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Alright, guys. Look. We know what this is.

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It's my pre show pitch to try to

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And this is a format I've been using

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for 10 years now, so I realize that

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most people who see the value have already

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pulled the trigger on it, but now I'm

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trying to get deep down into those hard

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to reach places and I guess that's you.

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Now what can I say that hasn't been

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said there's only a few ways of podcast

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works? The big 1 is ads, they suck,

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they ruined the flow of the show and

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in a lot of cases, they erode the

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trust and respect I have for hosts that

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go this route. They shouldn't be promoting boner

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pills and hair pills or in encouraging a

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fast track through the therapy pipeline just because

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they're getting paid. I've seen nutritional break down

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some of these ingredients in the athletic health

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powder and drinks and so surprise. They're not

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as good as they claim to be. I

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bought a razor, my favorite podcast said would

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be Nick Proof. Nick myself the first day.

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I got sucked into a foam mattress from

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a guy who said he's never slept better,

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and I haven't slept good sense. And that

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Irish titles thing everyone was selling turned out

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to be a complete scam too. But enough

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about how my colleagues mouths are for sale

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to whoever asks, I'm here to put you

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in this plus membership today. 5 shows a

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month for 8 bucks with a decade long

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archive. And yes, the first hour is important.

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It's there to present our guests to the

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wide counter culture open minded audience we've cultivated,

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and it gives people a feel for if

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they like what Thc is,

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as well as being the proof of concept

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that I can do a lot more with

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the added time. Feel The second hour is

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so I can make a living and it's

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also an opportunity to get into the stuff

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your standard 1 hour shows can't. Asking guests,

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about that obscure provocative quote from their book

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that I actually read, talking about previous work

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they might have done, getting their thoughts on

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some odd subject doubts side of their latest

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material or maybe even talking about something too

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spicy to be out there in the open.

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And that should appeal to anyone who enjoys

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the first hour and when you become a

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plus member, these full episodes are all there

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in a single 2 hour file, no switching

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back and forth or downloading 2 separate halves

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of the same interview. Full It's very nice

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to have it that way going forward. And

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if you wanna go back, unlike most podcast

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archives that are just a big chronological list,

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The higher side chats dot com has categories

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and scrolling displays much like the big streaming

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services, and it's all optimized for mobile, and

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you can even download the files for offline

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Find some old ones you liked and refresh

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your memory by starting at the beginning or

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jump in about 50 minutes to hear everything

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that would be new to you. I'm even

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gonna be pulling 1 free plus show a

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month out of the archive and into the

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free feed to give you an even better

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sense of what you miss. The on comment

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section is pretty lively, and the rating system

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is there to let me know the shows

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plus people like best. You also get lifetime

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access to the forum and acts us to

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a bonus page of exclusive interviews I've done

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here and there. Bonus content from other shows

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Closing cover songs I've had made. But that's

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not all folks. Plus members also get a

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discount code for T Mer. A lot of

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great artwork of aliens, summon rituals, hollow earth

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put on shirts, coffee mugs, pillows, yada yada

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yada. But it's the ongoing full interviews people

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want and its convenience that they need. Well,

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I know 90 percent of listeners are in

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a podcast podcasting app right now. So, at

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the top of the show notes, there are

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the sign up blanks. The form is quick

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and easy and Thc plus has an Rs

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feed like any other show and it can

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be used with all the big podcasting apps

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too. I've got support documents and real non

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bought people to help you if you need

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it. But it's been made as easy as

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it can and you get a 7 day

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free trial to make sure I'm right, at

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least meet me there. I also have a

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patreon link at the top of the show

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notes which I don't love. I'd rather not

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have a middle man between us when we

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could be dancing and cheek to cheek, but

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they are a spotify partner and a lot

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of people choose Spotify to listen to Thc.

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So I wanted to make sure they could

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use it for plus also while they let

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us. The show notes also give you my

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Po box for cash, check or business to

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business barter as well as all the crypto

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addresses because anything is better than nothing. And

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I want the plus shows to be heard

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anyway they can be just offer me some

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kind of exchange, You know? This is the

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job I work at, and I use this

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example a lot, but a waiter gets an

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8 dollar tip for walking the most forget

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meal of your life from the kitchen to

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the table and you don't get anything extra

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for your 8 dollars either. If what I

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do here isn't at least worth that, Is

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it even worth your time? Hey, I don't

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like doing this part of the job, but

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I owe it to my family now to

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suck it up and make my case while

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I can because who knows how long this

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can last?

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I'm not some Hollywood millionaire trying to appear

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genuine through a focus grouped podcasting venture cycling

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through all the other celebrities in the agency,

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I'm just a regular guy who had to

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make myself valuable when the working world didn't

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think I had anything to offer. And I

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hope the first free hour proves that the

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full experience is worth the price. If we

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don't like the ad revenue based world we're

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living in then we have to support people

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who dare to do it a different way

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who provide does something interesting entertaining and hopefully

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Outside of that, I just ask that you

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support the guests to resonate with you or

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at least let them know you appreciated what

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you heard. And that's it. We can get

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on with the show, and we'll let the

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rest of the podcasting world pretend there's no

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better way to do it than dis genuinely

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piping up any product that cuts them a

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check while we do our own thing. Meet

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me on the plus side, the water's fine

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and enjoy.

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The plan pup and masters

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almost surely have a plan.

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There's clearly may be something there beyond the

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realm of man, but until you've thoroughly test

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did every last

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chest view.

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Furthermore the more you think you know less

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you really do.

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Where would we be

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Because we know their love into us just

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don't know to what degree. Yeah. Where would

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Auntie

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the higher side jets show,

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It's the end of the world as we

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know it, but I feel fine from the

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Sunshine state, I'm Greg Carl wood and we

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regularly ponder what is this earthly habitat?

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Is it a malnourished

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extremely exploited an almost unrecognizable garden of Eden?

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A barren an exhausted shadow of its original

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grand design just waiting to be stored to

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former glory?

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Maybe a material sandbox for spirit to experience

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a wider spectrum of experience before coming home

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to the God had to report. Store or

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some say, perhaps we've been trapped in a

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fallen state ignorant of a greater reality held

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hostage by our own limited senses and unknowingly

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incurring the wrath of false gods that have

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given into their own insanity,

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and we might ask if we even truly

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Maybe we've become too comfortable within the con

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of our limitations in the real horror is

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a and absolute freedom?

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Would we have the stones to confront our

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to the grand illusion and wade into the

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dark unknown waters of the greater truth beyond.

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Would we have the courage to walk through

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the big door at the edge of everything

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if it ever did open for us?

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Well, these are the thoughts and mu of

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many outsiders who dared to question the authorities

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of their day and bravely buck the harsh

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embrace of so called divine king ships not

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so loving arms, often at the cost of

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their own lives,

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and we remember these groups throughout time as

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Connected and held together only by commonalities

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in their conclusions to big questions and their

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unwavering commitment to never bending the fucking knee.

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And you know I say cheers to that

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and cheers to today's returning guest Miguel Connor.

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The self described garage philosopher hedge theologian and

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general mad across the waters.

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You know him as the pope of no

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podcasting with Bite radio and the author of

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2 volumes of voice of no ism, as

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well as the post apocalyptic

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vampire Epic series, the dark instinct trilogy and

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the fantasy novel, the execution daughter.

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He's a true fellow traveler on the long

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trail of Taboo and radical thoughts and ideas.

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The system says did dare not think.

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Our no times time keeper and curator of

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the virtual Alexandria, Miguel. Welcome back.

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Crown control to major Tom. Thanks for having

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me back. I think the stars are aligned,

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whether we're gonna get K

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or Sophia, I think we'll find out in

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this interview.

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Indeed. And this is a real pleasure. I

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can't believe it's been 7 years since the

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first time we did this way back in

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the much simpler times of 20 17.

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Obviously, long overdue, but 1 of the main

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catalysts for this is your upcoming conference, Astro

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This time, I'm focusing on Sofia and simulated

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realities in Wheaton in Illinois, August ninth and

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tenth. I'm actually going to get out of

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the house for this 1 to meet you,

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Chris K, Stephen the Spider Snyder, Mitch H,

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more people who I enjoy their work and

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would like to interview all in the same

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weekend. Some of my favorite cell in this

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false reality, but give people the pitch. What's

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this all about?

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Well, I mean, as you and I know,

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we have benefited in this Internet age. We

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can bitch all we want, but it is

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such an amazing gift, almost a miracle that

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we can interact

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online. We can share ideas online.

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The world is both a better and worse

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place because of it.

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Very grateful, but at the end of the

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day, it's just pixels. I I see you.

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You see me. Your audience you, but It

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is completely

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fake.

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So a little bit less fake is always

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gonna be getting together making the connections creating

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the real no or the real

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intense ideas are shared,

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presentations, but in the hallways at the parties

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when everybody sort of smoking and drinking their

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stuff and... Hello. So basically, I started this

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unique and soul

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conference, and I actually... It was a friend

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of mine, Ivan who lives in Mexico.

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He's an expert at the yi ching, and

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1 day years ago, he said let's, hey.

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I just got this message from the Oracle.

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You should do an no conference,

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spring E equifax everything was still locked down.

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You know, you still had to wear masks

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on the plane. You still had to get

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tests. I mean, it was almost insanity. They

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told us and the oracle told him do

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it in cancun.

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So he did, and it was a success.

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Sometimes he syncs work like you showing up

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Gordon was traveling that area from Australia, so

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he was a speaker.

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Chris was able to go. We got a

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good group, and we went see the pyramids.

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We had the party, so it was awesome.

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So we did 1 last year at the

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society,

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here in Wheaton Illinois because the energy there

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is amazing and their library, their gardens. I

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mean, you could feel the energy, and we

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did our second 1 on the Arch archives

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big success. So now we're doing the third

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1, on, as you said, Sophia simulated realities

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We got a great group. As he said,

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we got Chris Know, Steven Snyder. We got

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Richard Sm, Mitch H. We got professors,

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whose expertise is Ai and where the Occult

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Ai, we've got

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astro, will also have workshops, interactive workshops,

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and meditations because you wanna make it as

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a experiential as possible,

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so you will get those altered states

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there'll be some terror readings and other

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fun stuff authors will be their signing books,

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and we will have a social event afterwards,

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which is always just a lot of fun

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and it's, again, these connections are so powerful

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and they stay with you for a long

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time. So.

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Just trying to keep it real or at

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least another form of reality, which is the

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face to face talk as you know in

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your show, they wanna keep us separated. They

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want us sit our house is, they want

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divide and conquer and for us to order

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online, never leave our homes,

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isolated,

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so they can mine

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our brains and this is just 1 way

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to, you know, fight the empire.

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I love it. Yeah. If you don't go,

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The empire wins people,

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guess if we can't get past the big

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simulation, at least we can transcend the digital

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1. I love it.

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So last time we did the no system

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01:01 stuff, but I was thinking more about

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the seriousness of it all, and when we

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talked about the Seth or the Cath?

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These are groups of people who really are

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the original conspiracy theorist at a time when

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kings and priest classes would kill you for

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even having alternative takes on reality or doubting

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the dominant paradigm of the day.

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And oftentimes that is what happened and were

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left to learn about these people, usually from

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the ones who slaughtered them in mass. Right?

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Yes s indeed, I, the No 2000 years

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ago

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were talking about ugg, we live in a

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simulation. Oh, there's the shadowy figures that are

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pulling the strings. Oh, the individual is this

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complex.

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This complex universe within itself that needs to

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be explored.

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There should be a divine feminine in christianity

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for balance sake and we forgotten the ancient

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God like A asu and a knot, and

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they were saying these things and they were

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branded as narcissist

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insane

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All of that in suddenly 2000 years later,

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they seem to be vin, Greg because all

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these ideas are very except even scientific

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when you think about it. So

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that's what happens when you try to pull

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the veil and that's what happened to the

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no as you said about being individual,

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I think the secret book of John says

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we are the generation without a king and

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Clement of Alexander says the no are so

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addicted to the truth that they will never

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give an oath. They were the original ana

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kiss

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The original conspiracy theorist, they were called Paranoid

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and you guys are seeing too much in

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2000 years ago by the Church Fathers.

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And as Chris K very astute says they

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were History's industry's first Ufo cult.

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As Eric Davis says, they had sci f

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sen

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about

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universes of light and these creatures in the

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behind the stars that are controlling us, so

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My work is to show how relevant and

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powerful these non stick ideas are and of

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course, as we talk before the interview, I

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like to show that They also had a

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dark side when I tell people and people

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don't accept in this divide conquered to a

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list it is that

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You is right, everything casts a shadow. Everything

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has its dark side, Christianity

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islam, atheism.

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You and I have shadows. It's a cosmic

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law,

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and nothing is completely good and completely bad.

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In the os system despite its ability to

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break through

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reality and champion,

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the

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individuality in the d of every human being,

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of course, it has a dark side.

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Mh.

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Well said, and for all Jordan Peterson faults,

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1 thing I always liked that he said

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was that you can't really truly be good

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unless you've wrestled with your shadow and you

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recognize your capacity for evil or just say

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doing damage.

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If you don't understand the capacity

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and your ability to really wreak havoc on

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the people around you, then you're just naive.

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And we all know people who are good

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hearted, good nature and kind of simple,

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and it's like, well, that's what he's talking

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about there as opposed to someone who's maybe

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had a reckless youth

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and, you know, tore through a few bad

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relationships and

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did their fair share damage should then realize,

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oh, shit. I'm actually pretty powerful. I actually

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can hurt people really badly, and I don't

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want to do that. So now I'm gonna

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rise to the occasion of being a better

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person. I think that makes a lot of

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sense. And these agnostic

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peoples, they didn't want a corrupt

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liaison to enlightenment. They want a direct experience,

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and I think that's a noble thing.

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And I brought this up early because there's

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a perspective in conspiracy culture today that considers

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the modern elite

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orientation to be sick. They seek the stolen

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gifts of prometheus and through science and technology,

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seek to up end

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God's creation quote unquote, the mark of the

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beast is the smartphone or the vaccine passport

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to the qr code, and the space programs

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are all trying to jail break this reality

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as futile as it might be. But when

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we see the disdain

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that human elite have for life

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nature, the ecosystem, it becomes

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very evil or at least means spirited,

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but if this is a simulated reality, a

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false reality under the thumb of false insane

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gods and icons, does it even matter if

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they're trying to tinker under the hood of

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a false reality.

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In a way it kinda doesn't.

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Yeah. That's the argument that you could make

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but I don't see it as

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valid. I mean,

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again, it's the old saying, don't watch what

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they say watch what they do.

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And

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historically, the are the most echo friendly of

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western culture.

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I mean, the manic would not walk on

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grass because they felt God was in every

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blade of grass and the completely

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vegetarian.

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The Cath

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and the manic and others thought that The

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divine spark was in a every animal and

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some thought it was in every rock or

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stone.

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Nature was indeed

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They weren't pant. There were a pen In

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other words, God is in everything. He's imminent

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in everything.

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So our job is humans is to bring

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that d out and each other

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and and

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the entire world, jail break, the divine part

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of the world, and you could take it

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as literally or metaphorically as you want?

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That's up to you.

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Tell people your mileage may vary.

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So they were at Pac they were vegetarian,

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and we hear from the in and church

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fathers, they were the nicest people, the cath

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were called the good ones.

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They cared about their community and all that.

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So it was their ideas

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and the rituals that really

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the powers that b thought were dangerous. So

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the idea that

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reject or hate the world. They hate it

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false worlds. That's what they kept pushing. And

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they kept saying, look, the world in front

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of you is not real. You're not real.

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There's a deeper part of you and nate

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sure that you're not looking at. Sure. We

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can look at a nice sunset or you

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can look at the beach.

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But there's much more. You're not looking at

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the full reality. There is a deeper d

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that brings a sense of x to ecstasy,

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but there's also a deeper suffering

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that we mostly miss we can look in

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nature of people and not see how they're

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suffering.

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And if we don't see how they're suffering,

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we can't take the steps to help him

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and heal them, na,

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At his core as April to iconic and

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other scholars that said was a about healing,

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healing your mind, healing the world,

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and healing your soul,

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and healing people's physical body, some of the

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rituals was just 2000 years ago just sitting

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around talking about your problems.

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And the other 1 too was to be

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fully human, people think that the no sticks

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were about, oh, I'm gonna escape the world

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and fly away. Now is you made contact

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with this alien God

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and this alien god transformed you into human.

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It was the her who said that We

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humans have a special place in this universe.

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We are not the Gods, but we're not

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animals.

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We are the mediator. We are where the

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fallen angel meets the rising 8. Borrowing from

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a a writer. So when we know our

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place in this universe, when we're fully human,

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we can change things so well in a

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way that the gods and the animals will

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appreciate our role in the universe. I hope

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I didn't go too much an attention. They're

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gray.

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No. That's really interesting to me because I

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think there is a perspective where a lot

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of people

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take this logical track of well No think

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we're in a simulation and thus,

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they don't respect it and wanna break it

538
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and the simulation is the world we know.

539
00:21:10,052 --> 00:21:11,486
The physical world we know. So...

540
00:21:12,202 --> 00:21:14,433
It is true. It's interesting though to hear

541
00:21:14,433 --> 00:21:16,678
that they actually had reverence for it they

542
00:21:16,678 --> 00:21:18,614
just were trying to say, no. There's stuff

543
00:21:18,672 --> 00:21:19,571
underneath. There's a

544
00:21:20,666 --> 00:21:22,820
connectivity to everything and maybe a bit of

545
00:21:22,820 --> 00:21:25,372
an an perspective, and that's maybe what they

546
00:21:25,372 --> 00:21:26,090
were trying to.

547
00:21:26,901 --> 00:21:27,220
Express.

548
00:21:28,015 --> 00:21:31,039
Very true because for the origins of g

549
00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:33,528
ism since we last talked, I think Scholarship

550
00:21:33,586 --> 00:21:36,380
is putting them more into ancient Egypt. They

551
00:21:36,380 --> 00:21:37,356
were the carriers

552
00:21:37,888 --> 00:21:41,540
of these ancient Egyptian mysteries that really expanded

553
00:21:41,540 --> 00:21:42,278
your consciousness.

