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we begin,
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subject in this episode, you may want to
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Welcome to the well. I am Bright Agents,
and I am Manson Mount.
And where are you right, now ma'am?
I'm in Germany.
This is a very busy month for me.
We're not only shooting the last episode of,
season 3 to our drive, but
I am
I've been called to Germany for
a convention,
and I am extremely tired.
I'm extremely jet lagged,
and I've had a couple of drinks, so
this is gonna be fun. It is gonna
be fun. Look... I'm joining you all the
way from me here.
6 hours. Right. So 6 hours behind you,
ma'am, and I'm trying to catch. Yep.
So, and you'll notice that I have chosen
to where
a tie for the first time.
And that is because 1,
I feel pretty.
Number 2,
I am
dressing to impress
because I want to impress
the coming robot overlords. Which will eventually be
watching this episode and digesting it on the
Internet.
And,
this is a job interview. So, hey, guys.
I'm on your... I'm on your team, man.
I'm on your team.
No. To today, we... We're we're gonna wait
into a slightly controversial... Subject. I didn't think
it was that controversial, but it turns out
it is.
We are taking on Ai
not all Ai ai is such a big
word. I think people are...
You kinda have to break it down a
little bit, you know, by sector to discuss
it.
But we will be discussing Ai in the
in creativity, specifically, visual
visual arts. Filmmaking,
picture making
generative
Ai, they say.
And when you touch on this subject, it
brings up a lot of pretty
strong feelings
from a lot of people.
And Does...
Yeah. What how did you feel about it
before, you know, say we talk to Rope.
You know, it's it's it's definitely
the buzz word of year.
Yeah it is...
I feel
a lot of ways about it. I mean,
as an act 1 as a human 1.
We're definitely feeling the potential repercussions of it
in my industry,
obviously because of what it can do in
terms of,
making
imagination come true,
very easily,
but it's it's
it's something that,
I was just how many having a conversation
this evening with an art director from the
world of Star trek
who introduced me to this concept of the
uncanny valley. If you heard about this? Yes.
Yes I have. Yeah. So the uncanny valley
is,
this
phenomenon that happens with us when we... Anything
that p ports to be human.
That when it becomes close to human, we
start to have rev. So for instance, if
you put... If you put on a on
a charge, on the x axis, our empathy
towards the thing that looks human.
And on the
y axis
on
excuse me. So so sorry. The thing that
how does it go? The
the x, the y axis
is
our empathy towards something and the x axis
is the closest it looks towards it being
actually photographic.
K? As you get
as you get... As you go towards human,
it gets, it goes up and up and
up and up and up and up and
up and up. The more it looks like
human. But when you get close to it
being
exactly human, but not quite human.
It plummet.
We have an immediate rev. Look like, what
is that? It is not human.
And the most... And there are a lot
of lot of
theories as to why we have this response
as human beings and the most interesting 1
that I've come across,
is that it's a hold over
from when
there were multiple species of h.
When...
There were not homo sapiens, but there were
homo,
Homo,
there was
pom.
There were multiple species of people.
That were not our species
that we were constantly
in conflict with.
But they look kind of, I guess,
and that that
something in that
feels true to me. I'm not sure if
it is
the explanation, but it feels right.
I disagree.
Okay. What's your theory degree?
Oh, I have to replace it with my
own theory. I thought just. Yes. I thought
I could just disagree to disagree.
No. This is mine.
I think
we're such...
I mean, I don't think people understand how
what expert face readers we are. As a
Yeah. A species
so much comes to our face. We are
so weird. This is why you stare at
anything long enough
wood grain, clouds,
a bag of trash, you start seeing faces
in it because we are... Yeah. Face
recognition machines. We're so good at it. Sure
there's so much animals. Right? Totally. The most
social what even more than ants,
because they don't have faces.
So,
oh, just stop myself from going up an
attention,
Okay. I'm back.
Faces is not chemicals. So it's not pheromones
mo. We do it with faces We're visual.
Because you can do that at a distance,
and that's important.
But if anything is wrong,
and I'm thinking it's not...
A hold over from way back when with
multiple species. I think it's disease.
I think it's
the sign
that something is wrong with somebody.
The first thing we think of is
disease.
This person
is injured in some way. They're sick in
some way.
And that lisa fact
spray he. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And that
leads all kinds of other fear legends and
myths, you know, like vampires and were and
or where disease calls is weird behavior.
We're just simply...
