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Good morning. Good afternoon and good evening, Wherever

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you are in the world. This is another

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episode of this weekend mormons

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international edition. I'm Daniel Fa, and I'm very

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happy to be with you today. And I

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am Daniel Daniels. Happy to join, Danny,

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Gonna be 1 of those confusing episodes

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name?

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Yes. That... Yes. Yes. Both from Chile alto.

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So that's... It's even more confusing. So it's

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fine. It's fair. So,

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done, what about your summer in the Uk?

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Is it going

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I think it would be an exaggeration.

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exaggeration to call it summer. It's been super

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super minor really.

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We only help. 1 day that I remember

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that we have crossed the 30 degree celsius

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barrier, which would be, like, 85.

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Fahrenheit for American listeners.

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So, yeah, Not super exciting, but,

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and lots of rain and, like, all of

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kind of bad weather in the Uk. There

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all of that, that... That's been my summer.

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But out of the few nice days, we've

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managed to do some fun things. I went

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to,

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coastal city in the English channel call called

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a few weeks ago, and that was quite

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So have you ever been there before? More

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that's your first time. Okay? 3 off the

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first time that I was there, and it

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was actually a pretty nice beach, like, when

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you go south, I remember the first time

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My first year. We were like, okay, Let's

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take the train from London to Brighton. Brighton

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is quite quite well known,

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but not as well known to me.

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To know that the the this... There's no

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sand. It's like a pebble.

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That's sucks. Yes. I it's it's not kind

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of feature you're expecting used to. Yes. If

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if you if you know what you're getting

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into it, yeah. At least you go with

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that frame of mine, but we just took

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the train showed up ready to go to,

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like, a normal.

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Experience and we thought that I were, like,

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this is not not what I expected. But

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in Board was quite nice, very, like, fine

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really kind of clear sand. Of course, it

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it was a big cold, like, 21, 22

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degrees and the water was maybe, like,

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not mediterranean and temperatures by any mean, but

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not pacific ocean either, the southwest it was.

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So you could get in. He was good

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for my thermostat, not for my wife. She

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not from from Chile. Because in Chile, the

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coast so cold. Like... Yeah. It's it's awful.

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swimming in this horrible, you know,

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temperature, and I really enjoyed it. It was

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in the water in in the ocean. I

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gets me cold immediately. So, yeah. You know

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what the enthusiasm I would say. Yes. Yeah.

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1 of my memories is

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going to this... When I was a brand

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which we will be talking about in a

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second, by the way.

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I was 18, and we went to this

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the central Chile This is in the middle

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of of the country. It's it's closed by

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Santiago. It's an hour we're and a half

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driving maybe an hour. So... Yeah. It's very

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very typical. Yeah. It's like a it's like

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a chain of very small coastal towns and

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and and and and beaches and

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like a blend of forest and kind of,

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not mountains, but you know, it's the there...

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it... The waves are really nice,

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but the water is so cold, and I

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have this memory during that activity of getting

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into the water, spending, like, 3 to 5

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minutes in the water and feeling my bones

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like, hurting.

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But, I was happy.

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Oh. Yes. I wasn't.

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You can do what. The energy of the

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youth. I I would think of it. Yeah.

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I wouldn't do that again. Yeah.

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Never again. We're sad to tell you that,

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Georgia is not with us today because she's

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under the weather she she got Covid, and

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and we expect a speedy recovery for her

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and all the best

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wishes and energy for her to to get

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well soon.

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All the best for you, Georgia. We missed

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you today. We we hope to have you

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in the future episodes of the

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international edition.

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Yeah. Okay. Well soon. It would have be

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nice to have the, like 3 of us

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today. But, for our next time.

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So, Danny, what what have you done? What's

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Yes. Not much

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I'm a Phd student here, so I'm basically

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working on research and and stuff. And we've

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been fortunate enough to be invited by by

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a family member to go to you.

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So it's going to be my first time,

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41 years old,

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old lifelong member of the church. So be

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my first time in the makeup. So I

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told to be to have I hope to

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have AAA wonderful experience there right pilgrimage image.

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Yes. Yes. I'm ready for the pilgrimage, and

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then, you know, yes. The the

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the wall and and cry on the wall

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and everything. So, I mean, I'm, I'm I'm

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excited. I'm really, really excited. We're

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at least we know that as a plan,

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we're going to Science park. So I'm going

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to get both, you know, the natural

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beauty and geography of the utah states. And

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also, of course, as a

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active member, I would really love to go

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to 1 of the temples and go to

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some of the historical places.

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So I think it's going to be

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a wonderful experience and and and I hope

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the weather permits all these possible plants. I've

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heard that it's been very, very hot there.

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to be hotter than here.

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heavier or or or or more challenging to

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deal with it. So... But but we're we're

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hopeful that it's going to be a good

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time for

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for the kids as well for the kids

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for the family and to get together and

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see

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friends that we haven't seen

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you know what? You should, like, document, get

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during your trip, Like, we we should make,

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like, a spin of series of Danny goes

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to utah for the first for the next

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time.

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Podcast broadcast documentary

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or module money.

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you've been in the Us for around 2

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years. Now. Right? Yes. And I had kind

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of assumed that you had gone to To

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at least once, But but... Yeah. I have

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forgotten that you had him. So kind of

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a first time, like,

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it will be quite experienced. Like, I'm looking

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forward to hearing all about it. Having lived

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in You for around 6 years myself.

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of a ping pong review of our

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experiences. I've always thought that you guys have

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fantastic place to visit.

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there so much,

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to see, you know, so much lower. Right?

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And things that you've heard you've grown up

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hearing about

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annoying people from there. So, yeah, I wanna

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hear all about that. You you you have

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to go and see how it's like, how

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it's really, really like. It's firsthand. Yes. Yeah.

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articles of news for or... Yes. Yes. I

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articles this week, and we're happy that we

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have this opportunity to share some of them

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with you. The first 1 we think is

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the biggest for this week.

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the young single adults

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and the single all. Right? And that... This

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in know a way, in a way, gets

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a little bit closer,

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in a, in a, funny way, I would

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say. But but at the same time, I

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aligning with the times, you know, where where

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people are, you know, dealing with with other

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challenges. And more importantly, with other kinds of

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decisions. Right? I mean, people decide to study

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and then maybe to get a get get

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into graduate school later on or maybe work

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a little bit, and then they consider marriage

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youth today,

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don't consider marriage as something important. I think

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it the they're just so

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concern to to have it right to make

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it right that sometimes this, you know,

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stress or this pressure

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or simply this, you know, nervous about not

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making it right, will

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take their time for getting married

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longer. Right? And and and and my

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my personal experience is that although I was

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a member of... I've been A member of

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the church, my whole life.

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I got married quite later in comparison to

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my, you know, cohort or my group of

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of of friends that are

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active members of the church. I mean,

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when a got married, and that is

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considered almost old. Right? I mean, I I

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would go to institute activities or or

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be, like, the oldest guy in my institute

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class that's probably the last ones as well.

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So it is a little bit of it,

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weird even a little bit annoying to to

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be to feel, you know, because maybe no

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1 will tell you that. I mean, but

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but you you kind of feel

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that the collagen is is is being away

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from from your... From the generation that people

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will tell you something about that. Yeah. I'm

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most proud. They will bring up. They will

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bring up the the bring them young quote

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of being a amazing society and whatnot.

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Yeah right. Yeah.

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Yeah. It is it is a different experience

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so the 1 I had. Like, I I

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I'm a more stereotypical

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got married young

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type of case.

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Right? It's less common outside of the Us

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from what I've seen, but it's still kinda

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prevalent at church and, yeah, I got married

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at

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the young age of 21 years old hold

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almost 22. So I kind of bypass a

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lot of that Ys experience. And if I'm

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very, very honest with this particular news. And

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this this shows kind of

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my

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potential lack of understanding of the Ys experience

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is that I saw

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the title, like the age changed for from

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30 to 35.

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And I was like, Why is that even

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news? Like, like, it took me some time

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to think. Okay.

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What's the impact of this? Right? And

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and I didn't fully

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fully realize it. I don't know how was

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it for you when you found out about

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the the news War... What's the impact Mean...

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Let's delve into that. I I mean, I

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think First of all, is just... You you

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feel you already feel isolated when you're turning

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30, and you're not married a church. Right?

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And then that also means that you're cut

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out of all these programs as well. Like

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I mean, you cannot attempt to assist you

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anymore, and then any

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young single adult activities or things you can't

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an institute.

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You shouldn't. And people would would tell you.

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People would tell you. So I mean, there

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would be some institute, you know, coordinators errors

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and people that would tell you if you're

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married, you can come with your wife, that

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kind of thing. Right? But generally, speaking,

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by 30 you shouldn't attend because the program

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is not kind of for you anymore kind

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of Yeah. And I laugh about it because

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again, I think it's discretionary at the same

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time. I mean, some coordinators some people in

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the institute buildings will will, of course, welcome

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anyone that comes. And I think that's a

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spirit anyways. Right? However, right?

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Sometimes, you know, the procedures or the administrative

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you know, standards will tell you otherwise, and

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then people will do whatever they their they

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think is best. Even though it sounds, it

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gets... Can sound a little bit like, terrible

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I get it. Like, if you're are... I

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don't know. Your early twenties and whatnot in

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all of a sudden, years surrounded by, like,

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late 30

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thirties people. Like, like us now or early

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forties, you know, I... Imagine we go these

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creeps. Right? So... Yes. I I get it.

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But I think that leads me to another

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question I have for you, which is

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the widening of this this 8 age range

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from 18 now to 35.

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I mean, 18 and 35 is 17 years

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apart. And

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you know,

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I I wonder how that that's gonna be

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fair, like, but will this lead to further

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kind of kind of sub cohorts within.

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And...

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It's it's it's obviously that you will have

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certain a group. I mean, it's only natural.

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Right? I mean, social clicks or groups that

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that build up, you know, depending on preferences,

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age ranges, you know,

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similar words or similar stakes, that's common. Right?

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I mean, that there's nothing new there. Right?

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What I think is new is just acknowledging

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that people are not getting married

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and they're are active members of a church

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and you want to include them You want

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them to be part of the program or

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you want them to be

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surrounded by like minded, you know, people, and

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and that's that's only fair. And I think,

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fostering that kind of, you know,

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interactions

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it it it only makes, you know, well

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for for for the for the church youth

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or for the church, you know,

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young, young single women and men. So

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again, because I'm not...

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And this is my take. I didn't get

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married with any of the people that were

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in my young single at all

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So that's that's my first statement. Right? I

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mean, III didn't find

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my my, you know, my my love... 1

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my internal companion,

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whoever you want to call, you you're you're

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your loved 1. Right? You're you're

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I didn't find

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that person in this activities. However, I built

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up very strong relationships

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great friendships, and and I'm really happy that

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I did. I mean, I'm

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yes. I am more than happy, IIIII

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feel grateful for for knowing these people and

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knowing people with different interest with different preferences

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and and sometimes, I I felt like, you

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know,

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a fish out of the water because, I

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mean, they were

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way different from me, but that didn't mean

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that didn't mean that

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we didn't share the same values. And I

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think being surrounded with this kind of people

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was great for me and taught me very

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relevant lessons. And and and it's been very,

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very

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very significant.

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For for for me, particularly.

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Now,

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that being said,

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I'm not looking for a program like this

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as an end goal to marry people.

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Even though most of people will tell you

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well, if if it's not the end goal,

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then it shouldn't exist. What I think

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is

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you cannot push those kinds of things.

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What you can elicit what you can, you

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know, foster? Is this opportunity for people to

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get together in

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more,

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you know, open environment. Where we're not only

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church or a doctrine or or or, you

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know, talks.

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Are the core reason why you get together.

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But for whichever other reason, you get an

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opportunity on a weekly basis to see these

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people to interact with them, again, to build

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friendships to build up, you know,

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opportunities to to, you know, maybe to find

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a group of people that

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have your

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interests or maybe they're studying the same as

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you're studying or you're interested in studying something.

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And by interacting with these people you start

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understanding a little bit more, and then

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in a way, it's it's kind of a...

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I would say,

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I don't like the word network for this,

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but in in this case, I'm I'm meaning

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people from different backgrounds from different, you know,

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circumstances

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that get together there because they share the

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same gospel.

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And because of it, you get a chance,

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firsthand

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to get to under understand a bit more

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about

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their stance on things,

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but also what they do right,

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what are what have been their, you know,

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spiritual experiences, their life experiences, their, you know,

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job experiences or their, you know, university or

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college or whatever,

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institute, whatever experience they have. And that's great.

