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Hey, listeners. Welcome to another exciting

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Exciting.

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Of this week in Mormons.

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Melissa and I are here interviewing Brent Schmidt

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today,

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Brent, do you wanna introduce yourself?

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I am a viable nerd. I guess if

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you wanted to label someone the nerd it

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might be. Yeah. I would label myself that

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unless I was single and looking for a

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mate, and then I would never label myself

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a bible nerd. But other than that, I

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think it's a great label. Is a good

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label. Brent not single or look.

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Yeah. That's try. So going on. Bible nerd.

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You can be honest.

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I I love

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bible languages,

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and especially Greek and Latin,

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and I get to even teach some Greek

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also mostly teach bible classes here at By

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idaho.

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So a lot of people... Actually, none of

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our listeners know anything about you. So I

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know Brent and I are friends, we've been

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in the same war for a long time,

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and we served in a bishop together. Yeah.

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So I know a lot about Brent. So

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Brett, you used to teach at the Catholic

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church. Right? I do for about 10 years

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an undergraduate starting, at the university of Utah.

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Mh. So I taught at the cathedral of

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the Medal and is a medal choir school.

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Is that awesome, Melissa? Yeah. That's excellent. Not

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just because it's University of Utah. The school

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that I never By idaho. But yes.

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But, yeah. No. That's super interesting. Yeah. They

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do they know you remember the of Jesus

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Christ day saints. They did they didn't know

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that. I had the sign a waiver saying

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that I went talk about

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religion with children.

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That was part of life planet. I just...

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I could say positive things about the cali

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tradition, and sometimes I would use Latin

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from her Catholic

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fathers or other things. As, like, readings in

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class or something like, yeah. Her little things.

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I love the way you phrase that you

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can't talk about religion.

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yeah. It's so primarily you were teaching language

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classes there. Are you teaching by taught? I...

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some and and I think well more Latin

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Mh. They taught mostly... I think I... Would

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There's that fun? Yeah Yeah. When you introduced

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gate becomes an important language kind for the

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Catholic tradition as well as kind of looking

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at how we get the King James Bible

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christianity in Egypt. I've been studying cop,

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I've been He for a long time and

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advanced, greek and Latin students. Yeah and with

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the Hebrew students, and, we're gonna look at

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passages in the Dead sea scrolls

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and in Hebrew, the master text in Hebrew,

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we're gonna look at Arabic text

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Same Not a nerd, Melissa. He's such a

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nerd. Wow.

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Nerd. I told you I want. What is

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Now, brent, I play the role of the

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dumb 1 on the podcast, mainly because I

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But, So I have this question. When I'm

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reading in the book of Mormon, it talks

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about the the Egyptian of their fathers. How

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is Egyptian language that plays into these languages

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you're talking about?

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Again, dumb it down for me. Isn't cop

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real... Isn't cop Egyptian? Well, so cop is

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a later... It's like the latest stage of

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ancient Egyptian.

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Okay. Greeks later, Conquer Egypt,

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and you have the Bat

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just be Greek. And then this becomes a

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a language that

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is probably 80 percent egyptian mixed with 20

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percent Greek and a mostly Greek Alphabet.

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Yeah. And so whenever regret asking that question,

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Melissa? No. The in the book of worm,

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I think there's some debate on what maybe

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a Egyptian might be in the time of

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probably, like, very late egyptian,

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and I'm not an Egypt dermatologist really.

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about reformed

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the I know that they found some techs

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our half egyptian half, Hebrew

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what that might mean in that period.

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and they're all... They all have a lot

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of the same roots.

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When you on pretty far. Kinda like Spanish

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and Italian. Yeah. Exactly. Like that Portuguese. You

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quite as a Russian. Yep. God like that.

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probably with Hebrew and and Egyptian and with

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the the better and arab people

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at the time. So sometimes Brent will substitute

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in the gospel doctrine in class. And I

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remember this 1 time we're studying in the

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bible. And he's like reading along and he's

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like, actually, this word should be better translated

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as sex slave

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or something like that I was like, yeah.

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Britain knows all of the good words in

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the bible. Yeah

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partly when I was in graduate school.

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A lot of my professors were were not

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religious, and they like to focus on some

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Creek who who have a lack of,

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church standards.

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Mh. Nice. I'm trying. We might just say

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call them, like, wicked? W Wicked Greet. Maintenance.

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anyway you went, I just teach the Good

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Aristotle. Yeah. Aristotle,

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the the the stuff that makes us wanna

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be good and be good boys and girls,

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and follow of the 13 third faith.

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You yeah. You don't talk about the other

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stuff at happened. But I... Yeah. I graduate

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school a lot of my professors like to

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Greeks who just believe in the Yellow culture,

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you know, you only live once. Mh yeah.

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And but kind within moderation though is have

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a hurricane idea that you wanna

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have fun, but but without the Las Vegas

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gave a talk.

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This would be, like, 3 or 4 years

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ago. And he talks about this word that

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means covenant,

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and then. They use this word a lot

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in general conference talks and stuff to talk

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about covenant relationships and things like that. You

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need word like he said. Yeah. Yeah. He.

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Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Brent has 2

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books that I really, really like. Maybe he

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has more than this. He has, too. And

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he does something really similar. 1 is with

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the word for faith. Alright? Yeah. And the

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other is with the word for charity. But

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Charity. Grace. Yeah. Yeah. Great. It 3 too,

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though. Yeah. It's Car. But... So real we're

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charity from. So real fast tell us about

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the faith word, And Have a brief summary

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of that book because I think it's simple.

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I then we'll the other 1 too. Okay.

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So the the Facebook... By the way, don't

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make any money from these books.

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Okay. Right you. But is... In in typical

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By Idaho professor style. Yeah. Yeah. I just...

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I know... And and 1 of my friends

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actually had to pit down a lot of

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money just so that By

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studies would publish it just because they had,

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I think... Lots of source checkers. I think

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2500 footnotes.

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Yeah. And and Lots ancient art and they

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had to get permission from

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the At athena anti group to publish. And

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so just lots of resources went into it

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I he's not selling the book. He's not

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doing priest graph right

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this I... Totally greens I I even talked

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about is. I think it's the idea

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and the idea and the the information weren't

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just to get out there. I? Agree. I'm

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glad you're talking about it because I'm gonna

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quote you in Sunday school class did not

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give you credit and act... Like it was

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my original idea. So please. That's why.

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And so anyway, a lot of people think...

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a feeling or an emotion.

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And and today, a lot of times a

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faith is a religious tradition. So someone belongs

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to the muslim

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faith or the catholic faith.

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So faith is is a very passive idea

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in our our world.

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And I just noticed by studying in Greek

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and in graduate school just to pass my

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Phd exams, I had to read pretty much

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everything in Ancient Greek, and be able to

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translate anything at sight without a dictionary. Wow.

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And so I kind of got the idea.

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I... When I read Greek or Latin, Kind

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of read it

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probably,

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like, maybe even like an educated ancient person

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might because I just read all the alerts,

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and I kinda know

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kind of their mindset in general.

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And I noticed,

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you know, several years ago that

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that... There's nothing passive actually about faith and

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and Paul's time or before or Paul's time

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in Ancient Greek. So Paul Paul is writing

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in ancient Greek to Gentile towels in Rome

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and Galatians

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And I'm working on a commentary for the

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By new test of a commentary series where

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I make my own translation.

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And then I have a a commentary on

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what each verse means and why I'm translating

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it this way. Oh, I'm excited about yet.

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That. Yeah. And So I am. I do.

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I read books like that actually. It's good...

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It's it's probably... I don't know how the

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galatians 1. And I'm working with Ava... Ave

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Shannon who is a Hebrew.

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Professor at By pro. Mh.

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So he's doing a lot of the hebrew

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work because

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a lot of the issues he's addressing relates

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to the Lob Moses it policy dressing to

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the galatians, and I'm working on more of

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the Greeks side, but I made the translation.

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And we're supposed to have this by depressed

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by this month, but we're still working on

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it. But I'm the the the author of

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the Romans volume, which is about... It'll be

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about maybe 800 pages.

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Wow. Based when it comes out. But it

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has. I won't read that. Just kidding. I

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didn't... Yeah. It's very I heard 800 pages.

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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's very early. And it's

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probably more of a reference but but... Okay.

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Anyway, I translate

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Romans

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according to how maybe a first century

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Roman actually might

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understand the text. Is we're kinda of my

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goal.

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And so

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Paul talks a lot about this word,

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This

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so we get the word in English epi,

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which is basically the study of how you

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know what you know. Mh.

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And so in the ancient world, knowing things

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actually takes effort. It's not a passive thing.

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And so

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this word pissed

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in plato

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speeches of,

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socrates,

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you start out... Everybody has an opinion, you

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wanna get above that level, and so that's

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called Pest.

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And then when you really have...

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When you really

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no. At a really high level. That's called

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a histamine, but it has that same root

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in it.

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And so

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anyway, if you start to think about it,

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why would Paul

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change the meaning of these greek words that

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have met what they've meant for... Hundreds of

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years to gentile,

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which is actually

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what you kinda would have to think if

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you are interpreting the bible through protestant lenses.

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Right? Or

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evangelical kind of lens. So just to just

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interrupt... So this word Pissed us is actually

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what Paul uses when he meets faith, Yeah.

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This is what... Yeah. When he's talking about

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faith, he's using this word pissed this. So

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if you're,

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Gentile could say, oh, he's talking about...

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Understanding and trust.

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Right? And so...

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And and that, actually, when you really understand

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things,

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either, people or or knowledge,

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abstract things, then you have usually some kind

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of relationship,

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a covenant kind of relationship.

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And and, usually, the Greeks also use it

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in terms of,

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truth,

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So

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so if we're... If you were on a

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understand truth or some work that you have

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to do to get there. And it it

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parallels really well, the the hebrew.

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Stem is Ama oman,

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which is,

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continental trust,

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or faithful faithfulness,

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and we get the word a amen,

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in English,

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comes from actually a hebrew 7 that means,

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like,

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I understand and I,

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I'm gonna be faithful to this idea.

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So so Aim is actually a a covenant

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word.

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Oh,

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So when my children are saying prayers, and

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I disagree who they say. I should not

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say amen. At the end. Yeah. You shouldn't

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say man. Right. And so He He and...

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So He is sometimes translated

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or used with...

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Sometimes it's used with Ama oman or stems

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of that.

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So

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so you have, like, faithfulness and truth Ami.

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Usually, if you set a hebrew, they're kinda

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paired together. Mh.

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And and so...

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So so said actually He has... Kind of

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links to both faith and grace actually, But

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it's a continental

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idea in Hebrew.

