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But it's kinda nice to know there are

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at least a few places left that have

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And THC Plus members have over a decade's

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But if you like what I do and

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THC plus is also available on Patreon if

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you don't mind not having access to the

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systems that don't really wanna play with me

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directly.

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And, again, the 7 day free trial is

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standard now.

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But staying independent is a lot more expensive

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This is how we do it. I think

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the value is there, the interviews are better

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for it, and I like being part of

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a very small elite class of great shows

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that have been able to just say no.

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I hope you're able to squeeze me into

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the budget somewhere. Either way, enjoy the free

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first hour and maybe tell some friends if

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you wouldn't mind. We are a little algorithmically

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challenged, if you know what I mean.

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Good luck out there and enjoy.

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The planet's

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puppet masters

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almost surely

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have a plan.

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I find the more we think we know,

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the less we really do.

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be without

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THC?

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Because we

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It's the end of the world as we

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know it, but I feel fine coming in

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hot from the sunshine state. I'm Gregg Carlwood.

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And when you know the power of the

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PR marketing machine and the attention grabbing algorithmic

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everything,

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it's easier to see that people's focus is

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often directed towards a few highly charged stories

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of the week and moving us from one

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staged event, engineered outrage, or public psychodrama

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And an immeasurable amount of things fall through

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the cracks or are intentionally left out of

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our news feeds as to let the psychopathic

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super system keep right on churning and burning.

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Untold corruption, secret agreements, hidden agendas, unseen operations,

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and an endless list of things one must

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go out of their way to learn about.

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And one of those dedicated to deeper dives

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outside of the conventional informational quarantine is the

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great Sophia Smallstorm.

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She's been here 5 times before talking about

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everything from Sandy Hook strangeness, geoengineering, and cell

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phone radiation to transhumanism,

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biological darkness, and the dangers of oxidative stress.

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She still puts out her avatar update newsletter,

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bringing

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subscribers new information found in her own self

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directed research rabbit holes and also blogs at

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about the sky.com

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and maintains a store of health promoting damage

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mitigating products at avatarproducts.com.

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Back after 4 long years, the Federation of

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Natural Life Freedom Fighter oxidative stress alarm sounder

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and geoengineering

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educator, Sophia, welcome back.

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Greg, I'm really happy to be back because

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it was 4 years, and so many people

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were telling me, why aren't you on Fireside

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Chats? And I said, he has disappeared.

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Ah. And you did. You disappeared to bug

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land.

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Bug land. Yes.

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Or Gaitersville, as I like to say. And

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it has its advantages and disadvantages.

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It's true. But it is what it is.

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any fires.

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No. The fires are right around the corner

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as they would say in New York.

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No. You have bugs. We have fires.

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are. We know what they come from,

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and I'm writing a newsletter on that now.

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I always write these newsletters. I fill stuff

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in, and I think of how to pull

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in another thread. I think of these things

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in the middle of the night, Greg.

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I wake up and I go, oh, I

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have to put this in the newsletter, and

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then it's a struggle.

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Should I get out of bed and write

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this down, or am I gonna remember until

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the morning?

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And I tell myself, you must remember this

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until the morning.

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Well, I know you don't have Wi Fi

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on, so you can actually think at night.

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I can think at night. Yes. And I've

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learned a lot of things about those. We

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it'll be a no go.

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Well, hopefully, that won't happen.

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But it is nice to talk to you

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again after so long. You were kind enough

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to send me the last few newsletters, and

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I read them all. Lots of diverse topics

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and off the radar information.

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I figured we could start with blood guacamole

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or this really interesting deep dive you did

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into the cartel controlled avocado trade. I have

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had a few guests who focus on the

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cartels and their drug and human trafficking,

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but it's very concerning that those black market

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profits are now monopolizing

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legal markets with the same cutthroat practices and

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violence.

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Talk to us about some of the surprising

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things you learned on this.

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First of all, Greg, I haven't met a

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single person who doesn't like avocados.

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You know? Yeah. It's almost like baby food.

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It's baby food. It's a great color.

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It's so creamy.

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It has a little taste of onion.

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It slides down your throat.

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Somebody told me they put it in smoothies.

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People make pudding out of it, sweet stuff.

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I cannot imagine. My

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brain and sensibilities

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cannot go in all those directions.

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But there was a time when the avocado

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was unpopular,

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if you can believe it.

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So California,

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the lovely land that you left

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so abruptly

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for your own reasons, California,

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property,

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tract of land sales with citrus. They would

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oh, buy this house because it has citrus

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trees around it, and you can pay off

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your mortgage because you will have oranges and

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lemons.

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the early part of the 1900,

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that started to go stale,

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they had to come up with another gimmick,

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the developers in California, how to sell land.

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they tried all kinds of different fruits,

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kumquats,

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and different things like that. Nothing took until

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they tried the avocado.

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drawings or pictures

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of avocado trees with dollar bills hanging from

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the branches.

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And there was a postal worker. His name

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was Rudolph Haas, h a a s. This

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He worked at the Pasadena post office. He

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made 25¢

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an hour.

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And that's not much.

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had,

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with the help of a horticulturist,

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because avocados are not easy to grow, but

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he had seen this picture of this

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avocado tree with dollar bills hanging. And then

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he plundered his savings and borrowed from his

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sister, and he bought a piece of land

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with avocado trees on it. And he learned

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graft,

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which is a horticultural

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technique,

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with the help of a real horticulturist.

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How to graft avocados and get a hybrid?

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he made this tree

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that was an improvement on the Fuerte type

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of avocado, which was, I guess, the most

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popular one at the time.

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it was then named the Hass avocado

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he began to sell it to his friends

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for several dollars,

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4 or 5

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in a bag,

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he sold for $1. But imagine that's 4

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hours of work. Right? So his tree was

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producing tremendous amount of fruit, and avocado is

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actually a fruit. It's a stone fruit.

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So this Haas creation,

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he had patented it in 1935,

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and it is now the champion of all

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avocados.

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It is smooth and fatty inside.

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It is dark and nubby. It has a

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tough outer skin. The Florida avocados where you

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are, I think they are thinner skin,

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and they're more watery.

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So the oiliness of the host,

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it slides down the throat even better. You

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know?

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And the Hass avocado

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was

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something that managed to take off worldwide, and

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that was actually

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the feat

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of,

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shall I say this or show you?

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Remember 911

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and the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter

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who gave the talk before

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congressional

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group.

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She was representing

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I'm sorry. I I haven't No. It's all

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good. I actually do have this here because

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I mentioned PR and marketing in the intro

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because this did really stick out to me.

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But you wrote, if you remember the incubator

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baby's story that got America into the 1st

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Gulf War, this was tearfully told by a

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young Kuwaiti girl to the US Congressional Human

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Rights Caucus in October of 1990 describing Iraqi

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soldiers looting incubators from a Kuwaiti hospital

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and dropping the babies on the floor.

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The story was made up as part of

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a PR campaign to hustle public support for

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the US led liberation of Kuwait from Iraqi

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occupation. It worked. The Washington DC public relations

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firm

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Hill and Knowlton,

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had been paid 10,700,000

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by a group calling itself citizens for a

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free Kuwait to sell the war to the

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world as news programs later reported when the

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stunt was exposed.

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And we have the very same outfit, Hill

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and Knowlton, to thank for the modern avocado

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craze, which quadrupled consumption

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of the bumpy pear in America in 2022

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or by 2022,

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thanks to prime time Super Bowl ads pushing

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guacamole

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and avocado

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toast at the turn of the century.

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So I do think that's really interesting. I

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just like hearing more examples

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of how the public's attention is directed

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and how demand is manufactured,

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even in areas where you wouldn't expect. People

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always say Edward Bernays is the father of

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the modern American breakfast.

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Eggs, bacon, all that stuff. Because he was

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like, how can I take all the pieces

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of the farm, put it on one plate,

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and sell it to people? Because everything you

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find is a $1,000,000,000

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business to somebody somewhere,

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and nothing ever really seems to be organic.

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Nothing ever really seems to just

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come

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naturally without being

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shepherded along by someone making money somewhere.

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Yeah. So organic in that sense, yes. But,

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Greg, I also learned, and this is quite

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fascinating, that

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avocados,

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even if they're not grown organically

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in soil that's not treated with chemicals,

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and they're usually

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more expensive, the organic avocados. But doctor Mercola

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reported several years ago that his people, whoever

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they are, tested

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the conventionally grown avocados, and there's no trace

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of pesticide in them.

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So you can buy the conventionally grown avocados

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and feel pretty confident that you're not getting

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a big dose of pesticides

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because it's that skin that's so hard. I

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mean, it repels insects.

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The other thing is, though, that you are

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probably buying from a cartel.

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Yeah. That is the thing.

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So

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this is kinda where the story really pops

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off is

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you talk about this one region,

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mikokan,

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Michio kan,

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and that's where 45 of all avocados

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consumed in the US are grown. It's the

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most important avocado producing region in the world,

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accounting for nearly a third of the global

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supply.

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This cultivation requires a huge quantity of land,

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much of it found beneath native pine forests

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and even

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more startling quantities of water. It's often said

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it takes about 12 times as much water

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to grow an avocado as it does a

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tomato.

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You say recently competition for control of the

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avocado and the resources needed to produce it

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has grown increasingly violent often at the hands

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of cartels a few years ago. In nearby

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Europan,

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19 people were found hanging from an overpass

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piled beneath the pedestrian bridge or dumped on

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the roadside in various states of undress and

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dismemberment, a particularly gory incident that some experts

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believe

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emerged from cartel clashes over the multibillion dollar

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avocado trade.

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I mean, wow. It really almost sounds silly

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for that sort of violence to be about

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avocados, but money is money.

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And

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I worry that if they make this big

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pivot, which already seems to have been made,

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there's nothing illegal about selling avocados. So

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you can funnel black market business to legitimate

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businesses,

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and then you're just entrenched in building wealth.

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And if you have these

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monopolistic,

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very cold hearted practices, you know, you can

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deal with things as they come up, but

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you become a little bit more ingrained in

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conventional society and the conventional economic structure.

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Greg, let's give credit to the source of

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this avocado information,

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which triggered

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my whole interest in cartels.

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It came from the Harper's Magazine,

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the literary magazine, not Harper's Bazaar. The November

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2023 issue, there was an article titled Forbidden

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Fruit.

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And this was the article that talked about

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the cartels

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having infiltrated the avocado market.

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So some of the things that you read

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are actually quoted from Harper's. I just wanna

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clarify that some of the stuff you read,

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and I say it's from my newsletter. And

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the only way people are gonna find that

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out is to subscribe to my newsletter for

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god's sake. Right?

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Always be closing.

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So, Greg,

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the reason that

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it takes 12 times the water to grow

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an avocado

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that it does for a tomato,

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look how watery a tomato is. The avocado

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is rich. It's fatty. It's high energy. So

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it takes so much more

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energy from the earth, which is basically plants

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are drinking up water.

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It's the water,

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the amount of water consumption that is a

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factor in the richness of the avocado.

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So what's happening in Mexico is that these

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cartels

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are running the avocado business. They are

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just cutting down trees,

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the native pine forests, which keep Mexico

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properly hydrated. Let's just say the land. So

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the land is drying up. The pines actually

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release water into the air, and the avocado

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suck water out of the ground.

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But it's such a big business because there's

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such a popularity

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all through the world now for avocados,

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particularly in America,

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that these cartels,

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they take money from the growers for every

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kilo of harvest.

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And so the cartels are chopping down the

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pine forest. They're replacing them with avocado saplings

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that are sucking up the water and drying

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up the country.

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This is why

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the avocado

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business is referred to in Mexico as blood

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guacamole.

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And the trees that are growing there are

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the Hass variety,

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which is a hybrid of Mexican and, I

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believe it's Guatemalan

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avocado strains.

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But

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all of these trees come from that first

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tree that Rudolf Haas grafted in his backyard

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in Pasadena

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in the 19 twenties.

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So

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we are looking at control of a country,

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and that's where I go with the rest

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of the newsletter.

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But we have to talk about that little

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independent

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Mexican

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state, Charon,

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because they've done something pretty unusual.

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Yes. Very inspiring. Maybe we could take a

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page out of their book, but tell the

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people about Charon.

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So, apparently,

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the Mexican constitution

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guarantees

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indigenous communities the right to autonomy.

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And in 2014,

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the courts of Mexico

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recognized the municipality

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of Cheran, c h e r a n,

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as

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autonomous sovereign.

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And so it, at the same time, was

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entitled to apparently 1,000,000 of dollars a year

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in state funding.

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So now it's an independent

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zone.

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And because it was granted its independence,

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it changed its whole infrastructure. So I'm gonna

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quote from Harper's.

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The townspeople of Turan kicked out the police

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and local government, canceled elections, locked down the

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whole area.

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Cheran reopened with an entirely new state apparatus.

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Political parties were banned. A governing council had

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been elected. A reforestation

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campaign was undertaken to replenish the barren hills.

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This means the places where the pines have

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been cut down and the avocados were growing.

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Right? Military force was chartered to protect

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the pine trees and the water's supply of

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the town

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and new water filtration and recycling

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programs were created, and the avocado was outlawed.

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Okay. No more avocados

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in Sharon.

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And so they took over, and there are

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signs throughout the little

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area. Planting of avocados is prohibited.

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The community police force, the new police force,

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wears fatigues,

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black jackets with helmets. They carry AR fifteens,

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and they have instructions to destroy avocado trees

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wherever they find them. And anyone who grows

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the illegal avocado will have his land taken

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by the government.

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So they are breeding pine trees in the

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town nursery, and they're planting them where the

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avocado groves once stood.

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And this is their

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reforestation

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program. They are a mere 20,000

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people,

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and

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this is what they've managed to achieve.

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So they changed the gun. They kicked out

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the cartel.

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Yeah. You know, we're led to believe the

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cartels are so powerful and so bloodthirsty and

552
00:21:51,365 --> 00:21:53,684
violent that you can't do any of that,

553
00:21:53,684 --> 00:21:54,825
but here we go.

554
00:21:55,445 --> 00:21:55,945
Now,

555
00:21:56,644 --> 00:21:57,144
Greg,

556
00:21:58,079 --> 00:22:01,059
I did read in that Harper's article that

557
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:02,819
there was another

558
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,579
sovereign area that got its independence in 2018.

559
00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:12,159
But, apparently, now the cartels have infiltrated what

560
00:22:12,159 --> 00:22:12,674
are called

561
00:22:13,075 --> 00:22:13,575
autodefenses.

562
00:22:14,434 --> 00:22:16,455
These are groups that defend

563
00:22:16,994 --> 00:22:17,494
themselves.

564
00:22:18,035 --> 00:22:19,815
And now you can't even tell

565
00:22:20,434 --> 00:22:20,934
what's

566
00:22:21,235 --> 00:22:24,375
real defense, citizen defense, and what's a cartel.

567
00:22:25,509 --> 00:22:28,250
We always say in the alt media movement

568
00:22:28,309 --> 00:22:29,849
that the bad guys infiltrate

569
00:22:30,150 --> 00:22:30,650
us.

570
00:22:31,269 --> 00:22:33,450
And today, I've never heard of

571
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:37,529
us wanting to infiltrate the bad guys. Right?

572
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:38,169
Right.

573
00:22:38,724 --> 00:22:40,804
Oh, why don't we? What's the matter with

574
00:22:40,804 --> 00:22:41,304
us?

575
00:22:42,325 --> 00:22:44,345
Well, I think the reason is because

576
00:22:45,125 --> 00:22:46,724
the bad guys, you know, are kind of

577
00:22:46,724 --> 00:22:47,544
the established

578
00:22:48,484 --> 00:22:51,044
structure, and anyone who gets brought into the

579
00:22:51,044 --> 00:22:52,264
established structure

580
00:22:52,740 --> 00:22:53,240
is

581
00:22:53,940 --> 00:22:57,299
immediately suspected of of being dirty. So it's

582
00:22:57,299 --> 00:22:58,519
really hard to

583
00:22:59,140 --> 00:22:59,880
be a

584
00:23:00,339 --> 00:23:02,440
champion of the light when you're

585
00:23:03,059 --> 00:23:05,799
swimming around in the darkness because we've been

586
00:23:06,205 --> 00:23:08,525
made to be so skeptical over the years

587
00:23:08,525 --> 00:23:10,525
that no one would trust that person to

588
00:23:10,525 --> 00:23:12,705
actually be trying to do anything good.

589
00:23:13,484 --> 00:23:15,325
You mean if we come back to our

590
00:23:15,325 --> 00:23:16,065
our group,

591
00:23:16,684 --> 00:23:19,644
having once infiltrated the cartel let's call we

592
00:23:19,644 --> 00:23:21,789
are run by cartels. You know? That's the

593
00:23:21,789 --> 00:23:22,289
reality.

594
00:23:23,230 --> 00:23:25,569
And these cartels have apparently existed

595
00:23:25,869 --> 00:23:27,950
for a very long time. In the middle

596
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:30,369
ages, they were merchant groups,

597
00:23:31,230 --> 00:23:32,529
and they ran things.

598
00:23:33,069 --> 00:23:35,069
So the definition is a group of producers

599
00:23:35,069 --> 00:23:37,384
who collude to control the supply or prices

600
00:23:37,384 --> 00:23:38,924
of a type of good or service.

601
00:23:39,544 --> 00:23:41,404
So, oh, they were merchant guilds,

602
00:23:41,784 --> 00:23:42,845
guilds and syndicates,

603
00:23:43,224 --> 00:23:43,724
associations

604
00:23:44,105 --> 00:23:44,924
of craftsmen.

605
00:23:45,464 --> 00:23:48,024
Right. British East India Company, that kind of

606
00:23:48,024 --> 00:23:48,524
thing.

607
00:23:49,159 --> 00:23:51,720
Right. But even smaller groups than that. So

608
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,019
we've always had

609
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:53,900
these

610
00:23:54,759 --> 00:23:55,259
cartels

611
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:56,619
hanging around,

612
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:57,740
hovering,

613
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,599
breathing down our necks. And then we had

614
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:01,099
these

615
00:24:01,924 --> 00:24:04,904
larger groups that use cartels to run economies,

616
00:24:05,204 --> 00:24:06,184
these authoritarian

617
00:24:06,884 --> 00:24:07,384
regimes.

618
00:24:08,884 --> 00:24:10,585
So now, you know, we have

619
00:24:11,125 --> 00:24:12,744
the world being run by

620
00:24:13,365 --> 00:24:15,464
ugly black cartels, basically.

