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The planets

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puppet masters

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have a plan

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that's clearly

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something there

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beyond the realm of man.

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I find the more we think we know,

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that the less we really

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do, where

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Because we know they're lying to us.

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Just don't know to what degree.

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The higher side checks show. Gregg

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Carlwood

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and company.

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Then you can't steal my sunshine from the

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sunshine state. I'm Gregg Carlwood, and while the

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modern world is full of individual people with

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bizarre stories of entity encounters, crop circles, balls

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of light, and strange journeys to hidden realms,

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our culture is completely devoid of any acknowledgment,

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let alone encouragement or understanding of these engagements.

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But what if long ago civilizations

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existed where this was not the case and

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in fact, entire stone megaliths and monuments were

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built for facilitating this non human entity communication

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with animalistic spirit beings and conscious plasma?

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A time where shamanic rituals were popularized and

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leaned into long before the multitude of distractions

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and entertainment options of today.

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A legacy perhaps carried on through secret societies

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despite every attempt to destroy it by the

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consolidated power structure of the time.

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Well, these are just some of the major

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themes found in the work of today's guest,

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Andrew Collins, who has been writing about the

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crossroads of history and science for over 40

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years with books like From the Ashes of

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Angels, The Forbidden Legacy of a Fallen Race,

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Gods of Eden, Egypt's Lost Legacy in the

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Genesis of Civilization,

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The Cygnus Mystery, unlocking the ancient secrets of

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life's origins in the cosmos,

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LightQuest,

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your guide to seeing and interacting with UFOs,

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mystery lights, and plasma intelligences,

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the Cygnus Key, the Denisovan legacy, Gobekli Tepe

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and the birth of Egypt, Gobekli Tepe, Genesis

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of the Gods, the Temple of the Watchers

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and the Discovery of Eden,

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and the 2 co authored books with doctor

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Gregory Little that we've covered previously, Denesovan

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Origins, Human Hybrids, Gobekli Tepe and the Genesis

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of Giants in Ancient America,

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and Origins of the Gods, Kisum Caves, Skinwalkers,

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and Contact with Transdimensional

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Intelligences.

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His latest book, Karahantepae,

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Civilization of the Anunnaki and the Cosmic Origins

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of the Serpent of Eden, puts the Karahantephe

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site in the larger context of shamanic rituals

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and higher intelligence he's been talking about for

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years. And let it also be known that

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among Andrew's greatest achievements in the field of

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ancient civilizations

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was the discovery of a huge cave complex

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beneath the shadow of the Great Pyramid of

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Egypt, now known as Collins Cave.

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A true legend, and I'm lucky to have

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him here, the plasma intelligence hypothesizer

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ancient civilization sleuth and teacher of the tepes.

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Andrew Collins, I can hardly believe it. Welcome

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to THC.

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Hello, Greg. Thank you for that extraordinary

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introduction.

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Hopefully, I'll live up to that in what

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we talk about today. Oh, I know you

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will, and I'm just super excited about this.

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It's only been a year or 2 since

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I started to understand the plasma context when

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it comes to communications with some sort of

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hyperdimensional

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beings and the things usually called

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aliens or spirits or even gods. And then

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I learned that you've been highlighting this since

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at least your 2012 book, Light Quest, if

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not before. But to start with the latest

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book, this does come up in Karahantepay

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because your assessment of the site is that

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it was a ritual space designed for communication

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with just such a being. Right?

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Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, what is Karahantepay?

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It is arguably the most enigmatic

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the so called Tajtepeller

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ritual sites in Southeastern Turkey,

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but not the most well known. The most

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well known is, of course, Gobekli Tepe,

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which we've known about since the beginning of

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this current century.

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And I've been on since that time. And

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the reason why I got on to it

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was because in the mid 19 nineties, I

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wrote a book which you've already mentioned called

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from the ashes of angels,

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which talked about

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the myths and legends

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of the various different mythical beings of the

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Near East and Middle East that were said

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to have given humanity

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the rudiments of civilization.

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In Hebrew myth, they are known as the

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Watchers and the Nephilim.

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In Mesopotamian myth, they're known as the Anunnaki.

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In Iranian myth, they're known as the Immortals.

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In Armenian myth, they're known as the Giants.

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And all of them are said to have

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looked quite different to the

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mortal beings that they interact with.

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But they're very clearly, in my opinion, a

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memory of

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flesh and blood human beings that existed on

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this earth and probably

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were responsible for kick starting

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what we know as the Neolithic revolution at

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the end of the last ice age.

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and eastern Turkey.

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first post

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ice age civilization

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that we know today under the term Trasztepella.

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And this is a term that people are

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gonna have to get familiar with because it's

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what the people

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in Turkey want us to call it.

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Tas

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basically means

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stone, really, and this refers to the fact

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that this culture were the first to build

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in stone.

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And the tepala relates to the tepes,

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which are these occupational

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mounds,

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these layer cakes of human activity,

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which all of these structures have been built

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either within or on top of or whatever.

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Each different generation building something new, either to

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the side or on top and gradually creating

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this huge

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mound

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that you often see in the landscape of

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southeastern Turkey.

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I mean, not only is places like Gobekli

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Tepe, obviously, by virtue of its name, one

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of these occupational mounds, but there are literally

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hundreds of them.

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And most of them have actually not

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been fully investigated.

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I mean, if you go to that area,

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you'll you'll see them all over the place.

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I mean, some of them date back 12000

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years, but some of them only go back

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to the iron age, maybe to 3000

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years. But it's a familiar site. So this

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is the term that's now used, Tashtepeller.

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revolves around Gobekli Tepe, around Karahantepai.

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And what you have at these sites are

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these

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extraordinary stone enclosures with t shaped pillars.

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And these t shaped pillars are like spokes

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of a wheel around

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what is generally two much larger

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monolithic

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t shaped pillars at the center of these

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enclosures.

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And the t shaped pillars themselves

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are covered in beautiful carved imagery,

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mostly animals,

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animals presumably of the natural world in which

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these people lived. But also, there is human

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representations

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as well, plus human heads.

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There are certain animals that crop up again

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and again, like the boar,

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the vulture,

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the leopard or panther,

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the bull, which very clearly must have had

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a special place

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within this community,

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probably to do with animistic and shamanistic

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beliefs.

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And there are also beliefs and practices that

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can be deduced

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from a number of the carved

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pillars, particularly one called pillar 43

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that we find in Gobekli Tepe, which is

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essentially

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an information board, really,

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telling the shaman how to enter into the

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sky world and what exactly they'll find when

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they get there.

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So this is the background of it, but

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Karahantepai

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is somewhere that I've been going to since

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2004,

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so over 20

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years now.

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And when I first got there,

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all that you could see on the ground

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was just a few

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angled

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pieces of what they call pothole stones, which

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looked like they might have come out of

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a medieval building, but they dated back at

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least 10000 years.

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There were stone tools all over the place,

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thousands of them, showing that there was an

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awful lot of human activity there

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in the past.

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But in addition to that, there were the

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heads of these t shaped pillars just sticking

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up out of the ground.

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Most of them quite warm because they've been

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exposed

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above the surface

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of the Earth, you know, for probably

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10000 years.

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And it was quite obvious that somewhere here

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was another Gobekli Tepe.

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And in 2019,

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excavations

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began

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there under the leadership of doctor Nezhmi Karol

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of the University of Istanbul.

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And from that point onwards through to today,

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they've uncovered

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what I would describe as virtually a lost

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city of the Anunnaki.

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Why the Anunnaki we can come on to?

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But, I mean, it's just extraordinary,

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and it's quite clear that what was happening

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at Karahantepay

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is far deeper,

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far rawer,

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far more shamanic

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than what was happening at Gobekli Tepe. I

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mean, to me, Gobekli Tepe is almost like

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a sort of

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Catholic cathedral, you know, of lots of different

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chapels and churches and rooms and whatever.

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Whereas

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whatever was going on at Karahanshaepe

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was much darker,

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much more gnostic.

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You know, these people were trying to get

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to the root of everything, trying to understand

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quite literally, you know, who we were, where

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we come from, and what's

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out there, basically.

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Mhmm. Well, that is a great summary. And

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on the subject of how to enter the

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sky world that you mentioned, I wanted to

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read this section even though it's long, and

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I'm gonna butcher the names. But this section

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is called entering starry portals.

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In their seminal work on the development of

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beliefs and practices relating to world ages, cosmic

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axis, and the concept of processional time titled

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Hamlet's Mill,

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Italian American philosopher and historian of science,

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Giorgio

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d Santillana,

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and German anthropologist,

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Hertha

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von De Chan, had much to say about

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such alignments, drawing on star

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lore and mythological traditions from such diverse places

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as North and South America, Polynesia,

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Egypt, and Mesopotamia,

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they gathered together compelling evidence to suggest that

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there once existed

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a collective

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understanding

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regarding the soul's journey to the afterlife via

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the Milky Way.

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This, they proposed, was accessed via 2 sky

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gates corresponding

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to where the elliptic,

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the sun's annual path through the zodiacal constellations,

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crossed this starry stream making the outer rim

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of our own Milky Way galaxy.

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One of these sky gates was located in

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the vicinity of the Scorpius, Sagittarius,

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and Ophiuchus,

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with the other on the opposite side of

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the sky close to the constellations of Gemini,

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Taurus, and Orion,

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and the cluster of 7 stars known as

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the Pleiades.

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Both sky gates became accessible to the land

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of the living

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when they lined up with the local horizon

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at the time of the summer and winter

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solstice.

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And then you go on to talk about

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the alignments of Karahamtepay

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fitting into this model quite nicely, but it's

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that last part I hoped you could elaborate

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on. Both sky gates became accessible to the

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land of the living when they lined up

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with the local horizon at the time of

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the summer and winter solstice.

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I mean, what does that really mean? Because

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that is

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quite bizarre. It seems like a natural cosmic

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timekeeping system that opens

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portals to the sky world that is just

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completely lost today.

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I mean, when we talk in terms of

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alignments

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at ancient sites, you know, we think of

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places like Stonehenge

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that's aligned to the the summer solstice sunrise,

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and at the same time, the winter solstice

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sunset.

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We think of Newgrange, the huge passage grave

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in the Boyne Valley of Ireland, which was

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built about 3,000 BC, the same time as

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Stonehenge. That's aligned to the winter solstice sunrise.

431
00:16:30,370 --> 00:16:32,230
And if you're inside its chamber,

432
00:16:33,009 --> 00:16:35,009
at this time, the sun will come along

433
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this long thin corridor

434
00:16:36,954 --> 00:16:37,695
and hit

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00:16:38,315 --> 00:16:40,654
these carvings at the back of the chamber.

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00:16:40,794 --> 00:16:43,674
An incredible experience and would have had massive

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symbolic value for these people.

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You know, we also think of the moon.

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There are sites that are aligned to the

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maximum

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points in the 18.61

442
00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,059
year cycle of the moon.

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And we also think of stars. You know,

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we know that Orion

445
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was

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00:17:02,199 --> 00:17:03,100
used prominently

447
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in the orientation

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00:17:05,765 --> 00:17:08,805
of ancient sites worldwide, most obviously at Giza,

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although I have my own views on that.

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But

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the key is that these are not done

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simply for the sake of it. I mean,

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firstly,

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00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:20,539
these alignments are done to synchronize,

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00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,859
you know, the day to day living

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or the yearly growth cycle of people on

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earth

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to to synchronize

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their life with the celestial bodies. In other

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words, that they're a part of the sky

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themself, a case of as above, so below.

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You know, that famous old axiom.

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But it's more than that because

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these people believed that there were 3 different

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worlds. When I say these people, I mean,

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this is a universal belief that's found

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amongst Native American peoples, amongst

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Siberian and Mongolian

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shamans. It's in

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Eastern Europe,

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and it would seem to have been at

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places like Gobekli Tepe and Kara Han Tepe.

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And this is the concept that there were

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3 different worlds. There is our world, the

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middle earth.

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There is a lower world,

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which we often refer to as the underworld,

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but there is also the sky world or

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the upper world.

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And all of these are linked via

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some kind of

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means, whether it be a tree,

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like in Norse tradition, you have the uttrosil

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tree, the gray ash tree that links the

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3 worlds.

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It could be something like a sky pole,

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you know, a symbolic pole that would be

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erected

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that shamans would literally climb

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to actually reach the top to believe that

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they were entering into the sky world.

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And the lower world was accessed via things

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like pools of water or springs

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or holes in the ground that would open

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up when trees were knocked down

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during thunderstorms

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and hurricanes and stuff like that. So there

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were these 3 different worlds, but how did

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you get to the sky world? And the

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way that you got to the sky world

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was via something that we don't even think

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about very much today, and that's the Milky

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Way. You know, when we look outside here,

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I mean, I live in an urban environment.

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You know, I can see the stars.

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I can see Orion. I can see Ursa

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Major.

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I can see a few other bright stars

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and obviously the planets

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at night.

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But what I cannot see is the Milky

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Way, and this is the edge of our

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own Milky Way galaxy.

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You know, if you can imagine that we

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live in a galaxy that looks a bit

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like a dinner plate,

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and if we're sort of somewhere towards the

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center of that dinner plate, we're not exactly

519
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at the center. We're actually 26 1,000 light

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00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,559
years away from the center. But if you

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can imagine looking out to the edges of

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that plate,

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that's what the Milky Way is. It's the

524
00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:49,380
thick clusters of stars and galaxies

525
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,680
that are on the very edge of that

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galaxy. And to us, it looks like a

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band, you know, a ring that encircles the

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Earth, or certainly that's the way that it

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looked in the past.

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And there's no way that the ancients would

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have ignored this.

532
00:20:04,994 --> 00:20:05,494
And

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the sun crosses it

534
00:20:08,059 --> 00:20:09,359
two times of the year,

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00:20:09,980 --> 00:20:10,799
as you mentioned,

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in

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the time of Sagittarius

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and Scorpius on one side of the sky,

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and then around 6 months later in the

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area of Taurus, Gemini,

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which brings in the constellations

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of Orion, but also the Pleiades star cluster.

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So they're they're on opposite sides of the

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sky.

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And what happened was that

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when

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the Milky Way synchronized

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00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:38,039
at this time, when the sun crossed it,

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obviously, the the sunrises or sunsets of the

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solstices,

551
00:20:42,659 --> 00:20:44,899
that was the time that you could quite

552
00:20:44,899 --> 00:20:45,399
literally

553
00:20:46,099 --> 00:20:48,839
either walk or make some leap of faith

554
00:20:49,575 --> 00:20:51,654
onto the Milky Way that would then allow

555
00:20:51,654 --> 00:20:55,414
you passage along the Milky Way towards some

556
00:20:55,414 --> 00:20:56,554
central point.

557
00:20:57,255 --> 00:20:58,714
And that central point

558
00:20:59,015 --> 00:21:02,054
was almost always the same, and it was

559
00:21:02,054 --> 00:21:05,069
where the Milky Way actually splits into 2

560
00:21:05,309 --> 00:21:06,049
separate streams.

561
00:21:07,069 --> 00:21:09,169
And that's in the vicinity of a constellation

562
00:21:09,309 --> 00:21:12,130
that we know today as the northern cross

563
00:21:12,429 --> 00:21:13,409
or Cygnus.

564
00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:14,529
Cygnus,

565
00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:16,369
the stars

566
00:21:16,909 --> 00:21:19,329
come together to form a celestial bird.

567
00:21:19,994 --> 00:21:23,115
It's a bird that's almost always associated with

568
00:21:23,115 --> 00:21:23,934
2 things.

569
00:21:24,474 --> 00:21:25,615
The human soul,

570
00:21:26,394 --> 00:21:28,795
it's like the soul as it takes flight

571
00:21:28,795 --> 00:21:29,535
as a bird.

