1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,400 Gin Ruiz Cam was a ruthless drug king 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,039 Penn in Dallas, Texas during the late 19 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:08,439 eighties. 4 00:00:09,572 --> 00:00:12,223 Connected to a powerful Mexican drug cartel, 5 00:00:12,679 --> 00:00:14,215 Cam had an ins 6 00:00:14,591 --> 00:00:15,627 lust for violence. 7 00:00:16,677 --> 00:00:18,586 Fellow drug dealers noted that he could turn 8 00:00:18,586 --> 00:00:21,847 his brutality on and off like a light 9 00:00:21,847 --> 00:00:22,165 switch. 10 00:00:23,294 --> 00:00:25,525 Cam once told his right hand man that 11 00:00:25,525 --> 00:00:27,677 he planned to cut out a guy's hard 12 00:00:27,677 --> 00:00:29,749 and eat it and make him eat it 13 00:00:29,749 --> 00:00:30,068 too. 14 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:33,700 During his capital murder trial, a prosecutor 15 00:00:34,079 --> 00:00:36,799 described Cam as a mad dog killer. 16 00:00:37,679 --> 00:00:39,439 After Jurors sentenced him to death, 17 00:00:40,013 --> 00:00:42,318 The judge remark that the trial had featured 18 00:00:42,318 --> 00:00:45,099 the most g test and bizarre set of 19 00:00:45,099 --> 00:00:45,599 facts 20 00:00:45,973 --> 00:00:48,698 ever heard in a courtroom in this nation 21 00:00:49,008 --> 00:00:51,568 since the Charles Manson Killings in California, 22 00:00:52,653 --> 00:00:53,550 call the verdict 23 00:00:54,159 --> 00:00:54,659 exceedingly 24 00:00:55,031 --> 00:00:55,507 appropriate. 25 00:00:56,715 --> 00:00:58,635 Just how g tests you wonder? 26 00:00:59,515 --> 00:01:01,855 Cam put a woman through a tree mulch 27 00:01:02,234 --> 00:01:04,075 and murdered a 4 year old boy and 28 00:01:04,075 --> 00:01:04,635 his mother. 29 00:01:06,167 --> 00:01:09,200 Fbi special agent Ta Bailey of the Dallas 30 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,898 violent crime task force 31 00:01:11,595 --> 00:01:13,511 pursued Cam for 2 years. 32 00:01:14,563 --> 00:01:16,632 At the time of the trial, Bailey said 33 00:01:16,712 --> 00:01:19,339 Cam was the worst criminal he'd had come 34 00:01:19,339 --> 00:01:21,249 across in 21 years. 35 00:01:22,458 --> 00:01:23,889 In 2024, 36 00:01:24,287 --> 00:01:25,877 long retired from the bureau, 37 00:01:26,672 --> 00:01:29,058 Bailey sat down to talk to me about 38 00:01:29,058 --> 00:01:31,285 the case that still haunt him today. 39 00:01:32,254 --> 00:01:34,324 We had a history together from my reporting 40 00:01:34,324 --> 00:01:38,326 years earlier on bank takeover gangs and wanted 41 00:01:38,383 --> 00:01:39,361 violent fugitive. 42 00:01:40,469 --> 00:01:43,102 19 99, bailey presented me with the first 43 00:01:43,102 --> 00:01:46,932 ever Dallas Crime Commission award for excellence in 44 00:01:46,932 --> 00:01:47,730 crime reporting. 45 00:01:48,778 --> 00:01:51,554 And Ta Bailey joined the Fbi after serving 46 00:01:51,554 --> 00:01:53,379 with the marines in Vietnam. 47 00:01:54,172 --> 00:01:55,838 After 14 years with a bureau, 48 00:01:56,409 --> 00:01:59,041 Bailey transferred to the Dallas field office to 49 00:01:59,041 --> 00:02:01,434 head up the Dallas swat team and work 50 00:02:01,434 --> 00:02:02,790 violent crime cases. 51 00:02:08,387 --> 00:02:11,359 So we we covered everything from 52 00:02:11,737 --> 00:02:12,476 bank robber, 53 00:02:13,092 --> 00:02:13,810 to kidnapping, 54 00:02:14,527 --> 00:02:15,006 ex, 55 00:02:15,658 --> 00:02:17,904 Armored car Robber and fugitive. 56 00:02:18,356 --> 00:02:19,968 Most of the fugitive being 57 00:02:20,817 --> 00:02:21,317 wanted 58 00:02:22,007 --> 00:02:22,507 as 59 00:02:23,690 --> 00:02:26,629 unlawful was called unlawful flight. They've been charged 60 00:02:26,629 --> 00:02:29,648 by state authorities for some type of a 61 00:02:29,648 --> 00:02:32,046 violent crime. It could be murder could be 62 00:02:32,046 --> 00:02:32,864 armed robbery 63 00:02:33,477 --> 00:02:33,977 kidnapping 64 00:02:34,589 --> 00:02:37,053 whatever the state had charged a felony in 65 00:02:37,053 --> 00:02:38,189 on with 66 00:02:38,563 --> 00:02:40,963 belief that the person had travel in interstate 67 00:02:40,963 --> 00:02:41,281 commerce. 68 00:02:42,474 --> 00:02:45,256 The cam case began with a brutal murder 69 00:02:45,256 --> 00:02:47,959 in kidnapping at a crack house in pleasant 70 00:02:47,959 --> 00:02:48,277 grove, 71 00:02:48,769 --> 00:02:52,125 A notoriously violent neighborhood in Southeast Dallas. 72 00:02:52,765 --> 00:02:55,242 And to this day, pleasant grove remains a 73 00:02:55,242 --> 00:02:56,360 hotspot for crime. 74 00:02:57,334 --> 00:02:58,375 On the day in question, 75 00:02:58,854 --> 00:03:00,955 33 year old Gin Cam 76 00:03:01,414 --> 00:03:03,754 arrived outside the house with 3 acc. 77 00:03:04,709 --> 00:03:07,669 Cam a stock and sw 5 foot 7, 78 00:03:07,989 --> 00:03:09,269 175 79 00:03:09,269 --> 00:03:10,329 pound drug dealer 80 00:03:10,629 --> 00:03:13,430 was already wanted in South Texas for killing 81 00:03:13,430 --> 00:03:15,836 a man with a shot gun over a 82 00:03:15,836 --> 00:03:17,586 trivial name calling dispute. 83 00:03:18,461 --> 00:03:21,919 His presence ex a sinister Aura reminiscent 84 00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:24,939 of a malevolent nineteenth century ghost. 85 00:03:26,139 --> 00:03:28,159 Cam parked in from the d 86 00:03:28,620 --> 00:03:29,740 2 story crack house, 87 00:03:30,473 --> 00:03:33,982 psych himself up for the confrontation by banging 88 00:03:33,982 --> 00:03:35,577 his fist on the steering wheel. 89 00:03:36,375 --> 00:03:38,049 He had fronted 30000 90 00:03:38,049 --> 00:03:39,586 dollars worth of marijuana 91 00:03:39,898 --> 00:03:43,081 to 31 year old Evelyn banks an occasional 92 00:03:43,081 --> 00:03:45,548 drug dealer who lived there with her 3 93 00:03:45,548 --> 00:03:46,764 year old son Andre 94 00:03:47,314 --> 00:03:50,101 and her common law husband, 52 year old 95 00:03:50,260 --> 00:03:51,535 Sam junior wright. 96 00:03:52,331 --> 00:03:55,278 Right, the boy's father was also a wanted 97 00:03:55,278 --> 00:03:55,778 fugitive 98 00:03:56,329 --> 00:03:56,968 drug dealer. 99 00:03:57,688 --> 00:03:59,925 It was time for Evelyn to pay the 100 00:03:59,925 --> 00:04:00,324 piper. 101 00:04:01,363 --> 00:04:04,993 She had about 30000 dollars was to drugs 102 00:04:05,128 --> 00:04:06,954 she was gonna sell in into projects. 103 00:04:07,510 --> 00:04:09,177 But when she went down there, she got 104 00:04:09,177 --> 00:04:09,733 ripped off. 105 00:04:10,447 --> 00:04:11,638 So she didn't have the money. 106 00:04:12,369 --> 00:04:15,000 So Cam kept calling wanting his money, 107 00:04:15,559 --> 00:04:17,552 and she wouldn't answer the phone, 108 00:04:18,190 --> 00:04:19,647 wouldn't blow him off and 109 00:04:20,104 --> 00:04:21,300 wouldn't come to the door. 110 00:04:22,114 --> 00:04:23,632 So he finally got fed up. 111 00:04:24,670 --> 00:04:27,387 Cam rounded up some muscle to assist him 112 00:04:27,387 --> 00:04:28,585 in collecting his dead. 113 00:04:29,318 --> 00:04:32,252 He and Juan Jackson his girlfriend's 24 year 114 00:04:32,252 --> 00:04:32,728 old brother, 115 00:04:33,362 --> 00:04:36,455 headed to Eddie Blaine Cummings 2 bedroom apartment. 116 00:04:37,344 --> 00:04:40,301 Cummings, a muscular 24 year old known as 117 00:04:40,301 --> 00:04:43,258 fast eddie had been cam cell made in 118 00:04:43,258 --> 00:04:45,415 the Dallas County jail a few months earlier. 119 00:04:46,308 --> 00:04:49,275 He already had a long rap sheet, including 120 00:04:49,650 --> 00:04:50,685 narcotics violations. 121 00:04:51,401 --> 00:04:52,856 Legal possession of firearms 122 00:04:53,724 --> 00:04:57,153 and stealing several thousand dollars from his mother. 123 00:04:58,110 --> 00:05:00,661 Cam burst into the apartment shouting wake up, 124 00:05:00,901 --> 00:05:02,176 we've got work to do. 125 00:05:02,988 --> 00:05:04,738 But cummings who was in bed with his 126 00:05:04,738 --> 00:05:07,147 23 year old girlfriend Pamela Miller 127 00:05:07,522 --> 00:05:09,136 was sleeping off a hangover. 