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pope,
welcome to the higher side.
Hey, it's great to be here, man, and
thank you once again for that great introduction.
During I'm flattered.
I try. And thanks for taking the time.
It was after a few interviews with our
mutual friend schwab that he recommended. I take
a look at. Your subs if I was
interested in some schwab adjacent takes on similar
subjects. And you and I started talking about
an interview, over a year ago, and then
your Twitter account was banned, and only recently
do we make contact again. And in that
time, you've started this series
between Za and S that I really love
and is probably gonna take up the bulk
of our time together, but I wanted to
start by introducing people to your perspective d
and ways of seen things. You have a
post titled unreal reality nature loves to hide
and you write a few things that I
think make a good place to start. Jumping
around a little bit, you say,
once upon a time, I struck a certain
unspoken deal with the world around me, I
swore oath, a covenant of sorts. That in
ina and slippery intelligence that surrounds all things.
A promise that I would devote my days
is to trans figuring the quota
into the uncanny. So Mystic is nothing more
than the ability to interact and perceive the
ordinary,
extraordinarily
to meet the dawn with a certain conviction
a resolve
to see beyond the dark sheet of daily
life, past routine and glimpse the world with
a fresh wonder and terror
To understand this world, you must grasp the
fact that everything is in flux and that
all things transform
that beans come in and out of existence
in the blink of an eye Most men
just lack the will to notice. I have
seen birds manifest in the sky and disappear
into thin air. I have watched monstrous men
walk, behind me down a dark alley and
disappear through a dead end. Once you realize
these things, life becomes a little more sensible
Once you grasp the am logic that orders
are waking forms and energy, the world may
finally open up to your inquiries.
Well, I love that, but elaborate a little
bit more on these
realizations and the insightful,
experiences that have opened you up to these
perspectives.
Well, I'll put it this way. Ever since
I was a child. It was always kind
of an odd duck.
And this kind of weirdness is underlying kind
of strange
I eventually came to embrace.
This strange
overlap
between all of our kind of mutual interests.
These kind of spheres we have going and
the uncanny, the strange.
The esoteric, a occult, whether it's alien
fascination
or just a healthy interest in.
These These things first began the interest me
as a child, both my parents
had
very strong haunted house experiences as a kid.
This is something I'd hear about from my
father
without revealing too much here in do myself.
My mother was the
child of a diplomat in East Asia.
They lived in a...
As my grandfather would put it, I don't
believe in ghosts, but I lived in a
haunted house,
and I was kind of I guess nurse
on these stories growing up,
that same grandfather had a
very large collection of, let's say East Asian,
anti
gods that he collected during his diplomatic career,
you know, I grew up,
going over this house, the only these
hundreds of
Taiwanese folk gods staring down at May these
are devastation things he had. And this really
sparked this interest.
Just in the strange.
Or I guess you could put it or
this kind of religious impulse.
And then, I guess when I got older,
I developed this kind of
Because you see almost... What I thought was
Ocd this kind of intense
obsession with
numbers and sign. It sounds a bit sc
schizophrenia putting it this way, but it was
really just this very kind of intense
fascination,
with symbols,
what the world could kind of reveal in
front of me?
Now,
my rein reproduction, I guess, when I I
really got into this kind of stuff was
basically my viewpoint.
For how I see things.
If we're gonna tie this all in together.
I guess you could say I'm a meta
physical realist in the sense that I believe
whether you could call it God where the
gods, these are objective
entities. These things
exist,
fairies,
you know, any kind of variety of
super sensory
I think these things are just as real,
if not more real than human beings. I
think human beings
have a lot less
agency. The over our own lives in the
sense that
there is a kind of
downward
psycho drama kind of occurring around us,
all the time.
There's a great quote. I think this is
probably 1 of the best ways to explain
my own kind of perspective on things, and
it's from Jean Shelby Downer.
I'm king kill 33.
Because the dead and dead scenery of the
American City of Dreadful knight is so utterly
devoid a mystery, so thoroughly flat bullet,
Sterile and infant tile, so burdened with the
ill gloss of baseball hot dogs, Apple pie
and Chevrolet.
It is somehow outside the psycho sexual domain.
The eternal pagan and psycho
is escalated under these modern conditions,
precisely because so is not what twentieth century
man can accept as real.
I think that quote, basically is the best
introduction to my own kind of view
of
history events.
The world at large.
Mh.
Yes. There's a segment of researchers that call
themselves sync
and they kind of... Credit down as being
a big part of the foundation of that
community,
And I've tried to explain it to people
as cultural crime, but it does seem like
it kinda speaks to that quote you just
read that our current culture,
seems very
mundane and inn
and quite boring, but underneath it is a
current of
Esoteric ritual,
and it comes through in some films. Obviously,
Hollywood is a hot hotbed for this kind
of stuff. It comes through at ritual
events and
award shows and goddard tunnel ceremonies and all
sorts of strange stuff, and the common just
tends to ignore it, but you'll find that
these certain people with an knack for it
will,
weave a tapestry of symbols
and
intention
into what they're identifying as a mass ritual
and
it's hard to know how much is designed
by
a source class and how much is like,
the other side
communicating back because some of it gets really
complicated, but I was also gonna ask about
this because I know that along the way
with this journey of curiosity
in your life, you have dabble
with the occult this to a degree,
talk to us a bit about that chapter
of your life or really just what it
revealed to you about reality itself, because a
lot of people, their interest and magic and
the occult is very
academic or scholar. We might read a lot
about it, but not actually put it into
practice. Is If you did put much of
this into practice,
what kind of successes did you have were
the doors of reality blown open for you?
Well, I will hold off, I'm going to
the exact detail Some of these experimentation, but
I will say this.
And to go back to the original question
you asked on that
quotation from my unreal article.
An incredible thing kind of happens.
When you set your intention on paying
complete mind
to say the strange rhymes.
That haunt your periphery on a day to
day basis.
When you really
make a commitment
to the strange
Especially let's say, in a city environment if
you're in an ancient city environment, I live
here in Rome,
you will tend to find some very strange
things
Either in areas of an urban environment where
there's nobody around
or when there's a ton of people around.
So there's the same kind of
where propensity
for things
that seem
Again, to go back to this term unreal
and areas like this.
You've probably read that 1 article I did
on a very specific
Alley way in the city of Rome where
I encountered
something strange.
And it's in these kind of areas like
this in these kind of seclusion
and a strange alley that's linked by someone
unspeakable geometry
to other strange
Points of focus of architecture or maybe the
groove of a saint and it informs as
bizarre kind of tri
where strange things to happen. And this whole
idea of either lay lines
or,
any form of mystical top, These things come
together in a a very strange collage,
or certain points, certain areas.
Things that are this world can be conquered?
Yes. And for people listening, you're referencing a
story where you saw kind of like a
shadow bean type thing in an alley way
in Rome, and then you started dissect
the environment in which you saw it and
all these symbols bubble up.
And
from this, I thought about my own experience.
I told you this, but for people listening,
I've talked about my shadow being 40 experience
many times from when I was young,
But what never clicked with me is that
I saw this being at the edge of
this subdivision in Arnold Missouri where I was
raised and the name of the subdivision was
Saint. John's crossing,
and
that's such a iso esoteric potent name was
foresee scenes such a strange thing. And then
I looked at the birds eye view of
my old neighborhood having never the desire to
have done this before, And it looks very
much like a free masonic square and compass.
I sent you the image am I seeing
and things or would you... No It's there.
It's there. Yeah.
It's very weird. I never thought of that.