554
00:21:43,304 --> 00:21:44,825
But the other 1 too is that the

555
00:21:44,825 --> 00:21:46,284
no were smuggling

556
00:21:46,744 --> 00:21:50,284
this ancient an spirit of ash asu

557
00:21:50,758 --> 00:21:53,781
and a knot and other spirit that were

558
00:21:53,781 --> 00:21:56,190
suppressed by the cult of Y when Judaism

559
00:21:56,486 --> 00:21:56,804
decided.

560
00:21:57,773 --> 00:22:00,583
During the rings of king, Jo and He,

561
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,791
they decide alright. We want the cult of

562
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:06,136
Y this male, powerful God to be it.

563
00:22:07,109 --> 00:22:10,170
And they suppressed Shi in the ancient an

564
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:14,070
and shamanism of solomon and the prophets and

565
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:14,845
all that and

566
00:22:15,521 --> 00:22:18,070
Some say like Margaret Barker, who's 1 of

567
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:22,212
the greatest biblical scholars of today that basically

568
00:22:22,212 --> 00:22:22,712
the

569
00:22:23,327 --> 00:22:23,827
hid

570
00:22:24,219 --> 00:22:27,245
Ash in this magic and then brought it

571
00:22:27,245 --> 00:22:29,474
out during the g Roman times,

572
00:22:30,191 --> 00:22:32,284
and basically, Sophia is a,

573
00:22:33,072 --> 00:22:36,354
Christ is the original concert of Ash asu

574
00:22:36,649 --> 00:22:39,828
before it got changed around and the Ae

575
00:22:39,828 --> 00:22:42,889
are just the ancient spirits of this an

576
00:22:43,109 --> 00:22:45,509
world that the hebrews lived in and they

577
00:22:45,509 --> 00:22:48,069
were sort of smuggling them around through Jesus

578
00:22:48,069 --> 00:22:50,765
through Simon Mag through Mary Mag. So

579
00:22:51,281 --> 00:22:52,949
I think that's an interesting theory and like,

580
00:22:53,028 --> 00:22:55,015
and I'm just mentioning because you did say

581
00:22:55,015 --> 00:22:57,795
an is yes. And Gordon would agree. There

582
00:22:57,795 --> 00:22:58,613
is an an.

583
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,200
Sense to the au when Gordon and Talk,

584
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,440
we say, yeah, but they really went for

585
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,460
the tricks part of shamanism

586
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,160
to them When you read that Os Gospel

587
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:12,890
Jesus Sophia, they fall into the tricks mentality.

588
00:23:13,207 --> 00:23:13,366
So,

589
00:23:14,239 --> 00:23:15,929
originally also they really

590
00:23:16,398 --> 00:23:18,870
perhaps it was set, perhaps it was hermes,

591
00:23:19,189 --> 00:23:22,002
perhaps it was some tricks spirit, but that's

592
00:23:22,140 --> 00:23:24,235
where they leaned into was the tricks

593
00:23:24,692 --> 00:23:25,010
mentality.

594
00:23:25,664 --> 00:23:26,142
Mh.

595
00:23:26,861 --> 00:23:29,276
Yeah. I think this is really useful because

596
00:23:29,334 --> 00:23:32,127
the conspiracy minded person, I think sometimes gets

597
00:23:32,127 --> 00:23:32,627
paranoid

598
00:23:33,258 --> 00:23:35,247
about am I on the right team? Am

599
00:23:35,406 --> 00:23:37,974
I falling for some deception? Am I being

600
00:23:38,110 --> 00:23:39,994
tricked and inc into a

601
00:23:40,751 --> 00:23:43,381
bad mythos and a bad way of looking

602
00:23:43,381 --> 00:23:45,453
at the world, and it's really hard to

603
00:23:45,453 --> 00:23:48,199
unravel because history is full of just propaganda

604
00:23:48,653 --> 00:23:49,710
and mis,

605
00:23:50,721 --> 00:23:53,426
and you have to put these people in

606
00:23:53,426 --> 00:23:55,694
their time in place like There's an argument

607
00:23:55,753 --> 00:23:58,391
to say that most of western society, the

608
00:23:58,391 --> 00:23:58,891
history

609
00:23:59,350 --> 00:24:01,847
of authority kind of boils down to

610
00:24:02,227 --> 00:24:03,286
trying to mono

611
00:24:04,876 --> 00:24:07,499
people's thoughts largely about the spiritual,

612
00:24:08,294 --> 00:24:11,156
you know, Christianity and catholicism for a long

613
00:24:11,156 --> 00:24:13,794
period of time and killing off any competition

614
00:24:13,794 --> 00:24:15,009
to this narrow

615
00:24:15,383 --> 00:24:17,609
perspective where we will be the liaison to

616
00:24:17,609 --> 00:24:18,427
your enlightenment

617
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,460
and

618
00:24:20,406 --> 00:24:23,349
I think that's pretty valid as a perspective,

619
00:24:23,508 --> 00:24:26,054
but when you put these people back in

620
00:24:26,054 --> 00:24:26,554
their

621
00:24:27,103 --> 00:24:29,494
time in place. That rebellion makes perfect sense.

622
00:24:29,733 --> 00:24:32,762
It was a bloody, deadly time for anyone

623
00:24:32,762 --> 00:24:34,276
who dared challenged the paradigm.

624
00:24:34,849 --> 00:24:37,567
But today because we are kind of free

625
00:24:37,567 --> 00:24:38,786
to have most

626
00:24:39,405 --> 00:24:42,122
thoughts, you see this huge contingency of the

627
00:24:42,122 --> 00:24:45,434
conspiracy culture drifting towards being a good little

628
00:24:45,574 --> 00:24:48,451
conventional Christian, and that seems odd to me.

629
00:24:48,850 --> 00:24:50,469
I think we're supposed to be

630
00:24:50,848 --> 00:24:54,385
rebels, and that tendency doesn't feel very

631
00:24:54,856 --> 00:24:58,027
rebellious to me, but I could see how

632
00:24:58,027 --> 00:24:59,320
only in this little

633
00:24:59,851 --> 00:25:02,174
particular time in place it kind of

634
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,651
is because it's the opposite of atheism, which

635
00:25:05,651 --> 00:25:07,815
is kind of the dominant cy

636
00:25:08,186 --> 00:25:09,430
atheism thing, but

637
00:25:09,788 --> 00:25:11,776
If you take the longer arc of human

638
00:25:11,776 --> 00:25:14,026
history, this has been kind of the control

639
00:25:14,163 --> 00:25:15,538
mechanism, the weaponized

640
00:25:16,804 --> 00:25:19,357
philosophy of most of that story.

641
00:25:20,155 --> 00:25:22,230
Oh, yeah. I would agree. I think Greg,

642
00:25:22,469 --> 00:25:24,326
my ideas is that

643
00:25:25,198 --> 00:25:27,353
Yes. You see a lot of individuals again,

644
00:25:27,513 --> 00:25:28,572
Jordan Peterson.

645
00:25:29,589 --> 00:25:31,744
I was what's the name of the comedian?

646
00:25:31,904 --> 00:25:33,761
He was Katy Perry husband,

647
00:25:34,633 --> 00:25:37,023
Russell Brand. Russell brand, you see a 2

648
00:25:37,023 --> 00:25:40,289
with colleagues and acquaintances that really going into

649
00:25:40,608 --> 00:25:41,108
Christianity.

650
00:25:41,739 --> 00:25:44,291
And they've turned on me about no and

651
00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:46,306
I am compassion because I realized

652
00:25:46,842 --> 00:25:48,118
2016,

653
00:25:48,357 --> 00:25:50,112
I think is when this mess started. I'd

654
00:25:50,112 --> 00:25:53,173
like to say David Bowie died or whatever

655
00:25:53,229 --> 00:25:55,240
something was happening 2016,

656
00:25:55,693 --> 00:25:57,840
we got the greatest tricks of them all

657
00:25:58,078 --> 00:25:58,317
Trump.

658
00:25:59,048 --> 00:26:02,636
And then we had this fog of war

659
00:26:02,636 --> 00:26:05,746
with the lockdown downs with everything this happened.

660
00:26:05,985 --> 00:26:07,362
There was a great awakening

661
00:26:08,073 --> 00:26:10,404
But this brought a lot of chaos or

662
00:26:10,621 --> 00:26:13,010
we had to face the chaos. People had

663
00:26:13,010 --> 00:26:13,749
to see

664
00:26:14,284 --> 00:26:16,410
that our government was a lie that our

665
00:26:16,528 --> 00:26:18,668
history is a lie that we are a

666
00:26:18,668 --> 00:26:19,961
alive. That's the other

667
00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:21,125
step into,

668
00:26:21,997 --> 00:26:23,503
that is hard to swallow.

669
00:26:24,233 --> 00:26:25,907
So it makes sense that a lot of

670
00:26:25,907 --> 00:26:28,219
people would wanna go to Y in the

671
00:26:28,298 --> 00:26:30,291
Bible because he is the God of order.

672
00:26:30,610 --> 00:26:32,146
Maybe he says it. There's

673
00:26:32,699 --> 00:26:35,096
Christianity, you do these steps, you read this

674
00:26:35,096 --> 00:26:35,335
book.

675
00:26:35,975 --> 00:26:38,851
Everything's gonna work out just half faith. So

676
00:26:39,011 --> 00:26:40,782
I could see it, but I think people

677
00:26:40,782 --> 00:26:42,778
like you and I, Greg is no. We

678
00:26:42,778 --> 00:26:44,614
know how to surf the chaos. We've been

679
00:26:44,614 --> 00:26:47,248
doing it all our lives. So we don't

680
00:26:47,248 --> 00:26:48,147
have a problem

681
00:26:49,018 --> 00:26:51,354
feeling like we're fake or that our histories

682
00:26:51,652 --> 00:26:54,685
lie or going deeper into all these spirit

683
00:26:54,685 --> 00:26:56,840
and balancing them out and put it, you

684
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,561
know, We embrace the tricks to spirit,

685
00:27:00,118 --> 00:27:03,220
which leads to innovation and new ideas and

686
00:27:03,220 --> 00:27:05,967
a new world, but I can understand people

687
00:27:06,345 --> 00:27:09,697
going into, you know, greek orthodox is very

688
00:27:09,697 --> 00:27:12,490
popular in the conspiracy theory world isn't it?

689
00:27:13,144 --> 00:27:15,961
So I understand people want order because

690
00:27:16,340 --> 00:27:18,178
we live in a time of chaos of

691
00:27:18,178 --> 00:27:18,817
the tricks,

692
00:27:19,296 --> 00:27:20,595
but I to tell them

693
00:27:21,626 --> 00:27:24,019
We are just getting started. Hang on for

694
00:27:24,019 --> 00:27:26,731
the ride because don't you feel Greg, we

695
00:27:26,731 --> 00:27:28,486
are just at the tip of the iceberg

696
00:27:28,486 --> 00:27:31,234
when it comes to revelations could conspiracy

697
00:27:31,930 --> 00:27:33,922
religious. We're just getting warmed up.

698
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,871
Yeah. I do agree with that. And if

699
00:27:36,871 --> 00:27:38,306
you can't take the heat now,

700
00:27:39,038 --> 00:27:41,188
Wow. I mean, it's only gonna get hotter.

701
00:27:41,507 --> 00:27:43,339
Go to a monastery if that'll make you

702
00:27:43,339 --> 00:27:43,657
happy.

703
00:27:44,215 --> 00:27:44,932
Yeah. Yeah.

704
00:27:45,569 --> 00:27:47,502
And I also like to say we're

705
00:27:47,814 --> 00:27:51,985
exploring ideas. You cannot come to a paradigm

706
00:27:52,203 --> 00:27:53,102
or a philosophy

707
00:27:53,639 --> 00:27:55,416
with confidence if you haven't

708
00:27:55,729 --> 00:27:58,685
explored all the ideas just because I interview

709
00:27:58,685 --> 00:28:01,422
a scholar of Crowley does not mean I'm

710
00:28:01,481 --> 00:28:04,446
advocating to be A follower of Crowley, I'm

711
00:28:04,446 --> 00:28:07,231
trying to see if I've been lied to

712
00:28:07,231 --> 00:28:09,858
about this guy or if my intuitions are

713
00:28:09,858 --> 00:28:11,705
correct and We have to do that. We

714
00:28:11,705 --> 00:28:13,619
have to try on different hats to find

715
00:28:13,619 --> 00:28:15,931
the 1 that truly fits us. And if

716
00:28:15,931 --> 00:28:16,431
you're

717
00:28:17,126 --> 00:28:17,626
demon

718
00:28:18,003 --> 00:28:20,647
a person for exploring ideas. I think you're

719
00:28:20,647 --> 00:28:22,238
no better than the bad guys. You know,

720
00:28:22,477 --> 00:28:25,343
you say virtual Alexandria, this is a place

721
00:28:25,343 --> 00:28:27,014
to share ideas. You know, that's kinda your

722
00:28:27,014 --> 00:28:28,708
whole branding is, we're

723
00:28:29,656 --> 00:28:32,046
talking about here ideas. I like that you

724
00:28:32,046 --> 00:28:32,785
use here

725
00:28:33,719 --> 00:28:35,472
as like a badge of honor in a

726
00:28:35,472 --> 00:28:35,711
sense.

727
00:28:36,284 --> 00:28:38,038
And we're lucky that we have the ability

728
00:28:38,038 --> 00:28:38,996
and freedom too,

729
00:28:39,713 --> 00:28:42,127
go into those theoretical ideas, But today's theoretical

730
00:28:42,266 --> 00:28:45,318
ideas are the conspiracies, you know, because spirituality

731
00:28:45,376 --> 00:28:47,245
basically dripped out of mainstream

732
00:28:47,620 --> 00:28:49,234
culture, and now it's

733
00:28:49,689 --> 00:28:52,154
to doubt climate science to doubt,

734
00:28:53,189 --> 00:28:55,672
virus science to doubt all this kind of

735
00:28:55,672 --> 00:28:58,701
stuff. You know, you can't doubt that America's

736
00:28:58,701 --> 00:29:00,317
the good guys fighting

737
00:29:00,853 --> 00:29:03,267
the evil around the world, but let's

738
00:29:03,658 --> 00:29:06,204
bring this back to an agnostic sec that

739
00:29:06,204 --> 00:29:08,194
people know the K r's and try to

740
00:29:08,194 --> 00:29:10,422
flush this out because a lot of it

741
00:29:10,422 --> 00:29:10,875
does

742
00:29:11,312 --> 00:29:12,846
relate to their

743
00:29:13,301 --> 00:29:15,846
reputation. I've read estimates that 200000

744
00:29:15,846 --> 00:29:17,756
to a million people were killed by the

745
00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:19,449
church in the case of the Cath

746
00:29:20,236 --> 00:29:22,543
And then the church says well, we did

747
00:29:22,543 --> 00:29:24,531
that because these people were bad. They were

748
00:29:24,531 --> 00:29:26,916
doing dark evil things. And it feels like

749
00:29:26,916 --> 00:29:29,005
a recurring theme in this place that kings

750
00:29:29,005 --> 00:29:32,224
and presidents and priests and pope leave campaigns

751
00:29:32,284 --> 00:29:35,005
to slaughter, huge numbers of people that they

752
00:29:35,005 --> 00:29:37,573
can't seem to control, But because they tell

753
00:29:37,573 --> 00:29:40,701
their obedient masses that these people were savage

754
00:29:40,758 --> 00:29:43,864
indians or freedom hating terrorists or Satan Worshiping

755
00:29:43,864 --> 00:29:44,501
magic users,

756
00:29:45,074 --> 00:29:47,392
people say, oh, okay. Well, I'm glad you

757
00:29:47,392 --> 00:29:49,549
got them then because who knows what kind

758
00:29:49,549 --> 00:29:50,508
damage they could have done,

759
00:29:51,307 --> 00:29:53,645
and it's just so weird that that

760
00:29:54,278 --> 00:29:57,085
that little trick works when these the people

761
00:29:57,381 --> 00:30:00,324
doing the massive damage, brutally slaughtering huge groups

762
00:30:00,324 --> 00:30:00,983
of people

763
00:30:01,453 --> 00:30:03,999
because they're doing things their own way or

764
00:30:03,999 --> 00:30:06,148
just doing things differently and it's wild we

765
00:30:06,148 --> 00:30:07,046
accept that propaganda

766
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:08,638
when we know

767
00:30:09,349 --> 00:30:11,906
who the mass murderers are, but how does

768
00:30:11,906 --> 00:30:13,664
this play into the stories of the Cath

769
00:30:13,664 --> 00:30:14,644
r's and other

770
00:30:15,183 --> 00:30:18,000
groups that are considered no because

771
00:30:18,634 --> 00:30:20,310
From a certain perspective,

772
00:30:21,028 --> 00:30:22,326
they have a really bad

773
00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:23,183
reputation,

774
00:30:23,981 --> 00:30:25,977
and that's because when you kill a bunch

775
00:30:25,977 --> 00:30:28,061
of people and you destroy their material and

776
00:30:28,061 --> 00:30:29,490
then you get to tell the world about

777
00:30:29,490 --> 00:30:32,111
them. They usually seem bad, but I guess,

778
00:30:32,746 --> 00:30:34,913
correct the record on that and

779
00:30:35,224 --> 00:30:37,559
talk us about how we even get good

780
00:30:37,618 --> 00:30:39,533
information about these groups when so much of

781
00:30:39,533 --> 00:30:40,491
it was destroyed.

782
00:30:41,529 --> 00:30:43,959
Well, again, it just takes gathering of scholarship

783
00:30:44,095 --> 00:30:46,583
because you're right, we have no surviving Cath.

784
00:30:47,594 --> 00:30:49,582
Writing it's everything that was sent through the

785
00:30:49,582 --> 00:30:52,484
in intuit, and I should mention that The

786
00:30:52,861 --> 00:30:56,051
acquisition started with the cath cassettes. That's when

787
00:30:56,051 --> 00:30:58,785
the church really used. It was the... Their

788
00:30:58,923 --> 00:31:01,417
experiment at controlling society

789
00:31:01,968 --> 00:31:04,930
and projecting their shadow on a minority and

790
00:31:05,145 --> 00:31:07,528
grabbing their lands and and all that. They

791
00:31:07,528 --> 00:31:08,878
went to the cath cassettes, and then they

792
00:31:08,878 --> 00:31:11,182
started moving to, you know, Jews and women

793
00:31:11,182 --> 00:31:14,140
and But, whoever was in their way, classic,

794
00:31:14,299 --> 00:31:16,072
same as it ever was, but

795
00:31:16,526 --> 00:31:19,483
we know even from record that we have

796
00:31:19,483 --> 00:31:22,104
the Cath again, as I mentioned, were very

797
00:31:22,104 --> 00:31:23,931
eco friendly they were beloved,

798
00:31:24,486 --> 00:31:27,441
by their people in southern France, in that

799
00:31:27,441 --> 00:31:29,350
providence. They were enlightened.

