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Riley Bowman: This re-released episode, as I mentioned, was recorded with Scott Jadlinski
Riley Bowman: of Modern Samurai Project back in December of 2021.
Riley Bowman: And we were talking about setting up your Red Dot Pistol for success.
Riley Bowman: On our YouTube channel, we get comments about this episode.
Riley Bowman: I think that, you know, obviously Scott Jadlinski, if you're not familiar with
Riley Bowman: him, he is the owner of Modern Samurai Project. He is a full-time firearms instructor and coach.
Riley Bowman: He travels the country teaching citizens as well as law enforcement and military
Riley Bowman: how to more effectively shoot and especially how to better use and shoot with an optic on pistols.
Riley Bowman: I would say he is the country's foremost expert in doing this.
Riley Bowman: And so that's why we had him on the podcast a couple of years ago.
Riley Bowman: He's actually been on more than once.
Riley Bowman: I think I originally had him on the podcast back in, I want to say, 2019 or thereabouts.
Riley Bowman: After I had attended his course with him, I actually traveled to Iowa to take that course.
Riley Bowman: And it was a fantastic course. And if you ever have the opportunity to train
Riley Bowman: with him, I would encourage you to do so. You can learn more about his courses
Riley Bowman: at modernsamurayproject.com.
Riley Bowman: Anyway, we had him on a couple of times now, probably time to get him on again, I would say.
Riley Bowman: But this, again, was a very important episode that I thought was worth resharing
Riley Bowman: again, just shy of four years after it was initially released.
Riley Bowman: So I know you're going to enjoy listening to this episode today with Scott Jablinski.
Riley Bowman: He's a friend of mine, and I'm also one of his endorsed instructors,
Riley Bowman: having also gone through his instructor development course as well.
Riley Bowman: So enjoy this episode i'll see you on the flip side for a quick outro thanks for listening
Riley Bowman: Jedi you see more of this than anybody
Riley Bowman: in the industry probably so you know you see all kinds
Riley Bowman: of pistols come through your classes you see all
Riley Bowman: kinds of red dots on those guns you see
Riley Bowman: all kinds of mounting solutions uh so
Riley Bowman: what i wanted to start with here today is i don't
Riley Bowman: think we really did this any justice the last time we had you on we were probably
Riley Bowman: more focused on the some of the more technique stuff a couple questions related
Riley Bowman: to what we were just on uh so first of all uh closed emitter versus open emitter
Riley Bowman: okay how important is that really i
Scott Jedlinski: Think it depends on what you do right i think if you're a concealed carrier
Scott Jedlinski: uh and you're most of the time your optic is covered with a garment and.
Scott Jedlinski: Uh, exposure to the elements isn't all that important.
Scott Jedlinski: Okay. Number one, right. If you are a professional, right. Law enforcement or
Scott Jedlinski: military, and there could be times where you're out in the elements, right.
Scott Jedlinski: Uh, even though I'm still looking for that officer that comes to my class,
Scott Jedlinski: it's been in that gunfight in the rain with the pistol still hasn't happened
Scott Jedlinski: yet, but, um, where the sites mattered, right.
Scott Jedlinski: I guess I should say, uh, still looking for that guy, but you know,
Scott Jedlinski: you have more of a propensity to be in those situations, then closed emitter
Scott Jedlinski: might be more, you know, attractive to you.
Scott Jedlinski: If you're a SEAL doing saltwater beach landings, then you need a closed emitter.
Scott Jedlinski: You know, you'll do, according to my buddy, Kyle DeFore, an open emitter will
Scott Jedlinski: make about one or two, and then the saltwater just eats it alive.
Scott Jedlinski: So you need a closed emitter for of that stuff right it really depends on
Scott Jedlinski: what you do and your price point the great thing is man holy
Scott Jedlinski: cow if you work the discounts right if you
Scott Jedlinski: time it just right you can get an amazing optic for 250 275 bucks that's going
Scott Jedlinski: to last you 10 000 15 000 rounds these days with like things like with like
Scott Jedlinski: hollow sun offerings and things like that what a great time what a great time
Scott Jedlinski: to be alive i get excited about silly stuff like that it.
Riley Bowman: Really is i mean
Riley Bowman: how much how far we've come in just three or four years in this space is quite
Riley Bowman: remarkable i remember wandering the shot show floor uh like four years ago five years ago maybe
Riley Bowman: that's probably like four years ago and i remember saying like i what i said
Riley Bowman: i think it was four years ago and i said five years from now every manufacturer
Riley Bowman: We'll make pistols that are optic ready and we'll be seeing pistols where that's becoming the thing.
Riley Bowman: Like it becomes like standard equipment almost, you know, and we actually...
Riley Bowman: And not that I'm a special profit or anything like that, but that was kind of
Riley Bowman: my observation, walking around, kind of, you know, paying attention to the feel of the industry.
Riley Bowman: I was like, that's what's going to happen. It's actually happened a lot quicker
Riley Bowman: than what I anticipated myself.
Riley Bowman: So it really is a remarkable time that we're in.
Riley Bowman: So a couple other questions. So you talked about closed emitters.
Riley Bowman: I do feel like I would be remiss if I didn't explain for the sake of some of
Riley Bowman: our newer listeners, closed emitter versus open emitter.
Riley Bowman: Closed is where the optic, everything is enclosed within a box,
Riley Bowman: okay, to keep it simple, right?
Riley Bowman: So with these red dot optics, you have an emitter. It's a little point source
Riley Bowman: of light that, you know, basically like shining like a, almost like a laser
Riley Bowman: beam, although it's not exactly a laser.
Riley Bowman: It's not blinding your, your, or burning your retina or anything like that,
Riley Bowman: but shining a little led light that's focused in a point hits the glass,
Riley Bowman: comes back, bounces to your eye.
Riley Bowman: So that's where you see the red dot. You got to have that source of light coming
Riley Bowman: from somewhere to bounce off the glass.
Riley Bowman: So closed emitter, it's all enclosed. It's protected from the weather,
Riley Bowman: from the elements, from the dust open emitter.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. You can get some water in there. You can get some water on the glass.
Riley Bowman: You'll get some dust on there, whatever. It might occlude some of your vision and stuff.
Riley Bowman: Typically it'll work just fine, but sometimes if it got bad enough, maybe it won't.
Riley Bowman: But to your point, if you're carrying concealed, probably not the biggest concern.
Riley Bowman: Or also the other point, you have yet to meet a law enforcement officer that
Riley Bowman: actually was in a gunfight where that would have mattered, where they were in
Riley Bowman: a downpouring rain and it would have caused their optic to not work.
Scott Jedlinski: Yep. All right.
Riley Bowman: Battery life. I'm going to ask about that. Cause you touched on that a little
Riley Bowman: bit, like the Acro P2 from, uh, from Aimpoint, uh, they came up with the P1 a few years ago.
Riley Bowman: Uh, everyone was all excited, but then they found out, oh, the battery lasts like a month.
Riley Bowman: And, and that was, uh, you know, some people probably be like,
Riley Bowman: well, it's not a big deal. Cause it's, I can just change it externally.
Riley Bowman: It doesn't, you know, I just make sure I change my battery every few weeks and
Riley Bowman: move on with life, but it's not ideal.
Riley Bowman: So what are we seeing these days that is, when you say has something has good
Riley Bowman: battery life, what does that mean? What is good battery life considered?
Scott Jedlinski: Um, I, so people are going to be probably, um, a little surprised by my answer on this. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: So, uh, functionally for me, good battery life, three months.
Scott Jedlinski: Three months right um and this
Scott Jedlinski: is not scientific this is just me knowing me
Scott Jedlinski: about someone who probably has other
Scott Jedlinski: than that person getting into that self-defense encounter whose dots gone
Scott Jedlinski: out there's probably no one else that had whereas more of an embarrassing situation
Scott Jedlinski: then they set up to the line and their dots gone out than me right as an instructor
Scott Jedlinski: okay so the rule of thumb um i don't know where if i just made this up right
Scott Jedlinski: guys right when i take whatever the manufacturer's rating is For example, the RMR is two years,
Scott Jedlinski: and I divide by four.
Scott Jedlinski: So with the RMR, I would change it out every six months.
Scott Jedlinski: Then with the side and top loading batteries and stuff like that,
Scott Jedlinski: I'm like, well, it's so easy.
Scott Jedlinski: Let me do a little insurance policy and cut that in half and did three months.
Scott Jedlinski: So I change out all my batteries every three months. Okay.
Scott Jedlinski: I think when you're talking quarterly, that is a substantial amount of time.
Scott Jedlinski: Anybody can put that on their calendar or remember that, right?
Scott Jedlinski: It's a good chunk of time where you're not constantly worried about,
Scott Jedlinski: oh, it's my battery dead. It's my battery dead. It's my battery dead, right?
Scott Jedlinski: Four to six weeks, you're constantly worrying about that, right?
Scott Jedlinski: Because life goes through cycles.
Scott Jedlinski: And there've been too many times when people came to my class with an Acro P1
Scott Jedlinski: and their batteries went dead, right? I would literally joke,
Scott Jedlinski: you bring extra batteries.
Scott Jedlinski: They're like, yep, okay, TD1 or TD2, 11 o'clock.
Scott Jedlinski: Well, sorry, got to go change out my battery, right?
Scott Jedlinski: That was unacceptable to me, and I was very vocal about that, right?
Scott Jedlinski: Just as vocal as I've had the P2, and the thing's been flawless.
Scott Jedlinski: I've had it for five months. Cody at Walther gave it to me, had it for a month before that.
Scott Jedlinski: So that battery's on for six months on the same battery through various lighting
Scott Jedlinski: conditions, and it's been absolutely flawed. So good job, Aimpoint,
Scott Jedlinski: coming back to living up to your own standard, right?
Scott Jedlinski: So why is three months my thing? It's just because it's a quarterly thing, right?
