WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.760 --> 00:00:07.600 To the Knife Junkie Podcast, your weekly dose of knife news and 2 00:00:07.600 --> 00:00:11.120 information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your host, 3 00:00:11.120 --> 00:00:12.960 Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco. 4 00:00:16.400 --> 00:00:20.200 Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast. I'm Bob DeMarco. On this 5 00:00:20.200 --> 00:00:23.800 edition of the show, I'm speaking with Jacob Peterson of Exodus 6 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:27.280 Knife and Tool. Jacob is a relatively new knife 7 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:30.820 designer whose Adventure Craft and Jackalope Fixed Blade 8 00:00:30.820 --> 00:00:34.620 knives have recently caused a splash with some of the most trusted 9 00:00:34.620 --> 00:00:38.420 knife reviewers on YouTube. His knives are both beautiful and 10 00:00:38.420 --> 00:00:42.220 no nonsense. Each one designed to conquer everything from 11 00:00:42.220 --> 00:00:45.780 workaday EDC chores to bushcrafting tasks 12 00:00:45.940 --> 00:00:49.660 to critical survival applications. On top of that, he's 13 00:00:49.660 --> 00:00:53.260 enlisted one of the most respected knife companies in America to 14 00:00:53.260 --> 00:00:57.050 produce his designs. We'll meet Jacob and discover the inspirations 15 00:00:57.050 --> 00:01:00.690 and process that make Exodus Knife and. Tool what it is. 16 00:01:01.010 --> 00:01:04.570 But first, be sure to like, comment, subscribe and hit the 17 00:01:04.570 --> 00:01:08.210 notification bell. You can also download the show to your favorite 18 00:01:08.210 --> 00:01:12.050 podcast app so that you can listen on the go. Also, 19 00:01:12.050 --> 00:01:15.610 if you'd like to help support the show, you can share it. 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Absolutely, my pleasure. 31 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:59.960 Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure and I I want to congratulate you 32 00:01:59.960 --> 00:02:03.600 on your your recent success. I've been. 33 00:02:03.600 --> 00:02:07.360 I've been seeing Exodus Knife and Tool the like I said, 34 00:02:07.360 --> 00:02:10.760 the Adventure craft. I've seen that a lot on 35 00:02:10.920 --> 00:02:14.680 the various channels I love to watch on YouTube. How did you 36 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:18.520 get into this? It's a pretty long story. I'll try 37 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:21.880 and probably keep it a little shorter. I believe it was 38 00:02:21.880 --> 00:02:25.480 2017. I was working 39 00:02:25.480 --> 00:02:28.600 with my friend Ross Gammons at Dry Creek Forge. 40 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:33.120 We went to Blade show for the first time. We released the Super 41 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:36.120 Kook, which is a large kukri 42 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:41.380 that we're kind of bringing back to market now. But I 43 00:02:41.380 --> 00:02:45.100 had come from also co owning 44 00:02:45.100 --> 00:02:48.660 a Nepalese kukri manufacturer. 45 00:02:48.740 --> 00:02:52.500 So I really like Kukris I became known for large 46 00:02:52.500 --> 00:02:56.339 knives, but I wanted to design a series of 47 00:02:56.339 --> 00:03:00.180 Puukko inspired knives in a medium 48 00:03:00.180 --> 00:03:03.380 small and extra small. Now my extra small 49 00:03:04.340 --> 00:03:08.020 Cuukko is what eventually became the 50 00:03:08.020 --> 00:03:10.210 Adventure craft. And 51 00:03:10.930 --> 00:03:14.730 universally everybody who I showed my drawing that I was so 52 00:03:14.730 --> 00:03:17.810 excited about said do not do this. 53 00:03:19.010 --> 00:03:21.570 It was too small, too thin, 54 00:03:22.530 --> 00:03:24.530 the dimensions were unusual. 55 00:03:27.490 --> 00:03:30.890 I drew some inspiration from the cold steel 56 00:03:30.890 --> 00:03:34.490 spike from back in the day when that was first released. I drew some 57 00:03:34.490 --> 00:03:38.150 inspiration from a custom knife 58 00:03:38.150 --> 00:03:41.110 that Ross had manufactured and 59 00:03:42.470 --> 00:03:43.830 we didn't make it, 60 00:03:46.230 --> 00:03:49.030 but down the road a little ways, 61 00:03:51.110 --> 00:03:54.830 you know, I started Exodus Knife and Tool. I was originally manufactured 62 00:03:54.830 --> 00:03:57.910 by Mineral Mountain Hatchet Works over in Arkansas 63 00:03:58.710 --> 00:04:02.470 and we got the ball rolling again. So this would actually be kind of my 64 00:04:02.470 --> 00:04:05.930 third attempt in the knife industry. I've been reviewing 65 00:04:05.930 --> 00:04:09.450 knives for 10 years now. Can't stay away from them. 66 00:04:09.850 --> 00:04:13.610 And every time I try to venture like this 67 00:04:13.690 --> 00:04:16.890 and failed, I came crawling back and, 68 00:04:18.090 --> 00:04:21.890 and this third try has been amazing. The adventure craft has 69 00:04:21.890 --> 00:04:25.370 been a game changer for me and 70 00:04:25.370 --> 00:04:29.130 not, not just as a brand, but actually in my 71 00:04:29.130 --> 00:04:32.350 personal life and as a knife reviewer. Really, 72 00:04:32.590 --> 00:04:35.630 how's it done that Harder for. Me to review knives now. 73 00:04:37.470 --> 00:04:40.270 I was very, very driven 74 00:04:41.950 --> 00:04:45.670 to constantly find this, this knife that gave 75 00:04:45.670 --> 00:04:48.109 me a long term satisfaction, I think 76 00:04:49.950 --> 00:04:53.590 in any other group of people, I think that would sound really 77 00:04:53.590 --> 00:04:57.350 weird. Hopefully I'm thinking people here may understand what 78 00:04:57.350 --> 00:05:00.940 I'm saying there. The Adventure Craft and the 79 00:05:00.940 --> 00:05:04.700 Jackalope kind of did that for me. Where in the past I 80 00:05:04.700 --> 00:05:08.500 would love knives of certain designs but wish something was a 81 00:05:08.500 --> 00:05:12.340 little different. This, that or the other. The adventure crafts I carry every 82 00:05:12.340 --> 00:05:15.980 day. If I'm not carrying an adventure craft, I'm carrying a Jackalope and if I 83 00:05:15.980 --> 00:05:18.020 don't, I feel naked and, 84 00:05:20.020 --> 00:05:23.620 and so there's less chasing 85 00:05:23.620 --> 00:05:25.860 down new knife designs to review 86 00:05:28.520 --> 00:05:32.200 because I'm not chasing anymore. So that's been weird. 87 00:05:32.440 --> 00:05:36.200 It's been weird. Little bit of a shift from 88 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:40.840 I'm still no longer knife reviews but I've been shifting more towards 89 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.600 skill demons version. Okay, 90 00:05:45.320 --> 00:05:48.760 before we get to that, I want to ask you as a reviewer 91 00:05:50.200 --> 00:05:53.920 and I come against this in the videos I do and I 92 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.690 just personally, and I guess it's in my moniker, I 93 00:05:57.690 --> 00:06:00.490 love all types of knives, all types of knives, 94 00:06:01.370 --> 00:06:05.010 but there, there is a very slender fraction of the 95 00:06:05.010 --> 00:06:08.770 knives that I collect. I love to, to collect them and have all 96 00:06:08.770 --> 00:06:12.090 sorts of different stuff, but there's a very slender selection that I actually 97 00:06:12.730 --> 00:06:16.530 carry and use for you. What, what kind 98 00:06:16.530 --> 00:06:20.290 of Stuff did you like versus or do you like versus the 99 00:06:20.290 --> 00:06:23.510 kind of stuff that you carry and use what we look at them for in 100 00:06:23.510 --> 00:06:25.270 that perfect knife. So 101 00:06:27.270 --> 00:06:30.950 I've, so I mentioned I used to kind of be known 102 00:06:30.950 --> 00:06:34.710 for big knives. Now I'm known for the 103 00:06:34.710 --> 00:06:38.150 smallest fixed blade knives. But generally I like 104 00:06:38.550 --> 00:06:41.430 very practical designs. I think 105 00:06:42.630 --> 00:06:46.350 I've, and like most nice people, I've always been a nice 106 00:06:46.350 --> 00:06:49.830 guy. I found myself 107 00:06:50.660 --> 00:06:54.380 attracted to some visually appealing tactical 108 00:06:54.380 --> 00:06:57.740 knives before a combat 109 00:06:57.740 --> 00:07:01.300 deployment in about 2009. I, I, 110 00:07:03.540 --> 00:07:07.300 the, the only knife knives that I liked on deployment 111 00:07:07.300 --> 00:07:10.260 were a zero tolerance 0350. 112 00:07:11.380 --> 00:07:14.660 Okay. The original fat one, it was kind of like a, I think a strider. 113 00:07:15.540 --> 00:07:19.020 Yeah. And a Kershaw Leek. The other stuff that I had 114 00:07:19.020 --> 00:07:22.780 wasn't so good but you know, I guess 115 00:07:22.780 --> 00:07:26.300 I found myself becoming involved in survival 116 00:07:26.380 --> 00:07:29.340 and Bushcraft and moving 117 00:07:30.060 --> 00:07:33.020 somewhat away from tactically 118 00:07:34.700 --> 00:07:38.100 inspired knives or designs that I didn't find 119 00:07:38.100 --> 00:07:41.740 practical for my uses. And more into Bushcraft and 120 00:07:41.740 --> 00:07:45.450 survival blades I don't really have. I've got a couple knives that 121 00:07:45.450 --> 00:07:48.850 are pretty but very much. I stay 122 00:07:48.850 --> 00:07:52.570 fairly use oriented. Not because 123 00:07:52.570 --> 00:07:56.290 I have anything against collecting more because I 124 00:07:56.290 --> 00:08:00.130 can't afford to collect. I don't, I can't, I don't keep pretty things. You know, 125 00:08:00.530 --> 00:08:03.730 it's not my, I just can't. So 126 00:08:04.850 --> 00:08:08.410 yeah, yeah, I think, I think collectors have a certain 127 00:08:08.410 --> 00:08:11.980 DNA that, you know, if I could collect watches, if I could collect 128 00:08:12.140 --> 00:08:15.500 artwork, if I could collect cars and 129 00:08:15.820 --> 00:08:19.660 guitars and yeah, I think that's a mindset. 