1 00:00:08,559 --> 00:00:10,580 At quitting time in the 1980s, 2 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:14,000 the men in the Los Angeles business district 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,464 took off their ties, loosened their collars, 4 00:00:16,844 --> 00:00:17,904 and headed home. 5 00:00:18,524 --> 00:00:21,644 While they stepped back into ordinary lives, the 6 00:00:21,644 --> 00:00:25,564 LAPD's most famous homicide detectives stepped deeper into 7 00:00:25,564 --> 00:00:26,224 the darkness 8 00:00:26,844 --> 00:00:29,024 most of them never had to see. 9 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:33,140 John Saint John, known as Jigsaw John, 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,260 carried the faces of dead home with him. 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,299 There was no quitting time in his business. 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,940 He lived in the company of murder. 13 00:00:42,755 --> 00:00:45,314 He studied the handiwork of men who killed 14 00:00:45,314 --> 00:00:46,054 for pleasure. 15 00:00:46,755 --> 00:00:48,134 Their tools were ropes, 16 00:00:48,515 --> 00:00:50,695 knives, their hands, and fear 17 00:00:51,314 --> 00:00:53,975 used to torture and kill their victims. 18 00:00:54,929 --> 00:00:57,429 During forty three years with LAPD 19 00:00:57,809 --> 00:00:58,309 homicide, 20 00:00:58,769 --> 00:01:02,070 he saw more than two thirds of 1,000 21 00:01:02,210 --> 00:01:03,269 homicide cases. 22 00:01:04,209 --> 00:01:07,090 He helped put a dozen prolific serial killers 23 00:01:07,090 --> 00:01:07,750 in prison. 24 00:01:09,155 --> 00:01:11,635 Well, unlike the police dramas that unfolded on 25 00:01:11,635 --> 00:01:13,495 Hollywood's back lots in LA, 26 00:01:14,194 --> 00:01:16,855 Saint John didn't fit the movie stereotype. 27 00:01:17,314 --> 00:01:20,135 He was no Clint Eastwood from Dirty Harry. 28 00:01:20,594 --> 00:01:23,015 He wore rumpled, off the rack suits. 29 00:01:23,689 --> 00:01:26,189 Short and heavy, he shuffled in his step. 30 00:01:26,409 --> 00:01:28,750 He moved slowly, but with deliberate 31 00:01:29,049 --> 00:01:29,549 purpose. 32 00:01:30,170 --> 00:01:32,670 He flashed a gold tooth when he smiled. 33 00:01:33,210 --> 00:01:35,710 He could have been mistaken for someone's grandfather. 34 00:01:37,245 --> 00:01:39,484 He took his own photographs at crime scenes, 35 00:01:39,484 --> 00:01:40,704 hundreds of them. 36 00:01:41,005 --> 00:01:43,344 He spotted clues others missed. 37 00:01:44,204 --> 00:01:46,125 You've got to see the face of a 38 00:01:46,125 --> 00:01:49,379 real victim, he told a reporter in 1974. 39 00:01:49,780 --> 00:01:51,619 You've got to go to the murder scene 40 00:01:51,619 --> 00:01:54,099 and you've got to see the face of 41 00:01:54,099 --> 00:01:54,599 death, 42 00:01:54,979 --> 00:01:55,719 the agony. 43 00:01:56,259 --> 00:01:58,200 They could never fake that on TV. 44 00:01:59,379 --> 00:02:01,640 A lifer paid him the best compliment. 