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Welcome to the Knife Junkie Podcast. Your weekly dose of knife

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news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your

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host, Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco.

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Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast. I'm Bob DeMarco. On this

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edition of the show, I'm speaking with my friend Tomas. Alas, of the

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Tactical Tavern. Tomas is a knife tube and

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masterful demonstrations of his martial arts prowess,

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Tomas has galvanized a broad sector of the online knife

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enthusiast community and has helped steer the conversation towards better

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gear and training. Another run of his collaboration with

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TKEL Knives is about to drop, so I can't wait to talk about

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Tomas, always a pleasure sir. Thanks for coming back on the show.

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Thank you so much for having me. I am beyond excited and I know my

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family's watching. So. Hello family. Wherever you're watching from. Hello

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family. It's, it's awesome. You raised an awesome guy.

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Tomas is the best and we love him dearly.

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Tomas, welcome to the show. Let's. Let's get,

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let's start right with the brass tacks. Let's, let's talk about the agent

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007 because as we record this, it's about to drop.

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Like next week. It is, it's coming out. So we're

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excited, we're trying something new. So based on feedback,

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I really wanted to experiment with the steel. So we're having a limited run

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of S35VN come out on the

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ontos. And in addition to that, again, kind of

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limited, we're going to do some pre orders on the ADCR V2s.

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But to me, something that really is special is

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the Samurai Wrap editions from Bastinelli

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Growing up in knives, I've always admired Bastinelli's work, his

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lines. And he was generous enough to work with us

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on these samurai wrap 007s. I mean just.

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Oh man. Positively beautiful. Let me just interrupt you real quick and

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say that I saw that this was a new wrap. You've had

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auxiliary manufacturing. Mike Jarvis, he does beautiful work too.

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I saw this one and I have a maroon wrapped

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diagnostic, not diagnostic anomaly from,

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from Bastion. And I was like, what? Who did this? Like I knew

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it wasn't Mike Jarvis's. It's just a different style.

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Nice. Nice to, to bag Bastinelli here.

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Incredible. So I love Jarvis's work because it's a flat wrap, it's a little

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untraditional, but it's beautiful because it's so slim. So if you want something ultra

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concealed carrying, that's the one to go to. With the genuine race skin,

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this is kind of the inverse of that where it has that traction on the

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inside, but it has that traditional, traditional wrap and

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your fingers just melt. No matter if they're big,

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small, however you hold it, this thing just. Oh, the

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snap cuts on this. Unbelievable. So

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beautiful. Very limited. November 21st,

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that's the date that they're going live. So November 21st of this

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November. Okay. That's a Friday I believe, right?

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Yes. On tkownives.com some people were like, well they're gonna be on Bastion

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site. No, no TKL knives. They're coming at you, coming in hot.

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Very cool. Well, so not only do you have

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the Bastinelli Tsukamaki wrap on this and by the way, he

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does a mean Tsukamaki wrap and, and I'm a big fan of that

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because as you were mentioning, it's either your

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fingers or the fat of your palm. They're, they're always sinking into

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one of those valleys, you know, and it's just such a great grip.

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It is. You understand why it's been used for centuries with the samurai

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because it's like no matter how you grip it, there's traction points all

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throughout and it accommodates any grip that you go into.

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The other thing is he does an epoxy seal on this. So it's not

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like, oh, if I get, you know, organic materials on it, is it going to

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corrode? No, you just like brush it off because it's just sealed

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perfectly. So they're beautiful. Custom leather sheath.

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That's been my everyday carry since the moment I got it. Stunning. Nice.

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So as a, as a brother of the Agent series,

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I recently got my new Agent 001s, which

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recently went up with the Battle lock scales. And I have.

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I've. This is my first time experiencing the battle lock. And then I got a

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whole bunch of knives from him with. With Battle Lock. I love

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that frn. And I never thought I'd say that. Oh, man.

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I know some people love it. And some people are like, that's so aggressive. And

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in my videos, I jokingly tell them, I'm like, well, then you need to work

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out your hands some more. But,

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yeah, it's offensive. I'm like, all right, Joe, it's a joke. But what I told

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people is if it's too aggressive for you, you can just take some sandpaper and

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sand it off just a little bit if you want to wear it appendix

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close to your body. That way it's not going to, you know, create any weird

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red spots that you have to explain later. Yeah.

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And also the. The beauty of the Battle Lock is the color

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saturation is intense. I never thought

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desert tan or olive drab could look so vivid.

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It does. And. And it really does an incredible job at locking your hands into.

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It feels like ray skin. It's like synthetic ray skin, in my opinion.

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Beautiful. Yeah. Well done. All right, so before we move on from the

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007, tell me, tell us all a little bit about what

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you were thinking about for the design going into this. That

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very aggressive and slender Tonto.

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It's beautiful to the eye, but tell us about the functionality of it.

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Yes, sir. So first off, we have. There would be no agent series

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without Bob DiMarco. So thank you to you and Tkel for

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working on basically the frame of it. Right.

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And he approached me with a Tanto. He goes, hey, would you be interested in

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doing something? I go, we need to do a Tanto. There has to be a

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Tanto series. But all the other ones, like, full credit to Lynn

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Thompson. He's popularized the Americanized tanto. Right. With a very

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obtuse Yokote. I wanted something very key,

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and there's multiple thoughts that went into this. First off, I love the idea of

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an everyday carry scalpel. Not 90% of the time, you're not

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going to be slinging around and taking out bad guys, although maybe some of you

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guys will be doing that. But I love the functionality of such a

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detailed cutting tip. I think when you go to an everyday carry knife,

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majority of your work has to do with that first third of your knife

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majority. Right. Opening a package, opening up a letter. And so

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I measured the angle for myself onto the table and

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that's this angle here. So when you press flat onto a surface,

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that's that angle so you get full contact there. You have that aggressive,

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detailed point for medical work. I'm an Eagle

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Scout, so I've always been fascinated by medical.

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Going into EMT training and I was like, man, if I ever

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have to do like tracheotomy or something or dig out a splinter, I want

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my tool to be sharp enough to be able to do that.

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Additionally, training in original Hirona Screema,

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we have a lot of thrusting or cities and I was like, man,

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if I can have someone that, if I just handed them to it and they

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could be effective with this tool, it's, it's going to do the work for you.

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It requires minimal resistance and yes, you get the

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beautiful pressure cuts of like. A straight edge, but it has a. Slight

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gentle curve to it. So if you're doing any good thing or passing

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strikes, it's going to kind of slice and eat into it.

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So, yeah, all around. Quite a versatile tool.

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Although some people might look at it and think, oh, that's just, that's a tactical

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knife right there. No, it's actually a pretty versatile everyday carry tool,

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if you know how to use it. Yeah, oh, snap. Yeah,

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absolutely. And, and you know, I don't mean to overstate this, but it is

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beautiful to look at too. And, and you know, I call myself

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shallow for noticing that, but it, it is just, it's a beautiful

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knife, man. I'm, I'm a huge fan of the. Design

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of that knife. And you were talking about that first

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third. You've seen the 004, I think

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you might have one, maybe the puukko, a little

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puko. That is like the tip of a knife, right?

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It, it is a, it's another one in the series.

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And, and it has, you know, a very utilitarian point.

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It's, it's under that 3 inch threshold for legality

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purposes. What is the blade length on this one? This

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one's coming in at right about 3.7. 3.7. And I

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wanted that so that way when you extend your finger, you're met with that

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flat part of the blade. So super close up, it actually

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transitions from that slight hollow grind on the top to a

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flat. So when you're doing that extended cutting,

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maybe, you know, your kid asks you to cut out, you know, a flower for

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their art project, you, you don't have scissors, you can get that

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comfortable. Because I hate when you're using a knife, especially for like

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woodworking and it has like all that sharp, like, you know, swedge on there. It's

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not practical. Yeah, so this has that full extinct

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for the majority of people. I mean, I know you got some meat

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hands guys out there with extra, extra large gloves, but. Well, then

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it conceals better. But for a normal

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person, you're going to have just that little bit of tip sticking out

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for your detailed cutting wood. So beautiful and beautiful. I'm

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sorry, go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say, I. Mean, truthfully, yes, of course.

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This is a personal protection tool. With that in mind, I did measure

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the average distance between the rib cage on a, you know, anatomy,

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physiology. So that way even if you did have to plunge it in

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to that target, it would still go in more than likely and split

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them. So we tested it on the ballistic dummy with an A plus.

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Pass. Yeah, that was one of my favorite videos of the season. Yeah, I remember

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that. I think that was the Texas Custom Knife show.

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You went to town on one of those things? Yes, sir. Yeah.

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So no conversation about an agent series or any

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decal knife would be complete without mentioning how.

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I mean, from the very start, Tim and his

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company is outstanding. He's a great guy, his family's awesome.

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But now, now he's got Nick Chuprin and NCC Knives

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doing a lion's share of the machining. And it's

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astounding. And shout out to Tim too for being so

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communicative. I'm sure you experienced it too with this. You're

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double of one. Like any minute changes. He's always listening

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to the, the end user and they're like, hey, man, we'd love to see this

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change or what? He's so on it. And

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Nick, especially on yours, what I really love is this subtle line

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here for that back cut. Now. Oh

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man, he was able to nail it. But, but, but what

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impresses me even more is the. It's

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some of the creature comforts you get out of these. Now. All of

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the chamfering on the, on the corners, on the edges, everything except

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for the main edge, everything has a nice feel to it

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in hand. Whereas the first ones, which were also great. I mean, I'm not.

