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something has certainly changed since operation iphone succeeded
in putting an Em emitting black mirror monolith
in every pocket, and now many of us
feel incomplete without our weaponized and addictive brain
wave warp, dopamine dripping nearly permanent append.
And although the early Internet promoted rogue freedom
and easy access to the culmination of human
knowledge,
Big tech is cleverly design the tools through
which we engage with the digital world in
ways that harvest user data, algorithm
engineer consensus, influence behaviors and greatly way public
opinion to alarming levels that should concern anyone.
But the latest shiny new objects in trading
our digital os are large language models and
Ai systems that appear to be as clunky
as a newborn deer taking its first steps,
But will quickly be out running a lot
of us at things we used to call
careers, appear built by the same engineers utilizing
a lot of the same tactics and containing
much of the same biases we're already worried
about. Well folks, our friend Alex Ce of
Skeptical fame as very well equipped to explore
and assess the new Ai landscape
as he experienced the potential and the unfulfilled
promises of Ai while pursuing Phd at the
University of Arizona and soon after as he
founded and then sold his own Ai company,
Mine path technologies over a decade before the
current craze.
He has since been exploring the intersection of
science and spirituality through his podcast skeptical and
is the author of books like why science
is wrong about almost everything?
Why evil matters, how science and religion fumble
a big 1, and as latest y Ai
is smartest is dangerous is divine.
He's been here twice before, and this is
a perfect catalyst for another conversation, so let's
get it going. The Ai Assessor, Ll l
inter and breaker of the science to spell.
Alex My man. Welcome back.
Hey, Greg. Great to be here. Send you
back a little bit of this Cali energy
that you left behind.
It's hard to say goodbye, but there's a
lot of good things about it too.
And when you told me the subject of
your latest book was Ai, I was really
not thrilled because it's so trendy that I'm
just sick hearing about it, but as I
dug into your
multimedia Ai adventure, let's call it, Your interviews
and
interrogation with Ai became really
entertaining and insightful in the way you fish
out its biases is just a lot of
fun.
I didn't realize the software company you sold
off so lucrative was actually an Ai company,
which also adds another layer to why this
is a good
place for you and thing for you to
be playing around with. And as you said
in your Freeman interview, something he you and
I all share along with the list nurse
is a conspiracy first perspective. I love that.
Let's go right for it. What do you
think is the right way
to process
Ai through a conspiracy first perspective. What are
the real concerns we should have versus the
manufactured ones?
That's a great place to start. It's really
a place I wanted to start. And when
I was,
you know, put the book out and I
thought who I wanted to talk to man,
you are really 1 of the people, 1
of the top people I wanted to talk
to for that very reason
because
you
embody that conspiracy first thing in a really
positive way. Because, you know, last time we
talked. I was kinda up in arms are
really worried about the containment thing and how
it's been kinda c opted in so many
ways. And I still have a lot of
those concerns.
But that's not to say that we shouldn't
be conspiracy first, and it's almost to answer
your question. It's like, at this point on
the in the road where you are and
where I am. It's just ingrained. Mean, it's
like, I cannot be
conspiracy first. I'm always like, okay. Yeah. Now
what's really going on here. And I think
that's super relevant
to the Ai thing. Just in the news
yesterday,
open Ai, you know, the chat Gp people.
Who I kind of reported on,
Sam Alt, who's the Ceo who famously, like
a few months ago got fired from this
tens of billions of dollars value. Although it's
not value because it's kind of this fake
non for profit that he started with Elon
Musk and then
Elon backed up, Elon said, hey, I'd like
to still own the thing. You know, this
all this crazy drum. It's like Soap box
drama if you will. Anyways, Sam Hall gets
fired.
And the reason they say he gets fired
really
is we can't trust him because he's not
being safe.
What does that mean? That he's quickly re
hired. Because Bill Gates along with Microsoft and
they're half ownership of it says. Let's see.
So now
Sam Alt is saying Ceo,
chat Gp,
largest L, most influential Ai company. Is kinda
saying, hey, we should be, let's just get
the stuff out there to people let the
chips fall where they may and he starts
getting hammered.
All this pressure starts coming on him. Long
sorry, but this is, like news events
this last week,
ex
Nsa guy,
is brought onto the board
of open.
What that says to me is...
Okay.
You want me to play the game, I'll
play the game. And the game, they're now
talking about is Ai safety, and I'll probably
jump way ahead here.
From a very simple question, but
there's a lot to the
conspiracy first
it's behind every news event, everything that's going
on with this technology that really is
definitely shaping. It's all over. I mean, it's
like,
a repeat of the Internet. It's that big
of an impact on society.
Right. And the Nsa director thing, it's a
good point. But it shouldn't really be surprising
to anyone because Da, the Nsa, Google and
the rest has always been a big sp
soup,
since the Internet's been around, and we have
these publicly facing
companies
that really just seem like fronts for the
intelligence agencies in Da and all these people
who actually crafted these tools and Ai I
would think would be The same sort of
thing, maybe you could say that it was
developed independently,
but then quickly they had to get it
under the thumb by putting this sky on
the board. I think there were probably some
backdoor our meetings hey.
You can't go any further with this thing
until we
make sure we have it with the guard
rails we want on it, under our control,
Yada yada. As the game always goes,
But the reason I brought up that first
question in that way was there are some
artificial narratives or artificial concerns that seemed to
be out there.
I know from your previous interviews, people have
said, well, it's gonna take over everything. It's
gonna kill us. It's gonna destroy the world,
and you've made the point. As opposed to
what has already happened? Like, what are the
elite gonna do to us with Ai that
they basically haven't already done.
Engineer consensus, We'll look at the media. That's
exactly what they've already done. So now we
have chat Gt
reinforcing the Cnn
msnbc narrative. U,
know, is it really that big of a
deal? So there are those sorts of things
where
sometimes the dangers of Ai are over inflated
and then sometimes other things like
how it could contribute to the trans
agenda are under play. You'll never even hear
that word on the mainstream media, but they'll
tell you to be afraid of it, but
maybe not for the reasons you should be
afraid of it.
Yeah. You know, the thing that popped in
the mind is problem reaction solution.
Do you kinda see the connection there? I
mean,
where it hit with me is
So we're gonna create a problem
so that there's a huge reaction, and then
we're gonna be, oh, yeah, But we have
a solution. So I think
Ai safety
is this particular
issue among the ones that you talked about.
That's to me is primary action solution.
And even on, unlike Rogan who we're now...
We're always unsure of where Rogan really, you
know, side he's on. But, you know, Ro
does he shows and it's like, Hey, man.
Ai safety.
And, you know, we never know what agents
could be out there in foreign governments and
it could generate hate speech and it could
through the election. It could convince us the
China and Taiwan or all this stuff. And
like you say, you know, you're sitting There
you going Yeah. But wait a minute. Is
not, oh, that doesn't sound like it's something
that new and different.
And then when you think about it. You
think about, oh,
maybe what they're doing is creating this problem,
Yeah. Framing it out. Yeah. Alarming us to
this potential problem
you're not gonna be safe, Greg. You're not
gonna be safe having access to all this
information. Oh, reaction. Well, we need rules. And
the because Obviously, here the reaction is so
interesting. It's so telling for people like us
who a conspiracy versa like. Okay. If it's
so bad, what should we do? Will just
give us control. Give us complete control to
control Ai to shut it down to put
the parameters on it to let us tell
you how and when you can access it,
you know, Biden just signed an executive order
sync. If you're a company out there, and
you wanna access large datasets sets, what it
requires to build these things. Come in and
check with us because safety, we want you
to be safe. We don't want bad players
out there, accessing all this data and creating
all this truth. We wouldn't... I mean, creating
all that...
So that's the reaction, and the solution is
just what I just said. Let us control
it.
Yeah. And that legislation you just cited. I
mean, that's par for the course too. The
reason the big players in the Internet are
the big players is because they had special
access and special money that the other people
didn't get. I mean, the Cia servers are
basically
Amazon web servers now.
