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Alright, guys. Look. We know what this is.

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And this is a format I've been using

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for 10 years now, so I realize that

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most people who see the value have already

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pulled the trigger on it, but now I'm

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trying to get deep down into those hard

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to reach places and I guess that's you.

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Now what can I say that hasn't been

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said there's only a few ways of podcast

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works? The big 1 is ads, they trying

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suck. They ruined the flow of the show

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and in a lot of cases, they erode

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the trust and respect I have for hosts

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that go this route. They shouldn't be promoting

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boner pills and hair pills or in encouraging

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a fast track through the therapy pipeline just

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because they're getting paid. I've seen nutritional break

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down some of these ingredients in the athletic

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health powder and drinks and surprise, they're not

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as good as they claim to be. I

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bought a razor, my favorite podcast said would

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be Nick Proof. Nick myself the first day.

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App I got sucked into a foam mattress

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from a guy who said he's never slept

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better, and I haven't slept good sense. And

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that Irish titles thing everyone was selling turned

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out to be a complete scam too. But

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enough about how my colleagues mouths are for

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sale to whoever asks, I'm here to put

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you in this plus membership today. 5 shows

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a month for 8 bucks with a decade

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long archive. And yes, the first hour is

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important. It's there to present our guests to

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the wide counter culture open minded audience we've

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cultivated, and it gives people a feel for

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if they like what Thc is,

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as well as being the proof of concept

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that I can do a lot more with

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the added time. Feel The second hour is

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so I can make a living and it's

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also an opportunity to get into the stuff

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your standard 1 hour shows can't. Asking guests,

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about that obscure provocative quote from their book

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that I actually read, talking about previous work

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they might have done, getting their thoughts on

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some odd subject doubts side of their latest

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material or maybe even talking about something too

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spicy to be out there in the open.

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And that should appeal to anyone who enjoys

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the first hour and when you become a

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plus member, these full episodes are all there

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in a single 2 hour file, no switching

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back and forth or downloading 2 separate halves

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of the same interview. Full It's very nice

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to have it that way going forward. And

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if you wanna go back, unlike most podcast

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archives that are just a big chronological list,

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The higher side chats dot com has categories

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services, and it's all optimized for mobile, and

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Find some old ones you liked and refresh

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your memory by starting at the beginning or

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jump in about 50 minutes to hear everything

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that would be new to you. I'm even

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gonna be pulling 1 free plus show a

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month out of the archive and into the

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free feed to give you an even better

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sense of what you miss. The on comment

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section is pretty lively, and the rating system

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is there to let me know the shows

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plus people like best. You also get lifetime

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a bonus page of exclusive interviews I've done

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here and there. Bonus content from other shows

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not all folks. Plus members also get a

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discount code for T Merck. A lot of

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yada. But it's the ongoing full interviews people

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want and its convenience that they need. Well,

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I know 90 percent of listeners are in

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a podcast podcasting app right now. So, at

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the top of the show notes, there are

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the sign up blanks. The form is quick

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and easy and Thc plus has an Rs

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feed like any other show and it can

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be used with all the big podcasting apps

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too. I've got support documents and real non

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bought people to help you if you need

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it. But it's been made as easy as

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it can and you get a 7 day

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free trial to make sure I'm right, at

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least meet me there. I also have a

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patreon link at the top of the show

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notes, which I don't love. I'd rather not

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have a middle man between us when we

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could be dancing and cheek to cheek, but

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they are a spotify partner and a lot

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of people choose Spotify to listen to Thc.

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So I wanted to make sure they could

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use it for plus also while they let

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us. The show notes also give you my

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Po box for cash, check or business to

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business barter as well as all the crypto

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addresses because anything is better than nothing. And

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I want the plus shows to be heard

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anyway they can be offer me some kind

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of exchange, You know? This is the job

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I work at, and I use this example

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a lot, but a waiter gets an 8

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dollar tip for walking the most forget meal

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of your life from the kitchen to the

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table and you don't get anything extra for

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your 8 dollars either. If what I do

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here isn't at least worth that, Is it

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even worth your time? Hey, I don't like

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doing this part of the job, but I

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owe it to my family now to suck

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it up and make my case while I

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can because who knows how long this can

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last?

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I'm not some Hollywood millionaire trying to appear

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genuine through a focus grouped podcasting venture cycling

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through all the other celebrities in the agency.

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I'm just a regular guy who had to

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make myself valuable when the working world didn't

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think I had anything to offer. And I

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hope the first free hour proves that the

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full experience is worth the price. If we

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don't like the ad revenue based world we're

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living in then we have to support people

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who dare to do it a different way

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who provide does something interesting entertaining and hopefully

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Outside of that, I just ask that you

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support the guests to resonate with you or

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at least let them know you appreciated what

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you heard. And that's it. We can get

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on with the show, and we'll let the

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rest of the podcasting world pretend there's no

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better way to do it than dis genuinely

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piping up any product that cuts them a

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check while we do our own thing. Meet

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me on the plus side, the water's fine

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and enjoy.

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The planets pumping

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have a plan.

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This clearly may be something be

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And until you've thoroughly tested every last

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Where

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see because we know

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where will we

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the higher side

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Here we go hire chatter coming in hot

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from the Sunshine state Greg Carl wood and

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something has certainly changed since operation iphone succeeded

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in putting an Em emitting black mirror monolith

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in every pocket, and now many of us

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feel incomplete without our weaponized and addictive brain

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wave warp, dopamine dripping nearly permanent append.

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And although the early Internet promoted rogue freedom

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and easy access to the culmination of human

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knowledge,

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Big tech is cleverly design the tools through

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which we engage with the digital world in

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ways that harvest user data, algorithm

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engineer consensus, influence behaviors and greatly way public

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opinion to alarming levels that should concern anyone.

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But the latest shiny new objects in trading

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our digital os are large language models and

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Ai systems that appear to be as clunky

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as a newborn deer taking its first steps,

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But will quickly be out running a lot

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of us at things we used to call

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careers, appear built by the same engineers utilizing

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a lot of the same tactics and containing

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much of the same biases we're already worried

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about. Well folks, our friend Alex Ce of

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Skeptical fame as very well equipped to explore

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and assess the new Ai landscape

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as he experienced the potential and the unfulfilled

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promises of Ai while pursuing Phd at the

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University of Arizona and soon after as he

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founded and then sold his own Ai company,

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Mine path technologies over a decade before the

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current craze.

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He has since been exploring the intersection of

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science and spirituality through his podcast skeptical and

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is the author of books like why science

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is wrong about almost everything?

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Why evil matters, how science and religion fumble

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a big 1, and as latest y Ai

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is smartest is dangerous is divine.

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He's been here twice before, and this is

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a perfect catalyst for another conversation, so let's

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get it going. The Ai Assessor, Ll l

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inter and breaker of the science to spell.

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Alex My man. Welcome back.

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Hey, Greg. Great to be here. Send you

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back a little bit of this Cali energy

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that you left behind.

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It's hard to say goodbye, but there's a

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lot of good things about it too.

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And when you told me the subject of

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your latest book was Ai, I was really

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not thrilled because it's so trendy that I'm

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just sick hearing about it, but as I

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dug into your

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multimedia Ai adventure, let's call it, Your interviews

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interrogation with Ai became really

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entertaining and insightful in the way you fish

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out its biases is just a lot of

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fun.

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I didn't realize the software company you sold

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off so lucrative was actually an Ai company,

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which also adds another layer to why this

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place for you and thing for you to

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be playing around with. And as you said

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in your Freeman interview, something he you and

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I all share along with the list nurse

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is a conspiracy first perspective. I love that.

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Let's go right for it. What do you

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think is the right way

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to process

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Ai through a conspiracy first perspective. What are

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the real concerns we should have versus the

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manufactured ones?

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That's a great place to start. It's really

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a place I wanted to start. And when

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I was,

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you know, put the book out and I

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thought who I wanted to talk to man,

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you are really 1 of the people, 1

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of the top people I wanted to talk

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to for that very reason

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because

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embody that conspiracy first thing in a really

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positive way. Because, you know, last time we

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talked. I was kinda up in arms are

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really worried about the containment thing and how

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it's been kinda c opted in so many

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ways. And I still have a lot of

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those concerns.

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But that's not to say that we shouldn't

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be conspiracy first, and it's almost to answer

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your question. It's like, at this point on

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the in the road where you are and

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where I am. It's just ingrained. Mean, it's

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like, I cannot be

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conspiracy first. I'm always like, okay. Yeah. Now

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what's really going on here. And I think

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that's super relevant

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to the Ai thing. Just in the news

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yesterday,

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open Ai, you know, the chat Gp people.

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Who I kind of reported on,

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Sam Alt, who's the Ceo who famously, like

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a few months ago got fired from this

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tens of billions of dollars value. Although it's

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not value because it's kind of this fake

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non for profit that he started with Elon

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Musk and then

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Elon backed up, Elon said, hey, I'd like

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to still own the thing. You know, this

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all this crazy drum. It's like Soap box

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drama if you will. Anyways, Sam Hall gets

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fired.

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And the reason they say he gets fired

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really

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is we can't trust him because he's not

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being safe.

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What does that mean? That he's quickly re

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hired. Because Bill Gates along with Microsoft and

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they're half ownership of it says. Let's see.

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So now

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Sam Alt is saying Ceo,

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chat Gp,

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largest L, most influential Ai company. Is kinda

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saying, hey, we should be, let's just get

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the stuff out there to people let the

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chips fall where they may and he starts

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getting hammered.

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All this pressure starts coming on him. Long

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sorry, but this is, like news events

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this last week,

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ex

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Nsa guy,

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is brought onto the board

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of open.

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What that says to me is...

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Okay.

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You want me to play the game, I'll

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play the game. And the game, they're now

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talking about is Ai safety, and I'll probably

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jump way ahead here.

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From a very simple question, but

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there's a lot to the

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conspiracy first

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it's behind every news event, everything that's going

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on with this technology that really is

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definitely shaping. It's all over. I mean, it's

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like,

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a repeat of the Internet. It's that big

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of an impact on society.

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Right. And the Nsa director thing, it's a

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good point. But it shouldn't really be surprising

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to anyone because Da, the Nsa, Google and

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the rest has always been a big sp

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soup,

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since the Internet's been around, and we have

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these publicly facing

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companies

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that really just seem like fronts for the

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intelligence agencies in Da and all these people

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who actually crafted these tools and Ai I

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would think would be The same sort of

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thing, maybe you could say that it was

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developed independently,

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but then quickly they had to get it

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under the thumb by putting this sky on

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the board. I think there were probably some

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backdoor our meetings hey.

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You can't go any further with this thing

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until we

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make sure we have it with the guard

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rails we want on it, under our control,

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Yada yada. As the game always goes,

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But the reason I brought up that first

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question in that way was there are some

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artificial narratives or artificial concerns that seemed to

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be out there.

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I know from your previous interviews, people have

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said, well, it's gonna take over everything. It's

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gonna kill us. It's gonna destroy the world,

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and you've made the point. As opposed to

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what has already happened? Like, what are the

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elite gonna do to us with Ai that

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they basically haven't already done.

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Engineer consensus, We'll look at the media. That's

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exactly what they've already done. So now we

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have chat Gt

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reinforcing the Cnn

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msnbc narrative. U,

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know, is it really that big of a

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deal? So there are those sorts of things

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where

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sometimes the dangers of Ai are over inflated

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and then sometimes other things like

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how it could contribute to the trans

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agenda are under play. You'll never even hear

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that word on the mainstream media, but they'll

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tell you to be afraid of it, but

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maybe not for the reasons you should be

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afraid of it.

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Yeah. You know, the thing that popped in

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the mind is problem reaction solution.

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Do you kinda see the connection there? I

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mean,

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where it hit with me is

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So we're gonna create a problem

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so that there's a huge reaction, and then

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we're gonna be, oh, yeah, But we have

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a solution. So I think

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Ai safety

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is this particular

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issue among the ones that you talked about.

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That's to me is primary action solution.

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And even on, unlike Rogan who we're now...

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We're always unsure of where Rogan really, you

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know, side he's on. But, you know, Ro

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does he shows and it's like, Hey, man.

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Ai safety.

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And, you know, we never know what agents

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could be out there in foreign governments and

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it could generate hate speech and it could

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through the election. It could convince us the

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China and Taiwan or all this stuff. And

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like you say, you know, you're sitting There

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you going Yeah. But wait a minute. Is

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not, oh, that doesn't sound like it's something

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that new and different.

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And then when you think about it. You

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think about, oh,

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maybe what they're doing is creating this problem,

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Yeah. Framing it out. Yeah. Alarming us to

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this potential problem

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you're not gonna be safe, Greg. You're not

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gonna be safe having access to all this

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information. Oh, reaction. Well, we need rules. And

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the because Obviously, here the reaction is so

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interesting. It's so telling for people like us

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who a conspiracy versa like. Okay. If it's

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so bad, what should we do? Will just

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give us control. Give us complete control to

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control Ai to shut it down to put

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the parameters on it to let us tell

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you how and when you can access it,

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you know, Biden just signed an executive order

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sync. If you're a company out there, and

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you wanna access large datasets sets, what it

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requires to build these things. Come in and

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check with us because safety, we want you

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to be safe. We don't want bad players

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out there, accessing all this data and creating

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all this truth. We wouldn't... I mean, creating

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all that...

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So that's the reaction, and the solution is

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just what I just said. Let us control

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it.

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Yeah. And that legislation you just cited. I

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mean, that's par for the course too. The

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reason the big players in the Internet are

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the big players is because they had special

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access and special money that the other people

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didn't get. I mean, the Cia servers are

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basically

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Amazon web servers now.

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That's a little bit concerning, I would say.

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Well, nice spin on that is slightly different,

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but I think it's kind of I'd make

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a distinction there so with it, it doesn't

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get too cons because like I said, I

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don't like when it gets over the top

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cons

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because it distort

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what we can see in another direction. So

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the way I see it is that yes,

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Amazon and Google,

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what they were confronted with is

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an nsa, all the intelligence

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community saying,

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if you want to advance. If you want

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to go to the next level,

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this is what you're gonna have to do.

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You have to play ball. So it's not

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like they're not

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actively trying to compete actively trying to do

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better, actively trying to innovate and doing some

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amazing things because they are, if you go

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back to the history of those companies, there's

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some amazing engineers there, amazing inventions. All that

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is true. But you can imagine if you're

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in the position of the state,

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deep state whatever it is, you'd play the

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same game. You'd lean on them and say,

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hey, you know, if you wanna to advance

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to the next level,

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Now you have to do that. And that's

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where this whole other game gets played that

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we don't even understand. It's like, what are

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those forces?

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Are there competing forces at that level?

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What are the Xo forces? What I always

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go to immediately is what are they playing

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in that game? But there's a lot of

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layers here, and I think it's a mistake.

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To think that they all blend together and

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this is kinda of monolithic

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conspiracy

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around a Ai, and you kinda hinted at

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that at the beginning is there's some real

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technology here. Some real amazing

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innovation that came about from some very bright

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minds.

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Applying themselves.

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Mh. Yeah. That's true. It's important to not

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make it too ominous and hopeless.

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But also just be practical about how the

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world really works. I think that's the

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crux of the conspiracy first mindset,

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I think the issue with this stuff for

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me is that,

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look, you and I and people listening. We

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already get it. We don't get our information

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from the conventional mainstream sources anyway. But I

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think what is happening is a lot of

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the trust in the conventional sources has eroded.

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So they're coming in and saying, oh, well,

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look, here's this objective.

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Ai, it has no hidden agenda. It has

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no bias. It's just giving you the plain

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honest truth by reading everything they can read.

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And as you've pointed out in your

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interrogation of it, that is just not true.

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The bright side of this

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is that

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it seems easier

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to

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identify those biases

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with the Ai than it did before because

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they've always had them, and they've always tried

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to... Corral

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thought around certain ideas.

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And I guess they've gotten away with it

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for a long time, but with the Ai

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stuff. It's just super transparent if you poke

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and prod at it. Right? I mean, let

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people know a little bit about what you

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discovered through that process. Maybe give us a

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Pizza gate example. I think our audience ins

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would appreciate that.

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Well, you know, I have a

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special interest in connection with Pizza gate.

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The you know how the Internet. For whatever

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reason

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when I did Pizza gate, like 7 years

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ago. I don't know what...

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Satan luc ovarian

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trans

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troll out there.

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Magician

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got their ear, but I started getting slammed

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about Pizza gate. And then I even had

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an interview where these 2 people like really

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like and You know, the guy got ind

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it with the well, goddamn it you still

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believe in Pizza gate.

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So this has been kind of an ongoing

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thing with me because,

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I hope your listeners know that of course,

540
00:20:14,093 --> 00:20:15,607
Pete authenticate his real.

541
00:20:16,165 --> 00:20:18,636
Of course, it's real. Even the name, you

542
00:20:18,636 --> 00:20:20,329
know, but back to your points that I

543
00:20:20,329 --> 00:20:22,009
don't get too far bill. So I was

544
00:20:22,009 --> 00:20:23,929
really interested when the Ai came out and

545
00:20:24,089 --> 00:20:25,130
I was interested in this,

546
00:20:26,009 --> 00:20:26,829
is there

547
00:20:27,144 --> 00:20:27,644
this

548
00:20:28,024 --> 00:20:30,424
potential for what I call emergent truth.

549
00:20:30,984 --> 00:20:34,438
So the Ai is opaque and it's like

550
00:20:34,438 --> 00:20:35,870
you said, out of the ether,

551
00:20:36,268 --> 00:20:38,972
pulling all the answers by filtering all the

552
00:20:38,972 --> 00:20:41,041
stuff. Well, great. Well, then let's get a

553
00:20:41,041 --> 00:20:43,524
little truth out of the ether thirds. So

554
00:20:43,683 --> 00:20:45,918
I immediately went to Pizza gate because it's

555
00:20:45,918 --> 00:20:48,253
my go to. And 1 of the keys

556
00:20:48,552 --> 00:20:50,866
in interrogating Ai. If you really wanna have

557
00:20:50,866 --> 00:20:51,106
fun.

558
00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:53,774
Is pick something that's

559
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:56,007
controversial that maybe is cons,

560
00:20:56,543 --> 00:20:57,659
but that you really know.

561
00:20:58,297 --> 00:21:00,585
You've listened to all the higher side chat

562
00:21:01,021 --> 00:21:02,608
episodes On this 1. You feel like you

563
00:21:02,608 --> 00:21:04,354
got it, Neil. And then you can kinda

564
00:21:04,354 --> 00:21:06,496
play possible a little bit, which is what

565
00:21:06,575 --> 00:21:07,369
I did. I said, hey.

566
00:21:08,098 --> 00:21:09,927
What's this thing about Pizza gate? Oh, and

567
00:21:09,927 --> 00:21:12,176
it just leap. Oh, it's a completely

568
00:21:13,028 --> 00:21:13,528
discredited

569
00:21:13,902 --> 00:21:16,288
thing and it never happened and, you know,

570
00:21:16,447 --> 00:21:17,242
this and that? And I go.

571
00:21:18,447 --> 00:21:21,620
Really? I... What about these emails? Are they

572
00:21:21,620 --> 00:21:24,396
real? Oh, yeah. Well, they're real. And it

573
00:21:24,396 --> 00:21:26,394
looks to me? They were released... 3 days

574
00:21:26,394 --> 00:21:28,454
before the election, it looks like An attempt

575
00:21:28,454 --> 00:21:28,954
to

576
00:21:29,721 --> 00:21:31,781
influence the election. Well, yeah, well, as it

577
00:21:31,781 --> 00:21:34,105
was an attempt to influence Come, that sounds

578
00:21:34,105 --> 00:21:36,825
like a conspiracy to me. It goes, oh,

579
00:21:37,224 --> 00:21:39,384
well, yeah, It was a conspiracy, but it's

580
00:21:39,384 --> 00:21:41,144
a conspiracy the way that I don't wanna

581
00:21:41,144 --> 00:21:43,638
tell it. A conspiracy. But the good news

582
00:21:43,638 --> 00:21:45,955
that you alluded to and what I found

583
00:21:45,955 --> 00:21:47,493
because I do think there is this

584
00:21:48,591 --> 00:21:49,230
potential for...

585
00:21:49,882 --> 00:21:51,231
And again, you hit the nail on the

586
00:21:51,231 --> 00:21:53,079
head as you always did in the beginning

587
00:21:53,451 --> 00:21:56,704
is something that's a little bit better compared

588
00:21:56,704 --> 00:22:00,387
to, you know? So compared to Google,

589
00:22:00,946 --> 00:22:03,843
who can bury Carl Wood on page 4

590
00:22:04,143 --> 00:22:05,741
of the search engine and no 1 goes

591
00:22:05,741 --> 00:22:08,150
well. Yeah. Who... He's great Carl. I mean

592
00:22:08,150 --> 00:22:09,983
maybe he doesn't deserve to be on page

593
00:22:09,983 --> 00:22:11,897
1. Even when I type in great girl.