621
00:24:16,509 --> 00:24:17,809
That's what I think.

622
00:24:18,269 --> 00:24:20,349
Well, I agree with you. And the whole

623
00:24:20,349 --> 00:24:21,569
idea of infiltration

624
00:24:22,429 --> 00:24:22,929
of

625
00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:25,549
the cartels I mean, let's just say the

626
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:26,049
American

627
00:24:26,669 --> 00:24:28,289
machine, the big superstructure

628
00:24:29,069 --> 00:24:31,410
of government colluding with these

629
00:24:32,375 --> 00:24:34,934
robber barons, these cartels, if we wanna use

630
00:24:34,934 --> 00:24:35,514
the term.

631
00:24:36,134 --> 00:24:37,974
You know, a lot of people think that

632
00:24:37,974 --> 00:24:40,954
has happened. I don't really think so, but

633
00:24:41,174 --> 00:24:43,414
we are recording this right before a new

634
00:24:43,414 --> 00:24:43,914
administration

635
00:24:44,214 --> 00:24:45,274
or an old administration

636
00:24:45,815 --> 00:24:46,315
retakes

637
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:47,450
control,

638
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:49,829
and a lot of people think that this

639
00:24:49,829 --> 00:24:51,049
is an infiltration

640
00:24:51,429 --> 00:24:52,890
of the traditional system

641
00:24:53,429 --> 00:24:56,089
by people who do have good intentions.

642
00:24:57,349 --> 00:24:59,829
You know, that's obviously out there. I'm curious

643
00:24:59,829 --> 00:25:01,190
what you think about it. By the time

644
00:25:01,190 --> 00:25:03,855
this goes out to people, the inauguration will

645
00:25:03,855 --> 00:25:06,095
have likely already happened. But I know you've

646
00:25:06,095 --> 00:25:08,595
followed RFK Jr for a long time,

647
00:25:09,134 --> 00:25:11,375
and that's kind of gotta be something that's

648
00:25:11,375 --> 00:25:14,515
a little bit interesting, if not actually exciting,

649
00:25:14,815 --> 00:25:16,809
that he would be involved in things at

650
00:25:16,809 --> 00:25:18,109
a high level considering

651
00:25:18,650 --> 00:25:19,630
what he says.

652
00:25:20,170 --> 00:25:21,930
Now there's a lot of people talking about

653
00:25:21,930 --> 00:25:23,789
that whole thing being infiltrated

654
00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:26,170
and that they've had to sit down and

655
00:25:26,170 --> 00:25:26,670
negotiate

656
00:25:26,970 --> 00:25:29,049
deals where it's like, look. You can talk

657
00:25:29,049 --> 00:25:31,130
about seed oils, but you can't talk about

658
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:33,825
vaccines anymore. We can solve this problem over

659
00:25:33,825 --> 00:25:35,585
here. We'll let you do that, but you're

660
00:25:35,585 --> 00:25:38,144
not gonna upset this over there. And because

661
00:25:38,144 --> 00:25:40,625
you're right. It is all cartels. There's money

662
00:25:40,625 --> 00:25:42,085
flowing in certain directions,

663
00:25:42,704 --> 00:25:45,845
and any truth that's a threat to that

664
00:25:46,410 --> 00:25:50,109
has to be carefully negotiated down so that

665
00:25:50,170 --> 00:25:52,250
the same old people can make the same

666
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:53,710
amounts of money. But

667
00:25:54,090 --> 00:25:56,250
in terms of infiltration, it's just funny you

668
00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:58,890
bring it up because that conversation, though I

669
00:25:58,890 --> 00:26:01,049
think it might be naive, is happening right

670
00:26:01,049 --> 00:26:04,295
now. I'm curious what you think. Well, Greg,

671
00:26:04,835 --> 00:26:06,775
I believe that these appointments,

672
00:26:07,394 --> 00:26:09,955
like RFK Jr, have to be approved by

673
00:26:09,955 --> 00:26:11,095
Congress. Right?

674
00:26:11,955 --> 00:26:12,695
And so

675
00:26:13,075 --> 00:26:14,535
if and when that happens,

676
00:26:14,910 --> 00:26:17,490
that's really the determining factor.

677
00:26:18,109 --> 00:26:19,950
Is he ever gonna do anything? And then

678
00:26:19,950 --> 00:26:21,869
you're right. He can talk about seed oils,

679
00:26:21,869 --> 00:26:23,390
but he might be told not to talk

680
00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:25,090
about this, that, or the other thing.

681
00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:27,585
Lot of Kennedys have been bumped off.

682
00:26:28,384 --> 00:26:29,284
That's a scary

683
00:26:29,664 --> 00:26:30,164
thing.

684
00:26:31,505 --> 00:26:33,204
But the government of Mexico,

685
00:26:33,505 --> 00:26:35,125
I found this very interesting,

686
00:26:35,505 --> 00:26:38,944
apparently begged its cartels to please put their

687
00:26:38,944 --> 00:26:40,804
profits in the national banks

688
00:26:41,509 --> 00:26:44,009
because, otherwise, there would be no Mexico.

689
00:26:45,509 --> 00:26:47,750
Right. You do talk about that a good

690
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:49,529
amount and just really how

691
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:51,929
interconnected everything is because

692
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:55,394
these cartels and these black markets, it all

693
00:26:55,394 --> 00:26:57,075
does go back quite far and it is

694
00:26:57,075 --> 00:26:59,494
all integrated. There's kind of a love triangle

695
00:26:59,714 --> 00:27:02,835
between the cartels, the Mexican government, and even

696
00:27:02,835 --> 00:27:05,494
the US government. You mentioned that if the

697
00:27:06,115 --> 00:27:06,615
drug

698
00:27:06,929 --> 00:27:10,210
business vanished, the US economy would shrink 19

699
00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:13,509
to 22%, and the Mexican economy would shrink

700
00:27:14,129 --> 00:27:14,629
63%,

701
00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:16,149
and

702
00:27:16,769 --> 00:27:19,964
those numbers are pretty staggering. I've even heard

703
00:27:20,024 --> 00:27:22,744
Catherine Austin Fitz talk about how in the

704
00:27:22,744 --> 00:27:23,244
US,

705
00:27:24,345 --> 00:27:26,365
all the way down to the street level,

706
00:27:26,424 --> 00:27:28,924
drug trafficking is oftentimes the only

707
00:27:29,224 --> 00:27:32,284
money flowing through poor inner city communities,

708
00:27:32,585 --> 00:27:34,980
and it ends up propping up mom and

709
00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:38,819
pop restaurants or barbershops or whatever local community

710
00:27:38,819 --> 00:27:40,259
there is because the only people who have

711
00:27:40,259 --> 00:27:42,259
the money to spend in the community is

712
00:27:42,259 --> 00:27:45,220
people selling drugs. Even the corporate chains would

713
00:27:45,220 --> 00:27:47,779
probably close a few locations if that drug

714
00:27:47,779 --> 00:27:50,575
money wasn't circulating through those neighborhoods.

715
00:27:51,115 --> 00:27:53,194
So it is just interesting to think about

716
00:27:53,194 --> 00:27:55,595
the domino effect of it all. We do

717
00:27:55,595 --> 00:27:57,134
have a president who's saying

718
00:27:57,434 --> 00:28:00,734
we should call the cartels a terrorist organization

719
00:28:00,875 --> 00:28:03,454
and use the full weight of the military.

720
00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:05,390
Now that could just

721
00:28:05,769 --> 00:28:06,509
be the idea

722
00:28:07,049 --> 00:28:09,690
that military contractors came up with trying to

723
00:28:09,690 --> 00:28:10,590
find a new

724
00:28:11,049 --> 00:28:13,769
conflict to spend the big budget on and

725
00:28:13,769 --> 00:28:16,424
to justify an even bigger budget. But, yeah,

726
00:28:16,424 --> 00:28:18,605
everything is really integrated, and

727
00:28:19,144 --> 00:28:21,944
it seems like both economies would suffer greatly

728
00:28:21,944 --> 00:28:23,865
if something was actually done about the drug

729
00:28:23,865 --> 00:28:24,365
trade.

730
00:28:25,144 --> 00:28:27,164
Greg, I read a fantastic

731
00:28:27,625 --> 00:28:29,865
book, and I ordered so many copies of

732
00:28:29,865 --> 00:28:30,365
it.

733
00:28:31,069 --> 00:28:33,150
I really want people to read this book.

734
00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:35,329
It's in my store, avatar products.com,

735
00:28:35,789 --> 00:28:37,569
and it's called Down by the River.

736
00:28:37,869 --> 00:28:39,809
It's by a very, very

737
00:28:40,829 --> 00:28:42,609
amazing writer. Every

738
00:28:43,309 --> 00:28:45,490
line he writes is fantastic

739
00:28:46,065 --> 00:28:47,764
to the ear. Alright.

740
00:28:48,065 --> 00:28:50,304
So his name is Charles Bowden, and this

741
00:28:50,304 --> 00:28:52,865
book is Down by the River. And everyone

742
00:28:52,865 --> 00:28:54,644
who lives in America and

743
00:28:55,424 --> 00:28:57,744
who lives in Mexico should really read this

744
00:28:57,744 --> 00:29:00,839
book. Down by the River, Charles Boden. So

745
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:02,700
it was written in 2002,

746
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,440
and it's about the West Texas border town

747
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,500
of El Paso,

748
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:09,019
which faces

749
00:29:09,639 --> 00:29:11,099
the city of Juarez

750
00:29:11,644 --> 00:29:13,105
in the state of Chihuahua,

751
00:29:13,644 --> 00:29:15,884
and the Rio Grande kind of flows between

752
00:29:15,884 --> 00:29:16,865
the two cities.

753
00:29:17,404 --> 00:29:17,904
And

754
00:29:18,845 --> 00:29:20,144
El Paso Juarez

755
00:29:20,684 --> 00:29:21,825
is an interface

756
00:29:22,605 --> 00:29:23,424
that is

757
00:29:24,690 --> 00:29:27,909
very interesting and really kind of replicates

758
00:29:28,690 --> 00:29:29,509
this relationship

759
00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:31,750
between America and Mexico.

760
00:29:32,609 --> 00:29:34,609
Somebody I know who lived in El Paso

761
00:29:34,609 --> 00:29:37,169
for many years told me it's not even

762
00:29:37,169 --> 00:29:37,669
America.

763
00:29:38,615 --> 00:29:40,075
It is a crazy place.

764
00:29:40,535 --> 00:29:43,275
And Juarez is even worse.

765
00:29:43,575 --> 00:29:44,075
Okay?

766
00:29:44,535 --> 00:29:45,914
It is so poor.

767
00:29:46,695 --> 00:29:49,494
And all these people in Mexico, these young,

768
00:29:49,494 --> 00:29:52,055
able people, they filter into the cities of

769
00:29:52,055 --> 00:29:55,090
Mexico looking for work, and there's no work.

770
00:29:55,470 --> 00:29:56,210
The Mexican

771
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:57,250
economy

772
00:29:57,549 --> 00:30:00,369
has really been destroyed by a series of,

773
00:30:00,590 --> 00:30:02,289
we'll put in quotes, presidents.

774
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:05,250
And I go through that in this particular

775
00:30:05,390 --> 00:30:05,890
newsletter,

776
00:30:06,430 --> 00:30:08,805
and Boden goes through that in the book.

777
00:30:09,045 --> 00:30:10,884
But he writes, and it was kind of

778
00:30:10,884 --> 00:30:13,785
shocking for me to read this and consider

779
00:30:13,845 --> 00:30:15,065
it, that

780
00:30:15,765 --> 00:30:16,904
the drug merchants

781
00:30:17,924 --> 00:30:18,664
in Mexico

782
00:30:18,965 --> 00:30:21,945
are really the most honest players

783
00:30:23,069 --> 00:30:25,069
in the land. And these people who come

784
00:30:25,069 --> 00:30:27,230
into the cities and look for work and

785
00:30:27,230 --> 00:30:29,329
they don't find work, well, there are drugs.

786
00:30:29,549 --> 00:30:31,869
There's drugs that you can run even though

787
00:30:31,869 --> 00:30:32,769
there's no work.

788
00:30:33,149 --> 00:30:34,289
So they take on

789
00:30:34,829 --> 00:30:35,329
whatever

790
00:30:36,095 --> 00:30:39,234
tasks they have within the cartels as farriers

791
00:30:39,455 --> 00:30:41,615
or god knows what. I don't know how

792
00:30:41,615 --> 00:30:42,515
it all works.

793
00:30:42,815 --> 00:30:43,315
But

794
00:30:43,934 --> 00:30:44,434
these

795
00:30:45,375 --> 00:30:46,355
drug merchants,

796
00:30:47,375 --> 00:30:48,994
vicious, greedy, murderous

797
00:30:49,455 --> 00:30:50,355
as they are,

798
00:30:51,809 --> 00:30:54,289
they employ people based on their talents. They're

799
00:30:54,289 --> 00:30:57,109
not concerned with sex, race, class, color, religion.

800
00:30:57,410 --> 00:30:59,569
And they are also, Boden writes, one of

801
00:30:59,569 --> 00:31:01,970
the few industries in the developing sectors of

802
00:31:01,970 --> 00:31:03,990
the earth that really do redistribute

803
00:31:04,369 --> 00:31:06,470
income. And this is what you just said.

804
00:31:07,054 --> 00:31:09,954
They do so at a level without parallel.

805
00:31:10,575 --> 00:31:11,075
Okay.

806
00:31:11,454 --> 00:31:13,234
Money is dispersed

807
00:31:13,934 --> 00:31:16,414
among people who really need it, but it

808
00:31:16,414 --> 00:31:18,674
is a drug industry that they're participating

809
00:31:18,974 --> 00:31:21,740
in. This is way more money than in

810
00:31:21,740 --> 00:31:22,880
these sweatshops

811
00:31:23,339 --> 00:31:24,720
where they have to stitch

812
00:31:25,019 --> 00:31:25,519
garments

813
00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:28,720
for people to buy from Target and Walmart

814
00:31:29,099 --> 00:31:30,559
on the other side of the border.

815
00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:34,015
So drugs as a major part of the

816
00:31:34,015 --> 00:31:35,555
economy of Mexico and America,

817
00:31:35,934 --> 00:31:37,775
put money directly in the hands of the

818
00:31:37,775 --> 00:31:40,015
poor who need it, and they can't get

819
00:31:40,015 --> 00:31:42,035
it in any other kind of job sector.

820
00:31:42,815 --> 00:31:44,595
Yeah. It's a little strange

821
00:31:44,894 --> 00:31:46,820
how it's kinda got a little bit of

822
00:31:46,820 --> 00:31:48,759
a Robin Hood effect, you could say.

823
00:31:49,220 --> 00:31:49,720
Yes.

824
00:31:50,099 --> 00:31:50,599
Exactly.

825
00:31:51,539 --> 00:31:52,039
So

826
00:31:53,539 --> 00:31:54,839
if you take away

827
00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:57,619
and Boden wrote this book in the early

828
00:31:57,619 --> 00:31:59,559
2000. Alright? So Juarez,

829
00:32:00,125 --> 00:32:01,505
I read in my newsletter,

830
00:32:02,045 --> 00:32:04,705
decorated by mudhuts and raw sewage,

831
00:32:05,805 --> 00:32:07,025
is looking

832
00:32:07,565 --> 00:32:09,825
across the river at a first world economy.

833
00:32:10,045 --> 00:32:12,045
And that's really how the world is. There's

834
00:32:12,045 --> 00:32:12,945
a separation

835
00:32:13,325 --> 00:32:13,825
between

836
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:16,779
very poor brown skinned people

837
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,220
who toil away

838
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,220
and do whatever they can to be like

839
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,240
the much richer white skinned people on the

840
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,460
other side of the tracks.

841
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:27,820
So

842
00:32:28,494 --> 00:32:31,294
I am actually continuing this discussion in my

843
00:32:31,294 --> 00:32:34,734
current newsletter, but you asked what's gonna happen.

844
00:32:34,734 --> 00:32:37,054
Are there well intentioned people who are coming

845
00:32:37,054 --> 00:32:39,454
into political office now, and are they gonna

846
00:32:39,454 --> 00:32:40,914
make a change in the country?

847
00:32:41,775 --> 00:32:42,275
Look.

848
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:44,539
I don't know. I don't have a crystal

849
00:32:44,679 --> 00:32:45,179
ball.

850
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,019
We hope,

851
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:47,980
but

852
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,619
we could get metaphysical about this.

853
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:53,500
I don't know if we should. We should.

854
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:54,940
Really? Okay.

855
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,400
What do you mean by getting metaphysical about

856
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:57,900
this?

857
00:32:58,734 --> 00:32:59,794
Alright. So

858
00:33:00,494 --> 00:33:01,954
how do I say this?

859
00:33:02,894 --> 00:33:04,894
I think we live in a dimension that

860
00:33:04,894 --> 00:33:08,095
is always going to booby trap us and

861
00:33:08,095 --> 00:33:10,034
oppress us. And it's really about

862
00:33:10,494 --> 00:33:11,474
how we meet

863
00:33:12,259 --> 00:33:14,500
these booby traps and how we meet these

864
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:15,000
constant

865
00:33:15,539 --> 00:33:16,039
challenges.

866
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:17,639
Now, you know,

867
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:19,619
if you look at a sparrow, I always

868
00:33:19,619 --> 00:33:20,119
observe

869
00:33:20,579 --> 00:33:21,559
small creatures.

870
00:33:22,339 --> 00:33:24,679
I live on a canyon, and these creatures

871
00:33:24,819 --> 00:33:25,480
are constantly

872
00:33:26,065 --> 00:33:28,884
flittering about. They're frightened a lot of the

873
00:33:28,945 --> 00:33:31,424
time. They're always looking over their shoulders. You

874
00:33:31,424 --> 00:33:33,585
make the slightest move, and they will hop

875
00:33:33,585 --> 00:33:36,305
off or fly off or whatever. And that's

876
00:33:36,305 --> 00:33:38,085
kind of how we are in our lives,

877
00:33:38,259 --> 00:33:40,179
but we want to be propped up by

878
00:33:40,179 --> 00:33:41,799
the state. We expect

879
00:33:42,339 --> 00:33:44,839
that our economy and our integration

880
00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:46,279
into this system,

881
00:33:47,460 --> 00:33:49,220
when we turn the tap, the water should

882
00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:49,720
flow.

