1 00:00:01,439 --> 00:00:04,740 I'll start walking your way. You'll start walking 2 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:05,299 mine. 3 00:00:05,599 --> 00:00:08,964 We'll meet in the middle, meet that old 4 00:00:09,125 --> 00:00:09,865 Georgia fine. 5 00:00:10,964 --> 00:00:12,275 They're really in the clinic. 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,420 Welcome to Therapists in Motion podcast, 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,260 brought to you by Spooner. 8 00:00:31,095 --> 00:00:34,390 Welcome back to Therapists in Motion podcast. This 9 00:00:34,390 --> 00:00:37,270 is Dan hosting once again, and I am 10 00:00:37,270 --> 00:00:38,570 joined on the podcast 11 00:00:39,189 --> 00:00:40,170 with another 12 00:00:40,469 --> 00:00:41,289 new individual 13 00:00:41,815 --> 00:00:44,875 and one individual returning for podcast number 2. 14 00:00:45,414 --> 00:00:48,395 So let me first introduce my esteemed 15 00:00:48,774 --> 00:00:51,809 colleague and dear friend who is joining us 16 00:00:51,809 --> 00:00:54,149 on the podcast for the very first time, 17 00:00:54,609 --> 00:00:55,989 missus Jenna Salber. 18 00:00:56,369 --> 00:00:57,109 Hi, everyone. 19 00:00:58,375 --> 00:01:00,954 And joining us for the 2nd time, 20 00:01:01,574 --> 00:01:04,234 and I think back to back episodes, 21 00:01:04,935 --> 00:01:06,155 is Anthony Celio. 22 00:01:06,810 --> 00:01:09,049 Welcome back. Yes, sir. Thank you very much. 23 00:01:09,049 --> 00:01:09,549 Excited. 24 00:01:10,730 --> 00:01:12,430 So we have a really 25 00:01:12,810 --> 00:01:14,189 interesting and engaging 26 00:01:14,730 --> 00:01:15,709 topic today 27 00:01:16,115 --> 00:01:18,115 that is gonna be a little different than 28 00:01:18,115 --> 00:01:19,655 what we've ever done before. 29 00:01:20,115 --> 00:01:22,515 So today, we're actually gonna talk to our 30 00:01:22,515 --> 00:01:23,015 students. 31 00:01:24,370 --> 00:01:26,310 And it's gonna be 2 part focused. 32 00:01:27,090 --> 00:01:28,790 The first is gonna be 33 00:01:29,170 --> 00:01:30,870 from our perspective 34 00:01:31,409 --> 00:01:31,909 as 35 00:01:32,704 --> 00:01:33,204 CI's 36 00:01:34,305 --> 00:01:34,805 CCCE's 37 00:01:36,224 --> 00:01:37,204 clinic director, 38 00:01:37,905 --> 00:01:41,359 what we believe a student can do as 39 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:43,299 they enter into clinical rotation 40 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,459 to stand out 41 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:46,739 and impress 42 00:01:48,364 --> 00:01:50,704 the the staff during that rotation. 43 00:01:51,484 --> 00:01:53,965 Then we're gonna shift gears, and we're gonna 44 00:01:53,965 --> 00:01:56,784 come from the perspective of a student 45 00:01:57,700 --> 00:01:59,879 on what we think a student 46 00:02:00,259 --> 00:02:01,799 should be looking for 47 00:02:02,259 --> 00:02:04,899 as they enter the clinic to determine if 48 00:02:04,899 --> 00:02:07,244 this is some place in the future they 49 00:02:07,244 --> 00:02:09,185 would want to seek employment. 50 00:02:09,645 --> 00:02:11,025 Sound like a good game plan? 51 00:02:11,724 --> 00:02:12,544 Sounds good. 52 00:02:12,844 --> 00:02:13,985 Alright. So 53 00:02:14,444 --> 00:02:15,584 first question, 54 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,020 What are ways for a student to enhance 55 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:23,780 during a clinical rotation that they would potentially 56 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,780 receive a job offer? 57 00:02:26,795 --> 00:02:29,194 Yeah. I think from my vantage point as 58 00:02:29,194 --> 00:02:32,895 a previous clinic director, you know, observing students, 59 00:02:33,129 --> 00:02:35,530 which it's important to really focus clinically on 60 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:37,050 what you're doing right like that's why you're 61 00:02:37,050 --> 00:02:38,969 there you're there to learn but I feel 62 00:02:38,969 --> 00:02:41,050 like if you get tunneled vision and all 63 00:02:41,050 --> 00:02:42,955 you're really doing is focusing on the patients 64 00:02:43,194 --> 00:02:44,175 your own CI, 65 00:02:44,794 --> 00:02:46,335 you're missing a huge opportunity. 66 00:02:46,794 --> 00:02:48,715 So myself as a clinic director, I would 67 00:02:48,715 --> 00:02:51,090 always look at various aspects of how are 68 00:02:51,090 --> 00:02:53,330 you how are you engaging with other staff 69 00:02:53,330 --> 00:02:53,830 members? 70 00:02:54,290 --> 00:02:56,290 Are you excited to learn more about the 71 00:02:56,290 --> 00:02:56,790 company? 72 00:02:57,250 --> 00:02:57,990 Are there 73 00:02:58,290 --> 00:02:58,790 opportunities 74 00:02:59,415 --> 00:03:01,514 outside of the clinic that you can engage 75 00:03:01,655 --> 00:03:02,155 with, 76 00:03:02,615 --> 00:03:06,074 learn, have social interactions with? Because for myself 77 00:03:06,215 --> 00:03:08,455 as a clinic director, when I thought about 78 00:03:08,455 --> 00:03:10,439 new grads, I was always big on will 79 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:12,360 over skill that, you know, hopefully, you're gonna 80 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,760 come out competent. There's gonna be various aspects 81 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,074 that you're gonna be successful at, but you're 82 00:03:17,074 --> 00:03:19,314 still gonna be a new grad. Right? So 83 00:03:19,474 --> 00:03:21,415 but if you have a a great personality, 84 00:03:21,474 --> 00:03:23,175 if you're engaging with the team, 85 00:03:23,474 --> 00:03:26,275 that's what's gonna excite me to bring you 86 00:03:26,275 --> 00:03:26,580 on. 87 00:03:28,419 --> 00:03:30,099 I think also seeking out some of the 88 00:03:30,099 --> 00:03:33,240 extra things that Spooner offers, like mentorship opportunities 89 00:03:33,460 --> 00:03:35,620 within and without the or outside of the 90 00:03:35,620 --> 00:03:36,120 clinic, 91 00:03:36,585 --> 00:03:38,525 being able to participate in athlete screens, 92 00:03:39,064 --> 00:03:41,145 and then taking advantage of not just your 93 00:03:41,145 --> 00:03:44,025 CI skill base, but also the other therapists 94 00:03:44,025 --> 00:03:45,084 within your clinic. 95 00:03:45,769 --> 00:03:48,009 Asking them questions about cases that you and 96 00:03:48,009 --> 00:03:49,930 your CI might have, but other cases that 97 00:03:49,930 --> 00:03:51,709 they might have that are interesting as well. 98 00:03:52,384 --> 00:03:54,864 So let's go off of that in in 99 00:03:54,864 --> 00:03:55,364 utilizing 100 00:03:55,745 --> 00:03:57,604 the resources within the clinic. 101 00:03:58,224 --> 00:03:58,724 Because 102 00:03:59,424 --> 00:04:02,004 during show prep, we talked about how 103 00:04:02,449 --> 00:04:04,610 there's a lot of students who will seek 104 00:04:04,610 --> 00:04:07,569 a clinical rotation because of they have this 105 00:04:07,569 --> 00:04:08,629 specialty practice. 