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Hello,

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Welcome back

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to 2 Dope Teachers and a mic, the

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most dangerous podcast in the schoolhouse,

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the podcast that seeks to remix the conversations

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on race, power, and education here in these

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education streets and beyond. My name is Gerardo

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Munoz. I am your host. Kevin is out

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I'm your philosopher king. I'm your 2021 Colorado

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teacher of the year, and I will forever

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be that thing. So, if anyone is tired

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phenomenal ideas are often phenomenal people and Elena

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that I will feel for the rest of

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a good tribute. I'm actually working on a

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with his ashes.

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but no one has felt it the way

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we feel it. And so it can feel

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me, and I love the check ins. Thank

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you so much to those who,

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have access to me, who have taken the

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opportunity to check-in with me. I never know

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you and I never got to reopen it.

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admired and have her hold space for me,

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the things she talks about is slowing down,

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looking beneath the surface, and sitting in the

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this is some new level stuff. I I

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know Elena is a very deep person. I

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know this has always been within her, but

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this is one of the most

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tangible

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and profound ways

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that I've heard her speak to these things

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in relation to the work.

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I

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so some of the stuff that you're gonna

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see in here in this episode,

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this kind of her own process where

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she has some really beautiful things about the

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writing process,

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and I just love that and how I'd

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how our writing shifts with our identities.

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She talks about 3 b's, behaviors, beliefs and

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being.

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And she talks a lot about moving

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from the technical and transactional, which is so

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much of what happens, especially in the space

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that I work in, to really

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delving into

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a pathway

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that will show us how to be a

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human. And you know that humanization means a

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lot to me in in theory and in

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practice,

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from Paulo Freire's work.

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And I just think this is a really

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great episode. The book is Arise,

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and,

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it's just so timely for so many reasons

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in life.

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You know,

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it's this kind of

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combination of getting into the personal and the

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professional,

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the emotional

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and the technical

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and,

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you know, just all those kinds of things.

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You're gonna learn a little bit about,

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she talks she shares her Spotify for writing.

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There's her organization, Bright Morning. There's actually Spotify

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playlists that she puts out related to a

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bunch of her work. We actually have one

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for Onward, which was the book she talked

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about the last time she was on the

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show.

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So this interview, I'm not I'm not sure

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how I come across in this interview. I

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think it was a little shaky from my

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end, but what's so beautiful is that Elena

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Aguilar continues to show up,

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for us

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and for indirectly for the kids and the

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people that we serve. So welcome to episode

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131,

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Elena

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Aguilar with her book, Arise.

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Hey. What is good, my people? Welcome back

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to 2 dope teachers

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and a microphone.

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It's as if we never left. Actually, it's

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probably a lot like we did leave because

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you have not heard from us in a

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while.

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But we are still out here still doing

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everything we can to try to remix the

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conversation on race, power, and education

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out in these education

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streets.

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As usual, folks,

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we are

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just a little, I was gonna say mom

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and pop or not, we're kind of pop

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and pop, little operation that is just trying

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to bring you the best stories,

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in educational justice, but also

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those that center on the identities and

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of educators of color.

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We hope that you find our podcast to

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Head over to our Patreon page, tudope teachers

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We are, as usual, brought to you

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by Cetera Investors,

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and so we're gonna bring you at the

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break, I'll bring you a little bit of,

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of a breakdown of what Cetera offers you

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in terms of financial planning.

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Yes. Even new teachers even new teachers with

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so little money to kinda play with in

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a lot of our states.

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Alex and Tori do a really great job

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of just helping you plan for the future,

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and so you can focus on your teaching.

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Well, folks,

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I am extremely excited because a few weeks

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ago,

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we were contacted

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and asked if we would like to have

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the

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Elena Aguilar

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on our podcast. Again, now you may remember

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in 2022,

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Elena came on here and talked about some

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of the work that she has been doing.

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She was already blown up then, and now

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if you can, like, blow up and then

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blow up more, like, I feel like that's

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kinda what's happening.

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She's got a brand new book out, her

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8th, called,

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Arise, the Art of Transformational

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Coaching.

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And I'm just so excited

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that you're back with us, Elena. How are

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you?

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I'm doing great. Thank you. It's good to

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be back here, Alberto.

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Yeah. This is awesome.

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So I'm sitting right sorry. I just spilled

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an entire bowl of pumpkin seeds all over

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my,

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desk.

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It's really good. I was I was in

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Washington visiting my sister, and I got these

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pumpkin seeds that are Chilean lime.

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And, oh my gosh, they're so good, and

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now they're all over my table. Do you

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have a snack of choice that you like

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it's like you're always your go to that

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when you're kinda like, I just want a

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little something to munch on. Not gonna have

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a meal, but just a little something I

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can kinda gnaw at.

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Corn tortilla chips.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Do you like them just plain, or do

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you do you do the salsa, or is

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that a lot if you're, like, working or

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doing other things?

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I, yeah, I like them here, there, anywhere.

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Salsa,

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avocado,

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whatever is around yeah. But, yeah, just even

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just plain. Any yeah. Corn, tortillas, whatever is,

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available in that domain.

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Love it. That's awesome. Alright. Well, I I

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will take my attention away from the seeds,

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and we'll kinda get right into it, right

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now. So I was I was kinda sharing

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with you before we started recording that,

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since I moved into my central administration

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role,

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largest school district in my state,

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your books are everywhere. And I have to

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tell you, people, when I when I say,

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oh, yeah, they'll ask me, oh, so are

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you familiar with Elena Aguilara's work? And I'm

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like, I mean, yeah. I'm I'm familiar with,

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like, the writing that she's done. Also had

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her on my podcast, and they're like, what?

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Are you kidding me? I'm like, yeah. You

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know? I know Elena Aguilar somewhat.

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But I've seen your books in your name

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literally everywhere.

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The Art of Coaching Teams has been a

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subject of countless book studies,

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and district wide support frameworks

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in my district, which is just really cool

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to see.

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Wondering how it feels for you

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to have so many people who are studying

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your work and just kinda swearing by it

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and really kind of, you know, taking what

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it is that you're offering and and bringing

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it to educators everywhere.

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The it's there's multiple responses I have to

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that question. Part of it is just kinda

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weird. It's just weird.

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Sometimes when I'm just, like, in my own

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mode,

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sometimes I'm out with my family or I'm

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just, like, hiking on a trail and someone

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recognizes me and says, you know and it's

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so jarring. It's like, who are you talking

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about?

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And on the other hand, it is

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incredibly meaningful and satisfying. This is my 30th

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year of working in education

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this school year starting right now. It's awesome.

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So when I came into

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teaching, I wanted to have impact.

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I wanted to

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you know, I I I just imagine impacting

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kids, and that was my commitment. That's why

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I went in. And so now it just

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feels so good to be at this stage

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and feel like

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I've had impact. I've had impact on kids

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and grown ups, and it feels and I

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feel like I've been so true to myself

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and so aligned to

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what I wanna say and who I wanna

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be. And I started talking about emotions before

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people were warm to the idea when it

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was still a little bristly and uncomfortable to

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talk about. I've always talked about equity and

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race. And, and so I feel like there's

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it's a you know, it's incredible, and I

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feel honored. I feel like I just a

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lot of my books, I just kinda shared

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what I know, what I've experienced, what I've

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learned.

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I also think it's meaningful

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because

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I have been maybe indirectly

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challenging the purveyors of knowledge and where knowledge

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in our field comes from. And so for

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many years,

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the books that I read were written by,

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academics

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and Yeah.

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Researchers,

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and they wrote in a language that I

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did not feel like I could relate to.

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I felt like, were you ever in the

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classroom? Do you even know what a school

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is like?

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And,

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and yet I read them, and I wrote

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my books for the me when I was

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teaching, when I was coaching.

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And so to be able to tell the

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stories I tell and have my work be

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received as credible and authoritative, which it is.

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And I know what I'm talking about, but

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it's

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it's felt like a really good affirmation

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of where we locate knowledge and credibility in

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our world.

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That's so amazing to hear you say because

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I think,

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you know, as as a woman in this

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field in any field, like, I know that

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education tends to have a higher percentage of

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women compared to other fields. But,

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you know, a Spanish surname woman coming in

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and having your ideas, I just think that

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there are so many different things

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that can

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limit you and and just that that desire

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to to,

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to share your voice. And I I think

557
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that's what so many of us are really

558
00:21:39,164 --> 00:21:41,404
looking for. We're looking for impact. How do

559
00:21:41,404 --> 00:21:42,144
we know

560
00:21:42,605 --> 00:21:44,765
that the time that we spent in this

561
00:21:44,765 --> 00:21:45,265
field

562
00:21:46,019 --> 00:21:47,720
is time that had a positive

563
00:21:48,019 --> 00:21:50,519
result. And I imagine it's not always

564
00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:52,660
easy to see or at least maybe I'm

565
00:21:52,660 --> 00:21:54,340
projecting a little bit. Like, now that I'm

566
00:21:54,340 --> 00:21:56,599
not working for student working with students

567
00:21:57,059 --> 00:21:59,325
directly, it's sometimes hard to see, but to

568
00:21:59,325 --> 00:22:01,184
understand that that impact out there

569
00:22:01,644 --> 00:22:02,785
is pretty amazing.

570
00:22:03,805 --> 00:22:05,164
I love the idea that peep that you're

571
00:22:05,164 --> 00:22:06,785
on a hike and people stop you

572
00:22:08,125 --> 00:22:09,505
and recognize you and

573
00:22:10,450 --> 00:22:12,929
must be incredibly weird. Is there some is

574
00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:16,150
what's the most random place that someone has

575
00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:20,630
recognized you, like, that that you're comfortable sharing?

576
00:22:21,009 --> 00:22:23,170
Yeah. I mean, sometimes I'm just like, oh

577
00:22:23,170 --> 00:22:24,609
my god. Who are they talking about? It's

578
00:22:24,609 --> 00:22:25,904
not it's not me. Like, I feel like

579
00:22:25,904 --> 00:22:27,024
when they stop me on a hike, I'm,

580
00:22:27,024 --> 00:22:29,505
like, drenched in sweat and kind of like

581
00:22:29,744 --> 00:22:31,825
Yes. I'm not gonna give you a hug

582
00:22:31,825 --> 00:22:33,825
right now. I just would not be. I

583
00:22:33,825 --> 00:22:37,184
was in a, theater performance, a concert in

584
00:22:37,184 --> 00:22:37,684
Barcelona

585
00:22:38,384 --> 00:22:39,904
maybe 5 or 6 years ago with my

586
00:22:39,904 --> 00:22:40,404
family,

587
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,920
And, that was another place. There was no

588
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,039
air conditioning. It was summer. It was really

589
00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:45,500
hot. It was Of course. Of course.

590
00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:47,480
It's always, like it's always when I'm drenched

591
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,279
in sweat. Someone in the intermission came, like,

592
00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:52,619
running across the you know, was like,

593
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,184
hey. How do you remember me? And he'd

594
00:22:55,184 --> 00:22:57,125
been in a workshop that I had presented.

595
00:22:57,505 --> 00:22:59,984
It's like, okay. Here I am in Barcelona.

596
00:22:59,984 --> 00:23:01,765
So, yeah, I mean, you know, fortunately,

597
00:23:04,625 --> 00:23:07,359
I yep. Nothing has happened yet that has

598
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,000
felt, like, deeply damaging to my reputation. But

599
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,159
who knows what will happen? I mean Yeah.

600
00:23:12,159 --> 00:23:14,720
Well, I I I'm in Colorado. That's a

601
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,220
very,

602
00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:17,220
that that's a high bar

603
00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:19,140
of people interacting inappropriately.

604
00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:20,659
So,

605
00:23:21,305 --> 00:23:23,384
no. But that's that's really kind of awesome.

606
00:23:23,384 --> 00:23:24,585
There's a couple of things that you said

607
00:23:24,585 --> 00:23:26,984
that I just think are so important to

608
00:23:26,984 --> 00:23:28,204
hear. Like, I think,

609
00:23:30,424 --> 00:23:31,785
the first thing for me is, you know,

610
00:23:31,785 --> 00:23:33,305
I think I mentioned to you off air

611
00:23:33,305 --> 00:23:35,404
that I'm in the I'm in the 3rd

612
00:23:35,704 --> 00:23:37,190
year of PhD

613
00:23:37,569 --> 00:23:40,210
work. That kind of academic world that you

614
00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:40,710
referenced

615
00:23:41,009 --> 00:23:43,409
is it's such a weird world. Like, I

616
00:23:43,409 --> 00:23:44,309
feel like

617
00:23:44,609 --> 00:23:46,690
there are so many opportunities for me to

618
00:23:46,690 --> 00:23:47,970
learn and for a lot of us to

619
00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:49,829
learn, and we do need researchers. Right?

620
00:23:50,210 --> 00:23:51,990
But I also think

621
00:23:52,505 --> 00:23:56,365
that the gatekeeping is so strong in these

622
00:23:56,424 --> 00:23:56,924
spaces.