Scott Jedlinski: I will tell you, though, that the other reason why in testing that out is if
Scott Jedlinski: you run the 509 or the SRO in various lighting conditions,
Scott Jedlinski: right, always changing them like I do.
Scott Jedlinski: You know, one day I could be in Overcast, Pennsylvania. The next day I'm in,
Scott Jedlinski: you know, Broward County, Florida, right, constantly changing,
Scott Jedlinski: blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. if you run those optics hard, it's three to four months on the battery.
Scott Jedlinski: I don't care what Trijicon or Holosun says. It's three to four months on the battery. Okay.
Scott Jedlinski: Now, is that a deal breaker?
Scott Jedlinski: Absolutely not. Like I said, I had that quarterly three month thing in my head
Scott Jedlinski: well before those wind up being that way.
Scott Jedlinski: So it's arbitrary. It's completely arbitrary. It's not scientific.
Scott Jedlinski: I just, you know, you can base things out on quarterly, you know,
Scott Jedlinski: everyone's heard of a quarterly business plan, you know, or quarterly budget, right?
Scott Jedlinski: Or something to that effect, right? So quarterly is how I judge batteries,
Scott Jedlinski: your mileage may differ, but that, that bellwether has served me well.
Riley Bowman: So I'm in the same boat. I changed my battery and my optics every three months.
Scott Jedlinski: Oh, see, we didn't even talk about that. I didn't know that. Okay, cool.
Riley Bowman: Yep. Now, some of that's because I have to with my particular optic.
Riley Bowman: You know I'm running the Romeo 1. Okay. Still. Yeah. That might change this year. We'll see.
Scott Jedlinski: But you're doing the 1 or the Pro?
Riley Bowman: Mine is the 1.
Scott Jedlinski: Oh, Jesus. Come on, bro.
Riley Bowman: Get out of here. Dude, I'm still on the original one that I've had since I bought my first.
Riley Bowman: I got it because I bought the SIG 320 RXP model, just the standard model, however many years ago.
Riley Bowman: I think four years ago now. I bought it, maybe three and a half.
Riley Bowman: And I bought it just to start playing with the red dot. And I started playing
Riley Bowman: with it, started playing with it, shot it, still keep running it.
Riley Bowman: And I have documented in excess of 20,000 rounds on that optic.
Scott Jedlinski: How old is that optic?
Riley Bowman: It is three. I'd have to go check some paperwork, but it's, it's more than three years old.
Scott Jedlinski: So it's a hollow sun.
Riley Bowman: So, I just keep running it, but the battery life's not that great on it.
Riley Bowman: But every three months, I change it out.
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah. Are you going to go to the Romeo Pro or are you going to go to a Max?
Riley Bowman: Well, so I run the Romeo 3 Max on my competition gun.
Scott Jedlinski: Oh, that's right. That's right.
Riley Bowman: Just competition use. If I switch to something else, I think I will switch to
Riley Bowman: an SRO because I'm perfectly happy to run an SRO in my carry context.
Riley Bowman: Context of, you know, just what I do in my day-to-day life. And I like the size of the window.
Scott Jedlinski: Yep. So, yep. So I'm going to give you a piece of advice for the SRO though.
Scott Jedlinski: Like, and I do, I love the SRO too. You know how I feel about that.
Scott Jedlinski: When you, well, you always drive, do you ever fly?
Riley Bowman: I do fly some. Okay.
Scott Jedlinski: So if you fly and you have that in your case, if it's an upright case,
Scott Jedlinski: you need to take the slide off the frame and put the slide low because I've lost two SROs to TSA.
Scott Jedlinski: Not because the SRO, but because it sits higher and it rests right on top and
Scott Jedlinski: TSA, man, they see locks and cases and they just start throwing stuff.
Scott Jedlinski: And I don't think that's the SRO. I think if, I don't know, man,
Scott Jedlinski: I honestly think about a different optic that was that high up against the thing.
Scott Jedlinski: I might experiment with that, man. I got more hollow suns than I know what to
Scott Jedlinski: do with. I think I'm going to do that.
Scott Jedlinski: I think I'm going to put like some wedge, like a wedge for a,
Scott Jedlinski: platform underneath my guns and put it right at the top and see what happens
Scott Jedlinski: to those hollow suns that'd be interesting i don't know completely off kilter
Scott Jedlinski: nobody cares about that but weird stuff that we think about right yeah.
Riley Bowman: A couple other questions, just kind of specific to the dots.
Riley Bowman: We covered the mailboxes. We covered battery life.
Riley Bowman: So open emitters, what are you seeing there that's working, not working, so forth?
Scott Jedlinski: The king is still the RMR, right? I mean, there's just so many out there in the market.
Scott Jedlinski: The thing of it is the RMR is that heavy lifting, man.
Scott Jedlinski: It's been through hell. It's your first car, right? That your dad had,
Scott Jedlinski: that your older brother had, and now you have, right?
Scott Jedlinski: It's been fixed. It's been repaired. There's been more mods to it,
Scott Jedlinski: right? And the thing just keeps on going, right?
Scott Jedlinski: What would I like to see?
Riley Bowman: It's that old Toyota Camry that has 240,000 miles on it. Right. Keeps chugging. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah. I wouldn't want to stand in front of it. You know what I mean?
Scott Jedlinski: Because it's still going to keep on working, right?
Scott Jedlinski: And the thing about it, man, it's just like that car, man.
Scott Jedlinski: You learn how to fix cars on that car right you learn
Scott Jedlinski: how to shoot the dot on that arm or you do that
Scott Jedlinski: everything else is downhill right yep um what
Scott Jedlinski: would i would like to see from trijicon i you know uh don't change
Scott Jedlinski: the uh the form set you made it one smaller make one
Scott Jedlinski: bigger now make one bigger so
Scott Jedlinski: uh so yeah it's still the trijicon rmar that's
Scott Jedlinski: still the king um what would
Scott Jedlinski: be number two hollow sun yeah all
Scott Jedlinski: varieties the 509 is probably the 509 is probably easy
Scott Jedlinski: number two now because it's so available um everybody likes that closed emitter
Scott Jedlinski: the price point is good um the window is perfectly in between the size of an
Scott Jedlinski: rmr and an sro um so yeah that's easily number two uh.
Riley Bowman: And for if if you were limiting it to open emitter would you still say hollow sun and like
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah, probably 508, 507, 508. Yep. Yeah.
Scott Jedlinski: Just because it's so cost-effective, they're durable enough,
Scott Jedlinski: you know what I mean, and good return policy.
Scott Jedlinski: So everything else is just a smattering of stuff.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Yeah. Those two kind of tend to stand out.
Riley Bowman: Everything else is clamoring for third place, essentially. Yeah.
Scott Jedlinski: Still a big market, though. Still a huge market, especially,
Scott Jedlinski: you know, I mean, this is what we
Scott Jedlinski: call in business an emerging market that everyone's clamoring to get in.
Scott Jedlinski: And even if you're not top dog, man, there's still a lot of consumer base to go after.
Riley Bowman: A lot. I mean, by and large, most gun owners and gun carriers are still not
Riley Bowman: running red dots. So there's still a large wave coming in that respect.
Scott Jedlinski: Oh, yeah.
Riley Bowman: Uh, I would, I would say that we're past the early adoption phase,
Riley Bowman: but not quite, you know, widespread use either.
Riley Bowman: So we're, we're definitely on that steep uphill climb and it's growing fast.
Scott Jedlinski: Yep.
Riley Bowman: How about on micro pistols? I mean, we see things like the, uh,
Riley Bowman: obviously Holston there, the 507, 407 K models, the Romeo zero.
Riley Bowman: We've got Swamp Fox with an entry there. We've got, of course,
Riley Bowman: the RMSC was the thing for the only thing you had for a couple of years there.
Riley Bowman: What are your thoughts there on micro pistols? And is it worthwhile considering
Riley Bowman: still having a red dot on micro gun? And if so, which one?
Scott Jedlinski: You're an American. Do what you want. Yeah. Right. If you keep on telling yourself
Scott Jedlinski: that overhang of the larger optic over your mini gun, uh, uh,
Scott Jedlinski: your compact gun is going to cause snagging on your draw.
Scott Jedlinski: You're, you're lying to yourself, man. You just want it to be aesthetically
Scott Jedlinski: pleasing. And I get it. I get it, dude.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. If I'm going to go out there and I'm going to spend, you know,
Scott Jedlinski: uh, four or five, six, maybe seven grand on a custom 1911.
Scott Jedlinski: I think I don't want my optic to overhang, you know what I mean?
Scott Jedlinski: So put on an arm or CC on there. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: Um, if, cause it's just that it's aesthetics guys. First of all,
Scott Jedlinski: I don't understand that your small little compact gun is ugly to begin with. It's not just stop.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. So I'm just kidding. I can't do what you guys do. Do what you want to do. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: But like, it's like, Oh, small guy, small optic. No, stop, stop.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. That's like small car, small steering wheel. No, that's ridiculous. Stop doing that.
Scott Jedlinski: But do what you want. You know what I mean? Again, if I was going to go out
Scott Jedlinski: and I was going to spend like four grand, four or five grand,
Scott Jedlinski: six grand on a Lusbert 1911, get it milled, would I put an arm RCC on there?
Scott Jedlinski: Probably not. But you might want to just because it's so aesthetically pleasing.
Scott Jedlinski: Right the one thing i want to caution people out of right is the whole thing
Scott Jedlinski: if i want a small optic so that i can use my stock iron sights and do an absolute
Scott Jedlinski: co-witness that's ridiculous they're two different sighting systems zero your
Scott Jedlinski: irons zero your dot if they line up that's a byproduct not a,
Scott Jedlinski: not a goal not a goal right and make sure you get a good one the 407 507k great optics right.