800
00:31:29,907 --> 00:31:31,577
It was a great time in the, you

801
00:31:31,577 --> 00:31:34,145
know, 12 thirteenth century where you had ka

802
00:31:34,202 --> 00:31:35,076
and Cath sars,

803
00:31:35,889 --> 00:31:37,407
women had more rights,

804
00:31:38,205 --> 00:31:40,442
and it was just a beautiful place some

805
00:31:40,442 --> 00:31:43,090
say that A was being practiced in southern

806
00:31:43,249 --> 00:31:45,950
France I've had guests talk about magical portals,

807
00:31:46,189 --> 00:31:48,572
so it was a beautiful time, but something

808
00:31:48,572 --> 00:31:50,637
like this was just not gonna be allowed.

809
00:31:51,368 --> 00:31:54,395
To exist because again, the church was starting

810
00:31:54,395 --> 00:31:55,134
to centralize

811
00:31:55,510 --> 00:31:55,829
itself,

812
00:31:56,546 --> 00:31:58,871
and it needed to make an example out

813
00:31:58,871 --> 00:32:01,417
of people, and again, the cath and their

814
00:32:01,417 --> 00:32:04,122
ideas of pretty much how again we live

815
00:32:04,122 --> 00:32:05,236
in a simulation,

816
00:32:06,047 --> 00:32:08,513
by then, you know, a thousand years later,

817
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:10,979
the idea of the demi was lost, so

818
00:32:11,138 --> 00:32:13,621
Satan was the demi he was the creator

819
00:32:13,621 --> 00:32:15,373
of this world, they called them the king

820
00:32:15,373 --> 00:32:16,170
of this world,

821
00:32:17,046 --> 00:32:19,676
bringing in titanic, the cosmo crater,

822
00:32:20,406 --> 00:32:21,201
Rex Moon,

823
00:32:21,757 --> 00:32:24,061
and he was keeping us trapped. We were

824
00:32:24,061 --> 00:32:24,561
basically

825
00:32:25,015 --> 00:32:27,637
angels that had been convinced or dupe into

826
00:32:27,637 --> 00:32:28,352
being human.

827
00:32:29,004 --> 00:32:32,116
And through certain rituals, we get awaken into

828
00:32:32,116 --> 00:32:34,770
ourselves. The Cath qatar rejected the old testament.

829
00:32:35,547 --> 00:32:36,287
They only

830
00:32:36,999 --> 00:32:39,157
red really the gospel of John and a

831
00:32:39,157 --> 00:32:42,033
few others. There's certainly evidence that the Cath

832
00:32:42,033 --> 00:32:44,771
sars and the knights temp were rubbing shoulders

833
00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:45,570
because

834
00:32:46,362 --> 00:32:48,117
Well, there's a lot of evidence on that

835
00:32:48,117 --> 00:32:50,589
1, too, if you wanna get into it,

836
00:32:51,547 --> 00:32:54,019
and we also have reconstruction of their gospel

837
00:32:54,019 --> 00:32:55,396
bowls and their mythology

838
00:32:55,709 --> 00:32:58,018
all that. So I think it's pretty valid.

839
00:32:58,257 --> 00:33:00,328
This day and age. We've separated the wheat

840
00:33:00,328 --> 00:33:01,124
from the shaft.

841
00:33:01,841 --> 00:33:04,285
And, yeah, what we have is a complete

842
00:33:04,643 --> 00:33:07,272
horrible tragedy that should have never happened. I

843
00:33:07,272 --> 00:33:09,344
mean, the cath did not survive.

844
00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:12,372
There are rumors that some of them may,

845
00:33:12,531 --> 00:33:14,045
but for the most part, they were yet.

846
00:33:14,299 --> 00:33:15,335
Hundreds of thousands,

847
00:33:16,052 --> 00:33:18,762
including catholics were destroyed. You know that saying,

848
00:33:19,638 --> 00:33:21,711
kill them all and led god's sort amount.

849
00:33:22,203 --> 00:33:23,794
That was, I think the bishop of To

850
00:33:23,794 --> 00:33:27,294
lose or went northern French royal who said

851
00:33:27,294 --> 00:33:29,695
that, he asked the church. You know, the

852
00:33:29,695 --> 00:33:31,840
cath are mixing up with the Catholics. It's

853
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,223
kinda like today with the... You have the

854
00:33:34,461 --> 00:33:35,597
Hamas and the Palestinians

855
00:33:36,050 --> 00:33:38,295
and the bishop was like, kill him all,

856
00:33:38,535 --> 00:33:40,055
God will know his own.

857
00:33:41,095 --> 00:33:43,115
So again, this sort of rhythm

858
00:33:43,414 --> 00:33:46,630
happens throughout history as Mark Twain said, history

859
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:49,429
doesn't repeat, but it certainly rhymes, and it

860
00:33:49,429 --> 00:33:51,589
goes back to the simulation. Right, Greg. It's

861
00:33:51,589 --> 00:33:52,970
almost like there's a theme

862
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:54,390
we cannot get out of.

863
00:33:55,443 --> 00:33:58,098
Yeah. It's just so crazy how the propaganda

864
00:33:58,237 --> 00:33:59,913
works. You just say, well, they were doing

865
00:33:59,913 --> 00:34:01,909
bad things, so we slaughtered them in mass,

866
00:34:02,148 --> 00:34:03,926
burned them at the stake, and

867
00:34:04,397 --> 00:34:06,306
we saved you, and it's like, well, what

868
00:34:06,306 --> 00:34:08,214
were they doing that was worse than what

869
00:34:08,214 --> 00:34:11,021
you just did. But when we talk about

870
00:34:11,236 --> 00:34:13,565
magic, like, that's another huge

871
00:34:14,274 --> 00:34:17,245
avenue of propaganda, I would say where

872
00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:21,528
I consider it to be just like flexing

873
00:34:21,528 --> 00:34:22,347
our deeper

874
00:34:22,738 --> 00:34:23,238
largely

875
00:34:24,010 --> 00:34:26,474
muscles. That's kinda what I think magic is

876
00:34:26,474 --> 00:34:28,939
maybe sigh and mental muscles you could say.

877
00:34:29,416 --> 00:34:31,722
And obviously, authorities never want us to have

878
00:34:31,722 --> 00:34:34,599
any personal power. So it's considered an evil

879
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:36,849
taboo. We hear stories that the knights temp

880
00:34:36,907 --> 00:34:38,679
were worshiping Ba

881
00:34:39,229 --> 00:34:41,699
for power and kissing each other's assholes as

882
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:43,053
if god would care.

883
00:34:43,610 --> 00:34:45,841
And then, you know, purposely trying to offend

884
00:34:45,921 --> 00:34:48,072
God and appeal to demons who take gl

885
00:34:48,072 --> 00:34:50,244
in that but we're told this by the

886
00:34:50,244 --> 00:34:51,625
people who were torturing

887
00:34:51,925 --> 00:34:54,324
the knights temp and burning them alive and

888
00:34:54,324 --> 00:34:54,824
grinding

889
00:34:55,125 --> 00:34:58,179
their ideology down to dust. So I think

890
00:34:58,179 --> 00:35:00,099
it's pretty clear to see who the bad

891
00:35:00,099 --> 00:35:02,099
guy is in that story. But what would

892
00:35:02,099 --> 00:35:03,079
you say about

893
00:35:03,380 --> 00:35:04,920
some of these groups

894
00:35:05,314 --> 00:35:07,706
who are practicing Magic, the K r's, like,

895
00:35:07,945 --> 00:35:10,279
they're blending magic and Christianity

896
00:35:10,895 --> 00:35:12,968
in a way, At least that's the gist

897
00:35:12,968 --> 00:35:14,027
that I see

898
00:35:14,497 --> 00:35:14,997
And

899
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:17,679
that is the thing that allows the door

900
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:19,747
to open to the propaganda of well, they're

901
00:35:19,747 --> 00:35:20,702
drinking children's blood.

902
00:35:21,673 --> 00:35:23,268
And it's like, well, I think there's a

903
00:35:23,268 --> 00:35:25,045
lot of magic in between

904
00:35:25,662 --> 00:35:28,349
drinking people's blood and then something like just

905
00:35:28,469 --> 00:35:30,774
pain attention to numero neurology and astrology.

906
00:35:31,251 --> 00:35:31,967
You know, It's like,

907
00:35:32,603 --> 00:35:36,123
it reminds me of people saying, don't try

908
00:35:36,674 --> 00:35:38,352
marijuana because all of a sudden you're gonna

909
00:35:38,352 --> 00:35:39,950
be a heroin junkie, and it's like, yes.

910
00:35:40,110 --> 00:35:42,986
Some people do... There are heroin junkie. Yes.

911
00:35:43,226 --> 00:35:44,445
That is an extreme

912
00:35:44,757 --> 00:35:48,086
and magic could scale up to experimenting with

913
00:35:48,086 --> 00:35:50,963
really dark things, which I think does happen

914
00:35:51,018 --> 00:35:51,573
behind the curtain.

915
00:35:52,223 --> 00:35:54,208
But I don't know if it's these individuals

916
00:35:54,208 --> 00:35:56,059
who are doing it. You say they kinda

917
00:35:57,227 --> 00:35:58,125
committed to

918
00:35:58,578 --> 00:36:02,033
purity, ce c, and didn't indulge in earthly

919
00:36:02,248 --> 00:36:04,235
pleasures. I almost get kind of a robin

920
00:36:04,235 --> 00:36:05,054
hood vibe

921
00:36:06,223 --> 00:36:08,687
from their attitude of their day amongst their

922
00:36:08,687 --> 00:36:10,614
communities and stuff, but talk to us a

923
00:36:10,614 --> 00:36:12,695
little bit about magic and what we know

924
00:36:12,695 --> 00:36:16,235
about Cath Magic and the knights temp and

925
00:36:16,775 --> 00:36:19,028
all these people who are Christian adjacent but

926
00:36:19,028 --> 00:36:20,778
just not Christian enough and had to be

927
00:36:20,778 --> 00:36:22,529
killed off. What were they really doing with

928
00:36:22,529 --> 00:36:23,166
their magic?

929
00:36:24,041 --> 00:36:26,769
Well, yeah, for the temp, I certainly would

930
00:36:26,906 --> 00:36:29,860
recommend you take up Tracy T and Alex

931
00:36:30,178 --> 00:36:31,392
Rivera, a ba,

932
00:36:32,083 --> 00:36:35,519
secrets reveal because she makes such an excellent

933
00:36:36,145 --> 00:36:39,978
argument that ba simply means baptism of Sophia.

934
00:36:40,510 --> 00:36:42,732
And she puts this great argument that the

935
00:36:42,732 --> 00:36:44,105
temp like the Cath

936
00:36:44,494 --> 00:36:46,902
we're keeping these ancient Secrets.

937
00:36:47,596 --> 00:36:49,266
Now some of them may have been dark,

938
00:36:49,425 --> 00:36:51,588
some of it may have not been But

939
00:36:51,747 --> 00:36:53,520
I think we have to get to the

940
00:36:53,577 --> 00:36:56,782
idea of magic because what's the old saying

941
00:36:56,997 --> 00:36:57,736
we practice

942
00:36:58,111 --> 00:36:59,941
religion, they practice magic.

943
00:37:00,673 --> 00:37:02,748
Okay. What's the... You know, the Catholic mass

944
00:37:02,748 --> 00:37:03,807
is pretty magical.

945
00:37:04,983 --> 00:37:07,536
And as I think Robert Connor said magic

946
00:37:07,536 --> 00:37:08,036
is

947
00:37:08,745 --> 00:37:12,083
religion for the individual and religion is magic

948
00:37:12,083 --> 00:37:14,943
for the masses. So the term is very

949
00:37:14,943 --> 00:37:16,636
elastic and gets weaponized

950
00:37:17,343 --> 00:37:18,138
many times,

951
00:37:18,694 --> 00:37:21,079
but what is it? I agree with Gordon

952
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:23,465
White. He says magic is being a c

953
00:37:23,465 --> 00:37:24,681
creator with the universe.

954
00:37:25,627 --> 00:37:27,479
And, of course, then there's the crowley

955
00:37:28,014 --> 00:37:29,843
term, which is, you know, a change in

956
00:37:29,843 --> 00:37:32,014
consciousness in accordance to the will

957
00:37:32,483 --> 00:37:34,630
Whatever... But I think at the core,

958
00:37:35,743 --> 00:37:39,264
na since thousands of years ago were shaman.

959
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:41,729
And again, this is supported by all

960
00:37:42,277 --> 00:37:42,777
Latest

961
00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:44,206
sober scholarship.

962
00:37:44,659 --> 00:37:47,440
They were cha they were about altered states

963
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,925
of mind to reach higher worlds

964
00:37:50,474 --> 00:37:52,967
and receive the healing or

965
00:37:53,742 --> 00:37:56,612
information of these higher worlds and these higher

966
00:37:56,612 --> 00:37:58,445
beings, the aa. And, of course,

967
00:37:59,336 --> 00:38:02,120
because they were part of the Egyptian matrix,

968
00:38:02,597 --> 00:38:04,825
part of this flying out of your body,

969
00:38:05,461 --> 00:38:07,408
meant you had to deal with the den

970
00:38:07,465 --> 00:38:10,112
of the stars, these icons that control the

971
00:38:10,169 --> 00:38:12,021
dimensions and you had to give them passwords

972
00:38:12,317 --> 00:38:12,769
or

973
00:38:13,289 --> 00:38:16,086
prayers to overcome them. So it really was

974
00:38:16,086 --> 00:38:18,423
sort of this out of body journey

975
00:38:18,802 --> 00:38:21,200
to meet this alien God or the 1

976
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,945
of plato doh, whatever you wanna call it

977
00:38:24,003 --> 00:38:24,719
for healing,

978
00:38:25,436 --> 00:38:27,449
for an expansion of consciousness,

979
00:38:27,984 --> 00:38:29,656
for answers to your life,

980
00:38:30,229 --> 00:38:32,227
Whatever you wanna call it, and it wasn't

981
00:38:32,227 --> 00:38:34,624
that rare. The neo plate certainly did that,

982
00:38:34,864 --> 00:38:36,062
Mer a jews,

983
00:38:36,621 --> 00:38:37,900
the cult mit thrust,

984
00:38:38,473 --> 00:38:40,863
the mystery religions, there was a part as

985
00:38:40,943 --> 00:38:43,811
They say of every religion where, you know,

986
00:38:43,970 --> 00:38:45,802
there's 1 side who just wants to do

987
00:38:45,802 --> 00:38:48,448
the rituals, go to church on Sunday and

988
00:38:48,448 --> 00:38:50,363
then just, you know, hope I'll be fine

989
00:38:50,363 --> 00:38:52,779
in the afterlife, but there was always those

990
00:38:52,997 --> 00:38:55,551
who have this thirst to look behind the

991
00:38:55,551 --> 00:38:56,051
veil

992
00:38:56,444 --> 00:38:58,782
and rise through the different worlds

993
00:38:59,641 --> 00:39:02,118
and make contact with these higher beings. So

994
00:39:02,118 --> 00:39:04,695
very normal in shamanism today, I've done

995
00:39:05,248 --> 00:39:07,723
I Ayahuasca it was Santo dim a few

996
00:39:07,723 --> 00:39:10,357
times and I have had that experience where

997
00:39:10,357 --> 00:39:11,953
all of the sudden I'm like, oh, shit.

998
00:39:12,193 --> 00:39:13,310
I'm am leaving my body.

999
00:39:13,884 --> 00:39:16,037
And I am just journey up into this

1000
00:39:16,037 --> 00:39:18,590
world and I am meeting creatures and all

1001
00:39:18,590 --> 00:39:20,504
that, and I am, like, I don't care

1002
00:39:20,504 --> 00:39:22,418
if this is real or not. It actually

1003
00:39:22,418 --> 00:39:24,107
was real... I could prove it,

1004
00:39:24,902 --> 00:39:25,402
but

1005
00:39:25,857 --> 00:39:26,675
that is

1006
00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:29,277
something that people perhaps like you and I

1007
00:39:29,277 --> 00:39:31,916
just have a thirst and prove throughout history,

1008
00:39:32,314 --> 00:39:35,494
the shaman and the witch doctor and the

1009
00:39:35,494 --> 00:39:37,560
medicine women were honored. That was her job.

1010
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,809
Right? They were the spiritual troubleshoot.

1011
00:39:40,278 --> 00:39:42,024
They were the ones who went into the

1012
00:39:42,024 --> 00:39:45,777
spirit world and brought back recipes for medicine

1013
00:39:45,911 --> 00:39:47,023
and magic spells.

1014
00:39:47,594 --> 00:39:49,352
And it was all to help the tribe.

1015
00:39:49,752 --> 00:39:52,069
It was to help the tribe grow, and

1016
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:52,809
that as

1017
00:39:53,427 --> 00:39:56,716
civilization got more left brain, kinda got cut

1018
00:39:56,716 --> 00:39:58,094
out. We no longer

1019
00:39:59,029 --> 00:40:01,262
respect the shaman or the no or the

1020
00:40:01,262 --> 00:40:03,815
mystic or they have to be under our

1021
00:40:03,815 --> 00:40:06,141
control like it happens in the Catholic church

1022
00:40:06,141 --> 00:40:06,641
with

1023
00:40:07,015 --> 00:40:09,160
saying John and others were that's fine but

1024
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,781
we'll lock you up, but everything has to

1025
00:40:11,781 --> 00:40:14,139
be within the con of us, so church

1026
00:40:14,498 --> 00:40:16,512
I think that's what you would say No

1027
00:40:16,569 --> 00:40:19,277
magic is, but they had folk magic, you

1028
00:40:19,277 --> 00:40:22,399
have no spells where there's, healing spells and

1029
00:40:22,399 --> 00:40:24,867
it'll say do this, take that. Some in

1030
00:40:24,867 --> 00:40:27,334
this creature, and you will be healed of

1031
00:40:27,334 --> 00:40:30,539
whatever ailments you have, but That's been pretty

1032
00:40:30,539 --> 00:40:32,000
normal in an

1033
00:40:32,619 --> 00:40:33,359
or c

1034
00:40:34,059 --> 00:40:36,780
throughout history. Nothing strange and obviously, A,

1035
00:40:37,353 --> 00:40:39,816
came from the No stick matrix in upper

1036
00:40:40,134 --> 00:40:40,293
Egypt.

