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Good morning. Good afternoon and good evening, Wherever
you are in the world. This is another
episode of this weekend mormons
international edition. I'm Daniel Fa, and I'm very
happy to be with you today. And I
am Daniel Daniels. Happy to join, Danny,
Gonna be 1 of those confusing episodes
name?
Yes. That... Yes. Yes. Both from Chile alto.
So that's... It's even more confusing. So it's
fine. It's fair. So,
done, what about your summer in the Uk?
Is it going
I think it would be an exaggeration.
An overly generous
exaggeration to call it summer. It's been super
super minor really.
We only help. 1 day that I remember
that we have crossed the 30 degree celsius
barrier, which would be, like, 85.
Fahrenheit for American listeners.
So, yeah, Not super exciting, but,
and lots of rain and, like, all of
this stereotypical
kind of bad weather in the Uk. There
all of that, that... That's been my summer.
But out of the few nice days, we've
managed to do some fun things. I went
to,
coastal city in the English channel call called
Bourne
a few weeks ago, and that was quite
nice.
So have you ever been there before? More
that's your first time. Okay? 3 off the
first time that I was there, and it
was actually a pretty nice beach, like, when
you go south, I remember the first time
I went to the English channel here.
My first year. We were like, okay, Let's
take the train from London to Brighton. Brighton
is quite quite well known,
but not as well known to me.
To know that the the this... There's no
sand. It's like a pebble.
That's sucks. Yes. I it's it's not kind
of feature you're expecting used to. Yes. If
if you if you know what you're getting
into it, yeah. At least you go with
that frame of mine, but we just took
the train showed up ready to go to,
like, a normal.
Experience and we thought that I were, like,
this is not not what I expected. But
in Board was quite nice, very, like, fine
sands,
really kind of clear sand. Of course, it
it was a big cold, like, 21, 22
degrees and the water was maybe, like,
not mediterranean and temperatures by any mean, but
not pacific ocean either, the southwest it was.
It was the middle round there.
Yeah. Middle ground.
So you could get in. He was good
for my thermostat, not for my wife. She
she's
not from from Chile. Because in Chile, the
coast so cold. Like... Yeah. It's it's awful.
I mean, I think of myself, like,
swimming in this horrible, you know,
temperature, and I really enjoyed it. It was
a whole day
in the water in in the ocean. I
I really liked it. But now that I'm
older. I mean, I'm just thinking even touching
it with my feet is just... It it
gets me the the chills. I mean, it
gets me cold immediately. So, yeah. You know
what the enthusiasm I would say. Yes. Yeah.
1 of my memories is
going to this... When I was a brand
new Ys,
which we will be talking about in a
second, by the way.
I was 18, and we went to this
kind of
trip, you know, with with my word, why
I say group
and to the El.
This
Okay. Yes. This is this is central. This
is central
the central Chile This is in the middle
of of the country. It's it's closed by
Santiago. It's an hour we're and a half
driving maybe an hour. So... Yeah. It's very
very typical. Yeah. It's like a it's like
a chain of very small coastal towns and
and and and and beaches and
some are quite nice, You know, because there's,
like a blend of forest and kind of,
not mountains, but you know, it's the there...
It's not flat,
and
it... The waves are really nice,
but the water is so cold, and I
have this memory during that activity of getting
into the water, spending, like, 3 to 5
minutes in the water and feeling my bones
like, hurting.
But, I was happy.
Oh. Yes. I wasn't.
You can do what. The energy of the
youth. I I would think of it. Yeah.
I wouldn't do that again. Yeah.
Never again. We're sad to tell you that,
Georgia is not with us today because she's
under the weather she she got Covid, and
and we expect a speedy recovery for her
and all the best
wishes and energy for her to to get
well soon.
All the best for you, Georgia. We missed
you today. We we hope to have you
in the future episodes of the
international edition.
Yeah. Okay. Well soon. It would have be
nice to have the, like 3 of us
today. But, for our next time.
So, Danny, what what have you done? What's
Your?
Yes. Not much
I'm a Phd student here, so I'm basically
working on research and and stuff. And we've
been fortunate enough to be invited by by
a family member to go to you.
So it's going to be my first time,
41 years old,
old lifelong member of the church. So be
my first time in the makeup. So I
told to be to have I hope to
have AAA wonderful experience there right pilgrimage image.
Yes. Yes. I'm ready for the pilgrimage, and
then, you know, yes. The the
the wall and and cry on the wall
and everything. So, I mean, I'm, I'm I'm
excited. I'm really, really excited. We're
at least we know that as a plan,
we're going to Science park. So I'm going
to get both, you know, the natural
beauty and geography of the utah states. And
also, of course, as a
as a
active member, I would really love to go
to 1 of the temples and go to
some of the historical places.
So I think it's going to be
a wonderful experience and and and I hope
the weather permits all these possible plants. I've
heard that it's been very, very hot there.
And, I mean, I don't think it's going
to be hotter than here.
But because it's dry, probably going to be,
heavier or or or or more challenging to
deal with it. So... But but we're we're
hopeful that it's going to be a good
time for
for the kids as well for the kids
for the family and to get together and
see
friends that we haven't seen
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time.
Podcast broadcast documentary
or module money.
Because... Yeah. I have forgot... Because I know
you've been in the Us for around 2
years. Now. Right? Yes. And I had kind
of assumed that you had gone to To
at least once, But but... Yeah. I have
forgotten that you had him. So kind of
a first time, like,
it will be quite experienced. Like, I'm looking
forward to hearing all about it. Having lived
in You for around 6 years myself.
It'll be good to do, like, a bit
of a ping pong review of our
experiences. I've always thought that you guys have
fantastic place to visit.
Right?
Especially if you're a church member and there
there so much,
to see, you know, so much lower. Right?