And then I started looking into the history
of well, how did this Lutheran church get
put in this place and who built the
subdivision, and then I had to put it
all down, and
focus on getting ready for this interview, but
it is
really interesting when you start paying attention to
details around potent things,
and
how it's like man. This all seems like
some kind of stage craft, but you have
another series called 23
could do where you do go deeper into
James Shelby downer, style analysis,
Basically that sync stuff could And you write
that you are fascinated with the idea of
what James shelby be down called Mystical, top,
and that could be described as the geography
of Witchcraft
and on man see the doctrine of names,
you say to explain this sober early, it
is the idea that certain locations and their
names can have weirder meta physical effect. Very
40 and stuff.
And of course, this gets deeper from there,
but what would you say to people about?
It's how that is possible because sometimes it's
very strange that the names of a place
that's derived by some humans somewhere,
I mean, we would think. And then like,
lay lines would be kind of naturally baked
into the earth.
How do we...
Unravel this interplay between what sometimes seems like
human design, and then other times seems like
baked into aspects of nature.
I'm very glad you asked that.
I think a lot of people who go
into this topic
and who try to formulate some kind of
coherent way to explain it, and it's very
hard to explain these kind of things
and a way that sounds
even halfway
reasonable.
That's why I actually have been deferring to
and I tried explain this or pouring this
into a system.
The eastern
neo plate.
Specifically,
my own personal thought is probably most aligned
with 2 figures,
the
and pro.
Ian blink is great innovation.
Ian
basically breaks with por free.
Por free was this
who was the disciple of the famous.
Yam
break with por was on.
Many of you are probably familiar with this
term vaguely,
but basically,
theo was
A set at least kind of ritual
acts you could do
to align yourself with the gods.
And in,
cosmology,
his own theology,
he believed that God were the gods
when they created the universe, they basically so
sun
and Greek basically,
signatures are symbols
all throughout the world.
That directly
would have various correspondence with their superior deity.
Right? So and this very kind of elaborate
hierarchy you say, A rooster was said to
be under the domain, it was a solar
symbol, just as a lion, all these various
kind of things, and it was the job
of theo,
and the and later pro view
to basically take part in this
task of
uniting these various signatures to gather these various
signs of the world under their prevailing deity,
and going about this almost red task in
the world
So anyone who is familiar just from hearing
that, Anyone who is familiar with?
Maybe James shall be downer, can already see
an immediate correspondence in this way of looking
at. Sign of symbol
of psycho.
There was a very great book that just
came out by the scholar Gregory Shaw, and
he was 1 of the foremost experts
on
today and kind of late neo.
And he wrote a book 1, I think
was called The and the soul about The
has been very recently he wrote a book
called.
And in it, he does his comparative analysis
between Eastern,
the late neo photon
and some of these tan traditions out and
the east.
What he finds is 1 of these
correspondence.
Is this idea of
the gods looking for
bodies to inhabit, they wanna manifest in the
world through human beings.
And when we get into the rest of
our series, we'll see how that kind of
plays out some more in these
traditions.
But the point I'm trying to get at
is this?
How does this tie back to our original
question,
How does this justify or how am I
going to get around justifying
this mystical top on. These are these symbols
popping up?
This is actually in the same vein as
how I
basically
explained some of my more elaborate conspiracy theories.
Is I don't think
these things are all the products
of men themselves. I think when you get
these very strange,
correspondence
of symbols, so you're going down a street,
and all these different names kind of line
up, in a very strange way and it
relates to this, This isn't just the product
of maybe in the same ways in maybe
a conspiracy of man. It's not just that.
There is, as I said, I'm a meta
physical realist.
I believe that the gods themselves have a
weird part to play. And these are signatures
that they sown into the world come into
coordinates.
And human beings.
They have a commitment enough to seeing the
weird.
This kinda of manifest do them. And this
is where we get into stuff like ci
mystic.
And my own kind of very bizarre,
I know Schwab as a similar way. If
you ask some of these kind of conspiracy
researchers like, us, even though I kinda... I
haven't shy away from that label lately,
but I need to own it.
When
you asked someone like us of how we
go about our kind of process of research.
Well,
mister Fort,
coined a very interesting term called the library
angel where you feel like something is guiding
you. It almost just comes to you when
you're researching these things, and you get this
progressive,
almost like out of the balloon and you
can kind feel it coming on this strange
progression of sync,
and symbols come together and this whole research
tunnel just kind of manifest before you. And
it's the most amazing thing when it happens.
It's almost like a rush
when you really go down 1 of these
research rabbit holes, you're almost working yourself up
into this kind of manic
Funny enough real quick on that point, I
believe it was Pro 2
who
listed out these kind of 4 types of
divine madness.
1 was
erotic madness,
which is, of course under the goddess of
alfred it, but he said the beginnings of
philosophy come from erotic madness this kind of
a love going out. There is the poetic
madness, which I believe comes from muse.
And then the last way I think are
the most interesting, and these are the ones
most are the domain of
stranger conspiracy theorists. The first is,
man or prophetic madness,
and this comes from the go, polo and
madness.
This stranger ini madness, that supposedly falls under
their realm dionysus.
Not to anyone listening here, I'm not literally
saying, that I believe these gods are controlling
these various things.
But this way of looking at
the world or thought processes of this
inspiration that comes from outside.
I very much believed it, whether it's through
research
really through anything.
This incredible almost like strike of lightning
that'll come over.
Mh.
I think that's a great explanation. And
when you look at the way Nasa names
stands with Apollo and the old Gods and
Osiris rex and you look at Bloomberg,
digging up a
temple of mit and requiring it to be
moved to his new
headquarters like the elite clearly care about these
old gods and these old cults and
A lot of times when I see conspiracy
researchers just chalk that all up to Satan
ism. I'm like, actually, I don't know. I
think it's a lot more complex. Than that.
No. I totally agree. I think that's actually
1 of the biggest pitfalls of a lot
of conspiracy theorist is trying to put everything
into this
binary of, you know? Less
This is demonic.
This is not.
I'm not passing any judgment on that. I'm
simply saying that when you lose this kind
of ability to
come out of yourself and your own
prejudices, and I'm not saying prejudices in a
negative way, but your own kite. Belief system
you're own belief filter.
If you lose the ability to come out
of that when you're doing this kind of
free exploration.
You kind of lose your ability to engage
with any of this at all.
It's good to be able to
Yeah, to leave cell phone. I don't... I
don't know any... A better way to put
it. Hopefully, this is making sense.
It is, and I'm so glad you said
that because I think that that's the page
I'm on and a lot of the audiences
on. And this is an example of the
kind of
Ritual decoding you do. This is long and
I'm gonna try to not stumble through it
and make it clear for people, but this
is very much a decoding of an elite
ritual like James Shelby Downer, king kill 33
analysis of the Jfk
assassination. It's iso esoteric potent and
deep down to the last detail. It's the
kind of thing just as you were saying,
some of it seems too precise for human
hands, but yet
Clearly, people are involved in the planning of
it.
You have this example in a post titled
ariel a better the Ufo you know, part
2.
And this gets us a little bit off
the planned path, but I know our people
love it. So we're all aware of Jack
Parsons and the Babylon working Rich rolls out
in the desert classic conspiracy lore, but you
go on to say, what is important to
understand at this point is the repetition of
7 as paramount to the whole thing symbolically.
Now let's get weird. Babylon is invoked between
January nineteenth and February 20 seventh,
in a desert in the American Southwest exactly
77 years later during the small window on
02/12/2023
Super Bowl 58 occurs in Phoenix, Arizona, a
city but miles from where the rituals originally
occurred. Our magic numbers discussed earlier seemed to
haunt the event, the 2 teams it played
with the Philadelphia Eagles and Kansas City chiefs.
Do you know who the Eagles beat in
the N nfc conference match to go on
to the Super Bowl? That's right. The San
Francisco 49 Los, obviously,
divisible by 7? Now if a mass ritual
was being staged to act as a
continuation of the Babylon working, I would wage
your that football would be the perfect avenue.
