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The baby boomers are now getting really old, and there's,
and there's a lot of us, and we're saying, gosh,
I wonder how I protect myself from something like this. Uh,
'cause if Robert worth hundreds of millions of dollars,
couldn't get himself an aspirin, what can I do?
Investigative reporter, Steven Micho,
among the Nation's best spent six years unraveling how an,
an iconic ranch was taken from a dying Texas cowboy,
a ranch where the biggest producing gas well in the United States was struck.
In 2004,
the ranch and his mineral assets have amassed a $750 million
fortune.
But the cowboy who once owned it and his relatives never saw a
penny. It's a case of elder abuse like none other,
according to my guest. Hello,
I'm investigative reporter Robert Riggs,
here with a longtime friend and fellow investigative journalist, Steven Micho.
You may recognize his name in the world of True Crime Micho in
collaboration with Hugh Ainsworth,
another giant of investigative journalism wrote the definitive book about
serial killer Ted Bundy in 1983 titled The Only Living Witness.
In 2019, Netflix premiered a four-part documentary entitled,
conversations With a Killer.
Based on 150 hours of audio recordings of their interviews with Bundy in
prison, they really got into his head. Now,
Micha is back with a fascinating look inside South Texas ranching
royal families. If you ate steak in the 1960s,
it likely came from these ranches.
If you cooked with natural gas in the two thousands,
some of it likely came from there. Sadly,
people close to Texas Cowboy, Robert East, the sole era to all of this,
allegedly took advantage of his simplicity.
He died the lonely death on the iconic ranch.
Stephen Micho has written about this saga in a,
an amazingly detailed investigative book called Robert Story,
a Texas Cowboy's Trouble Life and Horrifying Death,
and Aida was horrifying.
Stephen set the stage for us because this involves two
prominent Texas cattle ranching families, the King Ranch,
which everybody in Texas knows about, and the East Ranch,
which I have to admit I did not know about. Will you give the listeners a,
a history and how massive they are in the roots of these two ranches?
Well, the King Ranch goes back to the middle of the 19th century when
Richard King came down to Texas, became a steam boater,
hooked up with a guy, and made a another, uh, partner,
and made a mountain of money during the Civil War running Steamships
up and down the, uh, Rio Grande River, the Rio Grande. That's,
that's an oxymoron, the Rio Grande.
And when the war was over,
he moved north from the border with Mexico and
bought a huge ranch, which became known as the King Ranch.
And at its fullest extent,
it was 850,000 acres. It was a huge, huge ranch,
and the most famous, you know, ranch probably in the world.
And it was led by King's grandson replaced him
because King died young,
and so did his successor of the Kleberg family.
And the K Bergs have basically run the King Ranch
since the turn of the century, at the turn of the last century.
So the Bergs are, are the one, uh, one family. The other family is that they're,
they were an interesting bunch.
The Easts all came down from Illinois after the Civil War,
and it turned out that they were a farm family,
but it turned out that they had a,
a knack for taking care of cattle, for raising cattle.
And they got started about 1880 and
moved deep into Texas down towards what is now Kingsville,
and founded the King Ranch there. And it was the beginning, I guess,
of an empire. And one of the,
the King Kleberg daughters met a, uh,
young man from the East family, fell in love.
They married and began a ranch together, way down deep,
almost on the Rio Grande River called the San Antonio Viejo.
It was an old land grant that they had purchased,
and by the time they had the ranch to its fullest, fullest extent,
around the time of World War ii,
it was itself 200 and some thousand acres. Plus they had other land as well.
So these were two baronial families, if you will.
And Robert was a member of the East family,
and his mother had married into the Kleberg family. So it was,
um, it, you know, it it was what you would expect among an elite. Right.
And give me a, are you listeners a sense of the scale? Uh, as I recall,
the King Ranch covers an entire county in Texas.
More than that, yeah, because the, the King Ranch,
like a lot of ranches in Texas is not entirely contiguous.
They would, they would start with 10,000 acres and then buy 10,000 acres
somewhere in the area,
but they would not necessarily be contiguous with one another.
They would often that you had to,
needed an easement to go from one part of your ranch to another.
So the King Ranch today,
I think even still has parts of it that are not actually physically connected,
if you will, re real estate wise with, uh, Kingsville,
which is the headquarters.