And things that you've heard you've grown up
hearing about
annoying people from there. So, yeah, I wanna
hear all about that. You you you have
to go and see how it's like, how
it's really, really like. It's firsthand. Yes. Yeah.
Cool.
Well, that's really nice, Danny. Should we jump
into some,
articles of news for or... Yes. Yes. I
mean, at the time, we've got lots of
articles this week, and we're happy that we
have this opportunity to share some of them
with you. The first 1 we think is
the biggest for this week.
Is related to the change in ages for
the young single adults
and the single all. Right? And that... This
is something.
The,
in know a way, in a way, gets
a little bit closer,
in a, in a, funny way, I would
say. But but at the same time, I
think it's
aligning with the times, you know, where where
people are, you know, dealing with with other
challenges. And more importantly, with other kinds of
decisions. Right? I mean, people decide to study
and then maybe to get a get get
into graduate school later on or maybe work
a little bit, and then they consider marriage
I don't think that
youth today,
don't consider marriage as something important. I think
it the they're just so
concern to to have it right to make
it right that sometimes this, you know,
stress or this pressure
or simply this, you know, nervous about not
making it right, will
take their time for getting married
longer. Right? And and and and my
my personal experience is that although I was
a member of... I've been A member of
the church, my whole life.
I got married quite later in comparison to
my, you know, cohort or my group of
of of friends that are
active members of the church. I mean,
It was 26 27 when It was when
when a got married, and that is
considered almost old. Right? I mean, I I
would go to institute activities or or
or young single adult activities, and it would
be, like, the oldest guy in my institute
class that's probably the last ones as well.
So it is a little bit of it,
weird even a little bit annoying to to
be to feel, you know, because maybe no
1 will tell you that. I mean, but
but you you kind of feel
that the collagen is is is being away
from from your... From the generation that people
will tell you something about that. Yeah. I'm
most proud. They will bring up. They will
bring up the the bring them young quote
of being a amazing society and whatnot.
Yeah right. Yeah.
Yeah. It is it is a different experience
so the 1 I had. Like, I I
I'm a more stereotypical
got married young
type of case.
Right? It's less common outside of the Us
from what I've seen, but it's still kinda
prevalent at church and, yeah, I got married
at
the young age of 21 years old hold
almost 22. So I kind of bypass a
lot of that Ys experience. And if I'm
very, very honest with this particular news. And
this this shows kind of
my
potential lack of understanding of the Ys experience
is that I saw
the title, like the age changed for from
30 to 35.
And I was like, Why is that even
news? Like, like, it took me some time
to think. Okay.
What's the impact of this? Right? And
and I didn't fully
fully realize it. I don't know how was
it for you when you found out about
the the news War... What's the impact Mean...
Let's delve into that. I I mean, I
think First of all, is just... You you
feel you already feel isolated when you're turning
30, and you're not married a church. Right?
And then that also means that you're cut
out of all these programs as well. Like
I mean, you cannot attempt to assist you
anymore, and then any
young single adult activities or things you can't
an institute.
You shouldn't. And people would would tell you.
People would tell you. So I mean, there
would be some institute, you know, coordinators errors
and people that would tell you if you're
married, you can come with your wife, that
kind of thing. Right? But generally, speaking,
by 30 you shouldn't attend because the program
is not kind of for you anymore kind
of Yeah. And I laugh about it because
again, I think it's discretionary at the same
time. I mean, some coordinators some people in
the institute buildings will will, of course, welcome
anyone that comes. And I think that's a
spirit anyways. Right? However, right?
Sometimes, you know, the procedures or the administrative
you know, standards will tell you otherwise, and
then people will do whatever they their they
think is best. Even though it sounds, it
gets... Can sound a little bit like, terrible
I get it. Like, if you're are... I
don't know. Your early twenties and whatnot in
all of a sudden, years surrounded by, like,
late 30
thirties people. Like, like us now or early
forties, you know, I... Imagine we go these
creeps. Right? So... Yes. I I get it.
But I think that leads me to another
question I have for you, which is
the widening of this this 8 age range
from 18 now to 35.
I mean, 18 and 35 is 17 years
apart. And
you know,
I I wonder how that that's gonna be
fair, like, but will this lead to further
kind of kind of sub cohorts within.
And...
It's it's it's obviously that you will have
certain a group. I mean, it's only natural.
Right? I mean, social clicks or groups that
that build up, you know, depending on preferences,
age ranges, you know,
similar words or similar stakes, that's common. Right?
I mean, that there's nothing new there. Right?
What I think is new is just acknowledging
that people are not getting married
and they're are active members of a church
and you want to include them You want
them to be part of the program or
you want them to be
surrounded by like minded, you know, people, and
and that's that's only fair. And I think,
fostering that kind of, you know,
interactions
it it it only makes, you know, well
for for for the for the church youth
or for the church, you know,
young, young single women and men. So
again, because I'm not...
And this is my take. I didn't get
married with any of the people that were
in my young single at all
So that's that's my first statement. Right? I
mean, III didn't find
my my, you know, my my love... 1
my internal companion,
whoever you want to call, you you're you're
your loved 1. Right? You're you're
I didn't find
that person in this activities. However, I built
up very strong relationships
great friendships, and and I'm really happy that
I did. I mean, I'm
yes. I am more than happy, IIIII
feel grateful for for knowing these people and
knowing people with different interest with different preferences
and and sometimes, I I felt like, you
know,
a fish out of the water because, I
mean, they were
way different from me, but that didn't mean
that didn't mean that
we didn't share the same values. And I
think being surrounded with this kind of people
was great for me and taught me very
relevant lessons. And and and it's been very,
very
very significant.
For for for me, particularly.
Now,
that being said,
I'm not looking for a program like this
as an end goal to marry people.