130 00:08:19.660 --> 00:08:23.420 But, but if you've got it nailed 131 00:08:23.420 --> 00:08:27.140 down to, to a use case that you can, that you can 132 00:08:27.140 --> 00:08:30.940 just really focus on that. That's, that's the grass, the greener 133 00:08:30.940 --> 00:08:34.260 grass for me. You mentioned 134 00:08:34.260 --> 00:08:38.090 Kukris and how you were co owner of a Nepalese 135 00:08:38.090 --> 00:08:41.050 kukri manufacturer. Tell me about that. How did that happen? 136 00:08:41.690 --> 00:08:45.370 That was weird. It was ex Gurkha Kukri House. It was early 137 00:08:45.450 --> 00:08:47.610 in my YouTube 138 00:08:49.530 --> 00:08:50.810 career. I don't know. 139 00:08:53.770 --> 00:08:56.810 I bought a few Kukris 140 00:08:58.250 --> 00:09:02.090 I was posting on YouTube. I believe 141 00:09:02.250 --> 00:09:05.810 I was posting, I don't think Instagram, I don't think I had an Instagram back 142 00:09:05.810 --> 00:09:09.010 then. Facebook, something like that. And 143 00:09:09.250 --> 00:09:12.570 ended up, I, I, I sent an email to 144 00:09:12.570 --> 00:09:16.250 Xkirka Kukri House with some ideas and I started 145 00:09:16.250 --> 00:09:17.970 talking with the owner at the time. 146 00:09:20.050 --> 00:09:23.810 We started talking back and forth. They actually came to America and 147 00:09:23.810 --> 00:09:27.490 stayed with me. I took them out shooting, did 148 00:09:27.490 --> 00:09:29.890 all kinds of stuff. They were over for Thanksgiving. 149 00:09:31.170 --> 00:09:34.670 I had to hide the cow skulls in the House type of thing, you know. 150 00:09:36.990 --> 00:09:40.830 Yeah. But we made a deal to where I handled 151 00:09:40.910 --> 00:09:44.110 all of the customer service 152 00:09:44.430 --> 00:09:47.630 for North America and Europe and 153 00:09:48.430 --> 00:09:51.790 I handled a little bit of technical stuff and ran an 154 00:09:51.790 --> 00:09:55.550 Amazon sales front and. And we split 155 00:09:55.550 --> 00:09:59.390 stuff and I also got to make my own knife designs 156 00:09:59.390 --> 00:10:03.000 at cost and sell those as well. And 157 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.708 so, man, that was 2014, 158 00:10:05.972 --> 00:10:07.160 2015, 159 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:13.080 and it was wild. We had, 160 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.440 we had a no questions asked lifetime guarantee, 161 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:21.160 but I had some issues with quality control that were supposed 162 00:10:21.160 --> 00:10:24.920 to be fixed and repeatedly they weren't fixed and we 163 00:10:24.920 --> 00:10:28.580 had to separate because of that. Yeah, I 164 00:10:28.580 --> 00:10:32.220 guess something like that can ruin your own reputation, you know, 165 00:10:32.220 --> 00:10:35.900 even. Even if it's not your originally your venture. 166 00:10:37.580 --> 00:10:41.220 Well, I want to talk about the birth of Exodus knife and tool and your 167 00:10:41.220 --> 00:10:44.860 inspirations and everything behind that, but yeah, you mentioned military 168 00:10:44.860 --> 00:10:48.700 deployment. First of all. Thank you for doing that. Thank you for serving this country. 169 00:10:49.420 --> 00:10:53.100 I. I enjoy the fruits of that. So I want to thank you. What, what 170 00:10:53.100 --> 00:10:56.540 branch of the military? Army. Army, 171 00:10:56.860 --> 00:10:58.940 yeah. So as an airborne infantryman 172 00:11:00.460 --> 00:11:02.940 had a little bit of a weird career path. 173 00:11:05.580 --> 00:11:09.420 I ended up in a CAV 174 00:11:09.500 --> 00:11:11.340 unit. So long story short, 175 00:11:13.420 --> 00:11:16.780 infantry guys and Cav units usually do recon. 176 00:11:17.750 --> 00:11:21.190 It doesn't really make sense, but the CAV is weird. So I was doing 177 00:11:21.190 --> 00:11:24.630 Arista, which do reca outside of the cav. 178 00:11:24.950 --> 00:11:28.750 Um, long range reconnaissance stuff. But then. So I 179 00:11:28.750 --> 00:11:31.990 was often attached with special Forces. Um, 180 00:11:32.470 --> 00:11:36.070 but I also. We were the only maneuver element for the fob. We drove 181 00:11:36.070 --> 00:11:39.190 around PsyOps and Civil affairs quite a bit 182 00:11:39.670 --> 00:11:43.430 and I ended up getting involved in military intelligence. And it was a 183 00:11:43.510 --> 00:11:47.260 weird, weird little experience. And it 184 00:11:48.380 --> 00:11:52.060 also kind of helped maybe build the foundation 185 00:11:52.140 --> 00:11:55.620 for my future views on knife designs and 186 00:11:55.620 --> 00:11:59.460 practicality. Because the main knife that I paid a lot 187 00:11:59.460 --> 00:12:03.180 of money to bring was horrible. And so, you know, 188 00:12:03.180 --> 00:12:06.180 I'm out here trying to do almost anything with it and just like, man, this 189 00:12:06.180 --> 00:12:09.940 knife sucks. Are you willing 190 00:12:09.940 --> 00:12:13.380 to divulge what the night was? Yeah. 191 00:12:13.620 --> 00:12:17.460 Let me say in their defense, it 192 00:12:17.460 --> 00:12:20.860 was a different world back then in the industry and it was a different company 193 00:12:20.860 --> 00:12:24.340 back then as well. It was Tots 194 00:12:24.420 --> 00:12:27.940 Dart. It was one of the first darts ever made in 195 00:12:27.940 --> 00:12:31.540 S30 volts. As I understand it, it rocks the 196 00:12:31.540 --> 00:12:35.180 S30 volts quite quickly because the heat seat would get all 197 00:12:35.180 --> 00:12:38.800 jacked up. But you know what's interesting about that? This is 198 00:12:38.800 --> 00:12:42.560 2009, 2010, before 199 00:12:42.560 --> 00:12:46.360 Laren Thomas. All right. The. The world was 200 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:49.520 still very much based on like bro. Science, lifting, 201 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:53.760 martial arts, metallurgy, knives, steels. 202 00:12:54.880 --> 00:12:58.480 I still come up across some of these 203 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:02.920 really old knife steel performance charts from, 204 00:13:03.070 --> 00:13:06.710 from that era that are for some reason just still on the Internet. And 205 00:13:06.710 --> 00:13:10.270 I'll look at what they post and I'll be like 206 00:13:10.990 --> 00:13:14.790 where, where did they even come up with this? This is ridiculous. This is 207 00:13:14.790 --> 00:13:18.030 based on nothing. Back at that time 208 00:13:18.430 --> 00:13:21.870 tops knives you had to pay extra if you wanted to knife 209 00:13:21.870 --> 00:13:25.670 sharp. So you know there, I 210 00:13:25.670 --> 00:13:29.390 still hear this sometimes by the way. There was this belief that a sharp 211 00:13:29.390 --> 00:13:32.970 knife was weaker basically like if it was 212 00:13:32.970 --> 00:13:36.250 sharp. This idea of 213 00:13:38.890 --> 00:13:42.570 believing that sharpness had to do with the acuity of 214 00:13:42.650 --> 00:13:46.330 the edge. You know, a more, a thinner edge was 215 00:13:46.409 --> 00:13:50.250 sharper. We know so much more about edges or especially in the 216 00:13:50.250 --> 00:13:53.690 industry now. But it said right on the website 217 00:13:56.100 --> 00:13:59.300 we make work knives, they're made to be tough. 218 00:14:00.500 --> 00:14:04.260 You can pay extra for it to be sharp 219 00:14:05.060 --> 00:14:08.820 but it won't be as hot. It 220 00:14:08.820 --> 00:14:12.460 was awful. So truly sharpened pry bars at the 221 00:14:12.460 --> 00:14:16.180 time. Yeah, yeah, sharpened pry bar that I 222 00:14:16.180 --> 00:14:19.900 could never get sharp. I wasn't also wasn't skilled back and I 223 00:14:19.900 --> 00:14:23.730 wouldn't say that I'm skilled now but a whole lot better than I was then 224 00:14:23.970 --> 00:14:27.770 anyways. You know I, I have another tops 225 00:14:27.770 --> 00:14:31.370 dart now for the sake of we there, there's some, you 226 00:14:31.370 --> 00:14:34.610 know, some handle geometry 227 00:14:35.330 --> 00:14:38.970 kind of issues and stuff like that still are behind 228 00:14:38.970 --> 00:14:42.450 the edge thickness on it even in 5160s at like 70 229 00:14:42.530 --> 00:14:46.330 thou around the belly. So still not a knife 230 00:14:46.330 --> 00:14:49.500 that I enjoy but the new one 231 00:14:49.900 --> 00:14:52.380 is much better than the one that I had there. 232 00:14:53.500 --> 00:14:57.020 Anyways. It looked really cool though. It was kukrish 233 00:14:58.460 --> 00:15:02.100 and the handle had a lot of hotspot issues. It 234 00:15:02.100 --> 00:15:05.580 was horrible to use. It was. You had to use a lot 235 00:15:05.660 --> 00:15:09.380 of pressure to use the knife because it was dull because 236 00:15:09.380 --> 00:15:12.740 the edge was so thick and then you had the 237 00:15:12.740 --> 00:15:16.440 squarish handle. So when you are using a lot of pressure, pressure on the knife, 238 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:19.080 the problems from hot spots are 239 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.400 much worse. And 240 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:29.880 so my idea of what a tactical knife 241 00:15:30.040 --> 00:15:33.160 was had to become after some of these 242 00:15:33.160 --> 00:15:35.640 experiences much more practical 243 00:15:36.760 --> 00:15:40.400 than tactical. Interesting because you know they, 244 00:15:40.400 --> 00:15:44.100 they built their, their business and their reputation on 245 00:15:44.820 --> 00:15:48.020 being you know a soldier's knife, being a 246 00:15:48.660 --> 00:15:52.500 high speed, low drag knife. And I love tops and you know 247 00:15:52.660 --> 00:15:56.220 as, as a collector, I love tops and you know as a guy who 248 00:15:56.220 --> 00:15:59.900 sometimes batons wood in the backyard, I love tops. But you 249 00:15:59.900 --> 00:16:03.500 know I've, I've never been out on patrol or 250 00:16:03.500 --> 00:16:07.060 done recon or whatever the kind of jobs were you were doing 251 00:16:07.060 --> 00:16:10.720 that. But yeah, it is 252 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.480 interesting because you would imagine that really what you need is 253 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.000 a knife that cuts. So let's talk about 254 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.520 how your experiences both with that 255 00:16:21.520 --> 00:16:24.920 kukri business and with your experiences on 256 00:16:24.920 --> 00:16:28.600 deployment with, with other knives that didn't really do the 257 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:32.440 job for you. Let's talk about how that led to Exodus knife and 258 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.770 tool. Well, I went 259 00:16:36.010 --> 00:16:39.210 for this adventure craft. I went for this 260 00:16:40.010 --> 00:16:43.050 very minimized and 261 00:16:43.290 --> 00:16:47.050 personalized Kuukko inspired 262 00:16:47.130 --> 00:16:47.530 design. 