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Addition of time for an awakening, our guests
this evening in conversation.
Will be joining us after the break
activist organized and President
of the Black Farmers and agricultural
Association in Memphis Tennessee,
mister Tom Joining us this evening.
To share with us, not only the
progress of
some of the meetings that
black farmers is an agricultural
association had been having.
That mister Be had been talking about previously
on the programs.
But also to talk about the Supreme Court
ruling that happened on June 20 eighth,
the Chevron difference doctrine,
and how that affects, but our farmers.
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on it's sunday the additional time for an
awakening before we get started with our program
this evening. What welcome in my c Philadelphia
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Brother Egypt. Is with us, brother Richard.
Yes, sir, Brother elliott. How worries are you,
sir?
Oh, I'm I'm doing fine. A a Elliot.
It looks like
we have an extended
guess. I don't know if you would call
guests, but they on club house. They created
the,
an outreach.
For time for awakening. And it's in the
room of the new ne w. And,
for those who don't know the ne w
was a nineteenth century
political,
theory group that was established by t Thomas
Ford. So I'm I'm just wanted to, you
know, acknowledge them, those who who would be
listening from there.
But I'm I'm looking forward to, you know,
having this discussion with mister Brown,
around what's going on
with the black farmers. But I'd like to
say Elliott,
I'd like to get my
I guess it would be condolences to the
family of,
Wilson Jar will, you know,
Moses
who have passed.
He was... I would say a true intellectual
in bringing
the
was say, dick's. 1 of his book was
the, classical black
nationalism,
which I think helped me create my political
paradigm
in relationship to the history of black politics,
thinking
you know, in in America. So I just
wanted to acknowledge that as we move forward
in our discussion.
You know,
speaking to that Rich,
I got an email and I forwarded to
you from
professor earl Henderson.
It's been a guest on the program several
times.
His a classic book, and I know it's
1 of your favorites which richard the revolution
will not be theorized.
Yes.
He sent a
email today also about the... And 1 of
his mentors and a colleague
got passed away at Penn state
Hold on 1 second.
Okay. I got Got I got that.
Again, I know you saw the email.
Yeah. Yeah. That's that's what. And I appreciate,
you know, professor Henderson sending that, you know,
learning us be aware that because I hadn't
heard it before,
you know, you sent the email over. And,
you know, I... As I said, you know,
doctor Moses
work. Not only was the national... You know,
this classical black,
you know,
nationalism,
but him doing
his his work around,
now now his name don't come to my
mind, but it it was, oh,
Alexander Cr,
which is
precursor to Marcus garvey. And I think between
the
philosophy opinions of Marcus garvey and and the
classical national,
black Nationalism,
those 2 texts
helped me you know, from a world to
a paradigm
to kinda analyze the politics that we're in,
today, even as we have this discussion with,
on mister Around black farmers.
Bridget richard d, the work and the struggle
continues,
we transition over to a man that's out
here fighting,
for our farmers on several different levels,
been on the program on several different occasions,
talking about several different issues
from Stein seed,
the fight against the company that the provided
fake sea to our farmers
to just general information on a what's going
on with the farmers.
And
the last time he was on talking about
the gathering of a
the farmers to let them know about the
tangled titles or,
you know, how they can kind
call will 1 another to protect the land
in the blue oval project coming to Tennessee.
But tonight, mister,
along we're giving us updates on several of
the things seats been on with us before
on.
Coming on to talk about this Supreme court
ruling on June 20 eighth of this year.
In fact about maybe 2 weeks ago, a
little 2 weeks ago,
the Chevron, a different doctor,
and kinda
to let us know how this
affects
the relationship, or a struggle of our farmers
to get justice from Usda and basically from
the federal government
of joining us now in conversation. Activist organized
and president of the Black farmers an Agricultural
Association in Memphis tennessee,
mister Tom Be is with us.
Oh, hold on 1 second.
Miss mister?
Miss mister. Are you there?
Yes. Can you hear me? I can hear
you loud.
Can you hear me? I can hear you
loud clear.
Thank you.
Good afternoon to you and your audience and
your guest and also to bug richard.
And instead of mister Brown.
Mister Ralph, before we kinda,
talk about it a lot of different things
and the progress of some of the meetings
that you had
gave us information on the last time you're
on.
Let's talk about some of the information that
that I just received
from you about a week ago.
This
Chevron different ruling that was
that brought that that was brought down by
the Supreme court and how this affects
our farmers struggle
and how this relates to exactly what's going
on.
Let me say this.
Because we see that
hold on a second.
I'm sorry.
We see that
when the biden administration came in and they
had to build back better. 5000000000 dollars was
allocated... Allocated
towards
for the black farmers.
For land loss and debt relief.
Through a lot of w
from different politicians
through the lawsuits from white farmers all around
our country
and from the banks.
Saying that they didn't want to give
black farmers any debt relief. The money was
removed
from the bill back better. When they came
in with the the new
that that new
the budget, and I forgot the the name
over skips owed inflation reduction act.
Yeah was the inflation reduction act. Yeah. It
was reduced to 2200000000.0
but it was opened up to all farmers.
And
when you were on before, you talked about
how
heirs
wasn't allowed to file,
under this new program,
But from the ruling in the Supreme court,
it kinda opens the door back up for
the air properties
to to let us know,
kinda walk us through this, mister Barr, because
I'm really cloudy on
this Chevron
different doctrine and and what... And how it
impacts our farmers.
Well, you're again, thank you for having me
on your show.
We appreciate you for giving our members.
Of the Black Farmers
and agricultural
Association.
We have about 20000
members throughout the country
And when we use the phrase block farmers,
it basically em bodies
land to owners,
block farmers as ranchers
and
specifically,
the heirs and descendants
of those previously
named group
our groups rather.
The majority of our members now are heirs
at law.
They live in New York. They live in
Los Angeles.
They live in Chicago and Atlanta.
And
their
ancestors mother's father
grandparents own land in Virginia,
Mississippi, Texas,
Arkansas, so forth so on,
and what we refer to as the original
13 slave states.
To the extent that in 19 can
brother Elliott and brother Richard enter your other
listeners,
economically speaking,
African Americans had acquired over 20000000
acres of land,
more specifically,
according to Usda,
United States Department of agriculture.
Between 19 10,
I'm sorry 19 a hundred
and 19 10
African Americans purchased on a per
capita basis.
8 percent more land than white.
The white community.
Land
acquisition, the accumulation of wealth
property, real and personal
was at the upper most objective
and was the upper most and salient
objective of the African American community.
So when we say our members again, we're
talking about the sons and
granddaughter, and grandsons of those.
Who acquired this property.
Unfortunately,
today, we own less about 2000000
acres we've lost
for intents and purposes between
15 16000000 acres.
There are credible reports let's say.
That the African American community has lost,
roughly 326000000000
with the b
dollars in property over the last 100 years
or so. So just to kinda put that
in perspective,
the loss
or losses rather
that the African American community suffering,
particularly in the agriculture, until your point, we
would use the phrase farmers to denote the
other,
shall we say part to the farm,
the farming group.
They have been the victims admittedly
and the Congress and court
have found
that the Department of Agriculture,
which has a lending arm, most of us
think of Us Va is inspecting food. They
do that. But they have several
divisions.
And 1 of those divisions historically
is a banking arm,
and
say, 30 40 years ago, particularly after the
roosevelt
administration. They created this
agency called the farm
and home at
administration.
That is to say in the states that
I made reference to.
That if a person needed a loan
could not only
have the purchase a farm.
But we know that
Usda is currently now
sharing
about 12 to 15 of federal
agencies.
To include the department of Defense department of
education,
and particularly the department of Housing and urban
development.
However, in the rule,
in those areas that I made reference to,
Congress was designated
Usda as also
the go to
agency for people who needed a housing loan
in the rule of North Carolina.
In Arkansas Tennessee.
So Usda
with finance just to make sure of housing
and agricultural,
no. Operating loans, etcetera.
However often,
the
discrimination that Usda was found guilty of,
affected
those individuals.
Now in 19 99, as you know,
there was a lawsuit called the Pig Ford
1 lawsuit Mh.
Where Congress said that Usda
would have to start paying or compensating these
individuals who believe that they had been the
victims and were the victims
of discrimination to include their heirs
could file a claim, you may recall that
there were these 50000 dollar settlements.
So back in 19 99,
whether you live in New York, Or Chicago
or if you were to send it of
an African American farm or rancher, and you
believe that your mother your awkward, your father
your grandparents where it's discriminate again.
Excuse me.
You could file for 1 of those settlements.
Now 1 of the problems though
that
the pharma
is that Usda was allowed
to use a what is called
the Chevron different.
Elliott. Mh. That allows them
to make their
themselves the jury and the judge
as to who it was that they they
were going to pay.
Under this what's called Chevron
defer.
The court says, and this
law was passed
in 19 84.
So the courts would allow Usda and other
federal
agencies
to decide who it was, they were gonna
compensate.
To that extent thousands and tens of thousands
of blocked farmers of their heirs
were did not the opportunity to participate
because to corn phrase as it were, the
devil was in charge of the details.
However, on
last Friday, Friday before last June the 20
eighth,
the Supreme Court ruled
that the Chevron defer doctrine
was
unconstitutional,
and that it is up to the federal
judges
and not the head of the 15
agencies
to determine whether or not a person's
constitutional rights.
Violated.
And that's basically when we say the Chevron
and it's not just limited to Usda,
As a matter of fact, the group that
had a pending lawsuit
was under the Department of Commerce
from fishermen up in malls
Massachusetts than otherwise. So this preference. This difference
as it were was used by all of
these agencies. Now the problem though in the
African American farming community
is that
Usda like so many other times
would use that tool and I'm repeating myself
could deny
individuals an opportunity to get compensated.
Let me use 1 other now before I
pause.
Let's say that,
Mcdonald's came up with this program, this restaurant
chain came up with a program
where they were selling as you know, burgers
and fries and coke and etcetera etcetera.
And it came up with a concept,
brother Elliott and Brother Richard, known as the
happy meals.