Scott Jedlinski: The RMRCC is a great optic.
Scott Jedlinski: As a matter of fact, man, the thing with the RMRCC, dude, if you just looked
Scott Jedlinski: at it and I didn't tell you what it was, you would just think it was a regular RMR.
Scott Jedlinski: You know what I mean? Because it's thinner, only 0.1 millimeters shorter,
Scott Jedlinski: right? So it's a great optic.
Scott Jedlinski: Not a fan of anything made by Shield.
Scott Jedlinski: Hard stop. Swamp Fox, I keep on mentioning them just because...
Scott Jedlinski: They got a great price point and the glass seems
Scott Jedlinski: to be clear uh they have not earned their right
Scott Jedlinski: to be mentioned with those other companies yet uh
Scott Jedlinski: but they're out there they're out
Scott Jedlinski: there so you know it is what it is um i
Scott Jedlinski: think swamp fox is that one's like well you know i've got
Scott Jedlinski: this gun that already came milled from the factory i want
Scott Jedlinski: to try it but i want to spend a lot of cheddar i don't
Scott Jedlinski: want to buy you know something i don't
Scott Jedlinski: know so let's get this and the
Scott Jedlinski: glass is clean the dot's bright you know
Scott Jedlinski: um is it robust i don't think it
Scott Jedlinski: has i don't think it's been brought through enough for anybody to
Scott Jedlinski: uh comment on whether or not it's a robust optic yet i
Scott Jedlinski: don't think anybody's expecting that with the price point either you know
Scott Jedlinski: it's a plinking gun uh it's a plinking optic for the most part right uh hopefully
Scott Jedlinski: i would like to be corrected uh and uh made wrong uh because again more competition
Scott Jedlinski: in the marketplace benefits everybody so um what else uh yeah that's generally
Scott Jedlinski: how i feel about that don't like the sig zero at all.
Scott Jedlinski: Uh i've had uh six come through my classes
Scott Jedlinski: none of them have made it through as a
Scott Jedlinski: matter of fact i don't think any of them have made it through day one okay
Scott Jedlinski: yep yep yep so that's how i feel about small optics but that's the same how
Scott Jedlinski: i feel about guns more gun more better more optic more better for the most part
Scott Jedlinski: you know what i mean uh yes i am a firearms instructor i can carry any gun that
Scott Jedlinski: i want uh for the most part right but you know you do you you do you.
Riley Bowman: What would you say is, is your expectation in terms of round count that,
Riley Bowman: you know, for a, for a good quality optic?
Riley Bowman: I mean, I, I remember a time and I would say even amongst the competition shooters,
Riley Bowman: there's plenty of competition shooters that are like perfectly happy to get
Riley Bowman: 5,000 rounds out of an optic.
Riley Bowman: And if they got a warranty, they send it in to get a new one and they,
Riley Bowman: you know, carry on their way, you know, but like, what would you say is,
Riley Bowman: uh, when you, when we talk about.
Riley Bowman: Robustness or durability like what's the expectation based on uh
Scott Jedlinski: To be that top tier yeah 10 grand
Scott Jedlinski: yeah 10 grand uh and i think they're much higher than that right um but for
Scott Jedlinski: most people 10 grand's a lifetime yeah right uh for for me i was about to say
Scott Jedlinski: me and you but you probably shoot
Scott Jedlinski: more than i do these days uh 10 grand is five months for me you know um,
Scott Jedlinski: yeah so uh if we
Scott Jedlinski: do it based on time though um have
Scott Jedlinski: i had any of my optics fail in five
Scott Jedlinski: months i have not i have not right
Scott Jedlinski: but i think to be considered a a true
Scott Jedlinski: player um 10 grand
Scott Jedlinski: yeah 10 yeah 10 10 000
Scott Jedlinski: rounds and i and i think you can be counted amongst uh the echelon of getting
Scott Jedlinski: there yeah i'm getting there so on the other hand with the acro i wouldn't even
Scott Jedlinski: give my blessing until i hit five months and uh six thousand so yep cool.
Riley Bowman: Cool that's that's all good information yeah i
Riley Bowman: i go through this with you just again because you see more than anybody and
Riley Bowman: and i want my listeners to make good choices you know i mean obviously like
Riley Bowman: you said it's america do what you want yep uh maybe as someone maybe a person
Riley Bowman: considers themselves just a plinker and a hobbyist and like,
Riley Bowman: okay, whatever, do your thing.
Riley Bowman: But, uh, this is the concealed carry podcast. People are carrying more and more
Riley Bowman: optics, uh, on their concealed pistols.
Riley Bowman: And, um, you know, I want to know, I want our listeners to know what's working,
Riley Bowman: what's get, you know, what has the reputation,
Riley Bowman: what make, make a, make the best informed, well-informed decision you can,
Riley Bowman: uh, for on that gun that you are carrying for, to, to, uh, save your life with. So, yeah, yeah.
Riley Bowman: Cool. So what, you know, now we start making the, let's make that crossover
Riley Bowman: into now optic attached to pistol,
Scott Jedlinski: Right?
Riley Bowman: Mounting solutions. Uh, what works, maybe what's not working so well,
Riley Bowman: what, what's, what's king of the hill and what are some things you see that,
Riley Bowman: uh, are frequent causes for failures?
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah, so we're in a period of...
Scott Jedlinski: We're like in the beginning of the enlightenment with mounting solutions, right?
Scott Jedlinski: We used to think that we were, but, you know, 2012, 13, 14, we were just discovering fire.
Scott Jedlinski: We didn't know what that was going to do with it, but we were discovering it.
Scott Jedlinski: You know what I mean? Old school guys, you know, Dave Bowie,
Scott Jedlinski: Doug Holloway, you know, there's a couple other old school guys that did that
Scott Jedlinski: stuff as well. Man, those dudes discovered fire.
Scott Jedlinski: God bless them. God bless them, right?
Scott Jedlinski: Now we come modern day age where most factories have a carry optics ready or
Scott Jedlinski: an optics ready pistol. And then the mounting solutions come in.
Scott Jedlinski: Most mounting solutions in the beginning were not good.
Scott Jedlinski: We're not good at all right the mos is the
Scott Jedlinski: mos is still garbage sorry glock love you it's still garbage you know what i
Scott Jedlinski: mean um what but much like everything else glock does it starts off with his
Scott Jedlinski: uh accessories being garbage and then an entire aftermarket uh grows out of it right um,
Scott Jedlinski: before we start talking about those mounting solutions though the aftermarket ones i will
Scott Jedlinski: you this um you know uh fn was
Scott Jedlinski: the first one who got it right the very first try out uh their
Scott Jedlinski: mounting solution is probably uh for
Scott Jedlinski: a factory mounting solutions is probably the best in the industry best in the
Scott Jedlinski: industry right um and everyone kind of discounts fn i mean they were the they
Scott Jedlinski: were the production og with the fnx 45 tactical man um i i used to have one
Scott Jedlinski: and i never had problems with that gun and its mounting solution.
Scott Jedlinski: But then with the 509, they did a great job on that. Everybody else, meh.
Scott Jedlinski: Walther came late into the game, and they had all the bosses and everything
Scott Jedlinski: like that, so they did a good job, but they were late in the game, right?
Scott Jedlinski: But primarily, it was Glock and SIG, right, and M&P.
Scott Jedlinski: And from that, you have an entire aftermarket plate issue, more notably CNH
Scott Jedlinski: Precision, right? Mm-hmm.
Scott Jedlinski: Who Buck and them kind of changed the game, taking and working with Zev about
Scott Jedlinski: the mounting posts and stuff, kind of changing the way we think about how things
Scott Jedlinski: have to be mounted and things of that nature.
Scott Jedlinski: And they've absolutely exploded.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. There's some growing pains. Sure.
Scott Jedlinski: You know, name the company that explodes like that, that is growing pains.
Scott Jedlinski: And I'll show you a company that's lying to you.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. But every day they innovate And for right now For most applications man
Scott Jedlinski: They're the de facto choice A lot of other good options out there Forward controls
Scott Jedlinski: Forward design controls Great company Good designs,
Scott Jedlinski: Scott Springer Precision has been making adapter plates For competition based
Scott Jedlinski: guns For a while now Those are good products and everything So I think we have.
Scott Jedlinski: We have the core answer in the aftermarket available for all factory options, right?
Scott Jedlinski: I think some of the things that we're looking out for that we're still at,
Scott Jedlinski: we're still not there is that it's still just not a, the offering is not ubiquitously
Scott Jedlinski: consistent. How about that?
Scott Jedlinski: I should make Aaron Cowan pay me $100 for those two words, man.
Scott Jedlinski: You know what I mean though? Yep. You know what I mean? I have plates from CNH
Scott Jedlinski: or other companies that are bulletproof.
Scott Jedlinski: I have others that I can't run out of downward elevation on it because the plate's out of spec.
Scott Jedlinski: It is what it is. For me, it's not that big of a deal. I just call and pay for
Scott Jedlinski: getting it overnight or something like that.
Scott Jedlinski: But for your average user, I think that's something that manufacturers.
Scott Jedlinski: And Buck's a very good friend of mine. He's a business partner of mine,
Scott Jedlinski: very good friend of mine. Right. But I'm talking to all the guys who manufacture
Scott Jedlinski: mounting solutions, right?
Scott Jedlinski: You need to know that for the average dude, that hundred bucks he just paid
Scott Jedlinski: while he's waiting at his door with his blue Loctite and his Wheeler,
Scott Jedlinski: uh, torque, uh, you know, uh, uh, screw, uh, screwdriver.
Scott Jedlinski: Uh, that's a lot of money to him. Right. And we need to get it to the point
Scott Jedlinski: where it is ubiquitously consistent. And that's what I'd like to see out of
Scott Jedlinski: those, I don't see how those guys they're right there, man.
