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The plan is something masters almost surely have
a plan this clearly maybe something near beyond
the realm of man and until you felony
tested every last just.
Upon the more you think you know the
you really do. That's true.
Where would we
Alright. Fireside side chatter. It's no secret that
the cons crowd has made many claims about
the Capstone Cabal and the ruling elite class
of past and present.
Claims that range from a fascination with a
cult art, securing power through magic and making
dark packs with demonic multi dimensional entities, 2
selective breeding carefully preserving blood lines and even
that these psychopathic power players have some type
of rep origin that might make them only
half human.
And as we know, it's very hard to
find the smoking gun for these sorts of
clams, and we're left with the analysis of
small bread breadcrumbs, strange symbolism and the occasional
promote notion of ideas and motifs that seem
completely foreign to anything we would recognize in
the mainstream.
Well folks, it seems like a fifteenth century
relic known as the Solo bush at tara
has broken free of its carefully maintained chain
of custody behind the curtain as an ari
class magical heir room to find itself on
display in a Milan museum in modern times
and wouldn't you know, it contains aspects of
nearly all of those os so strange
claims.
Lucky for us, though the royal worldview is
carefully kept close to the chest and putting
such a relic in its proper context seems
like a monumental task,
Today's guest, Peter Mark Adams is a brilliant
Iso esoteric sc t expert professional energy worker
and a cult symbol decoder that seriously dedicated
himself to unpacking this steep es esoteric artifact
fully drenched in the demi and has released
his analysis and conclusions in an epic and
beautiful book titled the game of Saturn.
It's 1 of the most impressive pieces of
work that I've seen in some time. The
implications are damn or unbelievable and I can't
wait to get down to it. A serious
honor and a pleasure, a master of his
craft, Peter Mark Adams welcome to the higher
side.
Hi there, Greg. Lovely to talk to you.
Yeah, man. I'm so happy to have you
here. Scarlet Imprint always seems to work with
amazing authors, and I'm really impressed with this
book. Something that... Yeah. I mean, it is
something I don't think I could put together
if my life depended on it, Know It's
so really kudos to you. Thank you so
much.
And You know, to kick this off, we
really have to break this down for people,
but we're talking about an elaborate
illustrated and decorated deck of cards that matches
the struck sure of a classic taro deck
dating back to the Italian renaissance, I guess
it's the oldest known deck of its type
in existence, but you call it a Tu,
because outside of that same basic structure, it
doesn't really have much else in common with
traditional taro, is that right?
That's right. There's about 3 cards.
In the deck that have a kind of
passing similarity to the cards you'd would expect
to see amongst the trump's in a modern
deck. But apart from that, everything else is
utterly unique.
And it was that fact actually, which really
got me turned on to the task of
trying to figure out
why they've gone to such extraordinary
cost,
investment of time,
the use of a,
Renaissance master and engrave.
And yet the thing didn't make any sense.
So there's some... Had to be something going
on here, which I couldn't figure out, and
that really led me on down the rabbit
hole. To be honest. I I started to
disappear from. Day to day living as I
got en in this thing, you know? Yeah.
And eventually, I was working like
hours a day, those 7 days a week.
It took me about 3 years to break
into the decks
heavily coded
multi layered symbolism.
Mh.
That's so provocative, And the artwork on the
cards, they depict everything from
barely innocent looking figures to d
and holding babies over fire pits. Yeah. But
I guess, what about the artwork is so
special not only from a content perspective, but
a historical 1 as well.
Yeah. I mean, this is the first...
It's the earliest complete t that exists. That's
1 thing.
Secondly, it's
been done by this renaissance master and engrave.
So the the quality is absolutely superb.
And those 2 factors alone
set the deck apart from pretty well everything
else.
The third factor though,
it has no Christian
imagery or symbolism a minute it whatsoever.
And that is that is really exceptional. I
mean, I can't think of another taro deck
in existence that doesn't include certain
aspects of the
Christian
theology.
Right.
I found that strange as well because I'm
a little bit familiar with the taro, and
there's always that final judgment card at least,
which is a very christian thing.
That's it. And there's nothing like that in
this deck. And again, that was another
of the factors that drove me to
try and figure out what the heck is
going on with this thing.
There's another fact Du Well greg, which is
really strange with this deck,
despite being a masterpiece a piece of Renaissance
art has no proven whatsoever.
And, like, providence is everything in the art
game?
Where did it come from?
Where did it originate? Who is whose hands
as been in, because this is a deck
of cards that survived in intact for 500
years.
And nobody knows where it's being poor. At
least 300 of those years.
So there's a lot of mysteries. There's a
lot of locked boxes
and it's like the wet dream for the
ec esoteric research, you know? Absolutely.
I can't claim to have cracked the whole
thing. III think I got most of the
Trump and court cards
decode,
but there's a sub substantial a number of
suit cards that still require work.
There's more to come.
Always.
And so you know, the main purpose of
a typical to row is definition, But is
there an indication that that is
not the same purpose here? Or is this
just a different form of definition.
I think people have always used different
things around them for d purposes, you know,
whether it's
coffee grounds or or what.
The original decks were created for gaming.
