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Welcome to the Knife Junkie Podcast. Your weekly dose of knife

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news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your

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host, Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco.

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Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast. I'm Bob DeMarco. On this

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edition of the show, I'm speaking with James Williams, luminary

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of the knife design and martial arts world.

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James spent many years serving in the US army and in the deep

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study of fighting at close range. He's codified his

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own system of armed and unarmed close quarters combat

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and has taught that system to military special operators of

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all ilk. I first met James in the Sheridan Hotel

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lobby during the Blade Show 2022 and

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we had our first conversation on this show later that year.

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I'm excited to have him back on the show for an examination of the intersection

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of real world martial arts, escalation of force and the

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use and design of fighting knives. We'll dive deep

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battlebox James, welcome back to the Knife Junkie podcast,

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sir. It's great to see you. Nice to see you again. Well Bob,

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to those who maybe didn't see the first episode, let's, let's just dive a

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little bit into your past, get a little context for the conversation we're

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gonna have. You served in the U.S. army? Yeah, I

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was in the army from 66 to 69.

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You know, I grew up. I grew up. I was born in the 40s,

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as. My Irish friends say, the Forties. I grew up going

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Catholic school with the Irish side. Had to start fighting at an early. Age whether

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I liked it or not. And I was actually a small

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kid growing up and I couldn't see and I didn't know that until

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second grade. I literally couldn't see your eyes from four feet away. I was legally

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blind without glasses and didn't know till second grade. So

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thick glasses, not a big kid. Knew kid school a lot because he

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moved a lot so in those days,

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fighting at school was a common thing. On the way to school, on the. Way

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back from school, I actually, I didn't,

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I didn't like it very much and I wasn't that good at it

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in the beginning. But when I look back, there was a code

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and I think the value of that when I see so many even guys going

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to the military now that have never actually been to fight, you know,

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and I'm just talking like a schoolyard fight, you know, not so.

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So it's kind of interesting. But so that kind of gave

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me a desire to be better at

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learning how to do that. Right. And so I've spent

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most of my entire life at different levels of different things

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doing stuff like that and not

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always under controlled circumstances, shall we say.

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And I was really fortunate at

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one point to.

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Meet Donna J. Sensei and have a look into

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the old Cody. With the old systems. Right.

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So I wrestled, I wrestled a bit in high school and college. I

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coached wrestling, I boxed, I kickboxed, I was

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successful at. Somehow they found people I could beat in the 70s.

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So I was a successful kickboxer with a really

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amazing teacher, Frank Scalercio Jr. Who the best

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martial artist nobody's ever heard of. And he

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brought boxing and boxing from Boba Olsen. So he trained at

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boxing with former. Middleweight champ Boba Olsen.

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Oriental Martial Arts 64, 65. I got a motorcycle

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so I could drive across town and be shot in the Yoko Nawatei.

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So I've studied several karate Systems, Tan. So Dr.

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Taekwondo showing you

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Filipino systems, Chinese systems,

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Russian. Yeah. Stuff from all over.

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It's been very, very interested in

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continuing. To expand and see what actually people did, how and

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why. Been

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quite involved with teaching military special operations and not just

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ours and having other

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experiences plus working with them.

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And realizing the difference between engagement,

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reciprocity and art.

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So almost everything we call martial arts now involve engagement and

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reciprocity. And almost all of them are based on, are sport based of some kind.

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It may be violent sports. Right.

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The problem when you have lethality is engagement, reciprocity

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is that it's, it's,

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there's a. The risk factor really climbs. Ih

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killing in ancient Japan was common.

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Because you've got two people standing 6, 7, 8ft apart with

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30 inches of steel and. Yeah. And you know,

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and even those swords, catastrophic, you know, doesn't

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necessarily stop the. Other person in the moment. Right. And

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knives especially. A lot of times it just feels like a bumper. You don't

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even know until afterwards, you know, what's, what's going on and

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even shooting people. And ask anybody. It was in 93 in the battle of the

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Black Sea in Somalia. Black Hawk down, the movie in the.

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Book, you know, they were using green. Tip, you know,

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bang pop, right? And people shooting back and they're like

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hitting them because it's just penetrating through, right?

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Those guys have changed. They're using different ammo. That

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was. That was a call from people in logistics. We

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have a lot of this because. The Russians do not come from full. So here's

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a whole bunch of ammo. Problem is that ammo is not designed for what we're

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doing. Didn't work very well. But anyway, so.

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So working into systems

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that were designed not to have engagement

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reciprocity started

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right around 1980. I'd done stuff with Aikido, but

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I wouldn't consider that a martial art before. We continue,

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because I want to hear about this engagement reciprocity concept.

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But you mentioned a whole bunch of different martial arts. And I know a lot

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of us know you from your knife design. We may assume

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your. Your various designs from knives. We may assume that

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you're very heavily steeped in the Japanese fighting systems.

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But you mentioned all these different fighting systems. You mentioned

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Russian, Filipino, Chinese. What is the through

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line? We all have the same human body. What's the through

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line between all? So the thing that makes the biggest.

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Difference is the operating system.

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And where I found that first time that I found that was

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in Yanagiri with Anjei Sensei, who

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inherited that from Yoshikenji Sensei, the son of Yokita

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Kotaro Yota Kotaro is well known. And.

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Yoshikenji came over here just before the Second World War and

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then was interned in a camp. Due to war.

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Camp Topaz. I mean, got out just as things. Were

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turning in the war, but he. Had to go to the east coast. And that's

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why I'm Jason met him. And so that was my

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first look into a different psycho, A

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whole different strategy of engagement because

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everything else had been engagement of reciprocity blocks

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and all kinds of stuff. Although I have to

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say the Filipino. System, Dosi Pares and

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Omen Kenyete was really slick. Much, much, much different.

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I've trained with Lenny Perses Priestess personally, but that kind of stuff

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back and forth. That's not Little Man Yeti did. I guess I

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can tell that story though. Everybody's dead. So Frank

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was over there, late 70s. He actually

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had a house in the Philippines. And so he's. They

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were out. They were out in the bush, out in the jungle. And they were

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having this whole little. Competition going on and old man Can

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Yeti was kicking everybody's ass. And so Frank's talking to Remedy, says,

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hey, you need to go fight this guy. And he's like, do you want to

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do it? So Frank said, I'll go fight him. This was typical of Frank, right?

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Did it with Bobo, Olsen got in the ring with Bobo, found out I don't

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know how to box. I'm an 8 degree or a 6. Degree, and dogs are

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going to know. How to box anyway. And so, you know,

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old man kicked his ass. And so I came back and said,

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no, he's my teacher now. You wouldn't even fight him.

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And so we changed what we were doing with the. With our niece into

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the dosupadis. And that was way slicker. Not the clanging,

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bashing, lot of, lot. Lot more sophisticated

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movement that made a. Lot more sense in the moment if you have.

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If you have an edge weapon. And so,

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so that was kind of a little look, but I wasn't ready for it. So

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psychologically at the time. I actually went by on J. Sensei's

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dojo in 1969

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because I had a Cuban girlfriend that just escaped Castro, actually,

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and she lived out in part of la that was close

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to where he had done them. Were driving by and saying, ancient samurai

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martial arts. I didn't see that again until 1980. Right.

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So. But it took me a while to. You know, realized

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that there were some other things out there. I

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came back and got involved with aikido from a gentleman I'd known before

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who was Marine Pacific Campaign, badly wounded in

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Guadalcanal, also was a

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Marine amateur boxing champion. And

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I just realized they didn't have anything that could even do anything

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against someone like me. What are we going to do with something else? Right. I'd

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had way too much experience at that point in time.

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And so you're talking about Aikido had nothing. Yeah, yeah.

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There was just nothing there in the process. And they kept talking about this, but

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it wasn't something that they could make work.

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Right. Not on someone like me. Now at that point, I

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wrestled. Coach wrestling, boxing, kickboxing,

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different styles of karate, Filipino arts,

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stuff that happened and other, other things that were not organized,

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shall we say. And so, you know, and I'm not a small

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person. And so

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one day just got frustrated. With me and he pointed to this. Guy that used

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to work out in the back of the. Of the dojo was a cafeteria

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at the University of California, San

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Diego. And So

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I started, started training with him, who was a student

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adjacent, one of the instructors. And I realized, oh, this is the stuff they

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actually used for war. It's really different, right?

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And so, so I started on that path.

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Still did other things. I remember I heard

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Mitchumashta, which is probably good too. Hadn't been in

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contact with him a long time. Heard about the Gracies,

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let my brother in law know. We met Rusty in college.

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We. We got a fight on the mat. He had butted me. He said I

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had buttoned for us, but he's not true and got suspended for a week and

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became best friends. And later on I married his little sister, right? But I gave

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him. I said, hey, these guys are doing this, so why don't you go check

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it out, right? So, you know, after a few months I said, so what's

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the difference? He said, you got to come up, right? So I drove up

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there after one of Hunter's classes and rolled

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around with. Hodion and was like, oh, this is really different, okay.

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And so I started going up to the Gracies. I'd go up and train that

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when. You'Re not to be with Don Que Sensei. And then I'd go to.

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Then I'd go to the Gracie's afterwards. And my brother ended up

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becoming one of the Dirty Dozen, the first

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of the black belts, right? I think he's a fourth or fifth degree

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that he was fourth to be a long time ago

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and had my boys do that, which is a lot of fun.