45 00:02:02,344 --> 00:02:05,064 If I ever killed anyone, I would hate 46 00:02:05,064 --> 00:02:06,905 like hell to have old John on my 47 00:02:06,905 --> 00:02:07,405 case 48 00:02:07,784 --> 00:02:10,585 because sooner or later, he's going to get 49 00:02:10,585 --> 00:02:11,085 you. 50 00:02:11,865 --> 00:02:13,245 In 1982, 51 00:02:13,305 --> 00:02:16,665 the LAPD awarded the then 64 year old 52 00:02:16,665 --> 00:02:17,165 detective 53 00:02:17,780 --> 00:02:20,900 the Distinguished Service Medal for solving the Freeway 54 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:22,439 Killer murder case. 55 00:02:23,540 --> 00:02:26,260 Well, St. John carried the coveted badge number 56 00:02:26,260 --> 00:02:29,960 one. He joined the department in 1942. 57 00:02:30,420 --> 00:02:32,680 He was a legend in his own lifetime. 58 00:02:33,875 --> 00:02:37,314 The morning newspaper headline about the award caught 59 00:02:37,314 --> 00:02:38,694 the eye of Jane Howitt, 60 00:02:38,995 --> 00:02:41,794 a 37 year old suburban housewife married to 61 00:02:41,794 --> 00:02:42,534 a physician. 62 00:02:43,474 --> 00:02:46,189 The story jumped off the page as Jane 63 00:02:46,189 --> 00:02:48,990 sipped coffee while her two elementary school age 64 00:02:48,990 --> 00:02:49,490 boys 65 00:02:49,870 --> 00:02:52,210 spoon cereal out of their breakfast bowls. 66 00:02:53,150 --> 00:02:55,710 She was taking a writing course, planned to 67 00:02:55,710 --> 00:02:58,349 publish a book about tennis, the favorite pastime 68 00:02:58,349 --> 00:03:00,930 of women among her circle of friends. 69 00:03:01,625 --> 00:03:02,125 Suddenly, 70 00:03:02,504 --> 00:03:05,484 she found herself drawn to a meatier subject. 71 00:03:06,025 --> 00:03:07,944 She wanted to sink her teeth into the 72 00:03:07,944 --> 00:03:08,444 backstory 73 00:03:08,984 --> 00:03:12,364 of the legendary detective nickname Jigsaw John 74 00:03:12,745 --> 00:03:15,564 after he solved a murder in Griffith Park. 75 00:03:27,754 --> 00:03:29,995 When John got onto the case, the body 76 00:03:29,995 --> 00:03:31,854 was was dismembered, 77 00:03:32,474 --> 00:03:34,735 but the hands were were not found. 78 00:03:35,194 --> 00:03:37,754 So it it came to be later on, 79 00:03:37,754 --> 00:03:40,155 soon, that he was called Jigsaw John because 80 00:03:40,155 --> 00:03:41,935 he was able to put the corpse 81 00:03:42,469 --> 00:03:45,049 back together from the having it been hacked 82 00:03:45,110 --> 00:03:46,889 as it was by the killer. 83 00:03:47,349 --> 00:03:49,269 So it it was it really boiled down 84 00:03:49,269 --> 00:03:52,310 to his being a puzzle solver, being able 85 00:03:52,310 --> 00:03:55,209 to put put not only bodies back together, 86 00:03:55,665 --> 00:03:57,905 but crimes back together. What are the missing 87 00:03:57,905 --> 00:03:58,405 pieces? 88 00:03:58,865 --> 00:04:00,784 So the jigsaw sort of went from the 89 00:04:00,784 --> 00:04:01,284 dismemberment 90 00:04:01,585 --> 00:04:04,485 case to now he became somebody well known 91 00:04:04,625 --> 00:04:06,004 for his ability to, 92 00:04:06,705 --> 00:04:07,205 put, 93 00:04:07,745 --> 00:04:10,405 pieces of the puzzle of the murder puzzle 94 00:04:10,689 --> 00:04:13,250 back together again. That turned out to be 95 00:04:13,250 --> 00:04:14,229 the name Jigsaw 96 00:04:14,530 --> 00:04:15,030 John. 97 00:04:16,769 --> 00:04:19,029 Jane wanted to ride along with Jigsaw. 98 00:04:19,730 --> 00:04:22,930 The detectives in the homicide bullpen responded to 99 00:04:22,930 --> 00:04:26,204 the desire of a novice unpublished writer from 100 00:04:26,204 --> 00:04:27,425 the privileged suburbs 101 00:04:27,805 --> 00:04:30,064 to get up close to murder with, 102 00:04:30,605 --> 00:04:32,464 yeah, like fat chance lady. 103 00:04:33,324 --> 00:04:34,225 Jane's persistence 104 00:04:34,685 --> 00:04:36,144 led to an unprecedented 105 00:04:36,524 --> 00:04:37,504 journey alongside 106 00:04:38,044 --> 00:04:38,544 LAPD's 107 00:04:39,004 --> 00:04:40,064 greatest detective. 