106 00:04:09,409 --> 00:04:10,870 And that's not a bad thing, 107 00:04:11,894 --> 00:04:14,074 but there's still a lot to be learned 108 00:04:14,694 --> 00:04:15,174 from, 109 00:04:15,735 --> 00:04:17,435 going to an environment, 110 00:04:17,894 --> 00:04:20,790 a clinic that has a lot of different 111 00:04:20,930 --> 00:04:21,430 perspectives, 112 00:04:22,209 --> 00:04:23,829 varying treatment approaches, 113 00:04:24,610 --> 00:04:26,149 varying levels of 114 00:04:27,285 --> 00:04:30,404 tenure within the profession. So, Jenna, in your 115 00:04:30,404 --> 00:04:32,024 opinion, talk about why 116 00:04:32,644 --> 00:04:33,865 and as a CCCE 117 00:04:34,564 --> 00:04:35,625 here at Spooner, 118 00:04:36,330 --> 00:04:38,590 what you look for when you see applications 119 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:41,230 come through for students who are looking to 120 00:04:41,529 --> 00:04:43,689 do a clinical rotation, and they may make 121 00:04:43,689 --> 00:04:45,790 mention of a specific 122 00:04:46,185 --> 00:04:46,925 specialty practice? 123 00:04:48,105 --> 00:04:50,365 If they make mention of a specific specialty, 124 00:04:50,745 --> 00:04:52,105 I will try to make sure that they're 125 00:04:52,105 --> 00:04:54,285 at a clinic that has that 126 00:04:54,740 --> 00:04:57,939 exposure available to them, but also doesn't only 127 00:04:57,939 --> 00:04:59,639 have that as their only exposure, 128 00:05:00,259 --> 00:05:01,939 to make sure that they're getting a good 129 00:05:01,939 --> 00:05:04,324 breadth of experience as opposed to just, I'm 130 00:05:04,324 --> 00:05:06,345 only wanna see this one type of thing. 131 00:05:06,884 --> 00:05:09,044 And then making sure to encourage them if 132 00:05:09,044 --> 00:05:11,279 there are other areas that might interest them 133 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,519 to reach out to their CI, the clinic 134 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:14,019 director, 135 00:05:14,399 --> 00:05:16,240 myself, and we can help to organize those 136 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,420 things for them while they're within the company. 137 00:05:18,884 --> 00:05:20,485 Yeah. I think, Jenna, like, you bring up 138 00:05:20,485 --> 00:05:22,404 a good point and, like, right now, obviously, 139 00:05:22,404 --> 00:05:24,564 with Spooner, we have an initiative of sports 140 00:05:24,564 --> 00:05:26,245 medicine. Right? And we get a lot of 141 00:05:26,245 --> 00:05:28,240 students that are interested in that. And I 142 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,840 think we would all agree to be a 143 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:31,759 great sports medicine therapist, you still have to 144 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:33,540 be a great journalist orthopedic 145 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,115 therapist as well. So a lot of times, 146 00:05:36,115 --> 00:05:38,194 I'll see students come in, and they'll get 147 00:05:38,194 --> 00:05:40,115 excited about be being paired with one of 148 00:05:40,115 --> 00:05:41,334 our sports med therapists, 149 00:05:41,795 --> 00:05:44,649 and they're losing opportunity of learning from some 150 00:05:44,649 --> 00:05:46,569 of the other tenured therapists that have great 151 00:05:46,569 --> 00:05:48,889 manual skills, have great other aspects to the 152 00:05:48,889 --> 00:05:49,389 repertoire 153 00:05:49,754 --> 00:05:52,074 because they get a little too focused and 154 00:05:52,074 --> 00:05:53,995 honed in on that specialty. So I think, 155 00:05:53,995 --> 00:05:55,355 like, that's something to make sure that you're 156 00:05:55,355 --> 00:05:57,035 aware of. Well, and I think that's that's 157 00:05:57,035 --> 00:05:58,709 something really important for students 158 00:05:59,589 --> 00:06:00,729 to really understand 159 00:06:02,229 --> 00:06:04,729 is the vast majority of specialty practices 160 00:06:05,189 --> 00:06:05,850 out there 161 00:06:06,254 --> 00:06:07,954 still have a fundamental, 162 00:06:08,654 --> 00:06:10,675 especially if we talk about the outpatient setting, 163 00:06:10,814 --> 00:06:11,954 have a foundational 164 00:06:12,334 --> 00:06:14,675 approach in orthopedic PT. 165 00:06:14,990 --> 00:06:16,829 Jenna, you treat a lot of breast health, 166 00:06:16,829 --> 00:06:18,529 but there are still orthopedic 167 00:06:18,910 --> 00:06:20,129 related components 168 00:06:20,990 --> 00:06:22,529 as you treat these individuals 169 00:06:23,164 --> 00:06:25,404 who are going through breast cancer journeys in 170 00:06:25,404 --> 00:06:27,824 various stages. They may still have glenohumeral 171 00:06:28,125 --> 00:06:31,185 joint mobility issues or cervical spine joint 172 00:06:31,724 --> 00:06:34,189 mobility issues that you are treating orthopedically 173 00:06:34,649 --> 00:06:35,470 in addition 174 00:06:35,930 --> 00:06:38,810 to helping them navigate the entire world and 175 00:06:38,810 --> 00:06:41,629 the complexity that is in with breast health. 176 00:06:41,754 --> 00:06:43,354 And I would argue too, if you wanna 177 00:06:43,354 --> 00:06:45,274 be a good sports med therapist, you need 178 00:06:45,274 --> 00:06:47,375 to be a fantastic orthopedic therapist 179 00:06:47,754 --> 00:06:49,914 and able to be a good sports med 180 00:06:49,914 --> 00:06:52,539 therapist. If you don't have the foundational skills, 181 00:06:52,919 --> 00:06:54,519 I mean, you're not gonna get your patients 182 00:06:54,519 --> 00:06:56,779 better ultimately, which is most important to athletes. 183 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,504 And for myself, like, you know, conducting interviews, 184 00:07:00,504 --> 00:07:02,764 I would say it's very difficult for myself 185 00:07:02,824 --> 00:07:05,225 sometimes to understand if someone can be a 186 00:07:05,225 --> 00:07:07,389 team player is if in the interview, they 187 00:07:07,389 --> 00:07:08,829 just said, like, I wanna be I wanna 188 00:07:08,829 --> 00:07:10,589 be a sports medicine therapist. I'm, like, what 189 00:07:10,589 --> 00:07:12,750 other aspects excites you about physical therapy? And, 190 00:07:12,750 --> 00:07:14,430 like, oh, I just I want sports medicine. 191 00:07:14,430 --> 00:07:16,404 I'm, like, I need more from you if 192 00:07:16,404 --> 00:07:17,605 you're gonna be a part of this team 193 00:07:17,605 --> 00:07:19,045 that, you know, I need you to have 194 00:07:19,045 --> 00:07:21,125 that broad range of availability to treat what 195 00:07:21,125 --> 00:07:22,564 still walks through the door. So when it 196 00:07:22,564 --> 00:07:24,839 gets back to the question or or our 197 00:07:24,839 --> 00:07:26,460 purpose of how can you enhance 198 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,620 your experience from our perspective, 199 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,319 make sure that you're broader in what what 200 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:33,194 you're thinking about. Did you just make up 201 00:07:33,194 --> 00:07:35,134 a word? Yep. Broad of Broad. 202 00:07:35,595 --> 00:07:37,295 Ring broad. I'm from 203 00:07:37,675 --> 00:07:39,595 I'm from Louisiana, so I'm gonna make up 204 00:07:39,595 --> 00:07:40,654 some words here. 205 00:07:43,139 --> 00:07:45,620 Okay. So next question I have is you 206 00:07:45,620 --> 00:07:46,439 talked about 207 00:07:46,899 --> 00:07:48,360 how to help a student 208 00:07:48,979 --> 00:07:51,584 kinda pick their head up and take advantage 209 00:07:51,644 --> 00:07:53,264 of the opportunities 210 00:07:53,725 --> 00:07:56,785 that may exist within a clinic or 211 00:07:57,300 --> 00:07:58,120 within the company. 