1037
00:40:41,008 --> 00:40:41,485
Mh.

1038
00:40:42,439 --> 00:40:43,949
I think that's a great summary. There are

1039
00:40:43,949 --> 00:40:46,928
clearly Shaman who do operate. From ego

1040
00:40:47,303 --> 00:40:50,248
and they like to abuse the power they've

1041
00:40:50,248 --> 00:40:51,999
achieved. But for the most part, it does

1042
00:40:51,999 --> 00:40:55,039
seem like a service what A priest sleep

1043
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:56,314
class should be doing.

1044
00:40:56,952 --> 00:40:57,452
And

1045
00:40:57,828 --> 00:41:00,776
the terms I hear most often are healing,

1046
00:41:01,989 --> 00:41:02,809
Hidden knowledge

1047
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:04,309
and soul retrieval.

1048
00:41:05,029 --> 00:41:06,949
There's a lot of stories of a person

1049
00:41:06,949 --> 00:41:08,469
who gets sick and the s says, oh,

1050
00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:10,309
well, something's going on in the astra plane

1051
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:12,230
with your spiritual twin. Let me go out

1052
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:14,369
there and fix that for you and unravel

1053
00:41:14,369 --> 00:41:16,112
that mess, and then they come down in

1054
00:41:16,112 --> 00:41:17,800
the person's healed. It's like, what

1055
00:41:18,268 --> 00:41:20,419
But it's certainly not evil. It's just bizarre.

1056
00:41:20,976 --> 00:41:23,867
And I think there's a really also interesting

1057
00:41:23,924 --> 00:41:26,034
bizarre overlap with modern Ufo

1058
00:41:26,492 --> 00:41:29,209
encounters and people who then come out of

1059
00:41:29,209 --> 00:41:31,605
that with a call to basically be a

1060
00:41:31,605 --> 00:41:32,005
shaman,

1061
00:41:32,579 --> 00:41:34,493
and it's like, wow. I wonder if that's

1062
00:41:34,493 --> 00:41:36,327
how some of this got kicked off in

1063
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:38,422
the beginning or if it's the

1064
00:41:39,278 --> 00:41:41,113
safety valve of the universe to be like,

1065
00:41:41,193 --> 00:41:42,251
you need more shaman

1066
00:41:42,563 --> 00:41:43,597
send out the sauce.

1067
00:41:44,393 --> 00:41:46,382
And what do you think about that overlap?

1068
00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:49,190
Yeah. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Ufo.

1069
00:41:50,138 --> 00:41:52,151
People who are abducted by Ufo,

1070
00:41:52,766 --> 00:41:55,474
statistically, their lives change for the better.

1071
00:41:56,032 --> 00:41:58,762
They get degrees. They change their lives

1072
00:41:59,153 --> 00:42:01,163
they affect others, so there is

1073
00:42:01,538 --> 00:42:04,796
certainly a parallel of making contact with this

1074
00:42:04,796 --> 00:42:05,296
other

1075
00:42:05,671 --> 00:42:08,392
with these different intelligence and transforming your lives.

1076
00:42:08,552 --> 00:42:10,304
And again, this should not be different. I

1077
00:42:10,304 --> 00:42:12,854
mean, as you say, today, it has changed.

1078
00:42:13,093 --> 00:42:14,389
Suddenly, psychedelics

1079
00:42:14,846 --> 00:42:15,983
are more important

1080
00:42:16,853 --> 00:42:19,487
Altered states of mind are being championed, but

1081
00:42:19,487 --> 00:42:21,562
again, there's a lot of hu out there

1082
00:42:21,562 --> 00:42:23,796
and it always comes down, doesn't matter what

1083
00:42:23,796 --> 00:42:24,355
you're doing?

1084
00:42:25,088 --> 00:42:27,344
Have a good hero fund. Have a good

1085
00:42:27,962 --> 00:42:29,957
shame to take you. It does... I mean,

1086
00:42:30,356 --> 00:42:32,351
Same Catholicism And when I was a catholic,

1087
00:42:32,511 --> 00:42:34,517
I'd be like, Oh my god. We joined

1088
00:42:34,517 --> 00:42:36,505
this church and this priest gives the worst

1089
00:42:36,505 --> 00:42:39,368
sermon. He has the worst advice during confession,

1090
00:42:39,845 --> 00:42:41,650
but then at another church, I'm like this

1091
00:42:41,768 --> 00:42:43,937
guy gets it, and he's so great. So

1092
00:42:43,993 --> 00:42:46,297
yeah, humans are humans and always find you

1093
00:42:46,297 --> 00:42:48,680
gotta find a good teacher to take you

1094
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:49,792
through the other side.

1095
00:42:50,523 --> 00:42:51,000
Mh.

1096
00:42:51,635 --> 00:42:53,146
Indeed, and I am kinda with you that

1097
00:42:53,305 --> 00:42:55,054
I agree that a lot of these things

1098
00:42:55,054 --> 00:42:56,190
blossom back

1099
00:42:56,565 --> 00:42:58,568
into society that have been cut out is

1100
00:42:58,568 --> 00:43:00,716
a good thing. It's a return to form.

1101
00:43:00,875 --> 00:43:02,705
A lot of times it's using things that

1102
00:43:02,705 --> 00:43:05,512
are just in nature that are probably there

1103
00:43:05,822 --> 00:43:08,939
for the seekers, for these exact reasons. If

1104
00:43:09,628 --> 00:43:11,769
the creator of this world didn't ever want

1105
00:43:11,769 --> 00:43:13,849
us to know of anything else, then there

1106
00:43:13,849 --> 00:43:16,880
wouldn't be mushrooms growing around, and, you know,

1107
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,636
wheat growing. It's called weed for a reason.

1108
00:43:18,796 --> 00:43:20,471
It's pretty easy to grow if you let

1109
00:43:20,471 --> 00:43:21,943
it grow. And

1110
00:43:22,878 --> 00:43:25,690
there is this modern conspiracy framing that trans

1111
00:43:27,103 --> 00:43:30,387
is agnostic or that that's the dominant off

1112
00:43:30,387 --> 00:43:31,903
of the day. I agree that it's the

1113
00:43:31,903 --> 00:43:34,696
dominant off of the day and the trajectory

1114
00:43:34,696 --> 00:43:37,031
that they're trying to push us towards where

1115
00:43:37,422 --> 00:43:40,301
we are kind of enslaved through technology,

1116
00:43:41,070 --> 00:43:42,759
but that's not

1117
00:43:43,132 --> 00:43:45,090
agnostic to me. Like, you could say that

1118
00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:47,050
people loop in the trans and they're like,

1119
00:43:47,130 --> 00:43:48,750
well, they're trying to make us all

1120
00:43:49,289 --> 00:43:52,489
just this big blob person that's half cy

1121
00:43:52,489 --> 00:43:52,809
board.

1122
00:43:53,543 --> 00:43:56,673
And that's another form of enslave. That's not

1123
00:43:56,731 --> 00:43:59,463
enlightenment. That's just a deeper level of enslave

1124
00:43:59,919 --> 00:44:00,658
to technology.

1125
00:44:01,208 --> 00:44:02,105
It's a weaponized

1126
00:44:02,716 --> 00:44:03,216
no.

1127
00:44:03,588 --> 00:44:05,572
It's a red herring. Like you say, you

1128
00:44:05,572 --> 00:44:06,072
need

1129
00:44:06,604 --> 00:44:08,826
people you can trust on the journey because

1130
00:44:08,826 --> 00:44:10,434
there's a lot of hu, and there's a

1131
00:44:10,434 --> 00:44:12,532
lot of people trying to take a truth

1132
00:44:12,751 --> 00:44:13,491
and then

1133
00:44:14,429 --> 00:44:17,146
twist it down a dark alley, and now

1134
00:44:17,146 --> 00:44:19,018
you're stuck. And I think that's what trans

1135
00:44:19,075 --> 00:44:21,142
is, I don't think it's necessarily agnostic on

1136
00:44:21,142 --> 00:44:22,891
its surface. You look at the matrix and

1137
00:44:22,891 --> 00:44:24,640
you say, oh, it's a agnostic tail and

1138
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,207
it involves the machines taking over and so

1139
00:44:27,343 --> 00:44:31,295
thus trans is agnostic, but no. It's using

1140
00:44:32,315 --> 00:44:32,815
some

1141
00:44:33,114 --> 00:44:36,635
cherry picked aspects of g ism to sell

1142
00:44:36,635 --> 00:44:37,135
you

1143
00:44:37,686 --> 00:44:38,186
another

1144
00:44:39,198 --> 00:44:42,561
delusion because the leader always selling us some

1145
00:44:43,414 --> 00:44:43,914
negative,

1146
00:44:44,543 --> 00:44:46,294
perspective, and so that's... That's what I see

1147
00:44:46,294 --> 00:44:47,727
is, like, you have to make the case.

1148
00:44:47,966 --> 00:44:49,558
You have to make the sale as they

1149
00:44:49,558 --> 00:44:51,310
say. You can't just say, oh, well, we're

1150
00:44:51,310 --> 00:44:53,076
trying to enslave you all. We're trying to

1151
00:44:53,076 --> 00:44:54,110
fuck your whole world

1152
00:44:54,666 --> 00:44:56,894
You can't say that. You gotta sell people

1153
00:44:56,894 --> 00:44:58,166
on it. So that's what I think they're

1154
00:44:58,166 --> 00:45:00,672
doing is selling it. In this agnostic,

1155
00:45:01,527 --> 00:45:02,027
trans,

1156
00:45:02,962 --> 00:45:05,992
next evolution of man kind of thing, but

1157
00:45:05,992 --> 00:45:07,745
it's just a it's another dark alley,

1158
00:45:08,158 --> 00:45:10,063
Oh, yeah. For sure. Again, as I mentioned,

1159
00:45:10,460 --> 00:45:12,467
and then Oz texts are very

1160
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,984
focused on this and you see it the

1161
00:45:14,984 --> 00:45:15,142
ritual.

1162
00:45:15,793 --> 00:45:18,581
It's not about leaving your humanity evolving. It's

1163
00:45:18,581 --> 00:45:20,174
about embracing your humanity.

1164
00:45:20,732 --> 00:45:23,679
I mean, the like other ancient and shaman

1165
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:26,479
believe we've got everything we need to be

1166
00:45:26,479 --> 00:45:28,070
healthy to be sane.

1167
00:45:28,547 --> 00:45:31,252
To be powerful. We are innate magic. We

1168
00:45:31,252 --> 00:45:33,822
have the as the her says as above

1169
00:45:33,822 --> 00:45:36,539
so below as within so without. We are

1170
00:45:36,539 --> 00:45:38,696
in the universe, but the universe is in

1171
00:45:38,696 --> 00:45:40,075
our minds. The human

1172
00:45:40,627 --> 00:45:43,254
mind is limitless, and it can heal our

1173
00:45:43,254 --> 00:45:44,391
body. It can

1174
00:45:44,766 --> 00:45:45,266
find

1175
00:45:45,721 --> 00:45:48,507
solutions and that's what the were champion. I

1176
00:45:48,507 --> 00:45:49,701
mean, look at the matrix,

1177
00:45:50,353 --> 00:45:53,456
Neo doesn't defeat the agents in the first

1178
00:45:53,456 --> 00:45:56,161
movie because he figures out some technology. He

1179
00:45:56,161 --> 00:45:59,289
just simply wakes up, to his own humanity

1180
00:45:59,289 --> 00:46:00,750
to his own innate power

1181
00:46:01,130 --> 00:46:02,670
to see beyond the

1182
00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:03,210
simulation.

1183
00:46:03,849 --> 00:46:05,389
So, yeah, I would say trans

1184
00:46:05,769 --> 00:46:07,639
is a corrupt form of

1185
00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:11,600
g ism obviously tools are important as the

1186
00:46:11,813 --> 00:46:13,318
myth of prometheus goes.

1187
00:46:14,765 --> 00:46:18,289
Zeus didn't give us claws or wings or

1188
00:46:18,585 --> 00:46:21,371
all that cool stuff. Were just hair monkeys.

1189
00:46:22,025 --> 00:46:24,581
So prometheus, the tricks had to give us

1190
00:46:24,581 --> 00:46:27,799
fire from the Gods or again, the watchers

1191
00:46:28,338 --> 00:46:30,495
had to give us tools too, You have

1192
00:46:30,495 --> 00:46:31,889
this story. Anu

1193
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:34,989
all that. Our power is that we are

1194
00:46:34,989 --> 00:46:37,409
able to use the techno, the technology

1195
00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:41,416
to better ourselves and stand up against Olympus

1196
00:46:41,551 --> 00:46:41,789
against the,

1197
00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:45,282
but we're not supposed to mel,

1198
00:46:45,996 --> 00:46:48,719
like the bo or something else into cy.

1199
00:46:49,108 --> 00:46:52,522
The technologies and extension of our mind and

1200
00:46:52,522 --> 00:46:53,871
our potential as humans.

1201
00:46:54,824 --> 00:46:57,364
Yeah. Well said, well said, and maybe this

1202
00:46:57,364 --> 00:46:58,023
is a

1203
00:46:58,333 --> 00:47:00,318
Stupid stone thought I haven't even smoked today,

1204
00:47:00,477 --> 00:47:01,987
but I've smoked enough that I don't know

1205
00:47:01,987 --> 00:47:03,416
if I'm ever truly not high.

1206
00:47:04,211 --> 00:47:07,309
But it's like the 5 most dangerous words

1207
00:47:07,309 --> 00:47:09,630
to the sis them, whether it's religion,

1208
00:47:10,266 --> 00:47:12,573
government, at any point in history or pretty

1209
00:47:12,573 --> 00:47:12,732
much...

1210
00:47:13,527 --> 00:47:14,721
I have everything I need.

1211
00:47:15,371 --> 00:47:15,609
Yeah.

1212
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:20,293
I think that's kind of interesting because it's

1213
00:47:20,293 --> 00:47:22,277
like, I don't need your religious authority. I

1214
00:47:22,277 --> 00:47:24,837
don't... I just don't need you. And the

1215
00:47:24,837 --> 00:47:26,991
system loves to be needed and likes to

1216
00:47:26,991 --> 00:47:29,623
make you feel inadequate, hey, there's a whole

1217
00:47:29,623 --> 00:47:30,740
and we're gonna fill it for you.

1218
00:47:31,871 --> 00:47:33,624
And, I think that's the way the system

1219
00:47:33,624 --> 00:47:35,457
is always operated. You have to make the

1220
00:47:35,457 --> 00:47:36,674
person feel inadequate

1221
00:47:37,529 --> 00:47:38,507
lesser than

1222
00:47:39,299 --> 00:47:40,817
And then you say, well, we got the

1223
00:47:40,817 --> 00:47:41,456
solution right here.

1224
00:47:42,255 --> 00:47:45,053
And it's just that simple, but you mentioned

1225
00:47:45,053 --> 00:47:47,530
that you could prove that your Ayahuasca ex

1226
00:47:47,530 --> 00:47:47,824
experience

1227
00:47:48,341 --> 00:47:50,247
were real. And I think anyone who has

1228
00:47:50,247 --> 00:47:52,256
their own out of body, psychedelic,

1229
00:47:52,868 --> 00:47:53,368
transformative

1230
00:47:53,742 --> 00:47:56,537
experience knows what they need to know. But

1231
00:47:56,537 --> 00:47:58,365
how would you say that you could prove

1232
00:47:58,365 --> 00:47:59,081
that it was real?

1233
00:48:00,114 --> 00:48:02,420
While I'm glad you asked, Greg, because I

1234
00:48:02,420 --> 00:48:03,532
do have the proof.

1235
00:48:04,424 --> 00:48:06,581
This was 1 of my first ones, I

1236
00:48:06,581 --> 00:48:08,180
think it was 2006,

1237
00:48:08,420 --> 00:48:10,976
I call it my B experience and it

1238
00:48:10,976 --> 00:48:13,546
was a huge group in port, my uncle.

1239
00:48:13,786 --> 00:48:16,199
He's the shaman, the head of the Portuguese

1240
00:48:16,417 --> 00:48:18,810
Ib church. And we were doing... That it

1241
00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:21,043
was like 50 people and we're doing Ayahuasca.

1242
00:48:21,203 --> 00:48:23,931
In Central D, for hours, 4 6 hours.

1243
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:26,267
You're playing the instruments dancing,

1244
00:48:26,805 --> 00:48:29,599
you're singing all these H Christian songs, but

1245
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:32,010
somehow they keep you grounded. I can't explain

1246
00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:32,170
it,

1247
00:48:32,809 --> 00:48:34,010
but as we're doing it,

1248
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:37,050
I just sat down and I started leaving

1249
00:48:37,050 --> 00:48:37,530
my body.

1250
00:48:38,650 --> 00:48:40,819
And I am going up up, and I

1251
00:48:40,819 --> 00:48:42,331
am leaving the church,

1252
00:48:42,967 --> 00:48:44,717
which is next to my uncle uncles house.

1253
00:48:44,956 --> 00:48:47,357
He built the church next to it. And

1254
00:48:47,436 --> 00:48:49,664
I am going up, and I am going

1255
00:48:49,664 --> 00:48:52,766
into this place of complete darkness of void

1256
00:48:52,766 --> 00:48:53,823
and it's stirring

1257
00:48:54,134 --> 00:48:55,409
and I look up and I say,

1258
00:48:56,206 --> 00:48:58,517
it's a b. Some I call this being

1259
00:48:58,517 --> 00:48:59,256
a ab b,

1260
00:48:59,713 --> 00:49:01,726
and it was staring back at me

1261
00:49:02,436 --> 00:49:04,845
And I had this horrible sense of negativity

1262
00:49:05,299 --> 00:49:07,208
or and maybe was just this sort of

1263
00:49:07,208 --> 00:49:09,451
scary eye. And I was like, If I

1264
00:49:09,451 --> 00:49:11,280
keep going this being of ab access is

1265
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,019
just gonna

1266
00:49:12,791 --> 00:49:15,178
swallow me because I have noticed it.