883
00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:52,740
When we flip the light switch, we should

884
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:54,704
have light. I mean, what would it be

885
00:33:54,704 --> 00:33:57,105
like? I bought a book that is about

886
00:33:57,105 --> 00:33:59,265
the history of light and how people had

887
00:33:59,265 --> 00:34:01,845
to dip candles and how smelly they were

888
00:34:02,224 --> 00:34:05,184
and how laborious it was to make a

889
00:34:05,184 --> 00:34:06,964
candle out of beef tallow.

890
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,119
And here we waltz into our room. We

891
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,760
just hit the switch and there's power. And

892
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,400
then we complain that the utility company is

893
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,039
charging us so much for the bill. You

894
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:17,539
know?

895
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:19,940
But would we like to dip candles?

896
00:34:20,744 --> 00:34:22,844
Would we like to save our beef fat?

897
00:34:24,664 --> 00:34:27,224
We don't think in those terms anymore. We

898
00:34:27,224 --> 00:34:28,764
don't think how much time

899
00:34:29,065 --> 00:34:31,565
and how much labor and energy and planning

900
00:34:31,625 --> 00:34:32,364
it took

901
00:34:32,744 --> 00:34:33,964
to survive.

902
00:34:34,585 --> 00:34:37,510
You know? Right. Even travel too. Like, it'd

903
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:39,049
be really hard for a person

904
00:34:39,670 --> 00:34:41,670
a few 100 years ago to grow up

905
00:34:41,670 --> 00:34:43,909
in Missouri, move to California, and then move

906
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:45,909
to Florida, yet I took it for granted

907
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:47,530
that it was quite easy to do.

908
00:34:48,164 --> 00:34:49,385
Yeah. Because you had

909
00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:51,305
U Haul, and

910
00:34:51,925 --> 00:34:54,565
you had a plan you could visit first.

911
00:34:54,565 --> 00:34:56,664
I mean, think how long it took.

912
00:34:57,285 --> 00:34:58,965
When I was a little girl in the

913
00:34:58,965 --> 00:35:00,905
5th grade, we had an assignment.

914
00:35:01,569 --> 00:35:03,250
It was a class assignment. We got to

915
00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:04,630
make a giant mural

916
00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:08,150
for the hallway of the school, and everybody

917
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:08,710
had

918
00:35:09,010 --> 00:35:11,809
a piece of American history, I think it

919
00:35:11,809 --> 00:35:12,309
was,

920
00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:15,170
and a part of the mural to put

921
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:15,670
a

922
00:35:16,085 --> 00:35:17,704
painting or drawing on.

923
00:35:18,085 --> 00:35:20,244
And my part of the mural was the

924
00:35:20,244 --> 00:35:22,885
far end, and I decided I don't know

925
00:35:22,885 --> 00:35:25,605
what the actual topic was that I was

926
00:35:25,605 --> 00:35:28,005
given, but my part was the picture of

927
00:35:28,005 --> 00:35:29,065
a covered wagon,

928
00:35:29,789 --> 00:35:31,489
and it said on it California

929
00:35:31,949 --> 00:35:32,849
or bus.

930
00:35:33,949 --> 00:35:35,730
And that's where I've ended up.

931
00:35:36,110 --> 00:35:36,610
Yeah.

932
00:35:36,989 --> 00:35:39,230
I mean, it is crazy when you think

933
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:41,010
about all the modern conveniences

934
00:35:41,309 --> 00:35:43,230
we have and the complaints that we have

935
00:35:43,230 --> 00:35:45,434
as well. There's a Louis c k bid,

936
00:35:45,434 --> 00:35:47,114
I believe, or maybe it was Bill Burr

937
00:35:47,114 --> 00:35:49,375
where he talks about complaining about

938
00:35:50,235 --> 00:35:52,155
cell phones not working, and it's like, give

939
00:35:52,155 --> 00:35:54,394
it a second. It's going to space and

940
00:35:54,394 --> 00:35:56,315
back. You know, like, these things, I mean

941
00:35:56,394 --> 00:35:58,230
and who knows if that's even true? But

942
00:35:58,309 --> 00:36:00,070
the point still stands that there's a lot

943
00:36:00,070 --> 00:36:01,369
of complex technology

944
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:02,170
that

945
00:36:02,789 --> 00:36:05,210
we complain about when it doesn't work 100%

946
00:36:05,429 --> 00:36:06,789
of the time, even though it might be

947
00:36:06,789 --> 00:36:08,389
killing us. But let's get back to the

948
00:36:08,389 --> 00:36:11,269
metaphysical thing and the idea of what is

949
00:36:11,269 --> 00:36:13,929
this realm. People use the term prison planet.

950
00:36:14,445 --> 00:36:14,945
People

951
00:36:15,244 --> 00:36:17,644
say we live in a hell dimension. It's

952
00:36:17,644 --> 00:36:18,704
just kind of

953
00:36:19,005 --> 00:36:21,085
masked a little bit. If anyone saw that

954
00:36:21,085 --> 00:36:23,265
show, The Good Place, spoiler alert,

955
00:36:23,805 --> 00:36:25,505
that is sort of what it is,

956
00:36:25,885 --> 00:36:28,125
is that you don't know you're in hell

957
00:36:28,125 --> 00:36:28,625
because

958
00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:31,920
the things are only slightly inconveniencing,

959
00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:34,860
but all the time, and it stacks up,

960
00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:37,360
and you're like, man, what is happening here?

961
00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:39,820
And I guess that's kinda what you're getting

962
00:36:39,820 --> 00:36:42,640
at is that this realm, this planet,

963
00:36:43,155 --> 00:36:44,375
it seems designed

964
00:36:44,835 --> 00:36:45,335
to

965
00:36:46,434 --> 00:36:47,974
keep us down to

966
00:36:48,434 --> 00:36:51,954
have this predator prey relationship, maybe. Some people

967
00:36:51,954 --> 00:36:53,655
say it's a human energy farm

968
00:36:53,954 --> 00:36:54,775
for transdimensional

969
00:36:55,715 --> 00:36:56,215
intelligences.

970
00:36:57,159 --> 00:36:58,360
I don't know, but that's what you mean

971
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,760
by metaphysical. Right? It's probably not that the

972
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,079
new administration is gonna save the day because

973
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:04,619
no one saves the day here.

974
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:06,780
No one saves the day. Listen.

975
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:09,420
We can improve our own course

976
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:10,940
through the day,

977
00:37:11,514 --> 00:37:13,755
But I'm going to segue, and you're not

978
00:37:13,755 --> 00:37:15,994
prepared. So you're gonna have to fly by

979
00:37:15,994 --> 00:37:17,375
the seat of your pants.

980
00:37:17,835 --> 00:37:20,155
I'm ready. So I wrote a newsletter in

981
00:37:20,155 --> 00:37:21,375
February 2022.

982
00:37:22,474 --> 00:37:23,835
I don't know what it was called, but

983
00:37:23,835 --> 00:37:24,414
it was

984
00:37:24,750 --> 00:37:27,329
about a book called Proof of Heaven

985
00:37:28,510 --> 00:37:30,590
by Eben Alexander. Have you ever heard of

986
00:37:30,590 --> 00:37:31,250
this guy?

987
00:37:31,710 --> 00:37:33,329
The name of the book sounds familiar.

988
00:37:34,349 --> 00:37:35,489
Alright. So

989
00:37:35,949 --> 00:37:37,409
my YouTube feed

990
00:37:37,724 --> 00:37:39,485
led me to a talk that was given

991
00:37:39,485 --> 00:37:40,785
in a church in Minnesota.

992
00:37:42,045 --> 00:37:44,065
It was by doctor Evan Alexander,

993
00:37:45,005 --> 00:37:46,224
who was a

994
00:37:46,525 --> 00:37:47,025
nonbeliever.

995
00:37:47,885 --> 00:37:49,664
He was a Harvard

996
00:37:49,965 --> 00:37:50,465
trained

997
00:37:51,005 --> 00:37:51,505
neurosurgeon,

998
00:37:52,989 --> 00:37:55,170
and he worked at some, you know, swanky

999
00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:57,630
hospital in Virginia. And he woke up one

1000
00:37:57,630 --> 00:37:59,390
morning, and he didn't feel well. And this

1001
00:37:59,390 --> 00:38:01,630
is very unusual for him. So he told

1002
00:38:01,630 --> 00:38:02,989
his wife he wanted to stay in bed

1003
00:38:02,989 --> 00:38:05,550
a little longer, and his condition got worse

1004
00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:06,050
within

1005
00:38:06,515 --> 00:38:08,835
the hour, and he ended up having to

1006
00:38:08,835 --> 00:38:10,215
be taken to the ER.

1007
00:38:10,914 --> 00:38:11,414
And

1008
00:38:12,114 --> 00:38:14,375
he says in his book that

1009
00:38:14,755 --> 00:38:15,255
he

1010
00:38:15,795 --> 00:38:18,695
apparently had this horrible bacterial meningitis.

1011
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:22,090
He said, I slipped into grand mal seizures

1012
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:23,910
and was rushed off to the emergency room

1013
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:26,150
where a very astute physician realized I might

1014
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:29,030
have meningitis, did a lumbar puncture. And when

1015
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:31,750
the fluid surrounding brain and spinal cord came

1016
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:33,945
out of my back, it was thick white

1017
00:38:33,945 --> 00:38:35,405
pus under pressure.

1018
00:38:36,184 --> 00:38:38,184
The doctor later told me that when she

1019
00:38:38,184 --> 00:38:40,364
saw that, she knew I was dead.

1020
00:38:40,985 --> 00:38:43,565
I was put on 3 very powerful antibiotics,

1021
00:38:43,704 --> 00:38:44,905
and by the end of the week, they

1022
00:38:44,905 --> 00:38:45,644
had tripled

1023
00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:48,530
beyond the maximum dose, one of those antibiotics

1024
00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:50,510
trying to turn me around. I was down

1025
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:51,410
to a 2%

1026
00:38:51,789 --> 00:38:53,090
chance of survival.

1027
00:38:53,869 --> 00:38:54,930
Alright. So

1028
00:38:55,390 --> 00:38:57,550
even Alexander was in a coma for a

1029
00:38:57,550 --> 00:38:57,885
week,

1030
00:38:58,605 --> 00:39:00,525
and he was surrounded by all his friends

1031
00:39:00,525 --> 00:39:02,545
because he was in a hospital that he

1032
00:39:02,764 --> 00:39:03,664
worked at.

1033
00:39:04,445 --> 00:39:04,945
And

1034
00:39:05,244 --> 00:39:07,664
it turns out that during this week,

1035
00:39:08,125 --> 00:39:10,224
he went on this incredible journey,

1036
00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:13,230
and he went to all these realms. I'm

1037
00:39:13,230 --> 00:39:15,650
getting terrible chills while I'm saying this.

1038
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:18,289
So what what do chills mean, Greg?

1039
00:39:18,670 --> 00:39:20,750
People everywhere tell me if you get chills

1040
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:22,610
like that, it means it's true.

1041
00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:23,730
Right?

1042
00:39:24,110 --> 00:39:24,610
Sure.

1043
00:39:25,309 --> 00:39:25,809
Okay.

1044
00:39:26,295 --> 00:39:26,795
So

1045
00:39:27,815 --> 00:39:28,635
he says

1046
00:39:29,894 --> 00:39:30,394
that

1047
00:39:30,855 --> 00:39:33,974
he lay unconscious. Right? And he I write

1048
00:39:33,974 --> 00:39:36,295
in my newsletter, doctor Alexander had been a

1049
00:39:36,295 --> 00:39:38,694
hard science type all his life with no

1050
00:39:38,694 --> 00:39:41,710
belief in heaven or God and very little

1051
00:39:41,710 --> 00:39:43,570
understanding of what is consciousness

1052
00:39:44,269 --> 00:39:45,410
as neurosurgeons

1053
00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:48,210
operate only on the gelatinous

1054
00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:49,730
brain itself.

1055
00:39:50,110 --> 00:39:50,610
Neurosurgeons

1056
00:39:50,989 --> 00:39:52,530
don't know much about consciousness.

1057
00:39:53,309 --> 00:39:54,050
So, anyway,

1058
00:39:54,785 --> 00:39:56,465
all I knew, he says, when I came

1059
00:39:56,465 --> 00:39:57,525
back to this world

1060
00:39:57,825 --> 00:40:01,425
7 days later, was this brilliant, incredible, ultra

1061
00:40:01,425 --> 00:40:04,385
real spiritual journey I had been on deep

1062
00:40:04,385 --> 00:40:05,204
in coma.

1063
00:40:06,545 --> 00:40:09,344
Now the me before would have told you

1064
00:40:09,344 --> 00:40:11,339
that such an illness, given that kind of

1065
00:40:11,339 --> 00:40:14,619
severe bacterial meningitis, is the perfect model for

1066
00:40:14,619 --> 00:40:17,819
human death. In fact, it's so perfect that

1067
00:40:17,819 --> 00:40:20,219
nobody practically ever comes back to tell the

1068
00:40:20,219 --> 00:40:22,940
tale. Given the destruction of my brain that

1069
00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:25,199
was apparent to my doctors through my neurologic

1070
00:40:25,684 --> 00:40:28,085
exams and scans and lab values, I should

1071
00:40:28,085 --> 00:40:30,585
have had no experience at all while comatose.

1072
00:40:31,525 --> 00:40:34,425
But he had an amazing journey, Greg.

1073
00:40:34,804 --> 00:40:36,344
And he talks about how

1074
00:40:36,804 --> 00:40:38,025
we really are

1075
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:39,210
connected

1076
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:41,829
into all these other realm. So I'm gonna

1077
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:44,170
say something that I thought of last night.

1078
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:45,769
I've never thought of this before.

1079
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:47,430
And it was in the middle of the

1080
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:49,110
night and I'm going, my god, I need

1081
00:40:49,110 --> 00:40:51,190
to write this down. I'm never gonna remember

1082
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:53,914
this, But you, Greg, in this interview have

1083
00:40:53,914 --> 00:40:55,135
churned it up again.

1084
00:40:55,515 --> 00:40:57,775
So we have the 3 dimensions

1085
00:40:58,394 --> 00:40:59,215
of our

1086
00:40:59,914 --> 00:41:00,414
world.

1087
00:41:01,594 --> 00:41:02,974
Dimension 2 is

1088
00:41:03,275 --> 00:41:06,589
a flat surface, and dimension 3 is if

1089
00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:09,309
you do geometry x, y, and the z

1090
00:41:09,309 --> 00:41:11,390
axis. So the first dimension would be just

1091
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:13,969
a dot. 2nd dimension would be

1092
00:41:14,670 --> 00:41:16,909
width and length, and the third dimension would

1093
00:41:16,909 --> 00:41:19,170
be depth. But the minute you add movement,

1094
00:41:19,230 --> 00:41:20,610
you're in another dimension.

1095
00:41:21,954 --> 00:41:23,894
And movement that comes from life

1096
00:41:24,275 --> 00:41:26,454
is yet another dimension. Right?

1097
00:41:28,594 --> 00:41:30,534
And then there's intention.

1098
00:41:31,635 --> 00:41:32,135
There's

1099
00:41:33,234 --> 00:41:34,454
realms of possibility.

1100
00:41:35,234 --> 00:41:35,909
Will this

1101
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:37,690
entity in this

1102
00:41:38,389 --> 00:41:38,889
space,

1103
00:41:39,429 --> 00:41:41,429
will it go here? Will it go there?

1104
00:41:41,429 --> 00:41:43,030
Will it do this? Will it do that?

1105
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:45,109
Is it doing it intentionally? Is it doing

1106
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:47,369
it because it's been influenced by other

1107
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:50,489
forces and factors? So now we're entering into

1108
00:41:50,594 --> 00:41:52,054
what's called multidimensionality,

1109
00:41:54,195 --> 00:41:55,335
realms of possibility.

1110
00:41:56,114 --> 00:41:57,494
And realms of possibility

1111
00:41:59,074 --> 00:41:59,574
unfold

1112
00:42:00,755 --> 00:42:03,014
our lives. I don't know if that's grammatical,

1113
00:42:03,699 --> 00:42:05,000
but you know what I'm saying?

1114
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:07,300
You could have never left California. You could

1115
00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:09,059
have never left Missouri. You could have gone

1116
00:42:09,059 --> 00:42:11,059
to Georgia instead of Florida. And there are

1117
00:42:11,059 --> 00:42:12,039
all these possibilities,

1118
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:13,400
but your intention

1119
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:15,079
took you.

1120
00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:17,960
You were a factor in your own movement.

1121
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:19,000
So

1122
00:42:20,315 --> 00:42:21,855
Alexander says that

1123
00:42:22,234 --> 00:42:23,614
the brain is

1124
00:42:24,074 --> 00:42:24,894
a collapsing

1125
00:42:25,755 --> 00:42:26,255
device.

1126
00:42:27,755 --> 00:42:30,154
The place he went was I mean, he

1127
00:42:30,154 --> 00:42:33,054
rode on a butterfly wing with a beautiful

1128
00:42:33,194 --> 00:42:33,694
girl.

1129
00:42:34,289 --> 00:42:36,469
You can't come back as a neurosurgeon

1130
00:42:36,849 --> 00:42:38,710
and start babbling about this.

1131
00:42:39,250 --> 00:42:42,050
And his pals at the hospital told him,

1132
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:43,730
this is a trick of the brain. You

1133
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:46,610
were never in any beautiful realm. There weren't

1134
00:42:46,610 --> 00:42:49,329
angels singing. I mean, all this music and

1135
00:42:49,329 --> 00:42:52,505
stuff. So this was he had an afterlife

1136
00:42:52,965 --> 00:42:53,465
experience,

1137
00:42:53,925 --> 00:42:56,324
and it was so powerful that it caused

1138
00:42:56,324 --> 00:42:58,184
him to stop his neurosurgery

1139
00:42:58,644 --> 00:42:59,144
altogether,

1140
00:43:00,005 --> 00:43:01,144
trying to explain

1141
00:43:01,684 --> 00:43:02,505
and explore

1142
00:43:02,965 --> 00:43:04,264
this thing called consciousness.

1143
00:43:06,659 --> 00:43:07,940
So if you read the book, and I

1144
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:09,880
think it's also very worth reading,

1145
00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:11,400
they're diametrically

1146
00:43:11,699 --> 00:43:14,199
opposed down by the river, Charles Boden,

1147
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:15,400
about the cartels

1148
00:43:16,019 --> 00:43:17,400
and then this. Right?