And the had the meal simply meant that
I don't have to ask for burger and
fives in a coke. Because if I ask
for a happy meal, I will automatically get
a burger. I will automatically get a get
a fry, and I will automatically get a
coke or a jury sprite.
You understand the personal all. Mh. But Usda
then when Congress would give Usda,
the money as good word to pay these
black farmers than their heirs,
they said,
we're not gonna give them the coke... We're
not gonna give them the fried. And we're
gonna decide which 1 we're gonna give a
sip code to. And they were allowed to
get away with that
under this doctrine known as the Chevron
defer doctrine.
And unfortunately,
this doctrine has been around for 40 years
since 19 84.
Therefore, all of the black farmers lawsuits in
settlement agreement
over the last 25 of 30 years were
affected by and now take it as it
were, and that strange while a lot of
individuals didn't get there just dessert,
no pun intended.
So what the block farmers an agricultural
association did, and we were only
organization, we file a lawsuit
arguing
that under this last
settlement agreement, the 2200000000.0
dollar settlement agreement.
They they be in Usda
would select who they would pay, but definitely
it would not pay the descendants
or the heirs or the all offspring of
farmers who were discriminated against.
And we argued that that among other things,
that that tool that Chevron Doctrine
violated
a fundamental
constitutional
god given right that an African American and
any other citizen of this United States will
have, and that is called the right to
inherit.
1 other point.
In 18 66,
We just celebrated our 240 eighth anniversary of,
shall, we say Freedom and
independence from the crown and in Great Britain.
So the framers,
as were to found sw in 17 7
to 6,
could not wrap their head around
granting African america's the right to citizenship. But
fortunately, in 90 years later an 18 66
they did. Under way it's called the civil
rights act of 18 66.
Saying, I'm gonna letter saying every citizen in
every state and every territory has a right
now to inherit it.
Meaning
you are born if you are citizen, the
day you open your eye. You don't have
to register the vote. You don't have to
wait to your At team to get a
license. You are born with the right to
inherit.
We argued that because Usda was denying,
our members the that happened meal as it
were they were effectively
denying them on the right to inherit profit,
and the Supreme Court ruled and agreed with
us
2 weeks ago. This is a monumental,
you heard the phrase. This is a landmark
ruling. It is monumental
and it will allow us,
the block farmers and agriculture listed
associations to help thousands of other members who
otherwise were denied an opportunity to get compensated
to do just that.
Mister B. The
With, 2 questions. Let me deal
with this 1
first, and it's not really question. And maybe
it's some
clarification. Because I'm I'm reading... I went on
to
the supreme Court
site
and they was talking about this ruling
and trying to make it, I guess, plain
for people to understand.
And let let me read to you a
couple progress of what they say here and
you can kinda,
make it playing for us as far as
the struggle
for our black farmers and landowners owners.
It says,
we were taught in school
how the government's
separation of powers are supposed to work.
Congress writes the laws,
the executive branch carries them out and the
judiciary, including the supreme court resolves arguments
about what these laws mean and evaluate whether
they're being enforced properly.
In reality, these powers
overlap at times
between branches of government and overall, the system
relies on certain degrees of trust.
Under the supervision of the present
to carry out the laws and policies according
to their best good faith
interpretations
Likewise, federal judges
have a rule in determining the meaning of
congress laws in order to settle disputes.
But the active policy making has always always
belonged to the 2
elected branches.
Today, however, the Supreme Court sees both
itself
and the lower court judge's policy making rules.
That's that the constitution does not intend for
them to have.
The court strip many federal agencies tasked with
protecting
public health, public safety, and environment,
including the Us
environmental protection agency and of
Us food and drug administration,
in name of just 2 of their powers
to interpret laws and to carry them out
instead of federal judges now get to call
the shot.
In in your estimation, Mister Be, how does
this affect
And is this assessment here in this article
true in relation to.
Now, for example, Usda used to
get money from the federal government and determine
who they was gonna give it to, and
were, you know, rick black farmers over the
coals. But now,
this goes back to or goes to federal
judges to make this decision. Am I reading
this correctly?
Yes.
And, yeah, you missed you started off
by talking about how the court recognized
that Our system justice is that's what is
called the
separation of powers.
And that is article 1,
the Congress, both the house and the senate.
As you stated, they write the laws. When
we elect individuals to go to Congress
from
Pennsylvania, Tennessee, etcetera,
particularly at the federal level, they write laws.
I mentioned in my piece that we have
about 15 now
agencies.
We call those departments where this department of
the defense
transportation, education housing,
Usda commerce,
and we call those the secretary.
They work under the president.
Okay? His cabinet as it were. That's that
second leg or articles,
basically 2.
Of the constitution. Article plea
to your point is where the judges
are empowered to settle what I call
and dispute... That's what is basically. You can't
go to court.
Just the say, hey, Y'all. I'm we're here
and
I'm the planet and there's a defendant. We
just wanna know how you were doing. No.
There has to be a has to diverse
b. The planet has
some grievance
against
b. That's basically a scoop. And fellow judges
are supposed to and were
empowered under the constitution to make that
decision. However,
Chevron
in 18 8... I'm sorry. 19 84.
The judges and the Supreme court ruled
that wait a minute. We may now if
there's a,
Particularly
if there is a statute
that is kinda fuzzy.
And we can't determine where the Congress intended
for us to go to the right or
Congress intended for us to go to the
left.
You'll hear the word
ambiguity
ambiguous.
The judge would say, well, we're going to
defer
to the agency and let them determine
what congress intended
as opposed to the federal judges doing it.
What the supreme court rule last week is
that no.
You're not supposed to federal judges allow the
agency
to make the final
determination, you federal judges
or and dial it to make that decision.
I so they struck down the Chevron difference,
and therefore,
every
agency now or
organization, with the pending complaint. Key phrase by
the Elliott, for the pending,
the block farmers as an agricultural associated
is the only
organization
in
association in the African American community
that has a pending plane
under oppose in this Chevron defer
at Usda.
And that's basically the effect that we are
now saying to how our members
And that's why we asked Remember earlier not
to fill out the 40 page
application
because you could waive your rights as it
were.
We used an analogy.
If you at a baseball game, you're on
the pitcher mount, I'm a, you on the
better mound. If the pitcher throws the ball
And if the foul
and you don't strike at it, it's charged
against the picture. But if you swing at
it and myth, it's charged against you.
So we were telling our members Usda effectively.
They're throwing foul balls.
Don't swing at them. We have a pending
motion. We thought that the Supreme Court was
gonna rule and declared that the Chevron defer
was
unconstitutional and they did it. We have a
pending motion. So now tens of thousands of
our members now can come back and receive
as it were
that just deserves under the happy meal.
Mister rub before Pass to,
How does this affect and and I don't
wanna, take it away from dealing with this,
but... Just... I just wanna jump over here
a second. How does this affect the stein
see
suit at the black farmers and I
association had in against that stein seed company
for selling fake seed to black bombs.
Ultra for any lawsuit now that's pending in
court.
And if the court allowed
the defendant,
But basically, the Chevron deaf deals with what
we call and you raised the point
administration.
Those cabinet members.
Those
agencies under the president,
the defense department, The commerce department, the department
of agriculture,
whereas the star seed is a was against
a private,
shall we say
entity?
So the Chevron
defer
doesn't
necessarily affect us there
because
it is not... It... The court didn't defer
to the agency. Stein is not an district
corporation. But fortunately,
we still in court with stein. It's not
a matter
or whether or not we are going to
wear
Stein has been using all of its resources
to just delay the process.
But invariably,
we will win the stein lawsuit,
Chevron deaf
notwithstanding.
Mister Earl, you and you mentioned this time
being a private company, which which You I
understand. But,
Now help me with this because III don't
know.
Starting even though Stein is a private company.
They're dealing with food stuff. And when I
say food stuff, you know, seed and everything
to produce
food.
So
would that be under Usda or the food
and drug administration to monitor that. And when
I'm saying they monitor that, they will become
a
sort of, like, partner in this or or
c,
for lack of a better term.
I maybe I'm wrong,
But, you know, it's not like Stein. Did
this without somebody's
overseeing or seeing what was going on. Am
I right, mister?
Yet. You right. As a matter of fact,
they are not allowed to sell seats
that are not pursuant.
To a federal sea law. Okay. So yes,
there is some overlapping here
whereas there would be the same thing if
we were suing a food company,
and there would... They would fall under of
the food and drug administration. Okay. We could
be showing a pharmaceutical company.
However,
the Chevron definitely though deals more specifically
with the 15
agencies.
Under the presidency.
Okay.
But, yeah.
Stein is under
at some point in time the department of
agriculture.
But the court didn't defer to sign
for sign to make the decision
if that makes sense.
There was not a chevron difference.
Now if they were to use that,
then yes, you were right. We would then
have an argument.
Against the Chevron defer.
But that card sign didn't plate for the
lack of a better parade.
They didn't play that hand. They didn't play
that card. Okay.
Bridget? However, we could prove, we have been
able to prove and will prove that they
sold us fake seas.
And that is basically
fraud,
whether it's under
Chevron
or they're already existing laws.
That deal with fraud and mis representation of
a material fact. Okay.
You know, mister Be,
as as you Nellie was the
clarifying
how to Chevron
case
assist black farmers. The question that comes to
my mind is that,
does that mean that each of the farming
community
has to go to the... Has to put
a a case within the
the federal district court
or does the
black farmers and agricultural
association
for these individual farmers
have to
the case that you already have in would
would satisfy
all of the black farmers.
Hello,
mister Sore?
I'm sorry. It Richard, that is an interesting
question.
And the answer is yes,
to the extent that we already have
a pending
lawsuit for the benefit,
of our members now that's the key phase.
So it will only affect who then,
those
individuals
who are members of the block Farmers
Association.
Now the question becomes
if this rule if this law was so
constitutional
Why is it that other civil rights
organizations
who also p to represent Farmers
didn't file or call time out
and state also
like the block Farmers did that Chevron was
on unconstitutional.
Why did they allow as it were the
devil
to be in charge of the details.
How can you on the 1 hand,
say you represent
this Ui civil civilized organization and allow any
entity to deny an air
a fundamental
cost of constitutional civil right, and that is
to inherit property.
Mh.