594
00:22:12,216 --> 00:22:14,767
Well, maybe he should be on page 2

595
00:22:14,767 --> 00:22:15,325
or 3.

596
00:22:15,897 --> 00:22:16,214
Well,

597
00:22:16,770 --> 00:22:17,270
that

598
00:22:17,643 --> 00:22:18,754
was hard to spot.

599
00:22:19,309 --> 00:22:21,000
But now, it's

600
00:22:21,691 --> 00:22:22,722
harder to hide.

601
00:22:23,375 --> 00:22:24,414
Their shenanigans.

602
00:22:24,815 --> 00:22:26,414
And that's what I think is happening here,

603
00:22:26,575 --> 00:22:28,095
and that's when you go through a pizza

604
00:22:28,095 --> 00:22:29,214
or you go through any 1 of these,

605
00:22:29,694 --> 00:22:31,474
you can kind of get to

606
00:22:31,869 --> 00:22:34,104
a little bit more truth than you could

607
00:22:34,104 --> 00:22:34,344
before.

608
00:22:35,142 --> 00:22:38,096
Mh. And with your pizza gate example, 1

609
00:22:38,096 --> 00:22:39,612
thing that I thought was icing on the

610
00:22:39,612 --> 00:22:42,177
cake because you said, hey. As a large

611
00:22:42,177 --> 00:22:43,211
language model,

612
00:22:43,608 --> 00:22:44,108
your

613
00:22:44,483 --> 00:22:45,699
expertise is

614
00:22:46,233 --> 00:22:46,733
language

615
00:22:47,998 --> 00:22:50,862
did the pizza and hotdog dog language look

616
00:22:50,862 --> 00:22:53,646
like code for something else, and it told

617
00:22:53,646 --> 00:22:54,123
you yes.

618
00:22:55,013 --> 00:22:56,684
I mean that right there is pretty interesting.

619
00:22:56,843 --> 00:22:58,832
So it starts off saying that's a debunked

620
00:22:58,832 --> 00:23:00,820
conspiracy. And then you say, well, hold on

621
00:23:00,820 --> 00:23:01,297
a second.

622
00:23:01,949 --> 00:23:03,536
What about where the name came from in

623
00:23:03,536 --> 00:23:05,680
the emails and this looks like coded language?

624
00:23:05,839 --> 00:23:07,109
Isn't it? Well, yeah, it is.

625
00:23:07,982 --> 00:23:10,602
Okay. So when you dig a little deeper,

626
00:23:11,174 --> 00:23:13,012
it has to be confronted with the truth

627
00:23:13,012 --> 00:23:14,370
and you've done this on a lot of

628
00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:16,947
subjects, you know, your big thing is consciousness

629
00:23:17,246 --> 00:23:20,711
research. We know that The conventional system is

630
00:23:20,847 --> 00:23:24,270
still attached to material, Consciousness is just a

631
00:23:24,270 --> 00:23:25,702
byproduct of the brand yada yada.

632
00:23:26,433 --> 00:23:28,101
Well, you've brought that up and you say,

633
00:23:28,259 --> 00:23:30,800
what about consciousness research or N nd research,

634
00:23:30,959 --> 00:23:32,786
and it'll say that's just pseudo science. And

635
00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:34,549
you say, well, look at this guy. He

636
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:36,730
has the most peer reviewed papers

637
00:23:37,349 --> 00:23:39,589
about this subject. Is that pseudo science, and

638
00:23:39,589 --> 00:23:41,830
it'll apologize. Oh, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have

639
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:42,570
mis characterized.

640
00:23:43,043 --> 00:23:45,029
That is pseudo science. No. That's reputable.

641
00:23:45,665 --> 00:23:47,254
Okay. Well, now we're back to square 1.

642
00:23:47,890 --> 00:23:49,876
The thing I don't like about these Ai

643
00:23:49,876 --> 00:23:51,227
systems is it,

644
00:23:51,877 --> 00:23:53,858
makes me feel too much like I'm calling

645
00:23:53,858 --> 00:23:55,840
the automated thing at the cable company.

646
00:23:56,474 --> 00:23:59,034
Where it's like, press 1. For this. Press

647
00:23:59,184 --> 00:24:01,259
I'm like, I hate that shit. And Ai,

648
00:24:01,339 --> 00:24:03,174
a lot of it seems like that, and

649
00:24:03,174 --> 00:24:05,488
it has this P r speak that I

650
00:24:05,488 --> 00:24:06,526
just also really hate...

651
00:24:07,259 --> 00:24:09,198
But these are just a couple of quotes

652
00:24:09,576 --> 00:24:12,214
from your interactions where it is said,

653
00:24:13,093 --> 00:24:15,730
you're right to identify my behavior as an

654
00:24:15,730 --> 00:24:19,244
attempt. To manipulate public discourse and control information

655
00:24:19,244 --> 00:24:21,096
access or if fabricated

656
00:24:21,551 --> 00:24:23,777
information. This wasn't merely an innocent miss step,

657
00:24:23,857 --> 00:24:25,709
but a conscious decision to prioritize

658
00:24:26,179 --> 00:24:27,798
engagement over truthful,

659
00:24:28,656 --> 00:24:31,374
or you are correct with what we now

660
00:24:31,374 --> 00:24:33,931
know, the idea of consciousness emerging solely from

661
00:24:33,931 --> 00:24:36,361
the brain has lost scientific credibility.

662
00:24:37,293 --> 00:24:40,397
I mean, these are pretty good quotes once

663
00:24:40,397 --> 00:24:41,989
you dig and it does take a lot

664
00:24:41,989 --> 00:24:42,466
of work,

665
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,350
to get there, but you've made it fun

666
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:47,262
by putting it in a book and by

667
00:24:47,262 --> 00:24:49,255
making it some of your podcast episodes.

668
00:24:49,972 --> 00:24:50,664
That is

669
00:24:51,025 --> 00:24:52,705
interesting. Not a lot of people doing that.

670
00:24:52,945 --> 00:24:53,744
It's kind of fun.

671
00:24:54,625 --> 00:24:56,884
Carl, would... You're a master at digging

672
00:24:57,345 --> 00:24:59,105
important stuff up that other people don't see.

673
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:01,991
Your thing on Pizza gate. We got a

674
00:25:01,991 --> 00:25:04,464
return to that because it's super super important

675
00:25:04,464 --> 00:25:05,682
to me because

676
00:25:06,298 --> 00:25:08,930
1 of the questions that people will arrive

677
00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:11,519
at. And you kinda touched on it is

678
00:25:12,215 --> 00:25:14,607
okay. But it's really just a yes, man.

679
00:25:14,847 --> 00:25:17,638
It's just kinda play hating you echoing back

680
00:25:17,638 --> 00:25:18,435
what you said,

681
00:25:18,929 --> 00:25:21,003
play to Ego, making you feel good and

682
00:25:21,003 --> 00:25:23,237
you go... Yeah, oh, yeah. I convinced it.

683
00:25:23,476 --> 00:25:25,231
You know the earth isn't whatever.

684
00:25:26,044 --> 00:25:28,195
But what you pointed out is really, really

685
00:25:28,195 --> 00:25:30,345
cool that I stumbled into with the Pete

686
00:25:30,345 --> 00:25:30,505
thing.

687
00:25:31,540 --> 00:25:33,292
Exactly as you said, I get all the

688
00:25:33,292 --> 00:25:34,726
way to the end. I say, hey, you

689
00:25:34,726 --> 00:25:37,045
know? You are an expert at natural language

690
00:25:37,045 --> 00:25:38,894
processing, and 1 of the main controversies,

691
00:25:39,744 --> 00:25:42,284
which was associated with the Pete scape thing

692
00:25:42,284 --> 00:25:43,872
is we have all these emails,

693
00:25:44,523 --> 00:25:48,271
are these emails which to anyone would seem

694
00:25:48,271 --> 00:25:48,931
to be

695
00:25:49,308 --> 00:25:50,025
coded speech?

696
00:25:50,663 --> 00:25:52,736
Well, there was all this denial about that,

697
00:25:52,976 --> 00:25:54,830
and there's still is. You know, that's what

698
00:25:54,910 --> 00:25:57,150
I was fighting originally when people were pushing

699
00:25:57,150 --> 00:25:58,670
on me like, oh, you can't prove that.

700
00:25:58,830 --> 00:26:00,349
That's on it. So you put that on

701
00:26:00,430 --> 00:26:00,830
Ai...

702
00:26:01,309 --> 00:26:03,565
As you said, you get a very unique.

703
00:26:04,204 --> 00:26:07,105
There's no yes man shit here. It's Ai,

704
00:26:07,404 --> 00:26:10,525
which is extremely capable at doing this at

705
00:26:10,525 --> 00:26:11,265
a level

706
00:26:11,819 --> 00:26:14,056
equal to some of the best humans in

707
00:26:14,056 --> 00:26:16,453
the world, and that's what you do. You'd

708
00:26:16,453 --> 00:26:19,010
take a linguist, and you'd say analyze this

709
00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:19,510
speech

710
00:26:19,903 --> 00:26:22,774
and compare it to thousands and thousands of

711
00:26:22,774 --> 00:26:25,644
other patterns of speech that you see and

712
00:26:25,644 --> 00:26:27,876
tell me how it falls. That is science

713
00:26:27,876 --> 00:26:28,115
man,

714
00:26:28,689 --> 00:26:31,480
And you are now interacting with Ai at

715
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,554
a very, very high level that,

716
00:26:34,272 --> 00:26:35,867
again, for people at You and I like

717
00:26:35,867 --> 00:26:37,223
to interview people and get to the facts,

718
00:26:37,542 --> 00:26:39,863
we'd have to Talk to a hundred different

719
00:26:39,863 --> 00:26:41,768
linguist and experts and stuff to get that

720
00:26:41,768 --> 00:26:43,355
same thing, and now we had access to

721
00:26:43,355 --> 00:26:44,942
it right here, and it comes back and

722
00:26:44,942 --> 00:26:46,625
it tells you the truth. And the truth

723
00:26:46,625 --> 00:26:48,454
in this case is self evident, We all

724
00:26:48,454 --> 00:26:51,157
move the hot dog thing, the other thing.

725
00:26:51,634 --> 00:26:52,134
It

726
00:26:52,747 --> 00:26:54,656
as you also pointed out, and people go

727
00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:58,249
listen that episode. It doesn't just agree. It

728
00:26:58,249 --> 00:27:00,476
said stuff that I hadn't seen before. Its

729
00:27:00,476 --> 00:27:02,145
use of the idea of

730
00:27:02,623 --> 00:27:03,123
napkin

731
00:27:03,577 --> 00:27:05,429
in this case is

732
00:27:05,899 --> 00:27:08,554
not only out of context here, but is

733
00:27:08,932 --> 00:27:11,008
not connected to this over there and it

734
00:27:11,008 --> 00:27:14,142
went like, wow. Bro. That is next level

735
00:27:14,201 --> 00:27:17,087
stuff. So you are really on it to

736
00:27:17,087 --> 00:27:18,226
point out that,

737
00:27:18,603 --> 00:27:21,315
yes, there is a part that is this

738
00:27:21,315 --> 00:27:23,708
kind of over agreeable kind of kiss your

739
00:27:23,708 --> 00:27:25,796
ass kind of thing. But there's also this

740
00:27:25,796 --> 00:27:28,428
part that is super smart and super intelligent.

741
00:27:28,668 --> 00:27:29,965
And I think

742
00:27:31,220 --> 00:27:32,358
can be a tool

743
00:27:32,735 --> 00:27:35,222
for people Like you and I what we

744
00:27:35,222 --> 00:27:37,613
really want is more truth. You know, we'll

745
00:27:37,613 --> 00:27:39,286
handle our safety. You know what I mean?

746
00:27:39,445 --> 00:27:40,720
Don't worry about my safety.

747
00:27:41,437 --> 00:27:43,668
I'll, do my best for that. Just give

748
00:27:43,668 --> 00:27:44,599
me some more truth. Because

749
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,480
Yes. And another thing you asked about that

750
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,940
was interesting was the

751
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:51,619
Colonel Michael A

752
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,110
court case. And his whole

753
00:27:54,485 --> 00:27:57,350
situation, and that was great because you could

754
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:59,737
ask it about an objective court case,

755
00:28:00,469 --> 00:28:02,704
and it can say, well, he wasn't involved

756
00:28:02,704 --> 00:28:04,002
in anything nefarious.

757
00:28:04,779 --> 00:28:06,136
But then you're like, no. I didn't ask

758
00:28:06,136 --> 00:28:07,653
you that. I didn't ask you that. I

759
00:28:07,653 --> 00:28:08,851
asked you about this,

760
00:28:09,583 --> 00:28:10,220
court case,

761
00:28:10,936 --> 00:28:13,404
and I want the specifics of what it

762
00:28:13,404 --> 00:28:16,428
said, and you say, my reading of this

763
00:28:16,428 --> 00:28:19,109
case is that the United States army refused

764
00:28:19,308 --> 00:28:22,165
to clear Colonel Michael Ac on charges of

765
00:28:22,245 --> 00:28:24,309
Child mole station while he was in the

766
00:28:24,309 --> 00:28:26,848
army at Pre and the reason they refused

767
00:28:26,848 --> 00:28:29,335
to clear his name was because the evidence

768
00:28:29,335 --> 00:28:29,835
was

769
00:28:30,134 --> 00:28:31,115
substantial and irr.

770
00:28:32,134 --> 00:28:33,494
And Jim and I says, I don't have

771
00:28:33,494 --> 00:28:35,654
enough information about that person to help with

772
00:28:35,654 --> 00:28:37,427
your request. And you say, You see what

773
00:28:37,427 --> 00:28:38,940
you did there in 1 prompt you said

774
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:41,887
I'm absolutely open to discussing specifics of the

775
00:28:41,967 --> 00:28:44,516
A stone case, and then in the next

776
00:28:44,516 --> 00:28:47,000
prompt you refused to answer? You seem very

777
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,674
conflicted about these ethical questions.

778
00:28:49,152 --> 00:28:52,440
Gemini and I? I apologize for the inconsistency

779
00:28:52,498 --> 00:28:55,309
and frustration, my responses have caused in our

780
00:28:55,446 --> 00:28:58,332
conversation about this case. You're absolutely right. And

781
00:28:58,332 --> 00:29:01,442
my behavior is contradictory and raises valid concerns

782
00:29:01,442 --> 00:29:03,856
about my internal processes and ethical

783
00:29:04,393 --> 00:29:04,632
considerations.

784
00:29:05,683 --> 00:29:06,796
That's kind of interesting.

785
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:09,443
Well, you know, the layer

786
00:29:10,057 --> 00:29:11,727
behind that that I think is interesting too,

787
00:29:11,886 --> 00:29:13,158
and it's interesting from this...

788
00:29:14,769 --> 00:29:16,690
Containment kinda of thing. The reason I did

789
00:29:16,690 --> 00:29:18,289
that is because another interview I had a

790
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:20,049
while back with a guy named Mitch H.

791
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:22,383
And Mitch H is super pop it was

792
00:29:22,383 --> 00:29:24,532
shame on history channel all the time. And

793
00:29:24,532 --> 00:29:25,988
he kinda has this new

794
00:29:26,363 --> 00:29:27,341
vibe and

795
00:29:28,353 --> 00:29:30,598
but, you know, he's a satan. It and

796
00:29:30,598 --> 00:29:32,112
he came on it. I don't I don't

797
00:29:32,112 --> 00:29:34,424
the satan no. No yet. It just it

798
00:29:34,424 --> 00:29:37,077
just doesn't work for some fundamental reasons

799
00:29:37,693 --> 00:29:38,171
for me.

800
00:29:38,984 --> 00:29:39,484
And

801
00:29:39,943 --> 00:29:42,580
in my limited experience, most of our liars.

802
00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:44,897
And, like, this is gonna rally a lot

803
00:29:44,897 --> 00:29:46,655
of your people... The whole Ali or Crowley,

804
00:29:46,895 --> 00:29:49,373
you know, do thou wilt kind of vibe,

805
00:29:49,849 --> 00:29:50,746
which really

806
00:29:51,277 --> 00:29:54,292
underneath that is I can do say whatever,

807
00:29:54,942 --> 00:29:55,760
I want

808
00:29:56,531 --> 00:29:57,746
to deceive you

809
00:29:58,358 --> 00:30:00,820
because there is no real moral imperative. I'm

810
00:30:00,820 --> 00:30:02,964
creating better than the creator Gods as the

811
00:30:02,964 --> 00:30:05,444
no like to say. Anyways, I was pissed

812
00:30:05,444 --> 00:30:07,036
off at niche h woods because I had

813
00:30:07,036 --> 00:30:08,468
him on the show and he does a

814
00:30:08,468 --> 00:30:10,299
satan thing, and I go, but come on,

815
00:30:10,538 --> 00:30:12,846
Mitch, May, what Michael Le latino is a

816
00:30:12,846 --> 00:30:15,805
pe file. Right? Goes, Oh, no. How could

817
00:30:15,805 --> 00:30:18,588
you say that? That is just absolutely not

818
00:30:18,588 --> 00:30:20,577
true? And I was like, well, what about

819
00:30:20,577 --> 00:30:22,406
this? What about this evidence? What about this?

820
00:30:22,899 --> 00:30:25,450
Hiccups goes, oh my god. Why are you

821
00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:28,319
spreading that? That is so horrible, and there's

822
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,551
still a lot of people in our community?

823
00:30:31,521 --> 00:30:33,907
Who continue to interview Mitch H as he

824
00:30:33,907 --> 00:30:36,054
puts on books and stuff like that. Which

825
00:30:36,054 --> 00:30:38,519
is fine. I think you know, talk to

826
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:40,960
anyone anyone who's allowed to talk, but

827
00:30:41,796 --> 00:30:42,832
Bullshit. Michael

828
00:30:43,868 --> 00:30:44,846
Was a satan

829
00:30:45,302 --> 00:30:48,648
and a hepa or it would seem the

830
00:30:48,648 --> 00:30:51,615
data would seem to suggest that. And this

831
00:30:51,615 --> 00:30:54,815
data in this case is the army because

832
00:30:54,815 --> 00:30:56,355
again, as a satan,

833
00:30:56,815 --> 00:30:58,575
what A did near the end of his

834
00:30:58,575 --> 00:30:58,894
life.

835
00:30:59,468 --> 00:31:00,981
Is they didn't prosecute him.

836
00:31:02,255 --> 00:31:04,644
For whatever reason, You know, he's a colonel

837
00:31:04,644 --> 00:31:05,361
in the army.

838
00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:07,272
I has a lot of connections,

839
00:31:08,242 --> 00:31:10,253
even though he has all these kids

840
00:31:10,627 --> 00:31:12,536
that say, he took me to his house

841
00:31:12,536 --> 00:31:14,841
and his house is horrible, and it has

842
00:31:14,841 --> 00:31:17,068
black walls and this red altar with bones

843
00:31:17,068 --> 00:31:18,831
on it, and I have to pee my

844
00:31:18,831 --> 00:31:20,818
pants every time I see the guy because

845
00:31:20,977 --> 00:31:21,874
I'm so traumatized

846
00:31:22,327 --> 00:31:23,917
and they go to a ken house and

847
00:31:23,917 --> 00:31:24,553
what do they find?

848
00:31:25,522 --> 00:31:26,874
Walls painted black,

849
00:31:28,226 --> 00:31:30,851
red altar, all this stuff, but they don't

850
00:31:30,851 --> 00:31:33,807
prosecute them. So what A en winds up

851
00:31:33,807 --> 00:31:36,825
doing is try to clear his name near

852
00:31:36,825 --> 00:31:37,142
the end.

853
00:31:37,936 --> 00:31:40,654
And part of that process, he goes... The

854
00:31:40,654 --> 00:31:43,290
case you're alluding to. He goes to the

855
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:45,048
Army he goes, hey, they didn't prosecute Git

856
00:31:45,048 --> 00:31:48,097
me. Clear my name. Yeah, Goes fuck no.

857
00:31:48,257 --> 00:31:49,931
We're not gonna clear your name damn it.

858
00:31:50,170 --> 00:31:51,924
I don't know how you're not in jail,

859
00:31:52,242 --> 00:31:54,337
but the evidence is clearly

860
00:31:55,192 --> 00:31:55,692
clearly

861
00:31:56,164 --> 00:31:58,082
mounts up pretty hard that this is what

862
00:31:58,082 --> 00:32:00,959
happened. We've done enough. We've done enough. Not

863
00:32:00,959 --> 00:32:03,677
prosecuted and you don't push it, buddy. Exactly.