Even though most of people will tell you
well, if if it's not the end goal,
then it shouldn't exist. What I think
is
you cannot push those kinds of things.
What you can elicit what you can, you
know, foster? Is this opportunity for people to
get together in
more,
you know, open environment. Where we're not only
church or a doctrine or or or, you
know, talks.
Are the core reason why you get together.
But for whichever other reason, you get an
opportunity on a weekly basis to see these
people to interact with them, again, to build
friendships to build up, you know,
opportunities to to, you know, maybe to find
a group of people that
have your
interests or maybe they're studying the same as
you're studying or you're interested in studying something.
And by interacting with these people you start
understanding a little bit more, and then
in a way, it's it's kind of a...
I would say,
I don't like the word network for this,
but in in this case, I'm I'm meaning
people from different backgrounds from different, you know,
circumstances
that get together there because they share the
same gospel.
And because of it, you get a chance,
firsthand
to get to under understand a bit more
about
their stance on things,
but also what they do right,
what are what have been their, you know,
spiritual experiences, their life experiences, their, you know,
job experiences or their, you know, university or
college or whatever,
institute, whatever experience they have. And that's great.
Because when you're in a word,
What happens if you're the only single adults
in?
It's probably the reality in most places. Right?
Actually, get the chance.
Yeah. That that makes me interaction. Right?
That makes me think of... Well, this news
to
impacts very differently depending on your geography. Because
in geographies where
single words are prevalent and common.
Of course, this this is potentially a a
big deal and it it... You know, I
I like that it's a recognition of
marriage being something that people are doing and
probably should do in the in in the
current world and then how lives are lived.
Something to be considered to be done not
in a rush. Not there's no rush to
get married super young. Right? So... And the
fact is that people are getting married a
bit older.
Ball both outside and
inside the church. So kind of this
age widening is a it's a good recognition
of that or what really means to be
to be young.
Right? But but but I think Like, on
the practical,
on a practical sense, I think it does
it will impact differently. I'm thinking,
in our home country. You know, you'll be
different, you know, like, I'm thinking of of
the critical mass of members that exist there
compared to Ut utah or compared to now
here in the Uk or other places. Now
very significantly. In some places will be like,
okay, mostly a nominal change. Nothing really impactful
day to day. But in other places, it
is a it is a big change, especially
on those high concentration.
Areas, and
I'll I'll love to hear more about it
once this kind of get gets rolled out
and and we start here in the... We
start seeing the changes. We start seeing, you
know, what what what are the actual effects
on on on on its
after being, you know, applied. Yeah. I Totally
again. And and I got the the letter.
So, yeah, I was reading about and then
I I just
applauded it because I think it's just great.
It it will
it should do great. It could again because
you get this
interaction. Right? And and and and I think
those interactions are are very relevant in the
world we live today where
no 1 is actually interacting as much as
we used to. So I think it's just
If any of your listeners are in in
this group are affected by this policy change,
we would love to hear about your thoughts
we will Danny and I recognize our we're
no longer in that cohort. And therefore, we're
wanna hear from from those that that are.
So
you can contact us at,
you know, social media, platforms, and,
we'll love to hear about those.
And there's
another
related in a similar vein. Right,
related,
news
piece of news article from the church news.
About the convention speakers of the Utah Aria,
Ys conference,
Which I want to confess, I have no
idea that it was happening.
I have no idea what is it about.
I don't understand why that doesn't happen in
South America.
Or why don't they do it in Chile
once a year or Argentina. I haven't heard
of it before.
And the only,
you know, from a very
old story that I remember were the
the
Ys
summer conferences,
which where I think nothing related to this.
So can you eliminate me a little bit
with it, Danny because this is totally
off my
experience my my knowledge. Yeah. I we... I
wish I could. I I do remember from
last year.
I don't remember if you covered it in
1 of the international episodes or or not,
but there was
1 of these for the first time that
included,
you know, kind of speakers and things like
that. And and and even, like, a huge
event where they invited
1 Republic and and some other
being someone being famous or fay fame adjacent,
artists
from,
the church and outside the church. And it
was... The big thing. I remember some some
commentary, some some chatter around how it felt
very different from other
church events that we are accustomed to, how
it felt much much much more like a
mega church type of vibe, which didn't resonate
very well with some. And with others
Great. They were, like, we need more of
this, we need to speak the language that
that younger people are speaking and
kind of evolve in the ways that we
worship shape or engaged socially or or or
or spiritually even or meta spiritually.
So and I think that was the the
main precedent in this year.
They're doing,
I believe a similar event. There's gonna be
involvement from a couple of general thirties,
and and 2 of our general officers, sister
leaders,
with,
Sharon New bank, which currently
leads the the human
humanitarian services for the church and former,
member of society a presidency. Yeah
Was
Emily bell Freeman, Current, young, women's general President
will be there as well. Other pearson who
besides the area
in Utah, can't who else. But...
And on top of that, they're gonna have
a bunch more of other breakout sessions and
and and things like that kind of on
a convention format.
Now I I think your to your point
of why does this happen elsewhere. I I
do know if at least 1 instance where
something very similar is done, and that is
here in Europe,
and it's called something has... Or it has
been called traditionally
North,
I believe. And it it's it happens
can't remember if in Norway or if they
change every country, but
in kind of the Northern Scandinavian countries.
If I recall correctly, this
event is somewhat a pattern after what the
Europe area was doing.
Over the last few years for for a
Ys conference kind of
F s
style, but but more more adult
for the ada adult for the Yam adult
Tokens. Exactly. I know a few people hear
from, the the Yam groups that that have
gone there, and they've loved it and So
it's a thing. It's it's relatively established.
I don't know if there's an equivalent in
other areas that that I know of. I
haven't heard anything of this scale of production
or or level.