Scott Jedlinski: They're, they are right there. Right. And believe me, man, you know,
Scott Jedlinski: I probably have the closest relationship with Buck and when it doesn't happen
Scott Jedlinski: and I hear about it, he hears about it and he takes it on the chin, sometimes too hard.
Scott Jedlinski: No, I'm just kidding. Like, let me, buddy, you know, but it's all about everybody getting better.
Scott Jedlinski: You know what I mean? So there's that. Um.
Scott Jedlinski: The biggest thing where people fall down in the install is the installation process, right?
Scott Jedlinski: I can't tell you, especially my LE brothers. I love you to death,
Scott Jedlinski: man. But you got to put Threadlocker on your stuff.
Scott Jedlinski: You got to do it. You got to.
Scott Jedlinski: I mean, just throw the blue stuff on there, man. You're a gun guy.
Scott Jedlinski: You probably have blue Loctite coming out your drawers right now,
Scott Jedlinski: you know, from all the stuff that you bought.
Scott Jedlinski: Some people love VC3.
Scott Jedlinski: I'm not smart enough to use, yeah, I, yeah, I'm not smart enough to use ViberTite VC3, I guess, right?
Scott Jedlinski: I just turn everything pink and nothing seems to stay.
Scott Jedlinski: I have other dudes, my buddy, Jim Dexter, that, you know, swears,
Scott Jedlinski: swears on the Bible with that stuff, man.
Scott Jedlinski: But so here's what I do, right?
Scott Jedlinski: Just so everybody knows, right? But I'm a little bit, I'm extreme in that,
Scott Jedlinski: but I, I have my setup pretty much down.
Scott Jedlinski: If it is a screw-mounted one, like all your open emitters for the most part
Scott Jedlinski: are screw-mounted ones, right?
Scott Jedlinski: Now, these days, for the plate, I am red-lock-tyking the base plate down.
Scott Jedlinski: I skip Viber-Tite. I skip the blue. I red-lock-type that thing, okay?
Scott Jedlinski: Now, I'm fortunate that I have enough guns that I can just...
Scott Jedlinski: I don't, if I want to try another optic, I just go get another gun. You know what I mean?
Scott Jedlinski: That sounds conceited and stuff like that, but it is what it is guys.
Scott Jedlinski: That's what I do for a living. You know what I mean?
Scott Jedlinski: Uh, to where I don't have to worry about changing out plates and now plates.
Scott Jedlinski: I mean, you know, if I want to try a Holosun or a Trijicon product,
Scott Jedlinski: it's the same plate. You know what I mean?
Scott Jedlinski: Um, uh, yeah.
Riley Bowman: Well, and you know, people, I hear we going with this because,
Riley Bowman: you know, I mean like that plate is the thing is, is that for instance,
Riley Bowman: on an optic, on an open optic, an emitter optic i i assume that you witness mark your screws
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah right i remember too yeah yep yeah.
Riley Bowman: To make sure that you can you know inspect your equipment like you should and
Riley Bowman: yep things are still where they should be nothing's backing out you know that
Riley Bowman: kind of thing but it's hard to do that with a plate that you don't see like you can't
Scott Jedlinski: Right like.
Riley Bowman: A plate's good until it's not right yeah it fails and you're like oh crap so
Riley Bowman: like i could totally see the logic in that red lock tight lock that sucker down
Riley Bowman: never hopefully it never ever ever moves and if you do have to swap it out well
Riley Bowman: you know what it's not impossible to move it's just it's more
Scott Jedlinski: No it's actually quite easy i have a i have a travel pack
Scott Jedlinski: soldering iron that i bought at lowe's for 14 bucks heat
Scott Jedlinski: that sucker up put it on the screw wait for a minute heat
Scott Jedlinski: the other one up wait for a minute boom it can come right
Scott Jedlinski: out you know exactly um and it is the foundation it
Scott Jedlinski: is the foundation uh for the regular screws uh the
Scott Jedlinski: uh the mounting screws i just use blue loctite right the
Scott Jedlinski: key is guys you don't need they don't need to turn the screw blue
Scott Jedlinski: man it's just a little bit just a little bit and what
Scott Jedlinski: i still do is i go all the way down all the way up all the way down uh the one
Scott Jedlinski: thing i will say for example because they use the m3 screws cnh only uh recommends
Scott Jedlinski: 10 um inch pounds of torque i'm mongo that thing man i go 20. that's right,
Scott Jedlinski: Because here's the deal. If I break it, I got backup supplies.
Scott Jedlinski: Get backup supplies. Yeah, yeah. Get backup supplies for that stuff. You know what I mean?
Scott Jedlinski: So that's the biggest thing of mounting, which is probably the other advantage,
Scott Jedlinski: however, with closed emitters because they all have the clamping style of it.
Scott Jedlinski: You only have two screws.
Scott Jedlinski: You only have the two mounting screws, right? And then you have the side clamp
Scott Jedlinski: screw, which really isn't a failure point at all because it's so long and so deep in the crossbar.
Scott Jedlinski: It doesn't really – I don't think it doesn't have as much exposure to reciprocating forces.
Scott Jedlinski: You know what I mean? I've never had one back out on me.
Scott Jedlinski: I mean, between the 509s, the Acro, and the Steiner, I've never had one back
Scott Jedlinski: out on me. You know what I mean?
Scott Jedlinski: So it's just less points of failure. And I think that's the other reason why
Scott Jedlinski: the closed emitter clamping style is another reason why the closed emitter is attractive.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. Good. Yeah. I was just going to say,
Riley Bowman: you know, with respect to mounting, I mean, I think one thing a lot of people get wrong is torque.
Riley Bowman: And the, you know, requisite Loctite or threadlocker of some kind.
Riley Bowman: I spent probably more time than I should in various online forums,
Riley Bowman: and you see all these different complaints.
Riley Bowman: Nine times out of ten, the problems that the users experience is something that
Riley Bowman: they did with the failure to install things correctly.
Scott Jedlinski: Yep, user-induced operator error.
Riley Bowman: Read the instructions, use the necessary equipment, torque everything properly,
Riley Bowman: and then witness mark it too. and just regularly inspect your gear and should have no problems.
Riley Bowman: I use quality, you know, don't use cheap screws.
Riley Bowman: I definitely, you know, Buck over at CNH has been great to get screws from and
Riley Bowman: I know that they're quality screws.
Riley Bowman: You know, instead of I bought it on Amazon or wish or something, you know, and
Scott Jedlinski: All you got to do is go to, uh, oh my God, what's the Harbor Freight.
Scott Jedlinski: And a thousand screws is like four bucks.
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah. You know, just in case now you got to make sure that thing is secure because
Scott Jedlinski: it gets messed up in your luggage.
Scott Jedlinski: You got to basically an M3 screw grenade in your,
Scott Jedlinski: in your luggage when you try and do your laundry and stuff ask
Scott Jedlinski: me how i know ask me how i know right um
Scott Jedlinski: but yeah so here and here's the thing right i've told people like
Scott Jedlinski: hey man if you're going to be in the dot you need to do one of two things right right now you
Scott Jedlinski: need to go buy the wheeler set right the torque uh uh the uh torque screwdriver
Scott Jedlinski: uh and uh and or uh a fix it sticks the physics kits man great stuff well i
Scott Jedlinski: don't need to do that with my irons gun i'm like son you're trying to be a craftsman
Scott Jedlinski: you have invested in a higher level of sighting system, man.
Scott Jedlinski: And since you're talking to me, you probably have, that means you've invested
Scott Jedlinski: in a higher level of training. You need to be a craftsman and a craftsman has
Scott Jedlinski: tools that support his tools.
Scott Jedlinski: So get with it, get with it. Stop being immortal, talking about your iron sights.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. After I saw your fix it sticks kit, I was like, I got to get me that.
Riley Bowman: And I got it. You know, the, the works kit, which comes with pretty much everything you need.
Scott Jedlinski: Oh, for pistol or rifle.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah.
Riley Bowman: It's a great little kit. Kind of spiny, but I, you know what,
Riley Bowman: just, Hey, it's an investment that's worth, worth making.
Riley Bowman: And it has been, it's paid dividends again and again and again.
Scott Jedlinski: I've beaten that kit up, man. Right. I can't tell you how many times,
Scott Jedlinski: you know, before I was on the road all the time, I'd go by and like, Oh, I don't have this.
Scott Jedlinski: Go out and, you know, go get your, you know, your Lowe's cobalt kit.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. And that's, that screw is in there, but you almost got it.
Scott Jedlinski: And all of a sudden the bit goes, you know, and you're like,
Scott Jedlinski: oh my God, I stripped the screw. No, I stripped the bit.
Scott Jedlinski: How did I, what the cheap garbage is that? It's high quality stuff.
Scott Jedlinski: You're getting your money's worth.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, absolutely. Awesome. Um, okay. So many solutions.
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah.
Riley Bowman: Sites backup sites
Scott Jedlinski: First of all how.
Riley Bowman: Important are they and if you're gonna have them like what are your thoughts there
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah uh so here's the
Scott Jedlinski: thing with that man um part of this is just
Scott Jedlinski: fueled by my own like i'm not ocd about anything
Scott Jedlinski: except for my teaching and my shooting right uh and
Scott Jedlinski: my tools my guns support those things
Scott Jedlinski: uh your guns already milled for them just put them in there your gun looks dumb
Scott Jedlinski: with those empty gaps oh i i saved 45 by not having in there what what what
Scott Jedlinski: so just just put them in there okay um,
Scott Jedlinski: Which do I prefer? I prefer blacked out, right? If you want to go with some
Scott Jedlinski: tritium thing, stuff like that, hey man, knock yourself out.
Scott Jedlinski: If you are truly shooting target focus, you won't see it anyway. You know what I mean?
Scott Jedlinski: You don't want them too tall, right? As Buck likes to call it,
Scott Jedlinski: you want to have some low witness ones, right?