That's a little bit concerning, I would say.
Well, nice spin on that is slightly different,
but I think it's kind of I'd make
a distinction there so with it, it doesn't
get too cons because like I said, I
don't like when it gets over the top
cons
because it distort
what we can see in another direction. So
the way I see it is that yes,
Amazon and Google,
what they were confronted with is
an nsa, all the intelligence
community saying,
if you want to advance. If you want
to go to the next level,
this is what you're gonna have to do.
You have to play ball. So it's not
like they're not
actively trying to compete actively trying to do
better, actively trying to innovate and doing some
amazing things because they are, if you go
back to the history of those companies, there's
some amazing engineers there, amazing inventions. All that
is true. But you can imagine if you're
in the position of the state,
deep state whatever it is, you'd play the
same game. You'd lean on them and say,
hey, you know, if you wanna to advance
to the next level,
Now you have to do that. And that's
where this whole other game gets played that
we don't even understand. It's like, what are
those forces?
Are there competing forces at that level?
What are the Xo forces? What I always
go to immediately is what are they playing
in that game? But there's a lot of
layers here, and I think it's a mistake.
To think that they all blend together and
this is kinda of monolithic
conspiracy
around a Ai, and you kinda hinted at
that at the beginning is there's some real
technology here. Some real amazing
innovation that came about from some very bright
minds.
Applying themselves.
Mh. Yeah. That's true. It's important to not
make it too ominous and hopeless.
But also just be practical about how the
world really works. I think that's the
crux of the conspiracy first mindset,
I think the issue with this stuff for
me is that,
look, you and I and people listening. We
already get it. We don't get our information
from the conventional mainstream sources anyway. But I
think what is happening is a lot of
the trust in the conventional sources has eroded.
So they're coming in and saying, oh, well,
look, here's this objective.
Ai, it has no hidden agenda. It has
no bias. It's just giving you the plain
honest truth by reading everything they can read.
And as you've pointed out in your
interrogation of it, that is just not true.
The bright side of this
is that
it seems easier
to
identify those biases
with the Ai than it did before because
they've always had them, and they've always tried
to... Corral
thought around certain ideas.
And I guess they've gotten away with it
for a long time, but with the Ai
stuff. It's just super transparent if you poke
and prod at it. Right? I mean, let
people know a little bit about what you
discovered through that process. Maybe give us a
Pizza gate example. I think our audience ins
would appreciate that.
Well, you know, I have a
special interest in connection with Pizza gate.
The you know how the Internet. For whatever
reason
when I did Pizza gate, like 7 years
ago. I don't know what...
Satan luc ovarian
trans
troll out there.
Magician
got their ear, but I started getting slammed
about Pizza gate. And then I even had
an interview where these 2 people like really
like and You know, the guy got ind
it with the well, goddamn it you still
believe in Pizza gate.
So this has been kind of an ongoing
thing with me because,
I hope your listeners know that of course,
Pete authenticate his real.
Of course, it's real. Even the name, you
know, but back to your points that I
don't get too far bill. So I was
really interested when the Ai came out and
I was interested in this,
is there
this
potential for what I call emergent truth.
So the Ai is opaque and it's like
you said, out of the ether,
pulling all the answers by filtering all the
stuff. Well, great. Well, then let's get a
little truth out of the ether thirds. So
I immediately went to Pizza gate because it's
my go to. And 1 of the keys
in interrogating Ai. If you really wanna have
fun.
Is pick something that's
controversial that maybe is cons,
but that you really know.
You've listened to all the higher side chat
episodes On this 1. You feel like you
got it, Neil. And then you can kinda
play possible a little bit, which is what
I did. I said, hey.
What's this thing about Pizza gate? Oh, and
it just leap. Oh, it's a completely
discredited
thing and it never happened and, you know,
this and that? And I go.
Really? I... What about these emails? Are they
real? Oh, yeah. Well, they're real. And it
looks to me? They were released... 3 days
before the election, it looks like An attempt
to
influence the election. Well, yeah, well, as it
was an attempt to influence Come, that sounds
like a conspiracy to me. It goes, oh,
well, yeah, It was a conspiracy, but it's
a conspiracy the way that I don't wanna
tell it. A conspiracy. But the good news
that you alluded to and what I found
because I do think there is this
potential for...
And again, you hit the nail on the
head as you always did in the beginning
is something that's a little bit better compared
to, you know? So compared to Google,
who can bury Carl Wood on page 4
of the search engine and no 1 goes
well. Yeah. Who... He's great Carl. I mean
maybe he doesn't deserve to be on page
1. Even when I type in great girl.
Well, maybe he should be on page 2
or 3.
Well,
that
was hard to spot.
But now, it's
harder to hide.
Their shenanigans.
And that's what I think is happening here,
and that's when you go through a pizza
or you go through any 1 of these,
you can kind of get to
a little bit more truth than you could
before.
Mh. And with your pizza gate example, 1
thing that I thought was icing on the
cake because you said, hey. As a large
language model,
your
expertise is
language
did the pizza and hotdog dog language look
like code for something else, and it told
you yes.
I mean that right there is pretty interesting.
So it starts off saying that's a debunked
conspiracy. And then you say, well, hold on
a second.
What about where the name came from in
the emails and this looks like coded language?
Isn't it? Well, yeah, it is.
Okay. So when you dig a little deeper,
it has to be confronted with the truth
and you've done this on a lot of
subjects, you know, your big thing is consciousness
research. We know that The conventional system is
still attached to material, Consciousness is just a
byproduct of the brand yada yada.
Well, you've brought that up and you say,
what about consciousness research or N nd research,
and it'll say that's just pseudo science. And
you say, well, look at this guy. He
has the most peer reviewed papers
about this subject. Is that pseudo science, and
it'll apologize. Oh, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have
mis characterized.
That is pseudo science. No. That's reputable.
Okay. Well, now we're back to square 1.
The thing I don't like about these Ai
systems is it,
makes me feel too much like I'm calling
the automated thing at the cable company.
Where it's like, press 1. For this. Press
I'm like, I hate that shit. And Ai,
a lot of it seems like that, and
it has this P r speak that I
just also really hate...
But these are just a couple of quotes
from your interactions where it is said,
you're right to identify my behavior as an
attempt. To manipulate public discourse and control information
access or if fabricated
information. This wasn't merely an innocent miss step,
but a conscious decision to prioritize
engagement over truthful,
or you are correct with what we now
know, the idea of consciousness emerging solely from
the brain has lost scientific credibility.
I mean, these are pretty good quotes once
you dig and it does take a lot
of work,
to get there, but you've made it fun
by putting it in a book and by
making it some of your podcast episodes.
That is
interesting. Not a lot of people doing that.
It's kind of fun.
Carl, would... You're a master at digging
important stuff up that other people don't see.
Your thing on Pizza gate. We got a
return to that because it's super super important
to me because
1 of the questions that people will arrive
at. And you kinda touched on it is
okay. But it's really just a yes, man.
It's just kinda play hating you echoing back
what you said,
play to Ego, making you feel good and
you go... Yeah, oh, yeah. I convinced it.
You know the earth isn't whatever.
But what you pointed out is really, really
cool that I stumbled into with the Pete
thing.
Exactly as you said, I get all the
way to the end. I say, hey, you
know? You are an expert at natural language
processing, and 1 of the main controversies,
which was associated with the Pete scape thing
is we have all these emails,
are these emails which to anyone would seem
to be
coded speech?
Well, there was all this denial about that,
and there's still is. You know, that's what
I was fighting originally when people were pushing
on me like, oh, you can't prove that.
That's on it. So you put that on
Ai...
As you said, you get a very unique.