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So this idea of, like, faith and works

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You're saying that that word was always associated

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with works. Yeah. There's no dichotomy actually of

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between faith and works. So then

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is James using when he says pay that

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works is dead. Well,

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they're they're talking about works of the the

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law of Moses, not like, not like Christian

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actions, where they're talking about

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fulfilling different... Different details of the Mosaic Law

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is actually what he's referring to. So when

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he saying faith versus works, he's saying

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faith, which already involved some kind of work

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or and then... Yeah. And pay the law

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Moses. Yeah. Versus the law versus fulfilling every

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detail the law moses.

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And in my roman commentary, I'm arguing going

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that, it's faithfulness within the new covenant of

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Jesus versus the covenant of the Law Moses.

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Wow. And in acts chapter 15,

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the disciples do agree that we're gonna keep

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a few things of the Lot Moses, like,

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we're gonna keep the lot of chassis, we're

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not gonna

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eat word meat sacrificed to pagan and aisle

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and things like that. But for the most

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part, faithfulness is now very different within

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this new covenant.

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And then sop pissed, or this idea of

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faith is actually used as a shorthand.

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A lot of times for

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the word covenant. And there's an Oxford scholar.

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Her name is Teresa Morgan,

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and she writes about what faith meant in

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a times. And

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this book came out in 2015,

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And so she talks a lot about how

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but, Christians would never understood faith is, like,

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an emotion or a feeling.

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Which saves people automatically, which is how smartly

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luther through a kelvin use it. Mh. But

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the faith is actually when we understand things

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so we're gonna act as certain. So it

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actually involves action. Mh. And so

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my book shows

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what an ancient person would probably understand by

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Paul's Writings and other chest ryan's. Mh And

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then I look about a look at why

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faith goes off the rails.

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And so t, what we call the apostasy

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in the third century.

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Because they're so much find about what Christians

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believe in what the right understanding is, he

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says that there's 2 types of faith. So

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he helps... It's called the rule of faith,

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which later becomes

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a part of Catholic

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theology.

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The real faith is conformity to what the

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search is teaching or having... Or the means

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by which you have faith. So in Latin

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it's

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quiet... Fide quiet creditor or Fide quad credit

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tour her, Mh. Which is so

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I basically have to live and conforming later

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to Cr if I agree with these certain

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creed about Who god is,

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and

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other things the Catholic church is teaching.

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Then I have faith. And if I don't,

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then I'm a here. A here

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and Greek High is where you you've taken

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something that's true,

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and you've twisted it a little bit.

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And so in the in the middle ages

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to...

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And I go through in this book, and

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I just show... You know, what did Thomas

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a klein or the, you know, different figures.

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And then Luther also and following August augustine,

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he says that faith,

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he has a... He he says that fate

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is just when you have an emotional experience

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that immediately saves you.

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So that's where. So so Luther is gonna

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run with this us and call it,

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with Augustine. It's called

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Salvation by faith alone, it's called Sol fide.

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And so

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if you look at both Catholic and protestant

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theology, they they have different ideas of

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of salvation just by faith alone.

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And then 1 thing I noticed too when

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I was reading

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in the

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experiences that Chills Smith

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describes in his

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first vision account that we have in our

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scriptures, the 18 38 account. He talks about

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how people in his family belong to the

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presbyterian faith. Yeah. So he's actually using the

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terms like people used in the

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nineteenth century.

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But then then he actually looks at James,

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and he acts... Actually exercises faith in a

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very ancient way, which is you try to

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understand things.

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And then you take it to God, and

523
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you try to gain understanding from

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from God through action. Yeah. Okay. And and

525
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then I demonstrate out the book of mormon

526
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and the doctor covenants have a very ancient

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active idea

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of

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understanding knowledge which leads to covenants.

530
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Oh, So kind of, like the gospel restore,

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this point of precious truth.

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And covenants that

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Ne learns from the angel in first

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13 have been lost.

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So it it does seem like there was

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this this kind of 1 direction of faith

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that was like almost obedience. Right?

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Action and obedience.

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Yeah. And then 1 that was, like, if

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you just believe you're saved. Right? Yeah. And

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when you were talking about it like that,

542
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it did relate a lot to me to

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the 2 different ways that we look at

544
00:20:12,356 --> 00:20:15,986
Grace. Right? Yeah. 1 grace is based on

545
00:20:17,164 --> 00:20:18,442
action, doing the right things.

546
00:20:19,162 --> 00:20:21,650
And 1 grace is just you know, the

547
00:20:21,650 --> 00:20:23,581
savior has grace and he covers everything

548
00:20:24,114 --> 00:20:26,419
if you believe in him. So is that?

549
00:20:27,293 --> 00:20:29,451
Related in the same way? Yeah. Kind of,

550
00:20:30,164 --> 00:20:31,377
I would argue that

551
00:20:31,749 --> 00:20:34,601
that faith is a relational concept. So Oh.

552
00:20:35,394 --> 00:20:37,321
Is I think it even makes it easier

553
00:20:37,321 --> 00:20:39,635
when we know that God is loving and

554
00:20:39,635 --> 00:20:40,454
has a body

555
00:20:40,912 --> 00:20:41,870
and is physical,

556
00:20:42,269 --> 00:20:43,407
not not some

557
00:20:44,278 --> 00:20:46,187
force or something. I think also, it may,

558
00:20:46,267 --> 00:20:48,255
you know, the idea of being faithful within

559
00:20:48,255 --> 00:20:48,994
a covenant

560
00:20:49,687 --> 00:20:51,994
makes more sense. So Okay. Be is relational.

561
00:20:52,313 --> 00:20:55,044
Another thing is grace is another relational concept.

562
00:20:55,684 --> 00:20:58,005
And and faith and grace actually are connected

563
00:20:58,005 --> 00:20:59,065
in some ways, but

564
00:20:59,525 --> 00:21:00,585
a lot of churches

565
00:21:01,538 --> 00:21:04,091
protestant and then more August type Catholic in

566
00:21:04,091 --> 00:21:05,686
the West, not not as much in the

567
00:21:05,766 --> 00:21:07,999
Eastern Orthodox Church like Russian Orthodox,

568
00:21:08,717 --> 00:21:10,392
but they would say that

569
00:21:11,363 --> 00:21:13,666
the faith, the the feeling of faith is

570
00:21:13,666 --> 00:21:16,207
just a gift, and so you're automatically safe.

571
00:21:16,922 --> 00:21:18,510
Ancient, though, if you look at what,

572
00:21:19,557 --> 00:21:21,461
what Grace is. The the word that Paul

573
00:21:21,461 --> 00:21:24,001
uses in Greek is Chorus. Chorus is it's

574
00:21:24,001 --> 00:21:24,874
kind of a gut role.

575
00:21:26,223 --> 00:21:28,699
Cara. Yeah. And I don't try... I don't

576
00:21:28,699 --> 00:21:30,153
wanna spit on people. So

577
00:21:30,528 --> 00:21:32,198
because I don't say it. But that's actually

578
00:21:32,198 --> 00:21:34,424
probably how you say it. But but Grace,

579
00:21:34,663 --> 00:21:36,968
or chorus is a as a gift.

580
00:21:37,859 --> 00:21:40,353
And ancient, they they have these very

581
00:21:40,891 --> 00:21:42,008
strat fight societies.

582
00:21:42,646 --> 00:21:43,763
And so usually,

583
00:21:44,162 --> 00:21:44,901
when people

584
00:21:45,214 --> 00:21:47,775
give gifts to other people, they wanna have

585
00:21:47,775 --> 00:21:48,914
a a

586
00:21:49,295 --> 00:21:51,134
relationship with them. Part of it's is probably

587
00:21:51,134 --> 00:21:54,027
survival, but usually, have selling up above someone

588
00:21:54,027 --> 00:21:56,499
else is called vertical reciprocity and sociology.

589
00:21:57,217 --> 00:21:58,971
So the the person below who's getting the

590
00:21:58,971 --> 00:22:00,805
guess, they can't really pay back the person

591
00:22:00,805 --> 00:22:01,922
above them. So if you were to think

592
00:22:01,922 --> 00:22:04,173
of, like, a king giving gifts to a

593
00:22:04,173 --> 00:22:04,492
common.

594
00:22:05,451 --> 00:22:06,431
The king can't

595
00:22:06,810 --> 00:22:08,408
really be repaid by the common,

596
00:22:09,048 --> 00:22:11,705
but the common common is supposed to have

597
00:22:12,259 --> 00:22:14,677
a relationship with a give, and

598
00:22:15,056 --> 00:22:15,875
and do whatever

599
00:22:16,414 --> 00:22:19,530
expectations maybe that the the that he might

600
00:22:19,530 --> 00:22:20,305
be able to

601
00:22:20,662 --> 00:22:22,882
reciprocate with the king. And then the king

602
00:22:23,121 --> 00:22:26,397
Okay. Ancient with reciprocate and give more gifts

603
00:22:26,848 --> 00:22:28,380
to the common, and then

604
00:22:29,089 --> 00:22:31,166
eventually, this is also how people become like

605
00:22:31,166 --> 00:22:32,045
people in anti antiquity.

606
00:22:33,003 --> 00:22:34,841
And so in my my book it's called

607
00:22:34,841 --> 00:22:35,480
relational grace.

608
00:22:36,373 --> 00:22:37,967
There are a lot of techs about how

609
00:22:38,047 --> 00:22:39,083
Grace is actually

610
00:22:40,518 --> 00:22:42,511
a way for people to become, like, or

611
00:22:42,511 --> 00:22:44,319
how are people that become like other people

612
00:22:44,439 --> 00:22:46,660
through relationships and covenants and gift giving.

613
00:22:47,692 --> 00:22:49,755
This sounds very similar to

614
00:22:50,469 --> 00:22:51,207
King Benjamin

615
00:22:51,914 --> 00:22:53,429
having this stage in the book of mormon.

616
00:22:53,588 --> 00:22:55,900
Right? Or he's like, you could work all

617
00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:57,415
your day and night and you could never

618
00:22:57,415 --> 00:22:59,887
repay and he never click can do. He's

619
00:22:59,887 --> 00:23:00,660
still all

620
00:23:01,019 --> 00:23:03,259
he gives you more. Right. So, yeah, That

621
00:23:03,259 --> 00:23:05,180
makes that makes sense in that context. So

622
00:23:05,180 --> 00:23:06,859
that's the... So that's the inside of Grace.

623
00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:09,359
But most people

624
00:23:09,753 --> 00:23:12,064
don't realize there's 2 sides of gray. So

625
00:23:12,223 --> 00:23:14,135
Okay. A lot of people just think that

626
00:23:14,135 --> 00:23:16,206
that Grace is a 1 directional freebie.

627
00:23:16,779 --> 00:23:18,773
So just God gives you all kinds of

628
00:23:18,773 --> 00:23:20,368
things, and you don't have to do anything.

629
00:23:20,926 --> 00:23:21,246
U.

630
00:23:22,043 --> 00:23:24,117
There are people like I I've met in

631
00:23:24,117 --> 00:23:26,191
the church to think that they can.