Right. Yeah. Now, you... You... The last time
you were with... The last time you were
with us.
We were, in discussion about air property. And
and I'm seeing if I can tie this
to
the
association
forwarding, you know, with this say a constitutional
change or this
supreme court change,
how does
the... What is the imperative,
I guess?
Of, the resolution of air property?
For those who,
as you made the distinction for those who
are members.
What is the the imperative of clarifying
this this legal process in relationship to air
property or it doesn't matter at all.
Well, it does matter that's a asking question.
However now, when the supreme court made this
ruling in 2 weeks ago,
They said it is not
retroactive.
In other words, if I could use another
analogy.
The football commission
just made a ruling
that pulling the face mask
and hitting the quarterback after he's down,
is a violation. Okay?
And they just made that ruling
yesterday
But it didn't mean that if I lost
the gain 2 months ago
because my quarterback was hit as he was
down,
that case, I can't go back and have
the
losing or the winning team and said, now,
you have to reverse the scoring.
Okay? It is what it is. Whatever happened
in the past, they're saying,
effectively,
But when he says a pending motion, this
is why it is so important doctor,
a gentleman.
And to your members Have,
a
organization that is constantly looking at
statues that you believe may be violated
your member's
constitutional rights
because almost always when the court would come
back and rule in your favor
they will... It is for the benefit of
people going
forward
who have a pending claim.
In other words, when the bus
you're right in the city bus and an
18 wheel hit the bus. If I got
off the bus at the last spot,
I can follow insurance claim. Okay? As it
were.
It is only for the people who were
directly affected
by it.
Now. And you preserve your rights as an
in in this particular case by filing or
calling time out.
The question is did you did your... When
you were playing the game whether it's basketball
or football, did you call time out?
You do time out here by filing what
a lawsuit,
and that's what the black farmers an agricultural
association did
after our members went to the fill out
form session, and they were denied,
particularly those members
who were the sons and daughters of the
black farmers
who went to get a piece of that
fit
2200000000.0
dollars.
Usda told them
that it is not for you. It is
only for the people who were alive.
Now, nowhere in the history of this country
says 18 66
that we did not a child
or an air the right to participate in
a local proceeding. Mh. We have the
lawsuit. You have the Capital June lawsuit.
10:12 years ago. You had to Bp piece
spill in the gulf. Where people died
and were injured. You had
09:11.
Since when had we ever denied
an air
to
participate
and receive the benefits
that would otherwise have clue to that air
pair.
Usda was used in this chevron run difference
as it were.
As a license to steel as a license
to deny these airs that to your point
about heirs.
Now if you're not gonna pay... So how
do you have
generational wealth gentleman,
if the wealth will not trickle down to
the next generation. My next generation is my
air.
Not to, you know,
to be too difficult
but when God made the promise with Abraham
back in the book of genesis.
He didn't give the promise of land to
Abraham,
he said I'm gonna give it to you
seize.
Your children
as an ever
ever ever
generation.
The white community would be livid if any
agency
whatever so slightly start to talk about
denying their children, they have grandchildren to right
to inherit their property real or personal, whether
it's a bank account, a car or a
house. This is a slippery slope.
To allow Usda any agency to say, well,
we're not going to pay the sons and
dollars
because we don't think you're entitled to it
This is for voting.
This is sinister.
This is something out of dr... This is
Drake Ko.
And for any civil rights organization.
Or p to be a civil rights organization
to hold your nose and look the other
way to allow a government
agency to create at the most un
of the nile.
The right to inherit is almost an ina
light. As I said,
I can't vote
until I become a certain age. I can't
get a driver's license
until I become a certain age.
I can't go to school until I become
a certain age. But the day I'm born
if I'm a citizen of this United States
I have a right to inherit property on
the day the doctor taps me on my
loop behind, and I start kick and whatever.
The moment I'm a citizen.
I'm entitled at that point to whatever my
parents have or any other person who be
squeezed me property. And
Usda was denying African Americans that right in
broad daylight,
and the federal judges.
And particularly the leaders of the African American
community looked the other way.
Richard, let me let me jump in here
a second,
mister.
I I heard you say that about 3
times now.
And we've talked about this on past programs.
So
I know
that
in order for you to fight or
as...
Put it this way.
I know your fight, I know what you've
been doing.
But I know that you have went to
enlisted help
from, quote unquote civil rights organizations. 1 of
them we all know.
The n
that you might not wanna call names. But
sometimes I think it's important
that our people know these names.
Of these organizations that p to help you
and they're working against you. So if you
wanna name some names, mister Be Go right
ahead.
Because I I know your work, and I
know what you've been doing.
But sometimes some of these other organizations that
people think is in their corner,
the the leadership of these organizations are not,
and it's important for them to know.
Well, it is unfortunate that as I said,
and I was being kind. When I said
there is
no other civil rights
organization that file a claim.
A against
Usda
for committing this heinous and sinister
as we said, the first civil right
that the African American community received in 18
66
was the right to inherit property.
The right to buy land. That's how we
were able
to purchase 20000000
acres
in the first instance. Think about it.
We were farming
while we were slaves.
But we couldn't own property while we were
slaves.
And this is what I meant when I
said
in 17 76
when the frame was the the the frame
and fall of those 56 people who signed
a declaration of independence,
then include the African American.
Even though we were year, it was another
90 years in 18 66
and thank god that they finally came around
and did it. Okay?
And said no. It's not gonna do black
folks the good to be free
if they can't contract if they can't own
property. If they're not allowed to own land.
It was at that point that we started
purchasing land.
In other words, it was lawful for us
to purchase.
We were farmers all along. We were share
all along. But we could not lawful own
property. Now I said that to say this
owning property
was then
and is today 1 of the sources of
wealth.
Any person in finance will tell you,
real estate is still the best source of
wealth. Now to you point about the civil
rights
organization, how can you be a similar rights
organization on the 1 hand? Whether you're the
m
or any other
association and the government of all entities
is violating
the rights of African Americans
and you file a lawsuit.
This will on that subject.
We have to acknowledge now.
To my knowledge, I don't know a 1
instance.
Not 1 instance where the M acp had
ever filed a claim
on behalf of a black land owner
or black farmer who was losing his their
whole property.
And I know and have stood amount an
attorney, but I know up and have studied
countless cases. We talk about n acp versus
button in n acp
versus ex. Brow versus gay, the case in
Montgomery with miss Rosa Park, brown versus the
board of First case. Golden versus sharp.
Dealing with basically
accommodation issues, but not 1 lawsuit with ever
file, how do you lose
20000000
acres is 15000000 acres of land
throughout the country and no rights organization files
a lawsuit in Federal Court.
When we talk about Sheer k,
sure it was 1 thing with a the
mister Charlie as it were to take that
property.
But he is taking was
exacerbated and made easier
because there was no corresponding.
Shall we say counter claim,
judges don't make house calls
under Chevron Ad doctor.
At the bible things they have not
because you asked that.
Under article 3, a judge can only
give you relief if you ask.
And if we never asked, there is no
wonder that we've lost,
320000000000
dollars in property,
15000000 acres of land?
900000
block farmers.
Where were the lawsuits there were filed
to stop these
agencies from effectively
raped in African American farmers and landowners.
Those agencies never filed the lawsuit.
Richard.
You know, this it's just.
It's it's amazing here it. And I and
I have to put those in there as
as as as a means the transition and
for me anyway,
because I I just came to my attention,
you know, and focusing on tonight's program,
and raise a question I wanted to see
is it relevant and we just got talking
about these,
civil rights organization. And I'm thinking I'm thinking
about the,
land grant colleges,
which, you know, by 18 90 came into
existence as a support
for black farmer since that was the purpose
of, especially
black land grant colleges to be a support
system for that. So I'm I'm asking,
and I think I've asked this before, mister
Be, have the have the
Land grant colleges been of any support to
the black Farmer's community as they go through
this case
you know, this whole you... This whole,
presenting me his case this case
to the federal court.
Well, I wanna say yes, they ohio.
However, you said in this case, and the
answer is no.
So yes, they have
historically
provide help to black farmers us. But now,
there's a question mark,
let's say
you had 925000
block farmers in 19
20. Okay?
And today... And you have 15 black mangrove
colleges, for intents detention purposes.
Well, today, you have 5000 black farmers and
you still have 15
land colleges.
So the land colleges are field in business,
the hospitals as if I may used that
analogy analogy. We still have the 15 hospitals
where we lost 930000
patients.
Now connect those as the kids on the
street was they due to math.
Is is it's amazing. And and my last
my last question in the in a sense
of
for those of us who are not farmers,
or a part of directly
either by hair property or in involvement
and, you know, farm in the farming community.
How does this
case
affect
and I'm I'm speaking to the black community
in general, how does it affect us positively?
What is it that we should look at
as something that we should recognize,
and and I'm looking for from the perspective
of, again supporting
black farmers.
Supporting
the farming community and supporting the association that
has been putting this fight. How does this
case the Chevron case,
make it
better, or, or what is the positive effect?
Of this
for those of us who are not necessarily
directly
involved with the farming community.
As we said, and brother Richard that's an
excellent question.
As we said it from now sat.
The Chevron case
and the case that
was filed
or at least the Supreme Court
declaring that the Chevron defer doctrine.
Is
unconstitutional
has a sweeping effect
on all
15 of those federal agencies.
Not just the department of agriculture.
In other words,
it affects commerce.
It affects trade
It affects
transportation.
It affects labor. It affects defense,
all of those
agencies were used the Chevron
defer doctrine.
So therefore,
if an African American,
was trying to get a loan as it
worth or doing business in the commerce
industry.
What is
it is probably the least
understood
landmark decision. It affects really trade and commerce
and business.
But if you're not in business, if you
don't represent people in business,
no, It probably won't do you any good.
So it's not just for and thank God
that farmers would benefit,
but any African American
in the
transportation industry,
and I'm repeating myself.
In the educational industry,
Chevron was declared on
constitutional
and it was used by all of those
agencies.
All of them were using were using the
Chevron doctrine
till not people that had me, whether the
happy meal was in agriculture
or the happy meal was in
transportation or the happy meal as it were
was in
education.
