, and now you have, right? 00:16:57.150 --> 00:17:00.430 It's been fixed. It's been repaired. There's been more mods to it, 00:17:00.690 --> 00:17:02.970 right? And the thing just keeps on going, right? 00:17:04.790 --> 00:17:05.750 What would I like to see? 00:17:05.870 --> 00:17:11.070 It's that old Toyota Camry that has 240,000 miles on it. Right. Keeps chugging. Right. 00:17:11.390 --> 00:17:14.090 Yeah. I wouldn't want to stand in front of it. You know what I mean? 00:17:14.090 --> 00:17:15.810 Because it's still going to keep on working, right? 00:17:17.570 --> 00:17:20.310 And the thing about it, man, it's just like that car, man. 00:17:20.310 --> 00:17:23.230 You learn how to fix cars on that car right you learn 00:17:23.230 --> 00:17:26.170 how to shoot the dot on that arm or you do that 00:17:26.170 --> 00:17:30.030 everything else is downhill right yep um what 00:17:30.030 --> 00:17:32.990 would i would like to see from trijicon i you know uh don't change 00:17:32.990 --> 00:17:36.390 the uh the form set you made it one smaller make one 00:17:36.390 --> 00:17:39.890 bigger now make one bigger so 00:17:39.890 --> 00:17:42.770 uh so yeah it's still the trijicon rmar that's 00:17:42.770 --> 00:17:45.730 still the king um what would 00:17:45.730 --> 00:17:49.070 be number two hollow sun yeah all 00:17:49.070 --> 00:17:52.090 varieties the 509 is probably the 509 is probably easy 00:17:52.090 --> 00:17:57.430 number two now because it's so available um everybody likes that closed emitter 00:17:57.430 --> 00:18:03.170 the price point is good um the window is perfectly in between the size of an 00:18:03.170 --> 00:18:09.090 rmr and an sro um so yeah that's easily number two uh. 00:18:09.090 --> 00:18:14.730 And for if if you were limiting it to open emitter would you still say hollow sun and like 00:18:14.730 --> 00:18:19.030 Yeah, probably 508, 507, 508. Yep. Yeah. 00:18:21.583 --> 00:18:25.123 Just because it's so cost-effective, they're durable enough, 00:18:25.343 --> 00:18:29.703 you know what I mean, and good return policy. 00:18:29.923 --> 00:18:33.303 So everything else is just a smattering of stuff. 00:18:33.563 --> 00:18:37.803 Yeah. Yeah. Those two kind of tend to stand out. 00:18:38.023 --> 00:18:44.023 Everything else is clamoring for third place, essentially. Yeah. 00:18:44.483 --> 00:18:47.523 Still a big market, though. Still a huge market, especially, 00:18:47.763 --> 00:18:50.023 you know, I mean, this is what we 00:18:50.023 --> 00:18:54.003 call in business an emerging market that everyone's clamoring to get in. 00:18:54.123 --> 00:18:59.063 And even if you're not top dog, man, there's still a lot of consumer base to go after. 00:18:59.303 --> 00:19:05.543 A lot. I mean, by and large, most gun owners and gun carriers are still not 00:19:05.543 --> 00:19:11.603 running red dots. So there's still a large wave coming in that respect. 00:19:11.823 --> 00:19:12.283 Oh, yeah. 00:19:12.283 --> 00:19:17.423 Uh, I would, I would say that we're past the early adoption phase, 00:19:17.423 --> 00:19:21.483 but not quite, you know, widespread use either. 00:19:21.663 --> 00:19:25.843 So we're, we're definitely on that steep uphill climb and it's growing fast. 00:19:26.123 --> 00:19:26.583 Yep. 00:19:26.843 --> 00:19:29.843 How about on micro pistols? I mean, we see things like the, uh, 00:19:30.543 --> 00:19:34.803 obviously Holston there, the 507, 407 K models, the Romeo zero. 00:19:35.123 --> 00:19:38.363 We've got Swamp Fox with an entry there. We've got, of course, 00:19:38.443 --> 00:19:43.783 the RMSC was the thing for the only thing you had for a couple of years there. 