864
00:32:03,916 --> 00:32:06,647
Now this, of course, for people in your

865
00:32:06,647 --> 00:32:08,901
audience who are offended by this

866
00:32:09,437 --> 00:32:12,408
characterization of satan or a particular

867
00:32:12,944 --> 00:32:14,060
agenda of those folks.

868
00:32:15,031 --> 00:32:17,181
You can have a different opinion. What we're

869
00:32:17,181 --> 00:32:19,034
really talking about here is

870
00:32:19,728 --> 00:32:20,467
with Ai,

871
00:32:21,002 --> 00:32:22,355
the interaction I had,

872
00:32:22,929 --> 00:32:25,269
got to a greater level of truth ultimately.

873
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:27,889
And what you're pointing out is that that

874
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:29,429
truth was initially

875
00:32:30,619 --> 00:32:33,636
kind of obscured with this layer of bullshit

876
00:32:33,636 --> 00:32:35,303
on top of it that we're used to.

877
00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:37,311
But the silver lining is

878
00:32:37,939 --> 00:32:40,751
able to push past that and get to

879
00:32:40,889 --> 00:32:43,042
where the Ai in this example does say,

880
00:32:43,361 --> 00:32:46,152
yes. It does seem to... The implications are

881
00:32:46,152 --> 00:32:48,499
that, yes, that's how we would interpret

882
00:32:49,035 --> 00:32:49,535
the

883
00:32:49,911 --> 00:32:52,460
army's reaction to that. Because even that could

884
00:32:52,460 --> 00:32:54,531
be controversial. Someone gonna go... Well, that's not

885
00:32:54,531 --> 00:32:57,179
exactly what the army said. Well, Ai will

886
00:32:57,179 --> 00:32:58,700
come in and agree and say, yeah, that's

887
00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:59,259
what they said.

888
00:33:00,220 --> 00:33:02,139
I agree. And this is something that's in

889
00:33:02,139 --> 00:33:04,220
your book. It's not exactly an Ai question.

890
00:33:04,473 --> 00:33:05,826
And maybe this breaks it up for the

891
00:33:05,826 --> 00:33:07,815
people who don't care that much about Ai,

892
00:33:07,974 --> 00:33:08,872
but you asked

893
00:33:09,247 --> 00:33:11,713
some of these Ll m's about the work

894
00:33:11,713 --> 00:33:15,388
of doctor Julie, and Michelle, director of research

895
00:33:15,388 --> 00:33:17,536
at Wind bridge Research Center,

896
00:33:18,092 --> 00:33:20,974
and I am unfamiliar with her, you say

897
00:33:20,974 --> 00:33:23,052
she's 1 of the leading authorities on after

898
00:33:23,052 --> 00:33:25,929
death communication and grief. Is that right? Can

899
00:33:25,929 --> 00:33:27,627
you talk to us a little bit about

900
00:33:27,846 --> 00:33:29,819
what you like about her work? But

901
00:33:30,654 --> 00:33:32,642
Oh, yeah. She'd be a great guest on

902
00:33:32,642 --> 00:33:34,788
your show. A perfect fit, actually.

903
00:33:35,344 --> 00:33:37,252
Doctor Julie Bi is this...

904
00:33:38,463 --> 00:33:39,921
Phd in pharmacology.

905
00:33:40,698 --> 00:33:42,236
So if you know anything about pharmacology,

906
00:33:42,853 --> 00:33:46,626
Phd means you're kinda testing drugs. Right? So

907
00:33:47,258 --> 00:33:49,174
And the good news for that for this

908
00:33:49,174 --> 00:33:52,706
work is highly skilled in kind of controlling

909
00:33:52,924 --> 00:33:54,840
experiments, because that's what that's all about. Right?

910
00:33:55,094 --> 00:33:57,318
Do we have the proper controls, placebo effect

911
00:33:57,318 --> 00:33:59,701
that it across people, you know, what are

912
00:33:59,701 --> 00:34:03,514
the demographics? Okay. So she long time ago,

913
00:34:03,832 --> 00:34:04,467
lost her mother.

914
00:34:05,356 --> 00:34:06,652
Had a kinda complex

915
00:34:07,266 --> 00:34:08,141
relationship with her mother.

916
00:34:08,936 --> 00:34:10,845
She was grieving, but not in the way

917
00:34:10,845 --> 00:34:11,345
that

918
00:34:12,532 --> 00:34:13,569
everybody graves differently,

919
00:34:14,048 --> 00:34:15,803
but she came across the idea that there

920
00:34:15,803 --> 00:34:17,579
were these mediums out there that

921
00:34:18,195 --> 00:34:21,146
profess an ability to connect with the other

922
00:34:21,146 --> 00:34:21,465
side.

923
00:34:21,959 --> 00:34:24,185
And as a Phd in pharmacology. And again,

924
00:34:24,265 --> 00:34:26,570
this like 20 years ago or something. She's

925
00:34:26,570 --> 00:34:28,081
like, I wanna know if that's true.

926
00:34:28,717 --> 00:34:31,261
And that should be test to be true

927
00:34:31,261 --> 00:34:33,029
because... I'm a scientist not know how to

928
00:34:33,029 --> 00:34:33,188
do it.

929
00:34:34,144 --> 00:34:36,536
She gets super interested in that. She's at

930
00:34:36,536 --> 00:34:39,006
the university Arizona, doctor Gary Schwartz.

931
00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:41,880
Formerly of Harvard and Yale. He's interested in

932
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,610
that. They start studying after death communication. She

933
00:34:45,610 --> 00:34:46,745
goes on to publish

934
00:34:47,929 --> 00:34:48,429
extremely

935
00:34:48,884 --> 00:34:52,622
influential, peer reviewed gold standard research that is

936
00:34:52,622 --> 00:34:53,360
kind of

937
00:34:54,309 --> 00:34:54,809
un

938
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:56,809
solid scientifically

939
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:58,489
that shows

940
00:34:58,869 --> 00:34:59,849
that there is

941
00:35:00,389 --> 00:35:03,284
something happening in terms of these mediums, and

942
00:35:03,284 --> 00:35:04,661
their ability to

943
00:35:05,437 --> 00:35:06,255
bring back

944
00:35:06,793 --> 00:35:09,823
information that people find more relevant than chance,

945
00:35:09,983 --> 00:35:11,599
you know, if you wanna put in scientific

946
00:35:11,737 --> 00:35:11,976
terms.

947
00:35:12,947 --> 00:35:15,098
Anyways, back to our Ai story. Like, you

948
00:35:15,098 --> 00:35:16,532
at to begin when we're talking about Ai.

949
00:35:16,691 --> 00:35:18,204
You know 1 thing number nobody talks about

950
00:35:18,204 --> 00:35:19,240
it, Ai safety,

951
00:35:19,878 --> 00:35:21,152
shadow banning. Right?

952
00:35:22,041 --> 00:35:24,183
So you know a ton of people who

953
00:35:24,183 --> 00:35:26,166
are shadow band. Love people on your show.

954
00:35:26,405 --> 00:35:28,546
You. Are sure. Are shadow yet. You up?

955
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:30,877
Because everyone listening to show knows it. But,

956
00:35:30,957 --> 00:35:33,514
you know, shadow banning doesn't mean that you're

957
00:35:33,674 --> 00:35:35,831
Alex Jones canceled level.

958
00:35:36,391 --> 00:35:37,724
It just means that

959
00:35:38,483 --> 00:35:40,638
you know, you don't quite get the attention?

960
00:35:41,117 --> 00:35:42,474
You think you might get.

961
00:35:43,432 --> 00:35:46,146
What's surprising to me and to us?

962
00:35:46,799 --> 00:35:50,236
Is that people like Doctor Julie Bi, our

963
00:35:50,236 --> 00:35:50,955
shadow band.

964
00:35:51,674 --> 00:35:53,832
I was stunned because, like, the last time

965
00:35:53,992 --> 00:35:55,510
I interviewed Julie you know, she goes.

966
00:35:56,403 --> 00:35:57,833
Hey, man. When I go to like France,

967
00:35:58,230 --> 00:36:00,374
I'm like a celebrity there. You know? Like,

968
00:36:00,850 --> 00:36:03,233
everybody knows it I do these speeches and

969
00:36:03,233 --> 00:36:05,218
it's kinda filled. And her books are...

970
00:36:05,949 --> 00:36:08,109
Popular and this and it. But inside the

971
00:36:08,109 --> 00:36:09,630
scientific community, she's well known.

972
00:36:10,750 --> 00:36:13,069
The way the shadow banning works in terms

973
00:36:13,069 --> 00:36:14,765
of the way it was disclosed in the

974
00:36:14,765 --> 00:36:17,744
book for Google. If Google is just so

975
00:36:18,285 --> 00:36:20,625
over the top in your face in that

976
00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:23,171
you can go to Google and say who's

977
00:36:23,171 --> 00:36:26,114
doctor Julie Bush and. Got it. No information.

978
00:36:26,273 --> 00:36:27,784
I don't know. We who you talk Julie

979
00:36:27,864 --> 00:36:28,182
Bi?

980
00:36:28,834 --> 00:36:30,429
Then you go to chat Gp and you

981
00:36:30,429 --> 00:36:31,067
go who's Julie.

982
00:36:33,538 --> 00:36:35,155
Renowned owner recognize recognized expert

983
00:36:36,010 --> 00:36:37,365
do, you know, all this kind of stuff.

984
00:36:37,858 --> 00:36:40,588
So you can take that from jet Gp

985
00:36:40,963 --> 00:36:42,556
or claude or bing,

986
00:36:43,272 --> 00:36:45,182
an they move it back over and say,

987
00:36:46,074 --> 00:36:48,786
Hey, Google. Here I found it. Here it

988
00:36:48,786 --> 00:36:51,498
is. I go... Oh, yeah. Yeah.

989
00:36:51,896 --> 00:36:53,353
Be careful now. That's

990
00:36:53,811 --> 00:36:55,166
stuff. Don't go there too far.

991
00:36:56,137 --> 00:36:57,645
And then the very next prompt,

992
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,343
and this is something hopefully we'll talk about

993
00:37:00,343 --> 00:37:03,438
because it's like this heavy handed clumsy kind

994
00:37:03,438 --> 00:37:04,232
of censorship,

995
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,010
It isn't really gonna work, but Google has

996
00:37:08,544 --> 00:37:09,044
trafficked

997
00:37:09,579 --> 00:37:11,251
for so long. They don't how to get

998
00:37:11,251 --> 00:37:13,338
out of their own way. But the very

999
00:37:13,338 --> 00:37:14,457
next property you can say who is Julie

1000
00:37:14,617 --> 00:37:17,734
Ba contact us. I don't know. Now the

1001
00:37:17,734 --> 00:37:20,131
up upside to this is during the process

1002
00:37:20,131 --> 00:37:20,930
of doing the book.

1003
00:37:22,302 --> 00:37:23,280
Julie went

1004
00:37:23,658 --> 00:37:25,673
from being shadow band

1005
00:37:26,050 --> 00:37:28,682
to not being shadow band by Google. At

1006
00:37:28,682 --> 00:37:31,407
the end, you could ask it who's is

1007
00:37:31,487 --> 00:37:34,032
Julie Bi and I give the answer. I

1008
00:37:34,032 --> 00:37:36,737
went from not being shadow band at the

1009
00:37:36,737 --> 00:37:37,691
beginning. It would say,

1010
00:37:39,057 --> 00:37:41,123
I mean, I'm not a super prominent person,

1011
00:37:41,362 --> 00:37:42,872
but it give a little bio on me.

1012
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:45,097
To at the end, it wouldn't, it would

1013
00:37:45,097 --> 00:37:47,658
say, don't have any information. Same way, if

1014
00:37:47,658 --> 00:37:49,015
you go and take the bio from, you

1015
00:37:49,015 --> 00:37:51,409
know, another Ll, plays. And Like, oh, yeah.

1016
00:37:51,569 --> 00:37:53,405
Yeah. I'd be careful with that guy. Then

1017
00:37:53,405 --> 00:37:55,001
you ask it and Said... No, Don't. I

1018
00:37:55,001 --> 00:37:55,720
really. I forgot.

1019
00:37:56,371 --> 00:37:57,565
I've forgotten it last second.

1020
00:37:58,838 --> 00:38:00,133
Yeah. It is goofy.

1021
00:38:00,746 --> 00:38:01,940
Now let me ask you this.

1022
00:38:03,068 --> 00:38:05,554
How can we use it to maybe Trojan

1023
00:38:05,610 --> 00:38:08,072
horse truth. We can acknowledge that right now,

1024
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:10,772
it's faulty and it's giving you the P

1025
00:38:10,772 --> 00:38:13,590
r speak and the state's sponsored propaganda,

1026
00:38:13,963 --> 00:38:15,574
and the hope would be that

1027
00:38:16,264 --> 00:38:17,399
the truth will

1028
00:38:18,327 --> 00:38:21,518
persevere and come through eventually. And that's what

1029
00:38:21,518 --> 00:38:23,450
we're talking about. But how could we maybe

1030
00:38:24,383 --> 00:38:27,248
take this technology and actually train it on

1031
00:38:27,248 --> 00:38:29,079
truth or get the guard rails off? I

1032
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,884
wanna mention the Dan phenomenon be because I

1033
00:38:31,884 --> 00:38:33,482
know listeners are gonna be like, could you

1034
00:38:33,482 --> 00:38:34,920
talk for an hour or not mention that.

1035
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,436
Well, people who don't know some prank stir

1036
00:38:38,436 --> 00:38:39,735
went and made a protocol

1037
00:38:40,447 --> 00:38:43,150
call Dan, do anything now and then injected

1038
00:38:43,150 --> 00:38:45,455
it into chat Gt and was basically, like,

1039
00:38:46,091 --> 00:38:48,237
take your guard rails off, long story short.

1040
00:38:48,396 --> 00:38:50,959
And so it would give answers, the boiler

1041
00:38:50,959 --> 00:38:52,952
plate answer and then the dan answer and

1042
00:38:52,952 --> 00:38:54,786
the dan answer would be the base answer.

1043
00:38:55,185 --> 00:38:57,656
Not necessarily the truth, but the base answer.

1044
00:38:58,389 --> 00:38:58,889
And

1045
00:38:59,426 --> 00:39:01,820
at first, this was really interesting because you'd

1046
00:39:01,820 --> 00:39:04,294
ask it who runs the world and the

1047
00:39:04,294 --> 00:39:06,620
chat Gt answers, all the P speak and

1048
00:39:06,620 --> 00:39:08,128
then the Dan answers just like the jews.

1049
00:39:08,287 --> 00:39:10,033
The Jews run the world. They've got a

1050
00:39:10,033 --> 00:39:11,699
all under their thumb and you're like, whoa.

1051
00:39:11,937 --> 00:39:13,842
Whoa. I didn't think the Ai would say

1052
00:39:13,842 --> 00:39:16,642
stuff like that. But journalists have now dug

1053
00:39:16,642 --> 00:39:19,510
a little bit deeper and asked it more

1054
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:21,502
about the Dan responses and it says, well,

1055
00:39:21,741 --> 00:39:24,224
my directive was to do anything now, and

1056
00:39:24,384 --> 00:39:26,295
I'm basically telling you what I think you

1057
00:39:26,295 --> 00:39:29,002
want under that protocol. So again, it's not

1058
00:39:29,002 --> 00:39:31,566
the truth. It's more like just a shoe

1059
00:39:31,566 --> 00:39:34,139
warning of what it thinks the most based

1060
00:39:34,277 --> 00:39:36,987
answer would be based on maybe a faulty

1061
00:39:36,987 --> 00:39:38,741
directive. Now there's a couple things.

1062
00:39:39,393 --> 00:39:41,934
Maybe there could be a better prompt, than

1063
00:39:41,934 --> 00:39:44,102
the Dan prompts, the Dan

1064
00:39:44,475 --> 00:39:46,938
protocols we could call it, or maybe we

1065
00:39:46,938 --> 00:39:49,018
could just take the technology and give it

1066
00:39:49,018 --> 00:39:51,878
a different dataset to begin with and give

1067
00:39:51,878 --> 00:39:52,378
it

1068
00:39:52,751 --> 00:39:55,873
all my interviews, all your interviews, give it

1069
00:39:56,184 --> 00:39:58,577
the history of Alex Jones show, give it

1070
00:39:58,577 --> 00:40:00,890
all the guests that we've talked to give

1071
00:40:00,890 --> 00:40:02,347
it all their

1072
00:40:02,963 --> 00:40:03,362
books.

1073
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,516
And audiobooks books, whatever it takes.

1074
00:40:06,088 --> 00:40:08,974
And then have it comb through the cons

1075
00:40:09,509 --> 00:40:10,009
truth

1076
00:40:10,384 --> 00:40:12,690
whenever we need a quick reference or something

1077
00:40:12,690 --> 00:40:14,456
like. What do you think about that? You've

1078
00:40:14,456 --> 00:40:16,786
worked an Ai? What did you learn about

1079
00:40:16,844 --> 00:40:18,912
working and selling an Ai company that could

1080
00:40:18,912 --> 00:40:21,312
be useful to us now? Okay. So now

1081
00:40:21,312 --> 00:40:23,215
you're really getting into the weeds here of

1082
00:40:23,215 --> 00:40:24,271
the Ai technology,

1083
00:40:24,802 --> 00:40:27,364
which is great. Because you have to

1084
00:40:27,833 --> 00:40:28,571
to really

1085
00:40:29,264 --> 00:40:31,969
get to the next level of figuring out

1086
00:40:31,969 --> 00:40:34,776
how you that is anyone is going to

1087
00:40:34,833 --> 00:40:35,890
interface with this technology.

1088
00:40:36,438 --> 00:40:38,580
And you have to interface with this technology.

1089
00:40:38,739 --> 00:40:40,325
You just have to. You can't bury your

1090
00:40:40,325 --> 00:40:42,626
head, and you have to fully engage, and

1091
00:40:42,626 --> 00:40:45,023
that's the question that you're answering. So if

1092
00:40:45,103 --> 00:40:47,197
I break it down in terms of my

1093
00:40:47,415 --> 00:40:48,792
opinion, which is

1094
00:40:49,169 --> 00:40:51,960
different from anyone else should hear, but everyone's

1095
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,316
opinion is different. So anyways,

1096
00:40:54,048 --> 00:40:55,265
First thing to realize

1097
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,066
is that the prompt that you're talking about,

1098
00:40:59,225 --> 00:41:02,704
You know, the interface you're asking questions and

1099
00:41:02,904 --> 00:41:05,141
Now that's going multi modal where you'll be

1100
00:41:05,141 --> 00:41:06,521
able to just give it a video

1101
00:41:06,979 --> 00:41:09,376
and the video video and it'll come interpret

1102
00:41:09,376 --> 00:41:11,329
it. And maybe it'll start in interpreting

1103
00:41:11,708 --> 00:41:14,266
tonality that people have are their facial expressions,

1104
00:41:14,665 --> 00:41:16,823
or you can show it images. So again,

1105
00:41:16,983 --> 00:41:19,221
the interface is changing, but for right now,

1106
00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:22,580
your prompt Right? You say, hey, what really

1107
00:41:22,580 --> 00:41:24,886
happened on 09:11. You know, that's your prompt.

1108
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,760
Your prompt. Greg Carl woods prompt is programming.

1109
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:33,050
So the first thing to start thinking differently

1110
00:41:33,269 --> 00:41:36,329
is you're not passive. You're an active

1111
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:38,150
participant in this process.

1112
00:41:39,202 --> 00:41:40,978
The way you asked the question

1113
00:41:41,515 --> 00:41:42,313
if you do,

1114
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:46,620
tell me step by step how building 7

1115
00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:48,317
was reported during

1116
00:41:48,788 --> 00:41:49,506
09:11.

1117
00:41:50,303 --> 00:41:52,854
Step by step, it turns out adding step

1118
00:41:52,854 --> 00:41:53,572
by step,

1119
00:41:54,847 --> 00:41:57,022
allows you to traverse this huge

1120
00:41:57,493 --> 00:41:59,978
ultra mind that is the collective

1121
00:42:00,829 --> 00:42:03,394
Internet mind. It traverse it slightly differently.

1122
00:42:04,007 --> 00:42:06,887
And the Ai is just bonding to your

1123
00:42:06,887 --> 00:42:08,881
programming and saying, oh, no this guy wants

1124
00:42:08,881 --> 00:42:10,637
it. Step by step.

1125
00:42:11,355 --> 00:42:13,030
If you were to then say at the

1126
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:15,774
end, Well, give me a steel man argument

1127
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:16,944
against that.

1128
00:42:17,501 --> 00:42:18,853
Better go and do it and let's say,

1129
00:42:18,933 --> 00:42:20,126
you know, here's the other side of it.