Rightly
understood
this doctrine
or at least the fact that has been
declared. I'm constitutional to think about what I
said earlier.
Virtually every lawsuit
or settlement agreement
that block office have received over the last
25 of 30 years
everyone was affected by Chevron,
every settlement agreement.
So if there other settlement agreements and these
other agencies,
they... Those
recipients for those benefits
probably were it did denied benefit
because the agency was allowed
to defer the courts allowed the agency
to defer on Chevron.
So it has a widespread effect. 1 of
the parts that I think is worth mentioning.
More importantly,
the black farmers an agriculture this associated
had filed a motion now we are going
back.
After this decision to file a motion to
enjoy
to stop Usda now,
some dispensing that 2200000000.0
dollars
until
it recognizes that it is now going to
have to make sure
as it were that the heirs of black
farmers will receive their portion of that 2200000000.0.
We're gonna take a brief break when we
come back.
Mister, we wanted to, get a little update
on
some of the meetings that because you went
around the several states and had meetings with
some of the landowners about what's going on
around that blue oval project.
We'd get a little update from you when
we come back.
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Bull com
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and I'm talking about
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That's people devoid
or thinking they're devoid of racism.
Do you have any idea of what they
want the ne to be in
I think the vast majority of white Americans
will go but so far It's a kind
of installment
plan
for equality.
And they're always looking for an excuse.
To go, but so far.
And know that this problem needs to be
solved, and we can't keep re
it to
generation after
generation
because a few of us
got a little money, a few of us
got
missions a few of us have wealth while
the masses of our people are going steadily
down.
No 1 man
can rise above the condition of his
people.
See brother said
responsibility.
Is it
is it that we should let them take
responsibility
to do for us or should we pool
the knowledge that's at the table,
The power that's in our community,
The wealth that's in our community to change
the harsh reality
a black life in America.
We have to do the job of fulfilling
the black.
Thank. Whites are expert game players in their
contests
to maintain absolute power
1 of the time honored gimmicks is to
point to individual blanks we've achieved recognition.
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Think about Lena Horn or Marian anderson.
Look at Jackie Robinson,
they made it
as 1 of those who has made it.
I would like to be thought of as
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Examples of blacks who made it.
For virtually,
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our guest this evening in conversation. But we
still have him here with us a little
while longer than we'll transition it to to
inform. Activist organized a president of the Black
Farmers an Agricultural
Association and Memphis tennessee, mister Tom Be.
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That's 215490
98 32. Mister Ge,
the last few times you were here.
You talked about the blue over project
that's coming to
Tennessee.
And
you were visiting some of the neighboring towns
c to nut bush
or, the the towns around
Mason,
which you had ran for Mayor 4 at
1 time,
and then you kinda branch out
to go to neighboring
states
where
black farmers and landowners owners are
to kinda let them know what's going on
to come back to that area,
to form a
block,
coalition, a group
So they can take advantage of what's coming
to that area.
Before you
kinda wind things down, tell us about the
proud to for the progress
of what the black farmers is in our
cultural endless association has been doing on that
front and how things going
of in that area.
What again? Thank you,
brother elliott for that. Keep in mind that
when we... When you hear the name, black
farmers
and agricultural
Association, as I said, that's all inclusive.
Now there are
opportunities
that
in addition to the
opportunities in agriculture.
There are opportunities now that landowners or in
the south
will have
because
the automobile industry as is the case where
other industries are moving from the Midwest as
it were
back to the south at 1 time Michigan
and Indiana
were the top 2 leading
automobile manufacturing states.
Now Tennessee in Alabama,
rank third and fourth
are Kentucky.
Alabama, Georgia North in South Carolina,
Texas.
They're moving base signaled to the same area,
Richard
where and brother Elliott where Black folk owned
land in the first place.
60 70 years ago,
we would load up the truck as it
were and moved to be... I'm sorry. Chicago
and philadelphia yard, in New York and detroit,
looking for jobs we were using our hands
as it worked.
We work for forward in General Motors
and we work for the big shipping
corporations.
Now these
corporations are moving,
to call a phrase as we say in
the apartment and
Smack dab
in the very rural communities that we left
Now connect the dots again. We still own
land,
but unfortunately,
to your point brother, Elliott earlier,
it's basically
air property.
And that is to say that that we
own it, but there are defects on the
title.
Grandma mama, grand daddy,
mama and daddy,
died without a wheel. They had a hundred
acres. They had 500 acres.
And they thought that all they had to
do was say you're gonna get this piece
and you will get that peace,
not knowing that when they die, they would
leave the...
Determination of ownership up to the state.
We call that here again, now you have
an un undeveloped
interest in property.
But because there is a cloud
on the title.
You have these multi billion dollar corporate races
now.
As is the case in Blue Over here
in Staten, and Mason Tennessee
in a predominantly African
American
community
and not 1
black lando owner was able
and
they have not been able
to
partner
or collaborate
with these
corporations
because
you would wanna buy a car
with a defect on the vehicle
by the same token these corporations they're not
gonna buy any property
if there are defects on the land.
So what we're doing now in addition to
the discrimination at Usda, we're are trying to
get the
residual owners of block... Our block farmers and
landlords and now specifically the heirs
to create an economic machine
which is basically to incorporate their property
so that they can now
collaborate.
We're saying rather than
sure it's nice to say that they're gonna
have 5000
jobs.
That's great.
But there there will also be collateral opportunities.
Hotels,
restaurants, service stations,
Anytime you have a 10000000000
dollar project in your community, gentlemen,
there will be all sorts of collateral
and add solar ancillary
opportunities.
But the African American community will miss this
because of the way now that we own
our property.
Going back to a property rider again. So,
yeah, we're are holding meetings in Alabama, Tennessee
Arkansas, Mississippi.
Get our members to talk to their other
family members
and
create some type of contractual
relationship with the other family members
to remove that property
out from under of the cloud
of air property as it were
and incorporating in a lot of cases
that land so that they now
can partner and collaborate
at least among themselves, if not with these
major corporations.
Mister Is
do you think there is some maybe some
time constraints that
the people need to act on this
because I mean, these companies are moving forward
to what they're doing. And I'm quite sure
they move forward in that in that area
of memphis and that blue oval. So is
I mean, should the people kinda act or
move with some
experience to kinda,
contact family members or or even partner with
other people?
Oh, yes. But there is...
I think it's fair to say brother elliott
that there has been some
lock of
communication
between 7 members about this air property for
the last
50 or 60 years for whatever reason
it is a taboo subject.
I remember, and I've heard other family members
and other black land on say
that when the younger generation would ask the
other generation bought the land, they would say
wait a minute. Y'all all... We're not gonna
even talk about that.
So unfortunately,
it was a subject
that we wouldn't even talk about, which is
an indictment again
against our leaders.
How is it? Let's go back to if
I can use that praise again.
1 of the things that we preach and
teach and celebrate
on Sunday and in the bible is how
god gave us the land that quote unquote
flow with milk and honey.
No pun intended.
But yet when we have the land that's
getting ready to flow with automobile and flow
with
technology
centers and forward with x and forward with
y and flow with z,
we can't connect the dots.
We can't even bring out a sale to
saying wait a minute. Family a, you have
500 acres.
Family b, you have 200 acres.
Can we come together and pull
those resources?
The issue is, basically or
what should make that easier
if the land is already paid for brother
elliott. The land is already paid for? It's
just a matter of there. The family members
is coming together. But here again, if there
is no leadership.
And this is a problem that we've had
in the African American community. As I said,
most of the leadership in our community has
dealt with accommodation and voting rights, not so
much property and economics.
And until we get another generation of leadership
to understand. And there's nothing wrong with those
other areas.
But we have to recognize. I mean, we
have to be realistic.
When it comes to a property, issues in
our community It's almost taboo,
not only among a black premise, but it's
taboo with leaders,
as I said,
I don't know a 1 lawsuit that has
ever been filed
by a black church
or black civil rights organization to help a
black person to save effectively
their fog in their land.
Yes. It's a rough... It's a rough animal.
And, you know,
I want... If I can... If I I
just wanna put,
this is a field of question if I
can, Elliot and mister Be. You know, we're
in this
political moment right now. And I I just
wanted to get AAA
temperature of pulse of of of what the
farmer farming community
think
about
as we look at this
presidential election because as you... You know, we've...
In dealing with the
the federal court case,
1 thing that was clear is that the
president selects
the... Who would be that Usda
head.
And we know that,
if I'm not... If I'm not out of
place,
Tom V has not been a friend,
to
the black farmers,
based off of of some things that you
have shared with us. So
Is there any sense
about this election that
regardless of the party affiliation, but in general,
the black farming community as a part of
the association,
have.
I'm I'm curious about.
Well, I'd see what you're
what we're saying is effectively,
when we look at the number of acres
that black folks have lost on the 1
hand,
the number of blocked farmers that we've lost
on the say, on a
having a political agenda has not caused that
land a ownership to be ab bait or
too slow. It has been custom.
It is linear.
It didn't matter if it was a clinton
net administration card at administration obama
administration and currently the Biden
administration. There has been nothing from it
right now. Other than,
the settlement agreement. But here, dan, if you
allow
Usda
to control the settlement agreement, they are simply
taking the monies
that were available the big mac as it
were the Cheeseburger fry that Congress was set
aside for black walmart and gave it to
other individuals. So, yeah, there is a political
component, unfortunately.
And as I I've said until you point
earlier Tom Vi sack. Think about it. He
is the secretary of agriculture he was appointed
8 years under the obama
administration, and it's currently under the Biden administration.
But he is also the secretary of agriculture
that is going to deny
African America's right to inherit property.
Now how can you have
an agenda,
a
a political agenda on the 1 hand where
you're going to
do for black folks could other folks have
not done, and the people that you put
in charge of these
agencies
under you the president, and your 15 cabinet
members,
the first thing they're going to do is
to create a system,
by which they're going to deny your members
and the constituents that have supported you, the
right to a
basic
fundamental
in 80 right, and that is the own
property.
There's something wrong here. So, yeah. Tom sat,
and there are a lot of individuals in
the African American community say he will probably
go down in history as being the worst
secretary of agriculture
that the African American community will have experienced.