108 00:04:40,709 --> 00:04:42,649 It produced her true crime memoir, 109 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:44,490 Jigsaw and Jane, 110 00:04:45,189 --> 00:04:47,769 thirteen years of murder and mayhem 111 00:04:48,149 --> 00:04:49,689 with badge number one. 112 00:04:51,110 --> 00:04:52,329 You look at him 113 00:04:52,785 --> 00:04:54,865 and you think, you know, he's this he's 114 00:04:54,865 --> 00:04:58,245 this sleepy grandfather who goes to the buffet 115 00:04:58,305 --> 00:04:59,444 on Sunday mornings. 116 00:04:59,824 --> 00:05:02,564 He's he has that ordinary look, 117 00:05:03,185 --> 00:05:05,205 you know, a little a little like Columbo. 118 00:05:05,264 --> 00:05:07,585 You know, that kinda aw, shucks look. You 119 00:05:07,585 --> 00:05:08,085 never 120 00:05:08,410 --> 00:05:10,829 think, you know, that he was this, but 121 00:05:11,209 --> 00:05:13,470 I can tell you, I think it helped. 122 00:05:13,610 --> 00:05:15,689 The other thing that helped Robert was the 123 00:05:15,689 --> 00:05:17,629 fact that he was an excellent listener. 124 00:05:18,410 --> 00:05:20,350 He doesn't tell you anything. 125 00:05:21,634 --> 00:05:23,175 You tell him everything. 126 00:05:23,555 --> 00:05:25,334 And the way he would do that was, 127 00:05:25,475 --> 00:05:26,595 you you know, 128 00:05:27,314 --> 00:05:29,254 he would he would listen. 129 00:05:29,954 --> 00:05:31,794 For example, when I was talking to the 130 00:05:31,954 --> 00:05:33,474 one of the mothers of the the murder 131 00:05:33,474 --> 00:05:33,974 victims, 132 00:05:34,274 --> 00:05:37,040 he leaned into her as she spoke to 133 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,620 him, asked her questions about the family, 134 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,580 asked her questions about how things are going. 135 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,460 He had this ordinary sort of look 136 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,259 look to him, but that helped 137 00:05:48,914 --> 00:05:50,995 because I think that disarmed people. They felt 138 00:05:50,995 --> 00:05:52,354 that he could talk to him and they 139 00:05:52,354 --> 00:05:54,595 could tell him stuff. And as he's as 140 00:05:54,595 --> 00:05:57,414 I said to you, he's an information broker. 141 00:05:57,954 --> 00:06:00,534 This is what he lives for. I want 142 00:06:00,995 --> 00:06:02,914 you you would wind up telling him way 143 00:06:02,914 --> 00:06:03,894 more about yourself 144 00:06:04,220 --> 00:06:06,780 and he would know nothing about you. That's 145 00:06:06,780 --> 00:06:08,639 the magic of how his interrogations 146 00:06:09,020 --> 00:06:09,520 went. 147 00:06:13,420 --> 00:06:16,319 Howitt says Jigsaw John's dogged determination 148 00:06:16,699 --> 00:06:18,080 helped solve the sensational 149 00:06:18,985 --> 00:06:20,444 freeway murder case, 150 00:06:20,745 --> 00:06:23,004 the one for which he received the Distinguished 151 00:06:23,144 --> 00:06:23,964 Service Medal. 