1149
00:43:17,780 --> 00:43:18,280
And

1150
00:43:19,454 --> 00:43:21,635
he connected with what he calls

1151
00:43:22,015 --> 00:43:23,235
the great Aum,

1152
00:43:23,535 --> 00:43:24,675
a u m.

1153
00:43:25,055 --> 00:43:26,894
And he calls it Aum because he doesn't

1154
00:43:26,894 --> 00:43:29,394
wanna call it god because that's too conventional

1155
00:43:29,615 --> 00:43:30,195
a word.

1156
00:43:30,655 --> 00:43:31,155
So

1157
00:43:31,695 --> 00:43:32,755
Aum is

1158
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:34,260
writes

1159
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,079
I'm referring to what some might call God.

1160
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:42,640
Others might call Allah, Brahmin, Vishnu, Jehovah, Yahweh.

1161
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,079
I don't care what the words are. The

1162
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:45,519
words get in the way. They make it

1163
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:47,539
look like it's an intellectual discussion.

1164
00:43:48,215 --> 00:43:50,855
High school, college debate. It's not. That world

1165
00:43:50,855 --> 00:43:51,914
is absolutely

1166
00:43:52,775 --> 00:43:53,275
real.

1167
00:43:54,215 --> 00:43:55,914
And he says that

1168
00:43:56,454 --> 00:43:58,054
now I'm gonna say this because I think

1169
00:43:58,054 --> 00:43:59,034
it's very interesting.

1170
00:43:59,494 --> 00:44:02,119
Right before he got into that world, Greg

1171
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,840
so the first place he went in his

1172
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:05,340
coma

1173
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:06,940
was this horrible,

1174
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:07,739
horrible,

1175
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:09,660
dark space,

1176
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,460
and he said he was caught in it.

1177
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:13,340
And

1178
00:44:13,894 --> 00:44:15,894
he was terrified by it. He said it

1179
00:44:15,894 --> 00:44:16,795
was a claustrophobic

1180
00:44:17,335 --> 00:44:19,815
muddy underworld that echoed with, and I'm gonna

1181
00:44:19,815 --> 00:44:22,534
quote him, a deep rhythmic pounding like the

1182
00:44:22,534 --> 00:44:25,175
sound of metal against metal as if a

1183
00:44:25,175 --> 00:44:26,155
giant subterranean

1184
00:44:26,614 --> 00:44:29,194
blacksmith was pounding an anvil somewhere,

1185
00:44:29,619 --> 00:44:32,019
pounding it so hard that the sound vibrates

1186
00:44:32,019 --> 00:44:34,099
through the earth or the mud that he

1187
00:44:34,099 --> 00:44:36,179
was in or wherever it is that you

1188
00:44:36,179 --> 00:44:37,940
are. I didn't have a body. I was

1189
00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:40,839
simply there in this place of pulsing, pounding

1190
00:44:41,059 --> 00:44:41,559
darkness.

1191
00:44:43,265 --> 00:44:45,105
The longer I stayed in this place, the

1192
00:44:45,105 --> 00:44:47,664
less comfortable I became feeling like I wasn't

1193
00:44:47,664 --> 00:44:50,144
really part of this subterranean world at all,

1194
00:44:50,144 --> 00:44:51,684
but trapped in it.

1195
00:44:52,385 --> 00:44:55,765
Grotesque animal faces bubbled out of the muck,

1196
00:44:56,065 --> 00:44:59,160
groaned and screeched, and then were gone again.

1197
00:44:59,219 --> 00:45:02,739
I heard an occasional dull roar. Sometimes those

1198
00:45:02,739 --> 00:45:05,559
roars change to dim rhythmic chants,

1199
00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:09,000
chants that were both terrifying and weirdly familiar

1200
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:11,780
as if at some point I'd known and

1201
00:45:11,780 --> 00:45:13,400
uttered them myself.

1202
00:45:14,875 --> 00:45:16,954
The more the faces that bubbled up out

1203
00:45:16,954 --> 00:45:19,835
of that darkness became ugly and threatening, the

1204
00:45:19,835 --> 00:45:22,554
rhythmic pounding off in the distance sharpened and

1205
00:45:22,554 --> 00:45:25,929
intensified as well became the work beat for

1206
00:45:25,929 --> 00:45:29,610
some army of troll like underground laborers performing

1207
00:45:29,610 --> 00:45:33,210
some endless brutally monotonous tasks. The movement around

1208
00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:34,829
me was as if reptilian

1209
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:38,890
worm like creatures were crowding past, occasionally rubbing

1210
00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:41,655
up against me with their smooth or spiky

1211
00:45:41,954 --> 00:45:42,454
skims.

1212
00:45:44,035 --> 00:45:45,735
So what would you call this?

1213
00:45:47,315 --> 00:45:47,815
Hell?

1214
00:45:48,195 --> 00:45:48,695
Right?

1215
00:45:49,075 --> 00:45:50,994
I mean, he's in it. He's trapped. It's

1216
00:45:50,994 --> 00:45:52,775
dark. He hears droning,

1217
00:45:53,449 --> 00:45:53,949
moaning,

1218
00:45:54,329 --> 00:45:57,389
like other people being trapped. He hears pounding,

1219
00:45:57,449 --> 00:46:00,650
and then these reptilian things are swishing past

1220
00:46:00,650 --> 00:46:02,190
him, touching him.

1221
00:46:02,809 --> 00:46:03,309
So

1222
00:46:03,769 --> 00:46:05,355
he said it had this

1223
00:46:05,755 --> 00:46:06,255
dank

1224
00:46:07,114 --> 00:46:08,655
smell of biological

1225
00:46:09,195 --> 00:46:09,695
death.

1226
00:46:11,114 --> 00:46:13,695
Garros. Right? And he stuck there.

1227
00:46:14,474 --> 00:46:17,195
And then the darkness began to break as

1228
00:46:17,195 --> 00:46:20,414
a pure white light descended, obliterating the pounding,

1229
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:23,260
spinning around and around and generating filaments,

1230
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:24,780
tinged with gold.

1231
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:26,699
And so

1232
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,320
it pulled him out of there. And then

1233
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,579
he found Greg this. What's very interesting

1234
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:34,140
that he could

1235
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,625
leave through this channel of light, and he

1236
00:46:37,625 --> 00:46:38,525
could come back.

1237
00:46:39,545 --> 00:46:41,144
And he could leave, and he could come

1238
00:46:41,144 --> 00:46:41,644
back.

1239
00:46:42,905 --> 00:46:44,364
And he was in control.

1240
00:46:45,545 --> 00:46:46,364
So what

1241
00:46:46,984 --> 00:46:49,289
am I gonna say something? Well, yeah, it's

1242
00:46:49,369 --> 00:46:51,449
a really interesting story. I'm trying to stay

1243
00:46:51,449 --> 00:46:53,769
quiet when you're talking because you're not wearing

1244
00:46:53,769 --> 00:46:55,769
a headset, and I do hear myself coming

1245
00:46:55,769 --> 00:46:57,610
through sometimes, and I don't wanna talk over

1246
00:46:57,610 --> 00:46:58,110
you.

1247
00:46:58,410 --> 00:47:01,769
But yeah. Obviously, it's a fascinating story. I'm

1248
00:47:01,769 --> 00:47:03,530
the first one to love a story like

1249
00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:04,030
that.

1250
00:47:04,355 --> 00:47:06,594
How literal do you take that, or what

1251
00:47:06,594 --> 00:47:08,775
insights do you extract from that?

1252
00:47:09,714 --> 00:47:12,214
So I call this the iconic underworld,

1253
00:47:13,554 --> 00:47:14,054
and

1254
00:47:15,074 --> 00:47:17,255
I think it's a bordering dimension

1255
00:47:17,635 --> 00:47:18,135
to

1256
00:47:18,570 --> 00:47:20,030
what we're in right now,

1257
00:47:20,489 --> 00:47:22,110
and I think the bad guys

1258
00:47:22,570 --> 00:47:23,710
pull from it.

1259
00:47:24,730 --> 00:47:26,110
I think they're CERN,

1260
00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:27,789
Hadron Collider.

1261
00:47:28,250 --> 00:47:30,570
When they look for God, they're going into

1262
00:47:30,570 --> 00:47:33,690
this area, this place, and they're pulling energy

1263
00:47:33,690 --> 00:47:36,325
from it. And they've mixed this energy in

1264
00:47:36,325 --> 00:47:38,345
with our world and our cultures

1265
00:47:38,885 --> 00:47:39,865
and our thinking.

1266
00:47:41,204 --> 00:47:42,265
And they're succeeding

1267
00:47:42,965 --> 00:47:44,505
because we don't realize

1268
00:47:44,805 --> 00:47:45,305
that

1269
00:47:46,579 --> 00:47:49,219
we are beyond all this, and we can

1270
00:47:49,219 --> 00:47:51,619
do what Alexander did. We can go up

1271
00:47:51,619 --> 00:47:52,440
that filigree

1272
00:47:53,059 --> 00:47:53,880
light channel

1273
00:47:54,579 --> 00:47:55,079
and

1274
00:47:56,420 --> 00:47:59,380
interact with that higher realm as much as

1275
00:47:59,380 --> 00:48:00,119
we want.

1276
00:48:00,434 --> 00:48:03,094
But we can't, he says, because

1277
00:48:03,875 --> 00:48:04,695
our brain

1278
00:48:05,635 --> 00:48:07,015
is controlling us.

1279
00:48:08,275 --> 00:48:09,574
I've taken a talk

1280
00:48:10,114 --> 00:48:11,255
that he did

1281
00:48:11,555 --> 00:48:14,630
at the annual conference of the International Association

1282
00:48:14,929 --> 00:48:15,750
of NDEs,

1283
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:17,349
Near Death Experiences.

1284
00:48:18,449 --> 00:48:19,109
He says

1285
00:48:19,489 --> 00:48:21,989
that this world is a murky

1286
00:48:22,289 --> 00:48:23,750
little shadow world,

1287
00:48:24,690 --> 00:48:25,510
that world

1288
00:48:26,609 --> 00:48:27,589
through the light.

1289
00:48:28,355 --> 00:48:30,514
And I haven't described much of what he

1290
00:48:30,514 --> 00:48:33,554
encountered there, but it was beautiful music in

1291
00:48:33,554 --> 00:48:35,795
all different realms, and the great aunt was

1292
00:48:35,795 --> 00:48:38,914
there, and there's butterflies and whatnot, you know,

1293
00:48:38,914 --> 00:48:40,769
beautiful things. And this is

1294
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:41,829
universal

1295
00:48:42,849 --> 00:48:44,309
throughout different cultures.

1296
00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:46,230
People who have NDEs,

1297
00:48:46,610 --> 00:48:47,750
they see this stuff.

1298
00:48:48,130 --> 00:48:49,670
They experience this stuff.

1299
00:48:50,289 --> 00:48:52,369
Right. I've heard a lot of those stories,

1300
00:48:52,369 --> 00:48:54,714
and something else I think is interesting that

1301
00:48:54,714 --> 00:48:56,635
I wanna slide in here just to connect

1302
00:48:56,635 --> 00:48:58,335
it back to modern

1303
00:48:58,635 --> 00:49:00,094
conveniences a little bit,

1304
00:49:00,554 --> 00:49:01,295
it's interesting

1305
00:49:01,994 --> 00:49:04,014
how many modern conveniences

1306
00:49:04,635 --> 00:49:06,414
have a kind of a

1307
00:49:06,875 --> 00:49:08,094
darkness to them.

1308
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,960
You could even say the water pipes we

1309
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,219
take for granted. Well, it's also a fluoride

1310
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,159
distribution network, and it's a distribution network to

1311
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:18,179
give toxic water to people.

1312
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:20,400
You could talk about the power grid. Sure.

1313
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,579
We have lights. Great. Well, if you've read

1314
00:49:23,015 --> 00:49:24,394
the invisible rainbow,

1315
00:49:24,775 --> 00:49:27,175
the whole electrification of the Earth might be

1316
00:49:27,175 --> 00:49:29,894
responsible for a lot of sickness, including the

1317
00:49:29,894 --> 00:49:31,515
flu season, oddly enough.

1318
00:49:32,055 --> 00:49:34,875
And then you have all these people who

1319
00:49:35,849 --> 00:49:36,829
are inventors

1320
00:49:37,369 --> 00:49:39,369
or have come up with some kind of

1321
00:49:39,369 --> 00:49:39,869
technology,

1322
00:49:40,329 --> 00:49:40,829
and

1323
00:49:41,610 --> 00:49:43,950
even though it's something that is a convenience

1324
00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:46,329
to people, it always has a dark edge.

1325
00:49:46,329 --> 00:49:48,650
Even the WiFi, you know, the WiFi router.

1326
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:50,170
People are like, oh, I'm so glad I

1327
00:49:50,170 --> 00:49:50,910
can connect

1328
00:49:51,444 --> 00:49:53,525
without the wires. And then it's like, yeah.

1329
00:49:53,525 --> 00:49:56,164
Now your circadian rhythm is messed up. Your

1330
00:49:56,164 --> 00:49:56,664
mitochondrial

1331
00:49:56,964 --> 00:49:58,105
DNA is damaged.

1332
00:49:58,885 --> 00:50:00,264
To bring up another neurosurgeon,

1333
00:50:00,804 --> 00:50:03,144
Jack Crews, I saw you posted a presentation

1334
00:50:03,284 --> 00:50:05,609
that he did, and he talks about how

1335
00:50:05,609 --> 00:50:08,089
blue light makes us fat. It's causing the

1336
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:10,909
dysregulation of our bodies and damaging the mitochondria.

1337
00:50:10,969 --> 00:50:13,630
He's always big on that. Super interesting guy.

1338
00:50:13,769 --> 00:50:14,269
And

1339
00:50:14,969 --> 00:50:17,049
he has talked about all the patents on

1340
00:50:17,049 --> 00:50:19,210
the digital screens, the ones we're using right

1341
00:50:19,210 --> 00:50:20,444
now, that

1342
00:50:20,905 --> 00:50:22,125
they were engineered

1343
00:50:22,585 --> 00:50:23,484
for maximum

1344
00:50:23,864 --> 00:50:26,505
damage and mind control because of the mental

1345
00:50:26,505 --> 00:50:27,005
states

1346
00:50:27,304 --> 00:50:29,864
that the blue light from these screens puts

1347
00:50:29,864 --> 00:50:31,864
us in. He's talked about how they could've

1348
00:50:31,864 --> 00:50:34,849
built them several different ways, but they used

1349
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:37,430
the insights from MK Ultra and other things

1350
00:50:37,650 --> 00:50:38,150
to

1351
00:50:38,530 --> 00:50:41,970
make them as damaging as possible without anyone

1352
00:50:41,970 --> 00:50:42,869
really noticing.

1353
00:50:43,410 --> 00:50:45,570
And he was in deep talks with RFK

1354
00:50:45,570 --> 00:50:47,704
Junior and Nicole Shanahan. I mean, she was

1355
00:50:47,704 --> 00:50:49,625
chosen as the running mate because she was

1356
00:50:49,625 --> 00:50:51,785
hip to this from her marriage with Google

1357
00:50:51,785 --> 00:50:52,285
cofounder

1358
00:50:52,824 --> 00:50:53,724
Sergey Brin.

1359
00:50:54,184 --> 00:50:55,485
And it gets scary.

1360
00:50:55,785 --> 00:50:57,405
It seems like all this technology

1361
00:50:57,704 --> 00:50:58,525
is intentionally

1362
00:50:59,224 --> 00:51:01,760
weaponized. And just while we're still in this

1363
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,679
first hour here, I wanted to slide in

1364
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:04,900
a quote from a totally

1365
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,539
unrelated thing you wrote about friendships

1366
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,039
versus bot ships where we're seeing more and

1367
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:13,219
more people in this lonely reality

1368
00:51:13,875 --> 00:51:17,175
go to AI and bots for companionship.

1369
00:51:18,034 --> 00:51:21,255
And you said this, Geoffrey Hinton and George

1370
00:51:21,394 --> 00:51:21,894
Bole

1371
00:51:22,275 --> 00:51:24,514
and a few human genius types in between

1372
00:51:24,514 --> 00:51:26,675
can be credited with the creation of AI,

1373
00:51:26,675 --> 00:51:29,710
which has not yet reached its apotheosis.

1374
00:51:30,089 --> 00:51:32,589
Hinton, a British computer scientist,

1375
00:51:33,130 --> 00:51:35,710
is the great grandson of Bohl

1376
00:51:36,250 --> 00:51:38,909
who was a self taught logician and mathematician

1377
00:51:39,210 --> 00:51:40,589
born in the early 1800.

1378
00:51:41,244 --> 00:51:43,885
Bohl had a mystical experience at the age

1379
00:51:43,885 --> 00:51:44,625
of 17

1380
00:51:45,085 --> 00:51:47,505
that spurred him to figure out for mankind

1381
00:51:47,565 --> 00:51:50,445
the mathematics of human reasoning and thought. He

1382
00:51:50,445 --> 00:51:52,464
almost got there giving us an investigation

1383
00:51:53,180 --> 00:51:54,860
of the laws of thought and his own

1384
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:55,920
system of symbiotic

1385
00:51:56,220 --> 00:51:58,300
logic based on a yes no on off

1386
00:51:58,300 --> 00:51:58,800
methodology.

1387
00:51:59,579 --> 00:52:02,059
90 years later, Claude Shannon, a graduate student

1388
00:52:02,059 --> 00:52:04,860
at MIT, applied his two value approach to

1389
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:07,840
electronics and the information age was born.

1390
00:52:08,264 --> 00:52:08,764
So

1391
00:52:09,224 --> 00:52:12,125
I've done other interviews about aspects of technology,

1392
00:52:12,264 --> 00:52:12,924
the transistor.

1393
00:52:13,704 --> 00:52:16,204
It always seems to come with this trickster

1394
00:52:16,505 --> 00:52:19,065
aspect to it, or iconic aspect to it,

1395
00:52:19,065 --> 00:52:21,750
or demonic aspect to it, where it's like

1396
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:22,250
here's

1397
00:52:22,949 --> 00:52:23,530
a gift,

1398
00:52:23,989 --> 00:52:26,070
but a gift with a twist that will

1399
00:52:26,070 --> 00:52:28,170
slowly kill you. And

1400
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:30,630
it's just weird that even in this context,

1401
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:32,309
I read that because you're talking about the

1402
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:34,469
information age and some of its foundations, and

1403
00:52:34,469 --> 00:52:37,005
this guy had a mystical experience at 17.