572
00:21:30,394 --> 00:21:32,335
In the Middle East, it was a vulture.

573
00:21:32,634 --> 00:21:34,335
In America, it was the eagle,

574
00:21:35,149 --> 00:21:37,889
the turkey vulture in Europe. And in Siberia,

575
00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:40,049
it was the swan or the goose.

576
00:21:40,909 --> 00:21:42,529
And in other parts of the world,

577
00:21:42,829 --> 00:21:44,990
exotic birds like the bird of paradise, for

578
00:21:44,990 --> 00:21:46,369
instance, in the Pacific.

579
00:21:46,909 --> 00:21:49,785
But they all represented the human soul. But

580
00:21:49,785 --> 00:21:52,105
the other aspect to do with Cygnus was

581
00:21:52,105 --> 00:21:53,565
that it was a bird of creation.

582
00:21:54,025 --> 00:21:55,404
It was seen that creation

583
00:21:55,785 --> 00:21:58,445
began in that area of the sky. Why?

584
00:21:58,825 --> 00:22:00,445
Well, the answer to that

585
00:22:00,825 --> 00:22:03,839
comes from the fact that the stars move

586
00:22:04,059 --> 00:22:04,559
against

587
00:22:04,859 --> 00:22:07,339
the background of the Earth itself over a

588
00:22:07,339 --> 00:22:07,839
cycle,

589
00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:11,099
which that book that you mentioned, Hamlet's Mill,

590
00:22:11,099 --> 00:22:14,319
makes blatantly clear was something that was important

591
00:22:14,380 --> 00:22:15,200
to the ancients,

592
00:22:15,565 --> 00:22:17,565
and the a lot of their lore and

593
00:22:17,565 --> 00:22:20,144
legends to do with the sky built around

594
00:22:20,205 --> 00:22:20,945
the movement

595
00:22:21,325 --> 00:22:23,424
of the stars, the starry background

596
00:22:23,805 --> 00:22:26,205
against the position of the sun. It's a

597
00:22:26,205 --> 00:22:28,224
cycle processional cycle, 26000

598
00:22:28,525 --> 00:22:29,904
years it takes.

599
00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:31,000
And

600
00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:32,600
in the past,

601
00:22:33,299 --> 00:22:35,480
the pole star, which is today

602
00:22:35,940 --> 00:22:39,000
Polaris in the constellation of Ursa Minor,

603
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:40,920
was in other constellations.

604
00:22:41,380 --> 00:22:43,894
It moves around in a circle. And around

605
00:22:44,115 --> 00:22:47,255
17000 years ago, it precisely aligned

606
00:22:47,795 --> 00:22:49,015
not just with Cygnus,

607
00:22:49,715 --> 00:22:50,455
but also

608
00:22:50,914 --> 00:22:53,394
with the Milky Way by virtue of that

609
00:22:53,394 --> 00:22:53,894
because,

610
00:22:54,195 --> 00:22:56,279
obviously, Cygnus is on the Milky Way. So

611
00:22:56,599 --> 00:22:58,220
each night, as you'd have gone outside,

612
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,320
you would have seen the Milky Way turning

613
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:02,059
like some

614
00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:03,019
celestial

615
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:03,820
propeller

616
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:04,700
around

617
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,080
the center point of the sky, and this

618
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,340
must have been something that was incredible

619
00:23:09,884 --> 00:23:10,625
to behold.

620
00:23:11,484 --> 00:23:13,404
It doesn't happen today at all. You know?

621
00:23:13,404 --> 00:23:15,244
In other words, we can't get any idea

622
00:23:15,244 --> 00:23:15,904
of this.

623
00:23:16,845 --> 00:23:18,305
So that center point

624
00:23:18,765 --> 00:23:21,724
of that cosmic propeller, if you like, the

625
00:23:21,724 --> 00:23:24,224
turning point of the heavens was seen

626
00:23:24,539 --> 00:23:27,100
as the place of entry into the sky

627
00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:29,420
world. But you couldn't just go there, you

628
00:23:29,420 --> 00:23:30,640
had to do it via

629
00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:32,960
the Milky Way, and there were two places

630
00:23:33,019 --> 00:23:34,799
in the sky that you could do that.

631
00:23:34,860 --> 00:23:36,720
The area of Sagittarius and Scorpius

632
00:23:37,224 --> 00:23:39,625
and the area of Gemini and Taurus on

633
00:23:39,625 --> 00:23:41,304
the other side of the sky. These were

634
00:23:41,304 --> 00:23:42,444
the leap off points,

635
00:23:42,825 --> 00:23:45,404
and different cultures favored 1 or the other.

636
00:23:45,704 --> 00:23:48,845
What we have at Gobekli Tepe, for instance,

637
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,819
is evidence that they favored

638
00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:53,819
the direction of

639
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,740
Sagittarius and Scorpius.

640
00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:59,000
This is seen in pillar 43 at Gobekli

641
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,700
Tepe. You've got this huge scorpion,

642
00:24:01,399 --> 00:24:02,859
and you've got this guy

643
00:24:03,255 --> 00:24:05,515
sitting on the back of a vulture

644
00:24:05,815 --> 00:24:07,654
being led into the sky world where there's

645
00:24:07,654 --> 00:24:08,795
another big vulture

646
00:24:09,335 --> 00:24:10,555
waiting for him.

647
00:24:11,335 --> 00:24:11,835
But

648
00:24:12,134 --> 00:24:12,634
Karahantepai,

649
00:24:13,494 --> 00:24:15,115
you can see this within alignments.

650
00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:19,309
I mean, almost immediately that I saw an

651
00:24:19,309 --> 00:24:21,869
aerial view of the excavations at Karahant back

652
00:24:21,869 --> 00:24:23,170
at the end of 2021.

653
00:24:24,029 --> 00:24:26,670
I noticed that one of the enclosures, the

654
00:24:26,670 --> 00:24:29,789
3 interconnected enclosures that are all rock cut

655
00:24:29,789 --> 00:24:30,884
cut out of the actual

656
00:24:31,845 --> 00:24:32,345
bedrock

657
00:24:32,724 --> 00:24:33,785
actually aligns

658
00:24:34,325 --> 00:24:35,384
towards sunset

659
00:24:36,005 --> 00:24:37,704
at the time of the summer solstice.

660
00:24:38,964 --> 00:24:41,445
Now that's amazing in itself and possibly would

661
00:24:41,445 --> 00:24:44,005
have been arguably one of the oldest alignments

662
00:24:44,005 --> 00:24:45,865
towards the sun anywhere in the world.

663
00:24:46,339 --> 00:24:48,680
But if you remained in that position,

664
00:24:49,299 --> 00:24:51,380
looking in the same direction that the sun

665
00:24:51,380 --> 00:24:52,440
has just set,

666
00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:55,539
2 hours later, when it gets dark, you

667
00:24:55,539 --> 00:24:58,180
would have beheld a wonderful sight. And that

668
00:24:58,180 --> 00:24:59,799
would have been the Milky Way

669
00:25:00,134 --> 00:25:02,234
rising vertically up in the sky

670
00:25:02,615 --> 00:25:04,234
with the 2 streams

671
00:25:05,015 --> 00:25:06,455
right in front of you, in the middle

672
00:25:06,455 --> 00:25:08,214
of which is what's known as the Cygnus

673
00:25:08,214 --> 00:25:09,434
or the dark rift.

674
00:25:09,974 --> 00:25:10,474
And

675
00:25:10,855 --> 00:25:13,330
the stars of Scorpius would have just set.

676
00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:15,410
Those of Sagittarius would have been right in

677
00:25:15,410 --> 00:25:15,910
view,

678
00:25:16,529 --> 00:25:18,130
and you would have been able to make

679
00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:19,350
that leap of faith

680
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:21,350
to the Milky Way and climb

681
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:25,170
up the Cygnus rift to the stars of

682
00:25:25,170 --> 00:25:27,670
Cygnus and enter into the sky world.

683
00:25:28,325 --> 00:25:30,724
So this is obviously planned. This is not

684
00:25:30,724 --> 00:25:31,865
something that's coincidence

685
00:25:32,724 --> 00:25:35,144
and forms part of what was quite clearly

686
00:25:35,525 --> 00:25:37,384
some kind of sky religion

687
00:25:38,005 --> 00:25:40,805
that these people adhere to as much as

688
00:25:40,805 --> 00:25:42,664
10 to 12000 years ago.

689
00:25:43,690 --> 00:25:46,410
So this is something that we eventually will

690
00:25:46,410 --> 00:25:49,289
find all over the world with monuments that

691
00:25:49,289 --> 00:25:52,029
are built after this time, but you're dealing

692
00:25:52,090 --> 00:25:53,309
with a universal

693
00:25:54,650 --> 00:25:55,150
idea

694
00:25:55,785 --> 00:25:58,265
of entering the sky world that's in every

695
00:25:58,265 --> 00:26:00,664
continent, I would say. I mean, clearly, if

696
00:26:00,664 --> 00:26:03,144
you go south of the equator, things start

697
00:26:03,144 --> 00:26:05,965
changing because everybody's focusing on the southern

698
00:26:06,345 --> 00:26:09,450
stars and, obviously, the southern celestial pole. But

699
00:26:09,450 --> 00:26:11,309
in the northern hemisphere,

700
00:26:11,849 --> 00:26:14,509
this was the basic cosmological

701
00:26:15,130 --> 00:26:17,690
principle that all of these ancient cultures would

702
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:18,750
have adhered to.

703
00:26:19,450 --> 00:26:21,149
Yeah. Wow. What a summary.

704
00:26:21,674 --> 00:26:24,154
It sounds way more powerful than putting the

705
00:26:24,154 --> 00:26:25,995
stars up on a digital screen in a

706
00:26:25,995 --> 00:26:28,555
planetarium like we do today and get impressed

707
00:26:28,555 --> 00:26:30,654
by that. But, man, yes,

708
00:26:30,955 --> 00:26:34,715
birds are big symbols as are snakes. And

709
00:26:34,715 --> 00:26:36,575
when you talk about the bean

710
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:38,880
that it seems like they might have been

711
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,740
in communication with at Karahantepe,

712
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,200
you used the term snake genius several times

713
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,659
and I love that term.

714
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:50,579
And snakes are also, like, so core to

715
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:51,700
symbolism

716
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:52,500
and

717
00:26:53,095 --> 00:26:55,495
shamanic and religious traditions from the Garden of

718
00:26:55,495 --> 00:26:57,894
Eden and the Ayahuasca ritual to even things

719
00:26:57,894 --> 00:26:59,355
like the Kundalini experience.

720
00:27:00,055 --> 00:27:02,215
This is a major theme when we bring

721
00:27:02,215 --> 00:27:03,195
in esoteric

722
00:27:03,654 --> 00:27:04,795
energies, and

723
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,859
you've talked about how Karahenthepe

724
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,660
there's images in the book. The whole site,

725
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:10,539
the

726
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,680
shrine pillar or the pillar shrine is kind

727
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,920
of looks like a snake head when you

728
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,099
get that bird's eye view, and then there's

729
00:27:19,454 --> 00:27:21,855
a little chasm that looks like a snake

730
00:27:21,855 --> 00:27:25,214
body. It's pretty impressive, but there's also a

731
00:27:25,214 --> 00:27:28,275
giant stone human head in the pillar shrine.

732
00:27:28,335 --> 00:27:29,855
And I just wanted to quote the book

733
00:27:29,855 --> 00:27:32,335
here. You write, the giant stone head emerging

734
00:27:32,335 --> 00:27:34,009
from the west wall of Karahantepe's

735
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:35,369
pillar shrine

736
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:38,710
is, I suspect, a physical representation of the

737
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:41,130
Milky Way Serpent's active spirit.

738
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:43,910
If this is correct, then the stone head

739
00:27:43,910 --> 00:27:46,470
would presumably have been a focal point for

740
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:49,694
anyone wishing to communicate with this perceived intelligence

741
00:27:50,154 --> 00:27:52,394
in the form of either a snake genius

742
00:27:52,394 --> 00:27:54,174
or of an anthropomorphic

743
00:27:54,474 --> 00:27:56,414
being with serpentine qualities.

744
00:27:56,794 --> 00:27:57,934
A direct historical

745
00:27:58,234 --> 00:27:58,734
comparison

746
00:27:59,619 --> 00:28:01,960
with what might have been happening at Karahentepi

747
00:28:02,419 --> 00:28:03,720
is, I believe, the

748
00:28:04,019 --> 00:28:05,159
oracular communications

749
00:28:05,619 --> 00:28:08,839
recorded as having taken place in pre classical

750
00:28:08,899 --> 00:28:11,319
and classical times at Delphi in Greece.

751
00:28:11,804 --> 00:28:13,984
Very interesting. Obviously, that's an example

752
00:28:14,444 --> 00:28:16,764
everyone knows, so there's a good analogy there

753
00:28:16,764 --> 00:28:19,184
that there is a strong history of

754
00:28:19,484 --> 00:28:22,365
having a ritual space where you commune with

755
00:28:22,365 --> 00:28:24,065
an intelligence that's nonhuman

756
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,380
reliably,

757
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:26,819
seemingly

758
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,299
the same one over and over again.

759
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:30,179
But

760
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,000
talk to us about this. I mean, I

761
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,839
just laid a lot out there. I summarized

762
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:36,319
a huge chunk of the book, but this

763
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:37,220
snake genius.

764
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,059
Well, I suppose

765
00:28:39,924 --> 00:28:40,505
you have

766
00:28:41,045 --> 00:28:43,125
to look at Karahantapa and say what was

767
00:28:43,125 --> 00:28:44,184
going on here,

768
00:28:44,565 --> 00:28:45,065
9000

769
00:28:45,445 --> 00:28:46,505
BC, 11000

770
00:28:46,805 --> 00:28:47,464
years ago.

771
00:28:47,924 --> 00:28:49,625
And the first clear indication

772
00:28:50,565 --> 00:28:52,585
is that there are snakes everywhere.

773
00:28:53,369 --> 00:28:56,329
There are carved snakes. There are incised snakes.

774
00:28:56,329 --> 00:28:56,829
There's

775
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:57,789
carved

776
00:28:58,410 --> 00:29:00,509
rats going into the ground that are serpentine

777
00:29:00,650 --> 00:29:01,309
in nature.

778
00:29:01,849 --> 00:29:03,769
There is the huge stone head that you've

779
00:29:03,769 --> 00:29:05,150
talked about, which is

780
00:29:05,565 --> 00:29:08,764
like something out of Beetlejuice, basically, coming out

781
00:29:08,764 --> 00:29:10,524
of the wall of the pillar shrine. I

782
00:29:10,524 --> 00:29:12,284
mean, you know, like a a snake body

783
00:29:12,284 --> 00:29:14,524
with a human head, a giant human head,

784
00:29:14,524 --> 00:29:16,845
3 times the size of a normal human

785
00:29:16,845 --> 00:29:17,345
head.

786
00:29:18,309 --> 00:29:20,390
And, yeah, you have to say to yourself,

787
00:29:20,390 --> 00:29:22,070
what are these people trying to do here?

788
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:23,529
What are they trying to achieve?

789
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:24,570
Well,

790
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:27,190
if you look at the pillar shrine itself

791
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:30,250
as you pointed out, it's actually the shape

792
00:29:30,694 --> 00:29:31,835
of the head

793
00:29:32,134 --> 00:29:32,634
of

794
00:29:32,934 --> 00:29:34,075
an actual snake.

795
00:29:34,615 --> 00:29:35,974
And the only way that you would have

796
00:29:35,974 --> 00:29:37,894
been able to get into that pillar shrine

797
00:29:37,894 --> 00:29:39,414
in the past, because we think it probably

798
00:29:39,414 --> 00:29:40,394
had a roof,

799
00:29:40,855 --> 00:29:42,954
is through this tiny little pothole

800
00:29:43,414 --> 00:29:45,095
right at the front of the mouth, if

801
00:29:45,095 --> 00:29:45,755
you like.