I I think maybe we're overthinking it,
as simple as
those moments before death,
you know, when
the animation in life has gone out of
someone's face, and we'd know what that means.
That's,
you know, we recognize death when it's coming,
and it's that close. And I think that
when we look at these sort of not
perfectly rendered
Cg faces
show up or robots or something,
we go,
M.
That that's a... That's that's a talking corpse.
Right. Alright right. Yeah. No. No. Thank you.
No. Thank you.
And we're so good at it because they're
very best. I mean, for example,
you go to like Star Wars and they've
been recreating,
you, like, Peter Cushing character,
grandma talking. Right? Yeah.
That was very good.
I think... I mean, the think but the
take methodology that went into that. It's it's
impressive,
but something's wrong.
And
yeah. It's it's it's hard to even say
what it is, but pathology that's the uncanny
valley you're talking about. You know? Everybody just
listening to right now knows the feeling that
we're talking about. Right? Oh, hundred percent, which
is what I I think that this is
a very helpful
conversation to have it at the top of
this particular
so... Yes. So that you're keyed into...
What's gonna happen to you as you're listening
to what we're about to to show you.
Like you said, it's the is the
word of the year Everyone's was curious about
this.
And,
you know, I played with Ai generative visual
tools a little bit, but they were just
kinda like toys, you know, you just wanna
experiment a little and see what happens.
But I found on Youtube, but I don't
remember what called my attention to this,
but
the work
of a
finish
filmmaker,
and an all Ai filmmaker,
named Europa.
And
I really like what I was seeing, because
I think he embraces the uncanny Valley party.
He's not trying to fool you.
Yeah. He's treating it as
an expressive medium as an art, and he's
embracing all of the weird quirks and all
the weirdness that comes with not really fully
being able to control this technology right now.
And
he was very kind
to join us from Helsinki and talk with
us for a few hours.
I wanna make a note here before we
jump into
the interview proper.
Which is,
Ro is finished,
and,
you know, he has,
you know, he's not as fluent and fluid
with English
as I am with Finnish, I don't know
a single word. So he was the 1.
I want people to be
sensitive to the fact that In this interview,
Europa is doing all the heavy lifting.
He is trying to explain incredibly difficult
ideas and concepts,
And, and not his first language.
And...
But he's very articulate. He knows... He he
really made me think differently
oh, about the subject of Ai generative art,
give me a lot to think about. I'm
still thinking about it. We recorded this
6 months ago, and I'm still chewing on
this.
And 1 last thing, again, on the language
front,
this is my way of saying that some
people like to listen to this podcast
while, like, knowing the lawn or doing the
dishes, you're gonna need to listen
list
at this 1 And And and also, we're
gonna have a Youtube version. You might wanna
really consider watch the youtube version
to see what we're talking about. A hundred
percent because there's gonna be passages where you're,
you gonna... If you'd list just listed to
this thing you're just gonna hear weird noises
for a while, and then a bunch of
people talking about what something looks like. And
that's not gonna be very helpful. So we
should suggest that you watch it.
Yeah.
And with no further ado.
Rope N everyone.
2 years ago 2 half a years ago,
I had my
omni life crisis so to speak. So I
turned in 41, and I thought, well, So
I've been alright short stories,
writing poems.
I've been taking pictures for... 30 years.
I've played in balance. I've written Songs.
In school, I he made some fields,
If I don't, you know, do it now,
then I will then grow all that I
I will be extremely upset.
So 2 and a half years ago Then
quit my job.
And it just so happens that that's in
20 21.
Well, I thought I was pretty sure as,
you know, there will be huge new potential
in the way people then can create.
I started to learn to use Ai and
I started to learn then screen writing.
So I saw first,
examples in
of, then August 20 21. Yeah. But it's
this kind of
exponential growth so. If there's exponential growth,
it's slight slow in the first years and
then it then starts to explore. So
where do you think
we're going to be in a couple of
years with this technology.
I mean, right now, we're gonna get into
this later. I wanna talk about things like
temporal instability and all these things that make
the Ai generated.
Stuff so freaky.
Like, when do you think it will get
something that looks
real and do we want to? Is that
even the point
Well.
Those are
michelin 2 questions because they are not. They
don't perhaps have the same as or if,
Ai
reaches such a stage that it then star
star stars then to train itself real. Then
the speed can even more than exponential growth.
Then to start to speed it up even
more. We are now in September 20 23.