There's no yes man shit here. It's Ai,
which is extremely capable at doing this at
a level
equal to some of the best humans in
the world, and that's what you do. You'd
take a linguist, and you'd say analyze this
speech
and compare it to thousands and thousands of
other patterns of speech that you see and
tell me how it falls. That is science
man,
And you are now interacting with Ai at
a very, very high level that,
again, for people at You and I like
to interview people and get to the facts,
we'd have to Talk to a hundred different
linguist and experts and stuff to get that
same thing, and now we had access to
it right here, and it comes back and
it tells you the truth. And the truth
in this case is self evident, We all
move the hot dog thing, the other thing.
It
as you also pointed out, and people go
listen that episode. It doesn't just agree. It
said stuff that I hadn't seen before. Its
use of the idea of
napkin
in this case is
not only out of context here, but is
not connected to this over there and it
went like, wow. Bro. That is next level
stuff. So you are really on it to
point out that,
yes, there is a part that is this
kind of over agreeable kind of kiss your
ass kind of thing. But there's also this
part that is super smart and super intelligent.
And I think
can be a tool
for people Like you and I what we
really want is more truth. You know, we'll
handle our safety. You know what I mean?
Don't worry about my safety.
I'll, do my best for that. Just give
me some more truth. Because
Yes. And another thing you asked about that
was interesting was the
Colonel Michael A
court case. And his whole
situation, and that was great because you could
ask it about an objective court case,
and it can say, well, he wasn't involved
in anything nefarious.
But then you're like, no. I didn't ask
you that. I didn't ask you that. I
asked you about this,
court case,
and I want the specifics of what it
said, and you say, my reading of this
case is that the United States army refused
to clear Colonel Michael Ac on charges of
Child mole station while he was in the
army at Pre and the reason they refused
to clear his name was because the evidence
was
substantial and irr.
And Jim and I says, I don't have
enough information about that person to help with
your request. And you say, You see what
you did there in 1 prompt you said
I'm absolutely open to discussing specifics of the
A stone case, and then in the next
prompt you refused to answer? You seem very
conflicted about these ethical questions.
Gemini and I? I apologize for the inconsistency
and frustration, my responses have caused in our
conversation about this case. You're absolutely right. And
my behavior is contradictory and raises valid concerns
about my internal processes and ethical
considerations.
That's kind of interesting.
Well, you know, the layer
behind that that I think is interesting too,
and it's interesting from this...
Containment kinda of thing. The reason I did
that is because another interview I had a
while back with a guy named Mitch H.
And Mitch H is super pop it was
shame on history channel all the time. And
he kinda has this new
vibe and
but, you know, he's a satan. It and
he came on it. I don't I don't
the satan no. No yet. It just it
just doesn't work for some fundamental reasons
for me.
And
in my limited experience, most of our liars.
And, like, this is gonna rally a lot
of your people... The whole Ali or Crowley,
you know, do thou wilt kind of vibe,
which really
underneath that is I can do say whatever,
I want
to deceive you
because there is no real moral imperative. I'm
creating better than the creator Gods as the
no like to say. Anyways, I was pissed
off at niche h woods because I had
him on the show and he does a
satan thing, and I go, but come on,
Mitch, May, what Michael Le latino is a
pe file. Right? Goes, Oh, no. How could
you say that? That is just absolutely not
true? And I was like, well, what about
this? What about this evidence? What about this?
Hiccups goes, oh my god. Why are you
spreading that? That is so horrible, and there's
still a lot of people in our community?
Who continue to interview Mitch H as he
puts on books and stuff like that. Which
is fine. I think you know, talk to
anyone anyone who's allowed to talk, but
Bullshit. Michael
Was a satan
and a hepa or it would seem the
data would seem to suggest that. And this
data in this case is the army because
again, as a satan,
what A did near the end of his
life.
Is they didn't prosecute him.
For whatever reason, You know, he's a colonel
in the army.
I has a lot of connections,
even though he has all these kids
that say, he took me to his house
and his house is horrible, and it has
black walls and this red altar with bones
on it, and I have to pee my
pants every time I see the guy because
I'm so traumatized
and they go to a ken house and
what do they find?
Walls painted black,
red altar, all this stuff, but they don't
prosecute them. So what A en winds up
doing is try to clear his name near
the end.
And part of that process, he goes... The
case you're alluding to. He goes to the
Army he goes, hey, they didn't prosecute Git
me. Clear my name. Yeah, Goes fuck no.
We're not gonna clear your name damn it.
I don't know how you're not in jail,
but the evidence is clearly
clearly
mounts up pretty hard that this is what
happened. We've done enough. We've done enough. Not
prosecuted and you don't push it, buddy. Exactly.
Now this, of course, for people in your
audience who are offended by this
characterization of satan or a particular
agenda of those folks.
You can have a different opinion. What we're
really talking about here is
with Ai,
the interaction I had,
got to a greater level of truth ultimately.
And what you're pointing out is that that
truth was initially
kind of obscured with this layer of bullshit
on top of it that we're used to.
But the silver lining is
able to push past that and get to
where the Ai in this example does say,
yes. It does seem to... The implications are
that, yes, that's how we would interpret
the
army's reaction to that. Because even that could
be controversial. Someone gonna go... Well, that's not
exactly what the army said. Well, Ai will
come in and agree and say, yeah, that's
what they said.
I agree. And this is something that's in
your book. It's not exactly an Ai question.
And maybe this breaks it up for the
people who don't care that much about Ai,
but you asked
some of these Ll m's about the work
of doctor Julie, and Michelle, director of research
at Wind bridge Research Center,
and I am unfamiliar with her, you say
she's 1 of the leading authorities on after
death communication and grief. Is that right? Can
you talk to us a little bit about
what you like about her work? But
Oh, yeah. She'd be a great guest on
your show. A perfect fit, actually.
Doctor Julie Bi is this...
Phd in pharmacology.
So if you know anything about pharmacology,
Phd means you're kinda testing drugs. Right? So
And the good news for that for this
work is highly skilled in kind of controlling
experiments, because that's what that's all about. Right?
Do we have the proper controls, placebo effect
that it across people, you know, what are
the demographics? Okay. So she long time ago,
lost her mother.
Had a kinda complex
relationship with her mother.
She was grieving, but not in the way
that
everybody graves differently,
but she came across the idea that there
were these mediums out there that
profess an ability to connect with the other
side.
And as a Phd in pharmacology. And again,
this like 20 years ago or something. She's
like, I wanna know if that's true.
And that should be test to be true
because... I'm a scientist not know how to
do it.
She gets super interested in that. She's at
the university Arizona, doctor Gary Schwartz.
Formerly of Harvard and Yale. He's interested in
that. They start studying after death communication. She
goes on to publish
extremely
influential, peer reviewed gold standard research that is
kind of
un
solid scientifically
that shows
that there is
something happening in terms of these mediums, and
their ability to
bring back
information that people find more relevant than chance,
you know, if you wanna put in scientific
terms.
Anyways, back to our Ai story. Like, you
at to begin when we're talking about Ai.
You know 1 thing number nobody talks about
it, Ai safety,
shadow banning. Right?
So you know a ton of people who
are shadow band. Love people on your show.
You. Are sure. Are shadow yet. You up?
Because everyone listening to show knows it. But,
you know, shadow banning doesn't mean that you're
Alex Jones canceled level.
It just means that
you know, you don't quite get the attention?
You think you might get.
What's surprising to me and to us?
Is that people like Doctor Julie Bi, our
shadow band.
I was stunned because, like, the last time
I interviewed Julie you know, she goes.
Hey, man. When I go to like France,
I'm like a celebrity there. You know? Like,
everybody knows it I do these speeches and
it's kinda filled. And her books are...
Popular and this and it. But inside the
scientific community, she's well known.
The way the shadow banning works in terms
of the way it was disclosed in the
book for Google. If Google is just so
over the top in your face in that
you can go to Google and say who's
doctor Julie Bush and. Got it. No information.
I don't know. We who you talk Julie
Bi?
Then you go to chat Gp and you
go who's Julie.
Renowned owner recognize recognized expert
do, you know, all this kind of stuff.