And,
I mean, the... I mean the Northeast of
the Us, and I haven't heard a thing,
we're 2 hours and a half from Boston.
So I mean, we're fairly well located. I
mean, we're 3 hours and a half from
Palm.
They they used to have a page a
pageant there.
But but no Ys conference. I mean, FSY
is something that they will do, even they
will do it here in in Albany in
in 1 of the 1 of the venues
that that is just nearby my my my
church building.
And they do it, of course, for the
youth, but nothing for the young single adult.
So Yeah. It's an. If you're doing it
in Utah, and this is, again, my my
personal take. If you're going you're going to
do it in Utah then why don't you
try to...
Have something around the same lines in different,
you know,
areas. Right? I mean, you have it in
the Midwest, You have it... I don't know
in the northeast. Right?
And you you put together a a bunch
of people, a bunch of young single adults.
Right? That have this opportunity, again, to get
to know each other to meet for a
couple of days.
To engage in different activities. And again, meaning
people
allows you to, you know, have this conversation
start to build up
relationships and, you know, you don't know what
happens next. So that's
building
relationships, memories, many many things. I think
I would surprised if it
goes in that direction. And the reason I'm
thinking that is that that is kind of
the journey that
the F conferences
went
originally evolving from the
from the Ef y paradigm, right, especially for
youth conferences
to place in the Us, think it was
a D originally of the the brainchild of
of of of some leaders like Brett Wi
cook,
many love, many don't love as much. As
a as a as a very prominent
voice in, kind of mormon culture and now
a general officer.
But eventually,
it took gear decades. Right? Though those F
wide Yes. Right? Those 3 Yeah That's true.
And were things that we would hear,
Like, this were from the nineties, I would
say. Right. And and and we wanna say,
we Refer, like, Latin America members from the
nineties in 2 thousands like us. We don't
find out about when we went missions and
we run into American missionaries, and they brought
the cities with cities. Yes. Yeah. We're like,
that's really rare. City. That... That's cool. What
is that? And then you you learned that
it was not like an album. It was
actually, like, a conference. It's like, wait, what?
Conference and they with this a mobile every
year, and you go to, like, a university
and what what what is... Yeah Whole new
world
in front of you compared to the, I
don't know, more crappy summer comes that that
we did We young win or yeah We
yeah. Definitely. Yeah. It's were great by the
way. If if if it's there to say
that they were calves. But, yeah. Okay. Yes.
Yes. Here Yes. Yeah. So
but eventually... It took a good couple decades,
sort of 3 decades... For that model to
start to be piloted
more formally outside of of the Us and
then then eventually took over. And and now
it's a it's a formal
part of the well established. Yes. It is
well established. It'll kind of taken enough because
the the transition during Covid,
but but so far,
it seems to be
to be moving the needle. Those are expensive
events though now, we are in a time
of prosperity
at church. So I don't think that will
be a concern necessarily, and if anything,
members would be expecting that, some of those
resources be put to to good use
use yeah. As we may have some... You
know, so we may get to cover later
that are related to the church finals.
But, yeah, I do I do wonder if
it will happen with the Y.
Yeah. And if we get into the the
specifics about the the resources, then, of course,
it's the children and the youth. So, I
mean, it's money will will spend well well
used. So it's it's all for the for
the same of having this
young
men and women to have this experiences again,
getting to know other
kids,
you know, with similar
you know, spiritual experiences with similar, you know,
interests and upbringing and then
allow them to get together and to get
to know each other and then experience themselves,
their own, you know, spiritual journey as well.
So I think that's that's only fair. I
think on on that point, maybe to close
with that,
being a little bit devil's sa.
The
the point you make on on... Its money
was spent. I broadly agree. But with a
caveat, I would say, which is,
I I do wonder...
I mean, I I fear a little bit
that some of this more, like, impactful kind
of large scale
events, the the but we are putting together
for
for the for the youth mainly,
like f s wide, I things like that
that are very, very flashy high budget. The
they they do have
they do produce like, a high that it...
That is
very evident. And very very clear in the
short term, but sustaining the impact of that
remains in my opinion,
a
bigger question to to answer, and that time
would will tell. So whether it's
kind of the best use of resources.
I don't know. Probably it is, but I
think it will turn out not to be.
Unless it's coupled by a
meaningful
continued
experience that
you...
Young people, young single adults or young adults
in general are having when they engage a
church, and that includes our Sunday,
worship programs,
includes, all of the other kind of, peripheral
experience but but it would like to to
interject a bit, and and what we've seen
in the last couple of years is this
very strong transition. To family centered.
Right? And then,
kind of also
having this, you know, of it diver
perspectives that... I mean, you don't want to
rep reproduce something like, F y,
because it's not possible. Right? Why it happens
every 2 years, I think they go over
2 years. They could go every year if
they want. Right? Mh. But what really matters
is that what happens at home. Right? If
they have the opportunity to, know, study scriptures,
you know, pray,
have their own spiritual experiences, you know, fast
with their family or maybe, you know, having
the nourishment.
Because, again, church it's not even 3 hours
anymore. It's 2 hours. Right? I mean, 2
hours.
And
then if nothing happens at home,
then it will be just nonsense to think
that there will be
even a a pinch of an option of
having spiritual experiences. Right? By yourself,
again, because you need, you know, the support
of your family and programs and and, you
know,
leaders that could help. But again, they would
help
as as words net of what happens in
the house. Right? At home. And and for
a for teenagers,
that is not that simple. Right? I mean,
and I yeah it's... My my my oldest
is 10 years old. So I haven't even
reached...