623
00:23:57,465 --> 00:23:59,545
And and I love that it's a challenge

624
00:23:59,545 --> 00:24:01,144
to the purveyors of knowledge. I always wanna

625
00:24:01,144 --> 00:24:03,144
call you doctor Aguilar because you just come

626
00:24:03,144 --> 00:24:05,190
across that way. So it's funny. And your

627
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:08,149
writing is is accessible, and it's clear, but

628
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:09,929
it it is also extremely

629
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:12,710
smart. And so I it's funny that that

630
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:13,210
you

631
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:16,490
are actually challenging traditional ways of knowing,

632
00:24:17,509 --> 00:24:18,809
in your own very

633
00:24:19,224 --> 00:24:21,065
expert way. It looked like you wanted to

634
00:24:21,065 --> 00:24:23,065
say something about that. I don't I we

635
00:24:23,065 --> 00:24:25,784
do need researchers, and I'm I Yeah. Appreciate

636
00:24:25,784 --> 00:24:28,904
what academics bring. And, but it's interesting because

637
00:24:28,904 --> 00:24:30,825
when people do call me doctor, I interrupt

638
00:24:30,825 --> 00:24:32,424
them and I say, I actually don't have

639
00:24:32,424 --> 00:24:33,164
a PhD,

640
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:36,230
and I still want you you know, basically,

641
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:37,589
like, I I want you to call me

642
00:24:37,589 --> 00:24:39,589
Elena because I like even my students, I

643
00:24:39,589 --> 00:24:40,789
ask them to call me by my first

644
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:41,529
name. Wow.

645
00:24:42,069 --> 00:24:43,910
Because I want to it's I'm we're always

646
00:24:43,910 --> 00:24:46,549
navigating power, and I don't need to be

647
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:47,609
seen as an authority

648
00:24:48,025 --> 00:24:49,565
because I had that kind

649
00:24:50,105 --> 00:24:52,265
of education. Not because I don't appreciate it

650
00:24:52,265 --> 00:24:54,505
or think it's valuable, but because I learned

651
00:24:54,505 --> 00:24:57,144
a lot being in the Oakland Public Schools,

652
00:24:57,144 --> 00:25:00,664
and that is valid. And that is authority,

653
00:25:00,664 --> 00:25:02,285
and that's credibility. Just like

654
00:25:02,849 --> 00:25:05,890
we see our students in Oakland as having

655
00:25:05,890 --> 00:25:08,549
all kinds of knowledge and expertise and wisdom

656
00:25:09,329 --> 00:25:09,829
and

657
00:25:10,369 --> 00:25:13,829
yeah. But other people in our hierarchical

658
00:25:14,369 --> 00:25:17,170
racist society don't. And so I'm talking it's

659
00:25:17,170 --> 00:25:18,924
like, yeah. I want to and I and

660
00:25:18,924 --> 00:25:21,085
I stand by what I know and what

661
00:25:21,085 --> 00:25:23,085
I write. And, you know, in the beginning

662
00:25:23,085 --> 00:25:24,525
when I started doing this work, I was

663
00:25:24,525 --> 00:25:25,505
challenged by,

664
00:25:27,005 --> 00:25:29,164
people, particularly central office people would say, like,

665
00:25:29,164 --> 00:25:30,549
you know, well, what is research? Well, where

666
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:31,830
have you you know, what data do you

667
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:34,070
have to prove that? I was like, I

668
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:35,910
do have data that when you talk to

669
00:25:35,910 --> 00:25:39,109
teachers with compassion and curiosity, they are receptive

670
00:25:39,109 --> 00:25:39,769
and open,

671
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:42,795
but I've never had the kind of research

672
00:25:43,355 --> 00:25:46,154
funding or skills or capacity to gather that

673
00:25:46,154 --> 00:25:48,315
data. So take it or leave it, but

674
00:25:48,315 --> 00:25:49,595
I know it works when you talk to

675
00:25:49,595 --> 00:25:50,975
people with kindness and compassion.

676
00:25:51,515 --> 00:25:54,414
Yep. It's it's funny because so, you know,

677
00:25:54,875 --> 00:25:55,195
I've

678
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,320
the district I've worked in for my entire

679
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,299
professional life,

680
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,720
fancies itself a data driven district. But it's

681
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,119
just really interesting because as a researcher, I

682
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,039
I hear these requests, and I'm like, I

683
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:09,224
don't think you know what you're asking for.

684
00:26:09,384 --> 00:26:11,384
And I think that's why your work has

685
00:26:11,384 --> 00:26:11,884
really

686
00:26:12,424 --> 00:26:14,285
caught fire in a lot of these spaces

687
00:26:14,664 --> 00:26:15,164
because

688
00:26:15,865 --> 00:26:18,265
it is something that when people become familiar

689
00:26:18,265 --> 00:26:20,505
with it, they're like, I didn't know that's

690
00:26:20,505 --> 00:26:21,785
what I needed, but now I know that's

691
00:26:21,785 --> 00:26:23,400
what we need in in this place. And

692
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,480
I think that's really powerful. The other thing

693
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,960
I wanna I wanna grab is that you

694
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,820
said something that I thought was really cool.

695
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,180
You said that you just wrote for you,

696
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,440
at various phases. And so now I'm really

697
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,200
curious because I wanna go back and look

698
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,565
and look at the chronology of your books,

699
00:26:40,565 --> 00:26:42,164
and maybe I can trace a little bit

700
00:26:42,164 --> 00:26:43,065
of your evolution.

701
00:26:44,085 --> 00:26:45,065
Who were you

702
00:26:45,444 --> 00:26:47,284
at the time that you started writing books?

703
00:26:47,284 --> 00:26:49,464
This kinda goes into the next question. But

704
00:26:49,524 --> 00:26:51,704
but who is the Elena Aguilar

705
00:26:52,164 --> 00:26:53,944
that you have been writing for?

706
00:26:54,860 --> 00:26:56,240
Thanks for asking that.

707
00:26:59,100 --> 00:26:59,600
So

708
00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:02,140
when I wrote The Art of Coaching, that

709
00:27:02,140 --> 00:27:04,240
was 2012, it came out in 2013,

710
00:27:05,259 --> 00:27:05,759
I

711
00:27:06,299 --> 00:27:08,865
imagined I'd heard this sort of axiom of

712
00:27:08,865 --> 00:27:10,785
write for yourself or write for yourself at

713
00:27:10,785 --> 00:27:12,224
a different phase of your life. So I

714
00:27:12,224 --> 00:27:14,224
wrote the book that I wished I had

715
00:27:14,224 --> 00:27:16,164
had as a beginning coach.

716
00:27:16,865 --> 00:27:19,184
And then each book after that really was,

717
00:27:19,184 --> 00:27:20,545
this is the book I wish I'd had

718
00:27:20,545 --> 00:27:22,865
when I started facilitating teams or when I

719
00:27:22,865 --> 00:27:23,365
started

720
00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:26,980
delivering PD or onward I wrote for myself

721
00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:29,399
at every phase because that was about resilience.

722
00:27:30,339 --> 00:27:33,559
Yeah. I think this last book, Arise,

723
00:27:33,859 --> 00:27:37,000
which is, my 8th book on transformational coaching,

724
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:39,159
it's really different

725
00:27:39,634 --> 00:27:41,894
book than the first ones, and,

726
00:27:42,434 --> 00:27:43,974
writing it was a different experience.

727
00:27:44,514 --> 00:27:46,595
I also got to record the audiobook for

728
00:27:46,595 --> 00:27:48,855
it, which was really fun. Oh, that's awesome.

729
00:27:49,154 --> 00:27:50,674
Yeah. So I so I got to, like,

730
00:27:50,674 --> 00:27:53,279
reread it. That was very recently. So I

731
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,679
read them. I was like, oh, my tone

732
00:27:55,679 --> 00:27:58,159
of voice is so different in this book.

733
00:27:58,159 --> 00:28:00,019
Like, there's so much more authority.

734
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,619
I'm owning what I know. I'm not outsourcing

735
00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:07,304
knowledge by citing other people. I'm saying everything

736
00:28:07,304 --> 00:28:10,045
I think and, like, believe and including

737
00:28:10,585 --> 00:28:14,585
personal anecdotes that I hadn't really shared anywhere

738
00:28:14,585 --> 00:28:15,644
publicly before

739
00:28:17,545 --> 00:28:20,549
and coming out as a major advocate for

740
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:22,970
therapy and all kinds of therapy and, like,

741
00:28:23,509 --> 00:28:23,990
just,

742
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:27,429
just feeling a lot more confident. So when

743
00:28:27,429 --> 00:28:29,349
I wrote the first book, I was really

744
00:28:29,429 --> 00:28:30,950
it I mean, it was appropriate for the

745
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:33,234
time because it was 12 or 15 years

746
00:28:33,234 --> 00:28:33,974
ago, and

747
00:28:34,355 --> 00:28:36,994
it was I was finding not necessarily my

748
00:28:36,994 --> 00:28:39,315
voice as a writer, but as an authority,

749
00:28:39,315 --> 00:28:41,394
as a as a someone with credibility in

750
00:28:41,394 --> 00:28:42,454
the field of coaching.

751
00:28:43,154 --> 00:28:46,390
Yeah. That this that's so great. Like, so

752
00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:48,150
this is hitting me, like, on a couple

753
00:28:48,150 --> 00:28:50,869
of different levels. 1st, I'm struggling to write

754
00:28:50,869 --> 00:28:53,509
and just this idea of writing for yourself

755
00:28:53,509 --> 00:28:55,750
at a different time and just kinda, like,

756
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:57,670
honing in on those things. It's, like, giving

757
00:28:57,670 --> 00:28:59,065
me a lot of ways to, like, overcome

758
00:28:59,065 --> 00:29:00,765
my writer's block. So thank you for that.

759
00:29:01,144 --> 00:29:03,384
And then this piece about owning what you

760
00:29:03,384 --> 00:29:05,945
know, I feel like if my adviser heard

761
00:29:05,945 --> 00:29:07,085
me say that,

762
00:29:07,545 --> 00:29:09,945
she'd lose her mind. But I think that

763
00:29:09,945 --> 00:29:10,765
is so

764
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,799
important because that's another thing that I think

765
00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:14,299
oftentimes.

766
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,180
And again, I I'm an appreciator of academia.

767
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,240
Otherwise, I wouldn't put my time into kinda

768
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,039
building that credential. But I do think that

769
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:23,625
you can go too far with,

770
00:29:24,505 --> 00:29:26,924
what's research based and what kind of underlies

771
00:29:26,984 --> 00:29:28,825
everything you did. What if you just have

772
00:29:28,825 --> 00:29:31,464
ideas that others haven't really talked about at

773
00:29:31,464 --> 00:29:33,085
length or haven't directly

774
00:29:33,785 --> 00:29:35,640
dealt with? And I think that is

775
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,119
kind of this incredible thing. Like, we forget

776
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:40,599
about our own experiential knowledge and why important

777
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,059
and why that's so important.

778
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,000
So it kinda goes into you started talking

779
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,339
about, Arise the Art of Transformational

780
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,220
Coaching.

781
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,779
So this is your 8th book,

782
00:29:52,575 --> 00:29:54,835
I have some really interesting content that,

783
00:29:55,535 --> 00:29:57,954
we'll wanna touch on a little bit.

784
00:29:58,734 --> 00:30:00,894
But first, I just kinda wanna ask you

785
00:30:00,894 --> 00:30:03,795
kind of wannabe writer to actual writer.

786
00:30:04,815 --> 00:30:06,434
How is it that you

787
00:30:06,990 --> 00:30:08,289
do that? What's

788
00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:11,150
what do you see as as your process

789
00:30:11,150 --> 00:30:12,210
or maybe processes

790
00:30:12,670 --> 00:30:16,029
from ideation to actually, like, putting the word

791
00:30:16,029 --> 00:30:17,549
out there maybe in the form of a

792
00:30:17,549 --> 00:30:20,369
submission, and then finding that energy needed,

793
00:30:20,934 --> 00:30:22,555
to write and to do it as impactfully

794
00:30:22,615 --> 00:30:25,195
as you do. Really loaded question, I know.

795
00:30:25,734 --> 00:30:27,815
But kinda how do you what is your

796
00:30:27,815 --> 00:30:30,375
process when it comes to doing this kind

797
00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:30,955
of writing?

798
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:34,700
So

799
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,619
starting with

800
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,359
passion, energy, the fire, where is it? What

801
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:43,099
does it want? I don't know if,

802
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:46,365
so this maybe contradicts what I've said previously,

803
00:30:46,365 --> 00:30:47,964
but sometimes I don't know if my books

804
00:30:47,964 --> 00:30:50,384
are really my books or they are emerging

805
00:30:51,244 --> 00:30:52,224
in a partnership

806
00:30:52,605 --> 00:30:53,984
with some kind of

807
00:30:54,845 --> 00:30:55,345
mystery

808
00:30:55,644 --> 00:30:58,365
force. Like, sometimes they just come and they

809
00:30:58,365 --> 00:31:01,429
just kinda flow through when things click. And,

810
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:04,569
I love writing, and I find myself

811
00:31:04,869 --> 00:31:07,130
experiencing a lot of flow when I write

812
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:09,909
most of the time. Sometimes there is a

813
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:11,849
lot of pain and suffering and struggle,

814
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:15,904
but the generating of ideas often,

815
00:31:16,605 --> 00:31:17,325
I I think

816
00:31:18,045 --> 00:31:19,404
I mean, a lot of ways, it just

817
00:31:19,404 --> 00:31:21,085
goes back to 30 years in this field,

818
00:31:21,085 --> 00:31:22,384
and I know what educators

819
00:31:22,924 --> 00:31:24,365
talk about. I know what they need. I

820
00:31:24,365 --> 00:31:25,884
know what's hard for them. I know what

821
00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:27,244
their pain points are. I know what the

822
00:31:27,244 --> 00:31:29,630
problems are. And so and I know those

823
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:31,950
in myself, and I bring myself in all

824
00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:32,529
the time.

825
00:31:32,910 --> 00:31:35,230
I tell a lot of anecdotes about my

826
00:31:35,230 --> 00:31:37,890
own struggles and how I move through those.

827
00:31:38,349 --> 00:31:38,849
Yeah.

828
00:31:39,390 --> 00:31:41,329
And so I for me, it's often

829
00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:44,825
I have to find the passion, the joy,

830
00:31:44,884 --> 00:31:47,045
the energy, the delight. It has to be

831
00:31:47,045 --> 00:31:48,884
fun, and I do experience a lot of

832
00:31:48,884 --> 00:31:49,785
fun in writing.