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Because when you're in a word,

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What happens if you're the only single adults

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in?

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It's probably the reality in most places. Right?

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Actually, get the chance.

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Yeah. That that makes me interaction. Right?

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That makes me think of... Well, this news

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to

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impacts very differently depending on your geography. Because

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in geographies where

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single words are prevalent and common.

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Of course, this this is potentially a a

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big deal and it it... You know, I

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I like that it's a recognition of

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marriage being something that people are doing and

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probably should do in the in in the

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current world and then how lives are lived.

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Something to be considered to be done not

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in a rush. Not there's no rush to

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get married super young. Right? So... And the

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fact is that people are getting married a

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bit older.

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Ball both outside and

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inside the church. So kind of this

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age widening is a it's a good recognition

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of that or what really means to be

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to be young.

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Right? But but but I think Like, on

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the practical,

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on a practical sense, I think it does

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it will impact differently. I'm thinking,

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in our home country. You know, you'll be

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different, you know, like, I'm thinking of of

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the critical mass of members that exist there

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compared to Ut utah or compared to now

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here in the Uk or other places. Now

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very significantly. In some places will be like,

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okay, mostly a nominal change. Nothing really impactful

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day to day. But in other places, it

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is a it is a big change, especially

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on those high concentration.

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Areas, and

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I'll I'll love to hear more about it

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once this kind of get gets rolled out

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and and we start here in the... We

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start seeing the changes. We start seeing, you

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know, what what what are the actual effects

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on on on on its

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after being, you know, applied. Yeah. I Totally

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again. And and I got the the letter.

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So, yeah, I was reading about and then

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I I just

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applauded it because I think it's just great.

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It it will

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it should do great. It could again because

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you get this

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interaction. Right? And and and and I think

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those interactions are are very relevant in the

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world we live today where

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no 1 is actually interacting as much as

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we used to. So I think it's just

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If any of your listeners are in in

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this group are affected by this policy change,

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we would love to hear about your thoughts

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we will Danny and I recognize our we're

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no longer in that cohort. And therefore, we're

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wanna hear from from those that that are.

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So

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you can contact us at,

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you know, social media, platforms, and,

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we'll love to hear about those.

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And there's

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another

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related in a similar vein. Right,

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related,

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news

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piece of news article from the church news.

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About the convention speakers of the Utah Aria,

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Ys conference,

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Which I want to confess, I have no

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idea that it was happening.

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I have no idea what is it about.

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I don't understand why that doesn't happen in

537
00:19:43,873 --> 00:19:44,587
South America.

538
00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:46,829
Or why don't they do it in Chile

539
00:19:46,829 --> 00:19:48,818
once a year or Argentina. I haven't heard

540
00:19:48,818 --> 00:19:49,534
of it before.

541
00:19:50,171 --> 00:19:51,625
And the only,

542
00:19:52,478 --> 00:19:53,853
you know, from a very

543
00:19:54,403 --> 00:19:56,818
old story that I remember were the

544
00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:57,696
the

545
00:19:58,153 --> 00:19:58,653
Ys

546
00:19:59,590 --> 00:20:00,489
summer conferences,

547
00:20:01,185 --> 00:20:04,220
which where I think nothing related to this.

548
00:20:04,378 --> 00:20:06,682
So can you eliminate me a little bit

549
00:20:06,682 --> 00:20:09,008
with it, Danny because this is totally

550
00:20:09,461 --> 00:20:10,438
off my

551
00:20:11,622 --> 00:20:14,169
experience my my knowledge. Yeah. I we... I

552
00:20:14,169 --> 00:20:16,078
wish I could. I I do remember from

553
00:20:16,078 --> 00:20:16,556
last year.

554
00:20:17,193 --> 00:20:18,466
I don't remember if you covered it in

555
00:20:18,466 --> 00:20:20,296
1 of the international episodes or or not,

556
00:20:20,455 --> 00:20:21,609
but there was

557
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:24,170
1 of these for the first time that

558
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:25,049
included,

559
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:28,150
you know, kind of speakers and things like

560
00:20:28,150 --> 00:20:30,004
that. And and and even, like, a huge

561
00:20:30,004 --> 00:20:31,383
event where they invited

562
00:20:31,762 --> 00:20:34,580
1 Republic and and some other

563
00:20:35,439 --> 00:20:38,316
being someone being famous or fay fame adjacent,

564
00:20:38,795 --> 00:20:39,295
artists

565
00:20:40,647 --> 00:20:40,886
from,

566
00:20:41,525 --> 00:20:43,520
the church and outside the church. And it

567
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,515
was... The big thing. I remember some some

568
00:20:45,515 --> 00:20:48,802
commentary, some some chatter around how it felt

569
00:20:48,802 --> 00:20:50,179
very different from other

570
00:20:50,556 --> 00:20:52,389
church events that we are accustomed to, how

571
00:20:52,389 --> 00:20:54,382
it felt much much much more like a

572
00:20:54,382 --> 00:20:57,586
mega church type of vibe, which didn't resonate

573
00:20:57,586 --> 00:20:59,282
very well with some. And with others

574
00:20:59,659 --> 00:21:00,935
Great. They were, like, we need more of

575
00:21:00,935 --> 00:21:03,030
this, we need to speak the language that

576
00:21:03,247 --> 00:21:05,615
that younger people are speaking and

577
00:21:06,290 --> 00:21:08,039
kind of evolve in the ways that we

578
00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:11,220
worship shape or engaged socially or or or

579
00:21:11,220 --> 00:21:13,287
or spiritually even or meta spiritually.

580
00:21:14,259 --> 00:21:16,339
So and I think that was the the

581
00:21:16,339 --> 00:21:17,539
main precedent in this year.

582
00:21:18,339 --> 00:21:18,819
They're doing,

583
00:21:20,099 --> 00:21:22,075
I believe a similar event. There's gonna be

584
00:21:22,433 --> 00:21:24,824
involvement from a couple of general thirties,

585
00:21:25,541 --> 00:21:27,853
and and 2 of our general officers, sister

586
00:21:27,853 --> 00:21:28,172
leaders,

587
00:21:30,339 --> 00:21:30,578
with,

588
00:21:32,811 --> 00:21:34,747
Sharon New bank, which currently

589
00:21:35,125 --> 00:21:36,422
leads the the human

590
00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:39,033
humanitarian services for the church and former,

591
00:21:40,804 --> 00:21:43,441
member of society a presidency. Yeah

592
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:45,060
Was

593
00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:48,316
Emily bell Freeman, Current, young, women's general President

594
00:21:48,316 --> 00:21:50,490
will be there as well. Other pearson who

595
00:21:50,490 --> 00:21:51,470
besides the area

596
00:21:51,849 --> 00:21:54,089
in Utah, can't who else. But...

597
00:21:55,450 --> 00:21:56,649
And on top of that, they're gonna have

598
00:21:56,970 --> 00:21:59,383
a bunch more of other breakout sessions and

599
00:21:59,383 --> 00:22:00,980
and and things like that kind of on

600
00:22:00,980 --> 00:22:02,259
a convention format.

601
00:22:02,658 --> 00:22:04,336
Now I I think your to your point

602
00:22:04,336 --> 00:22:06,669
of why does this happen elsewhere. I I

603
00:22:06,669 --> 00:22:08,609
do know if at least 1 instance where

604
00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:10,429
something very similar is done, and that is

605
00:22:10,429 --> 00:22:11,069
here in Europe,

606
00:22:11,869 --> 00:22:14,274
and it's called something has... Or it has

607
00:22:14,274 --> 00:22:15,806
been called traditionally

608
00:22:16,258 --> 00:22:16,758
North,

609
00:22:17,527 --> 00:22:21,122
I believe. And it it's it happens

610
00:22:21,828 --> 00:22:23,818
can't remember if in Norway or if they

611
00:22:23,818 --> 00:22:25,353
change every country, but

612
00:22:25,728 --> 00:22:27,798
in kind of the Northern Scandinavian countries.

613
00:22:29,643 --> 00:22:31,626
If I recall correctly, this

614
00:22:32,023 --> 00:22:35,990
event is somewhat a pattern after what the

615
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:37,339
Europe area was doing.

616
00:22:37,989 --> 00:22:39,507
Over the last few years for for a

617
00:22:39,667 --> 00:22:41,206
Ys conference kind of

618
00:22:41,585 --> 00:22:42,324
F s

619
00:22:42,783 --> 00:22:45,200
style, but but more more adult

620
00:22:45,514 --> 00:22:47,111
for the ada adult for the Yam adult

621
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:49,345
Tokens. Exactly. I know a few people hear

622
00:22:49,345 --> 00:22:52,218
from, the the Yam groups that that have

623
00:22:52,218 --> 00:22:54,149
gone there, and they've loved it and So

624
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:55,987
it's a thing. It's it's relatively established.

625
00:22:56,786 --> 00:22:57,985
I don't know if there's an equivalent in

626
00:22:57,985 --> 00:22:59,903
other areas that that I know of. I

627
00:22:59,903 --> 00:23:01,981
haven't heard anything of this scale of production

628
00:23:01,981 --> 00:23:02,620
or or level.

629
00:23:03,274 --> 00:23:03,774
And,

630
00:23:04,233 --> 00:23:06,070
I mean, the... I mean the Northeast of

631
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:07,988
the Us, and I haven't heard a thing,

632
00:23:08,308 --> 00:23:10,065
we're 2 hours and a half from Boston.

633
00:23:10,225 --> 00:23:13,271
So I mean, we're fairly well located. I

634
00:23:13,271 --> 00:23:14,786
mean, we're 3 hours and a half from

635
00:23:14,865 --> 00:23:15,365
Palm.

636
00:23:16,141 --> 00:23:18,214
They they used to have a page a

637
00:23:18,214 --> 00:23:19,091
pageant there.

638
00:23:19,824 --> 00:23:23,812
But but no Ys conference. I mean, FSY

639
00:23:23,812 --> 00:23:25,726
is something that they will do, even they

640
00:23:25,726 --> 00:23:27,481
will do it here in in Albany in

641
00:23:27,481 --> 00:23:29,156
in 1 of the 1 of the venues

642
00:23:29,156 --> 00:23:32,273
that that is just nearby my my my

643
00:23:32,273 --> 00:23:32,989
church building.

644
00:23:33,546 --> 00:23:35,056
And they do it, of course, for the

645
00:23:35,056 --> 00:23:37,283
youth, but nothing for the young single adult.

646
00:23:37,522 --> 00:23:39,759
So Yeah. It's an. If you're doing it

647
00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:41,981
in Utah, and this is, again, my my

648
00:23:41,981 --> 00:23:43,807
personal take. If you're going you're going to

649
00:23:43,807 --> 00:23:45,711
do it in Utah then why don't you

650
00:23:45,711 --> 00:23:46,187
try to...

651
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:49,550
Have something around the same lines in different,

652
00:23:49,630 --> 00:23:50,028
you know,

653
00:23:50,746 --> 00:23:52,261
areas. Right? I mean, you have it in

654
00:23:52,261 --> 00:23:54,175
the Midwest, You have it... I don't know

655
00:23:54,175 --> 00:23:55,530
in the northeast. Right?

656
00:23:56,104 --> 00:23:58,417
And you you put together a a bunch

657
00:23:58,417 --> 00:24:00,889
of people, a bunch of young single adults.

658
00:24:01,049 --> 00:24:03,521
Right? That have this opportunity, again, to get

659
00:24:03,521 --> 00:24:05,116
to know each other to meet for a

660
00:24:05,116 --> 00:24:05,595
couple of days.

661
00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:09,529
To engage in different activities. And again, meaning

662
00:24:09,529 --> 00:24:10,029
people

663
00:24:10,330 --> 00:24:12,650
allows you to, you know, have this conversation

664
00:24:12,650 --> 00:24:13,710
start to build up

665
00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:16,499
relationships and, you know, you don't know what

666
00:24:16,499 --> 00:24:17,955
happens next. So that's

667
00:24:18,729 --> 00:24:19,229
building

668
00:24:19,605 --> 00:24:21,936
relationships, memories, many many things. I think

669
00:24:22,472 --> 00:24:24,007
I would surprised if it

670
00:24:24,397 --> 00:24:26,699
goes in that direction. And the reason I'm

671
00:24:26,699 --> 00:24:28,366
thinking that is that that is kind of

672
00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:29,319
the journey that

673
00:24:30,113 --> 00:24:31,486
the F conferences

674
00:24:32,495 --> 00:24:32,995
went

675
00:24:33,543 --> 00:24:35,080
originally evolving from the

676
00:24:35,457 --> 00:24:38,885
from the Ef y paradigm, right, especially for

677
00:24:38,885 --> 00:24:39,704
youth conferences

678
00:24:40,639 --> 00:24:42,489
to place in the Us, think it was

679
00:24:42,489 --> 00:24:45,205
a D originally of the the brainchild of

680
00:24:45,205 --> 00:24:47,921
of of of some leaders like Brett Wi

681
00:24:47,921 --> 00:24:48,081
cook,

682
00:24:50,172 --> 00:24:52,484
many love, many don't love as much. As

683
00:24:52,484 --> 00:24:53,919
a as a as a very prominent

684
00:24:54,318 --> 00:24:56,789
voice in, kind of mormon culture and now

685
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:57,587
a general officer.