1404
00:52:37,304 --> 00:52:39,385
I'd like to know more about that. Did

1405
00:52:39,385 --> 00:52:42,344
he tap into this iconic underworld and get

1406
00:52:42,344 --> 00:52:44,184
some insight that ended up putting us on

1407
00:52:44,184 --> 00:52:47,065
this dark path? Hard to say, but do

1408
00:52:47,065 --> 00:52:49,085
you know much more about his mystical experience?

1409
00:52:49,465 --> 00:52:50,844
I looked to see

1410
00:52:51,289 --> 00:52:53,289
if I could find anything about it, and

1411
00:52:53,289 --> 00:52:55,769
it's referred to, but I searched for quite

1412
00:52:55,769 --> 00:52:58,329
a while. I didn't find any details. I

1413
00:52:58,329 --> 00:52:59,550
mean, he was very young,

1414
00:52:59,929 --> 00:53:02,409
so maybe people didn't believe him. Maybe he

1415
00:53:02,409 --> 00:53:04,664
never wrote it down. Who knows? But it

1416
00:53:04,985 --> 00:53:07,324
triggered. Right? So this is what

1417
00:53:07,864 --> 00:53:09,965
Alexander tells us. He says that

1418
00:53:11,065 --> 00:53:14,265
consciousness is not created by the brain. So

1419
00:53:14,265 --> 00:53:16,184
I'm going back to the dimensions. We are

1420
00:53:16,184 --> 00:53:16,684
multidimensional.

1421
00:53:17,269 --> 00:53:19,349
We have intention, will. We have this thing

1422
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:22,630
called consciousness, which apparently can travel us into

1423
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:25,989
these realms with angels and harps and whatnot,

1424
00:53:25,989 --> 00:53:27,670
and we can meet the great awe if

1425
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:28,809
we want to. Right?

1426
00:53:29,474 --> 00:53:30,855
So he says that

1427
00:53:31,315 --> 00:53:33,635
if you believe the brain is creating consciousness,

1428
00:53:33,635 --> 00:53:35,954
the only thing that would be going on

1429
00:53:35,954 --> 00:53:39,715
is chemical reactions, physics, chemistry, biology, all those

1430
00:53:39,715 --> 00:53:41,795
laws being followed by the molecules in your

1431
00:53:41,795 --> 00:53:42,295
brain

1432
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:44,619
and all simply chemical reactions.

1433
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,739
Free will and consciousness would be considered illusions

1434
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,579
of those chemical reactions.

1435
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,380
But my journey showed me the exact opposite

1436
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,260
is the case.

1437
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,364
So he says, Greg, that we are conscious

1438
00:53:56,505 --> 00:53:58,984
in spite of our brain. Our brain is

1439
00:53:58,984 --> 00:54:01,144
there to act as a reducing valve or

1440
00:54:01,144 --> 00:54:01,644
filter.

1441
00:54:01,945 --> 00:54:04,585
Because if we had all of consciousness at

1442
00:54:04,585 --> 00:54:06,744
our fingertips all the time, we would be

1443
00:54:06,744 --> 00:54:07,244
overwhelmed,

1444
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,119
and we would never get anything done. We

1445
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:11,500
would never make our beds

1446
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,780
and brush our teeth and do this linear

1447
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,000
stuff. And, I mean, I think these guys

1448
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:17,900
pull technology,

1449
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:19,815
but they are

1450
00:54:20,534 --> 00:54:21,034
pairing

1451
00:54:21,655 --> 00:54:24,295
themselves with this iconic underworld. A lot of

1452
00:54:24,295 --> 00:54:25,974
these people who invent these things. I mean,

1453
00:54:25,974 --> 00:54:28,375
there are purists who are inventors. Like, we

1454
00:54:28,375 --> 00:54:30,074
could take Tesla as an example.

1455
00:54:30,454 --> 00:54:32,954
And then the fiends descend on the purists

1456
00:54:33,094 --> 00:54:35,539
and take their work and channel it into

1457
00:54:35,539 --> 00:54:36,280
their own

1458
00:54:37,059 --> 00:54:37,559
markets

1459
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:41,079
with their own programs and agendas.

1460
00:54:42,099 --> 00:54:42,599
So

1461
00:54:44,820 --> 00:54:46,119
if you had consciousness

1462
00:54:46,579 --> 00:54:47,800
at your disposal,

1463
00:54:48,260 --> 00:54:51,005
I wrote, you would never be fascinated by

1464
00:54:51,005 --> 00:54:51,744
the polychrome

1465
00:54:52,204 --> 00:54:53,984
sewage of your cell phone.

1466
00:54:56,284 --> 00:54:57,824
So he says, Alexander,

1467
00:54:58,125 --> 00:55:00,924
during the brain based physical portion of our

1468
00:55:00,924 --> 00:55:03,164
existence, and that's what you're talking about. All

1469
00:55:03,164 --> 00:55:05,460
this technology is brain based.

1470
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:06,820
It's linear.

1471
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:10,320
It's very complex. It's so complex that for

1472
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,640
people like us who aren't schooled in it,

1473
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,039
it seems abstract. It seems spatial. We cannot

1474
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,539
hold all these details in our brains.

1475
00:55:18,275 --> 00:55:20,355
And I was talking to a physicist engineer

1476
00:55:20,355 --> 00:55:23,015
yesterday, and he was explaining something about capacitors

1477
00:55:23,075 --> 00:55:26,035
to me. I could barely understand it, and

1478
00:55:26,035 --> 00:55:28,215
yet it's very, very linear for him.

1479
00:55:28,675 --> 00:55:31,635
So our brain blocks out or veils that

1480
00:55:31,635 --> 00:55:33,175
larger cosmic background

1481
00:55:33,739 --> 00:55:36,319
just as the sun's light blocks the stars.

1482
00:55:36,859 --> 00:55:39,280
We can only see what our brain's filter

1483
00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:39,920
allows.

1484
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:42,079
Okay? The brain,

1485
00:55:42,539 --> 00:55:45,739
particularly its left side linguistic logical part that

1486
00:55:45,739 --> 00:55:47,599
which generates our sense of rationality

1487
00:55:48,155 --> 00:55:50,894
and the feeling of being a sharply defined

1488
00:55:50,954 --> 00:55:53,594
ego or self is a barrier to our

1489
00:55:53,594 --> 00:55:55,295
higher knowledge or experience.

1490
00:55:56,954 --> 00:55:59,594
So how much of our waking life do

1491
00:55:59,594 --> 00:56:01,614
you consider to be somewhat

1492
00:56:02,889 --> 00:56:04,110
manufactured or

1493
00:56:04,889 --> 00:56:08,170
limited down by our brain? You started talking

1494
00:56:08,170 --> 00:56:10,590
kind of about the wide range of dimensions

1495
00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:13,210
and possibility and that the brain reduces and

1496
00:56:13,210 --> 00:56:16,010
collapses us down to the one reality, the

1497
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:16,909
shared reality

1498
00:56:17,335 --> 00:56:19,815
that we're in. But how intertwined is the

1499
00:56:19,815 --> 00:56:20,315
iconic

1500
00:56:20,855 --> 00:56:21,355
underworld

1501
00:56:22,135 --> 00:56:25,414
and these potentially even positive realms that we

1502
00:56:25,414 --> 00:56:27,035
just don't even know are there?

1503
00:56:27,815 --> 00:56:29,335
Alright. So this is what I wrote in

1504
00:56:29,335 --> 00:56:31,594
my newsletter. This was my February 2022

1505
00:56:31,894 --> 00:56:32,394
newsletter.

1506
00:56:33,110 --> 00:56:35,670
Okay. So I finally started to get it.

1507
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:37,289
If my brain is a collapser,

1508
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:40,809
a filter, something that shrinks down the eternal

1509
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:43,910
vastness and light and brilliance of the core

1510
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:44,650
of all

1511
00:56:45,155 --> 00:56:47,714
so that I can retain my senses and

1512
00:56:47,714 --> 00:56:49,815
function here. See, it's all about functionality.

1513
00:56:50,675 --> 00:56:51,815
You wouldn't function.

1514
00:56:52,675 --> 00:56:54,855
You would be tripping out all the time.

1515
00:56:55,714 --> 00:56:56,214
So

1516
00:56:56,675 --> 00:56:59,414
the brain allows you to function here.

1517
00:57:00,269 --> 00:57:03,090
Then I wrote, how it does this rendering

1518
00:57:03,150 --> 00:57:05,409
must be something that my own particular

1519
00:57:05,710 --> 00:57:06,210
logic

1520
00:57:06,510 --> 00:57:09,469
slash ego slash self has a role in

1521
00:57:09,469 --> 00:57:09,969
designing.

1522
00:57:10,349 --> 00:57:12,530
I should spend less time rationalizing

1523
00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:13,730
down

1524
00:57:15,244 --> 00:57:18,684
into functionality and more time stretching up towards

1525
00:57:18,684 --> 00:57:19,265
the divine.

1526
00:57:19,724 --> 00:57:20,625
Doctor Alexander

1527
00:57:21,164 --> 00:57:23,325
points out that we should not have to

1528
00:57:23,325 --> 00:57:26,125
rely on a catastrophic health event to bring

1529
00:57:26,125 --> 00:57:27,724
us to the edge of death to gain

1530
00:57:27,724 --> 00:57:28,545
this understanding.

1531
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:31,339
So I wrote, why not just fortify

1532
00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:32,539
your divinity?

1533
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,839
And that is up to you how you

1534
00:57:34,839 --> 00:57:35,980
choose to do that.

1535
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:37,579
These dark

1536
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:38,619
individuals

1537
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,099
are not fortifying their divinity.

1538
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:43,260
The Apples and the Googles

1539
00:57:44,054 --> 00:57:46,855
are not fortifying their divinity. They're pulling our

1540
00:57:46,855 --> 00:57:47,755
conic stuff,

1541
00:57:48,135 --> 00:57:49,994
and they're introducing it to you.

1542
00:57:50,454 --> 00:57:53,494
And they're enthralling you and entrancing you with

1543
00:57:53,494 --> 00:57:53,994
it.

1544
00:57:54,775 --> 00:57:55,275
So

1545
00:57:55,894 --> 00:57:58,880
that's where I am. That that phrase, fortify

1546
00:57:58,940 --> 00:57:59,679
your divinity,

1547
00:57:59,980 --> 00:58:02,059
that is up to you. I like it.

1548
00:58:02,059 --> 00:58:03,920
And do you think this is a conscious

1549
00:58:04,299 --> 00:58:04,799
relationship

1550
00:58:05,260 --> 00:58:05,760
between

1551
00:58:06,460 --> 00:58:09,739
the inventors of Silicon Valley, the makers of

1552
00:58:09,739 --> 00:58:10,639
all this technology,

1553
00:58:11,414 --> 00:58:14,875
and the something else, the iconic underworld.

1554
00:58:15,815 --> 00:58:16,795
Well, they definitely

1555
00:58:17,175 --> 00:58:19,574
like to play with it. I mean, if

1556
00:58:19,574 --> 00:58:20,875
you've ever read about

1557
00:58:21,735 --> 00:58:22,635
Jack Parsons,

1558
00:58:22,934 --> 00:58:24,775
is that his name, and the stuff that

1559
00:58:24,775 --> 00:58:25,755
was going on

1560
00:58:26,099 --> 00:58:28,980
in his labs and how attuned they tried

1561
00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:31,860
to be to that iconic place. Even Alexander

1562
00:58:31,860 --> 00:58:34,260
doesn't call it the iconic underworld. That's my

1563
00:58:34,260 --> 00:58:36,260
word for it after reading about it. I'm

1564
00:58:36,260 --> 00:58:38,360
going, my gosh, this slime,

1565
00:58:38,825 --> 00:58:41,945
This is where they're pulling energy from and

1566
00:58:41,945 --> 00:58:44,045
add mixing it with our world,

1567
00:58:44,345 --> 00:58:45,405
and we're falling

1568
00:58:45,704 --> 00:58:48,425
prey to it. We're sitting ducks because we're

1569
00:58:48,425 --> 00:58:50,765
not fortifying our divinity enough,

1570
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:52,250
dude.

1571
00:58:53,989 --> 00:58:55,050
Right on, sister.

1572
00:58:56,070 --> 00:58:57,530
So what should we do?

1573
00:58:58,469 --> 00:58:59,530
That is the question.

1574
00:59:00,070 --> 00:59:02,410
The people who are really concerned

1575
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:04,010
about CERN

1576
00:59:05,085 --> 00:59:07,484
think that they could be doing something there

1577
00:59:07,484 --> 00:59:09,885
that would break reality, and it would cause

1578
00:59:09,885 --> 00:59:10,385
these

1579
00:59:11,324 --> 00:59:14,284
two places to be so intertwined that you

1580
00:59:14,284 --> 00:59:16,764
couldn't separate them out again. The people who

1581
00:59:16,764 --> 00:59:19,505
are worried about the COVID shots, for example,

1582
00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:20,880
would say that

1583
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:23,920
the gene pool and the DNA of humanity

1584
00:59:24,059 --> 00:59:25,360
has been completely

1585
00:59:25,739 --> 00:59:28,400
altered and it won't go back.

1586
00:59:29,420 --> 00:59:31,739
So some of these people are working on

1587
00:59:31,739 --> 00:59:33,760
things that have serious consequences

1588
00:59:34,219 --> 00:59:35,594
that can't really be

1589
00:59:35,994 --> 00:59:38,234
unraveled, and I do think that's a huge

1590
00:59:38,234 --> 00:59:38,734
concern.

1591
00:59:39,514 --> 00:59:40,014
Greg,

1592
00:59:40,795 --> 00:59:44,014
I almost dare not mention this because

1593
00:59:45,275 --> 00:59:47,914
I started to carry sulfur in my store,

1594
00:59:47,914 --> 00:59:49,135
MSM, methylsulfonylmethane

1595
00:59:50,074 --> 00:59:50,574
sulfur.

1596
00:59:51,789 --> 00:59:52,289
Methylsulfonylmethane

1597
00:59:53,309 --> 00:59:56,589
is known as MSM sulfur, sometimes called organic

1598
00:59:56,589 --> 00:59:58,989
sulfur, and it only is called organic because

1599
00:59:58,989 --> 01:00:00,690
it contains a carbon atom,

1600
01:00:01,710 --> 01:00:02,609
2 in fat.

1601
01:00:03,855 --> 01:00:05,235
So here's the thing.

1602
01:00:05,855 --> 01:00:07,554
Our soil is messed up.

1603
01:00:08,014 --> 01:00:09,315
The iconic underworld

1604
01:00:09,855 --> 01:00:10,355
relationship

1605
01:00:10,655 --> 01:00:12,514
that you know, the American government

1606
01:00:12,815 --> 01:00:15,554
paid growers in the 19 fifties

1607
01:00:15,869 --> 01:00:18,529
to start using chemical pesticides and fertilizers.

1608
01:00:18,909 --> 01:00:22,190
Why? Because those were post war industries that

1609
01:00:22,190 --> 01:00:23,889
didn't have any place to go

1610
01:00:24,269 --> 01:00:25,489
or goods to sell.

1611
01:00:25,869 --> 01:00:29,969
So our soil has become so deeply eroded

1612
01:00:30,589 --> 01:00:32,695
and wrecked by the presence of all these

1613
01:00:32,695 --> 01:00:33,195
chemical

1614
01:00:34,375 --> 01:00:36,375
that we don't get the elements that we

1615
01:00:36,375 --> 01:00:38,954
need. Those elements being iodine, magnesium,

1616
01:00:39,335 --> 01:00:39,835
sulfur,

1617
01:00:40,214 --> 01:00:42,375
very basic stuff. You can look at these

1618
01:00:42,375 --> 01:00:44,074
elements in the periodic table.

1619
01:00:44,429 --> 01:00:46,989
But the sulfur cycle of the Earth has

1620
01:00:46,989 --> 01:00:49,069
been interrupted, and I write this in a

1621
01:00:49,069 --> 01:00:51,069
flyer that goes out with every order of

1622
01:00:51,069 --> 01:00:51,569
sulfur.

1623
01:00:52,030 --> 01:00:53,569
But one of the things that

1624
01:00:53,949 --> 01:00:56,925
sulfur does is it's a chelating agent. So

1625
01:00:56,925 --> 01:00:59,005
I have strung a few dots together. This

1626
01:00:59,005 --> 01:01:00,144
is my own theory

1627
01:01:00,525 --> 01:01:01,025
that

1628
01:01:01,485 --> 01:01:03,505
these vaxxes have a lot of

1629
01:01:03,805 --> 01:01:05,344
heavy metals in them.

1630
01:01:05,644 --> 01:01:07,905
And the metals, according to Anna Meholtia,

1631
01:01:08,204 --> 01:01:10,305
who's done a lot of research on this,

1632
01:01:10,860 --> 01:01:11,519
the metals

1633
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:13,200
provide the conductive

1634
01:01:13,820 --> 01:01:14,320
medium

1635
01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:18,079
that is necessary because it facilitates

1636
01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:20,160
bioelectricity,

1637
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:22,400
piezo electricity

1638
01:01:23,804 --> 01:01:24,864
within the body,

1639
01:01:25,324 --> 01:01:26,144
and these

1640
01:01:26,684 --> 01:01:28,864
undisclosed ingredients that are nanotechnological

1641
01:01:29,565 --> 01:01:32,464
in nature that are said to be replicating

1642
01:01:32,684 --> 01:01:35,505
and making more of themselves and creating systems

1643
01:01:35,724 --> 01:01:37,585
and devices within us.

1644
01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:39,469
Those things cannot

1645
01:01:39,849 --> 01:01:40,349
manufacture

1646
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:45,369
themselves without conductivity in the bloodstream, which is

1647
01:01:45,369 --> 01:01:46,670
provided by the metals.

1648
01:01:46,969 --> 01:01:50,170
So sulfur chelates or removes the metal. So

1649
01:01:50,170 --> 01:01:52,349
the more you remove the metallic content

1650
01:01:53,375 --> 01:01:55,934
of your bloodstream, the less of a chance

1651
01:01:55,934 --> 01:01:58,114
you give this stuff to generate.

1652
01:01:59,295 --> 01:02:01,295
So that's one reason why I think it's

1653
01:02:01,295 --> 01:02:02,114
so important

1654
01:02:02,494 --> 01:02:04,974
to be using sulfur on a daily basis

1655
01:02:04,974 --> 01:02:07,155
because it is no longer in the soil.