So in in September 20 24. I'm pretty
sure that, you know, pictures you
you create will look
in a state that most people probably can't
tell.
You know, is this a
Corona.
It has been only 6 months
since Made that prediction, and that moment has
already come to pass.
Corona
Look at these generated pictures,
even I have gotten to the point where
I can't tell.
The difference.
All of these ai tools can be used
for 2 things. You don't either try to
or replicate the existing world in some. Or
you don't use it there to create something
that does not exist today. So it's not
a replica.
You don't probably
create something
that,
we find interesting,
but that nobody has didn't seen before.
I'm personally the quite excited about them this
side. So it's not just a way to
make the same thing or cheaper.
Or, you know, or debate a fate version
of the same thing, But it's actually a
tool which you can use is to create
something
that nobody has to yet seen time to
wake up.
Where am I?
We had a little festival
here.
And
watch everything on your channel,
and the
And the closer it gets to real sort
of that... Which I know is not you
what you're going for, but when you end
up with stuff that's generated that has all,
you know, correct... When it's all... Works out
for correctly for a while. It kind of
is not as as interesting.
Because everything else is like nothing
anyone has ever seen for.
Now the signature of generative video is the
instability, the temporal and instability.
And that right now is the most unique
thing about it. I think I what catches
everyone's
eyeballs eyeballs right now, and it is like
Lsd. It's almost the same
experience.
It's
nothing stands still. I had so many thoughts
thinking about
what this mimics, what this looks like.
I can look into it and I can
see
the
Ai
digesting.
It has a digestive look to it as
it's...
As it's pulling sources from everything from its
library from its learning
and spending something back out. It looks like
digestion. It looks like an Lsd trip,
it's
very hard not to watch and be slightly
horrified.
Because the lack of stability,
is
upsetting,
I think.
And it reminds me
read this article a couple months ago, somebody
did a...
An article on famous winds,
wind to pattern throughout the globe.
And every now and then, sometimes it's a
yearly, sometimes just 7 years or whatever
some part of the world will have these
crazy wins that come through,
and those moments are always associated
with higher incidence
of
homicide.
And there is something ag agitated
about nothing standing still
and it gets to us at a really
really deep level.
I spent
an hour watching,
yeah, your films last night. On a big
screen, big sound system,
and
it did something
to my head. It did something neurological to
my visual processing
sis
system.
And then we said, okay. Well, and that's
starting to get to. Let's watch something else
now.
Now everything else
I was... I... Everything else was suspect after
that all traditionally
produced video. I was like, I don't know.
I don't know. Now. He's gonna do something.
It's gonna do something. Expected. My my brain
didn't trust my eyes anymore.
After after watching it for maybe too long,
those are my feelings, and, now would like
to hear what y'all think about that.
I've been out then staring up these videos
for like, many years. So III
see it all, man. So I I think
It's it's my mind is kind of lighting
in a very...
I didn't appreciate the state of, like, being
able in the questionnaire.
Question it.
Everything nicely see. I put my videos on
the Tiktok, and, the number 1 comment is
kind like. It's slight a fever dream or
it's It's,
dreams.
People may say that Rope films feel or
look like fever dreams.
But that comparison
suggests a stream of consciousness or
automation that it is not
part of his filmmaking process.
It is not automated, the technology
does not exist yet
to think of an idea and have the
computer generated from, say, a brain implant.
So where do Rope ideas come from
this kind of a
boring question to ask any artist who knows.
But this case, what is interesting is how
does he turn those ideas into sight and
sound.
At the end of the day, you know,
you want to tell.
L story. So be it a a cartoon
or a movie or,
photos or a book for with the kind
of the Meta.
So, I mean, I a screen play. But
the interesting thing there is that kind of
like
Stream
a move then traditionally if you would write
it, you were probably write it in a
way that you would consider that how can
it be filled. So I mean, it needs
to be realistic in terms of flying, you
know, the real world, but also the budget,
If I want to pay place a story
into the New Year's subway, I can.
I don't need to get permissions in that
way.
He's coming this way. We'll cut the power
once he gets near. What was he talking
about? Sir? Listen to me carefully. There are
no rats in the subway.
It is a new form. So is it
like
film or the theater or you know, it
is what's the difference between
Tie
play a Tv show or a field version
of same thing? It's the same, but it's
different. I do it in the its own
form.