152 00:06:24,824 --> 00:06:28,504 William Bonin, a truck driver, kidnapped, robbed, raped 153 00:06:28,504 --> 00:06:31,644 and murdered a total of 14 teenage boys 154 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,300 while prowling Southern California in his van between 155 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:36,720 1979 156 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:37,939 and 1980. 157 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:41,279 He dumped their bodies beside freeways in Los 158 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,860 Angeles and Orange Counties, thus the name 159 00:06:44,175 --> 00:06:45,154 Freeway Killer. 160 00:06:46,095 --> 00:06:49,235 Acting on information from his network of informants, 161 00:06:50,014 --> 00:06:52,735 Saint John tracked down the truck driver and, 162 00:06:52,735 --> 00:06:54,915 on 06/11/1980, 163 00:06:55,055 --> 00:06:56,754 his team captured Bonin 164 00:06:57,134 --> 00:06:59,394 in the act of sodomizing a victim. 165 00:06:59,779 --> 00:07:02,100 The killer had his murder kit in his 166 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:02,600 vehicle. 167 00:07:03,460 --> 00:07:06,100 Two months earlier, Bonin had picked up 16 168 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:08,580 year old Stephen Wood shortly after he left 169 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:10,199 his orthodontist appointment. 170 00:07:10,660 --> 00:07:12,660 Wood forgot a notebook at home that he 171 00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:15,514 needed for his driver's ed class. He walked 172 00:07:15,514 --> 00:07:17,435 across the street to buy one at a 173 00:07:17,435 --> 00:07:18,334 liquor store. 174 00:07:18,954 --> 00:07:20,175 At that same moment, 175 00:07:20,714 --> 00:07:23,354 Bonin, the freeway killer, walked in to buy 176 00:07:23,354 --> 00:07:24,574 his morning paper. 177 00:07:25,115 --> 00:07:27,774 Their whirls were never meant to touch. 178 00:07:28,235 --> 00:07:30,810 Wood was Bonin's preferred type, 179 00:07:31,290 --> 00:07:32,509 thin and blonde. 180 00:07:33,850 --> 00:07:35,310 This is just 181 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:38,490 a guess, but it's St. John's guess, is 182 00:07:38,490 --> 00:07:40,810 that he sees Stephen Wood in a hurry 183 00:07:40,810 --> 00:07:43,129 to get to class. Hey kid, you wanna 184 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:43,629 ride? 185 00:07:44,329 --> 00:07:45,975 Hey kid, you know, hey, 186 00:07:46,275 --> 00:07:47,634 and and and he could have known him. 187 00:07:47,634 --> 00:07:49,254 Sure, I'm a little late for class. 188 00:07:49,555 --> 00:07:51,634 You know, I'll take a ride. So guess 189 00:07:51,634 --> 00:07:53,314 what happens? The next thing you know is 190 00:07:53,314 --> 00:07:54,835 that he's found, he's, 191 00:07:55,314 --> 00:07:55,795 he's, 192 00:07:56,275 --> 00:07:58,514 I think it's about the thirteenth victim. So 193 00:07:58,514 --> 00:07:59,895 you talk about sort of 194 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:02,410 I I look at the coincidence of murder. 195 00:08:02,790 --> 00:08:06,149 This happened, shouldn't have happened, that happened, maybe. 196 00:08:06,149 --> 00:08:08,550 It's just like an airplane crash, a serious 197 00:08:08,550 --> 00:08:11,769 happens that you don't expect and watch out. 198 00:08:15,185 --> 00:08:17,665 Stephen Wood's nude body was found the next 199 00:08:17,665 --> 00:08:20,485 morning in an alley behind an industrial complex 200 00:08:20,545 --> 00:08:23,584 near the Pacific Coast Highway and Long Beach 201 00:08:23,584 --> 00:08:24,084 Freeway. 