00:19:44.703 --> 00:19:48.403 What are your thoughts there on micro pistols? And is it worthwhile considering 00:19:48.403 --> 00:19:51.183 still having a red dot on micro gun? And if so, which one? 00:19:55.936 --> 00:19:59.756 You're an American. Do what you want. Yeah. Right. If you keep on telling yourself 00:19:59.756 --> 00:20:04.536 that overhang of the larger optic over your mini gun, uh, uh, 00:20:04.736 --> 00:20:07.516 your compact gun is going to cause snagging on your draw. 00:20:07.896 --> 00:20:11.016 You're, you're lying to yourself, man. You just want it to be aesthetically 00:20:11.016 --> 00:20:13.316 pleasing. And I get it. I get it, dude. 00:20:13.656 --> 00:20:16.776 Right. If I'm going to go out there and I'm going to spend, you know, 00:20:17.276 --> 00:20:23.136 uh, four or five, six, maybe seven grand on a custom 1911. 00:20:24.464 --> 00:20:27.884 I think I don't want my optic to overhang, you know what I mean? 00:20:27.964 --> 00:20:30.764 So put on an arm or CC on there. Right. 00:20:31.764 --> 00:20:35.584 Um, if, cause it's just that it's aesthetics guys. First of all, 00:20:35.644 --> 00:20:40.684 I don't understand that your small little compact gun is ugly to begin with. It's not just stop. 00:20:40.944 --> 00:20:44.564 Right. So I'm just kidding. I can't do what you guys do. Do what you want to do. Right. 00:20:44.844 --> 00:20:51.304 But like, it's like, Oh, small guy, small optic. No, stop, stop. 00:20:51.684 --> 00:20:56.364 Right. That's like small car, small steering wheel. No, that's ridiculous. Stop doing that. 00:20:56.804 --> 00:20:59.504 But do what you want. You know what I mean? Again, if I was going to go out 00:20:59.504 --> 00:21:01.844 and I was going to spend like four grand, four or five grand, 00:21:01.964 --> 00:21:06.744 six grand on a Lusbert 1911, get it milled, would I put an arm RCC on there? 00:21:07.724 --> 00:21:12.344 Probably not. But you might want to just because it's so aesthetically pleasing. 00:21:12.344 --> 00:21:15.764 Right the one thing i want to caution people out of right is the whole thing 00:21:15.764 --> 00:21:21.324 if i want a small optic so that i can use my stock iron sights and do an absolute 00:21:21.324 --> 00:21:25.924 co-witness that's ridiculous they're two different sighting systems zero your 00:21:25.924 --> 00:21:30.464 irons zero your dot if they line up that's a byproduct not a, 00:21:31.124 --> 00:21:38.744 not a goal not a goal right and make sure you get a good one the 407 507k great optics right. 00:21:39.804 --> 00:21:42.024 The RMRCC is a great optic. 00:21:42.184 --> 00:21:45.344 As a matter of fact, man, the thing with the RMRCC, dude, if you just looked 00:21:45.344 --> 00:21:48.424 at it and I didn't tell you what it was, you would just think it was a regular RMR. 00:21:48.764 --> 00:21:54.024 You know what I mean? Because it's thinner, only 0.1 millimeters shorter, 00:21:54.204 --> 00:21:56.024 right? So it's a great optic. 00:21:56.184 --> 00:21:58.664 Not a fan of anything made by Shield. 00:22:00.264 --> 00:22:05.624 Hard stop. Swamp Fox, I keep on mentioning them just because... 