That's where the the taro came from. But
of course, because of the imagery because of
its symbolic nature, it lends itself 2 other
uses
specifically to d nation.
I think that's...
If I'm gonna to, like, jump to the
core of the thing, what we're faced with
here is something like an elite grim
of surgical
draco magic.
Okay? If I just, like sum up the
endpoint of my research. And the question therefore
is where did it come from?
How was it used?
And what was the intent of the designer,
mh, in putting this thing together?
Because it illuminate
an aspect of the modern conspiracy world, this
this notion of a cult of saturn. Yes.
It illuminate the origins of this thing.
Which before now has been very ne.
Right. And it is such a amazing piece
of history and amazing artifact for that reason
And I guess I would also ask you,
because you're not the first person to look
at this deck? What can you tell us
about some of the theories
about the deck and why it was created
before you came along, the things that you
dismiss.
Well,
the obvious thing is that, you know, 9
of the Trump cards
depict figures connected with Roman Republican history.
So it's easy to dismiss the whole deck
as an educational deck.
But as an explanation, it just doesn't stand
up.
How about the other, you know, trump cards?
How about all the court cards and the,
you know,
suit cards. So, you know,
the obvious
explanation is too fa
to
suggests that it's an educational deck also doesn't
take account of the homo erotic elements in
its imagery. Mh. You know, it's a Christian
stance,
and the fact that the
Trump cards that appear to name Roman
figures
have been spelled
in such a way
that you cannot immediately
identify any particular person.
Okay. The Romans had a thing called the
Jen's, it was like a family name. And
because the
Roman elite
was governed by a very small number of
families for a period of, like 500 years.
The jen's doesn't give you any
indication of of which member of the family,
within that 500 years, you know, who it
could be. Mh.
So again, it it doesn't actually fulfill an
educational purpose on that score either.
The other explanation is that it's another
Wedding present, a kind of sump wedding present
like the Vis
sports deck. But again, the home rot
imagery, the baby getting cooked over the fire,
scenes of emulation and d.
That'll be some wedding present. Right? Right,
as good instead you wouldn't be invited back
true. So they're the main lines that have
been
attempted to explain the imagery in this deck
and and they don't really work.
Mh. So there has to be a deep
game going on. And another
foundational thing that we should probably discuss with
people or discuss 4 people is that
there's also something that should be said about
the historical context, like not only the politics
of the time, but the attitudes about magical
ritual and practice. This kinda speaks to those
home erotic elements you mentioned. But what do
you think is important for people to know
in that regard
to place this back in its proper context
of when it was actually made.
Okay. I mean, if we're gonna turn the
clock back to fifteenth century
Renaissance Europe,
and specifically to Italy,
Magic
in 1 form or other was pervasive
at every level of society
from the kind of folk healing
folk witchcraft and
Carlo Ginsburg has done excellent work in documenting
some of the long lived
pagan witchcraft movements in Italy, the Be
In the north of Italy. We have the
possession cult of Tar
small in the south of Italy.
And on top of this, you have a
layer of
what I would call Grim war Magic.
So that you find clerical scholars,
students, monks, priests,
specializing
in
ritual magic for hire.
Okay? So if you have any problems, you
go to them and and they that, you
know, that you need a demon exercising or
you wanna summon on a demon and send
it against someone. The use of a tax.
These would be the go to people for
that.
And we have excellence
testimony from the in
records
for Modern and Bo.
Which demonstrate that these priests
the ones who were recognized as wielding a
lot of power in terms of demonic magic
with
very carefully protected by the elite.
Mh. Their major sponsors were the elite families
in fact, and and whenever an in
attempted to take 1 to court,
have them def f or whatever they could
do against them. The elite families always stepped
in and put the case aside. So there
they were well protected at the highest levels
of the Renaissance society.
Right. So the That's pretty well the pyramid
as it were, the background
into which this deck, which actually illustrates another
strand and stream of magic
coming from the east,
entered into and merged with. Mh. Yes. That
background makes it all the more provocative. And
when it comes to the dex influences and
the worldview and ideas that it seems to
contain
You kinda break it down into 3 parts
because it can get pretty complex, but you
talk about the dex cosmology.
It's meta physics, and it's ritual, use I
think that's a pretty clear way to talk
about such a dense item. What would you
say about its cosmology, for example.
It's totally.
And and
it
identifies a series of planets, thick stars and
constellation that are the most prolific
in terms of astra magic.
And it was this fact that gave me
the first
indication that what I was dealing with
was a grim of elite so
of the darkest kind.
Right.
Okay. So That's the cosmology that we have
here. Mh.
The items, you know, you will find them
in pick tricks or any of those classic
texts
of astro magic.
But the ones particularly picked out and illustrated
within the deck are wholly.
So III can't conceive of another use of
those energies other than what they call m.
Attack so.
Right.
It's pretty cut and dry when it comes
to the things they were trying to invoke.
It's just negativity
across the board it seems.
It's
it's an exercise power.
I think when we look at these elite
families, you know, we need to realized that
they were not like a modern state. They
didn't function in that way. Mh. They were
far closer to the godfather. Oh, the the
film in Ba.