128 00:05:10,083 --> 00:05:12,178 The night before cummings and Cam 129 00:05:12,634 --> 00:05:14,786 had been out at baby dolls, a strip 130 00:05:14,786 --> 00:05:17,178 club where Pamela worked as a top list 131 00:05:17,178 --> 00:05:17,576 dancer. 132 00:05:18,707 --> 00:05:19,925 Groggy and irritable, 133 00:05:20,381 --> 00:05:23,410 cummings refused to budge. He told Cam to 134 00:05:23,410 --> 00:05:26,855 round up his roommate, George David Cook, and 135 00:05:26,855 --> 00:05:29,975 38 year old Larry Gene Merrill known as 136 00:05:29,975 --> 00:05:32,214 the Indian to help with the job. 137 00:05:33,495 --> 00:05:34,535 They went to the house. 138 00:05:35,508 --> 00:05:37,581 When they got there, the house has a 139 00:05:37,581 --> 00:05:38,140 front porch, 140 00:05:38,778 --> 00:05:40,931 But they had burglar bars on the front, 141 00:05:41,170 --> 00:05:44,222 all the around the front with a chain 142 00:05:44,854 --> 00:05:46,694 around it to keep it locked, 143 00:05:47,254 --> 00:05:48,294 and the padlock lock on it. 144 00:05:49,014 --> 00:05:51,274 So when they got to the house, Cam 145 00:05:51,415 --> 00:05:54,389 sent juan jackson around to the side, and 146 00:05:54,389 --> 00:05:55,985 told him to cut the telephone line. 147 00:05:56,943 --> 00:05:58,938 Which she did, and then they came and 148 00:05:58,938 --> 00:06:00,534 cut the chain on the front door, 149 00:06:01,173 --> 00:06:02,290 kicked in the front door, 150 00:06:02,943 --> 00:06:04,849 David Cook had a 03:57, 151 00:06:05,485 --> 00:06:05,985 and 152 00:06:06,358 --> 00:06:08,106 I'm not sure if it was juan, or 153 00:06:08,186 --> 00:06:10,807 Larry Mer had a Mac 10 submachine gun. 154 00:06:11,619 --> 00:06:13,856 They kicked in the front door. They grabbed 155 00:06:13,856 --> 00:06:15,934 devil and they sent 1 of the guys 156 00:06:15,934 --> 00:06:19,471 up the stairs, grab Sam wright and Andre 157 00:06:20,184 --> 00:06:23,055 banks, Evelyn 3 year row boy and brought 158 00:06:23,055 --> 00:06:23,794 him downstairs. 159 00:06:24,729 --> 00:06:27,600 And Cam started screaming at. He wanted his 160 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,083 money. He wanted his money he was gonna 161 00:06:30,083 --> 00:06:32,064 get his money. Well about that time, 162 00:06:32,698 --> 00:06:33,490 David Wilbur, 163 00:06:34,045 --> 00:06:36,184 who was Sam Rights and nephew. 164 00:06:36,913 --> 00:06:37,971 Came to the house 165 00:06:38,427 --> 00:06:40,759 because they were planning on going this report 166 00:06:40,976 --> 00:06:42,569 for a funeral that day, 167 00:06:43,285 --> 00:06:45,356 and Sam did not wanna drive. 168 00:06:46,169 --> 00:06:48,583 Sam had been convicted in federal court 169 00:06:48,961 --> 00:06:50,158 for drug trafficking. 170 00:06:51,115 --> 00:06:52,732 While the jury was a deli, 171 00:06:54,001 --> 00:06:55,674 and they were in recess, 172 00:06:56,868 --> 00:06:59,098 Sam walked down the stairs and walked out 173 00:06:59,098 --> 00:06:59,815 of the courthouse. 174 00:07:00,293 --> 00:07:01,908 So he was a federal fugitive 175 00:07:02,299 --> 00:07:03,338 on the drug charges. 176 00:07:03,898 --> 00:07:06,215 He didn't wanna drive because if they got 177 00:07:06,215 --> 00:07:06,535 stopped, 178 00:07:07,094 --> 00:07:09,892 he'd get arrested. So David Wilbur was gonna 179 00:07:09,892 --> 00:07:11,490 drive because he was clean. 180 00:07:12,384 --> 00:07:13,603 Well, they brought Wi, 181 00:07:14,381 --> 00:07:16,319 and they put him down on his knees 182 00:07:16,458 --> 00:07:18,615 and add him lie down flat on the 183 00:07:18,615 --> 00:07:18,935 floor. 184 00:07:19,590 --> 00:07:21,930 And cam kept screaming for his money 185 00:07:22,310 --> 00:07:23,990 and said to show Business, 186 00:07:24,629 --> 00:07:26,870 he told David cook to shoot. 187 00:07:28,081 --> 00:07:28,956 Wilbur in the head. 188 00:07:29,592 --> 00:07:29,910 Well, 189 00:07:30,547 --> 00:07:32,853 David couldn't do it. So Cam took the 190 00:07:32,853 --> 00:07:35,001 gun away from him and shot Wilbur in 191 00:07:35,001 --> 00:07:37,488 the back of the head, with the 03:57. 192 00:07:39,646 --> 00:07:40,385 He then 193 00:07:40,764 --> 00:07:41,723 grabbed Sam, 194 00:07:42,362 --> 00:07:44,520 Evelyn and Andre and said let's go. 195 00:07:45,174 --> 00:07:47,161 And they started marching them out to the 196 00:07:47,161 --> 00:07:47,399 car. 197 00:07:48,114 --> 00:07:49,545 They were driving and I think the Lincoln 198 00:07:49,704 --> 00:07:50,204 Continental 199 00:07:50,578 --> 00:07:52,406 that belonged to David Cook mother. 200 00:07:53,058 --> 00:07:54,653 Well, as they were getting into the car, 201 00:07:55,211 --> 00:07:56,885 Sam wright, broken ran. 202 00:07:57,841 --> 00:08:00,153 And he sent juan after him, but juan 203 00:08:00,153 --> 00:08:02,559 couldn't catch him. So they took Evelyn and 204 00:08:02,638 --> 00:08:03,138 Andre 205 00:08:03,515 --> 00:08:05,687 took off and went to the apartment at 206 00:08:06,541 --> 00:08:07,679 royal and central 207 00:08:08,373 --> 00:08:09,727 and left Evelyn there. 208 00:08:10,857 --> 00:08:11,891 With cook, 209 00:08:13,164 --> 00:08:14,198 Eddie Blaine cummings, 210 00:08:15,630 --> 00:08:16,925 and Larry Mer 211 00:08:17,619 --> 00:08:18,892 realizing what was going on. 212 00:08:19,464 --> 00:08:21,142 Said I'm getting out of here and he 213 00:08:21,142 --> 00:08:21,382 left. 214 00:08:22,740 --> 00:08:25,377 Ta Bailey watched the television news coverage of 215 00:08:25,377 --> 00:08:26,655 the murder and kidnapping, 216 00:08:27,229 --> 00:08:29,382 While sitting in the hospital where his daughter 217 00:08:29,382 --> 00:08:31,238 was recovering from a tons. 218 00:08:32,254 --> 00:08:34,088 When you saw on television, what was it 219 00:08:34,088 --> 00:08:36,641 about your instincts that you said, this drug 220 00:08:36,641 --> 00:08:36,880 related. 221 00:08:38,404 --> 00:08:39,596 We had so many... 222 00:08:40,231 --> 00:08:42,534 We had so many kidnapping that you could 223 00:08:42,534 --> 00:08:43,034 tell 224 00:08:43,964 --> 00:08:45,099 you could tell by 225 00:08:45,488 --> 00:08:46,204 the neighborhood, 226 00:08:46,761 --> 00:08:47,397 the victim, 227 00:08:48,272 --> 00:08:49,409 the circumstances 228 00:08:49,784 --> 00:08:52,034 of the kidnapping, you, that 229 00:08:52,664 --> 00:08:55,617 this was not a sex related kidnapping. 230 00:08:56,176 --> 00:08:58,970 This was to collect a drug debt. Sam 231 00:08:58,970 --> 00:09:01,659 reid, the fugitive drug dealer who had escaped 232 00:09:01,939 --> 00:09:05,235 call the Fbi and inform them that Cam 233 00:09:05,534 --> 00:09:08,431 had taken Evelyn banks under son Andre Hostage 234 00:09:08,903 --> 00:09:11,842 over the 30000 dollars she owed him for 235 00:09:11,842 --> 00:09:13,590 25 pounds of marijuana. 236 00:09:14,781 --> 00:09:17,403 Authorities were unaware that the mother and child 237 00:09:17,403 --> 00:09:19,567 were being held at the apartment of Eddie 238 00:09:19,726 --> 00:09:21,422 Blaine Cummings fast eddie 239 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,272 with his girlfriend, Pamela Miller, the stripper. 240 00:09:25,150 --> 00:09:28,441 In the meantime, Bailey tracked down Cam wife 241 00:09:28,674 --> 00:09:29,073 Vicki. 242 00:09:29,630 --> 00:09:32,123 And she tells us about Cam girlfriend 243 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:33,717 named Wanda Jackson 244 00:09:34,333 --> 00:09:35,927 and Wanda lives in Richardson. 245 00:09:36,818 --> 00:09:39,361 And she's a black female with blue eyes. 246 00:09:40,473 --> 00:09:40,973 And 247 00:09:42,459 --> 00:09:42,959 so 248 00:09:43,413 --> 00:09:44,684 we took that information. 249 00:09:46,134 --> 00:09:46,534 She said, 250 00:09:47,414 --> 00:09:49,654 she was trying to get a divorce from 251 00:09:49,815 --> 00:09:50,294 Cam, 252 00:09:50,774 --> 00:09:53,423 but Cam had threatened oliver of her lawyers, 253 00:09:53,582 --> 00:09:55,329 so she was having trouble. None of the 254 00:09:55,329 --> 00:09:57,473 lawyers wanted to take the case because they 255 00:09:57,473 --> 00:09:58,585 were afraid of Cam. 256 00:09:59,300 --> 00:10:01,365 She was divorcing him because she caught him 257 00:10:01,365 --> 00:10:02,815 mole lasting. Their daughter. 