802
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,279
So the shaman would have come from the

803
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:49,899
big elliptical enclosure

804
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:51,579
that you find there

805
00:29:52,919 --> 00:29:55,480
and literally crawled their way through this little

806
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,059
hole going inside the pillar shrine.

807
00:29:59,275 --> 00:30:01,695
And there you have these 10

808
00:30:02,394 --> 00:30:04,394
standing pillars that have been cut out of

809
00:30:04,394 --> 00:30:05,855
the bedrock itself,

810
00:30:06,474 --> 00:30:07,535
which is an incredible

811
00:30:07,835 --> 00:30:10,734
feat. I mean, to even attempt this,

812
00:30:11,130 --> 00:30:13,130
there is an 11th pillar as well that

813
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:15,690
looks like a raised serpent that comes out

814
00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:17,769
of the ground that, you know, it looks

815
00:30:17,769 --> 00:30:20,250
like the full tongue of the actual snake

816
00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:20,750
itself.

817
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:23,450
So you're inside the head of a snake

818
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:25,674
now. You know, why would you do this?

819
00:30:25,674 --> 00:30:27,134
Why would you put yourself

820
00:30:27,755 --> 00:30:29,595
in the head of a snake? I mean,

821
00:30:29,595 --> 00:30:30,974
under any normal circumstances,

822
00:30:31,434 --> 00:30:33,274
this is madness and would only lead to

823
00:30:33,274 --> 00:30:34,014
bad things.

824
00:30:34,554 --> 00:30:36,315
But I think what they were trying to

825
00:30:36,315 --> 00:30:37,134
do is

826
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,019
exactly this. They were trying to be eaten

827
00:30:40,639 --> 00:30:43,759
by this snake on a symbolic level or

828
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:47,059
certainly on a shamanic or astral level.

829
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,059
What I mean by this is that

830
00:30:49,615 --> 00:30:52,434
if you're being consumed by this snake

831
00:30:52,734 --> 00:30:54,194
and quite literally passing

832
00:30:54,974 --> 00:30:57,855
into its body, into its DNA, if you

833
00:30:57,855 --> 00:30:58,355
like,

834
00:30:58,815 --> 00:31:01,634
then that brings you at one with it.

835
00:31:01,890 --> 00:31:02,390
So

836
00:31:02,690 --> 00:31:03,190
what

837
00:31:03,890 --> 00:31:05,809
kind of snake genius are we talking about

838
00:31:05,809 --> 00:31:07,089
here? And by the way, the the term

839
00:31:07,089 --> 00:31:09,890
snake genius essentially means a spirit in the

840
00:31:09,890 --> 00:31:11,890
form of a snake. In other words, a

841
00:31:11,890 --> 00:31:14,355
snake that can quite literally talk to you,

842
00:31:14,595 --> 00:31:16,434
most obviously with a human head so that

843
00:31:16,434 --> 00:31:18,515
it can actually talk in in a sort

844
00:31:18,515 --> 00:31:21,234
of a human language. Because I'm sure in

845
00:31:21,234 --> 00:31:21,894
the past,

846
00:31:22,275 --> 00:31:22,775
people

847
00:31:23,315 --> 00:31:25,554
thought that snakes, you know, just hissed. So

848
00:31:25,554 --> 00:31:27,075
if they had a human head, then they

849
00:31:27,075 --> 00:31:28,294
could talk to us directly.

850
00:31:28,914 --> 00:31:29,414
But

851
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:32,680
can we identify this state that they were

852
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,779
interested in, this state genius? Well,

853
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,680
I thought about this long enough, and I

854
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,980
realized that it was connected

855
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:39,900
with this area of the sky

856
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,400
around the area of Sagittarius and Scorpius and

857
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:43,900
Ophiuchus.

858
00:31:44,625 --> 00:31:45,924
And what was clear

859
00:31:46,464 --> 00:31:49,765
is that this area was steeped in

860
00:31:50,305 --> 00:31:52,005
Skylar to do with snakes.

861
00:31:52,625 --> 00:31:54,865
Ophiuchus, which is often known as the 13th

862
00:31:54,865 --> 00:31:55,924
sign of the zodiac,

863
00:31:56,305 --> 00:31:58,644
holds a snake known as Sapiens,

864
00:31:59,230 --> 00:32:01,149
and this is formed out of stars that

865
00:32:01,149 --> 00:32:03,490
run through this particular constellation,

866
00:32:04,349 --> 00:32:05,409
Scorpius itself.

867
00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:08,929
Although we know as a scorpion, generally,

868
00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:12,609
many ancient cultures saw it as a snake,

869
00:32:13,335 --> 00:32:16,315
including in Native America, for instance. I mean,

870
00:32:16,694 --> 00:32:19,595
the serpent mound in Adams County, Ohio.

871
00:32:20,134 --> 00:32:21,275
That's been identified

872
00:32:21,815 --> 00:32:24,794
as a form of Scorpio, for instance, because

873
00:32:25,095 --> 00:32:26,714
at the time of the summer solstice,

874
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,700
when the head of that snake was aligned

875
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,859
to the sun as it set,

876
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,619
that same night, Scorpio would have been prominent

877
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,579
in the sky

878
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,460
directly south, and it's been proposed

879
00:32:40,335 --> 00:32:42,654
that the earth mound itself, this effigy mound,

880
00:32:42,654 --> 00:32:43,474
is a representation

881
00:32:43,775 --> 00:32:44,275
of

882
00:32:44,654 --> 00:32:47,054
Scorpius in its role as a snake. But

883
00:32:47,054 --> 00:32:48,994
in many other countries as well,

884
00:32:49,694 --> 00:32:51,615
this area of the sky is associated with

885
00:32:51,615 --> 00:32:52,994
the snake, you know, the Scorpius.

886
00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:55,730
I realized that, but then I realized something

887
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:56,789
much more obvious,

888
00:32:57,250 --> 00:32:59,829
and that is that the Milky Way itself

889
00:32:59,970 --> 00:33:01,349
was seen as the snake.

890
00:33:01,730 --> 00:33:03,829
And once I started looking that up,

891
00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:06,390
cultures from India to Mesopotamia

892
00:33:06,769 --> 00:33:08,630
to North America to Mexico

893
00:33:09,434 --> 00:33:10,654
to South America,

894
00:33:11,194 --> 00:33:12,954
and in other parts of the world, even

895
00:33:12,954 --> 00:33:13,694
in Greece.

896
00:33:14,315 --> 00:33:17,054
The Milky Way was seen as a huge

897
00:33:17,274 --> 00:33:17,774
cosmic

898
00:33:18,075 --> 00:33:18,575
serpent.

899
00:33:19,994 --> 00:33:22,734
It was known as the world encircling

900
00:33:23,549 --> 00:33:26,289
snake or the world encircling. The ouroboros symbol.

901
00:33:26,590 --> 00:33:27,250
The ouroboros

902
00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:30,210
in Egyptian or Greco Egyptian tradition.

903
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:32,690
And if you look into north mythology,

904
00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:36,049
it is what's known as the Midgard Serpent.

905
00:33:36,955 --> 00:33:39,615
And this fall part of this whole tradition

906
00:33:40,154 --> 00:33:41,835
to do with the 3 worlds, the upper

907
00:33:41,835 --> 00:33:43,934
world, the middle world, and the lower world.

908
00:33:44,475 --> 00:33:46,555
If you look online and put Yutrisil, you

909
00:33:46,555 --> 00:33:47,775
know, the world tree

910
00:33:48,075 --> 00:33:49,134
of Norse mythology,

911
00:33:49,609 --> 00:33:51,930
you'll see a really great image that comes

912
00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:54,170
up that shows the tree. It shows the

913
00:33:54,170 --> 00:33:56,009
middle earth. It shows the sky world in

914
00:33:56,009 --> 00:33:58,410
the upper branches of the tree. It shows

915
00:33:58,410 --> 00:34:00,830
the lower world going down into the roots.

916
00:34:01,369 --> 00:34:03,789
And surrounding it all, you have the Midgard

917
00:34:03,849 --> 00:34:04,349
Serpent,

918
00:34:04,755 --> 00:34:07,154
and you have an ocean beyond that. Now

919
00:34:07,154 --> 00:34:09,335
this is not the terrestrial ocean.

920
00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:11,414
This is what's known as the cosmic

921
00:34:11,795 --> 00:34:12,295
ocean.

922
00:34:12,594 --> 00:34:15,255
The cosmic ocean was thought to exist

923
00:34:16,114 --> 00:34:16,614
before

924
00:34:17,315 --> 00:34:18,295
the physical

925
00:34:18,755 --> 00:34:20,375
universe came into being.

926
00:34:20,730 --> 00:34:23,369
And in some strange way, this is a

927
00:34:23,369 --> 00:34:23,869
intuitive

928
00:34:25,050 --> 00:34:25,550
idea

929
00:34:26,010 --> 00:34:28,170
of what we would call the big bang,

930
00:34:28,170 --> 00:34:28,670
really.

931
00:34:29,130 --> 00:34:30,429
Because certain theories

932
00:34:30,809 --> 00:34:33,469
within that suggest that prior

933
00:34:33,894 --> 00:34:36,055
to the coming into being of our physical

934
00:34:36,055 --> 00:34:36,555
universe,

935
00:34:36,934 --> 00:34:37,755
there existed

936
00:34:38,375 --> 00:34:39,275
this state

937
00:34:39,575 --> 00:34:41,994
known as the bulk, which is 11 dimensional

938
00:34:42,454 --> 00:34:43,195
in nature.

939
00:34:43,655 --> 00:34:44,795
And that manifesting

940
00:34:45,095 --> 00:34:47,434
into this 11 dimensional realm

941
00:34:48,110 --> 00:34:51,390
was something that in string theory, they referred

942
00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:53,550
to as as a brane, you know, b

943
00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:54,610
r a n e.

944
00:34:54,989 --> 00:34:55,890
And that this

945
00:34:56,429 --> 00:34:58,289
inflates like a balloon

946
00:34:58,910 --> 00:34:59,730
or a bubble.

947
00:35:00,454 --> 00:35:03,494
And into this, our physical universe came into

948
00:35:03,494 --> 00:35:05,494
being, and it has its own laws of

949
00:35:05,494 --> 00:35:08,614
physics, which are 3 dimensions of space and

950
00:35:08,614 --> 00:35:09,594
one of time.

951
00:35:10,054 --> 00:35:12,235
But within it, somehow, compactified

952
00:35:12,695 --> 00:35:15,034
are all those higher dimensions as well.

953
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,219
But the

954
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,320
other universes can exist, and this is, in

955
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,019
many ways, exactly what

956
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,619
many ancient cosmologists

957
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,559
talk about. That this cosmic ocean, which was

958
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:26,699
known as the primordial

959
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:27,579
chaos

960
00:35:28,065 --> 00:35:28,804
or the primordial

961
00:35:29,184 --> 00:35:30,164
void, existed

962
00:35:30,704 --> 00:35:32,945
prior to the coming into being of the

963
00:35:32,945 --> 00:35:34,005
physical universe.

964
00:35:34,945 --> 00:35:37,364
And it's often said that the being

965
00:35:37,905 --> 00:35:41,125
responsible for this took the form of a

966
00:35:41,184 --> 00:35:43,445
snake or serpent, which became

967
00:35:43,769 --> 00:35:44,750
a world encircling

968
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:45,949
serpent. And

969
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:49,070
if you look up the gnostic snake egg,

970
00:35:49,369 --> 00:35:50,969
you know, you'll see this beautiful image of

971
00:35:50,969 --> 00:35:53,869
an egg with a serpent called around it.

972
00:35:53,929 --> 00:35:55,469
That egg is our universe

973
00:35:55,929 --> 00:35:56,829
before that

974
00:35:57,454 --> 00:35:58,594
egg breaks open

975
00:35:58,894 --> 00:36:01,375
and forms the vault of heaven, but also

976
00:36:01,375 --> 00:36:03,074
the earth itself and also

977
00:36:03,375 --> 00:36:04,434
the lower world.

978
00:36:04,974 --> 00:36:07,135
Again, these are ideas which although you might

979
00:36:07,135 --> 00:36:09,054
say, well, you know, surely they're 1000 of

980
00:36:09,054 --> 00:36:12,369
years after the time of Karahantapai, and they

981
00:36:12,369 --> 00:36:14,710
are. Of course, they are. But they're universal,

982
00:36:15,329 --> 00:36:17,890
which means that you're looking at something that

983
00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:19,190
probably has an origin

984
00:36:19,650 --> 00:36:20,150
going

985
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:21,190
back

986
00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:23,410
into the last ice site. So in other

987
00:36:23,410 --> 00:36:23,910
words,

988
00:36:24,505 --> 00:36:26,905
more than 12000 years old, and that would

989
00:36:26,905 --> 00:36:29,545
probably have been universal, not only across the

990
00:36:29,545 --> 00:36:30,045
Eurasian

991
00:36:30,744 --> 00:36:33,385
continent in the past, but also through into

992
00:36:33,385 --> 00:36:34,925
the Americas, which remember

993
00:36:35,304 --> 00:36:36,045
was linked

994
00:36:36,699 --> 00:36:37,199
with

995
00:36:37,579 --> 00:36:40,400
the Eurasian continent via the Beringia

996
00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:41,920
land bridge.

997
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,780
And this was closed up only about 9

998
00:36:44,780 --> 00:36:46,699
to 10000 BC. So there would have been

999
00:36:46,699 --> 00:36:47,840
a flow of peoples,

1000
00:36:48,380 --> 00:36:50,619
you know, going probably from Europe all the

1001
00:36:50,619 --> 00:36:51,360
way across

1002
00:36:51,795 --> 00:36:53,815
into Russia, Siberia, obviously,

1003
00:36:54,114 --> 00:36:56,694
across into Alaska, into the Americas.

1004
00:36:57,554 --> 00:36:59,574
Yeah. This is obviously the standard model

1005
00:36:59,875 --> 00:37:01,655
of the population of the Americas.

1006
00:37:02,034 --> 00:37:04,214
But, of course, with this would have come

1007
00:37:04,355 --> 00:37:06,375
all of these traditions that preexisted.

1008
00:37:07,059 --> 00:37:08,819
Yeah. You can find so many links, for

1009
00:37:08,819 --> 00:37:09,319
instance,

1010
00:37:09,699 --> 00:37:10,679
between the shamanism

1011
00:37:11,219 --> 00:37:12,359
of Siberia

1012
00:37:12,739 --> 00:37:15,460
and Mongolia, for instance, and that of North

1013
00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:18,099
America. I mean, they are almost exactly the

1014
00:37:18,099 --> 00:37:18,599
same,

1015
00:37:19,105 --> 00:37:21,425
and this is something that would have been

1016
00:37:21,425 --> 00:37:21,925
shared

1017
00:37:22,385 --> 00:37:23,445
at least 12000

1018
00:37:23,744 --> 00:37:26,164
years ago, maybe even as much as 40000

1019
00:37:26,385 --> 00:37:27,045
years ago.

1020
00:37:28,704 --> 00:37:29,204
Man,

1021
00:37:29,505 --> 00:37:31,105
it does go deep. And, you know, the

1022
00:37:31,105 --> 00:37:34,099
occultists also have a very similar model for

1023
00:37:34,099 --> 00:37:35,079
their cosmology

1024
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:38,360
with the dot and the circle that consciousness

1025
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:40,900
was at one point, and then it pushed

1026
00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:43,059
itself out in a big bang kind of

1027
00:37:43,059 --> 00:37:44,500
way, but it's just kinda more of an

1028
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:45,000
animist

1029
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:47,994
viewpoint of the same sort of model. This

1030
00:37:47,994 --> 00:37:49,775
expanding from a single point

1031
00:37:50,074 --> 00:37:50,894
came everything.