833
00:31:50,964 --> 00:31:51,464
I

834
00:31:52,484 --> 00:31:54,565
I the idea is just kind of it's

835
00:31:54,565 --> 00:31:56,529
like they just kind of materialize in front

836
00:31:56,529 --> 00:31:58,490
of me. They kinda show up or they

837
00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:58,990
congeal.

838
00:31:59,529 --> 00:32:01,130
I mean, they're just like, they're there, and

839
00:32:01,130 --> 00:32:02,109
then they're, like,

840
00:32:02,650 --> 00:32:05,529
you know, on a proposal document, and then

841
00:32:05,529 --> 00:32:08,009
I've got an outline. And I just struggle

842
00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:10,934
with creating the time and the,

843
00:32:11,335 --> 00:32:13,255
awareness from all the other work. And so

844
00:32:13,255 --> 00:32:14,055
once I have that

845
00:32:15,575 --> 00:32:17,815
but, you know, it's it it's like I

846
00:32:17,815 --> 00:32:19,575
just find all this energy, and then I

847
00:32:19,575 --> 00:32:20,775
tap into it and lean into it and

848
00:32:20,775 --> 00:32:22,375
let it just kinda move through me.

849
00:32:22,934 --> 00:32:24,509
I do I need big chunks of

850
00:32:25,549 --> 00:32:28,349
time when I can write and let myself

851
00:32:28,349 --> 00:32:30,750
get submerged in it. I don't do well

852
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:32,029
when I have just, like, an hour here

853
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:33,650
and an hour there. Yep.

854
00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:35,089
And so,

855
00:32:35,869 --> 00:32:37,390
I do like to write early in the

856
00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:39,664
morning before the noise of the world kinda

857
00:32:39,664 --> 00:32:42,005
filters in. Yeah. I,

858
00:32:42,785 --> 00:32:44,785
but I I I think for me, the

859
00:32:44,785 --> 00:32:45,605
key is

860
00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:48,384
what I've learned about being in a flow

861
00:32:48,384 --> 00:32:50,945
state and ensuring that I can get into

862
00:32:50,945 --> 00:32:53,125
there and just, like and just write.

863
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:54,330
Yeah.

864
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:56,710
Yeah. That really comes through. And I I

865
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:58,630
would even say that the artwork on the

866
00:32:58,630 --> 00:33:00,950
cover of your books kind of suggest that

867
00:33:00,950 --> 00:33:02,710
kind of flow state because there's there's a

868
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:04,710
certain piece that kinda comes with that and

869
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:06,970
then reading the words. I think that's incredibly

870
00:33:07,964 --> 00:33:10,365
powerful because I think I think it does

871
00:33:10,365 --> 00:33:12,204
feed that this is gonna get kind of

872
00:33:12,204 --> 00:33:14,304
into that that mystery force,

873
00:33:15,164 --> 00:33:17,484
space that you're kind of referring to. But

874
00:33:17,484 --> 00:33:19,505
I think that it is one of those

875
00:33:20,204 --> 00:33:21,265
things that

876
00:33:21,619 --> 00:33:23,460
is it coming purely from you or is

877
00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:25,460
there something else flowing through you? Like, you

878
00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:28,420
use this term flow and what, like, Paulo

879
00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:31,700
Freire always talked about, you know, writing being

880
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:32,840
a human right

881
00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:33,720
because

882
00:33:34,115 --> 00:33:36,595
those who can write and who have the

883
00:33:36,595 --> 00:33:37,575
skill of writing

884
00:33:37,955 --> 00:33:39,975
to the degree that they're confident writing,

885
00:33:40,434 --> 00:33:43,315
they can process the same idea multiple times,

886
00:33:43,315 --> 00:33:44,695
and it gets more

887
00:33:45,075 --> 00:33:48,515
it it gains depth. It gains complexity. It

888
00:33:48,515 --> 00:33:49,015
gains

889
00:33:49,650 --> 00:33:52,130
personality the more you do. It's like, step

890
00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:53,890
1 is you have the idea. Step 2

891
00:33:53,890 --> 00:33:55,570
is you write the idea. Step 3 is

892
00:33:55,570 --> 00:33:57,970
you reread the idea, then you reprocess and

893
00:33:57,970 --> 00:33:58,869
write it again.

894
00:33:59,170 --> 00:33:59,910
And so

895
00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:01,990
in a very real way,

896
00:34:02,634 --> 00:34:04,734
he argues that those who write,

897
00:34:06,315 --> 00:34:09,034
are 4 or 5 times as capable of

898
00:34:09,034 --> 00:34:11,434
of complex thought as as those who don't,

899
00:34:11,434 --> 00:34:13,054
which is why we have to make it,

900
00:34:14,074 --> 00:34:16,175
a human right for everyone.

901
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:18,550
Let's kinda get into

902
00:34:18,849 --> 00:34:20,949
the book just a little bit. Like, so

903
00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:21,909
definitely

904
00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:23,889
don't wanna give too many spoilers, so I

905
00:34:23,889 --> 00:34:24,789
will let you,

906
00:34:25,329 --> 00:34:27,570
like, kind of kind of, have your hand

907
00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:29,454
on the wheel with this one. But, you

908
00:34:29,454 --> 00:34:31,054
know, I because I think there's a few

909
00:34:31,054 --> 00:34:32,734
concepts that I think are gonna be really

910
00:34:32,734 --> 00:34:35,054
interesting for people to think about. I think

911
00:34:35,054 --> 00:34:35,554
the,

912
00:34:36,574 --> 00:34:38,574
I think the first thing and I know

913
00:34:38,574 --> 00:34:40,014
I gave you these 2 in a different

914
00:34:40,014 --> 00:34:41,849
order. But I think the first thing I

915
00:34:41,849 --> 00:34:44,590
I want I wanna hear you talk about

916
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:45,550
is

917
00:34:45,849 --> 00:34:47,150
kind of the racialized

918
00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:50,489
focus that is that is kind of at

919
00:34:50,489 --> 00:34:51,769
the core of a lot of what you're

920
00:34:51,769 --> 00:34:54,410
doing. You mentioned it, at the top about

921
00:34:54,410 --> 00:34:54,910
how,

922
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:56,030
you know,

923
00:34:56,614 --> 00:34:58,795
doing this work in a racist society

924
00:34:59,174 --> 00:35:01,194
has to be kind of focused on intentionally.

925
00:35:01,494 --> 00:35:04,534
Can you talk about why it is that

926
00:35:04,534 --> 00:35:06,934
you are arguing that race needs to be

927
00:35:06,934 --> 00:35:07,434
centered

928
00:35:07,734 --> 00:35:09,594
in coaching, and it needs to feature,

929
00:35:11,010 --> 00:35:11,829
feature prominently

930
00:35:12,449 --> 00:35:14,469
in in the coaching of people.

931
00:35:16,769 --> 00:35:19,030
Sure. I'll I'll start with

932
00:35:19,329 --> 00:35:21,809
myself and my own experience because I think

933
00:35:21,809 --> 00:35:23,750
that's important to make transparent.

934
00:35:24,130 --> 00:35:24,630
And,

935
00:35:25,074 --> 00:35:26,914
again, I am a part of this book,

936
00:35:26,914 --> 00:35:28,695
and I'm a part of my work. And

937
00:35:29,474 --> 00:35:32,295
I, as a Latina woman who was born

938
00:35:32,355 --> 00:35:34,434
in London, England and lived there for 10

939
00:35:34,434 --> 00:35:37,635
years and experienced all kinds of alienation and

940
00:35:37,635 --> 00:35:38,135
racism

941
00:35:38,675 --> 00:35:39,155
Yeah.

942
00:35:39,635 --> 00:35:40,650
As a

943
00:35:41,130 --> 00:35:43,210
woman who is married to a black man

944
00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:45,130
from the South, we have a 20 year

945
00:35:45,130 --> 00:35:45,869
old son.

946
00:35:46,409 --> 00:35:48,989
My lens has always been

947
00:35:49,529 --> 00:35:50,510
race, ethnicity,

948
00:35:51,130 --> 00:35:52,190
racialized identity,

949
00:35:52,489 --> 00:35:55,130
marginalization, dominant power through the lens of race

950
00:35:55,130 --> 00:35:57,364
and class very much as well, and then

951
00:35:57,364 --> 00:35:57,864
gender.

952
00:35:58,405 --> 00:36:00,965
And so, it's just the way that I

953
00:36:00,965 --> 00:36:03,204
see and experience the world since I was

954
00:36:03,204 --> 00:36:05,224
born. Yeah. And so, therefore,

955
00:36:05,525 --> 00:36:08,824
all information, all experience filters through there.

956
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:12,150
When I my own experiences in school,

957
00:36:12,930 --> 00:36:15,989
for many years, I was in schools that

958
00:36:16,050 --> 00:36:18,070
were where I was one of only

959
00:36:18,369 --> 00:36:21,250
a tiny handful of people of color. Yeah.

960
00:36:21,250 --> 00:36:22,070
And so,

961
00:36:22,530 --> 00:36:24,275
you know, being the mother of a black

962
00:36:24,275 --> 00:36:26,594
son going through the public schools and then

963
00:36:26,594 --> 00:36:29,075
private schools, it it's just it's like the

964
00:36:29,075 --> 00:36:31,894
lens is affixed to my consciousness, to my

965
00:36:32,195 --> 00:36:34,594
to my experience, to what I say, write,

966
00:36:34,594 --> 00:36:35,235
and do.

967
00:36:35,875 --> 00:36:38,114
And, of course, once we put that lens

968
00:36:38,114 --> 00:36:40,909
on, we see the way that so much

969
00:36:41,609 --> 00:36:42,109
inequity

970
00:36:42,809 --> 00:36:45,150
has its origins in colonialism

971
00:36:45,449 --> 00:36:46,190
and in,

972
00:36:46,889 --> 00:36:48,809
the the history of the last 500 years

973
00:36:48,809 --> 00:36:49,469
in capitalism.

974
00:36:50,089 --> 00:36:53,130
And so it's just impossible for me to

975
00:36:53,130 --> 00:36:55,804
do any work or see anything without

976
00:36:57,465 --> 00:37:00,925
acknowledging the presence of racism and racial inequities

977
00:37:01,065 --> 00:37:03,085
and without talking about how to do it,

978
00:37:03,385 --> 00:37:06,150
how to how to dismantle it. And I

979
00:37:06,389 --> 00:37:07,449
think that,

980
00:37:08,789 --> 00:37:12,069
my belief is that the overwhelming majority of

981
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:14,170
people want to address

982
00:37:14,549 --> 00:37:15,049
racism

983
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:17,130
and don't know how.

984
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:19,125
And I mean people of color Yeah. I

985
00:37:19,125 --> 00:37:20,105
agree with that.

986
00:37:20,485 --> 00:37:22,244
And and just are like, tell me what

987
00:37:22,244 --> 00:37:22,905
to say.

988
00:37:23,204 --> 00:37:25,445
You know? Help me understand this. Help me

989
00:37:25,445 --> 00:37:27,445
help me respond to the intense emotions that

990
00:37:27,445 --> 00:37:29,045
come up Yeah. For me when we get

991
00:37:29,045 --> 00:37:31,605
into this. So Yeah. It's kinda built into

992
00:37:31,605 --> 00:37:32,070
me.

993
00:37:32,469 --> 00:37:35,690
Yeah. It's it's interesting. I'm smiling because,

994
00:37:37,110 --> 00:37:39,590
you know, my my adviser who despite what

995
00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:40,489
I you know,

996
00:37:40,869 --> 00:37:42,949
my the stress that I'm under in in

997
00:37:42,949 --> 00:37:44,410
my relationship with her,

998
00:37:45,444 --> 00:37:48,025
you know, said something really similar when somebody

999
00:37:48,644 --> 00:37:50,885
posed to her the question, so why is

1000
00:37:50,885 --> 00:37:52,964
it that you identify as a critical race

1001
00:37:52,964 --> 00:37:55,625
theorist? And she's like, I have a choice.

1002
00:37:55,924 --> 00:37:57,844
Like, I didn't have a choice. This has

1003
00:37:57,844 --> 00:37:58,984
been my lived experience

1004
00:37:59,284 --> 00:37:59,784
that

1005
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,539
I adopt this stance because it adopted me.

1006
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:04,500
And

1007
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,360
this has been the world that we're in.

1008
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:07,679
And,

1009
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:11,860
and how we center that is just extremely

1010
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,994
important. I think I think a lot of

1011
00:38:14,234 --> 00:38:16,155
it's interesting. So I so I was flipping

1012
00:38:16,155 --> 00:38:16,655
through,

1013
00:38:17,114 --> 00:38:18,894
notes from our last interview,

1014
00:38:19,434 --> 00:38:21,755
and there was something that you just said.

1015
00:38:21,755 --> 00:38:23,355
Because I think at that time, that was

1016
00:38:23,355 --> 00:38:24,574
in the summer of 22.

1017
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,480
I think at that time, you had started

1018
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,199
work on Arise. I think you because I

1019
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:31,340
have the word Arise,

1020
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,539
written in this notebook right here.

1021
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,019
And there was something that you said

1022
00:38:37,664 --> 00:38:38,164
about

1023
00:38:38,625 --> 00:38:40,405
balancing the inner critic

1024
00:38:40,785 --> 00:38:42,005
versus white supremacy.

1025
00:38:43,184 --> 00:38:45,364
I wanna know where you're at with that

1026
00:38:45,425 --> 00:38:48,465
with that sort of dichotomy that you laid

1027
00:38:48,465 --> 00:38:51,025
out, 2 summers ago when you were talking

1028
00:38:51,025 --> 00:38:51,684
to us.