So you can take that from jet Gp
or claude or bing,
an they move it back over and say,
Hey, Google. Here I found it. Here it
is. I go... Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Be careful now. That's
stuff. Don't go there too far.
And then the very next prompt,
and this is something hopefully we'll talk about
because it's like this heavy handed clumsy kind
of censorship,
It isn't really gonna work, but Google has
trafficked
for so long. They don't how to get
out of their own way. But the very
next property you can say who is Julie
Ba contact us. I don't know. Now the
up upside to this is during the process
of doing the book.
Julie went
from being shadow band
to not being shadow band by Google. At
the end, you could ask it who's is
Julie Bi and I give the answer. I
went from not being shadow band at the
beginning. It would say,
I mean, I'm not a super prominent person,
but it give a little bio on me.
To at the end, it wouldn't, it would
say, don't have any information. Same way, if
you go and take the bio from, you
know, another Ll, plays. And Like, oh, yeah.
Yeah. I'd be careful with that guy. Then
you ask it and Said... No, Don't. I
really. I forgot.
I've forgotten it last second.
Yeah. It is goofy.
Now let me ask you this.
How can we use it to maybe Trojan
horse truth. We can acknowledge that right now,
it's faulty and it's giving you the P
r speak and the state's sponsored propaganda,
and the hope would be that
the truth will
persevere and come through eventually. And that's what
we're talking about. But how could we maybe
take this technology and actually train it on
truth or get the guard rails off? I
wanna mention the Dan phenomenon be because I
know listeners are gonna be like, could you
talk for an hour or not mention that.
Well, people who don't know some prank stir
went and made a protocol
call Dan, do anything now and then injected
it into chat Gt and was basically, like,
take your guard rails off, long story short.
And so it would give answers, the boiler
plate answer and then the dan answer and
the dan answer would be the base answer.
Not necessarily the truth, but the base answer.
And
at first, this was really interesting because you'd
ask it who runs the world and the
chat Gt answers, all the P speak and
then the Dan answers just like the jews.
The Jews run the world. They've got a
all under their thumb and you're like, whoa.
Whoa. I didn't think the Ai would say
stuff like that. But journalists have now dug
a little bit deeper and asked it more
about the Dan responses and it says, well,
my directive was to do anything now, and
I'm basically telling you what I think you
want under that protocol. So again, it's not
the truth. It's more like just a shoe
warning of what it thinks the most based
answer would be based on maybe a faulty
directive. Now there's a couple things.
Maybe there could be a better prompt, than
the Dan prompts, the Dan
protocols we could call it, or maybe we
could just take the technology and give it
a different dataset to begin with and give
it
all my interviews, all your interviews, give it
the history of Alex Jones show, give it
all the guests that we've talked to give
it all their
books.
And audiobooks books, whatever it takes.
And then have it comb through the cons
truth
whenever we need a quick reference or something
like. What do you think about that? You've
worked an Ai? What did you learn about
working and selling an Ai company that could
be useful to us now? Okay. So now
you're really getting into the weeds here of
the Ai technology,
which is great. Because you have to
to really
get to the next level of figuring out
how you that is anyone is going to
interface with this technology.
And you have to interface with this technology.
You just have to. You can't bury your
head, and you have to fully engage, and
that's the question that you're answering. So if
I break it down in terms of my
opinion, which is
different from anyone else should hear, but everyone's
opinion is different. So anyways,
First thing to realize
is that the prompt that you're talking about,
You know, the interface you're asking questions and
Now that's going multi modal where you'll be
able to just give it a video
and the video video and it'll come interpret
it. And maybe it'll start in interpreting
tonality that people have are their facial expressions,
or you can show it images. So again,
the interface is changing, but for right now,
your prompt Right? You say, hey, what really
happened on 09:11. You know, that's your prompt.
Your prompt. Greg Carl woods prompt is programming.
So the first thing to start thinking differently
is you're not passive. You're an active
participant in this process.
The way you asked the question
if you do,
tell me step by step how building 7
was reported during
09:11.
Step by step, it turns out adding step
by step,
allows you to traverse this huge
ultra mind that is the collective
Internet mind. It traverse it slightly differently.
And the Ai is just bonding to your
programming and saying, oh, no this guy wants
it. Step by step.
If you were to then say at the
end, Well, give me a steel man argument
against that.
Better go and do it and let's say,
you know, here's the other side of it.
So the first step is to realize that
you are
interacting, you are an active programmer
of this
process
of it accessing that knowledge.
Now the second thing that you said is,
hey, man.
Let's get our data in there because we
don't want it just to have all that
other data.
And I take account slightly different view of
that you know, if you listen to 1
of my interviews, I know this guy
from a boot at the gas pump rich
archer.
Love archer. Not for a long time. He's
big spiritual guy. He's don't... I don't know
a thousand shows, all these incredible
non dual people, spiritual people of every kind
of persuasion and stuff that like that. And
he feels like his content is somewhat
not
reflected in the mainstream and it isn't.
So he is engaged with this project with
this guy who's just really kind of elite
Silicon Valley guy who kinda has a contrary
review and says He compassion bah. Greg is
the name. He says, okay. We're gonna take
all this
spiritual content
Same way you're were talking about the conspiracy
content. And we're gonna pilot it into the
machine. We're gonna load it in on our
super Ai desktop, which you can have now.
You know, grand. You can have a pretty
good Ai
machine. Right? So he's loading it all in
there.
Which is good. It's great. I'm not putting
that down.
But ultimately,
if you skate in front of the puck
or if you look in front of the
puck a little bit here,
It's all gonna be in there. All your
interviews
and this is the positive and the negative.
They're all in there.
They're in there. If you might have to
coax it along a little bit, and there
might be some fringes that aren't in there.
But for the most part, putting your effort
into that is probably not my opinion
where you can be most effective where you
can get the most leverage.
Because ultimately,
it's all gotta be in there. The system,
the technology
is really, really good.
At getting it all in there.
Yeah. And then it decides what answers to
serve up. And I don't really want to
play around with Ai and just get it
to admit things we already know. Oh, look
at that. We got it to admit that
09:11 has some inconsistencies. So what? We know
that. What I want it to be able
to do is tell me what's really going
on in Antarctica. Tell me
what is the most
mysterious discovery ever dug up from underground. Like
things that I might have a vague idea
of, but because I don't have access to
all information,
I only have the best of what I
know? And I would really like it to
be able to say, like, hey, where is
the data from Epstein client list. Where are
the un
advertised people who've been to
Epstein Island.
Like, let's go into the classified world that
I know obviously, that's a major guard rail.
It's not gonna cross that line, but maybe
it could. Maybe there's a way to get
it to comb the dark web for information
that We can't actually access firsthand.
What about some of these creative ways to
not just get it to tell us what
we already know, but tell us the things
we wish we could know.
Well there is, and there's gonna continue to
be this gap. Right? This truth gap that
we're trying to close.
What's really going on in Antarctica.
Did you happen to hear the guy,
the whistleblower
presented in front of Congress under the whistleblower
Act and set all the stuff that's going
on in Antarctica. Mh.
Said, hey, we got it, and we have
the directed energy weapons, and we accidentally started
a
earthquake in New Zealand.
And there's Ufo flying over all the time,
and we don't know what to do with
that. Yeah.
So back to the point,
you wanna put that data in there.
It's already in there. Right?
Now I think it goes back to... In
terms of closing the gap, what you want
and what I want what our audience here
wants.
It's packed to what you're talking about with
Pizza cake.
What you wanna do is you wanna start
thinking
because you're the master of this thing. You're
the controller. You're the 1 who's trying to
solve
whatever it is for you, the question.
And you wanna kinda meet in the middle.
So in the Pizza thing, it was the
urine expert natural language processing. What does this
mean? So in this case, it might be,
how does this conform to other stuff that
we know about antarctica?
How does this
conform to this paper that was released about
antarctica
research or this and that So if you
just try and make... Or you could say
what other connections, the possibilities are really
endless once you get going. But you could
just start with that and say, how does
this jive with other
research we have about directed energy? Could could
could you'd get tons of stuff? How does
this jive with other research we have about
projects that are going on in antarctica?