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Certainly not bad, nothing those. But, you know, things, as they

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progress, they become more refined. If, if you're going in the right

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direction, then this one is really. That it

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doesn't. And I'd like to answer something. I've gotten questions. People are like, well, why

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does it have ridges on there? Like you can, you can hear it. And if

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you think of like a santuku with, like, the dimples on a kitchen knife, it

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relieves that pressure so there's less contact surface area. That's

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exactly what this does on the Agent series with Nick trippin behind

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the machines on there. There's so much less drag that

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even on those more tough materials, fibrous materials,

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it zips right through and you'll. You'll go like, did I even hit it?

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Oh, you went through it. It's just. It's like the Hatanza horde.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's a. That's a really, really good point. It's not. I mean,

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yes, it's. It's pleasing to the eye, but

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it's a lot more than that. There's a purpose behind it. They're not just showing

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that you can. Do it or terrace. It really does have a.

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A use. Exactly. And. And the weight reduction, too. So it

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just has that little bit of handle heaviness to it. So the recovery is so

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much faster. It's quite a deceptive line,

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especially with the milling work. It's.

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It's phenomenal machining. World class, world class. So I

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want to move on a little bit. I mean, I see you doing the.

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The. The moves, the knife moves. Tell us what your martial

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art is, what you've trained, you know, most in, and

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primarily your knife art. Absolutely. So my base is in

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kaji kembo under Professor Rick Williams. So that's a

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mix, if you've not heard of it, it's a mix of karate, judo, jiu jitsu,

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tempo, and Chinese kickboxing all together.

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So I got my black belt in that, which was an incredible

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experience. Very brutal. It's not for everyone.

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You know, there's a motto that we have where you don't go home till there's

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blood on the mat. And I was, you know, training

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that since I was five. So shout out to my family for getting me involved

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in that. And they're like, yeah, this is great. This is character development.

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Maybe that's why I messed up a little bit, I don't know. But it's a.

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It's a beautiful art. It teaches you a lot of respect because, granted, you

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have those skills, but it teaches you how to control those skills and

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deescalate so you never have to use them. And that is a

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true testament to a martial artist. So from there,

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one day, we had a demo. We had, like, a seminar, and

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this, you know, this older Filipino guy comes in, and I'm like, huh?

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The blades are no match for my kung fu. And

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I was like, he goes like, throw something. And I was like, okay. So I

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did like a faint and a kick. And I got cut Bob

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37 times before I. It was just. And

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I went, what is this power you wield? And he goes,

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this is fma. Your kicks are just, you know,

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that's nothing. Your punches, nothing. You go. When you have a knife

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you can slow, it doesn't require that brute. That brute force.

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And that was Grandmaster Michael Heron under the hero

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lineage, specifically largomato. It's a beautiful

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system. It's battle tested from World War II. And

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so that's what I've been training in for about nine years now. Nine years now.

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And graduated the system and recently became a guru because I'm

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teaching. All right, a couple of things here. First of all, I used to do

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my. The first martial art I got really serious in was

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kenpo, American Kenpo karate. And it was a sort of

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unorthodox version of it from a great place. In Philly called

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Marshall Posture. They did their whole take on it. It was great.

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And while I was there, that's when I heard of kaju kembo. And I was

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like, yeah, again, like, what is this witchcraft? But it. But very.

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At the time, anyway, difficult to find on the East Coast. Like, it

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was kind of this magical thing I heard about on the West Coast.

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So you mentioned largo mono. Now, moving on, describe

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what that means. So largo basically meaning like distance,

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long range, hands, you're furthest from the opponent. So we

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have drills where you can, like, measure off. You can't touch each other's

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hands, basically, when you measure off with the sword. And typically you're

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using a longer stick to simulate a sword around, like 36

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inches. Oh, okay. And it. It really teaches you body

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mechanics and the arc principle. When someone

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is striking at you, there's a tip on that arc where they're at

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the furthest point, and it's a diminishing return where it gets slower and

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slower. And we operate within inches and

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angles where you'll consider it a win if it brushes past your

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shirt. And I say it, you mean the sword will brush past your shirt, but

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you can still cleanly cut their neck, head, shoulder, hand

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all day. It's beautiful because it really teaches you

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range management. But the original, her own system has

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a complete curriculum for those quarto

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media ranges where you get closer and closer with the cadita de

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moto. Like a lot of templates that you can use,

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which allows you to play with different systems like serrata,

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you know, even like Winchung. They're kind of like, well, how did you do this?

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You're like, well, I just consider my forearm that outward block. Right.

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Well, now stick pointing up. That's my hand here. Boom. And you're in.

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So it's a complete system and it's blown my mind

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with the complexity of it, but the simplicity of how

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it's delivered took me a while. And the Serrata is

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the exact opposite. That's like real close. They use much shorter sticks.

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You're. You're talking about 36 inch stick sticks. That is.

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That's about 7 inches longer than your standard Kali

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stick. So I mean, that, that is really a.

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I mean, learning to fight out there is a real benefit. You know, you have

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standoff range. It. It is. And it gives you the

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ability to work with a longer sword. But we

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also train with how to use that longer sword in short range,

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which is kind of like. How does that work? Well, there's a lot of like,

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push cuts you can do. I'm getting ready to do some

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seminars, so we'll have to. We'll have to have you out there and maybe even

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do a joint video exploring some of the different Filipino martial arts. Because

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it is beautiful, absolutely beautiful. And allowed me to

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explore training with a variety of different people. Well, by comparison, I

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know how to walk, so you could maybe show me. How to jog, you know,

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like. So for those who don't

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study Filipino martial arts or any martial art,

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but are interested in the applied

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lessons learned, what are some of the attributes from

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Filipino. Let's talk about Filipino martial arts that.

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That apply to life in general or just

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movement or. Or what have you. Absolutely. My

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favorite quote comes from grandmaster Michael Huron, and he goes,

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mma will take you to the ground. FMA

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will put you in the ground. What does

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that mean? Right. And you know, he's gotten flagged for that.

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I think it's really about respecting life. At the end of the day, it's

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knowing that you have these skills to protect your

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loved ones, your wife, your daughter, your family.

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Granted, it's so cool. You can go, blah, blah, blah. I can go cut up

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all this stuff. That's awesome. But you can also use a flashlight, you can use

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an impact device because you know how to make whatever you can

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grab lethal. And I think the beautiful benefit about SMA

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is that there's a lot of patterns that you can use,

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and it's that same movement that you can do with a variety of things. It

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doesn't just have to be a knife or a sword. Um, I

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was recently training with James Keating and he weaponized the bandana.

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Yeah, okay. And took me out with a bandana and I was

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wrapped up like a spider had me wrapped up in their web. It was nuts.

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So I love the traditional martial arts, the

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Kenpo, the Taekwondo. I think FMA gives

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you the ability to flow with that and bridge the gap

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between how you implement those bases.

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It's a. It's a very lethal system. I think there's a great

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interplay between self perfection and self preservation

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in Filipino martial arts as well, because you learn a lot of great

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drills that teach you a lot of great attributes like

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distance management and speed and

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accuracy and all these things. And they come into play.

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Those attributes come into play in actual self preservation. But in the

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meantime, you have these drills that perfect your movement and,

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and those attributes. I think it's a nice. I'm sure most martial

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arts have that. But in Filipino martial arts, where

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the stakes are so high, if you're actually using a blade,

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it really gets across, that development of those attributes.

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I think you said it extremely well because you have a stick.

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We'll take a stick, for example, going 90 miles an

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hour, coming at you, a delivery. Most punches

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are not going to go that fast, so it will literally slow down

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as you're conceptualizing it. And you have that line familiarization.

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Not to. Kelly Warden talks about that, those drills, that line

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familiarization. I didn't understand it at first and now I get it. I'm

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like, oh, yeah, that's an angle one, boom. Outside, block, break, hit

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versus you're, you're just. You're there when you're boxing. Right. And it's like you're

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used to that same speed. That stick is moving 10 times faster,

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so you better get the heck out of the way. So it really enhances your

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capabilities for sure. Otherwise you, you have big

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booze on the side of your sticks. Yeah. And sometimes you hit yourself with

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the stick. That's happened to me so many times. Bang. Hit yourself.

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Yeah. The whole world here.

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Yeah. So you just mentioned master at arms James

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Keating. Tell us about. Well, tell us all about it. How

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did you get. How did you get involved in. In his world?

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Yeah. I mean, what a blessing. So he, he actually commented on one

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of my videos, one of my YouTube videos. And I went, I've heard this name

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before. My instructor, one of my instructors, Brian Everett,

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who got me really introduced with Oge, was like, you really

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gotta come. He talks, he's just like masculine. Six, five,

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cowboy. Really gotta come check them out. And I'm like, yes, sir.

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Like, I'll book the plane ticket. I'm on the way. Um, so I went to

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one of his seminars and I was just blown away by

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master arm James Keating. His skill level and

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proficiency with movement, the only thing I can describe it

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is like learning sword and knife fighting is equivalent to

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learning music from Mozart. It is

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incredible the way that he moves. It's like the win.

