WEBVTT 00:00:15.603 --> 00:00:16.643 And welcome to the Concealed Carry 00:00:16.643 --> 00:00:20.543 Podcast, part of the ConcealedCarry.com network, brought to you by HK. 00:00:21.343 --> 00:00:27.523 Today is Friday, October 3rd, 2025. As of the moment, we are recording this episode. 00:00:28.103 --> 00:00:32.723 We're glad to have all of you joining us. I am your host, Riley Bowman, joined by co-host, 00:00:33.603 --> 00:00:35.383 Jacob Paulson. Yeah, that's me. That's my name. 00:00:35.543 --> 00:00:40.323 It's the dude right there. Glad to have you with me on the podcast here today. 00:00:40.543 --> 00:00:43.663 We are talking today about our Justified Saves. 00:00:43.823 --> 00:00:46.743 Well, this is a Justified Saves episode. So we've got a whole bunch of great 00:00:46.743 --> 00:00:50.023 stories to share with you today of defensive gun uses. 00:00:50.483 --> 00:00:53.363 Some doozies. Yeah, some confusing ones too. 00:00:54.163 --> 00:00:55.383 Yes, we'll talk 00:00:55.383 --> 00:00:57.323 Our way through those. We'll go a little detective on this. 00:00:57.583 --> 00:01:02.723 Yeah, there's probably some assumptions that are going to have to be made about some of these stories. 00:01:03.023 --> 00:01:07.883 The big thing here is what lessons can we take away from these stories that 00:01:07.883 --> 00:01:11.663 we can use to make ourselves better, thinkers, better planners, 00:01:11.963 --> 00:01:16.123 better decision makers, better defended-minded folks overall. 00:01:16.343 --> 00:01:20.703 I'm realizing in the camera here that if I sit up straight, I can be taller than you. 00:01:21.923 --> 00:01:24.823 Now you sat up straight, and now I'm shorter than you again. 00:01:26.643 --> 00:01:29.663 For a second, I was taller. If someone could screenshot that. 00:01:29.783 --> 00:01:30.303 That'd be great. 00:01:33.603 --> 00:01:37.763 Hello. Greetings, Joseph. 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So check it out, ccwsafe.com. 00:03:16.682 --> 00:03:20.862 Also, today's episode sponsored brought to you by KSG Armory Holsters. 00:03:22.162 --> 00:03:26.882 If you gotta be using a gun in defensive you know context it's super critical 00:03:26.882 --> 00:03:31.662 you get that gun out of a holster in a timely and efficient manner and a quality 00:03:31.662 --> 00:03:35.242 holster is a big part of that i mean we just got done with the guardian conference 00:03:35.242 --> 00:03:40.722 a few weeks ago did you see some instances of people having issues with holsters lots 00:03:40.722 --> 00:03:43.402 Yeah we had a lot of holsters go down most of them 00:03:43.402 --> 00:03:46.422 in the first morning of course the first day but yeah i 00:03:46.422 --> 00:03:49.662 know we had a lot of holsters go down you know ksg is not the only quality manufacturer 00:03:49.662 --> 00:03:53.602 holster on the market there's there's other great holsters out there but unfortunately 00:03:53.602 --> 00:03:57.982 the problem is there's a ton of crap and so that's really the issue is just 00:03:57.982 --> 00:03:59.362 making sure you have quality options 00:03:59.362 --> 00:04:03.622 so check out ksg as it could be the solution that's perfect for you. 00:04:03.622 --> 00:04:07.982 Yeah i'll tell you man uh one of my classes it wasn't even i don't think it 00:04:07.982 --> 00:04:12.162 was the first day no maybe it was yeah it must have been i think it was friday 00:04:12.162 --> 00:04:16.902 afternoon so my second session that i was teaching and i had a gentleman you 00:04:16.902 --> 00:04:19.882 know the first hour or two of class, he did a good job. 00:04:20.022 --> 00:04:23.902 I didn't notice anything wrong. I mean, I noticed that his holster was not maybe 00:04:23.902 --> 00:04:28.622 the greatest, but he was getting things done and I didn't have any concerns 00:04:28.622 --> 00:04:30.662 just because I didn't see any safety issues. 00:04:30.942 --> 00:04:33.642 It didn't seem like there was a major problem there. 00:04:34.082 --> 00:04:38.922 But then about the third hour of a four hour block, all of a sudden we started having issues. 00:04:39.562 --> 00:04:43.222 And so what started happening is he would go to draw and his whole holster would 00:04:43.222 --> 00:04:47.962 come out of his waistband with the gun. And that's because... 