The those perilous years or those, you know,
challenging gears. But what I can tell you
is that is not easy now, and I'm
not expecting it to be easier in the
future through. So
my
my wish thinking is that at least,
I get a chance to, you know, establish
some
simple, but can, you know, traditions at home,
and then kids can have their own
spiritual experiences, and they get they can build
up their own testimonies
So when the time comes. Right? F y
is not the biggest flash in their lives.
It's just, you know,
the recognition of an accumulation of smaller experiences
that they've been living
by their own in the safety of of
their homes and families and, you know, smaller
community kind of thing. Yeah. I I broadly
agree. Again. III think probably the the point
I was making before, hence at the the
the the flip side of of of the
emphasis you were making, like, the family centered
of church. Kind of that people over the
last few years
is super important. Like, for for things to
work out, it has to be there, I
can, unfortunately, that puts some
members out of this advantage because Family exist
in many ways, and some just simply don't
this Yes. So... And that's when the second
part... The the 1 that I was trying
to hint that.
The church supported part of that quote comes
in and and do fear. I might have
made this point in previous episodes for long
time listeners. So sorry for repeating myself. I
do
fear and feel sometimes from my observation that...
And with this emphasis towards family center,
church support, we have focused maybe too much
on the family center part and forgetting that
there is a support that church needs to
provide, it's right in the quote.
And
and and because most of the changes have
been around kind of simplifying church and reducing
that, you know, sometimes we may on on
too much on the side of... Yeah. But
families, she should should be doing this That
that's that's just my personal of view. Ultimately,
it's a combination of all those things that
will make things work. Right? And and and
I think that F y or these big
conferences.
Are part of that broader equation and set
of
opportunities and tools that the church. And ultimately,
we help God is trying to provide
his children with, but
great discussion. I never thought we could talk
about,
young adults so much especially as safe. I'm
gradually leaving that status of young I'm behind.
I lifted behind already. So I'm I'm I'm
I'm at peace with it. I I know
I'm with it anymore. I'm pretending I haven't,
But, yeah, again, We are no longer super
young, just spread it that way. So listeners,
if we messed up with anything that we
said, we wanna hear your comments. So contact
at this dot com.
Please let us connect. Yeah. Cool. Next 1,
Shall we move on to This 1?
I love this 1 because
again, I'm not a super fan, but at
the same time, I've been
growing into this sports events and things that
that get people together. And as you may
know, the Olympics are about to begin. Right?
I mean, they begin this weekend.
And, of course, all the previous activities and,
you know,
Olympia getting into Paris and getting into France
and, you know, getting ready for their competitions
and everything
has been happening for the last couple of
weeks, and if you're checking the news. Of
course, you know, Simon B and all this
wonderful
sports people are are are coming together for
this huge event that as
humanity, I would say, we'll decided to to
have at peace. Right? And and to to
and stop war
by the time this happens. So I think
it's it's a wonderful
opportunity. I always think of this thing as
when I watch the the Friday night movie
with my kids. It's a good opportunity to
to spend some time with the kids and
try to, you know, show them, I don't
know, different sports. I'm not a very sporty
p person, So I think it's... I... Again,
I good opportunity, You know, to show their,
some other ways in life, people engage in
these activities
and see them, I don't know, perform wonderful
wonders. Right?
And
understanding that it's very difficult, but when you
see them, it seems so easy and so
natural. And when you try to do... I
don't know a flip or whatever they do.
Right? It's just
incredibly difficult. And and and and I applaud
their their
commitment and their efforts and you know, all
these hours of training and preparation and
whatnot. So, I mean, it's just great. Fun.
Ahead of us. Yeah.
Yes. And because there's so many sports that
I think and this is again,
another
personal take.
It allows you to to see whatever you
want. I mean, if you're not fan of
the prevailing port in your country, then you've
got hundreds of other airports you can watch.
So I mean for everyone. Yeah... There's something
for everyone and it that's... I think that's
the other great thing about it. And I
choose your own adventure type of sporting event
or where... Yes. Yeah yes. So if you
don't like 1, then you have multiple happening
at the same time, and then you you
gotta choose wirelessly, you're... I don't know, Cable
Tv or, know... Streaming platform provider, so it
can give you the options you you're interested
in. So that being said, we've got, of
course,
cohorts, a group of Olympia that are also
members of a church, And this is another
great news for for for us as
Know, as as as people as as
a community.
It's a community right? As as those that
are trying to gather israel. Right? And then
What is interesting is that
Bishop Jira Jose,
held,
I would see kind of a spiritual meeting
kind of a, like, a devotion type... Like,
devotion. Yes, Like, a devotion with the
with the Olympia, but also with the youth
in France, I would assume in Paris. Mh.
Where where Bishop Jose, I think is is
originally from.
So
there were 2 guests for this
devotion.
1 is
brother
Peter Bit,
who was an Olympia pin in 19
84,
he won a couple of gold medals and
then maybe some silver or or bronze. Sorry
if I if I'm if I'm making a
mistake, but I'm sure that he got a
couple of gold medals.
And
an active church member, he's been
serving in different colleagues,
according to the article from Church News.
He attended to all
the Olympic games since 19 84.
And then on every 4 years, he attended
all of them, except for the 20 16
because he was serving as a mission present
in Australia.
So he missed that because he was in
in in a in a more important role
as a mission present. So so he had
just keep that. But he attended
First, as a for Olympia, but also us
the 1 of the members of the Young
men general advisory,
Castle.
So there is another interesting thing. Right? I
mean, we're gonna Olympia that is an active
church member that has been serving in the
church and it's been an active member of
the church
who also is are actually currently
member of the advisory council in the young
men. So that is great. Right? I mean,
that that's always
good to hear. And I think those are
this kind of
uplifting experiences and stories to to to be
told.
Where are your takes on the Olympic olympics
study?
Well, IIII
really enjoyed the Olympics? I don't have as
much of a tradition of watching it. Like,
I do have a tradition of following,
football tournament well, soccer tournaments
for American listeners. So It's football. It's football.