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And he's like in his 70s. Okay. And I wouldn't want to fight him. Right.

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I mean he tagged me multiple times. He

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incorporates many different skill sets from many different arts

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and codifies them. And I think that's really what makes it

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so exceptional is that he's not relying on just this is the system that I

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know. No, he takes from everything and adapts it to

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you as an individual and really just highlights your strengths and

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then fixes your weaknesses. And he's like, here's, here's how we can fix that.

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Thanks. So he first came on my radar with

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as a Bowie knife fighter. I know that, I know that that is just

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a tool and a skill set in his giant box.

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But, but tell me about his

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where this comes from. The study of the Bowie knife, it that

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Americana. There's a lot of history with the Bowie knife

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and it dates back a long time, but it is truly America's blade shape.

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And I really can't thank him enough for the abc,

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the American Blade Craft System. And he, he really

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pioneered blade fighting in like the early 90s when no one

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was really 80s 90s writing for tactical Knives

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Knife magazine. And I think that like back then

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those magazines were what we do now with the you videos,

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you know, and, and, and he has DVDs out there. But I

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think he was really ahead of his time by

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brandishing these skill sets that no one else was really talking about

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and putting together a system where people could train those back cuts, those.

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That, that saber fighting style in a 13 inch

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Bowie knife. It's exceptional. So, okay,

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I mentioned back cuts a lot. I'm a, I'm a Bowie knife fanatic. And I

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say Bowie. I'm from up north. I'm a Yank. So that's how I say it.

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But tell us, show us what a.

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That's a Bobby Reigns, right? Yeah. Very good. Yeah. This is a trainer

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that he gifted me. So shout out Bobby Reigns. I have a custom coming from

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him that I'm beyond excited about. So the back cut

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refers. So we have the primary edge. Right. Typically has some curve to it

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because it adapted from Saber Fighting you know, calvary, sabers.

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But then on the top here we have this kind of clip point that is

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most often sharpened, at least in my opinion. Should be sharpened.

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Yes. Not razor, razor sharp, because you want it to

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really rip and tear in the most brutal and beautiful way.

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So the back cut is not utilizing the primary edge

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like a snap cut. It's inverting it here

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so you have almost like a pacal shape with like,

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if you think, I mean, I know this isn't a pecan you must throw, it's

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a crab. It. I got it. But you really have that bite.

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When this will slide on a cut, the tip of this will

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dig and it will fillet and rip open

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your target like nothing else. Plus you also have the weight behind

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it. So that back cut is very deceptive, especially when you come in to

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the blind spots. Um, it is a very fast,

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quick tool for disabilated attackers. So

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when I think of the back cut, I

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think of a Floretti or a Redondo. It's. It's kind of in the

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same family, but maybe the opposite approach. Um, and,

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and I know a lot of people, when they see Redondo's or Florettis, they think

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it's just that, a flourish, but it's not. There's an actual

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purpose behind it. So how important is the

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back cut to this sort of American knife fighting? That's

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beautiful that you asked that, because I'm currently working on a documentary

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of bastard arms, James Keating. And I asked him

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something very similar and he goes, well, let's find out.

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He's very deep, bravado, voice. And so he goes,

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I'm not gonna back cut the entire time. I'm gonna fight someone.

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I'm going to set it up with a fake cut through, and it's right

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there when you need it. And I'm like, oh, that makes sense. Because if you

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keep going back cuts, back cuts. Well, now you're exposing yourself, you're giving flame.

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You don't want to do that. Yeah. So it's right here when you need it,

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and it'll set you up. I consider it like a tool in the toolbox. It's

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good to know. And if you can perfect it, it's going to be your

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best friend. So how much of your

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Filipino knife fighting knowledge came into

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play with learning this American

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blade combatives? You know, I think it really

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enhanced both sides. I came in with some general understanding

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of lines and, and blade movement, because in

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Filipino martial arts, we have the Abenico, right. Which is the fan fanning

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motion. But it's not so much a fan as it

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is an extension of your body.

448
00:27:53.220 --> 00:27:56.900
So I will say that having some Filipino martial arts background helped,

449
00:27:56.900 --> 00:28:00.620
but it's not necessary. I could teach anyone how to do a

450
00:28:00.620 --> 00:28:04.460
back cut in less than, you know, five minutes. And Keating talks about this. He

451
00:28:04.460 --> 00:28:08.300
goes, these are tribal principles that if you're going into war, we're

452
00:28:08.300 --> 00:28:12.060
doing bare minimum basic training so you can come back the next day and get

453
00:28:12.060 --> 00:28:15.100
the next lesson. And that's really what that backhead is. It's going to be an

454
00:28:15.100 --> 00:28:17.940
effective, a dominant way to win a fight.

455
00:28:18.840 --> 00:28:22.200
Come back tomorrow for the next lesson. We're going to cover something else then. So.

456
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.120
So I also have a fascination with the use of the, of the

457
00:28:26.120 --> 00:28:29.680
swedge as the primary edge. The primary

458
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.760
fighting edge. I've heard it called Mountain Man.

459
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.760
Yeah, I've, I've heard it called the Randall fighting method. I know the Randall knives.

460
00:28:37.760 --> 00:28:41.480
In World War II, they were kind. Of taught to use the swedge as. The

461
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:45.160
primary edge and do the old. Heave ho once you have it in there.

462
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.080
Did you get any, any lessons on that? Any

463
00:28:49.080 --> 00:28:52.800
familiarity with that? Absolutely. So if you have your

464
00:28:52.800 --> 00:28:56.560
freshly sharpened edge here, you definitely don't want to be clacking that

465
00:28:56.560 --> 00:29:00.400
into a helmet or someone's, you know, gauntlet if they're wearing

466
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.960
armor or a barrel of a rifle. However, the back

467
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.480
edge of this blade is going to be a big, heavy, sharp,

468
00:29:07.560 --> 00:29:10.860
excuse me, non sharp chunk of steel, which is going to be great for

469
00:29:10.860 --> 00:29:14.580
parrying, except you have that top third that sharpen. So if you have

470
00:29:14.580 --> 00:29:17.660
that incoming attack, you can parry it and then hit.

471
00:29:18.380 --> 00:29:22.020
However, if you fight with the primary edge, it still gives you that ability to

472
00:29:22.020 --> 00:29:25.699
do those pulling cuts and then you can lacerate on the

473
00:29:25.699 --> 00:29:29.500
way out. So personally, I like the edge down method because

474
00:29:29.500 --> 00:29:32.220
it allows you to flip out and get out of the way of those incoming

475
00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:36.020
attacks like this. But that's not to say that maybe

476
00:29:36.020 --> 00:29:39.450
you pick up your weapon in a, in the heat of the battle or you're

477
00:29:39.450 --> 00:29:42.730
caught off guard. Yeah. You do like a roof block and you don't want to

478
00:29:42.730 --> 00:29:46.330
chip your blade. Yeah. Then you can crash down with the back edge. So I

479
00:29:46.330 --> 00:29:49.890
think if you practice with it, when that moment

480
00:29:49.890 --> 00:29:53.090
happens, you're gonna know exactly what to do. You're just gonna go into a flow.

481
00:29:53.090 --> 00:29:56.770
It's not gonna matter. Oh, wait, excuse me, sir. Can you reverse that attack?

482
00:29:56.770 --> 00:30:00.530
I have to actually reorient my blade. Thank you. It's like the old Jim

483
00:30:00.530 --> 00:30:04.070
Carrey bit no, attack me like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you would. This

484
00:30:04.070 --> 00:30:07.710
side. Okay. Thank you. Cool, Here we go. So I think it's just again, tools

485
00:30:07.710 --> 00:30:11.390
in your toolbox and getting familiar with your tools, which is why I play

486
00:30:11.390 --> 00:30:14.750
with knives so often, because no matter how I pick it up,

487
00:30:15.070 --> 00:30:18.830
I'm going to be ready to go. Yeah. So any indication

488
00:30:18.910 --> 00:30:22.590
from James Keating or from you yourself, from your, your study

489
00:30:22.590 --> 00:30:25.870
of, of Bowie knives? There are, there are a lot of different

490
00:30:26.510 --> 00:30:30.240
styles of Bowie in terms of their profile. What you

491
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.800
have there, that Bobby Rains Rainmaker or the Hell's

492
00:30:33.800 --> 00:30:37.640
Bells Bowie, for instance, long slender fighting Bowies with a

493
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.480
fully sharpened clip. That seems to be a great recipe for

494
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.200
a knife fighting knife. But look at that. Two

495
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.840
of them, two of my favorite design. But

496
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:53.480
what about other styles of Bowie? What, what about

497
00:30:55.410 --> 00:30:58.930
something more broad? I mean, can all of these be. Used, in other words?

498
00:30:59.570 --> 00:31:03.290
So one of my. If someone asked me, like, what's the deadliest knife

499
00:31:03.290 --> 00:31:07.050
you own? Without a doubt it would be this one. And

500
00:31:07.050 --> 00:31:10.810
this is the CRADA from James ke and it

501
00:31:10.810 --> 00:31:14.130
is a more spear point esque, driven,

502
00:31:14.850 --> 00:31:18.330
designed on purpose. So that way when you aim it at someone, it

503
00:31:18.330 --> 00:31:21.650
disappears. The depth perception disappears. You don't know how long.