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So I've just always, if there's something. New to learn,

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I want to see. What'S the value in it, right?

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And grappling is really valuable. It's

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just not an efficient way to. Solve problems, especially when you get in the big

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world. What do you mean? What do you mean? Well,

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so say what we call everybody. Thinks

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jujitsu now they think Brazilian Jiu. Jitsu, which is the Ne Waza and Katame

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Waza of Jiu Jitsu ground grappling techniques from Jiu Jitsu

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styles. It's more, it's more the ground grappling part of

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modern judo because you've taken out all the

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stri. All the other things that are involved in all that. Because you know,

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kenjutsu is the omote, right? And if kenjutsu

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is the omote in Jiu Jitsu's order. So a lot of those things

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happened. When you had swords in the moment. You cut close

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together or something, you had to do something. But it couldn't be, you know,

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it. Couldn'T be grabbing somebody, rolling around, you. Know, when

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they're carrying multiple other tools. You've got multiple other opponents.

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Right. That doesn't mean it's not. Doesn't have value. I start.

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You're avoiding going to the ground. You got your swords locked up. You

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can't just roll the. Yeah, so. So all kinds of little stripes,

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all. Kinds of little floor. All kinds of things meet up that part.

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Right. So you take all of that stuff out.

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Even some of the reverse hand techniques, you know, like from. I could do jitsu

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and stuff like that. And then the catching horse and a couple things. Oh, no,

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that's. You can't do that. Okay. I just want to see if it work. Right.

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But you know, that doesn't mean it. Doesn'T have value because the only way you

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could actually get a lot of time and be used to people and. Relaxing and

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seeing things is if there's not a lot of consequence.

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It's just that now people start thinking. That that's something used.

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I mean, it's even taught at some of the special operations

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places here. Like that's. And it's not how to solve problems there.

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So the reason I spent time going out there was because there was

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people out there that realized that this is not a solution for us in

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the environments that we're in. So those, those

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words Japanese are really the Germans. I always say the Germans are the

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oriental race. Their trains are so much on time. If your train's

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45 second early, don't get on it. It's not your train.

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I know. I was two stops when I realized. This isn't my

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train. Right. I had to go back.

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But their languages are not as specific with their language where

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German based English is. You know, we're very precise, much more precise.

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So you know, bunjutsu, they. They kind of brush terms

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back and. Forth quite a bit. So, you know, modern jiu

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jitsu is a doe art, basically. Okay. You know,

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dough meaning art, not the combative. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't mean.

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It doesn't mean war in that sense way. Right.

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Versus jutsu. But they, they blur it a lot themselves. So I'm not.

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Not Chris. I'm sure that was called, you know, jiu jitsu at the time,

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but it's just that taken out all kinds of stuff and,

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you know, and the operating system has changed

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enormously as well because you now have little point system and you

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have time. So even the Gracies in the early days,

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those things might take 20 minutes. Yeah, right. You know, you went

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until somebody Got a submission. Otherwise it's like, what's the big

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deal? So more of a chess match than a death match in

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that way, for. That kind of stuff. Right. In

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Dixon, when you fight, you know. You just have a couple of guys

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with them. So you keep people away. Well, you can't always do that.

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If they have tools, that changes things a lot. I mean, there's so many factors

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that. Come involved in that. And so, you know,

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Mars is, I. Would say Mars is the God of war. War is about killing

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people and breaking shit. It's done with tools, arts, ability, your

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opponent without having them do it to you.

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So going back and forth like a. Firefight, there's no art, There might be skill,

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right? So some of the guys I worked. With, the art, they're just

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hunting down. And probably one to one, they killed.

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That small group of men, killed way. More people than any of the presence.

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Patrols or any of that kind of stuff did. Most time those guys get in

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firefight, cast or indirect fire, come in and close

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air support and really help with the

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situation. Shall we say those guys

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hunted. They go in, they hunt. That's all they do for the time they're there.

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And they go from, this is not. Yeah,

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they'll go. If they'll hit a target and then they'll

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get the info and hit another one, and then another one, maybe two or three

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more in the night. So they're not working with engagement. Nobody

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knows ahead of time what they're doing, you know, and so they're catching

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everybody by surprise. Right? I mean, your job is

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to take. Out specific people, it's not to get in. Right, right. So.

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So when you're looking at the highest level samurai, very

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much like that, except you'll see each other.

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Right. So what you're doing is

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you're managing yourself in a completely different way

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than like the way I used to win fights

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a long time ago. Busted hands and

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$10,600 worth of teeth. A couple of years ago I didn't. Put them all back,

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but I had. To put enough of them back so I could teeth properly. You

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know, I can't do, unfortunately, I can't do anything about the brain cells. So.

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But yeah, it's. It's not

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leverage based, not strength based. You.

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And people say, well, where, where do. You get the energy and stuff like striking

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Yukal? Robco is very good at this, by the way. By the way, Systemo is

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very interesting for me. Systema. Russian system. Yeah,

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yeah, systema. And I see a lot of people. Saying, oh, they Blow it off.

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But, you know, I've been under that fist, you know, I've got pictures of me

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all bruised up and everything. I, I went to Russia,

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you know, 9, 11, you know, I'm

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supposed to be, you're supposed to be there that month, but you had to be

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a couple more months. You couldn't get a thing. So I literally,

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I'd seen a thing at Toby Threadbills in Texas.

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They had this video, this Russian guy, you know, doing stuff

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and kind of making fun of it. And I'm like looking at it and I'm

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thinking, where'd the Russians get this? After about 10 minutes ago, no,

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guys, this guy's good. And I think they're really good. So I gotta find this

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guy. So, so I ended up going up. To Toronto and then

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going to Russia times and in training

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with them. And, and it's just a very,

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very different operating system. It's really odd to me that you get. The

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only thing that makes it make sense is they're both sword based arts.

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Really. Systema system is a sword based art. I've got pictures

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of me, you know, with sailor's nisha knight down in his basement.

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Right. Let me tell you my, my impression just from the videos I've

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seen online, it looks like magic. And, and, and to me, you

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know, I wanted to get back to this engagement and reciprocity concept.

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To me that looks like the ultimate expression of that. But,

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but I also know that it's used and that people like

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yourself, like actually have learned to

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functionalize it and, and use it.

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Tell me, let, let's go to the engagement and reciprocity

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concept and break it out. Okay, different.

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So, so there's a fundamental concept in high level tendency called uto

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nashi no kata. Okay. And that means silent

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victory. No touching the blades. Okay, so here

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we are. You've got some nice background. Here we are. My job

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is to cut you down without touching your blade or having touch mine

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or if we do, it's in the same movement called Kubrick.

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No, no, no. Separation between

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packing, defense. Okay, so how are

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you going to do that? Right? You guys good at lots of, you know, all

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this and, but this is a

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completely different thing. I can't use that operating system.

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So how can I hide movement? Right? Because

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the origin of movement and stuff, including the origin in your

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mind, especially. Where your mind is, can be perceptible to people.

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Right? Well, how do you hide that? Okay, well, first

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you have to start turning all that flexing and all that stuff

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off and that Is a process, right?

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And so I've sometimes played. Actually one of my students

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brought this. In my dojo in California, which is two blocks from the beach, right

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on the surfer. And it was, it was from a movie. I can't remember the

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name of it. But guy is kind of wanted to go

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surfing. And so it's this guy who called himself Kunu,

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right? And he's like, don't, don't do anything. Don't do

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it. Don't try to surf, right? That's a whole little monologue

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on time. Because I'm constantly telling, no, you can't do that. You can't flex muscle,

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do this. If I'm raising this up, I can't use these muscles in

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the process, right? And you literally get to where like if

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someone's. If I'm holding the hand out like

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this, right, you can feel if I. If I'm using my

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anterior belt and. Trying to do that. If I don't, instead of the

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pressure. Going here to here into your base. It ticks you,

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right? And so. And it's like a push

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versus a reach. If I push, do all that kind of stuff,

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if I flex, right? It goes to your feet. And so

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now we have a contest. If I reach, it doesn't go to your feet and

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you can't access them and remove, right? And

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why was that important? When I cut you with the sword. I need to called

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Kuyushi. I need to gather unbalance you with the cut.

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Because if I don't and we're both. Moving

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well, what are the chances of me getting stabbed? Those swords

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do a lot of damage fast. Didn't have lifelight blood.

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Like, you know, you might, you might. Bleed out slower than the other guy.

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But, but, but the bottom line is so. Well, so how do you

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do that? Because so that you can hold different study

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for them. It's like punching when people see Misha

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hardly knew. I can tell you. And I've got pictures. First day in Russia, I'm

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bruised all up, right? And it's like

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because, because you're using. A

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different operating system. So at this point, when I'm teaching students, you've got your fear

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based fight flight and against the operating system.

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Then you've got what I call a faith based operating system.

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Okay. So we're actually all living by faith. Every moment of every day.

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Even you, Dick Dawkins. Your logic is

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there's a thing that came on who's called himself a cultural Christian. He was lamenting

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what was happening and everything. And I'm like Get a podcast out of

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Austrian Obseania. Your logic here is as bad as your science, right?

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Anyway, so.

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You have gravity. And you have

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mass. And any movement

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then is going to. Mean there's energy there. I don't have to

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flex to make it happen. On the contrary, if I flex, I can take

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away. So like in my garage, I have my workout stuff in my garage. I've

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got a 100 pound kettlebell. You know, I can actually let it go

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and bend down, touch the floor faster than it can get there.