Yeah. Yeah soccer. Associate association football for the
p. Yes.
And and I do come from
month long kind of in in super kind
of intense period of watching 2 of these
tournaments, the euros in in Europe, and and
the Cop America and with explained in the
Us.
And the Cop America are really terrible times
here in the Uk, you know, in the
kind of early morning hours or in just
right after midnight.
We did really poorly with Chile, but it
was AAAA
fun tournament to early to watch. Well, actually,
it wasn't that fun this year. But... No.
It was weird. It was weird. The euros
were better. So I I do have that
tradition, and I think the Olympics in my
life have been kind of
kind of an add on,
but I do remember a few that were
very significant for for us as a country
because
we rarely do well, You know, we don't
have a super Olympia indian tradition, but during
my youth fears of, in Sydney 2000, the
Chilean football team went Soccer team,
association football team went and played and got
Bronze medal and it was the first
olympic metal that I ever saw my country
getting. And on a sport that I actually
follow,
it was super... Super super fun. And then
the the in the next ones in Athens
2004,
till it got a few, tennis metals,
the gold medal for bent singles and
also the doubles.
Yeah. 2 medals. Yeah. The... And then the
next 1 we got silver. So there was
a good generation there in the 2 thousands
that represented you quite well in the Olympics
and I think that that brought me closer.
So it
but but, yeah I think it's... I think
sports
are kind of a, a reduction has simplification,
but a really fair
representation as well of life in general. 1
of the reasons why, like,
football slash soak so much is because of
all the metaphors, all of the kind of
perilous that you can draw from football stories
or from from all of that into real
life, and III truly truly enjoy that, and
I think that's true of most if not
all sports. So
it will be a few few months. And
and I do wonder who this of these
other All implants are. That there's a nice
list there in the church news for all
of you to check
that that are on on multiple disciplines. We
have a lot of people you kind of
track and and kind of running
and things like that. And it it makes
me think, like,
maybe there are some missing there because I
I saw mainly people from the Us. I
think there was 1 from Australia
called out. I was actually just googling now.
To see if someone that I know
is going to be there. That there was
a this is public information. He's a public
figure. So that's why I shared it. It
it's
he was a member of of my old
ward
from Sam that moved to the Uk because
he's playing for the Sara. A a big
rugby team in the the Rugby league here.
And he's been playing professionally there the last
couple of years.
His name is Theo Mc. You can rule
him, he's been playing for the Sam national
team, Rugby team. He was in the rugby
world cup in France last year. And he...
Like Sam, but him as well. He was
in the starting lineup up to play against
Chile in the Robbie World cup. So I
I saw the. So he was, like, the
the this guy from my war. That's how
he first met him. Him is playing the
Rugby world cup against my country. It was,
like, that the intersection was really really odd.
So and somehow will be playing Rugby in
in in Building olympics. So I was checking
easy there. And I found some news that
he was made kind of, national team captain,
but I cannot confirm if it's for for
the Olympics, but church news, maybe maybe you
do your research, check there. There might be
an extra 1 to add if
if theo You have any included. Yes. Yeah.
He invited us a couple years ago,
he invited us in the Bishop brick to
go to the semi finals that they played,
they they made it to the to the
finals last year. We we saw the the
first semi my final.
And it was quite fun to. It was
my first rugby game. I ever watched,
they're in the stadium and everything, then he
took us to the, kind of Vip lounge.
Super strong guys. Super nice. Yeah. Yeah. Incredible
and incredible. So best of luck to him,
regardless of whether he's on the Olympics, or
not. And like that, I wonder how many
others
might might be there. I'm pretty sure from
Latin America, there might be a few, maybe
in the local pages for the Lia 1
could be. Yes. It could be. Yeah. But
I'm not... I'm not aware. And again, it's
just, you know, how you you translate this
information, to how you, you know, send this
information. Yeah. You make sure that it's accurate
and and clear on everything. Did you ever
get any any rumors or here any rumors
of
and famous sports people that would have been
members of the church growing up or things
like? Yeah. I mean, definitely. There there were
some
Yes. But but... It happens with musicians more.
I... At least Won't mind, you know, I
can think of yes. Of a few, but
but sports people, not...
I mean, sports people is kind of tricky
because if you haven't seen them at church
or, you know, someone that haven't seen them
at church, then it's just, you know, just
urban
legends. Right? Yeah. It's not really there. Right?
So well, I do know a couple that
come to mind.
1 is completely fake. I'm pretty sure, but
there was a rumor that I heard growing
up that Michael Owen. He was a forward
for the for the for England. He he's
english. Okay. He he played
some of the top teams here. He played
in Re madrid in the 2 thousands.
And there was a rumor that he was
a member, like, but that's completely fake. I'm
pretty sure.
There there was a,
a brother in Chile.
That both of us know. That in the
eighties used to play for the
for the
Chile team. The the the second biggest team
in Chile,
And yeah. I think he was a gold
there during during... But it's not rumor. That's
true. Yes. That's absolutely true. Yeah. That's factual.
And he like added into the Olympics anyways.
I know just a professional soccer player, but
that's it. Right Yeah. And and eventually, think
he retired and you met a career in
Cs. So that's a Nothing turn up. But,
yeah. I can't think of that that anymore.
So best of it you were all in
keyboard? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah Right.
As well. Yes. Yes. Yeah.
He was a very popular soccer player in
his time, and then he became
whatever trade. Yeah. A coach football coach. He
actually a world champion in in 19 86
with Mara. He was the substitute for the
diego,
whom listeners might know if you know, a
tiny bit above football.
Allegedly, the greatest prayer of all time for
some. There's always is gonna be a debate
between him,
messi now and others.