00:22:07.387 --> 00:22:10.307 They got a great price point and the glass seems 00:22:10.307 --> 00:22:13.807 to be clear uh they have not earned their right 00:22:13.807 --> 00:22:17.247 to be mentioned with those other companies yet uh 00:22:17.247 --> 00:22:20.027 but they're out there they're out 00:22:20.027 --> 00:22:23.167 there so you know it is what it is um i 00:22:23.167 --> 00:22:26.027 think swamp fox is that one's like well you know i've got 00:22:26.027 --> 00:22:29.027 this gun that already came milled from the factory i want 00:22:29.027 --> 00:22:32.587 to try it but i want to spend a lot of cheddar i don't 00:22:32.587 --> 00:22:36.327 want to buy you know something i don't 00:22:36.327 --> 00:22:39.287 know so let's get this and the 00:22:39.287 --> 00:22:42.447 glass is clean the dot's bright you know 00:22:42.447 --> 00:22:45.107 um is it robust i don't think it 00:22:45.107 --> 00:22:48.367 has i don't think it's been brought through enough for anybody to 00:22:48.367 --> 00:22:51.867 uh comment on whether or not it's a robust optic yet i 00:22:51.867 --> 00:22:54.687 don't think anybody's expecting that with the price point either you know 00:22:54.687 --> 00:22:58.987 it's a plinking gun uh it's a plinking optic for the most part right uh hopefully 00:22:58.987 --> 00:23:04.007 i would like to be corrected uh and uh made wrong uh because again more competition 00:23:04.007 --> 00:23:11.087 in the marketplace benefits everybody so um what else uh yeah that's generally 00:23:11.087 --> 00:23:13.747 how i feel about that don't like the sig zero at all. 00:23:14.607 --> 00:23:17.607 Uh i've had uh six come through my classes 00:23:17.607 --> 00:23:20.387 none of them have made it through as a 00:23:20.387 --> 00:23:24.507 matter of fact i don't think any of them have made it through day one okay 00:23:24.507 --> 00:23:28.187 yep yep yep so that's how i feel about small optics but that's the same how 00:23:28.187 --> 00:23:32.227 i feel about guns more gun more better more optic more better for the most part 00:23:32.227 --> 00:23:36.147 you know what i mean uh yes i am a firearms instructor i can carry any gun that 00:23:36.147 --> 00:23:40.667 i want uh for the most part right but you know you do you you do you. 00:23:42.631 --> 00:23:48.771 What would you say is, is your expectation in terms of round count that, 00:23:48.971 --> 00:23:51.931 you know, for a, for a good quality optic? 00:23:53.111 --> 00:23:58.771 I mean, I, I remember a time and I would say even amongst the competition shooters, 00:23:58.951 --> 00:24:01.891 there's plenty of competition shooters that are like perfectly happy to get 00:24:01.891 --> 00:24:03.591 5,000 rounds out of an optic. 00:24:03.871 --> 00:24:06.551 And if they got a warranty, they send it in to get a new one and they, 00:24:06.631 --> 00:24:09.731 you know, carry on their way, you know, but like, what would you say is, 00:24:09.971 --> 00:24:12.331 uh, when you, when we talk about. 00:24:12.631 --> 00:24:16.491 Robustness or durability like what's the expectation based on uh 00:24:16.491 --> 00:24:19.371 To be that top tier yeah 10 grand 00:24:19.371 --> 00:24:25.431 yeah 10 grand uh and i think they're much higher than that right um but for 00:24:25.431 --> 00:24:31.891 most people 10 grand's a lifetime yeah right uh for for me i was about to say 00:24:31.891 --> 00:24:33.011 me and you but you probably shoot 00:24:33.011 --> 00:24:38.751 more than i do these days uh 10 grand is five months for me you know um, 00:24:41.173 --> 00:24:43.893 yeah so uh if we 00:24:43.893 --> 00:24:46.893 do it based on time though um have 00:24:46.893 --> 00:24:49.853 i had any of my optics fail in five 00:24:49.853 --> 00:24:52.873 months i have not i have not right 00:24:52.873 --> 00:24:56.133 but i think to be considered a a true 00:24:56.133 --> 00:24:59.473 player um 10 grand 00:24:59.473 --> 00:25:02.433 yeah 10 yeah 10 10 000 00:25:02.433 --> 00:25:09.733 rounds and i and i think you can be counted amongst uh the echelon of getting 00:25:09.733 --> 00:25:14.933 there yeah i'm getting there so on the other hand with the acro i wouldn't even 