1656
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,280
And the plants aren't getting it. They're not

1657
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,039
able to store it. It was plants that

1658
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:14,440
gave us sulfur because they store it and

1659
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,420
gave the animals. It's very important for mammalian

1660
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:18,940
metabolism.

1661
01:02:20,765 --> 01:02:23,244
So you say there's no recourse, but there

1662
01:02:23,244 --> 01:02:25,565
are these recourses. These are things that you

1663
01:02:25,565 --> 01:02:27,565
have to really dig to find, and then

1664
01:02:27,565 --> 01:02:29,324
you have to try them, and you have

1665
01:02:29,324 --> 01:02:31,485
to see how well they work. But we

1666
01:02:31,485 --> 01:02:32,625
are experimental

1667
01:02:33,005 --> 01:02:33,505
victims

1668
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:36,789
in this very oppressive realm. That doesn't mean

1669
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:38,949
that we're going to all die and have

1670
01:02:38,949 --> 01:02:40,090
a terrible time.

1671
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:44,070
But I can't see ways to completely turn

1672
01:02:44,070 --> 01:02:46,010
this around and make it a paradise,

1673
01:02:46,835 --> 01:02:48,355
which is what a lot of people talk

1674
01:02:48,355 --> 01:02:50,114
about. Oh, this could be a paradise. I

1675
01:02:50,114 --> 01:02:51,734
don't think it was ever a paradise.

1676
01:02:52,914 --> 01:02:54,674
I see what you're saying. Yeah. It seems

1677
01:02:54,674 --> 01:02:55,174
like

1678
01:02:55,954 --> 01:02:57,414
just look at any era,

1679
01:02:57,714 --> 01:02:59,974
and it seems as if there is a

1680
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:03,539
1% of some kind that is enslaving

1681
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:04,980
all the people

1682
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:06,579
in a given space,

1683
01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:08,900
and that goes back

1684
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:11,039
to the beginning of history as far as

1685
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:13,039
we know. And it might even go back

1686
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,519
to the origins of people because so many

1687
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:16,260
talk about

1688
01:03:17,015 --> 01:03:18,875
gold and us being

1689
01:03:19,894 --> 01:03:23,655
invented or strongly engineered and encouraged to mine

1690
01:03:23,655 --> 01:03:25,655
gold, and that's why we're obsessed with gold

1691
01:03:25,655 --> 01:03:26,474
and the conquistadors

1692
01:03:26,775 --> 01:03:28,934
were obsessed with gold and all this kind

1693
01:03:28,934 --> 01:03:30,730
of stuff. I mean, who really knows?

1694
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:31,769
But, definitely,

1695
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:33,690
the system is built on

1696
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:35,050
the exploitation

1697
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:36,089
of

1698
01:03:36,469 --> 01:03:38,250
many by a few.

1699
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:40,730
Yeah. And we

1700
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:44,385
we walk right into that. We are herd

1701
01:03:44,385 --> 01:03:46,385
animals, and I don't think we know the

1702
01:03:46,385 --> 01:03:47,525
difference between

1703
01:03:48,224 --> 01:03:49,925
following and being exploited.

1704
01:03:51,265 --> 01:03:53,425
I mean, when a leader shows up and

1705
01:03:53,425 --> 01:03:54,965
says, I will lead you.

1706
01:03:55,420 --> 01:03:58,159
I'm just speaking very loosely. People go, yes,

1707
01:03:58,380 --> 01:03:58,880
lovely.

1708
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:00,159
Do that.

1709
01:04:00,539 --> 01:04:02,400
We'll follow you. But then

1710
01:04:02,940 --> 01:04:04,400
that turns into exploitation

1711
01:04:04,699 --> 01:04:06,159
and it's just so natural

1712
01:04:06,619 --> 01:04:09,364
for human beings to follow a leader that

1713
01:04:09,364 --> 01:04:11,045
they don't seem to be able to do

1714
01:04:11,045 --> 01:04:12,744
much with the exploitation.

1715
01:04:14,405 --> 01:04:16,804
I agree with that as well. It almost

1716
01:04:16,804 --> 01:04:19,045
seems like we've been engineered that way or

1717
01:04:19,045 --> 01:04:21,385
it's a part of the superstructure

1718
01:04:21,764 --> 01:04:23,065
that is this dimension.

1719
01:04:23,849 --> 01:04:26,170
People say it's a human energy farm, that

1720
01:04:26,170 --> 01:04:28,970
the reason why there's so much cultivated negative

1721
01:04:28,970 --> 01:04:31,530
energy is because there's something else feeding on

1722
01:04:31,530 --> 01:04:32,030
that.

1723
01:04:33,130 --> 01:04:36,829
Right. That's that relationship with the arkonic underworld.

1724
01:04:37,769 --> 01:04:38,269
So

1725
01:04:39,164 --> 01:04:41,724
as we're kinda circling around the 2 hour

1726
01:04:41,724 --> 01:04:44,125
mark, I wanted to make sure we do

1727
01:04:44,125 --> 01:04:45,585
save time to

1728
01:04:46,765 --> 01:04:49,724
re mention your products in the avatar store

1729
01:04:49,724 --> 01:04:51,965
because this is the part where everybody, 1st

1730
01:04:51,965 --> 01:04:54,130
and second hour people, would hear it. Tell

1731
01:04:54,130 --> 01:04:56,710
them about some of the new additions, the

1732
01:04:57,409 --> 01:05:01,109
keyboard grounding pad, the RF modem router guard,

1733
01:05:01,730 --> 01:05:03,190
sulfur, iodine, magnesium,

1734
01:05:03,730 --> 01:05:04,230
ion.

1735
01:05:05,489 --> 01:05:06,630
Okay. So listen.

1736
01:05:07,315 --> 01:05:09,875
I've tried nicely, and I've tried in a

1737
01:05:09,875 --> 01:05:10,375
harsh

1738
01:05:10,994 --> 01:05:13,715
punitive way to tell people to go on

1739
01:05:13,715 --> 01:05:16,594
Ethernet. Why are your computers stop sleeping with

1740
01:05:16,594 --> 01:05:19,235
that router pinging all night in the next

1741
01:05:19,235 --> 01:05:19,735
room?

1742
01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:22,730
And people don't do it. So

1743
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:24,650
there's a router guard.

1744
01:05:25,269 --> 01:05:28,390
It's a low tech, no brainer. It's silver

1745
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:30,469
mesh. It's a bag. You drop it over

1746
01:05:30,469 --> 01:05:32,010
your router. It has a drawstring.

1747
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:33,610
It will cut the signal.

1748
01:05:34,135 --> 01:05:36,155
I've come across one person

1749
01:05:36,614 --> 01:05:38,695
with a router whose signal that just doesn't

1750
01:05:38,695 --> 01:05:40,454
cut. I don't know what to do about

1751
01:05:40,454 --> 01:05:42,295
that guy's router. I don't I told him,

1752
01:05:42,295 --> 01:05:44,934
just get another one. Get another router. And

1753
01:05:44,934 --> 01:05:47,175
it cuts the signal, but the Wi Fi

1754
01:05:47,175 --> 01:05:49,275
still works. It's just weakened.

1755
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,840
Absolutely. The radiation is lowered by 30 to

1756
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:53,340
80%.

1757
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,960
The Wi Fi still works. And if you

1758
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:56,460
wanna

1759
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,840
increase the Wi Fi signal, let's just say

1760
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,860
you pull the bag tight, it's a drawstring.

1761
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:03,019
I mean, how low tech can you get?

1762
01:06:03,284 --> 01:06:04,344
You open the drawstring

1763
01:06:04,644 --> 01:06:06,405
a little bit and boom, you get more

1764
01:06:06,405 --> 01:06:08,804
signal. So at night, you could tighten the

1765
01:06:08,804 --> 01:06:09,304
string

1766
01:06:10,005 --> 01:06:12,405
and you don't get irradiated as much. So

1767
01:06:12,405 --> 01:06:15,224
anyway, that's a good thing. Then there's sulfur.

1768
01:06:15,739 --> 01:06:17,679
I've sold a lot of sulfur

1769
01:06:18,139 --> 01:06:20,380
in the last couple of months, and I

1770
01:06:20,380 --> 01:06:23,659
dread another avalanche of sulfur orders, but I'm

1771
01:06:23,659 --> 01:06:26,319
happy to send it around. It's just tremendous.

1772
01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:28,400
Someday we should do a show on sulfur

1773
01:06:28,844 --> 01:06:30,784
if I cross your path again.

1774
01:06:31,085 --> 01:06:32,065
Of course, you would.

1775
01:06:32,364 --> 01:06:34,385
Hopefully, I will. Then there's Wiley's

1776
01:06:34,684 --> 01:06:35,505
wash soap,

1777
01:06:36,525 --> 01:06:38,684
laundry powder, and you can scrub your counters

1778
01:06:38,684 --> 01:06:39,264
with it.

1779
01:06:39,565 --> 01:06:40,784
The soap bars,

1780
01:06:41,150 --> 01:06:43,390
they're on the sun and skin page. My

1781
01:06:43,390 --> 01:06:46,430
friend makes them. He's a tremendous soap maker.

1782
01:06:46,430 --> 01:06:49,630
He left a 6 figure corporate job to

1783
01:06:49,630 --> 01:06:50,369
make soap.

1784
01:06:50,910 --> 01:06:51,730
He's tremendous.

1785
01:06:52,190 --> 01:06:54,210
Very, very amazing soap bars.

1786
01:06:54,795 --> 01:06:57,434
They last longer than other soaps. Men can

1787
01:06:57,434 --> 01:06:59,835
wash their hair, shave with this. He has,

1788
01:06:59,835 --> 01:07:00,335
like,

1789
01:07:00,875 --> 01:07:02,795
all different kinds of soaps, and I have

1790
01:07:02,795 --> 01:07:03,775
the grab bag.

1791
01:07:04,074 --> 01:07:06,234
I buy different kinds from him, and for

1792
01:07:06,234 --> 01:07:08,159
a little bit less, I will pick the

1793
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,659
cars for you. Most people love everything.

1794
01:07:11,359 --> 01:07:12,659
He even has, you know,

1795
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:14,739
pine tar, gum turpentine.

1796
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:18,480
These come from the resin of pine trees.

1797
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,119
People think turpentine is an industrial solvent, but

1798
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:22,900
it's not. It's from the pine tree.

1799
01:07:23,454 --> 01:07:23,954
So,

1800
01:07:24,414 --> 01:07:26,994
anyway, that's the story of Avatar Products,

1801
01:07:27,855 --> 01:07:28,355
and

1802
01:07:29,214 --> 01:07:32,414
I appreciate anyone who buys from me. I

1803
01:07:32,414 --> 01:07:34,815
usually end up sometimes when I have to

1804
01:07:34,815 --> 01:07:37,214
have communication with a customer, I meet somebody

1805
01:07:37,214 --> 01:07:38,034
really fantastic.

1806
01:07:38,550 --> 01:07:40,730
My customers are wonderful people.

1807
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:43,289
You guys, wonderful people.

1808
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:45,829
I like it. And of course, people can

1809
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:48,570
get the newsletter by going to your website

1810
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:49,769
about the sky.com.

1811
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:51,769
They can follow through

1812
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:53,769
the links there,

1813
01:07:54,295 --> 01:07:54,795
but

1814
01:07:55,335 --> 01:07:56,875
it's great to talk to you again.

1815
01:07:57,175 --> 01:07:59,255
I apologize that it's been so long. I

1816
01:07:59,255 --> 01:08:01,094
mean, I don't think anybody that I talk

1817
01:08:01,094 --> 01:08:04,375
to now can say that we started in

1818
01:08:04,375 --> 01:08:04,875
2013

1819
01:08:05,414 --> 01:08:07,974
going back to the 60th show ever recorded.

1820
01:08:07,974 --> 01:08:10,300
So to me, that is a big deal,

1821
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:11,260
and

1822
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,800
I just appreciate what you do. You are

1823
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,019
a legend in the space.

1824
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:17,720
If I think about the last one we

1825
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:18,619
did, it was

1826
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:19,579
2021,

1827
01:08:20,695 --> 01:08:23,255
and it was largely about terrain theory. And

1828
01:08:23,255 --> 01:08:24,395
I think around that

1829
01:08:24,854 --> 01:08:26,715
time, I was just a little

1830
01:08:27,095 --> 01:08:30,475
sick of the health stuff because it dominated

1831
01:08:30,775 --> 01:08:31,435
so much

1832
01:08:31,814 --> 01:08:33,354
of the COVID chapter,

1833
01:08:33,814 --> 01:08:35,114
and you've got a new

1834
01:08:35,899 --> 01:08:36,399
level,

1835
01:08:36,780 --> 01:08:38,800
a new roster of people

1836
01:08:39,260 --> 01:08:41,199
like doctor Andy Wakefield

1837
01:08:41,579 --> 01:08:42,079
and

1838
01:08:42,619 --> 01:08:43,119
Malone

1839
01:08:43,579 --> 01:08:45,359
and a lot of these doctors,

1840
01:08:45,739 --> 01:08:48,060
Jessica Rose, who were doing the rounds on

1841
01:08:48,060 --> 01:08:48,560
podcast.

1842
01:08:49,114 --> 01:08:50,975
And I was just like, man, I need

1843
01:08:51,034 --> 01:08:53,835
some other topics besides health. It can't be

1844
01:08:53,835 --> 01:08:56,074
all health shows all the time. So I

1845
01:08:56,074 --> 01:08:59,215
think that's probably how the gap started,

1846
01:08:59,994 --> 01:09:01,435
and then, you know, life just gets in

1847
01:09:01,435 --> 01:09:02,635
the way. But I'm glad we could do

1848
01:09:02,635 --> 01:09:05,340
it again. No. I'm very happy because people

1849
01:09:05,340 --> 01:09:06,779
wrote to me and said, why aren't you

1850
01:09:06,779 --> 01:09:08,699
on higher side chats? I said, I tried

1851
01:09:08,699 --> 01:09:10,779
to email him and he doesn't respond. So

1852
01:09:10,779 --> 01:09:12,939
maybe that's why didn't know. But, Greg, I

1853
01:09:12,939 --> 01:09:15,659
just wanna blow your mind here. Please do.

1854
01:09:15,659 --> 01:09:17,659
So we talked about cartels at the beginning

1855
01:09:17,659 --> 01:09:20,145
of this show. Right? And I read that

1856
01:09:20,204 --> 01:09:22,704
book by Charles Bowden, who actually

1857
01:09:23,484 --> 01:09:26,444
ventured into Mexico and met with some of

1858
01:09:26,444 --> 01:09:29,645
these nefarious characters and heard these terrible stories.

1859
01:09:29,645 --> 01:09:31,725
And the book is a thick book. He

1860
01:09:31,725 --> 01:09:34,064
spent years researching this book.

1861
01:09:34,460 --> 01:09:37,199
And then I opened my favorite Harper's Magazine,

1862
01:09:37,899 --> 01:09:39,439
and I don't read these magazines

1863
01:09:39,899 --> 01:09:42,380
in sequence. So I have, like, a pile

1864
01:09:42,380 --> 01:09:44,539
of Harper's. I just pick 1 and start

1865
01:09:44,539 --> 01:09:46,479
reading it. And this is July 2023.

1866
01:09:46,780 --> 01:09:47,920
It's a book review.

1867
01:09:48,545 --> 01:09:49,925
And here's the book title.

1868
01:09:50,944 --> 01:09:52,965
Drunk cartels do not exist,

1869
01:09:53,664 --> 01:09:54,804
but Oswaldo

1870
01:09:55,984 --> 01:09:56,484
Zavala,

1871
01:09:57,585 --> 01:10:01,024
played it by William Savinor, Vanderbilt University Press,

1872
01:10:01,024 --> 01:10:02,724
206 pages, 3495.

1873
01:10:04,069 --> 01:10:04,569
Wow.

1874
01:10:04,949 --> 01:10:06,710
There are people in Mexico, and these are

1875
01:10:06,710 --> 01:10:08,729
people who have their feet on the ground,

1876
01:10:08,869 --> 01:10:10,810
who've had family members killed,

1877
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:13,989
dismembered, hanging from bridges, that kind of thing.

1878
01:10:13,989 --> 01:10:14,489
Right?

1879
01:10:15,029 --> 01:10:17,289
And they say drug cartels do not exist.

1880
01:10:17,625 --> 01:10:19,965
You know who it is according to them?

1881
01:10:21,385 --> 01:10:23,005
The police and politicians.

1882
01:10:25,465 --> 01:10:28,204
So I was reading this thinking, oh my

1883
01:10:28,585 --> 01:10:31,324
god. Here's one guy who says drug cartels,

1884
01:10:31,545 --> 01:10:33,539
you know, and everyone. All these people talking

1885
01:10:33,539 --> 01:10:35,939
about cartels. We have movies about them. And

1886
01:10:35,939 --> 01:10:38,280
then comes this guy who writes a book.

1887
01:10:38,579 --> 01:10:39,560
It doesn't exist.

1888
01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:42,280
So that's the beauty of our world.

1889
01:10:44,340 --> 01:10:47,239
Well, I definitely think the dividing line between

1890
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:47,800
cartels

1891
01:10:48,614 --> 01:10:51,734
and police and government and all that, it's,

1892
01:10:52,295 --> 01:10:55,094
more blurred than ever for sure. Maybe it

1893
01:10:55,094 --> 01:10:57,574
always was, which is the argument he's presenting,

1894
01:10:57,574 --> 01:10:58,314
it seems.

1895
01:10:58,854 --> 01:11:02,154
Yeah. So I'm gonna send you this article,

1896
01:11:02,689 --> 01:11:04,130
and you can read it. It's a book

1897
01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:06,069
review. I appreciate that.

1898
01:11:06,770 --> 01:11:07,270
Well,

1899
01:11:08,050 --> 01:11:10,529
again, thank you for your time. Thank you

1900
01:11:10,529 --> 01:11:12,210
for all the great work you do for

1901
01:11:12,210 --> 01:11:13,510
sending me the newsletters,

1902
01:11:14,449 --> 01:11:17,204
and I'm glad that we could talk about

1903
01:11:17,284 --> 01:11:19,545
some off the radar stuff today.

1904
01:11:19,925 --> 01:11:21,784
I'm glad that my avocado

1905
01:11:22,324 --> 01:11:23,225
blood money

1906
01:11:23,765 --> 01:11:25,945
quota has been filled for

1907
01:11:26,324 --> 01:11:27,465
episode topics.