686
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:00,180
But eventually,

687
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,279
it took gear decades. Right? Though those F

688
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:04,960
wide Yes. Right? Those 3 Yeah That's true.

689
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:06,799
And were things that we would hear,

690
00:25:07,612 --> 00:25:09,119
Like, this were from the nineties, I would

691
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,181
say. Right. And and and we wanna say,

692
00:25:11,260 --> 00:25:13,639
we Refer, like, Latin America members from the

693
00:25:13,639 --> 00:25:15,876
nineties in 2 thousands like us. We don't

694
00:25:15,876 --> 00:25:17,467
find out about when we went missions and

695
00:25:17,467 --> 00:25:19,218
we run into American missionaries, and they brought

696
00:25:19,218 --> 00:25:21,366
the cities with cities. Yes. Yeah. We're like,

697
00:25:21,684 --> 00:25:23,769
that's really rare. City. That... That's cool. What

698
00:25:23,769 --> 00:25:25,681
is that? And then you you learned that

699
00:25:25,681 --> 00:25:27,593
it was not like an album. It was

700
00:25:27,593 --> 00:25:29,425
actually, like, a conference. It's like, wait, what?

701
00:25:29,997 --> 00:25:31,509
Conference and they with this a mobile every

702
00:25:31,509 --> 00:25:33,679
year, and you go to, like, a university

703
00:25:34,054 --> 00:25:36,202
and what what what is... Yeah Whole new

704
00:25:36,202 --> 00:25:36,654
world

705
00:25:37,490 --> 00:25:39,160
in front of you compared to the, I

706
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,228
don't know, more crappy summer comes that that

707
00:25:41,228 --> 00:25:42,422
we did We young win or yeah We

708
00:25:42,422 --> 00:25:44,745
yeah. Definitely. Yeah. It's were great by the

709
00:25:44,745 --> 00:25:46,179
way. If if if it's there to say

710
00:25:46,179 --> 00:25:47,692
that they were calves. But, yeah. Okay. Yes.

711
00:25:47,852 --> 00:25:49,786
Yes. Here Yes. Yeah. So

712
00:25:50,242 --> 00:25:52,074
but eventually... It took a good couple decades,

713
00:25:52,313 --> 00:25:54,558
sort of 3 decades... For that model to

714
00:25:54,558 --> 00:25:55,616
start to be piloted

715
00:25:56,071 --> 00:25:58,700
more formally outside of of the Us and

716
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:00,851
then then eventually took over. And and now

717
00:26:00,851 --> 00:26:02,067
it's a it's a formal

718
00:26:02,458 --> 00:26:04,844
part of the well established. Yes. It is

719
00:26:04,844 --> 00:26:06,673
well established. It'll kind of taken enough because

720
00:26:06,673 --> 00:26:08,263
the the transition during Covid,

721
00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:10,013
but but so far,

722
00:26:10,649 --> 00:26:11,705
it seems to be

723
00:26:12,733 --> 00:26:14,966
to be moving the needle. Those are expensive

724
00:26:14,966 --> 00:26:16,801
events though now, we are in a time

725
00:26:16,801 --> 00:26:17,460
of prosperity

726
00:26:18,236 --> 00:26:19,513
at church. So I don't think that will

727
00:26:19,513 --> 00:26:21,666
be a concern necessarily, and if anything,

728
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,720
members would be expecting that, some of those

729
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,299
resources be put to to good use

730
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:29,774
use yeah. As we may have some... You

731
00:26:29,774 --> 00:26:31,454
know, so we may get to cover later

732
00:26:31,454 --> 00:26:33,154
that are related to the church finals.

733
00:26:33,534 --> 00:26:34,894
But, yeah, I do I do wonder if

734
00:26:34,894 --> 00:26:35,934
it will happen with the Y.

735
00:26:36,494 --> 00:26:38,595
Yeah. And if we get into the the

736
00:26:38,909 --> 00:26:40,902
specifics about the the resources, then, of course,

737
00:26:41,061 --> 00:26:43,851
it's the children and the youth. So, I

738
00:26:43,851 --> 00:26:46,402
mean, it's money will will spend well well

739
00:26:46,402 --> 00:26:49,592
used. So it's it's all for the for

740
00:26:49,592 --> 00:26:51,835
the same of having this

741
00:26:53,317 --> 00:26:53,817
young

742
00:26:54,917 --> 00:26:57,141
men and women to have this experiences again,

743
00:26:57,538 --> 00:26:58,752
getting to know other

744
00:26:59,602 --> 00:27:00,102
kids,

745
00:27:00,555 --> 00:27:02,326
you know, with similar

746
00:27:02,794 --> 00:27:04,788
you know, spiritual experiences with similar, you know,

747
00:27:05,107 --> 00:27:07,361
interests and upbringing and then

748
00:27:07,898 --> 00:27:09,413
allow them to get together and to get

749
00:27:09,413 --> 00:27:11,645
to know each other and then experience themselves,

750
00:27:12,377 --> 00:27:14,127
their own, you know, spiritual journey as well.

751
00:27:14,286 --> 00:27:16,195
So I think that's that's only fair. I

752
00:27:16,195 --> 00:27:18,263
think on on that point, maybe to close

753
00:27:18,263 --> 00:27:18,661
with that,

754
00:27:20,187 --> 00:27:21,539
being a little bit devil's sa.

755
00:27:22,255 --> 00:27:22,755
The

756
00:27:23,527 --> 00:27:25,277
the point you make on on... Its money

757
00:27:25,277 --> 00:27:27,919
was spent. I broadly agree. But with a

758
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:29,359
caveat, I would say, which is,

759
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:33,380
I I do wonder...

760
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:36,720
I mean, I I fear a little bit

761
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,757
that some of this more, like, impactful kind

762
00:27:39,757 --> 00:27:41,051
of large scale

763
00:27:41,902 --> 00:27:45,399
events, the the but we are putting together

764
00:27:45,399 --> 00:27:45,899
for

765
00:27:46,288 --> 00:27:47,879
for the for the youth mainly,

766
00:27:48,435 --> 00:27:49,867
like f s wide, I things like that

767
00:27:49,867 --> 00:27:52,332
that are very, very flashy high budget. The

768
00:27:52,889 --> 00:27:54,343
they they do have

769
00:27:54,654 --> 00:27:56,569
they do produce like, a high that it...

770
00:27:56,729 --> 00:27:57,388
That is

771
00:27:57,766 --> 00:27:59,681
very evident. And very very clear in the

772
00:27:59,681 --> 00:28:02,176
short term, but sustaining the impact of that

773
00:28:03,204 --> 00:28:04,475
remains in my opinion,

774
00:28:05,825 --> 00:28:06,325
a

775
00:28:06,699 --> 00:28:08,527
bigger question to to answer, and that time

776
00:28:08,527 --> 00:28:10,712
would will tell. So whether it's

777
00:28:11,089 --> 00:28:12,763
kind of the best use of resources.

778
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,234
I don't know. Probably it is, but I

779
00:28:15,234 --> 00:28:17,467
think it will turn out not to be.

780
00:28:18,517 --> 00:28:19,970
Unless it's coupled by a

781
00:28:20,663 --> 00:28:21,163
meaningful

782
00:28:22,650 --> 00:28:23,150
continued

783
00:28:23,603 --> 00:28:24,501
experience that

784
00:28:25,113 --> 00:28:25,431
you...

785
00:28:26,162 --> 00:28:28,709
Young people, young single adults or young adults

786
00:28:28,709 --> 00:28:30,779
in general are having when they engage a

787
00:28:30,779 --> 00:28:32,132
church, and that includes our Sunday,

788
00:28:32,848 --> 00:28:33,724
worship programs,

789
00:28:34,281 --> 00:28:37,027
includes, all of the other kind of, peripheral

790
00:28:37,643 --> 00:28:39,898
experience but but it would like to to

791
00:28:40,116 --> 00:28:42,349
interject a bit, and and what we've seen

792
00:28:42,349 --> 00:28:43,886
in the last couple of years is this

793
00:28:44,104 --> 00:28:46,591
very strong transition. To family centered.

794
00:28:47,148 --> 00:28:48,025
Right? And then,

795
00:28:49,141 --> 00:28:50,119
kind of also

796
00:28:51,054 --> 00:28:54,279
having this, you know, of it diver

797
00:28:54,896 --> 00:28:58,028
perspectives that... I mean, you don't want to

798
00:28:58,406 --> 00:29:00,480
rep reproduce something like, F y,

799
00:29:01,053 --> 00:29:03,042
because it's not possible. Right? Why it happens

800
00:29:03,042 --> 00:29:04,632
every 2 years, I think they go over

801
00:29:04,632 --> 00:29:06,462
2 years. They could go every year if

802
00:29:06,462 --> 00:29:09,029
they want. Right? Mh. But what really matters

803
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:10,869
is that what happens at home. Right? If

804
00:29:10,869 --> 00:29:13,590
they have the opportunity to, know, study scriptures,

805
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:14,789
you know, pray,

806
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:18,240
have their own spiritual experiences, you know, fast

807
00:29:18,294 --> 00:29:20,196
with their family or maybe, you know, having

808
00:29:20,196 --> 00:29:20,830
the nourishment.

809
00:29:21,384 --> 00:29:23,630
Because, again, church it's not even 3 hours

810
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:25,309
anymore. It's 2 hours. Right? I mean, 2

811
00:29:25,309 --> 00:29:25,549
hours.

812
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:27,490
And

813
00:29:27,789 --> 00:29:29,470
then if nothing happens at home,

814
00:29:30,123 --> 00:29:32,908
then it will be just nonsense to think

815
00:29:32,908 --> 00:29:34,203
that there will be

816
00:29:34,738 --> 00:29:36,727
even a a pinch of an option of

817
00:29:36,727 --> 00:29:38,955
having spiritual experiences. Right? By yourself,

818
00:29:39,528 --> 00:29:41,521
again, because you need, you know, the support

819
00:29:41,521 --> 00:29:43,913
of your family and programs and and, you

820
00:29:43,913 --> 00:29:44,152
know,

821
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:47,101
leaders that could help. But again, they would

822
00:29:47,101 --> 00:29:47,601
help

823
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:52,561
as as words net of what happens in

824
00:29:52,859 --> 00:29:55,890
the house. Right? At home. And and for

825
00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:57,187
a for teenagers,

826
00:29:58,058 --> 00:29:59,654
that is not that simple. Right? I mean,

827
00:29:59,973 --> 00:30:02,208
and I yeah it's... My my my oldest

828
00:30:02,208 --> 00:30:04,761
is 10 years old. So I haven't even

829
00:30:04,761 --> 00:30:05,080
reached...

830
00:30:05,653 --> 00:30:08,120
The those perilous years or those, you know,

831
00:30:08,916 --> 00:30:10,507
challenging gears. But what I can tell you

832
00:30:10,507 --> 00:30:12,736
is that is not easy now, and I'm

833
00:30:12,736 --> 00:30:14,725
not expecting it to be easier in the

834
00:30:14,725 --> 00:30:15,637
future through. So

835
00:30:16,249 --> 00:30:16,749
my

836
00:30:17,122 --> 00:30:19,107
my wish thinking is that at least,

837
00:30:19,821 --> 00:30:21,671
I get a chance to, you know, establish

838
00:30:21,727 --> 00:30:22,227
some

839
00:30:23,015 --> 00:30:25,734
simple, but can, you know, traditions at home,

840
00:30:26,055 --> 00:30:27,835
and then kids can have their own

841
00:30:28,295 --> 00:30:30,134
spiritual experiences, and they get they can build

842
00:30:30,134 --> 00:30:31,035
up their own testimonies

843
00:30:31,666 --> 00:30:34,844
So when the time comes. Right? F y

844
00:30:34,844 --> 00:30:37,307
is not the biggest flash in their lives.