1029
00:38:54,739 --> 00:38:56,599
Well, I think the inner critic

1030
00:38:57,460 --> 00:38:59,960
has been conditioned by white supremacy.

1031
00:39:00,420 --> 00:39:02,599
Right? I guess that that. Critic. Say that.

1032
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:05,619
Yeah. Just it's like all of our parts

1033
00:39:05,619 --> 00:39:09,295
ourselves. We've we've been socialized into mindsets and

1034
00:39:09,295 --> 00:39:11,775
into dominant culture and into those beliefs. And

1035
00:39:11,775 --> 00:39:13,615
so That's right. The inner critic just reflects

1036
00:39:13,615 --> 00:39:16,015
what it hears elsewhere. So, yeah, it's an

1037
00:39:16,015 --> 00:39:16,515
additional

1038
00:39:16,894 --> 00:39:18,755
element that it needs to

1039
00:39:19,055 --> 00:39:20,755
purge or rid itself of.

1040
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,000
Yeah. That was just great. I I was

1041
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,300
really happy to have found,

1042
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,139
to have found these notes.

1043
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,579
Really cool.

1044
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:29,739
So,

1045
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,659
there's a couple of

1046
00:39:33,335 --> 00:39:35,815
points that you explore fairly deeply in the

1047
00:39:35,815 --> 00:39:36,954
book, and I just wanna

1048
00:39:37,255 --> 00:39:39,174
have you kind of touch on them really

1049
00:39:39,174 --> 00:39:39,674
briefly.

1050
00:39:40,214 --> 00:39:42,134
The first is the 3 b's. This was

1051
00:39:42,134 --> 00:39:44,295
something that is, you know, this is something

1052
00:39:44,375 --> 00:39:46,054
and I know that as I work with

1053
00:39:46,054 --> 00:39:47,690
the folks I work with in my

1054
00:39:47,989 --> 00:39:49,989
role, people love the it this makes it

1055
00:39:49,989 --> 00:39:51,750
just so much easier for them to kind

1056
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:53,429
of figure out what these are. So what

1057
00:39:53,429 --> 00:39:54,409
are the 3 b's,

1058
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:56,570
and, what purpose do they serve?

1059
00:39:57,269 --> 00:39:59,929
Mhmm. So the concept of the 3 b's

1060
00:40:00,070 --> 00:40:01,130
is a foundational

1061
00:40:01,535 --> 00:40:03,315
framework in my model, and

1062
00:40:04,015 --> 00:40:05,954
the 3 b's are behaviors,

1063
00:40:06,335 --> 00:40:08,114
beliefs, and ways of being.

1064
00:40:08,655 --> 00:40:10,434
And so the model

1065
00:40:11,295 --> 00:40:14,440
reports that we need to coach those 3

1066
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,219
b's in order to see

1067
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:17,099
transformative

1068
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,219
sustained change in anyone, in educators.

1069
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,059
So backing up a little bit, every action

1070
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,940
that we take, every behavior we enact

1071
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,019
comes from a belief.

1072
00:40:29,864 --> 00:40:32,425
Sometimes we're conscious of those beliefs and sometimes

1073
00:40:32,664 --> 00:40:34,425
a lot of times we're not. And so

1074
00:40:34,425 --> 00:40:34,925
unless

1075
00:40:35,224 --> 00:40:35,724
we

1076
00:40:36,425 --> 00:40:39,005
surface or excavate those underlying beliefs,

1077
00:40:39,465 --> 00:40:41,324
we don't have the

1078
00:40:41,784 --> 00:40:42,605
kind of

1079
00:40:43,019 --> 00:40:44,940
power agency that we need in order to

1080
00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:47,099
shift them. And so when we can say,

1081
00:40:47,099 --> 00:40:49,500
I'm doing this because I believe this or,

1082
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:51,679
actually, I believe this, and therefore,

1083
00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:53,679
I need to take those actions,

1084
00:40:54,219 --> 00:40:56,474
that's when we see big shifts. And then

1085
00:40:56,474 --> 00:40:58,875
ways of being has a lot to do

1086
00:40:58,875 --> 00:40:59,375
with

1087
00:41:00,075 --> 00:41:00,974
our emotions

1088
00:41:01,355 --> 00:41:03,135
as well as with our

1089
00:41:04,155 --> 00:41:06,575
identities and the core construction of our identities,

1090
00:41:07,115 --> 00:41:07,934
which also

1091
00:41:08,555 --> 00:41:09,375
sort of

1092
00:41:09,769 --> 00:41:13,369
loops into our values, our sense of purpose

1093
00:41:13,369 --> 00:41:15,230
and meaning in life. And so

1094
00:41:15,609 --> 00:41:18,489
when, as a coach, we address those 3

1095
00:41:18,489 --> 00:41:18,989
b's,

1096
00:41:19,449 --> 00:41:22,889
we see real change. Most traditional instructional coaching

1097
00:41:22,889 --> 00:41:26,085
programs only address the level of behaviors.

1098
00:41:26,545 --> 00:41:29,105
They're just traditional instructional coaching. Let me come

1099
00:41:29,105 --> 00:41:31,204
in, do some coaching around

1100
00:41:31,744 --> 00:41:34,625
how you manage students or lesson design or

1101
00:41:34,625 --> 00:41:37,025
assessment analysis and Yep. That kind of thing.

1102
00:41:37,025 --> 00:41:40,139
That's, you know, that's behaviors. It's it's necessary,

1103
00:41:40,139 --> 00:41:42,559
but it's only one layer, and it doesn't

1104
00:41:42,619 --> 00:41:45,420
lead to sustained transformational change or to educators

1105
00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:46,960
who stay in the classroom for decades.

1106
00:41:47,579 --> 00:41:50,539
Yeah. The so the yeah. And when you

1107
00:41:50,539 --> 00:41:53,119
say behaviors, I also think about the overemphasis

1108
00:41:53,659 --> 00:41:54,480
of the technical,

1109
00:41:55,535 --> 00:41:57,375
the what are the tools we're using? What's

1110
00:41:57,375 --> 00:41:59,855
the format we put things into? And and

1111
00:41:59,855 --> 00:42:01,535
to your point, I've I've always been a

1112
00:42:01,535 --> 00:42:02,515
person who valued

1113
00:42:02,974 --> 00:42:05,075
technical expertise and technical

1114
00:42:05,614 --> 00:42:06,515
kind of skill.

1115
00:42:06,974 --> 00:42:08,550
But I I think what you're saying is

1116
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:10,710
exactly right is that it's only gonna get

1117
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:11,530
us so far.

1118
00:42:12,469 --> 00:42:14,390
Is you also came back to this word

1119
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:14,890
transformational.

1120
00:42:15,989 --> 00:42:17,750
And so I want you to unpack that

1121
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:19,449
word for folks who maybe

1122
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:21,530
haven't thought as deeply

1123
00:42:22,355 --> 00:42:24,614
as you have or as other as scholars

1124
00:42:24,674 --> 00:42:25,574
like you have,

1125
00:42:26,674 --> 00:42:29,174
around what what it means to be

1126
00:42:29,714 --> 00:42:30,214
transformational

1127
00:42:30,674 --> 00:42:33,155
beyond just impactful and that kind of thing?

1128
00:42:33,155 --> 00:42:34,755
What is what does it mean to to

1129
00:42:34,755 --> 00:42:35,574
be transformational?

1130
00:42:39,089 --> 00:42:41,010
So you said technical, and I would also

1131
00:42:41,010 --> 00:42:43,730
add transactional. A lot of those transactional. Yes.

1132
00:42:43,969 --> 00:42:46,309
On on on the behaviors is transactional.

1133
00:42:47,089 --> 00:42:48,069
Yep. When,

1134
00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:49,909
I'm gonna

1135
00:42:50,574 --> 00:42:51,934
kind of go around and get back to

1136
00:42:51,934 --> 00:42:54,355
that. So when I started coaching teachers,

1137
00:42:55,375 --> 00:42:57,375
I I I was trained sort of I

1138
00:42:57,375 --> 00:42:59,215
mean, trained. I say, like, you know, with

1139
00:42:59,215 --> 00:43:01,535
2 afternoons of training as an instructional coach

1140
00:43:01,535 --> 00:43:03,394
as a for supporting new teachers.

1141
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:05,730
So I go in. I was like, got

1142
00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:07,570
my little papers and checklists and things I

1143
00:43:07,570 --> 00:43:09,890
gotta talk about and, you know, suggestions for

1144
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:11,969
how to ramp up their do nows or

1145
00:43:11,969 --> 00:43:12,869
whatever it was.

1146
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:15,090
And the new teacher would sit in front

1147
00:43:15,090 --> 00:43:15,750
of me.

1148
00:43:16,525 --> 00:43:18,445
You know, this was after school, 1st, 2nd,

1149
00:43:18,445 --> 00:43:20,684
3rd week of school, 1st, 2nd, 3rd month

1150
00:43:20,684 --> 00:43:21,344
of school,

1151
00:43:21,885 --> 00:43:23,905
and she couldn't stop sobbing.

1152
00:43:24,844 --> 00:43:26,605
And she was like, I just can't do

1153
00:43:26,605 --> 00:43:28,619
this. How do you do this? The kids

1154
00:43:28,619 --> 00:43:31,179
are so rude. I'm so overwhelmed. I'm so

1155
00:43:31,179 --> 00:43:31,679
exhausted.

1156
00:43:32,139 --> 00:43:34,619
Parents keep sending me emails. I can't do

1157
00:43:34,619 --> 00:43:35,119
this.

1158
00:43:36,059 --> 00:43:37,279
So many teachers

1159
00:43:37,579 --> 00:43:38,079
crying.

1160
00:43:38,859 --> 00:43:39,359
And,

1161
00:43:40,059 --> 00:43:41,980
and I felt empathy for them, and I

1162
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:43,364
handed them the tissue box. But I didn't

1163
00:43:43,364 --> 00:43:44,844
know what to do. So I was just

1164
00:43:44,844 --> 00:43:45,585
like Yeah.

1165
00:43:45,964 --> 00:43:48,045
Where are you in the curriculum guide? Like,

1166
00:43:48,045 --> 00:43:50,364
I just You're like, well, so so if

1167
00:43:50,364 --> 00:43:51,505
you look at this indicator

1168
00:43:52,045 --> 00:43:54,844
Yeah. Yeah. I was like, here's another tissue

1169
00:43:54,844 --> 00:43:55,724
now. Let's,

1170
00:43:56,125 --> 00:43:57,780
you know I just I really didn't know

1171
00:43:57,780 --> 00:43:59,539
what to do, and I was like, I

1172
00:43:59,539 --> 00:44:01,380
thought my job was to do this. You

1173
00:44:01,380 --> 00:44:01,780
know, this is

1174
00:44:02,739 --> 00:44:03,239
so

1175
00:44:03,539 --> 00:44:05,619
those teachers, many of them didn't last 1

1176
00:44:05,619 --> 00:44:08,019
year, 2 years. You know, struggled through 2

1177
00:44:08,019 --> 00:44:09,940
years. Kids sure didn't a whole lot in

1178
00:44:09,940 --> 00:44:11,940
those classes because Yeah. There are a whole

1179
00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:14,155
lot of that was about their way of

1180
00:44:14,155 --> 00:44:16,875
being. That was about Yeah. The place within

1181
00:44:16,875 --> 00:44:18,335
them from which they were sourcing,

1182
00:44:18,714 --> 00:44:19,534
their beliefs

1183
00:44:20,155 --> 00:44:20,974
about themselves,

1184
00:44:21,355 --> 00:44:24,174
about teaching, about kids did not support

1185
00:44:24,474 --> 00:44:27,179
student learning. It did not support their own

1186
00:44:27,179 --> 00:44:29,519
well-being or their ability to thrive.

1187
00:44:30,219 --> 00:44:33,179
And so I realized that, like, okay. I've

1188
00:44:33,179 --> 00:44:36,380
got great skills at analyzing data, disaggregating data.

1189
00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:37,679
Like, I can talk about,

1190
00:44:38,460 --> 00:44:40,125
you know, all of this, but I need

1191
00:44:40,125 --> 00:44:42,465
to learn how to help a teacher

1192
00:44:44,364 --> 00:44:45,744
address and release

1193
00:44:46,364 --> 00:44:47,585
the emotions

1194
00:44:48,045 --> 00:44:50,045
that are showing up in some ways as

1195
00:44:50,045 --> 00:44:53,005
deserving of attention, but also as obstacles to

1196
00:44:53,005 --> 00:44:53,905
our conversations

1197
00:44:54,204 --> 00:44:54,704
about

1198
00:44:55,299 --> 00:44:56,359
curriculum and instruction.

1199
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:58,500
And that's those are the skills I needed.

1200
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:00,420
Or then when I encountered mindsets, you know,

1201
00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:02,260
the new teachers or the veteran teachers or

1202
00:45:02,260 --> 00:45:04,500
the any teachers who are who say, well,

1203
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:05,159
I mean,

1204
00:45:05,460 --> 00:45:07,460
I love this project based learning stuff, but,

1205
00:45:07,460 --> 00:45:09,380
I mean, you know, these kids can't do

1206
00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:12,244
that. Right. Right? They'll just they'll be out

1207
00:45:12,244 --> 00:45:15,065
of control. They need structure. They need routine.

1208
00:45:15,525 --> 00:45:16,985
They need to catch up on the basics,

1209
00:45:17,125 --> 00:45:18,965
and they can't do this. It will be

1210
00:45:19,125 --> 00:45:20,345
It would be disrespectful

1211
00:45:20,805 --> 00:45:22,724
to give them Right. This kind of, like

1212
00:45:22,885 --> 00:45:24,345
We'd be doing them a disservice.