And these ranches may have started out as cattle, but, uh,
oil and gas was discovered, and that really made them very, very wealthy.
Empires.
Well, you know, it's Robert, the, the whole thing has changed.
You can call them cattle ranches, but you'll find very,
very few of these operations, even the huge ones like the King Ranch,
which is still a giant mm-hmm. , um, they can't make money on,
on cattle. Uh, they, right. And, you know, it's, you know,
in that land, every cow needs about 30 acres.
So the, when you start, when you look at it that way,
the ranches have to be huge.
And it's not a very lucrative business anymore because of competition from like
Brazil. So there's two other ways to make money,
hope that you find minerals on your land,
gas or oil or increasingly these ranches are
devoted to hunting, uh, south Texas deer hunting and bird hunting.
It's famous for it. And the, the, the ranch that in question in, in my book,
the San Antonio Viejo is becoming a hunting ranch
against, I'll emphasize here, the repeated, uh,
wishes of Robert East, the victim in this thing who said, who dies, of course.
And, but before his death says, I don't want any hunting on my ranch.
And that is an issue that we can get into later on. Of course.
Yeah. Let's get into, uh, Robert, his older brother,
who was really the business brains, his sister,
but Robert just it, I'm struck by your book.
He just wanted to be a cowboy on the range. Yeah.
Well, Robert wasn't terribly smart. Um,
he was the second of three children in the family. Uh,
and he, he lived much of his life in his older brother's shadow.
His older brother was a very respected and, and talented, uh,
businessman and cattleman. And there was, as Robert put it,
tension between the two, friction between the two brothers.
And the problem with Robert is, as you just pointed out,
is that all he wanted to do was get in the saddle and go out and ride around
and, and chase cattle. And the only other thing he chased was skirts.
He never, never married, but he had lots of girlfriends,
and he took over the ranch when his older brother died,
s suddenly of a heart attack in the 19 early 1980s. And Robert was,
was not equal to what was given him. Yeah. He could,
he could run a roundup, but he had, he, the business side was,
was a mystery to him. He hated leaving the ranch, and he hated, frankly,
leaving Texas. I, in six years,
I only was able to confirm him actually leaving the ranch once to go to
Las Vegas. And then a certain, on a few occasions,
he would go across the Rio Grande to, uh,
to brothels in north northern Mexico. But that was the extent of his travel.
He did not care about anything but chasing around after cows. And from.
Reading the book, he was an honor, unreal, cuss.
Yes, he was.
And his,
his resistance to knowing anything about the business and his honoring
us, his inability of not having emotional intelligence to deal with other people
seems to me, me to set him up for how he was taken advantage of.
That you detail in the book.
Well, you're correct about that.
Robert was protected because from his earliest days,
he was jealous of his older brother. He was obstreperous, as you say.
And so the family protected him, and they were able to say, okay, Robert,
get on your horse and go out and chase around cows and we'll take care of the
business and that, and that's how we're gonna do it. But he, you know,
I,
I believe he had what's been called second child syndrome that he, you know,
there, his older brother got all of the, all the attention, he got all of the,
all the good, uh, assignments, if you will. And Robert was resentful of that.
And what's important about that for this story is that
that kind of, of, of, again, as I say,
he called it friction carried over after his brother's death.
And there was a lot of ill will in the family going forward about,
well, Robert had a nephew and, and two nieces, his brother's children.
And although Robert had had control of the land,
there was no comedy, if you will. And, and Robert was not a leader.
He was, you know, he was not capable of it. I mean,
if you ask Robert what his favorite dinner was,
he'd say any Whataburger , that was the,
that was the level of his sophistication.
And his nephew appears to be smart Yeah.
Business person and really try, wants to help his uncle.
But his uncle is just so ornery, they can't come to any kind of agreement.
It's just at odds.
Yeah. And there's the,
the part about it was kind of interesting is that Robert wasn't just
Ory, but he was stupid,
and he was susceptible to fast talking attorneys and to a
corrupt foreman who had been raised on the ranch. Robert thought he knew and,
and trusted, but Robert, it was like he had a big target on his back.
He said, you know, cheat me. Uh, in fact,
one of his old vaqueros w was once heard to say that the only deal way to
deal with Robert was to steal from him because of his chip on his shoulder,
because of the fact he wasn't very bright.