00:04:47.962 --> 00:04:50.782 Let me guess. He said something like, this has never happened to me before. 00:04:51.422 --> 00:04:51.602 Yeah. 00:04:52.962 --> 00:04:56.202 As they always say, I've been using this holster for years. 00:04:56.362 --> 00:04:57.462 This has never happened. 00:04:58.422 --> 00:05:02.402 Yeah. And I'm not trying to put this person down or make them feel bad. Right. 00:05:03.502 --> 00:05:07.362 I'm suggesting only that that's the pattern because you show up in that kind 00:05:07.362 --> 00:05:08.262 of a training environment. 00:05:08.382 --> 00:05:12.602 And environments could be new to you. you never really pushed your holster in that way. 00:05:12.902 --> 00:05:15.582 And that's why it's important to field test our gear. 00:05:15.782 --> 00:05:16.642 Yes, 100%. 00:05:17.495 --> 00:05:21.495 Yeah, you're exactly right. We're not here to disparage people or their gear necessarily. 00:05:21.855 --> 00:05:25.235 We are here to provide quality gear. And in the context of that class, 00:05:25.355 --> 00:05:28.915 I was like, look, this is what we call a learning opportunity. 00:05:29.795 --> 00:05:33.655 You came to class. This is one of the great reasons why it's good to get out 00:05:33.655 --> 00:05:38.695 and do training courses or to maybe shoot competition even with your carry gear 00:05:38.695 --> 00:05:43.495 because those are great opportunities to test your gear to see that it works or not. 00:05:43.495 --> 00:05:50.035 And he, you know, this is a gun and a holster combination that clearly he had not tested adequately. 00:05:50.075 --> 00:05:52.355 And he now found this is a problem. 00:05:52.855 --> 00:05:56.475 So he left that class resolved to buy a case to your holster. 00:05:56.875 --> 00:05:59.675 Sweet. I love it when it works in our favor, too. 00:05:59.995 --> 00:06:05.075 Unfortunately, he did not have, I knew we didn't have anything on hand that would accommodate. 00:06:05.375 --> 00:06:09.175 I'm trying to remember what gun it was. It was a Hellcat is what it was. 00:06:09.175 --> 00:06:11.935 I was like, I'm pretty sure we don't have anything on site for that, 00:06:12.095 --> 00:06:15.315 but you can get it on KSGRmory.com. 00:06:15.455 --> 00:06:18.715 So that's what we're going to send you guys all here today to go and buy your 00:06:18.715 --> 00:06:22.155 next quality holster. It's KSGRmory.com. 00:06:23.335 --> 00:06:27.095 Let's get into our episode content now. We've got a bunch of stories lined up. 00:06:27.155 --> 00:06:28.955 We'll try to cover these in an efficient manner. 00:06:29.575 --> 00:06:33.535 First up, this one hit the news waves earlier this week, Jacob, here locally. 00:06:34.035 --> 00:06:37.275 It's not actually a justified save story. And long-time listeners, 00:06:37.395 --> 00:06:42.655 you know that typically when we do Justified Save episodes, we usually talk 00:06:42.655 --> 00:06:43.815 about what-not-to-dos. 00:06:45.395 --> 00:06:49.095 Quite commonly, we lead off with what-not-to-dos stories. 00:06:49.675 --> 00:06:53.695 Quite often, they are Justified Save what-not-to-dos. 00:06:53.975 --> 00:06:55.135 And we have a few of those. 00:06:55.235 --> 00:07:01.295 Yeah, we do have a few of those. But this was actually not a DGU incident. 00:07:01.695 --> 00:07:04.095 This happened, though, at a school. 00:07:04.655 --> 00:07:10.115 This happened at a middle school in the Highlands Ranch area of Colorado here, 00:07:10.255 --> 00:07:12.895 not too far from where we're based here. Ranch View Middle School. 00:07:12.995 --> 00:07:14.295 There it is. I was looking for the name of the school. 00:07:14.935 --> 00:07:19.155 So what happened here is actually a neighboring house to the middle school. 00:07:19.935 --> 00:07:24.675 A guy sitting inside his house is cleaning his gun is what the story says. 00:07:25.675 --> 00:07:30.875 So usually as part of that, we take a gun apart. I think you can probably see where this is going. 00:07:31.835 --> 00:07:32.635 Writing's on the wall. 00:07:32.635 --> 00:07:37.875 Probably a Glock or something like that, you know, that has the kind of situation 00:07:37.875 --> 00:07:39.615 where you got to disassemble the gun. 00:07:39.735 --> 00:07:42.635 And part of that is pressing the trigger to get it to come apart. 