WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.440 --> 00:00:07.120 Welcome to the Knife Junkie Podcast. Your weekly dose of knife 2 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:10.840 news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your 3 00:00:10.840 --> 00:00:12.960 host, Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco. 4 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:20.240 Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast. I'm Bob DeMarco. On this 5 00:00:20.240 --> 00:00:23.520 edition of the show, I'm speaking with Doug Ritter of Knife Rights. 6 00:00:24.080 --> 00:00:27.680 Doug is a founding member of the organization that is most likely 7 00:00:27.840 --> 00:00:31.550 responsible for for you being able to carry the knives you carry where 8 00:00:31.550 --> 00:00:35.230 you carry them. 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Doug, welcome back to the show. 29 00:01:48.530 --> 00:01:52.290 It's great to see you my friend. Always, always a pleasure. Always a pleasure 30 00:01:52.290 --> 00:01:55.930 Bob. Well, just before we get into some of the activities that 31 00:01:55.930 --> 00:01:59.730 Knife Rights has been involved in lately, let's, let's just go 32 00:01:59.730 --> 00:02:03.290 back through your history a little bit, let people know, remind 33 00:02:03.290 --> 00:02:06.410 people who you are and how you got into the knife world. 34 00:02:06.970 --> 00:02:09.810 I know most people know who you are and they've plenty of them have met 35 00:02:09.810 --> 00:02:13.210 you at Blade Show. But let's talk about the 36 00:02:13.210 --> 00:02:16.970 RSK and how you got into knives. First off, 37 00:02:18.410 --> 00:02:22.090 how did I get into knives? Well, you know, unlike a lot of 38 00:02:22.490 --> 00:02:25.850 current generation folks, I grew up with knives. 39 00:02:26.170 --> 00:02:28.490 I got my first knife from my grandparents 40 00:02:29.450 --> 00:02:32.730 grandfather. I don't know, I was like 6 or 7 years old, 41 00:02:33.290 --> 00:02:36.650 grew up on a ranch. A knife was just part of what you did 42 00:02:37.530 --> 00:02:41.050 and you know, fast forward eventually 43 00:02:41.130 --> 00:02:44.650 end up becoming a survival 44 00:02:44.650 --> 00:02:48.160 equipment authority throughout some of my 45 00:02:48.160 --> 00:02:50.240 flying and aviation 46 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:55.400 work as a, as a 47 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:58.160 journalist. And in 48 00:02:58.160 --> 00:03:01.960 2006, well, no, I 49 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:05.440 guess back up as part of 50 00:03:06.160 --> 00:03:09.600 my survival stuff and my Equipped to survive website, 51 00:03:10.480 --> 00:03:13.440 got to know all the manufacturers and 52 00:03:14.160 --> 00:03:17.760 I would always end up recommending a knife and 53 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:21.600 it would be, you know, get this knife, but, 54 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.360 and there was always something on the, on the end of the butt. And 55 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:28.800 eventually it got to the point where I was able to 56 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:33.520 get a knife manufactured with, you know, my name 57 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:35.440 on it. And, 58 00:03:40.090 --> 00:03:43.850 and about 59 00:03:43.930 --> 00:03:47.690 the same time, you know, we launched knife rights 60 00:03:47.850 --> 00:03:51.690 in. I launched knife rights in 2006 61 00:03:53.690 --> 00:03:57.370 and by 2009 we participated 62 00:03:57.370 --> 00:04:00.890 in our first legislative action at the US 63 00:04:00.890 --> 00:04:04.690 Congress to help get the fifth exemption to 64 00:04:04.690 --> 00:04:08.010 the federal switch right act passed. And the next year, in 65 00:04:08.010 --> 00:04:11.730 2010, we passed our first two bills 66 00:04:11.730 --> 00:04:15.130 through state legislatures. Getting rid of New 67 00:04:15.130 --> 00:04:17.170 Hampshire's ban on switchblades, 68 00:04:18.930 --> 00:04:22.490 dirks and daggers and then passing the nation's 69 00:04:22.490 --> 00:04:25.890 first night claw preemption statute in Arizona. 70 00:04:26.770 --> 00:04:29.330 You know, here we are in 71 00:04:29.410 --> 00:04:32.550 2025 with like 72 00:04:32.630 --> 00:04:36.390 58 wins. Knife laws 73 00:04:37.110 --> 00:04:40.470 repeal preemption bans, 74 00:04:40.470 --> 00:04:44.270 passed some other positive work for knife 75 00:04:44.270 --> 00:04:47.990 owners in legislation 76 00:04:48.070 --> 00:04:50.710 as well as winning a few court battles. 77 00:04:51.670 --> 00:04:55.430 What is a journey? What is a preemption 78 00:04:55.430 --> 00:04:58.950 ban? So preemption means that 79 00:04:59.490 --> 00:05:03.250 no local jurisdictions, cities, counties, towns 80 00:05:03.570 --> 00:05:07.170 can have a knife ban that's more 81 00:05:07.170 --> 00:05:10.890 restrictive than the state ban. Sometimes 82 00:05:10.890 --> 00:05:14.530 we get preemption passed and then go through and get the 83 00:05:14.530 --> 00:05:17.970 state bans repealed. Sometimes we get the state bans repealed, 84 00:05:18.130 --> 00:05:21.850 then get preemption. Every once in a while we get 85 00:05:21.850 --> 00:05:25.660 it all done in, in one state session. 86 00:05:27.820 --> 00:05:31.260 But the, the two pillars upon which 87 00:05:33.020 --> 00:05:36.580 knife rights works are getting rid of knife 88 00:05:36.580 --> 00:05:40.260 bands that have been in existence for 50 89 00:05:40.260 --> 00:05:43.900 to 100 years and passing knife 90 00:05:43.900 --> 00:05:47.580 law preemption so that, you know, yeah, you're in a state 91 00:05:47.580 --> 00:05:51.180 with great law, but you pass a city line and suddenly 92 00:05:51.180 --> 00:05:54.200 you're knife is illegal. So we don't want to do that. 93 00:05:55.640 --> 00:05:58.040 Those are, those are the two things we focus on 94 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:01.080 mostly through legislation 95 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:06.880 and more and more these days through 96 00:06:06.880 --> 00:06:10.280 litigation. We've got three federal 97 00:06:10.280 --> 00:06:14.120 lawsuits currently running, so never a dull moment at 98 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:17.560 knife rights. Well, I want to get to those three federal 99 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:21.230 lawsuits, but before that, where did these hundred year old 100 00:06:21.630 --> 00:06:25.230 restrictive knife bands come from? 101 00:06:26.350 --> 00:06:30.190 Why were these laws enacted in the first place? So the 102 00:06:30.190 --> 00:06:33.710 vast majority of knife bands that were busy 103 00:06:33.710 --> 00:06:37.070 repealing came about either after 104 00:06:37.310 --> 00:06:40.030 the civil war or in the 1950s. 105 00:06:40.830 --> 00:06:44.430 After the Civil War, there was an effort to keep the recently 106 00:06:44.670 --> 00:06:48.270 freed black from having 107 00:06:48.510 --> 00:06:51.870 weapons. First they did firearms. 108 00:06:52.510 --> 00:06:56.190 They couldn't own firearms Then they 109 00:06:56.190 --> 00:06:59.550 started carrying big knives. So that's where we got our 110 00:07:00.510 --> 00:07:04.270 bowie knife restrictions, length limits and, and 111 00:07:04.270 --> 00:07:08.110 a bunch of that kind of stuff after the Civil War and then in 112 00:07:08.110 --> 00:07:11.830 the 1950s, we saw the passage 113 00:07:11.830 --> 00:07:14.460 of bans against switchblades 114 00:07:16.380 --> 00:07:20.140 occur, you know, mostly for totally made up 115 00:07:20.140 --> 00:07:23.980 reasons. And, and that was 116 00:07:23.980 --> 00:07:27.580 another example of some 117 00:07:27.580 --> 00:07:31.380 racist laws passed against Puerto Rican and 118 00:07:31.380 --> 00:07:35.100 black gangs. Supposedly that, 119 00:07:35.100 --> 00:07:38.060 that may or may not have existed in certainly 120 00:07:39.550 --> 00:07:43.150 movies played a part in 121 00:07:43.550 --> 00:07:47.270 spreading that message. West side Story, 122 00:07:47.270 --> 00:07:50.910 that kind of thing. West side Story, it's 123 00:07:50.910 --> 00:07:54.270 it there, there 124 00:07:54.910 --> 00:07:58.510 it. Fake news 125 00:07:58.670 --> 00:08:01.550 is nothing new, let's put it that way. 126 00:08:02.510 --> 00:08:06.110 This was a problem that didn't exist. That was turned into a problem 127 00:08:06.110 --> 00:08:09.860 that existed in the minds of a lot of politicians. It was 128 00:08:09.860 --> 00:08:13.460 an opportunity to say, see, we're doing something about, you 129 00:08:13.460 --> 00:08:16.700 know, nothing really. But you know, 130 00:08:17.100 --> 00:08:20.940 50 years later we spend a good part of our time getting rid of 131 00:08:20.940 --> 00:08:24.580 those bands on switchblades as well as Dirk 132 00:08:24.580 --> 00:08:28.140 Staggers Bowie knives till we fixed it. 133 00:08:29.180 --> 00:08:32.980 Most people don't believe that. Oh, in Texas 134 00:08:32.980 --> 00:08:36.799 it was illegal to carry a boot. Yeah, yeah. Of 135 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:40.479 all places. Of all places. So there, 136 00:08:40.479 --> 00:08:43.999 there are way more knife bands than there are firearm 137 00:08:43.999 --> 00:08:47.239 bands, but there's a whole lot less 138 00:08:47.719 --> 00:08:51.239 because of the work that we've done in the last 10 years. 