If we draw 5 years to the future,
it is probably possible then go the persistent
forms. Then also quite well. I was about
to say, I'm getting the sense now that
I've seen your work that at least in
terms of
entertainment,
it's not so much
a new tool as it is a whole
new
instrument,
Yep.
Yeah. And and 1 unlike, we've ever seen,
like, a complete software
instrument.
What... What I'm curious about is,
first of all, I I do wanna I
I do wanna get some sense of your
your process about... Your inputs, your specific inputs.
But,
in watching
your videos,
the difference between, say, the meta morph, which
is highly narrative
story. Right? And the music videos
is so
different. There seems to be something in the
music videos that
I guess, because there's an existing piece of
material it's able to lock onto to that.
And so there's a there's a cohesion in
the flow of the music videos.
That
isn't really there yet in the in the
narratives. Am I am I getting that correct?
Is it... Or
are you... Is that what it is? And
are you
inputting the video
first or you telling it, basically telling this
software go find this video and do something
to it.
So you're gonna either create any videos.
So it then a references
on
existing video. So say you have a video
of something.
You don't then hand that video over to
the Ai. So you have some sense of
control, but you don't still make changes.
Then the other way you gotta create is
that you don't have the Ai a video,
but to hand it different input. So you
don't had a picture then to start with.
You can add some text prompts.
You can add it some kind of,
additional
directions. You can tell.
Here's a picture.
Please move the camera to the right slowly
and then you the right the prompt light,
personal talking. And and then then it then
tries to take the picture
find a person,
then they make them talk, and then they
move the camera to the right. But it
has no additional on their inputs.
So basically, those those those 2 ways are
the main ways you go at this moment
then create videos. Yeah. So the... Because that
I was gonna say that that
If you were to take that
smashing pumpkins video of Share Brock.
And look go back in time and just
sort of plop that down
in the zeitgeist of 19 94. It at
absolutely without a doubt would have won best
video of the year. No question.
And the same for for the,
what was the other 1? The the the
offspring video was
amazing.
Mean there's some sort of anime thing going
on there. What what did you... What did
you... What's the... What were the inputs for
the off offspring video?
So in the case of these music videos
you can configure not only tips browser but
you can actually already train
or then fine to then a term. You
can actually, you know, fine tune the Ai
by enough
to work in a specific and resource or
style.
It's or the flip side of this kind
of,
that the more day I then create than
the artery is than the contra at the
same time. The real kind of skill for
an Ai artist is absolutely
control. This is what I really wanna get
into. This is the part that fa makes
me the most as someone who...
Grew up at wearing the dat and
Max Ernst and
the surreal.
They would frequently intentionally
do things
to
put a little distance
between the art and their level of control,
introduce some accident
Yeah. That was exactly my next question. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. There was there was a, you
know, from Us and collage and all these
different things of Max ernst would, you know,
squeeze. Plates of
glass plates with paint together, un stick them
and then let that dry and look at
it and say, alright. What does that look
like? And kinda sharpen it using the, you
know, the old kind of hardware, the, brain.
It's pattern in recognition to
flesh out the idea and turn it into
something a little more sc. And you're clearly,
I mean, you're you're down in the trenches
with us all the time. And dealing with
a machine that doesn't...
That that does put a bit of distance
between your idea and whatever that final output
is going to be which is why I
think that your,
sub heading on your Youtube channel
is so fitting,
en sla Ai to make some art.
How
cooperative are these Ai slaves
And how do you make and do your
bidding?
Part of this is a temporary problem software
us, You know, the way
we humans now talk with Ai.
Especially with this product
all tools.
It's the worst study will be... So it
will be much better in 3 months and
months at 12 months. So of course, It's
like,
especially when A film
major
is all by themselves, you know, And they
don't have nobody to talk to, They don't
have spontaneous
inputs that are like then highly than something
else that what they're thinking in themselves.
But now,
especially with the Ai tools,
they it it... They quite often comes back
with such suggestions that are completely light and
brain dead. But they're like braid in a
way. So it it it it really started
to push me. So it... So I see
see the potential there. So I mean, always,
if you had a team of, you know,
often the creative people, it made sense to
have people who have completely different ideas. In
the case of, you know, on Ai, then
you don't have to save personal problems.
So you get results that are like, you
know, sometimes they're fantastic.
Thumb down the stair, completely insane, but you
don't start to hate, you know the person,
and vice. And the person don't start to
hate you, So when you see like than
crazy Ideas each day, it probably it might
that help you. Can you kinda take 1
of your videos?