263 00:16:50.970 --> 00:16:54.770 There were another thing that inspired the design of this knife 264 00:16:54.770 --> 00:16:57.210 at that time was your traditional 265 00:16:58.010 --> 00:17:01.630 Bushcraft knife was always a Scandi, a zero 266 00:17:01.630 --> 00:17:05.390 ground Scandi. And I didn't understand it at the time like 267 00:17:05.390 --> 00:17:08.670 I do now, but there are all of these rules for these 268 00:17:08.670 --> 00:17:12.310 Scandi ground Bushcraft knives. You can't baton it, you can't 269 00:17:12.310 --> 00:17:15.950 cross grain baton, you can't do this, you can't do that. You're going to 270 00:17:15.950 --> 00:17:19.630 destroy the edge. Well, it's because the knives are zero ground, of course. 271 00:17:20.030 --> 00:17:23.830 But I remember thinking if, if we can't do 272 00:17:23.830 --> 00:17:27.549 all of these things with this knife, why, why not 273 00:17:27.549 --> 00:17:29.909 make it a third the size and weight 274 00:17:31.349 --> 00:17:34.589 and still not be able to do all of those things? But it's easier to 275 00:17:34.589 --> 00:17:38.309 carry. So, so what? 276 00:17:38.789 --> 00:17:42.589 Ultimately, for the sake of practicality, what we came up, what, what I came 277 00:17:42.589 --> 00:17:45.989 up with, this ended up being under 3 ounces with the 278 00:17:45.989 --> 00:17:49.829 sheath. It's as easy to carry, especially with an Ulti 279 00:17:49.829 --> 00:17:53.670 clip as a folding knife. But I baton these 280 00:17:53.670 --> 00:17:57.190 knives constantly. I can't tell you. 281 00:17:57.350 --> 00:18:01.110 I bet you I've made multiple thousands 282 00:18:01.270 --> 00:18:03.110 of feather sticks. 283 00:18:05.510 --> 00:18:09.270 I sell my knives, 284 00:18:09.670 --> 00:18:13.270 I believe to every segment of the market. 285 00:18:13.350 --> 00:18:15.030 But I think the core 286 00:18:18.320 --> 00:18:21.360 for my brand is the Bushcraft industry. And, and 287 00:18:22.080 --> 00:18:25.480 so what, what ends up working is the, the 288 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:29.240 survival knife that you have in a survival situation is, is the 289 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:32.480 knife that you have on you. So if you carry a 290 00:18:33.360 --> 00:18:36.640 knife or a survival knife every single day 291 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:40.600 because you enjoy using it and carrying it so much, then that's probably the one 292 00:18:40.600 --> 00:18:43.330 that you're going to have when you're in an emergency. That's part of the idea 293 00:18:43.330 --> 00:18:47.130 with the adventure craft. Just 294 00:18:47.690 --> 00:18:51.370 ease of use, modularity with 295 00:18:51.370 --> 00:18:55.130 the sheath. I've got one that I keep attached to my 296 00:18:55.130 --> 00:18:57.210 fillet knife or fishing 297 00:18:59.290 --> 00:19:02.970 and it just, all, it just all works together or 298 00:19:03.930 --> 00:19:07.730 there's, there's nothing, there's 299 00:19:07.730 --> 00:19:10.180 nothing on the adventure craft that, that is 300 00:19:12.740 --> 00:19:16.220 aesthetically designed that detracts from any kind of 301 00:19:16.220 --> 00:19:19.980 practical use in any way. And we've got long handle, the 302 00:19:19.980 --> 00:19:23.220 design of the handle locks into the hand despite being so thin. 303 00:19:23.620 --> 00:19:27.380 I can use this for a very long time. Comfortably 304 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:33.620 with the way that I use knives and it's just easy to carry. 305 00:19:33.780 --> 00:19:37.620 So it's what I use. You know, hold that up close to the 306 00:19:37.620 --> 00:19:41.340 camera and tell us about the dimensions. You know, 307 00:19:41.340 --> 00:19:44.580 we've got 7 inch overall length, 308 00:19:45.380 --> 00:19:49.220 3 inch blade, but we're only half an inch tall. 309 00:19:50.660 --> 00:19:53.940 Full flat grind, 8th of an inch thick, 310 00:19:54.420 --> 00:19:57.780 but our behind the edge thickness is below 311 00:19:58.340 --> 00:20:02.060 20,000. So being a 312 00:20:02.300 --> 00:20:05.580 full flat grind coming up to a 313 00:20:06.140 --> 00:20:09.500 eighth of an inch, we've got the beef 314 00:20:09.660 --> 00:20:13.460 to, to do the things that I love doing when 315 00:20:13.460 --> 00:20:17.100 I'm descaling fish. It's stiff enough so that that's not a 316 00:20:17.100 --> 00:20:20.940 problem. I don't like descaling fish with a fillet knife because the blade 317 00:20:20.940 --> 00:20:24.740 flexes so much when I'm popping the scales off. Don't have that 318 00:20:24.740 --> 00:20:28.430 issue with the adventure craft, but, but our behind the edge 319 00:20:28.430 --> 00:20:31.910 thickness usually varies between 16 to 18 thou. 320 00:20:32.310 --> 00:20:35.670 The guys at White River Knife and Tool do the most 321 00:20:35.830 --> 00:20:39.510 amazing production job. I mean, I'm, 322 00:20:39.750 --> 00:20:43.510 I'm so blessed to work with them. I still don't think that I 323 00:20:43.990 --> 00:20:47.430 deserve to work with them. It's, it's been 324 00:20:47.430 --> 00:20:51.270 amazing. But we, we still have what 325 00:20:51.270 --> 00:20:54.840 I would consider and I think what normal 326 00:20:54.840 --> 00:20:58.480 person would consider for production. I have great 327 00:20:58.560 --> 00:21:01.840 slicing capabilities, so I'll scrape 328 00:21:01.840 --> 00:21:05.680 gaskets for my jeep, I'll prep food 329 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:10.320 all. I'll. I'll descale the fish, 330 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:14.480 cut the fish's head off, prep the whole fish for grilling 331 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:19.160 and then I'll go and make a fire and baton. My kindling 332 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:22.920 up is. And make my feather sticks and strike my ferro rod, make my fire. 333 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:26.680 So it's only recently 334 00:21:26.840 --> 00:21:30.640 that I've started carrying this trout edition. I 335 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:34.360 try, I don't try to keep any special edition knives. I try and keep 336 00:21:34.360 --> 00:21:37.800 one of all of my standard options so that I use my 337 00:21:37.800 --> 00:21:41.520 standard colors so that when I show it off every day, it's 338 00:21:41.520 --> 00:21:45.330 something that people can get. Oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. 339 00:21:45.330 --> 00:21:49.050 I tried doing custom colors and stuff all the time. Custom options, handle 340 00:21:49.050 --> 00:21:52.450 materials and everything. And people 341 00:21:53.010 --> 00:21:56.810 tend to get frustrated when I show them 342 00:21:56.810 --> 00:22:00.050 my knife or post pictures on Instagram or do whatever it is that I do. 343 00:22:00.050 --> 00:22:03.610 And they're like, where can I get that? And I'm like, well, you can get 344 00:22:03.610 --> 00:22:07.450 something like it, but actually this color hasn't been available for two years and 345 00:22:07.450 --> 00:22:10.370 I don't know if it ever will be again. Well, what the crap, right? Right. 346 00:22:11.260 --> 00:22:15.020 Yeah. But this. So I've only started carrying that recently. 347 00:22:15.500 --> 00:22:19.300 I've got a mammoth cave version over there that I keep standard. 348 00:22:19.300 --> 00:22:22.820 But my standard is the high visibility that I 349 00:22:22.820 --> 00:22:26.660 carry the most. Not for aesthetic reasons, but red is the 350 00:22:26.660 --> 00:22:30.300 last color the human eye can see. As the rods and cones and rods 351 00:22:30.300 --> 00:22:34.140 shift to a low light situation. The red and white is 352 00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:37.750 high contrast. So this is my high visibility option. 353 00:22:37.910 --> 00:22:41.310 This was inspired by Kentucky. I'm here in 354 00:22:41.310 --> 00:22:44.830 Mammoth Cave and everything here is 355 00:22:44.830 --> 00:22:48.150 fluorescent neon green and orange. 356 00:22:48.870 --> 00:22:52.590 And so the traditional colors I didn't feel worked the best for me 357 00:22:52.590 --> 00:22:56.150 actually in the woods. And this does. So 358 00:22:57.270 --> 00:23:00.790 that's what I carry the most and use the most really. 359 00:23:01.760 --> 00:23:05.600 Mammoth Cave. I remember my dad and I went there on a. 360 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:09.440 A bonding trip years ago. And I've. I've always been a 361 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:13.160 little cave phobic, but. But man, 362 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:16.920 that was. That was so beautiful. What a beautiful part of Kentucky 363 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.720 too. But those caves are just outrageous. Oh, what. What makes 364 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:24.560 the Mammoth Cave edition Now how. How 365 00:23:24.560 --> 00:23:28.400 do you make that? Yeah. So I collaborated with 366 00:23:28.660 --> 00:23:32.100 Troma to do my brick builder 367 00:23:32.100 --> 00:23:35.300 edition scales, My trout addition 368 00:23:35.460 --> 00:23:39.300 scales, and these Mammoth Cave edition scales. 