632
00:23:26,924 --> 00:23:28,842
They can just work to... Their way to

633
00:23:28,842 --> 00:23:30,840
heaven, they don't really need God's gifts or

634
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,319
Jesus?

635
00:23:32,118 --> 00:23:33,637
Yes. And both of those would be wrong.

636
00:23:33,797 --> 00:23:36,009
They both wrong. I've been both of those

637
00:23:36,129 --> 00:23:38,515
people in my life though. Right? Like, we

638
00:23:38,515 --> 00:23:41,220
all have situations where that's our first instinct

639
00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:42,254
is 1 of those things.

640
00:23:43,144 --> 00:23:45,464
So going back to the grace, like angel,

641
00:23:45,545 --> 00:23:47,384
if I'm thinking of a king and a

642
00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:50,445
comb. Yeah. What's the motivation for the king

643
00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:52,196
to give something to the common.

644
00:23:52,755 --> 00:23:55,789
The K wants glory, the king needs supporters,

645
00:23:56,028 --> 00:23:57,066
the king needs help

646
00:23:57,705 --> 00:24:00,514
To help build the king... His kingdom. And

647
00:24:00,514 --> 00:24:02,053
then what happens if the common

648
00:24:02,592 --> 00:24:05,628
receives the gift of grace, but does not

649
00:24:05,628 --> 00:24:08,105
fulfill their obligations. Well, if he if he

650
00:24:08,105 --> 00:24:10,693
doesn't receive the gift, And there's actually some

651
00:24:10,751 --> 00:24:13,244
information about this in doctrine and covenants where

652
00:24:13,621 --> 00:24:15,773
the lord gives things to people, but they

653
00:24:15,773 --> 00:24:17,542
don't do anything with it. But if the

654
00:24:17,542 --> 00:24:19,136
comment doesn't do anything with it, then the

655
00:24:19,136 --> 00:24:20,331
team's is not gonna give any more gifts.

656
00:24:20,650 --> 00:24:22,722
U. And they're not gonna have a relationship.

657
00:24:23,041 --> 00:24:25,605
U. So the king is, like, but s

658
00:24:25,605 --> 00:24:27,038
something on the common,

659
00:24:27,515 --> 00:24:29,266
out of goodwill yeah or a hope to

660
00:24:29,266 --> 00:24:31,573
go bull. And probably love too. I think

661
00:24:31,573 --> 00:24:33,983
that the king just probably loves his people

662
00:24:34,454 --> 00:24:36,229
wants those people to be prosperous.

663
00:24:36,925 --> 00:24:38,700
And then to the extent that the comment

664
00:24:39,237 --> 00:24:39,976
fulfill that

665
00:24:40,592 --> 00:24:42,425
relationship. Yep. Then the comment gets more and

666
00:24:42,425 --> 00:24:44,436
more more and more. Yeah. And eventually, the

667
00:24:44,436 --> 00:24:46,851
the the comment could be collecting king. In

668
00:24:46,910 --> 00:24:49,943
in pulse time, they... In the east, there

669
00:24:49,943 --> 00:24:51,595
are greek kings to do this, but

670
00:24:52,113 --> 00:24:54,429
in the roman system, it's called the client

671
00:24:54,429 --> 00:24:57,382
patron relationship. So the patron gives things to

672
00:24:57,382 --> 00:24:57,941
the clients,

673
00:24:58,580 --> 00:25:00,496
the clients are supposed to res reciprocate in

674
00:25:00,496 --> 00:25:00,975
some way.

675
00:25:01,627 --> 00:25:03,375
And usually, the person who has the most

676
00:25:03,375 --> 00:25:04,828
clients becomes the

677
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,904
the consul or basically the emperor or the

678
00:25:07,904 --> 00:25:10,184
most powerful person in politics. So this is

679
00:25:10,465 --> 00:25:12,865
even how the mafia works today. Yeah. Get

680
00:25:12,865 --> 00:25:14,945
italy or lots of places. Right? It's kinda

681
00:25:14,945 --> 00:25:17,025
weird. Right? Because we live in a democratic

682
00:25:17,025 --> 00:25:17,345
society,

683
00:25:17,838 --> 00:25:19,592
almost everything we look at as a democracy.

684
00:25:19,831 --> 00:25:21,367
So we always think of these

685
00:25:21,983 --> 00:25:23,259
relationships from our context.

686
00:25:23,657 --> 00:25:25,592
But if you lived in a more monarch

687
00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:28,294
society or society that did things differently, than

688
00:25:28,294 --> 00:25:29,807
this concept of grace wouldn't you may be

689
00:25:29,807 --> 00:25:31,400
hard to understand. No. It's super easy. And

690
00:25:31,639 --> 00:25:32,458
I think most

691
00:25:32,834 --> 00:25:34,825
most of the world still lives this way.

692
00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:36,278
Except for maybe the west.

693
00:25:36,917 --> 00:25:38,994
U. Yeah. That's true. It's true It's all

694
00:25:38,994 --> 00:25:40,294
reciprocity between

695
00:25:40,672 --> 00:25:43,402
higher hire people and lower people. And that's

696
00:25:43,402 --> 00:25:45,554
how how society ticks and and how things

697
00:25:45,554 --> 00:25:48,184
get done. Yeah. Right. So from my political

698
00:25:48,184 --> 00:25:51,885
science perspective, I say, okay. Like, we are

699
00:25:52,339 --> 00:25:54,645
presidential candidates who will to win office, and

700
00:25:54,645 --> 00:25:57,030
there's like higher power that's giving money to

701
00:25:57,030 --> 00:25:58,564
us to help us run for office

702
00:25:58,874 --> 00:26:00,153
in order to get great. Maybe it's a

703
00:26:00,153 --> 00:26:02,810
similar kind of Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's... And

704
00:26:03,109 --> 00:26:04,707
and so whoever has the most,

705
00:26:05,426 --> 00:26:08,075
supporters. Mh. And and resources are involved in

706
00:26:08,075 --> 00:26:10,708
that. Right? Yeah. We'll we'll win. But so

707
00:26:10,788 --> 00:26:13,181
I think they're still reciprocity to certain degree.

708
00:26:13,420 --> 00:26:15,590
I think it it kinda santa claus moves

709
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:17,267
away totally from from,

710
00:26:17,905 --> 00:26:19,501
this idea of Reciprocity you know it. And

711
00:26:19,581 --> 00:26:22,316
Martin Luther kinda starts the idea of

712
00:26:23,263 --> 00:26:25,347
altruistic gifts that they're... And post

713
00:26:25,719 --> 00:26:27,938
is is the idea that if you do

714
00:26:27,938 --> 00:26:29,626
receive a gift, you don't have to

715
00:26:30,254 --> 00:26:32,172
reciprocate it. Like, a perfect gift would never

716
00:26:32,172 --> 00:26:35,688
be reciprocate. Mh. But would never understand just

717
00:26:35,688 --> 00:26:36,087
that way.

718
00:26:37,126 --> 00:26:38,265
And and so

719
00:26:38,579 --> 00:26:39,718
there's a guy named,

720
00:26:40,816 --> 00:26:44,651
John Barclay who basically agrees with my position

721
00:26:44,651 --> 00:26:47,294
about Grace, but he's saying, well, maybe in

722
00:26:47,294 --> 00:26:49,542
the present world, it's okay for us to

723
00:26:49,916 --> 00:26:52,062
to perfect guess why they don't have to

724
00:26:52,062 --> 00:26:53,412
be returned with God Now.

725
00:26:54,778 --> 00:26:56,924
But but I... Ancient people would never understand

726
00:26:56,924 --> 00:26:58,935
things. And so that's not how I'm translating

727
00:26:59,548 --> 00:27:01,297
roman or circulation according to how the King

728
00:27:01,376 --> 00:27:02,194
James translators

729
00:27:02,664 --> 00:27:04,263
where they've tried to get rid of the

730
00:27:04,263 --> 00:27:06,420
reciprocal nuances of grace and faith.

731
00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:08,179
So so basically,

732
00:27:08,898 --> 00:27:11,295
if if the comment does or would say

733
00:27:11,295 --> 00:27:12,035
the client

734
00:27:12,507 --> 00:27:14,597
does decide he's gonna reciprocate

735
00:27:15,052 --> 00:27:16,403
that he's gonna get more gifts,

736
00:27:17,278 --> 00:27:19,345
and then he'll have a stronger relationship with

737
00:27:19,345 --> 00:27:21,595
the patron. And then the patron will give

738
00:27:21,595 --> 00:27:23,674
more gifts. So I think in the gospel,

739
00:27:24,315 --> 00:27:26,154
and I've written some... So it's in my

740
00:27:26,154 --> 00:27:27,755
book and and some other articles I published,

741
00:27:27,914 --> 00:27:29,035
but in section 93,

742
00:27:30,087 --> 00:27:32,238
we learned that Jesus became like Heavenly father

743
00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:34,866
Grace for Grace. So I think Is that

744
00:27:34,866 --> 00:27:36,538
heavenly father gave Gifts to Jesus,

745
00:27:37,096 --> 00:27:38,074
he was thankful

746
00:27:38,703 --> 00:27:40,454
He reciprocate through obedience,

747
00:27:41,011 --> 00:27:42,841
then God gave him other gifts, and the

748
00:27:42,921 --> 00:27:44,990
Gospel call probably gifts of the spirit.

749
00:27:45,626 --> 00:27:47,297
The holy ghost is a gift. Right?

750
00:27:48,267 --> 00:27:50,334
And it's at ordinance too. But the holy

751
00:27:50,414 --> 00:27:52,481
Ghost gift special other gifts that will sync,

752
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:53,832
especially the gift of Surety,

753
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:56,393
and then there are other gifts like, the

754
00:27:56,393 --> 00:27:57,372
endowment temple

755
00:27:58,628 --> 00:27:59,527
other covenants

756
00:28:00,144 --> 00:28:00,644
that

757
00:28:01,022 --> 00:28:03,416
what it will enable people through the Holy

758
00:28:03,496 --> 00:28:06,463
Ghost to become like, heavenly my father. Yeah.

759
00:28:06,862 --> 00:28:07,921
And and so

760
00:28:08,458 --> 00:28:10,133
so I... In a lot of ways, I

761
00:28:10,133 --> 00:28:11,511
think prophets have used Chris

762
00:28:11,903 --> 00:28:13,895
making can a shorthand of, like, enabling power,

763
00:28:14,054 --> 00:28:16,205
which is which is what it does. Grace

764
00:28:16,205 --> 00:28:18,436
though itself is actually just a reciprocal gift.

765
00:28:19,088 --> 00:28:22,283
But and it it establishes Continental avant. So

766
00:28:22,417 --> 00:28:24,899
usually, when I'm when I've... And my con

767
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:26,223
translation of Romans,

768
00:28:26,794 --> 00:28:28,794
Whenever I see Grace, I translate as a

769
00:28:28,794 --> 00:28:29,595
cog bond.