504
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.280
Yeah, that is. So I would say that

505
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:29.720
the buoy comes from classic chef's knives and farm

506
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:33.560
working tools that adapted into a more combat driven,

507
00:31:33.560 --> 00:31:37.400
thicker style. But this is more of what I would consider an

508
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.120
Arkansas toothpick style brewing a little bit more symmetrical, if you

509
00:31:41.120 --> 00:31:44.920
will. And then we have that deep Spanish notch here

510
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:47.920
and guard with a sharpened back.

511
00:31:49.290 --> 00:31:53.010
So characteristics of a buoy, I think. Yes, you can have

512
00:31:53.010 --> 00:31:55.770
those traditional clip points, you can have it be

513
00:31:56.970 --> 00:32:00.090
spear point, Arkansas style. But

514
00:32:00.250 --> 00:32:04.010
realistically, there's nothing new on the Busan. Everything's been

515
00:32:04.010 --> 00:32:07.530
done. You look at European swords, this could be a European mini rapier, right?

516
00:32:07.530 --> 00:32:10.730
Yeah. But realistically I think it's how you apply it.

517
00:32:11.130 --> 00:32:14.850
And if it wins the fight, then I'll call it whatever you want to call

518
00:32:14.850 --> 00:32:18.420
it. Yeah, that. Okay, so this knife is gorgeous. We

519
00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:22.100
recently had Jeff Schaefer on the show. He, he makes

520
00:32:22.100 --> 00:32:25.340
these for, for Mr. Keating at the moment.

521
00:32:26.140 --> 00:32:29.580
So I see the hole there right south of the Spanish

522
00:32:29.580 --> 00:32:33.140
Notch, that fits those other quillians, right? The

523
00:32:33.140 --> 00:32:36.500
Quillians that I have over in my shelf there. So they tie in and they

524
00:32:36.500 --> 00:32:39.820
give you an extra cross, which is like similar to the Crassada.

525
00:32:40.060 --> 00:32:42.700
And this way when an oncoming weapon comes in,

526
00:32:43.910 --> 00:32:47.710
you can really just twist it, lock it and drive it back into

527
00:32:47.710 --> 00:32:51.470
the opponent. It is beautiful. It gives you much more hand protection

528
00:32:51.470 --> 00:32:53.430
to protect those beautiful digits.

529
00:32:55.670 --> 00:32:58.950
Oh, that thing is beautiful. Tell us about the Spanish notch.

530
00:32:59.430 --> 00:33:03.190
So this Spanish notch here is designed to catch blades. So we have this

531
00:33:03.190 --> 00:33:07.030
guard here. So if a blade came in, you can trap

532
00:33:07.030 --> 00:33:10.880
with just a slight twist and lock the blade. Not necessarily

533
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:14.600
to disarm it, although that's certainly an applicable thing. But you can

534
00:33:14.600 --> 00:33:18.360
also twist your blade back onto their arm, which is

535
00:33:18.360 --> 00:33:22.040
pretty cool. So we can redirect that force. The Spanish notch here basically

536
00:33:22.040 --> 00:33:25.640
aids in that because it gives you another area for it to get caught

537
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:29.320
in and twist out. Okay. Again, this can be

538
00:33:29.320 --> 00:33:32.760
applied with the back cut flow. Learning how to twist and

539
00:33:32.760 --> 00:33:36.490
manipulate the blades. Catch. Is that something I'm gonna go

540
00:33:36.490 --> 00:33:40.210
for in a fight? Not necessarily, unless the person's extremely

541
00:33:40.210 --> 00:33:43.890
unskilled. But it's just nice to have that extra comfort that if you get into

542
00:33:43.890 --> 00:33:46.490
a bind, you have additional leverage,

543
00:33:47.450 --> 00:33:51.290
pop their blade out and it's gonna go on or back into there.

544
00:33:52.890 --> 00:33:56.330
So a lot of the stuff we're talking about right now would be

545
00:33:56.330 --> 00:34:00.060
optimized in a dueling situation. And we

546
00:34:00.060 --> 00:34:03.900
looked at the agent 007 before, so that. That very well might be your

547
00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:07.140
answer. But to the, to the. To the person out there who

548
00:34:08.340 --> 00:34:11.780
carries a knife for self defense, does not get in duels,

549
00:34:11.780 --> 00:34:15.340
cannot carry a crusada. What. What kind of

550
00:34:15.340 --> 00:34:18.900
knives do you recommend? And I know that's a sticky

551
00:34:19.140 --> 00:34:22.340
kind of question because you're not a lawyer and you're also

552
00:34:22.820 --> 00:34:25.780
not trying to tell people to carry stuff, but people carry stuff.

553
00:34:26.500 --> 00:34:30.300
So what do you think is the most intuitive kind

554
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:33.620
of knife to carry? So I have a theory about this.

555
00:34:34.180 --> 00:34:37.380
And I was talking to someone recently and they go like, what is the best

556
00:34:37.380 --> 00:34:40.340
self defense knife? And I said, well, what do you do for work?

557
00:34:41.779 --> 00:34:45.300
I work behind a desk. You know, I'm like a. Aaa And I'm like, okay.

558
00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:48.100
The other guy that I was talking with, he goes like, well, I'm on a

559
00:34:48.100 --> 00:34:51.400
construction site, so I'm like hammer and I'm pulling nails and I'm like, great. So.

560
00:34:51.629 --> 00:34:55.349
So for you, that might be the Milwaukee fastback, right? Where you

561
00:34:55.349 --> 00:34:59.149
pull it out. It's those replaceable blades. For the person with the desk,

562
00:34:59.149 --> 00:35:02.789
it might be like the CRKT CEO or something, or an ocaso

563
00:35:02.789 --> 00:35:06.589
blade solstice something. Right. For me, it's something that

564
00:35:06.589 --> 00:35:10.429
you're gonna actually carry every day. It's maybe

565
00:35:10.429 --> 00:35:13.829
it's not a giant croissanta that you're gonna strap to your back. You know, go

566
00:35:13.829 --> 00:35:17.629
through the urban jungle looking for a fight. For me, it's something you're gonna

567
00:35:17.629 --> 00:35:21.300
have that repetition of pulling it out and using it every day. It

568
00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:24.540
might be a Benchmade, right? You know, the bug out.

569
00:35:25.420 --> 00:35:28.300
For me, it's something you're going to have on you every day that you have

570
00:35:28.300 --> 00:35:32.060
that muscle memory of the point. Open and close, open and close.

571
00:35:32.460 --> 00:35:36.060
If you can keep it sharp, that's a good thing. I love wave

572
00:35:36.060 --> 00:35:39.140
features. That's something I look for, which is a click to point feature for a

573
00:35:39.140 --> 00:35:42.940
pocket knife. Or like the high desert blade works. We have the bramp

574
00:35:42.940 --> 00:35:46.700
opening, so as you go to deploy it from the pocket, it'll

575
00:35:46.700 --> 00:35:50.400
catch and open that for you getting it into position.

576
00:35:51.200 --> 00:35:55.000
But again, if you're going to carry it every day and practice drawing

577
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:58.080
it, I think that's going to be a much more effective tool than something that.

578
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:02.000
I only carry this for self defense. I go, okay, let's.

579
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.920
Let's do a draw test and see how fast you can get it out. Ready?

580
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:08.680
Three, two, one. Okay. How about. You're still fumbling with it. Well,

581
00:36:08.680 --> 00:36:12.160
the Spyderco needs to get broken in. It's. It's stiff though.

582
00:36:12.890 --> 00:36:15.330
Just. You never practice with it. You just think, I'm going to keep it sharp

583
00:36:15.330 --> 00:36:18.930
and ready. No, if you never practice with it, it's not going to be there

584
00:36:18.930 --> 00:36:22.610
when you need it. So this is, this is a huge

585
00:36:22.610 --> 00:36:26.410
conundrum for me because I have a big

586
00:36:26.410 --> 00:36:30.090
collection and I love to change it up on a nearly

587
00:36:30.090 --> 00:36:33.850
daily basis. I'll get in a rut and. Or the opposite of a rut.

588
00:36:33.850 --> 00:36:37.170
I'll get happy about a knife and carry it for a week in a row.

589
00:36:37.170 --> 00:36:40.990
But. But I'm constantly rotating. Um, then again, I'm

590
00:36:40.990 --> 00:36:44.590
constantly playing with knives, but still, you know, so for me,

591
00:36:45.070 --> 00:36:48.510
that's a, that's sometimes an issue. I'm like, I'm not, I'm not carrying this every

592
00:36:48.510 --> 00:36:52.190
day. I. I set myself up with systems.

593
00:36:52.510 --> 00:36:55.910
So I know in my left pocket I carry something that's going to be more

594
00:36:55.910 --> 00:36:59.550
utilitarian but still functional. So today I think

595
00:36:59.630 --> 00:37:03.310
I just got back in from the shop. It's the Yojimbo

596
00:37:04.270 --> 00:37:07.920
set up for lefty carry. Beautiful working blade

597
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.320
shape that I know I'm going to be able to pop open a box with

598
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:14.720
or, you know, carve open an apple, but I have that

599
00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:18.160
repetitive motion. And then on the right side, I'll carry something typically larger.