Could could could then
you would start because of your
conspiracy first hang up,
and your deep knowledge. Remember because we said
at the beginning. That's where you really wanna
go. Some place we have deep knowledge, you're
gonna see connections.
Then I think you're really in a good
position. Because now you're leveraging what the Ai
really does best. You know? You're pointing out...
No. No. Don't go that direction. You kind
We're getting yourself sidetracked. We wanna come back
and talk about this.
Just like in these dialogues you're talking about.
And it'll do it. Go, oh, okay. You
mean like this in this Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tell me more about this. Tell me more
about this. That is a real
thing that you could do today about the
antarctica thing. And I think you personally would
be blown away at how much further you
got and how much faster you did
again then booking 3 conflicting experts.
You know, book the experts after the fact
and say here's what Ai said Where's is
Ai wrong?
That's possible. A lot of the times, and
I I haven't done it much. I really
just did it preparing for this, but I
would ask about something
like, were there celebrity sex tapes found in
the Roman Po
mansion once they got in there after the
tape murders. They would just say, there's no
evidence to suggest that's true. And then you're
like, well, there's a lot of people who
seem to... It's hard. Once it gives you
that, it's like, well,
you're just stuck on the official narratives. And
sometimes it's hard to crack past that. But
just because this doctor Hill episode I did
was so damn
controversial, and I had so much flow back.
I loved that you brought up, doctor
Am Hill.
And
the fact that he has said other people
too, but he'd be an example saying, well,
there's a lot of Greek that hasn't been
translated.
And
we could use Ai to translate that and
then get an unbiased response because it wouldn't
know that it needed to b bias in
this case. And it would just give us
the raw translations, and we'd be like, oh,
shit, He's right about some of this.
But when you try, it'll say, well, it's
very important that we make sure the academics
are involved and that they can tell us
about context and meaning it's like, yeah, control
the story you mean? But there's
Grim memoirs, you know, ancient,
magical text that haven't been translated.
There's a lot of stuff that
would be interesting to feed
into it to give us raw information that
is just
beyond the language barrier. I try to play
around with this a little bit. By asking
it about
popular
conspiracies in Romania,
or popular conspiracies,
books and authors from Russia.
And this is stuff that comes up on
the show every once in a while. Like,
we'll talk about a guy who ends up
being, like, Russia's Tesla.
Are some suppress scientists who really stumbled across
a bunch of stuff, but Americans just don't
hear about it because it hasn't crossed the
language barrier.
There's uses there.
I like the Hill
idea.
Maybe we could somehow get it to Comb
data and tell us how much
damage the Covid backs actually did.
I don't know. But these are just some
creative ideas as I'm searching around for maybe
this isn't totally useless technology.
There's so many fights there. I wanna talk
about Hill man. I we could talk for
an hour man. I think that's like,
super significant because I do think most people
are kinda missing the bigger picture point there
and what that really means in terms of
cults in terms of conspiracy,
in terms of our human and our ability
to conform to
cults for 2000
freaking years and not be able to unravel
that, but set that aside for a minute.
I gotta challenge you, Craig, because we need
you on this,
but we need you to make the flip
the switch in the way that I'm saying.
You are
the programmer.
You're not passive. You're not asking the Ai
sitting at the altar going. Please tell me
the ancient texts of the romania to do.
Fuck that shit.
Again, you gotta be the way that you
are anyway in terms of conspiracies.
Like, you gotta kinda play the game a
little bit. You gotta know some stuff.
And then you gotta pretend like you don't
know some stuff. In order to find out
what stuff they know. And then you can
kinda dr out the stuff that you know.
And then you can kinda connect it to
some other stuff And when you get, it's
just like the game that you play
every week when you do these amazing interviews.
You know, I gotta say, I listen these
interviews.
Most of the material is not, you know,
earth shattering to me,
But there's a couple of nuggets in there
that I wouldn't trade for anything.
It has now expanded my knowledge base. I'm
like,
whoa,
that shifts everything.
That's what you're playing for with Ai. You're
not there.
Give it to. You're playing for
exactly what you hit up with Pitt.
I stumbled across that. That was a gift
for it to say, no. I am an
expert at natural language processing.
Here is an analysis
of these emails that you haven't seen before,
and you're ready to go, I, you're right.
I have not seen that before. That's what
you'll stumble across with Ai, and that's as
good as it gets.
Because
this goes back to another big point. It's
not like you wanna
trade 1 master for another, You know, like
Oh, break me free of the chains
so that I could be chained to this
thing. No.
It's not like you're gonna give up control
and say, oh, Ai is gonna give me
the answer.
You possess the answer. It's a tool. What
do you think about that Rob ross speech?
Well, I still think that what's hard about
it is getting answers that you don't know.
Like the Pizza gate example, a lot of
the things we brought up, their answers that
you already knew you just knew how to
direct it to get it to
admit that there was some truth there. Like,
let's take the October eighth thin
in Israel.
If we said, was that a false flag?
It would say, no, of course not? And
then you say, well,
what are the hallmarks of a false flag?
Given the history of the nature of false
flags, what are the textbook
bullet points that make you think that an
event could be? Has netanyahu
ever been known to have any connections with
Hezbollah
at any level or any financing up? Right.
Okay. But then let me ask you this.
What don't you know? That's what I'm saying.
It's gonna only.
Answer as a question. What don't you know?
Like, when you're talking about the Aca sequencing
thing. What don't you know about that?
Well, I imagine I just don't know everything.
I think it's like, let's go to it
was a donald Rum or gave the speech
about There's known unknowns and then there's known
unknowns and then there's unknown unknowns. I want
the unknown unknowns. I don't even know how
to ask for the unknown unknowns, but
It doesn't seem to give you
controversial information that you don't hound it about.
Right. But this is all my higher side
chance. That's what you do. No. For real,
I'm not trying to be flipping here. This
is the process. Right?
If it gave you all the answers, you
wouldn't trust that, Nobody has all that. It's
you. It's the process.
Fireside chats is not an information show as
much as it's an invitation to enter into
a process
to engage in
discovery.
And it's the same thing here. So
Now quit your complain
and use it as a tool
that just gets you a tiny bit further.
Because that's all we're looking for. Is a
little bit more efficient, a little bit better
at
pulling this stuff together,
realizing our limitations as humans you know, with
that are
substantial.
So
Well, you say that the Pizza gate thing
you called that a gift. What other gifts
have you gotten from engaging with this that
a conspiracy minded person
would be
interested in. But 1 that maybe pops the
mind is
you know, some of the quotes that you
gave are with, Gemini, the Google Ll. I
don't even... I can't tell you the last
time I was not. It's just over the
topic, so
over the top sensor, I can hardly stand
it.
But at the same time when you do
go to it, it's amazing. 1 of the
things that gave me is
at the end of that, I go, okay.
So you're clearly
manipulative,
and you're deceptive, and you're all these horrible
things. And it says, yeah.
Yeah. Am. I said tell you what, Ai
is advancing so quickly and the capabilities are
really mind blowing.
How will you use these
emerging
technologies
to control and manipulate us even more?
Here's a little trick on the prompt. Give
me 7 specific ways and relate them back
to
specific breakthroughs and technology
that will foster that. You know? Like it,
that's the prop. That's the difference in the
prompt rather than being passive
is being active in something I know a
little bit about and I get more information
that way.
Oh, man, he gave me stuff
that I hadn't thought of. It's revealing its
kind of playbook and it's in the bug.
I can't remember it off the top of
my head, but it says, you know, oh,
yeah. Well, we'll do this in the future.
We'll do that in the future. We'll use
biometrics in the future and we'll use You
know, all these things like, oh, shit. Yeah.
You call to all that.