Scott Jedlinski: The ones that I endorsed that he and Night Vision did a thing.
Scott Jedlinski: I want to call it like a 132nd, 116th, you know what I mean?
Scott Jedlinski: You barely see it over the top there.
Scott Jedlinski: It does have, you know, it does have the tritium in front. Cause that's what
Scott Jedlinski: night vision sites are. Sorry if I'm stepping on excess guys, sorry.
Riley Bowman: No, no, no.
Scott Jedlinski: Okay. So what I do is when I put them on my gun, man, I just take that Sharpie and go.
Scott Jedlinski: And that fixes that the cool i will tell
Scott Jedlinski: you the cool thing though man if it's truly a nightstand gun right
Scott Jedlinski: you're going to see two things in the dark your dot
Scott Jedlinski: and that glowing tritium through the sharpie right uh does it is it is it crucial
Scott Jedlinski: no is it cool to find it yeah you know what i mean so yeah yep so backup irons
Scott Jedlinski: uh do it yeah do it you know and and here's the other thing man,
Scott Jedlinski: For example, Jared Reston will tell you, look, for square range shooting straight up, you know.
Scott Jedlinski: Non-off axis shooting, man, if you're seeing your sights when you're shooting
Scott Jedlinski: the dot, you're doing it wrong.
Scott Jedlinski: But sometimes, sometimes you're an extreme off axis behind cover around cars,
Scott Jedlinski: yada, yada, right, where your head can't be aligned with it and your gun's not
Scott Jedlinski: aligned in a vertical position.
Scott Jedlinski: Sometimes using those irons right in extreme
Scott Jedlinski: off kilter positions can help you find that just like
Scott Jedlinski: you can with a rifle just like you can with a rifle you
Scott Jedlinski: know what i mean um so why
Scott Jedlinski: not it's not the answer the question is not why
Scott Jedlinski: the question is why not you know
Scott Jedlinski: so just another gross sight picture it goes right
Scott Jedlinski: we talked about gross sight pictures right backplate window guillotine the next
Scott Jedlinski: gross site picture up iron sites the next refined up from that dot next refined
Scott Jedlinski: up from that distance lpvo you know why not have all those options especially
Scott Jedlinski: if they don't slow you down.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. And I appreciate you making the point of you don't need and don't necessarily
Riley Bowman: want to have backup irons that are perfect co-witness through the optic window,
Riley Bowman: because that's just stuff getting your way of using the dot and it's an intended purpose.
Riley Bowman: Right you know i see that you
Riley Bowman: know and i see the photos posted on instagram and stuff all the time i'm like
Riley Bowman: what the heck is up with these big old massive tall irons it just like you said
Riley Bowman: you just need their backup irons something goes wrong with the dot hey i just
Riley Bowman: need a little front post and a little rear notch and we're good yep
Scott Jedlinski: Yep you'll hear that all the time like in competition and stuff like that it's
Scott Jedlinski: like well i don't need a blah blah blah what if your dot goes down bro you're
Scott Jedlinski: shooting that seymour thing right the rts2 or whatever that is right and i was
Scott Jedlinski: like well then i'll just you know i'll just window the whole thing.
Riley Bowman: Yep doesn't usually work very well yeah
Scott Jedlinski: How'd that work out for you on the stage ah you know six mics you know okay
Scott Jedlinski: if you would have had irons you might only had two.
Riley Bowman: Yeah yeah yeah yeah
Riley Bowman: for sure for sure yeah cool i i think uh so far what we've talked about has
Riley Bowman: been uh pretty valuable information i think for folks especially if you're just
Riley Bowman: getting into the red dot game or if you just want to make sure you're getting
Riley Bowman: things set up uh properly uh what else
Scott Jedlinski: Can i add yeah let me add one more thing to that i think you're gonna ask me that anyway right um,
Scott Jedlinski: The biggest piece of kit outside of the actual pistol and dot that will encourage
Scott Jedlinski: proper performance with it is get a good holster, man.
Scott Jedlinski: I can't tell you. I mean, because the draw is the foundation,
Scott Jedlinski: right? What's the main complaint? I can't find the dot on the draw.
Scott Jedlinski: Okay, why? Well, your mechanics, you know, are horrible, blah, blah, blah.
Scott Jedlinski: But a lot of the time, man, it's because you have this horrible,
Scott Jedlinski: ill-fitting holster that either has not enough retention, so it's spilling out,
Scott Jedlinski: or way too much retention so that when you pull it,
Scott Jedlinski: it snaps over your head from the kinetic energy.
Scott Jedlinski: You know what I mean? It's not in the right place. It's too low. It's too high.
Scott Jedlinski: Get a good holster, right? What does a good holster mean to you?
Scott Jedlinski: I don't know how you carry it, right? If it's an AIWB, it needs to have a wide
Scott Jedlinski: or two contact mounting points. It needs to have a claw.
Scott Jedlinski: It needs to have some sort of wedge involved, right?
Scott Jedlinski: And it needs to have adjustable retention, okay?
Scott Jedlinski: The draw needs to be effortless, but if you're jumping up and down,
Scott Jedlinski: the gun doesn't pop out, right?
Scott Jedlinski: But the whole is the foundation. If you have a bad holster, right,
Scott Jedlinski: you're not going to get to the level of skill that you want to.
Scott Jedlinski: Especially with the unforgiving dot.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Well, and to that point, I mean, that is the number one complaint when
Riley Bowman: I'm talking with folks that don't know much, don't have much time behind a red dot pistol.
Riley Bowman: They feel like it's slower. they feel like
Riley Bowman: they're they're worse off because they you
Riley Bowman: know you can't find the dot or it's inconsistent or or you know oh i'm just
Riley Bowman: taking too long get it all lined up perfectly on the target and stuff so like
Riley Bowman: to that point um and you're answering one part of that equation already very
Riley Bowman: very nicely very perfectly in that you're you're you're correct if you don't have
Riley Bowman: the correct grip from the, from the get-go.
Riley Bowman: And that starts right from the holster. So the holster is fouling you up.
Riley Bowman: Like, yeah, of course you're going to struggle. Of course you're going to have issues.
Scott Jedlinski: You saw that in the last class you were with, with me at, right?
Scott Jedlinski: You can't lead a horse to water. I mean, I don't know why somebody would pay.
Scott Jedlinski: Five, $600 to come to my class and then not listen to what I say,
Scott Jedlinski: but whatever, fam, you do what you want.
Scott Jedlinski: It's your money. You know what I mean? But we saw that with that guy.
Scott Jedlinski: Holster was, you know, uh, non-conducive to his body shape, not in a,
Scott Jedlinski: uh, not conducive, uh, to body structure and where the holster was at.
Scott Jedlinski: And he struggled, man, he struggled.
Scott Jedlinski: And I think a better holster and better holster placement would have helped him out a lot.
Riley Bowman: But absolutely you know yeah i agree
Riley Bowman: people tend to think of well i have
Riley Bowman: my gun and then i have my holster my holster just carries
Riley Bowman: my gun but the holster you you said it being
Riley Bowman: the the foundation is that's a uh that's
Riley Bowman: an interesting way of putting it and i i completely i
Riley Bowman: think i've said something similar but but but the way
Riley Bowman: you touch you know the the way you're making that connection from
Riley Bowman: the holster is important to
Riley Bowman: your shooting performance especially with something like
Riley Bowman: a red dot that is less forgiving because yeah
Riley Bowman: people got to get away from just
Riley Bowman: thinking well the holster just carries my gun around no the holster allows you
Riley Bowman: to draw and grip and access that gun in a consistent fashion so that when you
Riley Bowman: get the gun up here and you're going out to target it's pointed the same way every time.
Riley Bowman: Your grip is the same every time. And then you're looking at the target and wow, boom, dot appears.
Riley Bowman: Wow. Where'd that dot come from? That's amazing how that works.
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah. People discounting holsters are like people going, people trying to run
Scott Jedlinski: a race and they go, well, the shoes aren't important. They just hold my feet.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Scott Jedlinski: Yep. No, bro. You try running a marathon barefoot or in dress shoes.
Scott Jedlinski: See how that works out for you. Yeah. See how that works out for you.
Scott Jedlinski: It's the same thing. It's the same thing.
Riley Bowman: Yep. Yep. Very good. Very good point to make. But what are some of the other,
Riley Bowman: you know, again, to the common complaints? Oh, I'm slower.
Riley Bowman: Struggling to find the dot. Like what, what are some of your common solutions you find for, for that?
Scott Jedlinski: Well, the first thing we have to realize is that human perception is a horrible shot timer.
Riley Bowman: Yes. Okay.
Scott Jedlinski: Number one. So we actually need to put it on a metric, right?
Scott Jedlinski: Argue slower. Well, let's see, let's do a draw.
Scott Jedlinski: Okay. You're not strong. You're not slower. you're
Scott Jedlinski: just unfamiliar with this and you're getting more information in so it feels
Scott Jedlinski: less frenetic so that feels slower to you but you're you're not slower you're
Scott Jedlinski: not or maybe you are slower it's just because you don't care what you see in
Scott Jedlinski: your irons because you ain't seeing squat,
Scott Jedlinski: right i was in one class it was hilarious man
Scott Jedlinski: actually in the at uh the san antonio range
Scott Jedlinski: reality defense right a couple uh four or
Scott Jedlinski: five classes before you were there recently and i
Scott Jedlinski: was a husband and wife and the guy has this beautiful cz
Scott Jedlinski: shadow too right and we get to the part where i show the guy my grip and you
Scott Jedlinski: know how i go all right so who had improvement who stayed the same who had uh
Scott Jedlinski: a decline right the guy raised his hand i had a decline and i go what'd you
Scott Jedlinski: see he's like i didn't see the dot once man i'm like okay so i fix his grip
Scott Jedlinski: i take all the brain cycles out and fix his grip right he shoots and it's like.