No 2 ways about it. And we believe
he is using his position
as a
shall we say Cat at head under a
democratic president
to effectively,
deprive African Americans is that constitutes the right
to inherit property.
And, you know, Elliott, to something the about
and as, mister Be lays out, all the
different presidents. Right?
And laid out earlier
the difference between the the civil rights community
and what choice they made in relationship to,
you know, the,
of support and how economic... The economic were
land,
dis
had not been on the agenda.
When I think about the political class, the
black political class, specifically,
I'm it it it... I'm I'm a little
uncomfortable
Ali, I'm a little uncomfortable because it seems
like both of these groups are...
And we're we're seeing outcome.
As mister Bar said, the loss of land
by 2 groups that's supposed to be securing
position within
you know, the political rights of citizenship for
black people.
And then these 2 groups are not... You
don't see any kind of effort. I'm saying,
group being the political class,
and the civil rights class coming up with
an agenda and
utilizing influence
to stop the bleeding
as it relates to land loss or wealth
over
these
so many years.
Yeah. Well, I mean, we see what be
up against Richard, but
Listen, I just...
That's my my hat is always off to
men like mister Real and and the the
members of the organization because they're gonna continue
to fight. They can give up.
They're gonna continue this fight.
And hopefully, by,
more of the spotlight going on to what
those men are doing,
the spotlight will be also on people that
are not. That's why asked mister Be and
when we were talking
to kinda mention to the audience.
About people that are not helping in this
fight because some of our people they don't
know. They don't know Richard the information done
out there. When they hear these names
When they hit these individual's names, when they
hear the names of these organizations, immediately, they
assume that these organizations are helping back folks.
Because they might get into to to on
television our vision and other things and mention
about the given money to this organization or
they raised me in dollars for this organization.
But, you know, the real meat and potatoes
of what they're supposed to be doing they're
not doing
So I listen, miss Var, you know
that my respect and admiration is always to
you and and with the men and women
of the organization of doing.
The door always open to you. I know
you're gonna be successful, You know, when they
played that little clip on the television,
with you and several other farmers down there
the See that sometimes,
and you notice better than me, mister Be
morales as as an the organizer.
Sometimes
some of our people are a little slow
to move
until they see other people doing it,
and then they kinda jump on board.
So, you know, you're organizing the men and
women down there, the landowners owners, even the
ones that are not in that area.
But like you said, you know, that own
property or air property,
by you organizing now the 10 to 20.
Pretty soon that 10 and 20 is gonna
turn in a hundred and 200.
You know this. So...
I mean, your door is always open to
you.
Anytime you wanna share more information. The door
is open to come back, let out people
know exactly what's going on.
And and I'll be in touch with you
also because I'd had mentioned to you before
that I had a friend of mine that
had land in Mississippi.
And and he doesn't have it. His father
has.
His 500 acres.
And his father is is in his nineties.
And he got 2 sisters that are still
alive and they're in their nineties.
But they don't know... He said whenever he
brings up and he pays the taxes. My
buddy's dead.
But whenever he brings up a day, but,
you know, if if something happened, you know,
what what brings about this sla and just
like you said, mister Hare,
he doesn't wanna to talk about it.
He says the conversation now whenever it comes
up.
But maybe I can get you to kinda...
Or maybe I can get... I'll be I'll
be in touch with you mister because I
I wanna help him, and I wouldn't wanna
see 500 acres of land,
go into somebody's hands that the that the
that their family never intended.
But again, you know we available at the
black farmers of an agricultural
association. But you said something in both you
and brother is it. There has to be
a level of independence.
If you are going to advocate for your
community.
You can't and Beef,
unlike a lot of other the black farm
organizations. We have never
taking any grant money from Usda.
And 1 of the hardest things to convince
the members
is
if we start taking money from these agencies,
we won't be able to file lawsuits against
them. When they violate your civil rights
So it is not gonna cost you to
remain independent. It is going to pay you.
Think about it. Beef is the only
organization that has a pending lawsuit
that will be a that favorite under the
Chevron deficit.
Why is it the other? And there are
many
other
organizations even in the African American farming community?
Why is that they don't have a pending
lawsuit?
I guarantee you, sir there's 1 common denominator.
They're receiving grant money from Usda. So therefore
they are not allowed
to file a lawsuit against that agency. So
there has to be always first and foremost,
an element of
independence if you are going to advocate
for your community.
You know, I have to break this up
because those in at the... In club house
intentionally chose n Won't. And, you know, T
Thomas Ford and
Roman ramon Monroe T,
in the 18 eighties.
That was 1 of the major
you know, thoughts that you
black people had to have
a level of independence
and making their political and economic decisions. And
and it's just... So
clear
in what you just said in 20 24,
what
why it's so important?
To to to have that clarity. I don't
understand. I have to say y'all, I don't
understand why that math is so simple of
me. It's just 1 plus 1 is 2.
But in our general community, it doesn't seem
like the man is, like just that simple.
I don't know why.
Mister Ralph. I wanna thank you for being
with us. I'll be looking forward to the
next time you come on.
And the door always open. I'll keep the
light on for you.
Thank you, gentlemen. And thank you for giving
us and allowing us to privilege your your
time.
Tat you soon, sir.
Take care of that. Alright. Yes. Bye bye.
Yes. Wow.
Well, I mean listen,
men are constantly working I'm, I'm over reach
out and then
in
you know, because we in touch with the
with mister Bo and his wife. So I'm
reach out and get them on and talk
about
or the front that they're working on because
it just listen in a battle. It's a
lot of fronts.
Alright. And you might be covering the front
door, but I gotta keep my eye own
the back.
And somebody gotta watch the windows. You don't
mean?
Definite definite. Jeff. So... And and this time,
is And this political, you know, political climate,
it's more imperative than ever for us to
you know, really
secure all stations.
You know?
I hope I hope we believe that.
Let listen erroneous know while. We
you know, when we come... Because we're in
the last half hour program,
on the 20 eighth
of,
fuck William Da, and
like Kristen Malone be joining us. And you
know whenever you mentioned,
Miss small no mister Da, you're talking reparations.
Yeah. So they'll be joining us on the
20 eighth of this month.
In conversation. So you mark calendar,
and and and and be begin the audience,
so you can kinda see what's going on.
We we always like to pick doctor Da
brain when he comes on,
and
it's a lot there to to kinda go
over. And the lot of things that have
been going on. Since he was last with
us, Richard.
I think when he was last here,
he he hadn't been
in California. I think he was invited at
the time.
Right. So it's a lot of things that
has happened and
commissions formed in other cities. And so, you
know, it it'll be good conversation to have
with them him when it comes off.
Stephanie looking forward to it.
Richard, the... A couple of things I want
to kinda out there, and it was a
reference to
last week,
when I played a clip of
Kamala Harris at the
a hundred black men
conference.
And she may mention of
the thing that the administration is doing
to kinda offset
the
appraiser. You remember when she said, well, you
know, you can get
like, a white friend to come in and
bring all his pictures and put them down
and and get praise. You remember when she
said that? Yeah. Yeah. And,
you know, and I was saying listen to
the big, you know, the the thing is
coming richard, the, you know, the bigger
the big solution, and she said that they're...
They want to institute
more training.
No, It's it's always I want to do
this,
awareness in the process of doing that. It's
a, you know, it's always that.
But the more training. You remember when she
said they Rigid richard. Yep.
And you kinda questioned about these appraiser.
Mh.
You ma'am, when you did that.
Right. And
I didn't have it in front of me
at the time because I got a lot
of jump here on this desk.
But let me read. This. This is some
a March report of March 20 23 report,
And I... Believe me. Some of these reports
is the year old
what things haven't changed.
But this is from March 23.
Of March nineteenth of 20 23 at Mb
report. It says today,
some 90 percent
of Us appraiser
a white
and 2 thirds of male.
According to March npr report,
less than 1 percent of all appraiser
are black.
Mh. Issued in the same report.
No no. Glanced at, Richard.
You know, you you
you... Your solution
to this
situation,
and she laid out all of the racist
problem. Yeah you ma'am when she was on.
Racial diets and home appraiser. Yeah.
And Mh. The solution to it is their
proposing
training.
Sensitivity
training.
When you could see this systematic
racism in this government,
and but according to her, and if you
remember according to her,
Jim K
and Tim Scott, this is not a racist
country. You remember what you said it?
Right?
But again, I'm read again. It says today,
90 percent of Us appraiser are white.
And 2 thirds are white males.
Less than 1 percent of all razors are
black.
Now, I'm a come a little closer to
the home, Richard because
it goes up.
It says to Philadelphia region.
Miss Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and I Philadelphia, Mississippi.
And it says the Philadelphia region is even
more unbalanced.
There, 95 percent of appraiser are white.
So when when you got these cities being
gen, you you see the the the the
web of
of
taking advantage of black people. It's like a
web a spider web.
You see these cities being gen,
like Philadelphia.
And properties, they they just running into... Every
time you look it's a phone call on
your phone. It's
they blowing your phone up. So, you're property
And yeah, I want your property. In this
stat yellow.
95 percent of their appraiser are white.
And they low ball these people. They are
they're low ball our people and some... And
a lot of them are taking it. And
you know why they taking to Richard.
You need the money.
Exactly.
This stuff about black feet in the class.
We didn't win to all all those stats.
All that propaganda that they've been spreading
about black people doing so well.
Maybe the ones they showcase tell vision is
doing well.
Maybe you got a couple sprinkled in to
couple of business owners that's doing well in
their business.
Hey
hey Elliot.
And she's dealing with the appraiser, which is
dealing with homes.
And we're just using the example of Philadelphia.
And I don't know this is a
a report that Center City
put out,
this was 20 20. So it's was 4
years old,
but this struck me. Right?
So we we can see
that the people who sets the value of
the wealth
land
in the community where you live
are white.
So they can lower the value
and another point raise the value. Right? Mh.
And you need you need a certain level
of income in order to purchase,
especially when the value that houses are are
are raised. So that means you need this
to have a job or or have a
business
where this... Which is producing in this amount.
This reports a... This this report this is
Center city reviewing the economic viability of Philadelphia
as an example. And they mentioned 4 other
cities.