1032
00:37:51,355 --> 00:37:53,755
And I wanted to jump over to the

1033
00:37:53,755 --> 00:37:54,888
mystery of the alabaster bowl because to make

1034
00:37:54,888 --> 00:37:55,855
the case that this kind of ritual activity

1035
00:37:57,034 --> 00:37:57,534
and

1036
00:37:59,579 --> 00:38:02,160
activity and ritual activity is happening at Karahantep'e

1037
00:38:02,940 --> 00:38:05,260
is strengthened by just pointing out that it

1038
00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:05,760
happened

1039
00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:07,980
all over the place and in many different

1040
00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:08,480
places.

1041
00:38:09,019 --> 00:38:11,099
And you write here that there are very

1042
00:38:11,099 --> 00:38:13,760
few artifacts directly related to the

1043
00:38:14,105 --> 00:38:15,085
Ophite Gnostics,

1044
00:38:15,385 --> 00:38:17,005
and we know very little

1045
00:38:17,385 --> 00:38:18,444
about what these

1046
00:38:18,905 --> 00:38:21,545
heretic Christians did in their mystical rites and

1047
00:38:21,545 --> 00:38:23,565
shamanic rituals. But this bowl

1048
00:38:23,944 --> 00:38:25,704
that is believed to be a relic of

1049
00:38:25,704 --> 00:38:28,050
their mystery schools might tell us a little

1050
00:38:28,050 --> 00:38:31,030
bit. It is a round bowl with 16

1051
00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:32,309
naked people

1052
00:38:32,769 --> 00:38:35,489
sitting in a circle with their feet towards

1053
00:38:35,489 --> 00:38:37,730
the center, and in the center, like a

1054
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:40,469
bull's eye, is a very strange winged

1055
00:38:40,905 --> 00:38:43,085
serpent creature. I mean, we talked about birds.

1056
00:38:43,144 --> 00:38:45,385
We talked about snakes. Sometimes those symbols are

1057
00:38:45,385 --> 00:38:47,144
combined, and then we have the dragon lore

1058
00:38:47,144 --> 00:38:49,224
all over the place. But, yes, a winged

1059
00:38:49,224 --> 00:38:50,204
serpent creature

1060
00:38:50,664 --> 00:38:53,224
that seems to be in a ball of

1061
00:38:53,224 --> 00:38:56,309
light with rays coming out and touching each

1062
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:57,769
person's feet.

1063
00:38:58,150 --> 00:39:00,329
If I was trying to illustrate

1064
00:39:00,869 --> 00:39:01,690
a group

1065
00:39:02,070 --> 00:39:02,570
communication

1066
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:05,430
ritual with a winged serpent being of light,

1067
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:07,030
I don't think I could do a better

1068
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:09,210
job than what is depicted

1069
00:39:10,005 --> 00:39:11,144
on this bowl.

1070
00:39:11,684 --> 00:39:13,444
Talk to us about this relic and what

1071
00:39:13,444 --> 00:39:15,924
it means to you because it kinda suggests

1072
00:39:15,924 --> 00:39:17,924
that there's this point where, you know, you're

1073
00:39:17,924 --> 00:39:20,184
making a big site like Karatepe,

1074
00:39:20,484 --> 00:39:22,005
people are gonna know about it. And it

1075
00:39:22,005 --> 00:39:24,710
seems like maybe this kind of ritualization and

1076
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:27,849
communication was democratized or more widespread.

1077
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:30,710
And then, of course, authorities want to suppress

1078
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:32,789
such a thing, it seems, like, at some

1079
00:39:32,789 --> 00:39:34,949
point, and then it goes into the mystery

1080
00:39:34,949 --> 00:39:36,569
schools and it's more underground.

1081
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:38,889
And this relic seems to be

1082
00:39:39,255 --> 00:39:39,994
kind of,

1083
00:39:41,335 --> 00:39:44,375
evidence of this maybe turning point of, at

1084
00:39:44,375 --> 00:39:46,714
least this next chapter where it is more

1085
00:39:46,775 --> 00:39:48,954
a suppressed thing, but we have this one

1086
00:39:49,014 --> 00:39:50,714
mysterious bowl from the gnostics.

1087
00:39:51,734 --> 00:39:52,234
Yeah.

1088
00:39:52,610 --> 00:39:55,030
I'm gonna have to go back to Karahan

1089
00:39:55,090 --> 00:39:57,030
to explain why that this is so important.

1090
00:39:57,809 --> 00:39:58,309
Because

1091
00:39:58,929 --> 00:40:02,050
the question is, this Milky Way serpent, did

1092
00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:04,449
it really exist? Was it an intelligence in

1093
00:40:04,449 --> 00:40:06,224
its own right? Well,

1094
00:40:06,764 --> 00:40:08,144
the area of its head

1095
00:40:08,605 --> 00:40:11,105
corresponded with something that we know as galactic

1096
00:40:11,724 --> 00:40:13,744
center or the galactic bulge.

1097
00:40:14,045 --> 00:40:16,605
This is in the area of Scorpius and

1098
00:40:16,605 --> 00:40:17,105
Sagittarius.

1099
00:40:18,059 --> 00:40:21,019
And in the past, this would have looked

1100
00:40:21,019 --> 00:40:22,000
like some kind

1101
00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:24,559
of celestial light bulb in the sky.

1102
00:40:25,660 --> 00:40:28,559
And because right through the center of it

1103
00:40:28,699 --> 00:40:31,039
is the Cygnus rift or the dark rift,

1104
00:40:31,505 --> 00:40:34,405
It looks like it's an open mouth creature,

1105
00:40:35,025 --> 00:40:37,605
and very often this creature was associated

1106
00:40:37,985 --> 00:40:39,364
with the head of a snake

1107
00:40:39,744 --> 00:40:40,644
or serpent.

1108
00:40:41,184 --> 00:40:43,585
I mean, it can be identified as other

1109
00:40:43,585 --> 00:40:46,224
animals as well, but mostly it was as

1110
00:40:46,224 --> 00:40:46,804
a snake.

1111
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:48,519
So the head

1112
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:51,960
of the Milky Way Serpent was the galactic

1113
00:40:52,099 --> 00:40:55,159
bulge. This corresponds with galactic center.

1114
00:40:55,539 --> 00:40:57,699
What we know about galactic center, the center

1115
00:40:57,699 --> 00:40:59,859
of our own Milky Way galaxy, is that

1116
00:40:59,859 --> 00:41:00,840
there is a huge

1117
00:41:01,255 --> 00:41:01,755
supermassive

1118
00:41:02,215 --> 00:41:03,594
black hole there

1119
00:41:03,974 --> 00:41:04,795
known as

1120
00:41:05,255 --> 00:41:05,755
Sagittarius

1121
00:41:06,215 --> 00:41:08,234
a star in astronomical

1122
00:41:08,934 --> 00:41:09,434
circles.

1123
00:41:10,454 --> 00:41:12,155
And there have been proposals,

1124
00:41:12,934 --> 00:41:13,675
most notably

1125
00:41:13,974 --> 00:41:16,690
by the great free thinker of our times,

1126
00:41:16,690 --> 00:41:17,590
Rupert Sheldrake,

1127
00:41:18,289 --> 00:41:20,950
that this supermassive black hole

1128
00:41:21,489 --> 00:41:24,289
could be an intelligent being in its own

1129
00:41:24,289 --> 00:41:26,550
right, that it has its own consciousness.

1130
00:41:27,184 --> 00:41:28,885
And this forms into the

1131
00:41:29,264 --> 00:41:30,804
idea known as panpsychism,

1132
00:41:31,505 --> 00:41:33,764
and that is the everything has consciousness.

1133
00:41:34,304 --> 00:41:36,085
You know, every tree, every

1134
00:41:36,465 --> 00:41:39,844
rock, every place in the landscape, every well,

1135
00:41:40,224 --> 00:41:41,204
every hill,

1136
00:41:41,530 --> 00:41:43,130
But as well as the sun, the moon,

1137
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:44,510
you know, stars,

1138
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:48,250
neutron stars, they've all got consciousness in some

1139
00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:51,230
way, shape, or another. We just haven't recognized

1140
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:53,309
that until now.

1141
00:41:54,505 --> 00:41:56,744
So it could well be that the center

1142
00:41:56,744 --> 00:41:58,764
of our galaxy is a intelligence

1143
00:41:59,625 --> 00:42:02,025
that is almost like a localized form of

1144
00:42:02,025 --> 00:42:04,284
god, if you like. Okay? I mean,

1145
00:42:04,585 --> 00:42:05,789
let's call it that.

1146
00:42:06,269 --> 00:42:08,829
So bearing that in mind, is it possible

1147
00:42:08,829 --> 00:42:10,130
that the people of Karahantapai

1148
00:42:10,989 --> 00:42:12,130
were intuitively

1149
00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:13,010
aware

1150
00:42:13,309 --> 00:42:13,809
that

1151
00:42:14,190 --> 00:42:16,369
their own particular higher intelligence

1152
00:42:16,989 --> 00:42:20,190
was connected with the head of the Milky

1153
00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:20,929
Way Serpent

1154
00:42:21,554 --> 00:42:24,675
and, thus, the direction of galactic center? I

1155
00:42:24,675 --> 00:42:27,014
think the answer is definitely yes.

1156
00:42:27,635 --> 00:42:30,594
So coming forward in time, what happened to

1157
00:42:30,594 --> 00:42:32,775
the knowledge of the people of Karahantabay?

1158
00:42:34,289 --> 00:42:37,030
Well, it seems to have filtered down

1159
00:42:37,489 --> 00:42:38,469
through certain

1160
00:42:39,250 --> 00:42:39,750
huge

1161
00:42:40,530 --> 00:42:43,269
ritual centers in the area of

1162
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:44,950
Karahant and Gobekli.

1163
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:48,050
One of those is the ancient city of

1164
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:48,550
Haran,

1165
00:42:49,244 --> 00:42:51,005
and this is in the center of this

1166
00:42:51,005 --> 00:42:51,505
huge

1167
00:42:51,885 --> 00:42:52,385
plain.

1168
00:42:53,405 --> 00:42:55,585
And this was the clearing house

1169
00:42:56,445 --> 00:42:57,265
through until

1170
00:42:57,565 --> 00:42:58,065
probably

1171
00:42:58,525 --> 00:42:59,664
the middle ages

1172
00:43:00,045 --> 00:43:01,105
of incredible

1173
00:43:01,565 --> 00:43:02,704
knowledge and wisdom

1174
00:43:03,219 --> 00:43:04,199
that would eventually

1175
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:08,099
come to find its way into everything from

1176
00:43:08,099 --> 00:43:08,599
Hermetica

1177
00:43:09,219 --> 00:43:09,719
to

1178
00:43:10,180 --> 00:43:10,680
gnosticism

1179
00:43:11,699 --> 00:43:15,699
and various mystery schools, including the tarot, interestingly

1180
00:43:15,699 --> 00:43:16,199
enough.

1181
00:43:17,184 --> 00:43:17,684
And

1182
00:43:17,984 --> 00:43:19,364
the knowledge there,

1183
00:43:19,984 --> 00:43:21,824
I think, goes all the way back to

1184
00:43:21,824 --> 00:43:22,324
Karahantapai.

1185
00:43:22,625 --> 00:43:24,324
I mean, to start off with Haran,

1186
00:43:24,625 --> 00:43:27,125
the oldest occupational mound on the site,

1187
00:43:27,505 --> 00:43:29,924
goes back to about 8,000 BC.

1188
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:32,059
So we know that it was occupied

1189
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:35,420
right at the tail end of the occupation

1190
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:36,539
of Karahantepay

1191
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,559
and Gobekli Tepe, which was around that day,

1192
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:41,019
around 8,000 BC.

1193
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,680
And it's my belief that people were carrying

1194
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,414
forward ideas at Haran and also at the

1195
00:43:47,414 --> 00:43:49,275
nearby city of Ulfa,

1196
00:43:49,735 --> 00:43:51,595
which is modern day Schallerfa,

1197
00:43:52,215 --> 00:43:54,454
which we'll come on to separately. These are

1198
00:43:54,454 --> 00:43:56,775
known as the cities of the Chaldeans. The

1199
00:43:56,775 --> 00:43:57,275
Chaldeans

1200
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:58,650
were the ancient

1201
00:43:58,949 --> 00:44:00,809
astronomers, the ancient astrologers,

1202
00:44:01,510 --> 00:44:02,650
the ancient soothsayers,

1203
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:05,050
and wisdom bringers

1204
00:44:05,590 --> 00:44:06,489
of this region,

1205
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:08,329
and they created

1206
00:44:08,869 --> 00:44:09,369
Gnosticism.

1207
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:10,650
Gnosticism

1208
00:44:11,590 --> 00:44:13,369
focused around the idea

1209
00:44:14,015 --> 00:44:16,755
that there was a localized form of god

1210
00:44:17,055 --> 00:44:19,295
that took the shape of a snake, a

1211
00:44:19,295 --> 00:44:19,795
serpent,

1212
00:44:20,255 --> 00:44:21,875
which they called the good serpent.

1213
00:44:22,574 --> 00:44:24,835
But this was only acting on behalf

1214
00:44:25,454 --> 00:44:26,835
of an invisible

1215
00:44:27,295 --> 00:44:27,795
god

1216
00:44:28,175 --> 00:44:29,474
that was beyond it,

1217
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:31,670
that was seen almost like a sort of

1218
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:32,730
invisible sun

1219
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:36,150
that sort of radiated out its beams of

1220
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:36,650
influence,

1221
00:44:37,269 --> 00:44:39,609
but that it was beyond

1222
00:44:39,909 --> 00:44:40,730
our comprehension,

1223
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:43,049
and we needed an interface

1224
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:45,695
to connect with god. Now the gnostics,

1225
00:44:46,155 --> 00:44:46,655
the

1226
00:44:47,114 --> 00:44:48,414
just simply means serpent.

1227
00:44:49,114 --> 00:44:50,575
These serpent worshipers

1228
00:44:51,434 --> 00:44:52,655
believed that the snake

1229
00:44:53,035 --> 00:44:55,434
was literally the son of God, the role

1230
00:44:55,434 --> 00:44:58,750
that Jesus would eventually take within, obviously,

1231
00:44:59,130 --> 00:45:00,429
the more orthodox

1232
00:45:00,730 --> 00:45:02,349
conventional forms of Christianity.

1233
00:45:03,369 --> 00:45:04,670
And that that snake

1234
00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:06,989
could give them knowledge

1235
00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:09,150
of this supernal

1236
00:45:09,609 --> 00:45:10,109
son.

1237
00:45:10,434 --> 00:45:12,114
You know, in other words, of God himself,

1238
00:45:12,114 --> 00:45:14,594
and this was known as the nowas or

1239
00:45:14,594 --> 00:45:15,255
the gnosis,

1240
00:45:15,714 --> 00:45:18,674
the knowledge of God himself. In other words,

1241
00:45:18,674 --> 00:45:21,414
what was really, really going on out there,

1242
00:45:21,875 --> 00:45:23,980
and that this is what I think the

1243
00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:25,039
people of Karahantapai

1244
00:45:25,420 --> 00:45:27,200
were trying to achieve themself.