202 00:08:24,785 --> 00:08:28,305 He had been beaten, sodomized, and strangled with 203 00:08:28,305 --> 00:08:28,805 ligature. 204 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:32,759 Bonin loved to hear his victim scream. 205 00:08:33,779 --> 00:08:36,820 He confessed to committing 21 murders in the 206 00:08:36,820 --> 00:08:37,879 span of a year. 207 00:08:38,419 --> 00:08:41,799 Investigators believed he was responsible for many more. 208 00:08:42,554 --> 00:08:45,355 His youngest victim was a 12 year old 209 00:08:45,355 --> 00:08:47,215 waiting for a bus to Disneyland. 210 00:08:48,715 --> 00:08:50,095 In 1996, 211 00:08:50,235 --> 00:08:53,035 Bonin was the first California inmate to be 212 00:08:53,035 --> 00:08:54,975 executed by lethal injection. 213 00:08:56,190 --> 00:08:58,750 Speaking his last words to the ward of 214 00:08:58,750 --> 00:08:59,490 San Quentin, 215 00:09:00,029 --> 00:09:02,190 the serial killer said the death penalty sends 216 00:09:02,190 --> 00:09:04,029 the wrong message to the youth of the 217 00:09:04,029 --> 00:09:04,529 country. 218 00:09:04,990 --> 00:09:07,629 He suggested that when a person considers breaking 219 00:09:07,629 --> 00:09:10,044 the law, they should go to a quiet 220 00:09:10,044 --> 00:09:12,384 place and seriously think about it. 221 00:09:13,404 --> 00:09:16,044 Jane Howard felt what the serial killer could 222 00:09:16,044 --> 00:09:16,945 never feel, 223 00:09:17,404 --> 00:09:19,504 the pain of his victims' mothers, 224 00:09:20,365 --> 00:09:22,945 the last physical memory of their sons, 225 00:09:24,250 --> 00:09:25,070 death certificates. 226 00:09:28,169 --> 00:09:29,070 This book 227 00:09:29,769 --> 00:09:30,589 shook me 228 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:33,610 in so many ways to think that I'm 229 00:09:33,850 --> 00:09:35,929 I I am so I have this good 230 00:09:35,929 --> 00:09:36,429 life, 231 00:09:37,235 --> 00:09:39,315 and their lives are are filled with all 232 00:09:39,315 --> 00:09:40,134 this tragedy, 233 00:09:40,595 --> 00:09:41,095 unbearable 234 00:09:41,875 --> 00:09:42,375 tragedy. 235 00:09:45,154 --> 00:09:47,894 Detective Saint John with Jane Howard in tow 236 00:09:48,274 --> 00:09:50,435 topped off his career with the arrest of 237 00:09:50,435 --> 00:09:52,375 serial killer William Bradford. 238 00:09:53,259 --> 00:09:56,379 Bradford was an amateur photographer driven by a 239 00:09:56,379 --> 00:09:58,240 sadistic lust for murder. 240 00:09:59,419 --> 00:10:02,240 He murdered two girls in in the desert. 241 00:10:02,940 --> 00:10:04,000 He was a photographer. 242 00:10:04,379 --> 00:10:06,700 This is the lure that he used to 243 00:10:06,700 --> 00:10:09,254 get, you know, to get to get women 244 00:10:09,254 --> 00:10:11,095 to go out with him or to get 245 00:10:11,095 --> 00:10:13,654 them to into his into his vehicles, which 246 00:10:13,654 --> 00:10:15,414 is why he wound up killing them and 247 00:10:15,414 --> 00:10:17,254 take and not killing them, but to where 248 00:10:17,254 --> 00:10:18,774 he took them to the desert where he 249 00:10:18,774 --> 00:10:19,595 murdered them. 250 00:10:19,894 --> 00:10:22,019 So Bradshaw was guilty of of of Sherry 251 00:10:22,019 --> 00:10:24,740 Miller and and Tracy Campbell, two murders that 252 00:10:24,740 --> 00:10:27,159 happened in the in the, Mojave Desert. 