And because most importantly is that due to a lot of, of,
of circumstances, he was isolated.
And when the, when the conspirators, if you will, the wolves,
as we call them in the book, found him. He was just, he was an easy target.
He was a target. And they isolated him out on that ranch.
Out in the middle of nowhere, there was enmity with his family.
Robert liked being out there alone. And when he got old and infirm,
they moved in and, and stole his money.
Let's pause for a moment, and when we come back, we'll pick it up from there.
All right. I'm talking with investigative reporter, Steven Micho,
who's written a Robert Story, which, uh,
is really a such an in-depth investigative book of,
of tracking down how, uh,
an infirm old cowboy lost everything he
had. Um.
And very rich as well.
, very rich. So I, I know that, I guess it's around 2000,
the biggest gas well discovery in the,
in the world takes place on that ranch.
They brought in a, well, in 19 or 2004,
that was for a time the most productive gas well in the
United States and possibly the world.
It was just enormously productive for a number of years.
And Robert, at the time,
was probably worth about maybe 10 or $15 million after
the, the well came in.
He measured his wealth in hundreds of millions of dollars. You know, it's,
it's one of the cruel ironies in this story is that had Robert just
been left alone, this cranky old geezer out of the prairie,
I don't think any of these con men would've had any,
wouldn't have been interested in it, because land,
while valuable is a little cumbersome to, to, to steal,
but once all of this cash was coming in,
Robert became a target. And part of the, it wasn't just to steal from Robert,
but it was to keep Robert separated from everybody else,
which contributed mightily to his death, his horrible death.
Do they target him after the discovery of the gas,
or They already moved in before.
It, it already had begun, but the gas was like, wow, you know, we, we,
we thought we might make 10 or 20 million here, but it, well,
the foundation, I'll, I'll jump ahead here to, just to give you a sense of it.
The foundation that grew out of this mess lists assets of
$750 million.
And that that money is almost exclusively gas and oil
receipts. Gas receipts.
My God. And I take it,
Robert and the rest of the family never got a penny of it to speak of.
Well, there was a lot of fighting that went on, but it was, it, it, it,
it really never was about money or, or his, his nephew Mike, uh,
who kinda led the charge,
was only concerned about Robert getting what he wanted, uh,
because it was his ranch. They, the family never really fought about money.
They fought about what, where, you know, we're a ranching family,
and especially with the death of Robert's, Robert's older brother.
And after that, the death of his sister with whom he was, he was very tight.
He was all alone out on that ranch with just his vaqueros isolated from his
family. And the old ways of,
of dealing with one another simply didn't work.
So years went by without them exchanging more than a Christmas card.
I wanna get into how they did it, how they Yeah. Got control. But first,
how did you get on the story? I know it's, it took six years. Six.
Years, yep.
Working on this as a fellow investigative reporter,
I'm really impressed by the documentation and the interviews.
You've got court records,
and I know how long it takes to ferret that stuff out so.
Well, especially if you're dealing in a certain type of courthouse Oh.
Yeah, yeah. No digital. Right. How do you,
how'd you get the first cent of the story?
You may remember, Robert, that back in the eighties,
I co-authored a book called, if You Love Me, you will Do My Will.
I wrote it with my old writing partner, Hugh Ainsworth.
And it was the story of Sarta Kennedy East. Remember that name?
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
Right. Well, SARTA was Robert's aunt,
and back in the 1980s,
she was in her late fifties,
a widow childless and an alcoholic living alone,
isolated in her ranch, which was also huge.
And one day over the hill came a rogue Trappist monk named Brother
Leo, who was out raising money to build new monasteries,
and had been sent to Serta,
who was a Catholic and was sweet talking her out of her fortune,
half a half a billion dollars, first of all,
supposedly to build new monasteries,
but secondly to relieve the suffering of the poor of the world.
And Serta went for it.
And the only thing that went wrong for Brother Elias point of view was that she
died before he could put the last dot on the I and,
and cross on the T. So, uh, Hugh and I did that book,
and I said, okay, now these family, and I have, I've met them all,
and now we don't need, we won't see each other again.
And then this story kind of erupted years later,
and I was strongly urged by people who were familiar with the first story to,
to return to the east family,
because I'd spent so much time learning about them.