212 00:07:58,660 --> 00:08:01,939 So what are some suggestions that you have 213 00:08:01,939 --> 00:08:03,160 and very specific 214 00:08:03,620 --> 00:08:04,120 suggestions 215 00:08:04,660 --> 00:08:07,444 that you have to help them engage with 216 00:08:07,665 --> 00:08:10,644 more of the clinic and the company regardless 217 00:08:10,785 --> 00:08:12,964 of if they're in Spooner or not? 218 00:08:14,759 --> 00:08:16,060 I think a couple 219 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:19,639 specific examples I would have is, 1, make 220 00:08:19,639 --> 00:08:21,720 sure that you're not, quote, unquote, just clocking 221 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,024 in and clocking out. So whether that's, you 222 00:08:24,024 --> 00:08:26,425 know, engaging, like, I'll observe students. Are they 223 00:08:26,425 --> 00:08:28,824 engaging with others over lunch? Like, how long 224 00:08:28,824 --> 00:08:30,689 after they finish for the day? Are they 225 00:08:30,689 --> 00:08:31,589 staying and 226 00:08:31,970 --> 00:08:35,089 engaging with other therapists? If there's opportunities outside 227 00:08:35,089 --> 00:08:36,850 of the clinic, you know, we spoke to 228 00:08:36,850 --> 00:08:39,089 our our athlete screens. We have student nights 229 00:08:39,089 --> 00:08:42,434 that are you attending those? Because that's something 230 00:08:42,434 --> 00:08:45,235 that we almost view as almost a requirement, 231 00:08:45,235 --> 00:08:46,809 I would say, here at Spooner that we 232 00:08:46,809 --> 00:08:48,330 want you to engage with this, and it's 233 00:08:48,330 --> 00:08:50,730 gonna be very, very beneficial for you. So 234 00:08:50,730 --> 00:08:52,490 if I see a student not take advantage 235 00:08:52,490 --> 00:08:54,330 of that, it is gonna be something that's 236 00:08:54,330 --> 00:08:55,470 gonna make me question, 237 00:08:55,804 --> 00:08:57,964 are they a team player? Are they willing 238 00:08:57,964 --> 00:09:01,345 to truly do what's necessary to build themselves 239 00:09:01,884 --> 00:09:02,704 as a clinician? 240 00:09:03,269 --> 00:09:04,870 And I think if you're not at a 241 00:09:04,870 --> 00:09:05,370 spooner, 242 00:09:05,830 --> 00:09:07,669 ask those questions of your CI, of your 243 00:09:07,669 --> 00:09:10,169 clinic director, like, what are your mentorship opportunities 244 00:09:10,230 --> 00:09:12,090 within the clinic and outside of the clinic? 245 00:09:12,485 --> 00:09:14,485 What do you guys do for team bonding? 246 00:09:14,485 --> 00:09:16,485 What do you do for, like, community events? 247 00:09:16,485 --> 00:09:18,004 Are those things that I can help out 248 00:09:18,004 --> 00:09:19,705 with? And the more that you show 249 00:09:20,090 --> 00:09:21,850 that you're willing to participate in those things, 250 00:09:21,850 --> 00:09:23,790 that makes you more marketable and hireable. 251 00:09:24,570 --> 00:09:26,090 Yeah. I think that those are 2, you 252 00:09:26,090 --> 00:09:28,750 know, really good tangible suggestions because 253 00:09:30,764 --> 00:09:33,644 the vast majority of outpatient orthopedics are gonna 254 00:09:33,644 --> 00:09:34,144 have 255 00:09:34,684 --> 00:09:36,605 some sort of opportunity to do those things. 256 00:09:36,605 --> 00:09:38,785 It could be a pro bono clinic opportunity. 257 00:09:38,925 --> 00:09:39,825 It could be 258 00:09:40,339 --> 00:09:43,059 Saturday morning sports medicine clinic where you're there 259 00:09:43,059 --> 00:09:46,980 with other health care providers, and you're checking 260 00:09:46,980 --> 00:09:50,345 out athletes who got hurt at competitions on 261 00:09:50,565 --> 00:09:52,245 Thursday or Friday, and this is on a 262 00:09:52,245 --> 00:09:55,384 Saturday morning. It could be, you know, traveling 263 00:09:55,524 --> 00:09:58,460 with not your CI, but another therapist who's 264 00:09:58,460 --> 00:10:01,740 going to cover an event, whether that's, you 265 00:10:01,740 --> 00:10:02,960 know, a health fair 266 00:10:03,580 --> 00:10:04,800 or a booth 267 00:10:05,375 --> 00:10:05,875 at 268 00:10:06,254 --> 00:10:09,075 a wellness opportunity within the community 269 00:10:09,455 --> 00:10:10,355 or participate 270 00:10:10,815 --> 00:10:13,919 and attend a a community lecture at a 271 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:16,659 local senior center. Right? I think there's opportunities 272 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:19,299 in the vast majority of clinical rotations 273 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,899 to do more than just what is occurring 274 00:10:24,144 --> 00:10:25,365 with the 8 to 5 275 00:10:25,825 --> 00:10:27,044 patient care aspect. 276 00:10:27,585 --> 00:10:28,784 And I would say, you know, if you're 277 00:10:28,784 --> 00:10:30,865 not gonna be someone who's gonna be a 278 00:10:30,865 --> 00:10:32,544 yes person, so to speak, to all of 279 00:10:32,544 --> 00:10:33,044 these, 280 00:10:33,460 --> 00:10:35,940 Even just within your own clinic, asking more 281 00:10:35,940 --> 00:10:38,740 about the company culture, the company values, the 282 00:10:38,740 --> 00:10:40,924 initiatives. It seems easy, but to me, when 283 00:10:40,924 --> 00:10:43,044 I had a student approach me proactively and 284 00:10:43,044 --> 00:10:45,284 say, Anthony, I heard that you wanna your 285 00:10:45,445 --> 00:10:48,105 Spooner wants to be a primary MSK provider. 286 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:50,779 What does that mean? How do you become 287 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,480 that in Spooner as a therapist? You know? 288 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,080 So I think that can even go a 289 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:55,899 long way, 290 00:10:56,415 --> 00:10:58,975 having some of those deeper conversations about what 291 00:10:58,975 --> 00:11:01,295 makes that specific company special and what they're 292 00:11:01,295 --> 00:11:02,195 trying to achieve. 293 00:11:02,815 --> 00:11:04,654 I think, also, kind of going a little 294 00:11:04,654 --> 00:11:06,709 different direction. If you're not 295 00:11:07,409 --> 00:11:08,870 going to something specifically 296 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:09,750 academically 297 00:11:10,289 --> 00:11:12,289 related, like, still figuring out how you can 298 00:11:12,289 --> 00:11:14,549 be there for your caseload patients 299 00:11:15,014 --> 00:11:16,934 during your time, if that's attending a sporting 300 00:11:16,934 --> 00:11:17,434 event, 301 00:11:17,894 --> 00:11:19,414 if that's, you know, telling someone, hey, good 302 00:11:19,414 --> 00:11:21,335 luck at your triathlon this weekend. Just making 303 00:11:21,335 --> 00:11:23,414 sure that you are engaged with the patients 304 00:11:23,414 --> 00:11:25,230 that you're seeing in the clinic. I think 305 00:11:25,230 --> 00:11:26,769 that's a great strategy because 306 00:11:27,870 --> 00:11:29,870 one of the things I was told by 307 00:11:29,870 --> 00:11:32,384 an early mentor of mine was the more 308 00:11:32,384 --> 00:11:34,225 you know about the patient, the more they're 309 00:11:34,225 --> 00:11:35,445 gonna realize you care. 310 00:11:35,745 --> 00:11:38,165 And going back to, Anthony, your point of 311 00:11:38,384 --> 00:11:41,125 being really present and engaging 312 00:11:42,049 --> 00:11:43,509 in all of the aspects, 313 00:11:44,129 --> 00:11:46,210 that's the place to start is what Jenna 314 00:11:46,210 --> 00:11:47,190 just mentioned is 315 00:11:47,570 --> 00:11:49,190 be present with the patient. 