00:07:42.855 --> 00:07:47.495 And so there's actually a staff member and a student outside the school that 00:07:47.495 --> 00:07:53.195 witnesses and hears a pop as apparently this gentleman fires off a round trying 00:07:53.195 --> 00:07:54.335 to disassemble this gun. 00:07:54.335 --> 00:08:00.595 And not only does the gun go off and launch a bullet through his window of his 00:08:00.595 --> 00:08:03.595 home, but it strikes an exterior door of the school. 00:08:04.135 --> 00:08:07.935 Not clear to me if the window was open or not. I'm thinking ballistically. 00:08:08.415 --> 00:08:09.095 Right, right. 00:08:09.275 --> 00:08:14.635 Regardless, there's an impact on a school. Yes. The structure of the building itself is a school. 00:08:14.795 --> 00:08:16.435 Yeah, so, I mean, bullet went... 00:08:17.648 --> 00:08:20.448 It does say it traveled through a window. I mean, to your point, 00:08:20.588 --> 00:08:22.528 I guess it could have been window open or whatever. 00:08:22.688 --> 00:08:26.328 But, yeah, it traveled to the school and impacted the school. 00:08:26.488 --> 00:08:27.388 Very, very, very concerning. 00:08:27.568 --> 00:08:33.328 So this is our first what not to do today on a podcast is, yeah, this is a problem. 00:08:33.548 --> 00:08:39.708 We're already, you know, walking on ice here in Colorado after that shooting 00:08:39.708 --> 00:08:42.308 in Evergreen High School, what, a month ago now? 00:08:42.388 --> 00:08:43.008 Yeah, about a month. 00:08:43.008 --> 00:08:48.368 And, you know, people are already on edge and then you have an incident like this happen. 00:08:48.508 --> 00:08:51.208 Well, the problem with that is, is it reflects very poorly on gun owners. 00:08:51.368 --> 00:08:54.588 We already have a big enough battle as it is, you know, uphill battle in this 00:08:54.588 --> 00:08:58.508 country, especially in certain states and jurisdictions like where we are in 00:08:58.508 --> 00:09:02.508 Colorado, trying to make sure we can maintain Second Amendment rights. 00:09:02.888 --> 00:09:05.688 This kind of thing does not help in that battle. 00:09:06.088 --> 00:09:08.248 Well, I mean, yes, agreed. 00:09:10.748 --> 00:09:14.668 But what if someone got shot? Now we got to have that on our, on our conscious too. 00:09:14.768 --> 00:09:17.968 I like, and this guy owned it in his defense, like cops showed up, 00:09:18.088 --> 00:09:20.568 he came running out of his house. Like it was me. I'm sorry. Kind of deal. 00:09:21.668 --> 00:09:26.408 So that's good. Charges are pending. We'll see if any action is taken against this guy legally. 00:09:26.708 --> 00:09:27.028 Yeah. 00:09:27.268 --> 00:09:30.888 But, um, you know, he knew he screwed up and he, he did what he could to own 00:09:30.888 --> 00:09:32.068 that. So I appreciate that. 00:09:32.188 --> 00:09:34.908 And the rest of us have to learn from his mistakes, right? It's like, 00:09:34.988 --> 00:09:38.888 okay, what might I change about my process, my method, you know, 00:09:38.928 --> 00:09:42.908 my systems that I have in place to ensure this doesn't happen to me. 00:09:43.168 --> 00:09:46.168 Right. Be safe all the time you're handling a firearm. 00:09:46.888 --> 00:09:52.288 Maintain the four safety rules at all times. The big one there for me is be 00:09:52.288 --> 00:09:54.748 aware and attentive to what you're doing at all times with the gun. 00:09:55.488 --> 00:09:59.908 Part of that is understanding, hey, if I need to press the trigger to disassemble 00:09:59.908 --> 00:10:05.188 my gun, I need to be aware and attentive of the fact that when I press that 00:10:05.188 --> 00:10:09.148 trigger, the gun could fire if I have not properly unloaded the gun. 00:10:09.688 --> 00:10:12.568 So make sure you're obeying those safety rules at all times, folks. 00:10:12.808 --> 00:10:17.948 Well, and think about your backstop. You know, the window that faces the school, probably not it. 00:10:18.208 --> 00:10:22.008 Right? So like there's layers to this, right? Like it's not just like, 00:10:22.088 --> 00:10:23.348 hey, make sure the gun's unloaded. 00:10:23.588 --> 00:10:26.248 Like, yeah, do that for sure. Like triple check it and all the things. 00:10:26.408 --> 00:10:28.468 Like maybe even stick a barrel block in it before you take it apart. 