258 00:10:03,934 --> 00:10:04,434 So 259 00:10:05,054 --> 00:10:07,375 so anyway, she said the girlfriend was Wanda. 260 00:10:07,615 --> 00:10:09,154 So he's started doing 261 00:10:10,106 --> 00:10:12,809 some background on wanda Jackson we found her 262 00:10:12,809 --> 00:10:15,615 address in Richardson, Texas. We went up to 263 00:10:15,672 --> 00:10:15,910 interviewer. 264 00:10:16,626 --> 00:10:19,531 She said, no. She said, she hadn't seen 265 00:10:19,750 --> 00:10:22,325 Cam since the previous Thursday 266 00:10:22,703 --> 00:10:24,778 when they had gone to a funeral of 267 00:10:24,778 --> 00:10:26,945 1 of her family members. But she didn't 268 00:10:26,945 --> 00:10:28,615 know anything else about. 269 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,147 We found out later that as soon as 270 00:10:33,147 --> 00:10:35,532 we left, she called Cam and said, 271 00:10:36,183 --> 00:10:38,568 Big brother's been here, and he says you've 272 00:10:38,568 --> 00:10:40,238 been a a very bad boy. 273 00:10:41,112 --> 00:10:44,292 The Fbi quickly identified Cam and his 3 274 00:10:44,292 --> 00:10:44,769 acc. 275 00:10:45,579 --> 00:10:47,331 But by the end of the week, the 276 00:10:47,331 --> 00:10:48,685 trail had gone cold. 277 00:10:49,481 --> 00:10:51,871 Cam had made no effort to contact anyone 278 00:10:51,871 --> 00:10:54,394 to demand ransom for Evelyn banks and her 279 00:10:54,514 --> 00:10:55,795 3 year old son Andre. 280 00:10:56,595 --> 00:10:58,754 There were no clues about the location of 281 00:10:58,754 --> 00:11:01,254 the kidnapped victims are, Cam whereabouts. 282 00:11:02,447 --> 00:11:05,314 A new lead emerged when Pamela Miller, the 283 00:11:05,314 --> 00:11:08,022 top list answer and girlfriend of fast eddie 284 00:11:08,022 --> 00:11:08,522 cummings 285 00:11:08,898 --> 00:11:10,172 was reported missing. 286 00:11:11,065 --> 00:11:13,465 A friend informed the police that Miller had 287 00:11:13,465 --> 00:11:14,365 mentioned witnessing 288 00:11:14,985 --> 00:11:16,684 something she shouldn't have 289 00:11:16,985 --> 00:11:18,745 and that she was planning to go away 290 00:11:18,745 --> 00:11:19,465 for a while. 291 00:11:20,118 --> 00:11:23,780 Another acquaintance recognized Cam from newspaper stories as 292 00:11:23,780 --> 00:11:25,611 the man she had seen with a strip 293 00:11:25,611 --> 00:11:27,283 and others at baby dolls. 294 00:11:28,654 --> 00:11:31,694 3 months into the investigation, the first of 295 00:11:31,694 --> 00:11:32,194 2 296 00:11:32,495 --> 00:11:34,735 significant breaks came the Fbi's way. 297 00:11:35,627 --> 00:11:38,325 A snitch reported that Eddy Cummings was hiding 298 00:11:38,325 --> 00:11:41,816 out in his hometown of Lot, Oklahoma and 299 00:11:41,816 --> 00:11:43,164 planned to visit a restaurant. 300 00:11:44,291 --> 00:11:45,029 Us Marshals 301 00:11:45,482 --> 00:11:48,499 apprehended him serving him dessert in handcuffs. 302 00:11:49,770 --> 00:11:52,652 Cummings unravel the story of the murder and 303 00:11:52,708 --> 00:11:53,159 abduction 304 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,559 revealing the involvement of David Cook, who had 305 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,279 hesitate to pull the trigger to kill David 306 00:11:59,440 --> 00:11:59,839 Wilbur. 307 00:12:00,573 --> 00:12:03,513 Cook agreed to plead guilty to 1 federal 308 00:12:03,513 --> 00:12:06,772 count of kidnapping and exchange for sharing what 309 00:12:06,772 --> 00:12:07,328 he knew. 310 00:12:08,617 --> 00:12:10,394 What he revealed was horrifying. 311 00:12:11,249 --> 00:12:14,381 2 days after the murder and enraged Cam 312 00:12:14,759 --> 00:12:17,252 informed cook that his girlfriend Wanda Jackson 313 00:12:17,884 --> 00:12:21,072 had just been interviewed by Fbi agent Ta 314 00:12:21,072 --> 00:12:21,550 bailey. 315 00:12:22,427 --> 00:12:25,296 Furious that the Fbi was closing in on 316 00:12:25,296 --> 00:12:28,654 him Cam ordered cooked a snatch Evelyn banks 317 00:12:28,654 --> 00:12:31,281 in her son Andre from the apartment shared 318 00:12:31,281 --> 00:12:32,793 with fast eddy cummings. 319 00:12:34,242 --> 00:12:37,432 Cam, then directed Cook to find 26 year 320 00:12:37,432 --> 00:12:38,948 old spencer Stanley, 321 00:12:39,506 --> 00:12:42,377 a dangerous psycho path who did his dirty 322 00:12:42,377 --> 00:12:42,616 work. 323 00:12:43,429 --> 00:12:46,243 The group transported banks and her son north 324 00:12:46,301 --> 00:12:49,093 to ar more Oklahoma just across the border 325 00:12:49,093 --> 00:12:49,652 from Texas. 326 00:12:50,705 --> 00:12:54,084 Cook recounted how K banks calm by 327 00:12:54,384 --> 00:12:56,065 telling her they were going to fly her 328 00:12:56,065 --> 00:12:58,164 to California from a Clan 329 00:12:58,544 --> 00:12:59,184 airs strip. 330 00:13:01,355 --> 00:13:03,349 So they went up to Ar more Oklahoma, 331 00:13:03,588 --> 00:13:05,821 and they checked into a motel room, 332 00:13:06,698 --> 00:13:09,410 and Cam hotels Spencer Stanley. 333 00:13:10,224 --> 00:13:11,523 Go find a place 334 00:13:11,902 --> 00:13:13,101 to get rid of these 2. 335 00:13:14,220 --> 00:13:15,599 With that, but he's 336 00:13:16,058 --> 00:13:18,376 he doesn't say that in front of Evelyn 337 00:13:18,376 --> 00:13:19,015 and andre. 338 00:13:20,068 --> 00:13:22,940 Spencer Stanley was from Oklahoma knew the area. 339 00:13:23,418 --> 00:13:25,412 He went out to a remote area on 340 00:13:25,412 --> 00:13:26,289 the back roads, 341 00:13:26,848 --> 00:13:29,001 went back into the woods and Doug a 342 00:13:29,001 --> 00:13:29,501 very 343 00:13:29,813 --> 00:13:30,927 long deep hole. 344 00:13:31,802 --> 00:13:34,347 It came back to the hotel and told 345 00:13:34,427 --> 00:13:35,461 Cam it was done. 346 00:13:36,828 --> 00:13:39,848 The next morning, Cam told Evelyn that he 347 00:13:39,848 --> 00:13:42,312 had a Clan landing strip out in the 348 00:13:42,312 --> 00:13:44,457 woods, and he was gonna have a plane 349 00:13:44,457 --> 00:13:46,879 come pick them up take them into California, 350 00:13:47,570 --> 00:13:49,260 and they were to stay there in California 351 00:13:49,872 --> 00:13:52,095 until all the heat died down, then they 352 00:13:52,095 --> 00:13:52,809 could come back. 353 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:56,339 So they drove to this remote area in 354 00:13:56,339 --> 00:13:57,220 these dirt road, 355 00:13:57,860 --> 00:14:00,100 and they walked back into their woods and 356 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:02,440 as soon as Evelyn saw the hole 357 00:14:02,754 --> 00:14:04,674 she knew what was coming, and she led 358 00:14:04,674 --> 00:14:06,514 out a scream and collapsed. 359 00:14:07,235 --> 00:14:09,875 And Spencer Stanley had Andre on his shoulders. 360 00:14:10,434 --> 00:14:12,528 He threw him down in the hole and 361 00:14:12,607 --> 00:14:16,104 Cam pumped 4 rounds into his head, a 362 00:14:16,104 --> 00:14:17,614 3 year old, a 3 year old, 363 00:14:18,409 --> 00:14:19,204 from a 3 80. 364 00:14:20,415 --> 00:14:23,394 He then pushed the evelyn in the hole 365 00:14:23,615 --> 00:14:25,375 and pumped several rounds into her. 366 00:14:26,415 --> 00:14:29,375 And then he sprinkle cat litter over her. 367 00:14:30,106 --> 00:14:32,090 And then they filled up the hole, and 368 00:14:32,090 --> 00:14:33,280 covered it up with brush. 369 00:14:34,073 --> 00:14:36,160 Then they drove over to Tis 370 00:14:37,424 --> 00:14:40,401 to a boat ramp on the lake t, 371 00:14:41,019 --> 00:14:43,416 and they threw the 3 80 out into 372 00:14:43,416 --> 00:14:44,076 the lake 373 00:14:45,108 --> 00:14:47,740 After bumping along the back rows of Southern 374 00:14:48,139 --> 00:14:49,175 Oklahoma for 2 days, 375 00:14:49,973 --> 00:14:52,844 David Cook finally located the remote graves side 376 00:14:52,844 --> 00:14:55,169 of Evelyn banks at her son Andre. 377 00:14:56,201 --> 00:14:59,081 On a sw August afternoon in Texas 378 00:14:59,533 --> 00:15:01,279 with no breeze to offer relief. 379 00:15:02,247 --> 00:15:05,109 Fbi just began their Grim task of digging. 380 00:15:05,984 --> 00:15:09,505 They soon uncovered spent 3 80 caliber cartridges. 