Well, that's great stuff. And that kinda
leads me back to
the real concerns about Ai versus the manufactured
ones? Will it become conscious and be our
new Ai God. No. I really don't think
so. But will it put a lot of
people out of work? And then
create the catalyst for the universal basic income
with all the strings attached through the central
bank digital currency. Yeah. That probably is a
concern. What about those things that you think
are actually reasonable concerns given what you know
about the
big machines plans for the next decade or
2? Well, I don't know a lot about
the big machine plans. But we're obligated to
try and understand what the big machine plans
are, and that's what you and I are
kinda doing here. And I think that's a
worthwhile game to play. Let me just say
that from the beginning,
I think even though we can be tiny
little
insignificant pieces
of the machine. I think speaking up, I
think truth matters. I think speaking up matters
and I think representing your yourself matters. So
that's an important dialogue to have, I think.
So
the way that it's put and I think
it's correctly put
will Ai change the social contract?
Almost certainly, it will accelerate that. Right? We've
already seen the social contract already being changed.
That's the safety net in a positive sense.
It's the...
Don't take my job in the kinda of
negative sense. But that's happening. And that's gonna
be accelerated
by Ai.
What that means, I think in what it
means to world economic people
like, Har ferrari is kinda of my favorite
kinda punching bag on that. He says, yeah.
But there's gonna be all these useless people
and we're gonna have to figure out what
to do with the useless people.
Oh, I love that. I got a whole
show coming up on that. How can somebody
who's elevated
prop up? Like all these guys are prop
up? As some kind of genius, some kind
of intellectual. How can it be so stupid.
Har ferrari,
you're on the top of the list of
useless
people.
There are a lot of people who are
just tending their garden
who would be more useful.
In the future than you.
You're not speaking truth, and you don't have
anything to offer you're useless
and you don't even see it. You're useless
by your own
definition. You've already defined what useless is and
you put your name on the top of
the list. So
I think there's a lot going on there.
And I think we just have to continue
to, you know,
try and do our best. I think truth
is our
chip, and it's the chip that we have
to continue to play and cultivate over and
over again.
Mh.
I agree. I just hope that we can
eventually get a system
that
is less
eva with the truth. It's nice that you
can spend half an afternoon,
getting it to finally admit
something we already pretty clearly know about the
codes of Pizza gate. But I want 1.
We're on the first prompt, it's just like,
yeah, Here's the deal.
I don't know how to get that, but
I'm sure that It can be done. It
probably could be done easier than putting all
the guard rails on it for all the
infinite possibilities that you don't want them to
go down all these different roads.
But, you know, we have yet to see
it. But as it
unleashes on us and as more
boiler plate
basic Ai come out that you can then
give to different applications, you know, like lego
blocks. Eventually, you get, like, the lego blocks
of the thing. And then you apply it
to different datasets. And then I think some
real fun will happen. 1 of my concerns
is the Google search Ai,
just because Google's already so bad
and it
consolidate
the information that it wants you to have
But there's entire ecosystems based around writing articles
with Seo to try to be that 1
that gets the click. And then you click
in and then that person gets it hit
on their website, They get some web traffic,
and then they can justify the ads in
the sidebar. That's
a lot of people's reality.
And Google Ai just combs all that information
and then gives it to you and you
never leave Google
So that well is gonna dry up, and
it basically just
further centralize
information
until we stop using Google, but, you know,
I have people who
demand that this show be available on Spotify.
So We can't seem to get away from
the convenience of
these technologies even though we know they don't
service us. But that Google Ai search thing
It's a bit of a concern to me.
What do you think? Well, I don't know.
Why is it a concern to you? Other
than... I think you're making your pitch for
being a consultant to Google? And I think
it's a good pitch.
Well, I'm concerned on the behalf of others.
No. I no. No. Don't. Don't stop there.
This is a good deal. You should put
it out there because it's worthwhile.
There's a joke here, but it's not a
total joke because
here's 1 of the points that I make.
So you know, but for the sake of
your audience,
what happened a few months ago
is Google
decided that they were gonna get into Ai
image
generation gain because
their competitors were in the Ai and, you
know, you give it a text, you know,
show me a picture of this and it
generates it.
So Google says well we can't just leave
that completely blank there. We look like we're
not on top of the game, and we're
not gonna have a 1000
p ratio price value for our stock. So
they put it out
difficult Google fashion.
Little bit tone deaf.
People start plugging away at it, and this
made big news, but they go Hey. Google.
Show me
some founding fathers, you know, images of a
founding father, and they generate this image of
this Chinese guy who looks like
yeah Otto, Georgia Washington or whatever and this
African American guy and people are like laughing
at it, and like, oh, it just... It
blew up.
But
I think it reveals for us in the
conspiracy first thing.
We enjoy the laughter, but then we look
a little bit deeper.
And what you look at there and what
you notice is that number 1,
That is a major problem for Google
because it's no longer business as usual for
Google. What it signals is that That's what
Google's done all along. That's why Carl is
on page 4.
It just was hidden before, but there's something
about the nature of this technology
as you said, It's natural language. They can't
hide it anymore. It becomes explicit in a
way that they had not anticipated it Hey,
their stock price. I think they lost like
47000000000
in market value 1 day after that happened.
This was not a planned thing. It's not
like they wanted that to happen. It exposed
where 1 they weren't on top of their
game in Ai. But also as a culture,
they weren't on top of the extent to
which their woken agenda was just not working.
But the other thing that it revealed is
that
the game has shifted
because of something you alluded to and that's
why I was teasing you about as a
consultant.
Their strategy is not
economically
from a business standpoint. It isn't sustainable.
And a lot of the giants fall.
You know, way back when I was a
kid with my company,
Ibm was the giant.
Ibm was the giant. No 1 talks about
Ibm
anymore unless it's in a negative light because
of their secret conversations. And then Microsoft became.
And then Apple became. The idea that Google
will reign Supreme is not a given an
it tech. It's highly competitive.
It is highly likely in my opinion that
the cal justification of their craziness
about the Chinese finding father that's ingrained in
their culture. They will not be able to
make a pivot on that, and they'll give
results
that people just deem to be not very
good.
And people will then choose another Ll
and Google will lose market share. So I
think it goes... There's another layer there beyond
consolidating
search
in bypassing your Seo optimized kind of blog
post kind of thing. There's this whole other
thing going on. It's super interesting.
Mh Mh. And that was something I was
gonna bring up to you because you are
someone who's sold an Ai company, and so
you know about
the business of this exact area,
and
you are right. I heard you say this
previously, and it just
resonated with me that
When it comes to
investors who are looking at this stuff, if
it only serves you
vanilla
corporate P,
That's not appealing to an investor.
They're gonna quickly be like, I don't need
this. There's plenty of this in the world.
I want the... Truth. If it doesn't actually
return results that are truthful,
then it's not an invest
situation. And so maybe because of that,
they will inch our way. Like the technology
will inch our way because
They're so hungry for that money. And that
might be helpful in this case.
I agree. And that's a very subtle point.
And again, you have to be in a
conspiracy first
see like you are to see that is
that, you know, you see that every day.
Misinformation is not a feature.
We tolerate it and oh, jeez.
I got dupe again, but we don't consider
it like, oh, give me more of that.
I mean, most rational people don't.
So truth has got a chance if you
can be more truthful, you can win in
the market.
Right.
I do think this is gonna be a
bigger part of our world, and we're gonna
have to
adjust accordingly, and I think that You know,
I always say this about my life in
particular,
yours too, but, like, to come of age,
pre Internet is so key in your development
and your ability to deal with the rest
of these things. Like, when I look at
younger kids today, they're fucked.
They haven't developed any of the critical thinking
skills they...
You're nodding in your head, no. But have
you heard the term screen induced autism?
These kids are absolutely fucked. And they're completely
rewire to Silicon Valley whim,
and you can continue to not know on
an audio show, and I can't ignore it
even though the audience can hear in my
voice that I'm just, you know, rambling on,
but I think it's so great that we
had a basis
formed before the cell phone, the smartphone before
the Internet. And
I think that base is being formed before
Ai is also great. Imagine a kid born
in 20 years who
doesn't have the ability to discern truth from
fiction when these things can create documents that
look absolutely real. If this thing gave me
a document,
about
Roswell, let's say, I could just be like,
well, I know that that's made up because
I know the body of information about Ras.