00:10:29.148 --> 00:10:33.208 But beyond that, let's also acknowledge like some tractions are safer than others. 00:10:33.868 --> 00:10:39.208 What's my process? What's my system? What are my tools that mitigate risk? Yeah, 100%. 00:10:39.208 --> 00:10:39.288 Yeah. 00:10:40.397 --> 00:10:43.617 We have a similar story, unfortunately, out of Buckeye, Arizona. 00:10:44.157 --> 00:10:45.937 Yeah, not with a lot of details on this one. 00:10:46.077 --> 00:10:48.037 No, but why don't you give us a slowdown on this? 00:10:48.077 --> 00:10:49.877 Can I put this on my Walmart shooting list? 00:10:50.977 --> 00:10:51.377 Sure. 00:10:51.697 --> 00:10:53.417 Okay, I wasn't sure if this qualifies. 00:10:53.737 --> 00:10:55.137 I mean, it's a Walmart. 00:10:55.377 --> 00:10:58.757 I think Walmart gets more shootings than anyone else. I mean, 00:10:58.877 --> 00:11:02.077 maybe if we combine all gas stations into a single category, 00:11:02.157 --> 00:11:03.257 they could beat out Walmart. 00:11:03.917 --> 00:11:10.357 I was going to say top categories would be Walmart, obviously gas stations, Waffle Houses. 00:11:10.657 --> 00:11:12.817 Waffle House for sure. Oh, my gosh. 00:11:13.337 --> 00:11:15.457 I'm trying to think if there's any other common, 00:11:15.697 --> 00:11:16.817 Trendy ones we see a lot. 00:11:17.077 --> 00:11:19.617 McDonald's. McDonald's. This one kind of hits on both those categories. 00:11:19.817 --> 00:11:21.597 That's right. This is a McDonald's and a Walmart. 00:11:21.697 --> 00:11:23.277 Yes. Tell us about it. 00:11:23.617 --> 00:11:27.557 We don't have a lot of details, but dude is sitting inside the McDonald's that's inside the Walmart, 00:11:30.037 --> 00:11:32.977 and gun fires around while he's sitting there. 00:11:33.257 --> 00:11:38.157 That's really all we know. Like this, that's the extent of the detail, but I, you know, 00:11:41.697 --> 00:11:45.317 I hope these episodes are entertaining. Like there should be entertainment to 00:11:45.317 --> 00:11:46.537 dang near everything we do in life. 00:11:46.837 --> 00:11:50.197 Sure. Because that's, what's critical to keep you guys to pay attention. 00:11:50.217 --> 00:11:52.197 That's what makes it a little bit more enjoyable for us. 00:11:52.497 --> 00:11:57.277 But like for a second, like the entertaining aspect comes because deep down 00:11:57.277 --> 00:12:00.597 inside of you, you, you believe this would never happen to you. 00:12:00.597 --> 00:12:05.757 So it's easy to kind of make fun of or make light of someone who you perceive 00:12:05.757 --> 00:12:13.937 to be some idiot, moron, jerk, whatever, that cooks off around inside the Wal-Donalds. 00:12:13.937 --> 00:12:14.197 Yep. 00:12:14.397 --> 00:12:17.537 I made that. See how I did that? The Mickelmark. 00:12:17.557 --> 00:12:19.297 Yeah, it was a McDonald's inside of Walmart. 00:12:19.817 --> 00:12:24.157 Mickelmark. Anyway. Yep. So it's easy to put that guy over here and be like, 00:12:24.237 --> 00:12:25.897 it's not me. I would never. 00:12:26.117 --> 00:12:29.497 But I'll just ask for a second. like have you ever been 00:12:29.497 --> 00:12:33.277 in a public place and adjusted your gun right like 00:12:33.277 --> 00:12:36.777 and if you're the answer is no i'm like uh bullcrap like 00:12:36.777 --> 00:12:39.577 i bet you have i bet i bet most people listen to this have just 00:12:39.577 --> 00:12:43.397 you know like just you know make an adjustment you know oh this is off something 00:12:43.397 --> 00:12:46.737 like that um now most of i think most of those adjustments are probably pretty 00:12:46.737 --> 00:12:50.217 dang freaking innocent gun stays in the holster quality holster like really 00:12:50.217 --> 00:12:54.197 shouldn't lead to anything yeah but um you know we start taking this step further 00:12:54.197 --> 00:12:57.577 okay well have you ever been making an adjustment got the gun out of the holster. 00:12:57.857 --> 00:13:03.117 I mean, we've seen a number of stories where people have shot themselves or 00:13:03.117 --> 00:13:06.517 cooked a round off through a car because they got their gun out of their holster 00:13:06.517 --> 00:13:10.877 and handled it while in their car, sometimes while driving. Yeah. 00:13:12.898 --> 00:13:15.318 I guess I'm just trying to say like, hey, for a second, just say, 00:13:15.398 --> 00:13:16.778 hey, what can I learn from this? 00:13:16.898 --> 00:13:22.298 Like, am I managing any of that kind of administrative handling properly and safely? 