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But when that hits the ground, £100 like that, you're thinking, I don't drop it

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on my concrete in my garage. I think it'll crack the concrete,

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right? Well, what if you could take and use velocity

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and use that mass instead of all the flexing, pushing, you know,

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Bubble used to kick us in the calf. So that's your punching muscle

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and you can just let that go like that. And it all transferred

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all that energy, right? Well, oh, that's, that's

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a huge amount of energy, right? And so once you

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feel that, you. Realize, man, how do you get, how do you get to be

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able to do that? Well, you have to quit doing. You have to quit

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doing it in the sense of I've got to do it. And

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it's the same with the cut. It's the same with all of that stuff, right?

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And so, so and, and

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the more I process all figures how it works. And everything

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when I'm teaching. Ky told me this years and years

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ago. He said o. His grandfather, he said,

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grandfather got faster as he got older.

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Well, I'm, I'm taking less

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time now that I'm older, you know, and I'm closing in on 80

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year, right. I'm not a young person, so,

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so but because I'm not using all of

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the reflexes and stuff to do that, it's a different

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connection. And when you actually tie everything into. Your

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center of movement, right? You actually tie

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everything into your center of movement. And all you have to do is. Move that

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like maybe back three inches. Hit back three inches and this

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takes place, right? Well, there's none of you doing any of that.

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There's no little things happening. It's like it's all connected

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as this rotates. This rotates. I don't rotate it

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separately. So you spend all this time taking away things that actually got

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in the way. What does that or what? Yeah, yeah.

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Psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, right. You know, I keep looking at

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that guy in the mirror, you don't listen that you're the problem,

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I mean that's. The same in all sort of creative pursuits. Just eliminating

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the stuff that's not getting. Yourself out of the way. All of your

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stuff, Right. All of your, all your fear based stuff.

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Because the fight flight is a fear based mechanism.

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Right. And now can you use it? Sure. Is it best? No.

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The more you use it, especially in some

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situations, the more feedback you get as well,

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more ptsd, you're going to end up with some stuff as well. So is this

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where the faith part comes in? You mentioned faith based operations. So

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we'll start with just the physical faith, right.

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I mean if I pick up a knife, imagine you just

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having a knife laying around and I let go of it. Do you believe

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it's going to drop or do you know it's going to drop? Yeah, I know

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it's going to drop. Okay. And you even know why?

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Because of gravity. But we don't even know what gravity is.

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We don't know what gravity is. Science, it doesn't know what gravity is. We know

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it does, but we know it is. Yeah. Okay. And so

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you know, oxygen transfer, how often do you wake from the near life form?

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What if oxygen transfer didn't take place? But I mean, think about

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it. Right? Right. But you know, this special little place.

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That has these things like this that we can. All of this,

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it's like you don't. Even think about it, but yet that's how it is. So

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this is like that realizing one, I weigh 200 and

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some pounds. And you know, if I could just.

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Release half of that with a little. Bit of

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velocity, certainly I can have. More velocity than drop my

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100 pound. Kettlebell and can let it transfer.

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Right. Well, that's a whole nother thing altogether. And the

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feeling of the people, you. Know, I'll reach out and pop in. I'll move somebody

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back feet, right. And it's like fool. But it doesn't look like much.

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And it's not. Bruce Lee, he was pushing with his calf. He was an athlete.

454
00:28:34.990 --> 00:28:38.750
He didn't understand this stuff. Okay. It's a completely different

455
00:28:38.750 --> 00:28:41.470
thing. I can do it with one leg, if you will. It doesn't matter because

456
00:28:41.470 --> 00:28:45.190
you're allowing all. Of that to happen and still kind of make it happen.

457
00:28:46.620 --> 00:28:50.380
Okay. And so, and this isn't a really.

458
00:28:50.380 --> 00:28:54.100
Good analogy, but if you're shooting, if you're, if you're trying to make that. Gun

459
00:28:54.100 --> 00:28:57.820
work, it's not going to be very accurate. You've got to let it

460
00:28:57.820 --> 00:29:01.060
work. You got to ride the recoil. Even if it's really rapid. Got to manage

461
00:29:01.060 --> 00:29:04.580
the trigger and the trigger reset. Right. All of these things. And the

462
00:29:04.580 --> 00:29:08.140
calmer you can be. Right. The better you are.

463
00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:13.120
And so and, and the no thinking part. We talked

464
00:29:13.120 --> 00:29:16.000
about that. It's not that there is a stuff. Going through your mind, but it's

465
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:19.720
not connected to what you're doing. My warrior son say you think

466
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:23.360
in. That environment you're dead. And another one of my friends who is a sergeant

467
00:29:23.360 --> 00:29:26.960
major, he's getting out as well. Got his stinger circus

468
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.680
cross. Probably should have been a medal of Honor. It may even get

469
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:34.240
so. But he's coming through a gate in

470
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:37.200
Afghanistan years ago. Right. And,

471
00:29:37.950 --> 00:29:41.750
and so there's big mud wall. I don't know if you've ever seen big mud

472
00:29:41.750 --> 00:29:44.990
walled compounds. So we call those things fatal funnels

473
00:29:45.470 --> 00:29:48.910
because you're only coming through one place. Right. So anybody

474
00:29:49.070 --> 00:29:52.870
inside knows you've got to. So he breaches that and

475
00:29:52.870 --> 00:29:56.430
there's three guys up on in

476
00:29:56.590 --> 00:30:00.430
three seconds. But 23 rounds on him. All sent. All.

477
00:30:00.750 --> 00:30:04.330
No, no automatic fire. Eight. Eight. Slight hesitation with in

478
00:30:04.330 --> 00:30:08.130
children. Seven. Okay. Just like that.

479
00:30:08.930 --> 00:30:12.770
And it's like what was going on in his brain. He's a close friend.

480
00:30:13.090 --> 00:30:16.890
It's going on in his brain. Takes way longer

481
00:30:16.890 --> 00:30:20.730
to tell than what he actually did. You can tell you where every bullet. Hit

482
00:30:20.730 --> 00:30:23.970
in the process. Right. And so

483
00:30:24.450 --> 00:30:28.290
you get into that state and these are special people. So

484
00:30:28.290 --> 00:30:31.250
when I was out there for. The Distinguished Service Cross, you years ago.

485
00:30:32.530 --> 00:30:35.890
They'D had 50 people make it through. They call it the long walk.

486
00:30:36.210 --> 00:30:39.970
Right. That's. That's the physical selection. I think they took three

487
00:30:40.930 --> 00:30:43.890
after the psycho. Oh this is this Delta. Delta Force.

488
00:30:44.690 --> 00:30:47.570
Something, something like that. I'm not going to use that word myself.

489
00:30:48.370 --> 00:30:51.770
I've heard of this long walk though. Yeah. Yeah. So a lot of that

490
00:30:51.770 --> 00:30:55.570
information's out there. But again everything else. So. Okay.

491
00:30:55.570 --> 00:30:59.290
But you guys know. Okay. So I mean, I mean and then. You'Ve got

492
00:30:59.610 --> 00:31:03.370
six months of OTC operating training course and you can still fail that.

493
00:31:04.170 --> 00:31:07.930
So you think they never have full. Group of people which isn't very

494
00:31:07.930 --> 00:31:11.690
many. Right. So we're, we're talking about very, very,

495
00:31:11.690 --> 00:31:15.050
very special people. So.

496
00:31:15.610 --> 00:31:19.050
But we were at the Ring actually. A couple years ago and said no. I

497
00:31:19.050 --> 00:31:20.490
think I've shot a million rounds.

498
00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:26.980
Well, practice, practice, practice. Right. Yes. Yeah. So.

499
00:31:27.060 --> 00:31:30.620
But anyway, so the point of the moment of this, I can't be

500
00:31:30.620 --> 00:31:34.460
thinking. But yet by not thinking, like not

501
00:31:34.460 --> 00:31:37.860
having tension, I become so much more aware

502
00:31:38.740 --> 00:31:41.620
of all the things that I. Can'T Be when my brain's going.

503
00:31:43.300 --> 00:31:46.940
So the calmer I get it. So the Japanese have a couple words for

504
00:31:46.940 --> 00:31:47.860
that. One is

505
00:31:50.560 --> 00:31:54.280
water. So kokoro's like spirit, but it's like, like still water,

506
00:31:54.280 --> 00:31:57.600
like a mirror, right. The other one is

507
00:31:57.600 --> 00:32:01.440
mushin. No mind, no thinking, conscious mind at

508
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.160
that point. Like you've been hunting, you know. And

509
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.680
I'm not talking about priest dance, that's harvesting.

510
00:32:09.040 --> 00:32:12.400
Yeah, yeah. Hunting is when you're on the ground. With the animals, right?

511
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.710
And especially depending on where you are, stingers, places, you know, you got to be

512
00:32:16.710 --> 00:32:20.470
like quiet, quiet. Open your mouth a little something that you're hearing

513
00:32:20.470 --> 00:32:23.750
better. You got to get quiet, quiet. When you move, you got to be. Really

514
00:32:23.750 --> 00:32:26.830
careful because then that movement is. Going to let them know what's happening, right?