The degree of decent
centralization of
economic activity in the Philadelphia region is evident
when comparing Abs
data on the total number of businesses per
thousand residents
at the city and regional level,
philadelphia,
12.1
firms per 1030
sip 30 percent below,
the regional level.
Right? Now it... That's that's just... And it
goes into the region. But what... They break
this down
into
the actual,
by ethnic groups, and I just wanna make
sure I I get this...
So
it's it's saying,
as far as the 12... Okay. 24 oh
here. Yes, it is.
So,
philadelphia 12.1
per 1000 residents,
30 cent 30 percent below the regional level.
While Atlanta is 24.6
firms
per 1000,
residents
exceed
exceeds its regional density up by 41 percent
New York and Boston and Washington Dc.
Now, what I'm trying to get is because
they broke it down to,
actually,
the the
the...
And a nana I can't... Nana I can't
find it. But what what it was saying
was that Philadelphia.
It's 1.7
per 1000
businesses.
This is in philadelphia.
The highest was
asians who have 30.130
0.1 businesses
per 1000.
People in the city. So Philadelphia you have
1 business per 1000,
whites have 17 businesses
per 1000.
For
Hispanic have 12
of businesses
per 1000,
and Asians have 30 businesses
per 1000.
If you only have 1.7
businesses
per 1000 residents
who is hiring these black people?
Would we say black people are hiring? I
mean, white people are hiring? These white businesses
are hiring, black people?
Because it was seem that 1... That's the
point that they're making only black business higher
the larger percentage of black
employees.
And if you only got 1.7
percent per 1000,
not many businesses can hire black people.
Is my point. And if you can't hire,
you can't buy no home.
And if you can't buy a home, which
is app praise
at 200000
dollars, you're not making the income
to be able to afford those homes. So
it's it's it's just a
for me it reinforces
as an example. Why?
We're in a culinary state.
I don't care how you look at it.
Because Black Philadelphia has a mayor. It has
a city council. It has a, a police
chief or did have.
All of these and it has black counsel
persons
and just like when mister Be was talking
about in relationship to the farmers,
is... When we talk about land ownership, housing.
We are not in control of any wealth
in the city.
And I think not just this city, you
can look at Atlanta, New York and other
places to Boston.
It's just it's just something else early. It's
just something. And keep in mind what he
said,
that the ones that's supposed to be advocating.
In behalf of this.
Because now you got you gotta... Listen, I
don't care 1 way 1 way at other
about these political parties. But you got a
political party that's running around,
pan the black people and
advocating that they...
To generate their creating generational wealth. How are
you creating generational wealth when farmers...
Farmers is losing their land,
I mean... How does that work, Richard?
It don't work. That's the point. It don't
work.
Now is it intentional is what's what scares
me? Well, he it's clear that... I mean,
it's clear as intentional believe me.
Because this stuff... You you heard him, say,
it don't matter who's in whether it was
Clinton Bush reagan, Obama
Trump Biden, it's the same thing you heard
him saying it. Right. Yeah. Okay.
Let me let me... I wanna play because
last week, Richard, I tried to, and I
didn't have that clip handy. In fact I
really don't have a handy. So I'm a
play it from the...
Site and hopefully, don't know commercial butt in.
But I want...
Just like when when I played that clip...
What she said to a hundred black man
because all of a sudden,
this election cycle is black men that's key.
Before they played that game with black people
and this was a black women that was
key.
Now yes man. You know, Come on, man.
I
our people tired of these games.
But
Let me play this here because if you
remember when I played the 1 last week
about the
the the the appraiser and the
the jobs and all that other stuff. And
we kinda went inside the numbers and kinda
expose the
what's really going on. Let me play this
here what she said in reference to,
you know,
black people getting money and how they can
get it.
I can pull this up. I think it's
around here somewhere time.
Am I doing here... Oh, here it is
All.
The
community
led
of community
They are
people who understand the capacity of the community,
that ease of the community the culture of
the community.
They are call to online for the big
banks
will
see the dream that an individual has or
what it is possible.
And that a reject management the man something
heard form.
They will listen to it and then give
folks,
including
financial
advice,
people on around payroll,
nice a way they can start business and
it's the same the same business.
So for the money that we are putting
community banks,
in
is there that we believe gonna be the
greatest opportunity
community banks
billion.
Richard, I'm a stop this briefly here. Rigid
richard.
You heard of talking about community banks.
And if you can't get money for the
big banks.
Because you heard it the whole hobby asked
about, you know, things that are available
that you can get money from community bank,
the community banks. Right?
Right. And she talked about the legislation that
that... When she was in the senate that
to pass. But just like I read last
week, those 11 banks
that got that money from the senate that
she was involved with.
I think 10 of those banks
participated in predatory lending.
And there were no community banks. Yeah, I
read off the list. I mean you yeah,
I mean, if for the listeners that heard
it. In fact,
if you Google,
Kamala Harris senate legislation in 2018.
You'll see you'll see it for yourself.
So
You know, where are these community banks he's
talking about. That's gonna get black of a
loans.
Where are they?
I mean maybe you know some Rich. They
got 1... They got a black bang here
for Philadelphia.
You had 3 branches at 1 time. The
1 of around t eighth, and
that was in university city closed down.
Mh.
They had another 1 over there
broad and
you know, in progress plaza.
I think that's clues.
Right? They just got the ones that's left
down here in center city Philadelphia.
So I mean, where these community banks and
in fill philadelphia is the fifth largest in
the country?
It's no community banks in buck... Now wait
a minute. If you tell about other national,
they got community banks.
Asians,
Latinos, they have community banks it.
You might not be. You have you seen
in Richard?
No. No Well, they got killing. They give
me know. In fact, it's something here. It
Yeah. No Asians I 1. Yeah. It's a
big 1 up there right and in
north philly in fact.
They got me. They got community banks.
Black people don't have to any banks.
She's talking to a black audience about they
can get money from community banks.
Because
they're more sensitive,
the people that's there, they're from the community.
You heard us say that. They're from the
community.
And they're sensitive to the community?
Right. Well, where are they? What are you
what are you talking about?
What is this propaganda again?
Let me finish it up.
And is a specific piece of that is
very important. You that the vendor
only
10 percent of is a black business.
Right?
We all
that
are
1 third. Think
3
leads need to apply
for
business loans.
And I'm big part of that, is that
no
could be disappointed.
Right?
And the feeling right after zone get disappointed
that I don't wanna go for it and
to be rejected.
So again, putting the money into community banks
putting
access
It is usually for 5 years,
and you can renew it for the 10:20
30 years.
So see,
And that rigid.
You're her say,
after she won't finished up about the venture
capital. I don't listen.
I don't know know black people that got
money from Venture Capitalists. Do you Richard?
No. Not not here. Come. I come on.
What do you... What... Now, maybe
that the the black elite that she's talking
to you because when they started going around,
I think what's the name,
Andrew Young and fuel you know, Old guard
was there. You know, and maybe the children
of those black elites and got money from
venture capitalists.
The people that's in these communities
that wanna take control of their communities to
control the economy of their communities they ain't
get no money from damn venture venture capitalists
is. What are you talking about?
Now she mentioned about,
and this that's what we're doing. You know,
no no specifics.
Like this bull crap about all these loans
forgiven the black people. Where's the percentages?
How did search? Maybe some the time for
waiting on this search and see the percentage
of black people that have their loans were
given In fact, I ain't see no percentage
of no
that had their loans forgiven.
Right around talking about the people's loans black
people's loans been forgiven.
Now. She mentioned about,
you know, me and president biden, we've increased.
Government contracts. 50 percent. You to say that,
rich. Right? Mh.
Now, wait a minute. Hold.
Let me read this here from
Us department of labor here, the website.
In 20 23,
black owned businesses
receive less than 1.3
percent.
Of the 774000000000
dollars in federal contracts awarded.
Did you hear that Richard?
1.3
percent.
Which wait a minute. Now let me finish
it, Richard
because you know how long this administration has
been there. Right?
Which is less than what would be expected
given their
representation
in the economy, Tell about black people.
Mh This despite
Black Americans making a 14 percent of Us
population. In 20 21,
Back owned businesses received 1.6
percent of federal dollars.
No no wait a minute, Richard.
I no mathematician.
But if you receive 1.6,
which is a atrocious. I mean, that I
wouldn't need that's embarrassing.
If you as a as as a government
On they give them somebody some leg up.
If... In 20 21, black people received 1.6
percent of federal contracts. And in 20 23,
you received 1.3.
Is that a increase, Richard?
Maybe I can't count.
Well, it don't sound like a number going
up after the point.
She just said, she... I just played it,
Richard, Maybe I can't hear. She said today
that her and the president and president Bun
increased Black. Well, federal contracts to 5... The
500 percent. Did you say that?
Let me let me let me maybe I'm
me hold it. Let me see.
Oh, about 50 percent.
And that's minority business.
Okay.
If See over love, get the language right.
These people are slick Richard. They're slick.
They're slick.
If you're doing something right by black people.
You don't have to be slick, Well, what...
What is this?
How people keep buying this shit. Listen. If
you support these parties Have had it. I
you you do what you do.
Hey.
Make come on, man.
I didn't have enough of this. You just
this this is ought foolish.
If you take time to read, just like
the young lady said that that b tier
Awards. You take time to read, you'll see
that this stuff is propaganda
smoking mirrors,
pan.
Anyway you wanna say it.
I don't care what the political part are
you dealing with.
And no saying spend time talking about that
idiot that almost got his head blow off
yesterday because of, I don't care 1 way
or the other.
Don't stop me to laugh. I mean, I'm
just saying you know, so some people on
top of that date. That's good. But I,
you know, I I don't waste my time,
you know, come my man.
Who cares.
We got bigger f fries people.
There's only been 2 instruments of wealth creation
in this in in this in America.
It's been land
and black people.
Yeah.
Land land and butter and you're right, Richard.
You're right.
And since and since we was since we
kind of freed ourself from those chains on
our wrist ankles, we haven't we've been losing
land ever since.
You know, I wanted to...
Well, let me let me go to a
couple of these calls as why we get
got them more. And let's go up to
New York city.
