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It's, it's a perfect storm, is
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2019 coming up. We literally
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And the last five years, uh,

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the numbers statistically are just gone
literally through the ceiling on road

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rage shootings in the United States.

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An epidemic of road rage,
shootings, alarms Greg Freeman,

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a retired 34 year veteran commander
of the Houston Police Department.

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On average,

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44 people are killed or wounded
on America's highways every month.

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Hello, I'm investigative
reporter Robert Riggs,

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here to take you inside the crime
scene of what has become the wild,

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wild West on the nation's highways.

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Honking at a person who cuts you off in
traffic can get you killed these days.

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Greg Freeman is a retired police captain
who teaches in the College of Criminal

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Justice at Sam Houston State University.

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He has been tracking road rage
violence and joins me to discuss causes

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and how to respond if you are targeted.

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Greg Freeman, thanks for sitting
down to talk to me about road rage.

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When you look at the numbers,
certainly here in Texas,

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it seems there's a better
chance of getting shot in
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a, a fatal accident.

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Uh, unfortunately,
Robert, that's true. Um,

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Texas unfortunately holds
the dubious record of

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having the largest amount
and most statistically, uh,

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highest amount of road rage shootings
in the entire nation. And it is a, uh,

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it is a dark statistical fact for
our state, but it it's, it's real.

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It's out there, unfortunately,
and it does exist.

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And Houston,

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where you worked for so many years as a
police captain leads the, the country.

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Yeah.

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Houston, uh,

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is literally the epicenter of
road rage violence in the entire

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United States. And it's, it's, it's sad,
but it is a sobering fact for our city.

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Well, I, I mean, I've seen
this over and over here in,

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in Dallas where I am of somebody
cuts off somebody in traffic mm-hmm.

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<affirmative>,

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and they're literally these days pulling
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the wild West and shooting at each other.

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Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's
surreal what we see happening.

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And there was a time back in the
day where this would be a, uh,

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very rare event that you would
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this is something that,

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it's literally almost every week
now where somebody gets shot or

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shots are fired,

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or tragically someone is getting
killed in our city or in the state.

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So it's, uh, it has definitely
been an epidemic of violence.

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Well, and I talk to law enforcement around
the country. This has not just Texas.

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It's.

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Everywhere. It's everywhere.

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What's your sense from your
experience, what's driving this?

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There's a lot of research that's
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on truly some of the motivating factors.
And I have my own personal thoughts,

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but I think first and foremost,

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I think the pandemic had a lot to do
with adding stress to our society.

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That is a, that is something
that most researchers and, and,

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and law enforcement will give a general
consensus on just the stressors that

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went along with the pandemic.

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The states that we have seen
statistically that have very,

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and I'll say this very
liberally loose gun laws,

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and I love living in the state
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these states that have looser gun
laws, we have constitutional carry.

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You're going to see an uptick in
road rage shootings for those states

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that have very, very loose gun laws,

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which are less restrictive
for people carrying weaponry.

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And research has shown that when
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they're more prone to use
violence. Unfortunately,

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we have seen this statistically happening.

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Another factor that I can throw out there,

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and this is no condemnation on the
media, but this has been normalized,

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sadly to say almost like school shootings,

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where if this would've
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people would've been shocked the fact
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But when you see it playing out on the
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unfortunately, society gets
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I would throw in my own, um, opinion
on this. There's a lack of deterrence.

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And these people that are engaging in
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through Friday, uh, working 40 hours
a week, productive citizenry. These,

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these are some violent felons
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or people that have very
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explosive temper and road
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psychological makeup, Robert. And so
when you have a lack of deterrence,

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and especially in the criminal justice
system with these weak bail reform laws

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where these people are getting turned
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door, there's, there's no deterrence.

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So if they pulled their
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disrespected infraction that
they feel that comes upon them,

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they're going to resort to
violence. And I would say this,

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we have a term that we
use in criminality or in,

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in the criminal justice world
called the Code of the Street.

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And a lot of these thugs
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and perpetrators and violent criminals
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the Street,

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where they don't believe in calling
the police to handle their own issues.

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They're gonna handle it themselves.

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And respect is a big thing in
their world of criminality.

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We know this to be true. And
if you disrespect someone
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they're gonna act on it.

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And if you cut them off and
it's a very innocent mistake,

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and you accidentally cut them off,

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they perceive that as a great disrespect
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and they're gonna react on that. And
unfortunately, their reaction is, uh,

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is taking a gun and shooting at
you, and that's gonna, that's,

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that's gonna make them feel better to do
away with this disrespect that you just

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gave them.

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So you think this is a, a
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abided, ci citizens, and
they're bumping into the,

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the other element in society?
That's right. It's hair trigger.

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It's, it's a perfect storm, is
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2019 coming up.

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We literally have had an uptick
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the numbers statistically have just gone
literally through the ceiling on road

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rage shootings in the United States.
And it's, it's a combination of factors,

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I think from what we, just, from what
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we see this playing out in a lot
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and lemme just say this, Houston,

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and one of the reasons that I
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we have a lot of people in the city,

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but I think one of the driving factors
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uptick in, uh, these shootings,

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Houston is literally one of the largest
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mileage wise.

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You have a vast amount of
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just like our DWI fatality
rate is extremely high in
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on the road driving very long distances.

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because the time factor of
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and the vast majority of people are there,

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their propensity for violence increases.