515
00:32:27.790 --> 00:32:31.630
So the quieter I am, the more aware I

516
00:32:31.630 --> 00:32:35.390
become. Well, now you're in situations you

517
00:32:35.390 --> 00:32:39.190
want that same type of. Because you're going to tell me all kinds

518
00:32:39.190 --> 00:32:43.000
of things that I can hear. If I'm

519
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.120
going through my own stuff, I can't hear,

520
00:32:46.600 --> 00:32:50.120
right. I've got too much background

521
00:32:50.120 --> 00:32:53.880
noise going. On that I can't hear or see. Kuro Sensor

522
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.319
is really good at this. And so when I'm going with my senior students, whether

523
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:01.160
I'm the uchidachi or the shidachi. So the shidachi is doing the

524
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:05.160
Ryuha's technique and the Uchidachi is providing an attack.

525
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.910
And usually it's a set attack, but later on changing from the beginning.

526
00:33:09.470 --> 00:33:12.990
Well, I went on either side, doesn't matter, right?

527
00:33:13.310 --> 00:33:17.110
And many times I'll move before they move. But

528
00:33:17.110 --> 00:33:20.830
they've already made the decision, so they're caught, right?

529
00:33:20.910 --> 00:33:24.510
Because as you get more and more, you don't realize what you're telling.

530
00:33:26.270 --> 00:33:30.030
Right? And so as you get clearer and. Clearer and you're doing

531
00:33:30.030 --> 00:33:33.070
less and less in every way, shape and form.

532
00:33:34.080 --> 00:33:37.920
Right? Well, you know when to move, right? Well, I was

533
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:41.560
going to say this concept is something I'm instilling in my 15

534
00:33:41.560 --> 00:33:45.320
year old daughter who I'm teaching how to drive. And when you're driving on

535
00:33:45.320 --> 00:33:49.080
the highway, you can sense micro movements from other cars. It's like you know

536
00:33:49.080 --> 00:33:52.360
what they're going to do before they do it. I'm just going through that with

537
00:33:52.360 --> 00:33:56.200
grandfather. Okay. So grandson now he's.

538
00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:59.370
Now he's out. He's got some female, he's got his own. But, but,

539
00:34:00.170 --> 00:34:03.690
but we were coming back, I was teaching in Asheville, Ashe role.

540
00:34:04.330 --> 00:34:07.370
And so, so coming up I said, what's wrong with that car?

541
00:34:08.010 --> 00:34:11.850
I said, look at that. Okay. And so sure enough, we pull up.

542
00:34:12.170 --> 00:34:14.890
Right. I said this is a lethal environment.

543
00:34:16.570 --> 00:34:20.410
Right. Half these people are barely competent. If they're paying attention.

544
00:34:20.490 --> 00:34:23.810
Yeah. And they're not these days. A whole lot of them are not. Paying any

545
00:34:23.810 --> 00:34:26.980
attention at all. Some of my business going through your head. So you've got to

546
00:34:26.980 --> 00:34:30.820
treat all of this and so you have to read them. Right. Like

547
00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:34.660
that family just got killed by the trucker coming through the stop sign. You

548
00:34:34.660 --> 00:34:37.660
know, I've got a granddaughter coming up and I'm going to start teaching her pretty

549
00:34:37.660 --> 00:34:41.499
soon. Right. And so it's like stop signs and stop lights

550
00:34:41.499 --> 00:34:44.740
do not stop cars. Right. They're a suggestion.

551
00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:49.180
So so constantly looking and looking before you even get

552
00:34:49.180 --> 00:34:52.789
to the intersection. Right. Because you want to know what's the

553
00:34:52.789 --> 00:34:56.109
situation on. What's the situation on the ground. It's like when people say, well,

554
00:34:56.269 --> 00:34:59.549
what. What would you do if somebody did this? I go, what's the context?

555
00:34:59.869 --> 00:35:03.549
What do you mean? So how's it day and night? Is it hot or cold?

556
00:35:03.709 --> 00:35:07.469
Is it wet or dry? Are we in an elevator or. Yeah,

557
00:35:07.869 --> 00:35:11.709
I mean, what. Because there is no answer like that.

558
00:35:11.949 --> 00:35:15.789
This context. Is everything a great thing for your daughter?

559
00:35:16.600 --> 00:35:20.080
Not hard, not easy to see. You don't have to let the situation happen.

560
00:35:20.080 --> 00:35:23.160
Charlotte, on the train. Yes. Yeah. Right.

561
00:35:23.720 --> 00:35:27.000
Now, Zach guy, should he have been out? Nope.

562
00:35:27.720 --> 00:35:29.960
You and I would have picked him up as soon as you walked on that

563
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:33.800
train. Right. She did not take responsibility

564
00:35:34.120 --> 00:35:37.680
for any of it. She was in her own little world and

565
00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:41.520
completely right. And so does that make

566
00:35:41.520 --> 00:35:45.190
it right or in? No, but the personal responsibility part,

567
00:35:46.310 --> 00:35:50.150
there's. No would be, should be, could be world. If you're not paying attention,

568
00:35:50.390 --> 00:35:54.190
you're going. To pay the price. Whatever that happens to be. You have to be

569
00:35:54.190 --> 00:35:57.950
too long, you get sunb. Right. Whatever it happens to be. No

570
00:35:57.950 --> 00:36:01.510
doubt she was breathing a sigh of relief, living in the United States, getting away

571
00:36:01.510 --> 00:36:04.790
from the war in Ukraine. But that sigh of, you know,

572
00:36:05.270 --> 00:36:09.110
but let me ask you this. Sure. So as I mentioned up front,

573
00:36:09.110 --> 00:36:12.230
you've taught, you've taught to a lot of people

574
00:36:13.270 --> 00:36:15.990
these kind of fighting, different ways to approach

575
00:36:17.590 --> 00:36:21.430
close quarters combat. Some are very, very special, but I can't imagine

576
00:36:21.430 --> 00:36:24.309
all of them are. How do you. In a short time, they don't have a

577
00:36:24.309 --> 00:36:26.950
lot of time to learn this. Yeah. So. So that, how do you instill this?

578
00:36:27.190 --> 00:36:30.870
There's the dilemma. And so I, I start with things

579
00:36:30.870 --> 00:36:34.230
like you're managing three factors, distance and

580
00:36:34.230 --> 00:36:37.330
relationship time. Okay.

581
00:36:37.810 --> 00:36:41.210
So distance depends on what, what Environment, what

582
00:36:41.210 --> 00:36:45.050
tools, but we're still managing those. Things, whether we're doing

583
00:36:45.050 --> 00:36:47.970
the entry, whatever. It has to do, right? And so

584
00:36:48.610 --> 00:36:52.250
when we're doing. And you talk about this last one. If,

585
00:36:52.250 --> 00:36:55.810
if, if a person's reaching, pushing, shoving, stabbing or hitting,

586
00:36:56.210 --> 00:37:00.010
right? They're. They're looking with one direction and they're. Coming off of the base of

587
00:37:00.010 --> 00:37:03.710
a triangle. Okay. Well, if you're

588
00:37:03.710 --> 00:37:07.550
coming off this basic. Triangle, I release my left hip a little bit.

589
00:37:08.750 --> 00:37:11.950
I can pass you right by me. You're still moving,

590
00:37:12.510 --> 00:37:16.190
right. It's not a block. And I have an opportunity in there to do

591
00:37:16.270 --> 00:37:19.870
something. Right. Whether it's a takedown, whether it's a

592
00:37:19.870 --> 00:37:23.630
strike, whether it's a stab, whether. Whatever it happens to be. Okay?

593
00:37:24.030 --> 00:37:27.740
And so what you start learning to. Do is, and I call

594
00:37:27.740 --> 00:37:31.300
it field geometry, but don't look it up. They'll talk about hydraulics.

595
00:37:32.020 --> 00:37:35.380
People say, well, but this is changing. Well, yes, but I can perceive the change

596
00:37:35.700 --> 00:37:38.300
and I just release. And all I have to do is. Release my body here

597
00:37:38.300 --> 00:37:42.020
and it changes the relationship between. So I start

598
00:37:42.020 --> 00:37:45.540
with that. Right? Because the person's going to give you.

599
00:37:45.540 --> 00:37:49.300
Opportunity if you just let them. So we be very kind

600
00:37:49.300 --> 00:37:53.110
and let. Them have their opportunity before we show them the error

601
00:37:53.110 --> 00:37:56.790
of their ways. And so, you know, with swords, it's the

602
00:37:56.790 --> 00:38:00.590
same thing. We talk about the SATs. You can't be banging. You can't

603
00:38:00.590 --> 00:38:04.110
be banging and cracking together. I mean, everybody tries their way. Western

604
00:38:04.110 --> 00:38:07.950
surgeon, you have this type of. Way of trying to, you know, forge and

605
00:38:08.030 --> 00:38:11.830
heat trade. Japanese had their particular way of forging. Hate trading and

606
00:38:11.830 --> 00:38:15.630
doing stuff. But the bottom line is long, thin. Pieces of hard sphere, chip,

607
00:38:15.630 --> 00:38:19.400
crack and brick. Yep. Start cracking them against each other, and.

608
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:23.000
You'Re going to chip, crack and break the sword. And you can read, like, Japanese

609
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.960
stuff. You can read. Guys always a fight at the Terra Dia. The terra in

610
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:29.720
one guy, sword broke. And he was killed. Right. Bad idea to be in a

611
00:38:29.720 --> 00:38:33.280
sword fight with a sword that's, you know, looks good in the movies, doesn't work

612
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:36.840
very well. Right. Unless the script gets written out first.