253 00:10:29,459 --> 00:10:30,500 In July 254 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:34,579 1984, a barmaid named Sherry Miller disappeared after 255 00:10:34,579 --> 00:10:37,220 meeting Bradford at a Hollywood dive called The 256 00:10:37,220 --> 00:10:39,915 Meat Market. He promised to help her build 257 00:10:39,915 --> 00:10:41,134 a modeling portfolio. 258 00:10:41,915 --> 00:10:44,795 Well, days later, Sherry Miller's nude body turned 259 00:10:44,795 --> 00:10:45,695 up in an alley. 260 00:10:46,235 --> 00:10:49,434 Initially unknown, she was named Jane Doe number 261 00:10:49,434 --> 00:10:49,934 sixty 262 00:10:50,549 --> 00:10:53,610 with patches of flesh missing from her leg 263 00:10:53,909 --> 00:10:54,730 and stomach. 264 00:10:55,669 --> 00:10:57,990 Around the same time, Bradford's 15 year old 265 00:10:57,990 --> 00:11:00,009 neighbor, Tracy Campbell, vanished. 266 00:11:00,789 --> 00:11:04,389 Detectives searched his apartment and found rolls of 267 00:11:04,389 --> 00:11:05,610 undeveloped film. 268 00:11:06,365 --> 00:11:08,625 One photograph stopped them cold. 269 00:11:09,245 --> 00:11:12,365 A woman posed against a seal shaped rock 270 00:11:12,365 --> 00:11:12,865 formation, 271 00:11:13,325 --> 00:11:15,745 a tattoo visible on her calf 272 00:11:16,125 --> 00:11:19,085 at the same spot mutilated on Sherry Miller, 273 00:11:19,085 --> 00:11:19,585 aka 274 00:11:20,190 --> 00:11:21,809 Jane Doe number sixty. 275 00:11:22,990 --> 00:11:25,070 Jigsaw drove Jane to the crime scene in 276 00:11:25,070 --> 00:11:27,790 the Mojave Desert to show how his eye 277 00:11:27,790 --> 00:11:28,529 for detail 278 00:11:29,149 --> 00:11:30,210 cracked the case. 279 00:11:31,389 --> 00:11:32,450 I looked around, 280 00:11:32,910 --> 00:11:33,809 and I thought 281 00:11:34,355 --> 00:11:36,754 I thought, this is so desolate. This is 282 00:11:36,754 --> 00:11:38,215 so frightening. Imagine 283 00:11:38,754 --> 00:11:39,975 what it would be like 284 00:11:40,434 --> 00:11:42,915 knowing that this is the place, the last 285 00:11:42,915 --> 00:11:45,955 place you'd ever see before you died. And 286 00:11:45,955 --> 00:11:47,634 that was what one of the both those 287 00:11:47,634 --> 00:11:51,190 girls had to to feel. And Bradford now 288 00:11:51,250 --> 00:11:53,809 isn't the next door neighbor. He's not the 289 00:11:53,809 --> 00:11:54,309 photographer. 290 00:11:54,690 --> 00:11:55,990 He's gonna kill him, 291 00:11:56,290 --> 00:11:58,309 and he's gonna kill him in a way 292 00:11:58,529 --> 00:12:00,070 that is so horrific 293 00:12:00,529 --> 00:12:01,509 and so terrifying. 294 00:12:02,334 --> 00:12:04,334 So all those thoughts were going in my 295 00:12:04,334 --> 00:12:07,294 mind. What did those girls think as they 296 00:12:07,294 --> 00:12:09,554 saw what was going to happen to them? 297 00:12:11,134 --> 00:12:13,934 Bradford was convicted of the death penalty. He 298 00:12:13,934 --> 00:12:16,575 died in 2008 at age 61 in a 299 00:12:16,575 --> 00:12:18,115 prison medical facility. 300 00:12:19,110 --> 00:12:22,550 Investigators suspected him of murdering more than 28 301 00:12:22,550 --> 00:12:23,050 women. 