600
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.560
And today we have the Gin

601
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:27.200
holding, but maybe it's Nespada or a Voyager or something.

602
00:37:27.200 --> 00:37:28.960
But I know generally

603
00:37:31.120 --> 00:37:34.950
area restrictions not included is going to be a larger folder

604
00:37:34.950 --> 00:37:38.550
that I can legally carry. And then on the front we have a fixed

605
00:37:38.550 --> 00:37:41.550
blade. I love fixed blades. I think that's probably going to be your best bet

606
00:37:41.550 --> 00:37:44.110
if you carry something solely for personal protection.

607
00:37:46.270 --> 00:37:50.110
Again, being able to access it with both hands is going to be important.

608
00:37:50.110 --> 00:37:53.710
So that's why I like front, you know, appendix whatnot.

609
00:37:54.270 --> 00:37:58.070
But again, you have to use your blade if you're unfamiliar with

610
00:37:58.070 --> 00:38:00.870
it and you're like fumbling around with it. It's not going to do you any

611
00:38:00.870 --> 00:38:04.310
good if you can't get it into the fight. And the first place. Dude,

612
00:38:04.630 --> 00:38:08.430
if my face is flush with jealousy, that gin did it,

613
00:38:08.430 --> 00:38:12.110
man. I love the gin. I love the fixed

614
00:38:12.110 --> 00:38:15.750
blade gin. I've never, I've never hefted one of these

615
00:38:16.150 --> 00:38:19.590
folders, but it's just, it's like one of the most

616
00:38:19.590 --> 00:38:23.190
beautiful knives out there. Let's show this off for a sec.

617
00:38:23.190 --> 00:38:27.030
Yeah. So after this we'll, we'll talk and I'll send it to you so you

618
00:38:27.030 --> 00:38:30.640
can review it and check it out. Thanks, man. So this

619
00:38:30.640 --> 00:38:33.920
is from Turner CNC and it is the gin folding knife.

620
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.600
It has an aluminum handle, this one is topoed, but it's

621
00:38:38.600 --> 00:38:42.400
really a Persian style fighting blade that has an S curve which

622
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:46.240
gives you extra bite. Now some people looking at this are gonna go, okay, great.

623
00:38:46.240 --> 00:38:49.880
It's a swirly blade. So what? Well, so what

624
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.520
is. Okay, it has a flat grind here,

625
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:57.740
or seemed like a hollow grind transitions to a flat grind and

626
00:38:57.740 --> 00:39:00.420
then on the top it has another hollow grind.

627
00:39:01.540 --> 00:39:04.940
So it's like triple ground that then goes back to a flat grind towards the

628
00:39:04.940 --> 00:39:08.740
tip. So. And it, it, it,

629
00:39:08.740 --> 00:39:12.420
it's, it, it evokes the pesh cobs,

630
00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:15.780
it evokes the Yatagan, all those beautiful

631
00:39:16.020 --> 00:39:19.380
Turkish and yeah, Middle Eastern style blades.

632
00:39:20.180 --> 00:39:23.540
Yeah. So I've, I've loved the fixed blade. For a long time. And then when

633
00:39:23.540 --> 00:39:27.390
I saw he was making a folding version of this, I was like,

634
00:39:27.390 --> 00:39:31.110
yes, it, you know, I have all of the large cold

635
00:39:31.110 --> 00:39:34.950
steels. I love them so much. But I've, I've thought

636
00:39:34.950 --> 00:39:38.790
so many times, why aren't other makers doing these

637
00:39:38.790 --> 00:39:42.630
giant knives? And maybe there's not so much of a market for them or

638
00:39:42.630 --> 00:39:46.470
maybe they just are all, all need to like put on

639
00:39:46.470 --> 00:39:50.070
their big boy pants. But I'll tell you what, Turner

640
00:39:50.070 --> 00:39:53.790
CNC has some cojones to pull this off. What is that, a five and a

641
00:39:53.790 --> 00:39:56.550
half inch blade or a six inch? It Is it is. So I took the

642
00:39:56.550 --> 00:40:00.030
espada. Okay, I'll grab the

643
00:40:01.550 --> 00:40:04.990
naraja. Right. That's a pretty big, big nasty blade.

644
00:40:05.550 --> 00:40:08.909
I mean, you look at this. That's pretty. That's a pretty nice little

645
00:40:08.909 --> 00:40:12.670
comparison right there. Yep. You know what I'm saying? So you definitely have tons

646
00:40:12.670 --> 00:40:16.510
of reach, tons of distance. But it's deceptive how light and

647
00:40:16.510 --> 00:40:20.100
fast it is. Everyone that I've handed this to, they've been like, it weighs

648
00:40:20.100 --> 00:40:23.860
nothing. And that's the magic of it. It's. It's, you know, fully

649
00:40:23.860 --> 00:40:27.620
hollowed out super fast. You still back

650
00:40:27.620 --> 00:40:31.340
cut with it because of this. Even though it's unsharpened. I don't

651
00:40:31.340 --> 00:40:35.179
even. I wouldn't want to get touched with that. Comes a wand in your

652
00:40:35.179 --> 00:40:35.860
head. It's.

653
00:40:38.660 --> 00:40:42.460
I have not taken it out of my pocket since I've got it. Oh my

654
00:40:42.460 --> 00:40:45.670
gosh. I, I totally. I

655
00:40:45.670 --> 00:40:49.350
100% have to get one of those. It's moral imperative.

656
00:40:49.830 --> 00:40:53.110
We'll work. We'll work on that. I got you. I got you. So

657
00:40:54.230 --> 00:40:57.670
this begs the question, out of historical knives,

658
00:40:57.830 --> 00:41:01.670
you know, what are your favorite knives in general? We talked about bowies,

659
00:41:01.670 --> 00:41:04.870
we've talked about Filipinos. I mean, they've got some of the most

660
00:41:04.870 --> 00:41:08.670
incredible blade profiles out there. Now

661
00:41:08.670 --> 00:41:12.310
we have the gin DJ I N N like the, like the

662
00:41:12.310 --> 00:41:15.400
Middle Eastern demon. What is your favorite

663
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.760
style of knife throughout history? My favorite style,

664
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.360
man, it recently like, if you ask me right now off the top, I have

665
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:27.120
to say a buoy knife. To me it just. You get the beauty of

666
00:41:27.120 --> 00:41:30.960
a saber. You get some of like the, the Filipino

667
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.720
aspect of it because they had like the bolos. It is just such a

668
00:41:34.720 --> 00:41:38.560
versatile tool. And I think that's really what it comes down to

669
00:41:38.560 --> 00:41:42.400
is something that can be a tool. I love katanas,

670
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:46.000
wakazashi. But am I gonna go hack down a tree with

671
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:49.600
that? No, I'm not going to. I'm not gonna be able to like start a

672
00:41:49.600 --> 00:41:52.200
fire with that. Try to pull a ferro rod off of it. You know, it's

673
00:41:52.200 --> 00:41:55.960
like as beautiful but kind of challenging. That's

674
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.560
just so. It's either it's a toss up between that

675
00:42:00.080 --> 00:42:03.200
and a dagger. Oh, that's one of Jen

676
00:42:04.640 --> 00:42:07.920
Jed Lint. Jen Lint. I'm sorry, I forgot her last name all of a sudden.

677
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:11.760
That is so beautiful. So I mean, if

678
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:15.560
we're going into combat, I mean this thing, I don't care. It's

679
00:42:15.560 --> 00:42:16.840
taking out wizards, man. This.

680
00:42:19.160 --> 00:42:22.520
Yeah, that her work is so stunning, man.

681
00:42:23.160 --> 00:42:26.960
That is just Beautiful. Exceptional. So a dagger is pretty

682
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.400
awesome. I love the mythicalness behind it, too. You know, like,

683
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.200
typically, it wasn't a wand. It was a dagger, ceremonial dagger. So it

684
00:42:34.200 --> 00:42:37.660
has a lot of cool spiritual attributes to it. But if we're going to the

685
00:42:37.660 --> 00:42:41.500
combat, man, I'm taking a bowie knife and a Bible. Let's go.

686
00:42:41.500 --> 00:42:43.940
A bowie knife in a Bible. Amen, man.

687
00:42:45.700 --> 00:42:49.140
So second Catholic edition. In my. In my.

688
00:42:50.020 --> 00:42:53.660
You had a karambit out before, and this is something I was recently.

689
00:42:53.660 --> 00:42:56.100
I recently had Paulo Rubio on the show.

690
00:42:57.300 --> 00:42:59.220
He's. He's a great dude. And

691
00:43:00.500 --> 00:43:04.000
karambitz came up, and there's this idea that

692
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.400
a karambit is kind of a. A magical pass.

693
00:43:08.720 --> 00:43:12.280
You know, you've never fought with a knife before. You've never trained with a knife,

694
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.680
but if you have a karambit, that's like the ultimate. What are your feelings on

695
00:43:15.680 --> 00:43:19.480
Karbit? It's a. It's a complicated issue. I think if

696
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.960
you can deploy your karambit and get it into the fight, it's a

697
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.760
vicious weapon. I wouldn't want to close the distance on someone.