That that we've seen on your channel and
sort of run us through the process,
give us an example of 1 that you
said, okay. Do this. It came back. It
was like,
what the fuck is at.
And then.
And then you... And then you've... And the...
But then you gave you an idea and
you kept running with it. Can I don't
write a script in all cases? So if
it's a short film, it's then in my
head. The best way to make video is
to is to actually then the reference pick
pictures. So you actually then create huge amount
of pictures
off then from the screen play. So you
try to create each shot. So here, I'm
using this
stable diffusion.
I have my own computers at home. So
I then
leave the computer is their on then for
the night, then I come back in the
guide of the and and I have a
thousand feature. My gosh.
90 percent of the pictures are bad.
5 percent are usable.
And then 5 percent or the 1 percent
has something that I didn't didn't expect. Wow,
okay.
I mean, the perfect example here is
is is is the crow.
So then... When I started story, Item I
then didn't know how it would end yet.
So I I knew what that what the
crow will do in in the story.
But I didn't yet
understand that that the crow will actually then
replace the person. But then I saw these
pictures for a while.
I saw the saw the guy nest in
the house,
And then have after I saw it for
a few days, it's then then my then
my brain
which is sound slow. It then started to
realize. Yes. Of course. That's the way I
should then start to end the kind of
the story. So the whole process was like,
You do dupont, you see these pictures,
and then you find the best ones of
the shots, and I go to step 3,
So most people nowadays, at this moment use
this
service called
out.
And they have this,
feature called then Gen 2...
So basically, the way... The gen 2 works
is... You can feed it a pitcher and
a prompt.
So here you can see from the terminals
thumbnails that they they all start from a
pitcher. Then tries then to create a shot
from the picture and the front.
But, you know, this 1 also have... Has
to same issue as with the picture. So
sometimes that is I didn't see the result,
and I didn't start to think about this
story. I have this. I think there's like
1400
of these, you know, that I made
and in Yeah. And then in the final
1, they flight 800 in our shots How
much of the of your time goes into
just writing the prompts
before did you get the to get the
steel images?
I didn't... Oh, Run I'm through the screen
play
I don't pretty much hate lighten in.
I'm every single line, and, you know, that's
a prompt.
In terms of this over process is like
5 percent of time. So my approach is
kind of a kind of them improved for
us approach. So I'm I would called ben
for for for a kind of the lack
of control,
but, you know, I just made a...
8000 pictures. And then then find the ones
that I like.
Well, specifically, do you go in edit individual
images, let's say, in a different program,
photoshop just kinda help steer it? Or do
you pretty much take those images straight out
of stable diffusion and say,
I can make this work. I don't... I
I have no intention to to keep a
Ai art like, pure in a way. I
don't.
I don't think no. That's not meaningful to
me. All the kind of tricks you know,
or did fe key aims amazon.
So then I do it this shots then
I find the best ones. The interesting part
here is offers that now we... When you
go to the video world, it's not just
video, but it.
Voice music. If you do a short feel
naturally, has spend more time on
the rest than the actual picture and they
got a lot the video parts. So picture
and video at a like 1 third of
the time I spent, and and actually, you
know, 2 thirds both to
sound
speech music sound effects. If if I may,
if I may, I just wanna jump in
and interrupt and just before... Because I don't
get a chance to do it later and
compliment you. I'm a as a film editor,
myself,
your sound design is... Beautiful. Yeah. It's so
good. And it's... And it goes... It does
so much work to contextualize and make all
of those wild
images
stick together, talk to each other that makes
it cohesive. I think your sound work is...
Everyone talks about the Ai, but I've I've
noticed your sound work, buddy is brilliant.
Now are you are are you adding? Are
you at or do... Are you doing the
sound work?
Is that completely built by you or any
of that Ai?
Yeah... Yeah. I mean, I, I do spend
a lot of time on the silent parts.
1 of my obvious is that I... I
am a musician in a way. I've played
some bands. I'd played
guitar some, some
best. It's fun and it's important. So I
I didn't know, I've tried to use some
of these Ai tools. So Ai tools tools
for for music are not get there for
me.
I do use sound... I do use a,
I to create large sound effects. So
we just
that has the potential then they to create
something fantastic. So. If the pictures are, you
know, half this certain vibe.
Then of course, if you use Ai tools
them to create sound, then to accent that
same vibe.