Why? Just look at the final score of
the game. Of course, people know football, it's
a game where points are usually
grouped in 7, so there are a lot
of sevens there, look and you point out
even the game weather of the day, sunny,
77
degrees. That obviously is too precise for people,
but
Then you say who got the winning touchdown?
A guy whose number is 7.
And then you say does anyone remember what
the Super Bowl was, and
linked to. That's right Aliens. It was a
few days before the Super Bowl that the
alien rumors and weather balloons and possible disclosure
were ramped up to a fever pitch.
All throughout the Super Bowl, people were on
the edge of their seats wondering if the
government was going to release Ufo info that
week. The timing couldn't have been more perfectly
coordinated.
Even stranger,
halfway through the game, everyone began hearing reports
that something was going to crash land on
Earth over France.
Societal, adrenaline was shot up to madden degrees,
the Super Bowl was intertwined with Ufo man
and everyone's minds and by design, I would
add, It doesn't hurt that Phoenix as a
city has always been associated with aerial phenomenon,
who remembers the Phoenix lights.
But as crazy as all those connections are,
none of them come close to the true
madness of the halftime show, which almost ind
links the Babylon workings with the event flows
Rihanna appeared on stage dressed in scarlet, showcasing
a plump belly in which she revealed she
was pregnant.
Crowley parsons another notable t occult have used
various females for the role of scarlet woman
over the years.
It is not a stretch to think Rihanna
could be involved in a similar function, but
let's look deeper into this character known as
Rihanna,
To cover all the occult references she has
made over the years would take far too
long, so instead, we'll look at anything that
could associate her with Babylon and the par
workings.
In November of 20 12, she went on
a curiously named tour, the 777
tour.
Rihanna was born 02/20/1988.
That's within that window and curiously the 40
second year anniversary of the original Babylon workings,
42 obviously divisible by 7 as well. It
is a curious name Rihanna, I wonder what
it means. And then you look it up,
the welsh named Rihanna is derived from the
commonly
held female name,
Rio,
meaning great queen and most associated with Rio,
a goddess of fertility,
Okay. Enough. There un
coincidence is linking the last Super Bowl in
the Babylon workings that occurred 77 years.
Before but miles away, as well as bizarre
elements linking both events and ex to Ufo
fever
Well, I think that is really great work.
I remember watching that Super Bowl and immediately
thinking scarlet woman. I mean, that's...
Sync mystic 01:01 being able to recognize something
that basic. And then it being the reveal
of her pregnancy. I was like, oh my
god. This is a match, but I'd never
heard anyone else break it down, especially with
all this detail and all the sevens and
the fact that she was born, within that
window of time,
42 years after the original Babylon working that
her name means great queen
Goddess of fertility.
I mean, jeez, man. This is really great
work. This is an example of what you
were describing earlier.
Anything else to add?
So originally, that came from a Twitter thread
that I did right before the Super Bowl.
And that I incorporated that into it.
And I actually, as always was writing it
up, it was another 1 of these things
of this kind of
very strange, like,
almost rushed from the outside coming in, and
you just go down 1 of these things
very strange,
almost symbolic tunnels.
And I actually ended up predicting, and unfortunately,
old Twitter account is banned, but there's still
many who vouch for this. I ended up
predicting the execs score,
finishing score of the Super Bowl. Someone told
they won 5000 dollars off of actually putting
body on it of winning by 3.
So
I I got it pretty much to the
point. Now a lot of people gave me
flack for that, of course, especially on the
more nor side of Twitter, like, this is
insane. Is what they said, like, always this
guy claiming that someone minute neatly planned each
little detail this. Again, that's not the point
at all.
As I was discussing earlier. It is this
idea that
the conspirators in something like this and some
very strange event with these very strange Triumph
schemes
it's not just man, but of a different
powers is
outside of man. Or different deities, basically or
not Deities, anything you wanna call it and
I'm mixing their finger into the soup of
these occurrences,
coming together.
And then these occurrences coming together can domino.
Do these very strange
constellation And that's really the only way I
can describe it.
Yeah. Rhyme schemes is a great term, and
it does feel like if you...
Start playing the tune,
the universe will
finish it for you or contribute to the
music Like, if you start playing the guitar,
the drums get played from the other side
and there's a Symphony created,
a tapestry of these weird,
Sc so simple as
signs, and...
I think it's amazing, but then you start
to ask the question well, it seems like
the only people who do this or have
the power to structure this are people with
dark intentions.
And so
what would be playing with these people, but
you could assume dark entities. So...
Not to say that it has to fit
into the binary or that all this kind
of activity has to be dark because it
also seems somewhat natural.
It's like, you know, gravity isn't dark because
it does what it does. It's like, this
force
is something baked into
Reality that you can play with, but only
dark people seem to play with it, I
guess is what I'm getting at.
I think that would be a very fair
way to put it. I definitely don't want
to deny
this darkness that is there,
and there are very dark intentions, kind of
buzzing around,
I wanted to just make 1 point there
for anyone who's probably hearing this and thinking,
why would
say you were some...
Powerful plot or some dark entity, why would
numbers come into this at all.
Well, funny enough and I will
kind of basis. This is a very old
belief. I mean, in fact, going back to
p.
In this kind of synthesis, and we get
a lot of our knowledge of p
from
a,
survived writing of,
sorry for continually going back to these people.
But I think they have a very kind
of solid basis for looking at a lot
of this stuff.
And P
of course added hearing he believed the entire
universe of this underlying numerical symbols is, are
this numerical basis?
And so much so he would apply this
and so did the leader kind of neo
to modes of worship.
Everything for the fact that
say,
Apollo delivered Oracle from a tripod because the
Tri was the first number. Right?
Were made 3 times Ap
Received sacrifices is on the sixth day, Aaron.
Her on the eighth day of the month,
Bob Blah blah. These numbers were kind of
baked in. There's a very interesting
association that I've only heard Gregory Shaw. I
believe was his name talk about.
Have you heard the
ted
this kind of p symbol?
Think of like that rows of une equal
numbers
in this kind of triangular shape. So it'll
be 1 at the top and 2, like
dots.
The 1 dot the 2 under 3 4.
It was a strange cryptic formula only incomprehensible
to kind the p
initiated.
But with strange is this word ne and
Greek, the ted reminds us of the Pig,
which was the tri of different sac
animals.
In
basically the Greek sac
tradition that try at a different kind of.
Your genus is a sac animals
So basically the idea is that there's a
connection between these kind of numerical sacrifices
and the sacrificing of actual
beings of flesh and blood.
Basically, the p bios,
which is order part of this kind of
bios, to find a continuity of worship extending
from blood sacrifice
to the sacrifice of numbers. But the idea
is even going back from these earliest kind
of
the Usa. There's a continuity between
blood sacrifice and numerical sacrifice.
So there would be some kind of ancient
basis.
Wiring these strange miracles and ethnicities into things
into these strange events
I know you don't have to use Hoffman
term of mass ritual, we could say, as
I like to put it public performances.
So there is a basis. There's this mer
fix.
That's almost as old as man
for connecting with different.
Know,
demons entities whatever you wanna put it?
Sure.
So
before we move on to And S, I
guess,
since I did
read out all those details of that ritual.
If we use that 1 as an example,
I always...
Like to reverse engineer
how it might have happened. Some
source out there that are employed by the
elite would look at this and say, well,
the dates coming up.
Here's an opportunity to load it with our
potent symbolism in the right numero.
And we can, of course, structure the halftime
time show
to
honor that.
They could probably even
structure the score of the game,
they could probably even plan out who scores
the winning touchdown.