698
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.600
I think it's like an actuation of your body mechanic. So

699
00:43:30.600 --> 00:43:34.160
if you can throw a jab, you can stab. If you can throw a

700
00:43:34.160 --> 00:43:37.800
hook, you can slash. Is it the

701
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:41.040
most? Like, am I going to hand this to someone who's untrained and say, like,

702
00:43:41.040 --> 00:43:44.840
all right, you're on my team for the apocalypse. Like, let's go. Probably

703
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:48.640
not. But as a working tool, I think it's exceptional because you

704
00:43:48.640 --> 00:43:52.280
turn it around and you have that, you know, that forward leading

705
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.570
tip that has a lot of pressure to it. I think if you.

706
00:43:56.370 --> 00:43:59.850
So here's the thing. I've trained with some Brazilian jiu jitsu guys, and I'm like,

707
00:43:59.850 --> 00:44:03.610
hey, man, I love this chokehold. I love this triangle choke. And

708
00:44:03.610 --> 00:44:07.450
I have, unbeknownst to them, pulled out a karamba trainer, and

709
00:44:07.450 --> 00:44:11.050
I just, you know, did one of these flail extensions and just

710
00:44:11.050 --> 00:44:14.050
pulled it across their back, and they're like, yo, what's that? What's that? Feels weird.

711
00:44:14.050 --> 00:44:17.730
What's that? And I go, you have no more back, right? You're gonna

712
00:44:17.730 --> 00:44:21.460
limp. And they're like, doing Brazilian jiu jitsu. I

713
00:44:21.460 --> 00:44:24.820
said, nah, man. This is a combat art. So I got combat tools. Like, what's

714
00:44:24.820 --> 00:44:28.300
up? They're like, oh, man. So I think in a close quarter environment,

715
00:44:29.020 --> 00:44:32.700
amazing. If you have any background in boxing, it's gonna

716
00:44:33.020 --> 00:44:36.740
be a great, formidable tool for that. Wind chun especially

717
00:44:36.740 --> 00:44:40.580
as well. Some of the trapping, exceptional. But is it the

718
00:44:40.580 --> 00:44:44.260
end all be all for combat tools? No, but

719
00:44:44.260 --> 00:44:47.830
I love them and I think they're very versatile. So.

720
00:44:47.830 --> 00:44:51.270
Okay. Another recent thing that has

721
00:44:52.070 --> 00:44:55.830
taken a similar mantle is pacal style knives

722
00:44:56.470 --> 00:44:59.430
which is kind of the karambit in reverse. So

723
00:45:00.070 --> 00:45:03.750
and that's another thing like a magic elixir. Oh. All you gotta know is

724
00:45:03.750 --> 00:45:07.030
how to, you know, back fist. So

725
00:45:07.670 --> 00:45:10.630
what would you say to someone who, who preaches that?

726
00:45:11.520 --> 00:45:15.360
I would say similar to the back cut being more of an expert's move,

727
00:45:15.680 --> 00:45:19.520
you're having steel coming back towards your body.

728
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.000
You have to be very comfortable with alignment and getting

729
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.480
your body out of there. I say the same thing with the

730
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:31.080
Bacal knife. You have the tip down and the edge

731
00:45:31.080 --> 00:45:34.720
facing the user. I think the Bacal

732
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.940
is a versatile tool for everyday carry. Lot of people

733
00:45:37.940 --> 00:45:41.580
misunderstand it. I would consider this more of an

734
00:45:41.580 --> 00:45:45.300
expert's tool because although

735
00:45:45.300 --> 00:45:49.100
it uses fine gross motor skills, in the heat of

736
00:45:49.100 --> 00:45:52.100
the moment you have your trapping hand out there, you go to stab and you

737
00:45:52.100 --> 00:45:55.940
punt back. Oh yeah, I don't know. But, and here's the last thing, you

738
00:45:55.940 --> 00:45:59.100
look at this as an animalistic nature.

739
00:45:59.980 --> 00:46:03.100
Tigers have their claws that bring you in.

740
00:46:03.780 --> 00:46:07.100
They don't have them facing out the foot away. Right. It's that

741
00:46:07.100 --> 00:46:10.860
karambit. Get away. Go, go. The expert's

742
00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:14.580
knife. The call. Come on in baby, you're mine.

743
00:46:15.140 --> 00:46:18.540
So I feel that it gives you a lot of back

744
00:46:18.540 --> 00:46:21.700
muscle leverage to torque J cut out.

745
00:46:22.900 --> 00:46:26.460
It's very effective, very sinister. But that would

746
00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:29.840
require a little bit more trading in my opinion. Interesting.

747
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:34.120
So my, my thought was the reverse, my thought was

748
00:46:34.120 --> 00:46:37.760
that a karambit because it does not emulate nature

749
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:41.600
because it's unlike the, the pacal which is more. Like a

750
00:46:41.600 --> 00:46:44.960
tiger's claw as you were mentioning. You know,

751
00:46:45.200 --> 00:46:48.960
like that would take less. Less training to just kind of pound it and

752
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:52.800
pull it. Pound it and pull it. But you know, I,

753
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:56.610
I, I don't know. I don't know. I, I haven't, thank the Lord. I haven't

754
00:46:56.610 --> 00:47:00.450
been in that situation. But that, and then, and then the

755
00:47:00.450 --> 00:47:04.090
third in if we're going to be ranking these is that

756
00:47:04.090 --> 00:47:07.850
sort of S curve Black Talon 2

757
00:47:07.850 --> 00:47:11.609
or civilian from. Spyderco, that, that

758
00:47:11.609 --> 00:47:15.210
sort of model where. You, you can't fail, you know?

759
00:47:15.210 --> 00:47:19.010
Yeah. Right. Yes. So I think this is actually like one

760
00:47:19.010 --> 00:47:22.500
of those tools that I would hand to just about anyone for

761
00:47:23.380 --> 00:47:27.220
ripping and slashing. Like hold one to your chest and go crazy because it's

762
00:47:27.220 --> 00:47:31.060
going to be effective. Right. I mean this knife

763
00:47:31.140 --> 00:47:34.580
respectfully scares the crap out of me. And I've got to test it on ballistic

764
00:47:34.580 --> 00:47:38.300
dummies before. Nasty. This will

765
00:47:38.300 --> 00:47:41.900
destroy just about anything. But I love it as a tool for cutting

766
00:47:41.900 --> 00:47:45.700
ropes. Oh my gosh. Opening thing. Oh my gosh. This

767
00:47:45.700 --> 00:47:49.510
is such a great tool. But it scares the crap out of me. BOB.

768
00:47:49.510 --> 00:47:52.910
Yeah, it really was. Yeah. No, that's a, that's a, that is. A

769
00:47:52.910 --> 00:47:56.550
terrifying knife right there. Black talent

770
00:47:56.550 --> 00:47:59.750
again. I think it really comes down to what can you get out in time?

771
00:48:00.070 --> 00:48:03.350
Because it's kind of tricky to deploy a pacal knife unless you do like a

772
00:48:03.350 --> 00:48:07.110
classic Emerson opening where it comes out but then is it in

773
00:48:07.110 --> 00:48:10.830
the call position? Right. No, it's more of like a forward grip. So you have

774
00:48:10.830 --> 00:48:14.590
to really train deploying it and then rolling it into your hand

775
00:48:14.750 --> 00:48:18.350
in order to accentuate and bring out what it's best known for.

776
00:48:19.230 --> 00:48:23.070
The karambit. Again, you also have to practice deploying it. Maybe it's a two

777
00:48:23.070 --> 00:48:26.590
hand, maybe it's the Bramp. And now you're ready to go.

778
00:48:26.590 --> 00:48:30.430
Yeah. Black Talon. It's just

779
00:48:30.430 --> 00:48:34.070
there. I, I, I'm, I'm oftentimes when

780
00:48:34.070 --> 00:48:37.070
I'm pressure testing myself against the BOB Dummy

781
00:48:37.950 --> 00:48:41.710
folders like and, and I've been drawing folders for a long

782
00:48:41.710 --> 00:48:45.300
time. Even wavable folders. There's still a

783
00:48:45.300 --> 00:48:49.020
moment where you have to reposition your hand and

784
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:53.060
to get it just right. And that's why I keep coming back

785
00:48:53.060 --> 00:48:56.660
to fixed blades. Fixed blades. If you really want to draw

786
00:48:56.660 --> 00:49:00.340
something that you're going to defend yourself with. I gotta, I gotta

787
00:49:00.340 --> 00:49:04.020
shout out. Auxiliary manufacturing. He just did the Carl

788
00:49:04.020 --> 00:49:07.780
Jr. And this has been a steady part of my

789
00:49:07.780 --> 00:49:10.980
everyday carry. When it's not an agent line,

790
00:49:11.300 --> 00:49:15.140
it's this one. It's so small, very concealable. Great.

791
00:49:15.780 --> 00:49:19.300
Should beat up towards the top. 99 bucks.

792
00:49:20.180 --> 00:49:23.820
So it's made by Miguron too. They did a beautiful job on

793
00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:27.060
the, on the pocket Bowie. I keep that on my

794
00:49:27.060 --> 00:49:29.620
backpack like a big old nerd. But yeah,

795
00:49:30.660 --> 00:49:33.860
I agree. Fixed blades are where it's at mate. Once you get over that hurdle

796
00:49:33.860 --> 00:49:37.470
of like how am I going to carry this? Yeah. And you get comfortable and

797
00:49:37.470 --> 00:49:40.150
you have that position to get it out either hand.