Robot made me realize.
How powerful Ai is going to be for
sound editing.
Because an Ai program can just look at
a scene and
computationally fig hear out what kind of sounds
you would expect to hear in that scene
and from what distance and it would figure
out all of the acoustic characteristics
that. This is going to have
a very,
very disruptive effect on the whole sound editing
sound post production process
We're not quite there yet,
but it's coming.
He's not well. He works too hard. I'm
glad you come, sir. Now he will surely
open the door Mister Sam,
you are neglecting your business duties.
I thought you were a dependable man.
I will open the door or
At the time of this recording back in
September of 2023.
The tools to make Ai generated people move
their mouths in sync. With recorded audio dialogue,
making it was brand new. And Rope films,
Were among of the first a boy to
use it about nothing but as well... I'm
hugely excited about these because they have this
potential that that create something that is quite
quite too strange.
Why this.
Think do catch at black. I'm ready to
go.
Here I'm willing to work? Are you going
to the office?
Sir?
He'll need?
I mother,
mother,
a here. So
so it's a kind of mixture of, you
know, use bowl.
Parts. So I didn't find an individual word
or phrase,
but then it has, you know, plenty of
surprises and it has plenty of, you know,
a weird waste than to stay things or
like, you know, it stars then than whisper
or...
Away
boy away, get away from her, get away
from her. Go away,
get away from her. So let's say, at
this moment, this blog. So here it. You
have a
here, I have a bit video, so I
have salad, but but there's no... But there's
no sync And then after the result, you
can feed it a sound file and a
cards video file end result in the best
case.
It then gives you a lip which is
trying to like almost, you know, rice. Animal
don't. Animals eat bug.
Lip of, painful because when people are talking,
they're not just them mood in their, you
know, mouth. It's the whole phase.
There will somebody will soon invent an Ai
that will take that end result or that
the face will be more intent with D
singh? Is the Ai just giving you the
shots or is it also giving you an
initial edit? Were you building the whole edit?
I the kind of did myself. So adi
I at this moment. I haven't found an
that do a meaningful video ad d. But
at at this moment, I think that's the
crossover part that your that you need to
build yourself, and it's the fund builders. So
so so that you have, you know, these
all the guy the building blocks, but then
the actual crafting in, your, like, you know,
they feel it's started
exactly the same layer as, you would do
it,
you know, with then with the material, you
wouldn't then shoot it yourself, in a traditional
film,
most people, you know, if you don't have
infant budgets, you do do right screen play,
you apply the shirt, you do the shoes,
you get the results. And then and, you
know, then, you know, basically, then that's it.
Now with this, this letter, I have potential
there to do it then,
infinite ratios, you know, infinite, you know, I'm
I'm not tied to the end results. I'm
completely free
then to create trough. I'm sure this must
happen when you're,
in the edit.
There's a little piece of
connective tissue, some logic that's missing. And you
know you can fill that hole so you
go back and And that's and that's where
I to say as a filmmaker Was really
impressed because I've seen a lot of, you
know, generative art, and it's very pretty. It's
very interesting. It could be very beautiful.
But telling a story can be hard because
of the nature of how Ai generates images.
So making that stuff hang together in a
thread,
is I think something...
You you seem to have AAA really unique
talent for the images
still managed to somehow,
talk hand off,
meaning 1 shot to the next. It progresses,
in a in a meaningful way, and that's...
I I can tell that's a lot of
iterations
and a lot of work. But also, at
a certain point, you have to let it
go. You could do that forever. Yep.
Yeah. Mean, I'm very happy with, you know,
I think the 1 of the core part
of this Ai test is that, you know,
you cannot
obtain perfection. I think it's a bit in
our music you then replace chords. So you
don't... Are you derive a song with has,
the, of the basic chords, and you it
works fine.
I, but but you don't actually your are
replaced almost, you know, every chord with, like,
a weird version of the cord data. And
you know, air shots are these weird were
versions.
But if they full fulfill their role in
the story. So if it if it works
in your mind. So if the story goes
from gear to year or it start. It
the max you feel or something. It makes
no difference if the shot itself is actually
completely kind of like, you know,
we or like, they're run or Florida or
the you want that I'm working on or
right now,
but I'm working on a
5 minute video
about how how
people invented that
blue Pepsi.
And, you know, And then this this video
it will be probably out in a few
days.
Think did will probably be my be my
best 1 in that way that I
go far away from, like, no reality, man,
I actually go into worlds.