381 00:15:10,054 --> 00:15:12,455 A chilling testament to the violence that had 382 00:15:12,455 --> 00:15:12,774 occurred. 383 00:15:13,815 --> 00:15:16,955 After 2 hours of labor, an Fbi agent 384 00:15:17,014 --> 00:15:18,534 standing way steep in the hold, 385 00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:20,306 une earth the remains. 386 00:15:21,263 --> 00:15:24,692 A foul stan fill the air overwhelming the 387 00:15:24,692 --> 00:15:24,852 agents. 388 00:15:25,729 --> 00:15:28,441 They neutralize the odor by smear Vic vapor 389 00:15:28,441 --> 00:15:30,130 rub under their noses. 390 00:15:30,927 --> 00:15:33,476 As they continue to dig, they found Evelyn 391 00:15:33,476 --> 00:15:35,309 lying as she had died on top of 392 00:15:35,309 --> 00:15:35,787 her son. 393 00:15:36,599 --> 00:15:39,788 Both bodies were partially mum by the cat 394 00:15:39,788 --> 00:15:42,101 litter, the killers had spread over them. 395 00:15:43,456 --> 00:15:44,435 Another g 396 00:15:45,051 --> 00:15:45,551 revelations 397 00:15:45,944 --> 00:15:46,344 awaited. 398 00:15:46,983 --> 00:15:49,060 En route from Dallas to search for banks 399 00:15:49,060 --> 00:15:49,699 and our son, 400 00:15:50,578 --> 00:15:52,975 David Cook and a matter of fact tone, 401 00:15:53,629 --> 00:15:56,421 made a startling disclosure about the disappearance of 402 00:15:56,581 --> 00:15:59,852 Pamela Miller, the top list dancer from baby 403 00:15:59,852 --> 00:16:00,091 dolls. 404 00:16:01,856 --> 00:16:03,546 David Cook told us 405 00:16:04,236 --> 00:16:06,378 when we were taking him up to Oklahoma, 406 00:16:07,409 --> 00:16:08,599 would it happened there. 407 00:16:09,408 --> 00:16:11,238 And we were driving up 35, 408 00:16:12,033 --> 00:16:14,442 and we knew Pamela Miller was missing 409 00:16:14,817 --> 00:16:15,215 and then. 410 00:16:16,503 --> 00:16:18,894 She supposedly had seen something she wasn't supposed 411 00:16:18,894 --> 00:16:21,365 to see, which was what she saw at 412 00:16:21,365 --> 00:16:21,923 the apartment, 413 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,962 and we asked David Cook we had heard 414 00:16:24,962 --> 00:16:25,620 that Cam 415 00:16:25,993 --> 00:16:27,262 took her to Mexico with him? 416 00:16:28,214 --> 00:16:28,769 We asking, 417 00:16:29,721 --> 00:16:31,704 where's where's Pamela Miller now? 418 00:16:32,513 --> 00:16:33,785 Where in Mexico is he? 419 00:16:34,659 --> 00:16:37,044 And he's he said she's not in Mexico. 420 00:16:37,282 --> 00:16:37,759 She's dead. 421 00:16:38,872 --> 00:16:39,429 We said, 422 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:40,879 Well, 423 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:43,039 where she buried? 424 00:16:43,679 --> 00:16:44,960 He said you'll never find her. 425 00:16:45,839 --> 00:16:46,960 And we said why not? 426 00:16:47,933 --> 00:16:49,687 He said, well, we ran her through a 427 00:16:49,687 --> 00:16:50,245 tree altar. 428 00:16:50,803 --> 00:16:53,913 Bailey recalls nearly running off the road when 429 00:16:54,072 --> 00:16:56,979 Cook revealed that Cam had grown in increasingly 430 00:16:57,594 --> 00:16:59,106 suspicious of Pamela Miller. 431 00:16:59,744 --> 00:17:03,486 Cam decides to take Pamela with him because 432 00:17:03,486 --> 00:17:04,522 she'd seen too much. 433 00:17:05,173 --> 00:17:07,242 And they went to a hotel out in 434 00:17:07,242 --> 00:17:07,640 irving, 435 00:17:08,435 --> 00:17:09,629 out near the airport. 436 00:17:10,424 --> 00:17:11,299 When they got there, 437 00:17:12,429 --> 00:17:14,829 Cam was trying to make another drug deal 438 00:17:14,829 --> 00:17:16,829 to make a sale of a quantity. 439 00:17:17,309 --> 00:17:17,809 And 440 00:17:18,190 --> 00:17:20,130 he met with a guy named Michaels 441 00:17:20,509 --> 00:17:22,919 at a hotel there In Dallas, I wanna 442 00:17:22,919 --> 00:17:24,454 say, may have been Ana, 443 00:17:25,069 --> 00:17:27,298 and they took Pamela Miller with them. 444 00:17:28,572 --> 00:17:29,767 Well, when they got there, 445 00:17:30,656 --> 00:17:32,006 Pamela had a lot to drink, 446 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,809 and she said something to 447 00:17:35,421 --> 00:17:37,326 the guy Michaels who was there to buy 448 00:17:37,326 --> 00:17:37,985 the drugs 449 00:17:38,453 --> 00:17:40,678 I've seen seen you a baby dolls where 450 00:17:40,757 --> 00:17:41,314 I dance. 451 00:17:42,028 --> 00:17:43,697 And Michael started getting nervous, 452 00:17:44,412 --> 00:17:46,740 and he excused himself to use the restroom 453 00:17:47,209 --> 00:17:48,967 and he slipped out the back door never 454 00:17:48,967 --> 00:17:49,527 came back. 455 00:17:50,326 --> 00:17:50,725 Well, 456 00:17:51,285 --> 00:17:53,282 this scent cam through the roof, 457 00:17:53,922 --> 00:17:55,974 and he dragged her out to the car 458 00:17:56,173 --> 00:17:57,917 soon as he got in the car, he 459 00:17:57,917 --> 00:18:00,693 started punching owner her. And of course, she 460 00:18:00,693 --> 00:18:04,753 made derogatory comments to him about is mask 461 00:18:04,753 --> 00:18:07,531 lack of mac masculinity entity, which made him 462 00:18:07,531 --> 00:18:08,166 even matter. 463 00:18:09,198 --> 00:18:09,698 So 464 00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:12,554 they drove to the back to the hotel, 465 00:18:12,875 --> 00:18:14,315 they picked up David Cook, 466 00:18:15,035 --> 00:18:16,494 and Cam started 467 00:18:16,954 --> 00:18:17,755 str her, 468 00:18:18,794 --> 00:18:20,154 in the back backseat of the car. 469 00:18:21,210 --> 00:18:21,950 And then 470 00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:24,089 when he thought she was dead, he got 471 00:18:24,089 --> 00:18:24,890 in the front seat, 472 00:18:25,609 --> 00:18:26,570 and Stanley said, 473 00:18:27,769 --> 00:18:29,450 Gin, I think she's still alive. 474 00:18:30,263 --> 00:18:32,017 So they pulled her out of the car, 475 00:18:32,734 --> 00:18:34,669 slammed her on the side of the road 476 00:18:35,125 --> 00:18:37,357 and had cooked drive over a couple of 477 00:18:37,357 --> 00:18:37,596 times. 478 00:18:39,286 --> 00:18:40,961 Threw in the back in the car. 479 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:44,550 Stanley said, I think she's still alive. So 480 00:18:44,550 --> 00:18:46,225 little farther down the road, they pulled her 481 00:18:46,225 --> 00:18:47,820 out, ran her over again. 482 00:18:48,790 --> 00:18:50,483 Then they drove down to Steven 483 00:18:51,414 --> 00:18:54,197 where David Cook had an apartment, and they 484 00:18:54,197 --> 00:18:55,549 stuck her in a barrel. 485 00:18:56,917 --> 00:18:57,417 And 486 00:18:57,794 --> 00:18:59,149 left her there for a couple of days, 487 00:18:59,946 --> 00:19:01,164 then they had 488 00:19:02,019 --> 00:19:04,411 David Cook call his friend, Steve Smith. 489 00:19:05,381 --> 00:19:07,685 And told Steve Smith to go rent a 490 00:19:07,685 --> 00:19:08,321 tree altar, 491 00:19:08,877 --> 00:19:09,910 come to Steven Bill. 492 00:19:10,943 --> 00:19:13,010 And when Smith got to Steven, 493 00:19:14,137 --> 00:19:15,012 Spencer Stanley, 494 00:19:15,887 --> 00:19:16,524 David Cook, 495 00:19:17,478 --> 00:19:19,331 Steve Smith drove out 496 00:19:19,865 --> 00:19:20,365 to 497 00:19:20,994 --> 00:19:22,750 David Cook family's ranch, 498 00:19:23,308 --> 00:19:25,644 way out in a remote area of Steven. 499 00:19:26,740 --> 00:19:28,516 And Steve Smith just kinda 500 00:19:29,625 --> 00:19:31,216 sat back over to the side. He didn't 501 00:19:31,216 --> 00:19:33,365 want any part of this, but he was 502 00:19:33,365 --> 00:19:34,319 pretty well stuck. 503 00:19:35,433 --> 00:19:38,002 They then dumped Evelyn out of the 504 00:19:38,314 --> 00:19:38,634 barrel. 505 00:19:39,593 --> 00:19:39,912 They 506 00:19:40,871 --> 00:19:43,427 Spencer Stanley commenced to chop her up with 507 00:19:43,427 --> 00:19:43,907 an axe, 508 00:19:44,546 --> 00:19:46,872 and then feed the body parts through the 509 00:19:46,872 --> 00:19:49,896 tree mulch and sprayed it into the wood 510 00:19:49,896 --> 00:19:50,294 area. 511 00:19:51,646 --> 00:19:53,874 They're in a remote area of the ranch. 