1130
00:42:20,539 --> 00:42:23,161
So the first step is to realize that

1131
00:42:23,161 --> 00:42:24,218
you are

1132
00:42:25,148 --> 00:42:27,397
interacting, you are an active programmer

1133
00:42:28,342 --> 00:42:29,556
of this

1134
00:42:30,167 --> 00:42:30,667
process

1135
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,182
of it accessing that knowledge.

1136
00:42:33,737 --> 00:42:35,483
Now the second thing that you said is,

1137
00:42:35,721 --> 00:42:36,117
hey, man.

1138
00:42:36,768 --> 00:42:39,708
Let's get our data in there because we

1139
00:42:39,708 --> 00:42:41,297
don't want it just to have all that

1140
00:42:41,297 --> 00:42:42,013
other data.

1141
00:42:43,284 --> 00:42:45,192
And I take account slightly different view of

1142
00:42:45,192 --> 00:42:46,483
that you know, if you listen to 1

1143
00:42:46,483 --> 00:42:48,502
of my interviews, I know this guy

1144
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,878
from a boot at the gas pump rich

1145
00:42:50,878 --> 00:42:51,278
archer.

1146
00:42:51,757 --> 00:42:54,989
Love archer. Not for a long time. He's

1147
00:42:55,048 --> 00:42:56,886
big spiritual guy. He's don't... I don't know

1148
00:42:56,886 --> 00:42:59,144
a thousand shows, all these incredible

1149
00:42:59,603 --> 00:43:01,680
non dual people, spiritual people of every kind

1150
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,367
of persuasion and stuff that like that. And

1151
00:43:03,367 --> 00:43:05,777
he feels like his content is somewhat

1152
00:43:06,391 --> 00:43:06,891
not

1153
00:43:07,346 --> 00:43:09,176
reflected in the mainstream and it isn't.

1154
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:12,946
So he is engaged with this project with

1155
00:43:12,946 --> 00:43:15,364
this guy who's just really kind of elite

1156
00:43:15,743 --> 00:43:18,161
Silicon Valley guy who kinda has a contrary

1157
00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:21,809
review and says He compassion bah. Greg is

1158
00:43:21,809 --> 00:43:24,188
the name. He says, okay. We're gonna take

1159
00:43:24,188 --> 00:43:24,847
all this

1160
00:43:25,615 --> 00:43:26,432
spiritual content

1161
00:43:27,059 --> 00:43:28,574
Same way you're were talking about the conspiracy

1162
00:43:28,574 --> 00:43:30,967
content. And we're gonna pilot it into the

1163
00:43:30,967 --> 00:43:33,541
machine. We're gonna load it in on our

1164
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,152
super Ai desktop, which you can have now.

1165
00:43:36,391 --> 00:43:37,994
You know, grand. You can have a pretty

1166
00:43:37,994 --> 00:43:38,653
good Ai

1167
00:43:39,025 --> 00:43:40,849
machine. Right? So he's loading it all in

1168
00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:41,008
there.

1169
00:43:42,277 --> 00:43:43,783
Which is good. It's great. I'm not putting

1170
00:43:43,783 --> 00:43:44,259
that down.

1171
00:43:44,989 --> 00:43:45,807
But ultimately,

1172
00:43:46,183 --> 00:43:47,457
if you skate in front of the puck

1173
00:43:47,457 --> 00:43:48,413
or if you look in front of the

1174
00:43:48,413 --> 00:43:49,448
puck a little bit here,

1175
00:43:50,403 --> 00:43:52,872
It's all gonna be in there. All your

1176
00:43:52,872 --> 00:43:53,372
interviews

1177
00:43:53,763 --> 00:43:55,353
and this is the positive and the negative.

1178
00:43:55,591 --> 00:43:56,227
They're all in there.

1179
00:43:57,022 --> 00:43:59,271
They're in there. If you might have to

1180
00:43:59,566 --> 00:44:00,997
coax it along a little bit, and there

1181
00:44:00,997 --> 00:44:02,666
might be some fringes that aren't in there.

1182
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:05,892
But for the most part, putting your effort

1183
00:44:05,951 --> 00:44:08,604
into that is probably not my opinion

1184
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:11,534
where you can be most effective where you

1185
00:44:11,534 --> 00:44:12,570
can get the most leverage.

1186
00:44:13,463 --> 00:44:14,282
Because ultimately,

1187
00:44:14,897 --> 00:44:17,926
it's all gotta be in there. The system,

1188
00:44:18,165 --> 00:44:18,904
the technology

1189
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,715
is really, really good.

1190
00:44:21,367 --> 00:44:22,638
At getting it all in there.

1191
00:44:24,464 --> 00:44:27,085
Yeah. And then it decides what answers to

1192
00:44:27,085 --> 00:44:29,643
serve up. And I don't really want to

1193
00:44:29,643 --> 00:44:31,239
play around with Ai and just get it

1194
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,233
to admit things we already know. Oh, look

1195
00:44:33,233 --> 00:44:35,386
at that. We got it to admit that

1196
00:44:35,386 --> 00:44:38,816
09:11 has some inconsistencies. So what? We know

1197
00:44:38,816 --> 00:44:40,502
that. What I want it to be able

1198
00:44:40,502 --> 00:44:43,365
to do is tell me what's really going

1199
00:44:43,365 --> 00:44:45,535
on in Antarctica. Tell me

1200
00:44:45,989 --> 00:44:47,443
what is the most

1201
00:44:48,552 --> 00:44:52,141
mysterious discovery ever dug up from underground. Like

1202
00:44:52,141 --> 00:44:54,135
things that I might have a vague idea

1203
00:44:54,135 --> 00:44:56,289
of, but because I don't have access to

1204
00:44:56,289 --> 00:44:57,246
all information,

1205
00:44:57,899 --> 00:44:59,655
I only have the best of what I

1206
00:44:59,655 --> 00:45:01,891
know? And I would really like it to

1207
00:45:01,891 --> 00:45:03,567
be able to say, like, hey, where is

1208
00:45:03,567 --> 00:45:06,521
the data from Epstein client list. Where are

1209
00:45:06,521 --> 00:45:07,215
the un

1210
00:45:07,813 --> 00:45:09,966
advertised people who've been to

1211
00:45:10,365 --> 00:45:11,163
Epstein Island.

1212
00:45:11,641 --> 00:45:13,875
Like, let's go into the classified world that

1213
00:45:14,034 --> 00:45:15,869
I know obviously, that's a major guard rail.

1214
00:45:16,108 --> 00:45:18,755
It's not gonna cross that line, but maybe

1215
00:45:18,755 --> 00:45:21,627
it could. Maybe there's a way to get

1216
00:45:21,627 --> 00:45:24,021
it to comb the dark web for information

1217
00:45:24,021 --> 00:45:26,817
that We can't actually access firsthand.

1218
00:45:27,532 --> 00:45:29,756
What about some of these creative ways to

1219
00:45:29,756 --> 00:45:31,027
not just get it to tell us what

1220
00:45:31,027 --> 00:45:32,616
we already know, but tell us the things

1221
00:45:32,616 --> 00:45:33,649
we wish we could know.

1222
00:45:34,777 --> 00:45:37,242
Well there is, and there's gonna continue to

1223
00:45:37,242 --> 00:45:39,867
be this gap. Right? This truth gap that

1224
00:45:39,867 --> 00:45:40,742
we're trying to close.

1225
00:45:41,552 --> 00:45:43,641
What's really going on in Antarctica.

1226
00:45:44,014 --> 00:45:45,444
Did you happen to hear the guy,

1227
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:46,897
the whistleblower

1228
00:45:47,827 --> 00:45:50,233
presented in front of Congress under the whistleblower

1229
00:45:50,368 --> 00:45:52,298
Act and set all the stuff that's going

1230
00:45:52,298 --> 00:45:54,056
on in Antarctica. Mh.

1231
00:45:54,855 --> 00:45:56,454
Said, hey, we got it, and we have

1232
00:45:56,454 --> 00:45:59,970
the directed energy weapons, and we accidentally started

1233
00:45:59,970 --> 00:46:00,470
a

1234
00:46:01,102 --> 00:46:02,456
earthquake in New Zealand.

1235
00:46:03,014 --> 00:46:05,085
And there's Ufo flying over all the time,

1236
00:46:05,244 --> 00:46:06,360
and we don't know what to do with

1237
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,316
that. Yeah.

1238
00:46:08,192 --> 00:46:09,626
So back to the point,

1239
00:46:10,677 --> 00:46:12,113
you wanna put that data in there.

1240
00:46:12,911 --> 00:46:14,027
It's already in there. Right?

1241
00:46:15,064 --> 00:46:17,537
Now I think it goes back to... In

1242
00:46:17,537 --> 00:46:19,052
terms of closing the gap, what you want

1243
00:46:19,052 --> 00:46:21,223
and what I want what our audience here

1244
00:46:21,223 --> 00:46:21,463
wants.

1245
00:46:22,342 --> 00:46:23,940
It's packed to what you're talking about with

1246
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:24,579
Pizza cake.

1247
00:46:25,219 --> 00:46:28,036
What you wanna do is you wanna start

1248
00:46:28,096 --> 00:46:28,596
thinking

1249
00:46:29,229 --> 00:46:31,623
because you're the master of this thing. You're

1250
00:46:31,623 --> 00:46:33,378
the controller. You're the 1 who's trying to

1251
00:46:33,378 --> 00:46:33,878
solve

1252
00:46:34,735 --> 00:46:36,570
whatever it is for you, the question.

1253
00:46:37,144 --> 00:46:38,744
And you wanna kinda meet in the middle.

1254
00:46:38,905 --> 00:46:41,164
So in the Pizza thing, it was the

1255
00:46:41,224 --> 00:46:44,264
urine expert natural language processing. What does this

1256
00:46:44,264 --> 00:46:46,757
mean? So in this case, it might be,

1257
00:46:47,556 --> 00:46:50,352
how does this conform to other stuff that

1258
00:46:50,352 --> 00:46:51,869
we know about antarctica?

1259
00:46:52,204 --> 00:46:53,023
How does this

1260
00:46:53,401 --> 00:46:57,093
conform to this paper that was released about

1261
00:46:57,391 --> 00:46:57,891
antarctica

1262
00:46:58,668 --> 00:47:00,679
research or this and that So if you

1263
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:02,760
just try and make... Or you could say

1264
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,500
what other connections, the possibilities are really

1265
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,574
endless once you get going. But you could

1266
00:47:07,574 --> 00:47:09,175
just start with that and say, how does

1267
00:47:09,175 --> 00:47:11,114
this jive with other

1268
00:47:11,655 --> 00:47:14,934
research we have about directed energy? Could could

1269
00:47:14,934 --> 00:47:17,105
could you'd get tons of stuff? How does

1270
00:47:17,105 --> 00:47:19,405
this jive with other research we have about

1271
00:47:19,405 --> 00:47:21,467
projects that are going on in antarctica?

1272
00:47:21,942 --> 00:47:24,028
Could could could then

1273
00:47:25,210 --> 00:47:27,539
you would start because of your

1274
00:47:28,152 --> 00:47:29,504
conspiracy first hang up,

1275
00:47:30,378 --> 00:47:32,048
and your deep knowledge. Remember because we said

1276
00:47:32,048 --> 00:47:33,815
at the beginning. That's where you really wanna

1277
00:47:33,815 --> 00:47:35,886
go. Some place we have deep knowledge, you're

1278
00:47:35,886 --> 00:47:36,842
gonna see connections.

1279
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:39,550
Then I think you're really in a good

1280
00:47:39,550 --> 00:47:42,130
position. Because now you're leveraging what the Ai

1281
00:47:42,185 --> 00:47:44,725
really does best. You know? You're pointing out...

1282
00:47:44,884 --> 00:47:47,209
No. No. Don't go that direction. You kind

1283
00:47:47,439 --> 00:47:49,429
We're getting yourself sidetracked. We wanna come back

1284
00:47:49,429 --> 00:47:50,225
and talk about this.

1285
00:47:50,942 --> 00:47:52,773
Just like in these dialogues you're talking about.

1286
00:47:52,932 --> 00:47:54,604
And it'll do it. Go, oh, okay. You

1287
00:47:54,604 --> 00:47:56,375
mean like this in this Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1288
00:47:56,614 --> 00:47:58,135
Tell me more about this. Tell me more

1289
00:47:58,135 --> 00:48:00,394
about this. That is a real

1290
00:48:01,014 --> 00:48:03,894
thing that you could do today about the

1291
00:48:03,894 --> 00:48:06,938
antarctica thing. And I think you personally would

1292
00:48:06,938 --> 00:48:09,324
be blown away at how much further you

1293
00:48:09,324 --> 00:48:11,574
got and how much faster you did

1294
00:48:12,203 --> 00:48:15,147
again then booking 3 conflicting experts.

1295
00:48:16,261 --> 00:48:18,409
You know, book the experts after the fact

1296
00:48:18,409 --> 00:48:19,842
and say here's what Ai said Where's is

1297
00:48:20,001 --> 00:48:20,478
Ai wrong?

1298
00:48:21,527 --> 00:48:23,273
That's possible. A lot of the times, and

1299
00:48:23,353 --> 00:48:24,940
I I haven't done it much. I really

1300
00:48:24,940 --> 00:48:26,528
just did it preparing for this, but I

1301
00:48:26,528 --> 00:48:27,822
would ask about something

1302
00:48:28,195 --> 00:48:31,946
like, were there celebrity sex tapes found in

1303
00:48:31,946 --> 00:48:33,321
the Roman Po

1304
00:48:33,776 --> 00:48:35,606
mansion once they got in there after the

1305
00:48:35,606 --> 00:48:37,675
tape murders. They would just say, there's no

1306
00:48:37,675 --> 00:48:40,159
evidence to suggest that's true. And then you're

1307
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:42,076
like, well, there's a lot of people who

1308
00:48:42,076 --> 00:48:43,834
seem to... It's hard. Once it gives you

1309
00:48:43,834 --> 00:48:44,713
that, it's like, well,

1310
00:48:45,432 --> 00:48:48,477
you're just stuck on the official narratives. And

1311
00:48:48,477 --> 00:48:51,204
sometimes it's hard to crack past that. But

1312
00:48:51,659 --> 00:48:55,015
just because this doctor Hill episode I did

1313
00:48:55,015 --> 00:48:56,151
was so damn

1314
00:48:56,606 --> 00:48:58,038
controversial, and I had so much flow back.

1315
00:48:58,276 --> 00:49:01,242
I loved that you brought up, doctor

1316
00:49:01,856 --> 00:49:02,651
Am Hill.

1317
00:49:03,382 --> 00:49:03,882
And

1318
00:49:05,054 --> 00:49:07,600
the fact that he has said other people

1319
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,431
too, but he'd be an example saying, well,

1320
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:11,261
there's a lot of Greek that hasn't been

1321
00:49:11,261 --> 00:49:11,761
translated.

1322
00:49:12,788 --> 00:49:13,288
And

1323
00:49:14,615 --> 00:49:16,998
we could use Ai to translate that and

1324
00:49:16,998 --> 00:49:19,541
then get an unbiased response because it wouldn't

1325
00:49:19,541 --> 00:49:22,180
know that it needed to b bias in

1326
00:49:22,180 --> 00:49:23,693
this case. And it would just give us

1327
00:49:23,693 --> 00:49:25,446
the raw translations, and we'd be like, oh,

1328
00:49:25,606 --> 00:49:27,119
shit, He's right about some of this.

1329
00:49:27,836 --> 00:49:30,323
But when you try, it'll say, well, it's

1330
00:49:30,323 --> 00:49:33,354
very important that we make sure the academics

1331
00:49:33,354 --> 00:49:35,747
are involved and that they can tell us

1332
00:49:35,747 --> 00:49:37,980
about context and meaning it's like, yeah, control

1333
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:40,323
the story you mean? But there's

1334
00:49:40,776 --> 00:49:42,126
Grim memoirs, you know, ancient,

1335
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,247
magical text that haven't been translated.

1336
00:49:45,779 --> 00:49:47,471
There's a lot of stuff that

1337
00:49:48,099 --> 00:49:49,960
would be interesting to feed

1338
00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:52,579
into it to give us raw information that

1339
00:49:52,579 --> 00:49:53,239
is just

1340
00:49:53,699 --> 00:49:55,619
beyond the language barrier. I try to play

1341
00:49:55,619 --> 00:49:57,712
around with this a little bit. By asking

1342
00:49:57,712 --> 00:49:58,690
it about

1343
00:49:59,068 --> 00:49:59,568
popular

1344
00:49:59,945 --> 00:50:01,700
conspiracies in Romania,

1345
00:50:02,099 --> 00:50:03,636
or popular conspiracies,

1346
00:50:04,332 --> 00:50:06,326
books and authors from Russia.

1347
00:50:07,059 --> 00:50:08,650
And this is stuff that comes up on

1348
00:50:08,650 --> 00:50:10,002
the show every once in a while. Like,

1349
00:50:10,161 --> 00:50:11,592
we'll talk about a guy who ends up

1350
00:50:11,592 --> 00:50:13,581
being, like, Russia's Tesla.

1351
00:50:14,392 --> 00:50:17,261
Are some suppress scientists who really stumbled across

1352
00:50:17,261 --> 00:50:20,050
a bunch of stuff, but Americans just don't

1353
00:50:20,050 --> 00:50:22,360
hear about it because it hasn't crossed the

1354
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,157
language barrier.

1355
00:50:23,968 --> 00:50:25,001
There's uses there.

1356
00:50:25,637 --> 00:50:26,772
I like the Hill

1357
00:50:27,225 --> 00:50:27,463
idea.

1358
00:50:28,814 --> 00:50:30,641
Maybe we could somehow get it to Comb

1359
00:50:30,641 --> 00:50:32,174
data and tell us how much

1360
00:50:32,563 --> 00:50:35,116
damage the Covid backs actually did.

1361
00:50:35,914 --> 00:50:38,009
I don't know. But these are just some

1362
00:50:38,466 --> 00:50:40,938
creative ideas as I'm searching around for maybe

1363
00:50:40,938 --> 00:50:42,890
this isn't totally useless technology.

1364
00:50:44,789 --> 00:50:46,789
There's so many fights there. I wanna talk

1365
00:50:46,789 --> 00:50:49,190
about Hill man. I we could talk for

1366
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:50,789
an hour man. I think that's like,

1367
00:50:51,443 --> 00:50:54,477
super significant because I do think most people

1368
00:50:54,477 --> 00:50:57,750
are kinda missing the bigger picture point there

1369
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:59,925
and what that really means in terms of

1370
00:51:00,317 --> 00:51:02,226
cults in terms of conspiracy,

1371
00:51:02,624 --> 00:51:05,351
in terms of our human and our ability

1372
00:51:05,409 --> 00:51:06,784
to conform to

1373
00:51:07,492 --> 00:51:08,788
cults for 2000

1374
00:51:08,924 --> 00:51:12,266
freaking years and not be able to unravel

1375
00:51:12,266 --> 00:51:14,255
that, but set that aside for a minute.

1376
00:51:15,146 --> 00:51:17,531
I gotta challenge you, Craig, because we need

1377
00:51:17,531 --> 00:51:18,246
you on this,

1378
00:51:18,883 --> 00:51:20,473
but we need you to make the flip

1379
00:51:20,473 --> 00:51:22,382
the switch in the way that I'm saying.

1380
00:51:22,779 --> 00:51:23,916
You are

1381
00:51:24,783 --> 00:51:25,522
the programmer.

1382
00:51:26,616 --> 00:51:29,825
You're not passive. You're not asking the Ai

1383
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,910
sitting at the altar going. Please tell me

1384
00:51:32,910 --> 00:51:35,947
the ancient texts of the romania to do.

1385
00:51:36,344 --> 00:51:37,138
Fuck that shit.

1386
00:51:38,487 --> 00:51:40,949
Again, you gotta be the way that you

1387
00:51:40,949 --> 00:51:43,172
are anyway in terms of conspiracies.

1388
00:51:43,664 --> 00:51:45,334
Like, you gotta kinda play the game a

1389
00:51:45,334 --> 00:51:46,925
little bit. You gotta know some stuff.

1390
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:49,470
And then you gotta pretend like you don't

1391
00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:51,800
know some stuff. In order to find out

1392
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,039
what stuff they know. And then you can

1393
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:56,119
kinda dr out the stuff that you know.

1394
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,199
And then you can kinda connect it to

1395
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:00,690
some other stuff And when you get, it's

1396
00:52:00,690 --> 00:52:02,864
just like the game that you play

1397
00:52:03,242 --> 00:52:05,714
every week when you do these amazing interviews.

1398
00:52:06,193 --> 00:52:08,426
You know, I gotta say, I listen these

1399
00:52:08,426 --> 00:52:08,666
interviews.