798
00:49:42.230 --> 00:49:45.990
So you, you told us that you're coming out with a, you're working on a

799
00:49:45.990 --> 00:49:49.830
James Keating documentary. Tell us a little bit

800
00:49:49.830 --> 00:49:53.630
about the Tactical Tavern in general and what your plans are for

801
00:49:53.630 --> 00:49:57.110
the future. Yes. So recently I've had some incredible

802
00:49:57.110 --> 00:50:00.630
opportunities to go and train with Kelly Warden.

803
00:50:00.710 --> 00:50:04.470
Nazi Kelly Warden as well who trained and he's good friends With James

804
00:50:04.470 --> 00:50:08.030
Keating. So we have two that are in the works. I know it's taking some

805
00:50:08.030 --> 00:50:11.270
time, but trust me, it's going to be so worth it. The hardest part about

806
00:50:11.270 --> 00:50:14.910
it is that everything he says is like gold. Like you want to keep it

807
00:50:14.910 --> 00:50:18.509
in. It's hard to like cut out stuff. Oh, this story's so good. Yeah.

808
00:50:18.509 --> 00:50:22.070
So we have a James Keating documentary that is going to be coming out very

809
00:50:22.070 --> 00:50:25.790
soon. We have a datu Kelly Warden documentary that's also

810
00:50:25.790 --> 00:50:29.640
in the works. You have to spend a week, you know, and

811
00:50:29.640 --> 00:50:33.040
I think right now I'm really blessed with that ability to be able to travel

812
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.600
and train and, and really accentuate these

813
00:50:37.600 --> 00:50:41.240
skills that I've been learning. Something I also have to show here is

814
00:50:41.240 --> 00:50:45.040
the galaxy process legacy knife

815
00:50:45.200 --> 00:50:48.240
from Kelly Warden. Look at this.

816
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:51.440
So that's Remy Prasas. Is that, is that what.

817
00:50:53.930 --> 00:50:57.330
Yes. And so this is designed. It was first made for Remy

818
00:50:57.330 --> 00:51:00.490
Prices and then he was like, well, this is a really cool design. And so

819
00:51:00.490 --> 00:51:03.930
Kelly Warden took it and goes, you know what, I'm gonna make this into something

820
00:51:03.930 --> 00:51:07.650
really special. And holy smokes is look at the blade

821
00:51:07.650 --> 00:51:11.250
finish. Wow. Whoa. So

822
00:51:11.250 --> 00:51:14.970
wait, wait, wait, before you resheed that, that's a pretty unique design on the

823
00:51:14.970 --> 00:51:18.010
spine. Is that for trapping those two peaks there?

824
00:51:18.650 --> 00:51:21.930
Yeah. So it almost to be kind of. Looks like a fit face that we

825
00:51:21.930 --> 00:51:25.730
were talking about. How it almost looks like a head. Yeah. Or face.

826
00:51:25.730 --> 00:51:28.850
But it realistically you have pressure here.

827
00:51:29.410 --> 00:51:32.130
You have different abilities to

828
00:51:32.930 --> 00:51:36.650
hook, trap. I'm still exploring. I don't know. I mean

829
00:51:36.650 --> 00:51:40.210
it's gorgeous. But yes, I imagine there are very sinister

830
00:51:40.690 --> 00:51:44.410
capabilities to that as well. So.

831
00:51:44.410 --> 00:51:47.960
Yeah, it seems, it seems like something you could in a. On a half

832
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:51.120
beat, retain a wrist width or something. Yes, exactly.

833
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:56.160
So Kelly Warden, the name is familiar to me, but honestly, I

834
00:51:56.160 --> 00:51:59.600
don't remember who he is. Who is he again? Dr. Kelly

835
00:51:59.600 --> 00:52:03.120
Warden is a master of masters. He

836
00:52:03.120 --> 00:52:06.720
really broke out of. Instead of just doing.

837
00:52:07.120 --> 00:52:10.760
I'm going to do karate, which back in the 80s was very taboo

838
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:14.550
to like explore other dojos and cross train. He did that.

839
00:52:14.710 --> 00:52:18.030
He's like, no. Okay, that's great. I'm gonna go train over here and study folking

840
00:52:18.030 --> 00:52:21.350
on martial arts. Well, okay, that's great. I'm gonna go study winchung over here. Oh,

841
00:52:21.670 --> 00:52:25.510
and I would consider him a master of movement. He.

842
00:52:25.510 --> 00:52:29.269
He can teach you how to do an art just because of that line.

843
00:52:29.269 --> 00:52:32.470
Familiarization of like. Okay, is this an outward block?

844
00:52:32.870 --> 00:52:36.390
Is this a karambit slash? Is it a

845
00:52:36.390 --> 00:52:40.060
pacal Stab, it's movement. No

846
00:52:40.060 --> 00:52:43.860
one owns movement. And he has just innate way of just

847
00:52:43.860 --> 00:52:47.460
bringing it all together. And he designed like the defense wrench,

848
00:52:47.460 --> 00:52:51.260
the safety wrench. That's cool. TSA approved, by the

849
00:52:51.260 --> 00:52:54.980
way. Oh, excellent. And it's really great for measuring

850
00:52:55.140 --> 00:52:58.980
your nuts and bolts and keeping people in check. It's

851
00:52:58.980 --> 00:53:02.740
an attitude adjustment. Yeah. So he's incredible

852
00:53:02.820 --> 00:53:06.580
being able to train with him too and understand like the staff. We studied

853
00:53:06.580 --> 00:53:09.700
the staff quite extensively because it unlocks

854
00:53:10.340 --> 00:53:14.180
motion. You do an inward block, right? Check

855
00:53:14.180 --> 00:53:17.660
block. Well, what's the difference with doing that with the staff? It's just

856
00:53:17.660 --> 00:53:20.420
teaching you how to use your hips, your body, your torque.

857
00:53:22.020 --> 00:53:25.420
We got some really good stuff coming out on the Tactical Tavern. Stay tuned. I'm

858
00:53:25.420 --> 00:53:29.100
excited to share it. Man. I'm excited to hear that. To watch

859
00:53:29.100 --> 00:53:32.860
those especially, I gotta say, James Keating, I've known

860
00:53:32.860 --> 00:53:35.840
about him for a long time. Seems some of his videos I used to think

861
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:39.640
like, look at this guy. He's like, he's built like me. He's got. He's like

862
00:53:39.640 --> 00:53:43.280
tall and thin, but he's a badass. Maybe I could

863
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.800
someday, you know, he's. One of those kind of aspirational

864
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:50.479
guys. I look forward to checking that out. We. We only have a few

865
00:53:50.479 --> 00:53:54.200
minutes here left. But let me ask you just in terms of like the more

866
00:53:54.200 --> 00:53:58.000
pedestrian knife scene, what

867
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.210
are some of the knives that are out? You. You just mentioned the

868
00:54:01.290 --> 00:54:04.810
auxiliary manufacturing. Carl Jr. Made by

869
00:54:04.810 --> 00:54:08.290
Miguran. That's awesome. But what are some of the other knives that are out and

870
00:54:08.290 --> 00:54:11.970
about or coming out that you're excited about? Something

871
00:54:11.970 --> 00:54:15.330
I'm really excited about is coming from Tenable. They're working with Eric

872
00:54:15.330 --> 00:54:18.890
Pinkerton and they're coming out with a really budget friendly line of Bacall

873
00:54:18.890 --> 00:54:22.490
knives. If they're not out already. I think they're going to be out very soon.

874
00:54:23.610 --> 00:54:27.020
Super stoked for that. There's also a couple of

875
00:54:27.020 --> 00:54:30.740
bastidellas that I got to see that are just so gorgeous.

876
00:54:30.900 --> 00:54:34.420
The lines that he does, exceptional. And

877
00:54:34.740 --> 00:54:38.500
cjrb, we have something in the works as well.

878
00:54:38.500 --> 00:54:42.140
Oh, really? Can you spill as much as you can

879
00:54:42.140 --> 00:54:44.740
spill? It's going to be sharp.

880
00:54:45.860 --> 00:54:49.540
Damn. All right. Does it fold or is it fixed? It's going to

881
00:54:49.540 --> 00:54:53.140
fold. It's going to be a budget. Budget folder that's good for personal protection.

882
00:54:53.660 --> 00:54:57.340
How cool. Cjrb, I love them. Can I ask

883
00:54:57.340 --> 00:55:00.780
you lock type? Because. And I'll. I'll say what. I'll say why.

884
00:55:01.020 --> 00:55:04.500
I think they do one of the best button locks that

885
00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:07.420
I've experienced. I like the way they pocket

886
00:55:08.060 --> 00:55:11.780
the. The plunge lock. I do too. I feel much more secure with

887
00:55:11.780 --> 00:55:15.580
that than compared to most other companies. But this is not a button

888
00:55:15.580 --> 00:55:19.420
lock. All right. Okay. Oh, man. We would, but

889
00:55:20.010 --> 00:55:23.850
I cannot wait. I cannot wait. So you. You held up a

890
00:55:23.850 --> 00:55:27.690
Bastinelli a few moments ago. Can you just show that off and. Tell us what

891
00:55:27.690 --> 00:55:31.050
all that is is the mood.