These are all degrees of control over which
you could exact. And then the more my
new stuff is then taken care of. You
know what I mean It was like he
were saying earlier, this idea of hey hate
using his turn, but more sc research or
just paying attention to things. Once you start
to, you get the ball rolling, something else
comes in and flesh it. This is the
same way I kind of view maybe something
like this. Some kind of mass ritual is
when they've set the intention, they...
They cook up the spells
and they get the basics right, then something
fills in into more of my new details
for them. That's how the weather becomes 77
degrees.
Now,
you say obviously with most rituals, you set
the intention. And So practically, I just kinda
laid out and you
confirmed kind of how it could probably be
done or at least started.
But now what would be the intention? Why
would
the people who run reality?
Care about this such thing. Obviously, the Babylon
working is loaded with all kinds of symbolism,
but it's implied they must have some value
or see some value in the original Babylon
working to even
tie these events together, but
what do they get out of structuring all
this. What is achieved and also why the
Ufo tie?
I think that is kind of the grand
question, isn't it?
And we can theo on it, and I
certainly have life theories.
I think man manly People hall had a
great quote. And its symbols are miraculous forms.
Mysterious patterns creating v
and the substances of the invisible world. They
are centers of a mighty force, figures pregnant
with an awful power. Which when properly fashioned
whose fiery world ones
upon the earth. Again, I believe these ritual
events or, you know, these public performances.
I have the power to
change things in very strange ways.
I think
it doesn't always
have to have an exact
gold behind it. In the sense, it's not
like, you know, doctor Faust,
summon
something so he can get a mortal over
life. And this isn't just, like, a purely
transactional thing. Like, they aren't staging some big,
ritual, and event purely for a transactional goal.
I do this, I get this.
I believe it was from Elvis Levi who
put it this way that
When magic is done, the only pure intention
is for the act itself. I think there
is
a strange satisfaction. I think anyone's dabble the
occult to tell you this and simply performing
these things because they can. And there is
almost like a per
radiation
that happens in these kind of things. I
think Like can inverted the off.
This out pouring
of, I think energy really is the only
word for it.
I think there's a lot of people, even
normal people on the block who, if you
told them, you could
stage some kind of mass ritual,
is power trip is rush of it, in
a very strange sense.
I think that is about as far as
we can go with it, but I also
think
On a more practical side, it's a sense
of signaling.
To other people with a wink and nod.
Yeah. I think that makes a lot of
sense, and we do just kinda have to
leave it at that. We can recognize it
without really being able to fully explain every
aspect of it and the intention behind it.
But, yeah, it could just be a flex
or 1 cult letting another cult, hey. We
still run the show around here.
And Okay. Exactly. Let's jump over to this
between Za and Ba
series of posts. We're not gonna be able
to complete the circuit in the first hour
because this is dense stuff. You connect all
sorts of material here information about the polls,
consist across hall earth stories that speaks to
me,
cultural echoes of At,
stories of the mythic north,
mysteries
of
tibetan monks and the himalayas and cataclysm,
that's kind of the threads that you tie
together here, but give us a bit of
an overview of this thesis.
And then we can get deeper into the
supporting evidence with the rest of the time
we have.
Okay. So, in fact, this series itself is
unfinished.
As many as my series tend to be,
but I will finish it. And I can
give you a taste at the end of
this of where I am getting. So from
the title alone between Za doo and Sham.
If anyone is familiar with Za Do, this
is a reference to a poem by.
I think 1 of the greatest geniuses and
mystic
of the last 500 years, Samuel Taylor C.
Za Do
is part of this poem that goes was
in the at least the beginning of it.
And Za Due did Coup calling is state
pleasure dome decree were a, the sacred of
river iran through Cavern me man, down to
a sun sea.
I won't read the entire thing,
But this has always been a poem
that is stuck with me.
The first time I heard it. Actually, this
is something I don't think a lot of
people know
is I came across it and a book
on Teddy Roosevelt.
I believe it was called the river of
doubt.
Could be the river of hope. I have
to check on that, but it was about
after he lost the election,
My guess, Woodrow Wilson when he was running
in his bull moose spotty,
and he went down, you know, he was
just very kind strapping pricing
adventure.
Portrayed is a very vital man
and to the Amazon Basin to go exploring.
For this kind of uncharted river.
And at the very end of it, he
gets cut,
and he develops his fever, and he goes
into this... This is real, and he goes
into this fever dream. As they're carrying him
out
and he just keeps repeating. And Za dude
K car, the state pleasure dome to decree.
Over and over again, like 2 days.
And, you know, anytime I hear something like
this. Would figure especially president, is very kind
strange under current. I know there's something there.
On flu last 10 years, I've known there
was something even stranger there.
But before we even approached this, where I
am going with this entire series,
is I believe that Samuel Taylor Ko
had a mystic visionary experience in the same
way that Saint Eve did, the French mystic
who had a vision of,
of this realm and inner Earth, and there's
a remarkable correspondence
appearance with
c poem,
and
these other mystical
vision,
experiences seeing into a realm of inner earth.
So Ko was infamous
for
having this kind of Opium addiction. And so
Ko said that this poem came to him
in an Opium tree,
and there was thousands of lines of it
that came to him. He had this vision
of this place.
And again, if you read the Polymers, he's
very,
communities very sub, and we can go into
a war about relates to Ga stories of
S later, but he awoke from the stream,
And this person on business from Poor lock
as they call it, the kind of infamous
term literature for someone who interrupts a great
work. He was interrupted by a person on
business from Poor.
After this guy finished speaking to him He
forgot almost all of it except for these
lines.
They say it's the greatest tragedy. There was
1 English professor said if anyone deserves to
be killed on earth there was the person
on visits from Portland.
Be ruining this great word of.
But for any of our audiences two's familiar
with Schwab on some Schwab decks work.
Schwab brings up these idea of the men
in black. Or these
entities that appear after some kind of
strange experience that happens. Maybe he calls beings
of pure media. Right? And they kind of
come to clean things up.
Basically.
And so what's very interesting. And my theory
is that Samuel taylor ko which was a
visionary in this way, and he was interrupted
by 1 of these beings of pure media,
the person business from Poor luck.
Especially because if you look up poor lock,
it's famous for these
stone circles, these almost ferry mounts that are
right in the area, And if we look
at someone will bring up later, mister
on the tip of my tongue here,
our great Russian explorer and painter,
Ro rich, Nicholas Roe. Roar. Yes. Of course,
Nicholas Roe has this larry long passage
in his book on Sham.
Where he...
Immediately equates
these various tom
all across Central Asia and these stone circles,
and he
Explicitly equates them with the ones in England,
and these various ones like the ones in
Poor look, but whatever I'm getting ahead of
myself here.
That is kind of where I'm going with
the series, and we'll get into that for
any of my subs readers listening now.
That was a little teach free of where
that article series is going.
But we can continue with
why I decided to focus on this?
In between Ana And Sham,
is I think
myself, and I think many others like me.
You know, as children, we were fascinated. And
remember Exactly where it was.
I think the first we ever saw Peter's,
was Disney's At lan
with my father.
And there was something that captivated bay on
such a deep and prime almost spiritual level
about this Disney production. You know, I mean,
what kind of ear head am? I'm falling
into a spiritual experience from Walt Disney. But
funny enough as I'm sure most of your
listeners know.
At lan as a concept is extremely old.
It goes back to Plato, this idea of
this realm that was sunk.
To put it su sing. It's basically the
idea that there was a high cold prehistoric
times. Something about this, I think really speaks
to us on the level.
That were being lied to on our pre
history.
But 1 other just interesting little tidbit here
on,
apparently, I only found this out recently in
that movie. The language they're speaking Language was
actually constructed by a very renowned ph pathologist
who constructed the language on Ind European.
On what we know of the Ind European
language group. So there is some real basis
to this stuff going on there.