369 00:23:39.700 --> 00:23:43.500 And so due to the lighting, it might be hard to tell. 370 00:23:43.500 --> 00:23:47.180 But it's a topographical pattern built into the 371 00:23:47.180 --> 00:23:50.660 scale. And it's an actual map of Mammoth Cave national park 372 00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:54.860 on the scale. How cool. And the completely or fast. 373 00:23:56.300 --> 00:24:00.060 I would thing near say indestructible. I've never 374 00:24:00.060 --> 00:24:03.780 had anybody break one or 375 00:24:03.780 --> 00:24:07.180 wear one in any way. But also nicely grippy. 376 00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:11.820 So. Yeah. Yeah. It looks like the 377 00:24:11.820 --> 00:24:15.420 topographical pattern on that is in relief. Right? You can. Yes, 378 00:24:15.580 --> 00:24:18.780 correct. That's actually a tactile. Yeah. 379 00:24:19.180 --> 00:24:22.010 So yeah, it's. 380 00:24:22.970 --> 00:24:26.730 It's been cool. It's been cool. So what are your regular. 381 00:24:27.130 --> 00:24:30.330 You know, you have. You have these kind of limited editions like the one you're 382 00:24:30.330 --> 00:24:33.850 holding in your hand. What are your standard offerings? 383 00:24:34.490 --> 00:24:38.090 So this. The. The only standard that I have had 384 00:24:38.730 --> 00:24:42.490 is hi Vis. I've had to change my other 385 00:24:42.490 --> 00:24:46.330 standards up over the years as things changed. I used to 386 00:24:46.330 --> 00:24:49.960 have what was was called a low vis. And 387 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:53.120 so we custom blended Cerakote to make a 388 00:24:53.120 --> 00:24:56.880 parkerized color. And our 389 00:24:57.040 --> 00:25:00.880 Cerakote guys are like, hey, I don't like doing this. And it. The 390 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:04.080 blend got messed up sometimes to where it just looked black. 391 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:08.760 And so we moved away from that. Going forward, what we're going to have 392 00:25:08.760 --> 00:25:12.400 is two standard options. One will be high vis. 393 00:25:12.560 --> 00:25:16.350 And you know, red and 394 00:25:16.350 --> 00:25:19.910 white is not the best seller. And when you're around 395 00:25:20.070 --> 00:25:23.270 normal people, Red and white's going to be a hard sell. 396 00:25:23.590 --> 00:25:27.270 Right. People don't necessarily want think of adventure 397 00:25:27.270 --> 00:25:30.950 and Think of this. But our standard will be 398 00:25:31.110 --> 00:25:34.070 a nice stonewashed blade, 399 00:25:34.790 --> 00:25:38.150 liberty wood scales and a walnut color. 400 00:25:38.800 --> 00:25:41.840 Uh, so Liberty wood is a 401 00:25:44.080 --> 00:25:47.520 premium Baltic birch plywood. It's what 402 00:25:47.520 --> 00:25:50.640 skateboards are made out of by the same company usually. 403 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.520 So it's completely dimensionally stable, 404 00:25:54.080 --> 00:25:57.840 incredibly tough, won't warp, 405 00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:01.120 shrink, swell, crack. 406 00:26:02.320 --> 00:26:05.920 I want to give the 407 00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:08.800 vintage vibe that I'm looking for, the, the, 408 00:26:09.760 --> 00:26:13.560 the, the, the look, the vibe. But I want to have modern 409 00:26:13.560 --> 00:26:17.240 materials that are low to zero maintenance, 410 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:20.560 ideally zero maintenance, and that are just going to perform 411 00:26:21.280 --> 00:26:25.000 with no care in horrible conditions. And that 412 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:28.800 walnut look will. And the wood, obviously the wood grain 413 00:26:28.800 --> 00:26:31.930 and the walnut look will really 414 00:26:32.730 --> 00:26:36.530 like you said, the red and the white might not be what most people 415 00:26:36.530 --> 00:26:39.850 think of as adventure outdoors, but that wood will really 416 00:26:39.850 --> 00:26:43.530 evoke that. Yeah, it does. You know, I recently I was very 417 00:26:43.530 --> 00:26:45.770 blessed to talk to the folks at Turnbull 418 00:26:47.210 --> 00:26:50.890 and the firearms side of this crazy world we live in. 419 00:26:51.130 --> 00:26:54.810 Turnbull? Oh gosh. Turnbull 420 00:26:54.810 --> 00:26:56.810 Refinishing is the 421 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:02.160 premier refinishing 422 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:05.120 company that exists. So if you have this old 423 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:09.840 Winchester or Colt firearm from the early 1900s that's just 424 00:27:09.840 --> 00:27:13.600 beat up, you've got two options if you want to maintain 425 00:27:13.600 --> 00:27:17.040 its value. Leave it beat up is best for value 426 00:27:17.600 --> 00:27:21.360 or send it to Turnbull who will literally make it 427 00:27:22.080 --> 00:27:25.880 like new using oftentimes traditional 428 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:29.720 methods and will actually maintain value or increase value. 429 00:27:30.120 --> 00:27:33.800 They're the only people that I know that do that. Been following them for years. 430 00:27:34.520 --> 00:27:38.200 They came to the first ever blade show. Texas. 431 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:42.000 No, the second I think. And I went over there and 432 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.200 talked to him and I was able to get a bunch of knives, gun blued 433 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.970 by them, which was just insanely cool. 434 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.680 So you know, yeah, I want to go, 435 00:27:54.800 --> 00:27:58.400 I don't, I don't want to trace, chase any trends. 436 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.000 I don't want to add any feature 437 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:06.280 for visual appeal to get someone to 438 00:28:06.280 --> 00:28:10.120 purchase a knife. Especially if those visual 439 00:28:10.120 --> 00:28:13.680 appeal based features can take away from any practicality. 440 00:28:14.560 --> 00:28:16.330 So, so instead 441 00:28:18.330 --> 00:28:21.610 if I'm going to get visual appeal, it'll simply be by 442 00:28:22.090 --> 00:28:25.290 materials and colors, you know. Yeah, 443 00:28:25.610 --> 00:28:28.490 yeah. But all, all within a practical range. 444 00:28:31.370 --> 00:28:35.090 What is the Jackalope? So the 445 00:28:35.090 --> 00:28:37.770 Jackalope began 446 00:28:38.570 --> 00:28:41.300 as my small Fuko. 447 00:28:42.740 --> 00:28:46.380 And so what, what we're looking at between the adventure craft and the 448 00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:49.540 Jackalope here is we're looking at a balance 449 00:28:49.940 --> 00:28:53.620 of hard use, 450 00:28:53.780 --> 00:28:57.060 practicality versus variability. 451 00:28:58.020 --> 00:29:01.660 And I have become so used to using 452 00:29:01.660 --> 00:29:05.100 the adventure craft that I really don't have any 453 00:29:05.100 --> 00:29:08.660 comfort issues. I can feather 454 00:29:08.660 --> 00:29:11.940 stick with this thing for a long time and my hand won't get 455 00:29:12.100 --> 00:29:15.900 Tired muscle memory. All right. When a 456 00:29:15.900 --> 00:29:19.540 person first gets this knife, do one or two feather 457 00:29:19.540 --> 00:29:23.180 sticks with it, their hand starts getting a little bit sore, but it's 458 00:29:23.180 --> 00:29:26.860 really easy to carry. The idea with the Jackalope we 459 00:29:26.860 --> 00:29:30.660 want to achieve the same thing 460 00:29:31.460 --> 00:29:34.650 but we want to tip the balance 461 00:29:35.690 --> 00:29:38.730 towards comfort for use 462 00:29:39.850 --> 00:29:43.690 and we lose a little bit of the balance. For the everyday 463 00:29:43.690 --> 00:29:47.370 carry comfort we're a little larger, a little bit heavier 464 00:29:48.170 --> 00:29:51.890 but we're still at around 3 ounces. You can 465 00:29:51.890 --> 00:29:55.570 still everyday carry it. You can still in pocket carry it with an Ulti clip 466 00:29:55.570 --> 00:29:59.370 or in pocket shoes and you're going to have a little 467 00:29:59.370 --> 00:30:02.350 bit more, more long term comfort when doing 468 00:30:02.830 --> 00:30:06.030 high pressure knife uses. 469 00:30:08.750 --> 00:30:12.110 And it really. Even the Jackalope itself 470 00:30:12.350 --> 00:30:15.390 still being relatively short at 471 00:30:15.790 --> 00:30:19.470 3/4 of an inch tall, this 472 00:30:19.790 --> 00:30:23.390 could be a primary belt knife in almost 473 00:30:23.710 --> 00:30:27.090 any situation. But it's still a very small knife. 474 00:30:28.130 --> 00:30:31.690 Yeah, that's, that's what I was thinking. The, the adventure 475 00:30:31.690 --> 00:30:34.930 craft is kind of your edc. You always have it on you period. 476 00:30:35.570 --> 00:30:39.250 And the Jackalope is your camping 477 00:30:39.250 --> 00:30:42.970 knife or your backpacking knife or, or that kind of thing. Just 478 00:30:42.970 --> 00:30:46.770 a slightly larger. Is that blade about three and three 479 00:30:46.770 --> 00:30:50.330 quarters inches? This blade is about four inches. Four 480 00:30:50.330 --> 00:30:53.900 inches. I mean that, that, that is very edc. 481 00:30:53.980 --> 00:30:57.420 Well depending on what you carry. But I usually have a, 482 00:30:58.700 --> 00:31:02.420 about a 4 inch fixed blade on me. So just the, the 483 00:31:02.420 --> 00:31:05.740 blade height. I, we don't see a lot of short 484 00:31:05.820 --> 00:31:08.900 blades and typically when we do they are more 485 00:31:08.900 --> 00:31:11.900 EDC focused. They're maybe more fancy, 486 00:31:12.780 --> 00:31:15.500 more like letter openers. But 487 00:31:17.350 --> 00:31:21.110 I love SE and I love the ESEE3. But this 488 00:31:21.110 --> 00:31:24.670 knife is a lot easier to carry than an esee3. 