1267
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:19,269
As this was happening, my aunt, she's in

1268
00:49:19,269 --> 00:49:20,869
the house next door Greg,

1269
00:49:21,590 --> 00:49:22,869
she had a broken leg.

1270
00:49:23,444 --> 00:49:25,200
And she said that in the middle of

1271
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,036
the night because it was really late, She

1272
00:49:27,036 --> 00:49:29,989
woke up and she said, if Miguel doesn't

1273
00:49:29,989 --> 00:49:32,238
come down, he's never gonna come back. So

1274
00:49:32,238 --> 00:49:33,991
my end gets in a chair with her

1275
00:49:33,991 --> 00:49:35,664
broken leg and she's got a broom.

1276
00:49:36,222 --> 00:49:37,816
She goes out of the house. She's going

1277
00:49:37,816 --> 00:49:39,385
around the corner of the neighborhood

1278
00:49:40,864 --> 00:49:43,505
And suddenly, my uncle says he thought everything

1279
00:49:43,505 --> 00:49:45,105
was fine. I was sitting there. He's,

1280
00:49:45,744 --> 00:49:48,144
again, orchestrating the entire event.

1281
00:49:48,718 --> 00:49:50,944
My aunt suddenly like burst in,

1282
00:49:51,581 --> 00:49:53,966
and she's like, screaming at my uncle,

1283
00:49:54,443 --> 00:49:56,829
wake me miguel up. He's too far out.

1284
00:49:57,067 --> 00:50:00,032
He's not coming back ryan goes like, holy

1285
00:50:00,032 --> 00:50:02,509
shit. So he looks around sees I'm over

1286
00:50:02,509 --> 00:50:03,707
there in 1 part of the room and

1287
00:50:03,707 --> 00:50:05,305
he goes and he did, like, shakes me.

1288
00:50:05,879 --> 00:50:07,632
And suddenly in my head, I am coming

1289
00:50:07,632 --> 00:50:08,987
down and I woke up and I'm like,

1290
00:50:09,147 --> 00:50:09,705
oh, hey.

1291
00:50:10,342 --> 00:50:10,980
And he was like,

1292
00:50:11,698 --> 00:50:13,371
then my aunt was like, oh, thank God.

1293
00:50:13,531 --> 00:50:13,985
So

1294
00:50:14,342 --> 00:50:16,331
How did she know that I was in

1295
00:50:16,331 --> 00:50:18,479
trouble that I was... Because not everybody gets

1296
00:50:18,479 --> 00:50:20,467
an of body experience some people have?

1297
00:50:21,356 --> 00:50:24,213
Vision, some people just get high, some people

1298
00:50:24,213 --> 00:50:27,862
just get emotional. It's kinda rare for somebody

1299
00:50:27,862 --> 00:50:30,101
to leave their bodies unless and says how

1300
00:50:30,101 --> 00:50:32,010
did she know at that time to wake

1301
00:50:32,010 --> 00:50:34,317
up and get me. So there is something

1302
00:50:34,317 --> 00:50:36,146
there. There was something there, Greg.

1303
00:50:36,956 --> 00:50:39,260
Hell, yeah. That mirrors my own experience when

1304
00:50:39,340 --> 00:50:41,485
I went out of body, I could see

1305
00:50:41,485 --> 00:50:41,985
from

1306
00:50:42,359 --> 00:50:43,654
a bird's eye view

1307
00:50:44,362 --> 00:50:46,271
the 2 friends I was with shaking me

1308
00:50:46,271 --> 00:50:47,623
in the chair, like, trying to get me

1309
00:50:47,623 --> 00:50:48,975
to wake up, and I was watching them,

1310
00:50:49,055 --> 00:50:50,827
like, I can either go back and

1311
00:50:51,140 --> 00:50:53,220
make them more comfortable or I can go

1312
00:50:53,220 --> 00:50:54,660
see what's going on up here in this

1313
00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:56,820
weird experience I'm having, but I could come

1314
00:50:56,820 --> 00:50:58,099
back. And then at the end of it,

1315
00:50:58,420 --> 00:51:00,512
I explain what I thought happen. And I'm

1316
00:51:00,512 --> 00:51:02,419
like, I could see you guys shaking me

1317
00:51:02,419 --> 00:51:03,929
and and they're were like, yeah, we were

1318
00:51:03,929 --> 00:51:05,438
doing that. I'm like, well, yeah, I mean,

1319
00:51:05,915 --> 00:51:08,378
not exactly as extreme confirmation as your own,

1320
00:51:08,617 --> 00:51:11,091
but Somewhere in the ballpark of what people

1321
00:51:11,091 --> 00:51:13,472
experience without a body near earth experiences on

1322
00:51:13,472 --> 00:51:15,614
the surgery table, you know, and they see

1323
00:51:15,614 --> 00:51:16,963
things in the operating room.

1324
00:51:17,613 --> 00:51:19,207
That they shouldn't be able to see from

1325
00:51:19,207 --> 00:51:21,359
up above. So, yeah, I think all that

1326
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:22,974
stuff is very real and

1327
00:51:23,431 --> 00:51:24,727
to come back to

1328
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:27,189
The Cath a little bit, I interviewed Richard

1329
00:51:27,348 --> 00:51:29,816
Stanley recently, who I know you've talked to

1330
00:51:29,816 --> 00:51:30,214
also,

1331
00:51:30,772 --> 00:51:32,944
and his passion for the K,

1332
00:51:33,494 --> 00:51:35,800
and the lim spaces in the south of

1333
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,414
France is very

1334
00:51:37,789 --> 00:51:38,289
contagious.

1335
00:51:38,983 --> 00:51:41,308
There is a lot of miss story around

1336
00:51:41,468 --> 00:51:45,223
Cath treasure and magical secrets and things like

1337
00:51:45,223 --> 00:51:48,040
the holy grail and their castle of

1338
00:51:48,514 --> 00:51:51,092
Mont, I think is how it's pronounced, but

1339
00:51:51,630 --> 00:51:54,667
has your interest in these sex ever slipped

1340
00:51:54,667 --> 00:51:57,474
over into trying to sort out the stories

1341
00:51:57,474 --> 00:51:59,940
of their lost treasures and the my mistake

1342
00:51:59,940 --> 00:52:00,895
around that sort of stuff?

1343
00:52:01,690 --> 00:52:04,251
Not really. I mean, I like the classical

1344
00:52:04,251 --> 00:52:06,241
no because they were closer to the... As

1345
00:52:06,241 --> 00:52:07,298
we're talking to shaman

1346
00:52:07,754 --> 00:52:08,652
rituals, the,

1347
00:52:10,062 --> 00:52:12,131
the A me, all this fun stuff they

1348
00:52:12,131 --> 00:52:14,960
were dabbling with And to me the Ka,

1349
00:52:15,659 --> 00:52:17,260
it's not even... I mean, as I've talked

1350
00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:18,719
to Richard and

1351
00:52:19,019 --> 00:52:21,826
it's the portals that are there. The energies

1352
00:52:21,826 --> 00:52:23,492
that are there I would love to go

1353
00:52:23,492 --> 00:52:25,555
down there with Richard. He lives there in

1354
00:52:25,635 --> 00:52:28,411
Southern France and just, I mean, I've heard

1355
00:52:28,411 --> 00:52:30,335
he does these rich shows with no drugs,

1356
00:52:30,494 --> 00:52:32,646
no nothing that he will get you to

1357
00:52:32,646 --> 00:52:34,717
freaking altered state of mind where you will

1358
00:52:34,717 --> 00:52:35,833
be watching spirits,

1359
00:52:36,311 --> 00:52:38,223
and he has this wisdom and that he

1360
00:52:38,223 --> 00:52:39,121
knows all these

1361
00:52:39,593 --> 00:52:41,985
rituals and exercise. I'm like, oh, I gotta

1362
00:52:41,985 --> 00:52:44,377
get there, but also because I think that

1363
00:52:44,377 --> 00:52:46,769
area has an energy of portals. I don't

1364
00:52:46,769 --> 00:52:48,179
know if you're familiar with

1365
00:52:48,537 --> 00:52:51,875
Pat patricia Chaplain, she is the granddaughter of

1366
00:52:52,034 --> 00:52:52,829
Charlie Chaplin.

1367
00:52:53,465 --> 00:52:55,475
She went down to Southern Spain

1368
00:52:56,344 --> 00:52:59,565
and she found the secret society that included

1369
00:52:59,864 --> 00:53:00,364
Jack

1370
00:53:01,545 --> 00:53:03,864
and others where they were playing with these

1371
00:53:03,864 --> 00:53:04,364
portals

1372
00:53:04,838 --> 00:53:06,669
and she did the research. He also did

1373
00:53:06,669 --> 00:53:08,579
the rituals, which were amazing, and she found

1374
00:53:08,579 --> 00:53:09,715
out yet something

1375
00:53:10,648 --> 00:53:13,831
about Southern Spain, Southern France, even Portugal,

1376
00:53:14,402 --> 00:53:17,097
that there's all these portals that people use,

1377
00:53:17,255 --> 00:53:20,266
maybe that's what attracted the who knows or

1378
00:53:20,266 --> 00:53:21,429
the temp that

1379
00:53:22,029 --> 00:53:24,846
you can just go into these amazing worlds

1380
00:53:24,985 --> 00:53:26,983
if you do them and you know, there's

1381
00:53:26,983 --> 00:53:27,942
many theories,

1382
00:53:28,501 --> 00:53:30,992
there's a black meteor that fell there. There's

1383
00:53:30,992 --> 00:53:33,305
some people call Luc, although, something think that

1384
00:53:33,305 --> 00:53:34,661
there was a black meter that there might

1385
00:53:34,661 --> 00:53:36,416
have been from Ky bell. I mean, there's

1386
00:53:36,416 --> 00:53:38,729
many theories of why it was something the

1387
00:53:38,809 --> 00:53:41,876
Romans left or was it even older, but

1388
00:53:42,014 --> 00:53:44,885
that area, man. Yeah. It's like, sometimes I

1389
00:53:44,885 --> 00:53:47,039
like command. We need to have astro there

1390
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:49,272
next year and just trip out. We don't

1391
00:53:49,272 --> 00:53:49,830
come back.

1392
00:53:50,323 --> 00:53:52,093
I was just gonna say astro

1393
00:53:52,784 --> 00:53:54,926
4. Let's make it happen. I'll even go

1394
00:53:54,926 --> 00:53:56,855
have these with you It'll be higher.

1395
00:53:57,799 --> 00:53:59,873
And we can even loop gordon, hire noses

1396
00:53:59,873 --> 00:54:02,905
soup, the real deal or loop Chris and

1397
00:54:02,905 --> 00:54:06,513
it's secret higher noses soup. Average churches just

1398
00:54:06,513 --> 00:54:08,192
take us to where we need to go

1399
00:54:08,192 --> 00:54:10,509
man. Hey, man. I mean, when I did

1400
00:54:10,509 --> 00:54:12,607
that interview, I felt like we were really

1401
00:54:12,827 --> 00:54:14,999
kindred spirits, we had a great time a

1402
00:54:14,999 --> 00:54:17,234
good vibe. He was smoking the whole time.

1403
00:54:17,474 --> 00:54:19,150
As he did in your interview too. And

1404
00:54:19,150 --> 00:54:20,667
it was the first join I smoked in

1405
00:54:20,667 --> 00:54:22,264
my new house here because I don't really

1406
00:54:22,264 --> 00:54:23,301
smoke in the house because of the kids,

1407
00:54:23,461 --> 00:54:25,793
but I was like, I gotta share a

1408
00:54:25,793 --> 00:54:27,631
joint here. I gotta share a smoke with

1409
00:54:27,871 --> 00:54:29,489
Richard Stanley at least digitally

1410
00:54:30,188 --> 00:54:32,526
because we're just so in the weeds and

1411
00:54:32,666 --> 00:54:33,465
having a good time.

1412
00:54:34,357 --> 00:54:36,825
And that'll always be something I remember. I'd

1413
00:54:36,825 --> 00:54:38,257
had a joint... I mean, I don't know

1414
00:54:38,257 --> 00:54:39,452
what he was smoking. I think he rolls

1415
00:54:39,452 --> 00:54:41,442
his own cigarettes because he's smoking too, but

1416
00:54:41,442 --> 00:54:43,052
it looks. Very much like a joint, but

1417
00:54:43,132 --> 00:54:45,766
I had a smoke with the director of

1418
00:54:45,925 --> 00:54:48,720
Colorado space. Oh, what a movie you. And

1419
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,476
that's fun. That's a good thing. That's is

1420
00:54:50,715 --> 00:54:52,648
this is Why the job isn't so bad.

1421
00:54:52,807 --> 00:54:54,885
Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great movie.

1422
00:54:55,844 --> 00:54:56,824
Amanda Radcliffe.

1423
00:54:57,203 --> 00:54:59,041
They used to date now they're french. She's

1424
00:54:59,041 --> 00:54:59,940
also priest.

1425
00:55:00,334 --> 00:55:02,827
Order of Mary Mag and all that, and

1426
00:55:03,124 --> 00:55:05,435
she helped do the rituals at the beginning.

1427
00:55:05,595 --> 00:55:07,827
So they're all authentic, You know, at the

1428
00:55:07,827 --> 00:55:10,632
beginning, the The protagonist is a pagan and

1429
00:55:10,632 --> 00:55:13,900
that's straight out of Sal and other traditions.

1430
00:55:14,139 --> 00:55:16,985
So Amanda Radcliffe also is amazing and

1431
00:55:17,344 --> 00:55:19,179
I think she's moved to England before while

1432
00:55:19,179 --> 00:55:20,376
she was there in Southern France.

1433
00:55:22,850 --> 00:55:24,686
Last time, you did mention.

1434
00:55:25,418 --> 00:55:26,317
Charlie Chaplin

1435
00:55:26,693 --> 00:55:29,005
granddaughter, and that whole thing, and she's been

1436
00:55:29,005 --> 00:55:30,838
on my list of people to interview, and

1437
00:55:30,838 --> 00:55:32,352
it's been 7 years. I mean, that's how

1438
00:55:32,352 --> 00:55:33,959
long my list. Is Let's just say to

1439
00:55:33,959 --> 00:55:36,505
people who are constantly firing off request to

1440
00:55:36,505 --> 00:55:39,289
me. But last time we also talked about

1441
00:55:39,289 --> 00:55:39,789
the

1442
00:55:41,295 --> 00:55:43,311
and the su and the men,

1443
00:55:43,848 --> 00:55:46,879
these maybe modern agnostic sex that I really

1444
00:55:46,879 --> 00:55:49,771
know very little about basically only

1445
00:55:50,085 --> 00:55:50,565
the names.

1446
00:55:51,364 --> 00:55:54,744
And they're still being hunted to extinction or

1447
00:55:54,965 --> 00:55:56,744
they were at the time of that last

1448
00:55:56,965 --> 00:55:59,762
conversation, Is there any new information about their

1449
00:55:59,762 --> 00:56:02,860
plight since we last talked in 20 17?

1450
00:56:03,417 --> 00:56:07,192
No. Unfortunately, they have been... Still a terrible

1451
00:56:07,569 --> 00:56:09,085
conditions. They have moved away.

1452
00:56:10,441 --> 00:56:11,180
I know

1453
00:56:11,637 --> 00:56:14,827
Chris and rec Stephen Snyder have a lot

1454
00:56:14,827 --> 00:56:17,079
of research that talk about... I don't know

1455
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:18,119
if I can say it on your show,

1456
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:18,780
Pe

1457
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:21,559
o of Su, how rampant it is.

1458
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,039
I haven't gone down that rabbit hole yet,

1459
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,688
but I get it's I want to hear

1460
00:56:26,688 --> 00:56:28,841
all the arguments even though I like Su

1461
00:56:28,841 --> 00:56:31,951
fizz myself. Everything as a shadow. Right? You

1462
00:56:31,951 --> 00:56:33,487
know, kids are the greatest

1463
00:56:34,358 --> 00:56:36,588
treasure for the Arch archives and they lead

1464
00:56:36,588 --> 00:56:38,579
and all that. We know that and it's

1465
00:56:38,579 --> 00:56:41,844
unfortunate and you and I hopefully expose some

1466
00:56:41,844 --> 00:56:42,481
of this stuff.

1467
00:56:43,054 --> 00:56:44,808
So at the conference ask him about that,

1468
00:56:45,048 --> 00:56:47,759
I'll I'll join you guys, but not much

1469
00:56:47,759 --> 00:56:50,391
into the Y, I mean, I guess Gordon

1470
00:56:50,391 --> 00:56:52,958
makes a good argument in starship that the

1471
00:56:53,038 --> 00:56:55,431
Uc actually might be thousands of years old,

1472
00:56:55,511 --> 00:56:56,250
a p

1473
00:56:57,266 --> 00:57:00,057
religion. It is agnostic for sure. They have

1474
00:57:00,057 --> 00:57:00,796
this cosmology

1475
00:57:01,174 --> 00:57:03,101
where they have a Male da,

1476
00:57:03,658 --> 00:57:05,963
this fallen angel that falls into this world

1477
00:57:05,963 --> 00:57:07,656
and then controls the world

1478
00:57:08,349 --> 00:57:11,132
very agnostic, although, they don't see the angel

1479
00:57:11,132 --> 00:57:14,013
is bad. He's just part of the system?

1480
00:57:15,288 --> 00:57:17,599
I do have a few articles on the

1481
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,612
parallels of the Y yosemite

1482
00:57:20,163 --> 00:57:22,231
and the ancient os as well as the

1483
00:57:22,231 --> 00:57:22,731
men

1484
00:57:23,105 --> 00:57:24,934
and a few other groups there yet. But

1485
00:57:24,934 --> 00:57:27,638
that's a whole whole another conversation we can

1486
00:57:27,638 --> 00:57:27,877
have.

1487
00:57:29,007 --> 00:57:30,863
Yeah. It's really hard to

1488
00:57:31,798 --> 00:57:34,590
get information on some of these situations because

1489
00:57:34,590 --> 00:57:37,302
they don't really have advocates and they don't

1490
00:57:37,302 --> 00:57:37,802
have

1491
00:57:38,274 --> 00:57:39,172
any real

1492
00:57:40,348 --> 00:57:41,645
media apparatus

1493
00:57:42,023 --> 00:57:44,974
to advocate for them. And the more you

1494
00:57:44,974 --> 00:57:46,808
learn about the world, the more you learn

1495
00:57:46,808 --> 00:57:50,433
that there are jenna sides and atrocities constantly

1496
00:57:50,491 --> 00:57:52,883
happening, and the news only wants you to

1497
00:57:52,883 --> 00:57:54,796
focus on a couple of them because there's

1498
00:57:54,796 --> 00:57:56,492
some advantageous reason

1499
00:57:56,964 --> 00:57:59,204
for the Capstone Cabal to focus on that.