1245
00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:29,760
But not just knowledge and wisdom,

1246
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:32,559
which I think that they achieved through shamanic

1247
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:33,200
experiences

1248
00:45:33,579 --> 00:45:36,300
that would have involved almost certainly the use

1249
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:36,960
of hallucinogenic

1250
00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:40,244
drugs, the use of constant repetitive

1251
00:45:40,545 --> 00:45:41,045
sound,

1252
00:45:41,824 --> 00:45:43,525
probably sensory deprivation,

1253
00:45:44,385 --> 00:45:47,264
possibly even the use of ritual poles. We

1254
00:45:47,264 --> 00:45:48,485
think that some of these

1255
00:45:49,184 --> 00:45:50,485
enclosures at Karahantapai

1256
00:45:51,150 --> 00:45:53,630
almost certainly had water in them. And the,

1257
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:55,549
you know, the shamans or the initiates would

1258
00:45:55,549 --> 00:45:58,030
have to go into this water possibly for

1259
00:45:58,030 --> 00:45:58,929
days on end

1260
00:45:59,309 --> 00:46:01,409
to quite literally get out of their heads

1261
00:46:01,549 --> 00:46:03,329
and experience this communication

1262
00:46:03,710 --> 00:46:05,789
with this higher intelligence in the form of

1263
00:46:05,789 --> 00:46:06,369
a snake.

1264
00:46:07,364 --> 00:46:10,724
But these ideas are filtered down into the

1265
00:46:10,724 --> 00:46:11,224
gnostic

1266
00:46:11,764 --> 00:46:14,405
beliefs, and the alabaster bowl that we're talking

1267
00:46:14,405 --> 00:46:15,465
about surfaced

1268
00:46:15,844 --> 00:46:17,545
in the mid 19th century

1269
00:46:18,324 --> 00:46:19,945
and was, you know, commented

1270
00:46:20,724 --> 00:46:22,664
by various scholars at the time,

1271
00:46:23,019 --> 00:46:24,559
and this continued through

1272
00:46:25,019 --> 00:46:26,720
into the 20th century.

1273
00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:29,579
It's originally found in the 19th century and

1274
00:46:29,579 --> 00:46:30,239
then obviously

1275
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:33,039
was written about in detail in 20th.

1276
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:36,255
You described it. You know, it's got these

1277
00:46:36,255 --> 00:46:37,234
16 figures,

1278
00:46:38,014 --> 00:46:40,355
male and female, naked with their feet

1279
00:46:41,054 --> 00:46:41,554
touching

1280
00:46:42,014 --> 00:46:43,694
this you know, I mean, it looks like

1281
00:46:43,694 --> 00:46:45,875
a flower, but it's probably the sun itself.

1282
00:46:46,094 --> 00:46:47,074
It has 32

1283
00:46:47,375 --> 00:46:49,829
rays coming out of it. So one each

1284
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:51,690
for all of the feet of the individuals,

1285
00:46:52,070 --> 00:46:55,510
and sitting right on that is the cosmic

1286
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:56,570
serpent itself.

1287
00:46:56,869 --> 00:46:59,369
You know, these people are clearly bathing themselves

1288
00:47:00,070 --> 00:47:01,289
in this energy

1289
00:47:01,590 --> 00:47:04,984
that's coming from the supernal sun. And let's

1290
00:47:04,984 --> 00:47:07,204
say these are not my mad ideas.

1291
00:47:08,545 --> 00:47:09,764
The gnostic scholars

1292
00:47:10,224 --> 00:47:12,244
that have looked at this in great detail

1293
00:47:12,464 --> 00:47:14,484
have concluded exactly that.

1294
00:47:14,784 --> 00:47:16,864
And I think that what you are looking

1295
00:47:16,864 --> 00:47:17,525
at here

1296
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,179
is a stylized representation

1297
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:22,800
of exactly what was going on at Karah

1298
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,460
and Tepai

1299
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,420
as much as 11 to 12000 years ago.

1300
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:28,340
And I think that's quite extraordinary.

1301
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,980
And I think that it's all come through.

1302
00:47:31,505 --> 00:47:32,885
Places like Haran

1303
00:47:33,505 --> 00:47:35,744
and Ufa, which in the bible was known

1304
00:47:35,744 --> 00:47:38,324
as the city of Edessa, by the way.

1305
00:47:39,025 --> 00:47:41,844
And, yeah, these places are incredibly important

1306
00:47:42,385 --> 00:47:43,844
for having kept alive

1307
00:47:44,380 --> 00:47:45,920
all of this ancient wisdom

1308
00:47:46,219 --> 00:47:48,639
and then passing it on to new generations

1309
00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:51,280
through new cults, new religions,

1310
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:52,639
new ideas,

1311
00:47:53,260 --> 00:47:53,760
which

1312
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:55,760
meant that it was available

1313
00:47:56,139 --> 00:47:57,519
through right the way

1314
00:47:57,824 --> 00:47:58,324
until

1315
00:47:58,784 --> 00:48:01,264
late antiquity. In other words, the time of

1316
00:48:01,264 --> 00:48:03,364
the first Christians, the first gnostics,

1317
00:48:03,984 --> 00:48:04,484
which

1318
00:48:04,784 --> 00:48:06,804
meant that these gnostics were connecting

1319
00:48:07,264 --> 00:48:08,885
with an ancient source

1320
00:48:09,184 --> 00:48:09,925
and intelligence

1321
00:48:10,704 --> 00:48:11,204
that

1322
00:48:11,780 --> 00:48:14,019
was real and was out there somewhere in

1323
00:48:14,019 --> 00:48:15,480
the center of our own galaxy.

1324
00:48:16,019 --> 00:48:17,780
Again, they may not have known this, and

1325
00:48:17,780 --> 00:48:19,719
indeed, the gnostics started

1326
00:48:20,179 --> 00:48:23,139
to see this good serpent more associated with

1327
00:48:23,139 --> 00:48:25,139
the northern part of the sky than they

1328
00:48:25,139 --> 00:48:28,405
did the area of galactic center, where they

1329
00:48:28,405 --> 00:48:31,045
saw another serpent, which they called the bad

1330
00:48:31,045 --> 00:48:32,804
serpent. There was the good serpent and the

1331
00:48:32,804 --> 00:48:34,885
bad serpent. So it's clear that these were

1332
00:48:34,885 --> 00:48:36,724
old ideas that they wanted to get away

1333
00:48:36,724 --> 00:48:38,664
from and wanted to reinvent

1334
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:41,329
the cosmic snake as as to do with

1335
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:44,150
the pole star and the stars of Draco,

1336
00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:46,469
which were itself a serpent. But

1337
00:48:47,010 --> 00:48:49,570
if you look deeply into those gnostic beliefs,

1338
00:48:49,570 --> 00:48:52,530
they too had this idea of this serpent,

1339
00:48:52,530 --> 00:48:53,670
this snake influence

1340
00:48:54,465 --> 00:48:56,405
connected with the aeroblastic center.

1341
00:48:58,224 --> 00:48:59,445
I love it. You definitely

1342
00:48:59,985 --> 00:49:01,985
know how to talk about this stuff. And

1343
00:49:01,985 --> 00:49:04,005
I wanna ask you a little more about

1344
00:49:04,065 --> 00:49:06,945
plasmas themselves because this is just so key

1345
00:49:06,945 --> 00:49:08,704
because we spend a lot of time talking

1346
00:49:08,704 --> 00:49:09,684
about paranormal

1347
00:49:10,059 --> 00:49:12,859
activity and aliens and all sorts of stuff.

1348
00:49:12,859 --> 00:49:14,960
And plasma might be

1349
00:49:15,579 --> 00:49:16,079
the

1350
00:49:16,539 --> 00:49:18,159
central thing, the composition

1351
00:49:18,619 --> 00:49:21,420
of what these things are made up of.

1352
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:24,735
You could look at occult literature and grimoires

1353
00:49:24,795 --> 00:49:26,954
and people drawing pentagrams on the ground and

1354
00:49:26,954 --> 00:49:27,934
summoning something,

1355
00:49:28,235 --> 00:49:30,474
and it's a beam of light, and it's

1356
00:49:30,474 --> 00:49:32,015
repeatable, and it's probably

1357
00:49:32,474 --> 00:49:34,809
some form of plasma. And then, you know,

1358
00:49:34,809 --> 00:49:37,150
even the abduction phenomenon, UFOs,

1359
00:49:37,449 --> 00:49:39,289
like, it might be everything. It might even

1360
00:49:39,289 --> 00:49:39,789
be

1361
00:49:40,489 --> 00:49:42,349
the source of our

1362
00:49:43,049 --> 00:49:45,449
thoughts about God, which this kind of relates

1363
00:49:45,449 --> 00:49:48,054
here. So I did read the books you

1364
00:49:48,054 --> 00:49:50,295
wrote with Greg Little, and in Origins of

1365
00:49:50,295 --> 00:49:51,815
the Gods, you do write about the Ark

1366
00:49:51,815 --> 00:49:53,494
of the Covenant and the idea that this

1367
00:49:53,494 --> 00:49:53,994
whole

1368
00:49:54,375 --> 00:49:56,315
God thing they called Yahweh

1369
00:49:56,855 --> 00:49:58,954
might have just been one of these plasmas

1370
00:49:59,094 --> 00:50:02,139
they had sustained contact with, probably, you know,

1371
00:50:02,139 --> 00:50:04,880
with the arc's help making it more repeatable.

1372
00:50:05,340 --> 00:50:07,579
And you use the term end state beings,

1373
00:50:07,579 --> 00:50:09,840
and there's a lot of science behind what

1374
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:12,320
these things could be and their qualities.

1375
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:14,159
It's a super provocative

1376
00:50:14,694 --> 00:50:17,815
set of ideas, but help people understand this

1377
00:50:17,815 --> 00:50:20,375
a little bit better. I mean, what to

1378
00:50:20,375 --> 00:50:23,014
say plasmas doesn't really tell us a whole

1379
00:50:23,014 --> 00:50:25,414
lot. Where do these plasmas come from? How

1380
00:50:25,414 --> 00:50:27,510
do they emerge? What are their qualities and

1381
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:29,449
compositions as far as you're concerned?

1382
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:30,410
Plasma

1383
00:50:30,869 --> 00:50:32,969
is something that probably fills

1384
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:34,170
90%

1385
00:50:35,429 --> 00:50:38,090
of the whole universe. It's not atomic matter.

1386
00:50:39,110 --> 00:50:40,890
So it's obviously very, very important,

1387
00:50:41,269 --> 00:50:43,175
but we have to go back to the

1388
00:50:43,175 --> 00:50:44,235
big bang again.

1389
00:50:44,695 --> 00:50:45,994
We mentioned it earlier

1390
00:50:47,175 --> 00:50:49,515
because when our universe came into existence,

1391
00:50:50,775 --> 00:50:51,275
it

1392
00:50:51,974 --> 00:50:52,474
created

1393
00:50:53,414 --> 00:50:56,135
not atomic matter to start with, but for

1394
00:50:56,135 --> 00:50:56,795
the first

1395
00:50:58,610 --> 00:50:59,750
380000 years,

1396
00:51:00,130 --> 00:51:00,869
it created

1397
00:51:01,329 --> 00:51:02,230
what's known as

1398
00:51:02,530 --> 00:51:03,670
gluon plasma,

1399
00:51:04,369 --> 00:51:07,650
and this filled the universe itself. There was

1400
00:51:07,650 --> 00:51:09,269
nothing else, just plasma.

1401
00:51:10,454 --> 00:51:11,994
But then very gradually,

1402
00:51:12,454 --> 00:51:14,875
this plasma started slowing down

1403
00:51:15,335 --> 00:51:16,155
and transforming

1404
00:51:16,695 --> 00:51:19,355
into what we know as atomic matter.

1405
00:51:20,215 --> 00:51:22,949
And that atomic matter is what we call

1406
00:51:22,949 --> 00:51:26,150
atoms. Everything that we have around us and

1407
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:26,969
within us

1408
00:51:27,590 --> 00:51:29,449
is made of atoms,

1409
00:51:30,789 --> 00:51:33,210
and this creates physical matter.

1410
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:34,889
A physical matter

1411
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:36,489
is one of the 3

1412
00:51:37,184 --> 00:51:39,585
states of matter that we know and love.

1413
00:51:39,585 --> 00:51:41,844
The other 2, obviously, being liquids,

1414
00:51:42,385 --> 00:51:44,565
which is more fluent version of matter.

1415
00:51:45,025 --> 00:51:47,364
And beyond that, of course, is gas,

1416
00:51:47,664 --> 00:51:49,505
which is, you know, the air around us

1417
00:51:49,505 --> 00:51:51,420
or any gas that comes out of our

1418
00:51:51,659 --> 00:51:52,880
gas cookers or whatever.

1419
00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:55,179
Those are the 3 states of matter, but

1420
00:51:55,179 --> 00:51:57,199
what's known as the full state of matter

1421
00:51:57,739 --> 00:51:58,719
is plasma.

1422
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:00,400
And plasma,

1423
00:52:00,940 --> 00:52:02,880
if you wanna put it in simple terms,

1424
00:52:03,260 --> 00:52:05,199
it's splitting atoms up

1425
00:52:05,644 --> 00:52:06,784
into 2 parts,

1426
00:52:07,324 --> 00:52:10,945
into what's known as, positive and negative ions.

1427
00:52:11,164 --> 00:52:14,065
The positive ions are the nucleus

1428
00:52:14,364 --> 00:52:15,264
of the atom

1429
00:52:15,565 --> 00:52:18,125
with some of the electrons still flying around

1430
00:52:18,125 --> 00:52:18,625
it,

1431
00:52:19,059 --> 00:52:21,480
and the negative ions are the

1432
00:52:22,099 --> 00:52:25,239
electrons that have become free and are now

1433
00:52:25,539 --> 00:52:27,799
flying around in an excited state.

1434
00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:31,380
And as they do this, they create their

1435
00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:33,880
own magnetic fields around themselves.

1436
00:52:35,434 --> 00:52:37,594
And because they are doing it in bulk

1437
00:52:37,594 --> 00:52:38,094
together,

1438
00:52:38,715 --> 00:52:40,954
this will create almost like a ball of

1439
00:52:40,954 --> 00:52:42,255
light, if you like.

1440
00:52:42,795 --> 00:52:43,295
And

1441
00:52:43,755 --> 00:52:45,914
the reason why the light is there, by

1442
00:52:45,914 --> 00:52:47,775
the way, is because this excitation

1443
00:52:48,949 --> 00:52:50,170
causes the electrons

1444
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:51,369
to release

1445
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:52,170
tiny

1446
00:52:52,469 --> 00:52:52,969
photons

1447
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:55,849
of light. So that's why you see this.

1448
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:59,690
So plasmas can take the form of balls,

1449
00:53:00,069 --> 00:53:00,569
but

1450
00:53:01,074 --> 00:53:02,914
most people, when they think of plasma balls,

1451
00:53:02,914 --> 00:53:05,175
they think of, let's say, you know, thunderstorms,

1452
00:53:05,554 --> 00:53:06,375
ball lightning.

1453
00:53:06,914 --> 00:53:09,474
Balls that just come in appearance, shoot about,

1454
00:53:09,474 --> 00:53:11,655
cause some damage, and disappear.

1455
00:53:12,355 --> 00:53:15,715
But plasmas or plasmoids, which is the correct

1456
00:53:15,715 --> 00:53:18,710
term for the ball like versions of it,

1457
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:20,869
can linger much longer, not only in the

1458
00:53:20,869 --> 00:53:21,369
laboratory

1459
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:22,889
when they are created,

1460
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:24,250
but also

1461
00:53:24,550 --> 00:53:27,449
outside in the landscape because the landscape

1462
00:53:28,389 --> 00:53:29,609
creates its own

1463
00:53:30,135 --> 00:53:30,635
plasmoids,

1464
00:53:31,094 --> 00:53:32,635
its own plasma constructs,

1465
00:53:33,255 --> 00:53:34,554
and this it does

1466
00:53:34,855 --> 00:53:35,994
through geology.