489 00:31:24.670 --> 00:31:27.910 Like way easier to carry. 490 00:31:28.710 --> 00:31:31.910 So. But you, you can use it the same way. 491 00:31:32.950 --> 00:31:36.230 Yeah, that, that's probably half the width or half the 492 00:31:36.710 --> 00:31:40.350 height of an Etsy 3. Yeah. It's a dimension that we don't 493 00:31:40.350 --> 00:31:43.430 talk about very often. So it sounds kind of weird. Yeah. 494 00:31:44.070 --> 00:31:47.110 But, but you can see it a lot in, in your blades and I think 495 00:31:47.670 --> 00:31:50.950 and you mentioned the, the early spikes as a, 496 00:31:51.270 --> 00:31:54.990 an inspiration. That's one of the, one of the first fixed blade 497 00:31:54.990 --> 00:31:57.910 knives I ever carried were the Spikes. Because of that they, 498 00:31:59.270 --> 00:32:02.790 they fit easily on you and you still get a great 499 00:32:02.790 --> 00:32:05.670 length out of it. Yeah, that 500 00:32:06.710 --> 00:32:10.560 off topic but since we're nice nerding cold steel broke 501 00:32:10.560 --> 00:32:14.240 my heart. In 2009 the first knife I ever 502 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:18.000 purchased was a cold steel. So true flight thrower. In about 503 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:21.720 1995 or 6 bought it with my own 504 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.560 money. We went to Blade 505 00:32:25.560 --> 00:32:28.320 Tech in Tacoma, Washington, 506 00:32:29.120 --> 00:32:32.800 when they were a very new company making Kydex, 507 00:32:32.800 --> 00:32:36.360 which nobody had heard of at the time. And I had a Kydex sheath made 508 00:32:36.360 --> 00:32:39.740 for it. I think for my birthday my dad had that done. Um, but 509 00:32:40.540 --> 00:32:44.060 in. When I first got to Afghanistan, I ordered the 510 00:32:44.060 --> 00:32:47.700 spike and at that time it had. Cold steel had 511 00:32:47.700 --> 00:32:51.420 just gone through closing its American 512 00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:55.140 manufacturing. And I didn't realize that. And 513 00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:58.380 also that era of cold steel spikes did not come 514 00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:01.940 sharpened. They were just for penetration. And 515 00:33:01.940 --> 00:33:05.340 so that was a. That was a heartbreaking experience. 516 00:33:05.800 --> 00:33:09.160 I can't say I've had any experience 517 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:12.200 carrying the spike or using it because the only one I ever had 518 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:16.040 I got rid of real quick. It wasn't a knife, it was a 519 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.240 stabbing implement. Kind of weird because originally when I 520 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:23.800 first saw, as a kid first saw them, they came 521 00:33:23.800 --> 00:33:27.480 sharpened, they were a knife. They didn't for just, I think a very 522 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.920 short time. And then they went back to having an edge. Probably because nobody wanted 523 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:34.770 to buy it. Just to. Yeah, I have, I have some of the 524 00:33:34.770 --> 00:33:38.570 new generation spikes that came out like 2008 or something like that, 525 00:33:39.130 --> 00:33:42.410 but I have one of those originals and it was the. 526 00:33:42.810 --> 00:33:46.490 The Hawk Bill. Yep. And it is, it is sharp, 527 00:33:47.050 --> 00:33:50.770 but it is 316 of an inch and it is zero ground 528 00:33:50.770 --> 00:33:54.490 and it's very shallow. So it, it almost feels like it's not sharp. 529 00:33:54.650 --> 00:33:58.390 Right. With some, with some juice behind it. And you know, 530 00:33:58.390 --> 00:34:01.950 you could, you could make it work. But yeah, not, not so much cutting tool. 531 00:34:01.950 --> 00:34:05.350 You're not, you're not cutting the salami with that. I think I traded mine to 532 00:34:05.350 --> 00:34:08.830 a Czech soldier. I don't remember. Anyways, 533 00:34:09.070 --> 00:34:11.710 but so, but aesthetically though, 534 00:34:12.750 --> 00:34:16.310 man, and like you said with the, the, the 535 00:34:16.310 --> 00:34:19.950 Talon, I remember, I think they had three different blade 536 00:34:19.950 --> 00:34:23.670 shape options. I remember the Talon and I think the one that I 537 00:34:23.670 --> 00:34:26.939 liked the most was basically a Puukkove straight spine. 538 00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:31.579 But yeah, yeah, that was interesting. It's an interesting little 539 00:34:31.979 --> 00:34:35.819 tidbit of the market too. So I want to 540 00:34:35.819 --> 00:34:39.579 talk a little bit about how you got the word out as 541 00:34:39.579 --> 00:34:43.099 a business Exodus knife and tool. How 542 00:34:43.499 --> 00:34:47.179 first of all, how long have you been making the adventure 543 00:34:47.179 --> 00:34:50.899 craft? That was your first knife, right? Yeah. So we've been. I've been 544 00:34:50.899 --> 00:34:53.590 having that manufactured for me since I believe believe 545 00:34:53.990 --> 00:34:57.830 2018. And. But originally, again, 546 00:34:57.830 --> 00:35:00.550 it was manufactured by Mineral Mountain Hatchet Works. 547 00:35:02.310 --> 00:35:06.150 Mineral Mountain Hatchet Works is a company that I still love 548 00:35:06.150 --> 00:35:09.910 to this day, but they specialize in massive knives. 549 00:35:10.950 --> 00:35:14.750 And Ted Frizzell believe still owns it, 550 00:35:14.750 --> 00:35:18.510 although Kyle Kidder makes the knives now. But Ted called me one 551 00:35:18.510 --> 00:35:21.950 day. I had a pre order. We were already late 552 00:35:22.670 --> 00:35:26.230 on the pre order. So I think I. I think, I think I had about 553 00:35:26.230 --> 00:35:30.030 $6,000 worth of pre orders and I think we 554 00:35:30.030 --> 00:35:33.510 were about two months late. And he called me. I remember I got excited thinking 555 00:35:33.510 --> 00:35:36.590 he was going to tell me that they had shipped. And he was like, hey, 556 00:35:36.990 --> 00:35:39.950 we're not gonna make your knives. And 557 00:35:42.510 --> 00:35:46.310 his brother died, who was a co owner. They had a bunch of machines go 558 00:35:46.310 --> 00:35:49.710 down and he said they ruined as many knives as they made because they were 559 00:35:49.710 --> 00:35:53.530 so short. They would roll a little bit and there wasn't enough meat 560 00:35:53.530 --> 00:35:57.290 there in the knife to fix it when they made a mistake and they'd have 561 00:35:57.290 --> 00:36:00.610 to throw it in the trash and it was not profitable for them. 562 00:36:01.810 --> 00:36:05.610 Again, I will still buy from Minimal Mountain Hatchet Works. They're 563 00:36:05.610 --> 00:36:08.050 great guys. But 564 00:36:10.850 --> 00:36:13.570 that brought me to White river, who I had just given 565 00:36:14.450 --> 00:36:17.410 nice manufacturer of the year after Blade Show. 566 00:36:18.530 --> 00:36:21.890 And I thought that they were too good to even reach out to. But 567 00:36:22.050 --> 00:36:24.930 after talking to 568 00:36:26.450 --> 00:36:30.250 Jason Te, I reached out and they were 569 00:36:30.250 --> 00:36:33.490 into it and it's just. It's been amazing ever since. So 570 00:36:34.450 --> 00:36:38.170 how I got the word out. You know, I have a small niche on 571 00:36:38.170 --> 00:36:41.850 YouTube. I was known for 572 00:36:41.850 --> 00:36:45.610 hard knife reviews and survival videos and 573 00:36:45.770 --> 00:36:49.370 Bushcrafting. I did the boot 574 00:36:49.370 --> 00:36:53.010 camp for season two of Alone. So I knew a lot of the Alone from 575 00:36:53.010 --> 00:36:54.250 the History Channel guys. 576 00:36:57.450 --> 00:37:01.130 And I don't know, man, honestly, it's 577 00:37:01.130 --> 00:37:04.850 been, it's been amazing. It's been. It's been a 578 00:37:04.850 --> 00:37:08.330 huge blessing. It's. It's far exceeded my own 579 00:37:08.680 --> 00:37:12.480 capabilities. The designs themselves, I think exceed 580 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.240 my capabilities. And it's. 581 00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:19.720 It's been amazing. I thank the Lord for it. It's been 582 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.960 made the path for me for sure. Absolutely. 583 00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.880 Mineral Mountain Hatchet Works. Just as a. An aside, I have 584 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.800 a small neck knife from them and 585 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.490 I bought it at a. Not a swap meet, 586 00:37:35.490 --> 00:37:38.370 but at a. What do you call it? Gun show. 587 00:37:39.810 --> 00:37:43.450 It wasn't a gun show. Yeah, for. For lack of a better term, it was 588 00:37:43.450 --> 00:37:47.010 basically a gun show. Right. But I, I bought it. Didn't know what it was, 589 00:37:47.010 --> 00:37:50.730 but it was small and I liked it. And for years I 590 00:37:50.730 --> 00:37:54.530 couldn't figure out what the logo was. And then after I started this channel, I 591 00:37:54.530 --> 00:37:57.810 asked someone and I found out who it was and I went to their website. 592 00:37:57.890 --> 00:38:01.480 I don't own anything else by them, but I was awed by their. 593 00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:04.680 Their cool. I mean, that's so my style. I love those big kind of Just 594 00:38:05.080 --> 00:38:08.840 agro style knives. Beautiful work too. And, 595 00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.360 and also kind of cool because they're not a name you hear every day. Right. 