1500
00:57:59,605 --> 00:58:01,684
Maybe you've say, oh, well, there's some crazy

1501
00:58:01,684 --> 00:58:04,085
shit going on the congo, probably stirred up

1502
00:58:04,085 --> 00:58:04,885
by the Cia,

1503
00:58:05,299 --> 00:58:07,612
probably because there's resources there that they need.

1504
00:58:07,931 --> 00:58:09,765
So that becomes a story. Obviously, the Middle

1505
00:58:09,924 --> 00:58:12,317
East is a story, but I've heard there's,

1506
00:58:12,476 --> 00:58:14,412
like, 5 or 6 different

1507
00:58:15,521 --> 00:58:17,992
genocide going on right now. We only know

1508
00:58:17,992 --> 00:58:19,188
about maybe 1 of them,

1509
00:58:19,905 --> 00:58:20,405
and

1510
00:58:20,782 --> 00:58:23,268
that's a sad thing. I mean, it's hard

1511
00:58:23,268 --> 00:58:25,981
to not be ignorant of it because it's

1512
00:58:25,981 --> 00:58:27,279
just kind of a closed

1513
00:58:27,657 --> 00:58:29,572
door that is really hard to open. Where

1514
00:58:29,572 --> 00:58:32,141
would you go for? The information on some

1515
00:58:32,141 --> 00:58:34,615
of this stuff. It's like that classic phrase

1516
00:58:34,615 --> 00:58:37,329
the more you think you learn, the more

1517
00:58:37,329 --> 00:58:38,925
you know you don't know anything.

1518
00:58:39,578 --> 00:58:42,942
Yeah. Yeah. And nothing is real and never

1519
00:58:43,556 --> 00:58:45,307
believe the official story. Was it, I I

1520
00:58:45,307 --> 00:58:47,627
was listening. I don't watch podcast is the

1521
00:58:47,706 --> 00:58:50,007
Bowie elvis book of just like sucked all

1522
00:58:50,007 --> 00:58:51,912
the air out of the room, but I

1523
00:58:51,912 --> 00:58:53,047
listened to the Colbert

1524
00:58:53,420 --> 00:58:53,657
report.

1525
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:55,824
And for 2 hours, he had a great

1526
00:58:55,824 --> 00:58:58,056
argument that everything we were taught about Rwanda

1527
00:58:58,056 --> 00:58:59,810
was a lie. You know, we think of

1528
00:58:59,810 --> 00:59:02,123
the 2 groups and 1 group given with

1529
00:59:02,123 --> 00:59:04,471
machete and killed a million

1530
00:59:04,848 --> 00:59:07,240
people and all that. And the genes genocide

1531
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:08,596
did happen, but it was actually...

1532
00:59:09,313 --> 00:59:11,147
There were forces behind there, and you know

1533
00:59:11,147 --> 00:59:13,467
the forces. Israel, the United States,

1534
00:59:14,101 --> 00:59:14,339
England,

1535
00:59:14,974 --> 00:59:17,752
Belgium, You know, the usual characters were sort

1536
00:59:17,752 --> 00:59:21,182
of fueling this conflict in Of course, we

1537
00:59:21,182 --> 00:59:22,140
were never told that.

1538
00:59:23,257 --> 00:59:25,252
They will give us a little truth and

1539
00:59:25,252 --> 00:59:27,885
corrupt with lies or just take away enough.

1540
00:59:28,537 --> 00:59:30,765
The details so we buy into some really

1541
00:59:30,765 --> 00:59:31,662
false stories.

1542
00:59:32,276 --> 00:59:34,106
Same as it ever was with but pretty

1543
00:59:34,106 --> 00:59:34,822
much everything.

1544
00:59:35,632 --> 00:59:37,699
Yes. And James Cor, 1 of the greats.

1545
00:59:38,495 --> 00:59:38,995
But

1546
00:59:39,369 --> 00:59:40,880
it is about that time.

1547
00:59:41,676 --> 00:59:44,472
I always like talking to you It's weird

1548
00:59:44,472 --> 00:59:46,378
because there certain people like you that, like,

1549
00:59:46,615 --> 00:59:48,044
I look and I'm like man, we've only

1550
00:59:48,044 --> 00:59:50,902
done 1 interview before really, but I feel

1551
00:59:50,902 --> 00:59:52,251
like you're a fellow traveler,

1552
00:59:52,584 --> 00:59:54,659
and I just feel like we connect more

1553
00:59:54,659 --> 00:59:57,053
than we really do in an odd sense,

1554
00:59:57,692 --> 00:59:59,447
but thank you for coming back to talk

1555
00:59:59,447 --> 01:00:01,536
to me before I cut loose. Remind people

1556
01:00:01,536 --> 01:00:03,132
of all the irons you have in the

1557
01:00:03,132 --> 01:00:06,483
fire, maybe some favorite recent interviews, the conference

1558
01:00:06,483 --> 01:00:07,280
all that good stuff.

1559
01:00:07,934 --> 01:00:11,849
Yeah. Astro is August ninth tenth at the

1560
01:00:11,849 --> 01:00:12,349
theo

1561
01:00:12,887 --> 01:00:14,725
society. Let's see if we talk to spirits.

1562
01:00:15,298 --> 01:00:17,202
And it's gonna be a blast. It's gonna

1563
01:00:17,202 --> 01:00:18,869
be great to see you there, Greg.

1564
01:00:19,503 --> 01:00:22,043
So, check it out at my website,

1565
01:00:22,692 --> 01:00:25,311
Then obviously, my web page is the god

1566
01:00:25,311 --> 01:00:26,660
above god dot com.

1567
01:00:27,454 --> 01:00:29,144
That's my hub, right, A

1568
01:00:29,517 --> 01:00:30,572
radio my podcast.

1569
01:00:31,518 --> 01:00:35,268
Books, videos, articles, anything, any way you wanna

1570
01:00:35,268 --> 01:00:37,682
approach understanding no or her.

1571
01:00:38,635 --> 01:00:39,914
You can find it there.

1572
01:00:40,635 --> 01:00:42,394
I do have my books, but I am

1573
01:00:42,394 --> 01:00:43,694
excited again for

1574
01:00:44,154 --> 01:00:46,234
April of next year. It's gonna be the

1575
01:00:46,234 --> 01:00:48,808
elvis book. It's called a the Occult Elvis,

1576
01:00:49,288 --> 01:00:50,966
the magical life of the king,

1577
01:00:52,005 --> 01:00:54,003
working on right now on the draft for

1578
01:00:54,083 --> 01:00:56,001
Bowie books so that could take years. I

1579
01:00:56,001 --> 01:00:58,013
don't know. I let the spirits stake. I

1580
01:00:58,013 --> 01:00:59,210
have no expectations.

1581
01:01:00,008 --> 01:01:00,806
I also have

1582
01:01:01,524 --> 01:01:03,519
taro that we released this year,

1583
01:01:04,716 --> 01:01:08,008
the no Terror, I have the virtual alexandria.

1584
01:01:08,935 --> 01:01:12,503
Academy, if people... It's like 18 videos courses.

1585
01:01:13,074 --> 01:01:14,748
People have really liked it. And if you

1586
01:01:14,748 --> 01:01:17,061
wanna learn about agnostic, that's 1 way to

1587
01:01:17,061 --> 01:01:17,380
do it.

1588
01:01:18,337 --> 01:01:20,650
Heck yeah. And you definitely have a lot

1589
01:01:20,650 --> 01:01:24,322
of great interviews, some times, we overlap, but

1590
01:01:24,322 --> 01:01:27,572
you have much tighter focus, which is really

1591
01:01:27,572 --> 01:01:29,475
impressive. I think I would run out of

1592
01:01:29,475 --> 01:01:31,481
material. If I had such a tight focus,

1593
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,316
That's why I'd like to cast a wide

1594
01:01:33,316 --> 01:01:35,151
that, do a little of this, do some

1595
01:01:35,151 --> 01:01:38,299
40 stuff, do some conspiracy stuff. Doctor

1596
01:01:39,076 --> 01:01:41,232
Joanna Qui was 1 of your most recent

1597
01:01:41,232 --> 01:01:44,585
guests, and she is really fascinating, and she

1598
01:01:44,585 --> 01:01:46,900
definitely opened my eyes up to the idea

1599
01:01:46,900 --> 01:01:48,135
of true K

1600
01:01:48,994 --> 01:01:50,135
experience and

1601
01:01:50,914 --> 01:01:53,394
what that even is and how to try

1602
01:01:53,394 --> 01:01:54,934
to make sense of it, but

1603
01:01:55,327 --> 01:01:57,634
There is a real argument there that the

1604
01:01:57,634 --> 01:02:00,440
divine feminine was suppressed because

1605
01:02:00,894 --> 01:02:01,394
of

1606
01:02:01,769 --> 01:02:02,984
a enlightened

1607
01:02:03,692 --> 01:02:07,445
woman's ability to give this experience and all

1608
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:08,476
roads to

1609
01:02:09,246 --> 01:02:10,460
enlightenment, Psychedelics

1610
01:02:10,769 --> 01:02:13,170
everything must be suppressed and how do you

1611
01:02:13,170 --> 01:02:13,670
suppress

1612
01:02:14,369 --> 01:02:16,449
this if it's inside of a woman. You

1613
01:02:16,449 --> 01:02:18,784
gotta suppress the whole beans, so Just in

1614
01:02:18,784 --> 01:02:21,820
the same way Psychedelics were suppressed in the

1615
01:02:21,820 --> 01:02:24,297
church and like, we will be yearly liaison

1616
01:02:24,297 --> 01:02:26,455
to anything greater, and that's it.

1617
01:02:27,028 --> 01:02:28,541
You could say the same thing about women.

1618
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:30,530
It made me think that the reason for

1619
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:31,269
all that

1620
01:02:31,963 --> 01:02:33,874
was a little deeper than it seems on

1621
01:02:33,874 --> 01:02:34,351
the surface.

1622
01:02:35,481 --> 01:02:37,633
For sure, if you can suppress women, you

1623
01:02:37,633 --> 01:02:39,625
can control nature. I think it's a very

1624
01:02:39,625 --> 01:02:40,422
basic thing.

1625
01:02:41,298 --> 01:02:44,087
And again, women are the portals to the

1626
01:02:44,087 --> 01:02:45,239
chaos. That

1627
01:02:45,610 --> 01:02:48,623
Jordan Peterson talks bad about, but we need

1628
01:02:48,623 --> 01:02:51,739
balance. We need chaos order, divine feminine

1629
01:02:52,270 --> 01:02:55,644
that These energies are part of our ind

1630
01:02:55,779 --> 01:02:58,003
infiltration, and you can't suppress 1 or another,

1631
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,227
just like you can't suppress your shadow,

1632
01:03:00,798 --> 01:03:02,948
and expect things are gonna go well because

1633
01:03:02,948 --> 01:03:04,005
suppressing your shadow

1634
01:03:04,381 --> 01:03:05,757
brings a lot of pain

1635
01:03:06,132 --> 01:03:08,782
and destruction to your sanity. So

1636
01:03:09,331 --> 01:03:11,877
time to restore these things and don't be

1637
01:03:11,877 --> 01:03:13,547
afraid If you're not careful,

1638
01:03:14,025 --> 01:03:16,426
you just may learn something, and You may

1639
01:03:16,426 --> 01:03:18,811
just end up finding out who you are.

1640
01:03:20,481 --> 01:03:22,628
Amen. Look at that. A real pro. You

1641
01:03:22,628 --> 01:03:23,741
know how to stick a landing.

1642
01:03:24,312 --> 01:03:26,217
Well, I very much look forward to meeting

1643
01:03:26,217 --> 01:03:28,043
you and the gang next month, I hope

1644
01:03:28,043 --> 01:03:30,266
some Thc fans come out since there is

1645
01:03:30,266 --> 01:03:33,068
so much overlap between our 2 worlds and

1646
01:03:33,460 --> 01:03:34,820
That said, I'll see in a few weeks.

1647
01:03:35,539 --> 01:03:36,900
Awesome. Thanks for having me on.

1648
01:03:40,019 --> 01:03:42,268
Man, how the time does. Fly. 1 of

1649
01:03:42,268 --> 01:03:45,207
my favorite podcast in the game, Miguel Connor.

1650
01:03:45,922 --> 01:03:47,828
I just can't believe we haven't done this

1651
01:03:47,828 --> 01:03:50,687
more often, but the archive don't lie.

1652
01:03:51,659 --> 01:03:53,417
And I hope I'm getting this episode out

1653
01:03:53,417 --> 01:03:56,374
in time for a few Midwestern Thc fans

1654
01:03:56,374 --> 01:03:58,532
to have the time to plan to make

1655
01:03:58,532 --> 01:04:00,130
the pilgrimage out to the event.

1656
01:04:01,025 --> 01:04:02,625
It is so rare for me to pull

1657
01:04:02,625 --> 01:04:04,784
the trigger on something like this, but meeting

1658
01:04:05,025 --> 01:04:07,824
Miguel, Chris K and Steven Snyder in person

1659
01:04:07,824 --> 01:04:09,585
in the same weekend is worth it for

1660
01:04:09,585 --> 01:04:11,675
me. And I would imagine a lot of

1661
01:04:11,675 --> 01:04:12,393
people listening,

1662
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:15,266
understand that and probably agree. So come on

1663
01:04:15,266 --> 01:04:15,425
out.

1664
01:04:16,223 --> 01:04:17,420
It happens to be,

1665
01:04:17,913 --> 01:04:20,136
A perfect time and place for me on

1666
01:04:20,136 --> 01:04:22,677
a personal level, my dad requested no funeral.

1667
01:04:22,835 --> 01:04:24,661
He just wants his asha ashes buried under

1668
01:04:24,661 --> 01:04:26,329
a tree in our food forest us that

1669
01:04:26,329 --> 01:04:26,829
were

1670
01:04:27,139 --> 01:04:29,137
in the slow process of flushing out.

1671
01:04:29,856 --> 01:04:32,173
But his roots have always been in Chicago

1672
01:04:32,173 --> 01:04:34,650
and he still got several siblings there. My

1673
01:04:34,650 --> 01:04:36,577
cousin closest then to a brother that I

1674
01:04:36,577 --> 01:04:38,725
have is also there. And I think it

1675
01:04:38,725 --> 01:04:40,657
would be nice to at least see

1676
01:04:41,112 --> 01:04:43,751
his side of the fan and have a

1677
01:04:43,751 --> 01:04:46,058
meal in remembrance. So I'm gonna be fitting

1678
01:04:46,058 --> 01:04:47,194
that into the evenings

1679
01:04:48,047 --> 01:04:50,512
and spending time at the event by day,

1680
01:04:50,830 --> 01:04:53,152
Emily My wife is great and thinks this

1681
01:04:53,152 --> 01:04:55,220
would be good for me, so it's on,

1682
01:04:55,380 --> 01:04:57,607
and I hope some Thc fans make it

1683
01:04:57,607 --> 01:04:57,845
out.

1684
01:04:58,498 --> 01:05:01,050
I don't really foresee any other real world

1685
01:05:01,050 --> 01:05:02,885
stuff from me for a while,

1686
01:05:03,443 --> 01:05:05,995
but Miguel was also cool enough to give

1687
01:05:05,995 --> 01:05:08,561
plus members a coupon code for the event.

1688
01:05:09,516 --> 01:05:09,993
Obviously,

1689
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:12,458
real world events like this have a ton

1690
01:05:12,458 --> 01:05:15,242
of costs and it's an undertaking, I wouldn't

1691
01:05:15,242 --> 01:05:17,885
ever wanna endure for So it's not like

1692
01:05:17,885 --> 01:05:19,797
he can just put a code out there

1693
01:05:19,797 --> 01:05:22,609
to all listeners, but even

1694
01:05:23,225 --> 01:05:25,948
something for plus members, a really generous thing.

1695
01:05:26,108 --> 01:05:28,337
So I figured the best way to communicate

1696
01:05:28,337 --> 01:05:28,996
the code

1697
01:05:29,372 --> 01:05:31,522
in a way that it's only accessible to

1698
01:05:31,522 --> 01:05:34,401
plus members is is Probably just to do

1699
01:05:34,401 --> 01:05:37,182
something super rare and say it now and

1700
01:05:37,182 --> 01:05:39,169
red it for the free version of the

1701
01:05:39,169 --> 01:05:41,871
show. So for 20 percent off physical tickets,

1702
01:05:42,283 --> 01:05:44,827
either normal or the Vip that gets you

1703
01:05:44,827 --> 01:05:46,894
into the social event in the evening. And

1704
01:05:46,894 --> 01:05:50,248
for 15 percent off online tickets, it's So,

1705
01:05:50,407 --> 01:05:52,873
yes, even if you can't physically be there,

1706
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:56,612
you can still see all the presentations online.

1707
01:05:57,264 --> 01:05:59,422
And still get a discount. Thank you Miguel.

1708
01:06:00,221 --> 01:06:00,721
So

1709
01:06:01,099 --> 01:06:03,337
plus people will hear that added information and

1710
01:06:03,337 --> 01:06:04,855
free listeners will not,

1711
01:06:05,669 --> 01:06:07,507
All people can find the links to get

1712
01:06:07,507 --> 01:06:09,585
tickets in the show notes, but of course,

1713
01:06:09,745 --> 01:06:11,743
the code won't be there. And the code

1714
01:06:11,743 --> 01:06:14,001
saves you more than 8 dollars anyway, so

1715
01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:17,102
think about that. And maybe join plus and

1716
01:06:17,102 --> 01:06:18,454
then work your magic if you know what

1717
01:06:18,613 --> 01:06:20,999
I mean. But, yes, you can go there

1718
01:06:20,999 --> 01:06:21,499
physically

1719
01:06:22,033 --> 01:06:23,328
and you can

1720
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:26,264
Get all the presentations with an online pass,

1721
01:06:26,582 --> 01:06:29,309
and that also has a coupon code for

1722
01:06:29,684 --> 01:06:30,241
plus members.