00:13:23.918 --> 00:13:25.198 I'm postulating that's what happened. 00:13:25.278 --> 00:13:31.458 Yeah. Let me just hit on a couple of things here that, I mean, 00:13:31.578 --> 00:13:35.678 potential answers to this. 00:13:36.718 --> 00:13:42.438 It could be, all right, it could have been a gun that did not fit a holster properly. 00:13:42.758 --> 00:13:43.118 Sure. 00:13:43.378 --> 00:13:49.138 Right. I've seen that happen. In fact, I've seen it happen to me way too often where people get a gun. 00:13:49.318 --> 00:13:52.218 They can't find a holster that quite fits it, but they find when it's close enough. 00:13:52.458 --> 00:13:57.298 And the problem with that is, is does it properly and fully and completely cover the trigger guard? 00:13:57.638 --> 00:14:00.338 Okay. I've seen people using a holster. They're like, well, this is the closest 00:14:00.338 --> 00:14:04.058 thing I could find. It goes in, but yet the trigger guard's still exposed. Okay. 00:14:04.998 --> 00:14:08.818 It could be that also I've seen some poor quality holsters. 00:14:09.078 --> 00:14:15.118 There was actually a video that went around the social media a while back of a gun. 00:14:15.418 --> 00:14:20.878 It was some kind of, not a true Glock, but like one of the, you know, 00:14:20.898 --> 00:14:24.278 kind of, not Glocks, kind of custom deal or a home built one. 00:14:24.838 --> 00:14:27.118 And it had something to do with the trigger. 00:14:28.198 --> 00:14:30.998 And the trigger was really, there was a problem with the trigger, 00:14:31.098 --> 00:14:33.298 but there was a problem with the holster. and the holster made contact with 00:14:33.298 --> 00:14:35.418 the trigger as it was inserted into the holster. 00:14:36.038 --> 00:14:40.238 So the trigger guard portion of the holster was, in other words, too depressed. 00:14:40.598 --> 00:14:43.138 So we're very careful with the holsters when we make it KSG Armory that, 00:14:43.258 --> 00:14:46.758 you know, make sure that, like, there's nothing protruding into the trigger guard. 00:14:46.778 --> 00:14:50.818 Just a little bit so it locks onto the trigger guard, but not so much that's 00:14:50.818 --> 00:14:54.098 going to actually make contact with the trigger or anything like that. So that's a problem. 00:14:54.298 --> 00:14:57.858 It could be something like a soft-sided holster that's not, you know, 00:14:57.918 --> 00:14:59.898 where something can push through the holster material. 00:15:00.538 --> 00:15:03.538 It could be this gentleman was carrying not in a holster. 00:15:04.058 --> 00:15:05.038 Sure. Right. Sure. 00:15:05.538 --> 00:15:09.438 And he's got other things mixed with the gun or he's putting his hand in his 00:15:09.438 --> 00:15:12.758 pocket. Maybe it's a pocket holster or a pocket gun and he's messing around with it. 00:15:12.958 --> 00:15:15.658 I'm reminded actually, I think it was another Walmart or not Walmart, 00:15:15.778 --> 00:15:19.558 but McDonald's where gentleman's standing in line waiting to order or he's waiting to get his food. 00:15:19.678 --> 00:15:22.678 And he's got a gun in a pocket holster or just in his pocket. 00:15:22.798 --> 00:15:28.338 He's messing around with it in his pocket and fires off a round right into the 00:15:28.338 --> 00:15:29.678 floor of the McDonald's. 00:15:29.898 --> 00:15:32.978 And as soon as it happens, he's like, what, what, 00:15:32.978 --> 00:15:33.938 What, what did that. 00:15:34.058 --> 00:15:37.438 Where'd that come from? Like totally trying to play it off. And everyone else 00:15:37.438 --> 00:15:40.738 there, of course, knew exactly like, dude, like clearly, like, 00:15:40.838 --> 00:15:43.918 You know, my mind goes to the dude in the elevator. Remember the elevator surveillance? 00:15:44.118 --> 00:15:48.918 Yeah. Yeah. He's a off duty cop. He's out shopping with his wife and just does 00:15:48.918 --> 00:15:52.958 some, some basic, you know, unnecessary, probably administrative handling of 00:15:52.958 --> 00:15:54.018 his gun and shoots himself. 00:15:54.138 --> 00:15:56.778 Moving it from his holster to his pocket of his jacket. 00:15:57.078 --> 00:15:59.138 Yeah. That's what it was. Yep. So anyway. 