But
yeah,
tell you about this his name. He... He...
He was running raised. Yeah. Yeah. In Argentina.
Yeah. And I remember an interview that they
made to him in the mid or late
2 thousands when he was coaching Cola cola,
the the team that I like in Chile,
you know, the the biggest team.
And
he was interviewed. He was asked questions about
the church, and he was like, yeah. It
was a really nice childhood, like, got going
to church and went But eventually, it was
not, like my lifestyle, You know, I had
some other interest and passions people that that
way. He's said he's such a Argentinian and
very Argentinian answer for? Yeah. Question like that
Yet. Like, he like light barbecue and a
salvador and all that. And and probably some
other things as well,
alcohol. Right and and and whatnot, but, Great
guy, he's a Tv pun now, and I
regularly listen to him in his his program.
So,
for Argentinian listeners, you will know who that
is and Chilean for sure and many others
from Latin America who... Because he... He coached
some of the biggest teams there. He coached
Boca Junior, allegedly 1 of the biggest if
not, the biggest the. Yeah. The same with
Coca color radius Yes. Exactly. And he coached
the Chilean national Football team. So great guy.
I don't know if if he'll ever hear
this. I do remember some pictures of him
wearing the By
kit because b the By football team went
to Chile ones
around that same time. It was 20 20
10 or or 20007
2008 that you reckon.
And they played a friendly game against Coca
cola, the the biggest team. So, there's are
some,
there were there was a photo up and
we see Bt where you wearing in the
By t shirts. So that's really cool. The
why... That's really cool. Yeah.
Super.
Next
so thinking about this
same, you know, famous
ish kind of,
news
rule, like just to mention this
viral video that's been
around for some couple of days now of
a missionary that is coming home, I think.
He's in the airport because he's finally kind
of peeking him up after his mission,
and he's delivering a book of mormon to
post my loan. The owner I think of
a fast food restaurant in Utah, I I
would... It's it's Alright. In my understanding. Yes.
Yes. So Post malone is this
musician that is very, very popular. I mean,
I I would dare to say that it's
really, really popular. Yeah. So this missionary this
returning,
and I like to use this returning, missionary,
invites him to read the book of mormon
to accept you know, a copy of it.
And then post malone accepted it. So that
was great. And you... I mean, if you've
seen the video or you haven't, then if
you find it, then you will notice is
his
face of happiness and joy about having the
opportunity to, you know, to to share the
book mormon with post malone.
I mean, it's not my type of artist
anymore, again, we're I'm too old for for
for Post malone malone, probably, I... If I
hear a song, I might not recognize him.
However, I think it's just significant
that a a young returning machinery
is still kind of motivated and willing to
to share the compartment and the gospel with
with anyone. Right? Being famous or not. Right?
So I think it's just a meme, but
at the same time, I think it's just
good to to see this
as as
don't be shy. Don't shy away your light
and then don't
don't leave opportunities that are presented.
In front of you. To share the gospel.
So that's...
Yeah. All all credit to post malone for
being super nice on that video. If you
haven't seen it, just look it up, like,
post my malone,
more of a missionary or something like that,
and
and you you'll find it on Tiktok or
Instagram or or whatever, or many new articles
I have featured it. And, yeah. He... The
way he responds is super chill. He's, like,
wearing his Pajamas,
kind of going through security here. Everyone works
his Bms on a daily basis. That's. So.
I mean I don't know. Yes. Yeah. It's
a thing III believe but But, yeah, He's
super gracious and, you know, I I doubt
Lead to anything but I'm pretty sure that
will have that story to tell forever. And
and, you know, in in order kind of
church lore in our church culture. You know,
these things really realistic. We we'd love to
see that type of stuff and make those
connections. I remember that,
I think
photoshop picture of years ago, kind of pre
Ai era of Snoop dogg with with double
form. Do you remember that 1 from within
the shops Yes.
And and and
it was usually on April April fools, day
will come up and and things like that.
But what... Yeah. We
we'd love the type that. Yeah. Yeah. And
and and it's cool, like, III get it.
And it it's also good to see kind
of musicians that may have a stereotype for
for being rude or kind of Rockstar
or type of devil attitude to just be
nice,
nice people. So again, The only thing I
do know about Boss malone other than,
I'm not a fan of kind of his
official music is that he has made some
pretty good covers of kind of nineties rock.
Yes. And from chains. Yeah. I was changed,
Nirvana, and and, that's more of my type
of music in yours danny, yeah, for listeners.
Yes. Absolutely.
Actually, for those Missed some of our previous
episodes with Danny,
both of us have a rock band, and,
both had it for over 10 years. Now
we released good 3, 4 albums and all
spotify it's called Grand Capitals.
And,
a lot of inspiration for music comes from
that era. From that alternative rock and all
of that. And I have this this image
of Pos being this kind of trap urban,
auto altitude, type of music.
The, you know, I I didn't even bother
listening to. But then once he came out
with this covers and him actually singing with
a pretty pretty nice voice, I was quite
impressed. I was like, it's great to see
that there's is musicians musicians shit there, and
I was glad that my prejudice was
kind of broke.
Yes. And Was like that. Okay. I'm not
gonna listen to his stuff, but, you know,
respect and I should probably be a bit
more open minded and respectful. A bit more
respectful. I think
about the artist not current artist, even though
they're not your
favorite flavor at least you get, you know,
they expect for what they're doing. It's like
that Possible Paul said, approval things, hold fast
to that, which is good. If I'm para,
the King version correct. I know that I
will be better in Spanish.
Well, thank you post my loan then for
popping up in our 3 episode.
So we've got another very interesting
piece of news article there ready to
Elder, a sister O that we're
doing
a visit to Central Europe,
particularly Germany where they are originally from.