845
00:30:37,466 --> 00:30:38,101
It's just, you know,

846
00:30:39,550 --> 00:30:42,522
the recognition of an accumulation of smaller experiences

847
00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:43,718
that they've been living

848
00:30:44,813 --> 00:30:46,806
by their own in the safety of of

849
00:30:46,806 --> 00:30:50,324
their homes and families and, you know, smaller

850
00:30:50,324 --> 00:30:53,588
community kind of thing. Yeah. I I broadly

851
00:30:53,588 --> 00:30:57,030
agree. Again. III think probably the the point

852
00:30:57,189 --> 00:31:00,459
I was making before, hence at the the

853
00:31:00,459 --> 00:31:02,693
the the flip side of of of the

854
00:31:02,693 --> 00:31:05,107
emphasis you were making, like, the family centered

855
00:31:05,739 --> 00:31:07,573
of church. Kind of that people over the

856
00:31:07,573 --> 00:31:08,393
last few years

857
00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:11,163
is super important. Like, for for things to

858
00:31:11,163 --> 00:31:12,934
work out, it has to be there, I

859
00:31:12,934 --> 00:31:14,950
can, unfortunately, that puts some

860
00:31:15,728 --> 00:31:18,841
members out of this advantage because Family exist

861
00:31:18,841 --> 00:31:21,316
in many ways, and some just simply don't

862
00:31:21,316 --> 00:31:23,570
this Yes. So... And that's when the second

863
00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:24,769
part... The the 1 that I was trying

864
00:31:24,769 --> 00:31:25,250
to hint that.

865
00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:28,369
The church supported part of that quote comes

866
00:31:28,369 --> 00:31:30,141
in and and do fear. I might have

867
00:31:30,141 --> 00:31:31,810
made this point in previous episodes for long

868
00:31:31,810 --> 00:31:34,353
time listeners. So sorry for repeating myself. I

869
00:31:34,353 --> 00:31:34,853
do

870
00:31:35,307 --> 00:31:38,327
fear and feel sometimes from my observation that...

871
00:31:38,725 --> 00:31:41,784
And with this emphasis towards family center,

872
00:31:43,034 --> 00:31:45,419
church support, we have focused maybe too much

873
00:31:45,419 --> 00:31:48,544
on the family center part and forgetting that

874
00:31:49,255 --> 00:31:50,934
there is a support that church needs to

875
00:31:50,934 --> 00:31:52,295
provide, it's right in the quote.

876
00:31:52,855 --> 00:31:53,355
And

877
00:31:53,654 --> 00:31:55,815
and and because most of the changes have

878
00:31:55,815 --> 00:31:58,970
been around kind of simplifying church and reducing

879
00:31:59,910 --> 00:32:02,390
that, you know, sometimes we may on on

880
00:32:02,390 --> 00:32:03,750
too much on the side of... Yeah. But

881
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:05,684
families, she should should be doing this That

882
00:32:05,684 --> 00:32:07,862
that's that's just my personal of view. Ultimately,

883
00:32:09,041 --> 00:32:10,719
it's a combination of all those things that

884
00:32:10,719 --> 00:32:12,397
will make things work. Right? And and and

885
00:32:12,477 --> 00:32:14,155
I think that F y or these big

886
00:32:14,155 --> 00:32:14,555
conferences.

887
00:32:15,209 --> 00:32:17,431
Are part of that broader equation and set

888
00:32:17,431 --> 00:32:17,931
of

889
00:32:18,621 --> 00:32:21,081
opportunities and tools that the church. And ultimately,

890
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:23,303
we help God is trying to provide

891
00:32:24,034 --> 00:32:25,650
his children with, but

892
00:32:26,028 --> 00:32:27,862
great discussion. I never thought we could talk

893
00:32:27,862 --> 00:32:28,022
about,

894
00:32:29,218 --> 00:32:31,531
young adults so much especially as safe. I'm

895
00:32:31,531 --> 00:32:35,056
gradually leaving that status of young I'm behind.

896
00:32:36,491 --> 00:32:38,485
I lifted behind already. So I'm I'm I'm

897
00:32:38,565 --> 00:32:40,001
I'm at peace with it. I I know

898
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,915
I'm with it anymore. I'm pretending I haven't,

899
00:32:42,154 --> 00:32:45,125
But, yeah, again, We are no longer super

900
00:32:45,125 --> 00:32:47,204
young, just spread it that way. So listeners,

901
00:32:47,365 --> 00:32:48,644
if we messed up with anything that we

902
00:32:48,644 --> 00:32:50,804
said, we wanna hear your comments. So contact

903
00:32:50,804 --> 00:32:51,845
at this dot com.

904
00:32:52,658 --> 00:32:54,647
Please let us connect. Yeah. Cool. Next 1,

905
00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:56,397
Shall we move on to This 1?

906
00:32:57,431 --> 00:32:59,284
I love this 1 because

907
00:32:59,833 --> 00:33:01,504
again, I'm not a super fan, but at

908
00:33:01,504 --> 00:33:02,799
the same time, I've been

909
00:33:03,731 --> 00:33:06,835
growing into this sports events and things that

910
00:33:06,835 --> 00:33:09,477
that get people together. And as you may

911
00:33:09,477 --> 00:33:12,508
know, the Olympics are about to begin. Right?

912
00:33:12,667 --> 00:33:14,502
I mean, they begin this weekend.

913
00:33:14,980 --> 00:33:17,852
And, of course, all the previous activities and,

914
00:33:18,011 --> 00:33:18,330
you know,

915
00:33:18,984 --> 00:33:22,101
Olympia getting into Paris and getting into France

916
00:33:22,101 --> 00:33:24,498
and, you know, getting ready for their competitions

917
00:33:24,498 --> 00:33:25,078
and everything

918
00:33:25,537 --> 00:33:27,295
has been happening for the last couple of

919
00:33:27,295 --> 00:33:29,064
weeks, and if you're checking the news. Of

920
00:33:29,064 --> 00:33:32,086
course, you know, Simon B and all this

921
00:33:32,086 --> 00:33:32,586
wonderful

922
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,238
sports people are are are coming together for

923
00:33:36,238 --> 00:33:38,886
this huge event that as

924
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,443
humanity, I would say, we'll decided to to

925
00:33:42,443 --> 00:33:44,843
have at peace. Right? And and to to

926
00:33:44,843 --> 00:33:45,898
and stop war

927
00:33:46,272 --> 00:33:47,860
by the time this happens. So I think

928
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:49,234
it's it's a wonderful

929
00:33:49,607 --> 00:33:51,933
opportunity. I always think of this thing as

930
00:33:52,243 --> 00:33:54,554
when I watch the the Friday night movie

931
00:33:54,554 --> 00:33:56,647
with my kids. It's a good opportunity to

932
00:33:56,785 --> 00:33:58,219
to spend some time with the kids and

933
00:33:58,219 --> 00:34:00,460
try to, you know, show them, I don't

934
00:34:00,460 --> 00:34:02,759
know, different sports. I'm not a very sporty

935
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:05,297
p person, So I think it's... I... Again,

936
00:34:05,455 --> 00:34:06,962
I good opportunity, You know, to show their,

937
00:34:07,374 --> 00:34:09,600
some other ways in life, people engage in

938
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,418
these activities

939
00:34:10,793 --> 00:34:12,963
and see them, I don't know, perform wonderful

940
00:34:13,417 --> 00:34:14,054
wonders. Right?

941
00:34:15,326 --> 00:34:15,826
And

942
00:34:16,518 --> 00:34:18,928
understanding that it's very difficult, but when you

943
00:34:18,928 --> 00:34:21,165
see them, it seems so easy and so

944
00:34:21,165 --> 00:34:24,042
natural. And when you try to do... I

945
00:34:24,042 --> 00:34:25,960
don't know a flip or whatever they do.

946
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,829
Right? It's just

947
00:34:28,758 --> 00:34:31,639
incredibly difficult. And and and and I applaud

948
00:34:31,933 --> 00:34:33,148
their their

949
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,394
commitment and their efforts and you know, all

950
00:34:36,394 --> 00:34:39,201
these hours of training and preparation and

951
00:34:39,655 --> 00:34:42,438
whatnot. So, I mean, it's just great. Fun.

952
00:34:42,836 --> 00:34:43,552
Ahead of us. Yeah.

953
00:34:44,282 --> 00:34:46,430
Yes. And because there's so many sports that

954
00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:47,782
I think and this is again,

955
00:34:48,737 --> 00:34:49,237
another

956
00:34:49,930 --> 00:34:50,567
personal take.

957
00:34:51,219 --> 00:34:53,690
It allows you to to see whatever you

958
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:55,684
want. I mean, if you're not fan of

959
00:34:55,684 --> 00:34:58,156
the prevailing port in your country, then you've

960
00:34:58,156 --> 00:35:00,150
got hundreds of other airports you can watch.

961
00:35:00,324 --> 00:35:02,632
So I mean for everyone. Yeah... There's something

962
00:35:02,632 --> 00:35:04,621
for everyone and it that's... I think that's

963
00:35:04,621 --> 00:35:06,611
the other great thing about it. And I

964
00:35:06,611 --> 00:35:09,078
choose your own adventure type of sporting event

965
00:35:09,078 --> 00:35:10,928
or where... Yes. Yeah yes. So if you

966
00:35:10,928 --> 00:35:13,006
don't like 1, then you have multiple happening

967
00:35:13,006 --> 00:35:14,764
at the same time, and then you you

968
00:35:14,764 --> 00:35:17,401
gotta choose wirelessly, you're... I don't know, Cable

969
00:35:17,481 --> 00:35:20,605
Tv or, know... Streaming platform provider, so it

970
00:35:20,605 --> 00:35:23,630
can give you the options you you're interested

971
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:26,496
in. So that being said, we've got, of

972
00:35:26,496 --> 00:35:26,735
course,

973
00:35:27,385 --> 00:35:29,764
cohorts, a group of Olympia that are also

974
00:35:29,764 --> 00:35:32,325
members of a church, And this is another

975
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:34,545
great news for for for us as

976
00:35:34,854 --> 00:35:37,428
Know, as as as people as as

977
00:35:37,805 --> 00:35:38,523
a community.

978
00:35:38,922 --> 00:35:41,394
It's a community right? As as those that

979
00:35:41,394 --> 00:35:43,628
are trying to gather israel. Right? And then

980
00:35:45,235 --> 00:35:46,425
What is interesting is that

981
00:35:48,409 --> 00:35:49,679
Bishop Jira Jose,

982
00:35:51,425 --> 00:35:51,742
held,

983
00:35:53,984 --> 00:35:55,821
I would see kind of a spiritual meeting

984
00:35:55,821 --> 00:35:58,218
kind of a, like, a devotion type... Like,

985
00:35:58,618 --> 00:36:00,955
devotion. Yes, Like, a devotion with the

986
00:36:01,268 --> 00:36:03,651
with the Olympia, but also with the youth

987
00:36:03,651 --> 00:36:05,876
in France, I would assume in Paris. Mh.

988
00:36:06,114 --> 00:36:08,577
Where where Bishop Jose, I think is is

989
00:36:08,577 --> 00:36:09,132
originally from.

990
00:36:10,662 --> 00:36:11,162
So

991
00:36:11,780 --> 00:36:14,255
there were 2 guests for this

992
00:36:15,453 --> 00:36:15,772
devotion.

993
00:36:16,331 --> 00:36:17,310
1 is

994
00:36:17,768 --> 00:36:18,268
brother

995
00:36:19,777 --> 00:36:20,834
Peter Bit,

996
00:36:21,368 --> 00:36:23,458
who was an Olympia pin in 19

997
00:36:23,912 --> 00:36:24,708
84,

998
00:36:25,105 --> 00:36:27,093
he won a couple of gold medals and

999
00:36:27,093 --> 00:36:30,367
then maybe some silver or or bronze. Sorry

1000
00:36:30,367 --> 00:36:32,351
if I if I'm if I'm making a

1001
00:36:32,351 --> 00:36:34,097
mistake, but I'm sure that he got a

1002
00:36:34,097 --> 00:36:35,606
couple of gold medals.

1003
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:36,820
And

1004
00:36:37,748 --> 00:36:40,251
an active church member, he's been

1005
00:36:41,184 --> 00:36:42,456
serving in different colleagues,

1006
00:36:43,650 --> 00:36:45,161
according to the article from Church News.

1007
00:36:45,734 --> 00:36:47,275
He attended to all

1008
00:36:47,655 --> 00:36:50,694
the Olympic games since 19 84.

1009
00:36:51,014 --> 00:36:52,855
And then on every 4 years, he attended

1010
00:36:52,855 --> 00:36:55,520
all of them, except for the 20 16

1011
00:36:56,213 --> 00:36:57,985
because he was serving as a mission present

1012
00:36:58,122 --> 00:36:59,156
in Australia.