139 00:08:51.239 --> 00:08:54.879 15 years, I guess. 15 years. I remember in a 140 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.359 high school course studying the 1950s, we 141 00:08:58.359 --> 00:09:02.050 watched Rebel Without a Cause and, and 142 00:09:02.130 --> 00:09:05.570 I know that juvenile delinquency, like that term was a big 143 00:09:06.050 --> 00:09:09.370 catchphrase in the 1950s and you know, fighting against 144 00:09:09.370 --> 00:09:13.090 juvenile delinquency and you know, he used a 145 00:09:13.090 --> 00:09:16.850 switchblade in Rebel Without a Cause. And I know 146 00:09:16.850 --> 00:09:20.530 that that was a big scary thing. Well, the, the, the, the article 147 00:09:20.930 --> 00:09:24.530 in a women's magazine that started all the switchblade 148 00:09:24.530 --> 00:09:28.100 bans by a so called journalist 149 00:09:28.180 --> 00:09:31.820 was titled the Toy that Kills. It was 150 00:09:31.820 --> 00:09:35.380 all about, you know, juveniles 151 00:09:35.620 --> 00:09:39.420 purchasing Swiss blades and going out and killing people. And there, there's not 152 00:09:39.420 --> 00:09:43.060 a bit of factual evidence that that was occurring. 153 00:09:43.300 --> 00:09:46.180 It was entirely made up. So 154 00:09:46.980 --> 00:09:50.420 then, and then we started getting the, the 155 00:09:50.580 --> 00:09:54.170 movies, we started getting the plays. It 156 00:09:54.170 --> 00:09:57.730 just, it just steamrolled into something that 157 00:09:59.650 --> 00:10:03.330 we've been living with for over 50 years, 60 years 158 00:10:03.330 --> 00:10:07.130 now. Yeah, 12 angry men too. I remember seeing 159 00:10:07.130 --> 00:10:10.530 that. So when you're 160 00:10:11.330 --> 00:10:15.010 working on changing legislation in various 161 00:10:15.170 --> 00:10:18.420 state legislative bodies, can you 162 00:10:18.420 --> 00:10:22.260 leverage the, can you 163 00:10:22.260 --> 00:10:26.100 leverage the, the term racism or, or 164 00:10:26.100 --> 00:10:29.500 the fact that these are racist laws to, to kind of convince 165 00:10:29.980 --> 00:10:33.820 legislators to make these changes? It certainly helps. 166 00:10:33.820 --> 00:10:37.660 I, we are the only second Amendment organization that 167 00:10:37.660 --> 00:10:41.500 gets support from the other side of the aisle, if you 168 00:10:41.500 --> 00:10:45.350 will. And, and that, that is a 169 00:10:45.350 --> 00:10:48.710 result of both the fact that most of these 170 00:10:48.710 --> 00:10:52.470 laws we are repealing have some racist roots 171 00:10:52.790 --> 00:10:55.350 and also the fact that all too often 172 00:10:56.950 --> 00:11:00.150 it is those people who are being 173 00:11:00.790 --> 00:11:04.430 charged with crimes involving knives just for carrying a 174 00:11:04.430 --> 00:11:08.070 knife. You know, we're, we're, 175 00:11:08.070 --> 00:11:11.730 we're not about decriminalizing the 176 00:11:12.050 --> 00:11:15.610 illegal use of a knife to harm someone, but 177 00:11:15.610 --> 00:11:19.250 carrying a knife, whether it's as a tool or 178 00:11:19.250 --> 00:11:22.530 for self defense, that's, that's where we 179 00:11:23.410 --> 00:11:26.930 draw the line, if you will. And criminal 180 00:11:26.930 --> 00:11:30.370 justice reform is very important to both sides of the aisle. 181 00:11:31.010 --> 00:11:34.730 And that is a major, that is a 182 00:11:34.730 --> 00:11:38.250 major talking point for us for both. 183 00:11:39.050 --> 00:11:42.410 Second Amendment serves us well on the right side of the aisle. 184 00:11:42.970 --> 00:11:46.490 Criminal justice reform served us well on the left side of the aisle. 185 00:11:47.850 --> 00:11:50.730 It's, it's a unique dynamic that 186 00:11:51.690 --> 00:11:54.090 we get their support. We, we have 187 00:11:56.330 --> 00:11:59.850 Democratic legislators who support 188 00:11:59.930 --> 00:12:03.700 our efforts who are about as anti gun as you can 189 00:12:03.700 --> 00:12:07.140 get. Our success 190 00:12:07.380 --> 00:12:10.740 in Texas started out with a legislator 191 00:12:11.220 --> 00:12:14.740 who decided purely for public 192 00:12:14.740 --> 00:12:16.900 relations reasons to make a point 193 00:12:18.420 --> 00:12:20.980 to sponsor a bill that would have 194 00:12:24.180 --> 00:12:27.780 repealed their switch. Texas had a 195 00:12:28.110 --> 00:12:31.710 possession and carry switchblade day. The total switchblade 196 00:12:31.710 --> 00:12:34.750 day. And, and his point in this 197 00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:38.910 press release and, and appearance on TV 198 00:12:38.910 --> 00:12:42.590 stations was, okay, well if we're gonna allow these evil 199 00:12:42.590 --> 00:12:46.350 AR15s, that we should at least allow switchblades. 200 00:12:46.430 --> 00:12:49.310 And it, it was purely a stunt. 201 00:12:50.270 --> 00:12:53.800 He didn't mean it. And, 202 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:57.560 and I sent our lobby, when I read that and saw 203 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:01.320 and, and saw the online video, I called our 204 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:04.840 lobbyist, said, you're going to Austin. And 205 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.520 he did. And he talked to the legislature and Harold 206 00:13:08.520 --> 00:13:12.160 said, wow. And he's been our 207 00:13:12.160 --> 00:13:15.800 sponsor in Texas getting rid of Texas night bands 208 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:19.000 fully but surely ever since, 209 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.120 and he still hates guns. There's 210 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:27.680 something very sweet about that. I, I love hearing that. 211 00:13:27.680 --> 00:13:31.160 Warms the cockles in my heart. Because what started off as kind of a 212 00:13:31.160 --> 00:13:34.000 cynical stunt has turned into something good. 213 00:13:34.800 --> 00:13:37.520 Yes, look, 214 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:42.160 once you, there are, there is so much 215 00:13:43.280 --> 00:13:47.110 bad feelings about switchblades and 216 00:13:47.110 --> 00:13:50.070 daggers and things like that. 217 00:13:51.030 --> 00:13:54.670 And as a result of this myth that's 218 00:13:54.670 --> 00:13:58.510 built up about how evil these are, and when 219 00:13:58.510 --> 00:14:02.230 we sit down with these legislators and we demonstrate 220 00:14:02.230 --> 00:14:05.910 that, you know, they don't open any faster than, than any 221 00:14:05.910 --> 00:14:09.750 other one hand opening knife, and they certainly don't open any faster than 222 00:14:09.750 --> 00:14:13.200 a small fixed blade knife in your pocket. 223 00:14:14.160 --> 00:14:18.000 You can see the light bulb go on and they're like, oh 224 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.720 yeah, and it's criminal justice that doesn't work 225 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:25.560 in some states. You know, that's not going to work in some place 226 00:14:25.560 --> 00:14:28.000 like California or 227 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:30.960 Minnesota where it's just so 228 00:14:31.280 --> 00:14:34.320 overwhelmingly anti everything, 229 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.160 which is why we're suing people in the Supreme Court, suing the state in those 230 00:14:39.160 --> 00:14:42.960 cases. But it does work for us in the majority of states that 231 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:46.240 we work in. And, and that's been a huge 232 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.000 advantage for a little organization like us, you know, 233 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.720 basically three people in 234 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:57.400 getting all this done. Do you 235 00:14:57.400 --> 00:14:59.240 think that the general 236 00:15:02.280 --> 00:15:05.550 distaste for knives in terms of self defense 237 00:15:05.870 --> 00:15:09.550 as opposed to guns has to do with the personal nature of 238 00:15:09.550 --> 00:15:13.270 using a knife in a self defense? The closeness? I 239 00:15:13.270 --> 00:15:16.670 don't know that it does. I, I, I think, 240 00:15:17.790 --> 00:15:21.630 I think to a lot of the people that we deal with, 241 00:15:21.710 --> 00:15:23.790 so legislators, judges, 242 00:15:25.630 --> 00:15:29.310 they still have this west side image in their 243 00:15:29.310 --> 00:15:32.060 head and they can't get rid of it. 244 00:15:35.180 --> 00:15:39.020 It's amazing that 60 years after that movie 245 00:15:39.020 --> 00:15:42.620 appeared that it still ends up in 246 00:15:42.620 --> 00:15:46.300 conversation. It, you can still see that 247 00:15:47.740 --> 00:15:51.100 the, the mindset of these people 248 00:15:51.980 --> 00:15:55.660 is, it is the result of, 249 00:15:55.810 --> 00:15:59.410 of this myth that, that they grew up with. 250 00:16:00.930 --> 00:16:04.730 I don't, I don't, you know, the, the anti self defense 251 00:16:04.730 --> 00:16:08.530 folks are anti self defense folks, but they 252 00:16:08.530 --> 00:16:12.210 can seem to make it, some of them can see, make 253 00:16:12.210 --> 00:16:14.690 it exception for knives 254 00:16:16.210 --> 00:16:20.050 when they're, when, when you sit down with them and, and demonstrate and 255 00:16:20.050 --> 00:16:23.700 explain it all to them. You know, the vast majority of knives are 256 00:16:23.700 --> 00:16:27.100 used for tools. I mean you can say the same thing for 257 00:16:27.100 --> 00:16:30.220 firearms, but that's different for these folks. 