Okay. But onto the point I'm getting at
here.
I believe
I think like probably many other of your
listeners here
that
we are being lied to or not even
so much partly lied to, but we have
a very incomplete idea of man's pre history.
But I take it even more extreme direction.
I think the entire idea of human evolution.
Is
completely bogus, and I'm not saying that. A
lot of people will hear someone critique evolution
think I'm coming from some
creation is
thing I'm spewing out here. No. That's not
it at all. I actually believe that mankind
is a product of a kind of extreme
degeneration.
That many of these myths were correct and
that we were were at least spawned from
much more superior beings.
And that we have been d generating and
why this is so dangerous is because the
entirety of kind of modern du is based
on this idea of societal progression
that every generation is getting better. Yeah. We
are on the straight and narrow the happy
happy sunshine. Of course, is kind.
A galen idea of progression. And I think
that's completely false, and I think it's a
lie. And I think it's a lie that
needs to be shattered. And 1 more thing
on this before we continue,
A very good friend of mine on Twitter,
the p. I think he's 1 of the
most Indulge that I've ever met. He was
actually the 1 who first introduced me to
a lot of this.
But the way he broke it down forming
of why
you can just kind of
dis disprove the entire idea of human
linear progression in an incline, right at face
value is when you think about it from
a language standpoint.
And in recorded history, we really have no
records of language,
like a vernacular language,
organically becoming more advanced or more complicated.
It's always the opposite direction.
The amount of cases and d that greek
had
or and then even the latin and just
seeing how organically these things,
they don't get more complex, they simplify. They
get easier
and the idea that this also reflects a
kind of physiological difference, a physiological degeneration, a
physiological simplicity and even our brains.
Right? And the plethora for my friend would
say that
it's just proves that the myths are all
correct, and human and beings aren't language. Some
God like figures.
What it's the
Babylon fish of
Y. Right? Or
if you wanna go for the Christian perspective,
right of got himself. Whether The idea that
this can just come out of a vacuum
that these complex forms of speech can just
come out of a vacuum and become even
more complicated.
And then know at some point it just
started to decline. Oh, that either says that
human beings
were on an inc incline in terms of
our own physiological complexity and our own brain
power and then just something happened and we're
on the decline, or it's always been on
the decline.
And I hope that made sense.
Yeah. It does. And we are talking about
a dense.
Kind of cosmology
that you've crafted or pieced together from a
lot of other material and it's really tough
to know where an audience is.
That you're not familiar with, and, of course,
even the idea that the entire audience is
on the same page is
fallacy to begin with, but
Obviously, At, we have this cultural history or
this cultural memory. It seems of a high
society in the ancient past.
And we know hollow earth floor pretty well
around here, and we've digested some stories of
the mythic north and Mount. Mar and Hyper.
And the idea that at the north pole,
there is this magnetic mountain that is Mar
kind of mystical
and maybe that's where people initially came from.
There are threads to that. Well,
What I think is really interesting about this
cosmology of yours is
If I was to summarize it with a
phrase
or a paragraph of yours, you say,
among ancient authors
there was an agreement that the earth's current
position with its ax acetyl tilt
is an abe,
The result of some calamity both physical and
spiritual.
Without an ax axle tilt, the earth would
not experience seasonal change as we know it
for there would be a constant amount of
sunlight throughout the year, It would be a
perpetual e, the length of day and night
being completely equal, something that only occurs twice
on the planet with an ax tilt such
as ours.
A golden age a perpetual
spring.
This is an extraordinary idea to chew on
as it supplies a rational basis, for these
wildly diffuse myths of a past golden age
of eternal spring,
an age where a more harmonious
relationship with time existed
So
we've also talked a lot on this show
about cyclical cataclysm and what's being proposed here.
A lot of this comes from... Arc toast,
the polar myth in science symbolism and Nazi
survival by Josh,
God win,
is this idea that we had an ancient
cataclysm,
And
before this cataclysm, we had this perfect harmony,
you could even say that
the
earth's
rotation was 3 and 60 degrees, a more
perfect circle and now it's 3 65, and
now the axis is off, and we have
extreme weather on certain parts of the planet
that
when you think about the E
and
how it's tied to fall and spring these
transition times that are quite pleasant for human
beings as opposed to the summer and the
winter
you're basically saying that
this cataclysm
knocked us into
a
profane,
a
situation where everything is a little off, and
this affects human
spirituality,
and this would have affected the
ability to
habitat the north pole.
And so as the area that this initial
high society lived in got colder and colder
and more
in hospital,
they would migrate
down
south towards the rest of the planet, and
then we probably have many, even thousands of
years before Atlanta and that's the thing we
can kind of remember,
and then we have probably thousands more years
and we get to today. We have these
echoes in our subconscious,
throughout humanity that there's something else back there
and that this idea of a evolution is
probably more accurate
We've actually
interviewed Jim C, who talked about the saga.
I don't know if you've ever gotten into
that, but it is this thread that
this
person e Ba says he was part of
an elite family in ancient times and his
family preserve their own
language and this language was
on a wheel, and it was very
compatible with other things. It just seemed very
internally coherent, and he would talk about the
idea of Hell being Helsinki.
Oh, man. That sounds awesome.
I gotta check that out, man. He's from
Finland and it it gets really wild, but
it would be another thing I'd add to
the stack.
And to try to
Give people
some kind of c
before we wrap up the first hour?
I mean, how would you elaborate on what
I said, and if the spiritual poll
has some kind of
association with the
geographic poll, and we had this cataclysm that
shifted us,
what would you say about the spiritual pull
in later phases or even today and how
this might tie into the inner.
I think
to start here,
something to clarify for the audience is
The idea of this ax actual shift being
caused by some kind of cataclysm,
you know, there's some scientist who might be
able to get behind that. Oh, a meteor
hit the earth, blah blah blah blah.
But what's really radical on what a lot
of these kind of esoteric assist, thinkers get
kind of threaded together here is the idea
that this physical cataclysm like you said
was kind of
And explicitly linked to a spiritual cataclysm or
a moral cataclysm. Right? And this is going
to be a recurring theme throughout the entire
series.
Whether it's, you know, this kind of as
above so below this micro chasm
linked to the macro cause.
Anything from the
cool geographies being linked to your own spiritual
states and they're being an effect there. There
being a link a chain.
But to approach
the beginning of the pool ship stuff itself.
So a lot of this is coming from
a bunch of different
personalities throughout the ages,
and we find this,
not just in a single,
cultural geographic location. We find it kind of
everywhere. This idea of the
succession of the ages,
and all these succession of the ages
apply a kind of downward
generating
trend.
For example,
the famous
farmer poet He basically tells us right, that
this is, of course, in the hell poetic
context.
That there were 5 ages. Right? Either usually
equated 2 different kind of metals.
He says there was the golden age, then
the silver than the bronze and the har
heroic. And iron. Right? If we go over
to kind of right? The v myths, if
we go over to India,
you've probably heard of this famous and idea
that we're leaving in the Ka yu.
This kind of dark age.
This same correspondence is there.
You find this everywhere
until
really the coming of
christianity.
Or you could say this kind of
In islam as Judeo Christian kind of way
of viewing things,
where instead of a cyclical history, it's flattened.
Into a linear 1.
But in a lot of an I hate
whose pagan is kind of a a
an am morph term here, but we'll use
it anyway. And a lot of these a
pagan cosmology, it's cyclical, and implies degeneration and
then at the very end of see, the
Ka or the iron age, we get this
shift back this restoration. But
So going to what you're saying on the
polls,
a lot of this gets picked back up
again from the ancient thinkers with the theo.
The theo, right, probably... Or listeners here are
know of
missus Bots. Right?