512 00:19:54,764 --> 00:19:57,159 And then they took the tree altar to 513 00:19:57,159 --> 00:19:59,394 a car wash, ran it through the car 514 00:19:59,394 --> 00:19:59,634 wash, 515 00:20:00,272 --> 00:20:02,667 spray washed it through the inside, and then 516 00:20:02,667 --> 00:20:04,996 had Steve Smith. Return it to the rental 517 00:20:04,996 --> 00:20:05,235 place. 518 00:20:05,953 --> 00:20:09,064 Bailey escorted cooked to his mother's ranch located 519 00:20:09,143 --> 00:20:12,493 West of Fort Worth, where she willingly consented 520 00:20:12,493 --> 00:20:14,104 to a search of the prop pretty. 521 00:20:14,903 --> 00:20:17,061 Without even getting down and digging around, 522 00:20:17,620 --> 00:20:20,757 we found them pieces of bone chip 523 00:20:21,696 --> 00:20:22,196 with 524 00:20:23,306 --> 00:20:26,080 notches through it. That obviously had been through 525 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,824 a grinder of some sort. 526 00:20:28,458 --> 00:20:30,122 And we said, well, this is a spot. 527 00:20:30,693 --> 00:20:32,600 But we'll have to come do a a 528 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,473 thorough search. 529 00:20:34,189 --> 00:20:35,857 So we came back a couple of days 530 00:20:35,857 --> 00:20:36,175 later. 531 00:20:36,970 --> 00:20:39,059 We took the area, and we grid 532 00:20:39,369 --> 00:20:42,250 it off into 20 foot by 20 foot 533 00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:42,570 squares, 534 00:20:43,210 --> 00:20:45,390 and we put an agent in each square 535 00:20:45,609 --> 00:20:46,545 with a pair of 536 00:20:47,064 --> 00:20:47,884 grass clippers 537 00:20:48,263 --> 00:20:50,920 and a trial, and they went through 538 00:20:51,539 --> 00:20:52,498 line by line, 539 00:20:54,256 --> 00:20:55,295 digging through the grass. 540 00:20:56,507 --> 00:20:58,019 Until they could pick up bone chips. 541 00:20:59,054 --> 00:21:01,680 We picked up pieces of tissue that were 542 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,374 hanging in the trees 543 00:21:04,321 --> 00:21:06,254 that had been hanging there since 544 00:21:06,948 --> 00:21:08,244 this happened in 545 00:21:09,495 --> 00:21:09,813 June. 546 00:21:10,848 --> 00:21:12,997 So there'd been no rain, so it pretty 547 00:21:12,997 --> 00:21:14,230 much the 548 00:21:15,090 --> 00:21:17,090 tissue had dried and was just hanging in 549 00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:18,769 the trees, we were able to take that 550 00:21:18,769 --> 00:21:19,009 out. 551 00:21:19,570 --> 00:21:21,509 We found a piece of a jaw bone 552 00:21:22,142 --> 00:21:24,529 with some teeth seal in it, which would 553 00:21:24,529 --> 00:21:25,723 help in identification. 554 00:21:26,758 --> 00:21:30,520 Bailey successfully apprehended all of C acc. 555 00:21:31,389 --> 00:21:34,503 It was a motley crew, particularly David Cook, 556 00:21:34,902 --> 00:21:37,078 the criminal who struck a deal with prosecutors 557 00:21:37,537 --> 00:21:40,171 to expose the full extent of the crimes. 558 00:21:41,859 --> 00:21:43,845 David Cook was the 1 that purchased the 559 00:21:44,004 --> 00:21:44,560 Mac tens. 560 00:21:45,673 --> 00:21:47,762 He was he was a sadistic 561 00:21:48,374 --> 00:21:49,669 individual. We found out 562 00:21:50,299 --> 00:21:50,859 later on, 563 00:21:51,660 --> 00:21:52,799 he actually 564 00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:54,799 tortured animals, 565 00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:56,400 which 566 00:21:57,194 --> 00:21:58,949 Showed was pretty sadistic. Mh. 567 00:21:59,667 --> 00:22:00,406 There was 568 00:22:00,944 --> 00:22:03,438 there was a story that he had actually 569 00:22:03,656 --> 00:22:04,156 taken 570 00:22:04,548 --> 00:22:06,693 a litter of kittens and buried them up 571 00:22:06,693 --> 00:22:08,917 to their neck and then run over them 572 00:22:08,917 --> 00:22:09,870 with a lawn mower. 573 00:22:11,141 --> 00:22:13,445 He was any tortured dogs. 574 00:22:14,970 --> 00:22:16,559 He was he was pretty sadistic. 575 00:22:17,195 --> 00:22:18,172 Spencer Stanley 576 00:22:18,785 --> 00:22:19,285 was 577 00:22:19,818 --> 00:22:20,715 he was just 578 00:22:21,090 --> 00:22:21,590 very 579 00:22:22,202 --> 00:22:24,545 uncontrollable. I mean, very hyper 580 00:22:24,998 --> 00:22:25,157 individual. 581 00:22:25,951 --> 00:22:28,572 Eddie Blaine cummings was basically just a punk. 582 00:22:29,446 --> 00:22:32,328 Larry Merrill just got wrapped up in this 583 00:22:32,464 --> 00:22:32,623 situation. 584 00:22:33,274 --> 00:22:34,573 Didn't... He was 585 00:22:35,032 --> 00:22:38,309 kinda light using the marijuana, he hung out 586 00:22:38,309 --> 00:22:40,866 for the drugs. But once he realized what 587 00:22:40,866 --> 00:22:41,665 he got into, 588 00:22:42,239 --> 00:22:43,118 he got out of there. 589 00:22:45,196 --> 00:22:46,315 Eddie Blaine cummings. 590 00:22:47,034 --> 00:22:49,272 Like I said was a punk, but he 591 00:22:49,272 --> 00:22:51,761 really did not and get involved in any 592 00:22:51,761 --> 00:22:52,476 of the murders. 593 00:22:56,923 --> 00:23:00,123 Fbi special agent Ta bailey discovered that Cam 594 00:23:00,259 --> 00:23:01,726 had fled to Mexico. 595 00:23:02,653 --> 00:23:06,140 The Mexican government declared it would require military 596 00:23:06,140 --> 00:23:07,591 action to capture Cam 597 00:23:08,772 --> 00:23:11,158 effectively rendering him untouchable. 598 00:23:12,431 --> 00:23:14,738 Meanwhile, Dallas County Sheriff's intelligence agents, 599 00:23:15,868 --> 00:23:18,742 intercepted a letter from Cam to a Jamaican 600 00:23:18,742 --> 00:23:19,300 drug dealer, 601 00:23:20,019 --> 00:23:23,313 solicit listening ahead on David Cook, the Fbi 602 00:23:23,371 --> 00:23:23,770 inform. 603 00:23:25,304 --> 00:23:26,904 Determined to bring Cam back, 604 00:23:27,544 --> 00:23:30,904 bailey devised several schemes to lure him across 605 00:23:30,904 --> 00:23:31,464 the border. 606 00:23:32,596 --> 00:23:35,850 A breakthrough came when a Dea inform managed 607 00:23:35,850 --> 00:23:37,223 to in ent Cam. 608 00:23:38,152 --> 00:23:40,851 The inform boasted about his connections with mob. 609 00:23:41,104 --> 00:23:42,639 Figures in Kansas City 610 00:23:43,016 --> 00:23:46,361 and mentioned that organized crime associates were interested 611 00:23:46,361 --> 00:23:47,180 in purchasing 612 00:23:47,874 --> 00:23:49,547 10 tons of marijuana. 613 00:23:50,105 --> 00:23:52,674 Figures At the time, Marijuana wholesale price on 614 00:23:52,674 --> 00:23:55,388 the border was about 300 dollars a pound 615 00:23:55,388 --> 00:23:58,023 making it a potential 6000000 616 00:23:58,023 --> 00:23:58,661 dollar deal. 617 00:24:00,192 --> 00:24:03,723 Anticipating that Cam would verify the inform credibility. 618 00:24:04,579 --> 00:24:06,515 Bailey contacted 1 of his own 619 00:24:06,892 --> 00:24:09,365 confidential sources within the Mexican drug trade. 620 00:24:10,179 --> 00:24:12,896 He alerted the source that Cam might call 621 00:24:12,896 --> 00:24:13,396 for 622 00:24:13,775 --> 00:24:13,935 verification. 623 00:24:14,654 --> 00:24:17,770 When Cam did, Bailey source assured him he 624 00:24:17,770 --> 00:24:20,042 was dealing with legitimate contacts. 625 00:24:21,376 --> 00:24:25,466 Bailey source reinforced the inform credibility by emphasizing 626 00:24:25,683 --> 00:24:26,742 his connections 627 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,656 and financial backing 628 00:24:29,763 --> 00:24:32,866 Despite the setup, Cam still hesitate to come 629 00:24:32,866 --> 00:24:33,661 across the border. 630 00:24:34,377 --> 00:24:37,363 To sweet the deal, The inform offered Cam 631 00:24:37,582 --> 00:24:38,780 100000 632 00:24:38,780 --> 00:24:40,218 dollars in earnest money, 633 00:24:40,777 --> 00:24:44,323 which he could personally collect in Mca, Texas 634 00:24:44,778 --> 00:24:46,528 just across the Rio grande. 