258 00:16:30.860 --> 00:16:34.540 And I'm happy to take advantage of the fact that they're 259 00:16:34.540 --> 00:16:37.020 willing to separate those two issues, 260 00:16:38.860 --> 00:16:42.660 which is part of the reason we've been so successful. So 261 00:16:42.660 --> 00:16:45.660 what is happening on the federal stage right now? 262 00:16:46.870 --> 00:16:50.630 So on the federal stage we are back in court 263 00:16:51.270 --> 00:16:53.830 with our lawsuit challenging 264 00:16:55.350 --> 00:16:59.190 the federal Switchblade Act. With the exception of the import ban, 265 00:16:59.830 --> 00:17:03.470 we're challenging it on second amendment grounds. We 266 00:17:03.470 --> 00:17:06.870 lost the district court in one of the 267 00:17:07.510 --> 00:17:11.030 oddest decisions that you could ever read 268 00:17:12.070 --> 00:17:15.860 by a judge who clearly still has west side Story 269 00:17:15.860 --> 00:17:17.740 in his mouth mind. 270 00:17:20.780 --> 00:17:23.340 We're up on appeal. Our appeal is due 271 00:17:25.180 --> 00:17:26.780 in 20 days. 272 00:17:29.180 --> 00:17:32.780 First draft looks good. The attorneys are, 273 00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:36.740 we're going over that. It's a process. I think we're going to win 274 00:17:36.740 --> 00:17:39.980 eventually. That is, 275 00:17:42.460 --> 00:17:46.260 the government argued that they don't enforce it, but we have proof that they 276 00:17:46.260 --> 00:17:49.580 have and they've certainly not 277 00:17:50.060 --> 00:17:53.580 decreed not enforcing it in the future. 278 00:17:54.380 --> 00:17:58.140 So you know, we've won on this 279 00:17:58.140 --> 00:18:01.500 issue, for example, against Philadelphia 280 00:18:02.460 --> 00:18:06.270 and we will continue Pounding it after Bruin. After 281 00:18:06.270 --> 00:18:08.870 the Bruin decision, we have, 282 00:18:10.550 --> 00:18:11.990 we have good arguments. 283 00:18:14.150 --> 00:18:17.830 We still have judges in both 284 00:18:17.830 --> 00:18:21.190 this issue and many others who decided 285 00:18:21.510 --> 00:18:25.350 that they're not going to listen to the Supreme Court 286 00:18:25.590 --> 00:18:29.430 or they're going to try to find ways to weasel out of what the Supreme 287 00:18:29.430 --> 00:18:31.190 Court said. But 288 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:36.920 knives are one of the most commonly owned arms in America, if 289 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:40.080 not the most commonly owned arm in America. 290 00:18:41.360 --> 00:18:44.480 You know, our, our, our logo says 291 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:49.800 essential tools, essential rights. And when you go to 292 00:18:49.800 --> 00:18:53.360 court, we're talking about Second Amendment rights. And 293 00:18:53.520 --> 00:18:57.000 they're arms, they're common. They're just another 294 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.820 version of a folding knife. They're legal now as 295 00:19:00.820 --> 00:19:03.780 a result of our work in 296 00:19:04.420 --> 00:19:07.620 47 states to one degree or another. 297 00:19:09.540 --> 00:19:13.300 They're legal to carry in 39 298 00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:17.140 states. Some states have some 299 00:19:17.140 --> 00:19:20.500 length limitations, and we've been working on that. But 300 00:19:21.780 --> 00:19:25.340 they are overwhelmingly common. And if they're a common 301 00:19:25.340 --> 00:19:29.150 arm, there really is, and, and they're not unusually 302 00:19:29.950 --> 00:19:33.470 dangerous or, or anything which we could show they're not, 303 00:19:34.830 --> 00:19:38.310 then they're legal under the Bruin decision. And so 304 00:19:38.310 --> 00:19:40.670 it's frustrating to have to go through 305 00:19:41.790 --> 00:19:45.550 district courts who seem to be uniformly opposed 306 00:19:45.550 --> 00:19:49.150 to this. By the luck of the draw we 307 00:19:49.150 --> 00:19:52.910 get, we've gotten those judges in California and 308 00:19:52.910 --> 00:19:56.720 in, in Texas where we're suing on the 309 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.520 Federal Social Blade Act. But eventually we will get to where 310 00:20:00.520 --> 00:20:04.320 we want to be and we're going to win this. It's just going to 311 00:20:04.320 --> 00:20:07.960 take years and a ridiculous 312 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.640 amount of money. And 313 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.440 we'll see what happens with the Department of Justice when they 314 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.940 respond to our appeal brief, 315 00:20:19.250 --> 00:20:22.690 whether they're going to actually uphold 316 00:20:23.810 --> 00:20:27.450 the President and the, and, 317 00:20:27.450 --> 00:20:29.090 and, and the DOJ's 318 00:20:31.090 --> 00:20:33.970 commitment to the Second Amendment like they say they will, 319 00:20:34.849 --> 00:20:37.410 or they're going to revert back to, 320 00:20:40.370 --> 00:20:44.130 to something else and oppose us. And, and we all know that 321 00:20:44.130 --> 00:20:47.830 for. Couple months you mentioned that that 322 00:20:47.830 --> 00:20:50.390 federal judge made the oddest decision 323 00:20:51.350 --> 00:20:55.150 you've heard. What was odd about it? There were a lot 324 00:20:55.150 --> 00:20:58.950 of odd things about it, including completely 325 00:20:58.950 --> 00:21:02.550 ignoring our plaintiff, who is a 326 00:21:02.550 --> 00:21:05.830 Native American who moved from Arizona 327 00:21:06.230 --> 00:21:09.910 to a home 328 00:21:09.990 --> 00:21:13.480 where he lives on a Native American reservation and 329 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:17.160 therefore cannot, could not take his, could 330 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:20.760 not legally take his switchblade with him when he moved. 331 00:21:22.040 --> 00:21:25.880 That is the clearest case of a prohibition under Bruin 332 00:21:26.120 --> 00:21:28.360 in terms of plaintiffs that he 333 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:31.160 literally ignored. 334 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:36.970 He raised some standing issues on some 335 00:21:36.970 --> 00:21:38.290 parts of our, 336 00:21:40.530 --> 00:21:42.690 some parts of the Federal Switch Blade act 337 00:21:44.210 --> 00:21:47.170 for just like. 338 00:21:47.810 --> 00:21:51.650 No, we're not going to consider. You're, you have standing on this issue, 339 00:21:51.890 --> 00:21:55.730 which I don't really want. He literally said basically in as many 340 00:21:55.730 --> 00:21:59.410 words, I don't want to give you standing because I don't like 341 00:21:59.410 --> 00:22:03.070 this, but I have to give you standing on this, this one 342 00:22:03.070 --> 00:22:06.510 section. But you know, the Federal Social Aid act has 343 00:22:06.510 --> 00:22:09.950 multiple sections and I'm not going to give you standing on this other section, 344 00:22:11.150 --> 00:22:14.950 which is just bizarre. And, and then his ultimate 345 00:22:14.950 --> 00:22:18.350 rationale we're finding against us was 346 00:22:18.509 --> 00:22:22.310 that, well, the fact that you 347 00:22:22.310 --> 00:22:26.110 cannot have 348 00:22:26.430 --> 00:22:29.990 interstate commerce doesn't matter because all 349 00:22:29.990 --> 00:22:33.390 these states make it legal and 350 00:22:33.790 --> 00:22:37.590 intra state within the state commerce is legal. Which 351 00:22:37.590 --> 00:22:41.190 completely ignores the entire point of the, the entire 352 00:22:41.190 --> 00:22:43.950 lawsuit. It was 353 00:22:44.590 --> 00:22:48.430 reading it for the first time. It was, you know, bizarre and 354 00:22:48.430 --> 00:22:52.110 scratching your head like what? But 355 00:22:52.110 --> 00:22:55.910 you know, the. Just as we found in 356 00:22:55.910 --> 00:22:59.470 California with our judge there at the district court 357 00:22:59.470 --> 00:23:02.230 level. And, and now here 358 00:23:03.430 --> 00:23:07.190 they know we 359 00:23:07.190 --> 00:23:10.990 are right, but they're grasping at straws 360 00:23:10.990 --> 00:23:13.750 and coming up with utterly ridiculous 361 00:23:14.710 --> 00:23:18.470 theories on why. Yeah, but it doesn't 362 00:23:18.470 --> 00:23:20.630 matter. And 363 00:23:22.150 --> 00:23:25.960 you know, that's the way our system works. The good news is, 364 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:29.760 you know, I think we're, we're going to win. I mean, I wouldn't be spending 365 00:23:29.760 --> 00:23:33.200 this money and time if I didn't think we could win. But 366 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:36.040 it's frustrating to have to go through the 367 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.360 years of effort to get to that 368 00:23:41.360 --> 00:23:44.600 point. It's like they're being willfully oblique 369 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.360 and pretending they don't understand. Yeah, 370 00:23:49.250 --> 00:23:52.890 well, yeah, pretending. Well, like what 371 00:23:52.890 --> 00:23:56.730 they're doing is, is saying, yeah, Brun says 372 00:23:56.730 --> 00:23:59.890 this, but you lose on this basis, which has 373 00:24:00.610 --> 00:24:03.890 no, no standing. 