Greetings Brothers. This is Buzz Recent, New York.
Yes, sir.
Yeah. I just wanna kinda follow on some
of the the the the excellent information that
you putting out to the audience and stuff
because you know,
I've been following up on this whole idea
this economic opportunity
of information that she's been... They talked about
since they came into office.
And 1 of the things you kept talking
about was this thing what they call Md,
which is minority
the Depository
Institute. So a portion of the federal government
does studies on look with the police. So
I went back and pulled the study they
did it looked at minority depository
institute
institutions going back from 2001
up to 2018.
After those institutions were Asian at the at
and when the at the end of the
study. And in the in the next number
highest number were were, hispanic.
African Americans used to represent 15 percent of
all Md mds. That number... Mean excuse me,
30 percent of all Md mds is that
particular point in this study. It had dropped
the 15 percent. So we went from 2001
to 2018,
we lost
these minority depository
institutions like, he's lo these community banks and
things of that nature and our own communities.
So again, you know, when I I started
looking at some of these lists, like I
told you when we had AAA
conversation by the Elliot. I was like I
go only find 1 bacon in in in
the City of Philadelphia. 1,
that was listed as a minority depository
institution.
And the reason why this is important is
we're dealing with we're dealing with money. Mh.
Now for Yeah. Please example, how how can
somebody loaned your money when they don't have
it? They talked about the the number of
assets
went up and Asian banks went up went
up, but in black banks
that called, what they identifies black,
the number of assets went down.
So bank can't lend you money, they don't
have money. Yeah. Exactly.
So I I mean, again, and then when
you look at this economic opportunity to
committee that she put together, get Bank of
America run there.
Bank of America. Are we are we joking
Bank of America on there. Shady Bank is
on there. Okay?
Goldman Sachs. Google key bank,
you know, Mastercard, Mcdonald's.
Some of these places have not done the
right thing by by black people Netflix is
on their moody's. All of these organizations and
they're talking about providing technical assistance that's gonna
spend 3000000000 dollars, but you don't even see
where the money is trickling down into. And
in the other aspect of it, that people
don't understand. They have these community development financial
institutions, which are ones that, you know, they
they they on hold totally different level.
So, I mean, like, again, we have to...
I I love that you you hit on
that point, brother Richard. When you said, with
the, you know, minority because my black people
need to stop thinking minority means you. It
does not.
It does not.
The number of
Asian banks
went up.
The number... The asset... So so so why
does that make any sense? Right? Because we
already look... You already talk about this on
a previous show, which I talked about it
on my show,
saving Bank
small business administration is lending money out. 48
percent of the money went to white businesses.
And 20 percent
27 percent went to Asia business.
Where you think they're getting the money from,
the banks and a damn community and stuff.
So you can't have access to to assets
if you don't have any banks in your
community to lend you? And the thing that's
that's crazy about it. You have to look
at the definition of what they mean when
they say minority
Right? It you have to have 51 percent
of of the voting members of the board
took... That that they can toward to be
minority.
That doesn't mean that you... That and check
this out. That doesn't mean you can have
minority bank a black community and not the
owned by... Not being run by black people.
So, you know, I just I just wanted
the to touch base with that because I'm
trying to delve into all this information
because, you know, 1 of the things that
I I respect about this about you and
brother Richard is that Y'all are trying to
whole people accountable People are telling us things.
And so
it's it's it's almost like if they there's
this gov a government e speak. So I've
been, you know, it's been taking me a
couple of days to to kinda navigate through
all of this information and stuff because we
don't even realize that a lot of this
stuff is being managed by the federal reserve.
Which we never talk about.
This is not even it's... Remember the federal
reserve is not even a a government entity.
Yeah. They own separate entity. So they have
their own separate interests.
You know, so anyway, Don't I don't wanna
take about time that I wanna hear for
some of the other
brothers or sisters that might be calling in
But I just wanted to dive into that
and let you know that it it's a
smoke and mirrors game. And when people are
telling you stuff, like I said, I mean,
a lot of y'all
need to respect the amount of work that
Brother Richard and brother Elliott does and what
we try to do on Black screaming to
to inform you about
what people are telling you because we know
that we... Within an our community,
the the impact
is what makes the difference. And information can
make the difference. Thank you, Brothers, for the
work that y'all do. Hey. Hey, listen. Before
you go Brother,
maybe you can
or no, on Black screaming, And maybe you'll
be able to find some statistics on
all these black people that had their loans
will give I don't see no percentages. No
statistics don't nothing.
This, I've I've spoken to several different people
I've reached out to 7
kept several different groups that I'm in contact
with. And I'm telling you right now, I
couldn't find 1
person,
not 1. And I went to college and
do a whole bunch of people who went
to school. I asked them about their kids.
I asked them about family members a a
whole bunch of different groups. And no I
could... I couldn't find 1.
Again, smoke mirrors.
Thanks for your contribution, brother.
He's my brothers. Right.
Richard, we got a few more minutes you're
right.
Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. Let's go back to
New York.
Well, you know
it's very interesting that you bring up the
student loan
situation because
The reality is,
once trump get back in office. He's gonna
rep rebuild all of that stuff
also, like he's gonna rep,
you know, the Obamacare,
like he's gonna
cut people's
social security,
army benefits,
and all of those sting.
So then when that becomes a reality,
and you start to hear
from the people
who have
received
those benefits
and now
are scrambling to survive,
then it won't be a jolt like, this
whole thing is in regards to,
you know, the student forgiveness. So I mean,
it's coming... I mean, III
just... Are you scared with me? Are you
excuse me?
Are excuse me? Are you scared?
I'm scared for black people. Yeah. No okay.
Well let me why me tell you this.
Me play you this. Let me tell you
this. Let me tell you this.
And before I tell you this, let me
tell you 1 other thing.
Sometimes I don't agree with you.
But I'm always respectful. I don't call no
names.
You're not gonna do that on this program
or any other program.
I'm a let you know that right now.
We can but disagree. It's no problem.
But you're gonna be respectful.
And I hate to have to tell another
grown man that because it it shouldn't need
me necessary.
Now let me go to let... Now, let
me go back to what I'm saying. Are
you scared?
You said you scared for black people. Well,
you know what? If you're scared,
join our organization that is willing to fight.
Now
I don't I don't I don't join I
don't join all the.
Listen.
Your if you
if you don't
listening
go over talk me
You'd not go over talk me. If you
don't wanna join an organization later for that.
I'm going to the next call.
Let's go to for Philadelphia.
Good
how
how y'all? Good.
And I praise you to july. But the
other when you had mister Be on. I
don't know if you came in the me
not to talk... Because I'm gonna make a
comment, mister Be I I looks, I was
gonna basically tell him that it's stinging indictment.
Like you said say with groups like the
end of Cp
and the urban league don't sign no lawsuits,
you know, on behalf of black farmers. I
think that's a disgrace and stuff. No 2
ways that's a disgrace. And Hell, let me
say about the banks.
You was right about the but the black
back united because I only have 1 branch,
but you got the
the location wrong. It's actually the reverse by
the elliot. The 1 downtown
is closed.
The only 1 remembers is the 1 that
promised plaza.
Oh.
I know I know sad. I know he's...
I because I go to all the power
I right running the Sunny hill, I running
just sending on the went downtown too and
stuff. Know. But yes, that's the only 1
that's open. And, you know, and this give
me, I if the follow Brother. Made some
very good points. And
were you mister Da on, and it was
the would be over aware mail it on
the 20 eighth what's the sister's name.
Kristen Mu at the... That's his wife.
Oh, that's... Okay. Miss miss him when his
queen, when we had mister Da and his
queen on wanted 2. That's the perfect birthday
present for me because my my birth and
the next day of 20 ninth that Monday.
So that'd be a nice
pre birthday gift for me. And and and
let me tell you something, you and brother
Richard, and Brother R spot on about these
banks because a's and banks how do they
increase them while black banks may be
you know, decline and because I'm telling you.
I tell look, I tell people don't take
my word for it because I mean I
could be live. And, like, the out, it
don't take my word for it. Just see
for yourself All I ask black person doing
this senate for Philadelphia, and those that come
to fluff just go to Chinatown. Go down
in there with old bus station to be
right there the heart of Chinatown, but Nathan
Arch, Eighth Arch, you know, Nathan raised autos
little air around there with the heart of
Chinatown.
Now there is so many
Asian banks down there. It's it's it's mystery
misread deck. Every oh you go from 1
corner to another and it's Asian Bank. Oh,
you see? I mean know. I am it.
Richard. Is that you?
Yeah. It's it's a few there. Said Oh,
is more his murder than the truth by
the. I know because reason I know I
look because because my plan my my friend,
got the news staff by Jefferson. He sends
me down there lot to get fruit from
the Asian and farmers market down there, and
I have chance to just walk around this
Site sand. And then you said, I look
at at least, I'm a tell you, be
honest with you because I did the corner
and ninth and Trade put across a police
signed credit union, it's the call the Asian
Bank then you go right around area by
Arch street racing vine All places. You got
at least south... I think of that whole
radius brother Elliot and Brother Richard. It's at
least 6
Asian banks. Say at least 6 including the
domain Asian bank at Nathan Arch, but it's
at least 6 of them down there, and
I've been in wow. And and who you
see going these these banks aids and people.
And and I came when Mad with them
because like I said they have it upsets
the directed dollars And, like you... And like,
you are a and was saying, they go...
These people going to these banks like and
they get loans for for whether for for
dentists for for homes.
For car car over whatever they doing. They
they go these backs they and they do
business with the and community. And when... And
they and community down there, they got aids
of all the fast It's it's but they
have the vietnamese. They come in the whole
they come in the whole title age and
we have the vietnamese, Chinese,
Japanese,
a filipino. Stayed down there, mandy got different
restaurants. The community like, the different 1 filipino,
thai japanese whatever, but the point is their
financial institutions are strong down there, man. And
I'm sitting my so where's is our black
of like, the is doing that for us?
Because, like, you reality, like, you and Brother
Reached and and Richard said, Alec, is smoke
and mirrors, man, because I swear and and
and none of the other callers from New
York was saying about the the the bucks
truck coming in door All they said things.