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Here's a sample of recent road rage
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A 26 year old man with his two year
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gun and open fire and traffic,

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he wounded another driver and an
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in another car, not
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A 30 year old mother of four children
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men and another car thought
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So how should you respond if you
are targeted by an angry driver?

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Greg Freeman will offer
tips after this message.

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I'm talking with Greg Freeman, a
veteran police officer from the Houston,

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Texas Police Department,

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who is now teaching victim
studies at Sam Houston

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State University in Texas,

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who speaks on policing issues
literally around the globe. Greg,

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on road rage, if somebody
cuts me off on traffic mm-hmm.

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<affirmative> or someone thinks I've cut
them off and they're coming after me,

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what, what should I do? What's
the smart levelheaded thing to do.

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Robert? One thing that we, we
highly advocate to our drivers, uh,

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from a preventative standpoint, take
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if you can wave, like, hey, I'm sorry,
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gesture that you did not mean to do that.

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But the last thing I tell our citizenry
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don't make direct eye contact. Don't get
confrontational. Uh, continue driving.

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Avoid them. If you have to slow down, you
don't want to further exacerbate this,

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this perceived injustice that
they feel that has just happened.

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When I say don't make contact,

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I literally mean don't make eye contact
because that's what they're looking for.

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Let them go. If they get in
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reacting aggressively, call 9 1 1,

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but do not stop your car or pull over
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Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and that's
what what they may be looking for,

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but you don't want to give them a reason
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doing. So avoidance, no eye
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get away from them if you can,
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but don't engage them at all.
Robert is what we were saying.

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And eye contact is a big deal.

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We literally have had citizens
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at a stop sign because
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or someone cut someone else off and
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looked at the other driver
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and he literally pulled out a gun and
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what he has shot them had they
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but we always say avoid con eye contact
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they feel, and it's only
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but they need to call and report it.
Call nine one one, continue driving,

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give the dispatcher a
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especially if there's continually engaging
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I know a state prosecutor here who's
authorized to carry a weapon mm-hmm.

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Who now doesn't in his car
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The road rage going on.

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I don't want something to happen where
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Right. I I need to handle it another
way. That's quite a commentary.

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It, it is. And research
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from what they have done regarding
surveys of, uh, armed motorists.

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And what we have found is that people
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legally carrying a
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will make them more prone to
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rage incident occurs.

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So we see that people that are carrying
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apt to engage with pulling out
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And if it wasn't there, then they
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they're not gonna have a weapon,

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so they're not gonna resort to using
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<affirmative> reflection on that.

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Do you see this just escalating
because it, it's been doubling?

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Yes, unfortunately, we
look at, at the numbers,

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and I pulled out some of
the stats that we had,

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our numbers have literally tripled
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So it is a growing trip that we see
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and I think we collectively as society,

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until we really wrap our arms around
this thing and deescalate and come down

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and stop seeing this as something
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Because there was a time back in the day,

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if we had a minor fender
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we waved at one another. Hey man, I'm
sorry, whatever. And we just drove on.

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But the way that this has
been playing out in the media,

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and it's not the media's fault,

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but it's being reported where
people see this happening every day,

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they're thinking, some
people are thinking, well,

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this is the way that I'm gonna handle it.

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And so until these preventative
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society and the collective
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I think these numbers unfortunately,
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You know, I had a friend who's a
business executive, uh, he was driving,

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I was talking to him on the cell phone,

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and suddenly he's just pounding
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I was like, what's going on? He said,
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Mm-hmm. <affirmative> in
front of me. I said, he blew.

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Are you trying to get shot.

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<Laugh>? Right. You know.

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You, you don't know the state of mind of
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You, all you control is how you react.

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And, and what you just said
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I mention this to my students literally
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issue, and I tell this to everyone
that's listening right now,

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you don't know who is in that
other car. So when a rotor, when a,

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when a traffic infraction occurs and
a citizen decides to flip them off

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or curse at them or blow their
horn or, or, or aggressively dry,

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you don't know who this person is in this
car. And they could be carrying a gun,

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they could be having a psychotic episode,
they could be a violent felon. Uh,

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they could be literally
a criminal that just, uh,

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has engaged in criminal activity
multiple times. So to them,

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you don't know who this
person is. And so you're,

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you're literally risking your life
because this person's gonna pull a gun out

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and they're gonna shoot you, and
there'll be no witness to it at all.

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All people are gonna see is
two cars that got into it,

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and now all of a sudden you've been
shot and your car veers off the road,

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and now we're making a death
notification to your family.

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Freeman says,

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road rage shootings are a very hard
crime to solve because it happens

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very quickly. Unless witnesses
saw the license plate or vehicle,

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he advises, absolutely don't make eye
contact and refrain from gesturing.

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If you show your frustration, it's
going to escalate the situation.

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If you're on a multi lane highway,
move out of the driver's way,

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you could turn off the road to get
away. But Freeman says, don't pull over.

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If you pull over and stop, they're
going to pull over and stop.

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That's what they're wanting
you to do, says Freeman.

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If you do end up in a scenario
where someone approaches your car,

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lock the doors, lay on
the horn and call 9 1 1.

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Don't get out of the car. In closing,

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here's my reporters' recap and
reflections. In these stressful times,

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I practice stoicism.

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It's a philosophy from the Book of
Meditations by Roman Emperor Marcus

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Aurelius. The core principle for me,

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when you don't control what happens,

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the only thing you can
control is how you react.

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You've been listening to the True Crime
Reporter podcast, stay true, stay safe,

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and stay tuned for more stories
from inside the crime. Scene tape.

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This is Robert Riggs reporting.