And so with the agreement of Mike East,
who survives, uh, I said, okay, I'll do it.
And so that's how it all began.
Well, in 1996, Robert hired a, a ranch hand. Yeah.
Who really came to just exor. He was young, just total control over everything.
Had Robert's health, uh, in mental state already deteriorated,
or was it on the way?
Well, it's interesting,
the answer to this's a little complex because Robert never was particularly
bright.
So you would have trouble figuring if he was having a good day or a bad day.
He spent most of his life in the saddle.
And one of the consequences of it was not only severe bow legs,
but he could barely walk. After all. He had had a number of, of,
of accidents on horseback. He had broken bones.
He had developed various conditions that you run into when you passed 70.
And his health was deteriorating, uh,
his limited ability to think rationally and to think
in his own enlightened self-interest, deteriorated.
And at the end of his life,
as Robert was sort of facing the fact that he was dying or he was going to die,
he only really ever said one or two things about what he wanted for the future.
And he wanted the ranch run the way he had always run it,
which was old fashioned. I mean, for example,
they all use helicopters down in the valley today. Well, he refused to use them.
It was all, everybody had to be down on horseback.
He was backward in that regard.
But the real core of of his existence was he and his
sister loved all of the wild animals that lived on the ranch.
They grew these huge,
huge white-tailed deer ranch was famous for the,
some of the biggest white-tailed deer in the world. And poaching was a problem.
But he had no interest in the gas and oil business.
He didn't want Exxon on his land, and neither did his sister.
So, you know, he was in, in a way,
Robert had really nothing much further to say or to do. He was, he was old,
he was not well, but most importantly, he just was vulnerable.
I've learned a lot about elderly abuse in, of course, of doing this book.
Maybe we can get into that later on. But he just was this huge target.
And elderly abuse is,
is generally a crime of lower middle class to,
to working class families. Robert was immensely wealthy.
He had hundreds of millions of dollars,
and he was kept out on the ranch,
prevented from seeing a doctor prevented from going to the hospital.
So what were basically issues of old age were just allowed to
get better or get worse and worse and worse. And until he died,
a horrible death, as you say.
During this period. Yeah. How do these people really get their claws into him?
Because a foundation is set up and in which the family really
loses control.
Completely.
And he loses control of his wealth. And he was so wealthy,
and yet his health was deteriorating, was kept isolated there.
O other members of the family couldn't even see him.
He could have seen the best doctors in the world.
He could have flown them in. Most of his medical care was really,
really suspect, including a woman who allegedly was a,
a doctor who was gonna live on the ranch and take care of him.
But as we write in the book, there was a,
a real question about her competence or her even her willingness to take care of
him. So it's the steep, ugly irony of him being,
you know,
richer than hell and living basically a hermit's life in bed,
being taken care of by young Mexican, uh, boys, you know,
who were illegals, but they were convenient.
'cause none of them spoke any English. Right. And so there's a, we'll,
we can talk about that a little bit later. 'cause there's one hero in the book,
uh, that we can talk about who was one of these young boys. But go ahead. I.
Well, and meanwhile, there are a lot of people getting rich and what, what,
what, what is the purpose of this foundation? Oh.
Okay. Let go back. 'cause I, I did, yeah. I skipped,
I I skipped part of your question. So,
one of Robert's lawyers in the 1980s cooked up this
idea of doing a foundation. Then Robert's parents' names.
Basically, it was going to be devoted to, uh,
promoting the welfare of wildlife, specifically wildlife,
to coexist with, uh, ranch,
ranch animals on the prairie in South Texas. So it was, uh,
the idea was kind of like the deer and the antelope and the steers
will play sort of thing.
Robert never showed any particular interest in this idea.
He was violently opposed to any program
of, of hunting on his ranch beyond very, very limited hunting.
He didn't like the gas and oil business. And had he had his way,
they never would've drilled and found that well, that, well that they did. He,
he, he opposed it. So what happened was,
you have this isolated old man out on his ranch. You have a, uh,
a series of unscrupulous lawyers and employees.
And one by one they got into his will and rewrote it and
established a foundation called it the East Foundation,
which exists today, uh, most certainly,
although there are no members of the east family connected with it in any way or
ever will be, as far as I can tell, and without anybody knowing it,
because of the isolation.