302 00:12:23,910 --> 00:12:25,509 And then in 1993, 303 00:12:25,509 --> 00:12:26,330 the LAPD 304 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:30,250 decided to take Jigsaw John's Ford Crown Victoria 305 00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:30,970 away, 306 00:12:31,664 --> 00:12:34,565 deeming the 75 year old detective a liability 307 00:12:34,945 --> 00:12:36,725 risk behind the wheel. 308 00:12:37,424 --> 00:12:38,245 He retired. 309 00:12:39,664 --> 00:12:41,125 He had to be on the beat. 310 00:12:41,664 --> 00:12:42,945 If he was in his case, I'm not 311 00:12:42,945 --> 00:12:44,705 gonna be I'm not gonna be an office 312 00:12:44,705 --> 00:12:45,205 detective. 313 00:12:45,649 --> 00:12:47,490 He he had to be out there. He 314 00:12:47,490 --> 00:12:49,570 couldn't wait to get out. You know, you 315 00:12:49,570 --> 00:12:51,649 show up at work at 08:30, and then 316 00:12:51,649 --> 00:12:53,330 after a little while, you do your paperwork, 317 00:12:53,330 --> 00:12:54,790 which there's tons of. 318 00:12:55,170 --> 00:12:56,850 But then when he could get out, that 319 00:12:56,850 --> 00:12:59,250 was when he really started to thrive. You 320 00:12:59,250 --> 00:13:01,110 know, he never needed a map 321 00:13:01,464 --> 00:13:02,825 to go any I said, where are your 322 00:13:02,825 --> 00:13:04,825 maps? When I was in his car, he 323 00:13:04,825 --> 00:13:06,845 knew every street. He could go any place. 324 00:13:07,384 --> 00:13:07,964 You know, 325 00:13:08,585 --> 00:13:10,845 there's no maps in his not one. 326 00:13:11,144 --> 00:13:14,759 So he knew LA. Every street, every avenue, 327 00:13:14,759 --> 00:13:17,480 every alley, he knew. It was in his 328 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:17,980 head. 329 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:19,019 So 330 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,200 to be taken away from his car was 331 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,279 like taking away, you know, his world of 332 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:24,779 homicide. 333 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:25,879 And then he, 334 00:13:26,504 --> 00:13:27,485 then he quit. 335 00:13:28,024 --> 00:13:30,285 And the party was the retirement party 336 00:13:31,304 --> 00:13:31,804 was 337 00:13:32,264 --> 00:13:34,504 was so it was a mixture of, you 338 00:13:34,504 --> 00:13:36,424 know, fun and games. But at the end 339 00:13:36,424 --> 00:13:38,585 of it, everybody knew that that it was 340 00:13:38,585 --> 00:13:39,565 end of an era 341 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:41,540 with the end with the end of Saint 342 00:13:41,540 --> 00:13:43,639 John because it would never be the same. 343 00:13:46,340 --> 00:13:49,460 Detective John Saint John died of cancer two 344 00:13:49,460 --> 00:13:50,679 years after retiring. 345 00:13:51,379 --> 00:13:54,200 But Jigsaw John once said of serial killers, 346 00:13:55,154 --> 00:13:57,955 These guys all kill the same way you 347 00:13:57,955 --> 00:14:00,375 or me pick a banana off a tree. 348 00:14:01,154 --> 00:14:03,794 Whenever they get the urge, they go out 349 00:14:03,794 --> 00:14:06,215 and do it to get their sexual gratification 350 00:14:06,514 --> 00:14:07,254 or whatever. 351 00:14:07,949 --> 00:14:09,649 They'll keep doing it too 352 00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:11,730 until you stop them.