374 00:24:04.369 --> 00:24:08.130 When you actually look at Bruin decisions. So they come up with stuff, 375 00:24:08.610 --> 00:24:12.290 weaseling out with theories that make no sense. 376 00:24:12.850 --> 00:24:16.570 So something recently happened in your state of Arizona. 377 00:24:16.570 --> 00:24:20.310 Tell us about that. So a number of 378 00:24:20.310 --> 00:24:23.910 years ago actually in the, in the town that I live 379 00:24:23.910 --> 00:24:27.550 in, a young man was brutally attacked and almost 380 00:24:27.550 --> 00:24:30.830 killed by somebody who used brass knuckles. 381 00:24:33.230 --> 00:24:37.070 And he survived. They've been 382 00:24:37.070 --> 00:24:40.910 prosecuted. They actually did kill one individual, 383 00:24:41.710 --> 00:24:43.470 though not with brass knuckles. 384 00:24:46.300 --> 00:24:50.140 And the mother of this young man has made it 385 00:24:50.140 --> 00:24:53.700 a campaign to try to outlaw brass knuckles. She's 386 00:24:53.700 --> 00:24:57.380 tried at the legislative level for a couple 387 00:24:57.380 --> 00:25:01.060 years, which we have been able to defeat. And then 388 00:25:01.060 --> 00:25:04.540 she turned her sights onto individual 389 00:25:04.540 --> 00:25:07.820 towns to try to get them to 390 00:25:08.620 --> 00:25:12.410 illegally ban brass knuckles. And, and that's 391 00:25:12.410 --> 00:25:15.970 an issue for us because of karambits and trench knives 392 00:25:15.970 --> 00:25:19.130 and, and D guard buoys and that sort of thing. 393 00:25:20.490 --> 00:25:23.770 And, and we have been able to convince 394 00:25:25.850 --> 00:25:29.650 a number of towns that if you want to do this 395 00:25:29.650 --> 00:25:33.290 for miners, we 396 00:25:33.290 --> 00:25:37.140 have no legal standing to oppose you. But if 397 00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:39.660 you do these for adults, then 398 00:25:41.100 --> 00:25:44.940 that is a violation of both 399 00:25:46.060 --> 00:25:49.820 the Second Amendment, Arizona's constitution, which 400 00:25:49.820 --> 00:25:53.340 has the equivalent of the Second Amendment in it, Article 401 00:25:53.340 --> 00:25:55.820 2, Section 26, and 402 00:25:56.780 --> 00:26:00.380 Arizona's knife law preemption statute. 403 00:26:00.380 --> 00:26:03.750 That as I mentioned, was first in the nation. 404 00:26:04.310 --> 00:26:08.150 And, and they've listened to us and they listened to us until we got to 405 00:26:08.150 --> 00:26:11.430 Tempe. Tempe is a 406 00:26:12.630 --> 00:26:16.350 significantly sized city in the Valley and in the, 407 00:26:16.350 --> 00:26:20.190 in the Phoenix metro area is 408 00:26:20.190 --> 00:26:23.790 home for Arizona State University. And, 409 00:26:23.790 --> 00:26:27.390 and we had the conversation with them and they said yet 410 00:26:27.390 --> 00:26:31.030 tough. And last year 411 00:26:31.030 --> 00:26:33.670 they passed a, a very broad 412 00:26:35.030 --> 00:26:38.670 brass knuckles ban. And, and we've been working 413 00:26:38.670 --> 00:26:42.430 towards fighting it ever since. There's a 414 00:26:42.430 --> 00:26:46.150 process in Arizona that you can 415 00:26:46.150 --> 00:26:49.190 go through when someone unconstitutionally 416 00:26:49.910 --> 00:26:53.710 does something. And the, the 417 00:26:53.790 --> 00:26:57.630 just this week the chairman of the 418 00:26:57.630 --> 00:27:00.990 House Judiciary Committee sent a notice 419 00:27:01.950 --> 00:27:04.990 to the city of Tempe basically saying, 420 00:27:05.710 --> 00:27:09.430 you guys are breaking the law. This is 421 00:27:09.430 --> 00:27:12.910 unconstitutional. You might want to 422 00:27:12.910 --> 00:27:16.510 rethink this. And that's the first step in a 423 00:27:16.590 --> 00:27:19.550 process that under Arizona law 424 00:27:20.760 --> 00:27:23.640 exists for un. Unconstit 425 00:27:23.800 --> 00:27:27.640 unconstitutional violations of law. So 426 00:27:30.280 --> 00:27:33.600 it's a process. This is the first step. We'll see what 427 00:27:33.600 --> 00:27:37.200 happens. A lot of cities and towns, when 428 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.200 presented with these sorts of letters for legislators, 429 00:27:41.080 --> 00:27:44.440 see the light and, and, and either 430 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:48.080 eliminate or change their statute to conform. And that's all 431 00:27:48.080 --> 00:27:51.840 we really want. I mean I never, I never thought that 432 00:27:51.840 --> 00:27:55.520 knife rights would become knuckles rights. Yeah, but, 433 00:27:55.760 --> 00:27:59.200 but, but here we are. And especially 434 00:27:59.360 --> 00:28:02.720 being my own state, it, it's annoying. So 435 00:28:04.080 --> 00:28:06.560 I know recently in Delaware they had 436 00:28:07.840 --> 00:28:11.680 a large action with their Switchblade Act, I believe it was. 437 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.300 And actually friends of the show from Willie Knives where they're 438 00:28:15.540 --> 00:28:19.340 testifying. Yeah, they were, they were, the 439 00:28:19.340 --> 00:28:22.580 Willie Knives folks were a big part of getting this done, 440 00:28:23.620 --> 00:28:26.100 pushing their own legislator to, 441 00:28:27.140 --> 00:28:30.340 to file the, the repeal bill. 442 00:28:30.820 --> 00:28:34.660 And we were happy to get 443 00:28:34.660 --> 00:28:38.180 involved in this, send our lobbyists to 444 00:28:38.660 --> 00:28:40.990 the capital to testify 445 00:28:42.750 --> 00:28:45.710 and ultimately the result was that 446 00:28:46.590 --> 00:28:50.310 you can now carry a, a 447 00:28:50.310 --> 00:28:54.030 switchblade. In Delaware. There are some limitations. 448 00:28:54.190 --> 00:28:58.030 We'll eventually work towards getting rid of those, but 449 00:28:58.990 --> 00:29:02.830 that, that's huge. Delaware was, you know, like Illinois 450 00:29:02.830 --> 00:29:06.400 and some other states where people never 451 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:10.200 expected the law to be repealed, where 452 00:29:10.520 --> 00:29:13.720 we've been successful and as often 453 00:29:13.800 --> 00:29:17.160 happens, it starts out with someone in the state 454 00:29:17.320 --> 00:29:21.080 saying can't we get rid of this? And going to their legislator 455 00:29:21.320 --> 00:29:25.040 or coming to us and working with their 456 00:29:25.040 --> 00:29:28.840 legislator. And, and we are, 457 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:32.660 we, we are very happy when someone 458 00:29:32.660 --> 00:29:36.500 in the state wants to make a difference. We've been 459 00:29:36.500 --> 00:29:39.140 there We've done that. We know how to do it 460 00:29:40.500 --> 00:29:43.940 and we're happy to step in and help when we can and 461 00:29:44.180 --> 00:29:47.979 we're happy to make it happen because 462 00:29:47.979 --> 00:29:50.180 of the expertise we bring to the party. 463 00:29:51.780 --> 00:29:55.300 Well, I think it's very, very important to know your state 464 00:29:55.300 --> 00:29:59.060 laws. Actually, I didn't think that for a long time. Actually I was kind of 465 00:29:59.060 --> 00:30:02.630 like, well, I don't get in trouble, you know, I'm fine. But then after 466 00:30:02.950 --> 00:30:06.470 talking with you a few times, I realized, you know, you could really 467 00:30:06.470 --> 00:30:10.310 be, you really be sent up the river for nothing 468 00:30:10.310 --> 00:30:14.150 or for, for carrying something that you have no intent to use 469 00:30:14.150 --> 00:30:17.790 in a harmful way. The, the vast majority of states 470 00:30:17.790 --> 00:30:21.510 we work in, there are 471 00:30:21.510 --> 00:30:25.110 lots of people illegally carrying, whether it's switchblades, 472 00:30:25.110 --> 00:30:28.210 dirt, staggers, long knife longer than 473 00:30:28.530 --> 00:30:31.490 allowed. And it's not a problem 474 00:30:32.050 --> 00:30:35.730 right up until it becomes a problem. And 475 00:30:35.730 --> 00:30:39.290 that's the issue. There are a lot of places that these 476 00:30:39.290 --> 00:30:43.090 laws are not enforced on a regular 477 00:30:43.090 --> 00:30:46.770 basis, but when they are enforced, it's bad 478 00:30:46.770 --> 00:30:50.290 news for that person. And all it takes is 479 00:30:50.850 --> 00:30:54.340 a traffic stop or a law enforcement 480 00:30:54.340 --> 00:30:57.980 officer who's having a bad day or, you know, 481 00:31:00.780 --> 00:31:02.700 doesn't take much to turn 482 00:31:04.300 --> 00:31:06.940 your day upside down 483 00:31:08.140 --> 00:31:11.740 when all you're doing is carrying a tool or an arm for 484 00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:15.500 self defense. And it's never 485 00:31:15.500 --> 00:31:19.350 been a problem until it's a problem and it's a big problem. That's 486 00:31:19.350 --> 00:31:22.630 when we, that's when we get the phone call. That's when I get the phone 487 00:31:22.630 --> 00:31:24.710 call, that's when I get the email. 