And they bring this kind of thread back,
and they kind of elaborate on this cosmology,
they basically claim,
they're getting this information from these enlightened masters
over in the east Himalayas
or to go be desert
and for them,
to kind summarize On also picks up on
this,
you know, there's many different variations of it.
But 1 of the most,
common is the idea of this
completely polar
to hyper warrior to Le,
right? To Atlanta
to Air, I know it's a loaded term
here.
But
the idea is the physical shifts in continents
themselves also reflect us strange kind of racial
ethnic
shift and the type of person there,
but this shifts with the poles of themselves.
And it also shifts with the makeup physiological
of a body. The idea is originally,
and this purely polar
ao,
And this is kind how the theo get
around the fact that there's no fossil evidence
is that humans or these kind of pro
humans
had completely ether
bodies. Right?
Goes back to the idea, I think Advances
that as the ages progress
matter becomes more solid.
So even from the polar to the hyper
warrior, these kind of geographic shifts of where
the pole is, polar as in,
also, you know, spiritual pull, and then all
these other authors come up with these different
theories as well.
But how this relates basically to inner enter
earth, but the idea is after the polar,
then there was a hyper warrior. There's just
successive kind of migrations down.
South.
This is how these end up both and
say,
India, and then also in Europe, the idea
is
then there was also the Le continent. Right?
That was kind of out there, you know,
the Atlantic Pacific, and then there is the
At atlanta continent
that was somewhere obviously in the Atlantic.
But there is supposedly a certain shift that
occurred where the spiritual center became the around
the Go desert area. The Go desert see
the Himalayas and this kind of area of
the world, and that's why they say a
lot of these even the theo is talking
about where they're getting their hidden wisdom from
the east. Right?
Looks, right, from the east, from the orient
comes this light,
and it said that from these various authors
that under the either the Go desert,
where the himalayas is is this sub
realm, and it's described differently by all these
different authors if we wanna give credence to
their visions,
we can say it's almost like a bunch
of Sears or mystic
looking at some truth from different angles and
they're getting it.
Slightly different each 1.
That's probably the only way we can attempt
to put this together.
You're putting that out there coherent.
Yes, I think so. I think that's a
great way to try to stick the landing
here for the first hour people, but there
is a
to
the
stories that you hear in many different cultures
from mystic sticks from
deep thinking scientists,
all kinds of different people you lay out
key figures
along this path, lived in different times and
different places, but somehow
came to the same general shape
of parts of this story, and then you
put it into a continuity
into a chronology that I just think
makes a lot of sense because sometimes we
are like, well, is it At lan or
the mythic north? No. It's both. Those are
both different parts
of the same story. And
that's what really has clicked for me, but
this has been great. I hope at least
the 2 hour listeners,
got a clear path forged through the stent
material, but you are a great writer. You
cover very unique stuff right in the center
of my areas of interest and That's not
easy to do, but
remind people of your true bread and butter,
the pope head post and el them on
the other threads that you've got running on
top of this stuff we talked about today.
Excellent. So, yeah, I have a pretty ec
interest base.
I write on a... Yeah. You could say
some diverse topics.
I have covered the Italian journalist andrea,
reached out to me around a year ago
for covering some his stuff. Yeah So I
have been his
liaison to the english sphere
with publishing his articles on the rat code
and a lot of the more, stranger side
of the vatican, you could say, we could
do at some point in the future A
whole episode on Vatican conspiracies. That's always been
kind of my bread and butter,
That's what we were supposed to do. As
you know, to the audience, we were supposed
to talk about Vatican secrets, and then this
body of work came out, and I was
like, now, this is great. We should cover
it.
Yeah. But I had a great time. I
had a great time. But, yeah, I do
a lot of more esoteric stuff around the
Vatican and these various factions in these various
plots.
And I always joke, you know, the reality
is so much more interesting than anything think
Dead browns come up with it. So
it's so... And I hopefully, I'm not insulting
Damn brown here. But yeah. I do that.
Do a lot of art history stuff.
They done a couple of articles on Georgia
C, but it all comes into the same
matrix of the weird,
Anyone listening would probably very much enjoy. This
will be my last kind of self shi
here. I think I'm the only 1 who's
ever talked about in English.
Was this article I did called the mag
behemoth, and I basically, I was
investigating
the
propaganda do.
Sonic lodge, and all the stuff that was
going on in Italy during the years of
lead as they call them.
All these conspiracies, all this kind of
Undercover occult violence, you could put it. And
I basically stumbled on the account of this
mag street, a judge lawyer in Italy,
who
was uncovered this entire conspiracy of a...
And this was very respectable guy entire conspiracy
of this kind of satanic c italian military,
throw him in mental asylum. He proved his
innocence, and he ended up going into politics
against the deep state or the deep powers
at b, we could say, back I, like
2011.
When he got out, and then, of course,
he dies during Covid, and they cleared everything
from the Internet, and I managed to find
the 1 place where they still had all
his documents.
And the funniest thing is when I did
this theories.
Is is that you can tell you're on
to something. I wrote this article with links
to the last,
thankfully saved everything too before, I made the
article. I put a link to the last
page, the blog spot he had where he
listed everything out in Italian.
And 3 hours after I wrote the article,
this 2011 blogs box was taken down.
And for this dead guy. Yeah. No. It
it was... Very exciting couple 24 hours. I
recommend that. But, yeah, You mean I do
conspiracy. I do art history.
I do Vatican politics.
And I also translate
italian right wings. Thinkers
man, poe pad dot subs stack. Dot com,
and you could be found on Twitter now
under what's the name?
I don't recommend you following my Twitter. I
usually use that for, joking around, but It
is the Brad and head of Sylvester the
second.
Fair enough. Yes.
Man, well, I'm so happy, schwab. Made this
connection and it worked out. I had a
great time. I hope there's some clarity to
the narrative laid out for people. If not,
just go read, what you've written because it
is really good, and I'm sure we'll do
it again someday, but until then, I hope
so. I really enjoyed, man. This is the
first podcast I decided to go on just
because I had a lot of requests, but
I've always been a bit antsy, but just,
you know, the quality of your show.
And, of course, Schwab given that
recommendation, it means, you know, that you're...
You know what you're doing. But so I
apologize if I ramble a bit, getting into
my stride, but I appreciate it, ma'am. All
good. It was a lot of fun. Take
care out there. Alright, ma'am.
Sweet baby Jesus people can you believe it?
The first interview from mop pad we made
the cut. And I'm very happy with how
it turned out. First interviews are always kinda
of fun for me. It's a little risky
though when you haven't heard a person's voice
at all.
It could be a terrible speaker or have
some really thick accent that's hard to parse,
but no.
This was great.
Kudos to the almighty powerful schwab for recommending
us to each other.
There are really interesting in things happening in
that Twitter slash subs,
anonymous space, and I'm happy to be dipping
my toe into bringing them out on the
main stage.
I've always felt with this show. I only
do 20 percent of the talking. It's usually
the guests who get the floor for the
majority of our time together.
And if you really boil down what my
talent is. I think it's just a
talent scout for researchers of compelling material.
I don't know if there's any single bigger
source of my success than
guest selection.
And this was an example of a home
run.
I'm like a record label executive trying to
fold in
the best of the best under my umbrella.
Hey, Come come over here and do some
work for me.
But I ended up feeling like we were
a lot more similar than I might have
expected just based off the persona of Pope
and some of the stuff I see him
right on Twitter or stuff that I wouldn't
write, but whatever. It's all good.
I like interesting characters,
and I take them
in their totality
for better or worse, and I think Pope
had qualifies as an interesting character.
There's actually a lot of drama at the
Vatican currently
where they are saying according to Vatican law,
Pope Benedict didn't act... Actually stepped down properly,
and thus everything the new pope is done
is invalid.