635 00:24:47,323 --> 00:24:48,596 Cam took the bait. 636 00:24:50,919 --> 00:24:52,135 So we set up 637 00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:55,318 a hundred thousand dollar 638 00:24:56,171 --> 00:24:56,888 advanced payment, 639 00:24:57,778 --> 00:24:58,652 on a drug deal. 640 00:24:59,288 --> 00:25:00,957 That would take place in Mc. 641 00:25:01,354 --> 00:25:04,080 You'd come across the border as a tourist 642 00:25:04,852 --> 00:25:06,305 carrying a bottle of tequila 643 00:25:07,015 --> 00:25:07,515 and 644 00:25:08,134 --> 00:25:09,174 meet with the inform, 645 00:25:11,255 --> 00:25:12,134 with the drug dealer, 646 00:25:13,095 --> 00:25:15,108 in a hotel there in mc allen and 647 00:25:15,108 --> 00:25:16,622 then he could go back and set it 648 00:25:16,622 --> 00:25:16,781 up. 649 00:25:17,817 --> 00:25:20,207 So the inform gave him a set of 650 00:25:20,207 --> 00:25:20,526 clothes, 651 00:25:21,561 --> 00:25:22,460 pair of white 652 00:25:22,916 --> 00:25:23,314 shorts, 653 00:25:25,242 --> 00:25:27,713 turquoise blue and white, C Loafers, 654 00:25:29,467 --> 00:25:30,265 Hawaiian shirt, 655 00:25:30,982 --> 00:25:32,736 and a hat. I never forget. 656 00:25:33,788 --> 00:25:35,780 Blue and white hat to match the C 657 00:25:35,780 --> 00:25:37,055 loafers that said, 658 00:25:37,852 --> 00:25:40,163 beauty is skin deep, but ugly goes to 659 00:25:40,163 --> 00:25:40,482 the bone. 660 00:25:41,772 --> 00:25:44,085 So you gave him those clothes. He said 661 00:25:44,085 --> 00:25:46,159 that way you we'll recognize you when you 662 00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:46,718 come across. 663 00:25:47,435 --> 00:25:49,031 So we set up this deal that we're 664 00:25:49,031 --> 00:25:51,046 gonna give him a hundred thousand dollar 665 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,476 advance of money. 666 00:25:53,674 --> 00:25:56,068 So he's coming across the bridge. We set 667 00:25:56,068 --> 00:25:58,942 up with Fbi agents and Dea agents in 668 00:25:58,942 --> 00:25:59,580 plain clothes, 669 00:26:00,947 --> 00:26:02,455 all around the the bridge, 670 00:26:03,725 --> 00:26:04,519 watching flooring. 671 00:26:05,312 --> 00:26:07,876 And pretty soon we seem him coming across 672 00:26:07,932 --> 00:26:08,408 the bridge, 673 00:26:08,979 --> 00:26:11,549 and 1 of the D agent says 674 00:26:12,005 --> 00:26:13,200 he's on the bridge now. 675 00:26:13,996 --> 00:26:15,668 And I and I said over the radio. 676 00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:17,022 Are you sure that's him. 677 00:26:17,753 --> 00:26:20,217 He said, yeah. He's wearing those goofy clothes, 678 00:26:20,535 --> 00:26:21,648 the inform gave him. 679 00:26:22,681 --> 00:26:24,986 So I said, okay, let him get across. 680 00:26:25,463 --> 00:26:28,447 So we had a plan. Of 3 different 681 00:26:28,746 --> 00:26:29,624 stop locations. 682 00:26:31,061 --> 00:26:32,817 The first 1 being to try to get 683 00:26:32,817 --> 00:26:34,972 him as soon as he stepped on the 684 00:26:35,212 --> 00:26:36,031 Us soil 685 00:26:37,061 --> 00:26:39,132 but if we couldn't get him without the 686 00:26:39,132 --> 00:26:41,441 chance of him running back, we'd let him 687 00:26:41,441 --> 00:26:43,590 go to the next spot, which would be 688 00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:44,466 the parking lot. 689 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,671 And if we couldn't positively grab him in 690 00:26:47,671 --> 00:26:50,064 the parking lot, we grabbed him at the 691 00:26:50,064 --> 00:26:52,377 hotel. But as it turned out, as soon 692 00:26:52,377 --> 00:26:54,211 as he came across the bridge, 693 00:26:55,102 --> 00:26:57,032 the Dea and Fbi agents 694 00:26:58,120 --> 00:26:59,152 close off the bridge, 695 00:26:59,867 --> 00:27:00,684 grabbed him 696 00:27:01,058 --> 00:27:02,011 told him that they were, 697 00:27:02,884 --> 00:27:03,678 border patrol, 698 00:27:04,329 --> 00:27:06,188 and that they thought he was an illegal 699 00:27:06,327 --> 00:27:07,925 immigrant. Where's is his Id? 700 00:27:09,044 --> 00:27:10,643 He said, well, I don't have my Id. 701 00:27:11,042 --> 00:27:12,880 I just went across to get a bottle 702 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,284 of tequila Here it is. My name's Thomas, 703 00:27:15,443 --> 00:27:15,943 Sanchez. 704 00:27:16,874 --> 00:27:18,066 They say said, well, we think you're an 705 00:27:18,066 --> 00:27:19,020 the illegal immigrant. 706 00:27:20,212 --> 00:27:22,040 We're gonna have to take your prints to 707 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:22,778 make sure 708 00:27:23,089 --> 00:27:24,445 you are a Us citizen. 709 00:27:25,164 --> 00:27:27,079 So they take him down to border patrol, 710 00:27:27,318 --> 00:27:28,595 and they put him in the lock up. 711 00:27:29,632 --> 00:27:30,805 At this time, I 712 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:32,920 my blood pressure's pumping. 713 00:27:33,478 --> 00:27:35,075 I waited about 2 hours, 714 00:27:35,713 --> 00:27:38,028 2 or 3 hours because we wanted to 715 00:27:38,028 --> 00:27:39,246 make it look like, 716 00:27:39,797 --> 00:27:41,543 he hadn't been set up because we didn't 717 00:27:41,543 --> 00:27:43,527 wanna burn Dea foreman. 718 00:27:44,242 --> 00:27:45,829 So waited about 2 or 3 hours. 719 00:27:46,861 --> 00:27:47,893 I walked into, 720 00:27:49,497 --> 00:27:52,120 cell block with his fingerprint cards. 721 00:27:53,074 --> 00:27:53,630 And I said, 722 00:27:55,458 --> 00:27:58,574 Tomas, I'm I'm Ta Bailey, from the Fbi. 723 00:27:59,131 --> 00:28:00,562 I think you know who I am. 724 00:28:01,915 --> 00:28:03,744 So no, I don't know. I don't never 725 00:28:03,744 --> 00:28:05,588 heard of you which I knew he did. 726 00:28:05,747 --> 00:28:07,018 Mh. Because I knew he got it from 727 00:28:07,097 --> 00:28:09,084 Wanda. Yeah. I says, well, 728 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,676 u, your fingerprints came back, and they say 729 00:28:12,676 --> 00:28:14,051 that your genome Cam, 730 00:28:14,982 --> 00:28:16,653 and I pulled out his mug shot, and 731 00:28:16,732 --> 00:28:18,482 I said, and that's you right, 732 00:28:19,852 --> 00:28:22,084 And he said, I guess so think prince 733 00:28:22,084 --> 00:28:22,722 must be right. 734 00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:25,353 I says, well, I have a warrant for 735 00:28:25,353 --> 00:28:27,107 you for murder and kidnapping. 736 00:28:28,237 --> 00:28:28,635 And said, 737 00:28:29,271 --> 00:28:30,146 well, it must be. 738 00:28:31,817 --> 00:28:33,885 I says, well, we're taking you back to 739 00:28:34,044 --> 00:28:34,362 Dallas. 740 00:28:35,966 --> 00:28:37,316 I don't have anything to say. 741 00:28:38,031 --> 00:28:38,746 I said, okay. 742 00:28:39,461 --> 00:28:40,970 As we're flying up to Dallas, 743 00:28:42,082 --> 00:28:44,146 we go through some kinda turbulent, 744 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,099 Whether I'm sitting through directly across from him, 745 00:28:47,575 --> 00:28:49,957 and I just keep staring adding the whole 746 00:28:49,957 --> 00:28:52,180 time, just looking at me. Why do you 747 00:28:52,180 --> 00:28:52,895 keep looking at me? 748 00:28:53,784 --> 00:28:55,617 I said, I'm just watching you. 749 00:28:56,733 --> 00:28:59,602 And and he put his head down and 750 00:28:59,602 --> 00:29:01,196 he looked up, and I'd just be staring 751 00:29:01,196 --> 00:29:02,803 at it. Well then we go through some 752 00:29:02,803 --> 00:29:03,303 turbulence 753 00:29:03,758 --> 00:29:06,940 and and this little 6 seater single engine 754 00:29:06,940 --> 00:29:08,372 plane starts bouncing around. 755 00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:10,776 And he says, 756 00:29:11,573 --> 00:29:12,789 are we gonna die 757 00:29:13,564 --> 00:29:15,873 and Tom Porter, the pilot turned and said, 758 00:29:16,351 --> 00:29:17,466 we're not, but you are. 759 00:29:18,438 --> 00:29:20,056 So we landed at Dallas 760 00:29:20,833 --> 00:29:23,647 at Red bird airfield, and 761 00:29:24,025 --> 00:29:26,100 the marshall service are there to meet us. 762 00:29:26,673 --> 00:29:28,023 A marshal service taking, 763 00:29:28,578 --> 00:29:31,278 and he goes before the mag straight in 764 00:29:31,436 --> 00:29:33,739 Dallas, and he goes to the Dallas County 765 00:29:33,739 --> 00:29:33,977 jail, 766 00:29:34,786 --> 00:29:36,851 Now we had made arrangements with the Us 767 00:29:36,851 --> 00:29:37,669 attorney's office 768 00:29:38,201 --> 00:29:41,060 that he would first be tried for capital 769 00:29:41,060 --> 00:29:43,204 murder for killing David Wilbur. 