1013
00:36:59,871 --> 00:37:02,354
So he missed that because he was in

1014
00:37:02,354 --> 00:37:05,071
in in a in a more important role

1015
00:37:05,071 --> 00:37:06,909
as a mission present. So so he had

1016
00:37:06,909 --> 00:37:09,327
just keep that. But he attended

1017
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:14,349
First, as a for Olympia, but also us

1018
00:37:14,349 --> 00:37:16,184
the 1 of the members of the Young

1019
00:37:16,184 --> 00:37:17,620
men general advisory,

1020
00:37:18,113 --> 00:37:18,589
Castle.

1021
00:37:19,304 --> 00:37:21,368
So there is another interesting thing. Right? I

1022
00:37:21,368 --> 00:37:23,353
mean, we're gonna Olympia that is an active

1023
00:37:23,353 --> 00:37:24,941
church member that has been serving in the

1024
00:37:24,941 --> 00:37:26,449
church and it's been an active member of

1025
00:37:26,449 --> 00:37:27,059
the church

1026
00:37:28,292 --> 00:37:30,462
who also is are actually currently

1027
00:37:30,837 --> 00:37:33,143
member of the advisory council in the young

1028
00:37:33,143 --> 00:37:35,847
men. So that is great. Right? I mean,

1029
00:37:36,005 --> 00:37:36,983
that that's always

1030
00:37:37,294 --> 00:37:39,951
good to hear. And I think those are

1031
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:41,230
this kind of

1032
00:37:41,608 --> 00:37:44,165
uplifting experiences and stories to to to be

1033
00:37:44,165 --> 00:37:44,405
told.

1034
00:37:45,768 --> 00:37:47,116
Where are your takes on the Olympic olympics

1035
00:37:47,116 --> 00:37:47,354
study?

1036
00:37:47,988 --> 00:37:51,239
Well, IIII

1037
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,003
really enjoyed the Olympics? I don't have as

1038
00:37:53,003 --> 00:37:54,519
much of a tradition of watching it. Like,

1039
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:56,355
I do have a tradition of following,

1040
00:37:56,994 --> 00:37:58,770
football tournament well, soccer tournaments

1041
00:37:59,148 --> 00:38:02,273
for American listeners. So It's football. It's football.

1042
00:38:02,432 --> 00:38:05,461
Yeah. Yeah soccer. Associate association football for the

1043
00:38:05,461 --> 00:38:05,940
p. Yes.

1044
00:38:06,737 --> 00:38:08,171
And and I do come from

1045
00:38:08,983 --> 00:38:12,323
month long kind of in in super kind

1046
00:38:12,323 --> 00:38:15,106
of intense period of watching 2 of these

1047
00:38:15,106 --> 00:38:17,585
tournaments, the euros in in Europe, and and

1048
00:38:17,585 --> 00:38:19,252
the Cop America and with explained in the

1049
00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:19,649
Us.

1050
00:38:21,077 --> 00:38:23,855
And the Cop America are really terrible times

1051
00:38:23,855 --> 00:38:25,362
here in the Uk, you know, in the

1052
00:38:25,362 --> 00:38:28,242
kind of early morning hours or in just

1053
00:38:28,242 --> 00:38:28,958
right after midnight.

1054
00:38:29,755 --> 00:38:31,267
We did really poorly with Chile, but it

1055
00:38:31,267 --> 00:38:32,381
was AAAA

1056
00:38:32,381 --> 00:38:34,703
fun tournament to early to watch. Well, actually,

1057
00:38:34,783 --> 00:38:36,612
it wasn't that fun this year. But... No.

1058
00:38:36,851 --> 00:38:38,759
It was weird. It was weird. The euros

1059
00:38:38,759 --> 00:38:40,509
were better. So I I do have that

1060
00:38:40,509 --> 00:38:42,338
tradition, and I think the Olympics in my

1061
00:38:42,338 --> 00:38:43,474
life have been kind of

1062
00:38:44,182 --> 00:38:45,059
kind of an add on,

1063
00:38:46,414 --> 00:38:48,487
but I do remember a few that were

1064
00:38:48,487 --> 00:38:51,117
very significant for for us as a country

1065
00:38:51,117 --> 00:38:51,617
because

1066
00:38:52,167 --> 00:38:53,679
we rarely do well, You know, we don't

1067
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:56,701
have a super Olympia indian tradition, but during

1068
00:38:56,701 --> 00:39:00,296
my youth fears of, in Sydney 2000, the

1069
00:39:00,375 --> 00:39:02,682
Chilean football team went Soccer team,

1070
00:39:03,478 --> 00:39:05,148
association football team went and played and got

1071
00:39:05,228 --> 00:39:07,079
Bronze medal and it was the first

1072
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,059
olympic metal that I ever saw my country

1073
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:11,960
getting. And on a sport that I actually

1074
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:12,199
follow,

1075
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,851
it was super... Super super fun. And then

1076
00:39:14,851 --> 00:39:17,005
the the in the next ones in Athens

1077
00:39:17,005 --> 00:39:17,723
2004,

1078
00:39:18,441 --> 00:39:20,515
till it got a few, tennis metals,

1079
00:39:21,249 --> 00:39:23,507
the gold medal for bent singles and

1080
00:39:23,885 --> 00:39:24,605
also the doubles.

1081
00:39:25,244 --> 00:39:27,800
Yeah. 2 medals. Yeah. The... And then the

1082
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,252
next 1 we got silver. So there was

1083
00:39:29,252 --> 00:39:31,028
a good generation there in the 2 thousands

1084
00:39:31,167 --> 00:39:32,922
that represented you quite well in the Olympics

1085
00:39:32,922 --> 00:39:34,438
and I think that that brought me closer.

1086
00:39:35,156 --> 00:39:35,769
So it

1087
00:39:36,842 --> 00:39:39,147
but but, yeah I think it's... I think

1088
00:39:39,147 --> 00:39:39,647
sports

1089
00:39:41,133 --> 00:39:44,413
are kind of a, a reduction has simplification,

1090
00:39:44,652 --> 00:39:45,791
but a really fair

1091
00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:48,567
representation as well of life in general. 1

1092
00:39:48,567 --> 00:39:49,366
of the reasons why, like,

1093
00:39:50,659 --> 00:39:52,816
football slash soak so much is because of

1094
00:39:52,816 --> 00:39:54,414
all the metaphors, all of the kind of

1095
00:39:54,414 --> 00:39:57,130
perilous that you can draw from football stories

1096
00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:59,533
or from from all of that into real

1097
00:39:59,533 --> 00:40:01,599
life, and III truly truly enjoy that, and

1098
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:03,586
I think that's true of most if not

1099
00:40:03,984 --> 00:40:05,278
all sports. So

1100
00:40:05,828 --> 00:40:07,584
it will be a few few months. And

1101
00:40:07,584 --> 00:40:09,099
and I do wonder who this of these

1102
00:40:09,099 --> 00:40:11,334
other All implants are. That there's a nice

1103
00:40:11,334 --> 00:40:13,344
list there in the church news for all

1104
00:40:13,344 --> 00:40:14,385
of you to check

1105
00:40:15,184 --> 00:40:17,264
that that are on on multiple disciplines. We

1106
00:40:17,264 --> 00:40:18,304
have a lot of people you kind of

1107
00:40:18,304 --> 00:40:20,085
track and and kind of running

1108
00:40:20,625 --> 00:40:21,905
and things like that. And it it makes

1109
00:40:21,905 --> 00:40:22,464
me think, like,

1110
00:40:23,197 --> 00:40:24,948
maybe there are some missing there because I

1111
00:40:25,027 --> 00:40:26,698
I saw mainly people from the Us. I

1112
00:40:26,698 --> 00:40:28,152
think there was 1 from Australia

1113
00:40:28,607 --> 00:40:31,311
called out. I was actually just googling now.

1114
00:40:31,883 --> 00:40:33,573
To see if someone that I know

1115
00:40:34,105 --> 00:40:36,485
is going to be there. That there was

1116
00:40:36,485 --> 00:40:38,628
a this is public information. He's a public

1117
00:40:38,628 --> 00:40:39,978
figure. So that's why I shared it. It

1118
00:40:39,978 --> 00:40:40,349
it's

1119
00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:42,697
he was a member of of my old

1120
00:40:42,697 --> 00:40:43,197
ward

1121
00:40:43,971 --> 00:40:45,802
from Sam that moved to the Uk because

1122
00:40:45,802 --> 00:40:47,791
he's playing for the Sara. A a big

1123
00:40:47,791 --> 00:40:49,622
rugby team in the the Rugby league here.

1124
00:40:50,353 --> 00:40:53,693
And he's been playing professionally there the last

1125
00:40:53,693 --> 00:40:54,329
couple of years.

1126
00:40:56,157 --> 00:40:57,986
His name is Theo Mc. You can rule

1127
00:40:57,986 --> 00:41:00,317
him, he's been playing for the Sam national

1128
00:41:00,317 --> 00:41:02,234
team, Rugby team. He was in the rugby

1129
00:41:02,234 --> 00:41:04,791
world cup in France last year. And he...

1130
00:41:05,271 --> 00:41:07,037
Like Sam, but him as well. He was

1131
00:41:07,037 --> 00:41:08,784
in the starting lineup up to play against

1132
00:41:08,943 --> 00:41:11,485
Chile in the Robbie World cup. So I

1133
00:41:11,564 --> 00:41:13,232
I saw the. So he was, like, the

1134
00:41:13,232 --> 00:41:14,820
the this guy from my war. That's how

1135
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:16,427
he first met him. Him is playing the

1136
00:41:16,507 --> 00:41:18,023
Rugby world cup against my country. It was,

1137
00:41:18,102 --> 00:41:20,415
like, that the intersection was really really odd.

1138
00:41:20,734 --> 00:41:23,207
So and somehow will be playing Rugby in

1139
00:41:23,207 --> 00:41:25,041
in in Building olympics. So I was checking

1140
00:41:25,041 --> 00:41:26,973
easy there. And I found some news that

1141
00:41:26,973 --> 00:41:29,051
he was made kind of, national team captain,

1142
00:41:29,211 --> 00:41:31,369
but I cannot confirm if it's for for

1143
00:41:31,369 --> 00:41:34,245
the Olympics, but church news, maybe maybe you

1144
00:41:34,245 --> 00:41:36,099
do your research, check there. There might be

1145
00:41:36,099 --> 00:41:37,640
an extra 1 to add if

1146
00:41:38,099 --> 00:41:40,099
if theo You have any included. Yes. Yeah.

1147
00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:42,019
He invited us a couple years ago,

1148
00:41:42,673 --> 00:41:44,981
he invited us in the Bishop brick to

1149
00:41:44,981 --> 00:41:46,492
go to the semi finals that they played,

1150
00:41:46,572 --> 00:41:48,322
they they made it to the to the

1151
00:41:48,322 --> 00:41:50,152
finals last year. We we saw the the

1152
00:41:50,152 --> 00:41:50,869
first semi my final.

1153
00:41:51,759 --> 00:41:53,271
And it was quite fun to. It was

1154
00:41:53,271 --> 00:41:54,782
my first rugby game. I ever watched,

1155
00:41:55,658 --> 00:41:57,329
they're in the stadium and everything, then he

1156
00:41:57,329 --> 00:41:58,840
took us to the, kind of Vip lounge.

1157
00:41:59,573 --> 00:42:02,844
Super strong guys. Super nice. Yeah. Yeah. Incredible

1158
00:42:02,844 --> 00:42:04,201
and incredible. So best of luck to him,

1159
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:06,929
regardless of whether he's on the Olympics, or

1160
00:42:06,929 --> 00:42:08,685
not. And like that, I wonder how many

1161
00:42:08,685 --> 00:42:09,185
others

1162
00:42:09,563 --> 00:42:10,920
might might be there. I'm pretty sure from

1163
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,757
Latin America, there might be a few, maybe

1164
00:42:12,757 --> 00:42:14,912
in the local pages for the Lia 1

1165
00:42:14,912 --> 00:42:17,001
could be. Yes. It could be. Yeah. But

1166
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,309
I'm not... I'm not aware. And again, it's

1167
00:42:19,309 --> 00:42:21,618
just, you know, how you you translate this

1168
00:42:21,618 --> 00:42:23,528
information, to how you, you know, send this

1169
00:42:23,528 --> 00:42:25,771
information. Yeah. You make sure that it's accurate

1170
00:42:25,771 --> 00:42:27,680
and and clear on everything. Did you ever

1171
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,226
get any any rumors or here any rumors

1172
00:42:30,226 --> 00:42:30,703
of

1173
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:33,677
and famous sports people that would have been

1174
00:42:33,732 --> 00:42:35,317
members of the church growing up or things

1175
00:42:35,317 --> 00:42:37,853
like? Yeah. I mean, definitely. There there were

1176
00:42:37,853 --> 00:42:38,353
some

1177
00:42:38,979 --> 00:42:41,217
Yes. But but... It happens with musicians more.