And this isn't a small thing. I believe
the guy who made the claim actually got
ex communicated from the church. They're really trying
to clamp down on people
raising this issue, but it's bubbling up you
know, as you try to clamp down on
something.
A lot of times, it gets away from
you and you can't contain it, and that
seems to be, you what's going on here.
It's getting enough attention that my wife knows
about it. So it must be a pretty
big drama.
And I was very close to adding that
to our
outline today because the initial point of getting
together with pope head was to cover Vatican
secrets and heresy and all that kind of
stuff.
But this occult geography
material and the polar myth stuff just felt
like
a great Thc in the making,
and so real complex of a story that
if we gonna tackle it, there's really not
room for anything else.
But I love a well constructed epic narrative
that ties in obscure information that I consider
to have merit,
and you could take this
chronology this timeline and you could fold in
the electric universe stuff to the very beginning
of it, and I did bring that up
in the plus show. It didn't seem like
he was very aware of
David Talbot and Wall Thorn hill, but he
should be.
And you would just take their model for
the Golden age and slide it in with
all this other material and it makes sense.
Just a really fun 1 for me. Hear
something from my notes that I didn't actually
get to mention, but listen to this. So
he says later in
that unreal post that we did mention in
the beginning to Quote,
a friend of mine once said there are
certain men walking around the Vatican that aren't
really men.
At first, I thought this was a sn
remark on clerical
versions, but later, I understood men in this
case was not den debating masculinity entity, but
person.
And it would only be much later that
I would realize that this truth did not
just apply to the boundaries of Saint. Peter's
Square,
So that's interesting. And you would think that
if there was some kind of
rep
hybrid over overload force that... It would have
a power
concentration center in the Vatican,
but it obviously got cut because I just
started chi away at things that didn't fit
into the overall. Story, but it really does
because the later parts of his story really
talk about
the na and the stories of fish slash
rep
slash
amphibious
divine hybrids.
And he also talks about the parallels with
the Fisher King Legends
and S,
And it's just another 1 of these
cultural
echoes of some kind of thing represented that
we can't
logically
understand how it's possible, but yet many corners
of the Earth have this
motif.
Always associated with some kind of teacher
or leader
or d,
and maybe these weren't isolated incidents, but
glimpse into some kind of real non human
power structure on the planet.
But, yes, if we do this again, I
would certainly want him to elaborate
on non humans walking around the Vatican.
But it also makes me think of the
George Adam stuff where these beans would come
to him and say, hey, we created all
these religions on the planet.
We seeded these myths for you,
and we like the attention that they get,
he's really not the only 1 to say
that, but I think it's really interesting to
tie it together and say, well, these...
Creatures
like us to have stories that they use
to kind of control slash inspire us,
But from their perspective, it might be ego
service,
and they did this a long time ago,
they occasionally make contact with individuals they think
are
worthy of engaging with, and they sometimes tell
these people
what they've done.
And then they
have a schedule of reinforcement where people have
these random experiences of seen an angel or
the virgin Mary and they're just laughing at
us from behind that facade.
And then if you think the general shape
of something like that is true, well then
it only stands to reason that a religion
his power center on the planet would be
largely ruled over by those who crafted the
narrative.
There's a lot of my mistake around that
whole thing of his constantine teens vision of
the cross.
1 perspective is, well, he never had a
vision at all, but he had to come
up with some kind of excuse for why
they adopt did Christianity.
Obviously,
the power center of the day saw some
advantageous
did reasoning to do that.
And so they just did it. To me,
that's a giveaway. You know, I'm not big
on Christianity, but right there, it's like,
A ruthless
bloody power center is like, yeah, we're gonna
adopt this and make this the standard thing.
Is it out of the goodness of their
heart and wanting to align with truth and
promote truth?
I doubt it. But then the alternative is
that he did actually see a vision. And
that these beings know who to show visions
too if they want to propagate their own
stories.
It doesn't make it any less of a
control mechanism, but it makes it a control
mechanism from a higher
more bizarre place.
I don't know. Fun stuff to think about.
But I did love this overall story as
a whole
it is hard to
get it right for us because the way
the show is split up,
it's always my challenge. I tried to
fit the gist into the first hour, so
it sounds complete at least and then add
context in detail in the second hour to
flush it all out.
I'm always trying to make a good interview
that works on both levels, but with a
big story, that is when it's the hardest
to do.
I think a lot of my colleagues could
be
suspected of using the whole first hour as
teaser are material for a second hour, but
in my mind,
Your paid subscribers are still listening to the
first hour, and you want them to put
in an hour of their time before you
get to the juicy stuff? No. No. No.
You gotta try to interview people who have
enough juicy stuff to fill 2 hours.
But coming back to the overall story here,
I could see it, we get rocked out
of sync,
and man has to leave the mythic north
and come down to. Spread out around the
rest of the planet. And if they were
more advanced,
then they likely shared that knowledge around with
people they encountered and we get these legends
of teachers.
And then we recognize this out of Africa
stuff is your typical
inversion of the truth to And this stuff
about a spiritual poll is interesting
that it might be inside the earth or
under the Himalayan himalayas, so the Go desert
is fun
We really just don't know. We have kind
of realized that we can't trust the royal
society.
Or the tightly controlled academic class
or the people who wrote the original books,
obviously,
that was very state controlled
when printing came out.
Only certain people could read and definitely only
certain people could print a book.
So when our entire histories are based off
of just a few of these things or
the writings of 1 particular Greek historian,
I mean, we're putting a lot of trust
and a lot of emphasis on
crumbs,
but whatever. I was very captivated by the
shape of Pope head story. I like the
things it explains in the logical through lines
it takes.
Again, I'll never really know. I'm not saying
this is my new religion is just what
I'm excited about this week.
But it does put a lot of isolated
pieces
onto a coherent timeline.
And I hope something you guys are pondering
until the next show pops up.
But if you still haven't become a plus
map or maybe this is the 1 that
draws you in. You never really know, but
we added a lot of stuff to the
second hour.
We talked about... But para fictional stories in
general, the shape of Hollow earth stories and
how they seem to follow a type of
template we've talked about before,
But I think the best part of the
plus show was the content about the Russian
mystic, Nicholas
Roi. And his tibetan expedition and seeing the
Ufo.
I mean, that just connects a lot of
dots. But we also talked about the Blacks
stone symbolism,
and little myths and stories about a blacks
stone and that stuff is
provocative too.
He flushed out the narrative even more, and
I would hope that you would want to
take advantage of the 7 day free trial
and dive in. You're already an hour committed.
So
Immortality, take it. It's yours.
Now let's talk about that last episode. As
I said, Alex is a friend, and I'm
a very loyal friend to my friend sometimes
to a fault.
It's worked a little different with work friends,
but I've got life friends who have been
really shitty at times,
taken from me, fuck my girlfriends,
etcetera, etcetera.
And yet, I don't really quit people who
make it into my inner circle.
Usually that's a good thing, but not always.
The shape of my personal tendencies is still
there in the relation ships I've formed through
this show.
I can acknowledge that. And if Gordon Chris,
Alex rec clues or a handful of other
people ever have something out I'm not gonna
say no.
I don't know why I'm wired this way,
but I just am, and it's why it
took a very long time for t h.
See to have any return guests. Because if
I don't get close to anyone, then I
don't have to feel weird about trying to
pick and choose the material that I want
to get into and the stuff I don't,
see And as a bonus, when they mysteriously
die slash, kill themselves, they won't loop me
into
that whole mess either.
But with Alex, I mean, even his last
book on evil,
it did turn out to be something really
great and interesting, but it's not something that
I would have been dying to cover it
wasn't someone I liked personally. And Ai is
also gonna fit in there too.