Have a taste.
Tell me what you think.
It tastes like mouth wash.
You are a crazy.
It's non.
Mouth wash. It berries.
I'm sorry. I really don't know how it
can help you.
What ties you.
Why?
You will find the answer inside.
Relax.
That's your mind drift.
It's simply hugely excited because you can go
in the worlds that are hard to go
into in
traditional world. If you think about the as
a camera.
You can't then get a camera that is
able to do what these Ai cameras are
enabled then to do it right now. And
I think that's a personal.
Way of how do you think about it?
But if you think about it in terms
of the this model that you actually have
a tool that is far than superior to
the world's best camera
in some ways.
I think if you go into that,
then you can start to see all kinds
of interesting potential.
Sir, the camera... The camera you sold me
has taken Lsd.
Yeah.
And I think you know, that's of course
part of
fortunately, it's part of new medium. So if
you put...
I mean, they kind of the resolution is
is the lower. And so but if you
put it on the instead instagram having put
it on Twitter, you don't need these 4K6K
cameras that, you know, show show them all
the details. And I think overall stories
I mean, even if if you think about
movies like,
blair at which projects or than whatever. If
you have a good story.
People who will then start to for for
forgive. There's all kinds of interesting deals with
these A fields for instance that for in
in
the comparisons in each shop that look different
or they have light, then then they have
a, of different set of clothes
and you are team at first that, you
know, that's slightly distracted.
But I really actually find that people don't
call. They don't comp
complain that in this shot, they had a
blow that in the next shot, they have
a white shirt. It's not that... It's not
something you see in the North, funeral know
to nobody would have the time to actually
change their clothes for a shot. But the
people are actually surprisingly or given that, you
know,
As slur as the holes are the same.
What Europa is talking about here is called
coding.
If you give the audience the code or
the grammar your film in the first few
minutes, they will most likely be able to
adjust and accept almost anything that comes afterward
as long as it sticks to that set
of rules.
Defined by the code.
It's just another example of how adaptive and
plastic our brains are.
And back to that issue of temporal
instability.
It lends itself to a dream like quality
where men is never solid.
Ideas are not fixed.
But the technical issue of temporal stability will
be solved,
but it is this period of development that
most.
It's not bad generative of art, it's simply
the current state of the art and video
generated during these years will be marked by
that sense of cutting edge possibility.
And then maybe 1 day,
we'll become nostalgic. In the same way that
we are now nostalgic for that first 3
d video for Dire straits money for nothing.
It looks silly now, but it marks a
time in that technology technology's development.
If you think about a dream sequence in
the field on me, that's like, they're super
hard to do actually. You know, people
do like a blur and they kind of,
like, put something glow there and they pretend,
you know, that slide of dream sequence. And
and
and they always suck
how do our minds still work in dreams
overall. Mean, it's hard to fold some something
and not anything is this eastern instant.
This temporal
stability is trying at at this moment in
20 23. To capture this moment in time
that is trying apply buried then fleeting.
In 5 years, you know,
the teams will be worked out. So I
kind of like, you know, it it it
will start to look look more than normal.
But I think we are now in a
in in a super specific moment of time
where
it's now at the threshold that is kind
of like, in... It's extreme main interesting interesting
in place. Like first music videos with 3
d, so
pioneer straight, you know, music video, just like.
Bad really. But at the same time, it's
not bad. It's actually fantastic and it and
it's really didn't capture something specific. You actually
create something with these tools that are
flawed.
They tried to create art with it in
not in a kind of are a sarcastic
vendor, but actually try to create something with.
I have this assumption that if I take
5 years to the if we go 5
years to the future, and then we look
back
that the art being created in 20 23,
will be actually quite
interested hopefully.
Because it will be kind of like the
first or glimpse sets of kind of light,
from, like this humbly noise
to actually something that is the meaningful and
and I suspect and hope that
this short moment in time that we are
in right now
you don't need to wait. So, I mean,
you can tell, you know, exciting stories today.
Thank you for watching part 1 of our
interview with a rope on.
Next time, we're gonna get more into the
ethical and financial matters associated with Ai.
Thanks for watching.
The well is written produced and edited by
Ans Mount and B,
theme music written and performed by Jonathan Me,
with additional music by Brandon agents.
Special thanks to Rope Rid stone for chatting
with us from Finland and for donating the
work that appears in this episode
until next time.
Have a good time.