1213
00:45:24,724 --> 00:45:26,105
That was always my favorite.

1214
00:45:26,859 --> 00:45:28,639
Yeah. So then I was like, okay. Belief.

1215
00:45:28,699 --> 00:45:30,800
This is a mindset. This is a belief.

1216
00:45:30,940 --> 00:45:32,880
How do we deconstruct

1217
00:45:33,179 --> 00:45:34,159
beliefs? Because,

1218
00:45:34,619 --> 00:45:37,099
again, the resources I've been given are not

1219
00:45:37,099 --> 00:45:39,019
guiding me in that way. So the model

1220
00:45:39,019 --> 00:45:40,320
of coaching that I've developed

1221
00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:42,000
is very

1222
00:45:43,155 --> 00:45:44,614
specific and directive

1223
00:45:45,235 --> 00:45:47,795
in some ways about we need to coach

1224
00:45:47,795 --> 00:45:49,875
these 3 b's, and here's how you do

1225
00:45:49,875 --> 00:45:50,375
it.

1226
00:45:52,035 --> 00:45:52,535
Yeah.

1227
00:45:53,554 --> 00:45:55,494
That I'm just thinking about how many,

1228
00:45:56,589 --> 00:45:57,089
preservice

1229
00:45:57,469 --> 00:45:59,409
educators and brand new educators

1230
00:45:59,710 --> 00:46:02,130
that I either mentored or coached,

1231
00:46:02,829 --> 00:46:04,210
and you named something

1232
00:46:04,589 --> 00:46:05,630
that I think I

1233
00:46:06,269 --> 00:46:08,510
it took me a really long time. Because

1234
00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:10,484
I think I think that what I what

1235
00:46:10,484 --> 00:46:11,784
I hear you saying is

1236
00:46:13,125 --> 00:46:14,664
that transformational coaching

1237
00:46:15,364 --> 00:46:16,424
has to do

1238
00:46:16,964 --> 00:46:17,464
with

1239
00:46:17,844 --> 00:46:19,144
humanizing support.

1240
00:46:19,764 --> 00:46:22,824
Right? So it's not just do you understand

1241
00:46:23,125 --> 00:46:25,219
the framework by which you are gonna be

1242
00:46:25,219 --> 00:46:26,760
evaluated. It's not just

1243
00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:29,000
do you know how to

1244
00:46:29,619 --> 00:46:32,900
make a format of slides that students can

1245
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:34,420
kind of respond to. Do you know how

1246
00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:36,739
to use Pear Deck? Are you engaging in

1247
00:46:36,739 --> 00:46:37,480
this transactional

1248
00:46:37,859 --> 00:46:39,319
piece? It's also about

1249
00:46:40,034 --> 00:46:40,775
you can't

1250
00:46:41,714 --> 00:46:44,135
you're only gonna go so far if you

1251
00:46:44,355 --> 00:46:45,414
don't talk about

1252
00:46:45,795 --> 00:46:47,795
your beliefs and and what that state of

1253
00:46:47,795 --> 00:46:49,795
being is for you. So that's really deep,

1254
00:46:49,795 --> 00:46:50,034
and,

1255
00:46:50,835 --> 00:46:53,014
I think it's something that's that's really needed.

1256
00:46:53,074 --> 00:46:55,074
Is that something because you talked about writing

1257
00:46:55,074 --> 00:46:57,210
for a person and maybe you were in

1258
00:46:57,210 --> 00:47:00,090
a previous, like, part of your life. So

1259
00:47:00,090 --> 00:47:02,409
it it's like this kind of idea is

1260
00:47:02,409 --> 00:47:04,590
also writing for the coach that you were,

1261
00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:07,130
and the and the resource that you wanted

1262
00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:09,070
as a coach. Mhmm. Yeah.

1263
00:47:09,394 --> 00:47:11,394
Yeah. See, people, you just gotta make the

1264
00:47:11,394 --> 00:47:12,994
stuff that you need. Like, don't wait for

1265
00:47:12,994 --> 00:47:15,315
other people to make stuff that you need

1266
00:47:15,315 --> 00:47:17,554
because maybe they will, maybe they won't. Or,

1267
00:47:17,554 --> 00:47:19,954
actually, Elena Aguilar may have already made it,

1268
00:47:19,954 --> 00:47:21,635
so go and find that. No. There's not

1269
00:47:21,635 --> 00:47:23,400
much more to make. There's a lot more

1270
00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:26,500
to make. We all need yeah. Write for

1271
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:29,380
yourself. Create for yourself. You and what you

1272
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:31,460
want now. So I would say Arise has

1273
00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:33,000
a lot of content that reflects

1274
00:47:33,460 --> 00:47:34,900
the learning and growth I've been doing in

1275
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:36,655
the last years, and it's like, this what

1276
00:47:36,655 --> 00:47:38,095
I want now. I this is what I

1277
00:47:38,095 --> 00:47:38,914
wanna be able

1278
00:47:39,215 --> 00:47:41,295
to refer back to and figure out That's

1279
00:47:41,295 --> 00:47:43,394
what's up. Address this. You know? Yeah.

1280
00:47:43,775 --> 00:47:45,474
Yeah. That's great. Oh, I love that.

1281
00:47:46,335 --> 00:47:48,494
Lastly, when it comes to the book, because

1282
00:47:48,494 --> 00:47:50,414
we need all y'all to go and,

1283
00:47:50,815 --> 00:47:51,954
check out this book

1284
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,920
and, and see if it works for you

1285
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,159
and just see what kind of, buried treasures

1286
00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:58,059
there are in it.

1287
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:00,380
You talk about the role of emotional

1288
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:01,179
intelligence.

1289
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:04,139
And I think this is so interesting because,

1290
00:48:04,644 --> 00:48:06,724
you know, as as you probably know, you

1291
00:48:06,724 --> 00:48:07,465
have interacted

1292
00:48:07,765 --> 00:48:09,224
with central administration

1293
00:48:09,605 --> 00:48:12,184
folks and kind of you know, you mentioned

1294
00:48:12,244 --> 00:48:14,405
the data driven focus in that kind of

1295
00:48:14,405 --> 00:48:17,144
thing. We have this tendency in these systems

1296
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:20,010
to tighten the technical and transactional

1297
00:48:20,389 --> 00:48:20,889
screws

1298
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:23,849
when students don't seem to be succeeding. Right?

1299
00:48:23,909 --> 00:48:26,309
Like, we're kinda like, well, there's just not

1300
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:27,130
enough fidelity

1301
00:48:27,429 --> 00:48:27,929
to

1302
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:30,789
whatever it is, the curriculum, the framework, the

1303
00:48:31,425 --> 00:48:33,265
all these kinds of things. We're rolling out

1304
00:48:33,265 --> 00:48:36,305
another instructional framework, and I'm starting to wonder

1305
00:48:36,305 --> 00:48:38,805
if maybe that's not the biggest issue.

1306
00:48:39,184 --> 00:48:41,285
And so I think about how

1307
00:48:42,144 --> 00:48:42,644
that

1308
00:48:43,184 --> 00:48:44,485
how that approach

1309
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:46,010
can be so harmful

1310
00:48:46,469 --> 00:48:47,769
to new teachers

1311
00:48:48,070 --> 00:48:50,250
and to folks who are just kind of

1312
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:51,690
hanging on.

1313
00:48:53,110 --> 00:48:56,250
And this this is, like, just an interesting

1314
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:58,235
story. I I was once I was called

1315
00:48:58,235 --> 00:49:00,474
into a meeting with our growth and performance

1316
00:49:00,474 --> 00:49:00,974
team,

1317
00:49:01,994 --> 00:49:03,675
because I was new to my role. I'd

1318
00:49:03,675 --> 00:49:05,675
just come out of the classroom, and they're

1319
00:49:05,675 --> 00:49:08,335
like, we want a teacher a former teacher's

1320
00:49:08,394 --> 00:49:08,894
perspective

1321
00:49:09,275 --> 00:49:09,775
on

1322
00:49:10,110 --> 00:49:11,490
the evaluation framework.

1323
00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:13,869
And so after, you know, some kind of

1324
00:49:13,869 --> 00:49:15,970
introductory conversation, I was like, well

1325
00:49:16,510 --> 00:49:18,190
because there's a lot of assumption. Well, the

1326
00:49:18,190 --> 00:49:20,110
teachers don't understand the framework, and that's the

1327
00:49:20,110 --> 00:49:22,670
problem. Or the coaches don't understand the framework,

1328
00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:24,375
and that's the problem. Or principals don't really

1329
00:49:24,375 --> 00:49:26,054
spend enough time with the framework, and that's

1330
00:49:26,054 --> 00:49:26,715
the problem.

1331
00:49:27,255 --> 00:49:28,934
And then I just kinda posed the question

1332
00:49:28,934 --> 00:49:31,015
kind of innocently. I was like, I mean,

1333
00:49:31,015 --> 00:49:33,094
I don't know. Y'all spend more time with

1334
00:49:33,094 --> 00:49:34,614
the frame framework than I do at this

1335
00:49:34,614 --> 00:49:35,114
point.

1336
00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:37,429
Maybe the framework is the problem.

1337
00:49:38,130 --> 00:49:40,369
You know? Like, may has anyone thought of

1338
00:49:40,369 --> 00:49:42,849
that? And just the kind of backlash was

1339
00:49:42,849 --> 00:49:43,750
really intense

1340
00:49:44,210 --> 00:49:45,829
because I think humanizing

1341
00:49:46,530 --> 00:49:47,269
our support

1342
00:49:47,809 --> 00:49:50,534
of anyone that we're coaching is is kinda

1343
00:49:50,614 --> 00:49:53,655
scary. There's an emotional investment there. There's a

1344
00:49:53,655 --> 00:49:56,775
spiritual investment there. There's something deeper than

1345
00:49:57,335 --> 00:49:59,574
you know, you wanna do more than hand

1346
00:49:59,574 --> 00:50:00,474
tissues out,

1347
00:50:01,014 --> 00:50:03,514
and there's there are these fears around time.

1348
00:50:05,139 --> 00:50:06,579
So it's triggering a lot of things in

1349
00:50:06,579 --> 00:50:07,239
my head.

1350
00:50:07,619 --> 00:50:09,480
So the role of emotional intelligence,

1351
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:11,719
in this, I think

1352
00:50:12,019 --> 00:50:14,179
way too little has been said about this.

1353
00:50:14,179 --> 00:50:16,260
Can you unpack a little bit about what

1354
00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:17,719
the role of emotional

1355
00:50:18,704 --> 00:50:21,985
emotional intelligence is when it comes to those

1356
00:50:21,985 --> 00:50:23,684
who would deign to be a transformational

1357
00:50:24,065 --> 00:50:24,565
coach?

1358
00:50:26,945 --> 00:50:29,585
Yes. So let me say a couple of

1359
00:50:29,585 --> 00:50:31,789
things first. This book is anyone who works

1360
00:50:31,789 --> 00:50:33,869
in education, and I would even say this

1361
00:50:33,869 --> 00:50:36,030
book is for anyone because it just contains

1362
00:50:36,030 --> 00:50:38,110
a lot. 90% of it is about how

1363
00:50:38,110 --> 00:50:38,929
to be a human

1364
00:50:39,469 --> 00:50:40,750
and how to have the kind of impact

1365
00:50:40,750 --> 00:50:42,050
you wanna have in your life.

1366
00:50:43,630 --> 00:50:44,130
So

1367
00:50:44,505 --> 00:50:46,585
if we go back to the anecdote that

1368
00:50:46,585 --> 00:50:48,444
you just shared about the evaluation

1369
00:50:48,744 --> 00:50:49,244
framework

1370
00:50:49,545 --> 00:50:50,045
and

1371
00:50:50,344 --> 00:50:52,105
before that, you said

1372
00:50:52,585 --> 00:50:54,025
I love the phrase you use. Like, when

1373
00:50:54,025 --> 00:50:56,424
kids aren't I'm gonna paraphrase. When kids aren't

1374
00:50:56,424 --> 00:50:58,444
thriving, we tighten the screws and

1375
00:50:59,390 --> 00:51:01,150
and bring in more tools. And, like, yeah.

1376
00:51:01,150 --> 00:51:02,829
And this is I said this 30 years

1377
00:51:02,829 --> 00:51:04,989
I've been in education. I've seen so many

1378
00:51:04,989 --> 00:51:08,450
initiatives and so much energy about, like, this

1379
00:51:08,590 --> 00:51:08,989
is what

1380
00:51:09,869 --> 00:51:11,170
and I would say

1381
00:51:11,824 --> 00:51:14,864
the questions that folks are asking then in

1382
00:51:14,864 --> 00:51:17,204
your case or were asking about the evaluation

1383
00:51:17,424 --> 00:51:17,924
tool,

1384
00:51:18,704 --> 00:51:19,204
those

1385
00:51:19,505 --> 00:51:22,164
if we listen to what's below those questions,

1386
00:51:22,384 --> 00:51:24,910
if we listen to the of everything going

1387
00:51:24,910 --> 00:51:26,289
on, including your response,

1388
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:27,809
there's grief.

1389
00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:29,170
There's

1390
00:51:29,789 --> 00:51:30,289
pain.

1391
00:51:31,550 --> 00:51:32,050
There's

1392
00:51:32,590 --> 00:51:34,289
shame. There's fear.

1393
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:37,730
And I would say, can we just

1394
00:51:38,190 --> 00:51:39,170
slow down

1395
00:51:40,304 --> 00:51:43,684
and hit pause and, like, sit down together

1396
00:51:43,905 --> 00:51:45,525
and feel that pain

1397
00:51:45,905 --> 00:51:48,324
and feel what it's like to have invested

1398
00:51:48,545 --> 00:51:51,204
30 years of your life in a commitment

1399
00:51:51,344 --> 00:51:53,670
to improving the lives of black and brown

1400
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:55,609
children and not seeing it,

1401
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:59,190
and perhaps even seeing some indicators which say,

1402
00:51:59,190 --> 00:52:01,589
like, things are worse than they were for

1403
00:52:01,589 --> 00:52:02,730
some groups of kids.