892
00:55:31.290 --> 00:55:35.090
Ooh, that is beautiful. It is gorgeous. It's. It's a

893
00:55:35.090 --> 00:55:38.410
Spanish navaja, inspired. So, like, similar to the espada with that

894
00:55:38.410 --> 00:55:40.410
upswept Spanish buoy,

895
00:55:42.250 --> 00:55:45.990
perfectly placed jimping as well again as a tool for everyday

896
00:55:45.990 --> 00:55:49.390
carry. But then we have that really beautiful

897
00:55:49.550 --> 00:55:53.350
extraction point. Yeah, that's pretty. It's pretty sexy

898
00:55:53.350 --> 00:55:57.110
blade. I need more Bastinelli knives in my life. And that.

899
00:55:57.110 --> 00:56:00.350
That might just be the next one. That is just beautiful.

900
00:56:01.070 --> 00:56:04.710
I was. That trip that I went on for a week trading in

901
00:56:04.710 --> 00:56:08.230
Washington. This was one of the blades that I brought. The only fixed blade I

902
00:56:08.230 --> 00:56:11.710
brought was this one to carry a test that I trusted it.

903
00:56:12.190 --> 00:56:15.790
Trusted it with my life. So there it is. Well, right

904
00:56:15.790 --> 00:56:19.390
on, Right on. Okay, last question here. Tell

905
00:56:19.390 --> 00:56:23.150
us who you're watching on YouTube right

906
00:56:23.150 --> 00:56:26.870
now. And I'm asking you this because I've fallen off a little bit.

907
00:56:26.870 --> 00:56:30.550
I mean, I've got certain. You and Rolando and a few

908
00:56:30.550 --> 00:56:34.390
others I. I always tune into, but, you

909
00:56:34.390 --> 00:56:38.030
know, time is limited. Who are some of the knife

910
00:56:38.030 --> 00:56:41.690
tubers. You'Re into these days? So there's this guy named

911
00:56:41.690 --> 00:56:44.610
Alex. I think it starts with a G. I could be wrong. I think it's

912
00:56:44.610 --> 00:56:48.450
outdoor 55. He does an incredible job at

913
00:56:48.450 --> 00:56:51.330
testing some knives. Amazing.

914
00:56:52.130 --> 00:56:55.770
Of course, there's. What's. That guy's doing? Metal complex.

915
00:56:55.770 --> 00:56:58.930
He's always doing stuff. You know, I'll check out him when I can,

916
00:57:00.210 --> 00:57:03.930
but I also try not to get trapped into doing what everyone else

917
00:57:03.930 --> 00:57:07.260
is doing. So usually when I'm on YouTube, I'm watching,

918
00:57:07.980 --> 00:57:11.220
you know, other things. Other stuff. You know, stuff to take my mind off of

919
00:57:11.220 --> 00:57:14.940
all the. All right. But, yeah, I would definitely say, check out

920
00:57:15.260 --> 00:57:19.100
outdoor. I know Jason Fleming straight edge knives.

921
00:57:19.180 --> 00:57:23.020
Oh, yeah. He's awesome. I like that guy. And of course,

922
00:57:23.740 --> 00:57:27.260
when I can inquire boy cutlery. Oh, yeah,

923
00:57:27.580 --> 00:57:31.380
he's. He's got a. He's got a big place in my heart. I love

924
00:57:31.380 --> 00:57:35.040
that guy. Oh, he's awesome. He's gonna be on here next

925
00:57:35.040 --> 00:57:38.840
week, actually. Scab. Yeah. Oh, let's go. Ab. Scab.

926
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:42.560
You're not. Yeah, he and I.

927
00:57:42.560 --> 00:57:45.480
He and I were born in the same year, and I feel like we have

928
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:49.120
some of the. Some of the same. We share some of the same

929
00:57:49.120 --> 00:57:52.640
cultural bookmarks, and.

930
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:57.000
Yeah, I love that dude. Yeah, he's awesome. He's in a real one. All

931
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.820
right, so tell everyone how they can catch up with you and when

932
00:58:00.820 --> 00:58:04.500
and where they can check out the James Keating, the Kelly Warden

933
00:58:04.500 --> 00:58:08.300
documentaries that are coming out. Yes. Which I can't wait for, because you know what

934
00:58:08.300 --> 00:58:12.140
you're doing, too. It's not like you're a total noob walking in and saying, show

935
00:58:12.140 --> 00:58:14.300
me how to you. You're starting from a very

936
00:58:15.420 --> 00:58:19.140
accelerated position. I appreciate you saying that,

937
00:58:19.140 --> 00:58:22.860
but on camera, I look like a total new when I'm working with

938
00:58:22.860 --> 00:58:26.560
him. Okay. And I am okay with that because I'm learning. Yeah. But

939
00:58:26.560 --> 00:58:30.280
I was humbled. Okay. By their skills. Both of them

940
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:34.040
keed, especially with the backup flows, the. The

941
00:58:34.040 --> 00:58:37.320
tagging, and I'm like, okay, timeout, timeout. How'd you do that?

942
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:41.320
What did I do? Let. Let's. Let's move ourselves. And I'm like,

943
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:45.120
wow, fast. I have segments coming out on the Tactical Tavern

944
00:58:45.120 --> 00:58:48.760
YouTube channel. Some. Some clips before the main one comes out.

945
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.910
We're trying to coordinate something special with a certain

946
00:58:52.910 --> 00:58:56.190
deadline. So let's see. We can get that to happen. Excellent. And then the Kelly

947
00:58:56.190 --> 00:58:59.670
Warden one will be after that. But again, we got the experiment with his

948
00:58:59.670 --> 00:59:03.310
silent fighter, which is, like, one of the best training dummies. Like,

949
00:59:03.310 --> 00:59:06.590
imagine the Bob, but on steroid with arms. Oh,

950
00:59:07.150 --> 00:59:10.870
okay. It's awesome. And he's still making them by hand. Just like the

951
00:59:10.870 --> 00:59:14.670
knives that he's doing, he's making them in his shop by hand. So

952
00:59:15.550 --> 00:59:18.640
I'll. I'll just say this. The best thing about this document,

953
00:59:19.350 --> 00:59:22.990
about these documentaries is that I sat down and I interviewed the

954
00:59:22.990 --> 00:59:26.710
students and to hear their

955
00:59:26.790 --> 00:59:30.590
stories and the emotion that they bring to them, it. It goes beyond

956
00:59:30.590 --> 00:59:34.310
martial arts. It's just a true way of living, and it's just so

957
00:59:34.310 --> 00:59:38.150
much respect and love and admiration for these individuals that are historic

958
00:59:38.150 --> 00:59:41.790
legends, living legends in the martial arts. So Tactical

959
00:59:41.790 --> 00:59:45.440
Tavern, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, MySpace. Not on my space,

960
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:49.200
but he just quit today. Yeah, that's it.

961
00:59:49.200 --> 00:59:53.040
Tomas, thank you so much, man. So much fun talking to

962
00:59:53.040 --> 00:59:56.880
you. Always great. Always bumping into you at Blade show and

963
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.920
such. But, man, I'm. I'm so glad that you are out there

964
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:04.080
capturing this kind of stuff, especially with li. These living legends who are,

965
01:00:04.240 --> 01:00:07.920
you know, later in their years, and we need to

966
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:11.630
preserve their knowledge. I know they've done great to do that too.

967
01:00:11.630 --> 01:00:15.150
But I'm. I'm so glad you're out there taking care of it. So I

968
01:00:15.150 --> 01:00:18.910
appreciate it, man. I appreciate you. And I love watching your videos, too. About

969
01:00:18.910 --> 01:00:21.630
the month of my family, when we came, we get together, we'll watch, we'll put

970
01:00:21.630 --> 01:00:25.270
it on the big screen at Thursday night. Knives, let's go. Right on,

971
01:00:25.270 --> 01:00:28.830
man. All right. Well, you take care, man. Thanks for coming on.

972
01:00:29.310 --> 01:00:32.790
Yes, sir. You know you're a knife junkie. If you're as happy as a kid

973
01:00:32.790 --> 01:00:36.630
on Christmas morning when that new knife arrives in the mail. There he

974
01:00:36.630 --> 01:00:39.990
goes, ladies and gentlemen, Tomas, Alas, of the Tactical

975
01:00:39.990 --> 01:00:43.470
Tavern. I mean, he said it all. He is the man. And

976
01:00:43.630 --> 01:00:47.430
I love his work. I love the videos he puts out.

977
01:00:47.430 --> 01:00:51.270
And also, you are gonna love his agent 007. So

978
01:00:51.270 --> 01:00:55.091
be sure to check that out. When it drops on 21st November,

979
01:00:55.262 --> 01:00:58.910
2025. There will be more runs down the road, don't worry.

980
01:00:59.230 --> 01:01:03.030
But for now, check that out. And by the way, Bastinelli

981
01:01:03.030 --> 01:01:06.840
rap, you better. You better get on that one fast. All right. For Jim

982
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:10.360
working his magic behind the switcher, I'm Bob DeMarco saying until next time,

983
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:14.720
don't take dull for an answer. Thanks for listening to the Knife Junkie

984
01:01:14.720 --> 01:01:17.360
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985
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:21.160
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986
01:01:21.160 --> 01:01:24.840
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