488 00:31:26.390 --> 00:31:29.430 I was just arrested, what do I do now? 489 00:31:31.430 --> 00:31:34.470 And it's 490 00:31:35.590 --> 00:31:39.270 depressing when you talk to these folks and see how 491 00:31:41.110 --> 00:31:44.950 these normally law abiding citizens have been 492 00:31:44.950 --> 00:31:48.700 caught up in something that oftentimes they had no 493 00:31:48.700 --> 00:31:52.420 idea that they were breaking the law. I mean, it wasn't even a 494 00:31:52.420 --> 00:31:56.220 case of well, I'm going to carry a swift blade. Screw it. It's a case 495 00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:58.140 of I had no idea or 496 00:31:59.900 --> 00:32:03.580 I feel for these folks. And that's, those are the sorts 497 00:32:03.580 --> 00:32:05.900 of things that caused me to continue 498 00:32:07.340 --> 00:32:09.260 to work on this issue 499 00:32:10.940 --> 00:32:13.180 when I could sensibly retire. 500 00:32:15.290 --> 00:32:19.010 And, and, but, but you can't do 501 00:32:19.010 --> 00:32:22.530 this without a passion for what you're doing. And I'm 502 00:32:22.530 --> 00:32:26.010 passionate about the issue because I've seen how 503 00:32:26.010 --> 00:32:29.770 badly lives are affected when things go 504 00:32:29.770 --> 00:32:32.810 wrong. It's, it's especially irksome 505 00:32:33.290 --> 00:32:37.050 to, to, you know, to say the least when so many actual 506 00:32:37.130 --> 00:32:40.740 violent criminals get a pass or are, oh, 507 00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:44.460 he had a, you know, he had a rough childhood. So 508 00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:48.180 let's let him off essentially and 509 00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:51.620 then some regular, like you said, law abiding 510 00:32:51.620 --> 00:32:55.140 citizen gets caught up and we're going to make an example of this guy. 511 00:32:55.860 --> 00:32:58.500 That's, that's really what gets under my skin. 512 00:33:00.100 --> 00:33:03.900 Unfortunately it happens every day. We're, we're seeing a little bit of 513 00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:07.560 the tide turning with the current administration in, in terms 514 00:33:07.560 --> 00:33:11.000 of actually prosecuting criminals for doing criminal acts 515 00:33:12.360 --> 00:33:15.640 and not prosecuting honest law abiding 516 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:18.360 citizens who are just going about their day. 517 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.960 You know, if anyone's interested in what the law is 518 00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:27.760 in their state, we have our Legal 519 00:33:27.760 --> 00:33:30.200 Blade app. In fact, 520 00:33:31.080 --> 00:33:34.760 literally yesterday the latest update to 521 00:33:34.760 --> 00:33:38.400 the Legal Blade was finally finished by our 522 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:40.440 app controller, our app. 523 00:33:42.840 --> 00:33:46.680 Guy. He, it's live currently on 524 00:33:47.560 --> 00:33:51.160 the App store. For those with apples, it will be live 525 00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.600 shortly. 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We can't list the 533 00:34:21.830 --> 00:34:25.650 knife laws of every city and town and the US but we can tell 534 00:34:25.650 --> 00:34:29.010 you how to easily find those and provide links 535 00:34:29.250 --> 00:34:32.210 to websites that will allow you to find them. 536 00:34:33.970 --> 00:34:37.650 I think it's important, especially if you're traveling 537 00:34:37.650 --> 00:34:41.330 from out into a state you're not familiar with, 538 00:34:41.730 --> 00:34:45.570 to check and see what the knife laws are. There's no 539 00:34:45.570 --> 00:34:49.130 sense asking for trouble by carrying a 540 00:34:49.130 --> 00:34:52.539 knife when you're traveling. That is illegal where you're going. 541 00:34:53.339 --> 00:34:56.939 I do that every time I leave the state. I have Legal App right on, 542 00:34:56.939 --> 00:35:00.499 you know, first page of my phone. And the thing that's 543 00:35:00.499 --> 00:35:04.259 awesome about, about Legal blade or yeah, Legal 544 00:35:04.259 --> 00:35:07.899 blade up is how easy it is to interpret 545 00:35:08.219 --> 00:35:11.939 on a, on a quick, you know, on a, on the, on 546 00:35:11.939 --> 00:35:15.630 the fly what you can carry where you're going. I live it, 547 00:35:15.630 --> 00:35:18.470 you know, in Virginia, near D.C. and 548 00:35:18.950 --> 00:35:22.670 Maryland and I'm always checking this or we went to Delaware 549 00:35:22.670 --> 00:35:26.470 recently actually and you can just tell, you can 550 00:35:26.470 --> 00:35:30.190 see very easily just from looking at it and looking at the color coding what 551 00:35:30.190 --> 00:35:33.830 you can carry. Sword cane. You can't carry that anywhere. Ballistic. 552 00:35:34.390 --> 00:35:38.230 Yeah, there are a lot of places you can carry a sword. Can I live 553 00:35:38.230 --> 00:35:41.790 in Arizona you can carry a sword. I mean you can 554 00:35:41.790 --> 00:35:44.860 carry a Cortana. In fact, we had an instance 555 00:35:45.660 --> 00:35:49.460 a couple of years ago where a gentleman on our light 556 00:35:49.460 --> 00:35:52.860 rail defended someone who's being attacked with the 557 00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:55.740 katana that he happened to be carrying. So 558 00:35:56.540 --> 00:36:00.300 not, not every state is as free as Arizona, 559 00:36:00.860 --> 00:36:04.500 but we're working on it. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So 560 00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:08.300 I, I highly recommend Legal Blade. It's a great 561 00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:11.870 app. It's very easy to see, is very easy to interpret, you 562 00:36:11.870 --> 00:36:14.910 know, especially if you're not a lawyer in your, 563 00:36:15.390 --> 00:36:19.070 it's hard to read laws oftentimes and, 564 00:36:19.070 --> 00:36:22.830 and to really have a good handle on it. So Legal Blade makes it easy. 565 00:36:22.830 --> 00:36:26.509 What do you think about self defense insurance 566 00:36:26.590 --> 00:36:29.230 or, or, or that kind of thing? 567 00:36:30.190 --> 00:36:33.870 Well, we, we have partnered with U.S. law Shield 568 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:41.080 when I started looking at the issue of 569 00:36:41.640 --> 00:36:44.280 what happens in self defense cases 570 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:49.160 with any weapon. But you know, firearms come to the 571 00:36:49.160 --> 00:36:52.880 fore. You know, it turns out that you can be on 572 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.520 the right, it can be a totally righteous 573 00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:00.520 self defense case and particularly in some states, 574 00:37:01.330 --> 00:37:04.130 um, you're the one who's going to get prosecuted 575 00:37:04.850 --> 00:37:08.610 and the legal bill 576 00:37:08.610 --> 00:37:12.250 for that can get huge. And you, 577 00:37:12.250 --> 00:37:15.250 you, you know, there are a lot of good 578 00:37:16.610 --> 00:37:19.650 court appointed attorneys, legal aid attorneys, 579 00:37:20.130 --> 00:37:23.730 but niFlaw and the Second Amendment are 580 00:37:23.730 --> 00:37:27.370 not their strong points. And, and so we teamed 581 00:37:27.370 --> 00:37:31.110 with US Law Shield who cover the use of 582 00:37:31.110 --> 00:37:34.670 any arm in self defense, including your, your 583 00:37:34.670 --> 00:37:38.150 hands, as a way to give our members 584 00:37:41.670 --> 00:37:45.270 for a pretty inexpensive amount of money per year 585 00:37:45.430 --> 00:37:48.950 to protect themselves and their family. If, if you own, 586 00:37:50.710 --> 00:37:54.310 if you own anything, whether it's a firearm, a 587 00:37:54.310 --> 00:37:57.540 knife, a machete, a sword 588 00:37:59.700 --> 00:38:03.500 or a baseball bat with the intent to possibly 589 00:38:03.500 --> 00:38:06.820 use that to defend yourself whether you're at home or 590 00:38:07.140 --> 00:38:10.940 away from home, then you owe yourself and your 591 00:38:10.940 --> 00:38:14.500 family to carry the 592 00:38:14.500 --> 00:38:17.060 insurance that's going to protect your assets. 