One document after another was rewritten until at the end
of his life, Robert's nephew, Mike,
aware that his uncle was quite sick, but not how sick,
because he couldn't get to see him end up ha having to sign a document,
transferring control of the estate to these people in exchange
for the chance to finally see his uncle. In his dying days,
he signed, he signed it all the way. Um, four days later, Robert died.
And that was the,
the ranch had then had gone out of the family's control entirely,
and a new regime pursuing goals that Robert,
as we discussed, had no interest in, uh, took over.
And, and the new regime, all of them become full.
All of them. All of 'em. It was the,
the bunch of attorneys and some of the people who had been on the,
the ranch who had enabled some of this to go on,
got new jobs at the foundation, right. That sort of thing. But.
All, all of the young, the cowboys from Mexico that were taking care of him,
they're all basically fired.
Well, everybody got fired when he died. The new management said, look,
we won't hire you illegals anymore,
and we will not even pay you for the work you've done in the two weeks since
Robert died. And, and we have consumed, we have taken over control of the ranch.
They just, uh, these are in some cases,
families that had worked for three or four generations on the ranch.
They just said, you're all gone, you're outta here.
And some of them went back to Mexico.
Others were arrested and deported back to Mexico. And some of them,
Mike East Robert's nephew, was able to absorb into his, his ranch.
It was a massacre.
And you said there is one hero in that group.
This is such a heartbreaking story, Robert. It's, I mean, I, you know, I,
I've been a, a reporter since, you know, since before Dirt, and I'm used to yes,
awful things, but he's, well, you know, Robert's death is, is horrible.
But one of the young men, again, who spoke no English,
put in charge of his care one night, was sleeping in the room next to Robert.
When Robert, this is, uh, Robert at this time is in his mid eighties.
He has a, a, a dream, and he dreams Robert's dreaming that he's,
he's, uh, uh, gathering cattle again.
And he is go gooing and golfing and going out the, and so, uh,
Ramiro,
the young man goes into his room and gets him back into his bed and says, no,
you're, you know, you're fine. You know, and he thinks at the moment, he says,
you know, if he fell out of that crib, that bed,
I would be blamed for it,
because they would say that I was not taking care of him.
So he had the inspiration of starting to,
to audiotape all the conversations. Uh, he had, uh,
he heard or was, uh, privy to around Robert. He had a cell phone,
surreptitiously.
Surreptitiously.
Now, the, the, what made it fairly simple for him is,
is that the Anglos who had taken over control of the ranch
didn't, couldn't tell, uh,
dis disintegrate between one Mexican kid and another.
He was basically like a piece of furniture.
They didn't pay any attention to him. So he could fairly,
fairly easily tape record all of their conversations,
these things that where they were trying to talk Robert into hating his,
his nephew. And as he was doing this, he said, you know,
it's not so much thinking to himself. He says, this is not just to protect me,
but I need proof that what's going on, because he's being, he,
he's basically slowly being murdered.
And it was when Ramiro finally got the tapes to Mike, and,
and Mike listened to him that the spell was broken, if you will.
But as I said, by then, it was too late. All the transfers had been made,
and they basically had to sign everything away just to say goodbye to,
to their uncle.
You quoted in the book someone that said it was their belief that this was at
the least manslaughter as to what happened to Robert.
Were there ever any criminal consequences for anyone? There.
Was an investigation opened in Star County,
which is South Texas. They investigated, but without,
without any witnesses, without anybody be, you know, able to go and, you know,
and to say this or, or, or access to any of the documents at that point.
Uh, and the fact that Mike, in order to see his,
his uncle had signed away his claims to the ranch.
They had nothing to go on. They had nothing. And, and there was,
the investigation was closed,
and there was never anything close to an adjudication.
Nobody was ever charged with anything.
And there have been no consequences whatsoever.
The foundation has, is now thriving as a hunting ranch.
Uh, that's where you go to hunt the big deer in Texas now.
And what do the, uh,
federal filings show about that ranch in terms of the management?
How well paid are they?
Well, the, the,
the c e o earns $490,000 a year.
And the members of the board are com compensated in that,
that range as well. Their, their executive, the total executive,
uh, outlay for last year was in excess of $2 million.