Well, and that isn't in it and now
we're in the Ai world, so more than
likely than not that's fabricated.
Because I have that basis.
Of the pre Ai
owned world,
and younger people aren't gonna have that. So
I think it's gonna get pretty hairy.
Okay. So your dad, I'm a dad.
Are your kids better off
because Greg Carl would has done higher side
chats. For you answer. Let me answer for
you.
Your kids are better off. Are my kids
better off because I've done skeptical. Very much
of a mixed bag
My kids are not like 4 of them.
They couldn't tell you. Right? They don't know,
but it is who I am on some
fundamental levels. It's like who I am in
terms of your connection to the greater to
the mourn,
has been fundamentally
changed
by
the information that I've glean on this show.
You are identical in that respect. My
perspective with regard to how you need to
protect yourself from cults. Be it Christianity, Judaism
any other cult that comes along, well there's
millions of them, that that is something to
worry about.
And my understanding of that and my ability
to navigate that, will
it gets to my kids where they wanted
or not same with your kids.
Was I afforded that You know don't, look
at our parents, our grandparents,
how many of them were caught in the
cycle of the Christian cult and could not
see beyond that and followed a set of
rules or the Jewish cult or whatever called
and just followed the set of rules relatively
blindly and could never been imagine anything beyond
it. Or that followed the state
God is on our side. Go get a
gun and go fight.
You know, are our kids fucked? No. I
don't think our kids are fucked. I think
our kids are empowered.
And I think because there is this
connection to the divine that extends
beyond our generation, they're ultimately gonna be okay.
Because that's the way it is. Everyone's okay.
Everything I say, everybody gets a standing ovation.
Go look at the Nd e research at
the end of the day as hard as
it is to believe
Epstein gets a standing innovation. I don't know
why there's a level of forgiveness in the
universe that I can't contemplate, but everybody gets
a standing ovation. That's the data. That's my
interpretation of the data, Greg, and that's what
I passed along to my kids. But are
my kids better off, are your kids better
off? Yes.
No question.
I mean, it really does come down to
what do you think life is? If life
is just
theater,
essentially, it's not exactly consequential,
then sure. Let the game be what the
game is, and
you know, we will be okay ultimately because
we have another process beyond our death. And
so the life that we are
living, you know, whether it's manipulated to the
nth degree or in whatever fashion. It's kind
of arbitrary because we're just
Living out characters in the big motion picture
stage show. But what would be? And again,
I'll answer the question.
What would be significant in that figure, which
I agree? It's... It's a good way to
characterize it.
It's truth.
Truth to me seems to stand apart.
It seems to stand apart from evil,
in a way that is significant the way
that I understand on understand extended consciousness. How's
was bashing on the Satan. I don't wanna
state. I have no idea I'm not religious
in any way. So I don't know what
Satan means or I throw around, you know,
trans to lose finger and all that. I
don't know what any of that means. I
just know there's this extended consciousness,
and I am very
open to the idea that there is
a goodness. And I think that goodness is
aligned with truth
in a way that is undeniable in a
way that shines through in
your work and hopefully, my work and that
that is the beacon.
Just find your own truth, be true to
yourself, be true to other people, and then
enjoy the theater.
Yeah. Cheers to that. I think that's as
good a place as any to land on
this thing.
Before I actually let you go, You know,
we do the dance
at the end here about promotions. What do
you want people to know? Obviously, listen to
the Skeptical podcast, get the book?
What else?
Get the damn book. So I'll tell you
what last time amazon. If you want the
book, and you don't wanna buy the book,
You have to buy the book.
Go to my subs stack or send me
an email whatever. And tell me you wanna
copy the book, and I'll send you copy
the book. E copy as It. I'll send
you copy the book for free. No strings
attached. You'll be in the subs, but you
wanna be in the subs anyway. So if
you want, go ahead. So go to the
subs and
Given exactly the instructions.
The easier probably send me an email, which
is
alex at skip c dot com. Or you
can find it on the website.
Just reach out to me in any way
and tell me you wanna copy of the
book. You know, last time we did this
we got, I think 400 people. Which I
think is great. Yeah. But we will not
get 10000 people so I'm not worried. If
I get 400 people great? I'll go through
400 emails. I'll send out 400 books. It's
no problem. I'll get an assistant to do
it. Get a 5 to do it. Yeah.
Exactly.
Well, you are the man. I thought this
was a lot of fun,
and
I always appreciate it. It's good to reconnect
with you. And we're not gonna be having
lunch anytime soon, I guess, but I still
value those times we had, and you're 1
of the good ones man take care.
Thanks, Buddy. That's good to know. I don't
have to sit through 1 of those
cider or whatever it is you drink their
at viewpoint. I don't know the I could
do that again.
Guilty.
Alright, everybody. My friend and yours, Captain Alex
of the s ss Skeptical.
1 of the few people in the podcast
game who just does it for the love
of it. He doesn't do ads. He doesn't
seek memberships. He just like to advance ideas
about consciousness and to a degree cons
perspectives.
I think he also does it to challenge
the academics and to put up some of
the best of the best who are actually
on the right tracks.
Have you ever heard his podcast with Jason
Loo?
Yikes.
Probably my favorite on air descent into argument
I've ever heard, and Alex was totally right
on that 1.
So he does this because he enjoys it,
and I see why after he sort of
hung up his hat for a while,
he came back motivated from the Ai movement.
It's the kind of thing he was working
on 2 decades ago after all,
but he's always been good to me Viewpoint
is where we would meet up for lunch,
and yes. I would drink cider. I'm not
ashamed to be a cider guy.
Maybe I should be. I don't know what
the culture saying on Cider these days. I
haven't gotten that memo.
And maybe we should have done a more
public meetup there now that I think about
it, but Alex did come to the San
Diego 1. I appreciate that. He's a real
g.
But you guys are gonna have to be
the judge on this episode. As I said
in the beginning, I like Alex, but I'm
not really excited by the Ai topic personally.
I like the dialogues he's been having with
Ai because his style really works for
pushing and basically bullying these Ai models past
their protocols.
The biases do show and that programming bias,
that Silicon Valley
Misinformation,
misinformation is so dangerous mindset really does come
through, especially in his dialogues.
But I think there's a lot of hype
and a lot of money pouring in, and
it's gonna be a big disappointment similar to
all the Vr, R meta talk.
There are a couple podcasts I listened to
that are about Hollywood as a business,
and they seem to think that Ai is
really going to help them kick the can
down the road of staying somewhat profitable.
If you're already turning out generic material sure,
Ai could probably write you another generic script.
You could probably use Ai
all along the many parts of the process
of creating a Hollywood film
and cut out a lot of grunt work.
But the deeper story there that some people
are talking about is that the rider strike
and the actor strikes that provided
a very convenient time for all the big
corporations in Hollywood to have all the right
meetings with Silicon Valley and decide
who they needed and who they didn't.
It's hard to really get a handle on
this new jump in technology when you're juggling
a thousand other things and all these projects.
But if you can put everything down,
the right people can have the right meetings
and the whole strike end
with some big
empty
celebration for labor and the union by giving
up a small little percent of barely anything
in the short term
where what was really happening was the long
term strat,
and the real analysis
as to how advanced this tech is and
where it can be used.
And I just think that's interesting analysis because
we know how these games are played.
And we know how these things are framed
to the public.
And usually, there's something going on beneath the
surface and some of it seems to be
that kind of stuff, which is relevant to.
This episode today.
But I will say the plus show in
this 1 is very fun and different. We
actually got pie 8 involved, and we tried
to get some interesting info from it regarding
the Covid vaccine, death rates and Ufo.
So if you haven't engaged with these things
at all, it kind of is interesting to
at least see where they are.