1178
00:42:41,377 --> 00:42:42,815
I... At least Won't mind, you know, I

1179
00:42:42,815 --> 00:42:44,653
can think of yes. Of a few, but

1180
00:42:44,653 --> 00:42:45,932
but sports people, not...

1181
00:42:46,651 --> 00:42:49,063
I mean, sports people is kind of tricky

1182
00:42:49,063 --> 00:42:50,579
because if you haven't seen them at church

1183
00:42:50,579 --> 00:42:52,813
or, you know, someone that haven't seen them

1184
00:42:52,813 --> 00:42:55,148
at church, then it's just, you know, just

1185
00:42:55,446 --> 00:42:55,946
urban

1186
00:42:56,338 --> 00:42:58,569
legends. Right? Yeah. It's not really there. Right?

1187
00:42:58,728 --> 00:43:00,481
So well, I do know a couple that

1188
00:43:00,481 --> 00:43:00,959
come to mind.

1189
00:43:01,676 --> 00:43:03,844
1 is completely fake. I'm pretty sure, but

1190
00:43:03,844 --> 00:43:05,202
there was a rumor that I heard growing

1191
00:43:05,202 --> 00:43:07,120
up that Michael Owen. He was a forward

1192
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,317
for the for the for England. He he's

1193
00:43:10,317 --> 00:43:11,855
english. Okay. He he played

1194
00:43:13,048 --> 00:43:14,407
some of the top teams here. He played

1195
00:43:14,407 --> 00:43:16,005
in Re madrid in the 2 thousands.

1196
00:43:16,884 --> 00:43:18,483
And there was a rumor that he was

1197
00:43:18,483 --> 00:43:20,400
a member, like, but that's completely fake. I'm

1198
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:20,800
pretty sure.

1199
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:22,967
There there was a,

1200
00:43:24,879 --> 00:43:26,313
a brother in Chile.

1201
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:28,960
That both of us know. That in the

1202
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,980
eighties used to play for the

1203
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:31,679
for the

1204
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:35,199
Chile team. The the the second biggest team

1205
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:35,599
in Chile,

1206
00:43:37,373 --> 00:43:39,469
And yeah. I think he was a gold

1207
00:43:39,528 --> 00:43:41,603
there during during... But it's not rumor. That's

1208
00:43:41,603 --> 00:43:44,097
true. Yes. That's absolutely true. Yeah. That's factual.

1209
00:43:44,968 --> 00:43:47,034
And he like added into the Olympics anyways.

1210
00:43:47,272 --> 00:43:49,416
I know just a professional soccer player, but

1211
00:43:49,416 --> 00:43:51,085
that's it. Right Yeah. And and eventually, think

1212
00:43:51,085 --> 00:43:53,230
he retired and you met a career in

1213
00:43:53,388 --> 00:43:55,790
Cs. So that's a Nothing turn up. But,

1214
00:43:55,869 --> 00:43:57,304
yeah. I can't think of that that anymore.

1215
00:43:57,862 --> 00:43:59,774
So best of it you were all in

1216
00:43:59,774 --> 00:44:01,048
keyboard? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah Right.

1217
00:44:01,766 --> 00:44:02,961
As well. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

1218
00:44:04,649 --> 00:44:07,276
He was a very popular soccer player in

1219
00:44:07,276 --> 00:44:08,788
his time, and then he became

1220
00:44:10,141 --> 00:44:13,101
whatever trade. Yeah. A coach football coach. He

1221
00:44:13,101 --> 00:44:15,804
actually a world champion in in 19 86

1222
00:44:15,804 --> 00:44:18,588
with Mara. He was the substitute for the

1223
00:44:18,588 --> 00:44:19,088
diego,

1224
00:44:19,463 --> 00:44:21,212
whom listeners might know if you know, a

1225
00:44:21,212 --> 00:44:22,166
tiny bit above football.

1226
00:44:22,818 --> 00:44:24,813
Allegedly, the greatest prayer of all time for

1227
00:44:24,813 --> 00:44:26,648
some. There's always is gonna be a debate

1228
00:44:26,648 --> 00:44:27,047
between him,

1229
00:44:27,765 --> 00:44:29,280
messi now and others.

1230
00:44:29,934 --> 00:44:30,434
But

1231
00:44:30,970 --> 00:44:31,288
yeah,

1232
00:44:31,926 --> 00:44:33,759
tell you about this his name. He... He...

1233
00:44:34,397 --> 00:44:37,505
He was running raised. Yeah. Yeah. In Argentina.

1234
00:44:37,998 --> 00:44:39,987
Yeah. And I remember an interview that they

1235
00:44:39,987 --> 00:44:41,659
made to him in the mid or late

1236
00:44:41,659 --> 00:44:43,966
2 thousands when he was coaching Cola cola,

1237
00:44:44,125 --> 00:44:45,557
the the team that I like in Chile,

1238
00:44:45,717 --> 00:44:46,671
you know, the the biggest team.

1239
00:44:47,403 --> 00:44:47,903
And

1240
00:44:48,521 --> 00:44:50,356
he was interviewed. He was asked questions about

1241
00:44:50,356 --> 00:44:51,712
the church, and he was like, yeah. It

1242
00:44:51,712 --> 00:44:53,627
was a really nice childhood, like, got going

1243
00:44:53,627 --> 00:44:55,635
to church and went But eventually, it was

1244
00:44:55,635 --> 00:44:57,226
not, like my lifestyle, You know, I had

1245
00:44:57,226 --> 00:45:00,010
some other interest and passions people that that

1246
00:45:00,010 --> 00:45:02,477
way. He's said he's such a Argentinian and

1247
00:45:02,477 --> 00:45:04,874
very Argentinian answer for? Yeah. Question like that

1248
00:45:04,953 --> 00:45:07,092
Yet. Like, he like light barbecue and a

1249
00:45:07,092 --> 00:45:08,994
salvador and all that. And and probably some

1250
00:45:08,994 --> 00:45:09,786
other things as well,

1251
00:45:10,737 --> 00:45:12,585
alcohol. Right and and and whatnot, but, Great

1252
00:45:12,585 --> 00:45:14,818
guy, he's a Tv pun now, and I

1253
00:45:14,818 --> 00:45:16,811
regularly listen to him in his his program.

1254
00:45:16,971 --> 00:45:17,471
So,

1255
00:45:17,928 --> 00:45:19,921
for Argentinian listeners, you will know who that

1256
00:45:19,921 --> 00:45:21,926
is and Chilean for sure and many others

1257
00:45:21,926 --> 00:45:24,629
from Latin America who... Because he... He coached

1258
00:45:24,629 --> 00:45:25,822
some of the biggest teams there. He coached

1259
00:45:25,901 --> 00:45:28,207
Boca Junior, allegedly 1 of the biggest if

1260
00:45:28,207 --> 00:45:31,416
not, the biggest the. Yeah. The same with

1261
00:45:31,496 --> 00:45:34,212
Coca color radius Yes. Exactly. And he coached

1262
00:45:34,212 --> 00:45:37,024
the Chilean national Football team. So great guy.

1263
00:45:37,503 --> 00:45:39,262
I don't know if if he'll ever hear

1264
00:45:39,262 --> 00:45:41,179
this. I do remember some pictures of him

1265
00:45:41,179 --> 00:45:42,159
wearing the By

1266
00:45:43,018 --> 00:45:45,175
kit because b the By football team went

1267
00:45:45,175 --> 00:45:46,110
to Chile ones

1268
00:45:46,548 --> 00:45:48,859
around that same time. It was 20 20

1269
00:45:48,859 --> 00:45:52,046
10 or or 20007

1270
00:45:52,046 --> 00:45:53,242
2008 that you reckon.

1271
00:45:53,894 --> 00:45:56,135
And they played a friendly game against Coca

1272
00:45:56,135 --> 00:45:58,135
cola, the the biggest team. So, there's are

1273
00:45:58,135 --> 00:45:58,295
some,

1274
00:45:59,175 --> 00:46:00,614
there were there was a photo up and

1275
00:46:00,614 --> 00:46:01,894
we see Bt where you wearing in the

1276
00:46:02,055 --> 00:46:04,383
By t shirts. So that's really cool. The

1277
00:46:04,383 --> 00:46:05,974
why... That's really cool. Yeah.

1278
00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:07,009
Super.

1279
00:46:07,724 --> 00:46:08,224
Next

1280
00:46:08,998 --> 00:46:10,373
so thinking about this

1281
00:46:10,684 --> 00:46:11,985
same, you know, famous

1282
00:46:12,285 --> 00:46:13,164
ish kind of,

1283
00:46:13,805 --> 00:46:14,305
news

1284
00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:16,465
rule, like just to mention this

1285
00:46:16,925 --> 00:46:18,465
viral video that's been

1286
00:46:19,085 --> 00:46:21,807
around for some couple of days now of

1287
00:46:21,807 --> 00:46:23,796
a missionary that is coming home, I think.

1288
00:46:23,955 --> 00:46:26,341
He's in the airport because he's finally kind

1289
00:46:26,341 --> 00:46:28,091
of peeking him up after his mission,

1290
00:46:28,742 --> 00:46:31,067
and he's delivering a book of mormon to

1291
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,661
post my loan. The owner I think of

1292
00:46:33,661 --> 00:46:35,644
a fast food restaurant in Utah, I I

1293
00:46:35,644 --> 00:46:38,604
would... It's it's Alright. In my understanding. Yes.

1294
00:46:38,843 --> 00:46:40,858
Yes. So Post malone is this

1295
00:46:41,474 --> 00:46:43,707
musician that is very, very popular. I mean,

1296
00:46:43,867 --> 00:46:45,063
I I would dare to say that it's

1297
00:46:45,063 --> 00:46:48,214
really, really popular. Yeah. So this missionary this

1298
00:46:48,355 --> 00:46:48,855
returning,

1299
00:46:49,554 --> 00:46:51,954
and I like to use this returning, missionary,

1300
00:46:53,474 --> 00:46:54,914
invites him to read the book of mormon

1301
00:46:54,914 --> 00:46:57,243
to accept you know, a copy of it.

1302
00:46:57,402 --> 00:46:59,712
And then post malone accepted it. So that

1303
00:46:59,712 --> 00:47:01,704
was great. And you... I mean, if you've

1304
00:47:01,704 --> 00:47:03,376
seen the video or you haven't, then if

1305
00:47:03,376 --> 00:47:05,025
you find it, then you will notice is

1306
00:47:05,304 --> 00:47:05,804
his

1307
00:47:06,263 --> 00:47:09,299
face of happiness and joy about having the

1308
00:47:09,299 --> 00:47:11,056
opportunity to, you know, to to share the

1309
00:47:11,056 --> 00:47:12,255
book mormon with post malone.

1310
00:47:12,909 --> 00:47:15,141
I mean, it's not my type of artist

1311
00:47:15,141 --> 00:47:17,134
anymore, again, we're I'm too old for for

1312
00:47:17,134 --> 00:47:19,127
for Post malone malone, probably, I... If I

1313
00:47:19,127 --> 00:47:21,041
hear a song, I might not recognize him.

1314
00:47:21,693 --> 00:47:23,864
However, I think it's just significant

1315
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,046
that a a young returning machinery

1316
00:47:27,422 --> 00:47:29,968
is still kind of motivated and willing to

1317
00:47:29,968 --> 00:47:32,536
to share the compartment and the gospel with

1318
00:47:32,536 --> 00:47:34,851
with anyone. Right? Being famous or not. Right?

1319
00:47:35,729 --> 00:47:37,965
So I think it's just a meme, but

1320
00:47:37,965 --> 00:47:39,162
at the same time, I think it's just

1321
00:47:39,162 --> 00:47:40,494
good to to see this

1322
00:47:40,934 --> 00:47:41,754
as as

1323
00:47:42,132 --> 00:47:43,890
don't be shy. Don't shy away your light

1324
00:47:43,890 --> 00:47:45,189
and then don't

1325
00:47:45,648 --> 00:47:47,805
don't leave opportunities that are presented.

1326
00:47:49,179 --> 00:47:50,860
In front of you. To share the gospel.