613
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.760
So. So you can't be doing that. But also,

614
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:45.620
the longer you take to. Serenity, the more that happens,

615
00:38:45.620 --> 00:38:49.380
the more. Time and the more movement, the

616
00:38:49.380 --> 00:38:53.220
entropy. Starts climbing like nobody's business. Right. If there's

617
00:38:53.220 --> 00:38:56.100
not much time and not. Much that you did, it's pretty easy to manage and

618
00:38:56.100 --> 00:38:59.660
predict an outcome. The more that it's going, the less. You can do that.

619
00:39:00.700 --> 00:39:04.500
Now get in situations where the situation is

620
00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:07.740
chaotic and you've got to just surf the waves of chaos and be able to

621
00:39:07.740 --> 00:39:11.550
pick those things out, which is right. A surfer does. Right.

622
00:39:11.630 --> 00:39:15.190
You got oceans out there. It's not, it's not chaotic anymore. Usually by the time

623
00:39:15.190 --> 00:39:18.670
it gets there, depending, but you're just, you're just watching and

624
00:39:18.670 --> 00:39:22.470
reading that particular situation, given all the factors and, and using

625
00:39:22.470 --> 00:39:26.310
that in a moment. And so you have to be able. To not try to

626
00:39:26.310 --> 00:39:30.030
control everything, but flow through there in the process and.

627
00:39:30.030 --> 00:39:33.630
Be able to adapt and respond. Because you don't

628
00:39:33.630 --> 00:39:37.270
know. I spend, when I go to the range, I spend time.

629
00:39:37.270 --> 00:39:40.630
I'll shoot right handed, right. Like maybe I'm just doing plates for a while.

630
00:39:40.950 --> 00:39:43.790
So I'll go right handed, right eye. And I'll switch and I'll go left. Handed,

631
00:39:43.790 --> 00:39:47.590
left eye, right, right hand, left, left hand and I'll switch back and

632
00:39:47.590 --> 00:39:50.430
forth. I'll take the left hand this way and the right hand this way. Then

633
00:39:50.430 --> 00:39:54.190
maybe one handed, flashlight and stuff so I can shoot. So if I come up

634
00:39:54.190 --> 00:39:57.310
left eye or right eye, it automatically goes to that without me having to close

635
00:39:57.310 --> 00:40:00.870
my eyes. Now that took training. Yeah, right.

636
00:40:01.470 --> 00:40:02.670
But a long time ago.

637
00:40:06.510 --> 00:40:09.870
I'm getting old. Learning that

638
00:40:10.910 --> 00:40:14.750
cornering right handed on left handed cornering is not a good idea.

639
00:40:15.390 --> 00:40:18.710
There's no way that you can do that as

640
00:40:18.710 --> 00:40:22.550
efficiently as you can switch. There's just no way. You

641
00:40:22.550 --> 00:40:26.310
give them an eyeball on a barrel that's almost nothing. You give them, you

642
00:40:26.310 --> 00:40:29.800
know, to a third of your upper body and they can see you coming around

643
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.520
before it happens. Right. And especially in

644
00:40:33.520 --> 00:40:37.240
situations where the walls. Won'T stop the bullets. And that's a

645
00:40:37.240 --> 00:40:40.920
whole lot of situations. Yeah, most situations, my

646
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.640
house, they won't stop the bullets. Right. Now you get in Iraq and Afghanistan, there's

647
00:40:44.640 --> 00:40:47.680
places where a lot of those things stop bullets. But our houses don't tend to

648
00:40:47.680 --> 00:40:51.400
stop bullets. Yeah, right. And so when I'm

649
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.800
doing that, it's not only that, you know, I don't want to be in target.

650
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.480
I don't want you to see anything. Until I've got everything on

651
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:02.160
them. Right. By the time they see me, I'm already, I'm already on the trigger

652
00:41:02.160 --> 00:41:05.840
because my. It's a barrel on an eyeball. Right. Or light

653
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.000
barrel and eyeball. And so,

654
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:13.000
so what, what you're doing. With all of this is you're the. Same with the

655
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.720
sword. There's going to be a path of travel. I can perceive it.

656
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.630
What's the timing of me perceiving it and making it so that you

657
00:41:20.630 --> 00:41:24.390
can't see that I'm not in the lineup for the cut, but

658
00:41:24.390 --> 00:41:28.230
he's in mine, okay? And I think we did this a little

659
00:41:28.230 --> 00:41:32.030
bit last time. So you move a hand like this towards the person. You

660
00:41:32.030 --> 00:41:34.590
need a hand like this towards the person in the moment, they can't see the

661
00:41:34.590 --> 00:41:38.230
difference. One, when you're moving from out here.

662
00:41:38.790 --> 00:41:42.470
Okay, that's easily seen, and that path of travel is easily blocked.

663
00:41:42.470 --> 00:41:45.550
You move from back here. So I'm moving away from my. I'm literally flexing my

664
00:41:45.550 --> 00:41:49.080
rhomboids moment. So right now, when I'm sitting here, I'm

665
00:41:49.080 --> 00:41:52.840
flexing my rhomboids, I'm moving my scapula, left scapula,

666
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:56.640
right scapula, moving them up the levator. Scapula, the muscle

667
00:41:56.640 --> 00:42:00.480
tattoo top. Okay? And you teach yourself. You teach

668
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.960
yourself how to do this. Did you ever read Dune? No. My wife is a

669
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:07.200
huge fan of. The books, but read Dune. I told you last time to read

670
00:42:07.200 --> 00:42:10.440
Gates of Fire. Did you end up reading it? No, I didn't. Oh, you got

671
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:13.910
to listen at the building.

672
00:42:14.310 --> 00:42:17.990
Bigfoot has had a huge impact on. Those guys and Dune.

673
00:42:18.470 --> 00:42:21.350
So it's funny because at the football. Game the other day, one of the. Guys,

674
00:42:22.710 --> 00:42:26.270
he's a physical therapist, really thick

675
00:42:26.270 --> 00:42:30.030
guy, and he had tattoos on his arm. And I said,

676
00:42:30.030 --> 00:42:33.830
oh, that's Tengguar. He goes, right. So Tengwa is the

677
00:42:33.830 --> 00:42:37.550
elvish language, the elvish writing script for Quenya

678
00:42:37.550 --> 00:42:40.080
and Sindaran. Sindarin, right?

679
00:42:41.200 --> 00:42:44.800
He says, yeah, but it's. But it's a Bene Gesserit saying,

680
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.600
right? That comes from. That comes from.

681
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.320
And so I said, so I teach the weirding way of fighting.

682
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.200
He's like, okay. So I had him grab me,

683
00:42:59.680 --> 00:43:03.520
right? And I said, you know, strong guy,

684
00:43:03.600 --> 00:43:07.420
right? Really fit. So I had him grab

685
00:43:07.420 --> 00:43:11.100
me, and. I just turn my hand over. You can't prevent it. Now

686
00:43:11.660 --> 00:43:14.540
if I tense and start flexing, he can stop me.

687
00:43:15.340 --> 00:43:18.700
Or we have a wrestling mat. I'm a good wrestler, but

688
00:43:19.100 --> 00:43:22.700
I get tired really fast. So if you can hang on for. Not, that

689
00:43:22.700 --> 00:43:26.420
doesn't work the same anymore. So you get all kinds of these

690
00:43:26.420 --> 00:43:30.100
things. If I don't use any muscle, I literally feel like

691
00:43:30.170 --> 00:43:33.530
all this is empty and I can move. The person can't stop me.

692
00:43:34.250 --> 00:43:37.170
As soon as I tense even a little bit. Now we have a. Now we

693
00:43:37.170 --> 00:43:40.490
have a fight. Now I've got to try to use strengthening leverage. Okay?

694
00:43:41.690 --> 00:43:45.330
It took time to realize how that. Worked, but

695
00:43:45.330 --> 00:43:48.970
that's what they're using with. The sword so the personal cut down

696
00:43:48.970 --> 00:43:52.010
and you go like that, and their. Sword goes right past you and you right

697
00:43:52.010 --> 00:43:55.810
when you cut them. And yet I never knock their sword. Away sideways at

698
00:43:55.810 --> 00:43:59.520
all. Yeah. Literally letting them have

699
00:43:59.520 --> 00:44:02.960
what they want. And I'm taking the space that they. Left just as they left

700
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:06.080
it. The moment they left it. I've already taken that space.

701
00:44:06.720 --> 00:44:09.920
And so they'll be cutting like this. And they'll be doing just like that.

702
00:44:10.240 --> 00:44:13.760
Okay. And so that is. That is a

703
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.480
fundamental part that you. Can start teaching fairly early. So I'll have the

704
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:20.880
kids or. Or the. Or the. Whoever I'm doing. Right.

705
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.760
Okay. The person's. Person's reaching to grab like this, and you

706
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:27.360
just reach in parallel. What's happening?

707
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.800
Don't. Don't push sideways. When I'm looking for contact, all you have to do is

708
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:35.560
take like this elbow's got to go through this space. If it can go

709
00:44:35.560 --> 00:44:38.560
through that space, if it can't go through that space at a mission.

710
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:43.040
Is this different from intercepting, fist or. Interception

711
00:44:43.600 --> 00:44:47.320
in that sense? Yes. Okay. Because ultimately I won't even touch you

712
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:51.000
eventually. Okay. I won't even touch it because

713
00:44:51.080 --> 00:44:54.680
I'm managing a relationship more than I'm trying to block or deflect.