316 00:11:49,735 --> 00:11:52,934 And those little small comments, one, go a 317 00:11:52,934 --> 00:11:54,875 long way with the patient. But 318 00:11:55,574 --> 00:11:57,914 if your CI is present, 319 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:00,240 and that doesn't mean they're standing right next 320 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,879 to you, but if they're present, they're gonna 321 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:04,660 recognize those things and be like, 322 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,279 that's something different. Now the other thing I 323 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:08,945 will say about it is you gotta be 324 00:12:08,945 --> 00:12:11,825 genuine and authentic. Mhmm. Because if you're not, 325 00:12:11,825 --> 00:12:13,345 the vast majority of people are gonna see 326 00:12:13,345 --> 00:12:14,725 through that. K? 327 00:12:15,184 --> 00:12:17,720 Right? And then and the 2 of Jenna 328 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,879 and Anthony are both nodding their heads yes 329 00:12:19,879 --> 00:12:21,959 to that. So I feel like that that 330 00:12:21,959 --> 00:12:23,500 has to come across as 331 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,039 genuine. And, again, to Anthony's point, that doesn't 332 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:27,524 mean you have to say yes to everything, 333 00:12:27,524 --> 00:12:28,745 but there's an opportunity 334 00:12:29,524 --> 00:12:32,485 to start to showcase who you are and 335 00:12:32,485 --> 00:12:33,945 why you are in this profession 336 00:12:34,290 --> 00:12:36,370 because it is a service oriented profession, and 337 00:12:36,370 --> 00:12:38,529 it can start with what seems as simple 338 00:12:38,529 --> 00:12:40,450 as good luck on your triathlon or showing 339 00:12:40,450 --> 00:12:42,850 up to a Friday night sporting event that 340 00:12:42,850 --> 00:12:43,990 can go a long way. 341 00:12:45,875 --> 00:12:46,375 Okay. 342 00:12:47,394 --> 00:12:49,735 So before we transition to the 343 00:12:50,035 --> 00:12:52,595 perspective of a student going into a clinical 344 00:12:52,595 --> 00:12:53,095 rotation, 345 00:12:55,539 --> 00:12:57,240 my brain goes to 346 00:12:57,860 --> 00:12:59,159 we've talked about 347 00:13:00,259 --> 00:13:02,200 first impression. We've talked about 348 00:13:03,305 --> 00:13:05,004 seeking out additional opportunities. 349 00:13:06,504 --> 00:13:07,565 But what about 350 00:13:09,065 --> 00:13:11,725 when a student is presented with a difficult 351 00:13:11,865 --> 00:13:12,365 situation? 352 00:13:13,339 --> 00:13:14,959 What are the tips for 353 00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:16,559 that student 354 00:13:17,100 --> 00:13:19,100 when they are presented with a difficult situation? 355 00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:20,320 Let's give the example 356 00:13:20,625 --> 00:13:21,605 that the vast majority 357 00:13:22,065 --> 00:13:23,284 of students encounter. 358 00:13:24,465 --> 00:13:26,304 A patient doesn't want to work with you 359 00:13:26,304 --> 00:13:26,804 anymore. 360 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,820 What tips do we have 361 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,580 to prepare them to manage that potential situation? 362 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,274 I feel like from my vantage point, 363 00:13:36,754 --> 00:13:39,075 this first, you cannot take to heart as 364 00:13:39,075 --> 00:13:40,675 a student. Like, that's what I always speak 365 00:13:40,675 --> 00:13:43,495 to. It's like, don't take it personally. 99% 366 00:13:43,715 --> 00:13:46,134 of the time, you probably did nothing wrong. 367 00:13:46,899 --> 00:13:49,379 It's only because there's gonna be individuals that 368 00:13:49,379 --> 00:13:51,799 because you have student physical therapists 369 00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:53,240 behind your name 370 00:13:53,605 --> 00:13:56,325 that they feel that there may be something 371 00:13:56,325 --> 00:13:58,325 lacking in the care even though as a 372 00:13:58,325 --> 00:13:58,825 CI, 373 00:13:59,205 --> 00:14:01,205 we explain that we've spoken through the plan 374 00:14:01,205 --> 00:14:03,079 of care with you, that we feel confident 375 00:14:03,079 --> 00:14:04,919 in your abilities. And I think in that 376 00:14:04,919 --> 00:14:07,319 situation, you really just need to be able 377 00:14:07,319 --> 00:14:09,159 to to move on from it, speak with 378 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:11,100 your CI, make sure that you're 379 00:14:11,424 --> 00:14:13,665 following up and discussing if there is any 380 00:14:13,665 --> 00:14:15,985 advice that can come from the patient as 381 00:14:15,985 --> 00:14:18,465 far as anything particularly maybe how you worded 382 00:14:18,465 --> 00:14:20,304 something. Maybe it was a little bit as 383 00:14:20,304 --> 00:14:23,149 far as your presence with them during the 384 00:14:23,149 --> 00:14:24,769 exercise or lack thereof 385 00:14:25,309 --> 00:14:27,789 and digest that, but it really is it's 386 00:14:27,789 --> 00:14:29,470 gonna happen. I feel like with every student 387 00:14:29,470 --> 00:14:31,894 I ever had, there was gonna be that 388 00:14:31,894 --> 00:14:34,535 1 to 2 patients, every clinical rotation that 389 00:14:34,535 --> 00:14:36,215 just for whatever reasons, like, they're a student. 390 00:14:36,215 --> 00:14:37,894 I'd rather work with you. So I think 391 00:14:37,894 --> 00:14:39,175 it's just you just can't take it to 392 00:14:39,175 --> 00:14:40,980 heart. I think to just be open to 393 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:42,759 the feedback and make sure that 394 00:14:43,059 --> 00:14:45,940 you are taking it, learning from it, and 395 00:14:45,940 --> 00:14:47,940 utilizing that with your next patient. Don't take 396 00:14:47,940 --> 00:14:48,679 it personally. 397 00:14:49,215 --> 00:14:50,735 Just what can I do to get better 398 00:14:50,735 --> 00:14:51,794 in my next interaction? 399 00:14:52,415 --> 00:14:53,235 Yeah. I 400 00:14:53,535 --> 00:14:56,434 I completely agree with that. I was adamantly 401 00:14:56,495 --> 00:14:58,309 nodding my head when Anthony said, try not 402 00:14:58,309 --> 00:14:59,370 to take it personally. 403 00:14:59,750 --> 00:15:02,549 I realized that's easier said than done, because 404 00:15:02,549 --> 00:15:04,250 it might be the first time in 405 00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:07,455 your life where you were, like, quote, unquote, 406 00:15:07,514 --> 00:15:08,414 not accepted, 407 00:15:09,274 --> 00:15:11,134 and that could be difficult to swallow. 408 00:15:11,754 --> 00:15:13,995 And Jenna and I went to PT school 409 00:15:13,995 --> 00:15:16,320 together, and I we were both reflecting back, 410 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:17,940 and this is in no means 411 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,159 a a shot at the institution that we 412 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:23,059 grad graduated from. But that wasn't a conversation 413 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,945 that was had of let's talk about how 414 00:15:25,945 --> 00:15:26,605 to prepare 415 00:15:27,144 --> 00:15:27,644 yourself 416 00:15:28,024 --> 00:15:29,644 going on this clinical rotation. 