1327
00:47:51,099 --> 00:47:51,340
So that's...

1328
00:47:52,139 --> 00:47:55,179
Yeah. All all credit to post malone for

1329
00:47:55,179 --> 00:47:57,512
being super nice on that video. If you

1330
00:47:57,512 --> 00:47:59,103
haven't seen it, just look it up, like,

1331
00:47:59,342 --> 00:48:00,057
post my malone,

1332
00:48:00,614 --> 00:48:02,126
more of a missionary or something like that,

1333
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:03,739
and

1334
00:48:04,209 --> 00:48:06,201
and you you'll find it on Tiktok or

1335
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:08,591
Instagram or or whatever, or many new articles

1336
00:48:08,671 --> 00:48:10,981
I have featured it. And, yeah. He... The

1337
00:48:10,981 --> 00:48:12,654
way he responds is super chill. He's, like,

1338
00:48:12,734 --> 00:48:13,530
wearing his Pajamas,

1339
00:48:14,820 --> 00:48:16,732
kind of going through security here. Everyone works

1340
00:48:16,732 --> 00:48:19,202
his Bms on a daily basis. That's. So.

1341
00:48:19,361 --> 00:48:21,432
I mean I don't know. Yes. Yeah. It's

1342
00:48:21,432 --> 00:48:23,757
a thing III believe but But, yeah, He's

1343
00:48:23,757 --> 00:48:26,387
super gracious and, you know, I I doubt

1344
00:48:26,626 --> 00:48:28,241
Lead to anything but I'm pretty sure that

1345
00:48:28,298 --> 00:48:30,870
will have that story to tell forever. And

1346
00:48:31,088 --> 00:48:33,054
and, you know, in in order kind of

1347
00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:35,876
church lore in our church culture. You know,

1348
00:48:36,035 --> 00:48:37,625
these things really realistic. We we'd love to

1349
00:48:37,625 --> 00:48:39,930
see that type of stuff and make those

1350
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:40,963
connections. I remember that,

1351
00:48:42,568 --> 00:48:43,046
I think

1352
00:48:43,604 --> 00:48:45,835
photoshop picture of years ago, kind of pre

1353
00:48:45,914 --> 00:48:49,101
Ai era of Snoop dogg with with double

1354
00:48:49,101 --> 00:48:50,775
form. Do you remember that 1 from within

1355
00:48:50,775 --> 00:48:51,411
the shops Yes.

1356
00:48:52,223 --> 00:48:53,597
And and and

1357
00:48:54,051 --> 00:48:56,594
it was usually on April April fools, day

1358
00:48:56,594 --> 00:48:58,263
will come up and and things like that.

1359
00:48:58,422 --> 00:48:59,478
But what... Yeah. We

1360
00:48:59,788 --> 00:49:02,253
we'd love the type that. Yeah. Yeah. And

1361
00:49:02,253 --> 00:49:04,401
and and it's cool, like, III get it.

1362
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:07,104
And it it's also good to see kind

1363
00:49:07,104 --> 00:49:09,433
of musicians that may have a stereotype for

1364
00:49:09,902 --> 00:49:11,911
for being rude or kind of Rockstar

1365
00:49:12,284 --> 00:49:15,065
or type of devil attitude to just be

1366
00:49:15,065 --> 00:49:15,302
nice,

1367
00:49:16,335 --> 00:49:18,498
nice people. So again, The only thing I

1368
00:49:18,498 --> 00:49:20,731
do know about Boss malone other than,

1369
00:49:21,608 --> 00:49:22,964
I'm not a fan of kind of his

1370
00:49:22,964 --> 00:49:25,038
official music is that he has made some

1371
00:49:25,038 --> 00:49:27,431
pretty good covers of kind of nineties rock.

1372
00:49:27,924 --> 00:49:30,550
Yes. And from chains. Yeah. I was changed,

1373
00:49:30,949 --> 00:49:34,052
Nirvana, and and, that's more of my type

1374
00:49:34,052 --> 00:49:36,202
of music in yours danny, yeah, for listeners.

1375
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:37,396
Yes. Absolutely.

1376
00:49:37,889 --> 00:49:40,539
Actually, for those Missed some of our previous

1377
00:49:40,597 --> 00:49:41,473
episodes with Danny,

1378
00:49:42,110 --> 00:49:44,341
both of us have a rock band, and,

1379
00:49:44,819 --> 00:49:46,492
both had it for over 10 years. Now

1380
00:49:46,492 --> 00:49:49,379
we released good 3, 4 albums and all

1381
00:49:49,379 --> 00:49:51,375
spotify it's called Grand Capitals.

1382
00:49:52,093 --> 00:49:52,492
And,

1383
00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:55,365
a lot of inspiration for music comes from

1384
00:49:55,365 --> 00:49:57,453
that era. From that alternative rock and all

1385
00:49:57,453 --> 00:49:59,764
of that. And I have this this image

1386
00:49:59,764 --> 00:50:02,472
of Pos being this kind of trap urban,

1387
00:50:03,428 --> 00:50:05,101
auto altitude, type of music.

1388
00:50:05,832 --> 00:50:08,054
The, you know, I I didn't even bother

1389
00:50:08,054 --> 00:50:09,482
listening to. But then once he came out

1390
00:50:09,482 --> 00:50:12,259
with this covers and him actually singing with

1391
00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:14,655
a pretty pretty nice voice, I was quite

1392
00:50:14,655 --> 00:50:16,405
impressed. I was like, it's great to see

1393
00:50:16,405 --> 00:50:18,951
that there's is musicians musicians shit there, and

1394
00:50:19,110 --> 00:50:20,994
I was glad that my prejudice was

1395
00:50:21,832 --> 00:50:22,571
kind of broke.

1396
00:50:23,028 --> 00:50:24,544
Yes. And Was like that. Okay. I'm not

1397
00:50:24,544 --> 00:50:25,980
gonna listen to his stuff, but, you know,

1398
00:50:26,298 --> 00:50:27,575
respect and I should probably be a bit

1399
00:50:27,575 --> 00:50:30,127
more open minded and respectful. A bit more

1400
00:50:30,127 --> 00:50:30,980
respectful. I think

1401
00:50:31,576 --> 00:50:34,759
about the artist not current artist, even though

1402
00:50:34,759 --> 00:50:35,736
they're not your

1403
00:50:36,270 --> 00:50:37,941
favorite flavor at least you get, you know,

1404
00:50:38,594 --> 00:50:40,587
they expect for what they're doing. It's like

1405
00:50:40,587 --> 00:50:43,218
that Possible Paul said, approval things, hold fast

1406
00:50:43,218 --> 00:50:45,392
to that, which is good. If I'm para,

1407
00:50:46,088 --> 00:50:48,176
the King version correct. I know that I

1408
00:50:48,176 --> 00:50:49,132
will be better in Spanish.

1409
00:50:50,885 --> 00:50:52,480
Well, thank you post my loan then for

1410
00:50:52,798 --> 00:50:54,153
popping up in our 3 episode.

1411
00:50:55,444 --> 00:50:58,340
So we've got another very interesting

1412
00:50:59,279 --> 00:51:01,696
piece of news article there ready to

1413
00:51:02,728 --> 00:51:05,063
Elder, a sister O that we're

1414
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:05,940
doing

1415
00:51:06,318 --> 00:51:08,710
a visit to Central Europe,

1416
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:12,140
particularly Germany where they are originally from.

1417
00:51:12,871 --> 00:51:15,020
And and I think it's just interesting to

1418
00:51:15,020 --> 00:51:17,248
to take some minutes on it because they

1419
00:51:17,248 --> 00:51:18,304
visited very

1420
00:51:20,288 --> 00:51:22,763
unusual places for for, you know, leaders of

1421
00:51:22,763 --> 00:51:24,759
the church. And and I hope you you

1422
00:51:24,759 --> 00:51:26,755
you can kinda of follow my my train

1423
00:51:26,755 --> 00:51:29,070
of thought here. But, I mean, usually,

1424
00:51:30,043 --> 00:51:32,757
Church leaders would go to the first branch

1425
00:51:32,757 --> 00:51:34,933
or the first word or the first organized

1426
00:51:34,992 --> 00:51:37,387
stake. Right? They would meet with local leaders.

1427
00:51:37,626 --> 00:51:39,500
They would meet with probably some,

1428
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,739
you know, people from from

1429
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:43,719
social, you know,

1430
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:45,079
organizations. Right?

1431
00:51:45,732 --> 00:51:48,267
But the ugg gu du visited some of

1432
00:51:48,267 --> 00:51:50,961
their childhood places. Right? So 1 of the

1433
00:51:50,961 --> 00:51:51,991
first places that were living,

1434
00:51:53,672 --> 00:51:56,215
they paid some some respects and and contributes

1435
00:51:56,215 --> 00:51:58,043
to people that died

1436
00:51:58,996 --> 00:51:59,949
during the holocaust.

1437
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:04,422
1 of the first missionaries that died in

1438
00:52:04,581 --> 00:52:07,051
Germany as well. So I think the visit

1439
00:52:07,051 --> 00:52:09,282
was very interesting in that respect. I'm not

1440
00:52:09,282 --> 00:52:12,108
saying they didn't get together with the local

1441
00:52:12,247 --> 00:52:14,242
leadership or members of the church, but I'm

1442
00:52:14,242 --> 00:52:16,896
saying that they also visited places that are

1443
00:52:17,434 --> 00:52:18,652
historically significant.

1444
00:52:19,523 --> 00:52:22,628
Both for themselves, but also for, you know,

1445
00:52:22,946 --> 00:52:25,333
the wider historical audience. Right? Mh. Some of

1446
00:52:25,333 --> 00:52:26,766
the places that we've got here in the

1447
00:52:26,766 --> 00:52:28,142
piece in the piece

1448
00:52:29,487 --> 00:52:31,794
are Germany Frankfurt, Berlin, Hamburg,

1449
00:52:33,464 --> 00:52:33,862
Alpine,

1450
00:52:35,453 --> 00:52:38,255
the Alpine from the German speaking side, and

1451
00:52:38,255 --> 00:52:39,153
then the

1452
00:52:39,847 --> 00:52:41,440
such s work missions,

1453
00:52:43,272 --> 00:52:44,329
this is at the

1454
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,940
They had a conference in Switzerland in Sur

1455
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,920
and in Dresden also in Germany.

1456
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:52,420
So

1457
00:52:52,893 --> 00:52:53,713
I think that's

1458
00:52:54,090 --> 00:52:56,722
fantastic. I mean, it's again showing the importance...

1459
00:52:58,237 --> 00:53:00,391
I think for church leaders to acknowledge, you

1460
00:53:00,391 --> 00:53:02,066
know, this historical places us.

1461
00:53:02,798 --> 00:53:03,298
Also

1462
00:53:03,988 --> 00:53:05,812
places that you... We should remember.

1463
00:53:06,447 --> 00:53:06,947
And

1464
00:53:07,875 --> 00:53:09,540
if if we narrow it down to to

1465
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:10,333
the to the minimum,

1466
00:53:11,064 --> 00:53:11,963
these are also

1467
00:53:12,342 --> 00:53:14,340
spiritual places to be reminded of. Right? I

1468
00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:16,258
mean, play... The first place where you were

1469
00:53:16,258 --> 00:53:17,936
living when the missionaries is knock on your

1470
00:53:17,936 --> 00:53:20,027
door or your first house or the place

1471
00:53:20,027 --> 00:53:22,573
where you started, you know, developing your testimony,

1472
00:53:23,847 --> 00:53:25,517
particularly, for a member of the core member

1473
00:53:25,517 --> 00:53:28,025
of the core mutual apostles. It is a

1474
00:53:28,085 --> 00:53:29,864
spiritual place as well. Right? It is

1475
00:53:30,724 --> 00:53:32,484
I'm not saying a a place to worship,

1476
00:53:32,644 --> 00:53:34,579
but at least for them for their own

1477
00:53:34,579 --> 00:53:36,980
personal experiences is a significant place to visit

1478
00:53:36,980 --> 00:53:39,059
and to be able to share it, and

1479
00:53:39,059 --> 00:53:40,819
they've been able to share some of the

1480
00:53:40,819 --> 00:53:41,960
picture and some of the visits

1481
00:53:42,353 --> 00:53:44,900
through their account in Instagram. So I think

1482
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:47,765
it's just great again. For the members of

1483
00:53:47,765 --> 00:53:50,472
the church in church adjacent and people that

1484
00:53:50,472 --> 00:53:51,347
that know him,

1485
00:53:52,797 --> 00:53:54,873
to get to see these places. Okay? Not

1486
00:53:54,873 --> 00:53:57,586
not only from general conference talks, but, you

1487
00:53:57,586 --> 00:53:59,981
know, the actual image of the place where

1488
00:53:59,981 --> 00:54:01,748
where they use So I don't know what

1489
00:54:01,748 --> 00:54:03,655
to think about it, Danny. I... Yeah. Thanks

1490
00:54:03,655 --> 00:54:05,086
for bringing this 1 up is it's a

1491
00:54:05,086 --> 00:54:07,232
bit different in tone than some of the

1492
00:54:07,232 --> 00:54:08,424
previous ones we've covered today.