770 00:29:44,413 --> 00:29:46,166 And they would seek the death penalty. 771 00:29:47,281 --> 00:29:47,781 Then 772 00:29:48,557 --> 00:29:51,107 after that, he would be tried in federal 773 00:29:51,107 --> 00:29:51,426 court. 774 00:29:51,918 --> 00:29:54,164 For the kidnapping of Evelyn and Andre. 775 00:29:55,410 --> 00:29:57,657 That way that if the death penalty was 776 00:29:57,712 --> 00:29:58,030 overturned, 777 00:29:58,824 --> 00:30:00,038 He would have the federal 778 00:30:01,142 --> 00:30:02,176 life without parole, 779 00:30:02,732 --> 00:30:04,164 and he would never see the light a 780 00:30:04,164 --> 00:30:04,403 day. 781 00:30:05,437 --> 00:30:07,267 In the spring of 19 90, 782 00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:10,792 Dallas County jury sentenced its gin Cam to 783 00:30:10,792 --> 00:30:14,144 death for the execution style murder of David 784 00:30:14,304 --> 00:30:15,820 Wilbur 2 years earlier. 785 00:30:16,792 --> 00:30:19,976 Wilbur, as you may recall had tragically shown 786 00:30:19,976 --> 00:30:21,965 up at the wrong place at the wrong 787 00:30:21,965 --> 00:30:22,204 time, 788 00:30:23,239 --> 00:30:25,786 interrupting the abduction of Evelyn banks in her 789 00:30:25,786 --> 00:30:27,156 3 year son Andre. 790 00:30:28,432 --> 00:30:31,244 During the 2 week trial held under maximum 791 00:30:31,621 --> 00:30:32,020 security, 792 00:30:32,578 --> 00:30:36,123 the jury heard harrowing testimony for about Cam 793 00:30:36,421 --> 00:30:37,379 brutal crimes. 794 00:30:38,257 --> 00:30:41,071 They learned how he had murdered Pamela Miller 795 00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:43,146 and fe her body into a tree 796 00:30:43,779 --> 00:30:46,256 and how he had ordered the execution of 797 00:30:46,336 --> 00:30:48,334 Evelyn banks at her young son. 798 00:30:49,452 --> 00:30:51,530 Why did the 3 year old have to 799 00:30:51,530 --> 00:30:54,432 die prosecutor Hugh Lucas asked the jurors 800 00:30:55,124 --> 00:30:57,293 before turning to look directly at Cam. 801 00:30:58,065 --> 00:30:59,893 He wasn't going to be an eye witness 802 00:30:59,893 --> 00:31:00,552 to anything. 803 00:31:01,165 --> 00:31:04,450 Prosecutor Addressing the jury, Lucas continued, you at 804 00:31:04,450 --> 00:31:07,881 this point but become conscious of this community. 805 00:31:08,774 --> 00:31:11,248 Lucas call Cam, the bad of the bad, 806 00:31:11,407 --> 00:31:12,684 the mean of the meme. 807 00:31:13,403 --> 00:31:15,957 He asserted if this death penalty was ever 808 00:31:15,957 --> 00:31:16,435 warranted. 809 00:31:17,087 --> 00:31:18,276 This is the case. 810 00:31:19,386 --> 00:31:20,282 Several jurors 811 00:31:20,734 --> 00:31:23,350 visibly shaken after more than 4 hours of 812 00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:24,143 deli declaration. 813 00:31:24,793 --> 00:31:27,735 Set crying as district judge Ron Chapman read 814 00:31:27,735 --> 00:31:28,291 their verdict. 815 00:31:29,166 --> 00:31:31,313 A 35 year old Cam made the sign 816 00:31:31,313 --> 00:31:33,857 of the cross as sheriff's deputies escorted him 817 00:31:33,857 --> 00:31:34,828 out of the courtroom. 818 00:31:35,626 --> 00:31:38,181 There were fears that the cartel might attempt 819 00:31:38,181 --> 00:31:39,160 to help Cam 820 00:31:39,697 --> 00:31:40,017 escape. 821 00:31:41,294 --> 00:31:43,941 The sheriff's office arranged that as soon as 822 00:31:43,941 --> 00:31:45,855 he got the death penalty. 823 00:31:46,731 --> 00:31:48,326 They took him back to the lock up, 824 00:31:49,043 --> 00:31:50,818 they put him in the orange jumpsuit 825 00:31:51,848 --> 00:31:52,645 the handcuffed. 826 00:31:53,442 --> 00:31:56,173 They drove him with a guarded vehicles 827 00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:58,621 out to a airs strip in Me mosquito. 828 00:31:59,114 --> 00:32:01,503 Put him on a Dps plane, and they 829 00:32:01,503 --> 00:32:03,016 flew him straight to Huntsville. 830 00:32:03,653 --> 00:32:04,290 Did Death. 831 00:32:04,847 --> 00:32:07,237 To death row, put him immediately on death 832 00:32:07,237 --> 00:32:09,318 row, so that he would not be in 833 00:32:09,318 --> 00:32:10,509 the Dallas County Jail. 834 00:32:12,098 --> 00:32:15,140 Ta bailey in the Fbi continued hunting Cam 835 00:32:15,514 --> 00:32:16,944 acc Juan Jackson. 836 00:32:17,912 --> 00:32:21,092 The television show unsolved mysteries aired a segment 837 00:32:21,092 --> 00:32:21,808 about the Fugitive, 838 00:32:22,364 --> 00:32:23,579 leading to a breakthrough. 839 00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:26,895 The manager of a soft drink bottling company 840 00:32:26,895 --> 00:32:28,127 and Compton California 841 00:32:29,222 --> 00:32:32,252 recognized Jackson as an employee loading trucks at 842 00:32:32,252 --> 00:32:32,811 his plant. 843 00:32:33,688 --> 00:32:36,080 Coworkers workers knew him as country for his 844 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,535 thick Texas accent and notified the Fbi. 845 00:32:40,575 --> 00:32:43,535 Fbi just quickly moved in an apprehended Jackson, 846 00:32:44,109 --> 00:32:46,418 Bringing him back to Dallas to stand trial 847 00:32:46,418 --> 00:32:47,374 in federal court. 848 00:32:48,329 --> 00:32:51,138 Jackson and Cam were tried in convicted of 849 00:32:51,196 --> 00:32:53,761 kidnapping Evelyn banks, and her 3 year old 850 00:32:53,761 --> 00:32:54,500 son Andre. 851 00:32:55,436 --> 00:32:58,068 This conviction served as an insurance policy, 852 00:32:58,626 --> 00:33:00,780 ensuring that Cam would spend the rest of 853 00:33:00,780 --> 00:33:02,237 his life behind bars 854 00:33:02,867 --> 00:33:05,727 if his death penalty sentence were ever overturned. 855 00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:08,746 In late August 19 98, 856 00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:12,341 exactly 10 years to the day since Ta 857 00:33:12,341 --> 00:33:12,819 bailey, 858 00:33:13,218 --> 00:33:15,770 fellow Fbi agents ex zoom the bodies of 859 00:33:15,930 --> 00:33:17,286 Evelyn and Andre banks. 860 00:33:18,084 --> 00:33:19,940 Cam faced the Texas 861 00:33:20,556 --> 00:33:20,795 execution. 862 00:33:21,922 --> 00:33:24,223 Bailey, and his former boss on the Violent 863 00:33:24,223 --> 00:33:25,888 crime squad, Joe Hers, 864 00:33:26,523 --> 00:33:28,982 and Pamela Miller mother, Mickey Miller. 865 00:33:29,474 --> 00:33:32,667 Were present inside the Huntsville walls unit death 866 00:33:32,667 --> 00:33:33,066 chamber. 867 00:33:34,104 --> 00:33:36,499 Mickey Miller, the mother of the dancer who 868 00:33:36,499 --> 00:33:38,255 had been fed into a tree mulch, 869 00:33:38,909 --> 00:33:41,939 pressed herself against the glass window of the 870 00:33:41,939 --> 00:33:43,933 booth reserve for victim's families. 871 00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:47,761 Cam Leon Ga with his arms outs stretched. 872 00:33:48,573 --> 00:33:50,006 Intravenous tubes inserted. 873 00:33:50,643 --> 00:33:51,280 She chanted, 874 00:33:51,918 --> 00:33:54,227 you're paying. You were finally paying. 875 00:33:54,785 --> 00:33:56,776 Bailey mu under his breath, 876 00:33:57,427 --> 00:33:58,879 suck it up mister Badass. 877 00:33:59,331 --> 00:34:01,395 You're going to be dead in about 5 878 00:34:01,395 --> 00:34:01,792 minutes. 879 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,537 When they brought him in. Pamela his mother 880 00:34:05,616 --> 00:34:08,497 Mickey Miller. She pushed her chair right up 881 00:34:08,711 --> 00:34:10,798 next to the glass. She had her face 882 00:34:11,489 --> 00:34:12,918 right up on the glass. 883 00:34:13,489 --> 00:34:14,785 Looking into the 884 00:34:15,241 --> 00:34:16,675 execution chamber watching. 885 00:34:17,551 --> 00:34:20,418 And Cam came in. He was a little 886 00:34:20,418 --> 00:34:22,432 late coming in because they were having trouble 887 00:34:22,663 --> 00:34:24,489 finding a vein, vein kept rolling. 