1404
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:05,530
And can we just sit in that place

1405
00:52:05,909 --> 00:52:06,889
of grief?

1406
00:52:07,684 --> 00:52:09,925
And most people are gonna say, like, hell

1407
00:52:09,925 --> 00:52:12,324
no. We gotta take action. We gotta act.

1408
00:52:12,324 --> 00:52:13,304
We gotta you know?

1409
00:52:15,125 --> 00:52:15,625
There

1410
00:52:15,925 --> 00:52:16,425
is

1411
00:52:16,724 --> 00:52:20,485
a a a a a blog and article

1412
00:52:20,485 --> 00:52:21,304
that I recently

1413
00:52:21,605 --> 00:52:22,105
read

1414
00:52:22,449 --> 00:52:25,489
that I really want to accurately cite, if

1415
00:52:25,489 --> 00:52:27,489
you give me just a moment. Yeah. No

1416
00:52:27,489 --> 00:52:27,989
worries.

1417
00:52:28,690 --> 00:52:29,329
This is

1418
00:52:31,489 --> 00:52:33,910
let me see. Where can I find it?

1419
00:52:36,875 --> 00:52:37,695
Hear me?

1420
00:52:39,514 --> 00:52:40,014
Because

1421
00:52:40,315 --> 00:52:42,474
this was had such a powerful impact on

1422
00:52:42,474 --> 00:52:44,574
me. Okay. So the author is

1423
00:52:45,195 --> 00:52:46,255
Bayo Komolafe.

1424
00:52:47,034 --> 00:52:48,255
Have you heard of him?

1425
00:52:49,730 --> 00:52:51,030
I feel like somebody

1426
00:52:51,489 --> 00:52:53,889
told me about him, but I don't can

1427
00:52:53,889 --> 00:52:56,469
you spell that for me? He is incredible.

1428
00:52:56,609 --> 00:52:59,010
He's, like, my new I'm obsessed with his

1429
00:52:59,010 --> 00:53:01,269
first name is Bayo, b a y o,

1430
00:53:01,569 --> 00:53:03,349
and his last name is spelled

1431
00:53:03,730 --> 00:53:04,469
a k

1432
00:53:05,484 --> 00:53:05,984
omolafe.

1433
00:53:08,684 --> 00:53:10,304
And he wrote this

1434
00:53:10,605 --> 00:53:11,744
gorgeous piece

1435
00:53:12,204 --> 00:53:12,704
called,

1436
00:53:15,724 --> 00:53:17,344
the times are urgent,

1437
00:53:17,644 --> 00:53:19,184
let us slow down.

1438
00:53:22,420 --> 00:53:24,180
And that I read a few months ago,

1439
00:53:24,180 --> 00:53:25,480
and that has been like,

1440
00:53:25,940 --> 00:53:26,840
oh, those words.

1441
00:53:27,460 --> 00:53:30,440
The times are urgent. Let us slow down.

1442
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:32,739
Because what the way that we have worked

1443
00:53:33,425 --> 00:53:35,505
again, I'm looking at 30 years now. The

1444
00:53:35,505 --> 00:53:37,984
way we have worked has not resulted in

1445
00:53:37,984 --> 00:53:40,864
the outcomes we want. Maybe there's been some

1446
00:53:40,864 --> 00:53:43,505
improvement here and there. There's tweaking, but we're

1447
00:53:43,505 --> 00:53:45,425
sitting with a lot of grief and pain,

1448
00:53:45,425 --> 00:53:47,369
and we keep going at this pace and

1449
00:53:47,369 --> 00:53:48,429
at this rate.

1450
00:53:48,809 --> 00:53:51,469
And so the need for emotional

1451
00:53:52,409 --> 00:53:54,569
intelligence or I would just start with, like,

1452
00:53:54,569 --> 00:53:56,809
let's just accept that we are humans, and

1453
00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:57,710
we have emotions.

1454
00:53:58,010 --> 00:54:00,250
And some of those emotions are uncomfortable, like

1455
00:54:00,250 --> 00:54:03,445
grief and anger and shame and fear.

1456
00:54:03,905 --> 00:54:06,405
And if we could just hit pause

1457
00:54:07,344 --> 00:54:08,164
for a moment

1458
00:54:08,864 --> 00:54:10,324
and acknowledge all of this,

1459
00:54:10,704 --> 00:54:12,625
I actually think that the the the problem

1460
00:54:12,704 --> 00:54:14,304
the thing that we know from the field

1461
00:54:14,304 --> 00:54:16,144
of psychology and the way emotions work in

1462
00:54:16,144 --> 00:54:18,190
our bodies is that when we're not processing

1463
00:54:18,190 --> 00:54:19,489
them and releasing them,

1464
00:54:19,949 --> 00:54:23,150
we are undermining our cognitive capacity to to

1465
00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:26,030
problem solve. Like, our prefrontal cortex is not

1466
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:26,530
optimized

1467
00:54:27,150 --> 00:54:27,650
for

1468
00:54:28,030 --> 00:54:28,530
higher

1469
00:54:28,989 --> 00:54:31,250
executive functioning, for problem solving.

1470
00:54:31,635 --> 00:54:35,094
And literally, these these experience of uncomfortable emotions

1471
00:54:35,394 --> 00:54:37,474
is in the way. And so Yeah. The

1472
00:54:37,554 --> 00:54:39,715
it's not the experience. It's the suppressing of.

1473
00:54:39,715 --> 00:54:41,894
And so That's right. We could have

1474
00:54:43,315 --> 00:54:46,789
some ways to explore and address the,

1475
00:54:48,289 --> 00:54:50,610
and not just that, because we also need

1476
00:54:50,610 --> 00:54:52,309
to have more skills and practices

1477
00:54:52,849 --> 00:54:55,010
to connect with the moments that are joyful

1478
00:54:55,010 --> 00:54:56,630
and satisfying and meaningful,

1479
00:54:57,250 --> 00:54:59,565
and we need to also slow down and

1480
00:54:59,565 --> 00:55:01,965
take those in and learn from those because

1481
00:55:01,965 --> 00:55:03,644
the going and going and going and doing

1482
00:55:03,644 --> 00:55:04,545
and doing and doing,

1483
00:55:04,844 --> 00:55:06,764
we're not seeing what we wanna see. And

1484
00:55:06,764 --> 00:55:08,684
so, yeah, we have a new initiative next

1485
00:55:08,684 --> 00:55:09,965
year and a new platform and a new

1486
00:55:09,965 --> 00:55:11,565
technology, and now it's gonna be AI. It's

1487
00:55:11,565 --> 00:55:13,000
gonna be this. It's gonna be that. And

1488
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,760
it's gonna be a turnover of leadership, and

1489
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,880
now they're gonna come and sing this, and

1490
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,200
they're gonna sing that. You know, we sometimes

1491
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,280
we have a really hard time with veteran

1492
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,220
teachers who seem so called resistant,

1493
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,519
and some of that resistance is like, yeah.

1494
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:27,364
Okay. This too shall pass. What now? We've

1495
00:55:27,364 --> 00:55:29,304
seen we've we know this script.

1496
00:55:29,684 --> 00:55:32,085
Yeah. But it's true. It's like It is.

1497
00:55:32,085 --> 00:55:33,704
It's absolutely true. Pain.

1498
00:55:34,565 --> 00:55:35,065
Let's

1499
00:55:35,445 --> 00:55:36,824
slow down and acknowledge,

1500
00:55:37,125 --> 00:55:38,505
like, this is hard.

1501
00:55:39,539 --> 00:55:40,500
Yeah. It's a hard time to be a

1502
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:41,000
human.

1503
00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:44,500
It really is. I I think that's so

1504
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:45,000
astute.

1505
00:55:46,420 --> 00:55:48,019
And I don't know if you saw my

1506
00:55:48,019 --> 00:55:49,860
reaction when you talked about grieving. The the

1507
00:55:49,860 --> 00:55:52,484
theme of grief is has been pretty prominent

1508
00:55:52,704 --> 00:55:55,344
in my life and work lately. One of

1509
00:55:55,344 --> 00:55:56,085
my favorite,

1510
00:55:56,625 --> 00:55:58,885
colleagues has often said that,

1511
00:56:00,224 --> 00:56:02,885
equity work needs to also be grieving work.

1512
00:56:03,184 --> 00:56:06,539
That when you are addressing inequities, you have

1513
00:56:06,539 --> 00:56:09,199
to grieve the fact that there are things

1514
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:11,260
that our kids and the adults who serve

1515
00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:13,340
them are facing that they did not choose.

1516
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:15,500
They were set into motion long before they

1517
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:17,820
were born, and, you know, that's something to

1518
00:56:17,820 --> 00:56:19,900
grieve. I think about my teaching career and

1519
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:20,400
how

1520
00:56:20,775 --> 00:56:22,855
I was I was big nerdy dude coming

1521
00:56:22,855 --> 00:56:24,054
out of college who thought I was just

1522
00:56:24,054 --> 00:56:25,574
gonna drop a whole bunch of knowledge on

1523
00:56:25,574 --> 00:56:27,174
kids and, like, fill their old brains, and

1524
00:56:27,174 --> 00:56:28,775
then they're gonna be smart and read books

1525
00:56:28,775 --> 00:56:30,295
and all that kind of stuff. And then

1526
00:56:30,295 --> 00:56:32,234
I came into the classroom of the alternative

1527
00:56:32,454 --> 00:56:34,315
school that I was working in,

1528
00:56:34,614 --> 00:56:38,559
and it was very clear that, yes, content,

1529
00:56:38,940 --> 00:56:41,280
gotta gotta do it. That's the job. But,

1530
00:56:42,140 --> 00:56:44,780
what they needed from me was support and

1531
00:56:44,780 --> 00:56:47,660
humanization and healing. And there's a part of

1532
00:56:47,660 --> 00:56:49,420
me that I had to let go of

1533
00:56:49,420 --> 00:56:51,505
the teacher I thought I was gonna be

1534
00:56:51,505 --> 00:56:53,105
so I could be the teacher that my

1535
00:56:53,105 --> 00:56:54,804
students needed me to be.

1536
00:56:55,985 --> 00:56:56,724
And then,

1537
00:56:58,385 --> 00:57:00,304
you know, probably more deeply than anything else,

1538
00:57:00,304 --> 00:57:02,085
I lost my dad a few weeks ago,

1539
00:57:02,385 --> 00:57:03,664
and it was a really

1540
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:05,890
it was just

1541
00:57:06,269 --> 00:57:08,450
jarring in so many ways because

1542
00:57:08,910 --> 00:57:10,050
it was not

1543
00:57:10,590 --> 00:57:11,570
a great relationship

1544
00:57:11,869 --> 00:57:13,250
between us. And,

1545
00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:18,269
and so the grieving process is actually really

1546
00:57:20,324 --> 00:57:22,585
it's really profound, and it's really complex.

1547
00:57:23,204 --> 00:57:24,804
And I think one of the things that

1548
00:57:24,804 --> 00:57:26,484
you said that I just thought was really

1549
00:57:26,484 --> 00:57:27,864
important is that,

1550
00:57:28,405 --> 00:57:29,385
you know, these

1551
00:57:30,724 --> 00:57:32,565
sitting in that space of grief is so

1552
00:57:32,565 --> 00:57:33,704
important because

1553
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:36,660
the body knows before the brain does.

1554
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:38,719
Like, I came back to work and I

1555
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:40,800
hit the ground running, and I I worked

1556
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,880
really well from about 8 to 1. And

1557
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:43,860
at 1 o'clock,

1558
00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:46,400
I hit this wall, and I realized it's

1559
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,539
because I'm carrying

1560
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:48,739
other things.

1561
00:57:49,344 --> 00:57:51,824
And normally, that energy would have taken me

1562
00:57:51,824 --> 00:57:53,664
through the end of the day, and it

1563
00:57:53,664 --> 00:57:55,824
just kinda paused. But but this idea that

1564
00:57:55,824 --> 00:57:57,285
we need to pause

1565
00:57:57,905 --> 00:57:59,905
and to slow down. My my last director

1566
00:57:59,905 --> 00:58:01,824
actually used to always say the phrase, we

1567
00:58:01,824 --> 00:58:03,344
need to slow down so we can go

1568
00:58:03,344 --> 00:58:06,199
fast. Right? Because if we slow down and

1569
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:09,079
we are deliberate and we are in cons

1570
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:09,900
in touch

1571
00:58:10,199 --> 00:58:12,119
with the work that we are trying to

1572
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:13,800
do and the problems that we're trying to

1573
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:14,300
solve,

1574
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:15,820
then our capacity

1575
00:58:16,625 --> 00:58:19,264
to face these difficulties is just gonna be

1576
00:58:19,264 --> 00:58:21,505
so much more, and it's gonna feel like

1577
00:58:21,505 --> 00:58:23,984
we're doing it fast even though we aren't.

1578
00:58:23,984 --> 00:58:25,605
We we took our time.

1579
00:58:26,625 --> 00:58:27,125
I

1580
00:58:27,905 --> 00:58:29,125
love everything about

1581
00:58:29,769 --> 00:58:31,630
what you just said. And I think folks,

1582
00:58:31,930 --> 00:58:33,930
like, if you're going into it is a

1583
00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:36,010
time of year that everyone's going back into

1584
00:58:36,010 --> 00:58:38,829
professional development. By the way, if you experience

1585
00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:39,710
poor PD,

1586
00:58:40,570 --> 00:58:43,130
Elena has a PD book that you could

1587
00:58:43,130 --> 00:58:44,349
recommend to facilitators.