00:15:59.538 --> 00:15:59.778 Yep. 00:15:59.898 --> 00:16:01.878 I just, you know, a little, I'll just, 00:16:02.696 --> 00:16:06.616 A warning note for me to not be dismissive of these stories, 00:16:06.636 --> 00:16:08.496 but to consider what you might learn. 00:16:08.496 --> 00:16:13.036 It can happen to anybody if you are not, well, following those four safety rules we just talked about. 00:16:13.116 --> 00:16:13.456 That's right. 00:16:13.796 --> 00:16:16.956 Okay. So there's a couple of lessons learned. There's one more here. 00:16:17.116 --> 00:16:20.256 This one actually involves a gun being fired at somebody. In fact, 00:16:20.376 --> 00:16:21.636 somebody is struck and killed. 00:16:22.296 --> 00:16:26.016 This starts as a road rage incident in Phoenix, Arizona area. 00:16:26.736 --> 00:16:30.536 It's very unfortunate. We see these kinds of things happen, again, 00:16:30.736 --> 00:16:36.656 too commonly. And, again, these reflect poorly on us as gun owners and concealed 00:16:36.656 --> 00:16:39.176 carriers. But we've got to talk about this stuff because this is important. 00:16:39.776 --> 00:16:43.876 This one has to do more with a poor decision that was made. 00:16:44.756 --> 00:16:47.676 Well, we're lacking a little bit in detail. That's true. So there's a potential 00:16:47.676 --> 00:16:49.496 benefit of the doubt on this, but continue. 00:16:49.496 --> 00:16:50.496 That's fair. That's fair. 00:16:50.616 --> 00:16:53.696 However, I think if you – Charges have not been filed. 00:16:53.696 --> 00:17:00.236 If you take it from what is just said here, all right, that's how I think we 00:17:00.236 --> 00:17:05.196 have to read it. And at the very least, we can take it at its word and go, 00:17:05.316 --> 00:17:06.596 what's the lesson learned from this? 00:17:06.796 --> 00:17:10.536 Well, probably not shooting people just because they approach you at the window and spit on you. 00:17:10.796 --> 00:17:13.276 Way to kill the teaser on that one. 00:17:14.876 --> 00:17:18.396 So there's two vehicles involved in road rage in Phoenix. 00:17:19.876 --> 00:17:23.316 54-year-old man, and I'm not sure how old the woman is, but it's a woman. 00:17:24.436 --> 00:17:28.116 And they're going back and forth is the way this works. 00:17:28.136 --> 00:17:29.956 Driving erratically for a few blocks. Yeah. 00:17:30.056 --> 00:17:33.176 People reported that both of them were driving erratically. Now, 00:17:33.276 --> 00:17:36.156 we don't know if there was one or the other that started this and, 00:17:36.436 --> 00:17:37.596 you know, or if they were both contributors. 00:17:37.716 --> 00:17:40.896 Because I've seen it happen where someone's just trying to get out of a situation. 00:17:40.956 --> 00:17:44.716 I've seen it where people go back and forth and, you know, now he's mad, she's mad. 00:17:44.856 --> 00:17:47.276 And, you know, there's no winners in those kinds of situations. 00:17:48.056 --> 00:17:52.516 But basically, the vehicles got stopped. A man got out of one vehicle, 00:17:52.696 --> 00:17:55.456 approached the other vehicle. A woman is in that vehicle. 00:17:55.696 --> 00:18:00.776 And it says here, according to a witness, he spit on her and she shot him. 00:18:01.805 --> 00:18:04.805 They were basically trying to get in each other's lanes, following each other really close. 00:18:05.105 --> 00:18:08.605 At first, I thought he got ran over, said another witness, but then he heard 00:18:08.605 --> 00:18:09.945 a pop coming down the street. 00:18:10.745 --> 00:18:14.325 The man was shot in the neck, said there was blood all over the place. 00:18:14.425 --> 00:18:17.745 He fell to the ground. He died. This guy died. 00:18:18.105 --> 00:18:23.585 It also says that the woman who shot him said, I shot him. I'm sorry. 00:18:23.585 --> 00:18:27.825 He ran up to my car. I was scared. He got in my face. I shot him. 00:18:29.465 --> 00:18:30.285 Yeah, that's concerning. 00:18:30.645 --> 00:18:31.485 Yeah. So take it away. 00:18:31.485 --> 00:18:34.685 Yeah, that's a red flag, right? There's so many little things. 00:18:34.845 --> 00:18:37.565 Like one thing that stands out to me right away is one of these dumb little 00:18:37.565 --> 00:18:39.285 details. Like why was your window down? 00:18:40.745 --> 00:18:45.205 Like I'm road raging with someone in my mind. I'm like putting myself in her shoes, right? 