770
00:28:30,394 --> 00:28:33,355
Okay. So He said, the word He is

771
00:28:34,075 --> 00:28:35,294
a cog faithfulness.

772
00:28:36,725 --> 00:28:37,941
And and so

773
00:28:38,395 --> 00:28:40,542
so I think Hess describes the whole process,

774
00:28:40,781 --> 00:28:41,758
probably of,

775
00:28:43,247 --> 00:28:44,122
you're becoming faithful.

776
00:28:44,773 --> 00:28:46,687
Mh. And and so sometimes,

777
00:28:47,803 --> 00:28:48,202
the word,

778
00:28:48,919 --> 00:28:49,419
hen

779
00:28:49,956 --> 00:28:52,427
is the hebrew word Can is translated as

780
00:28:52,507 --> 00:28:52,906
Chorus,

781
00:28:53,958 --> 00:28:55,495
sometimes they use other

782
00:28:55,872 --> 00:28:56,372
terminology.

783
00:28:56,830 --> 00:28:58,266
Headset said, I think is just a bigger

784
00:28:58,266 --> 00:29:00,361
concept than just gift giving or

785
00:29:00,834 --> 00:29:03,786
or, faithfulness. It's... I think bigger than that

786
00:29:03,786 --> 00:29:04,345
in hebrew.

787
00:29:04,824 --> 00:29:05,324
That's.

788
00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:09,226
So this is great because this really shifts

789
00:29:09,226 --> 00:29:11,792
my perspective on grace in the sense that,

790
00:29:12,008 --> 00:29:13,223
you know, the whole

791
00:29:13,597 --> 00:29:16,856
dichotomy between grace and works and how much

792
00:29:16,856 --> 00:29:17,412
is what?

793
00:29:18,064 --> 00:29:20,062
It makes more sense to me that the

794
00:29:20,062 --> 00:29:21,761
works is really just the

795
00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:24,218
of the gift. Right? Yeah. They're not really

796
00:29:24,218 --> 00:29:25,757
at opposed each other They're part.

797
00:29:26,376 --> 00:29:29,029
They work together. Yeah. Actually are the same

798
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:31,910
concept really. Yeah. And they're part of building

799
00:29:31,910 --> 00:29:33,910
that relationship, I guess is how you would

800
00:29:33,910 --> 00:29:34,470
say it? Yeah.

801
00:29:35,123 --> 00:29:37,111
And then I think look Mormon nails that

802
00:29:37,111 --> 00:29:37,270
were,

803
00:29:38,144 --> 00:29:39,654
you know, of course Joel Smith is in

804
00:29:39,654 --> 00:29:41,801
a very protestant world where Grace is just

805
00:29:41,801 --> 00:29:42,357
a freebie.

806
00:29:43,407 --> 00:29:45,158
That, oh, I got Grace now I'm saved,

807
00:29:45,318 --> 00:29:46,512
and I don't to do anything. I have

808
00:29:46,512 --> 00:29:48,821
to be a cycle, but it says that

809
00:29:48,821 --> 00:29:49,856
that we

810
00:29:52,265 --> 00:29:52,765
we

811
00:29:53,384 --> 00:29:56,105
hopefully are gonna... As we receive grace,

812
00:29:56,984 --> 00:29:58,664
we're saved by grace after all we can

813
00:29:58,664 --> 00:29:59,565
do. So

814
00:29:59,958 --> 00:30:02,107
So we we get the grace, but we

815
00:30:02,107 --> 00:30:04,019
are responsible to do things. Mh.

816
00:30:04,496 --> 00:30:06,646
But it's the same process. It's just 1

817
00:30:06,646 --> 00:30:09,450
process. Yeah. Yeah. It also makes me think

818
00:30:09,450 --> 00:30:11,522
about the parable of the talents,

819
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:12,740
and

820
00:30:13,196 --> 00:30:15,668
maybe that that's a story of grace. I've

821
00:30:15,668 --> 00:30:17,436
never looked at that as a... Yes. I

822
00:30:17,436 --> 00:30:19,426
think a lot of the terrible are are

823
00:30:19,426 --> 00:30:20,882
have this idea of reciprocity.

824
00:30:21,815 --> 00:30:22,873
You know, there are

825
00:30:23,567 --> 00:30:24,682
are 10:10

826
00:30:24,682 --> 00:30:27,407
le. That are healed and only 1 comes

827
00:30:27,407 --> 00:30:28,045
back to say,

828
00:30:28,683 --> 00:30:30,357
thank you. I mean, they can't really repay

829
00:30:30,437 --> 00:30:32,749
Jesus for healing them, but they can serve

830
00:30:32,749 --> 00:30:33,887
him and be loyal

831
00:30:34,358 --> 00:30:34,858
and

832
00:30:35,632 --> 00:30:38,498
demonstrate that vocal to maybe help other be...

833
00:30:38,737 --> 00:30:39,772
Others become faithful.

834
00:30:40,249 --> 00:30:42,103
And of first, this guy was a Samaritan

835
00:30:42,654 --> 00:30:44,355
which the the Jews would never have a

836
00:30:44,414 --> 00:30:46,015
relationship with, but now the Sum samaritan has

837
00:30:46,015 --> 00:30:47,134
a relationship with Jesus,

838
00:30:47,695 --> 00:30:49,615
and the Jewish people don't. They're and... And

839
00:30:49,615 --> 00:30:51,547
they're not gonna have the... Because they... They're

840
00:30:51,547 --> 00:30:52,845
not willing to reciprocate.

841
00:30:53,223 --> 00:30:54,580
Mh. The the gifts.

842
00:30:56,096 --> 00:30:58,570
So there's another... In your book on faith.

843
00:30:58,730 --> 00:31:00,658
Yep There's the 1 of my favorite sections

844
00:31:00,658 --> 00:31:02,332
as you go through all of these mosaic.

845
00:31:02,491 --> 00:31:03,687
Yeah. You guys are all of us are.

846
00:31:03,847 --> 00:31:04,883
Yeah. And I don't think any,

847
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,329
Teresa Morgan has a little bit about this

848
00:31:07,449 --> 00:31:08,828
book, but I don't think any

849
00:31:09,207 --> 00:31:11,684
protestants Catholics or even lottery saints of connected

850
00:31:11,684 --> 00:31:13,383
faith with handshakes or.

851
00:31:13,762 --> 00:31:15,600
He goes. He goes, like, all the way

852
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,131
back in her time and looks at all

853
00:31:17,131 --> 00:31:18,966
of the art from the ancient world and

854
00:31:18,966 --> 00:31:22,417
shows that when you're, the sign of faith

855
00:31:22,475 --> 00:31:25,426
is a right hat class. Yeah. Yeah Wow.

856
00:31:26,479 --> 00:31:28,235
Yeah. So why why is that? What is

857
00:31:28,235 --> 00:31:31,029
that? What's going on there? So ancient,

858
00:31:31,987 --> 00:31:34,143
when you when you shake someone's head, and

859
00:31:34,143 --> 00:31:35,500
there's lots of things in Hebrew and

860
00:31:36,154 --> 00:31:38,394
As well. It's not really my specialty.

861
00:31:39,275 --> 00:31:41,035
And probably the Greeks and Romans maybe I've

862
00:31:41,035 --> 00:31:43,115
gotten this back, you know, from really early

863
00:31:43,115 --> 00:31:44,095
cultures, but

864
00:31:44,727 --> 00:31:46,633
If you... When, when you shake someone's had,

865
00:31:46,791 --> 00:31:48,459
they can't have anything in their hand. They

866
00:31:48,459 --> 00:31:50,285
can't have a weapon to hurt you. Mh.

867
00:31:50,602 --> 00:31:52,825
Okay. Right. So it's showing that people are

868
00:31:52,825 --> 00:31:53,143
unarmed,

869
00:31:53,872 --> 00:31:56,647
and that they have every intention of being

870
00:31:56,647 --> 00:31:57,122
faithful.

871
00:31:57,757 --> 00:32:01,031
So Roman generals on a battlefield would send

872
00:32:01,737 --> 00:32:05,338
literally, a a hand to another person

873
00:32:05,713 --> 00:32:07,940
to to make a peace treaty. Really, have

874
00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:08,815
a g of a hand,

875
00:32:09,864 --> 00:32:12,095
There's all... And that's actually the way that

876
00:32:12,095 --> 00:32:14,905
that a person becomes faithful is when they

877
00:32:15,122 --> 00:32:17,605
when they shake someone's right hand. And And

878
00:32:17,605 --> 00:32:19,034
it's in the great culture as well. And

879
00:32:19,034 --> 00:32:20,883
so in my book, I have all these

880
00:32:21,177 --> 00:32:21,653
these

881
00:32:22,764 --> 00:32:25,542
epi etfs or or sculptures of hands,

882
00:32:26,034 --> 00:32:27,940
Yeah. And then the early Christians also use

883
00:32:27,940 --> 00:32:30,243
it as a way to show that people

884
00:32:30,243 --> 00:32:31,832
are faithful to god or or when they're

885
00:32:31,832 --> 00:32:33,817
getting married within a marriage covenant. So...

886
00:32:34,707 --> 00:32:36,857
Okay. 1 of the earliest churches in Italy,

887
00:32:37,016 --> 00:32:37,835
Santa maria.

888
00:32:38,927 --> 00:32:41,077
You have the marriage of Moses to Sephora

889
00:32:41,077 --> 00:32:42,351
and they're shaking right hands.

890
00:32:43,242 --> 00:32:45,475
With Jet who is a symbol of the

891
00:32:45,634 --> 00:32:47,069
Mel kiss priest. Mh.

892
00:32:47,946 --> 00:32:49,860
And you... There's... The 1 that I remember

893
00:32:49,860 --> 00:32:51,135
is there's a man who's...

894
00:32:51,629 --> 00:32:53,543
Wife is dead or something is bringing her

895
00:32:53,543 --> 00:32:55,717
from the gray? Yeah. So there is a

896
00:32:56,174 --> 00:32:59,204
a Christian early Christian cat. A lot of

897
00:32:59,204 --> 00:33:02,173
people debate what type what flavor of christianity.

898
00:33:02,971 --> 00:33:05,368
But basically, his his wife has passed away,

899
00:33:05,608 --> 00:33:07,765
and she is entering the heavenly banquet,

900
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,679
and he grabs her by the right hand

901
00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:12,419
through the veil and pulls her through and

902
00:33:12,419 --> 00:33:13,400
he's dressed in

903
00:33:13,859 --> 00:33:16,740
special clothing that also symbolizes covenants. I probably

904
00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:18,672
shouldn't talk too much about this, but. I

905
00:33:18,672 --> 00:33:19,172
think

906
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:21,463
your because... Yeah. It's... You can just look

907
00:33:21,463 --> 00:33:23,457
at the pictures. Yeah. It's so cool. Yeah.