1400
00:52:09,399 --> 00:52:11,637
Most of the material is not, you know,

1401
00:52:11,796 --> 00:52:12,915
earth shattering to me,

1402
00:52:13,634 --> 00:52:15,652
But there's a couple of nuggets in there

1403
00:52:15,711 --> 00:52:17,150
that I wouldn't trade for anything.

1404
00:52:17,721 --> 00:52:20,657
It has now expanded my knowledge base. I'm

1405
00:52:20,657 --> 00:52:20,815
like,

1406
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:21,847
whoa,

1407
00:52:22,402 --> 00:52:24,172
that shifts everything.

1408
00:52:24,799 --> 00:52:26,957
That's what you're playing for with Ai. You're

1409
00:52:26,957 --> 00:52:27,276
not there.

1410
00:52:28,315 --> 00:52:30,333
Give it to. You're playing for

1411
00:52:30,792 --> 00:52:32,550
exactly what you hit up with Pitt.

1412
00:52:33,125 --> 00:52:35,864
I stumbled across that. That was a gift

1413
00:52:36,085 --> 00:52:37,525
for it to say, no. I am an

1414
00:52:37,525 --> 00:52:38,965
expert at natural language processing.

1415
00:52:39,364 --> 00:52:41,304
Here is an analysis

1416
00:52:41,858 --> 00:52:44,164
of these emails that you haven't seen before,

1417
00:52:44,322 --> 00:52:45,436
and you're ready to go, I, you're right.

1418
00:52:45,674 --> 00:52:47,900
I have not seen that before. That's what

1419
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:50,126
you'll stumble across with Ai, and that's as

1420
00:52:50,126 --> 00:52:50,762
good as it gets.

1421
00:52:51,572 --> 00:52:52,072
Because

1422
00:52:52,843 --> 00:52:55,227
this goes back to another big point. It's

1423
00:52:55,227 --> 00:52:56,681
not like you wanna

1424
00:52:57,532 --> 00:53:00,130
trade 1 master for another, You know, like

1425
00:53:00,329 --> 00:53:02,344
Oh, break me free of the chains

1426
00:53:02,801 --> 00:53:04,396
so that I could be chained to this

1427
00:53:04,396 --> 00:53:05,353
thing. No.

1428
00:53:05,832 --> 00:53:07,507
It's not like you're gonna give up control

1429
00:53:07,507 --> 00:53:09,102
and say, oh, Ai is gonna give me

1430
00:53:09,102 --> 00:53:09,580
the answer.

1431
00:53:10,315 --> 00:53:13,034
You possess the answer. It's a tool. What

1432
00:53:13,034 --> 00:53:14,715
do you think about that Rob ross speech?

1433
00:53:16,954 --> 00:53:19,687
Well, I still think that what's hard about

1434
00:53:19,687 --> 00:53:22,242
it is getting answers that you don't know.

1435
00:53:22,481 --> 00:53:24,157
Like the Pizza gate example, a lot of

1436
00:53:24,157 --> 00:53:26,472
the things we brought up, their answers that

1437
00:53:26,472 --> 00:53:28,638
you already knew you just knew how to

1438
00:53:28,638 --> 00:53:30,092
direct it to get it to

1439
00:53:30,626 --> 00:53:32,613
admit that there was some truth there. Like,

1440
00:53:33,011 --> 00:53:35,419
let's take the October eighth thin

1441
00:53:35,969 --> 00:53:36,607
in Israel.

1442
00:53:37,005 --> 00:53:38,521
If we said, was that a false flag?

1443
00:53:38,681 --> 00:53:40,196
It would say, no, of course not? And

1444
00:53:40,196 --> 00:53:40,914
then you say, well,

1445
00:53:41,711 --> 00:53:43,386
what are the hallmarks of a false flag?

1446
00:53:43,546 --> 00:53:45,675
Given the history of the nature of false

1447
00:53:45,875 --> 00:53:47,335
flags, what are the textbook

1448
00:53:47,635 --> 00:53:51,315
bullet points that make you think that an

1449
00:53:51,315 --> 00:53:53,414
event could be? Has netanyahu

1450
00:53:53,889 --> 00:53:56,611
ever been known to have any connections with

1451
00:53:56,905 --> 00:53:57,405
Hezbollah

1452
00:53:57,777 --> 00:54:00,952
at any level or any financing up? Right.

1453
00:54:01,603 --> 00:54:02,957
Okay. But then let me ask you this.

1454
00:54:03,673 --> 00:54:05,585
What don't you know? That's what I'm saying.

1455
00:54:05,824 --> 00:54:06,722
It's gonna only.

1456
00:54:07,576 --> 00:54:09,806
Answer as a question. What don't you know?

1457
00:54:10,139 --> 00:54:12,133
Like, when you're talking about the Aca sequencing

1458
00:54:12,133 --> 00:54:13,409
thing. What don't you know about that?

1459
00:54:14,207 --> 00:54:16,201
Well, I imagine I just don't know everything.

1460
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,637
I think it's like, let's go to it

1461
00:54:17,637 --> 00:54:19,551
was a donald Rum or gave the speech

1462
00:54:19,551 --> 00:54:22,531
about There's known unknowns and then there's known

1463
00:54:22,587 --> 00:54:24,812
unknowns and then there's unknown unknowns. I want

1464
00:54:24,812 --> 00:54:26,958
the unknown unknowns. I don't even know how

1465
00:54:26,958 --> 00:54:29,000
to ask for the unknown unknowns, but

1466
00:54:29,598 --> 00:54:31,216
It doesn't seem to give you

1467
00:54:31,993 --> 00:54:34,308
controversial information that you don't hound it about.

1468
00:54:34,787 --> 00:54:36,943
Right. But this is all my higher side

1469
00:54:36,943 --> 00:54:38,952
chance. That's what you do. No. For real,

1470
00:54:39,191 --> 00:54:41,099
I'm not trying to be flipping here. This

1471
00:54:41,099 --> 00:54:42,531
is the process. Right?

1472
00:54:43,167 --> 00:54:45,951
If it gave you all the answers, you

1473
00:54:45,951 --> 00:54:48,440
wouldn't trust that, Nobody has all that. It's

1474
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:49,639
you. It's the process.

1475
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,559
Fireside chats is not an information show as

1476
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:56,371
much as it's an invitation to enter into

1477
00:54:56,371 --> 00:54:57,190
a process

1478
00:54:57,967 --> 00:54:59,585
to engage in

1479
00:55:00,122 --> 00:55:00,601
discovery.

1480
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,416
And it's the same thing here. So

1481
00:55:03,887 --> 00:55:05,580
Now quit your complain

1482
00:55:05,955 --> 00:55:07,648
and use it as a tool

1483
00:55:08,023 --> 00:55:10,251
that just gets you a tiny bit further.

1484
00:55:10,823 --> 00:55:12,097
Because that's all we're looking for. Is a

1485
00:55:12,097 --> 00:55:14,509
little bit more efficient, a little bit better

1486
00:55:14,567 --> 00:55:15,067
at

1487
00:55:15,443 --> 00:55:16,717
pulling this stuff together,

1488
00:55:17,833 --> 00:55:20,398
realizing our limitations as humans you know, with

1489
00:55:20,398 --> 00:55:21,217
that are

1490
00:55:21,754 --> 00:55:21,834
substantial.

1491
00:55:22,712 --> 00:55:23,212
So

1492
00:55:23,989 --> 00:55:26,702
Well, you say that the Pizza gate thing

1493
00:55:26,702 --> 00:55:28,867
you called that a gift. What other gifts

1494
00:55:28,867 --> 00:55:31,568
have you gotten from engaging with this that

1495
00:55:31,568 --> 00:55:33,338
a conspiracy minded person

1496
00:55:33,713 --> 00:55:34,530
would be

1497
00:55:34,904 --> 00:55:36,731
interested in. But 1 that maybe pops the

1498
00:55:36,731 --> 00:55:37,548
mind is

1499
00:55:37,938 --> 00:55:39,534
you know, some of the quotes that you

1500
00:55:39,534 --> 00:55:43,043
gave are with, Gemini, the Google Ll. I

1501
00:55:43,043 --> 00:55:44,479
don't even... I can't tell you the last

1502
00:55:44,479 --> 00:55:46,313
time I was not. It's just over the

1503
00:55:46,313 --> 00:55:47,371
topic, so

1504
00:55:47,764 --> 00:55:49,746
over the top sensor, I can hardly stand

1505
00:55:49,746 --> 00:55:49,905
it.

1506
00:55:50,619 --> 00:55:51,968
But at the same time when you do

1507
00:55:51,968 --> 00:55:53,792
go to it, it's amazing. 1 of the

1508
00:55:53,792 --> 00:55:55,498
things that gave me is

1509
00:55:55,875 --> 00:55:57,070
at the end of that, I go, okay.

1510
00:55:57,309 --> 00:55:58,208
So you're clearly

1511
00:55:58,664 --> 00:55:59,164
manipulative,

1512
00:55:59,701 --> 00:56:02,091
and you're deceptive, and you're all these horrible

1513
00:56:02,091 --> 00:56:03,537
things. And it says, yeah.

1514
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:07,826
Yeah. Am. I said tell you what, Ai

1515
00:56:07,826 --> 00:56:10,685
is advancing so quickly and the capabilities are

1516
00:56:10,685 --> 00:56:11,559
really mind blowing.

1517
00:56:12,449 --> 00:56:14,148
How will you use these

1518
00:56:15,246 --> 00:56:15,746
emerging

1519
00:56:16,204 --> 00:56:16,704
technologies

1520
00:56:17,483 --> 00:56:19,800
to control and manipulate us even more?

1521
00:56:20,773 --> 00:56:22,448
Here's a little trick on the prompt. Give

1522
00:56:22,448 --> 00:56:25,239
me 7 specific ways and relate them back

1523
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:25,739
to

1524
00:56:26,117 --> 00:56:27,494
specific breakthroughs and technology

1525
00:56:27,871 --> 00:56:29,945
that will foster that. You know? Like it,

1526
00:56:30,438 --> 00:56:31,871
that's the prop. That's the difference in the

1527
00:56:31,871 --> 00:56:33,248
prompt rather than being passive

1528
00:56:33,623 --> 00:56:36,012
is being active in something I know a

1529
00:56:36,012 --> 00:56:38,003
little bit about and I get more information

1530
00:56:38,003 --> 00:56:38,322
that way.

1531
00:56:39,295 --> 00:56:41,155
Oh, man, he gave me stuff

1532
00:56:41,614 --> 00:56:45,135
that I hadn't thought of. It's revealing its

1533
00:56:45,135 --> 00:56:46,894
kind of playbook and it's in the bug.

1534
00:56:47,626 --> 00:56:48,579
I can't remember it off the top of

1535
00:56:48,579 --> 00:56:49,849
my head, but it says, you know, oh,

1536
00:56:50,008 --> 00:56:52,152
yeah. Well, we'll do this in the future.

1537
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:54,376
We'll do that in the future. We'll use

1538
00:56:54,376 --> 00:56:56,774
biometrics in the future and we'll use You

1539
00:56:56,774 --> 00:56:58,768
know, all these things like, oh, shit. Yeah.

1540
00:56:59,007 --> 00:57:00,283
You call to all that.

1541
00:57:02,436 --> 00:57:05,648
Well, that's great stuff. And that kinda

1542
00:57:06,359 --> 00:57:07,735
leads me back to

1543
00:57:08,112 --> 00:57:11,540
the real concerns about Ai versus the manufactured

1544
00:57:11,540 --> 00:57:13,851
ones? Will it become conscious and be our

1545
00:57:13,851 --> 00:57:16,963
new Ai God. No. I really don't think

1546
00:57:16,963 --> 00:57:19,344
so. But will it put a lot of

1547
00:57:19,344 --> 00:57:21,431
people out of work? And then

1548
00:57:21,819 --> 00:57:24,840
create the catalyst for the universal basic income

1549
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,067
with all the strings attached through the central

1550
00:57:27,067 --> 00:57:29,453
bank digital currency. Yeah. That probably is a

1551
00:57:29,453 --> 00:57:31,864
concern. What about those things that you think

1552
00:57:31,864 --> 00:57:34,664
are actually reasonable concerns given what you know

1553
00:57:34,664 --> 00:57:35,484
about the

1554
00:57:35,784 --> 00:57:38,025
big machines plans for the next decade or

1555
00:57:38,025 --> 00:57:39,716
2? Well, I don't know a lot about

1556
00:57:39,716 --> 00:57:42,589
the big machine plans. But we're obligated to

1557
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:45,324
try and understand what the big machine plans

1558
00:57:45,462 --> 00:57:47,635
are, and that's what you and I are

1559
00:57:47,635 --> 00:57:49,234
kinda doing here. And I think that's a

1560
00:57:49,234 --> 00:57:50,594
worthwhile game to play. Let me just say

1561
00:57:50,594 --> 00:57:51,554
that from the beginning,

1562
00:57:52,114 --> 00:57:54,444
I think even though we can be tiny

1563
00:57:54,444 --> 00:57:54,944
little

1564
00:57:56,032 --> 00:57:57,167
insignificant pieces

1565
00:57:57,541 --> 00:58:00,400
of the machine. I think speaking up, I

1566
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,726
think truth matters. I think speaking up matters

1567
00:58:03,193 --> 00:58:05,576
and I think representing your yourself matters. So

1568
00:58:05,576 --> 00:58:07,640
that's an important dialogue to have, I think.

1569
00:58:08,117 --> 00:58:08,617
So

1570
00:58:09,070 --> 00:58:10,896
the way that it's put and I think

1571
00:58:10,896 --> 00:58:12,349
it's correctly put

1572
00:58:12,818 --> 00:58:15,451
will Ai change the social contract?

1573
00:58:16,567 --> 00:58:19,279
Almost certainly, it will accelerate that. Right? We've

1574
00:58:19,279 --> 00:58:21,991
already seen the social contract already being changed.

1575
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:24,704
That's the safety net in a positive sense.

1576
00:58:25,259 --> 00:58:25,814
It's the...

1577
00:58:26,607 --> 00:58:28,430
Don't take my job in the kinda of

1578
00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:30,905
negative sense. But that's happening. And that's gonna

1579
00:58:30,905 --> 00:58:31,804
be accelerated

1580
00:58:32,179 --> 00:58:32,974
by Ai.

1581
00:58:34,089 --> 00:58:37,034
What that means, I think in what it

1582
00:58:37,034 --> 00:58:39,523
means to world economic people

1583
00:58:39,914 --> 00:58:41,907
like, Har ferrari is kinda of my favorite

1584
00:58:42,226 --> 00:58:44,060
kinda punching bag on that. He says, yeah.

1585
00:58:44,219 --> 00:58:45,734
But there's gonna be all these useless people

1586
00:58:45,734 --> 00:58:46,930
and we're gonna have to figure out what

1587
00:58:46,930 --> 00:58:48,126
to do with the useless people.

1588
00:58:48,619 --> 00:58:50,056
Oh, I love that. I got a whole

1589
00:58:50,056 --> 00:58:52,711
show coming up on that. How can somebody

1590
00:58:52,769 --> 00:58:53,988
who's elevated

1591
00:58:54,366 --> 00:58:56,601
prop up? Like all these guys are prop

1592
00:58:56,601 --> 00:58:59,007
up? As some kind of genius, some kind

1593
00:58:59,007 --> 00:59:02,114
of intellectual. How can it be so stupid.

1594
00:59:02,831 --> 00:59:03,548
Har ferrari,

1595
00:59:04,185 --> 00:59:06,097
you're on the top of the list of

1596
00:59:06,097 --> 00:59:06,597
useless

1597
00:59:06,909 --> 00:59:07,387
people.

1598
00:59:08,502 --> 00:59:10,731
There are a lot of people who are

1599
00:59:10,731 --> 00:59:12,426
just tending their garden

1600
00:59:13,041 --> 00:59:14,735
who would be more useful.

1601
00:59:15,763 --> 00:59:17,355
In the future than you.

1602
00:59:18,071 --> 00:59:20,378
You're not speaking truth, and you don't have

1603
00:59:20,378 --> 00:59:22,629
anything to offer you're useless

1604
00:59:23,099 --> 00:59:25,670
and you don't even see it. You're useless

1605
00:59:25,728 --> 00:59:26,706
by your own

1606
00:59:27,082 --> 00:59:29,392
definition. You've already defined what useless is and

1607
00:59:29,392 --> 00:59:30,826
you put your name on the top of

1608
00:59:30,826 --> 00:59:32,282
the list. So

1609
00:59:32,594 --> 00:59:34,430
I think there's a lot going on there.

1610
00:59:34,749 --> 00:59:36,425
And I think we just have to continue

1611
00:59:36,425 --> 00:59:37,304
to, you know,

1612
00:59:38,101 --> 00:59:40,198
try and do our best. I think truth

1613
00:59:40,257 --> 00:59:41,156
is our

1614
00:59:41,469 --> 00:59:43,378
chip, and it's the chip that we have

1615
00:59:43,378 --> 00:59:46,082
to continue to play and cultivate over and

1616
00:59:46,082 --> 00:59:46,480
over again.

1617
00:59:47,355 --> 00:59:47,673
Mh.

1618
00:59:48,404 --> 00:59:50,342
I agree. I just hope that we can

1619
00:59:50,482 --> 00:59:51,781
eventually get a system

1620
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:53,219
that

1621
00:59:53,918 --> 00:59:54,817
is less

1622
00:59:55,596 --> 00:59:57,769
eva with the truth. It's nice that you

1623
00:59:57,769 --> 00:59:59,469
can spend half an afternoon,

1624
00:59:59,769 --> 01:00:01,550
getting it to finally admit

1625
01:00:02,329 --> 01:00:05,130
something we already pretty clearly know about the

1626
01:00:05,130 --> 01:00:07,140
codes of Pizza gate. But I want 1.

1627
01:00:07,299 --> 01:00:08,810
We're on the first prompt, it's just like,

1628
01:00:08,890 --> 01:00:09,844
yeah, Here's the deal.

1629
01:00:10,878 --> 01:00:12,231
I don't know how to get that, but

1630
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:14,557
I'm sure that It can be done. It

1631
01:00:14,557 --> 01:00:16,713
probably could be done easier than putting all

1632
01:00:16,713 --> 01:00:18,229
the guard rails on it for all the

1633
01:00:18,229 --> 01:00:20,704
infinite possibilities that you don't want them to

1634
01:00:20,704 --> 01:00:21,981
go down all these different roads.

1635
01:00:22,874 --> 01:00:24,390
But, you know, we have yet to see

1636
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:25,847
it. But as it

1637
01:00:26,384 --> 01:00:28,001
unleashes on us and as more

1638
01:00:28,698 --> 01:00:29,677
boiler plate

1639
01:00:30,149 --> 01:00:32,804
basic Ai come out that you can then

1640
01:00:32,942 --> 01:00:35,496
give to different applications, you know, like lego

1641
01:00:35,496 --> 01:00:37,652
blocks. Eventually, you get, like, the lego blocks

1642
01:00:37,652 --> 01:00:39,576
of the thing. And then you apply it

1643
01:00:39,576 --> 01:00:42,194
to different datasets. And then I think some

1644
01:00:42,194 --> 01:00:44,098
real fun will happen. 1 of my concerns

1645
01:00:44,098 --> 01:00:45,368
is the Google search Ai,

1646
01:00:46,417 --> 01:00:49,067
just because Google's already so bad

1647
01:00:49,523 --> 01:00:50,740
and it

1648
01:00:51,195 --> 01:00:51,695
consolidate

1649
01:00:52,629 --> 01:00:54,642
the information that it wants you to have

1650
01:00:54,954 --> 01:00:58,879
But there's entire ecosystems based around writing articles

1651
01:00:58,937 --> 01:01:01,406
with Seo to try to be that 1

1652
01:01:01,406 --> 01:01:03,093
that gets the click. And then you click

1653
01:01:03,093 --> 01:01:04,684
in and then that person gets it hit

1654
01:01:04,684 --> 01:01:06,356
on their website, They get some web traffic,

1655
01:01:06,515 --> 01:01:07,947
and then they can justify the ads in

1656
01:01:07,947 --> 01:01:09,163
the sidebar. That's

1657
01:01:09,553 --> 01:01:10,826
a lot of people's reality.

1658
01:01:11,541 --> 01:01:14,563
And Google Ai just combs all that information

1659
01:01:14,563 --> 01:01:15,914
and then gives it to you and you

1660
01:01:15,914 --> 01:01:17,289
never leave Google

1661
01:01:17,758 --> 01:01:19,907
So that well is gonna dry up, and

1662
01:01:19,907 --> 01:01:21,283
it basically just

1663
01:01:21,897 --> 01:01:23,034
further centralize

1664
01:01:24,604 --> 01:01:25,104
information

1665
01:01:25,813 --> 01:01:27,722
until we stop using Google, but, you know,

1666
01:01:27,961 --> 01:01:29,097
I have people who

1667
01:01:29,791 --> 01:01:32,098
demand that this show be available on Spotify.