1467
00:53:36,775 --> 00:53:37,434
Most particular,

1468
00:53:38,054 --> 00:53:38,795
the presence

1469
00:53:39,094 --> 00:53:42,260
of certain types of minerals, such as quartz

1470
00:53:42,260 --> 00:53:43,079
and tourmaline

1471
00:53:43,539 --> 00:53:45,159
that can be pressurized

1472
00:53:45,780 --> 00:53:46,599
into releasing

1473
00:53:47,219 --> 00:53:50,099
their electrons, which are used to create what's

1474
00:53:50,099 --> 00:53:51,239
known as ionospheric

1475
00:53:51,619 --> 00:53:52,119
environments.

1476
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:53,880
And these are like tinderboxes

1477
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:55,320
for the creation

1478
00:53:55,780 --> 00:53:56,599
of plasma.

1479
00:53:57,184 --> 00:53:59,364
And the other big factor

1480
00:54:00,304 --> 00:54:01,525
is fault lines.

1481
00:54:02,144 --> 00:54:04,864
The stresses and strains that have fractured the

1482
00:54:04,864 --> 00:54:05,364
earth

1483
00:54:06,385 --> 00:54:09,364
either because of the movement of tectonic plates

1484
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:11,449
or the movement

1485
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:13,769
of different rock strata,

1486
00:54:14,949 --> 00:54:17,829
yeah, often due to things like ice ages

1487
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:19,929
and stuff like this. This will fracture

1488
00:54:20,869 --> 00:54:22,170
the underlying bedrock.

1489
00:54:22,985 --> 00:54:25,625
And once again, this puts huge strains on

1490
00:54:25,625 --> 00:54:28,364
the earth, and this creates these

1491
00:54:28,664 --> 00:54:29,885
ionospheric environments,

1492
00:54:30,585 --> 00:54:31,085
and

1493
00:54:31,785 --> 00:54:33,324
they create plasma

1494
00:54:33,625 --> 00:54:34,125
objects.

1495
00:54:34,664 --> 00:54:37,380
In other words, you will see them more

1496
00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:40,579
likely where there is very specific types of

1497
00:54:40,579 --> 00:54:41,079
geology.

1498
00:54:41,619 --> 00:54:42,599
Certain minerals,

1499
00:54:43,059 --> 00:54:46,119
metals, for instance, that can convey those

1500
00:54:46,420 --> 00:54:47,639
electrons more easily

1501
00:54:47,940 --> 00:54:48,760
through the ground,

1502
00:54:49,219 --> 00:54:50,839
and they break the surface,

1503
00:54:51,184 --> 00:54:53,364
and suddenly they will appear in the air.

1504
00:54:53,585 --> 00:54:54,724
And there's no question

1505
00:54:55,264 --> 00:54:56,244
that many

1506
00:54:56,625 --> 00:54:58,565
UFO or UAP sightings

1507
00:54:59,025 --> 00:55:00,085
can be explained

1508
00:55:00,385 --> 00:55:01,125
as plasmas

1509
00:55:01,585 --> 00:55:02,244
or plasmoids,

1510
00:55:03,105 --> 00:55:05,025
or plasma orbs is one of the terms

1511
00:55:05,025 --> 00:55:06,164
that's used today.

1512
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:09,260
But they're not just floating balls of light.

1513
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,780
They can show intelligence.

1514
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:12,140
They unquestionably

1515
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,780
seem to be intelligent in nature.

1516
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:17,400
There are a number of papers just come

1517
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,400
out in the last year that tell us

1518
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,059
that plasma

1519
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,260
can be intelligent.

1520
00:55:22,695 --> 00:55:25,255
And what this means is that the plasma

1521
00:55:25,255 --> 00:55:27,655
itself isn't intelligent. I mean, plasma is just

1522
00:55:27,655 --> 00:55:29,675
plasma, but what can happen

1523
00:55:30,055 --> 00:55:31,195
is that intelligences

1524
00:55:31,974 --> 00:55:32,474
existing

1525
00:55:32,855 --> 00:55:34,715
on a deeper level of existence

1526
00:55:35,335 --> 00:55:37,195
outside of normal space time

1527
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:40,940
can occupy the space that's created by plasma.

1528
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,320
I mean, the way I always describe it

1529
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,320
is a glove. You know, one of my

1530
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,719
fingerless gloves here. I mean, this glove is

1531
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,500
nothing. Is it? It's a piece of cloth.

1532
00:55:49,715 --> 00:55:52,434
It's dead. It's not alive. Right? But if

1533
00:55:52,434 --> 00:55:54,454
I put my hand inside it

1534
00:55:54,755 --> 00:55:55,414
like this,

1535
00:55:56,755 --> 00:55:59,635
it animates it. The glove's not alive, but

1536
00:55:59,635 --> 00:56:02,594
my hand is animating it so that the

1537
00:56:02,594 --> 00:56:03,094
plasma

1538
00:56:03,554 --> 00:56:04,775
becomes animated.

1539
00:56:06,570 --> 00:56:07,550
And that

1540
00:56:07,849 --> 00:56:08,910
you have intelligences

1541
00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:09,950
occupying

1542
00:56:10,329 --> 00:56:11,150
these objects.

1543
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:12,750
And these objects

1544
00:56:13,289 --> 00:56:14,829
can become quite solid

1545
00:56:15,930 --> 00:56:18,650
and even form into structured craft. How can

1546
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:21,994
they do that? Because the plasma acts as

1547
00:56:21,994 --> 00:56:22,494
portals

1548
00:56:23,114 --> 00:56:24,494
into higher dimensional

1549
00:56:24,875 --> 00:56:25,375
environments,

1550
00:56:26,234 --> 00:56:26,734
and

1551
00:56:27,034 --> 00:56:28,734
they can become wormholes.

1552
00:56:29,194 --> 00:56:31,054
In other words, 2 mouths

1553
00:56:31,355 --> 00:56:33,994
in different positions that are entangled together on

1554
00:56:33,994 --> 00:56:35,135
a quantum level

1555
00:56:35,539 --> 00:56:37,239
that can allow matter

1556
00:56:37,539 --> 00:56:40,500
to enter 1 and exit in the other.

1557
00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:43,079
In other words, quite possibly, extraterrestrial

1558
00:56:43,460 --> 00:56:43,960
objects

1559
00:56:44,260 --> 00:56:46,359
could use plasma to manifest

1560
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:48,920
into our physical reality.

1561
00:56:49,974 --> 00:56:50,635
It's possible

1562
00:56:51,094 --> 00:56:53,755
that we are talking about objects and intelligences

1563
00:56:54,534 --> 00:56:56,234
that exist on a higher dimensional

1564
00:56:56,695 --> 00:56:59,835
frequency usually that are able to use plasma

1565
00:56:59,974 --> 00:57:01,734
to enter our world and become what we

1566
00:57:01,734 --> 00:57:03,994
call plasma beings or light beings.

1567
00:57:04,530 --> 00:57:07,329
But, also, there's a chance that at least

1568
00:57:07,329 --> 00:57:09,489
some of these objects and the entities that

1569
00:57:09,489 --> 00:57:12,230
come from them are coming in from parallel

1570
00:57:12,289 --> 00:57:12,789
worlds.

1571
00:57:13,489 --> 00:57:15,969
Parallel worlds that coexist with us. How do

1572
00:57:15,969 --> 00:57:19,214
they coexist with us? Because of the brains

1573
00:57:19,214 --> 00:57:20,974
that I told you about before, the b

1574
00:57:20,974 --> 00:57:23,554
r a n e s, that are created

1575
00:57:23,694 --> 00:57:25,954
within the 11 dimensional bulk.

1576
00:57:26,734 --> 00:57:28,194
Because according to the main

1577
00:57:28,655 --> 00:57:31,375
theory of the bulk and the creation of

1578
00:57:31,375 --> 00:57:32,434
the physical universe,

1579
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,320
other universes can be created at the same

1580
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:35,820
time,

1581
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,019
and they may not have the same

1582
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,099
laws of physics as our own.

1583
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,739
And that these different universes

1584
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:45,340
can exist independently,

1585
00:57:45,965 --> 00:57:46,704
but they

1586
00:57:47,085 --> 00:57:48,065
can interact

1587
00:57:48,605 --> 00:57:51,585
and overlay each other. And when this happens,

1588
00:57:51,804 --> 00:57:54,525
there can be bleed throughs from one to

1589
00:57:54,525 --> 00:57:55,184
the other.

1590
00:57:55,485 --> 00:57:56,704
So if you're interacting

1591
00:57:57,405 --> 00:58:00,125
with a brain or a universe that's not

1592
00:58:00,125 --> 00:58:01,824
quite the same as us or has

1593
00:58:02,180 --> 00:58:04,900
different laws of physics, it has different animals,

1594
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:06,519
different creatures, different intelligences,

1595
00:58:07,220 --> 00:58:10,440
different environments, then they can start bleeding through

1596
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:14,019
into our own. Probably only on a temporary

1597
00:58:14,019 --> 00:58:16,844
basis because the chances are that these

1598
00:58:17,144 --> 00:58:17,965
other universes

1599
00:58:18,824 --> 00:58:21,545
come apart from our own eventually, maybe after

1600
00:58:21,545 --> 00:58:22,824
a few minutes, a few hours, a few

1601
00:58:22,824 --> 00:58:25,465
days, a few weeks, so that whatever has

1602
00:58:25,465 --> 00:58:28,425
manifested into our world suddenly vanishes as if

1603
00:58:28,425 --> 00:58:30,605
it was never there in the first place.

1604
00:58:31,650 --> 00:58:32,150
But,

1605
00:58:32,609 --> 00:58:34,469
you know, this is what we call

1606
00:58:34,769 --> 00:58:37,909
bubble universes. These bubble universes, these other universes

1607
00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:39,349
can come into existence

1608
00:58:40,130 --> 00:58:42,130
even overlaying our own, and they don't have

1609
00:58:42,130 --> 00:58:43,569
to be the same size as our own

1610
00:58:43,569 --> 00:58:45,829
universe. They can be that big.

1611
00:58:46,775 --> 00:58:48,315
You know, they can exist for

1612
00:58:48,695 --> 00:58:51,175
3 seconds or whatever. You know? In other

1613
00:58:51,175 --> 00:58:53,355
words, they can open and close

1614
00:58:53,735 --> 00:58:56,875
at will, sometimes overlaying with our own, sometime

1615
00:58:57,255 --> 00:58:59,675
existing separately to our own, but occasionally

1616
00:59:00,135 --> 00:59:02,550
interacting with our own. And this is the

1617
00:59:02,550 --> 00:59:04,410
physics that we're dealing with now.

1618
00:59:04,869 --> 00:59:07,289
And, again, this is not some new age

1619
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:09,849
concept that I'm creating in my head.

1620
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:12,969
This is what cutting edge science tells us

1621
00:59:13,110 --> 00:59:14,410
is now possible

1622
00:59:14,914 --> 00:59:17,494
through our knowledge of mathematics, of geometry,

1623
00:59:18,275 --> 00:59:19,255
of astronomy,

1624
00:59:19,954 --> 00:59:20,454
astrophysics,

1625
00:59:21,715 --> 00:59:23,255
and physics as a whole.

1626
00:59:24,195 --> 00:59:27,329
That's a great breakdown, and the glove analogy

1627
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:29,489
is a good one because when the hand

1628
00:59:29,489 --> 00:59:31,510
is in the glove, you can then manipulate

1629
00:59:31,890 --> 00:59:34,869
the shape of it, you know, pretty effortlessly.

1630
00:59:35,329 --> 00:59:37,969
And so they are manipulating the shape of

1631
00:59:37,969 --> 00:59:41,190
the plasma to sometimes appear as other things.

1632
00:59:41,525 --> 00:59:43,765
But the description of how the plasmas come

1633
00:59:43,765 --> 00:59:44,505
to be

1634
00:59:45,765 --> 00:59:46,585
sounds very

1635
00:59:47,285 --> 00:59:49,364
random. It's like lighting. It's like a flash

1636
00:59:49,364 --> 00:59:51,045
in the pan almost is what it kinda

1637
00:59:51,045 --> 00:59:53,305
sounds like. So it's from the perspective

1638
00:59:53,684 --> 00:59:54,184
of

1639
00:59:54,565 --> 00:59:56,744
the being that's inhabiting the plasma,

1640
00:59:57,519 --> 00:59:59,440
how does it know this is going to

1641
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,860
occur? How does it get into the plasma?

1642
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,800
What are these intelligences doing when there's not

1643
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,260
a plasma present?

1644
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,660
Because in some instances,

1645
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:09,780
these are

1646
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:11,140
repeated

1647
01:00:12,135 --> 01:00:12,635
communications

1648
01:00:13,015 --> 01:00:14,474
with the same entity.

1649
01:00:15,335 --> 01:00:17,755
So what is it about reading a grimoire

1650
01:00:17,815 --> 01:00:19,034
and drawing a pentagram

1651
01:00:19,974 --> 01:00:22,855
and facing a different direction? Because directionality is

1652
01:00:22,855 --> 01:00:24,630
very key in a lot of those magical

1653
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:26,730
rituals and the timing, the astrological

1654
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:28,730
celestial timing is important,

1655
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:31,429
that it gets the same plasma to show

1656
01:00:31,429 --> 01:00:33,429
up or at least one that can pretend

1657
01:00:33,429 --> 01:00:35,589
to be the same and respond to the

1658
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:39,055
same name. Because people have ongoing communications, even

1659
01:00:39,055 --> 01:00:41,155
aliens. People have ongoing visitations,

1660
01:00:42,255 --> 01:00:42,755
and

1661
01:00:43,135 --> 01:00:45,135
the ones that come seem to be aware

1662
01:00:45,135 --> 01:00:46,595
of the previous interactions

1663
01:00:46,974 --> 01:00:47,635
as well.

1664
01:00:48,015 --> 01:00:50,019
So that's kinda where it's weird to me

1665
01:00:50,019 --> 01:00:53,400
because the description, the scientific description makes sense,

1666
01:00:53,859 --> 01:00:56,179
but it also seems so random and so

1667
01:00:56,179 --> 01:00:58,980
chaotic and so quick, like a flash in

1668
01:00:58,980 --> 01:01:01,059
the pan, as opposed to some of these

1669
01:01:01,059 --> 01:01:01,559
other

1670
01:01:02,234 --> 01:01:05,194
stories I hear of sustained communication over long

1671
01:01:05,194 --> 01:01:06,174
periods of time.

1672
01:01:06,795 --> 01:01:09,375
Yeah. Well, I mean, the idea that plasma

1673
01:01:09,434 --> 01:01:11,454
can be occupied by

1674
01:01:11,994 --> 01:01:12,494
intelligences

1675
01:01:12,875 --> 01:01:13,375
existing

1676
01:01:14,429 --> 01:01:15,250
quite literally

1677
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:17,409
outside of normal space time

1678
01:01:17,869 --> 01:01:18,369
was

1679
01:01:18,909 --> 01:01:22,769
really first proposed in the 19 sixties by

1680
01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:25,550
a plasma physicist by the name of David

1681
01:01:25,550 --> 01:01:26,050
Bohm.

1682
01:01:26,715 --> 01:01:27,855
He wrote extensively

1683
01:01:28,474 --> 01:01:30,974
on this subject, and many of my ideas

1684
01:01:31,595 --> 01:01:32,095
unquestionably

1685
01:01:32,875 --> 01:01:34,015
began with his.

1686
01:01:34,795 --> 01:01:37,355
And he talked in terms of what he

1687
01:01:37,355 --> 01:01:39,135
referred to as proto intelligences.