1588
00:58:44,650 --> 00:58:45,494
It's very good stuff.

1589
00:58:46,454 --> 00:58:48,695
But if you're going into these, like, spaces

1590
00:58:48,695 --> 00:58:50,474
and especially those of you

1591
00:58:51,015 --> 00:58:53,494
who are serving students, who are dealing with

1592
00:58:53,655 --> 00:58:55,735
or serving adults even, who are dealing with

1593
00:58:55,735 --> 00:58:56,875
really intense

1594
00:58:58,829 --> 00:59:01,789
trauma and things that just impact them whether

1595
00:59:01,789 --> 00:59:03,410
they're in your classroom or not.

1596
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:05,090
I think that

1597
00:59:05,950 --> 00:59:09,570
understanding what's beneath the surface is really important.

1598
00:59:09,869 --> 00:59:10,269
And,

1599
00:59:10,989 --> 00:59:12,110
and I think one place

1600
00:59:12,885 --> 00:59:13,784
if I could

1601
00:59:14,085 --> 00:59:14,585
rewind

1602
00:59:15,045 --> 00:59:17,684
to that meeting, I think it'd be really

1603
00:59:17,684 --> 00:59:20,164
interesting to analyze what was really beneath the

1604
00:59:20,164 --> 00:59:20,664
surface,

1605
00:59:21,445 --> 00:59:23,204
and I think you helped me see that.

1606
00:59:23,204 --> 00:59:24,505
I think it's really powerful.

1607
00:59:25,820 --> 00:59:26,800
Okay. I just wanna,

1608
00:59:31,099 --> 00:59:31,599
pause

1609
00:59:32,460 --> 00:59:34,320
and acknowledge your loss

1610
00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:37,039
and that grief that's so complex.

1611
00:59:38,154 --> 00:59:40,894
There's all kinds of multilayers in what you

1612
00:59:41,275 --> 00:59:42,094
just shared.

1613
00:59:43,514 --> 00:59:44,014
And

1614
00:59:46,074 --> 00:59:47,134
and I

1615
00:59:47,835 --> 00:59:48,734
wish that

1616
00:59:51,179 --> 00:59:53,980
we could move into living in a world

1617
00:59:53,980 --> 00:59:56,859
where we can be with each other in

1618
00:59:56,859 --> 00:59:58,559
these sacred moments

1619
00:59:59,019 --> 01:00:01,280
and and and just acknowledge. And

1620
01:00:03,324 --> 01:00:04,925
I think it's powerful that you're making the

1621
01:00:04,925 --> 01:00:06,144
connections between

1622
01:00:06,445 --> 01:00:07,585
your own personal

1623
01:00:08,445 --> 01:00:10,844
lived experience right now and and the the

1624
01:00:10,844 --> 01:00:13,724
greater collective, and there's real potential there for

1625
01:00:13,724 --> 01:00:15,585
wisdom and insight and and

1626
01:00:17,319 --> 01:00:19,719
and your suffering and your pain all by

1627
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,679
itself is deserving of acknowledgment. It doesn't have

1628
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:25,000
to be tied. And so just wanted to

1629
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:25,960
acknowledge that,

1630
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,539
because you kind of shared that and then

1631
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,464
moved real quickly into

1632
01:00:31,085 --> 01:00:34,605
back into being the educator professional. And Yeah.

1633
01:00:34,764 --> 01:00:36,844
My commitment in this work is to see

1634
01:00:36,844 --> 01:00:39,405
people as their full humans in all their

1635
01:00:39,405 --> 01:00:39,905
dimensions

1636
01:00:40,444 --> 01:00:42,444
and all their complexity because that's all we

1637
01:00:42,444 --> 01:00:44,045
can do, and it's the humane thing to

1638
01:00:44,045 --> 01:00:46,429
do. And every educator has all these elements,

1639
01:00:46,429 --> 01:00:46,929
and

1640
01:00:47,389 --> 01:00:48,909
and we get to be human as well,

1641
01:00:48,909 --> 01:00:50,989
and we get to have that complexity and

1642
01:00:50,989 --> 01:00:51,489
dimensionality.

1643
01:00:51,789 --> 01:00:52,510
And so,

1644
01:00:53,389 --> 01:00:55,489
you know, and I'm sure that folks listening

1645
01:00:55,550 --> 01:00:58,030
also had a moment when when their chest

1646
01:00:58,030 --> 01:01:00,030
may have constricted, or they may have felt

1647
01:01:00,030 --> 01:01:00,905
that pang

1648
01:01:01,364 --> 01:01:04,184
of relating and wanting to to wish you,

1649
01:01:05,204 --> 01:01:07,605
to wish you strength on your healing journey.

1650
01:01:07,605 --> 01:01:08,905
Thank you. Thank you.

1651
01:01:09,204 --> 01:01:11,385
Thank you so much. I think sometimes it's

1652
01:01:12,724 --> 01:01:14,505
like, I struggle because it's

1653
01:01:16,109 --> 01:01:17,489
it's hard to

1654
01:01:18,030 --> 01:01:20,269
share with people, but it's also hard not

1655
01:01:20,269 --> 01:01:21,409
to. Right?

1656
01:01:21,710 --> 01:01:24,769
And so I'm always concerned about the feeling

1657
01:01:25,150 --> 01:01:26,530
that I'm oversharing,

1658
01:01:27,069 --> 01:01:27,569
but

1659
01:01:28,454 --> 01:01:30,555
I, I appreciate the pause,

1660
01:01:31,175 --> 01:01:31,914
the humanizing

1661
01:01:32,215 --> 01:01:32,855
pause. It's,

1662
01:01:34,775 --> 01:01:37,434
it feels good. I just you know,

1663
01:01:37,894 --> 01:01:39,275
my chest feels light

1664
01:01:39,735 --> 01:01:42,199
right now, which makes me really happy. There

1665
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:43,739
there's actually you had mentioned

1666
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:45,400
a a a blog post that you said

1667
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:46,780
that just hit you really hard.

1668
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,559
Right on the first day, I came back

1669
01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:51,579
to work after, you know, supporting

1670
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:53,905
my family and just kind of, like, doing

1671
01:01:54,105 --> 01:01:55,644
trying to do some things

1672
01:01:56,105 --> 01:01:58,105
to close off those affairs. There's a podcast

1673
01:01:58,105 --> 01:02:00,105
called the Becoming the People podcast. I don't

1674
01:02:00,105 --> 01:02:02,425
know if you're familiar with it, hosted by

1675
01:02:02,425 --> 01:02:03,405
Prentice Hemphill.

1676
01:02:03,945 --> 01:02:05,405
Really, really good stuff.

1677
01:02:05,945 --> 01:02:08,184
And, it's beautiful. And they put up an

1678
01:02:08,184 --> 01:02:08,684
episode,

1679
01:02:09,199 --> 01:02:12,659
an interview with Malkia Devich Cyril called grief

1680
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:13,699
is the medicine.

1681
01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:15,139
And

1682
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,159
that hit me so deep because it's kinda

1683
01:02:18,159 --> 01:02:18,659
like

1684
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:20,900
and I think

1685
01:02:21,364 --> 01:02:24,105
in my situation most prominently, but also

1686
01:02:24,724 --> 01:02:25,944
when we think about

1687
01:02:26,244 --> 01:02:28,664
as as human beings, how hard we

1688
01:02:29,125 --> 01:02:32,244
try to push through grief and just kinda

1689
01:02:32,244 --> 01:02:34,630
say like, okay. Well, I'm grieving right now,

1690
01:02:34,690 --> 01:02:36,369
but I'm gonna move past it. And once

1691
01:02:36,369 --> 01:02:37,570
I move past it, we can do this.

1692
01:02:37,570 --> 01:02:39,410
We do this in our work too. It's

1693
01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:42,210
like, yeah. That framework didn't really work, so

1694
01:02:42,210 --> 01:02:44,469
we're just gonna push through it and just

1695
01:02:45,090 --> 01:02:47,010
get this other thing done, start this other

1696
01:02:47,010 --> 01:02:47,750
new initiative.

1697
01:02:48,525 --> 01:02:51,724
But that grieving is essential, and it doesn't

1698
01:02:51,724 --> 01:02:53,984
really it's not linear. It doesn't end.

1699
01:02:54,284 --> 01:02:55,264
And so I

1700
01:02:56,125 --> 01:02:58,144
I wish it was a lesson that

1701
01:02:58,525 --> 01:03:00,464
that our systems could learn.

1702
01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:02,809
Right? That

1703
01:03:03,110 --> 01:03:05,190
you because, you know, my my district is

1704
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:08,309
over a 130 years old. There's so much

1705
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:10,230
harm that has happened on the watch of

1706
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:12,410
the school district, just like any school district.

1707
01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:13,530
And

1708
01:03:14,070 --> 01:03:15,510
to pretend that it doesn't

1709
01:03:16,164 --> 01:03:18,484
it that it just doesn't exist, that it's

1710
01:03:18,484 --> 01:03:19,304
not a thing,

1711
01:03:19,605 --> 01:03:21,444
that we can just move past it, blame

1712
01:03:21,444 --> 01:03:24,744
the previous administration, and move on, it's heartbreaking

1713
01:03:25,125 --> 01:03:27,784
because there's such an opportunity to build institutional

1714
01:03:28,005 --> 01:03:28,505
wisdom.

1715
01:03:29,045 --> 01:03:31,820
Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot for us

1716
01:03:31,820 --> 01:03:34,320
to slow down and unpack and be with

1717
01:03:34,699 --> 01:03:37,440
Yeah. Including being with awesome. Yeah.

1718
01:03:38,780 --> 01:03:41,280
Well, we are just about at time.

1719
01:03:42,460 --> 01:03:44,940
Wondering if you have time for another top

1720
01:03:44,940 --> 01:03:45,440
five.

1721
01:03:46,815 --> 01:03:48,574
Is this the same top five as I

1722
01:03:48,815 --> 01:03:50,755
Well, so I think what we'll do,

1723
01:03:51,614 --> 01:03:52,114
is

1724
01:03:52,894 --> 01:03:55,054
we can just I mean, if you're game,

1725
01:03:55,054 --> 01:03:56,514
we can look at

1726
01:03:57,215 --> 01:03:59,054
the top five tracks that are on your

1727
01:03:59,054 --> 01:04:00,840
music player. So, like, I look at Spotify,

1728
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:01,992
and what I think are my top five

1729
01:04:01,992 --> 01:04:03,263
tracks may not be what my top five

1730
01:04:03,263 --> 01:04:03,960
tracks are. I can I can also start

1731
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,079
a little bit, and give an example of

1732
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:07,079
the top five? So this is really funny.

1733
01:04:07,519 --> 01:04:09,800
This has been this has actually been part

1734
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:10,860
of my grieving process was

1735
01:04:16,355 --> 01:04:18,755
the the musical taste that my dad gave

1736
01:04:18,755 --> 01:04:20,594
me. Like, he was a guy who came

1737
01:04:20,594 --> 01:04:22,375
here from Mexico in the seventies.

1738
01:04:22,835 --> 01:04:24,454
He says that the first

1739
01:04:24,835 --> 01:04:25,335
sentences

1740
01:04:25,635 --> 01:04:27,554
he learned in English were from listening to

1741
01:04:27,554 --> 01:04:28,214
The Beatles.

1742
01:04:29,155 --> 01:04:31,554
And so he was really into that. So

1743
01:04:31,554 --> 01:04:33,820
so just to make a short story long,

1744
01:04:33,820 --> 01:04:36,059
I get to college, and I meet other

1745
01:04:36,059 --> 01:04:38,380
Latinos for, like, the first time ever. Like,

1746
01:04:38,380 --> 01:04:40,380
everyone else had either been in family that

1747
01:04:40,380 --> 01:04:43,179
was really far away or, you know, my

1748
01:04:43,179 --> 01:04:44,239
dad and my sister.

1749
01:04:44,780 --> 01:04:45,280
And

1750
01:04:46,385 --> 01:04:48,704
and so they had this, like, catalog of

1751
01:04:48,704 --> 01:04:49,204
music

1752
01:04:49,824 --> 01:04:50,324
that,

1753
01:04:51,344 --> 01:04:53,105
that I felt like you were supposed to

1754
01:04:53,105 --> 01:04:54,944
know in order to have membership in the

1755
01:04:54,944 --> 01:04:57,824
Chicano Latino community. Right? I was like, wait.

1756
01:04:57,824 --> 01:04:59,425
I don't know any corridos. I don't know

1757
01:04:59,425 --> 01:05:01,469
any of this. Like, I don't, like, even

1758
01:05:01,469 --> 01:05:04,269
really speak Spanish that well because the music

1759
01:05:04,269 --> 01:05:07,150
that my dad gave me was something completely

1760
01:05:07,150 --> 01:05:09,710
different. So I'm gonna give you the top

1761
01:05:09,710 --> 01:05:10,769
five songs

1762
01:05:11,230 --> 01:05:11,969
that my

1763
01:05:12,510 --> 01:05:15,482
that my Mexican father gave me that probably

1764
01:05:15,482 --> 01:05:15,596
not a lot of Mexican fathers gave. The

1765
01:05:15,596 --> 01:05:15,697
first one is The Devil Went Down to

1766
01:05:15,697 --> 01:05:16,289
Georgia by the

1767
01:05:17,045 --> 01:05:17,785
Mexican fathers

1768
01:05:18,244 --> 01:05:19,844
gave. The first one is The Devil Went

1769
01:05:19,844 --> 01:05:22,265
Down to Georgia by the Charlie Daniels Band.