But my point like I said is that...
I was saying, where is these stu miles
because I can said, I try to do
a due diligence man. And I shit this
since you before, Belt elliot, I asked
friends of mine. So I went the high
school with. They got children and some of
them got grand grandchildren and they... And he's
children went the school for medical school. They
went to law school, someone went to just
regular college to be engineers, whatever. And they...
A hundreds of thousand miles in debt.
I haven't found out 1 black child or
black young mad woman. They said they got
their loans to get by Biden and Harris.
I don't know where all these people at.
Now they call New York said that it's
is it... I was say where these people
at, man because I haven't met when I,
like, Marie said he hasn't found 1 or
whatever... And I'm in the same people. I
found 1, and I asked all of mister
Joe man, ma'am, my my daughter, my granddaughter
to try to get it forgiven They ain't
got to forget stole hundreds of thousand thousand
in deaths. When I was at Cooper Hospital
in Jersey, but was for 16 years.
I met
I be friend many medical students. And of
course, of always, you know, you know, I'm
always more biased towards the ones that's black
or latino because they closed my people. So
the speak. And stuff. Now alex I've met
some of the white ones as well. And
but I have the friend a lot of
them, some of them are still... Some of
them went on and and as finished medical
was going a practicing medicine now. And they
said them doctors and they practice all over
because I still get emails and and and
and they'll send me little things about how
do how do they showed y'all doing or
whatever like that, and and from the black
and the Lieutenant ones that they made it
and stuff. As doctors. But my point is
that many them to this day, Elliot, because
someone just, know, he came back last 3
years, Ellen.
Send them to this day still
paying off this student loan. They haven't got
their loans together. I mean it?
So
So all in the where are these black
people that that Biden has talked about. They
got their loans we're getting on the call
in New York believe what he wanna believe
or maybe he knows 1. I mean I'm
not gonna say he I I is saying
a handful of philadelphia and the people that
I know I haven't met 1 black matter
of woman that had got these loans forgiven.
So I don't we all stood in as
saw as this black wolf. Are you kidding
me? When you see black people in poverty.
They call Sw philadelphia to poor Big city
in the America. The poorest is Big City.
So we're... I I don't know where I
helped... It's already nasa I the harris and
biden and talking about this both birthday creating
because I don't see it. And and and
you know, we're not... When you talk about
the fed
Like I I told brother When I talked
to Last friday. I said brother oh, I'm
just gonna be straight up with you. I
said sure where as black people. We need
to always be vigilant against these races biggest,
whether it's a 20 25 panel or 20
20 plan, because they always them doubles gonna
always come over with stuff to hurt out
people Don't say 20 25. Because I we
stand up as a as a strong people.
We can overcome all that stuff, because anything
that these biggest try to do Ali. You
ever notice and always backfire and and know
white people more. All though racist white folks
back in the eighties that vote for Reagan.
Some of these white folks saying covered yet.
Reagan acknowledged
destroyed and they voted it for reagan out
of racism, and I'm dumbass asses from the
from the white people from the air traffic
union. They reagan destroyed their union, and I'm
dummy still at the at bust the y
up. Some dummy still on Tv saying that
they didn't like what he did, but they
they're gonna still vote for him? Why the
hell you wanna vote for a man that
hurt you financially. Because that's they're right that's
their white racism. So the biggest gonna always
able to get their own best intentions. So
so what they think Chuck when gonna do
the black people, I can guarantee to the
credit we serve, elliott, but you call them
Y Y,
Guy y homeless. He's a just guy. So
So so all that stuff that be out
people pick they their truck them the people
getting there. He going, ain't gonna have a
devastating effect on white folks. Trust. Real real
fun way to survive and thrive. Because we
always have. So so still anything to these
biggest dudes that this plants, the is stretching
the black people. It always comes back on
them. All are you getting in there... And
I closed this out on this couple a
lot of your time. Make bedroom reason I'm
messing somebody my get on How I'll close
it this. When you talk about
drugs, they they they pushed the with drugs,
that destroyed black people, and they had a
deputy but they're the white folks. You got
white zombies, all over this
community now. White boys and white girls piled
up on george some bodies, white girl son
advice for cheap for 2 for 2 to
2 hours to get ahead of whatever like
and we are white kids from the subway
but well off families. So and stuff now
also sympathy for these white kids, but it
was black people lock them up and throw
a away to keep. Anything these people do,
like you said, a pad parenthood, that black.
That was to put it destroy black people.
Now white room Having low birth rates now.
So hardest stuff being biggest Always do is
always,
and it hurts right people more than it
hurts us. We gonna find out and survive.
Our people will survive, and and our social
security they the people that get it. They...
It's not gonna be cut the way out.
The these people think it's gonna be cutting
this it is. Again, like I said, we
are we are strong, you know, people when
stuff, we are found a way to survive
and and and and the midst of this
rate racism cast, we have thrive the people
we gotta do is get the hell out
of our own way. And we'll find a
way to make it And now that's why
Not worried about 20 25.
I'm not worried about 20 20... Whatever yet
biggest come up with because I know them
that gonna Always come up with some.
So that stuff don't scare me. And and
I just closed this alley, and then I
put I put
I put a pair on it right there.
And I and just put my new ellen
and I listed the remainder the show.
Well, listen, before you go,
you know, that's all over the
Black talk now is this 25 or whatever
20 25.
But the thing is,
what's our plan?
We are exactly. We already know these People's
plans and they've been treating in enact these
plans since we've been here.
And a lot of them have failed.
That's right. And just like you pointed out
a lot of them had backfired.
And and you pointed out that plan parenthood.
If you look at that, that was a
eugenics plan against black folks. Mh. But now
all of a sudden, white women, 8 candidate,
you but not take away my ride or
to get rid of the car They don't
want it. That it was never intended for
them.
Exactly. They didn't want way now to get
rid of their children. But a best right.
Right. So they've always been acting plans to
destroy black people?
The thing is, what's our 20 25?
20 30? What's our plan? That's what is
on our plan? I don't care about their
plan what they trying to do?
Mh.
Exactly.
But on that real Reagan again. She scoop
and white where Loves us to consolidate back
then. She the bank that economics is that
he didn't wanna text the the rich white
wealthy white folks because he said, if I
don't tax them, the money trip down to
poor and middle class people. Well, let me
say some other Reagan
dead asked death so many years. Even been
out of office for what 30 weather is,
and these dumb stupid white people still waiting
for that Monday triple down now. So that's
a reagan told them dumbass. Oh, the money
it triple down the y. As long as
I don't text these rick's white folks. The
money it triple... That's a reagan
they triple dumb put they they ate the
bait and then and they drink the Ko
aid, and they still waiting for that Monday
trip down till some them would go to
their grave, still waiting for that
trip down. And how may Ask stupid can
you be. But that's what these people do
they rose so racist. They put that a
race. That's why support Trump because they think
he's, you know, he's their wife's supremacist. But
like I said say, he chop on fix
their hands real real good if you get
back in there. Like I said, if we
could chop get back in his flesh, we
didn't up with the trunks to the world
we didn't up with Reagan, Bush Clinton. Because
like I said, if my memory said vehicle
could wreck Closing out I because sworn it
was Bill Clinton Joe Biden and then the
hell craft that damn crime bill that destroyed
black families that have devastating effect to this
day, and they was both to white Democrats.
So it don't matter democrat republic, them them
that was look hard against our people was
always, like, Malcolm said those 7
philip best it's always bipartisan shit to hurt
black people. And so, I mean, that stuff
don't scare me about some 20 25 plan.
Now I'm I'm...
It be 20 25 with 20 26 I'm
still live my life. I'm a take care
of my 90 some year old mother. I'm
a do the best I can to make
it help my people out and everything. They
they can come with the 20 25 20
26. They ain't come the 20 30 for
all looking concerned. Like gonna matter the meek.
I'm a gonna do what like, I'm a
do what I gotta do because, like you
said like, what's our plan. That's the bottom
of what our... What's our plan. Thanks letting
now this is for the rest of the
show.
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And this crooked being of power politics here
in America.
The n role,
namely
the race problem,
integration
civil rights issues
are all nothing but tools
used by the white
covid this self liberals
against another group of quotes who called himself
considerable,
either to get into power or to retain
home.
Among white here in America,
the political teams are no longer divided into
Democrats
and Republicans.
The whites who are now struggling for control
of the American
political throne
are divided into liberal
and conservative kings.
The white liberals from both parties
cross party lines to work together toward the
same gold
and white conservatives from both parties do likewise.
The white liberal
differs from the white conservative only in 1
way.
The liberal is more to seek.
More hip critical
than the conservative.
Both want power,
but the white liberal is the 1 who
has perfect the arts
of posing as the Ne world's friend and
ben.
And by winning the shipments the part of
the ne row, the white liberal is able
to use the n row as a pawn
or a weapon
in this political football game that is constantly
raging between the white liberals and the white
conservative.
The American ne is nothing, but a political
football.
There has always
been a white man's party in the United
States.
For most
of the history of the United States, that
white man's party has been the democratic party.
But then in the sixties,
the parties
switched places, but there was still a white
man's party and another party that claimed that
it was more inclusive.
This
duo system
is a political
arrangement
that balances
itself out. And in which the 2 parts
reacts to each other.
This arrangement
makes promises
to its constituencies
and it makes those promises in order to
keep them voting for the representatives
of the rich people who control both of
those parties.
But this
representation has benefited
the black
leadership class,
which owes its existence to the democratic party
or feels
that it does. For that reason, this black
leadership class is the last part of the
duo
that will budge from this arrangement.
But the black political class
remains
the most loyal
element
in that duo
situation.
Their
allegiance is to the party
that has nurtured their rise
in social and economic status. Their allegiance is
not to the larger black community, and that
will not change.
The duo tobacco system
itself
mitigate
against
independent
black politics
on the electoral level. It's not some fault
among Our.
It's the system
that we have to operate in or that
has been imposed on us that says you
will have no
independent politics because that would violate the logic
of the duo.
It means that you're abandoning the fight against
the white man's party because you are not
collaborating
fully
and wholeheartedly
and entirely
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