888 00:34:25,044 --> 00:34:27,822 Finally, they got an Iv in his arm, 889 00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:30,124 and they brought him in. They brought him 890 00:34:30,124 --> 00:34:30,918 in on the Gu, 891 00:34:31,809 --> 00:34:33,567 he strapped down, feet, 892 00:34:34,206 --> 00:34:35,484 waist and arms. 893 00:34:36,044 --> 00:34:38,201 And the 1 arm is out on a 894 00:34:38,201 --> 00:34:38,600 separate. 895 00:34:39,650 --> 00:34:40,150 Arm 896 00:34:40,603 --> 00:34:43,221 and strapped down with Iv in it, and 897 00:34:43,221 --> 00:34:45,284 he's hooked up to the Iv with the 898 00:34:45,284 --> 00:34:46,419 lethal injection 899 00:34:46,969 --> 00:34:49,446 there's a chaplain standing at the foot? The 900 00:34:49,446 --> 00:34:50,266 warden is 901 00:34:50,965 --> 00:34:52,803 at the front at the head of the 902 00:34:52,883 --> 00:34:55,280 Bend asked gin. Do you have any last 903 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:55,780 words 904 00:34:56,333 --> 00:34:58,875 his family was in the room adjacent to 905 00:34:58,875 --> 00:34:59,034 us. 906 00:34:59,987 --> 00:35:01,837 And his words 907 00:35:02,449 --> 00:35:04,275 to his family was, I'll see you on 908 00:35:04,275 --> 00:35:05,069 the other side. 909 00:35:06,038 --> 00:35:07,015 And then they 910 00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:09,775 put the injection of the fluid in, 911 00:35:10,571 --> 00:35:12,797 and you could hear in the next room, 912 00:35:12,956 --> 00:35:15,703 the family, somebody was pounding on the glass 913 00:35:16,002 --> 00:35:16,961 in the next room, 914 00:35:17,521 --> 00:35:20,098 and then you hear him kinda sn 915 00:35:20,637 --> 00:35:21,995 and then he was pronounced dead. 916 00:35:23,763 --> 00:35:25,752 And you're feeling and the feelings of the 917 00:35:25,752 --> 00:35:27,184 to the victim's mother? 918 00:35:27,979 --> 00:35:29,252 I thought he got off easy. 919 00:35:30,702 --> 00:35:33,015 The out the way he did compared to 920 00:35:33,015 --> 00:35:34,531 what his victims had to go through. 921 00:35:35,488 --> 00:35:36,366 After it was over, 922 00:35:37,019 --> 00:35:39,493 we went back to the hotel where Mickey 923 00:35:39,493 --> 00:35:41,966 and Joe and I were staying and Mickey 924 00:35:41,966 --> 00:35:42,206 brought, 925 00:35:42,844 --> 00:35:44,381 broke out a bottle of 926 00:35:45,732 --> 00:35:46,711 sparkling wine 927 00:35:47,169 --> 00:35:49,026 and popped the cork and 928 00:35:49,723 --> 00:35:50,761 a toast to pamela. 929 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,235 What is it about this case that has 930 00:35:53,235 --> 00:35:54,445 stayed with all these years. 931 00:35:56,994 --> 00:35:58,768 The vicious cruel 932 00:35:59,143 --> 00:35:59,541 vicious. 933 00:36:00,258 --> 00:36:01,293 Still gets to you today. 934 00:36:02,505 --> 00:36:02,744 Yeah. 935 00:36:04,025 --> 00:36:04,425 You know, 936 00:36:05,144 --> 00:36:06,905 and what I've saw in my career, 937 00:36:07,545 --> 00:36:08,605 it's unthinkable. 938 00:36:09,224 --> 00:36:10,204 You're just like 939 00:36:10,839 --> 00:36:12,775 How did the person every kit 940 00:36:13,391 --> 00:36:15,864 to be so brave and brute. Yeah. Yeah. 941 00:36:16,182 --> 00:36:19,076 The the description of of what was done 942 00:36:19,134 --> 00:36:20,431 the Pamela Miller 943 00:36:20,823 --> 00:36:22,175 was was really brutal. 944 00:36:23,050 --> 00:36:24,425 And as a side note 945 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:25,380 when 946 00:36:26,152 --> 00:36:28,618 we found out where the molt had been 947 00:36:28,618 --> 00:36:29,118 rented 948 00:36:29,429 --> 00:36:31,906 we sent Chris La out there to get 949 00:36:31,906 --> 00:36:33,743 the mulch so we could bring it in 950 00:36:33,743 --> 00:36:35,820 to have it for a for forensic exam. 951 00:36:36,632 --> 00:36:39,656 And the manager's thought somebody was playing a 952 00:36:39,656 --> 00:36:40,213 joke on it, 953 00:36:41,248 --> 00:36:41,748 and 954 00:36:42,998 --> 00:36:43,158 said, 955 00:36:43,969 --> 00:36:45,730 Yeah. Who's sent to here? This is a 956 00:36:45,730 --> 00:36:46,210 joke cry. 957 00:36:47,570 --> 00:36:49,329 Chris said, no. It's not. He said, 958 00:36:50,449 --> 00:36:52,530 this was used to dispose of a body. 959 00:36:53,024 --> 00:36:55,022 And we need it for a forensic exam, 960 00:36:55,981 --> 00:36:57,500 and the manager says, 961 00:36:58,938 --> 00:37:00,297 okay. I'll give it to you, but would 962 00:37:00,297 --> 00:37:02,135 you give me a subpoena just to cover 963 00:37:02,135 --> 00:37:02,510 me 964 00:37:02,948 --> 00:37:04,224 So we went and gave him a a 965 00:37:04,224 --> 00:37:05,043 subpoena for 966 00:37:05,499 --> 00:37:07,492 that made him happy again and We took 967 00:37:07,492 --> 00:37:09,805 down to our garage and the lab came 968 00:37:09,805 --> 00:37:10,761 out and examined it. 969 00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:14,612 But the brutality of the 970 00:37:15,065 --> 00:37:16,438 disgusting nature of 971 00:37:17,048 --> 00:37:19,682 someone being chopped up and put for a 972 00:37:19,682 --> 00:37:21,822 mulch like that, Was pretty gruesome. 973 00:37:24,121 --> 00:37:26,554 You know, I... Over the years I spoke 974 00:37:26,754 --> 00:37:28,848 into groups and stuff and and I always 975 00:37:28,986 --> 00:37:31,457 talk about evil walks amongst us, and I 976 00:37:31,457 --> 00:37:32,972 have a lot of people don't believe it, 977 00:37:33,211 --> 00:37:34,646 you know, especially academics. 978 00:37:35,539 --> 00:37:37,054 Would you say in your career you saw 979 00:37:37,054 --> 00:37:37,214 it? 980 00:37:38,251 --> 00:37:40,087 There are people that find it hard to 981 00:37:40,087 --> 00:37:42,581 believe, but I think people in law enforcement 982 00:37:42,973 --> 00:37:44,878 they're well aware of it. You see it 983 00:37:44,878 --> 00:37:45,275 every day. 984 00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:46,228 Yeah. 985 00:37:47,022 --> 00:37:48,236 You see it, especially 986 00:37:48,610 --> 00:37:50,992 especially if you're working violent crime cases, you 987 00:37:50,992 --> 00:37:51,626 see it every day. 988 00:37:52,436 --> 00:37:54,024 After all these years are doing you ever 989 00:37:54,024 --> 00:37:55,636 come away with any kind of 990 00:37:56,486 --> 00:37:56,986 explanation 991 00:37:57,439 --> 00:37:59,107 because I tell people I can't explain it. 992 00:37:59,425 --> 00:38:00,163 It just 993 00:38:01,982 --> 00:38:02,221 No. 994 00:38:02,936 --> 00:38:05,084 Just it some people are just pure evil, 995 00:38:05,959 --> 00:38:06,516 pure evil. 996 00:38:07,232 --> 00:38:08,130 And I think 997 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,079 When you look at what's going on in 998 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:11,739 Mexico 999 00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:12,280 today, 1000 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,920 which is where this all originated from, 1001 00:38:16,452 --> 00:38:19,026 and you see the brutality of the cartel 1002 00:38:19,164 --> 00:38:19,563 down there. 1003 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:21,977 I think you can understand 1004 00:38:22,434 --> 00:38:24,987 what we're dealing with here. It's an offs 1005 00:38:24,987 --> 00:38:25,226 shoot. 1006 00:38:25,799 --> 00:38:27,578 Of what's coming out of those cartel 1007 00:38:28,117 --> 00:38:28,677 south of. 1008 00:38:29,556 --> 00:38:32,033 The case of Gin Cam stands as a 1009 00:38:32,033 --> 00:38:35,490 stark reminder of the capacity for human brutality 1010 00:38:36,125 --> 00:38:39,344 and the relentless pursuit of justice by Fbi 1011 00:38:39,405 --> 00:38:39,644 agents. 1012 00:38:40,525 --> 00:38:42,764 It is a testament to the determination of 1013 00:38:42,764 --> 00:38:44,945 the brave men and women in law enforcement 1014 00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:46,960 who fight on our behalf 1015 00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:49,760 and the age o conflict of good 1016 00:38:50,139 --> 00:38:50,940 versus evil. 1017 00:38:52,219 --> 00:38:53,519 This is Robert Rig 1018 00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:54,219 reporting.