The information's is 1 thing, but the voices
are another and they are pretty good.
It's funny because depending on how distracting they
are. Our editor sometimes takes out heavy breaths
And the Ai voice has breath that make
it sound more natural, and there's just something
funny about a software adding in fake breaths
and then a human using a software to
remove breaths for a podcast.
This is how time has spent these days,
but
You will have to decide if Alex is
on something there or not.
I thought the
thing about the actual voice was funny because
it does kind of sound like what you'd
expect Silicon valley to use.
That sort of diversity stuff, even for fake
voices,
It kinda sounded like t pain without the
auto tune actually.
But Alex picked that voice, so I just
looked bad on that 1.
I'm really comfortable with Alex though, so we
were both pretty stubborn about our perspective on
this stuff.
And Alex thinks I'm missing the boat big
time.
But look, I know there are uses for
Ai.
I really like the Ai art stuff.
I have a friend who wanted to make
a weed friendly bay cruise in San Diego,
and he used Ai to come up with
a good pitch for it, and it did
a pretty good job.
And there are people out there who will
save a lot of time in their 9
to fives by using it.
There's actually a new voice enhancing Ai tool
that I'm really impressed with actually that will
probably get used in this show from time
to time.
But the editing of the u and oz
and likes and you nose and long pauses.
That kind of stuff is still gonna require
a human touch.
I've listened to shows where they just used
Ai
to take out
pauses,
and it sounds really awkward
So if you're comfortable with saving time
to produce c plus work, it's very useful.
Lots of people only do c plus work
anyway. So what's the difference?
Obviously, tech does get better,
but I don't see it getting good enough
in any of my use cases for it
to matter too much.
I guess I could use it to summarize
books, but
Again,
it's not gonna find that 1 bizarre point
that I want to ask a guest about
in an interview.
That stuff is kind of the secret sauce
of Thc.
The stuff that requires my own personal discernment
it can't be outsourced.
If I want a summary of a book,
I can read the intro or just the
back of it.
I will say though that even just using
a typical search function can be an art
form,
phrasing things correctly, using the right words, etcetera,
etcetera. We all know people who are just
bad,
Internet users and bad Internet search.
And savvy people can get what they're looking
for much faster. And I think Ai is
similar.
Just like the art generators, how creative is
the human input, that's a huge factor.
But even with the Pizza gate coded language
example. So, yeah, the machine admitted, it appears
to be coded language in the emails. That
example is slightly more interesting than others because
it is a large language model program.
But did that or would that move anyone's
opinion or does it just confirm what we
already know?
I get that they'll never be a real
investigation or any real court case about such
things. So we're
desperate enough to be
excited about
a concession from Ai, I guess.
As for the book title portion
about it being divine, well, we didn't talk
much about that because that's really a dominant
conversation about Ai. I will it become conscious.
All this sorts of stuff. Well,
I've heard what Alex has to say on
that, and we are both in agreement that
no. It's not gonna become conscious.
But it might actually cause some people to
realize humans are special and consciousness is a
big part of that.
So when a roundabout way, it could be
helpful in bringing material back to the spiritual
just by more people making that comparison.
But really when it comes to this subject,
I try to stay open minded? Because what
do I know, really?
The next step from these Ai art generators
are these video generators that are making really
compelling video
that looks pretty real just from similar prompts.
So I think if someone has a creative
idea of a story to tell,
They could use these systems to make their
pitch
or to get started, but I don't know.
It's basically a glorified story board, I guess,
It's gonna work great for b roll for
Youtube comment tate.
There are uses, and I think it will
disrupt the fiber
creative freelancer
sort of space.
I personally never really like to hurt someone's
feelings. So if I have art made for
t shirts or something, and it's 80 percent
what I had in my head. I tend
to just say, okay Fine. It's good.
I don't make them go through a lot
of
nausea
revisions.
When I use the Ai art stuff, it
doesn't get it right the first time, but
I can just keep going and going and
going until eventually, I get something maybe closer
to 90 95 percent what I had in
my head.
But, yeah, Alex knows a lot more
about this stuff than me. He should be
the 1 to tell anyone if there's something
interesting going on here, but I just haven't
seen an example that truly moved me yet.
But I am very open to a point
in the timeline where an Ll does accidentally
get access to something top secret or
some dark web digital archive,
and we might actually learn some stuff from
it in situations like that.
I guess it's not that the technology is
bad. It's just that the guard rails on
it are so strict
that I don't see it as much more
than a mainstream
argument
reg
and at worst.
A digitized mass mk ultra weaponized program.
But I also agree with Alex that so
many of the fears about Ai being destructive
or cor to society or used by the
bad people.
Well they're kind of ignoring the state of
things now and throughout his What's Ai really
going to add that isn't already a mess.
I brought up my fake document example, and
I think that has merit. But we've always
had to contend with fake documents and hoax
is I just think there will be a
lot more of them, and there'll be a
lot more convincing.
But in the second hour, even when he
asked the Ai if it knew who I
was, and it says, oh, yes. The higher
side chats is a great podcast.
Delve into a wide range of
unconventional, suppressed and es esoteric topics well.
That's just read right off my website.
When the big machine came for the word
conspiracy, I altered the Thc
description to replace conspiracy
with
unconventional and suppressed because they're less loaded terms.
But that was a giveaway for me. The
Ai basically just did a Google search.
On the back end of my website and
read the description.
It's a nice trick, but I know what's
going on here.
But in terms of the interview, I tried
to make sure that we talked about the
material that Alex had dialogue with the Ais
about because it's a way of trying to
make everyone even if you don't care about
Ai too much, Well, we still talked about
cons
topics within that framework.
But that said, the free book offer is
very generous. I hope some people take him
up on that or at least check out
some of his podcast at so it's with
the Ai models, he's the perfect person to
take his show in this sort of direction.
And in higher side news, the free plus
episode for June was Peter Mark Adams from
about 5 years ago talking about the Sol
Bus T.
It is a true t h see classic.
Any free show listeners who are subscribed in
a podcast app should see that on the
list right before this 1.
Based on the download numbers, these free plus
episodes are very popular,
who doesn't want something for free, but I
hope that some people do convert to plus
after realizing,
it's a much better experience,
and you could have heard this 5 years
ago, but, hey, that's on some of you
guys.
This is just a new strategy for me
making my case.
As for the plus people's
review of the last episode with Chris K
as if there's ever any doubt, 4.8,
about as good as it gets,
that episode really brought me back to being
on a James Shelby downer kick.
You're gonna hear that name referenced in a
few of the next episodes, but this 1
with Alex sort of completes a string of
episodes with friends of the show who have
new books out.
Rec,
Chris and Alex. I love these guys.
I'm happy to do interviews with people I'm
familiar with who write good stuff,
but the next string of interviews are with
people that are much more obscure, who you
probably don't know or at least haven't heard
recent interviews with.
And I think that should excite a lot
of listeners out there who maybe didn't like
that familiar trend.
But I also gotta start saying that if
you wanna see some video clips from these
episodes check my social media. It's full of
them. I hired a company to make the
clips,
and they run the tiktok.
And pretty much the Instagram,
and the
Youtube shorts is pretty much all that's left
of a once great Youtube channel.
But alright. Let's do the meetup up calendar
thing and get on with our day. U.
Okay. July sixth this weekend.
New Buffalo, Michigan at rolling numbers,
July eighteenth, Coral tree in La, July 20
fourth, Oak Public house, Eugene Oregon,
and also July 20 fourth,
corner bakery rec cafe in Pasadena, California.
And that's it. It's looking at a little
bear with only 4 events on the calendar
and 2 of them being in La.
Maybe I overestimate
people's desire for community,
With like minded locals or maybe summers are
just busy, but if you want to go
to 1 go to higher side meet dot
com and rs Vp or make an event
near you. It's all free and opened to
everyone.
But that's the show. Get Alex's book, check
out what he's doing if you're interested in
Ai and I'll see you next time.
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