596 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.480 And they're great prices for what you get. 597 00:38:17.160 --> 00:38:20.840 So I was, my first ever preppers convention was 598 00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.440 in Mountain home, Arkansas in maybe 599 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:27.270 2014ish. And 600 00:38:29.990 --> 00:38:33.670 I was scrolling Craigslist, who knows why, because 601 00:38:33.910 --> 00:38:36.150 I'm dumb. And I just saw 602 00:38:37.670 --> 00:38:41.470 an ad for knives from Mineral Mountain Hatchet Works and it said 603 00:38:41.470 --> 00:38:45.270 we'll trade for guns. And that's how I found 604 00:38:45.270 --> 00:38:49.030 out about them was being in Arkansas and being on Craigslist. 605 00:38:49.830 --> 00:38:53.640 And so, you know, I don't, I don't 606 00:38:53.640 --> 00:38:57.400 know if maybe you were ever on. There was this 607 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:01.200 group meeting of the prepared minds on Facebook. There's obviously a 608 00:39:01.200 --> 00:39:04.960 ton of other groups on Facebook, but there's this like golden 609 00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:08.479 era of social media where these Facebook groups 610 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.880 were amazing and you could find out so 611 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:16.160 much. So you know, I got a Facebook group and people are like, oh yeah, 612 00:39:16.160 --> 00:39:19.450 I have a Mineral Mountain. I have, you know, people are, 613 00:39:22.130 --> 00:39:25.890 was. It was weird how amazingly social 614 00:39:25.890 --> 00:39:28.970 media worked as compared to now. And 615 00:39:30.490 --> 00:39:34.210 yeah, very niche. Very niche. Very cool though. Just great prices 616 00:39:34.210 --> 00:39:37.970 on. Ted Frizzell sent me a knife to review my Bullnoser. 617 00:39:37.970 --> 00:39:40.930 I still love it. And he was like, I don't care what you do to 618 00:39:40.930 --> 00:39:44.570 it. Like you can beat it with a steel hammer. I don't care. 619 00:39:44.890 --> 00:39:48.170 Like it's going to be fine. And it's just been 620 00:39:48.410 --> 00:39:52.050 amazing for, I don't know, seven years 621 00:39:52.050 --> 00:39:55.770 now. Great knives. Well then 622 00:39:55.770 --> 00:39:59.410 you find, you find yourself with White river knives 623 00:39:59.410 --> 00:40:03.010 or you don't find yourself, you, you got yourself in there. And I got to 624 00:40:03.010 --> 00:40:06.770 say, you're in great company. I mean there's some, they do a lot of 625 00:40:06.770 --> 00:40:10.000 beautiful in house stuff and then 626 00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.640 they have a lot of really accomplished designers that, 627 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.520 whose designs they make. So that's a feather in your 628 00:40:18.520 --> 00:40:21.960 cap right there. It's amazing. Like I said, it's better than I deserve. 629 00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:25.559 Certainly. I think they have much bigger fish to 630 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:28.080 fry and it's awesome that they give me the time of day. 631 00:40:31.680 --> 00:40:35.530 You know, they, they made for cold steel. I 632 00:40:35.530 --> 00:40:38.770 don't remember the name of the model. Oh, 633 00:40:39.090 --> 00:40:42.690 the Republic. Yeah. Is that right? 634 00:40:42.690 --> 00:40:46.490 Yeah, yeah. They've made for se. They've 635 00:40:46.490 --> 00:40:50.250 made for, you know, countless other massive brands and 636 00:40:50.250 --> 00:40:54.050 again, I think, I think they're just going to get busier and 637 00:40:54.050 --> 00:40:57.810 busier. They are honestly 638 00:40:57.970 --> 00:41:01.410 great people and crazy hard workers. 639 00:41:02.200 --> 00:41:05.560 Um, I had an investor talk to me about 640 00:41:06.120 --> 00:41:09.800 starting that manufacturing plant here in Kentucky 641 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.760 and I told him, you don't want to do it like. 642 00:41:14.040 --> 00:41:17.400 And I would not want to be in the 643 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:21.200 Commangos to work as hard as they do. 644 00:41:21.200 --> 00:41:24.720 I mean, the guys, I don't know how they do it, especially when it comes 645 00:41:24.720 --> 00:41:26.840 to the shows. They'll go to the shows and 646 00:41:28.770 --> 00:41:32.050 they'll be up later than I'm up. They'll be up earlier than I'm up. They'll 647 00:41:32.050 --> 00:41:35.850 be working all day and they'll fly back. They'll be right back to 648 00:41:35.850 --> 00:41:39.650 work and I come back from Blade show and I need like a day 649 00:41:39.650 --> 00:41:41.650 or two. So 650 00:41:43.010 --> 00:41:46.690 decompress. Yeah, like I, I need some time, man. They're, 651 00:41:46.690 --> 00:41:50.290 they're, they're just, they're hard working people that are just as good as it 652 00:41:50.290 --> 00:41:53.810 gets. So they, they manufacture 653 00:41:53.810 --> 00:41:57.530 your knives that you sell, but they also 654 00:41:57.530 --> 00:42:01.290 have, they sell your model out of their shop too, 655 00:42:01.290 --> 00:42:03.010 right? Yeah. It's a very unique 656 00:42:04.850 --> 00:42:08.610 business relationship that we struck. They have the rights 657 00:42:08.610 --> 00:42:12.450 to distribution. So they have standard models that they sell on 658 00:42:12.930 --> 00:42:14.930 knives, ship free DLT 659 00:42:16.610 --> 00:42:20.130 everywhere, all across the world. We've got European distributors 660 00:42:20.130 --> 00:42:22.700 and, and all kinds of stuff that 661 00:42:23.980 --> 00:42:27.700 I, I get royalties on their sales and then 662 00:42:27.700 --> 00:42:30.700 I get the freedom to do what I want. 663 00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:34.900 And so that won't necessarily be the case 664 00:42:34.900 --> 00:42:38.660 for every model. Well, we've got some irons in the 665 00:42:38.660 --> 00:42:42.220 fire right now, and I'm not sure necessarily that 666 00:42:43.580 --> 00:42:47.260 that will be the agreement that we have. The Legionnaire combat 667 00:42:47.260 --> 00:42:50.880 knife that I'm working on right now, they might only 668 00:42:51.040 --> 00:42:53.840 have a version of that knife as a thrower, 669 00:42:54.640 --> 00:42:58.120 which would be really cool. They. John is involved with the 670 00:42:58.120 --> 00:43:00.800 nice brain stuff over there, 671 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.120 or they might carry it. It's just, it's just gonna depend. 672 00:43:06.160 --> 00:43:09.920 We'll go forward as we go forward and they'll be organic. But again, 673 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.400 yeah, it is, it is a bit of a unique business 674 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:18.230 relationship. So tell me about this Legionnaires combat 675 00:43:18.390 --> 00:43:21.830 combat knife. Well, I feel like an idiot now for not having 676 00:43:22.630 --> 00:43:24.950 the prototype on me. But 677 00:43:26.470 --> 00:43:30.230 I was watching, I'm. I'm a history guy. I 678 00:43:30.230 --> 00:43:33.910 was watching the. And I'm about to butcher this, which I believe 679 00:43:33.910 --> 00:43:35.990 it's the Siege of Jardinsville. 680 00:43:38.630 --> 00:43:42.390 It was a movie on Netflix and French Foreign Legion 681 00:43:42.470 --> 00:43:46.150 guys the bad guy in this movie and he's got a knife 682 00:43:46.150 --> 00:43:49.830 that looks like one of the 1900s bayonets, but it's 683 00:43:49.830 --> 00:43:53.550 shorter. And I started doing some research and I, 684 00:43:53.550 --> 00:43:57.350 I learned that the French Foreign Legion, or France itself, 685 00:43:57.590 --> 00:44:01.430 purchased World War I bayonets, mostly, you know, 686 00:44:01.430 --> 00:44:05.030 American and British, like Remington bayonets by the 687 00:44:05.030 --> 00:44:07.760 train truck load and 688 00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:11.840 Chopped half the blade off 689 00:44:12.640 --> 00:44:15.600 and used that as their combat knife 690 00:44:16.080 --> 00:44:19.680 beyond the year 2000. So we're talking about. These 691 00:44:19.680 --> 00:44:23.440 knives have been in service from the early 1900s in World War 692 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.880 I and are still in service after the year 693 00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.120 2000. Nobody knows about. 694 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:34.570 Ironically, very short blade 695 00:44:34.570 --> 00:44:38.370 profile like the knives that I have now. And 696 00:44:38.370 --> 00:44:42.130 so I want to do a production knife that pays homage to that. It 697 00:44:42.130 --> 00:44:45.690 will not be a bayonet, but 698 00:44:45.770 --> 00:44:49.370 shares 99% of the DNA 699 00:44:49.370 --> 00:44:52.170 outside of the bayonet mechanism, but with 700 00:44:52.490 --> 00:44:56.250 modernized ergonomics and geometry to make it very 701 00:44:56.250 --> 00:45:00.070 practical to use as a combat knife. You 702 00:45:00.070 --> 00:45:03.830 know, it's a project that I'm incredibly excited about. What's the 703 00:45:03.830 --> 00:45:07.630 blade profile? Is it a drop point or a spear point or so the one 704 00:45:07.630 --> 00:45:10.470 that. We'Re going to be working on is going to be a. A very 705 00:45:11.030 --> 00:45:14.790 simple bowie. It's 706 00:45:14.790 --> 00:45:18.630 got a swedge, but it will be a flat swedge. And 707 00:45:18.870 --> 00:45:22.390 that is because the one that I personally own is 708 00:45:22.470 --> 00:45:26.300 that way. And what I like about it is you have like, like you 709 00:45:26.300 --> 00:45:29.460 had on the bayonets, you have the fully rounded spine 710 00:45:30.340 --> 00:45:33.220 which is an incredible feature for strength. 