714
00:44:56.200 --> 00:44:59.960
Okay. So as I move, I also may. Not

715
00:44:59.960 --> 00:45:03.720
be where you think I am. But I can't be doing

716
00:45:03.720 --> 00:45:05.960
it by any movements that the eye can see.

717
00:45:07.560 --> 00:45:11.240
Right. But, you know, Tacitus flavors Forgettis

718
00:45:11.240 --> 00:45:15.050
Renatus and his David Militarai. You know, in every battle, after all,

719
00:45:15.050 --> 00:45:18.450
the eye is fooled first. Okay.

720
00:45:18.930 --> 00:45:22.570
So fooling the eye, right, Meant fooling the

721
00:45:22.570 --> 00:45:26.050
grasp, fooling any contact. Right.

722
00:45:26.290 --> 00:45:29.330
And so. So I can get basics down with people,

723
00:45:29.810 --> 00:45:32.970
because if you've got a small. Knife, what I want is if the person's coming

724
00:45:32.970 --> 00:45:35.610
in, doing whatever, I want. To come right through, and I want. To go to

725
00:45:35.610 --> 00:45:38.770
places that matter. I want to just stab them or something. Right. I want to

726
00:45:38.770 --> 00:45:41.510
go to places that. That. That matter in the moment.

727
00:45:42.550 --> 00:45:44.630
Right. We all saw that stabbing in the. In.

728
00:45:46.470 --> 00:45:50.190
That was in Perth. It was in Queensland. Is

729
00:45:50.190 --> 00:45:53.590
it Melbourne? Anyway, in Australia. I can't remember now, but

730
00:45:54.150 --> 00:45:56.710
then two groups of guys going back and forth. And one of them had a

731
00:45:56.710 --> 00:45:59.630
knife and going back and forth. Did you see that one? I'm not sure if

732
00:45:59.630 --> 00:46:03.110
I. If I know this one. I see a lot of stabbing videos. Yeah. I'm

733
00:46:03.110 --> 00:46:06.180
not sure. Yeah. So it's a bunch of guys, and. One of them has knife

734
00:46:06.180 --> 00:46:08.660
on one side, one on the other. He's a pretty good guy here.

735
00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:13.660
And force comes Up. Everybody backs off. But the one guy, he's literally taking. This

736
00:46:13.660 --> 00:46:16.100
knife and it's not real big, but it's big enough.

737
00:46:17.060 --> 00:46:20.340
He's swinging at people, right? And he's. And he's aiming,

738
00:46:21.060 --> 00:46:23.780
he's aiming for, for a deadly spot.

739
00:46:24.740 --> 00:46:27.620
And if you can see, if not. Let me know and

740
00:46:28.260 --> 00:46:30.740
I'll find it. I'll take that. I'm sure I have it.

741
00:46:32.910 --> 00:46:36.550
So they're going back and forth a little bit, all this kind of

742
00:46:36.550 --> 00:46:40.070
stupid stuff, right? And so the second time they closed. The big guy came up

743
00:46:40.070 --> 00:46:43.750
like the first time, and everybody backed away because he's big. Gets him right on

744
00:46:43.750 --> 00:46:47.270
the throat. Yeah, Hit him right here. And it took him a second to

745
00:46:47.270 --> 00:46:51.030
realize it. And then he just drops. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It took him a

746
00:46:51.030 --> 00:46:53.630
few steps, you know, And I call this the golden crime

747
00:46:54.750 --> 00:46:58.470
because apexy, the lung blooded artery. Juggler,

748
00:46:58.470 --> 00:47:01.350
the brachial plexus, I mean, it's all.

749
00:47:02.230 --> 00:47:05.670
You'll get a high return on your. Investment for the risk that you took.

750
00:47:05.910 --> 00:47:09.510
All right, let me, let me ask you this just because we have about 10

751
00:47:09.510 --> 00:47:12.230
minutes or a little bit more left here. But I want to get to this,

752
00:47:12.470 --> 00:47:16.230
to the concept of escalation of force. We live in

753
00:47:16.550 --> 00:47:20.230
troubled times. We have a lot of conflict, just kind of

754
00:47:20.230 --> 00:47:23.590
running rampant. What is a good way to think about

755
00:47:24.230 --> 00:47:27.950
how and when to escalate force with some random person on

756
00:47:27.950 --> 00:47:30.950
the street? Okay, so first of all,

757
00:47:31.830 --> 00:47:35.670
mindset training. So first of all, I leave the house with the

758
00:47:35.670 --> 00:47:39.390
highest level of force I can carry. So for me, every day I've got a

759
00:47:39.390 --> 00:47:43.230
Glock 43. You know, I've got 16 rounds in. That, a 15 round backup

760
00:47:43.230 --> 00:47:46.750
magazine. I've got four and a half inch blade,

761
00:47:46.750 --> 00:47:49.830
designer CRKT HC4 knife here.

762
00:47:51.030 --> 00:47:54.230
I've got one of these here

763
00:47:54.710 --> 00:47:58.470
in the other pocket. So I mean four and a half inch. This is the

764
00:47:58.470 --> 00:48:01.950
operator one. It actually has a hook because my. Warrior son, you put this on

765
00:48:01.950 --> 00:48:05.430
is otonashi. So he could just draw it in one motion.

766
00:48:07.510 --> 00:48:10.790
Have a flipper version blackened as well.

767
00:48:11.110 --> 00:48:14.830
But this actually has Wolm's blade design on it. This is dark, there's nothing

768
00:48:14.830 --> 00:48:18.220
on it. Just. Just because some people need

769
00:48:18.220 --> 00:48:21.980
anonymity. But anyway, so I've got that, I've got two flashlights,

770
00:48:22.780 --> 00:48:25.020
I've got a Surefire

771
00:48:27.020 --> 00:48:30.540
Pro 2 15, 15, 100 lumens,

772
00:48:30.780 --> 00:48:33.580
35, 35,000 candela, right?

773
00:48:35.740 --> 00:48:39.500
And then I've got another one, 400 lumen, one that fits on

774
00:48:39.500 --> 00:48:43.350
my keychain. The stockbride big. And so When I. And I've

775
00:48:43.350 --> 00:48:46.830
got. I've got a tourniquet in my pocket. Wear cargo pants most of the time,

776
00:48:46.830 --> 00:48:50.630
got a tourniquet. That's just the stuff on me. Okay. And so

777
00:48:50.630 --> 00:48:54.150
that means I have tools, right? And so. And I think

778
00:48:54.230 --> 00:48:57.950
having tools makes you more aware right now, my

779
00:48:57.950 --> 00:49:00.470
car, I've. Got all kinds of much more medical stuff. I've got a whole lot

780
00:49:00.470 --> 00:49:04.230
more stuff. I've got a board expedition. It's like, it's set up also to be.

781
00:49:04.630 --> 00:49:07.590
Right. Like, hit a deer at 50 miles an hour and not hurt the car,

782
00:49:07.930 --> 00:49:11.730
right? So. So. Well, because there's a lot of woods. And a

783
00:49:11.730 --> 00:49:15.410
lot of deer around here. And so the first thing is the mindset before you

784
00:49:15.410 --> 00:49:19.130
leave the house. Am I prepared? Where am I going? Where am I going

785
00:49:19.130 --> 00:49:22.890
there? Who am I going with? Right? One on one could be more than

786
00:49:22.890 --> 00:49:25.770
two, or one on one can be less than one. Yeah,

787
00:49:26.490 --> 00:49:30.330
okay. And I've seen that. You know,

788
00:49:30.330 --> 00:49:34.080
I think I told you I was. It was actually. Oh, there was

789
00:49:34.080 --> 00:49:37.720
a guy's name. Ah. I was up in Hollywood,

790
00:49:37.720 --> 00:49:41.560
Fred Astaire's old house. And so there was a wealthy guy

791
00:49:41.560 --> 00:49:44.520
there, and he had a daughter, and he wanted me to come teach a class.

792
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.800
Actually had to put him out of the class and make him quiet because

793
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:51.080
she was telling me some stuff that she needed to tell him. He was like,

794
00:49:51.080 --> 00:49:54.760
what? Quiet? It's my class.

795
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.600
Right? But she had a situation where.

796
00:50:00.530 --> 00:50:04.090
She. Led party, and she And a girlfriend called a

797
00:50:04.090 --> 00:50:07.850
cab. The cab came, wasn't the cab company. So she said, this

798
00:50:07.850 --> 00:50:11.690
isn't. This isn't our cabinet. Bill goes, oh, it'll be fine. Right? So they get

799
00:50:11.690 --> 00:50:15.170
in, right? And she's not feeling comfortable. She's like, I want to get off of

800
00:50:15.170 --> 00:50:19.010
the house. And he goes, no, no, it's fine. Don't worry about

801
00:50:19.010 --> 00:50:22.850
it. You know? And so the girl gets out and. The guy

802
00:50:22.850 --> 00:50:26.660
goes, yeah, you're coming over. And she's like, freaking out. So she finally

803
00:50:26.660 --> 00:50:30.300
gets somebody on her phone. So he drops her. I know what you're doing, right?

804
00:50:30.860 --> 00:50:34.460
So I'm talking to her, and she had a couple other instances. I said,

805
00:50:35.660 --> 00:50:39.220
darling, you need to understand that you don't have

806
00:50:39.220 --> 00:50:42.860
friends. These people aren't concerned about you.

807
00:50:42.940 --> 00:50:46.060
So that's the first thing when you're out there with these people.