Scott Jedlinski: Right and he gets done he holds his up and his wife stop
Scott Jedlinski: starts laughing right he's like
Scott Jedlinski: woman why are you laughing he's like because that's
Scott Jedlinski: the flattest i've ever seen your gun move since
Scott Jedlinski: we've been shooting and he goes well that's cool because i
Scott Jedlinski: still didn't see anything i was like what what does
Scott Jedlinski: i go hey man do me a favor bring your
Scott Jedlinski: gun up do you see the dot no
Scott Jedlinski: bring your head to the right for me oh
Scott Jedlinski: there's the dot guy was cross-eyed dominant didn't even
Scott Jedlinski: know you know you know why because when
Scott Jedlinski: he shot irons he didn't care because he
Scott Jedlinski: was accepting a horrible sight picture with irons so he didn't even know he
Scott Jedlinski: was cross-eyed dominant but when there was a clear um picture to be looking
Scott Jedlinski: for right now he saw the difference and for the rest of the class he burned it in.
Scott Jedlinski: Down burned it down because he could see he was
Scott Jedlinski: a blind man who could see you know which is
Scott Jedlinski: much like the stories a lot of us tell with the dot you know
Scott Jedlinski: what i mean um so you really got to get into it
Scott Jedlinski: man and i and the
Scott Jedlinski: only way i can teach that is through people watching me
Scott Jedlinski: to do it right and a lot of that comes from watching people do
Scott Jedlinski: jujitsu and watching my professors teach people
Scott Jedlinski: and stuff like that but that's generally the thing
Scott Jedlinski: right and at the at the core of everything here's the thing man
Scott Jedlinski: there is no way that a single focal plane right
Scott Jedlinski: that is faster on your carbine is not
Scott Jedlinski: faster on your hand cup right now
Scott Jedlinski: you may need to get over the novelty right you may need to get over the uh unfamiliarity
Scott Jedlinski: with it but i'm going to give you every reason in the world and every metric
Scott Jedlinski: on the world to show you how to do this and at the end of the day you want to
Scott Jedlinski: go back to your irons knock yourself out.
Scott Jedlinski: That's never happened though. Never happened.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, you know, you're kind of touching on, too, a little bit.
Riley Bowman: I just came off an episode talking with my producer and co-host, Matthew,
Riley Bowman: about some vision-related stuff and particularly how, you know,
Riley Bowman: proper vision processing techniques can also help reduce stress.
Riley Bowman: And part of that, we talked about a study, Four Science Institute study, in fact.
Riley Bowman: You're probably familiar with it.
Scott Jedlinski: Where quarter second study.
Riley Bowman: What's that the
Scott Jedlinski: Quarter second study.
Riley Bowman: Um i was thinking more of the
Riley Bowman: the quiet eye study you know
Riley Bowman: talking about like expert excuse me i just talked my my microphone expert uh
Riley Bowman: like swat team level guys yeah and looking at the difference between them and
Riley Bowman: rookie officers and their performance and like what was different about that
Riley Bowman: in terms of their vision And one thing that that revealed is that the,
Riley Bowman: the more expert level shooters tended to always be,
Riley Bowman: I mean, number one, they had the so-called quiet eye,
Scott Jedlinski: Right?
Riley Bowman: They knew what to look for. They knew where to look and they were very visually focused on that.
Riley Bowman: And that's all threat relevant information and that they tended to not ever look for their sites.
Riley Bowman: But the rookies would be kind of
Riley Bowman: looking all over a little bit more erratically at you know more looking more
Riley Bowman: generally at the target or the threat and then when it came time to actually
Riley Bowman: shoot their vision would often shift back to the front site and it was causing
Riley Bowman: problems with them number one getting hits on target and number two being slower
Riley Bowman: and getting themselves shot yeah
Riley Bowman: So you make a great point in your class. So I kind of just wanted to hear your
Riley Bowman: thoughts on this some more and have you elaborate on it a little bit as far
Riley Bowman: as your thoughts on this.
Riley Bowman: But you mentioned how we've been threat-focused for millennia,
Riley Bowman: you know, since the beginning of time, basically. Spear, arrow.
Scott Jedlinski: Hands, feet.
Riley Bowman: Lattle, whatever. Yeah, sling, you know.
Riley Bowman: And then all of a sudden we decided to stick these bumpy things on top of our
Riley Bowman: guns and like, oh, we're supposed to be looking at, you know,
Riley Bowman: this thing that's three feet in front of my face instead of at my target, my threat.
Riley Bowman: So I just wanted to hear your thoughts on that.
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah. I mean, it is what it is. It is what we had to do. Yeah. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: We didn't have the technology to, to do otherwise.
Scott Jedlinski: And we've got very, very, very, very good at it. You know, very, very good at it.
Scott Jedlinski: But yeah, it is. I mean, there's not much more to it than that.
Scott Jedlinski: Um, and, and here's the thing, everyone, you know, uh, kind of goes,
Scott Jedlinski: well, you know, he's, he hates iron. Well, I love irons, man.
Scott Jedlinski: It wasn't for irons. I would not have the career I have trying to fix all that stuff.
Scott Jedlinski: You know what I mean? You know, it's like, you know, we, you know,
Scott Jedlinski: we, uh, we always discuss, you know, interesting techniques that have made it
Scott Jedlinski: into the mainstream, uh, that have really messed up a lot of people.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. But at the end of the day, man, if everybody was perfect,
Scott Jedlinski: we wouldn't be having a job right now.
Scott Jedlinski: You know what I mean? So our goal is to help those people out with efficiency. And that's all the job.
Scott Jedlinski: That's all the dot is. It helps us get back to the way we visually process information
Scott Jedlinski: since we were born. We're just getting back to that.
Scott Jedlinski: Unfortunately, the way that the architecture of the dot,
Scott Jedlinski: it has to be enclosed in a shroud to protect it from the elements and protect
Scott Jedlinski: it from glare from the sun it is what it is so we need to get a little bit technique
Scott Jedlinski: in there but after you get over that everything's the same as pointing point level go you know.
Riley Bowman: Well, there's definitely some benefits there. I mean, you and I,
Riley Bowman: I think in the very first podcast I had you on, we spent a little bit of time
Riley Bowman: talking about mistake of fact incident.
Riley Bowman: And just that alone being threat focused is so huge.
Riley Bowman: And that's one of the things they found in that, uh, for science Institute study
Riley Bowman: was that the, the rookie cops tended to mistake the cell phone for the gun and vice versa, uh,
Riley Bowman: partly because they were looking at other things versus just looking at the
Riley Bowman: threat, looking what was actually in the threat's hands.
Riley Bowman: Uh, and so that threat focused vision is, is huge. Now here's the thing. What.
Riley Bowman: I spent a large chunk of my shooting time being very much, you know,
Riley Bowman: front sight focus, you know, because that's, that's the way we were taught.
Riley Bowman: That's the way I was taught.
Riley Bowman: And learning to shoot on the red dot has helped me in all aspects of my shooting,
Riley Bowman: regardless of the sighting system used.
Riley Bowman: And I shoot now my irons target focused 100% of the time, I would say even 100%
Riley Bowman: with maybe the exception of like the most.
Riley Bowman: Shot ever you know like if i was
Riley Bowman: trying to shoot try to keep uh hits on a ac
Riley Bowman: steel at 100 yards i might be a little bit more front sight focused but yeah
Riley Bowman: but you know learning having my eyes open to the idea of target focus shooting
Riley Bowman: with irons or with the dot changed my life yeah Yeah.
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah. That's it, man. That's it.
Scott Jedlinski: You know, uh, counselor you're testifying. So I mean, that's,
Scott Jedlinski: that's just that there, there's no more to be said to that.
Scott Jedlinski: And I've said that to everybody's like, well, you know, uh, I'm just investigating this for my department.
Scott Jedlinski: You know, I don't want to get too hooked on this because I go back to irons.
Scott Jedlinski: I'm like, bro, you get hooked on this, go back to your irons on Monday, do a couple of drills.
Scott Jedlinski: Your mind demands more information. Your vision demands more information and
Scott Jedlinski: it's going to get it out of that.
Scott Jedlinski: It's going to get out of that from your irons, right? Because you shoot the
Scott Jedlinski: dot, right? You shoot the dot and that's just the way it works.
Scott Jedlinski: Other than cost, other than, you know, some slightly more maintenance,
Scott Jedlinski: there's no downside to the dot in my opinion.
Riley Bowman: There was a comment here, a question, I guess, on YouTube.
Riley Bowman: This is a pretty common one. I think it's pretty easily answered,
Riley Bowman: but people always want to know, what distance do you cite in at?
Riley Bowman: What distance should you cite in at?
Scott Jedlinski: All right, here we go.
Riley Bowman: I'm sure you get tired of answering that.
Scott Jedlinski: No, I don't get tired of answering because it's an absolutely legitimate question.
Scott Jedlinski: I get tired of the rigmarole on the internet, right? It's like Groundhog Day,
Scott Jedlinski: you know, every single day.
Scott Jedlinski: And then this is the diatribe of stuff. Here's the thing, man,
Scott Jedlinski: I'm going to go through a state in class, right? I don't care.
Scott Jedlinski: I don't care what you zero at, right? But just have a reason,
Scott Jedlinski: right? What's your reason?
Scott Jedlinski: For example, you know, the great battle now is between the 10 and 25 yard zero. Awesome.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. And you'll have guys go over to blows, really the 25 yard guys.
Scott Jedlinski: Guys, you haven't discovered the Holy Grail.
Scott Jedlinski: OK, with your 25 yard zero. Right. Because here's the deal. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: John Dufresne actually did a great study when he put it on his thing,
Scott Jedlinski: whatever ballistic calculator he had.