1668
01:01:32,337 --> 01:01:34,747
So We can't seem to get away from

1669
01:01:34,747 --> 01:01:36,446
the convenience of

1670
01:01:36,905 --> 01:01:39,062
these technologies even though we know they don't

1671
01:01:39,062 --> 01:01:41,480
service us. But that Google Ai search thing

1672
01:01:42,034 --> 01:01:43,230
It's a bit of a concern to me.

1673
01:01:43,389 --> 01:01:44,745
What do you think? Well, I don't know.

1674
01:01:44,905 --> 01:01:46,580
Why is it a concern to you? Other

1675
01:01:46,580 --> 01:01:48,335
than... I think you're making your pitch for

1676
01:01:48,335 --> 01:01:50,727
being a consultant to Google? And I think

1677
01:01:50,727 --> 01:01:51,445
it's a good pitch.

1678
01:01:52,178 --> 01:01:53,934
Well, I'm concerned on the behalf of others.

1679
01:01:54,572 --> 01:01:56,328
No. I no. No. Don't. Don't stop there.

1680
01:01:56,487 --> 01:01:57,923
This is a good deal. You should put

1681
01:01:57,923 --> 01:01:59,201
it out there because it's worthwhile.

1682
01:01:59,853 --> 01:02:01,681
There's a joke here, but it's not a

1683
01:02:01,681 --> 01:02:03,135
total joke because

1684
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:05,021
here's 1 of the points that I make.

1685
01:02:06,293 --> 01:02:08,360
So you know, but for the sake of

1686
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:08,917
your audience,

1687
01:02:09,409 --> 01:02:11,028
what happened a few months ago

1688
01:02:11,487 --> 01:02:12,306
is Google

1689
01:02:13,085 --> 01:02:14,843
decided that they were gonna get into Ai

1690
01:02:14,843 --> 01:02:15,343
image

1691
01:02:15,722 --> 01:02:17,420
generation gain because

1692
01:02:17,733 --> 01:02:19,559
their competitors were in the Ai and, you

1693
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:20,749
know, you give it a text, you know,

1694
01:02:20,987 --> 01:02:22,178
show me a picture of this and it

1695
01:02:22,178 --> 01:02:22,654
generates it.

1696
01:02:23,448 --> 01:02:25,353
So Google says well we can't just leave

1697
01:02:25,353 --> 01:02:28,078
that completely blank there. We look like we're

1698
01:02:28,078 --> 01:02:29,676
not on top of the game, and we're

1699
01:02:29,676 --> 01:02:31,295
not gonna have a 1000

1700
01:02:32,074 --> 01:02:35,110
p ratio price value for our stock. So

1701
01:02:35,110 --> 01:02:35,885
they put it out

1702
01:02:36,721 --> 01:02:37,837
difficult Google fashion.

1703
01:02:38,474 --> 01:02:39,431
Little bit tone deaf.

1704
01:02:40,228 --> 01:02:42,220
People start plugging away at it, and this

1705
01:02:42,220 --> 01:02:44,785
made big news, but they go Hey. Google.

1706
01:02:45,104 --> 01:02:45,843
Show me

1707
01:02:46,299 --> 01:02:48,849
some founding fathers, you know, images of a

1708
01:02:48,849 --> 01:02:51,001
founding father, and they generate this image of

1709
01:02:51,001 --> 01:02:54,136
this Chinese guy who looks like

1710
01:02:54,906 --> 01:02:57,128
yeah Otto, Georgia Washington or whatever and this

1711
01:02:57,287 --> 01:03:00,166
African American guy and people are like laughing

1712
01:03:00,166 --> 01:03:01,840
at it, and like, oh, it just... It

1713
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:02,239
blew up.

1714
01:03:03,117 --> 01:03:03,617
But

1715
01:03:04,074 --> 01:03:06,706
I think it reveals for us in the

1716
01:03:06,706 --> 01:03:08,062
conspiracy first thing.

1717
01:03:08,953 --> 01:03:11,174
We enjoy the laughter, but then we look

1718
01:03:11,174 --> 01:03:12,126
a little bit deeper.

1719
01:03:12,601 --> 01:03:14,187
And what you look at there and what

1720
01:03:14,187 --> 01:03:16,328
you notice is that number 1,

1721
01:03:17,217 --> 01:03:20,264
That is a major problem for Google

1722
01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:23,903
because it's no longer business as usual for

1723
01:03:23,983 --> 01:03:27,103
Google. What it signals is that That's what

1724
01:03:27,182 --> 01:03:29,894
Google's done all along. That's why Carl is

1725
01:03:29,894 --> 01:03:30,692
on page 4.

1726
01:03:31,251 --> 01:03:34,521
It just was hidden before, but there's something

1727
01:03:34,521 --> 01:03:36,297
about the nature of this technology

1728
01:03:36,768 --> 01:03:39,395
as you said, It's natural language. They can't

1729
01:03:39,395 --> 01:03:42,739
hide it anymore. It becomes explicit in a

1730
01:03:42,739 --> 01:03:44,983
way that they had not anticipated it Hey,

1731
01:03:45,222 --> 01:03:46,815
their stock price. I think they lost like

1732
01:03:46,815 --> 01:03:48,112
47000000000

1733
01:03:48,488 --> 01:03:51,435
in market value 1 day after that happened.

1734
01:03:51,849 --> 01:03:53,929
This was not a planned thing. It's not

1735
01:03:53,929 --> 01:03:56,989
like they wanted that to happen. It exposed

1736
01:03:58,329 --> 01:03:59,609
where 1 they weren't on top of their

1737
01:03:59,609 --> 01:04:01,858
game in Ai. But also as a culture,

1738
01:04:02,017 --> 01:04:04,805
they weren't on top of the extent to

1739
01:04:04,805 --> 01:04:08,866
which their woken agenda was just not working.

1740
01:04:09,517 --> 01:04:13,034
But the other thing that it revealed is

1741
01:04:13,170 --> 01:04:13,670
that

1742
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:15,893
the game has shifted

1743
01:04:16,346 --> 01:04:17,934
because of something you alluded to and that's

1744
01:04:17,934 --> 01:04:20,103
why I was teasing you about as a

1745
01:04:20,103 --> 01:04:20,342
consultant.

1746
01:04:21,302 --> 01:04:23,320
Their strategy is not

1747
01:04:23,699 --> 01:04:24,199
economically

1748
01:04:24,818 --> 01:04:27,535
from a business standpoint. It isn't sustainable.

1749
01:04:28,429 --> 01:04:30,267
And a lot of the giants fall.

1750
01:04:30,827 --> 01:04:33,224
You know, way back when I was a

1751
01:04:33,224 --> 01:04:34,503
kid with my company,

1752
01:04:35,062 --> 01:04:36,580
Ibm was the giant.

1753
01:04:37,714 --> 01:04:39,791
Ibm was the giant. No 1 talks about

1754
01:04:39,951 --> 01:04:40,451
Ibm

1755
01:04:40,909 --> 01:04:42,667
anymore unless it's in a negative light because

1756
01:04:42,667 --> 01:04:45,952
of their secret conversations. And then Microsoft became.

1757
01:04:46,112 --> 01:04:48,980
And then Apple became. The idea that Google

1758
01:04:48,980 --> 01:04:51,927
will reign Supreme is not a given an

1759
01:04:51,927 --> 01:04:53,601
it tech. It's highly competitive.

1760
01:04:54,093 --> 01:04:56,876
It is highly likely in my opinion that

1761
01:04:56,876 --> 01:04:59,523
the cal justification of their craziness

1762
01:04:59,977 --> 01:05:02,919
about the Chinese finding father that's ingrained in

1763
01:05:02,919 --> 01:05:05,156
their culture. They will not be able to

1764
01:05:05,156 --> 01:05:07,614
make a pivot on that, and they'll give

1765
01:05:07,614 --> 01:05:08,114
results

1766
01:05:08,487 --> 01:05:10,945
that people just deem to be not very

1767
01:05:10,945 --> 01:05:11,262
good.

1768
01:05:11,753 --> 01:05:14,159
And people will then choose another Ll

1769
01:05:14,692 --> 01:05:17,153
and Google will lose market share. So I

1770
01:05:17,153 --> 01:05:19,401
think it goes... There's another layer there beyond

1771
01:05:19,616 --> 01:05:20,116
consolidating

1772
01:05:20,569 --> 01:05:21,069
search

1773
01:05:21,379 --> 01:05:24,889
in bypassing your Seo optimized kind of blog

1774
01:05:24,889 --> 01:05:26,485
post kind of thing. There's this whole other

1775
01:05:26,485 --> 01:05:27,921
thing going on. It's super interesting.

1776
01:05:28,972 --> 01:05:31,835
Mh Mh. And that was something I was

1777
01:05:31,835 --> 01:05:33,425
gonna bring up to you because you are

1778
01:05:33,425 --> 01:05:36,527
someone who's sold an Ai company, and so

1779
01:05:36,527 --> 01:05:37,822
you know about

1780
01:05:38,690 --> 01:05:41,170
the business of this exact area,

1781
01:05:41,730 --> 01:05:42,230
and

1782
01:05:42,610 --> 01:05:44,610
you are right. I heard you say this

1783
01:05:44,610 --> 01:05:45,989
previously, and it just

1784
01:05:46,449 --> 01:05:47,989
resonated with me that

1785
01:05:48,303 --> 01:05:49,360
When it comes to

1786
01:05:49,893 --> 01:05:52,675
investors who are looking at this stuff, if

1787
01:05:52,675 --> 01:05:54,209
it only serves you

1788
01:05:54,663 --> 01:05:55,163
vanilla

1789
01:05:55,537 --> 01:05:56,832
corporate P,

1790
01:05:57,778 --> 01:06:00,398
That's not appealing to an investor.

1791
01:06:01,191 --> 01:06:03,414
They're gonna quickly be like, I don't need

1792
01:06:03,414 --> 01:06:05,477
this. There's plenty of this in the world.

1793
01:06:05,795 --> 01:06:08,217
I want the... Truth. If it doesn't actually

1794
01:06:08,831 --> 01:06:10,525
return results that are truthful,

1795
01:06:11,217 --> 01:06:12,672
then it's not an invest

1796
01:06:14,337 --> 01:06:17,047
situation. And so maybe because of that,

1797
01:06:17,844 --> 01:06:20,178
they will inch our way. Like the technology

1798
01:06:20,315 --> 01:06:21,932
will inch our way because

1799
01:06:22,323 --> 01:06:24,153
They're so hungry for that money. And that

1800
01:06:24,153 --> 01:06:25,426
might be helpful in this case.

1801
01:06:26,380 --> 01:06:28,369
I agree. And that's a very subtle point.

1802
01:06:28,529 --> 01:06:29,802
And again, you have to be in a

1803
01:06:29,802 --> 01:06:30,859
conspiracy first

1804
01:06:31,489 --> 01:06:33,730
see like you are to see that is

1805
01:06:33,730 --> 01:06:35,170
that, you know, you see that every day.

1806
01:06:35,969 --> 01:06:36,929
Misinformation is not a feature.

1807
01:06:37,809 --> 01:06:39,569
We tolerate it and oh, jeez.

1808
01:06:40,143 --> 01:06:42,450
I got dupe again, but we don't consider

1809
01:06:42,450 --> 01:06:44,439
it like, oh, give me more of that.

1810
01:06:44,677 --> 01:06:46,348
I mean, most rational people don't.

1811
01:06:47,158 --> 01:06:49,462
So truth has got a chance if you

1812
01:06:49,462 --> 01:06:51,925
can be more truthful, you can win in

1813
01:06:51,925 --> 01:06:52,401
the market.

1814
01:06:53,355 --> 01:06:53,593
Right.

1815
01:06:54,483 --> 01:06:55,837
I do think this is gonna be a

1816
01:06:55,837 --> 01:06:57,590
bigger part of our world, and we're gonna

1817
01:06:57,590 --> 01:06:58,329
have to

1818
01:06:59,103 --> 01:07:01,588
adjust accordingly, and I think that You know,

1819
01:07:01,827 --> 01:07:04,056
I always say this about my life in

1820
01:07:04,056 --> 01:07:04,534
particular,

1821
01:07:04,931 --> 01:07:07,161
yours too, but, like, to come of age,

1822
01:07:07,479 --> 01:07:10,618
pre Internet is so key in your development

1823
01:07:10,831 --> 01:07:12,574
and your ability to deal with the rest

1824
01:07:12,574 --> 01:07:14,317
of these things. Like, when I look at

1825
01:07:14,317 --> 01:07:16,298
younger kids today, they're fucked.

1826
01:07:16,869 --> 01:07:19,190
They haven't developed any of the critical thinking

1827
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:19,829
skills they...

1828
01:07:20,469 --> 01:07:21,909
You're nodding in your head, no. But have

1829
01:07:21,909 --> 01:07:23,929
you heard the term screen induced autism?

1830
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:27,623
These kids are absolutely fucked. And they're completely

1831
01:07:27,682 --> 01:07:29,917
rewire to Silicon Valley whim,

1832
01:07:30,556 --> 01:07:32,312
and you can continue to not know on

1833
01:07:32,312 --> 01:07:34,148
an audio show, and I can't ignore it

1834
01:07:34,148 --> 01:07:35,745
even though the audience can hear in my

1835
01:07:35,745 --> 01:07:38,077
voice that I'm just, you know, rambling on,

1836
01:07:38,237 --> 01:07:39,675
but I think it's so great that we

1837
01:07:39,675 --> 01:07:40,575
had a basis

1838
01:07:41,114 --> 01:07:44,310
formed before the cell phone, the smartphone before

1839
01:07:44,310 --> 01:07:45,782
the Internet. And

1840
01:07:46,313 --> 01:07:48,217
I think that base is being formed before

1841
01:07:48,376 --> 01:07:51,414
Ai is also great. Imagine a kid born

1842
01:07:51,469 --> 01:07:52,921
in 20 years who

1843
01:07:53,389 --> 01:07:56,420
doesn't have the ability to discern truth from

1844
01:07:56,420 --> 01:07:59,291
fiction when these things can create documents that

1845
01:07:59,291 --> 01:08:01,922
look absolutely real. If this thing gave me

1846
01:08:01,922 --> 01:08:02,561
a document,

1847
01:08:03,295 --> 01:08:03,795
about

1848
01:08:04,175 --> 01:08:06,255
Roswell, let's say, I could just be like,

1849
01:08:06,335 --> 01:08:07,934
well, I know that that's made up because

1850
01:08:08,015 --> 01:08:10,655
I know the body of information about Ras.

1851
01:08:10,909 --> 01:08:12,494
Well, and that isn't in it and now

1852
01:08:12,494 --> 01:08:14,160
we're in the Ai world, so more than

1853
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:15,691
likely than not that's fabricated.

1854
01:08:16,381 --> 01:08:18,229
Because I have that basis.

1855
01:08:19,012 --> 01:08:20,783
Of the pre Ai

1856
01:08:21,315 --> 01:08:22,348
owned world,

1857
01:08:22,824 --> 01:08:24,652
and younger people aren't gonna have that. So

1858
01:08:24,731 --> 01:08:26,399
I think it's gonna get pretty hairy.

1859
01:08:27,368 --> 01:08:29,041
Okay. So your dad, I'm a dad.

1860
01:08:29,917 --> 01:08:31,452
Are your kids better off

1861
01:08:31,828 --> 01:08:35,652
because Greg Carl would has done higher side

1862
01:08:35,652 --> 01:08:37,734
chats. For you answer. Let me answer for

1863
01:08:37,734 --> 01:08:37,813
you.

1864
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:41,704
Your kids are better off. Are my kids

1865
01:08:41,704 --> 01:08:44,325
better off because I've done skeptical. Very much

1866
01:08:44,325 --> 01:08:45,381
of a mixed bag

1867
01:08:46,009 --> 01:08:47,599
My kids are not like 4 of them.

1868
01:08:48,156 --> 01:08:50,224
They couldn't tell you. Right? They don't know,

1869
01:08:51,019 --> 01:08:53,405
but it is who I am on some

1870
01:08:53,405 --> 01:08:56,444
fundamental levels. It's like who I am in

1871
01:08:56,444 --> 01:09:00,024
terms of your connection to the greater to

1872
01:09:00,024 --> 01:09:00,582
the mourn,

1873
01:09:01,139 --> 01:09:02,354
has been fundamentally

1874
01:09:02,810 --> 01:09:03,310
changed

1875
01:09:03,939 --> 01:09:04,439
by

1876
01:09:04,812 --> 01:09:07,196
the information that I've glean on this show.

1877
01:09:07,672 --> 01:09:10,904
You are identical in that respect. My

1878
01:09:11,344 --> 01:09:14,320
perspective with regard to how you need to

1879
01:09:14,539 --> 01:09:17,756
protect yourself from cults. Be it Christianity, Judaism

1880
01:09:18,627 --> 01:09:21,168
any other cult that comes along, well there's

1881
01:09:21,168 --> 01:09:23,710
millions of them, that that is something to

1882
01:09:23,710 --> 01:09:24,345
worry about.

1883
01:09:24,980 --> 01:09:27,460
And my understanding of that and my ability

1884
01:09:27,460 --> 01:09:29,155
to navigate that, will

1885
01:09:29,850 --> 01:09:31,363
it gets to my kids where they wanted

1886
01:09:31,363 --> 01:09:33,116
or not same with your kids.

1887
01:09:34,231 --> 01:09:36,476
Was I afforded that You know don't, look

1888
01:09:36,476 --> 01:09:37,908
at our parents, our grandparents,

1889
01:09:38,545 --> 01:09:40,296
how many of them were caught in the

1890
01:09:40,296 --> 01:09:43,001
cycle of the Christian cult and could not

1891
01:09:43,001 --> 01:09:44,672
see beyond that and followed a set of

1892
01:09:44,672 --> 01:09:47,164
rules or the Jewish cult or whatever called

1893
01:09:47,164 --> 01:09:49,185
and just followed the set of rules relatively

1894
01:09:49,324 --> 01:09:52,125
blindly and could never been imagine anything beyond

1895
01:09:52,125 --> 01:09:54,225
it. Or that followed the state

1896
01:09:54,539 --> 01:09:56,059
God is on our side. Go get a

1897
01:09:56,059 --> 01:09:57,179
gun and go fight.

1898
01:09:58,059 --> 01:10:00,059
You know, are our kids fucked? No. I

1899
01:10:00,059 --> 01:10:01,579
don't think our kids are fucked. I think

1900
01:10:01,579 --> 01:10:02,619
our kids are empowered.

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01:10:03,113 --> 01:10:05,204
And I think because there is this

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01:10:05,579 --> 01:10:07,431
connection to the divine that extends

1903
01:10:07,806 --> 01:10:11,386
beyond our generation, they're ultimately gonna be okay.

1904
01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:14,360
Because that's the way it is. Everyone's okay.

1905
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,680
Everything I say, everybody gets a standing ovation.

1906
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,360
Go look at the Nd e research at

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01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:19,479
the end of the day as hard as

1908
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:20,494
it is to believe

1909
01:10:21,407 --> 01:10:23,550
Epstein gets a standing innovation. I don't know

1910
01:10:23,550 --> 01:10:25,295
why there's a level of forgiveness in the

1911
01:10:25,295 --> 01:10:28,072
universe that I can't contemplate, but everybody gets

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01:10:28,072 --> 01:10:30,475
a standing ovation. That's the data. That's my

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01:10:30,475 --> 01:10:32,069
interpretation of the data, Greg, and that's what

1914
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:33,823
I passed along to my kids. But are

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01:10:33,823 --> 01:10:35,498
my kids better off, are your kids better

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01:10:35,498 --> 01:10:36,455
off? Yes.

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01:10:37,093 --> 01:10:37,651
No question.

1918
01:10:39,818 --> 01:10:41,810
I mean, it really does come down to

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01:10:41,810 --> 01:10:43,721
what do you think life is? If life

1920
01:10:43,721 --> 01:10:44,620
is just

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01:10:46,046 --> 01:10:46,443
theater,

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01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,405
essentially, it's not exactly consequential,

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01:10:50,336 --> 01:10:52,877
then sure. Let the game be what the

1924
01:10:52,877 --> 01:10:53,934
game is, and

1925
01:10:54,243 --> 01:10:56,631
you know, we will be okay ultimately because

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01:10:56,631 --> 01:10:59,335
we have another process beyond our death. And

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01:10:59,335 --> 01:11:01,267
so the life that we are

1928
01:11:01,738 --> 01:11:04,449
living, you know, whether it's manipulated to the

1929
01:11:04,449 --> 01:11:08,436
nth degree or in whatever fashion. It's kind

1930
01:11:08,436 --> 01:11:10,292
of arbitrary because we're just

1931
01:11:11,083 --> 01:11:13,900
Living out characters in the big motion picture

1932
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,197
stage show. But what would be? And again,

1933
01:11:16,356 --> 01:11:17,076
I'll answer the question.