1908
01:11:27,925 --> 01:11:29,864
Good. You can take a rest now.

1909
01:11:30,564 --> 01:11:31,064
Indeed.

1910
01:11:31,449 --> 01:11:33,630
Alright. Well, enjoy the rest of your day.

1911
01:11:33,850 --> 01:11:34,350
Enjoy

1912
01:11:34,810 --> 01:11:35,310
luxurious

1913
01:11:36,170 --> 01:11:36,670
California

1914
01:11:37,770 --> 01:11:40,270
like I once did, and take care.

1915
01:11:41,130 --> 01:11:43,069
Thank you. Goodbye, everyone.

1916
01:11:46,094 --> 01:11:49,554
Alright. Sophia Smallstorm back in the hot seat.

1917
01:11:49,935 --> 01:11:51,935
It has been a long time. Obviously, we

1918
01:11:51,935 --> 01:11:54,335
talked about that, but she is great. I

1919
01:11:54,335 --> 01:11:56,255
don't have a good reason as to why

1920
01:11:56,255 --> 01:11:58,800
it's been so long. I think maybe with

1921
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,020
our last one being during the COVID aftermath

1922
01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:05,300
and her being such a health focused guest,

1923
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,760
maybe I just wanted to lay all that

1924
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,100
down for a bit, but she's obviously versatile.

1925
01:12:10,765 --> 01:12:12,845
And she's one of those few people that

1926
01:12:12,845 --> 01:12:15,484
I think of as really embodying the best

1927
01:12:15,484 --> 01:12:16,704
parts of the Californian

1928
01:12:17,085 --> 01:12:17,585
archetype.

1929
01:12:18,284 --> 01:12:20,685
I am familiar with the community she lives

1930
01:12:20,685 --> 01:12:22,604
in. It's a little bit small. It's off

1931
01:12:22,604 --> 01:12:25,265
the radar. Local business supporting,

1932
01:12:26,010 --> 01:12:26,510
Corporate

1933
01:12:26,890 --> 01:12:27,630
chain rejecting.

1934
01:12:28,250 --> 01:12:32,010
High quality food and products, and homelessness is

1935
01:12:32,010 --> 01:12:34,430
not a problem, and there's walkable everything.

1936
01:12:35,289 --> 01:12:36,510
It's a dream, really.

1937
01:12:37,050 --> 01:12:39,289
It's the California you see in the movies,

1938
01:12:39,289 --> 01:12:41,675
but it's not the California talked about on

1939
01:12:41,675 --> 01:12:42,255
the news.

1940
01:12:42,875 --> 01:12:45,194
I can say having moved that, yeah, there's

1941
01:12:45,194 --> 01:12:46,814
a lot of political freedom

1942
01:12:47,274 --> 01:12:47,935
in Florida

1943
01:12:48,314 --> 01:12:49,614
contrasted to California,

1944
01:12:50,314 --> 01:12:52,155
but it's also kind of a food desert.

1945
01:12:52,155 --> 01:12:54,460
It's hard to find organic food here. It's

1946
01:12:54,460 --> 01:12:55,679
hard to find locally

1947
01:12:55,979 --> 01:12:57,760
grown organic for sure.

1948
01:12:58,219 --> 01:13:01,359
It's not something that the culture here really

1949
01:13:01,420 --> 01:13:02,960
respects or prioritizes,

1950
01:13:04,060 --> 01:13:05,500
and it's been a bit of a problem.

1951
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:06,719
It's a huge contrast.

1952
01:13:07,314 --> 01:13:09,074
And one of the main things I miss

1953
01:13:09,074 --> 01:13:10,774
about that Californian culture,

1954
01:13:11,314 --> 01:13:12,454
the farmers markets,

1955
01:13:12,755 --> 01:13:13,895
the acknowledgments

1956
01:13:14,675 --> 01:13:17,314
of how important it is to let money

1957
01:13:17,314 --> 01:13:19,314
flow within the community, all that kind of

1958
01:13:19,314 --> 01:13:19,814
stuff.

1959
01:13:20,210 --> 01:13:22,149
But her and I are just in different

1960
01:13:22,210 --> 01:13:24,689
stages of life. For someone starting a young

1961
01:13:24,689 --> 01:13:26,710
family in the 20 twenties

1962
01:13:27,409 --> 01:13:30,149
with the prices in areas like hers already

1963
01:13:30,210 --> 01:13:31,189
well out of reach,

1964
01:13:31,890 --> 01:13:33,945
it just isn't gonna work. So I will

1965
01:13:33,945 --> 01:13:36,744
take a little gentle ribbing about leaving, but

1966
01:13:36,744 --> 01:13:39,064
there's plenty I miss and also plenty I

1967
01:13:39,064 --> 01:13:39,564
don't.

1968
01:13:40,024 --> 01:13:43,244
However, I was thinking more about the cartels

1969
01:13:43,305 --> 01:13:45,064
and avocados, and I do find it to

1970
01:13:45,064 --> 01:13:46,445
be an interesting story

1971
01:13:47,029 --> 01:13:49,529
along with just how dependent the whole nation

1972
01:13:49,829 --> 01:13:52,329
well, theirs and ours, I guess. Both nations

1973
01:13:52,469 --> 01:13:54,569
are dependent on the drug trade.

1974
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:56,250
And for the cartels,

1975
01:13:56,710 --> 01:14:00,215
strategically, yes. Use the extra cash to compromise

1976
01:14:00,514 --> 01:14:03,175
other markets that are easier to be legitimized

1977
01:14:03,554 --> 01:14:04,054
in.

1978
01:14:04,675 --> 01:14:06,675
Obviously, pretty smart of them, but it's really

1979
01:14:06,675 --> 01:14:09,554
not much different than, say, the jaquita banana

1980
01:14:09,554 --> 01:14:12,435
story, you know, the Banana Republic term, the

1981
01:14:12,435 --> 01:14:14,694
whole thing of lobbying to use

1982
01:14:15,529 --> 01:14:16,909
the might of the military,

1983
01:14:17,609 --> 01:14:20,729
or the CIA, to compromise growing areas for

1984
01:14:20,729 --> 01:14:21,550
these corporations,

1985
01:14:22,729 --> 01:14:25,630
to stage coups, to get these leaders

1986
01:14:25,930 --> 01:14:28,409
in the third world, in the tropical areas,

1987
01:14:28,409 --> 01:14:29,069
to be

1988
01:14:29,784 --> 01:14:32,204
basically just puppets for one of our corporations?

1989
01:14:33,144 --> 01:14:34,744
It happens all the time. And, of course,

1990
01:14:34,744 --> 01:14:37,164
we like our gangsterism to be civilized.

1991
01:14:38,505 --> 01:14:40,024
But it's not all that different than what

1992
01:14:40,024 --> 01:14:41,944
the cartels do, and I'm sure this is

1993
01:14:41,944 --> 01:14:44,630
part of the argument that cartels make all

1994
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:46,010
the time to justify

1995
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:47,369
their actions.

1996
01:14:48,069 --> 01:14:51,109
But, yes, another example of me just kinda

1997
01:14:51,109 --> 01:14:51,609
booking

1998
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:55,350
guests without paying much attention to the dates

1999
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:56,970
and what's going on in the world.

2000
01:14:57,694 --> 01:14:59,054
And I'm sure this would have been a

2001
01:14:59,054 --> 01:15:01,614
bit more current and relevant if we had

2002
01:15:01,614 --> 01:15:03,394
recorded right after the inauguration

2003
01:15:03,694 --> 01:15:05,314
instead of days before.

2004
01:15:05,854 --> 01:15:07,854
Maybe it's better because then we can't just

2005
01:15:07,854 --> 01:15:09,534
talk about all the other things that other

2006
01:15:09,534 --> 01:15:11,295
shows are talking about, but, clearly, a lot

2007
01:15:11,295 --> 01:15:11,954
has happened.

2008
01:15:12,340 --> 01:15:13,860
And I think a good chunk of the

2009
01:15:13,860 --> 01:15:14,360
country

2010
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:16,360
just wants action.

2011
01:15:17,060 --> 01:15:20,020
I saw some statistics lately that young people

2012
01:15:20,020 --> 01:15:21,539
in the US and Europe are way more

2013
01:15:21,539 --> 01:15:23,079
willing to accept dictatorship,

2014
01:15:24,020 --> 01:15:26,204
and it was presented as a very scary

2015
01:15:26,204 --> 01:15:28,445
thing to see in our youth and right.

2016
01:15:28,445 --> 01:15:30,625
Yeah. I don't want dictatorship either.

2017
01:15:31,085 --> 01:15:33,244
But to play devil's advocate for them, anyone

2018
01:15:33,244 --> 01:15:36,125
under 40 has just seen election after election

2019
01:15:36,125 --> 01:15:38,204
where we get all these empty promises and

2020
01:15:38,204 --> 01:15:39,984
then, oops, congress is gridlocked.

2021
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:42,949
Nobody will work with anybody. Here comes another

2022
01:15:42,949 --> 01:15:45,289
filibuster. Here's another 55%

2023
01:15:45,670 --> 01:15:47,850
vote when 68% is required.

2024
01:15:49,029 --> 01:15:51,050
It's always the excuse. Right?

2025
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:53,189
So when I see a stat like that,

2026
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:55,625
I just think that younger people in particular

2027
01:15:55,845 --> 01:15:56,425
are like,

2028
01:15:56,885 --> 01:15:59,125
fine. I guess I'm okay with moving that

2029
01:15:59,125 --> 01:16:01,524
direction because it seems like the only way

2030
01:16:01,524 --> 01:16:02,505
to do anything.

2031
01:16:03,125 --> 01:16:05,465
And so Trump signed over a 100 executive

2032
01:16:05,604 --> 01:16:08,345
orders so far in 11 days and undid,

2033
01:16:08,404 --> 01:16:10,024
like, 70 of Biden's.

2034
01:16:10,789 --> 01:16:12,630
And, look, you'd have to go through each

2035
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:14,789
one and decide how you feel about it,

2036
01:16:14,789 --> 01:16:17,510
but I see both the excitement over just

2037
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:18,729
getting to fucking work

2038
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:19,850
and the concerns

2039
01:16:20,150 --> 01:16:21,210
over, hey.

2040
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:24,229
What happened to going through the appropriate channels

2041
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:25,369
for some of this stuff?

2042
01:16:25,864 --> 01:16:28,344
Do we really wanna set a precedent of

2043
01:16:28,344 --> 01:16:29,725
government by decree?

2044
01:16:30,425 --> 01:16:32,664
And even for the Trump fans, fine. You

2045
01:16:32,664 --> 01:16:34,585
like the guy. Good. Well, he's only gonna

2046
01:16:34,585 --> 01:16:36,505
be in office for 4 years, and then

2047
01:16:36,505 --> 01:16:38,505
we've set a precedent for someone you might

2048
01:16:38,505 --> 01:16:39,244
not like.

2049
01:16:40,140 --> 01:16:43,600
It's difficult. Difficult nuanced stuff. But, of course,

2050
01:16:44,140 --> 01:16:46,880
we got a big announcement about project Stargate.

2051
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:48,319
Such an esoterically

2052
01:16:49,020 --> 01:16:52,300
drenched name for basically a smart city AI

2053
01:16:52,300 --> 01:16:52,800
infrastructure

2054
01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:53,600
deal.

2055
01:16:54,244 --> 01:16:56,965
I'm sure we'll be talking about that for

2056
01:16:56,965 --> 01:16:59,204
years. And we got all this talk about

2057
01:16:59,204 --> 01:17:02,324
Doge and smaller government and eliminating all this

2058
01:17:02,324 --> 01:17:04,345
bloat. Great. Again. Sure.

2059
01:17:04,805 --> 01:17:06,805
But a lot of alternative people are saying

2060
01:17:06,805 --> 01:17:09,819
that what's actually happening is these positions are

2061
01:17:09,819 --> 01:17:12,779
being cleared out, so there's no resistance left

2062
01:17:12,779 --> 01:17:14,239
to these sweeping changes.

2063
01:17:14,939 --> 01:17:16,939
Many of which are not going to be

2064
01:17:16,939 --> 01:17:17,439
good.

2065
01:17:17,979 --> 01:17:19,340
And I think we gotta ask if we're

2066
01:17:19,340 --> 01:17:21,439
in the middle of an AI war already.

2067
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:23,564
What's going on with these planes and these

2068
01:17:23,564 --> 01:17:25,904
collisions and these crashes? You know?

2069
01:17:26,604 --> 01:17:28,864
I think there's some real behind the curtain

2070
01:17:28,925 --> 01:17:30,765
kind of stuff going on, and we've talked

2071
01:17:30,765 --> 01:17:33,324
about the Talpiot program in the past. I

2072
01:17:33,324 --> 01:17:35,404
think something like that might be happening with

2073
01:17:35,404 --> 01:17:38,260
China too. I heard one journalist break it

2074
01:17:38,260 --> 01:17:40,899
down as that we might not know why

2075
01:17:40,899 --> 01:17:43,859
these planes crashed or collided until a few

2076
01:17:43,859 --> 01:17:45,000
years down the road

2077
01:17:45,380 --> 01:17:47,619
when China wants to take Taiwan or wants

2078
01:17:47,619 --> 01:17:48,439
to do something.

2079
01:17:49,164 --> 01:17:50,925
And they call the president and say, hey.

2080
01:17:50,925 --> 01:17:53,404
Remember those crashes? Wouldn't it be a shame

2081
01:17:53,404 --> 01:17:56,284
if that happened 100 of more times this

2082
01:17:56,284 --> 01:17:56,784
week?

2083
01:17:57,085 --> 01:17:58,764
Maybe you should focus on that and let

2084
01:17:58,764 --> 01:18:00,685
us do what we're doing, or take these

2085
01:18:00,685 --> 01:18:03,264
tariffs off, or whatever. Leverage is leverage.

2086
01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:07,180
I'm just curious if these computer systems are

2087
01:18:07,180 --> 01:18:09,340
compromised and this is just the tip of

2088
01:18:09,340 --> 01:18:10,000
the iceberg.

2089
01:18:10,860 --> 01:18:13,180
That would be my big concern. They can

2090
01:18:13,180 --> 01:18:16,000
make some planes collide today, but

2091
01:18:16,755 --> 01:18:19,635
what about this spilling into critical infrastructure, killing

2092
01:18:19,635 --> 01:18:21,654
the power or water in big cities?

2093
01:18:22,435 --> 01:18:23,875
I mean, we don't do any of our

2094
01:18:23,875 --> 01:18:26,935
own shit. You can criticize the tariff play,

2095
01:18:27,554 --> 01:18:29,975
but at this point, if you were given

2096
01:18:30,340 --> 01:18:33,140
the wheel, how do you incentivize people to

2097
01:18:33,140 --> 01:18:35,619
build stuff here? Because building stuff here is

2098
01:18:35,619 --> 01:18:37,939
the only way that we maybe get some

2099
01:18:37,939 --> 01:18:39,159
of the jobs back

2100
01:18:39,619 --> 01:18:41,720
and also control our own production.

2101
01:18:42,755 --> 01:18:44,854
If you want to reel back globalism

2102
01:18:45,954 --> 01:18:49,074
in a world dominated by financial incentives, then

2103
01:18:49,074 --> 01:18:50,914
you have to use some kind of financial

2104
01:18:50,914 --> 01:18:51,974
incentive to

2105
01:18:52,514 --> 01:18:54,210
move the needle back the other way. I

2106
01:18:54,289 --> 01:18:56,130
mean, who knows what's really going on behind

2107
01:18:56,130 --> 01:18:58,609
the scenes, but on the surface level, that

2108
01:18:58,609 --> 01:19:00,469
makes logical sense to me.

2109
01:19:01,010 --> 01:19:03,329
But so much is happening so fast. It's

2110
01:19:03,329 --> 01:19:05,489
hard to really keep track of and make

2111
01:19:05,489 --> 01:19:07,489
a proper assessment of before you're hit with

2112
01:19:07,489 --> 01:19:09,875
some next thing. But I can say I

2113
01:19:09,875 --> 01:19:12,354
don't trust the Tech bro administration, and I

2114
01:19:12,354 --> 01:19:15,154
think they might be grossly outplayed and out

2115
01:19:15,154 --> 01:19:15,975
of their depth.

2116
01:19:16,835 --> 01:19:18,215
But what are you gonna do?

2117
01:19:18,515 --> 01:19:20,774
Pay attention to the things you can control

2118
01:19:20,835 --> 01:19:22,659
and have the grace to ignore the rest

2119
01:19:22,659 --> 01:19:23,939
or something like that. I don't know. I

2120
01:19:23,939 --> 01:19:26,439
never went to AA, but that's the motto.

2121
01:19:27,219 --> 01:19:29,859
And we can say no to jabs, and

2122
01:19:29,859 --> 01:19:31,539
we can try to have our own backup

2123
01:19:31,539 --> 01:19:34,819
power and good local food supplies and unplug

2124
01:19:34,819 --> 01:19:36,994
from the Internet when we need it. And

2125
01:19:36,994 --> 01:19:38,755
then you just kinda gotta let the chips

2126
01:19:38,755 --> 01:19:39,734
fall where they may.

2127
01:19:40,354 --> 01:19:42,194
And that said, I did have a good

2128
01:19:42,194 --> 01:19:44,835
time today, though. Shouldn't wait so long next

2129
01:19:44,835 --> 01:19:47,314
time to check-in with Sofia. She really is

2130
01:19:47,314 --> 01:19:48,454
willing to go anywhere.

2131
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:51,110
It took us a minute to get going,

2132
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:52,949
but I think when we opened it up

2133
01:19:52,949 --> 01:19:54,630
towards the end of the first hour and

2134
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:56,789
then into the second hour, we started cooking

2135
01:19:56,789 --> 01:20:00,170
with gas. We talked about grounding and electron

2136
01:20:00,310 --> 01:20:00,810
deficiency

2137
01:20:01,270 --> 01:20:02,649
and cellular repair,

2138
01:20:03,534 --> 01:20:06,514
corruption in the silver and gold markets, abusive

2139
01:20:06,574 --> 01:20:07,074
mining

2140
01:20:07,774 --> 01:20:09,394
of the Sarawico mountain,

2141
01:20:09,854 --> 01:20:12,175
and then we dared to mention Sandy Hook

2142
01:20:12,175 --> 01:20:12,675
and

2143
01:20:13,375 --> 01:20:15,074
what Sofia called the arkonic

2144
01:20:15,390 --> 01:20:17,710
nerve. I like that term that there's these

2145
01:20:17,710 --> 01:20:19,810
things that are just that level 11.