417 00:15:30,105 --> 00:15:31,704 It was more, oh, I had talked to 418 00:15:31,704 --> 00:15:33,740 somebody that was at that site and had 419 00:15:33,740 --> 00:15:34,639 some insight 420 00:15:35,019 --> 00:15:35,519 versus 421 00:15:36,220 --> 00:15:38,860 really coming from the academia world of, hey. 422 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:41,495 Let's talk about how to manage the ebbs 423 00:15:41,495 --> 00:15:42,955 and flows that may 424 00:15:43,335 --> 00:15:45,335 occur on your clinical rotation. And if you 425 00:15:45,335 --> 00:15:48,459 don't experience that, awesome. But if you do, 426 00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:50,679 again, don't take it personally. Take it as 427 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:51,179 feedback. 428 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:53,740 Seek an opportunity to improve yourself 429 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:54,860 because 430 00:15:55,424 --> 00:15:58,225 guess what? As licensed professionals, I'm sure you 431 00:15:58,225 --> 00:15:59,985 have the 2 of you has encountered this 432 00:15:59,985 --> 00:16:02,144 because I definitely have. Or even as a 433 00:16:02,144 --> 00:16:04,279 licensed professional, a patient looks at me and 434 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:05,980 says, I don't wanna work with you anymore. 435 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:09,720 It's just gonna happen in the world of 436 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,240 health care. No. I mean, I'm glad you 437 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,600 mentioned that because I was even gonna say, 438 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,899 like, to take it one step further as 439 00:16:14,899 --> 00:16:17,144 a therapist who's been out 10 years, even 440 00:16:17,144 --> 00:16:19,388 early on, there'll be moments as 3 to 441 00:16:19,388 --> 00:16:21,790 4 years, and a patient would find out 442 00:16:21,790 --> 00:16:23,790 that there was a more senior therapist with 443 00:16:23,790 --> 00:16:25,750 12 or 13 years and like I want 444 00:16:25,750 --> 00:16:27,230 to go work with them and it was 445 00:16:27,230 --> 00:16:29,649 literally because they associated the years of experience 446 00:16:29,985 --> 00:16:31,585 that they were gonna get better more quickly 447 00:16:31,585 --> 00:16:33,665 because of that. So it even it even 448 00:16:33,665 --> 00:16:35,445 can happen in that situation as well. 449 00:16:35,825 --> 00:16:37,825 I think too it's important from a CI 450 00:16:37,825 --> 00:16:40,370 perspective. You can we know our we should 451 00:16:40,370 --> 00:16:42,450 know as therapists, know our patients well enough 452 00:16:42,450 --> 00:16:43,029 to know 453 00:16:43,570 --> 00:16:44,929 who might be a little bit more particular 454 00:16:44,929 --> 00:16:46,769 about working with a student, who might not. 455 00:16:46,769 --> 00:16:48,450 And I'm not gonna put my student in 456 00:16:48,450 --> 00:16:50,995 a situation to fail, so I will keep 457 00:16:50,995 --> 00:16:52,754 those patients where this is someone we're not 458 00:16:52,754 --> 00:16:55,554 gonna share versus we can share patient b 459 00:16:55,554 --> 00:16:56,919 just fine. It won't be an issue. 460 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:00,059 I think that's a great great point. And 461 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,079 little blue light special, we are gonna do 462 00:17:03,079 --> 00:17:04,700 a podcast that talks about 463 00:17:05,554 --> 00:17:08,355 some expectations that we believe student 464 00:17:09,095 --> 00:17:12,355 CI should have of engaging with a student, 465 00:17:12,355 --> 00:17:14,579 and I I'm sure Jenna will bring that 466 00:17:14,579 --> 00:17:17,220 up again about ensuring that we are setting 467 00:17:17,220 --> 00:17:18,680 our students up for success 468 00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:20,180 and and giving 469 00:17:20,934 --> 00:17:23,255 you know, have giving students the opportunity to 470 00:17:23,255 --> 00:17:25,355 work with patients who will 471 00:17:26,134 --> 00:17:27,835 allow them to critically think, 472 00:17:28,455 --> 00:17:29,355 but also 473 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,320 not have this just approach where they're like, 474 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:34,519 oh my gosh. I can't see. I'm working 475 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:35,559 on this. Why am I doing this? What, 476 00:17:35,559 --> 00:17:37,019 like, what am I even doing? 477 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,785 That's just not beneficial. Us as licensed professionals 478 00:17:40,785 --> 00:17:43,025 have those patients, and we can make the 479 00:17:43,025 --> 00:17:44,865 educated decision to say, you know, baby, this 480 00:17:44,865 --> 00:17:46,005 is not student appropriate. 481 00:17:47,250 --> 00:17:50,309 Alright. Any last thoughts before we change perspectives 482 00:17:50,369 --> 00:17:51,349 within this pod? 483 00:17:52,289 --> 00:17:53,329 No. Not that I can think of. I 484 00:17:53,329 --> 00:17:55,484 don't think so, mate. Okay. Awesome. So now 485 00:17:55,484 --> 00:17:57,664 we're gonna flip it, and we're gonna go 486 00:17:58,525 --> 00:18:01,644 looking as a student walking into a clinical 487 00:18:01,644 --> 00:18:02,144 rotation. 488 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:04,380 What would be suggestions 489 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,579 or things we would encourage you all 490 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:10,200 to be looking for and mindful of when 491 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:11,820 you're entering a clinical rotation? 492 00:18:12,515 --> 00:18:14,615 Okay. So Anthony, let's start with you. 493 00:18:15,315 --> 00:18:17,234 Yes, and to take this a little different 494 00:18:17,234 --> 00:18:19,234 route once again, you know, we're speaking Beyond 495 00:18:19,234 --> 00:18:21,769 I think the clinical aspects here, right? We're 496 00:18:21,769 --> 00:18:24,090 looking at culture. We're looking at fit say 497 00:18:24,090 --> 00:18:26,809 you're going into a clinic a company that 498 00:18:26,809 --> 00:18:28,730 you are really excited about that has a 499 00:18:28,730 --> 00:18:29,549 great reputation 500 00:18:30,345 --> 00:18:31,944 and you want to figure out is this 501 00:18:31,944 --> 00:18:33,804 somewhere that you'd potentially want to work? 502 00:18:34,184 --> 00:18:35,464 What I always kind of say look at 503 00:18:35,464 --> 00:18:38,140 some small different little aspects of things and 504 00:18:38,140 --> 00:18:39,119 that can go into 505 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:42,380 as specifically as how quickly then do the 506 00:18:42,380 --> 00:18:42,880 therapists 507 00:18:43,180 --> 00:18:45,180 leave when they're done for the day because 508 00:18:45,180 --> 00:18:47,339 in the teams that I've really enjoyed and 509 00:18:47,339 --> 00:18:47,839 had 510 00:18:48,445 --> 00:18:50,464 I would say like the funnest working with 511 00:18:50,845 --> 00:18:52,445 it's going to be we're hanging out 30 512 00:18:52,445 --> 00:18:54,285 minutes after we're done because we're just chit 513 00:18:54,285 --> 00:18:56,605 chatting about things having a great day. So 514 00:18:56,605 --> 00:18:58,619 what does that look like? I would say 515 00:18:58,619 --> 00:19:00,000 how do they handle stress 516 00:19:00,380 --> 00:19:02,940 because there's going to be stressful moments throughout 517 00:19:02,940 --> 00:19:04,880 the day multitudes of times. 