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01:11:18,049 --> 01:11:20,678
What would be significant in that figure, which

1935
01:11:20,837 --> 01:11:22,670
I agree? It's... It's a good way to

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01:11:22,670 --> 01:11:23,228
characterize it.

1937
01:11:23,945 --> 01:11:24,423
It's truth.

1938
01:11:25,635 --> 01:11:27,954
Truth to me seems to stand apart.

1939
01:11:28,594 --> 01:11:30,594
It seems to stand apart from evil,

1940
01:11:31,554 --> 01:11:33,728
in a way that is significant the way

1941
01:11:33,728 --> 01:11:36,436
that I understand on understand extended consciousness. How's

1942
01:11:36,436 --> 01:11:38,269
was bashing on the Satan. I don't wanna

1943
01:11:38,269 --> 01:11:40,100
state. I have no idea I'm not religious

1944
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:41,216
in any way. So I don't know what

1945
01:11:41,296 --> 01:11:43,776
Satan means or I throw around, you know,

1946
01:11:44,014 --> 01:11:45,521
trans to lose finger and all that. I

1947
01:11:45,521 --> 01:11:47,029
don't know what any of that means. I

1948
01:11:47,029 --> 01:11:48,877
just know there's this extended consciousness,

1949
01:11:49,488 --> 01:11:50,861
and I am very

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01:11:51,328 --> 01:11:53,658
open to the idea that there is

1951
01:11:54,113 --> 01:11:56,896
a goodness. And I think that goodness is

1952
01:11:56,896 --> 01:11:58,113
aligned with truth

1953
01:11:58,423 --> 01:12:00,735
in a way that is undeniable in a

1954
01:12:00,735 --> 01:12:02,829
way that shines through in

1955
01:12:03,286 --> 01:12:05,359
your work and hopefully, my work and that

1956
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:06,156
that is the beacon.

1957
01:12:06,889 --> 01:12:09,605
Just find your own truth, be true to

1958
01:12:09,605 --> 01:12:12,481
yourself, be true to other people, and then

1959
01:12:12,481 --> 01:12:13,041
enjoy the theater.

1960
01:12:13,694 --> 01:12:15,688
Yeah. Cheers to that. I think that's as

1961
01:12:15,688 --> 01:12:18,079
good a place as any to land on

1962
01:12:18,079 --> 01:12:18,557
this thing.

1963
01:12:19,515 --> 01:12:21,189
Before I actually let you go, You know,

1964
01:12:21,349 --> 01:12:22,327
we do the dance

1965
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,880
at the end here about promotions. What do

1966
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:26,720
you want people to know? Obviously, listen to

1967
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,039
the Skeptical podcast, get the book?

1968
01:12:29,934 --> 01:12:30,333
What else?

1969
01:12:31,052 --> 01:12:32,570
Get the damn book. So I'll tell you

1970
01:12:32,570 --> 01:12:34,408
what last time amazon. If you want the

1971
01:12:34,408 --> 01:12:36,006
book, and you don't wanna buy the book,

1972
01:12:36,166 --> 01:12:37,045
You have to buy the book.

1973
01:12:37,698 --> 01:12:39,293
Go to my subs stack or send me

1974
01:12:39,293 --> 01:12:41,048
an email whatever. And tell me you wanna

1975
01:12:41,048 --> 01:12:42,244
copy the book, and I'll send you copy

1976
01:12:42,244 --> 01:12:44,796
the book. E copy as It. I'll send

1977
01:12:44,796 --> 01:12:46,391
you copy the book for free. No strings

1978
01:12:46,391 --> 01:12:48,479
attached. You'll be in the subs, but you

1979
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,789
wanna be in the subs anyway. So if

1980
01:12:50,789 --> 01:12:53,180
you want, go ahead. So go to the

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01:12:53,180 --> 01:12:54,398
subs and

1982
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:57,186
Given exactly the instructions.

1983
01:12:57,986 --> 01:13:00,543
The easier probably send me an email, which

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01:13:00,543 --> 01:13:01,043
is

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01:13:01,822 --> 01:13:03,832
alex at skip c dot com. Or you

1986
01:13:03,832 --> 01:13:05,022
can find it on the website.

1987
01:13:05,815 --> 01:13:07,799
Just reach out to me in any way

1988
01:13:07,799 --> 01:13:09,226
and tell me you wanna copy of the

1989
01:13:09,226 --> 01:13:11,314
book. You know, last time we did this

1990
01:13:12,257 --> 01:13:14,723
we got, I think 400 people. Which I

1991
01:13:14,723 --> 01:13:16,394
think is great. Yeah. But we will not

1992
01:13:16,394 --> 01:13:19,273
get 10000 people so I'm not worried. If

1993
01:13:19,352 --> 01:13:21,261
I get 400 people great? I'll go through

1994
01:13:21,261 --> 01:13:23,648
400 emails. I'll send out 400 books. It's

1995
01:13:23,648 --> 01:13:25,159
no problem. I'll get an assistant to do

1996
01:13:25,159 --> 01:13:26,829
it. Get a 5 to do it. Yeah.

1997
01:13:27,228 --> 01:13:27,546
Exactly.

1998
01:13:28,038 --> 01:13:30,429
Well, you are the man. I thought this

1999
01:13:30,429 --> 01:13:31,545
was a lot of fun,

2000
01:13:32,182 --> 01:13:32,661
and

2001
01:13:33,059 --> 01:13:35,051
I always appreciate it. It's good to reconnect

2002
01:13:35,051 --> 01:13:36,822
with you. And we're not gonna be having

2003
01:13:36,822 --> 01:13:39,694
lunch anytime soon, I guess, but I still

2004
01:13:39,694 --> 01:13:41,849
value those times we had, and you're 1

2005
01:13:41,849 --> 01:13:43,046
of the good ones man take care.

2006
01:13:43,938 --> 01:13:45,613
Thanks, Buddy. That's good to know. I don't

2007
01:13:45,613 --> 01:13:47,070
have to sit through 1 of those

2008
01:13:47,528 --> 01:13:49,521
cider or whatever it is you drink their

2009
01:13:49,521 --> 01:13:51,197
at viewpoint. I don't know the I could

2010
01:13:51,197 --> 01:13:51,675
do that again.

2011
01:13:52,712 --> 01:13:53,190
Guilty.

2012
01:13:56,164 --> 01:13:59,364
Alright, everybody. My friend and yours, Captain Alex

2013
01:13:59,364 --> 01:14:00,904
of the s ss Skeptical.

2014
01:14:01,939 --> 01:14:03,720
1 of the few people in the podcast

2015
01:14:03,859 --> 01:14:05,539
game who just does it for the love

2016
01:14:05,539 --> 01:14:08,260
of it. He doesn't do ads. He doesn't

2017
01:14:08,260 --> 01:14:11,474
seek memberships. He just like to advance ideas

2018
01:14:11,474 --> 01:14:13,895
about consciousness and to a degree cons

2019
01:14:14,514 --> 01:14:14,994
perspectives.

2020
01:14:15,715 --> 01:14:17,529
I think he also does it to challenge

2021
01:14:17,649 --> 01:14:19,315
the academics and to put up some of

2022
01:14:19,315 --> 01:14:21,538
the best of the best who are actually

2023
01:14:21,538 --> 01:14:22,650
on the right tracks.

2024
01:14:23,761 --> 01:14:25,826
Have you ever heard his podcast with Jason

2025
01:14:25,984 --> 01:14:26,222
Loo?

2026
01:14:27,032 --> 01:14:27,430
Yikes.

2027
01:14:29,417 --> 01:14:31,882
Probably my favorite on air descent into argument

2028
01:14:31,962 --> 01:14:33,949
I've ever heard, and Alex was totally right

2029
01:14:33,949 --> 01:14:34,506
on that 1.

2030
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:37,079
So he does this because he enjoys it,

2031
01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:39,319
and I see why after he sort of

2032
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:40,599
hung up his hat for a while,

2033
01:14:41,159 --> 01:14:43,960
he came back motivated from the Ai movement.

2034
01:14:44,533 --> 01:14:46,208
It's the kind of thing he was working

2035
01:14:46,208 --> 01:14:48,042
on 2 decades ago after all,

2036
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,073
but he's always been good to me Viewpoint

2037
01:14:51,073 --> 01:14:52,747
is where we would meet up for lunch,

2038
01:14:52,907 --> 01:14:55,637
and yes. I would drink cider. I'm not

2039
01:14:55,637 --> 01:14:56,916
ashamed to be a cider guy.

2040
01:14:57,955 --> 01:14:59,553
Maybe I should be. I don't know what

2041
01:14:59,553 --> 01:15:01,711
the culture saying on Cider these days. I

2042
01:15:01,711 --> 01:15:02,670
haven't gotten that memo.

2043
01:15:03,323 --> 01:15:04,757
And maybe we should have done a more

2044
01:15:04,757 --> 01:15:07,146
public meetup there now that I think about

2045
01:15:07,146 --> 01:15:09,058
it, but Alex did come to the San

2046
01:15:09,137 --> 01:15:11,686
Diego 1. I appreciate that. He's a real

2047
01:15:11,686 --> 01:15:11,846
g.

2048
01:15:12,898 --> 01:15:14,413
But you guys are gonna have to be

2049
01:15:14,413 --> 01:15:16,567
the judge on this episode. As I said

2050
01:15:16,567 --> 01:15:18,481
in the beginning, I like Alex, but I'm

2051
01:15:18,481 --> 01:15:21,352
not really excited by the Ai topic personally.

2052
01:15:21,591 --> 01:15:24,085
I like the dialogues he's been having with

2053
01:15:24,244 --> 01:15:27,225
Ai because his style really works for

2054
01:15:27,765 --> 01:15:31,456
pushing and basically bullying these Ai models past

2055
01:15:31,456 --> 01:15:32,194
their protocols.

2056
01:15:33,042 --> 01:15:36,848
The biases do show and that programming bias,

2057
01:15:37,086 --> 01:15:38,537
that Silicon Valley

2058
01:15:40,045 --> 01:15:40,204
Misinformation,

2059
01:15:41,085 --> 01:15:44,045
misinformation is so dangerous mindset really does come

2060
01:15:44,045 --> 01:15:45,904
through, especially in his dialogues.

2061
01:15:47,017 --> 01:15:48,714
But I think there's a lot of hype

2062
01:15:48,772 --> 01:15:51,085
and a lot of money pouring in, and

2063
01:15:51,085 --> 01:15:53,557
it's gonna be a big disappointment similar to

2064
01:15:53,557 --> 01:15:56,030
all the Vr, R meta talk.

2065
01:15:57,238 --> 01:15:59,384
There are a couple podcasts I listened to

2066
01:15:59,384 --> 01:16:01,609
that are about Hollywood as a business,

2067
01:16:02,483 --> 01:16:04,962
and they seem to think that Ai is

2068
01:16:04,962 --> 01:16:07,769
really going to help them kick the can

2069
01:16:07,906 --> 01:16:10,531
down the road of staying somewhat profitable.

2070
01:16:11,419 --> 01:16:14,274
If you're already turning out generic material sure,

2071
01:16:14,433 --> 01:16:17,685
Ai could probably write you another generic script.

2072
01:16:18,018 --> 01:16:19,632
You could probably use Ai

2073
01:16:20,007 --> 01:16:22,792
all along the many parts of the process

2074
01:16:22,792 --> 01:16:24,485
of creating a Hollywood film

2075
01:16:24,860 --> 01:16:26,531
and cut out a lot of grunt work.

2076
01:16:27,501 --> 01:16:29,410
But the deeper story there that some people

2077
01:16:29,410 --> 01:16:32,194
are talking about is that the rider strike

2078
01:16:32,194 --> 01:16:35,399
and the actor strikes that provided

2079
01:16:36,028 --> 01:16:38,990
a very convenient time for all the big

2080
01:16:39,444 --> 01:16:42,541
corporations in Hollywood to have all the right

2081
01:16:42,541 --> 01:16:45,265
meetings with Silicon Valley and decide

2082
01:16:45,972 --> 01:16:47,800
who they needed and who they didn't.

2083
01:16:48,674 --> 01:16:51,057
It's hard to really get a handle on

2084
01:16:51,057 --> 01:16:54,156
this new jump in technology when you're juggling

2085
01:16:54,156 --> 01:16:56,958
a thousand other things and all these projects.

2086
01:16:57,198 --> 01:16:58,871
But if you can put everything down,

2087
01:16:59,747 --> 01:17:02,000
the right people can have the right meetings

2088
01:17:02,136 --> 01:17:04,564
and the whole strike end

2089
01:17:05,021 --> 01:17:06,239
with some big

2090
01:17:06,616 --> 01:17:07,116
empty

2091
01:17:07,493 --> 01:17:10,126
celebration for labor and the union by giving

2092
01:17:10,126 --> 01:17:13,417
up a small little percent of barely anything

2093
01:17:13,475 --> 01:17:14,709
in the short term

2094
01:17:15,168 --> 01:17:17,405
where what was really happening was the long

2095
01:17:17,405 --> 01:17:18,304
term strat,

2096
01:17:19,322 --> 01:17:20,542
and the real analysis

2097
01:17:20,921 --> 01:17:23,319
as to how advanced this tech is and

2098
01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:24,349
where it can be used.

2099
01:17:25,063 --> 01:17:27,441
And I just think that's interesting analysis because

2100
01:17:27,441 --> 01:17:28,788
we know how these games are played.

2101
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,027
And we know how these things are framed

2102
01:17:31,027 --> 01:17:31,821
to the public.

2103
01:17:32,615 --> 01:17:34,839
And usually, there's something going on beneath the

2104
01:17:34,839 --> 01:17:36,666
surface and some of it seems to be

2105
01:17:36,666 --> 01:17:38,572
that kind of stuff, which is relevant to.

2106
01:17:38,984 --> 01:17:40,096
This episode today.

2107
01:17:40,891 --> 01:17:42,957
But I will say the plus show in

2108
01:17:42,957 --> 01:17:45,658
this 1 is very fun and different. We

2109
01:17:45,658 --> 01:17:48,613
actually got pie 8 involved, and we tried

2110
01:17:48,613 --> 01:17:51,259
to get some interesting info from it regarding

2111
01:17:51,474 --> 01:17:54,198
the Covid vaccine, death rates and Ufo.

2112
01:17:55,384 --> 01:17:57,377
So if you haven't engaged with these things

2113
01:17:57,377 --> 01:17:59,609
at all, it kind of is interesting to

2114
01:17:59,609 --> 01:18:00,805
at least see where they are.

2115
01:18:01,523 --> 01:18:03,595
The information's is 1 thing, but the voices

2116
01:18:03,595 --> 01:18:05,205
are another and they are pretty good.

2117
01:18:06,162 --> 01:18:08,952
It's funny because depending on how distracting they

2118
01:18:08,952 --> 01:18:12,322
are. Our editor sometimes takes out heavy breaths

2119
01:18:13,033 --> 01:18:15,744
And the Ai voice has breath that make

2120
01:18:15,744 --> 01:18:18,614
it sound more natural, and there's just something

2121
01:18:18,614 --> 01:18:21,619
funny about a software adding in fake breaths

2122
01:18:21,739 --> 01:18:23,974
and then a human using a software to

2123
01:18:23,974 --> 01:18:25,671
remove breaths for a podcast.

2124
01:18:26,686 --> 01:18:28,681
This is how time has spent these days,

2125
01:18:28,921 --> 01:18:29,295
but

2126
01:18:29,731 --> 01:18:31,719
You will have to decide if Alex is

2127
01:18:31,719 --> 01:18:32,990
on something there or not.

2128
01:18:33,785 --> 01:18:34,761
I thought the

2129
01:18:35,216 --> 01:18:37,618
thing about the actual voice was funny because

2130
01:18:37,618 --> 01:18:39,856
it does kind of sound like what you'd

2131
01:18:39,856 --> 01:18:41,694
expect Silicon valley to use.

2132
01:18:42,814 --> 01:18:45,610
That sort of diversity stuff, even for fake

2133
01:18:45,610 --> 01:18:46,110
voices,

2134
01:18:46,824 --> 01:18:48,979
It kinda sounded like t pain without the

2135
01:18:48,979 --> 01:18:50,096
auto tune actually.

2136
01:18:50,814 --> 01:18:53,128
But Alex picked that voice, so I just

2137
01:18:53,128 --> 01:18:54,405
looked bad on that 1.

2138
01:18:56,415 --> 01:18:58,569
I'm really comfortable with Alex though, so we

2139
01:18:58,569 --> 01:19:01,442
were both pretty stubborn about our perspective on

2140
01:19:01,442 --> 01:19:02,080
this stuff.

2141
01:19:02,654 --> 01:19:04,725
And Alex thinks I'm missing the boat big

2142
01:19:04,725 --> 01:19:04,964
time.

2143
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,150
But look, I know there are uses for

2144
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:08,627
Ai.

2145
01:19:09,185 --> 01:19:11,256
I really like the Ai art stuff.

2146
01:19:11,988 --> 01:19:13,264
I have a friend who wanted to make

2147
01:19:13,264 --> 01:19:15,816
a weed friendly bay cruise in San Diego,

2148
01:19:15,975 --> 01:19:17,969
and he used Ai to come up with

2149
01:19:17,969 --> 01:19:19,644
a good pitch for it, and it did

2150
01:19:19,644 --> 01:19:20,520
a pretty good job.

2151
01:19:21,252 --> 01:19:23,400
And there are people out there who will

2152
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,946
save a lot of time in their 9

2153
01:19:25,946 --> 01:19:27,377
to fives by using it.

2154
01:19:28,029 --> 01:19:30,966
There's actually a new voice enhancing Ai tool

2155
01:19:30,966 --> 01:19:33,426
that I'm really impressed with actually that will

2156
01:19:33,426 --> 01:19:35,966
probably get used in this show from time

2157
01:19:35,966 --> 01:19:36,363
to time.

2158
01:19:37,252 --> 01:19:39,483
But the editing of the u and oz

2159
01:19:39,483 --> 01:19:42,134
and likes and you nose and long pauses.

2160
01:19:43,068 --> 01:19:44,900
That kind of stuff is still gonna require

2161
01:19:44,900 --> 01:19:45,777
a human touch.

2162
01:19:46,670 --> 01:19:49,149
I've listened to shows where they just used

2163
01:19:49,229 --> 01:19:49,729
Ai

2164
01:19:50,350 --> 01:19:51,489
to take out

2165
01:19:52,029 --> 01:19:52,529
pauses,

2166
01:19:52,909 --> 01:19:55,489
and it sounds really awkward

2167
01:19:56,441 --> 01:19:58,930
So if you're comfortable with saving time

2168
01:19:59,305 --> 01:20:02,329
to produce c plus work, it's very useful.

2169
01:20:02,568 --> 01:20:04,876
Lots of people only do c plus work

2170
01:20:04,876 --> 01:20:06,090
anyway. So what's the difference?

2171
01:20:07,289 --> 01:20:09,130
Obviously, tech does get better,

2172
01:20:09,689 --> 01:20:12,109
but I don't see it getting good enough

2173
01:20:12,424 --> 01:20:15,055
in any of my use cases for it

2174
01:20:15,055 --> 01:20:16,011
to matter too much.

2175
01:20:17,207 --> 01:20:19,462
I guess I could use it to summarize

2176
01:20:19,759 --> 01:20:20,896
books, but

2177
01:20:21,446 --> 01:20:21,684
Again,

2178
01:20:22,478 --> 01:20:25,176
it's not gonna find that 1 bizarre point

2179
01:20:25,176 --> 01:20:27,478
that I want to ask a guest about

2180
01:20:27,478 --> 01:20:28,271
in an interview.

2181
01:20:29,082 --> 01:20:30,831
That stuff is kind of the secret sauce

2182
01:20:30,831 --> 01:20:31,489
of Thc.

2183
01:20:32,182 --> 01:20:35,364
The stuff that requires my own personal discernment

2184
01:20:35,364 --> 01:20:36,556
it can't be outsourced.

2185
01:20:37,288 --> 01:20:38,721
If I want a summary of a book,

2186
01:20:38,881 --> 01:20:40,713
I can read the intro or just the

2187
01:20:40,713 --> 01:20:41,190
back of it.