00:18:46.245 --> 00:18:51.045 And maybe it could look like it's a two to tango thing, but maybe she's truly 00:18:51.045 --> 00:18:53.905 just trying to get away and this guy keeps cutting her off and she's trying 00:18:53.905 --> 00:18:54.665 to whatever. I don't know. 00:18:55.985 --> 00:18:59.285 But some place we get stopped. We're not progressing anymore. 00:18:59.285 --> 00:19:03.165 And i see him running toward me like my first move would be rolled my window 00:19:03.165 --> 00:19:06.785 yeah yeah right like i'm like window up your. 00:19:06.785 --> 00:19:08.905 First line of defense is just to maintain the integrity 00:19:08.905 --> 00:19:13.085 Of the yes yes i mean he didn't have a gun in his hand nothing in his hands 00:19:13.085 --> 00:19:15.745 that we know that we know of certainly so and. 00:19:15.745 --> 00:19:17.585 Even her own statement which by the way statements 00:19:17.585 --> 00:19:20.745 Can get you in trouble yeah this because she says i shot him. 00:19:20.745 --> 00:19:23.205 I'm sorry she's apologized she 00:19:23.205 --> 00:19:24.605 Did it some mission like she. 00:19:24.605 --> 00:19:29.305 Did something wrong yeah he ran up to my car i was scared i he got my face i 00:19:29.305 --> 00:19:31.325 shot him so the only thing she's saying is he got in my 00:19:31.325 --> 00:19:35.665 Face yeah her potential justification is he got my face yeah and i was scared 00:19:35.665 --> 00:19:41.045 so pretty hard to get someone's face through a glass window yeah so i don't 00:19:41.045 --> 00:19:44.545 know i guess i'm harping on this whole window thing but like roll up the window 00:19:44.545 --> 00:19:48.285 we happen to live in a place where there's only a couple months a year that 00:19:48.285 --> 00:19:49.825 i can just drive around with my window down, 00:19:50.365 --> 00:19:55.685 I can see it's too hot or it's too cold sure sure so you know I don't know you're talking. 00:19:55.685 --> 00:19:56.465 About basically like right 00:19:56.465 --> 00:19:58.345 Now yeah like where did this. 00:19:58.345 --> 00:19:59.585 Happen it's October this is Phoenix 00:19:59.585 --> 00:20:04.125 It's probably pretty warm there I don't know why the windows but anyway I'm just saying like, 00:20:05.595 --> 00:20:12.255 The car is an integral, like, secured fortress against most things. 00:20:12.995 --> 00:20:18.795 Not against a gun, certainly, but against somebody who's scary and running at your car. 00:20:19.035 --> 00:20:25.695 Like that, the glass is a pretty good protection system. I think that we have to acknowledge that. 00:20:26.335 --> 00:20:29.335 To that point, just real quick, just a quick little sidebar here. 00:20:29.495 --> 00:20:33.915 People are often surprised how tough auto glass is. 00:20:33.915 --> 00:20:34.475 Yeah, very tough. 00:20:34.475 --> 00:20:39.295 Even those side windows, I've seen people hit windows with hammers and they 00:20:39.295 --> 00:20:40.715 not break multiple times. 00:20:41.275 --> 00:20:43.935 You see officers do this where they whip out their baton and start, 00:20:44.255 --> 00:20:48.135 you know, eventually they'll break through. But sometimes it takes three, four, five hits. 00:20:49.015 --> 00:20:53.975 You know, so this is not a joke about those windows, you know, 00:20:54.055 --> 00:20:55.935 being a form of protection to you. 00:20:55.975 --> 00:20:56.735 No, no, no, no. Seriously. 00:20:57.195 --> 00:20:59.755 If a guy's got a weapon, that's a whole other thing. 00:20:59.855 --> 00:21:04.315 Or if he's Schwarzenegger. i've seen schwarzenegger punch through those windows many. 00:21:04.315 --> 00:21:05.695 Times it can happen if 00:21:05.695 --> 00:21:09.095 Arnold's charging you that would change or chuck norris. 00:21:09.095 --> 00:21:11.715 You know but that that is that's that's something that's really entertaining 00:21:11.715 --> 00:21:15.575 to watch when you see some like you know videos of altercations uh involving 00:21:15.575 --> 00:21:19.075 vehicles where dude gets out starts like wailing on the window with his fist 00:21:19.075 --> 00:21:22.795 like thinking he's gonna bust through it ain't busting through it super disappointed 00:21:22.795 --> 00:21:26.415 super fast breaking fingers and and knuckles yeah 00:21:26.415 --> 00:21:32.415 Yeah so that's my first thought my second thought is just just pure motive thing, 00:21:32.595 --> 00:21:34.715 right? Like this pure idea of, 00:21:35.771 --> 00:21:40.271 It reminds me of another one we covered a year or two ago where there was a 00:21:40.271 --> 00:21:44.191 road rage incident and cops get called. 