You're not hearing a lot of Ai talk
on ta h. See not because I don't
think it's getting a huge push to be
the next part of the next phase of
our digital lives. See But it's just so
beaten to death across so many of the
shows and media that I consume.
And my attitude with stuff like that is
that it's gonna come up naturally in chunks
that it doesn't need to be the focus
of an entire show very often. And this
might be the 1 time. We do a
show focused around
an Ai book and the topic itself, then
unless there's some Anthony patch like a cult
angle that resonates with me or something.
But in terms of a straight down the
middle, look at Ai,
It's not really a priority to me. And
based off the rating, I think a lot
of people will be happy.
With what I'm saying because that show only
got
a 3.9
yikes
When I looked at it yesterday, it was
a 4.1,
which sounded a lot better, so I probably
should have done this yesterday, but it is
what it is.
The comments were all over the place on
that 1 too.
As is usually the case with these topics
that are everywhere. Everyone has an opinion,
I didn't expect so much shade thrown at
Alex himself. I think he's a great podcast
and has a really compelling way of speaking,
and
Even with an average topic, I think he
has the ability to elevate it and be
very listen,
clearly, not everyone agrees with that, but be
comments that seem to
mis interpret my own perspective
were a little puzzling. I don't think I
dismissed Ai
overall.
I mean, look, I am someone who is
very curious about the
state of new technology. I was on the
Internet very early.
I started playing around with content creation years
before I had Thc even.
When I was in college, actually, you might
not know this, but I had
installed a
phone line in my room,
and I put the number online, and then
I made
content based on the calls I would receive.
Sometimes I answered it, and it was set
to auto record, and then sometimes I just
had messages that were left.
And it wasn't very good. I had to
sift through
tons of bad stuff to try to pull
out any
little thing I could work with, but it
was still fun, and I was
really young. I mean, this is 2004
or 5, just after high school.
So I was doing that kind of thing
way before I even had Thc. And
even that was pretty early.
For podcasting in general, and I bought Bitcoin
when guys like Jeff Be were talking about
it. On the air here,
when it was only
hundreds of dollars,
not tens of thousands.
I even saw value in n gaming.
When a lot of money was being made
on things like Wolf game.
So
I engage with things usual I keep an
eye on the space. I'm not na to
new technology.
And with Ai, I wouldn't say it hadley
0 value, but it has a long way
to go and most of the applications for
what I do,
you know, transcript
editing,
automated show notes. There are tons of shows
engaging with this stuff,
and trying to take the easy road to
get their content out there,
but the quality
is definitely
not up to a standard where I think
it's
useful.
If I can't push a button and be
happy with what it gives me, and I
have to
basically comb through it all to confirm it
good, then I might as well just do
the work myself or give it to a
human being who I trust and pay well
to do it.
I would say playing with its bias is
pretty interest I mean, that's probably the most
fun thing you can do with it right
now.
And Alex overall point about investors saying wanting
more than a liberal talking point
regurgitation platform
is a really good and important point
That tug of war between the quest for
maximum profits and holding the progressive line,
could get really interesting down the road.
But when you see guys from the Department
of Defense making it onto the boards of
Ai companies,
It looks like the guard rails are only
gonna get stronger, not loosened.
But eventually, I do think it will happen.
Something will break through and will all be
very
intrigued by that thin.
But with the Ai topic overall, I have
to sift through a lot of stuff that
I Don't find that impressive to try to
hold up a few things where I can
give it some credit in a 2 hour
interview.
I'm more aligned with the Chris K take
that technology is not really advancing anymore.
They're just finding ways to res shuffle the
deck or
rearrange the lego pieces and trying to make
it seem like some great new
innovation.
The reason I'm on that page.
The reason I conclude such a thing is
because
to me, all what would be the real
breakthroughs are quarantined.
The ether can't be acknowledged, hemp can't be
used as a fuel, rife devices can't come
to market, etcetera, etcetera.
Within the narrow lanes of what they have
considered or allowed to be considered to be
valid,
Well, it's pretty much picked over.
I don't think you can squeeze any more
excitement out of it.
But whatever, there are very few perspectives, I'm
truly a attached to, but sometimes I say
something
kind of off the cuff, and then a
person will really go off on how they've
lost faith in me over that 1 sentence
I said.
And
I think that's kinda silly.
I try to craft a show where you
don't even have to like me to enjoy
the guest, and I try to give them
enough space that that's always true and maybe
I'll even try to give them a little
more than I have recently.
But all you have to like is my
guest selection ability. You know even have to
like my personality or anything
about me.
That's okay.
As I often say, hey, we're just talking
here, may
It's not that serious.
We're not making any major decisions about the
world.
And even if we were,
If this is just a big sandbox for
physical experience, and I don't know if even
that would matter.
It's all okay. But, yeah, 3.9
sucks.
Don't like to see that.
And I think we did a lot better
today, but you tell me, plus people know
how to make their voices heard, and we'll
see on the next 1.
If my intuition is correct.
Okay. And now we will look at the
meetup calendar, and that actually reminds me. I
checked the Po box. The other day, And
there was a really nice sympathy card from
the folks at the Raleigh North Carolina Meetup.
Big thanks to everyone who was a part
of that, because Some of the names are
a little hard to read on this card,
but Darren, Weston and Amber, Derek and Pam,
Taylor and Mary Ruth, let me say that
it did mean a lot. My wife and
I had a good cry
in the post office parking lot.
And it was very
unexpected.
Thanks, A ton. And now for the next
events on the calendar,
July eighteenth, the La truth meetup at the
coral tree,
July 20 fourth Eugene Oregon at the Oak
pub a house
and July 20 fourth in Pasadena at the
corner Bakery cafe.
Looks like we
b Don't have any new events and 1
happened in between the last shown and this
1. So we're down to just 3 events
in July.
Tens of thousands of listeners all across this
great land and nobody wants to meet other
listeners.
Alright. I know we're a weird bunch,
I know you're taking a little bit of
a risk, but if you just put a
business you enjoy.
On the calendar.
I think even the nature of me reading
it out
is kind of interesting. It's kinda like a
free ad for a local business
Then you just go to a place you
like, have a few drinks have a meal,
and there will be other people in your
proximity that you might enjoy the company of.
And if you don't,
well, I think we've always wasted plenty of
afternoons.
But you know my spiel network with the
like minded locals
There's so many things you could do. It's
good to just have contacts
in your phone that
are on your page, but you could even
go further and find the right people and
buy an acre of land for cheap on
the outskirts of town and plant a bunch
of food producing plants and trees and just
find treat as your own personal
nature's,
grocery store.
You can create enough abundance for 3 or
4 families.
No problem.
And these are the kinds of people that
would do that for you. Maybe you need
to know where to find a good local
rancher. These are resources that you can
use.
I'm sure some of you have moved recently
like I did, and now you have to
find all those obscure resources that aren't full
of talks and all the bullshit. While these
are the people who might know.
Maybe just need a good weed hook up.
I don't know,
but there are many options, and
the only limitation is your own creativity.
Alright. Well, yeah, that's it. I guess, I
appreciate Pope had taking a chance with me.
I know you will enjoy his subs if
you ever want to
see some of this stuff flushed out even
more so than what we can cover in
a conversation, like
And, of course, the series is ongoing along
with several others that he's juggling, but that
is the show.
Redeem myself early this July,
I hope.
And I'll see you next time. I've done
my part your move. Polar myth concealer deceptive
history reveal and guardians of the spiritual center
of this island earth.
Your
fucking
move.
From space was fall,
its light started calling,
it's making. Crop circles
again.
Just as I was looking up, it showed
me all the hidden stuff and now I'm
all enlightened zen.
Waking on the masses is hard.
Silver ships are coming up
said.
Glow
end up.
The.
Ships