711 00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:38.580 But then the swedge, the swedge can be sharp 712 00:45:38.660 --> 00:45:42.020 on the spine so that you can strike your ferro rod off of it. 713 00:45:43.380 --> 00:45:47.140 However, originally I think they had 714 00:45:47.380 --> 00:45:51.060 some private chop these blades apart 715 00:45:51.060 --> 00:45:54.260 and regrind them. So you can find examples of this 716 00:45:54.580 --> 00:45:58.310 combat knife that are drop point, that are bowie, that are 717 00:45:58.310 --> 00:46:02.030 all manner of different things. As long as it'll fit in their sheath. They 718 00:46:02.030 --> 00:46:05.110 didn't seem to care too much. So 719 00:46:06.230 --> 00:46:09.830 yeah, I'm gonna have to, I'm. Gonna have to look that up. That sounds 720 00:46:09.990 --> 00:46:13.830 really fascinating. The whole idea of. Because there are myths around 721 00:46:14.070 --> 00:46:17.590 like for instance, the sax. 722 00:46:17.830 --> 00:46:21.550 Oh, that's a broken sword. And that's why it looks like that. And I 723 00:46:21.550 --> 00:46:25.170 never thought that that was. I mean I know people have, have used broken 724 00:46:25.170 --> 00:46:28.970 swords as knives, but. But you hear these kind of 725 00:46:28.970 --> 00:46:32.610 myths, but this is an actual, a real knife 726 00:46:32.610 --> 00:46:36.370 that's been crafted from something so much 727 00:46:36.370 --> 00:46:40.050 older and is still in use. That. That sounds pretty cool. Yeah, 728 00:46:40.050 --> 00:46:43.330 it's a one. I also thought that was kind of 729 00:46:43.410 --> 00:46:47.130 ironic that when we think of a combat knife 730 00:46:47.130 --> 00:46:50.970 or really internationally, a lot of people when they 731 00:46:50.970 --> 00:46:53.170 think of a combat knife, they think of the Ka Bar. 732 00:46:55.020 --> 00:46:58.460 There's nothing wrong with that. But really 733 00:46:58.620 --> 00:47:02.420 in more conflicts all around the world and a lot 734 00:47:02.420 --> 00:47:06.140 of little conflicts that we probably never even hear about, the. This 735 00:47:06.140 --> 00:47:09.780 French foreign legions combat knife was probably 736 00:47:09.780 --> 00:47:12.620 more used more prevalently 737 00:47:13.980 --> 00:47:17.660 and for much longer and so, 738 00:47:17.900 --> 00:47:21.470 you know, again, I like the, the 739 00:47:21.470 --> 00:47:25.110 size package of the knife with the very. It 740 00:47:25.110 --> 00:47:28.790 is a early bayonet. So again, 741 00:47:28.870 --> 00:47:32.470 very short blade makes it packable for the 742 00:47:32.470 --> 00:47:36.150 length of it. The downside is 743 00:47:38.150 --> 00:47:41.790 for Bushcraft, if you're doing cross grain batoning and trying to 744 00:47:41.790 --> 00:47:45.190 make certain things, you don't have the blade height 745 00:47:45.190 --> 00:47:49.000 needed to get the depth that you would want for 746 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.560 crafting certain notches and stuff like that. 747 00:47:52.600 --> 00:47:55.720 But at that point you're getting pretty deep into Bushcraft anyways. 748 00:47:58.120 --> 00:48:01.960 But yeah, the carryability and the practicality of 749 00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.720 the design. Now if you buy one, you could. They're not that 750 00:48:05.720 --> 00:48:09.520 expensive actually. Once you've read the history, you know the niche 751 00:48:09.520 --> 00:48:12.120 and you look for it, you can find them because they made so many of 752 00:48:12.120 --> 00:48:15.730 them and so cheaply. Nobody wants them that much, 753 00:48:16.210 --> 00:48:19.930 I think because they're horribly impractical. That, that 754 00:48:19.930 --> 00:48:23.690 bayonet edge. Oh yeah. I don't know 755 00:48:23.690 --> 00:48:27.450 if that thing is a tenth behind 756 00:48:27.450 --> 00:48:31.090 the edge. I mean thick and 757 00:48:31.090 --> 00:48:34.930 so. And when it comes to 758 00:48:34.930 --> 00:48:38.680 pure collector's value, people would generally 759 00:48:38.680 --> 00:48:42.040 rather have the original bayonet, which is more rare because 760 00:48:42.120 --> 00:48:45.640 France did this to so many bayonets. Yeah, yeah. 761 00:48:45.720 --> 00:48:49.520 So I don't know, a hundred bucks, not that bad. It's 762 00:48:49.520 --> 00:48:51.080 cool little. Cool little niche. 763 00:48:53.560 --> 00:48:57.160 Well, tell me about your overall vision 764 00:48:57.160 --> 00:49:00.840 for Exodus knife and tool in terms of. I was, 765 00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.380 I just was looking at your website and you have pretty 766 00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:08.220 interesting kind of stipulations what 767 00:49:08.220 --> 00:49:11.540 you want these to be capable of. Describe that. 768 00:49:11.860 --> 00:49:15.700 So, yeah, I want what, what, what makes a nice 769 00:49:15.700 --> 00:49:18.500 practical. You know, because 770 00:49:20.580 --> 00:49:24.380 it's one, one thing that is odd to me 771 00:49:24.380 --> 00:49:27.780 is a, a Bushcrafter 772 00:49:28.660 --> 00:49:32.180 someone or a survivalist. Typically a Bushcrafter or 773 00:49:32.180 --> 00:49:35.920 survivalist is not a knife person. They 774 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:39.480 have a knife, they use the knife, 775 00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:44.200 but there's no emotional investment. It's another tool. 776 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:48.360 And, and I simply like knives more than that. 777 00:49:48.680 --> 00:49:52.360 But they will make do with whatever knife they have. And a lot of 778 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.480 times, you know, I went to, I've gone to Randall's Adventure training. A lot of 779 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:58.680 times it's an as seen 1095 or a TOPS or something like that. 780 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.720 And as much as I, I 781 00:50:03.040 --> 00:50:06.760 love the knife nerd dive that we do with new steels 782 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:10.320 and hardnesses and all of that when, when you get 783 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:13.920 away from our love of knives. The truth is, is 784 00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:18.600 you could normal knives, you could make do with a cheap knife or 785 00:50:18.600 --> 00:50:22.240 even a box cutter for 99% of the stuff that we nerd out about. 786 00:50:22.640 --> 00:50:26.410 All right, so what 787 00:50:26.410 --> 00:50:30.210 I want to offer are knives 788 00:50:30.210 --> 00:50:32.330 that Are like totally practical 789 00:50:34.090 --> 00:50:37.650 that are not too heavily invested in 790 00:50:37.650 --> 00:50:41.450 any trend or any, any current thing. 791 00:50:42.090 --> 00:50:44.810 There was a series of years 792 00:50:46.730 --> 00:50:48.890 where everything had an accent. 793 00:50:50.500 --> 00:50:53.540 You go to all the folding knives were 794 00:50:54.660 --> 00:50:57.780 80 thou behind the edge max toughness. 795 00:50:59.940 --> 00:51:03.700 I don't ever want to fall into something like that. So I want 796 00:51:03.700 --> 00:51:07.340 to release, I want to have a line of knives. I 797 00:51:07.340 --> 00:51:10.660 want all of them to be manufactured to our 798 00:51:10.660 --> 00:51:14.460 standards and 799 00:51:14.460 --> 00:51:18.310 I want them all to be completely practical for or the rules that 800 00:51:18.310 --> 00:51:21.870 they are intended for. And ultimately that 801 00:51:21.870 --> 00:51:25.190 practicality breeds versatility. So 802 00:51:25.830 --> 00:51:28.630 I will likely never have a fillet knife. 803 00:51:29.590 --> 00:51:33.270 I love my White river fillet knife, but a fillet knife 804 00:51:33.670 --> 00:51:37.030 is not a versatile tool in my opinion. 805 00:51:37.670 --> 00:51:41.390 It is a purpose driven tool and I want 806 00:51:41.390 --> 00:51:45.220 to have a line of knives where they 807 00:51:45.220 --> 00:51:48.660 could all be a one tool option, meaning 808 00:51:49.780 --> 00:51:53.380 you never plan to find yourself in an emergency with 809 00:51:53.380 --> 00:51:57.180 one tool. But if you find yourself in an emergency and you 810 00:51:57.180 --> 00:52:00.420 have one tool, if you're in an emergency and a few of your tools break, 811 00:52:00.740 --> 00:52:04.220 is every single tool versatile and 812 00:52:04.220 --> 00:52:08.060 practical enough to be used in ways in 813 00:52:08.060 --> 00:52:11.820 which it was not specifically intended? That's how 814 00:52:11.820 --> 00:52:15.060 I look at a one tool option. I want every single product that I release 815 00:52:15.140 --> 00:52:18.100 to be versatile enough to fit within that realm. 816 00:52:19.380 --> 00:52:23.060 So yeah, the term timeless keeps coming up 817 00:52:23.140 --> 00:52:25.220 in my mind when you talk about this because 818 00:52:27.140 --> 00:52:30.860 you know, you aim to buck against trends or not 819 00:52:30.860 --> 00:52:34.500 even to buck against them, but just ignore them all together 820 00:52:35.380 --> 00:52:39.050 for practicality. But your knives are also really nice to look 821 00:52:39.050 --> 00:52:42.050 at too. And that's a, to me, that's a nice 822 00:52:42.610 --> 00:52:46.450 side benefit because I'm shallow and I love the way knife 823 00:52:46.530 --> 00:52:50.010 knives look, you know, beautiful. I'm guilty 824 00:52:50.010 --> 00:52:53.770 myself. I want to mention one more thing. I 825 00:52:53.770 --> 00:52:57.330 don't. First off, I don't want to do anybody a disservice by 826 00:52:58.210 --> 00:53:01.930 being inspired by them and not mentioning it. I think that there's no shame 827 00:53:01.930 --> 00:53:05.780 in admitting, admitting that you're inspired by someone else. So that's something 828 00:53:05.780 --> 00:53:09.580 that's important to me. And I was so in the early years 829 00:53:09.580 --> 00:53:12.740 of my knife junkie ness, 830 00:53:14.820 --> 00:53:18.100 I was a member on Blade forums and 831 00:53:19.140 --> 00:53:22.740 the way that I saw the world, the premium 832 00:53:23.220 --> 00:53:25.780 custom Bushcraft knife was Fiddleback. 