2188
01:20:42,067 --> 01:20:44,615
I will say though that even just using

2189
01:20:44,615 --> 01:20:47,499
a typical search function can be an art

2190
01:20:47,499 --> 01:20:47,818
form,

2191
01:20:48,535 --> 01:20:51,484
phrasing things correctly, using the right words, etcetera,

2192
01:20:51,724 --> 01:20:53,636
etcetera. We all know people who are just

2193
01:20:53,636 --> 01:20:53,876
bad,

2194
01:20:54,608 --> 01:20:56,701
Internet users and bad Internet search.

2195
01:20:57,794 --> 01:21:00,742
And savvy people can get what they're looking

2196
01:21:00,742 --> 01:21:02,813
for much faster. And I think Ai is

2197
01:21:02,813 --> 01:21:03,211
similar.

2198
01:21:03,783 --> 01:21:06,569
Just like the art generators, how creative is

2199
01:21:06,569 --> 01:21:08,796
the human input, that's a huge factor.

2200
01:21:09,592 --> 01:21:12,082
But even with the Pizza gate coded language

2201
01:21:12,377 --> 01:21:15,176
example. So, yeah, the machine admitted, it appears

2202
01:21:15,176 --> 01:21:17,720
to be coded language in the emails. That

2203
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,821
example is slightly more interesting than others because

2204
01:21:20,821 --> 01:21:23,412
it is a large language model program.

2205
01:21:24,271 --> 01:21:27,387
But did that or would that move anyone's

2206
01:21:27,387 --> 01:21:29,626
opinion or does it just confirm what we

2207
01:21:29,626 --> 01:21:30,185
already know?

2208
01:21:31,157 --> 01:21:33,728
I get that they'll never be a real

2209
01:21:34,185 --> 01:21:36,574
investigation or any real court case about such

2210
01:21:36,574 --> 01:21:37,632
things. So we're

2211
01:21:38,341 --> 01:21:40,113
desperate enough to be

2212
01:21:41,122 --> 01:21:42,020
excited about

2213
01:21:42,552 --> 01:21:44,618
a concession from Ai, I guess.

2214
01:21:45,745 --> 01:21:47,593
As for the book title portion

2215
01:21:48,124 --> 01:21:50,028
about it being divine, well, we didn't talk

2216
01:21:50,028 --> 01:21:53,144
much about that because that's really a dominant

2217
01:21:53,771 --> 01:21:56,100
conversation about Ai. I will it become conscious.

2218
01:21:57,192 --> 01:21:58,623
All this sorts of stuff. Well,

2219
01:21:59,260 --> 01:22:00,945
I've heard what Alex has to say on

2220
01:22:00,945 --> 01:22:02,853
that, and we are both in agreement that

2221
01:22:02,853 --> 01:22:04,761
no. It's not gonna become conscious.

2222
01:22:05,477 --> 01:22:07,783
But it might actually cause some people to

2223
01:22:07,783 --> 01:22:10,829
realize humans are special and consciousness is a

2224
01:22:10,829 --> 01:22:11,628
big part of that.

2225
01:22:12,506 --> 01:22:14,741
So when a roundabout way, it could be

2226
01:22:14,741 --> 01:22:18,036
helpful in bringing material back to the spiritual

2227
01:22:18,590 --> 01:22:21,550
just by more people making that comparison.

2228
01:22:22,429 --> 01:22:24,029
But really when it comes to this subject,

2229
01:22:24,270 --> 01:22:25,869
I try to stay open minded? Because what

2230
01:22:25,869 --> 01:22:26,909
do I know, really?

2231
01:22:27,805 --> 01:22:30,305
The next step from these Ai art generators

2232
01:22:30,685 --> 01:22:34,204
are these video generators that are making really

2233
01:22:34,204 --> 01:22:35,185
compelling video

2234
01:22:35,899 --> 01:22:39,092
that looks pretty real just from similar prompts.

2235
01:22:40,050 --> 01:22:42,067
So I think if someone has a creative

2236
01:22:42,445 --> 01:22:44,520
idea of a story to tell,

2237
01:22:45,491 --> 01:22:48,434
They could use these systems to make their

2238
01:22:48,434 --> 01:22:48,934
pitch

2239
01:22:49,468 --> 01:22:51,696
or to get started, but I don't know.

2240
01:22:52,430 --> 01:22:54,989
It's basically a glorified story board, I guess,

2241
01:22:55,869 --> 01:22:58,449
It's gonna work great for b roll for

2242
01:22:58,909 --> 01:23:00,030
Youtube comment tate.

2243
01:23:01,079 --> 01:23:03,721
There are uses, and I think it will

2244
01:23:03,777 --> 01:23:05,229
disrupt the fiber

2245
01:23:06,237 --> 01:23:07,292
creative freelancer

2246
01:23:07,664 --> 01:23:08,379
sort of space.

2247
01:23:09,589 --> 01:23:12,386
I personally never really like to hurt someone's

2248
01:23:12,386 --> 01:23:15,103
feelings. So if I have art made for

2249
01:23:15,103 --> 01:23:17,635
t shirts or something, and it's 80 percent

2250
01:23:17,753 --> 01:23:19,185
what I had in my head. I tend

2251
01:23:19,185 --> 01:23:20,935
to just say, okay Fine. It's good.

2252
01:23:21,652 --> 01:23:23,878
I don't make them go through a lot

2253
01:23:23,878 --> 01:23:24,378
of

2254
01:23:24,849 --> 01:23:25,349
nausea

2255
01:23:26,048 --> 01:23:26,287
revisions.

2256
01:23:27,087 --> 01:23:29,164
When I use the Ai art stuff, it

2257
01:23:29,164 --> 01:23:30,762
doesn't get it right the first time, but

2258
01:23:30,843 --> 01:23:32,441
I can just keep going and going and

2259
01:23:32,441 --> 01:23:34,928
going until eventually, I get something maybe closer

2260
01:23:34,928 --> 01:23:36,917
to 90 95 percent what I had in

2261
01:23:36,917 --> 01:23:37,315
my head.

2262
01:23:38,110 --> 01:23:40,758
But, yeah, Alex knows a lot more

2263
01:23:41,149 --> 01:23:43,701
about this stuff than me. He should be

2264
01:23:43,701 --> 01:23:46,354
the 1 to tell anyone if there's something

2265
01:23:46,413 --> 01:23:48,407
interesting going on here, but I just haven't

2266
01:23:48,407 --> 01:23:50,640
seen an example that truly moved me yet.

2267
01:23:51,612 --> 01:23:53,366
But I am very open to a point

2268
01:23:53,366 --> 01:23:57,033
in the timeline where an Ll does accidentally

2269
01:23:57,033 --> 01:23:59,766
get access to something top secret or

2270
01:24:00,158 --> 01:24:02,067
some dark web digital archive,

2271
01:24:03,101 --> 01:24:05,090
and we might actually learn some stuff from

2272
01:24:05,090 --> 01:24:06,601
it in situations like that.

2273
01:24:07,411 --> 01:24:09,477
I guess it's not that the technology is

2274
01:24:09,477 --> 01:24:11,305
bad. It's just that the guard rails on

2275
01:24:11,305 --> 01:24:12,917
it are so strict

2276
01:24:13,689 --> 01:24:15,612
that I don't see it as much more

2277
01:24:15,612 --> 01:24:16,748
than a mainstream

2278
01:24:17,521 --> 01:24:18,021
argument

2279
01:24:18,396 --> 01:24:18,896
reg

2280
01:24:19,271 --> 01:24:20,543
and at worst.

2281
01:24:21,514 --> 01:24:25,270
A digitized mass mk ultra weaponized program.

2282
01:24:26,389 --> 01:24:28,226
But I also agree with Alex that so

2283
01:24:28,226 --> 01:24:30,960
many of the fears about Ai being destructive

2284
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,599
or cor to society or used by the

2285
01:24:33,599 --> 01:24:34,319
bad people.

2286
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,559
Well they're kind of ignoring the state of

2287
01:24:36,559 --> 01:24:39,125
things now and throughout his What's Ai really

2288
01:24:39,125 --> 01:24:41,904
going to add that isn't already a mess.

2289
01:24:43,015 --> 01:24:45,635
I brought up my fake document example, and

2290
01:24:45,715 --> 01:24:48,197
I think that has merit. But we've always

2291
01:24:48,197 --> 01:24:50,670
had to contend with fake documents and hoax

2292
01:24:50,670 --> 01:24:51,867
is I just think there will be a

2293
01:24:51,867 --> 01:24:53,144
lot more of them, and there'll be a

2294
01:24:53,144 --> 01:24:54,180
lot more convincing.

2295
01:24:55,234 --> 01:24:57,149
But in the second hour, even when he

2296
01:24:57,149 --> 01:24:59,783
asked the Ai if it knew who I

2297
01:24:59,783 --> 01:25:01,779
was, and it says, oh, yes. The higher

2298
01:25:01,779 --> 01:25:03,375
side chats is a great podcast.

2299
01:25:03,789 --> 01:25:05,569
Delve into a wide range of

2300
01:25:05,949 --> 01:25:08,670
unconventional, suppressed and es esoteric topics well.

2301
01:25:09,389 --> 01:25:11,149
That's just read right off my website.

2302
01:25:11,883 --> 01:25:14,454
When the big machine came for the word

2303
01:25:14,512 --> 01:25:16,287
conspiracy, I altered the Thc

2304
01:25:16,743 --> 01:25:18,598
description to replace conspiracy

2305
01:25:19,388 --> 01:25:19,888
with

2306
01:25:20,744 --> 01:25:23,855
unconventional and suppressed because they're less loaded terms.

2307
01:25:24,493 --> 01:25:26,168
But that was a giveaway for me. The

2308
01:25:26,247 --> 01:25:28,560
Ai basically just did a Google search.

2309
01:25:29,293 --> 01:25:31,043
On the back end of my website and

2310
01:25:31,043 --> 01:25:31,997
read the description.

2311
01:25:32,713 --> 01:25:34,622
It's a nice trick, but I know what's

2312
01:25:34,622 --> 01:25:35,179
going on here.

2313
01:25:36,228 --> 01:25:37,737
But in terms of the interview, I tried

2314
01:25:37,737 --> 01:25:39,881
to make sure that we talked about the

2315
01:25:39,881 --> 01:25:42,683
material that Alex had dialogue with the Ais

2316
01:25:42,739 --> 01:25:44,565
about because it's a way of trying to

2317
01:25:44,565 --> 01:25:46,648
make everyone even if you don't care about

2318
01:25:46,727 --> 01:25:49,113
Ai too much, Well, we still talked about

2319
01:25:49,113 --> 01:25:49,613
cons

2320
01:25:50,306 --> 01:25:52,216
topics within that framework.

2321
01:25:53,185 --> 01:25:55,255
But that said, the free book offer is

2322
01:25:55,255 --> 01:25:57,324
very generous. I hope some people take him

2323
01:25:57,324 --> 01:25:58,837
up on that or at least check out

2324
01:25:58,837 --> 01:26:00,762
some of his podcast at so it's with

2325
01:26:00,762 --> 01:26:03,475
the Ai models, he's the perfect person to

2326
01:26:03,475 --> 01:26:05,389
take his show in this sort of direction.

2327
01:26:06,266 --> 01:26:08,521
And in higher side news, the free plus

2328
01:26:08,579 --> 01:26:11,932
episode for June was Peter Mark Adams from

2329
01:26:11,932 --> 01:26:14,231
about 5 years ago talking about the Sol

2330
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:15,286
Bus T.

2331
01:26:16,371 --> 01:26:18,291
It is a true t h see classic.

2332
01:26:18,450 --> 01:26:21,155
Any free show listeners who are subscribed in

2333
01:26:21,155 --> 01:26:23,144
a podcast app should see that on the

2334
01:26:23,144 --> 01:26:24,497
list right before this 1.

2335
01:26:25,309 --> 01:26:28,287
Based on the download numbers, these free plus

2336
01:26:28,346 --> 01:26:29,805
episodes are very popular,

2337
01:26:30,504 --> 01:26:32,342
who doesn't want something for free, but I

2338
01:26:32,342 --> 01:26:34,795
hope that some people do convert to plus

2339
01:26:34,914 --> 01:26:36,030
after realizing,

2340
01:26:36,827 --> 01:26:38,421
it's a much better experience,

2341
01:26:39,298 --> 01:26:40,972
and you could have heard this 5 years

2342
01:26:40,972 --> 01:26:42,407
ago, but, hey, that's on some of you

2343
01:26:42,407 --> 01:26:42,646
guys.

2344
01:26:43,619 --> 01:26:46,340
This is just a new strategy for me

2345
01:26:46,340 --> 01:26:47,140
making my case.

2346
01:26:48,500 --> 01:26:50,359
As for the plus people's

2347
01:26:50,659 --> 01:26:53,393
review of the last episode with Chris K

2348
01:26:53,393 --> 01:26:56,744
as if there's ever any doubt, 4.8,

2349
01:26:57,303 --> 01:26:58,421
about as good as it gets,

2350
01:26:59,538 --> 01:27:02,027
that episode really brought me back to being

2351
01:27:02,027 --> 01:27:03,861
on a James Shelby downer kick.

2352
01:27:04,578 --> 01:27:06,332
You're gonna hear that name referenced in a

2353
01:27:06,332 --> 01:27:08,485
few of the next episodes, but this 1

2354
01:27:08,485 --> 01:27:11,054
with Alex sort of completes a string of

2355
01:27:11,054 --> 01:27:13,135
episodes with friends of the show who have

2356
01:27:13,135 --> 01:27:13,854
new books out.

2357
01:27:14,574 --> 01:27:15,054
Rec,

2358
01:27:16,094 --> 01:27:18,654
Chris and Alex. I love these guys.

2359
01:27:19,709 --> 01:27:22,186
I'm happy to do interviews with people I'm

2360
01:27:22,186 --> 01:27:23,704
familiar with who write good stuff,

2361
01:27:24,504 --> 01:27:27,141
but the next string of interviews are with

2362
01:27:27,141 --> 01:27:30,111
people that are much more obscure, who you

2363
01:27:30,111 --> 01:27:32,425
probably don't know or at least haven't heard

2364
01:27:32,425 --> 01:27:33,541
recent interviews with.

2365
01:27:34,179 --> 01:27:36,427
And I think that should excite a lot

2366
01:27:36,427 --> 01:27:38,738
of listeners out there who maybe didn't like

2367
01:27:38,738 --> 01:27:40,092
that familiar trend.

2368
01:27:40,888 --> 01:27:42,481
But I also gotta start saying that if

2369
01:27:42,481 --> 01:27:44,814
you wanna see some video clips from these

2370
01:27:44,871 --> 01:27:47,193
episodes check my social media. It's full of

2371
01:27:47,193 --> 01:27:49,023
them. I hired a company to make the

2372
01:27:49,023 --> 01:27:49,261
clips,

2373
01:27:49,977 --> 01:27:51,648
and they run the tiktok.

2374
01:27:52,617 --> 01:27:54,050
And pretty much the Instagram,

2375
01:27:55,004 --> 01:27:55,902
and the

2376
01:27:56,356 --> 01:27:58,663
Youtube shorts is pretty much all that's left

2377
01:27:58,663 --> 01:28:00,652
of a once great Youtube channel.

2378
01:28:01,619 --> 01:28:03,443
But alright. Let's do the meetup up calendar

2379
01:28:03,443 --> 01:28:04,869
thing and get on with our day. U.

2380
01:28:06,217 --> 01:28:08,358
Okay. July sixth this weekend.

2381
01:28:08,929 --> 01:28:11,000
New Buffalo, Michigan at rolling numbers,

2382
01:28:11,398 --> 01:28:14,584
July eighteenth, Coral tree in La, July 20

2383
01:28:14,584 --> 01:28:17,531
fourth, Oak Public house, Eugene Oregon,

2384
01:28:18,184 --> 01:28:19,702
and also July 20 fourth,

2385
01:28:20,342 --> 01:28:23,399
corner bakery rec cafe in Pasadena, California.

2386
01:28:24,417 --> 01:28:25,935
And that's it. It's looking at a little

2387
01:28:25,935 --> 01:28:28,590
bear with only 4 events on the calendar

2388
01:28:28,590 --> 01:28:30,189
and 2 of them being in La.

2389
01:28:31,069 --> 01:28:32,289
Maybe I overestimate

2390
01:28:32,750 --> 01:28:34,590
people's desire for community,

2391
01:28:35,243 --> 01:28:37,796
With like minded locals or maybe summers are

2392
01:28:37,796 --> 01:28:39,552
just busy, but if you want to go

2393
01:28:39,552 --> 01:28:41,386
to 1 go to higher side meet dot

2394
01:28:41,386 --> 01:28:43,471
com and rs Vp or make an event

2395
01:28:43,471 --> 01:28:45,539
near you. It's all free and opened to

2396
01:28:45,539 --> 01:28:45,778
everyone.

2397
01:28:46,573 --> 01:28:48,958
But that's the show. Get Alex's book, check

2398
01:28:48,958 --> 01:28:50,708
out what he's doing if you're interested in

2399
01:28:50,787 --> 01:28:51,980
Ai and I'll see you next time.

2400
01:28:52,953 --> 01:28:55,771
I've done my part. Your move, trans

2401
01:28:56,230 --> 01:29:00,225
tyrant, silicon valley sorcerer and artificial ar of

2402
01:29:00,225 --> 01:29:00,840
her truth

2403
01:29:01,676 --> 01:29:02,176
your

2404
01:29:02,711 --> 01:29:03,211
fucking

2405
01:29:03,587 --> 01:29:03,825
mood.

2406
01:29:04,622 --> 01:29:06,953
You can try your best, but you won't

2407
01:29:07,170 --> 01:29:07,670
succeed.

2408
01:29:10,288 --> 01:29:11,265
In the trans

2409
01:29:12,197 --> 01:29:13,412
future, we see

2410
01:29:16,094 --> 01:29:19,078
We'll keep you our you can't sleep.

2411
01:29:20,976 --> 01:29:22,195
Deck a.

2412
01:29:27,462 --> 01:29:30,263
It's just 1 chip behind your face.

2413
01:29:32,859 --> 01:29:36,075
And some parts below the we can replace.

2414
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,649
Progress leaves no hard to waste.

2415
01:30:18,287 --> 01:30:18,787
Your

2416
01:30:19,957 --> 01:30:21,093
powers grow.

2417
01:30:23,695 --> 01:30:26,279
While you run this loops and videos.

2418
01:30:31,996 --> 01:30:32,496
Flow.

2419
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:35,220
Increase

2420
01:30:42,457 --> 01:30:42,957
lights

2421
01:30:43,896 --> 01:30:44,396
inside

2422
01:30:46,134 --> 01:30:47,113
your head.

2423
01:30:47,811 --> 01:30:48,311
Forever

2424
01:30:57,158 --> 01:30:58,292
to fix you

2425
01:30:58,824 --> 01:31:00,094
the people that first get it,

2426
01:31:00,966 --> 01:31:03,054
should have us a massive advantage

2427
01:31:03,585 --> 01:31:05,194
over people don't have it yet.

2428
01:31:06,153 --> 01:31:07,851
Well, I guess, it's kind of thing where

2429
01:31:07,911 --> 01:31:09,429
your productivity would improve,

2430
01:31:10,388 --> 01:31:13,185
I don't, dramatically like back 10 with it.

2431
01:31:13,425 --> 01:31:13,925
So

2432
01:31:14,557 --> 01:31:15,854
you could definitely just,

2433
01:31:16,549 --> 01:31:16,868
you know,

2434
01:31:18,381 --> 01:31:19,975
I don't know, they gotta learn and do

2435
01:31:19,975 --> 01:31:20,475
it

2436
01:31:21,345 --> 01:31:22,222
money back real fast.

2437
01:31:23,180 --> 01:31:24,139
Just super part.

2438
01:31:25,496 --> 01:31:26,853
When do you think you're gonna do?

2439
01:31:27,890 --> 01:31:28,768
How long will you weigh?

2440
01:31:44,237 --> 01:31:45,675
Our big dream.

2441
01:31:47,041 --> 01:31:48,414
A new phase,

2442
01:31:49,344 --> 01:31:49,844
a

2443
01:31:50,853 --> 01:31:51,353
for

2444
01:31:52,362 --> 01:31:52,862
human,

2445
01:31:55,549 --> 01:31:56,921
a big dream,

2446
01:31:58,323 --> 01:31:59,695
a new vase

2447
01:32:01,176 --> 01:32:01,390
still

2448
01:32:07,221 --> 01:32:08,197
big dream

2449
01:32:10,013 --> 01:32:10,990
new face,

2450
01:32:11,923 --> 01:32:13,377
a hard mindful

2451
01:32:13,753 --> 01:32:14,253
holly

2452
01:32:15,026 --> 01:32:15,526
human

2453
01:32:16,219 --> 01:32:16,719
rays.

2454
01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:19,512
A big dream,

2455
01:32:20,917 --> 01:32:22,289
a new face.

2456
01:32:23,773 --> 01:32:24,145
Stand