908
00:33:23,776 --> 00:33:25,450
And... On when... What is this date to?

909
00:33:25,849 --> 00:33:26,965
It dates to the fourth century.

910
00:33:27,379 --> 00:33:29,231
Yeah. Wow. I with 1 of the earliest

911
00:33:29,446 --> 00:33:30,821
Kris, you know, really

912
00:33:31,196 --> 00:33:33,502
full Christian artwork works that we have from

913
00:33:33,581 --> 00:33:33,979
Italy.

914
00:33:34,536 --> 00:33:36,205
And then in some of the churches in

915
00:33:36,285 --> 00:33:36,762
Raven,

916
00:33:37,493 --> 00:33:38,709
you have also

917
00:33:39,243 --> 00:33:40,436
the hand of God

918
00:33:41,311 --> 00:33:42,027
on pillars.

919
00:33:42,902 --> 00:33:44,732
And it seems that the byzantines when they

920
00:33:44,732 --> 00:33:45,607
recon conquer Raven,

921
00:33:46,258 --> 00:33:48,566
they they have the ceremony where God will

922
00:33:48,566 --> 00:33:49,680
pull you through the veil.

923
00:33:50,475 --> 00:33:52,305
And so if you look at the the

924
00:33:52,305 --> 00:33:52,782
earliest,

925
00:33:53,671 --> 00:33:54,306
coin of

926
00:33:54,861 --> 00:33:56,924
when they try to portray constantine as a

927
00:33:57,003 --> 00:33:57,399
Christian.

928
00:33:58,113 --> 00:33:59,700
And I I have this coin. It's also...

929
00:33:59,858 --> 00:34:02,277
There's some pictures in the book, But constantine

930
00:34:02,412 --> 00:34:04,476
when he dies is considered a good christian

931
00:34:04,476 --> 00:34:05,984
because he gets pulled by the right hand

932
00:34:05,984 --> 00:34:07,016
of god through the veil.

933
00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:09,412
Yeah. And then a lot of a lot

934
00:34:09,412 --> 00:34:11,481
of early Krishna will have the right hand

935
00:34:11,481 --> 00:34:14,106
of God coming through the veil. And sometimes

936
00:34:14,106 --> 00:34:15,140
the right hand of guy will be holding

937
00:34:15,140 --> 00:34:15,617
a crown.

938
00:34:16,347 --> 00:34:18,650
Showing that the person as the person goes

939
00:34:18,650 --> 00:34:20,421
through available is gonna become a king

940
00:34:21,271 --> 00:34:23,335
or a queen. And so you'll have a

941
00:34:23,335 --> 00:34:26,636
hand, like, covering over the person with a

942
00:34:26,773 --> 00:34:28,844
a crown. And so I collect ancient Roman

943
00:34:28,844 --> 00:34:31,176
coins. I I studied New hispanics

944
00:34:31,552 --> 00:34:33,008
in graduate school, but

945
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:36,039
I spent probably 800 dollars to get an

946
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:38,360
arcadia coin as a Christian Emperor, and then

947
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,119
you have the right hand of God coming

948
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:42,234
down for the veil with that. A.

949
00:34:42,773 --> 00:34:44,131
It's not in the... This 1 doesn't in

950
00:34:44,131 --> 00:34:44,531
the book.

951
00:34:45,410 --> 00:34:46,208
I'm giving us

952
00:34:46,928 --> 00:34:48,866
a paper at the temple conference

953
00:34:50,057 --> 00:34:52,610
that's coming up. Wow, and I think it's

954
00:34:52,610 --> 00:34:54,526
in October, but... I'm gonna show a lot

955
00:34:54,526 --> 00:34:55,882
more pictures that aren't in the book of

956
00:34:55,882 --> 00:34:56,281
coins.

957
00:34:57,093 --> 00:34:59,003
And another... There's a lot of early Christian

958
00:34:59,003 --> 00:35:01,152
artwork where Jesus gets pulled by the right

959
00:35:01,152 --> 00:35:02,267
hand of God through the veil.

960
00:35:03,063 --> 00:35:04,576
This is where he doesn't make any money

961
00:35:04,576 --> 00:35:06,100
off the book. Yeah. Because he has to

962
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:07,951
pay royalty. You just saw home

963
00:35:08,802 --> 00:35:10,549
artwork and it's such a pain to published

964
00:35:10,549 --> 00:35:12,867
stuff like this. Right? So Yeah. That's very

965
00:35:12,867 --> 00:35:14,931
cool. I'm sure about money is another bad

966
00:35:14,931 --> 00:35:15,090
thing.

967
00:35:16,122 --> 00:35:19,614
Yeah. Also very By. Idaho professor answer.

968
00:35:20,979 --> 00:35:22,811
Yeah. I know I... I've never cared very

969
00:35:22,811 --> 00:35:24,803
much about money. That's a bad thing. My

970
00:35:24,803 --> 00:35:25,600
wife doesn't like that.

971
00:35:26,715 --> 00:35:28,547
So I I went to the punch up

972
00:35:28,547 --> 00:35:30,514
in Vegas and got myself a widow, my

973
00:35:30,634 --> 00:35:32,067
Yeah. And I was so excited. I was

974
00:35:32,067 --> 00:35:34,534
like, I've got this ancient coin, a widow

975
00:35:34,534 --> 00:35:36,763
mite, but now I realized Brent has way

976
00:35:36,763 --> 00:35:37,639
better coins. Wow.

977
00:35:38,929 --> 00:35:40,367
When I was in Graduate school, I had

978
00:35:40,367 --> 00:35:41,586
the catalog the

979
00:35:42,045 --> 00:35:44,522
nicest, the best roman coin collection in North

980
00:35:44,762 --> 00:35:48,127
America. Wow. So this spec donated

981
00:35:48,525 --> 00:35:50,990
think he's about 50000000 dollar Roman coin collection

982
00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:53,059
to the university of Colorado on Boulder.

983
00:35:54,107 --> 00:35:56,090
And so it has every issue of every

984
00:35:56,090 --> 00:35:59,344
grown and gold, silver and bronze and almost

985
00:35:59,344 --> 00:35:59,844
perfect.

986
00:36:00,454 --> 00:36:03,025
Wow And so some other graduate since we

987
00:36:03,025 --> 00:36:04,724
catalog the collection. And so

988
00:36:05,105 --> 00:36:07,125
I I do have a a friend who

989
00:36:08,065 --> 00:36:08,920
who collects

990
00:36:09,276 --> 00:36:10,625
ancient coins and and got a lot of

991
00:36:10,625 --> 00:36:12,450
coins from this Smithsonian, and 1 of the

992
00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:14,140
the collector for this smithsonian

993
00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:17,076
passed away and from his widow and daughter

994
00:36:17,782 --> 00:36:19,612
he get... He's gotten all these coins and

995
00:36:19,612 --> 00:36:20,351
and so

996
00:36:20,806 --> 00:36:23,033
he's been selling to me very very nicely

997
00:36:23,033 --> 00:36:23,670
at his cost.

998
00:36:24,957 --> 00:36:27,104
Have quite the collection. Actually, how I got

999
00:36:27,104 --> 00:36:28,137
a lot of these coins with the handshakes.

1000
00:36:28,296 --> 00:36:29,750
But I noticed when I was looking

1001
00:36:30,284 --> 00:36:32,762
and catalog this wrong quick collection that when

1002
00:36:32,762 --> 00:36:34,667
they become Christian, they... Some some of the

1003
00:36:34,667 --> 00:36:36,413
coins will have these right... These hand class.

1004
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:38,795
But the Romans did it even before the

1005
00:36:38,874 --> 00:36:39,929
Christians, there's a

1006
00:36:40,318 --> 00:36:42,012
There's a picture of a

1007
00:36:42,467 --> 00:36:45,014
cy in the book where the emperor,

1008
00:36:45,650 --> 00:36:47,344
Had and then anton Pious

1009
00:36:47,799 --> 00:36:49,254
through these 2 roman emperors

1010
00:36:49,963 --> 00:36:50,860
they're actually

1011
00:36:51,633 --> 00:36:53,167
shaking hands with the army

1012
00:36:53,542 --> 00:36:54,996
to show they have a good covenant

1013
00:36:55,371 --> 00:36:57,058
relationship with the army, and then when they

1014
00:36:57,058 --> 00:36:59,052
get married, when romans get married, they also

1015
00:36:59,052 --> 00:37:00,828
have right hand class. And my friend brother

1016
00:37:01,126 --> 00:37:02,801
John Welch, goes by Jack,

1017
00:37:03,439 --> 00:37:05,194
he let... He let me use some pictures

1018
00:37:05,194 --> 00:37:06,390
of roman wedding rings,

1019
00:37:07,361 --> 00:37:09,272
And they have hand class and other things

1020
00:37:09,272 --> 00:37:11,740
on too. Wow And they're roman seals that

1021
00:37:11,740 --> 00:37:14,868
have the hand class that that represents faith

1022
00:37:15,658 --> 00:37:16,397
and so.

1023
00:37:16,854 --> 00:37:18,449
I probably shouldn't talk about how this is

1024
00:37:18,449 --> 00:37:20,443
related to the temple. But if you're... No,

1025
00:37:20,523 --> 00:37:22,516
but I think it's probably okay to say

1026
00:37:22,516 --> 00:37:24,750
that probably Joseph Smith didn't have this information.

1027
00:37:25,162 --> 00:37:26,353
Yeah. And a lot of people will say,

1028
00:37:26,512 --> 00:37:28,179
well, he got it from the Mason. And

1029
00:37:28,179 --> 00:37:29,291
if you look at it, well,

1030
00:37:30,323 --> 00:37:31,991
this is just everywhere all over the ancient

1031
00:37:31,991 --> 00:37:34,474
world and and Mason got it from the

1032
00:37:34,474 --> 00:37:35,670
ancient world in. Mh.

1033
00:37:36,467 --> 00:37:38,858
I I believe it was restored with the

1034
00:37:38,858 --> 00:37:42,143
authority to do it. But... Yeah. Right. So,

1035
00:37:42,302 --> 00:37:44,777
Melissa, there's questions I have for Brent about

1036
00:37:44,777 --> 00:37:46,692
his life because he's just a fascinating person.

1037
00:37:46,932 --> 00:37:48,767
Yeah. But before we move on, then anything

1038
00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:50,019
else Wanna hear about those

1039
00:37:50,777 --> 00:37:52,452
No. But I do have a question that's

1040
00:37:52,452 --> 00:37:55,324
not about his life. Okay. So about... I

1041
00:37:55,324 --> 00:37:56,919
don't know. A couple years ago, you got

1042
00:37:56,919 --> 00:37:59,072
me started on this app, the blue letter

1043
00:37:59,072 --> 00:38:01,638
bible app. Yeah. And I can open it

1044
00:38:01,638 --> 00:38:04,428
up and pick any different translation of the

1045
00:38:04,507 --> 00:38:06,341
Bible and compare it side by side to

1046
00:38:06,341 --> 00:38:07,616
the King James version.