518 00:19:05,180 --> 00:19:07,440 How do you see therapists interact with therapists? 519 00:19:07,694 --> 00:19:09,634 How do you see therapists interact with texts 520 00:19:09,934 --> 00:19:12,174 in the front office and vice versa because 521 00:19:12,174 --> 00:19:13,775 that will tell you the culture of that 522 00:19:13,775 --> 00:19:16,174 clinic and how close they are and the 523 00:19:16,174 --> 00:19:17,474 dynamics of such 524 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:19,759 and let's be quite frank, like do you 525 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:21,440 want to work with a team that can 526 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,220 handle those situations when they arise 527 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:25,700 or a team that it's gonna be fractioned 528 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:27,875 and nobody talks when there's stressful moments. 529 00:19:28,734 --> 00:19:30,734 I also think too, do you work in 530 00:19:30,734 --> 00:19:33,215 a silo as a therapist and a tech 531 00:19:33,215 --> 00:19:35,055 on your own, or do you work together 532 00:19:35,055 --> 00:19:36,549 as your team? Are you constantly 533 00:19:37,250 --> 00:19:39,570 dialoguing about different patients? Am I talking to 534 00:19:39,570 --> 00:19:41,570 Anthony's patients or just my patients? What does 535 00:19:41,570 --> 00:19:42,789 that look the whole 536 00:19:43,394 --> 00:19:45,954 vibe of the clinic versus just me, my 537 00:19:45,954 --> 00:19:47,095 student, and my patients? 538 00:19:47,394 --> 00:19:48,914 Yeah. I mean, I think that too, like, 539 00:19:48,914 --> 00:19:50,134 when I've walked into 540 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,960 various clinics and there's moments where I'll joke 541 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,640 with them where, you know, you walk in 542 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,080 and it just kind of feels off and 543 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,460 you and you'll see a therapist 544 00:19:57,944 --> 00:19:59,704 over on a table with someone someone out 545 00:19:59,704 --> 00:20:01,545 on the floor and there's not much engagement 546 00:20:01,545 --> 00:20:03,164 and it's like, but then once that occurs, 547 00:20:03,545 --> 00:20:05,440 that's fun. You're learning with each other. I 548 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,200 always say it's like a big party, everybody 549 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,339 getting better together 550 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,740 when you're having therapists integrated 551 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,799 into the flow with patients. So that's a 552 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:14,865 good point, Jenna. I think too, if you're 553 00:20:14,865 --> 00:20:15,365 seeing 554 00:20:15,825 --> 00:20:18,545 patients interacting with other patients, that's what, like, 555 00:20:18,545 --> 00:20:20,305 really builds the vibe. Because people are, like, 556 00:20:20,305 --> 00:20:21,105 having a good time. 557 00:20:21,769 --> 00:20:23,450 And it's not just my patients with my 558 00:20:23,450 --> 00:20:25,369 patients, it's my patients with my colleagues' patients. 559 00:20:25,369 --> 00:20:27,369 And everyone's just here to, you know, have 560 00:20:27,369 --> 00:20:28,654 a good time, but get better. 561 00:20:29,215 --> 00:20:30,115 Yeah. I think, 562 00:20:30,494 --> 00:20:31,934 you know, I'm trying to think back to 563 00:20:31,934 --> 00:20:33,535 when I was a student, which is a 564 00:20:33,535 --> 00:20:34,914 long time ago. But 565 00:20:35,695 --> 00:20:37,349 Yeah. You're old. Yeah. Thanks. Hey. You're only 566 00:20:37,349 --> 00:20:38,890 1 you're younger than me, so careful. 567 00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:43,690 Walking into a clinic, 568 00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:44,950 just 569 00:20:46,164 --> 00:20:47,924 even if you've walked into that clinic as 570 00:20:47,924 --> 00:20:50,025 a student and you're on your 5th week, 571 00:20:50,565 --> 00:20:52,505 try and walk in with a fresh approach. 572 00:20:53,179 --> 00:20:55,259 You know, on the the first day back 573 00:20:55,259 --> 00:20:57,099 on week 5, walk through and be like, 574 00:20:57,099 --> 00:20:57,599 okay, 575 00:20:57,980 --> 00:20:59,659 I really want to get a sense of 576 00:20:59,659 --> 00:21:02,059 what I what a patient experiences when they 577 00:21:02,059 --> 00:21:04,545 walk in here. What's the energy at the 578 00:21:04,545 --> 00:21:05,285 front desk? 579 00:21:05,744 --> 00:21:07,505 Am I greeted when I walk through the 580 00:21:07,505 --> 00:21:08,325 front door 581 00:21:08,944 --> 00:21:10,884 by the front office staff? 582 00:21:11,679 --> 00:21:13,220 Am I greeted by 583 00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:15,519 the patients who are in there? Are they 584 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:16,019 smiling? 585 00:21:16,399 --> 00:21:17,379 Are they sweating? 586 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,315 Are they working hard? Or are they just 587 00:21:21,315 --> 00:21:23,634 kinda gone through the motions, and they're they 588 00:21:23,634 --> 00:21:25,475 look like they don't enjoy being there? Because 589 00:21:25,475 --> 00:21:27,075 if they don't enjoy being there, maybe the 590 00:21:27,075 --> 00:21:29,380 staff doesn't enjoy being there. And so I 591 00:21:29,380 --> 00:21:31,859 think that's that that's something that I did 592 00:21:31,859 --> 00:21:33,779 a couple times on clinical rotations on my 593 00:21:33,779 --> 00:21:36,200 longer longer rotations was like, 594 00:21:36,894 --> 00:21:38,494 Man, I walk in the front door, and 595 00:21:38,494 --> 00:21:39,795 I'm greeted with a smile. 596 00:21:41,215 --> 00:21:42,195 And the 597 00:21:42,575 --> 00:21:44,690 professional staff is excited to see me. 598 00:21:45,169 --> 00:21:46,309 That says a lot, 599 00:21:47,730 --> 00:21:50,129 not only as a student, but also when 600 00:21:50,129 --> 00:21:52,644 you become a licensed professional and these, you 601 00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:54,484 know, we are now your colleagues and vice 602 00:21:54,484 --> 00:21:56,724 versa, like, are you walking into a clinic 603 00:21:56,724 --> 00:21:58,964 where there is people are excited to see 604 00:21:58,964 --> 00:22:00,884 you. They're happy that you're at work. You're 605 00:22:00,884 --> 00:22:02,889 happy that you're at work. It's not like, 606 00:22:03,690 --> 00:22:05,629 crap. Right? It's it's that 607 00:22:05,929 --> 00:22:07,950 you can almost feel the energy 608 00:22:09,264 --> 00:22:11,264 positively or negatively right when you walk through 609 00:22:11,264 --> 00:22:12,384 the front door. And a lot of it 610 00:22:12,384 --> 00:22:14,625 comes down to, are they smiling? What's the 611 00:22:14,625 --> 00:22:16,144 energy of the patients? No different than what 612 00:22:16,144 --> 00:22:18,724 Jenna mentioned of, do patients know patients? 613 00:22:19,410 --> 00:22:21,250 Does do I know Jenna's patients? Do I 614 00:22:21,250 --> 00:22:23,590 know Anthony's patients? Do they know my patients? 