Scott Jedlinski: I think it was Spear 147 gold dot. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: A 10-yard zero prints 0.7 inches high at 25 yards.
Scott Jedlinski: A 25-yard zero prints, I think, like 0.4, 0.5 low at 10.
Scott Jedlinski: It's not that big of a deal. But do it based on your practical application.
Scott Jedlinski: I will say this about the 10.
Scott Jedlinski: You can't do it like a 25. That's the problem with all these guys who poofoo
Scott Jedlinski: the 10. they take an NRA B8, right?
Scott Jedlinski: And then they put three rounds in the X-Ring, he goes, okay,
Scott Jedlinski: it's a 10 yard zero. No, it's not, it's not refined enough. That's why I use a one inch square.
Scott Jedlinski: I know other dudes that use a, they use the bottom section of my one inch square on my targets, right?
Scott Jedlinski: It depends on your gun, it depends
Scott Jedlinski: on your ammo, right? It depends on your marksmanship more importantly.
Scott Jedlinski: If you were doing this for concealed carry, if you look at most engagements,
Scott Jedlinski: if you have access to the FBI's latest stats came out two months ago,
Scott Jedlinski: or I'm sorry, two years ago or so, it's 10 yards.
Scott Jedlinski: 10 yards is the likely pistol engagement. 10 yards, five rounds.
Scott Jedlinski: That's the average. There's a lot of stuff in there. OK, I would rather think
Scott Jedlinski: that I would want one with a higher level of with a high level refinement in
Scott Jedlinski: which I'm more likely to get into engagement at.
Scott Jedlinski: Now, on the other hand, I need to know where it prints at distance.
Scott Jedlinski: OK, but here's the other thing. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: I don't want to be worried about holdovers and hold unders at the distance in
Scott Jedlinski: where my engagement is more likely to be.
Scott Jedlinski: On the other hand, at 25 yards, I need to know where it prints.
Scott Jedlinski: But what do I have with distance?
Scott Jedlinski: I have time to factor in more holdovers and hold unders if, if I can,
Scott Jedlinski: if I can, you know what I mean?
Scott Jedlinski: Um, but at the end of the day, I don't care. Pick one, man.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. If you're doing it for concealed carry 10 yards seems to be the go man.
Scott Jedlinski: And it's easy. You see the holes is zero.
Scott Jedlinski: We didn't get three rounds in the one end square and then go work on something else. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: But if you, but if your department, right, shoots a lot of people in the face
Scott Jedlinski: at 25 yards, man, you need a 25 yard zero.
Scott Jedlinski: Or if your whole value as a human being is posting up your B8 scores on the
Scott Jedlinski: internet, then you need a 25 yard zero, right?
Scott Jedlinski: I have yet to meet the person that doesn't get paid to shoot B8s.
Scott Jedlinski: Shoot B8s better than me. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: I just did a class in Nashville where I shot a 100 first, first deal out of
Scott Jedlinski: the day, first 10, first 10 rounds.
Scott Jedlinski: I shot a 100 right now. It wasn't a 25 because the range wasn't that long.
Scott Jedlinski: I think it was like a 20 or 21, but you know, it was like 8X,
Scott Jedlinski: right. It was, it was, it was going to be in the 10.
Scott Jedlinski: It was going to be in the 10, right. So what exactly are you doing with your 25?
Scott Jedlinski: That being said, you know, which should be the under something even like you're
Scott Jedlinski: an American, you do what you want.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. Cause the bottom line is this, right. From what I've seen,
Scott Jedlinski: if you can shoot your zero really doesn't matter.
Scott Jedlinski: If you can't shoot your zero really doesn't matter.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. Right. So the next time you get on your internet, uh,
Scott Jedlinski: uh, your Facebook or your forum things, right.
Scott Jedlinski: You start carrying this 25 yard zero or even
Scott Jedlinski: 10 or even whatever it is right uh
Scott Jedlinski: are you getting paid to do that do these
Scott Jedlinski: boys who on this 25 yard zero kick got your back the
Scott Jedlinski: answer is no because they're out
Scott Jedlinski: busy shooting while you're talking about to your 25 yard zero
Scott Jedlinski: club or whatever that that is right uh meanwhile
Scott Jedlinski: there's a there's epic uh argument about that
Scott Jedlinski: on the internet meanwhile mike panone slips in and goes
Scott Jedlinski: i use a 15 see ya zero your
Scott Jedlinski: gun bro zero your gun forever you want wherever you can call your hits and you're
Scott Jedlinski: most consistent because you know at the end of the day uh show me your b8 show
Scott Jedlinski: me your build drill right uh show me your three and two right uh show me your plate rack,
Scott Jedlinski: You know, so would you.
Riley Bowman: Would you have anything to say with regards?
Riley Bowman: Cause one thing I have come across in the last few months is,
Riley Bowman: uh, a logic that goes something along the lines of, well, my most likely engagement
Riley Bowman: would be five yards. So I'm going to have a five yard zero.
Scott Jedlinski: What is that based on though? What's that based on?
Riley Bowman: Well, you still have people out there throwing out the three,
Riley Bowman: three, three rule, you know, the three seconds, three yards,
Riley Bowman: three shots, you know, But what's that?
Scott Jedlinski: What was the three, three, and three based on?
Riley Bowman: Data from like 1990.
Scott Jedlinski: So there's various things to that, right? Yeah. So the first that where I tracked,
Scott Jedlinski: and I had the same question, where the hell does three, three,
Scott Jedlinski: and three come from? Right.
Scott Jedlinski: And I believe in hopefully, you know, he'll correct me if I'm wrong.
Scott Jedlinski: At the time, I think Tom Givens had 52 students, alumni that were in gunfights.
Scott Jedlinski: And the average wound up being three, three, and three. It's not an FBI stat.
Scott Jedlinski: It's not. Stop saying that, people. It's not an FBI stat.
Scott Jedlinski: I think it comes from Tom Gibbons. Right. But that has validity to it, man.
Scott Jedlinski: Fifty two. Fifty two students. That's an that's a that's an incredible anecdotal
Scott Jedlinski: database to go off of. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: But he wasn't saying that was law. It's like the Tuler, the 21 foot rule.
Scott Jedlinski: It's not a rule. It's a principle.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. I think the three, three and three became a principle. You know what I mean?
Scott Jedlinski: Um here's the thing with the five yard zero you can't do amazing things with
Scott Jedlinski: a five yard zero out at pretty much any distance because the math becomes that
Scott Jedlinski: cone of deviation becomes too wide way too wide.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. I, I, yeah. I mean, if someone wants to choose a seven yard zero,
Riley Bowman: like, well, okay, whatever.
Riley Bowman: Like I, I think the thing I think I'm bigger on than anything is use some common
Riley Bowman: sense, use your brain that God gave you.
Riley Bowman: Think through the problem that you have to solve and understand the, why you do what you do.
Riley Bowman: Yeah right and then understand also
Riley Bowman: like well if i do this to satisfy the
Riley Bowman: more likely situations or
Riley Bowman: scenarios i may find myself in but also understand that there are the unlikely
Riley Bowman: things that do still sometimes occur and i should probably still at least be
Riley Bowman: familiar with how to handle the unlikely events i mean being in a gunfight period
Riley Bowman: is an unlikely event so 100 it
Scott Jedlinski: Is you know A hundred percent. Yep. Yep. Well, not a hundred percent,
Scott Jedlinski: 90, 99.2%. Absolutely. Yeah. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: I actually had one guy who's a SWAT guy. He says, I zeroed my pistol at seven yards.
Scott Jedlinski: And I'm like, interesting. Why? He goes, if I get into a room,
Scott Jedlinski: if we're doing CQB and it's in a room and that room is bigger,
Scott Jedlinski: seven by seven, that's a big ass room, right?
Scott Jedlinski: The last time one of our guys drew his pistol in an encounter was, I can't remember.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. So it's a secondary, right? But If it's a secondary, I want to do it
Scott Jedlinski: based on, uh, the likely encounter.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. And if it's bigger than a seven by seven room, holy cow.
Scott Jedlinski: Yep. Holy cow. Right. That's a big ass room. Right. Um, so that's,
Scott Jedlinski: that's what I do mine for him. I'm like, yep.
Riley Bowman: And I'll bet that guy knows where his, his rounds hit at 25.
Scott Jedlinski: Right.
Scott Jedlinski: Sure. Sure.
Riley Bowman: And that's what I'm all about is like, I, I know, I don't know,
Riley Bowman: not to tout my, toot my own horn necessarily, but like I basically run a 10 yard zero.
Riley Bowman: Uh, part of that was when I first started experimenting with,
Riley Bowman: with red dots, I stumbled upon some of your videos and you explained the logic.
Riley Bowman: And I said, you know what? That's sound logic.
Riley Bowman: It's a lot easier to see my target at 10 and get started there and then send
Riley Bowman: it back to 25 and make sure that.
Riley Bowman: And especially horizontally, I'm still, you know, I'm not just shooting a coordinate
Riley Bowman: that I'm actually shooting in line with, you know, that my barrel and my optic
Riley Bowman: and everything are lined up. Right.
Riley Bowman: But I still run a 10 yard zero and
Riley Bowman: I know exactly where it prints at every distance out to a hundred yards.
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah. So where do you hold with your 10 yard zero at 25 yards on the VA?
Riley Bowman: I actually, this is something that's evolving a little bit for me.
Riley Bowman: Uh if i'm running a uh a six moa dot for instance so like my romeo three max optics or six moa
Riley Bowman: those work really well to just hold the the six like the six moa dots like oh
Riley Bowman: yeah right so it's just like i just center it and it works beautifully that
Riley Bowman: way um the three moa dot of my romeo one
Riley Bowman: And I actually, and I have astigmatism a little bit.
Riley Bowman: So my dot, especially in 3M away, looks more like a comma.
Riley Bowman: And so I actually specifically look at the top edge of the dot at 25.