1047
00:38:08,268 --> 00:38:10,334
And I've been loving that, especially when we

1048
00:38:10,334 --> 00:38:12,344
were income follow me in, like, the Bible

1049
00:38:12,479 --> 00:38:12,797
years.

1050
00:38:13,989 --> 00:38:15,498
What do you think about those kinds of

1051
00:38:15,498 --> 00:38:16,634
tools? Do you think

1052
00:38:17,024 --> 00:38:18,620
like, do you think they... I don't know

1053
00:38:18,779 --> 00:38:20,694
Like, sometimes I read 1 of the translations,

1054
00:38:20,854 --> 00:38:22,210
and I'm, like, I could have written this.

1055
00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:24,046
Anybody could come up with this language?

1056
00:38:24,619 --> 00:38:26,286
But at the same time, it's helpful. So

1057
00:38:26,365 --> 00:38:28,112
I'm just wondering your viewpoint on that. Well,

1058
00:38:28,271 --> 00:38:29,463
yeah. I am not a fan of it

1059
00:38:29,463 --> 00:38:31,050
but there's a couple of reasons. I'll try

1060
00:38:31,050 --> 00:38:31,606
to be brief.

1061
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:33,059
So

1062
00:38:34,965 --> 00:38:35,204
Anyway,

1063
00:38:36,005 --> 00:38:38,244
I was I was basically trained in Greek

1064
00:38:38,244 --> 00:38:40,965
and Latin by reading what Greek and Latin

1065
00:38:40,965 --> 00:38:43,535
man at at Pulse time, and usually, the

1066
00:38:43,535 --> 00:38:46,184
the protestant dictionaries, that the blue letter bible

1067
00:38:46,481 --> 00:38:46,958
uses.

1068
00:38:47,595 --> 00:38:50,460
They're basically what the the tradition of the

1069
00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:52,389
church is interpreted the words to being over

1070
00:38:52,389 --> 00:38:54,383
a couple thousand years, not what the words

1071
00:38:54,383 --> 00:38:57,573
actually met in in Paul's time. So the

1072
00:38:57,573 --> 00:38:59,668
dictionary I like to use is the Oxford

1073
00:39:00,458 --> 00:39:01,916
The Oxford lexicon.

1074
00:39:02,692 --> 00:39:05,085
It's called the little little Scott and Jones.

1075
00:39:05,324 --> 00:39:07,079
And in my office, it's about this thick

1076
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,014
it weighs about 15 pounds, but it's this

1077
00:39:09,312 --> 00:39:09,812
enormous

1078
00:39:10,682 --> 00:39:11,878
that they started to put together in the

1079
00:39:11,878 --> 00:39:14,347
nineteenth century. But it just has every use

1080
00:39:14,347 --> 00:39:16,281
of every word in

1081
00:39:17,375 --> 00:39:19,628
in all of Greek literature or lot literature

1082
00:39:20,256 --> 00:39:22,478
Okay. Instead of instead of what Martin Luther

1083
00:39:22,478 --> 00:39:24,701
thought it meant or what August augustine thought

1084
00:39:24,701 --> 00:39:26,447
it meant, then that becomes part of this

1085
00:39:26,447 --> 00:39:29,327
protestant greek. Or latin dictionary. So when we

1086
00:39:29,327 --> 00:39:31,558
when we study the Bible, I would always

1087
00:39:31,558 --> 00:39:33,253
open up the new living

1088
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:36,833
state translation. U. Yeah. Because it's so easy

1089
00:39:36,833 --> 00:39:38,746
to read. Yeah. And my daughter fresh off

1090
00:39:38,746 --> 00:39:40,260
her mission would get Mad. And she's, like,

1091
00:39:40,579 --> 00:39:42,652
you should always believe that Joseph swift translation

1092
00:39:42,652 --> 00:39:44,262
over that. And also because she served in

1093
00:39:44,581 --> 00:39:46,357
Oklahoma, so there were a lot of evangelical

1094
00:39:46,416 --> 00:39:49,128
around. Right. She hated that translation. Do you

1095
00:39:49,128 --> 00:39:52,413
hate that translation too? I actually think that

1096
00:39:52,413 --> 00:39:54,804
that people should make their own translations. And

1097
00:39:54,804 --> 00:39:57,594
so... Oh, so for this commentary, I've I've

1098
00:39:57,594 --> 00:40:00,001
made my own translation. Mh. And I can't

1099
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,834
I can't do that. I helped edit all

1100
00:40:01,834 --> 00:40:03,428
the other ones. I teach teach Greek. I'm

1101
00:40:03,428 --> 00:40:05,101
teaching Group 1 next to. Oh we should

1102
00:40:05,101 --> 00:40:07,904
all learn. Yeah. So Mh So I think

1103
00:40:07,904 --> 00:40:09,492
we should all learn Greek and learn Great

1104
00:40:09,492 --> 00:40:11,796
from the time of fall and then just

1105
00:40:11,796 --> 00:40:14,021
rein what although the... Especially the doctor words.

1106
00:40:14,179 --> 00:40:15,553
I think most of the words like

1107
00:40:15,943 --> 00:40:17,859
This guy went to a a church or

1108
00:40:17,859 --> 00:40:19,933
something. The... Most of the stories, I think

1109
00:40:19,933 --> 00:40:21,289
the groot is fine. But I think whenever

1110
00:40:21,289 --> 00:40:23,045
there's a doctor. Oh, okay.

1111
00:40:24,099 --> 00:40:25,318
Doctor maybe

1112
00:40:26,896 --> 00:40:27,775
significant passage.

1113
00:40:28,414 --> 00:40:30,253
I think it's always important to look at

1114
00:40:30,253 --> 00:40:32,411
what the greek words being and Paul's time

1115
00:40:32,411 --> 00:40:32,810
not what.

1116
00:40:33,464 --> 00:40:33,784
The...

1117
00:40:34,743 --> 00:40:35,642
These these

1118
00:40:36,021 --> 00:40:36,761
these protestant

1119
00:40:37,699 --> 00:40:39,697
translators later want the words to mean to

1120
00:40:39,697 --> 00:40:41,868
fit with Luther or or August augustine. But,

1121
00:40:41,947 --> 00:40:44,409
like, for me, I cannot understand old English.

1122
00:40:44,726 --> 00:40:47,506
Like, I read Isaiah in old English, and

1123
00:40:47,506 --> 00:40:48,935
then I read it in the new living

1124
00:40:48,935 --> 00:40:50,206
standard, and I'm like, oh, I get that.

1125
00:40:50,364 --> 00:40:51,733
And then I say, This is what it

1126
00:40:51,733 --> 00:40:53,489
means and my wife's, like, of course, that's

1127
00:40:53,489 --> 00:40:55,164
what It means. It says that yeah, the

1128
00:40:55,164 --> 00:40:57,400
king James Brown. Right. It didn't make any

1129
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,996
sense to me. So you're okay if I

1130
00:40:58,996 --> 00:41:01,005
do that. If III think if there's no

1131
00:41:01,005 --> 00:41:01,744
big doctor

1132
00:41:02,999 --> 00:41:04,993
issues. Right for the verse, probably,

1133
00:41:05,391 --> 00:41:08,024
most translations are just fine. Okay. But but

1134
00:41:08,024 --> 00:41:09,874
whenever we get into words, like, the nature...

1135
00:41:10,034 --> 00:41:11,711
What the nature of god is or grace

1136
00:41:11,711 --> 00:41:12,850
or faith or

1137
00:41:13,309 --> 00:41:16,105
or Yeah. There's there's other things. We should

1138
00:41:16,105 --> 00:41:18,824
be caught. Yeah. Cautious. I think whenever, especially

1139
00:41:18,824 --> 00:41:20,255
with the nature of God, I think that's

1140
00:41:20,255 --> 00:41:21,073
another area

1141
00:41:21,606 --> 00:41:22,106
where

1142
00:41:23,355 --> 00:41:23,855
the

1143
00:41:24,564 --> 00:41:26,562
where our Jewish friends and our Christian friends

1144
00:41:26,562 --> 00:41:28,240
have decided that God hasn't have a audience

1145
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:29,838
and so they've tried to interpret Hebrew.

1146
00:41:30,557 --> 00:41:32,336
They tried to take out all the morph

1147
00:41:32,395 --> 00:41:34,163
from the x what to which you're actually

1148
00:41:34,163 --> 00:41:34,402
there.

1149
00:41:35,755 --> 00:41:37,745
So so, anyway, on uncertain words,

1150
00:41:38,461 --> 00:41:40,633
in the book of mormon says that the

1151
00:41:41,503 --> 00:41:43,257
the Bible when it was, you know, when

1152
00:41:43,257 --> 00:41:44,772
it first came out and this is in

1153
00:41:44,772 --> 00:41:45,809
first by 13,

1154
00:41:46,607 --> 00:41:48,680
had the fullness of the gospel, but plaintiff

1155
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,409
precious trees and covenants were removed. Mh. So

1156
00:41:51,489 --> 00:41:53,806
I think, also, any, like, priest language of

1157
00:41:53,806 --> 00:41:55,025
covenants, I'm always

1158
00:41:55,405 --> 00:41:57,802
skeptical about how they translate things and... Whenever

1159
00:41:57,962 --> 00:41:59,320
I look at the Greeks, sometimes I find

1160
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,414
things that are I really surprised about.

1161
00:42:02,135 --> 00:42:03,894
Okay. Yeah. That was a... That was a

1162
00:42:03,894 --> 00:42:06,614
good answer. I appreciate that. Yeah. So, Melissa,

1163
00:42:06,694 --> 00:42:08,614
you probably noticed that Brent brought this book

1164
00:42:08,614 --> 00:42:10,302
in with him. U. Did you know that

1165
00:42:10,382 --> 00:42:11,359
Brent reads

1166
00:42:11,733 --> 00:42:14,275
1 book every single day. Hey.

1167
00:42:15,387 --> 00:42:17,214
I've been doing that during this summer. I'm

1168
00:42:17,214 --> 00:42:20,344
a library. And. So yeah. Stuff. So I...

1169
00:42:20,585 --> 00:42:22,824
We probably don't read the same books. But

1170
00:42:22,824 --> 00:42:24,744
during the summer, that's my goal too, but

1171
00:42:24,744 --> 00:42:27,552
it's so hard. Isn't it hard? It's hard

1172
00:42:27,552 --> 00:42:29,966
lot. Yeah. I I have to read all

1173
00:42:30,264 --> 00:42:31,540
all day long some days.

1174
00:42:32,178 --> 00:42:33,374
I read them when I'm at church a

1175
00:42:33,374 --> 00:42:34,012
lot of times.

1176
00:42:35,623 --> 00:42:36,501
Mattis, you me reed...