593 00:38:18.180 --> 00:38:21.750 If something like that happens, I mean there, it's, it's 594 00:38:21.750 --> 00:38:24.590 insane that it does happen. But 595 00:38:25.470 --> 00:38:29.310 to defend 596 00:38:29.310 --> 00:38:32.270 yourself and then find yourself 597 00:38:32.990 --> 00:38:34.910 arrested and prosecuted 598 00:38:36.910 --> 00:38:40.110 because the DA 599 00:38:40.750 --> 00:38:44.430 doesn't like you or doesn't like knives or doesn't like 600 00:38:44.430 --> 00:38:46.520 self defense, you know 601 00:38:49.240 --> 00:38:52.760 that, that, that is unfair and 602 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:56.120 it's annoying that you 603 00:38:56.360 --> 00:39:00.200 should pay 20 or 30 bucks a year so you have the insurance 604 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.000 to save your assets, 605 00:39:04.040 --> 00:39:06.760 save your family from, from going broke. 606 00:39:08.520 --> 00:39:12.220 But we have, we have that solution for 607 00:39:12.450 --> 00:39:16.130 folks. It helps us a little. We get, we get a few 608 00:39:16.130 --> 00:39:18.370 bucks every time someone signs up 609 00:39:20.210 --> 00:39:23.850 and, and it's always nice to get money but, but we did it 610 00:39:23.850 --> 00:39:25.170 primarily because 611 00:39:27.570 --> 00:39:31.010 knife owners and, and all people who 612 00:39:31.010 --> 00:39:34.690 carry any kind of weapon in self defense, you know, need 613 00:39:34.690 --> 00:39:37.730 to protect themselves. It's unfortunate, but 614 00:39:41.200 --> 00:39:44.960 it's a whole lot better than the alternative and it doesn't cost much. 615 00:39:45.600 --> 00:39:48.880 After our last conversation a couple years back 616 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.960 on this show, I signed My wife and myself up for 617 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:56.320 a US Law shield. And yeah, I mean, 618 00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:00.280 it does bring peace of mind. I don't mean to sound like a commercial, but 619 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:03.520 it really does bring peace of mind because I mean, heaven forbid 620 00:40:04.750 --> 00:40:08.510 we have to defend ourselves. I mean, but look at what happened with 621 00:40:08.510 --> 00:40:12.030 Daniel Penny in New York City on the subway, you know, saving 622 00:40:12.030 --> 00:40:15.070 a, a car, a subway car full of people 623 00:40:15.790 --> 00:40:19.310 using jiu jitsu from, from someone who was ready to, 624 00:40:19.549 --> 00:40:23.110 to go all the way and start, you know, he was obviously a 625 00:40:23.110 --> 00:40:25.790 mentally imbalanced person and Daniel Penny 626 00:40:26.910 --> 00:40:30.330 did, did a noble thing and was, was 627 00:40:30.650 --> 00:40:34.330 taken to task by New York City for it. Yeah. 628 00:40:34.330 --> 00:40:37.970 And, and I have people who say, 629 00:40:37.970 --> 00:40:41.370 well, I don't live in New York City or I don't live in 630 00:40:41.370 --> 00:40:45.090 Chicago and that's 631 00:40:45.090 --> 00:40:48.690 great. But you know, there's also civil 632 00:40:48.690 --> 00:40:52.090 actions that U.S. law shield protects you against. 633 00:40:52.410 --> 00:40:55.690 You know, even if the prose prosecutor in the area 634 00:40:56.610 --> 00:41:00.450 decides it was righteous and they're not going to charge you, that doesn't mean that 635 00:41:00.450 --> 00:41:03.970 the, the perp's family isn't going to charge you 636 00:41:04.210 --> 00:41:06.530 or go after you. So 637 00:41:07.810 --> 00:41:11.410 I just, you know, if, if you are of the mindset 638 00:41:11.650 --> 00:41:15.410 that you're going to fight back in self defense, 639 00:41:16.290 --> 00:41:19.490 even if you're using some martial arts, 640 00:41:21.170 --> 00:41:24.930 I just think it's prudent to do so. And it does give 641 00:41:25.170 --> 00:41:28.690 peace of mind. You know, it's, it's the same sort of thing I talk 642 00:41:29.010 --> 00:41:31.730 about when I'm talking about survival stuff. 643 00:41:33.010 --> 00:41:36.850 It's a positive state of mind because, you 644 00:41:36.850 --> 00:41:40.610 know, you're prepared and that 645 00:41:40.610 --> 00:41:44.370 may mean carrying the right survival gear or that may 646 00:41:44.370 --> 00:41:48.090 mean carrying insurance so that God forbid you have to 647 00:41:48.090 --> 00:41:49.100 protect, protect your life. 648 00:41:51.660 --> 00:41:55.180 You're not going to get room because of that. So you 649 00:41:55.180 --> 00:41:58.780 mentioned before we started rolling here that you 650 00:41:58.860 --> 00:42:02.540 will be attending Knife Rights, will be attending the Gun Rights Policy Conference. 651 00:42:02.540 --> 00:42:06.180 What's that and what's the knife rights involvement there? So Gun 652 00:42:06.180 --> 00:42:08.860 Rights Policy Conference is a 653 00:42:09.740 --> 00:42:13.500 event that's held every year. It goes around the country. 654 00:42:13.500 --> 00:42:17.160 This year it's in Salt Lake city, the 655 00:42:17.560 --> 00:42:21.360 like 27th, 26th, 8th, 29th of 656 00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:25.080 September. We 657 00:42:25.080 --> 00:42:28.040 go because we are a second amendment organization. 658 00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:32.680 And while the vast majority of people 659 00:42:32.680 --> 00:42:36.440 think of the Second Amendment as being firearms, the Second Amendment 660 00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.920 doesn't include firearms. It says arms. 661 00:42:40.200 --> 00:42:43.520 We go there because we get a lot of, from these 662 00:42:43.520 --> 00:42:47.120 organizations, we work closely with them in a lot of instances. 663 00:42:47.600 --> 00:42:51.360 We sometimes do amicus briefs in some of their cases 664 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.040 where a positive result 665 00:42:56.160 --> 00:42:59.360 would help us. In our cases 666 00:43:01.200 --> 00:43:04.800 we bring something unique to the party because we aren't 667 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.320 firearms. So we go, we go. And I have often 668 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:11.300 spoken at Gun Rights Policy Conference 669 00:43:12.820 --> 00:43:16.500 because it's important to be there and remind people that the Second Amendment 670 00:43:16.500 --> 00:43:19.300 doesn't just say firearms. And we make great contact. 671 00:43:20.260 --> 00:43:21.700 We've met some of our 672 00:43:23.780 --> 00:43:27.300 most generous individual donors at 673 00:43:27.540 --> 00:43:31.220 this event. So we go every year. 674 00:43:32.420 --> 00:43:36.140 So we'll be in Salt Lake the end of this month and then back again 675 00:43:36.140 --> 00:43:39.660 for Blade West. So, 676 00:43:40.780 --> 00:43:44.620 but, but if anyone is in the Salt Lake area 677 00:43:44.780 --> 00:43:48.220 and would like to spend a day listening to 678 00:43:49.900 --> 00:43:53.620 some of the most knowledgeable 679 00:43:53.620 --> 00:43:57.260 people in the Second amendment community talk about the fight, 680 00:43:58.940 --> 00:44:01.580 it, it is a, a really fun 681 00:44:02.460 --> 00:44:06.150 couple days. If, if you have any 682 00:44:06.150 --> 00:44:09.430 interest at all and, and it's absolutely 100 683 00:44:09.750 --> 00:44:12.790 free. Just, just look up 684 00:44:13.430 --> 00:44:17.270 Gun Rights Policy Conference in, in your search engine 685 00:44:17.270 --> 00:44:21.030 and, and sign up and come and you know, stop by the 686 00:44:21.030 --> 00:44:24.790 table and say. Hi, you know, some of our 687 00:44:25.030 --> 00:44:27.910 listeners and viewers are in the UK 688 00:44:28.630 --> 00:44:32.260 and you know, obviously they don't have a second amendment and 689 00:44:32.260 --> 00:44:35.940 they have, you know, extremely restrictive 690 00:44:36.740 --> 00:44:40.380 knife laws. In your opinion, for what? From 691 00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:44.140 what you know about that situation, what do you think it would take 692 00:44:44.140 --> 00:44:46.820 for the UK to turn that ship? 693 00:44:48.420 --> 00:44:51.780 So bear in mind that one of the reasons I started 694 00:44:51.940 --> 00:44:55.540 knife rights was that I had once 695 00:44:55.540 --> 00:44:59.180 worked for a British company. I had spent time in the uk. I 696 00:44:59.180 --> 00:45:02.810 spent time time in the UK doing some of 697 00:45:02.810 --> 00:45:06.090 my survival work, survival equipment work. 698 00:45:06.650 --> 00:45:10.410 And, and I saw what had happened there and I 699 00:45:10.410 --> 00:45:14.130 did not want my country to 700 00:45:14.130 --> 00:45:17.250 turn into the uk. I don't think there's a 701 00:45:17.250 --> 00:45:20.930 snowball's chance in hell that the UK's attitude 702 00:45:20.930 --> 00:45:24.250 towards knives is ever going to turn around. I mean, 703 00:45:27.230 --> 00:45:30.950 hate to say it, but that's the least of their problems right now. I 704 00:45:30.950 --> 00:45:34.390 mean, you can't tweet something that somebody somewhere 705 00:45:34.390 --> 00:45:37.550 finds objectional lest you end up in, 706 00:45:37.950 --> 00:45:41.590 in jail. It, 707 00:45:41.590 --> 00:45:45.310 it, it's they, they have 708 00:45:45.790 --> 00:45:49.430 lost the concept of liberty, of 709 00:45:49.430 --> 00:45:50.430 free speech. 