1770
01:05:22,965 --> 01:05:24,724
I love how many people act like they

1771
01:05:24,724 --> 01:05:26,085
don't know that song, and then you say

1772
01:05:26,085 --> 01:05:27,684
it and you see the reaction just like

1773
01:05:27,684 --> 01:05:28,505
I saw yours.

1774
01:05:29,909 --> 01:05:31,130
That was one.

1775
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:34,889
The second is old time rock and roll,

1776
01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:37,269
by Bob Seger in the silver bullet band.

1777
01:05:37,269 --> 01:05:39,210
Yes. It was something else.

1778
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:42,489
Cats in the Cradle by Harry Chapin.

1779
01:05:42,949 --> 01:05:44,035
Mhmm. Mhmm.

1780
01:05:44,815 --> 01:05:45,315
There's,

1781
01:05:45,855 --> 01:05:47,715
Walking on the Moon by the police,

1782
01:05:48,335 --> 01:05:48,835
and,

1783
01:05:50,894 --> 01:05:51,394
weirdly,

1784
01:05:53,295 --> 01:05:55,555
do you think I'm sexy, Rod Stewart.

1785
01:05:57,789 --> 01:06:00,130
This is a time period. Okay. It's fascinating.

1786
01:06:00,269 --> 01:06:02,909
Yeah. It's definitely a time period, and it's

1787
01:06:02,909 --> 01:06:04,750
so funny because this was the music. Like,

1788
01:06:04,750 --> 01:06:06,690
there was Billy Joel playing. There was,

1789
01:06:07,710 --> 01:06:09,070
oh, there was another one that I was

1790
01:06:09,070 --> 01:06:10,670
gonna pick out. There's all this kind of

1791
01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:12,965
stuff that that I just saw. Oh, Bruce

1792
01:06:12,965 --> 01:06:16,164
Springsteen, really prominent in my dad's life. Mhmm.

1793
01:06:16,324 --> 01:06:18,804
And so I think about that about the

1794
01:06:18,804 --> 01:06:22,005
top five songs from my father that surprised

1795
01:06:22,005 --> 01:06:22,505
me,

1796
01:06:22,885 --> 01:06:24,485
when I look back at them and surprise

1797
01:06:24,485 --> 01:06:25,829
everybody else that I know.

1798
01:06:26,469 --> 01:06:28,150
So that's that's kind of a 5 that

1799
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:28,890
I'm on.

1800
01:06:30,070 --> 01:06:30,809
We can,

1801
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:34,070
yeah, we can talk about, like, tracks, artists

1802
01:06:34,070 --> 01:06:36,070
that are kind of resonating maybe with this

1803
01:06:36,070 --> 01:06:38,469
Arise work that you're doing and kind of

1804
01:06:38,469 --> 01:06:39,930
at this stage in your life.

1805
01:06:40,265 --> 01:06:41,704
Oh, well, I have a playlist for the

1806
01:06:41,704 --> 01:06:42,204
book.

1807
01:06:43,224 --> 01:06:44,445
Oh, sweet.

1808
01:06:45,065 --> 01:06:45,565
So

1809
01:06:46,585 --> 01:06:48,425
okay. Okay. Oh, that's a good prompt. I

1810
01:06:48,425 --> 01:06:49,864
was gonna tell you also about,

1811
01:06:50,505 --> 01:06:52,664
an of music I listened to for writing,

1812
01:06:52,664 --> 01:06:54,344
but I'll tell you about these. Oh, sweet.

1813
01:06:54,344 --> 01:06:56,079
I like that. Wait. I've all of it

1814
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:56,579
is

1815
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,920
great. Playlists. Okay. So some of it is

1816
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:00,659
a little

1817
01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:03,699
okay.

1818
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,699
My big conclusion in Arise

1819
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:09,440
conclusion I came to is the title of

1820
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:10,739
the, the conclusion

1821
01:07:12,824 --> 01:07:14,525
is All We Need is Love.

1822
01:07:14,824 --> 01:07:15,324
Yes.

1823
01:07:16,264 --> 01:07:18,744
Okay. So The Beatles, All You Need is

1824
01:07:18,744 --> 01:07:20,605
Love. That's on the playlist.

1825
01:07:20,905 --> 01:07:21,804
Let It Be,

1826
01:07:22,344 --> 01:07:23,244
also The Beatles,

1827
01:07:23,704 --> 01:07:25,465
Get Up, Stand Up, Bob Marley Oh, this

1828
01:07:25,465 --> 01:07:28,869
is so funny. Time. Yep. Tracy Chapman, miss

1829
01:07:28,869 --> 01:07:29,769
Lauryn Hill.

1830
01:07:31,269 --> 01:07:33,050
And then there's a whole bunch of, like,

1831
01:07:33,110 --> 01:07:33,610
eclectic

1832
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:35,050
kind of

1833
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:37,369
all over the place.

1834
01:07:39,110 --> 01:07:40,949
I had some of my teammates contribute. So

1835
01:07:40,949 --> 01:07:43,015
there is a playlist. If peep if someone

1836
01:07:43,015 --> 01:07:45,175
goes and looks for me on Spotify, it'll

1837
01:07:45,175 --> 01:07:45,755
come up.

1838
01:07:46,295 --> 01:07:49,015
Sweet. So that was fun. I like creating

1839
01:07:49,015 --> 01:07:50,855
playlists. There's also a playlist for my book,

1840
01:07:50,855 --> 01:07:52,855
Coaching for Equity, that I really like. That

1841
01:07:52,855 --> 01:07:54,715
is so great. I did not know that.

1842
01:07:54,989 --> 01:07:56,429
Yeah. And then I think what I was

1843
01:07:56,429 --> 01:07:57,469
gonna tell you, I was like, oh, they're

1844
01:07:57,469 --> 01:07:59,309
gonna ask me about music or something. What

1845
01:07:59,309 --> 01:08:01,309
was I listening to today? So I was

1846
01:08:01,309 --> 01:08:02,989
doing some work that I needed to focus

1847
01:08:02,989 --> 01:08:05,469
on. And often when I write, there's one

1848
01:08:06,110 --> 01:08:07,550
I don't know if we call them albums

1849
01:08:07,550 --> 01:08:09,614
now, and this is not, but that for

1850
01:08:09,614 --> 01:08:10,114
writing

1851
01:08:10,574 --> 01:08:12,755
gets me into flow. And so

1852
01:08:13,135 --> 01:08:16,414
the album is called Music for Mushrooms, and

1853
01:08:16,414 --> 01:08:17,635
it's by East Forest.

1854
01:08:18,655 --> 01:08:21,055
And, it definitely sends you into a little

1855
01:08:21,055 --> 01:08:22,989
bit of an expanded state of consciousness, but

1856
01:08:22,989 --> 01:08:25,789
it's and it's also, like, 8 hours long.

1857
01:08:25,789 --> 01:08:27,789
And so Wow. When I go into it

1858
01:08:27,869 --> 01:08:29,390
You get some real good writing done in

1859
01:08:29,390 --> 01:08:31,070
that. Yeah. I do. I get some And

1860
01:08:31,070 --> 01:08:32,510
I do say I think they are still

1861
01:08:32,510 --> 01:08:34,750
called albums. I'm not sure anyone knows what

1862
01:08:34,750 --> 01:08:36,664
an album was physically.

1863
01:08:38,724 --> 01:08:41,064
But I do. I do. Yes.

1864
01:08:41,604 --> 01:08:43,284
Yes. But this yeah. And I was like,

1865
01:08:43,284 --> 01:08:44,904
especially since it's 8 hours.

1866
01:08:45,764 --> 01:08:48,539
To make sense. Great sort of, like, anytime

1867
01:08:48,539 --> 01:08:50,300
I need to just tune things out, and

1868
01:08:50,300 --> 01:08:52,060
it just kinda goes on and on and

1869
01:08:52,060 --> 01:08:54,539
on in different weird forms. But it's great

1870
01:08:54,539 --> 01:08:56,300
for writing. I really recommend it. I would

1871
01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:58,880
have to check that out. Yeah. East Forest.

1872
01:08:59,180 --> 01:09:01,039
Yeah. So there you go.

1873
01:09:01,694 --> 01:09:03,854
This is awesome. I just found the Onward

1874
01:09:03,854 --> 01:09:06,094
playlist because I just looked you up. And

1875
01:09:06,094 --> 01:09:08,014
so, y'all, there's some bangers on this one.

1876
01:09:08,014 --> 01:09:09,614
First of all, speaking to my heart with

1877
01:09:09,614 --> 01:09:11,154
Ibrahim Ferrer. Right?

1878
01:09:12,014 --> 01:09:12,755
You know,

1879
01:09:14,574 --> 01:09:16,734
There's there's Jammin. I feel like Jammin is

1880
01:09:16,734 --> 01:09:17,100
always,

1881
01:09:17,579 --> 01:09:19,600
Like, Bob Marley features,

1882
01:09:20,460 --> 01:09:21,280
pretty prominently.

1883
01:09:21,659 --> 01:09:22,560
Jimmy Cliff.

1884
01:09:23,340 --> 01:09:26,079
Wow. There's we have very similar musical tastes

1885
01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:28,140
as I'm looking at this. Because there's even

1886
01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:30,380
the Cesaria Ybora song, which I think is

1887
01:09:30,380 --> 01:09:31,739
kind of a deep cut that not a

1888
01:09:31,739 --> 01:09:33,885
lot of people would reference, and I love

1889
01:09:33,885 --> 01:09:35,645
that song. I first heard it on, like,

1890
01:09:35,645 --> 01:09:38,444
a Starbucks CD. Remember when Starbucks used to

1891
01:09:38,444 --> 01:09:40,364
sell those CDs? And I was like, these

1892
01:09:40,364 --> 01:09:41,904
are like, this is good music.

1893
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Yeah.

1894
01:09:43,564 --> 01:09:44,064
Well,

1895
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we are a few minutes over time. Elena

1896
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Aguilar, how do people

1897
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connect with you, find your work,

1898
01:09:51,340 --> 01:09:54,539
benefit from just the dope stuff that you're

1899
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doing? How do they do that?

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So I do have a podcast. It's the

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01:09:59,020 --> 01:10:00,159
Bright Morning podcast.

1902
01:10:00,484 --> 01:10:02,484
I Oh. Also have a website that's a

1903
01:10:02,484 --> 01:10:04,324
good place for people to start. That is

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01:10:04,324 --> 01:10:06,104
bright morning team dot com.

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01:10:06,405 --> 01:10:08,164
And I'm on some of the socials, but,

1906
01:10:08,324 --> 01:10:09,925
you can find links to those through the

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website. That's probably a good place to start.

1908
01:10:12,260 --> 01:10:14,420
And as a regular listener of the Bright

1909
01:10:14,420 --> 01:10:16,659
Morning podcast, this is a place where you're

1910
01:10:16,659 --> 01:10:18,579
feeling like you're spending the most time with

1911
01:10:18,579 --> 01:10:19,320
and and

1912
01:10:20,340 --> 01:10:22,340
just really hearing, like, kind of the depth

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01:10:22,340 --> 01:10:24,180
of what's happening. So y'all gotta run over

1914
01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:24,680
there,

1915
01:10:25,460 --> 01:10:26,680
listen to, subscribe,

1916
01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:29,914
rate, 5 stars only. We know how this

1917
01:10:29,914 --> 01:10:31,675
goes. If you don't if you don't think

1918
01:10:31,675 --> 01:10:33,594
it's 5 stars, man, just keep on moving.

1919
01:10:33,594 --> 01:10:35,114
Keep on moving. We don't need to do

1920
01:10:35,114 --> 01:10:36,335
this to each other. Right?

1921
01:10:37,594 --> 01:10:40,474
Well, thank you so much for coming back

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01:10:40,474 --> 01:10:42,539
on 2 Dope Teachers and a mic. It's

1923
01:10:42,539 --> 01:10:44,859
it's as if we never left. Like like,

1924
01:10:44,859 --> 01:10:47,099
I, I feel like this was just a

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01:10:47,099 --> 01:10:47,599
continuation.

1926
01:10:47,899 --> 01:10:49,020
I feel like I just talked to you

1927
01:10:49,020 --> 01:10:51,420
yesterday. And so just thank you for this

1928
01:10:51,420 --> 01:10:52,639
amazing and humanizing

1929
01:10:53,020 --> 01:10:53,520
conversation,

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and,

1931
01:10:55,099 --> 01:10:57,179
really looking forward to getting the book and

1932
01:10:57,179 --> 01:10:59,814
checking it out. Great. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you

1933
01:10:59,814 --> 01:11:01,494
so much. It was great to reconnect. I

1934
01:11:01,494 --> 01:11:03,015
look forward to the next time maybe in

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01:11:03,015 --> 01:11:05,335
person. Oh my gosh. That would be so

1936
01:11:05,335 --> 01:11:07,494
great. Yeah. We'll we'll we'll do it. We'll

1937
01:11:07,494 --> 01:11:09,814
figure it out. Folks, that's gonna do it

1938
01:11:09,814 --> 01:11:12,534
for, 2 Dope Peaches and a Mic this

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01:11:12,534 --> 01:11:15,470
episode. Please stay dope. Please stay focused. And

1940
01:11:15,470 --> 01:11:16,909
hey, you know what? I know it's late

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01:11:16,909 --> 01:11:17,409
July.

1942
01:11:17,789 --> 01:11:20,430
Don't be sad. It's gonna be okay because

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there are great resources out there and and

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you're gonna have a great year.

1945
01:11:24,909 --> 01:11:27,085
Especially if you are listening to this podcast

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01:11:27,085 --> 01:11:29,104
and you're going into the resources

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01:11:29,484 --> 01:11:32,465
of amazing thinkers and thought leaders like.

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Take care.