1723
01:06:31,210 --> 01:06:33,433
But that said, still a great time talking

1724
01:06:33,433 --> 01:06:35,895
to Miguel. He knows no system as well

1725
01:06:35,895 --> 01:06:38,516
as anyone, his guests on his show really

1726
01:06:38,516 --> 01:06:39,867
present a very wide.

1727
01:06:40,279 --> 01:06:41,894
Range of thoughts and opinions

1728
01:06:42,351 --> 01:06:43,944
on it in various ways.

1729
01:06:44,820 --> 01:06:46,574
And I think he's really good at handling

1730
01:06:46,574 --> 01:06:48,088
the question. I think a lot of us

1731
01:06:48,088 --> 01:06:50,734
have, which is if no is is a

1732
01:06:50,734 --> 01:06:52,434
dark philosophy or

1733
01:06:52,894 --> 01:06:54,655
spiritual orientation as he would say.

1734
01:06:55,614 --> 01:06:58,675
And just as conspiracy researchers with a Christian

1735
01:06:58,974 --> 01:07:01,480
perspective tend to say well, in my paradigm

1736
01:07:01,537 --> 01:07:04,639
bad things come from Satan, thus the Esoteric

1737
01:07:04,639 --> 01:07:05,696
elite are satan,

1738
01:07:06,885 --> 01:07:08,664
which obviously to me is an overs

1739
01:07:09,125 --> 01:07:09,625
simplification

1740
01:07:10,324 --> 01:07:13,445
used to confirm one's worldview. It seems like

1741
01:07:13,445 --> 01:07:16,018
the same could be said about no and

1742
01:07:16,018 --> 01:07:18,835
that for an individual, it is about transcend

1743
01:07:19,134 --> 01:07:20,892
and taking your life in your own hands

1744
01:07:20,892 --> 01:07:24,262
and developing your spiritual self through direct experience

1745
01:07:24,262 --> 01:07:24,980
and discipline.

1746
01:07:26,176 --> 01:07:27,133
I'm pro that,

1747
01:07:28,090 --> 01:07:30,503
as well as the broad idea of awakening

1748
01:07:30,641 --> 01:07:33,365
to deeper realities all around us the whole

1749
01:07:33,365 --> 01:07:34,501
they live cons

1750
01:07:34,954 --> 01:07:35,431
awakening.

1751
01:07:36,385 --> 01:07:38,928
And I do think that's a spiritual experience,

1752
01:07:39,087 --> 01:07:39,746
a cons

1753
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,994
awakening. But obviously, it's Around here, we like

1754
01:07:42,994 --> 01:07:44,818
to talk that talk and walk that walk.

1755
01:07:45,611 --> 01:07:48,070
Now, Christian might say, well, the elite hate

1756
01:07:48,149 --> 01:07:50,468
God, so they're trying to break his creation

1757
01:07:50,468 --> 01:07:51,526
and push trans,

1758
01:07:52,063 --> 01:07:53,259
and that's agnostic.

1759
01:07:53,817 --> 01:07:56,847
But I see trans as a deeper deception,

1760
01:07:57,166 --> 01:07:58,681
a matrix within a matrix.

1761
01:07:59,493 --> 01:08:00,448
As Miguel said,

1762
01:08:01,244 --> 01:08:03,711
you know, what is so transcend about living

1763
01:08:03,711 --> 01:08:06,496
in Vr merging further with the artificial?

1764
01:08:07,464 --> 01:08:10,238
It seems like they're trying to make reality

1765
01:08:10,238 --> 01:08:11,744
so uncomfortable for us,

1766
01:08:12,457 --> 01:08:13,963
physically and financially,

1767
01:08:14,613 --> 01:08:17,240
that we hurt ourselves into a deeper digital

1768
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,708
pen where we can live as avatars of

1769
01:08:19,708 --> 01:08:21,938
our ideals without ever having to do the

1770
01:08:21,938 --> 01:08:22,438
work

1771
01:08:23,146 --> 01:08:25,214
You can just be a wizard or a

1772
01:08:25,214 --> 01:08:25,714
superhero

1773
01:08:26,089 --> 01:08:28,237
or a dog that gets locked on a

1774
01:08:28,237 --> 01:08:29,271
leash if you're into that.

1775
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,307
And we can spend our time in very

1776
01:08:32,307 --> 01:08:34,000
big epic expansive

1777
01:08:34,375 --> 01:08:37,953
digital worlds from our studio apartment in a

1778
01:08:37,953 --> 01:08:38,907
dystopian smart city.

1779
01:08:39,797 --> 01:08:41,710
If you're seen Ready Player 1, you know

1780
01:08:41,710 --> 01:08:42,984
exactly what I'm talking about.

1781
01:08:43,940 --> 01:08:46,411
That is the trajectory, the elite h on,

1782
01:08:46,649 --> 01:08:48,801
and I don't really see it as agnostic.

1783
01:08:49,773 --> 01:08:51,389
I don't see it as transcend

1784
01:08:51,766 --> 01:08:54,078
because it's not breaking out and up. It's

1785
01:08:54,078 --> 01:08:55,035
digging down and in.

1786
01:08:56,231 --> 01:08:58,305
I do find it somewhat compelling when guests.

1787
01:08:58,639 --> 01:09:01,032
Say that the elites see themselves as the

1788
01:09:01,032 --> 01:09:02,547
good guys, and I don't know if that's

1789
01:09:02,547 --> 01:09:05,020
true. I think Bill Gates and fauci and

1790
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:07,572
Klaus schwab know that their dark people with

1791
01:09:07,572 --> 01:09:08,210
dark agendas.

1792
01:09:09,100 --> 01:09:10,768
And I'll never know what's in their heads

1793
01:09:10,768 --> 01:09:13,389
or hearts, but just the seeking of power

1794
01:09:13,389 --> 01:09:16,170
and the accumulation of wealth seems to suggest

1795
01:09:16,170 --> 01:09:16,567
to me,

1796
01:09:17,377 --> 01:09:20,318
that they aren't under some illusion or assumption

1797
01:09:20,318 --> 01:09:21,351
that they're doing good.

1798
01:09:22,385 --> 01:09:24,054
But, let's just follow that train of thought

1799
01:09:24,054 --> 01:09:26,042
for a minute. Let's say that they do...

1800
01:09:26,614 --> 01:09:27,991
Some mental gymnastics

1801
01:09:29,007 --> 01:09:30,863
that lead them to think a global

1802
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,191
pandemic is needed to increase global security. The

1803
01:09:34,191 --> 01:09:36,345
ends justify the means kind of thinking.

1804
01:09:37,314 --> 01:09:39,781
Well, if they have some spiritual beliefs that

1805
01:09:39,781 --> 01:09:40,895
are attached to that,

1806
01:09:41,770 --> 01:09:43,759
and they think they're being limited by a

1807
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:44,952
tyra demo,

1808
01:09:45,844 --> 01:09:47,999
Then maybe there's a logic in there somewhere

1809
01:09:47,999 --> 01:09:49,057
that they feel

1810
01:09:49,515 --> 01:09:52,070
that reality must be pushed up against in

1811
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:54,225
any and always ways possible, messing with the

1812
01:09:54,225 --> 01:09:55,515
genetic codes of life,

1813
01:09:56,153 --> 01:09:58,941
pushing to get out up into space, physically,

1814
01:09:59,260 --> 01:10:00,056
etcetera, etcetera,

1815
01:10:00,614 --> 01:10:02,765
and that goal is so important that the

1816
01:10:02,765 --> 01:10:04,935
fallout is worth it, Know, you gotta crack

1817
01:10:04,935 --> 01:10:06,695
a few eggs to make an omelet all

1818
01:10:06,695 --> 01:10:06,854
that.

1819
01:10:07,814 --> 01:10:10,215
I suppose there could be something there, but

1820
01:10:10,215 --> 01:10:12,375
all this comes down to how you personally

1821
01:10:12,375 --> 01:10:14,807
wanna frame it. A lot of it is

1822
01:10:15,585 --> 01:10:17,819
if this then that kind of thinking,

1823
01:10:18,537 --> 01:10:20,453
and agnostic is so broad that you can

1824
01:10:20,453 --> 01:10:21,570
make it whatever you want.

1825
01:10:22,462 --> 01:10:24,473
But I appreciate a rebel philosophy.

1826
01:10:25,405 --> 01:10:27,076
And if you take these groups back to

1827
01:10:27,076 --> 01:10:30,179
the context of their time, religious authorities were

1828
01:10:30,179 --> 01:10:30,679
basically,

1829
01:10:31,229 --> 01:10:32,368
the state. So

1830
01:10:32,746 --> 01:10:34,582
they'd look at the authority of their day

1831
01:10:34,582 --> 01:10:36,897
and say, you're insane you're corrupt.

1832
01:10:37,536 --> 01:10:39,930
And so is this being that you say

1833
01:10:39,930 --> 01:10:42,260
your worship being, and I'm not about that.

1834
01:10:43,057 --> 01:10:45,631
When we talk about some world events

1835
01:10:46,009 --> 01:10:46,509
mirroring

1836
01:10:47,204 --> 01:10:49,039
the book of revelation and the market of

1837
01:10:49,039 --> 01:10:51,604
the beast, and you can't have commerce without

1838
01:10:51,604 --> 01:10:54,149
it, and it might be the smartphone or

1839
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:57,172
some kind of qr chip tattoo.

1840
01:10:57,823 --> 01:10:59,255
This sort of material.

1841
01:11:00,130 --> 01:11:01,720
Or we look at the tower of Ba

1842
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:02,618
story where

1843
01:11:03,152 --> 01:11:05,457
people built a tower that got to the

1844
01:11:05,457 --> 01:11:08,264
upper, heavenly realm and God said fuck you

1845
01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:09,881
guys smashed it and

1846
01:11:10,578 --> 01:11:11,615
corrupted all the language.

1847
01:11:12,414 --> 01:11:13,872
Well, it seems as if

1848
01:11:14,423 --> 01:11:16,912
the bean that runs this physical place

1849
01:11:17,527 --> 01:11:20,391
is not shy about wiping it out and

1850
01:11:20,391 --> 01:11:21,266
killing everybody,

1851
01:11:22,078 --> 01:11:23,753
if it doesn't like what we're doing,

1852
01:11:24,711 --> 01:11:26,226
that would be the flood myth and all

1853
01:11:26,226 --> 01:11:26,385
that.

1854
01:11:27,183 --> 01:11:28,698
And then you gotta ask well is that

1855
01:11:28,698 --> 01:11:30,293
the right way to handle a problem.

1856
01:11:32,062 --> 01:11:33,890
Does handling a problem that way,

1857
01:11:34,685 --> 01:11:36,299
suggest a tyra

1858
01:11:36,991 --> 01:11:37,491
psychopathic,

1859
01:11:38,979 --> 01:11:39,297
insane,

1860
01:11:40,269 --> 01:11:40,769
custodian

1861
01:11:41,547 --> 01:11:43,705
or a just peaceful loving god.

1862
01:11:44,743 --> 01:11:47,381
Again, Miguel domain is the God above god.

1863
01:11:47,541 --> 01:11:49,469
We are on the same page that we

1864
01:11:49,469 --> 01:11:51,005
love the ultimate creator

1865
01:11:51,619 --> 01:11:54,009
being the good guy up there, but maybe

1866
01:11:54,009 --> 01:11:56,557
there's something else in between us and that

1867
01:11:56,557 --> 01:11:56,796
thing.

1868
01:11:57,769 --> 01:11:59,765
So again, yeah, it's all about framing.

1869
01:12:00,725 --> 01:12:02,402
And maybe this is a tale as old

1870
01:12:02,402 --> 01:12:04,573
as time, but should we ever take the

1871
01:12:04,573 --> 01:12:06,569
state at its word when telling us about

1872
01:12:06,569 --> 01:12:07,846
the people that it kills.

1873
01:12:08,725 --> 01:12:11,039
If what we know about the Seth and

1874
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:13,569
the cath and the knights temp come from

1875
01:12:13,689 --> 01:12:15,677
the ones who murdered and tortured them,

1876
01:12:16,472 --> 01:12:18,063
should we assume that's bullshit?

1877
01:12:19,018 --> 01:12:21,643
Again, if you're conventionally religious, you might trust

1878
01:12:21,643 --> 01:12:23,411
the church and and you might trust their

1879
01:12:23,411 --> 01:12:25,087
reasoning for doing what they did.

1880
01:12:25,805 --> 01:12:27,801
But I'm a simple man and I say

1881
01:12:27,801 --> 01:12:30,569
if you're killing large numbers of people, and

1882
01:12:31,010 --> 01:12:33,489
Not in self defense, then there is no

1883
01:12:33,489 --> 01:12:35,729
good reason for that, and I apply that

1884
01:12:35,729 --> 01:12:38,849
logic to any situation in any time and

1885
01:12:38,849 --> 01:12:39,170
space.

1886
01:12:40,622 --> 01:12:42,697
But I thought this was a helpful interview

1887
01:12:42,697 --> 01:12:44,373
and talking through some of that with a

1888
01:12:44,373 --> 01:12:46,688
person who has really made this material a

1889
01:12:46,688 --> 01:12:47,645
huge part of their life.

1890
01:12:48,380 --> 01:12:50,859
Really, it's just talking about ideas. I think

1891
01:12:50,859 --> 01:12:51,359
sometimes

1892
01:12:51,899 --> 01:12:54,539
listeners might get way too vested and who

1893
01:12:54,539 --> 01:12:55,260
thinks what?

1894
01:12:56,233 --> 01:12:58,468
I actually heard recently that by the nature

1895
01:12:58,468 --> 01:13:00,624
of being a curious thinker, you're not even

1896
01:13:00,624 --> 01:13:03,019
gonna agree with yourself half the time or

1897
01:13:03,019 --> 01:13:04,696
from year to year or maybe even day

1898
01:13:04,696 --> 01:13:05,095
to day,

1899
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:08,226
Otherwise, it kind of implies that you stop

1900
01:13:08,226 --> 01:13:09,984
growing and exploring new things.

1901
01:13:11,024 --> 01:13:13,341
I believe in that, but speaking of exploring

1902
01:13:13,341 --> 01:13:16,550
new stuff, while the curious conspiracy minded masses

1903
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:18,864
certainly have more to chew on regarding the

1904
01:13:19,024 --> 01:13:19,524
Trump

1905
01:13:19,982 --> 01:13:22,137
assassination attempt now than they did in the

1906
01:13:22,137 --> 01:13:23,176
first 24 hours.

1907
01:13:24,065 --> 01:13:25,970
I kinda made hasty comments at the end

1908
01:13:25,970 --> 01:13:27,479
of the last show because I had to

1909
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:29,780
say something about such a big event, but

1910
01:13:29,939 --> 01:13:32,003
I didn't wanna jump any conclusions or try

1911
01:13:32,003 --> 01:13:34,086
to make at something more than it seemed

1912
01:13:34,086 --> 01:13:34,563
to be.

1913
01:13:35,438 --> 01:13:38,222
And I probably agree with about 70 percent

1914
01:13:38,222 --> 01:13:40,371
of what I said then. The media has

1915
01:13:40,371 --> 01:13:42,772
drilled in that Trump is such an existential

1916
01:13:42,772 --> 01:13:45,395
threat, how could something like this not happen,

1917
01:13:46,588 --> 01:13:48,337
especially right in the window of time where

1918
01:13:48,337 --> 01:13:50,246
it starts to look pretty obvious that he's

1919
01:13:50,246 --> 01:13:50,802
gonna win,

1920
01:13:51,613 --> 01:13:53,525
I do think those who have this Trump

1921
01:13:53,525 --> 01:13:56,633
der arrangement syndrome bear some responsibility and it's

1922
01:13:56,633 --> 01:13:58,704
funny to hear them back pedal now and

1923
01:13:58,704 --> 01:14:00,697
say, well, I'm glad he's okay.

1924
01:14:01,427 --> 01:14:03,496
But he's still a threat to democracy and

1925
01:14:03,496 --> 01:14:06,121
if he wins then expect fascism in America

1926
01:14:06,121 --> 01:14:07,473
and the end of our way of life.

1927
01:14:08,444 --> 01:14:10,355
And honestly, I don't see how both can

1928
01:14:10,355 --> 01:14:12,984
be true. You're either lying about being glad

1929
01:14:12,984 --> 01:14:13,962
he's okay

1930
01:14:14,339 --> 01:14:17,048
or you're exaggerating how severe a Trump win

1931
01:14:17,048 --> 01:14:17,446
would be.

1932
01:14:18,339 --> 01:14:20,896
Personally, I think both, but you can't really

1933
01:14:20,896 --> 01:14:22,734
hype it up that it's gonna be anything

1934
01:14:22,734 --> 01:14:24,332
different than it was the first time, because

1935
01:14:24,332 --> 01:14:26,170
he's already been there for 4 fucking years.

1936
01:14:27,063 --> 01:14:29,057
So that's 1 thing, but man, tons of

1937
01:14:29,057 --> 01:14:30,654
new information has come out.

1938
01:14:31,292 --> 01:14:33,446
There's no shortage of Twitter threads.

1939
01:14:34,658 --> 01:14:36,256
Where people try to lay out their own

1940
01:14:36,256 --> 01:14:38,733
narratives, but a lot of them do circle

1941
01:14:38,733 --> 01:14:41,230
around some key bits of information

1942
01:14:41,623 --> 01:14:43,217
And I actually did put up the bat

1943
01:14:43,217 --> 01:14:44,992
signal to Ryan Christian,

1944
01:14:45,448 --> 01:14:47,042
and we're gonna do a real deep dive

1945
01:14:47,042 --> 01:14:49,511
on all of it and how the crowds

1946
01:14:49,511 --> 01:14:52,000
strike stuff might even be connect did, but

1947
01:14:52,079 --> 01:14:53,380
I'm gonna be out of town

1948
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,760
in San Diego this week for a friend's

1949
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,400
wedding and Ryan will probably be my first

1950
01:14:58,400 --> 01:14:59,460
guest of August

1951
01:15:00,014 --> 01:15:02,171
which really will give us proper time to

1952
01:15:02,171 --> 01:15:04,728
bring all the alternative narratives and new claims

1953
01:15:04,728 --> 01:15:06,405
together and summarize the bulk of it for

1954
01:15:06,405 --> 01:15:06,885
you guys.

1955
01:15:07,617 --> 01:15:09,367
I know that pretty much everybody is doing

1956
01:15:09,367 --> 01:15:11,617
that, but I can't think of anyone better

1957
01:15:12,072 --> 01:15:13,981
to be that guy for us than Ryan.