00:25:14.933 --> 00:25:20.453 give my blessing until i hit five months and uh six thousand so yep cool. 00:25:20.453 --> 00:25:23.693 Cool that's that's all good information yeah i 00:25:23.693 --> 00:25:28.393 i go through this with you just again because you see more than anybody and 00:25:28.393 --> 00:25:32.673 and i want my listeners to make good choices you know i mean obviously like 00:25:32.673 --> 00:25:36.753 you said it's america do what you want yep uh maybe as someone maybe a person 00:25:36.753 --> 00:25:39.693 considers themselves just a plinker and a hobbyist and like, 00:25:39.793 --> 00:25:40.893 okay, whatever, do your thing. 00:25:41.453 --> 00:25:45.173 But, uh, this is the concealed carry podcast. People are carrying more and more 00:25:45.173 --> 00:25:47.893 optics, uh, on their concealed pistols. 00:25:48.533 --> 00:25:52.293 And, um, you know, I want to know, I want our listeners to know what's working, 00:25:52.473 --> 00:25:54.433 what's get, you know, what has the reputation, 00:25:54.773 --> 00:25:59.073 what make, make a, make the best informed, well-informed decision you can, 00:25:59.273 --> 00:26:06.033 uh, for on that gun that you are carrying for, to, to, uh, save your life with. So, yeah, yeah. 00:26:06.933 --> 00:26:11.073 Cool. So what, you know, now we start making the, let's make that crossover 00:26:11.073 --> 00:26:14.493 into now optic attached to pistol, 00:26:14.693 --> 00:26:16.033 Right? 00:26:16.673 --> 00:26:21.613 Mounting solutions. Uh, what works, maybe what's not working so well, 00:26:21.753 --> 00:26:25.593 what, what's, what's king of the hill and what are some things you see that, 00:26:25.733 --> 00:26:27.653 uh, are frequent causes for failures? 00:26:27.653 --> 00:26:32.893 Yeah, so we're in a period of... 00:26:35.069 --> 00:26:39.349 We're like in the beginning of the enlightenment with mounting solutions, right? 00:26:39.549 --> 00:26:47.589 We used to think that we were, but, you know, 2012, 13, 14, we were just discovering fire. 00:26:48.149 --> 00:26:51.249 We didn't know what that was going to do with it, but we were discovering it. 00:26:51.489 --> 00:26:55.889 You know what I mean? Old school guys, you know, Dave Bowie, 00:26:56.209 --> 00:27:02.429 Doug Holloway, you know, there's a couple other old school guys that did that 00:27:02.429 --> 00:27:04.729 stuff as well. Man, those dudes discovered fire. 00:27:05.069 --> 00:27:06.889 God bless them. God bless them, right? 00:27:07.329 --> 00:27:12.389 Now we come modern day age where most factories have a carry optics ready or 00:27:12.389 --> 00:27:15.529 an optics ready pistol. And then the mounting solutions come in. 00:27:17.409 --> 00:27:22.609 Most mounting solutions in the beginning were not good. 00:27:23.582 --> 00:27:26.362 We're not good at all right the mos is the 00:27:26.362 --> 00:27:30.902 mos is still garbage sorry glock love you it's still garbage you know what i 00:27:30.902 --> 00:27:37.762 mean um what but much like everything else glock does it starts off with his 00:27:37.762 --> 00:27:44.522 uh accessories being garbage and then an entire aftermarket uh grows out of it right um, 00:27:45.142 --> 00:27:48.462 before we start talking about those mounting solutions though the aftermarket ones i will 00:27:48.712 --> 00:27:52.452 you this um you know uh fn was 00:27:52.452 --> 00:27:55.432 the first one who got it right the very first try out uh their 00:27:55.432 --> 00:27:58.372 mounting solution is probably uh for 00:27:58.372 --> 00:28:02.292 a factory mounting solutions is probably the best in the industry best in the 00:28:02.292 --> 00:28:07.392