I, I, I can't comment on whether or not they earned that $2 million.
But they specified in the, the,
the documents for the foundation,
the four members of the foundation board of directors work six hours,
I think six hours a month for several hundred thousand dollars a year.
Oh, boy. Have you received any pushback from the people you've exposed,
uh, that in how they took advantage of Robert?
You know, not a word, and I've been a little bit surprised by it,
because this is not me making up a bunch of allegations.
It's all You've read the book. Yes. It's all, it's, the facts are all there.
I mean, much of it is taken directly from their published art, you know,
they're published papers. Right, right, right. And tape recorded conversations,
you know, where, where Romero comes in,
I was concerned early on because the, the foundation or the, uh,
the ranch foreman was under suspicion by various
law enforcement agencies for smuggling immigrants,
smuggling drugs, lots of other Sure. Types of crimes on, on the,
that's border.
And that's center before the cartel works.
Y y well, yeah. And so I, you know, and, and as you know,
south Texas at night is very dark . And there's, and.
Very dangerous.
And very dangerous. And so I, I, you know,
I didn't do any driving by myself after, after, after, uh, sundown.
But as it turned, no, as it turned out, no, I have not been, uh,
I have not been threatened with anything. And I hope to keep it that way. What.
Has this taught you? What have you learned about elder abuse in doing the story?
Well, Robert, you know, since I'm now 75, I, you know,
elder abuse has a little more immediate meaning to me than it has in the years
past.
But I didn't even think about Robert as the victim of elder abuse
until the book was published. And the first response,
I mean the,
the vanguard of the reader response was people worried about elderly
abuse and what had happened to Robert. And I, you know, part of it,
I think maybe Robert, is that the baby boomers are now getting really old.
And there's, and there's a lot of us. And we're saying, gosh,
I wonder how I protect myself from something like this.
'cause if Robert worth hundreds of millions of dollars,
couldn't get himself an aspirin, what can I do?
My first impression as I read it was that it was elder abuse. Yeah. And,
you know, the baby boomers have got all the wealth in the country right now.
Yeah. Yeah. And wow, just, it, to me,
it just signaled that you better not have Robert's personality
of being this old ornery cuss that isolates yourself. 'cause boy, do you,
do you become a target. And I then I wonder with the wealth,
especially the wealth in Texas, how many other cases of this are taking place?
I'm not in a position to extrapolate. Right. But the formula is, is really,
really, really pretty clear. Get an old person who's got a lot of money,
and their mind is, and their mind is, is, is going a little bit,
and they don't have any, you know, they're, for whatever reason,
they've been separated from their families. Mm-hmm. . Um, and it's,
it's easy pickings. You should, you, you, you see in the book, I've,
I've put examples of Robert's handwriting on all these,
these documents that they Oh yeah. Have him sign.
And it starts out being a fairly decent signature. And at the end,
I say in the book, it looks like a drunk an has been walking across the, the,
you've seen him, you've seen him like they're.
Holding his hand. Yeah.
Exactly. Who, well, we know that they held his hand, you know, to do this.
We have witnesses who said that, but it, it was so blatant.
I mean,
all they had to do was play on the schisms that had occurred in the family.
Uh, the natural,
I guess then that's the fact that nobody lives next door to anybody out there.
Everybody's 500 miles from each other,
and you have a recipe for what happened to poor Robert.
In effect, this is, you, you could call it the perfect crime. Yeah.
Do you think they've, have they gotten away with it,
or do you think your book is gonna cause some law enforcement agency to dig in?
Well, we've been contacted, one problem is statute of limitations. Yes.
Which leaves out a lot of things. But there are,
there are issues that can be raised, such as, for instance, in,
in the case of fraud, the clock starts when you discover the fraud,
not when it occurred. I, I really, really doubt that they'll ever,
they'll ever charge anybody with a physical crime.
Although the person to whom you, you, uh,
referred to was Helenita Groves, who is a great, great,
great granddaughter of, the founder of the King Ranch and Robert's cousin.
And she went to see him on his deathbed and said,
your quote is that I've run around and I've seen a lot. And,
and that was at least manslaughter. And Helenita,
who is now deceased, was not given to exaggeration.
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This is Robert Riggs reporting.