710 00:45:53.990 --> 00:45:57.830 Self defense is often considered a 711 00:45:58.230 --> 00:46:01.990 violation. It's you, not the perp who is 712 00:46:02.630 --> 00:46:05.990 arrested and charged for defending your home. Even. 713 00:46:06.710 --> 00:46:10.510 We're not even talking about situations where someone has to defend 714 00:46:10.510 --> 00:46:14.230 themselves on the street. People are being 715 00:46:14.230 --> 00:46:17.990 raped, women are being raped, people 716 00:46:17.990 --> 00:46:21.750 are being beat up by gangs and, and 717 00:46:22.150 --> 00:46:25.030 illegal aliens in, in the country 718 00:46:25.830 --> 00:46:29.030 and, and they're the ones, if they fight back, 719 00:46:29.830 --> 00:46:33.670 who are arrested. It's in the news 720 00:46:33.910 --> 00:46:35.350 on a regular basis. 721 00:46:37.750 --> 00:46:41.590 Knife rates exist. So we don't end up like the uk. 722 00:46:41.830 --> 00:46:45.220 Whereas I like to call it the formerly Great 723 00:46:45.220 --> 00:46:48.940 Britain. Yeah, formerly Great Britain is right. I 724 00:46:48.940 --> 00:46:52.180 love we have a Lot of friends there, especially 725 00:46:52.500 --> 00:46:55.860 through my wife who lived there for a while. And it's, it's sad 726 00:46:56.100 --> 00:46:59.940 for me to see, it's sad for me to 727 00:46:59.940 --> 00:47:03.300 see. You know, there was that recent case with the Irish comedian 728 00:47:03.540 --> 00:47:07.340 who was actually in your state and tweeted something and when 729 00:47:07.340 --> 00:47:10.760 he flew back to London he was snatched right at the airport 730 00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:15.080 for a mean tweet. And, and then there was that case in 731 00:47:15.080 --> 00:47:18.840 Scotland with that, with that girl who was that 14 year old girl 732 00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:22.640 who was defending her 12 year old sister and had a kitchen knife 733 00:47:22.640 --> 00:47:26.480 and a hatchet from someone you know, from some scumbag 734 00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.960 who was following her around and now she's the one who's in trouble for it. 735 00:47:30.600 --> 00:47:34.160 Yeah. So Niprite is 736 00:47:34.160 --> 00:47:37.790 determined that the United States is not going to follow in Great 737 00:47:37.870 --> 00:47:41.510 Britain's footsteps. And luckily 738 00:47:41.510 --> 00:47:44.590 we, we have a second amendment and 739 00:47:47.470 --> 00:47:51.189 implementation may not be perfect and 740 00:47:51.189 --> 00:47:54.910 there's a lot of people who oppose it, but it's there. And, and 741 00:47:54.910 --> 00:47:58.510 we're going to fight for it because ultimately 742 00:48:01.560 --> 00:48:04.360 these are tools that most of us use every day. 743 00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.800 Work, play, sports, recreation, 744 00:48:09.080 --> 00:48:10.760 hiking, camping, whatever. 745 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.440 But it is the second amendment that allows us to 746 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:17.160 challenge 747 00:48:21.240 --> 00:48:24.840 jurisdictions who wish to treat 748 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:28.090 them as illegal weapons when they are not 749 00:48:28.810 --> 00:48:32.330 and the use of them as being illegal when it is not. 750 00:48:34.250 --> 00:48:37.610 So how do Americans, how do people support 751 00:48:38.010 --> 00:48:41.370 knife rights? I know there are a lot of different ways, but 752 00:48:41.610 --> 00:48:45.290 kind of run down some of the ways people can support 753 00:48:45.290 --> 00:48:49.130 you. Well, unfortunately what we do 754 00:48:49.130 --> 00:48:52.890 costs money and it costs a lot of money. 755 00:48:54.640 --> 00:48:55.920 Especially post Covid 756 00:48:58.560 --> 00:49:02.200 travel expenses have increased. I mean the fact of the matter is it 757 00:49:02.200 --> 00:49:06.000 costs money and the best way folks can support 758 00:49:06.080 --> 00:49:09.800 us is to make donations whether they donate to 759 00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:13.200 knife rights or they donate to knife rights Foundation. 760 00:49:15.600 --> 00:49:19.440 That is certainly the best way when we put out a call for 761 00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.660 action for people in a particular state 762 00:49:23.060 --> 00:49:25.860 where we are working legislatively. 763 00:49:27.460 --> 00:49:30.420 Please click on the links we give you, 764 00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:35.140 put in your name and address and speak 765 00:49:35.140 --> 00:49:38.420 up in favor of getting rid of these knife bands. 766 00:49:40.580 --> 00:49:43.540 Those, those really are the two primary 767 00:49:44.100 --> 00:49:47.410 ways we do it. I mean we just finished up our first, 768 00:49:48.050 --> 00:49:51.890 our, our annual, I should say Ultimate 769 00:49:51.890 --> 00:49:54.210 Steel Spectacular fundraiser. 770 00:49:55.570 --> 00:49:58.690 And, and, but the fact is people 771 00:49:59.250 --> 00:50:02.290 donate, do donate and we appreciate the donations 772 00:50:02.850 --> 00:50:06.650 year round. We have the ability for you to make 773 00:50:06.650 --> 00:50:10.370 a modest donation on a monthly basis 774 00:50:11.570 --> 00:50:15.350 which a lot of members do join, become a 775 00:50:15.350 --> 00:50:16.430 member. Donate 776 00:50:18.990 --> 00:50:22.670 takes money. That's just bottom line, it takes money. 777 00:50:22.670 --> 00:50:26.430 It takes money to travel to events, to 778 00:50:26.430 --> 00:50:28.270 travel to legislatures. 779 00:50:30.030 --> 00:50:33.870 Unfortunately, when Todd or I have to go 780 00:50:34.910 --> 00:50:37.550 testify before a legislative committee, 781 00:50:38.750 --> 00:50:42.480 it inevitably we get maybe two days 782 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.920 notice, maybe three, sometimes 24 hours. 783 00:50:47.200 --> 00:50:50.000 Those plane tickets are expensive. 784 00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.400 Prior to Covid, Maybe it was 700 bucks 785 00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:57.360 for a middle seat in economy. 786 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:03.040 Today it's. I, I can't remember the last time we 787 00:51:03.040 --> 00:51:06.770 saw a ticket for one of 788 00:51:06.770 --> 00:51:10.290 us go Wabi under a thousand bucks. Because it's last 789 00:51:10.290 --> 00:51:13.690 minute and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And 790 00:51:15.930 --> 00:51:19.370 just about whether it's rental cars or whatever, 791 00:51:19.690 --> 00:51:23.130 even Uber has gotten more expensive. I mean, everything's gotten more 792 00:51:23.130 --> 00:51:26.970 expensive. Yeah. And you know, if we 793 00:51:26.970 --> 00:51:30.570 want to continue this fight, we have to raise the money to do it. I, 794 00:51:30.890 --> 00:51:34.410 I spend the vast majority of my time working on fundraising. 795 00:51:35.260 --> 00:51:39.060 Unfortunately, I hate having to 796 00:51:39.060 --> 00:51:42.620 do it, but I can't do the rest that I enjoy, 797 00:51:42.620 --> 00:51:45.580 which is getting these bans repealed 798 00:51:47.660 --> 00:51:51.380 without doing that, without asking people to make 799 00:51:51.380 --> 00:51:55.060 an investment in the future. I like to say I'm the beggar in 800 00:51:55.060 --> 00:51:58.700 chief at knife rights, but the fact is 801 00:51:59.020 --> 00:52:02.680 that when you help us, you are indeed making an 802 00:52:02.680 --> 00:52:05.760 investment. You're making an investment in a freer America. 803 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.840 You are known for the RSK knives, 804 00:52:10.240 --> 00:52:13.960 originally made by Benchmade and now for the last, 805 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:17.320 I don't know, seven or eight years, made by 806 00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:21.080 Hogue. Awesome. By 807 00:52:21.080 --> 00:52:24.760 the way, I love the automatic. My favorite. I've given 808 00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:28.600 away two RSK that I've had the full size with 809 00:52:28.600 --> 00:52:32.390 the ambidextrous fire lock, the able lock, and I also 810 00:52:32.390 --> 00:52:35.950 gave away the fixed blade, the Mark five, I think it is. 811 00:52:36.670 --> 00:52:40.390 Little one. No, no, the larger one. The Mark 812 00:52:40.390 --> 00:52:43.550 three. Mark three. I'm sorry to, to friends 813 00:52:44.030 --> 00:52:47.870 and, and I love this knife, but, but 814 00:52:47.870 --> 00:52:51.710 my favorite is actually the automatic. I love this thing. 815 00:52:51.710 --> 00:52:54.750 Magnacut. Does this help support? 