00:21:44.391 --> 00:21:49.891 And we have the body cam footage of the officer when they interview the supposed victim. 00:21:50.291 --> 00:21:54.571 And it's actually in an airport where this went down, like in the pickup departure 00:21:54.571 --> 00:22:00.711 area, kind of spot in an airport where eventually husband, wife are cruising around. 00:22:00.871 --> 00:22:04.871 They end up getting their gun and shooting the guy who's been chasing them and acting erratically. 00:22:05.851 --> 00:22:09.251 And the most crazy thing about that and it reminds me of this one we're talking 00:22:09.251 --> 00:22:14.271 about now is the law enforcement comes up on the window you got the body cam and they truly believed, 00:22:14.751 --> 00:22:17.551 they were justified like they weren't highly like oh 00:22:17.551 --> 00:22:20.351 no yeah no then yeah then we grabbed the gun out of the case and then he came 00:22:20.351 --> 00:22:23.091 over the window and we shot him you know like like they felt like they were 00:22:23.091 --> 00:22:25.951 the good guys in this whole story and when the police 00:22:25.951 --> 00:22:28.731 like the oh interesting great like please get out 00:22:28.731 --> 00:22:31.551 i'm gonna put handcuffs on you like the shock in their face was 00:22:31.551 --> 00:22:34.271 so sincere like but we were the good guys we didn't 00:22:34.271 --> 00:22:37.151 do anything wrong yeah like how could this so i think i 00:22:37.151 --> 00:22:41.351 think that's the other thing here is there's two potential issues 00:22:41.351 --> 00:22:44.291 here it's one or the other on one hand is she just 00:22:44.291 --> 00:22:47.311 legitimately believes that i was perfectly justified yeah 00:22:47.311 --> 00:22:50.031 like someone like gets in your face and they 00:22:50.031 --> 00:22:52.971 and you're scared you can shoot them yeah um in 00:22:52.971 --> 00:22:56.351 which case you have some serious misinformation that 00:22:56.351 --> 00:23:00.131 is not how the world works or second 00:23:00.131 --> 00:23:03.411 um like just emotion 00:23:03.411 --> 00:23:07.951 gets the better of you you make a bad mistake and then you start saying foolish 00:23:07.951 --> 00:23:12.491 things to the news media or the police report and now you are legally screwed 00:23:12.491 --> 00:23:17.191 yeah um i don't know if charges are being pressed here but if i was the da right 00:23:17.191 --> 00:23:21.731 i'd be like well that's a slam dunk we can win that one that'll take very little work yeah yeah. 00:23:21.731 --> 00:23:26.291 Sorry um so 00:23:26.291 --> 00:23:28.991 we share these things you know to to be a 00:23:28.991 --> 00:23:31.991 lesson uh for you regardless of having all 00:23:31.991 --> 00:23:34.791 the details or not like look at what we do know and go hey 00:23:34.791 --> 00:23:37.631 there's some there's some advisories we can take from this and 00:23:37.631 --> 00:23:40.591 go you know one i should well not engage 00:23:40.591 --> 00:23:43.351 in road rage if i can help it right i definitely don't 00:23:43.351 --> 00:23:46.891 want to be a perpetrator of that or or to escalate incidents 00:23:46.891 --> 00:23:49.891 of road rage uh to keep 00:23:49.891 --> 00:23:52.771 my my vehicle you know the enclosure of the vehicle 00:23:52.771 --> 00:23:56.671 intact okay windows up if i you know if i am involved in something like this 00:23:56.671 --> 00:24:01.151 uh that's my first line of defense um and then don't shoot people because they 00:24:01.151 --> 00:24:04.611 spit on you or because they get in your face and you get scared yeah and i understand 00:24:04.611 --> 00:24:10.231 like a lady and a maybe it's a large large guy and she's a you know smaller 00:24:10.231 --> 00:24:12.651 maybe even an older lady that feels a little bit more vulnerable, 00:24:12.831 --> 00:24:16.451 but still, you don't get to shoot people just because somebody scares you. 00:24:18.131 --> 00:24:19.831