1177
00:42:37,538 --> 00:42:39,454
Partly partly just so I don't... You know,

1178
00:42:39,693 --> 00:42:41,050
yell at people for... When I see Brent

1179
00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:42,725
Reading in church, I sit down and I

1180
00:42:42,725 --> 00:42:44,331
say, Let's talk about Jesus.

1181
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:46,398
Right.

1182
00:42:47,114 --> 00:42:49,021
I can imagine Sunday school could be frustrating.

1183
00:42:49,498 --> 00:42:51,190
And can't... It's just awkward sometimes...

1184
00:42:51,565 --> 00:42:51,803
Yeah.

1185
00:42:52,772 --> 00:42:54,603
So so how do you decide what you're

1186
00:42:54,603 --> 00:42:56,514
gonna read every day? I mean, that's a

1187
00:42:56,514 --> 00:42:58,425
lot of an information to cover? 1 a

1188
00:42:58,425 --> 00:43:00,988
day. That's a lot. Yeah. I1A day. Partly,

1189
00:43:01,147 --> 00:43:02,263
a lot of it has to with what

1190
00:43:02,263 --> 00:43:04,573
projects I'm working on. Mh. And I actually

1191
00:43:04,573 --> 00:43:06,884
don't like publishing books on on Grace or

1192
00:43:06,884 --> 00:43:08,398
faith. It's just no 1 is doing that.

1193
00:43:08,717 --> 00:43:10,723
Right. And I think somebody needs I don't

1194
00:43:10,723 --> 00:43:12,152
know. I feel like somebody has to do

1195
00:43:12,152 --> 00:43:12,311
it.

1196
00:43:13,184 --> 00:43:15,726
Honestly, I'd rather not translate Romans and galatians,

1197
00:43:15,885 --> 00:43:18,132
but but no 1 in promo accepted

1198
00:43:18,998 --> 00:43:20,374
that did. And so

1199
00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:22,682
I've had to read hundreds of books on

1200
00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:25,208
galatians enrollments just for this commentary. So I

1201
00:43:25,208 --> 00:43:26,641
have big stacks of books at my house.

1202
00:43:27,133 --> 00:43:29,278
Sometimes I just like to read just what

1203
00:43:29,278 --> 00:43:31,503
a, you know, Brandon and Sanders. Right. Yeah.

1204
00:43:32,536 --> 00:43:34,536
Yeah. And all not that Usually,

1205
00:43:35,251 --> 00:43:36,364
1 and those in a day, though.

1206
00:43:37,158 --> 00:43:37,396
Oh,

1207
00:43:38,111 --> 00:43:40,097
prep is not read fiction. I'm not too

1208
00:43:40,097 --> 00:43:42,162
long whole cortisol also says that fiction is

1209
00:43:42,162 --> 00:43:44,482
better than the on fiction because Yeah. You

1210
00:43:44,482 --> 00:43:46,336
have to understand human in nature better

1211
00:43:47,269 --> 00:43:49,977
he's the right fiction. Right? Yeah. And think

1212
00:43:49,977 --> 00:43:51,649
of this, and, think of the hundreds of

1213
00:43:51,649 --> 00:43:53,978
books he's read. He's never read my book

1214
00:43:53,978 --> 00:43:57,334
either. Vanessa. 0II haven't it either. Yeah. I

1215
00:43:57,334 --> 00:43:58,692
thought he could read it in a day

1216
00:43:58,692 --> 00:44:00,450
though. I don't. Did you give me your

1217
00:44:00,450 --> 00:44:03,093
much? Mona no. It's... I gave it to

1218
00:44:03,252 --> 00:44:04,764
Melissa, and she doesn't even keep it on

1219
00:44:04,764 --> 00:44:06,595
her books shall No. I keep it on

1220
00:44:06,595 --> 00:44:07,948
my books shelf. It's just on the part

1221
00:44:07,948 --> 00:44:09,699
of the books shelf that's covered with a

1222
00:44:09,699 --> 00:44:11,789
cupboard door. It's double that.

1223
00:44:12,989 --> 00:44:15,710
Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a tough read. It's

1224
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:17,630
a nice a pickle book, But I'll I'll

1225
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:19,045
tell you the story. I I had this

1226
00:44:19,164 --> 00:44:21,484
I I studied this really famous greek scholar,

1227
00:44:22,364 --> 00:44:24,364
and he taught it... He was for Germany,

1228
00:44:24,444 --> 00:44:25,565
and he taught a lot of the the

1229
00:44:25,565 --> 00:44:26,844
best universities of Germany.

1230
00:44:27,339 --> 00:44:29,173
He taught it's the big Ivy league schools

1231
00:44:29,173 --> 00:44:29,333
here.

1232
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:32,443
And he... 1 day I was chatting with

1233
00:44:32,443 --> 00:44:33,720
him, and I asked him what the secret...

1234
00:44:33,959 --> 00:44:35,634
To his success was had published over a

1235
00:44:35,634 --> 00:44:36,910
hundred and 10 academic books.

1236
00:44:37,643 --> 00:44:39,397
Wow. Maybe a thousand articles.

1237
00:44:40,194 --> 00:44:41,868
And he told me the secret his success

1238
00:44:41,868 --> 00:44:43,782
was he read 2 academic books a day.

1239
00:44:44,101 --> 00:44:45,456
220.

1240
00:44:46,510 --> 00:44:48,369
And and so this was probably

1241
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:50,589
20 years ago, but I decided...

1242
00:44:51,389 --> 00:44:52,829
I don't think I I don't think my

1243
00:44:52,829 --> 00:44:54,920
wife would also put up with 2. But

1244
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,037
I about maybe 1.

1245
00:44:56,835 --> 00:44:58,431
And I and I... So I started reading

1246
00:44:58,431 --> 00:45:00,826
1 a day. This is maybe 20 years

1247
00:45:00,826 --> 00:45:01,639
ago. Mh.

1248
00:45:03,235 --> 00:45:05,071
I've pretty much... Sometimes I've read even 2

1249
00:45:05,071 --> 00:45:07,785
books a today day occasionally but So. Are

1250
00:45:07,785 --> 00:45:09,482
you reading in other languages?

1251
00:45:10,273 --> 00:45:12,976
Yeah. Usually, the books I read, they have,

1252
00:45:13,135 --> 00:45:13,374
yeah,

1253
00:45:14,090 --> 00:45:17,191
other languages and footnotes or things. German, Especially,

1254
00:45:17,429 --> 00:45:17,668
French,

1255
00:45:18,798 --> 00:45:20,396
So when you said you were a bible

1256
00:45:20,396 --> 00:45:21,755
nerd, what you really meant is you're just

1257
00:45:21,755 --> 00:45:23,911
a nerd? I'm nerd. Yeah.

1258
00:45:24,391 --> 00:45:25,349
That's that's Friday.

1259
00:45:26,322 --> 00:45:28,077
Well, there's a bible stay away. Right?

1260
00:45:29,035 --> 00:45:31,029
There's another thing about Brent that I think

1261
00:45:31,029 --> 00:45:33,275
will lead to an interesting discussion. So your

1262
00:45:33,275 --> 00:45:35,578
wife is not from the United States. Where

1263
00:45:35,578 --> 00:45:37,723
she from. My wife is from Chile. Oh.

1264
00:45:38,438 --> 00:45:40,423
And and senior you're born in Spanish. Yeah.

1265
00:45:40,661 --> 00:45:43,065
We speak Spanish at home and Awesome. Before

1266
00:45:43,065 --> 00:45:45,085
we, we used to go to a

1267
00:45:45,464 --> 00:45:46,605
a Spanish word

1268
00:45:46,905 --> 00:45:48,344
where I was 1 of the very few

1269
00:45:48,344 --> 00:45:48,824
g.

1270
00:45:49,545 --> 00:45:51,873
Yeah. And and I was also the work

1271
00:45:51,873 --> 00:45:54,025
clerk. And so a lot of my best

1272
00:45:54,025 --> 00:45:55,538
friends actually only speaks Spanish.

1273
00:45:56,335 --> 00:45:58,167
Yeah. And and I've traveled... I do a

1274
00:45:58,167 --> 00:46:00,021
lot of world travel as well, And

1275
00:46:00,333 --> 00:46:02,819
They could've been over a hundred countries. You're.

1276
00:46:03,114 --> 00:46:04,544
You can take a tour of the new

1277
00:46:04,544 --> 00:46:06,690
world or the old world. The whatever world

1278
00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:07,190
jerusalem.

1279
00:46:07,579 --> 00:46:09,654
With He does those. Yeah. I I I've

1280
00:46:09,654 --> 00:46:10,394
done some.

1281
00:46:10,851 --> 00:46:12,608
I've... Yeah. I love Charlie around Europe.

1282
00:46:13,246 --> 00:46:15,082
I always try to speak whatever language of

1283
00:46:15,082 --> 00:46:16,094
the country I'm at

1284
00:46:16,534 --> 00:46:17,813
I lived in Germany for a while,

1285
00:46:18,692 --> 00:46:19,331
and I...

1286
00:46:20,050 --> 00:46:21,568
My French is getting better. I've gone through

1287
00:46:21,568 --> 00:46:24,205
the whole duo lingo french program. Wow. Yeah.

1288
00:46:24,525 --> 00:46:26,766
And. Because you had time went with the

1289
00:46:26,766 --> 00:46:28,194
reading a book a day and everything.

1290
00:46:28,987 --> 00:46:31,923
To learn another language to learn other language.

1291
00:46:32,494 --> 00:46:34,161
Yeah. I I tinker around with lots of

1292
00:46:34,161 --> 00:46:36,702
languages and European linguistics. And I think I'm...

1293
00:46:36,940 --> 00:46:38,211
Maybe I'll try Russian or maybe you can

1294
00:46:38,211 --> 00:46:39,799
help with Russia. So for sure, I'll be

1295
00:46:39,799 --> 00:46:41,403
happy to do that. Right. So the question

1296
00:46:41,483 --> 00:46:43,152
I have for you about this, brent is

1297
00:46:43,152 --> 00:46:45,243
recently, the church announced that they were creating

1298
00:46:45,299 --> 00:46:46,435
the first ever

1299
00:46:47,208 --> 00:46:50,172
Spanish state. In the United States. Oh, interesting.