And and I think it's just interesting to
to take some minutes on it because they
visited very
unusual places for for, you know, leaders of
the church. And and I hope you you
you can kinda of follow my my train
of thought here. But, I mean, usually,
Church leaders would go to the first branch
or the first word or the first organized
stake. Right? They would meet with local leaders.
They would meet with probably some,
you know, people from from
social, you know,
organizations. Right?
But the ugg gu du visited some of
their childhood places. Right? So 1 of the
first places that were living,
they paid some some respects and and contributes
to people that died
during the holocaust.
1 of the first missionaries that died in
Germany as well. So I think the visit
was very interesting in that respect. I'm not
saying they didn't get together with the local
leadership or members of the church, but I'm
saying that they also visited places that are
historically significant.
Both for themselves, but also for, you know,
the wider historical audience. Right? Mh. Some of
the places that we've got here in the
piece in the piece
are Germany Frankfurt, Berlin, Hamburg,
Alpine,
the Alpine from the German speaking side, and
then the
such s work missions,
this is at the
They had a conference in Switzerland in Sur
and in Dresden also in Germany.
So
I think that's
fantastic. I mean, it's again showing the importance...
I think for church leaders to acknowledge, you
know, this historical places us.
Also
places that you... We should remember.
And
if if we narrow it down to to
the to the minimum,
these are also
spiritual places to be reminded of. Right? I
mean, play... The first place where you were
living when the missionaries is knock on your
door or your first house or the place
where you started, you know, developing your testimony,
particularly, for a member of the core member
of the core mutual apostles. It is a
spiritual place as well. Right? It is
I'm not saying a a place to worship,
but at least for them for their own
personal experiences is a significant place to visit
and to be able to share it, and
they've been able to share some of the
picture and some of the visits
through their account in Instagram. So I think
it's just great again. For the members of
the church in church adjacent and people that
that know him,
to get to see these places. Okay? Not
not only from general conference talks, but, you
know, the actual image of the place where
where they use So I don't know what
to think about it, Danny. I... Yeah. Thanks
for bringing this 1 up is it's a
bit different in tone than some of the
previous ones we've covered today.
And even though at face values is like,
oh, I also visited a place. Right? It
might not seem significant.
I I think the places he does visit.
If we take up a minute maybe to
think
about why he visited it and why he
is deciding to kind of
shared this as part of kind of a
coherent narrative, and it it becomes a church
article in a in an Instagram and Facebook
post, and and all of that, I think
there there is a purpose that is not
maybe super expressly stated there,
in some cases, yes. So, like, he's visiting
huge childhood home for some things. But some
other things that I do take us, you
know, there are so many
parallels
that tend to be drawn with that error.
That sometimes are uncomfortable. Sometimes our grad
or or and, kind of,
extreme, but but
more often than not these days
do resonate with a lot of the the
the social,
political
even economic trends that we we see around
the world that I think there's significance on
revisiting that time
and to understand the the the impact that
social prejudice
and and so many other things have cost.
I wanna...
I I believe this is just my personal
interpretation of it. I wanna believe that part
of the reason for that visit on on
on his side is to to kind of
showcase that a little bit. There's 1 specific
visit that he made that that is featuring
the article that for those that are probably
a bit more, like, church history
savvy. I don't wanna use our, but, you
know, more more acquainted with with with history
beyond what's commonly
kind of heard, within the walls of our
classrooms.
My might know about, for others might be
new, which is the
the the story of
Help on pronouncing this right, Helm Hub.
A 17 year old,
that was executed, a church member,
that that was executed for his resistance to
The nazi regime
during that time. I don't know That if
you've heard about, his story. I don't have
the specifics about it. It's I 1 there
too. Yeah. I I don't know all of
the details either. So
I I run the risk of making some
factual mistakes here, but
there is a lot of, meat to to
that that story, in a lot of history
that is,
I'm uncomfortable to reckon with.
In the part of the context of his
execution is that,
the the historical record
indicates that
he was ex communicated. From from the church,
partly,
allegedly because of, at that time, much of
the the church leadership there being very much
affiliated with or supportive of the the Nazi
regime. Right? So his opposition
was kind of coming gold with
with that,
and with his church
standing and he he was not not not
only executed by the Regime, but also communicated
and and lost.
Membership status. My understanding is that retroactively.
His membership was reinstated later on, decades later
or something like that, please,
fact checkers send us emails, but it it's
a tough story to learn about, And I
think that but it's a well documented 1
and and that does make me think as
well in very real terms, and maybe I'm
uncomfortable
uncomfortable terms for some,
to to reflect on on our church today.
Right? If if at the local level like
that happen. And if we believe in a
god that let's things like that happened, well,
at the same time, to assist with,
or
or claim of being the the church of
God. Right? The kingdom, the kingdom of God
on Earth. How how do we reconcile both.
Not not any easy conversation, but I do
take the the challenge of by knowing that
things like that did occur. Things that sometimes
read might brush up and might not be
part of our kind of our or or
some school manuals.
It does made me thing. What things could
happen today that might go over our heads
thinking that we're doing it just right
where we're when actually, we're acting based on
on
and racism or Yeah. Or or things like
that. So I take it as a call
to action to be to be intros prospective
as a church member as a leader in
the capacity that I have now that I
may have in the future. And I hope
will take it that way as well. For
us. I wanna learn more about Helm Hub.
I know there there there there are some
some good resources that I cannot mention now
because I don't have them top of mind.
But we'll look to put some of those
in the in the in the show notes
for for those that would be interested in
that.
Danny we're reaching the our mark. So I
think it's time for us to kind of
wrap it up to to conclude our
session today. However,
we've got a couple of news that should
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Another very happy topic.
Yeah. But yes. But meaty 1. Yeah.
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It's been a pleasure too. It's always fun
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