2146
01:20:20,350 --> 01:20:22,929
Don't go there. You're hitting the iconic nerve.

2147
01:20:23,469 --> 01:20:25,310
And we mentioned at least one other thing

2148
01:20:25,310 --> 01:20:26,050
that might

2149
01:20:27,069 --> 01:20:29,649
be such a nerve, but all good stuff.

2150
01:20:30,105 --> 01:20:32,425
The full 2 hour interview is always better

2151
01:20:32,425 --> 01:20:34,585
and deeper than just the first. So often

2152
01:20:34,585 --> 01:20:36,265
I hear from people, well, I never signed

2153
01:20:36,265 --> 01:20:38,025
up because I just felt the first hour

2154
01:20:38,025 --> 01:20:39,885
was enough. I felt like it was complete.

2155
01:20:40,664 --> 01:20:42,505
But that is why I tried to at

2156
01:20:42,505 --> 01:20:44,425
least bullet point a few of the topics

2157
01:20:44,425 --> 01:20:46,320
in the second hour, but it's always

2158
01:20:46,860 --> 01:20:48,960
deeper and better because we

2159
01:20:49,979 --> 01:20:52,000
get more comfortable as we go along.

2160
01:20:52,380 --> 01:20:54,460
Sometimes get a little more loose lipped, if

2161
01:20:54,460 --> 01:20:55,600
you know what I'm saying.

2162
01:20:56,060 --> 01:20:58,395
And we got almost 8 100 great interviews

2163
01:20:58,395 --> 01:21:00,635
in that archive for Plus members. Come on

2164
01:21:00,635 --> 01:21:01,935
in. The water's fine.

2165
01:21:02,554 --> 01:21:03,994
Use the link right at the top of

2166
01:21:03,994 --> 01:21:05,994
the show notes and see for yourself. And

2167
01:21:05,994 --> 01:21:06,974
Hire side news,

2168
01:21:07,354 --> 01:21:10,154
the big Hire Soup event is happening and

2169
01:21:10,154 --> 01:21:13,039
the details are ironed out. Gordon and I

2170
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:14,579
are gonna be doing a free

2171
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,440
live talk and hangout on March 8th at

2172
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:20,400
High Springs Brewing in High Springs, Florida noonish

2173
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:21,699
till about 5 PM.

2174
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,420
Could we have sold tickets to this? Yeah.

2175
01:21:24,904 --> 01:21:26,824
Could we have called in some other people

2176
01:21:26,824 --> 01:21:28,664
and tried to make it a bigger thing,

2177
01:21:28,664 --> 01:21:30,824
maybe a multi day event? Oh, yeah. We

2178
01:21:30,824 --> 01:21:31,564
could have.

2179
01:21:32,104 --> 01:21:34,284
But I don't like seeing these big conferences

2180
01:21:34,505 --> 01:21:36,125
with these $2, $300

2181
01:21:36,505 --> 01:21:37,404
ticket prices.

2182
01:21:38,579 --> 01:21:40,420
It gets a little crazy, so we said,

2183
01:21:40,420 --> 01:21:42,600
whatever. We're gonna do a smaller thing.

2184
01:21:43,060 --> 01:21:44,820
What more do you need besides a card

2185
01:21:44,820 --> 01:21:47,239
table and me and Gordon having some topics

2186
01:21:47,300 --> 01:21:48,199
to talk about?

2187
01:21:48,579 --> 01:21:51,079
Some drinks, some company, and a good hang,

2188
01:21:51,514 --> 01:21:53,354
And why do you need to charge for

2189
01:21:53,354 --> 01:21:53,854
that?

2190
01:21:54,314 --> 01:21:56,314
So let's see what happens. We've never put

2191
01:21:56,314 --> 01:21:58,715
out a free event to the wider unpaid

2192
01:21:58,715 --> 01:22:00,795
audience before, so we really don't know what

2193
01:22:00,795 --> 01:22:02,255
kind of turnout to expect.

2194
01:22:03,114 --> 01:22:05,489
Usually, when we combine the tribes, we keep

2195
01:22:05,489 --> 01:22:07,409
it to members only so as to not

2196
01:22:07,409 --> 01:22:07,909
overwhelm

2197
01:22:08,289 --> 01:22:10,530
any business or coffee shop that we might

2198
01:22:10,530 --> 01:22:11,030
be

2199
01:22:11,650 --> 01:22:12,150
using

2200
01:22:13,090 --> 01:22:14,930
just to know we have a more managed

2201
01:22:14,930 --> 01:22:17,010
situation. Because when we did Austin, we didn't

2202
01:22:17,010 --> 01:22:19,650
charge either, but we only told our inner

2203
01:22:19,650 --> 01:22:20,150
circle.

2204
01:22:20,545 --> 01:22:22,224
And this time, we're just gonna go for

2205
01:22:22,224 --> 01:22:24,545
it. Life is short. Events like these are

2206
01:22:24,545 --> 01:22:25,045
rare.

2207
01:22:25,664 --> 01:22:27,425
Come join the fun. The guys at High

2208
01:22:27,425 --> 01:22:30,224
Springs are listeners, and you might recall me

2209
01:22:30,224 --> 01:22:32,304
calling out a few of their meetups in

2210
01:22:32,304 --> 01:22:32,965
the past.

2211
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:34,920
So we're in good company, but it is

2212
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,920
an out of the way place, not too

2213
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:38,539
close to any major city.

2214
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,239
And here in comes the second layer of

2215
01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:43,400
the event. We are renting a party bus

2216
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,400
here in Tampa to drive us there and

2217
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:45,900
back,

2218
01:22:46,305 --> 01:22:48,404
and that is open to you as well.

2219
01:22:48,864 --> 01:22:51,125
The bus is not free, though. It's $75.

2220
01:22:51,585 --> 01:22:53,585
Kinda sucks, but that is just the cost

2221
01:22:53,585 --> 01:22:55,744
of the bus divided by the seats on

2222
01:22:55,744 --> 01:22:58,064
it. So you can get yourself to High

2223
01:22:58,064 --> 01:22:59,744
Springs and hang out with both of us

2224
01:22:59,744 --> 01:23:01,524
and a bunch of like minded people

2225
01:23:02,010 --> 01:23:03,710
for free. Just have a good time.

2226
01:23:04,489 --> 01:23:06,010
Or you can hop on the bus with

2227
01:23:06,010 --> 01:23:06,989
us in Tampa,

2228
01:23:07,850 --> 01:23:09,609
and it is a 2 hour trip there.

2229
01:23:09,609 --> 01:23:11,289
And there is a bathroom on the bus,

2230
01:23:11,289 --> 01:23:13,050
and it's drink friendly, so we're gonna be

2231
01:23:13,050 --> 01:23:14,829
having some good pregame fun.

2232
01:23:15,515 --> 01:23:17,034
And then, of course, we will bring you

2233
01:23:17,034 --> 01:23:17,935
back in the evening.

2234
01:23:18,314 --> 01:23:19,835
The bus will be meeting in front of

2235
01:23:19,835 --> 01:23:21,614
the Tampa Theater, a

2236
01:23:22,155 --> 01:23:24,795
landmark that anyone in Tampa knows. And hot

2237
01:23:24,795 --> 01:23:25,295
tip,

2238
01:23:25,914 --> 01:23:26,414
Supernatural

2239
01:23:26,954 --> 01:23:29,039
is next door, and they make the best

2240
01:23:29,039 --> 01:23:31,280
breakfast sandwiches in the city. So I see

2241
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,280
myself smoking a joint in the park across

2242
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,359
the street, grabbing a coffee and a breakfast

2243
01:23:35,359 --> 01:23:37,039
sandwich and some beers for the road and

2244
01:23:37,039 --> 01:23:39,199
hopping on that bus and having a good

2245
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:40,180
time with the people.

2246
01:23:40,935 --> 01:23:42,954
If you wanna go to the event, please

2247
01:23:43,175 --> 01:23:43,675
RSVP

2248
01:23:44,295 --> 01:23:46,555
on the event page at higher side meetups.com.

2249
01:23:46,854 --> 01:23:48,695
We just wanna have a decent idea of

2250
01:23:48,695 --> 01:23:50,314
how many people will show up,

2251
01:23:50,854 --> 01:23:52,774
and that's also where you will find the

2252
01:23:52,774 --> 01:23:54,854
link to secure a bus seat if you

2253
01:23:54,854 --> 01:23:56,074
wanna do that too.

2254
01:23:56,539 --> 01:23:58,300
Not bad to have a sober driver back

2255
01:23:58,300 --> 01:23:59,360
to the city. Right?

2256
01:23:59,820 --> 01:24:01,020
So I just had to let you guys

2257
01:24:01,020 --> 01:24:03,100
know about that. I'm glad we're able to

2258
01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:03,600
bring

2259
01:24:03,979 --> 01:24:06,380
High Springs Brewing some business since they are

2260
01:24:06,380 --> 01:24:08,060
kind of in the network and just good

2261
01:24:08,060 --> 01:24:08,560
people.

2262
01:24:09,645 --> 01:24:11,005
I guess you can call me the Dave

2263
01:24:11,005 --> 01:24:14,204
Portnoy of conspiracy podcast, and we're supporting local

2264
01:24:14,204 --> 01:24:14,704
businesses.

2265
01:24:15,244 --> 01:24:16,684
But I don't wanna get too ahead of

2266
01:24:16,684 --> 01:24:18,684
myself before we go over other things on

2267
01:24:18,684 --> 01:24:20,284
the meetup calendar. We gotta go over the

2268
01:24:20,284 --> 01:24:23,164
rating of the last episode. Andrew Collins, a

2269
01:24:23,164 --> 01:24:25,380
legend in the ancient hidden history

2270
01:24:26,659 --> 01:24:28,579
space, and I coulda called it with my

2271
01:24:28,579 --> 01:24:30,039
eyes closed. 4.7.

2272
01:24:31,859 --> 01:24:34,100
I expect no less. He is the man.

2273
01:24:34,100 --> 01:24:35,319
He can talk plasmas,

2274
01:24:35,699 --> 01:24:36,199
shamanism,

2275
01:24:36,579 --> 01:24:37,800
megalithic sites,

2276
01:24:38,515 --> 01:24:39,015
Anunnaki,

2277
01:24:39,315 --> 01:24:42,195
mystic religious relics, all sorts of great things,

2278
01:24:42,195 --> 01:24:44,755
and the overlap between all of them. I

2279
01:24:44,755 --> 01:24:46,355
love how he gives his take on the

2280
01:24:46,355 --> 01:24:48,595
foundation of a lot of religious myths and

2281
01:24:48,595 --> 01:24:50,695
tropes. I'm largely on that page.

2282
01:24:51,155 --> 01:24:53,335
We had a few people grumbling about

2283
01:24:53,770 --> 01:24:55,789
some comments he made about black holes.

2284
01:24:56,170 --> 01:24:56,670
Sure.

2285
01:24:57,449 --> 01:24:59,469
Be that as it may, great episode.

2286
01:25:00,409 --> 01:25:01,469
And, you know, sometimes

2287
01:25:01,850 --> 01:25:04,729
I listen to a guy like Andrew Collins,

2288
01:25:04,729 --> 01:25:07,210
and I start thinking about the D Wave

2289
01:25:07,210 --> 01:25:08,510
computer or

2290
01:25:08,905 --> 01:25:11,145
looking at, like, the shape of a server

2291
01:25:11,145 --> 01:25:11,645
farm,

2292
01:25:12,024 --> 01:25:14,265
and I consider the black cube and how

2293
01:25:14,265 --> 01:25:16,664
foundational it is to our religions, even the

2294
01:25:16,664 --> 01:25:18,604
cross being an unfolded cube.

2295
01:25:19,385 --> 01:25:21,625
What is this voice that people are picking

2296
01:25:21,625 --> 01:25:22,604
up and

2297
01:25:23,130 --> 01:25:24,989
is transmitting to the ark of the covenant.

2298
01:25:25,610 --> 01:25:27,770
I think about the cyclical nature of things

2299
01:25:27,770 --> 01:25:31,289
and stories of highly advanced Atlantis, and I

2300
01:25:31,289 --> 01:25:34,329
wonder if what was being worshiped or heard

2301
01:25:34,329 --> 01:25:35,710
was some sort of supercomputer

2302
01:25:36,645 --> 01:25:39,045
from Atlantis playing the role of God for

2303
01:25:39,045 --> 01:25:40,965
people who were just too far removed to

2304
01:25:40,965 --> 01:25:43,284
understand what it was or is if it's

2305
01:25:43,284 --> 01:25:44,184
still out there.

2306
01:25:44,724 --> 01:25:47,284
They say the truth is so shocking people

2307
01:25:47,284 --> 01:25:48,804
would not be able to handle it. And

2308
01:25:48,804 --> 01:25:51,569
when you consider how religious some people are

2309
01:25:51,569 --> 01:25:53,569
or how convinced they are of the alien

2310
01:25:53,569 --> 01:25:54,069
motif,

2311
01:25:55,010 --> 01:25:57,729
what if aliens and UFOs are aspects of

2312
01:25:57,729 --> 01:26:00,130
this super system that was built by ancient

2313
01:26:00,130 --> 01:26:00,630
humans?

2314
01:26:01,649 --> 01:26:04,425
Who knows? That's, probably something to save for

2315
01:26:04,425 --> 01:26:05,805
another time, but 4.7,

2316
01:26:06,185 --> 01:26:07,005
I love it.

2317
01:26:07,385 --> 01:26:09,305
So glad I got Andrew Collins to come

2318
01:26:09,305 --> 01:26:11,145
on. Truly honored. I hope I did him

2319
01:26:11,145 --> 01:26:11,645
justice.

2320
01:26:12,265 --> 01:26:14,104
And as for the rest of the meetup

2321
01:26:14,104 --> 01:26:14,604
calendar,

2322
01:26:15,610 --> 01:26:18,650
February is pretty active. February 3rd, Gale Braith's

2323
01:26:18,650 --> 01:26:20,729
Ale House in Auckland, New Zealand. Been calling

2324
01:26:20,729 --> 01:26:23,310
that one out for a minute. February 7th,

2325
01:26:23,369 --> 01:26:25,310
Bunks Bar in Portland, Oregon.

2326
01:26:25,770 --> 01:26:26,829
February 8th,

2327
01:26:27,385 --> 01:26:28,604
Greensville, Pennsylvania,

2328
01:26:28,984 --> 01:26:32,104
McCall Collective Tap House, February 8th as well.

2329
01:26:32,104 --> 01:26:35,085
3 Nations Brewing in Carlton, Texas.

2330
01:26:36,104 --> 01:26:38,744
February 10th, Santa Fe, New Mexico at Roots

2331
01:26:38,744 --> 01:26:40,524
and Leaves, February 15th,

2332
01:26:41,460 --> 01:26:41,960
Vlissingen,

2333
01:26:42,420 --> 01:26:44,279
the Netherlands, h two

2334
01:26:44,579 --> 01:26:45,079
booster.

2335
01:26:45,859 --> 01:26:48,420
And then, of course, it jumps to March

2336
01:26:48,420 --> 01:26:50,039
8th, High Springs Brewing,

2337
01:26:50,819 --> 01:26:52,359
and the Higher Soup

2338
01:26:52,899 --> 01:26:54,645
live talk and hang. I I say live

2339
01:26:54,645 --> 01:26:56,085
talk. I mean, I guess it's a live

2340
01:26:56,085 --> 01:26:58,585
podcast. We will be recording it for

2341
01:26:59,125 --> 01:27:01,145
a plus and premium member bonus,

2342
01:27:01,845 --> 01:27:03,704
but whatever. Come be part of it.

2343
01:27:04,164 --> 01:27:04,744
I'm sure

2344
01:27:05,444 --> 01:27:07,045
there will be a lengthy q and a

2345
01:27:07,045 --> 01:27:09,204
when we're done covering the topic that we

2346
01:27:09,204 --> 01:27:10,104
settled on.

2347
01:27:10,699 --> 01:27:12,300
But great. Well, that is the way the

2348
01:27:12,300 --> 01:27:15,579
cookie crumbles. Do check out Sofia's store and

2349
01:27:15,579 --> 01:27:17,739
blog. Sign up for her newsletter if you

2350
01:27:17,739 --> 01:27:19,119
want that inside scoop.

2351
01:27:19,659 --> 01:27:22,220
I respect so much how she's managed to

2352
01:27:22,220 --> 01:27:25,260
do her own thing, covering unique topics, every

2353
01:27:25,260 --> 01:27:25,760
newsletter,

2354
01:27:26,595 --> 01:27:27,975
and I'm lucky to know her.

2355
01:27:28,275 --> 01:27:30,454
But thanks for listening. I'm calling it in.

2356
01:27:30,675 --> 01:27:31,815
I've done my part.

2357
01:27:32,195 --> 01:27:35,395
Your move, Arconic agents, artificial life promoters, and

2358
01:27:35,395 --> 01:27:36,614
avocado cartels.

2359
01:27:37,555 --> 01:27:38,055
Your

2360
01:27:38,430 --> 01:27:40,850
fucking move. We're spiraling

2361
01:27:41,229 --> 01:27:41,729
down,

2362
01:27:42,909 --> 01:27:43,890
try to keep

2363
01:27:44,270 --> 01:27:44,770
composure.

2364
01:27:45,949 --> 01:27:47,489
So much to learn about

2365
01:27:49,069 --> 01:27:50,304
that needs exposure. She finds a story almost

2366
01:27:50,304 --> 01:27:50,850
any place.

2367
01:27:52,750 --> 01:27:53,250
I'm

2368
01:27:55,204 --> 01:27:57,225
story almost any place.

2369
01:27:58,885 --> 01:27:59,465
We're lucky

2370
01:27:59,845 --> 01:28:00,744
to have her

2371
01:28:02,085 --> 01:28:03,704
tracking every kiss.

2372
01:28:05,284 --> 01:28:07,140
She's a small store making big

2373
01:28:38,060 --> 01:28:40,539
Laying out more lies on a bed of

2374
01:28:40,539 --> 01:28:41,520
broken promise.

2375
01:28:43,659 --> 01:28:45,359
It's a rocky road.

2376
01:28:46,220 --> 01:28:48,159
Can't drive it straight through.

2377
01:28:50,539 --> 01:28:51,680
A letter come

2378
01:30:12,994 --> 01:30:13,494
hide.