1958
01:15:14,951 --> 01:15:16,564
That said, now we're getting

1959
01:15:16,939 --> 01:15:19,347
information that the secret service team

1960
01:15:19,722 --> 01:15:22,189
was not just bare bones like I said

1961
01:15:22,189 --> 01:15:22,506
before,

1962
01:15:23,238 --> 01:15:25,550
But inexperienced almost intentionally.

1963
01:15:26,266 --> 01:15:28,020
We have to ask why Cnn and the

1964
01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:30,730
networks were live streaming this Trump rally when

1965
01:15:30,730 --> 01:15:33,064
they tend to have a blackout around that

1966
01:15:33,064 --> 01:15:33,784
sort of coverage.

1967
01:15:34,585 --> 01:15:36,425
And we have to see if this kid

1968
01:15:36,425 --> 01:15:38,444
checks any boxes within a typical

1969
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:40,616
Mk ultra framework.

1970
01:15:41,394 --> 01:15:43,389
And now with the new information we've gotten

1971
01:15:43,389 --> 01:15:44,746
this week, I would say yes.

1972
01:15:45,624 --> 01:15:47,301
Given what we know about Mk ultra,

1973
01:15:47,873 --> 01:15:49,942
What would be the career choices of his

1974
01:15:49,942 --> 01:15:52,113
parents that would make you most skeptical

1975
01:15:52,568 --> 01:15:54,636
outside of literal positions in the government?

1976
01:15:55,529 --> 01:15:59,041
I would say behavioral studies and psychiatry. Well,

1977
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,632
both of his parents check that box, big

1978
01:16:02,632 --> 01:16:03,591
red flag for me.

1979
01:16:04,403 --> 01:16:05,917
We have reports that he was walking around

1980
01:16:05,917 --> 01:16:08,309
for a long time, being seen by many

1981
01:16:08,309 --> 01:16:11,279
people, aiming his gun at a cop, acting

1982
01:16:11,417 --> 01:16:11,917
strangely.

1983
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:14,372
Carrying a ladder a half mile in some

1984
01:16:14,372 --> 01:16:14,689
reports,

1985
01:16:15,562 --> 01:16:17,387
maybe even getting caught with a scope,

1986
01:16:18,181 --> 01:16:19,213
being confused,

1987
01:16:19,943 --> 01:16:21,238
not even being subtle

1988
01:16:21,613 --> 01:16:22,648
in broad daylight.

1989
01:16:23,204 --> 01:16:25,113
This is a person under some sort of

1990
01:16:25,113 --> 01:16:26,148
influence and to think,

1991
01:16:26,878 --> 01:16:28,649
With all these details

1992
01:16:29,181 --> 01:16:31,427
and looking at the layout of the scene

1993
01:16:31,881 --> 01:16:33,707
that he just fooled the secret service,

1994
01:16:34,184 --> 01:16:35,693
that's more than just a stretch.

1995
01:16:36,263 --> 01:16:39,204
This seems more than just creating the conditions

1996
01:16:39,204 --> 01:16:41,669
broadly. It seems a lot more planned and

1997
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:41,987
set up.

1998
01:16:42,941 --> 01:16:45,898
The kids parents apparently called the cops, when

1999
01:16:45,898 --> 01:16:47,806
he was an hour late from coming home.

2000
01:16:47,966 --> 01:16:50,988
I mean, he's 20, that's weird. It's like

2001
01:16:50,988 --> 01:16:52,578
they knew he wasn't in a good state

2002
01:16:52,578 --> 01:16:53,851
of mind or that maybe some...

2003
01:16:54,503 --> 01:16:55,780
Fbi inspired la,

2004
01:16:56,577 --> 01:16:59,210
was spilling over into a real life world

2005
01:16:59,210 --> 01:16:59,448
event.

2006
01:17:00,326 --> 01:17:02,559
He also apparently had a burner phone, probably

2007
01:17:02,559 --> 01:17:04,805
given to him by whoever was coaching him

2008
01:17:04,805 --> 01:17:05,044
along,

2009
01:17:05,919 --> 01:17:07,590
and I'm sure that's not the phone that

2010
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:09,123
they broke into and

2011
01:17:09,578 --> 01:17:12,385
told everybody about coaching And I can't agree

2012
01:17:12,385 --> 01:17:14,305
with those who think this was a setup

2013
01:17:14,305 --> 01:17:17,265
event by the Trump people because they already

2014
01:17:17,265 --> 01:17:19,345
had a great deal of momentum. There was

2015
01:17:19,345 --> 01:17:20,305
no reason to do this.

2016
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,920
From that perspective and stage this. What I

2017
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,340
see is a desperate attempt to hold power

2018
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,239
when it seems to be slipping away.

2019
01:17:29,293 --> 01:17:31,289
Everyone who ever had faith in Biden is

2020
01:17:31,289 --> 01:17:34,163
losing it, and so something desperate was set

2021
01:17:34,163 --> 01:17:36,239
up and it didn't work, and now Biden

2022
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:38,729
has Covid and will probably drop out. That

2023
01:17:38,729 --> 01:17:40,649
narrative seems pretty convincing to me.

2024
01:17:41,529 --> 01:17:43,850
The biggest questions left in my mind are

2025
01:17:43,850 --> 01:17:46,090
well. I thought the left right divide was

2026
01:17:46,090 --> 01:17:47,289
just political theater.

2027
01:17:48,103 --> 01:17:50,172
Maybe on some levels it is and on

2028
01:17:50,172 --> 01:17:52,481
the street level, there are some people who

2029
01:17:52,481 --> 01:17:54,710
really have a vested interest in their team

2030
01:17:54,710 --> 01:17:55,586
versus the other team.

2031
01:17:56,317 --> 01:17:57,293
The other question

2032
01:17:57,747 --> 01:17:59,575
would be well why risk it with this

2033
01:17:59,575 --> 01:18:01,880
mentally scrambled kid? Why leave it up to

2034
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,152
him to complete the mission?

2035
01:18:04,283 --> 01:18:06,038
Well, I think the answer there is that

2036
01:18:06,038 --> 01:18:08,033
it looks like the old Kansas city shuffle.

2037
01:18:08,752 --> 01:18:10,747
Everyone looking over here at this dead kid

2038
01:18:10,747 --> 01:18:11,305
on the roof.

2039
01:18:12,275 --> 01:18:13,943
Much like with Jfk k and the Grass

2040
01:18:14,022 --> 01:18:16,087
K. It seems in this case, the shots

2041
01:18:16,087 --> 01:18:18,152
might have come from somewhere else. Some are

2042
01:18:18,152 --> 01:18:19,263
saying the water tower,

2043
01:18:19,992 --> 01:18:22,296
Some are claiming the real shooter zip lined

2044
01:18:22,296 --> 01:18:24,361
down from the water tower into the trees

2045
01:18:24,361 --> 01:18:25,631
where an Suv was waiting.

2046
01:18:26,346 --> 01:18:27,481
I guess that's a possibility.

2047
01:18:28,670 --> 01:18:30,590
But I've heard this gun that the kid

2048
01:18:30,590 --> 01:18:33,470
had should have made for an easy shot

2049
01:18:33,470 --> 01:18:35,869
within 600 yards, and he was only a

2050
01:18:35,869 --> 01:18:38,040
hundred and 50 yards away. And with an

2051
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,186
iron site, which means that it seems like

2052
01:18:40,186 --> 01:18:42,515
the kid was never supposed to do anything,

2053
01:18:43,207 --> 01:18:44,638
but get shot on that roof.

2054
01:18:45,686 --> 01:18:47,914
But a train sniper can make shots as

2055
01:18:47,914 --> 01:18:49,586
far as 2000

2056
01:18:49,586 --> 01:18:52,371
yards away. Sometimes they say even double that.

2057
01:18:53,104 --> 01:18:56,864
Well, a mile is only 1760

2058
01:18:56,864 --> 01:18:57,345
yards.

2059
01:18:58,064 --> 01:19:00,864
So you're talking about a damn mile or

2060
01:19:00,864 --> 01:19:01,685
more possibly.

2061
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:02,957
To me,

2062
01:19:03,595 --> 01:19:06,150
that person could have been anywhere, and you're

2063
01:19:06,150 --> 01:19:08,406
not gonna take a photo of the scene

2064
01:19:08,864 --> 01:19:11,074
that's gonna encompass the range in which that

2065
01:19:11,194 --> 01:19:13,739
shooter could actually have been in, and the

2066
01:19:13,739 --> 01:19:15,887
further away they are, the more reasonable it

2067
01:19:15,887 --> 01:19:17,319
is that they missed by an inch.

2068
01:19:18,449 --> 01:19:20,849
If that bullet photo is real, captured by

2069
01:19:20,849 --> 01:19:22,849
the same photographer who took the famous bush

2070
01:19:22,849 --> 01:19:25,170
reading to kids on 09:11 photo, by the

2071
01:19:25,170 --> 01:19:26,130
way, small world.

2072
01:19:26,703 --> 01:19:28,612
Well, the bullet doesn't look like it's coming

2073
01:19:28,612 --> 01:19:30,362
down from the water tower. It looks like

2074
01:19:30,362 --> 01:19:32,828
it's coming straight, but maybe from much further

2075
01:19:32,828 --> 01:19:33,067
away.

2076
01:19:34,194 --> 01:19:36,098
Then you got the Ace esoteric stuff, the

2077
01:19:36,098 --> 01:19:38,954
illuminati card game, enough is enough card that

2078
01:19:38,954 --> 01:19:41,097
says r snipers can get you time at

2079
01:19:41,097 --> 01:19:41,733
any place.

2080
01:19:42,224 --> 01:19:43,733
And it looks like Trump's face,

2081
01:19:44,447 --> 01:19:47,068
and then hulk Hogan using that exact phrase

2082
01:19:47,068 --> 01:19:48,973
of the Rn c in his speech before

2083
01:19:49,132 --> 01:19:51,037
Trump with Jason A there?

2084
01:19:51,770 --> 01:19:53,770
And we all remember the Vegas card and

2085
01:19:53,770 --> 01:19:55,449
his tattoo in the harvest festival.

2086
01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:58,570
So you know me? I'm not trying to

2087
01:19:58,570 --> 01:20:00,979
jump the gun and I try not to

2088
01:20:00,979 --> 01:20:03,286
get too attached to any un undo narratives,

2089
01:20:03,445 --> 01:20:03,922
but yes,

2090
01:20:04,638 --> 01:20:06,388
so much of this seems like a lot

2091
01:20:06,388 --> 01:20:08,546
more, I set up, and I was willing

2092
01:20:08,546 --> 01:20:10,211
to conclude the morning after.

2093
01:20:11,083 --> 01:20:12,986
Add in the Black rock commercial, the kid

2094
01:20:12,986 --> 01:20:14,412
was in. I mean, what is that?

2095
01:20:15,618 --> 01:20:17,946
But it does feel like the Mk ultra

2096
01:20:18,002 --> 01:20:20,305
template was just dusted off and the kid

2097
01:20:20,305 --> 01:20:22,847
was set up as a brain scrambled distraction.

2098
01:20:23,419 --> 01:20:26,052
And the trained person tasked with taken the

2099
01:20:26,052 --> 01:20:27,329
real shot also missed.

2100
01:20:28,686 --> 01:20:30,122
But with a lot of events, as I've

2101
01:20:30,122 --> 01:20:32,134
said, you can get really gran and try

2102
01:20:32,134 --> 01:20:33,812
to confirm every little detail,

2103
01:20:34,531 --> 01:20:35,511
but you usually

2104
01:20:36,130 --> 01:20:38,207
are gonna hit a dead end somewhere. You're

2105
01:20:38,207 --> 01:20:40,180
usually gonna have to make a few assumption

2106
01:20:40,537 --> 01:20:43,003
and that's also fine. But like so many

2107
01:20:43,003 --> 01:20:45,310
things, broadly speaking, I think we know what

2108
01:20:45,310 --> 01:20:46,765
we need to know about this

2109
01:20:47,394 --> 01:20:49,406
though it'll still be interesting to go over

2110
01:20:49,543 --> 01:20:51,614
in greater detail all the little details with

2111
01:20:51,774 --> 01:20:52,569
Ryan next week,

2112
01:20:53,605 --> 01:20:55,777
But a general template is

2113
01:20:56,168 --> 01:20:57,921
pretty well formed at this point.

2114
01:20:58,717 --> 01:21:00,389
And who knows what might happen in the

2115
01:21:00,389 --> 01:21:03,016
meantime, too? It's getting crazy out there. But

2116
01:21:03,016 --> 01:21:05,180
those are some additional thoughts to what I

2117
01:21:05,180 --> 01:21:06,608
said in the wrap up of the last

2118
01:21:06,608 --> 01:21:09,385
show. Though I did say maybe on several

2119
01:21:09,385 --> 01:21:10,892
of the things where I'm now just saying,

2120
01:21:11,051 --> 01:21:12,637
yeah, it does look to be that way.

2121
01:21:12,876 --> 01:21:15,050
As to But speaking of the last episode

2122
01:21:15,050 --> 01:21:17,609
with Lara Knight Ja, it seems like the

2123
01:21:17,609 --> 01:21:19,849
plus people did enjoy at 4.8

2124
01:21:19,849 --> 01:21:22,979
an excellence. Score after a 4.9 from pope.

2125
01:21:23,538 --> 01:21:24,416
Really good stuff.

2126
01:21:25,215 --> 01:21:27,369
So come on. Join plus, I'm on a

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roll and you're missing a lot. 7 day

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free trial to start you out and now

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even a coupon code to come hang out

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an astro in a few weeks.

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Also in today's plus show with Miguel,

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The second hour was pretty well dominated by

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his upcoming work on David Bowie and Elvis.

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01:21:44,228 --> 01:21:46,545
Elvis was way more mystical and may be

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magical than his agents and marketing team painted

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him out to be.

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01:21:50,773 --> 01:21:52,760
Some of that was really fascinating. I look

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01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,302
forward to Miguel finished products on that work.

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01:21:55,619 --> 01:21:58,032
All We also talked about the hero's journey

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template and its parallels with the agnostic

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01:22:01,468 --> 01:22:04,265
orientation, the best advice for exploring your inner

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worlds

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modernizing the story of Sofia,

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transcend dental meditation, a lot of good stuff.

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Become a plus member and get your self

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more of the show you enjoy and help

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me be successful as a bonus by product.

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And the last piece of the puzzle, as

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you know is the meetup calendar.

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Here we go.

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July 20 fourth, Oak shire public house in

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Eugene Oregon, also the 20 fourth corner Bakery

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cafe in Pasadena,

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01:22:32,942 --> 01:22:36,140
July 20 seventh, the Dickens inn in London

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01:22:37,149 --> 01:22:40,323
and September seventh, poor house Barbecue in Ka

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New Hampshire.

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Okay. Nice. So a couple new events added

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a couple repeat events, which is a good

2159
01:22:46,404 --> 01:22:48,082
sign that it has gone well the first

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time in these places.

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Higher side meetup dot com to rs or

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make your own event.

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01:22:54,878 --> 01:22:56,394
And now I'm gonna wrap this thing up.

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Big. Thanks to Miguel for talking to me

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today, and for the count codes for the

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event.

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I've done my part.

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Your move, false reality facilitator, dam foot soldiers

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and Ark con controlled elite.

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Your

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fucking

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You can try your best, but you won't

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01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:16,180
succeed.

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In the trans

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future we see.

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01:23:24,537 --> 01:23:27,524
We'll keep you words you can't sleep.

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01:23:29,421 --> 01:23:30,640
Deck is a

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It's just 1 chip behind your face

2179
01:23:41,304 --> 01:23:44,524
and some parts below we can replace.

2180
01:23:47,380 --> 01:23:50,117
Progress leaves no hard to waste.

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01:24:00,079 --> 01:24:00,579
Lights

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01:24:01,515 --> 01:24:02,015
inside

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01:24:03,748 --> 01:24:04,806
your head

2184
01:24:05,343 --> 01:24:05,843
forever

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01:24:20,191 --> 01:24:21,150
to fix you.

2186
01:24:26,757 --> 01:24:27,257
Your

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01:24:27,790 --> 01:24:29,561
computational powers grow.

2188
01:24:32,161 --> 01:24:34,742
While you're run in the loop. Cat videos.

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Cash flow.

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Increase.

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01:24:52,303 --> 01:24:52,803
Inside

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01:24:54,541 --> 01:24:55,520
your head

2193
01:24:56,219 --> 01:24:56,719
forever

2194
01:25:05,551 --> 01:25:06,685
to fix you

2195
01:25:07,217 --> 01:25:08,582
the people that get it.

2196
01:25:09,378 --> 01:25:11,470
Should have us a massive advantage

2197
01:25:12,085 --> 01:25:13,596
over people that don't have it yet.

2198
01:25:14,552 --> 01:25:15,666
Well, I mean, it's the kind of thing

2199
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where... Your productivity would improve

2200
01:25:19,515 --> 01:25:22,332
dramatically mix like 10 with it. So

2201
01:25:23,031 --> 01:25:23,850
you could definitely

2202
01:25:25,045 --> 01:25:25,284
you know,

2203
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I don't know, they got learn and do

2204
01:25:28,404 --> 01:25:30,645
it and turn the money back real fast.

2205
01:25:31,699 --> 01:25:32,576
Jasper part.

2206
01:25:33,930 --> 01:25:35,626
When do you think you're gonna do

2207
01:25:36,322 --> 01:25:37,198
How long will you weigh?

2208
01:25:52,649 --> 01:25:54,101
Our big dream.

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01:25:55,521 --> 01:25:56,894
A new phase,

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a

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for moly

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human

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raise,

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01:26:04,029 --> 01:26:05,408
a big dream,

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01:26:06,825 --> 01:26:08,204
a new vase.

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01:26:09,701 --> 01:26:10,201
Stand

2217
01:26:15,302 --> 01:26:16,680
our big dream,

2218
01:26:18,094 --> 01:26:18,913
a new,

2219
01:26:21,378 --> 01:26:22,672
mind for holly

2220
01:26:23,443 --> 01:26:23,943
human

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01:26:24,634 --> 01:26:25,134
raise

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01:26:26,538 --> 01:26:27,912
a big dream.

2223
01:26:29,413 --> 01:26:30,710
A new face.

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Standby