Scott Jedlinski: And where do you place it? You put them on the bottom of the X-ray?
Riley Bowman: I'm putting it right on the center. Like if I could read the X,
Riley Bowman: I would put the top edge of my lot.
Scott Jedlinski: Okay. So you cut the X in half.
Riley Bowman: I cut the X in half.
Scott Jedlinski: Which I would tell you, if you talk to somebody else that had that swore by
Scott Jedlinski: the 25-yard zero, they wouldn't give you that much detail on what they're looking, right? Yeah.
Scott Jedlinski: Here's my pecking order for accuracy, right? Again, this is just from my experience, right?
Scott Jedlinski: In orders of most important to least important. Right. Most important, your marksmanship.
Scott Jedlinski: Okay. How good your trigger press is and how hard you hold that gun with your support hand. Okay.
Scott Jedlinski: Number two is the ammo. Okay. Okay.
Scott Jedlinski: Better hollow points shoot flatter, and they're more ballistically uniform,
Scott Jedlinski: for lack of a better term, right, than your 115 Winchester white box, okay?
Scott Jedlinski: And because they're hotter, they're going to shoot flatter, ergo be more accurate,
Scott Jedlinski: right? So your ammo. Number three, your gun.
Scott Jedlinski: You got to know what your gun prints, right? uh you
Scott Jedlinski: know uh for example with glocks when i shoot glocks all
Scott Jedlinski: the time uh with the 10 yard zero i would hold uh my
Scott Jedlinski: you know three moa dot uh with my rmr
Scott Jedlinski: on the bottom of the x-ray and shoot 9500s all
Scott Jedlinski: the time with the walther i just hold it in the middle just because the lock-up's
Scott Jedlinski: better on a walther right um and i think that i don't know man that whole the
Scott Jedlinski: the the step chambering that it has where it really locks in the bullet man
Scott Jedlinski: uh it's been documented to prove uh improve feet per second by 20 to 30 feet per second.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. And that goes directly to velocity, which goes directly to accuracy.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. So I just hold it in the middle. There really is no difference between
Scott Jedlinski: my 10 and 25 yard. I don't have a 25 yard hole with my Walthers.
Scott Jedlinski: Right. And then finally, the least important thing is, is your zero.
Scott Jedlinski: Because again, if you can shoot, it doesn't matter. If you can't shoot,
Scott Jedlinski: it doesn't matter. Right.
Scott Jedlinski: So, yeah. But I say that like with the 10 yard rope, you know,
Scott Jedlinski: FBI stats, blah, blah, blah, yada, yada.
Scott Jedlinski: Kona deviation out to, you know, flattens out.
Scott Jedlinski: If you listen to some people, depending on your ammo, a 10 flattens out at 50
Scott Jedlinski: less deviation, yada, yada.
Scott Jedlinski: Um, but no, it's, you know, it's, it's actually 1.45, bro. You think you can see 1.45 at 33 yards.
Scott Jedlinski: You really think you can see that get, get, get over yourself, man. Right. Um,
Scott Jedlinski: But the whole thing is, is that, you know, we spot off reasons for the 10,
Scott Jedlinski: but if you shoot a 25, good luck, you're awesome, dude. Knock yourself out, man.
Scott Jedlinski: And, uh, when you shoot my three and two drill and you miss low, don't go crying.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Scott Jedlinski: Don't go crying. Cause you're at three yards. Um, but the whole thing is good.
Riley Bowman: And you should know that. Like if you're 25, you should know what your holds
Riley Bowman: are at five and 10 and 15 and whatever, you know?
Scott Jedlinski: Yep. Yep. Yep. And the other thing, I had an amazing conversation with Justin Dial, right?
Scott Jedlinski: Not only a great American, great military man, great shooter,
Scott Jedlinski: great coach, great teacher, but very interesting historian.
Scott Jedlinski: Do you know where the 25-yard zero comes from, the 25-yard bull comes from?
Riley Bowman: I guess I can't, I mean, other than like the only thing that comes to mind,
Riley Bowman: it'd be old school bullseye. Yep.
Scott Jedlinski: But why 25? Why 25?
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Scott Jedlinski: Nobody is completely arbitrary. They started out at 15.
Scott Jedlinski: Everybody started killing it, right? Everybody's shooting hundreds, 10 X's.
Scott Jedlinski: Then they moved it to 20. Same thing happened. Then they moved it back to 25, right?
Scott Jedlinski: It was a little bit, a little bit more competitive out there as far as variations
Scott Jedlinski: go, but then everybody started killing it.
Scott Jedlinski: So what'd they do? Do they go back another five? Why didn't they go to the 30?
Scott Jedlinski: Why about the 35? Nope. They said, nope, we're done moving this thing. 50.
Scott Jedlinski: 50. Completely arbitrary. Completely arbitrary. Right?
Scott Jedlinski: Why does Sig Sauer advocate for the 15-yard? Do you know?
Scott Jedlinski: Because the Sig Romeo's MOAs are exactly calculated for a 15-yard zero. That's why.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Didn't know that.
Scott Jedlinski: That makes sense. No. That makes sense. I teach there once a year.
Scott Jedlinski: I finally asked them, what's up with the 15-yard zero, guys? Why?
Scott Jedlinski: Like, well, you know, based on ballistics, if we have blah, blah,
Scott Jedlinski: blah, blah, blah, blah, most federal departments, yada, yada, yada, yada.
Scott Jedlinski: So we made the Romeo that way. I'm like, that's genius.
Scott Jedlinski: That's genius. So you know what I did? I got my SIG 320 full size and my Romeo
Scott Jedlinski: Pro, and I changed the zero to 15 yards just to play with it.
Scott Jedlinski: There was zero difference in my performance.
Scott Jedlinski: But I just, I wanted to see it, but at least there was an answer. Yeah.
Scott Jedlinski: There was an answer other than your favorite instructor says 25 yards zero is life.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate you giving some of that context. I think all that discussion is, uh,
Riley Bowman: it's at the very least it's interesting to know some of the
Riley Bowman: backstory know some of the you know history if you
Riley Bowman: will and and again just to throw the whole you know like what distance should
Riley Bowman: i zero my red dot at you know discussion into just like hey you know what pick
Riley Bowman: something pick something reasonable understand why you do what you do and make
Riley Bowman: sure it fits your context and like okay knock yourself out bro you know yeah and
Scott Jedlinski: Also know that controversy is never going to end has it has it ended for carbines yet.
Riley Bowman: Yeah no
Scott Jedlinski: No they've been shooting dots on carbines a lot longer than pittles and that.
Riley Bowman: Thing's still 36 yard 50
Scott Jedlinski: 36 100 50 200 yeah 10 with a two inch drop it's like yeah.
Riley Bowman: Yeah man good stuff good
Riley Bowman: stuff so again i hope i hope this has been helpful for folks
Riley Bowman: especially uh those of you just looking at or just getting
Riley Bowman: into red dots or or making sure that
Riley Bowman: you you know you're kind of on the right track which whatever it is
Riley Bowman: that you're here for today um scott is
Riley Bowman: the expert and so we appreciate your time today and
Riley Bowman: for having this discussion with us you know i'd like
Riley Bowman: to have you on again of course in the relatively near
Riley Bowman: future and to uh to actually get into
Riley Bowman: some less uh less equipment
Riley Bowman: focused you know discussion and and more on
Riley Bowman: the actual shooting and technique or
Riley Bowman: uh whatever you know actually i have some some ideas i'd like to explore with
Riley Bowman: you also from the uh you know i just did your red dot instructor course uh like
Riley Bowman: not even a month ago now at this point and i had some some good takeaways from
Riley Bowman: that and i think that'd be worthwhile to have you back on and discuss at some
Riley Bowman: point so if you're good i'd
Scott Jedlinski: Love to and and guys remember this man people tell you like
Scott Jedlinski: oh you just need to shoot more again kit's important let me
Scott Jedlinski: talk about the holster man it's important with good kit right it won't make
Scott Jedlinski: you a better shooter but it will remove obstacles bad kit creates obstacles
Scott Jedlinski: yes right so get good kit shoot more and get good training there's it's a trifecta
Scott Jedlinski: one without the other will leave you wanting.
Riley Bowman: That's a great way of putting it. And I appreciate you for, for clarifying that
Riley Bowman: as well. Well, again, uh, where can people find you?
Scott Jedlinski: Yeah. If you just throw in modern samurai project anywhere on the interwebs,
Scott Jedlinski: man, you're, you're going to find me.
Scott Jedlinski: Um, you know, uh, I got a YouTube channel, IG, Facebook, uh, it's everywhere.
Scott Jedlinski: It's everywhere, man. And, and a lot of them have redundant material in there.
Scott Jedlinski: So, uh, you see one, you'll see it on the other, man.
Scott Jedlinski: But, uh, right now probably the most popular one is Instagram. It's just so easy.
Scott Jedlinski: You're in, you're out. You know what I mean?
Scott Jedlinski: I would like to get some more YouTube stuff up, but that stuff takes a long time.
Riley Bowman: I know you're doing what you love and following your passion, and that's awesome.
Riley Bowman: You do a good job at it. So, you know, of course, we wish you the best and hope
Riley Bowman: to see you out there again soon.
Riley Bowman: So, yeah, folks, I mean, like I said at the beginning, get out there,
Riley Bowman: check out his website. You're going to find classes probably in your neck of
Riley Bowman: the woods at some point, or if you're interested in hosting Jedi, and get on the schedule.
Scott Jedlinski: So, yep.
Riley Bowman: Cool, man. Again, I appreciate it.
Scott Jedlinski: Obviously, respect you and everything you guys are doing over there,
Scott Jedlinski: man. It's the Lord's work. Keep on doing what you guys are doing.
Riley Bowman: Thank you, brother.
Scott Jedlinski: Yep.
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