1688
01:01:39,434 --> 01:01:41,880
Now that doesn't mean that they are substandard

1689
01:01:42,179 --> 01:01:45,559
or anything like that, but they are intelligences

1690
01:01:46,099 --> 01:01:48,679
that are not of a material nature

1691
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:52,019
that coexist with us in what we would

1692
01:01:52,019 --> 01:01:53,480
perceive as an invisible

1693
01:01:53,780 --> 01:01:55,480
state, probably involving

1694
01:01:56,065 --> 01:01:57,045
a higher dimensional

1695
01:01:58,065 --> 01:01:59,364
quality about them

1696
01:02:00,065 --> 01:02:02,945
that we just cannot connect with properly. I

1697
01:02:02,945 --> 01:02:05,045
mean and I think that Carl Sagan

1698
01:02:05,905 --> 01:02:06,405
adequately

1699
01:02:07,025 --> 01:02:09,869
described this back in the sixties and early

1700
01:02:09,869 --> 01:02:11,889
seventies when he talked about

1701
01:02:12,510 --> 01:02:13,969
us being three-dimensional

1702
01:02:14,349 --> 01:02:16,289
beings. But if you can imagine

1703
01:02:16,670 --> 01:02:19,949
two dimensional beings, flat beings that can only

1704
01:02:19,949 --> 01:02:21,329
go forwards or sideways

1705
01:02:21,835 --> 01:02:24,474
on a flat plan world, basically, that almost

1706
01:02:24,474 --> 01:02:25,855
looks like a piece of paper.

1707
01:02:26,635 --> 01:02:27,775
If those entities

1708
01:02:28,394 --> 01:02:29,695
are there and then suddenly,

1709
01:02:30,155 --> 01:02:30,894
a three-dimensional

1710
01:02:31,275 --> 01:02:33,135
object, let's say, like a ball,

1711
01:02:33,835 --> 01:02:35,135
passes through their

1712
01:02:35,434 --> 01:02:36,094
2 dimensional

1713
01:02:36,909 --> 01:02:39,309
existence, what are they gonna see? All they're

1714
01:02:39,309 --> 01:02:42,829
gonna see is suddenly a hole or opening

1715
01:02:42,829 --> 01:02:43,329
up,

1716
01:02:43,949 --> 01:02:47,630
and this black flap thing gradually getting bigger

1717
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:48,289
and bigger

1718
01:02:48,824 --> 01:02:51,945
until it reaches its maximum width. And then

1719
01:02:51,945 --> 01:02:52,445
suddenly,

1720
01:02:52,905 --> 01:02:54,905
it getting smaller and smaller again as it

1721
01:02:54,905 --> 01:02:58,204
passes through their 2 dimensional flat plan world.

1722
01:02:58,664 --> 01:03:01,085
So how are they gonna interpret it?

1723
01:03:02,130 --> 01:03:03,969
In other words, they're not gonna see it

1724
01:03:03,969 --> 01:03:05,730
as a ball. They are never ever gonna

1725
01:03:05,730 --> 01:03:07,409
see it as a ball because they are

1726
01:03:07,409 --> 01:03:08,150
2 dimensional

1727
01:03:08,529 --> 01:03:09,190
in nature,

1728
01:03:09,569 --> 01:03:11,730
and it's the same with us. If we

1729
01:03:11,730 --> 01:03:12,949
are dealing with

1730
01:03:13,329 --> 01:03:14,549
beings' intelligences

1731
01:03:15,394 --> 01:03:18,514
that normally occupy, let's say, 4, maybe 5

1732
01:03:18,514 --> 01:03:20,534
dimensions, perhaps even 11 dimensions,

1733
01:03:21,474 --> 01:03:23,954
how are we going to perceive them? We're

1734
01:03:23,954 --> 01:03:25,954
not. We might see flashes of light. We

1735
01:03:25,954 --> 01:03:27,335
might see plasmas,

1736
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:31,239
but we won't fully understand what's right in

1737
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:33,639
front of our own eyes because we are

1738
01:03:33,639 --> 01:03:34,139
three-dimensional

1739
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:34,940
creatures.

1740
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,960
The only way that we could possibly start

1741
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,079
understanding them is up here in our brain

1742
01:03:41,079 --> 01:03:42,219
and within our consciousness

1743
01:03:42,744 --> 01:03:43,724
and within dreams

1744
01:03:44,184 --> 01:03:45,484
and within visions.

1745
01:03:46,744 --> 01:03:47,244
Man.

1746
01:03:47,945 --> 01:03:50,984
Wow. Well, sometimes even 2 hours isn't enough

1747
01:03:50,984 --> 01:03:53,324
time. I always am thinking this. I had

1748
01:03:53,784 --> 01:03:56,045
to discard quite a few things. I mean,

1749
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,559
just amazing material. We didn't even talk about

1750
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:01,880
Collins Cave. I know that in the past,

1751
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:02,780
you have done

1752
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:04,140
some kind of

1753
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,239
experiments with Oregon or been involved in a

1754
01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:10,525
group for Oregon, and, that itself is fascinating.

1755
01:04:10,525 --> 01:04:12,125
But, hey, you got more books coming out.

1756
01:04:12,125 --> 01:04:13,744
Maybe we can do this again sometime.

1757
01:04:14,284 --> 01:04:16,525
But I thank Hugh Newman for vouching for

1758
01:04:16,525 --> 01:04:18,445
me and getting a full 2 hour show

1759
01:04:18,445 --> 01:04:20,125
on the books. I know it's a big

1760
01:04:20,125 --> 01:04:20,625
ask.

1761
01:04:21,085 --> 01:04:22,364
I also know you have a lot of

1762
01:04:22,364 --> 01:04:24,630
events coming on this year. I think a

1763
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:26,550
Turkey trip in May and then again in

1764
01:04:26,550 --> 01:04:30,170
September, esoteric England in August, Peru in November.

1765
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:32,949
Before I really let you go, the reason

1766
01:04:32,949 --> 01:04:34,949
we do the dance, let people know not

1767
01:04:34,949 --> 01:04:36,389
only where they can get the book, I

1768
01:04:36,389 --> 01:04:38,204
mean, where can't they get a book, but,

1769
01:04:38,285 --> 01:04:39,885
you know, just the things you're working on,

1770
01:04:39,885 --> 01:04:41,105
the things you have available,

1771
01:04:41,724 --> 01:04:44,045
your website is your first and last name

1772
01:04:44,045 --> 01:04:45,965
.com, but these trips are also a big

1773
01:04:45,965 --> 01:04:46,864
thing you're doing.

1774
01:04:47,405 --> 01:04:48,925
Yeah. I mean, this is something that I

1775
01:04:48,925 --> 01:04:51,325
do, as you mentioned, with my good friend

1776
01:04:51,325 --> 01:04:53,910
and colleague, Hugh Newman, and obviously his partner,

1777
01:04:54,050 --> 01:04:55,110
JJ Ainsworth.

1778
01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:57,269
You know, we are

1779
01:04:58,050 --> 01:05:00,210
the top of our game relating to these

1780
01:05:00,210 --> 01:05:02,210
Taj Teppala sites at the moment, you know,

1781
01:05:02,210 --> 01:05:04,369
Karah and Tepai and Gobekli Teppai. And if

1782
01:05:04,369 --> 01:05:06,550
you want to go out to these sites,

1783
01:05:06,804 --> 01:05:08,644
you have no better company than us. I

1784
01:05:08,644 --> 01:05:09,545
promise you.

1785
01:05:10,244 --> 01:05:11,525
Because, you know, we've been on top of

1786
01:05:11,525 --> 01:05:12,885
this for years. I mean, I've been on

1787
01:05:12,885 --> 01:05:15,065
top of it for the last 2 decades,

1788
01:05:15,364 --> 01:05:15,864
basically.

1789
01:05:16,565 --> 01:05:18,744
Obviously, I've done various books on the subject.

1790
01:05:18,804 --> 01:05:20,965
Gobekli Tepe, Genesis of the Gods, came out

1791
01:05:20,965 --> 01:05:21,704
in 2014.

1792
01:05:23,019 --> 01:05:23,519
Karahentepi,

1793
01:05:24,059 --> 01:05:25,519
Civilization of the Anunnaki

1794
01:05:25,980 --> 01:05:26,480
and

1795
01:05:26,940 --> 01:05:29,900
the Cosmic Origins of the Serpent of Eden.

1796
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:30,960
Yeah. That's the one,

1797
01:05:31,339 --> 01:05:33,279
which is the latest book, which obviously

1798
01:05:34,139 --> 01:05:37,175
fully updates everything and covers this site of

1799
01:05:37,175 --> 01:05:39,755
Karahantepe and everything we've been talking about today.

1800
01:05:40,135 --> 01:05:41,655
But, you know, you've got other books as

1801
01:05:41,655 --> 01:05:43,335
well. You got from the ashes of angels,

1802
01:05:43,335 --> 01:05:44,394
which came out in 1996

1803
01:05:44,695 --> 01:05:45,355
that really

1804
01:05:45,815 --> 01:05:47,574
set the pace for it all, and it

1805
01:05:47,574 --> 01:05:48,875
was actually being written

1806
01:05:49,175 --> 01:05:50,235
at the same time

1807
01:05:50,809 --> 01:05:52,969
that the first spades were going into the

1808
01:05:52,969 --> 01:05:54,969
ground at Quebec, Tepe. I didn't have no

1809
01:05:54,969 --> 01:05:56,590
knowledge of it, and, yeah, I pinpointed

1810
01:05:56,969 --> 01:05:59,150
that area as the cradle of civilization

1811
01:05:59,449 --> 01:06:01,289
and said, this is where you will find

1812
01:06:01,289 --> 01:06:04,489
evidence of a shamanic elite that kick started

1813
01:06:04,489 --> 01:06:04,989
civilization.

1814
01:06:05,964 --> 01:06:08,385
And that's exactly where they found Quebec, Tepay.

1815
01:06:08,844 --> 01:06:11,264
Plus you got my books on the UFOs,

1816
01:06:11,324 --> 01:06:12,864
UAP, plasma intelligences,

1817
01:06:13,484 --> 01:06:15,344
light quest, origins of the gods,

1818
01:06:16,045 --> 01:06:18,065
and we haven't even talked about the Denisovans.

1819
01:06:18,204 --> 01:06:18,944
If you wanna

1820
01:06:19,565 --> 01:06:21,025
go all the way back

1821
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,700
to the origins of where all of this

1822
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,360
megalithic science comes from, they're the people, the

1823
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:28,900
Denisovans out of Siberia

1824
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:30,260
and China

1825
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,800
and Tibetan plateau and all the rest of

1826
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,740
it. That's where you're gonna find them.

1827
01:06:35,054 --> 01:06:35,554
Andrewcollins.com

1828
01:06:36,175 --> 01:06:37,155
is my website.

1829
01:06:37,775 --> 01:06:40,414
You can obviously get these books from all

1830
01:06:40,414 --> 01:06:41,234
good online

1831
01:06:41,775 --> 01:06:44,655
stores. We're always told to plug Amazon and

1832
01:06:44,655 --> 01:06:45,635
Barnes and Noble.

1833
01:06:46,494 --> 01:06:48,094
Got Barnes and Noble get upset if you

1834
01:06:48,094 --> 01:06:49,875
only ever mentioned Amazon, apparently.

1835
01:06:51,030 --> 01:06:53,349
So I have to say that. And, yeah,

1836
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:55,670
we do these tours. We're going to Turkey

1837
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:57,690
in May and again in September.

1838
01:06:58,789 --> 01:07:01,670
We're going to Peru, Bolivia, and Easter Island

1839
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:04,234
in November. That's gonna be an epic

1840
01:07:04,534 --> 01:07:05,034
journey,

1841
01:07:05,335 --> 01:07:07,494
which I'm probably gonna be away from my

1842
01:07:07,494 --> 01:07:08,954
home probably about a month.

1843
01:07:09,815 --> 01:07:11,734
That's me personally. Other people don't have to

1844
01:07:11,734 --> 01:07:13,335
spend all that time there, but, you know,

1845
01:07:13,335 --> 01:07:14,954
you can join any part of it.

1846
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:17,829
Yeah. All the details are there. And if

1847
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:19,530
you like what you heard,

1848
01:07:20,469 --> 01:07:23,269
you can communicate with me either through the

1849
01:07:23,269 --> 01:07:25,050
email address on the website

1850
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:28,150
or find me on social media. I mean,

1851
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:29,989
all the links to my social media and

1852
01:07:29,989 --> 01:07:30,489
YouTube

1853
01:07:31,055 --> 01:07:31,635
are on

1854
01:07:31,934 --> 01:07:34,675
the opening page of the website. So

1855
01:07:35,295 --> 01:07:36,835
hope to see you out and about,

1856
01:07:37,295 --> 01:07:38,974
either at the tours or one of these

1857
01:07:38,974 --> 01:07:39,474
conferences,

1858
01:07:39,934 --> 01:07:41,075
I do as well.

1859
01:07:41,855 --> 01:07:42,355
Amazing.

1860
01:07:42,909 --> 01:07:44,909
Well, I really love talking to you. We

1861
01:07:44,909 --> 01:07:47,230
covered a lot of ground. I've loved several

1862
01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:48,590
of your books, and it seems like the

1863
01:07:48,590 --> 01:07:50,510
ones I like most, I haven't even got

1864
01:07:50,510 --> 01:07:51,489
to yet. But

1865
01:07:52,030 --> 01:07:54,429
I really like that these tours are going

1866
01:07:54,429 --> 01:07:54,929
on.

1867
01:07:55,230 --> 01:07:56,989
I have heard you also talk about the

1868
01:07:56,989 --> 01:07:59,974
fact that the World Economic Forum is doing

1869
01:07:59,974 --> 01:08:02,474
some things that Gobekli Tepe trying to

1870
01:08:02,855 --> 01:08:05,255
pour concrete there and plant trees and trying

1871
01:08:05,255 --> 01:08:07,575
to keep things suppressed, and that's a whole

1872
01:08:07,575 --> 01:08:10,375
another ball of wax. But, you know, go

1873
01:08:10,375 --> 01:08:12,375
while you can, people. You know, take a

1874
01:08:12,375 --> 01:08:13,595
trip while you can.

1875
01:08:13,949 --> 01:08:16,430
Geopolitical tensions are high, trips might be hard

1876
01:08:16,430 --> 01:08:18,350
to take in a couple of years, go

1877
01:08:18,350 --> 01:08:19,789
now. I mean, I'm tempted to find a

1878
01:08:19,789 --> 01:08:21,310
babysitter for the kids and get on one

1879
01:08:21,310 --> 01:08:22,590
of these. If you ever do one to

1880
01:08:22,590 --> 01:08:24,670
Guarana and the French Pyrenees and the Grail

1881
01:08:24,670 --> 01:08:27,069
sites, I'll definitely have to loop in some

1882
01:08:27,069 --> 01:08:28,829
babysitter for the kids and get out on

1883
01:08:28,829 --> 01:08:31,255
one of those. But I can't imagine better

1884
01:08:31,255 --> 01:08:32,934
guides than you and Hugh, so I hope

1885
01:08:32,934 --> 01:08:34,614
some people take you up on that. But

1886
01:08:34,614 --> 01:08:36,135
thanks for taking the time to talk to

1887
01:08:36,135 --> 01:08:37,434
me today, and take care.

1888
01:08:37,974 --> 01:08:39,675
My pleasure, Greg. Thank you.

1889
01:08:41,909 --> 01:08:44,710
Oh, sweet baby Jesus. That is what I'm

1890
01:08:44,710 --> 01:08:47,189
talking about. One of the best in the

1891
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:49,670
game, a name that was definitely on my

1892
01:08:49,670 --> 01:08:51,130
dream guest list,

1893
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:54,469
crossed off. It was definitely good for me,

1894
01:08:54,469 --> 01:08:56,805
and it's all thanks to Hugh who told

1895
01:08:56,805 --> 01:08:59,465
Andrew that in the vast sea of podcasts

1896
01:08:59,765 --> 01:09:01,704
trying to get an interview, THC

1897
01:09:02,005 --> 01:09:03,925
is one that is worth taking the time

1898
01:09:03,925 --> 01:09:04,585
to do.