833 00:53:27.060 --> 00:53:30.610 Oh yeah, they were out of my price range. I 834 00:53:30.610 --> 00:53:34.410 actually got my first fiddle back recently and 835 00:53:34.410 --> 00:53:38.170 I won it. I should have bought one a decade ago, but 836 00:53:38.170 --> 00:53:41.890 I regardless. But I looked at the sales 837 00:53:41.890 --> 00:53:44.610 they'd have on blade forms, couldn't afford them. But I was like, 838 00:53:45.410 --> 00:53:48.930 that is my idea of this. So 839 00:53:51.650 --> 00:53:55.250 one of my the things that I think makes My designs work the 840 00:53:55.250 --> 00:53:59.060 best. Little swell 841 00:53:59.700 --> 00:54:03.460 on the pommel here allows the back 842 00:54:03.460 --> 00:54:07.300 of the knife to fit 843 00:54:07.300 --> 00:54:10.980 into the hand, into the palm, lock into the palm, 844 00:54:11.860 --> 00:54:15.500 despite the short blade height really well. And 845 00:54:15.500 --> 00:54:18.900 I got that from Andy Roy at Fiddleback 846 00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:22.640 Forge. You'll see my hand falls one right. Yeah, that little 847 00:54:22.640 --> 00:54:25.720 contour there. There are some things that 848 00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:30.440 I believe with these knives ended up 849 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.000 being well proportioned and visually 850 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:37.760 appealing. And I would say that 851 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.960 a lot of that came from influence from 852 00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:44.520 designers who are better than myself, like 853 00:54:44.520 --> 00:54:46.360 Andy Roy. And 854 00:54:48.930 --> 00:54:52.050 in Form Follows Function, 855 00:54:53.250 --> 00:54:56.890 it worked out well, thank the Lord. But you will never see a bottle 856 00:54:56.890 --> 00:55:00.610 opener on one of my knives. And 857 00:55:00.610 --> 00:55:04.330 although they may have their places for certain people, you'll never see a 858 00:55:04.330 --> 00:55:07.730 saw. I want to keep 859 00:55:08.130 --> 00:55:11.330 the design as clean as possible. And 860 00:55:12.050 --> 00:55:14.900 I do a of lot, lot of batoning. 861 00:55:18.100 --> 00:55:21.780 More than most bushcrafters probably. It's 862 00:55:21.780 --> 00:55:25.380 literally if I see a problem in the woods, I 863 00:55:25.380 --> 00:55:28.980 will often think about how I'm going to baton my way out of it. I 864 00:55:28.980 --> 00:55:32.820 think for me it's become an energy 865 00:55:33.220 --> 00:55:37.060 efficient way of accomplishing larger tasks. A lot of times 866 00:55:37.060 --> 00:55:40.790 with a smaller knife, however, that's not 867 00:55:40.790 --> 00:55:43.950 the purpose of my knives. Purpose is to cut. 868 00:55:44.430 --> 00:55:48.270 I like thin edge geometry. One knife that I absolutely love is 869 00:55:48.270 --> 00:55:51.830 my Mako from Gary Creeley. And we're. Oh yeah, 870 00:55:51.830 --> 00:55:54.190 yeah, we're about 10,000 behind the edge. 871 00:55:55.310 --> 00:55:57.710 It's thin, I love it. 872 00:55:59.230 --> 00:56:00.350 But it is 873 00:56:02.750 --> 00:56:06.500 fully invested in being a thin slicer. You 874 00:56:06.500 --> 00:56:09.940 likely won't ever see that from me either. You know, I want about 875 00:56:10.420 --> 00:56:12.980 15 to 17 thou behind the edge. 876 00:56:14.180 --> 00:56:17.900 I want acceptable slicing performance for real world 877 00:56:17.900 --> 00:56:21.700 tasks and uses. Not that his doesn't have that. So I'm saying. 878 00:56:21.700 --> 00:56:25.540 But I also will generally have toughness as a 879 00:56:25.540 --> 00:56:28.180 priority as well. I likely will never do a 880 00:56:29.620 --> 00:56:32.640 zero grind unless it's with certain 881 00:56:34.640 --> 00:56:38.480 whatever. I'm not gonna be doing a lot of zero grains, if any. 882 00:56:38.720 --> 00:56:42.480 And so, you know, again, I'm, I'm 883 00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.240 not a specialist. I'm looking for versatility. 884 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.800 Well, as we close, tell me about your the name 885 00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:54.640 Exodus knife and tool. Oh, that's fantastic. Well, I'm a 886 00:56:54.640 --> 00:56:58.070 Christian. That is the 887 00:56:59.830 --> 00:57:03.150 first and last way that I would define 888 00:57:03.150 --> 00:57:06.950 myself. Knives for the 889 00:57:06.950 --> 00:57:10.350 final Exodus was my original 890 00:57:10.350 --> 00:57:13.590 slogan. Something that I still go after. 891 00:57:15.990 --> 00:57:19.590 My eschatology would be historic free mill, 892 00:57:20.150 --> 00:57:23.870 technically dispensationalist, but not dispensationalist 893 00:57:23.870 --> 00:57:27.650 by current standards. That is 894 00:57:27.650 --> 00:57:31.330 to say that Christ is still coming, but the tribulation 895 00:57:31.410 --> 00:57:35.090 comes first. Okay. Not that 896 00:57:35.090 --> 00:57:38.770 that's going to matter to most people. But the idea in 897 00:57:38.770 --> 00:57:42.610 this theology and eschatology is there's a time where Christians will 898 00:57:42.610 --> 00:57:46.130 not be able to buy, sell, trade or own. And 899 00:57:47.650 --> 00:57:51.330 you'll need versatility if you're going to live in 900 00:57:51.330 --> 00:57:54.610 that world world. The tools that you're going to need are going to have to 901 00:57:54.610 --> 00:57:58.410 be versatile and practical and easy to carry and easy 902 00:57:58.410 --> 00:58:02.250 to use. And that's what I want my knives to be. Really. I 903 00:58:02.250 --> 00:58:06.010 mean, I should have led with that actually at this point, that's kind of 904 00:58:06.010 --> 00:58:09.330 a key principle. The X that I do for 905 00:58:09.330 --> 00:58:12.530 Exodus knife and tool is a cross that is 906 00:58:12.530 --> 00:58:15.890 diagonal as a cross that is being carried. 907 00:58:18.180 --> 00:58:21.220 And so that is a core 908 00:58:22.100 --> 00:58:25.900 principle here. The bomb is the ordnance logo. Long story 909 00:58:25.900 --> 00:58:29.500 short, my original logo was a barrel proof stamp for an 910 00:58:29.500 --> 00:58:33.300 M1 Garand. When a firearm or a 911 00:58:33.460 --> 00:58:37.060 cannon was proof tested to make sure that it 912 00:58:37.060 --> 00:58:40.460 passed inspection and was safe to use, it was 913 00:58:40.460 --> 00:58:43.860 stamped with the ordnance logo that said that it's been 914 00:58:43.860 --> 00:58:47.410 inspected, it's passed inspection, it's ready for use. 915 00:58:47.970 --> 00:58:51.490 And that's what I want every product that carries my 916 00:58:51.650 --> 00:58:55.330 logo to be. How cool. I love it. And I love 917 00:58:55.330 --> 00:58:59.170 your explanation of, of your name. That's, that's pretty amazing. 918 00:58:59.970 --> 00:59:03.250 It's pretty, well, it's pretty 919 00:59:03.570 --> 00:59:07.130 deep. You know, it's a, it's, it's not just like you 920 00:59:07.130 --> 00:59:10.690 sound. You found a name that sounds cool, but you really 921 00:59:10.850 --> 00:59:14.120 found something that defines yourself and your brand. 922 00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:18.200 And I appreciate that. I'm 923 00:59:18.680 --> 00:59:22.280 kind of a nuanced person. I'm kind of a detail oriented person. 924 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:24.840 Again, we're nice people. So 925 00:59:26.520 --> 00:59:29.800 a little, little bit on the spectrum or something there maybe, I don't know, 926 00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:33.680 just care about details that our people don't. But it has to be, things have 927 00:59:33.680 --> 00:59:37.440 to have meaning for me. So. All right, maybe we'll crack that open in 928 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:41.000 our, in our interview for Patreon Patreon 929 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:44.710 patrons. But until then, Jacob, thank you so much for joining 930 00:59:44.710 --> 00:59:48.190 me on the Knife Junkie podcast. It's been a fascinating conversation 931 00:59:48.350 --> 00:59:52.110 and you've given me a new appreciation for your 932 00:59:52.110 --> 00:59:55.870 knives. I, I, I really admire them. So thanks for coming on the show, 933 00:59:55.870 --> 00:59:59.470 sir. My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. Knife themed shirts, 934 00:59:59.630 --> 01:00:02.826 hoodies, mugs, water bottles and more. Thenifejunkie.com 935 01:00:03.020 --> 01:00:06.790 shop do you like the sound. Of the alphanumeric 936 01:00:06.790 --> 01:00:10.560 combinations M390, 204p and 20cv 937 01:00:10.640 --> 01:00:13.680 but bristle at 8cr, 13mov and 938 01:00:13.680 --> 01:00:17.360 AUS8. You are a knife junkie. Probably 939 01:00:17.520 --> 01:00:21.120 worse. There he goes. Ladies and gentlemen, Jacob Peterson of 940 01:00:21.120 --> 01:00:24.879 Exodus Knife and tool. Like I said up front, I've 941 01:00:24.879 --> 01:00:28.600 been seeing his work a lot in some of the hands, in the hands of 942 01:00:28.600 --> 01:00:32.400 some of the most trusted people out there. And, well, I 943 01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:36.090 can't wait to get one in my hands. Be sure to check him 944 01:00:36.090 --> 01:00:39.610 out on YouTube and you can check him out at 945 01:00:40.250 --> 01:00:43.690 exodusknife and tool.com also on Instagram. 946 01:00:44.090 --> 01:00:47.810 And get your get your hands on one of these 947 01:00:47.810 --> 01:00:51.530 beautiful knives. All right. For Jim working his magic behind the switcher, I'm 948 01:00:51.530 --> 01:00:55.130 Bob DeMarco saying until next time, don't take Dull for an 949 01:00:55.130 --> 01:00:58.690 answer. Thanks for listening to the Knife Junkie podcast. If you 950 01:00:58.690 --> 01:01:02.010 enjoyed the show, please rate and review it. 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