615 00:22:24,049 --> 00:22:26,850 Be really keenly aware of that as a 616 00:22:26,850 --> 00:22:28,789 student because it will tell you 617 00:22:29,475 --> 00:22:32,375 so much, not only about your CI 618 00:22:32,755 --> 00:22:34,914 in the clinic, but to potentially the entire 619 00:22:34,914 --> 00:22:37,315 company, whether they have one clinic or they 620 00:22:37,315 --> 00:22:37,815 have 621 00:22:38,869 --> 00:22:39,690 625 clinics. 622 00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:42,150 Yeah. I mean, it should be like cheers. 623 00:22:42,150 --> 00:22:43,910 Like, everybody knows your name. Right? You walk 624 00:22:43,910 --> 00:22:46,134 in and everybody's excited. And I would always 625 00:22:46,134 --> 00:22:48,214 tell students it's like joking to your point. 626 00:22:48,214 --> 00:22:50,214 Like, yeah, when my alarm goes off some 627 00:22:50,214 --> 00:22:51,974 mornings, do I wish that I didn't have 628 00:22:51,974 --> 00:22:53,815 to get out of bed? But the moment 629 00:22:53,815 --> 00:22:55,960 that I walk through that door, gosh, like, 630 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,440 I'm so excited to be around my colleagues 631 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,599 and with these patients just because we're having 632 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:01,500 such a dynamic, 633 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:03,740 you know, engaging 634 00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:05,464 environment with each other. 635 00:23:06,345 --> 00:23:08,984 Another thing I would suggest that students look 636 00:23:08,984 --> 00:23:11,164 at, and it was kind of mentioned, but 637 00:23:12,730 --> 00:23:15,630 are there conversations that stimulate thought? 638 00:23:16,649 --> 00:23:17,149 Because 639 00:23:17,929 --> 00:23:20,169 one of the things I really look for 640 00:23:20,169 --> 00:23:20,669 in 641 00:23:21,164 --> 00:23:23,244 in students, even though I'm I'm talking from 642 00:23:23,244 --> 00:23:25,424 a from a student perspective, but 643 00:23:25,724 --> 00:23:28,765 is, are there conversations that make me or 644 00:23:28,765 --> 00:23:30,944 make my student clinically think? 645 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,039 Because if you're in an environment where they 646 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:37,840 aren't asking thought provoking questions and they aren't 647 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:38,340 stimulating 648 00:23:39,765 --> 00:23:40,265 professional 649 00:23:40,965 --> 00:23:41,465 advancement 650 00:23:41,845 --> 00:23:42,345 on 651 00:23:43,125 --> 00:23:43,865 a informal 652 00:23:44,325 --> 00:23:47,525 opportunity, meaning it's not a lunch hour dedicated 653 00:23:47,525 --> 00:23:49,690 to Anthony given an in service service or 654 00:23:49,690 --> 00:23:50,669 Jenna teaching us about, you know, a joint 655 00:23:52,009 --> 00:23:52,578 mobilization or an exercise or something along those 656 00:23:52,578 --> 00:23:53,559 lines. Like, it's an 657 00:23:57,335 --> 00:23:57,835 informal 658 00:23:58,214 --> 00:23:58,714 impromptu 659 00:23:59,335 --> 00:23:59,835 clinical 660 00:24:00,535 --> 00:24:01,035 discussion, 661 00:24:02,535 --> 00:24:04,554 that might be something that's like, wait. 662 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,920 Is that something that's really happening? Are they 663 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,380 evidence informed practitioners? 664 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,640 Are they thinking about why they're doing that, 665 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,164 why they're going along that exercise progression, 666 00:24:15,545 --> 00:24:16,045 or 667 00:24:16,424 --> 00:24:18,924 why that manual therapy technique did not 668 00:24:19,384 --> 00:24:21,644 provide the desired result that they anticipated? 669 00:24:22,339 --> 00:24:23,859 So that's something else that I would in 670 00:24:24,019 --> 00:24:27,480 really encourage students to be keenly aware of. 671 00:24:28,099 --> 00:24:31,079 And too, for your CI to not be 672 00:24:31,804 --> 00:24:33,325 too I don't know if proud is the 673 00:24:33,325 --> 00:24:34,304 right word, but 674 00:24:34,684 --> 00:24:37,244 to not humble enough to ask for advice 675 00:24:37,244 --> 00:24:39,244 of another therapist, not ask for help when 676 00:24:39,244 --> 00:24:40,545 they're unsure about something. 677 00:24:41,309 --> 00:24:42,710 I mean, I feel like that happens all 678 00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:44,109 the time in our clinic where someone double 679 00:24:44,109 --> 00:24:45,950 checks a special test, or, hey, what do 680 00:24:45,950 --> 00:24:47,710 you think of this end feel? Or how 681 00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:49,549 else can I progress their exercises? I'm in 682 00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:51,544 a rut here. All of those little things 683 00:24:51,544 --> 00:24:53,304 that happen throughout the day that make you 684 00:24:53,304 --> 00:24:55,625 better, which then make your patients better. Yeah. 685 00:24:55,625 --> 00:24:57,144 I mean, a 100%. One of the things 686 00:24:57,144 --> 00:24:59,544 that, like, I would always, use as an 687 00:24:59,544 --> 00:25:00,044 example, 688 00:25:00,809 --> 00:25:02,490 10 years out, and we have a therapist 689 00:25:02,490 --> 00:25:04,829 at Awataki, Eric Brown, shout out that 690 00:25:05,130 --> 00:25:07,934 lateral shifts kick my butt. And it's like, 691 00:25:07,934 --> 00:25:09,535 I don't know what it is about them, 692 00:25:09,535 --> 00:25:11,375 but I just get a brain frog during 693 00:25:11,375 --> 00:25:13,375 the eval and then I'm like, how do 694 00:25:13,375 --> 00:25:14,654 I set up a plan of care for 695 00:25:14,654 --> 00:25:16,194 this and I go to Eric 696 00:25:16,619 --> 00:25:18,700 every single time, and it's like, you know, 697 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:20,779 just because quote, unquote, the 10 years versus 698 00:25:20,779 --> 00:25:23,119 the 5 years, but that's something he's so 699 00:25:23,179 --> 00:25:25,545 skilled at. And I think, like, the vulnerability, 700 00:25:25,684 --> 00:25:27,285 like, to your point, like, saying, you know, 701 00:25:27,285 --> 00:25:29,285 you wanna see our therapist not too proud 702 00:25:29,285 --> 00:25:30,805 to go ask for help that I would 703 00:25:30,805 --> 00:25:32,440 always use as an example as far as 704 00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:34,679 our personal, like, dynamic and culture at I 705 00:25:34,679 --> 00:25:37,480 was lucky as far as how we all 706 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,119 operate together to make each other better. I'll 707 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,659 add to that. Student, 708 00:25:42,664 --> 00:25:45,644 be keenly aware if your CI is asking 709 00:25:45,705 --> 00:25:46,205 you 710 00:25:46,904 --> 00:25:48,525 what have they taught you in school? 711 00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:50,799 What the what'd they teach you about the 712 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,759 literature related to a lateral shift? Are there 713 00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:55,839 any special tests that we can do? It's 714 00:25:55,839 --> 00:25:57,599 been a long time since I've been in 715 00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:00,454 that didactic world, And I honestly, shout out 716 00:26:00,454 --> 00:26:01,994 to my last ICE clinical 717 00:26:02,454 --> 00:26:03,434 student, Danielle. 