808
00:50:46.780 --> 00:50:49.740
You know, she's uncomfortable. And you're not saying, hey, I can walk in my house.

809
00:50:50.550 --> 00:50:54.390
Right? You don't have friends. I live in a completely different area. I live in

810
00:50:54.390 --> 00:50:58.110
such a great bubble that it's another story. And so

811
00:50:58.110 --> 00:51:01.430
you need to understand, who am I going with? Where are we going? You know

812
00:51:01.430 --> 00:51:05.190
what? It's backup plan. And so especially young women,

813
00:51:05.990 --> 00:51:09.230
right? You see, more and more of these. Guys are letting out that young girl

814
00:51:09.230 --> 00:51:12.670
was just killed again, in South Carolina. Right? South

815
00:51:12.670 --> 00:51:16.150
Carolina, you know, and they're letting these people out over and over,

816
00:51:16.890 --> 00:51:20.610
right? This isn't a be nice to people thing. Those people are in prison for

817
00:51:20.610 --> 00:51:23.850
a reason, right? And so. And so

818
00:51:24.410 --> 00:51:28.250
one. So you want to read all of that? Where you going?

819
00:51:28.410 --> 00:51:32.130
Never walk past a dark hole clear with your light or something.

820
00:51:32.130 --> 00:51:35.970
I've got a couple videos on that up on YouTube that when

821
00:51:35.970 --> 00:51:39.610
I was doing some TV stuff, right? And so you

822
00:51:39.610 --> 00:51:43.370
always clear a black hole. Don't go by them. Don't walk up to them.

823
00:51:43.630 --> 00:51:47.230
Don't walk up to your house of bushes. You can. There's a woman in

824
00:51:48.110 --> 00:51:51.830
Seattle and guy. Was in the bushes and followed her into. You

825
00:51:51.830 --> 00:51:55.430
know, that. That happened there as well. And

826
00:51:55.430 --> 00:51:58.910
so. So you got to think about all the things. Have these tweets on

827
00:51:58.910 --> 00:52:02.430
you, right? You have to have them on you.

828
00:52:02.830 --> 00:52:05.710
And ladies are the worst for that

829
00:52:06.910 --> 00:52:09.870
right Now. Part of it is because it makes them afraid, and then they don't

830
00:52:09.870 --> 00:52:12.870
want to be prepared. And that's why, like

831
00:52:13.510 --> 00:52:17.350
Pen. Because Pen always carrying knives, right? Pen actually

832
00:52:17.350 --> 00:52:20.550
for breaking contact. His personal offense is a breaking contact thing,

833
00:52:21.350 --> 00:52:24.510
right? This will actually work better in the night because it hurts a whole lot

834
00:52:24.510 --> 00:52:28.350
more, right? It hurts a whole lot more. You know, I. I

835
00:52:28.350 --> 00:52:31.950
did the key, you know, the whole bit, because I've used them before. It's just

836
00:52:31.950 --> 00:52:35.030
I bent one so bad, I almost could drive away. So I didn't. Maybe I

837
00:52:35.030 --> 00:52:38.830
should disobey. You should design something that anyway. But

838
00:52:38.990 --> 00:52:42.750
so you have your tools with you, right? Don't let people

839
00:52:42.750 --> 00:52:46.350
get close. You don't let them talk you into things, right? Including

840
00:52:46.430 --> 00:52:49.790
your friends. That might be the bigger thing.

841
00:52:49.950 --> 00:52:53.390
And so, you know, and just think. About when I leave my house,

842
00:52:54.030 --> 00:52:57.870
you know, I'm in a different world. You're on defcon, right?

843
00:52:57.950 --> 00:53:01.590
Say Sunday afternoon in your house. So fairy. Everything's great. DEFCON

844
00:53:01.590 --> 00:53:03.960
port. You work your way. As soon as you get in your car, it's at

845
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:07.640
least defcon. Get out of your car downtown someplace,

846
00:53:07.640 --> 00:53:11.160
you know, especially at night. Now you're in DEFCON 2 potentially, right?

847
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:15.720
You know, and then, you know, then it's like, oh, these, this, you

848
00:53:15.720 --> 00:53:19.160
know. Now I'm starting to access tools or. Have them in my hands,

849
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:23.480
right? With the ladies, it has to be it can't be stuck in their

850
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:26.080
purse. You know, I always ask like, how do you guys find things in your

851
00:53:26.080 --> 00:53:29.120
purse like this, right? Can't be that,

852
00:53:29.600 --> 00:53:33.400
right? So you know the sure Fire stiletto, just the regular

853
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:37.200
one's not that expensive. It's. And it's, it's not

854
00:53:37.200 --> 00:53:40.200
plastic, but you know, some type of thing. So it's, it's enough that they could.

855
00:53:40.200 --> 00:53:44.040
Slip it inside their pants because they always wear. I'm. I'm wearing stuff to carry

856
00:53:44.040 --> 00:53:47.440
what I want, right? We're not going to do that. You know,

857
00:53:48.240 --> 00:53:52.080
some of the, some. So to have the flashlight, that's the most important thing

858
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.870
besides this having a. Tool like that first and

859
00:53:55.870 --> 00:53:59.630
foremost. Okay. So even on that train, if that. Guy

860
00:53:59.630 --> 00:54:01.870
would have stood up and she would have been watched, she could have hit him

861
00:54:01.870 --> 00:54:05.470
with the light and hit him with a pen or something, right? Because even

862
00:54:05.710 --> 00:54:09.310
that lit train, that's 600 lumens, that's enough in the moment,

863
00:54:09.790 --> 00:54:13.590
right, to help so those things. And again,

864
00:54:13.590 --> 00:54:17.350
as you carry stuff and it just automatically

865
00:54:17.350 --> 00:54:21.190
raises your deft on your defense condition more prepared,

866
00:54:21.510 --> 00:54:25.110
right? Because you're recognizing yourself that when you go out

867
00:54:25.670 --> 00:54:29.110
it's potentially dangerous. Another one, I

868
00:54:30.390 --> 00:54:34.230
pulled this video off of YouTube Years and years ago. First time I

869
00:54:34.230 --> 00:54:37.190
was in Africa I had lunch with this guy, this far guide

870
00:54:38.870 --> 00:54:42.230
and he gave me a book. I gave him one of my.

871
00:54:42.710 --> 00:54:45.910
Which is interesting because I didn't know this story at the time,

872
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:50.600
but in 99 he was getting. Taking some

873
00:54:50.600 --> 00:54:53.120
people up into the Buwemi. Formless forest in

874
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:58.400
Uganda to see mountain gorillas and

875
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.200
interhamway. The Hutu death squads from

876
00:55:02.240 --> 00:55:05.840
Rwanda had. Came through early in the morning and they took all the English

877
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.480
speaking people. And separated and took them up into the forest,

878
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:12.080
right? So it's a really well done documentary

879
00:55:13.230 --> 00:55:16.190
and I use it as who lives, who dies and why?

880
00:55:17.950 --> 00:55:21.150
Because people that died actually made the decision

881
00:55:21.230 --> 00:55:24.670
themselves. And they had a couple

882
00:55:24.750 --> 00:55:28.509
one, his was a couple and they were the strong power couple from Seattle, I

883
00:55:28.509 --> 00:55:32.230
think Portland. And just loved and just watched

884
00:55:32.230 --> 00:55:35.910
them come apart. Especially him as a man not able to

885
00:55:35.910 --> 00:55:38.450
handle the stress of it, the process,

886
00:55:40.130 --> 00:55:43.730
the fear. And so things like that are really

887
00:55:43.730 --> 00:55:46.850
good. So I had one of, one of my friends, he's actually a helicopter pilot,

888
00:55:46.930 --> 00:55:50.450
his wife was there and she got halfway through, she went, went outside the

889
00:55:50.450 --> 00:55:53.650
dojo. This one, that's the neatest one, had my dojo there. I walked out, I

890
00:55:53.650 --> 00:55:57.370
said so, so what's the problem? She said, I just kept watching stuff, you know,

891
00:55:57.370 --> 00:56:01.170
after some stuff in College. I just kept watching. I go, okay. She said, got

892
00:56:01.170 --> 00:56:04.620
kids, right? I knew she did. Said, so if you can't handle what's. Going to

893
00:56:04.620 --> 00:56:08.340
happen to them. And so a few days later, Thursday class, he comes in,

894
00:56:08.340 --> 00:56:12.100
he goes, what'd you do? She said she's like dialed. She'd like to

895
00:56:12.100 --> 00:56:14.780
text everything first. She's like, he's not about you,

896
00:56:16.060 --> 00:56:19.900
mom. You want to get past that stuff. You're a dad, right? Yep.

897
00:56:19.900 --> 00:56:22.940
Yep. All of a sudden the rules change. So.

898
00:56:23.500 --> 00:56:27.220
So, you know, just, just the personal responsibility part. And even thinking,

899
00:56:27.220 --> 00:56:30.870
hey, you could save your friends, you know, they're gonna do something

900
00:56:30.870 --> 00:56:34.390
stupid. It's like, yeah, let's not do that. Right? You can read about in the

901
00:56:34.390 --> 00:56:38.150
paper. In the morning when somebody else made that choice. Not an easy

902
00:56:38.150 --> 00:56:41.830
thing, dad. I know. I went through it. I had boys, though. So my thing

903
00:56:41.830 --> 00:56:45.630
was, yeah, that young lady's gonna get home, same condition. She

904
00:56:45.630 --> 00:56:49.190
left the house. If I heard from somebody's dad, you're. In more trouble for me

905
00:56:49.190 --> 00:56:52.950
than you are from him. Right? Yeah. Having. Having girls is,

906
00:56:53.110 --> 00:56:56.710
you know, they've got great heads on their shoulder. They. They have a mother who's

907
00:56:57.510 --> 00:57:00.470
very extremely security minded. This whole house is.