816 00:52:55.470 --> 00:52:59.010 I mean, how does, how does this help support? So, so 817 00:52:59.170 --> 00:53:02.690 the knives keep a roof over my head. Okay. Without 818 00:53:03.890 --> 00:53:07.610 sales of knives, without, without 819 00:53:07.610 --> 00:53:11.210 the Doug Ritter knife line, I could not afford to 820 00:53:11.210 --> 00:53:14.970 spend all the time I do on knife rights. I mean, 821 00:53:14.970 --> 00:53:18.210 it, it's just, it would be impossible. 822 00:53:18.850 --> 00:53:22.530 So while it's not a question of buy a 823 00:53:22.530 --> 00:53:26.380 knife in a percentage goes knife rights. It's buy a knife so Doug 824 00:53:26.380 --> 00:53:30.220 can continue to do knife rights. Right, Right. You know, 825 00:53:30.220 --> 00:53:32.100 the knives have been very well received. 826 00:53:34.020 --> 00:53:36.980 I am very lucky to, to 827 00:53:38.100 --> 00:53:41.940 be working originally with Benchmade and now Hogue, who are building 828 00:53:46.020 --> 00:53:48.020 incredible knife for me. 829 00:53:51.310 --> 00:53:55.070 It is humbling 830 00:53:55.070 --> 00:53:58.750 to be sitting in a restaurant somewhere and have someone 831 00:53:58.750 --> 00:54:02.350 come up and thank me not just for knife rights, 832 00:54:02.350 --> 00:54:06.190 but they love the knife and they show me their, their knife 833 00:54:06.190 --> 00:54:09.830 that they've got. And, you know, more and more it's the auto. I 834 00:54:09.830 --> 00:54:13.670 Mean, the auto is cool with, with the, with 835 00:54:13.670 --> 00:54:16.040 the able lock, I was like, 836 00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:20.680 for, for me, as a keep it simple, 837 00:54:20.680 --> 00:54:24.400 survival sort of guy, the able 838 00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:27.480 lock worked great. And 839 00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:32.080 more and more people were like, why don't you do an 840 00:54:32.080 --> 00:54:35.760 auto? And I'm like, I don't know that I need an 841 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:39.600 auto. But 842 00:54:39.600 --> 00:54:42.990 we got together with Hogue. You know, they make some awesome 843 00:54:42.990 --> 00:54:46.590 autos. Their mechanism is bulletproof. 844 00:54:49.150 --> 00:54:52.830 Their springs are made by one of the best spring companies 845 00:54:52.990 --> 00:54:56.670 in the country who. People pay a lot of money 846 00:54:57.390 --> 00:54:59.950 to have their springs in their firearms. 847 00:55:01.630 --> 00:55:05.070 And so we came out with the 848 00:55:05.070 --> 00:55:07.400 auto, what, last year? 849 00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:12.280 Something like that. And it's just, 850 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:14.520 you know, it's certainly fun, 851 00:55:16.600 --> 00:55:20.200 but it's also practical. And 852 00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:24.600 I would encourage people to go to Knife Works, which is my 853 00:55:24.600 --> 00:55:28.360 exclusive dealer, and take a 854 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:31.480 look at the, at the knives you can get. For me, it's, 855 00:55:33.090 --> 00:55:36.770 I don't, I don't, I don't really get complaints from 856 00:55:36.770 --> 00:55:40.570 people. Mostly I get people saying, hey, I bought a 857 00:55:40.570 --> 00:55:43.690 mini and now I bought a full size and now I bought an auto and 858 00:55:43.690 --> 00:55:47.290 I really like it. It's 859 00:55:47.290 --> 00:55:50.050 habit forming. I will warn people that. 860 00:55:51.570 --> 00:55:54.930 But it, when you support 861 00:55:55.730 --> 00:55:59.360 me by buying my knives, I really appreciate it because I 862 00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:01.880 can't do knife, I can't do knife rights without 863 00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:06.960 the dug rotor knives being sold. I mean, that's just the bottom 864 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.680 line. I think it makes sense that you do that. You 865 00:56:10.680 --> 00:56:14.360 came out with an automatic because you've cleared the way in so many 866 00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:16.520 places for them to exist. 867 00:56:18.200 --> 00:56:21.320 And that, and that's true. And that was one of the arguments 868 00:56:23.080 --> 00:56:26.600 to do it. It's like, okay, so you've gotten rid of all these bands. Why 869 00:56:26.600 --> 00:56:30.040 don't you have an auto in your life? And, and so 870 00:56:30.040 --> 00:56:33.720 we've, you know, we've got a basic auto. All, 871 00:56:33.720 --> 00:56:37.040 all the folding knives are, are made with Magnacut. 872 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.880 We've got a basic auto with G10. And then we have the 873 00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:44.480 upgraded with carbon fiber and the, and the 874 00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:48.360 violet hardware. Show us, show us 875 00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:52.120 that. Because this one is the standard with E10, by the way. I 876 00:56:52.120 --> 00:56:55.590 love the contouring on the handle and the, and the radial pattern. 877 00:56:55.830 --> 00:56:59.350 You can, you can see the carbon fiber in the violet hardware. 878 00:57:02.630 --> 00:57:06.470 Yeah, it, it, it really is. I think they're 879 00:57:06.470 --> 00:57:10.030 a very good value. Check them 880 00:57:10.030 --> 00:57:13.750 out@Knifeworks.com and support 881 00:57:13.750 --> 00:57:15.910 me so I can support knife rights. 882 00:57:17.510 --> 00:57:21.030 Well, absolutely. I can't say anymore. And, and 883 00:57:21.700 --> 00:57:25.540 before I let you go, you also, they also come in 884 00:57:25.540 --> 00:57:29.340 really cool colors. I love the purple, black and gray version. I think you 885 00:57:29.340 --> 00:57:32.180 held up an orange one, Is that right? Yep. 886 00:57:34.420 --> 00:57:38.180 Okay. I think, you know, October is in the offing here 887 00:57:38.420 --> 00:57:42.220 and I think I might have to get one in orange, you know, 888 00:57:42.220 --> 00:57:46.020 just to be seasonal, you know. Yeah, well, you know, 889 00:57:46.020 --> 00:57:49.810 it's also a good way not to use lose your knife because 890 00:57:49.810 --> 00:57:53.650 when you drop it on the forest floor, it stands out. Yeah. 891 00:57:53.650 --> 00:57:57.410 Yeah, that's true. Well, Doug, thank you so much for coming 892 00:57:57.410 --> 00:58:01.090 back on the Knife Junkie podcast. It's always awesome to talk to you. It was, 893 00:58:01.090 --> 00:58:04.650 it was great seeing you at Blade show this year, as always. I think I 894 00:58:04.650 --> 00:58:08.130 missed you the year before because you're constantly buzzing around 895 00:58:08.290 --> 00:58:12.050 and. I guess, pressing, begging for knives. Begging 896 00:58:12.050 --> 00:58:15.430 for knives for the ultimate steel. Steel. I'm sorry we didn't get you on here 897 00:58:15.430 --> 00:58:19.070 before the Ultimate Steel wrapped this year. Oh, you 898 00:58:19.070 --> 00:58:22.630 got, you got me on at the beginning and I appreciate that. 899 00:58:22.710 --> 00:58:26.350 It's. I love 900 00:58:26.350 --> 00:58:30.029 the nice shows because at this point I 901 00:58:30.029 --> 00:58:33.870 know so many people there. I may only see them once 902 00:58:33.870 --> 00:58:36.630 or twice, maybe three times a year. 903 00:58:37.670 --> 00:58:40.310 And knife makers are so generous to knife rights, 904 00:58:42.610 --> 00:58:46.170 but it's the people. It's always the people. The people in this 905 00:58:46.170 --> 00:58:49.570 community, with rare exception, are just 906 00:58:50.050 --> 00:58:53.770 the most awesome folks. Agreed. Doug. Thanks again for 907 00:58:53.770 --> 00:58:57.170 coming on, sir. It's been a pleasure. Appreciate it. 908 00:58:58.290 --> 00:59:11.160 There 909 00:59:11.160 --> 00:59:14.720 he goes ladies and gentlemen, Doug Ritter fighting for our knife rights 910 00:59:15.120 --> 00:59:18.800 every day. Don't forget to go to Knife Works and pick up an RSK Mark 911 00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:22.120 1 or Mark 3 or Mark 5, whichever is your 912 00:59:22.120 --> 00:59:25.920 pleasure and help support them that way. But also go to Knife Rights 913 00:59:26.080 --> 00:59:29.880 and donate there. Don't forget about US Law shield or your 914 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.720 self defense rights. And by all means 915 00:59:33.600 --> 00:59:37.200 download the legal blade app from Knife 916 00:59:37.200 --> 00:59:40.480 Rights because, well, it could save your. 917 00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:44.520 Save your bacon. So thanks again for joining us on the Knife 918 00:59:44.520 --> 00:59:48.240 Junkie podcast and well, for Jim working 919 00:59:48.240 --> 00:59:51.680 his magic behind the switcher. I'm Bob DeMarco saying until next time, 920 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.360 don't take dull for an answer. Thanks for listening to the Knife 921 00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:58.520 Junkie podcast. 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