1899
01:09:05,445 --> 01:09:07,385
Sometimes, a personal recommendation

1900
01:09:07,845 --> 01:09:08,824
is the difference.

1901
01:09:09,130 --> 01:09:11,610
Hint hint, audience. Let's flex that muscle a

1902
01:09:11,610 --> 01:09:12,350
bit more.

1903
01:09:13,289 --> 01:09:14,590
But right up my alley.

1904
01:09:15,210 --> 01:09:17,949
Exactly the kinds of topics I've been interested

1905
01:09:18,010 --> 01:09:20,989
in recently. A surprise to no one listening,

1906
01:09:21,050 --> 01:09:21,789
I'm sure.

1907
01:09:22,275 --> 01:09:25,155
And another reason why 2 hours is so

1908
01:09:25,155 --> 01:09:28,275
clutch. His latest book is about Karahan Tepe.

1909
01:09:28,275 --> 01:09:30,375
And, of course, we're gonna talk about it

1910
01:09:30,515 --> 01:09:32,854
and his latest discoveries and conclusions.

1911
01:09:33,954 --> 01:09:36,340
But with such a huge back catalog of

1912
01:09:36,340 --> 01:09:38,899
work that resonates with us right now, a

1913
01:09:38,899 --> 01:09:41,219
second hour is when we can really get

1914
01:09:41,219 --> 01:09:42,439
further into that.

1915
01:09:43,219 --> 01:09:45,319
Examples being UFO cases

1916
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and just

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the decades of contact with plasma beans and

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Skinwalker Ranch and Guirana and the Grail Quest

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and the French Pyrenees.

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We got into binding plasma beans for power

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if that is something that happens, and Stonehenge,

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and dodecahedrons,

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and dream space, and

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a lot of fun stuff.

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He's a very versatile guy, but yet so

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many roads do lead to the same places

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because I do think it's all connected.

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Anyway, get plus for $8 a month, 5

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shows a month, 750

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01:10:20,564 --> 01:10:23,524
plus shows in the archive, all ad free

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01:10:23,524 --> 01:10:25,304
and well edited and available

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to you,

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01:10:27,460 --> 01:10:29,619
as you know. But the stars really align

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here in several ways.

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And, you know, every time I have an

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interview that covers this sort of material, I

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mention that 2 week trip in Armenia I

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took on the Graham Hancock tour.

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Also, remember that 3 part video is available

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on YouTube for free on my channel.

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I chaptered it out by site. I think

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there's, like, 5 sites in each one.

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But it is a great breakdown of the

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interesting things that I saw on that trip

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01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:58,710
that never really get talked about, including a

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buried step pyramid, etcetera, etcetera.

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But I only bring that up to say

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I have been on one of these kinds

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of research trips. It was one of the

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01:11:07,635 --> 01:11:10,774
first things I did with my newfound freedom

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from the day job.

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But if I could do it again, Andrew

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Collins and Hugh Newman would be my picks

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as the tour guides I would want.

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You can actually notice in the Armenia videos

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that our actual Armenian guides were way more

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01:11:26,619 --> 01:11:29,279
out there and willing to talk about strange

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01:11:29,340 --> 01:11:32,060
things, like where giant bones were buried and

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01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:34,079
legends and a lot of great stuff

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that Graham sort of brushed off. Wasn't interested

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in that.

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So I just think Andrew and Hugh are

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way more

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my speed.

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But I am reminded that we went to

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this one monastery

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01:11:48,104 --> 01:11:49,500
out on a cliffside. We had to take

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01:11:49,500 --> 01:11:51,979
an air tram kind of thing. I think

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01:11:51,979 --> 01:11:53,819
they said one of the longest of its

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01:11:53,819 --> 01:11:54,800
kind on Earth.

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01:11:55,260 --> 01:11:56,960
And we got up to this Tadev

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01:11:57,340 --> 01:11:59,439
Monastery. And these are some hardcore,

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01:12:00,539 --> 01:12:01,840
almost esoteric,

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01:12:02,814 --> 01:12:03,314
isolated,

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black robed Christians.

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01:12:06,255 --> 01:12:09,314
But they have this stone monument, a huge

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01:12:09,375 --> 01:12:11,234
pillar. I believe it was, like,

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15 feet high, I would guess.

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01:12:15,070 --> 01:12:17,470
And the pillar was said to move. And

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01:12:17,470 --> 01:12:19,150
our tour guide tried to get us a

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01:12:19,150 --> 01:12:21,250
demonstration, and they shot that down.

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01:12:21,710 --> 01:12:23,869
But I was reminded of that because there

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01:12:23,869 --> 01:12:26,689
is apparently this moving pillar in the Carahindepe

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01:12:27,470 --> 01:12:27,970
complex.

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I don't know if we even talked about

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01:12:30,435 --> 01:12:31,954
that, but it's in the book a good

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01:12:31,954 --> 01:12:34,534
amount, and it gets mentioned in Karahhentepay

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01:12:35,314 --> 01:12:35,814
conversation.

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01:12:36,195 --> 01:12:38,135
So maybe a lot of you are familiar.

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01:12:39,155 --> 01:12:40,935
But this TATEV Monastery

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01:12:41,235 --> 01:12:43,659
had something like that, and it's said to

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01:12:43,659 --> 01:12:44,720
detect earthquakes

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01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:45,680
and

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01:12:46,619 --> 01:12:49,119
be able to be swayed just with consciousness

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01:12:49,420 --> 01:12:49,920
alone.

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01:12:50,539 --> 01:12:52,560
You know how it goes. Rumors and speculation.

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01:12:52,699 --> 01:12:54,300
But this is a little bit from the

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01:12:54,300 --> 01:12:55,520
Wikipedia page.

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01:12:56,154 --> 01:12:59,514
The pendulous column or swinging column is a

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01:12:59,514 --> 01:13:02,635
monument dedicated to the holy trinity. It's located

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01:13:02,635 --> 01:13:05,054
in the south of the cathedral. It compromises

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01:13:05,274 --> 01:13:07,614
a column about 8 meters tall,

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01:13:08,154 --> 01:13:09,854
crowned with a cracklar

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01:13:10,234 --> 01:13:11,135
type cross.

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01:13:11,820 --> 01:13:13,899
The column has been dated to the 10th

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01:13:13,899 --> 01:13:16,220
century. The cross is no earlier than the

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01:13:16,220 --> 01:13:19,100
18th century, but its form may be based

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01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:21,439
on an earlier example built in the year

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906.

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01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:26,539
This unique structure stands at a total height

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01:13:26,539 --> 01:13:27,555
of 9 meters.

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Doing the conversion 9 meters is, like, 30

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01:13:31,375 --> 01:13:31,875
feet,

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01:13:32,654 --> 01:13:35,055
and they call it Gavazan. And they say

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01:13:35,055 --> 01:13:38,114
what sets Gavazan apart is its remarkable ability

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01:13:38,255 --> 01:13:41,454
to sway or swing without collapsing, making it

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01:13:41,454 --> 01:13:42,239
the only structure in the

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01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,940
complex to have survived the test of time,

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01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:47,619
remaining intact

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01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:48,980
despite centuries

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of existence.

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01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,060
So if they're saying it's the only structure

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01:13:53,119 --> 01:13:55,600
in the complex to have survived the test

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01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,340
of time,

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01:13:57,135 --> 01:13:58,895
I wonder if the pillar was here a

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01:13:58,895 --> 01:14:01,215
lot longer and the monastery was just built

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01:14:01,215 --> 01:14:03,215
around it. But check that out. It's a

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01:14:03,215 --> 01:14:05,135
fun rabbit hole to get into what that

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01:14:05,135 --> 01:14:06,034
pillar is about.

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01:14:06,414 --> 01:14:08,255
Or you can just watch my part of

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01:14:08,255 --> 01:14:09,074
that video,

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01:14:09,375 --> 01:14:10,594
Tatev Monastery.

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01:14:11,789 --> 01:14:13,869
I don't know. Just maybe another example of

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01:14:13,869 --> 01:14:16,989
an ancient stone pillar with kind of weird

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01:14:16,989 --> 01:14:17,489
qualities

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01:14:17,909 --> 01:14:18,409
that

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01:14:18,829 --> 01:14:19,809
I actually saw.

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01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:22,909
Anyway, I do think we covered a ton

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01:14:22,909 --> 01:14:24,909
of ground, and it was just great to

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01:14:24,909 --> 01:14:26,929
get his thoughts on a number of subjects.

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01:14:28,005 --> 01:14:30,484
Hopefully, the response is strong, so he won't

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01:14:30,484 --> 01:14:32,324
be able to pass up a chance to

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01:14:32,324 --> 01:14:34,804
return. That's the way it goes. Help me

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01:14:34,804 --> 01:14:36,885
help you. Because I think there's a lot

2045
01:14:36,885 --> 01:14:38,984
more material there I'd love to get into.

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01:14:39,364 --> 01:14:41,765
But in higher side news, really just stay

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01:14:41,765 --> 01:14:44,269
in the course. As I've been saying, I've

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01:14:44,269 --> 01:14:47,090
added the new closing songs to the individual

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01:14:47,229 --> 01:14:49,389
show pages. You don't have to be a

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01:14:49,389 --> 01:14:51,710
plus member. Just download the MP 3 from

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01:14:51,710 --> 01:14:54,109
the episode show notes if you want. Today's

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01:14:54,109 --> 01:14:55,090
is pretty fun.

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01:14:55,704 --> 01:14:57,304
And as we do, we take a look

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01:14:57,304 --> 01:14:59,085
at the last episode rating.

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01:14:59,944 --> 01:15:03,324
This episode, in particular, was largely Reddit focused

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01:15:03,545 --> 01:15:05,085
with Magnaura 7.

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01:15:05,864 --> 01:15:08,284
I had no idea where we would be.

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01:15:08,449 --> 01:15:10,930
Was not sure how much overlap there was

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01:15:10,930 --> 01:15:13,670
between THC and Reddit users, but

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01:15:14,210 --> 01:15:16,210
it hit a bit better than I thought.

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01:15:16,210 --> 01:15:16,710
4.7.

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01:15:18,130 --> 01:15:21,010
Clearly, a great majority of plus people found

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01:15:21,010 --> 01:15:21,750
it interesting.

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01:15:22,755 --> 01:15:24,274
So glad that's the case because it was

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01:15:24,274 --> 01:15:25,255
a bit of an unknown.

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01:15:25,875 --> 01:15:27,554
Glad we all had a good time. And

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01:15:27,554 --> 01:15:29,094
as for the meetup calendar,

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01:15:30,034 --> 01:15:33,015
we got February 1st, coming in hot, Conway

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01:15:33,395 --> 01:15:37,670
Pub in Conway, Washington. February 3rd, Galbraith's Ale

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01:15:37,670 --> 01:15:41,109
House in Auckland, New Zealand. February 7th, Bunk

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01:15:41,109 --> 01:15:43,350
Bar in Portland, Oregon. I think that's a

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01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:44,010
new one.

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01:15:44,949 --> 01:15:48,810
February 8th, McCall Collective Tap House in Brarensville,

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01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:50,090
Pennsylvania.

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01:15:51,395 --> 01:15:54,914
And also February 8th, Carrollton, Texas, 3 Nations

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01:15:54,914 --> 01:15:56,694
Brewery. Pretty sure that's new.

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01:15:57,234 --> 01:16:00,274
February 10th, Santa Fe, New Mexico, Roots and

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01:16:00,274 --> 01:16:02,055
Leaves, and February 15th,

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01:16:02,755 --> 01:16:03,895
h two Booster

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01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:05,460
in Vlissingen,

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01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:06,260
Netherlands.

2082
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,239
Very awesome to see a pretty full calendar

2083
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:12,659
of events all over the place, just THC

2084
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:13,939
listeners getting together.

2085
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,640
If you can form a network or any

2086
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,960
kind of friendships or bonds based on that

2087
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:19,859
common ground,

2088
01:16:20,505 --> 01:16:21,485
That's pretty impressive,

2089
01:16:22,185 --> 01:16:23,625
and I love that people are out there

2090
01:16:23,625 --> 01:16:24,125
trying.

2091
01:16:24,585 --> 01:16:26,284
Go over to higher side meetups.com

2092
01:16:26,744 --> 01:16:29,485
to get more details on any event, RSVP,

2093
01:16:30,104 --> 01:16:32,845
or make your own. But that's the show.

2094
01:16:33,289 --> 01:16:35,289
Really fun and out there stuff we got

2095
01:16:35,289 --> 01:16:37,050
into today. Not a lot of people I

2096
01:16:37,050 --> 01:16:38,750
could have that conversation with.

2097
01:16:39,050 --> 01:16:41,369
When people ask me about my religious views,

2098
01:16:41,369 --> 01:16:43,710
I'll just share this episode with them because

2099
01:16:44,409 --> 01:16:45,630
close enough. Right?

2100
01:16:46,155 --> 01:16:48,635
With that said, do take care. Thanks again

2101
01:16:48,635 --> 01:16:51,114
to Andrew for his time and to you

2102
01:16:51,114 --> 01:16:51,774
for listening.

2103
01:16:52,395 --> 01:16:53,835
I'll see you on the next one. I've

2104
01:16:53,835 --> 01:16:54,814
done my part.

2105
01:16:55,114 --> 01:16:58,829
Your move, religion starting spirits, ritually revealed plasma

2106
01:16:58,829 --> 01:17:01,550
beans, and the great snake genius in the

2107
01:17:01,550 --> 01:17:02,050
sky.

2108
01:17:03,149 --> 01:17:03,649
You're

2109
01:17:27,239 --> 01:17:28,219
And it's happened

2110
01:17:28,679 --> 01:17:30,460
to the stars align.

2111
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:32,859
You'll try to call.

2112
01:17:57,220 --> 01:17:58,039
Up the stones

2113
01:17:58,659 --> 01:18:00,280
and just following the plan.

2114
01:18:01,220 --> 01:18:04,439
According to a ritual we could barely understand,

2115
01:18:04,819 --> 01:18:06,119
we were so curious

2116
01:18:06,979 --> 01:18:08,760
we just couldn't put it down.

2117
01:18:09,460 --> 01:18:12,204
When the steps were all complete, we gathered

2118
01:18:12,204 --> 01:18:12,704
around

2119
01:18:13,564 --> 01:18:14,465
and it said,

2120
01:18:15,005 --> 01:18:16,784
the stars align,

2121
01:18:17,244 --> 01:18:19,024
we'll try to call.

2122
01:18:36,525 --> 01:18:37,185
College if

2123
01:18:37,564 --> 01:18:38,784
you can receive it.

2124
01:18:42,445 --> 01:18:42,945
Bang

2125
01:18:43,405 --> 01:18:45,725
the drum and take the brew just like

2126
01:18:45,725 --> 01:18:48,864
we've instructed you, and this strange conscious

2127
01:18:49,689 --> 01:18:50,909
connection will

2128
01:18:51,289 --> 01:18:51,789
ensue.

2129
01:19:09,734 --> 01:19:11,994
When the stars align,

2130
01:19:12,454 --> 01:19:14,154
we'll try to

2131
01:19:17,734 --> 01:19:19,610
call. Come to

2132
01:19:19,989 --> 01:19:22,489
the shrine, open the portal.

2133
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:27,850
We'll give you knowledge,

2134
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:30,170
take it or leave it.

2135
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:33,930
From the cosmic college, if you can receive

2136
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:34,810
it.