1300
00:46:50,332 --> 00:46:51,611
Did you hear about this? I didn't hear

1301
00:46:51,611 --> 00:46:53,049
this. But I've I've gone to Spanish words

1302
00:46:53,049 --> 00:46:54,408
a lot of my life So... Yeah. So

1303
00:46:54,567 --> 00:46:55,926
I wanted to know what your thoughts are

1304
00:46:55,926 --> 00:46:57,934
about this that the churches is creating a

1305
00:46:58,013 --> 00:47:00,473
Spanish only stake. It's in Utah Right in

1306
00:47:00,552 --> 00:47:02,377
Melissa up? It's it's in the Salt Lake

1307
00:47:02,377 --> 00:47:04,995
area. So it's gonna be 1 steak with

1308
00:47:04,995 --> 00:47:07,416
a bunch of... Spanish speaking words

1309
00:47:07,870 --> 00:47:10,254
from basically the Valley, but now they're gonna

1310
00:47:10,254 --> 00:47:11,549
have their own stake presidency

1311
00:47:12,638 --> 00:47:15,198
that's pulling from those words. Yeah. So most

1312
00:47:15,198 --> 00:47:17,454
of our listeners have never had any experiences

1313
00:47:17,593 --> 00:47:20,387
in a language ward or something like that.

1314
00:47:20,627 --> 00:47:23,102
Like, what's it like being in a Spanish

1315
00:47:23,102 --> 00:47:24,060
ward in Utah.

1316
00:47:24,632 --> 00:47:25,907
And then what does it what like, what

1317
00:47:25,907 --> 00:47:27,499
does it mean that there's a stake now.

1318
00:47:27,897 --> 00:47:29,568
So I I used to go to this

1319
00:47:29,568 --> 00:47:31,878
latent in Spanish word which took in the

1320
00:47:31,878 --> 00:47:33,721
entire? Yeah see of, language, which actually has

1321
00:47:33,721 --> 00:47:35,627
gotten pretty big, Maybe 80000 people.

1322
00:47:36,262 --> 00:47:38,248
But the only thing when yoda Spanish for

1323
00:47:38,248 --> 00:47:40,154
is that the high council will never speak

1324
00:47:40,233 --> 00:47:40,551
Spanish,

1325
00:47:41,203 --> 00:47:43,115
And and so half the mean are just

1326
00:47:43,115 --> 00:47:44,788
people from the stake who have no clue

1327
00:47:44,788 --> 00:47:46,780
about Spanish. And then for maybe the worst

1328
00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:48,373
thing I've ever seen is I played once

1329
00:47:48,373 --> 00:47:50,206
in a church basketball game.

1330
00:47:51,017 --> 00:47:51,494
It was

1331
00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:53,802
our Spanish word against

1332
00:47:54,677 --> 00:47:57,540
these English words. We were very competitive.

1333
00:47:58,272 --> 00:47:58,670
And

1334
00:47:59,148 --> 00:48:01,300
I'm actually really tall. I'm I'm about 6

1335
00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:01,858
foot 5.

1336
00:48:02,654 --> 00:48:04,726
And and actually, we would beat the English

1337
00:48:04,726 --> 00:48:04,885
words.

1338
00:48:05,932 --> 00:48:07,995
And 1 time, I don't know. There there

1339
00:48:07,995 --> 00:48:09,662
were actually fist fights and things. And I

1340
00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:11,805
I just... I I wonder if there'd be

1341
00:48:11,805 --> 00:48:13,392
less fist fighting between, like,

1342
00:48:14,203 --> 00:48:16,435
Spanish word plays the Spanish or something like

1343
00:48:16,435 --> 00:48:17,232
that. Yeah.

1344
00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:20,283
Well, so your wife because she's a foreigner

1345
00:48:20,341 --> 00:48:22,989
living in Utah and Idaho. Does she feel

1346
00:48:22,989 --> 00:48:24,750
more at home in a Spanish speaking war?

1347
00:48:25,630 --> 00:48:25,949
Well,

1348
00:48:27,070 --> 00:48:28,829
there are things we like about Spanish words

1349
00:48:28,829 --> 00:48:30,030
and there are things we don't like.

1350
00:48:30,922 --> 00:48:31,161
But,

1351
00:48:31,877 --> 00:48:33,547
1 of the things she doesn't like is,

1352
00:48:35,139 --> 00:48:37,579
I'll I'll I'll I'll just... Because she's suspect.

1353
00:48:38,016 --> 00:48:39,526
I think I'll just quote her, but she

1354
00:48:39,526 --> 00:48:41,194
doesn't like how a lot of the activities

1355
00:48:41,194 --> 00:48:43,045
don't start on time. The

1356
00:48:43,418 --> 00:48:45,190
the Latin Americans have a very

1357
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,803
panic lacks idea of time.

1358
00:48:48,359 --> 00:48:49,392
I it didn't come for me. This is

1359
00:48:49,551 --> 00:48:50,663
I'm quoting my wife. But yeah.

1360
00:48:51,855 --> 00:48:53,364
That's fairly politically correct. Right?

1361
00:48:55,129 --> 00:48:57,920
But, Spanish people actually have way better church

1362
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,153
activities, and they actually more fun. They're fun

1363
00:49:00,153 --> 00:49:02,387
and they know how to socialize culturally lot

1364
00:49:02,387 --> 00:49:03,286
better. Mh.

1365
00:49:03,743 --> 00:49:04,141
And

1366
00:49:05,984 --> 00:49:06,484
So,

1367
00:49:06,935 --> 00:49:08,703
like, if you go to a a church

1368
00:49:08,837 --> 00:49:11,135
activity, it's... Even though it might start an

1369
00:49:11,135 --> 00:49:13,056
hour and a half late. It's probably gonna

1370
00:49:13,056 --> 00:49:16,562
be really fun. Wow. And so halfway. And

1371
00:49:16,562 --> 00:49:18,394
and and it might go into 2 in

1372
00:49:18,394 --> 00:49:20,323
the morning or. I mean, And a think

1373
00:49:20,323 --> 00:49:22,559
president mad at them. So I was I

1374
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:24,714
was wondering maybe if thinking now. Maybe if

1375
00:49:24,714 --> 00:49:26,013
you have a a Spanish

1376
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:28,546
speaking stake president, they might be a little

1377
00:49:28,546 --> 00:49:30,637
looser on. Some activities.

1378
00:49:31,276 --> 00:49:33,192
Sure think. At least more understanding of the

1379
00:49:33,192 --> 00:49:35,687
culture behind everything. I think I think it's

1380
00:49:36,065 --> 00:49:38,872
important to have that. Yeah. Yeah. So I

1381
00:49:38,872 --> 00:49:41,093
think they're really fun, Really nice people.

1382
00:49:42,283 --> 00:49:43,814
III don't know. I think

1383
00:49:44,504 --> 00:49:46,328
I don't know how to explain it.

1384
00:49:47,137 --> 00:49:48,967
Usually, there are a lot more

1385
00:49:49,364 --> 00:49:51,273
needs also. Oh, yeah. Like,

1386
00:49:52,148 --> 00:49:54,773
yeah. There's are partners. Lot very needy people.

1387
00:49:55,012 --> 00:49:57,740
Yeah. And maybe there's some maybe good things

1388
00:49:57,740 --> 00:50:00,135
about having a Spanish branch with an English

1389
00:50:00,135 --> 00:50:02,311
day because there might be more fast offering

1390
00:50:02,530 --> 00:50:05,026
resources. Yeah. But but maybe

1391
00:50:05,577 --> 00:50:07,248
I don't know. Maybe that have... With the

1392
00:50:07,248 --> 00:50:10,112
state, maybe they gonna have more resources available.

1393
00:50:10,509 --> 00:50:11,941
But in it, like in the Spanish word,

1394
00:50:12,592 --> 00:50:14,442
we would have lots and lots of baptism

1395
00:50:14,498 --> 00:50:17,381
all the time. Yeah. So I I that's.

1396
00:50:17,675 --> 00:50:19,343
1 1 year I think we had 50

1397
00:50:19,343 --> 00:50:21,170
baptism just in this Spanish word in like

1398
00:50:21,487 --> 00:50:22,376
Utah. Wow.

1399
00:50:22,932 --> 00:50:24,680
You know? Well, I'm thinking like, there are

1400
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,017
some things like church discipline things. There there's

1401
00:50:28,017 --> 00:50:30,242
things where Yeah the stake high Counsel.

1402
00:50:30,813 --> 00:50:33,195
Is is interacting with an individual member. Right.

1403
00:50:33,353 --> 00:50:35,338
And so it probably would be hard, especially

1404
00:50:35,338 --> 00:50:37,323
if you're the member, and your stake high

1405
00:50:37,323 --> 00:50:38,911
counsel is all people who don't speak your

1406
00:50:38,911 --> 00:50:41,079
language. Right. Don't understand what's going on in.

1407
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,880
Yeah. The the bad thing is I think

1408
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:44,119
though...

1409
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,360
I think it is good for Latin Americans

1410
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:46,860
to

1411
00:50:47,414 --> 00:50:49,411
to not try to make their own country

1412
00:50:49,411 --> 00:50:51,728
within a country. Mh. Which is my... With

1413
00:50:51,728 --> 00:50:53,486
something my wife doesn't like. She thinks that

1414
00:50:53,486 --> 00:50:56,380
his fact people should and integrate themselves into

1415
00:50:56,380 --> 00:50:58,619
the fabric of the United States. Yeah. We're

1416
00:50:58,619 --> 00:50:59,579
we're a lot of the people in the

1417
00:50:59,659 --> 00:51:02,139
Spanish word because they... There's... They go to

1418
00:51:02,139 --> 00:51:04,235
church in Spanish. They watch Tv spanish. They

1419
00:51:04,235 --> 00:51:06,155
do everything. Work in Spanish. So they never

1420
00:51:06,155 --> 00:51:07,835
bothered to learn English. Mh. A lot of

1421
00:51:07,835 --> 00:51:09,994
the people we were friends... Didn't speak word.

1422
00:51:10,155 --> 00:51:12,247
I never even heard speak English. Mh. And

1423
00:51:12,247 --> 00:51:13,681
they live in United states, like, 20 or

1424
00:51:13,681 --> 00:51:15,354
30 years, which is really weird. And it's

1425
00:51:15,354 --> 00:51:16,868
harder to feel a part of the broader

1426
00:51:16,868 --> 00:51:19,589
community. Yeah If, like... Yeah. Mh So that's

1427
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:21,573
true. So maybe that's a downside of Spanish

1428
00:51:21,573 --> 00:51:22,049
works, but...

1429
00:51:23,001 --> 00:51:23,636
Yeah. Anyway.

1430
00:51:24,509 --> 00:51:26,676
Well, Brent, it's been awesome having you.

1431
00:51:27,128 --> 00:51:30,173
Yeah. Fascinating. Nice to meet you. Yeah. Yeah.

1432
00:51:30,412 --> 00:51:32,328
Thank you so much for joining us. Yeah.

1433
00:51:32,567 --> 00:51:35,121
Really... I'm... Yeah. We really enjoyed this conversation.

1434
00:51:35,695 --> 00:51:36,894
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1435
00:51:37,375 --> 00:51:39,535
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1436
00:51:39,535 --> 00:51:41,695
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1437
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1438
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1439
00:51:44,503 --> 00:51:44,901
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1440
00:51:45,538 --> 00:51:47,208
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1441
00:51:47,208 --> 00:51:47,367
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