1493
00:54:10,347 --> 00:54:12,175
And even though at face values is like,

1494
00:54:12,334 --> 00:54:14,878
oh, I also visited a place. Right? It

1495
00:54:14,878 --> 00:54:16,070
might not seem significant.

1496
00:54:16,945 --> 00:54:18,853
I I think the places he does visit.

1497
00:54:19,744 --> 00:54:21,342
If we take up a minute maybe to

1498
00:54:21,342 --> 00:54:21,842
think

1499
00:54:22,381 --> 00:54:25,178
about why he visited it and why he

1500
00:54:25,178 --> 00:54:27,116
is deciding to kind of

1501
00:54:28,468 --> 00:54:30,064
shared this as part of kind of a

1502
00:54:30,064 --> 00:54:32,218
coherent narrative, and it it becomes a church

1503
00:54:32,218 --> 00:54:34,292
article in a in an Instagram and Facebook

1504
00:54:34,292 --> 00:54:36,621
post, and and all of that, I think

1505
00:54:36,621 --> 00:54:38,215
there there is a purpose that is not

1506
00:54:38,215 --> 00:54:40,130
maybe super expressly stated there,

1507
00:54:40,768 --> 00:54:42,762
in some cases, yes. So, like, he's visiting

1508
00:54:42,762 --> 00:54:45,806
huge childhood home for some things. But some

1509
00:54:45,806 --> 00:54:47,795
other things that I do take us, you

1510
00:54:47,795 --> 00:54:49,010
know, there are so many

1511
00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:50,680
parallels

1512
00:54:51,453 --> 00:54:53,361
that tend to be drawn with that error.

1513
00:54:53,853 --> 00:54:56,658
That sometimes are uncomfortable. Sometimes our grad

1514
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:58,859
or or and, kind of,

1515
00:54:59,892 --> 00:55:01,059
extreme, but but

1516
00:55:01,497 --> 00:55:03,110
more often than not these days

1517
00:55:03,645 --> 00:55:05,474
do resonate with a lot of the the

1518
00:55:05,474 --> 00:55:06,190
the social,

1519
00:55:06,827 --> 00:55:07,327
political

1520
00:55:08,195 --> 00:55:10,195
even economic trends that we we see around

1521
00:55:10,195 --> 00:55:12,195
the world that I think there's significance on

1522
00:55:12,195 --> 00:55:13,414
revisiting that time

1523
00:55:13,954 --> 00:55:16,914
and to understand the the the impact that

1524
00:55:17,489 --> 00:55:18,386
social prejudice

1525
00:55:18,998 --> 00:55:21,303
and and so many other things have cost.

1526
00:55:22,097 --> 00:55:22,653
I wanna...

1527
00:55:23,369 --> 00:55:25,060
I I believe this is just my personal

1528
00:55:25,355 --> 00:55:27,677
interpretation of it. I wanna believe that part

1529
00:55:27,677 --> 00:55:29,588
of the reason for that visit on on

1530
00:55:29,588 --> 00:55:31,339
on his side is to to kind of

1531
00:55:31,339 --> 00:55:33,887
showcase that a little bit. There's 1 specific

1532
00:55:33,887 --> 00:55:36,052
visit that he made that that is featuring

1533
00:55:36,052 --> 00:55:38,601
the article that for those that are probably

1534
00:55:38,601 --> 00:55:40,297
a bit more, like, church history

1535
00:55:41,883 --> 00:55:43,399
savvy. I don't wanna use our, but, you

1536
00:55:43,399 --> 00:55:46,371
know, more more acquainted with with with history

1537
00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:47,727
beyond what's commonly

1538
00:55:48,344 --> 00:55:50,817
kind of heard, within the walls of our

1539
00:55:50,817 --> 00:55:51,135
classrooms.

1540
00:55:52,186 --> 00:55:54,178
My might know about, for others might be

1541
00:55:54,178 --> 00:55:55,156
new, which is the

1542
00:55:55,612 --> 00:55:57,466
the the story of

1543
00:55:57,922 --> 00:56:00,471
Help on pronouncing this right, Helm Hub.

1544
00:56:01,918 --> 00:56:02,952
A 17 year old,

1545
00:56:03,827 --> 00:56:06,055
that was executed, a church member,

1546
00:56:07,168 --> 00:56:09,980
that that was executed for his resistance to

1547
00:56:10,059 --> 00:56:11,360
The nazi regime

1548
00:56:11,739 --> 00:56:12,860
during that time. I don't know That if

1549
00:56:12,860 --> 00:56:15,420
you've heard about, his story. I don't have

1550
00:56:15,420 --> 00:56:17,590
the specifics about it. It's I 1 there

1551
00:56:17,590 --> 00:56:20,136
too. Yeah. I I don't know all of

1552
00:56:20,136 --> 00:56:21,806
the details either. So

1553
00:56:22,363 --> 00:56:23,954
I I run the risk of making some

1554
00:56:23,954 --> 00:56:25,519
factual mistakes here, but

1555
00:56:26,197 --> 00:56:28,749
there is a lot of, meat to to

1556
00:56:28,749 --> 00:56:31,402
that that story, in a lot of history

1557
00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:31,779
that is,

1558
00:56:32,895 --> 00:56:34,011
I'm uncomfortable to reckon with.

1559
00:56:34,824 --> 00:56:36,505
In the part of the context of his

1560
00:56:36,505 --> 00:56:37,144
execution is that,

1561
00:56:37,864 --> 00:56:39,324
the the historical record

1562
00:56:40,105 --> 00:56:40,824
indicates that

1563
00:56:41,224 --> 00:56:43,793
he was ex communicated. From from the church,

1564
00:56:44,271 --> 00:56:44,668
partly,

1565
00:56:45,146 --> 00:56:48,965
allegedly because of, at that time, much of

1566
00:56:48,965 --> 00:56:51,927
the the church leadership there being very much

1567
00:56:51,927 --> 00:56:54,795
affiliated with or supportive of the the Nazi

1568
00:56:54,795 --> 00:56:57,207
regime. Right? So his opposition

1569
00:56:57,902 --> 00:56:59,789
was kind of coming gold with

1570
00:57:00,227 --> 00:57:00,624
with that,

1571
00:57:01,499 --> 00:57:02,691
and with his church

1572
00:57:03,327 --> 00:57:05,632
standing and he he was not not not

1573
00:57:05,632 --> 00:57:08,256
only executed by the Regime, but also communicated

1574
00:57:08,256 --> 00:57:08,892
and and lost.

1575
00:57:09,703 --> 00:57:12,279
Membership status. My understanding is that retroactively.

1576
00:57:12,897 --> 00:57:17,048
His membership was reinstated later on, decades later

1577
00:57:17,048 --> 00:57:18,086
or something like that, please,

1578
00:57:18,979 --> 00:57:21,286
fact checkers send us emails, but it it's

1579
00:57:21,286 --> 00:57:23,036
a tough story to learn about, And I

1580
00:57:23,036 --> 00:57:25,502
think that but it's a well documented 1

1581
00:57:25,502 --> 00:57:27,501
and and that does make me think as

1582
00:57:27,501 --> 00:57:29,882
well in very real terms, and maybe I'm

1583
00:57:29,882 --> 00:57:30,382
uncomfortable

1584
00:57:30,755 --> 00:57:32,104
uncomfortable terms for some,

1585
00:57:33,136 --> 00:57:35,533
to to reflect on on our church today.

1586
00:57:35,692 --> 00:57:38,472
Right? If if at the local level like

1587
00:57:38,472 --> 00:57:40,856
that happen. And if we believe in a

1588
00:57:40,856 --> 00:57:42,942
god that let's things like that happened, well,

1589
00:57:43,101 --> 00:57:44,458
at the same time, to assist with,

1590
00:57:45,336 --> 00:57:45,836
or

1591
00:57:46,454 --> 00:57:47,810
or claim of being the the church of

1592
00:57:47,890 --> 00:57:49,806
God. Right? The kingdom, the kingdom of God

1593
00:57:49,806 --> 00:57:51,739
on Earth. How how do we reconcile both.

1594
00:57:52,219 --> 00:57:54,059
Not not any easy conversation, but I do

1595
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take the the challenge of by knowing that

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things like that did occur. Things that sometimes

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read might brush up and might not be

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part of our kind of our or or

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some school manuals.

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It does made me thing. What things could

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happen today that might go over our heads

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thinking that we're doing it just right

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where we're when actually, we're acting based on

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on

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and racism or Yeah. Or or things like

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that. So I take it as a call

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to action to be to be intros prospective

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as a church member as a leader in

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the capacity that I have now that I

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may have in the future. And I hope

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will take it that way as well. For

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us. I wanna learn more about Helm Hub.

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I know there there there there are some

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some good resources that I cannot mention now

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because I don't have them top of mind.

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But we'll look to put some of those

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in the in the in the show notes

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for for those that would be interested in

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that.

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Danny we're reaching the our mark. So I

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think it's time for us to kind of

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wrap it up to to conclude our

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session today. However,

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we've got a couple of news that should

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be in the patron take. So any of

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00:59:02,245 --> 00:59:04,562
you that would love to take... Would love

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to have they were return to hear about

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them.

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We invite you to participate and to, you

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00:59:09,135 --> 00:59:10,894
know, be part of the patreon take. It's

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00:59:10,894 --> 00:59:12,414
only a few box a month, and then

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it's just, you know, helping

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00:59:14,189 --> 00:59:16,422
the mission of of sharing this these news

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articles and having this opportunity to share with

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00:59:18,974 --> 00:59:21,685
you our thoughts and ideas about them. We're

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00:59:21,685 --> 00:59:22,483
going to talk about,

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00:59:24,012 --> 00:59:27,216
something related to another class action

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00:59:29,818 --> 00:59:30,318
case

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over the tidying in the church. So we

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00:59:32,854 --> 00:59:34,466
think it's it's a very interesting

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00:59:35,238 --> 00:59:37,407
piece of news that we're going to discuss

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00:59:37,463 --> 00:59:38,973
further on in detail.

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Another very happy topic.

1644
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Yeah. But yes. But meaty 1. Yeah.

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Yes. And and, definitely, with with with, you

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know,

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with this

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00:59:48,594 --> 00:59:51,693
faith promoting position, and we we we're both,

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00:59:51,853 --> 00:59:53,862
you know, active members of the church and

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00:59:54,077 --> 00:59:55,054
we'll all want

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00:59:55,364 --> 00:59:57,275
you know, that these kinds of things get

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resolved and and

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00:59:59,105 --> 01:00:01,334
go through the right channels and and they

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find their their, you know,

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01:00:03,818 --> 01:00:05,893
solutions for the... Yeah. Where there be about

1656
01:00:05,893 --> 01:00:09,483
everything. So join us in patreon then, the

1657
01:00:09,483 --> 01:00:10,781
conversation will be fun, and

1658
01:00:11,172 --> 01:00:13,789
we loved having you with us today. Danny

1659
01:00:13,789 --> 01:00:14,503
it's been a pleasure.

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01:00:15,534 --> 01:00:16,961
It's been a pleasure too. It's always fun

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01:00:16,961 --> 01:00:18,309
too to have this this stocks.

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Georgia, we missed you, we hope to to

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have you next

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international edition with us and all the best

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01:00:24,631 --> 01:00:25,670
in your recovery.

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01:00:26,563 --> 01:00:28,158
All the best, and I shout out to

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01:00:28,158 --> 01:00:30,072
all the other hosts of T. We invite

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01:00:30,072 --> 01:00:30,731
you to

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subscribe to our social media channels to contact

1670
01:00:33,502 --> 01:00:35,336
us at contact at this wiki moments.

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01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:38,958
Dot com and join us in patreon. The

1672
01:00:39,016 --> 01:00:41,007
conversation, I will keep going there. Alright, Danny.

1673
01:00:41,246 --> 01:00:44,192
Let's jump into there, and goodbye everybody. Take

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01:00:44,192 --> 01:00:46,678
care Thank you for joining us today. Bye

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01:00:46,678 --> 01:00:47,156
bye. Bye.