718 00:26:04,214 --> 00:26:06,535 She did a phenomenal job when I asked 719 00:26:06,535 --> 00:26:10,140 her clinical based questions from her didactic program 720 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,680 to be able to bring that information to 721 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,059 me. So, student, 722 00:26:14,904 --> 00:26:17,805 be aware. Is your CI asking you 723 00:26:18,265 --> 00:26:19,325 to help educate 724 00:26:19,785 --> 00:26:20,285 them? 725 00:26:20,664 --> 00:26:22,105 Because, again, I think it goes to the 726 00:26:22,105 --> 00:26:22,605 humility, 727 00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:24,420 and it also goes to the point that, 728 00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:27,080 you know, that you pass your board exam. 729 00:26:27,220 --> 00:26:28,279 You're our colleague. 730 00:26:28,580 --> 00:26:31,299 And so are they already starting to treat 731 00:26:31,299 --> 00:26:32,279 you as 732 00:26:32,755 --> 00:26:33,495 their colleague? 733 00:26:34,835 --> 00:26:37,174 Yeah. A 100% agree with that. Which 734 00:26:37,715 --> 00:26:39,654 is really hard to do sometimes, 735 00:26:40,835 --> 00:26:41,335 but, 736 00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:45,049 really, that's part of being an adult learner 737 00:26:45,049 --> 00:26:47,369 as a CI. And what's gonna help our 738 00:26:47,369 --> 00:26:50,795 profession get better is realizing things that Jenna 739 00:26:50,795 --> 00:26:52,234 and I were taught and Anthony were taught 740 00:26:52,234 --> 00:26:54,335 in PT school are now outdated. 741 00:26:55,755 --> 00:26:57,275 It's been a hot minute since we've been 742 00:26:57,275 --> 00:26:59,295 in the the the academic world. 743 00:26:59,619 --> 00:27:01,460 And to be honest, we can't always read 744 00:27:01,460 --> 00:27:02,600 the most current literature, 745 00:27:03,059 --> 00:27:04,820 but students may be getting that and be 746 00:27:04,820 --> 00:27:06,500 able may be able to provide an article 747 00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:08,039 that was published in 2023 748 00:27:08,954 --> 00:27:10,634 that I hadn't seen. And they're like, here. 749 00:27:10,634 --> 00:27:12,315 Here it is. This is why we should 750 00:27:12,315 --> 00:27:14,174 be doing it this way. Awesome. 751 00:27:14,714 --> 00:27:16,315 Another shout out to one of my students, 752 00:27:16,315 --> 00:27:19,000 Josh Davis. TriStar Strength and Rehab out in 753 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,599 the middle of nowhere in Tennessee. Yeah. It 754 00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:21,980 is really in the middle of nowhere. 755 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,759 But he brought principles of strength training with 756 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,595 my geriatric patients, and he wasn't afraid to 757 00:27:27,595 --> 00:27:30,154 put a 20, 30, 50, 80 pound load 758 00:27:30,154 --> 00:27:32,075 in their body because he knew what the 759 00:27:32,075 --> 00:27:34,474 literature stated. And now that's a regular part 760 00:27:34,474 --> 00:27:36,470 of my program. So if it wasn't for 761 00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:38,549 him, I wouldn't be doing it. Alright. So 762 00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:41,590 we're gonna kind of wrap up both components. 763 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:42,490 So the perspective 764 00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:43,610 of 765 00:27:45,404 --> 00:27:46,944 us as CI's 766 00:27:47,325 --> 00:27:48,784 clinic directors, CCCE, 767 00:27:49,484 --> 00:27:51,825 and perspective from a student 768 00:27:52,204 --> 00:27:54,304 going preparing to go to a clinical rotations. 769 00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:55,049 Anthony, 770 00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:57,669 give us your final thoughts first. Yeah. So 771 00:27:57,669 --> 00:28:00,230 I would say my final thought on the 772 00:28:00,230 --> 00:28:01,849 student perspective is 773 00:28:02,424 --> 00:28:05,224 when you're observing truly, do they believe in 774 00:28:05,224 --> 00:28:06,825 what they're doing, and do they believe in 775 00:28:06,825 --> 00:28:08,605 each other? And it seems so simple, 776 00:28:08,984 --> 00:28:11,220 but if they have that high level engagement 777 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,180 in each other, 778 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,519 most likely it's gonna be an actual an 779 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:16,660 excellent cultural 780 00:28:17,505 --> 00:28:18,404 group of individuals 781 00:28:18,784 --> 00:28:21,444 that are really looking to build something special. 782 00:28:22,464 --> 00:28:25,009 And I would say students, you're being see 783 00:28:29,457 --> 00:28:29,957 myself 784 00:28:34,404 --> 00:28:36,025 see myself being after I graduate? 785 00:28:36,724 --> 00:28:39,605 I think that's those are both really important 786 00:28:39,605 --> 00:28:40,105 components, 787 00:28:41,125 --> 00:28:42,664 both from both perspectives, 788 00:28:43,230 --> 00:28:46,509 from us as CIs of looking at the 789 00:28:46,509 --> 00:28:48,909 student of how well are we engaging with 790 00:28:48,909 --> 00:28:51,329 each other. Are we doing this genuinely? 791 00:28:51,630 --> 00:28:54,444 Does it come across genuinely? Because our students 792 00:28:54,444 --> 00:28:56,704 gonna be paying attention to what we are 793 00:28:56,924 --> 00:28:58,384 doing and how we are interacting. 794 00:28:58,765 --> 00:29:00,544 And on the flip side, students, 795 00:29:01,169 --> 00:29:02,929 as if if I put my student hat 796 00:29:02,929 --> 00:29:05,329 on, I wanna be looking, is this some 797 00:29:05,329 --> 00:29:06,950 place I could see myself 798 00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:08,950 dedicating 799 00:29:09,730 --> 00:29:10,230 years 800 00:29:11,494 --> 00:29:12,634 to working there 801 00:29:13,015 --> 00:29:14,634 and serving this community 802 00:29:15,174 --> 00:29:17,115 and progressing our profession 803 00:29:17,974 --> 00:29:18,474 to 804 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,480 showcase the unique skill set that us as 805 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,019 physical therapists have. 806 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:26,059 Alright. Well, 807 00:29:26,914 --> 00:29:30,115 thank you, Jenna, for your first podcast. Thanks, 808 00:29:30,115 --> 00:29:31,795 Dan. And I know you don't love being 809 00:29:31,795 --> 00:29:33,734 on video, so thank goodness it's a podcast. 810 00:29:33,875 --> 00:29:34,375 Perfect. 811 00:29:35,420 --> 00:29:36,940 That's why I'm on a podcast. I have 812 00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:39,259 a face for podcasting. Anthony, thank you for 813 00:29:39,259 --> 00:29:41,740 number 2 podcast. We look forward to having 814 00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:44,294 you back for more. 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