908
00:57:01.110 --> 00:57:04.870
But I can't say it doesn't worry me. It does.

909
00:57:04.870 --> 00:57:08.710
And part of it is again, making choices. So this is for Christopher Miles.

910
00:57:08.710 --> 00:57:11.430
Want to drive? So we drop him off in the costa. The party

911
00:57:12.390 --> 00:57:16.150
in the house we dropped him off in. Mom's like, we're really cool parents.

912
00:57:16.150 --> 00:57:19.310
Don't worry. We're really cool. And this and that, right? And I can see as

913
00:57:19.310 --> 00:57:22.990
I'm driving, we're driving home. My wife's stewing out a little bit. She leads people

914
00:57:22.990 --> 00:57:26.770
better than a ciarant interrogatives I've worked with, right? You walk in

915
00:57:26.770 --> 00:57:29.450
the front door, she. Goes, we're going back. I'm not.

916
00:57:30.490 --> 00:57:33.890
So we drive all the way back to the party. He's fishing, walking these two

917
00:57:33.890 --> 00:57:37.570
girls. I slowed down like, so what's up? These two

918
00:57:37.570 --> 00:57:40.970
girls had left the party, go down where there were older guys with drugs and

919
00:57:40.970 --> 00:57:43.770
alcohol. And Christopher had gone down,

920
00:57:44.970 --> 00:57:48.730
bring him back. Right now my wife's

921
00:57:48.730 --> 00:57:52.300
like 5 to 100ft, very athletic, but tiny, right? But

922
00:57:52.460 --> 00:57:55.260
she's got her brother's blood, right. He's one of the toughest guys.

923
00:57:56.620 --> 00:57:59.140
And she's like. And said, no, we're not going in the house. They just take

924
00:57:59.140 --> 00:58:02.660
him home. Take the girls back home. Right? But the

925
00:58:02.660 --> 00:58:06.460
ability to read stuff like that or have. Have the male

926
00:58:06.620 --> 00:58:10.460
that's going to Be a man. Right. Watch out for your daughter

927
00:58:10.460 --> 00:58:13.660
in the process. Yeah. And make sure that she gets home.

928
00:58:14.060 --> 00:58:17.830
That she gets home okay. That's a big choice when you have

929
00:58:17.830 --> 00:58:21.630
daughters. Boys, I trained them. They. They had. They had skills

930
00:58:21.870 --> 00:58:25.710
and they had a responsibility. And that responsibility was that young lady just need to

931
00:58:25.710 --> 00:58:28.030
be taken care of. Once you. When you're out on a date with her, that's

932
00:58:28.030 --> 00:58:31.790
your. That's your responsibility. Yeah, it was just. So Christopher went down,

933
00:58:31.790 --> 00:58:34.830
got those two girls, and so I was very proud. Of them in the process.

934
00:58:35.870 --> 00:58:39.430
Absolutely. And one of the things that I've

935
00:58:39.430 --> 00:58:43.230
trained my girls out of as much as I can so far is

936
00:58:43.230 --> 00:58:46.950
people pleasing and trying not to offend people. We are not

937
00:58:46.950 --> 00:58:50.310
a. We are not a house that worries much about offending people, which is great.

938
00:58:50.310 --> 00:58:53.310
But, you know, a lot of people default to

939
00:58:53.870 --> 00:58:57.710
don't offend, be polite. And being polite is always important. Yes.

940
00:58:57.950 --> 00:59:01.750
But, yes, it's different from being a pushover. And. Yeah, so. So

941
00:59:01.750 --> 00:59:05.550
that's. That's an interesting thing. You know, I live. I live in a place,

942
00:59:05.710 --> 00:59:08.150
and again. I live in a bubble here. Kids are great. Most of them are

943
00:59:08.150 --> 00:59:11.860
homeschooled, really capable, very polite. Ma', am,

944
00:59:11.860 --> 00:59:15.140
sir. This. Right. The whole bit. But they're also.

945
00:59:15.860 --> 00:59:19.380
They're also perceptive kids who need people. Right.

946
00:59:19.860 --> 00:59:23.540
And so being polite is one thing. Reading people

947
00:59:23.540 --> 00:59:26.420
and understanding is another. Yeah. My wife, because

948
00:59:27.060 --> 00:59:30.220
her dad died in. The middle of the night when she. Was 10, she was

949
00:59:30.220 --> 00:59:33.900
a latchkey kid out of the house at 15, you

950
00:59:33.900 --> 00:59:37.730
know. Right. She. Because she could read

951
00:59:37.730 --> 00:59:41.490
people like nobody. I mean, literally CIA interpretive. She

952
00:59:41.490 --> 00:59:45.290
could read people like nobody's business. But, you know, you want to gain

953
00:59:45.290 --> 00:59:48.970
that. It's one thing to be polite. It's another

954
00:59:48.970 --> 00:59:52.770
to be. To know when you know,

955
00:59:52.770 --> 00:59:56.410
to do that. So. Yeah. And again, reading people.

956
00:59:56.650 --> 01:00:00.330
Oh, you're just judging. Judgment's different. Judgment's God's. God's

957
01:00:00.660 --> 01:00:04.340
responsibility. Discernment. Yes. We're. We're leading people.

958
01:00:05.940 --> 01:00:08.580
That guy in the. On. On that bus, on that. On that

959
01:00:09.540 --> 01:00:13.180
train, right away, boom. Bad. Some bad going on

960
01:00:13.180 --> 01:00:16.940
there. That guy, seriously dangerous. Right. Walking

961
01:00:16.940 --> 01:00:20.700
with one of my female students, one of my instructors in Germany, where she

962
01:00:20.700 --> 01:00:24.380
lives in Cologne, cold, and just pointing out, group of

963
01:00:24.380 --> 01:00:28.150
young males, not German, don't walk by, there's a single

964
01:00:28.150 --> 01:00:31.910
female at night. Yep. People and say, oh, well, listen, Muslims. Are a problem,

965
01:00:31.910 --> 01:00:34.990
and they're a big problem with women. Huge problem.

966
01:00:35.470 --> 01:00:39.270
Right. And so listen, you read that. You read the handwriting on the young males

967
01:00:39.270 --> 01:00:43.030
are potentially problem males. Right?

968
01:00:43.030 --> 01:00:46.310
You need to read that across the street. Don't put yourself in those positions. The

969
01:00:46.310 --> 01:00:50.070
best way. Don't put yourself in that position. Absolutely right. Especially that

970
01:00:50.070 --> 01:00:53.830
in Cologne. It's a huge issue. Yes. We're

971
01:00:53.830 --> 01:00:57.070
up against our hour. I want to thank going on, but

972
01:00:57.550 --> 01:01:00.750
for those of you who are patrons of this show, we're going to continue this

973
01:01:00.750 --> 01:01:04.430
conversation. I feel like this could go on for. For days and days.

974
01:01:04.430 --> 01:01:08.110
You're. You're fascinating and you're a wealth of knowledge.

975
01:01:08.110 --> 01:01:11.870
Thank you so much for coming on. It's been awesome talking with you. Thank you

976
01:01:11.870 --> 01:01:15.550
for having me. Good seeing you again. And I'll

977
01:01:15.550 --> 01:01:18.750
probably take a look through the comments if people have questions.

978
01:01:19.290 --> 01:01:22.450
Know I don't have as much time. This way anymore, but I have a little

979
01:01:22.450 --> 01:01:26.250
bit more this way, so. So. So

980
01:01:26.330 --> 01:01:29.050
I'll see if I can help. Out if people have questions I can help with.

981
01:01:29.370 --> 01:01:32.930
Outstanding. Thank you so much, sir. Yes, absolutely. Do you

982
01:01:32.930 --> 01:01:36.690
carry multiple knives? Then overthink which one to use when an actual

983
01:01:36.690 --> 01:01:40.370
cutting chore pops up. You're a knife junkie of the first

984
01:01:40.370 --> 01:01:43.770
order. There he goes. Ladies and gentlemen, James Williams.

985
01:01:44.170 --> 01:01:47.340
Man alive. I love talking to this man, and

986
01:01:49.420 --> 01:01:53.260
sometimes at some points, I'm just barely holding on because I feel like

987
01:01:53.260 --> 01:01:57.020
a lot of this stuff has to be seen in person or demonstrated on you.

988
01:01:57.020 --> 01:02:00.460
Heaven forbid. But it was great talk with him. I

989
01:02:00.780 --> 01:02:04.500
strongly urge you to become a patron or a gentleman

990
01:02:04.500 --> 01:02:08.220
junkie and listen to the rest of this conversation and all

991
01:02:08.220 --> 01:02:12.060
the conversations we have here on this show. They keep going

992
01:02:12.540 --> 01:02:16.340
and it's. It's always a great listen. All right. For Jim working his

993
01:02:16.340 --> 01:02:20.100
magic behind the switcher, I'm Bob DiMarco saying until next time, don't

994
01:02:20.100 --> 01:02:23.580
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995
01:02:23.580 --> 01:02:26.220
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