They had their
beneficial side,
but they were capable of any kind of
cruelty.
Or evil. Mh.
These were the families from which Machiavelli
drew the principles of governing
just by observing them. So
on the 1 side, they would have d
marriages. They would have, you know,
agreements, treaties and so on. But on the
other side, the flip side of the coin
is their employment of poisonous
you know, sorcerer,
assassins,
spies.
So,
you know, there's, like too sides to the
coin. And and this deck illustrates
this is why it's such a rare artifact,
a very dark side of the dark side
of the coin. Mh.
But
I wanna qualify that, and it's something probably
we lump unpack as we go along Greg
is is to say that what this deck
is
exe amplifying is not the traditional grim
so.
Okay? Okay?
Like the sorcerer, these guys, this elite
employed had copies of, like, the kia of
Solomon and A And and those candidates of
texts, classic
Grim was, you know? Mh. This stuff is
of an order above that.
In terms of its educational background is tradition.
And it's almost never been talked about in
the context of the Western
esoteric history before.
Because it's comes straight from the Byzantine
elite.
Wow.
Okay? It's another thread. It's not being taught
about as far as I can see, has
not been identified as a major player amongst
the elites of Europe before.
This deck is
depicting
a tradition which goes from or
through the neo
into the Byzantine
imperial elite, and from them to Italy.
Man, it is, you know, no small then.
Yep. Dealing with an order of
learned
so
far above the popular grim was. Mh.
And so to talk a little bit about
kinda how they view reality structure. You talk
about how their
view the view that's expressed in this deck
is that souls are rein
and
kind of the symbol of the acts is
where they see the milky way crossing with
the path of the Zodiac, and that's the
poor between the worlds, this is a type
of worldview or cosmology that definitely wasn't taught
to the masses as it seems.
Yeah. This emerges directly from or, so we're
back in the eighth century
Bc at least.
And it's been
picked up
through figures like fe,
P
teacher.
Plato, of course, and the neo plato philosophers
after.
So there's a continuous tradition there until I'd
like the sixth century Ce.
So it's, like 1200 years old tradition at
this point. Right. Okay? And then there's an
attempt by the Christian Amp emperor, you know,
just any into to stamp this out. Not
very successful.
Because the byzantine
elite and especially its civil service
were thoroughly imbued with the values of hell.
To enter the civil service, you had to
have
relevant number of years study of hell
classical literature and philosophy.
And with that, it's kind of, you know,
in the kernel of it is pagan ism.
You can't extract it out of it. If
you're studying Plato, you have pagan
built in, so to speak. Mh.
So it perpetuated
itself
well into the fifteenth century, and you have
major figures in the Byzantine court at this
time. The imperial elite
who are self declared pagans.
You know? And again, this doesn't quite fit
in with our church written history of the
times.
But nevertheless, that's that's how things fell out.
Right. And you talk about, mit cult, which
is something that I've had researchers
dig up before, and they... Some suggest it's
a thread that still continues in the background
today. But
to have these
nods to a mit ray cult at this
time depth. It is strange. I mean, this
just what you're saying. This cult, and these
I idea should've have been long gone by
the fifteenth century.
Yeah. They're were well alive, they had a
huge revival in the tenth and eleventh century
with people like Michael,
who recovered much of the literature, but Again,
our history lets us down, Greg, because, you
know, we see people figures like Michael Sellers
who recovered the Ka day in Oracle.
As stand alone. We don't see them in
context.
Mike sellers has had teachers
who
ina his interest in these ancient texts and
ideas, and and they had teachers, and, you
know, the golden Thread runs back and fourth
back into the past and forward
into
contemporary history. It's never broken. And I think
there's 1 good reason why that's the case.
The world
that exists at the core of this system
makes sense in a
way in which doctor earth theology does not
make sense. Mh k? It is an esoteric
experiential
approach to reality.
So that for those of us who for
instance work with energy, you do regression work,
constellation work, whatever,
The notion of rein
is a very real 1. Mh.
You experienced people who recover past life
information.
So, you know, you don't need a theological
judgment about it. It becomes part of your
experience.
And the belief system coming out of or
is rooted in real experience in this way.
It's liberating
because it has this many lives
aspect to it,
and it places the onus on your own
moral development.
Rather than obeying some these rules. Mh.
K? So there's a dynamic element
at the core of the belief system
that perpetuate itself from year to year from
Century to century. And even if it was
lost, it would be recovered or recoverable.
Right.
Because that's the way things are. You know,
Okay. Yes. And, you know, these ideas you're
talking about now, very agnostic. And in regards
to the deck, as agnostic piece, you say,
in categorizing the dex cosmology as agnostic. We
need to take care not to confuse this
fact with the historically documented agnostic
preoccupation with spiritual liberation. Nothing could be further
from the worldview of the Nobles to design
this deck. Yeah. And obviously, that's an important
separation. I guess, what other aspects of na
system do actually make it into the deck.
Everything is there.
Exactly. This this view that you should
somehow
clam out of the cycle of meta
and, you know, a ascend to a higher
plane.
That is totally absent.
This deck
takes na
and converts it into a mechanism,
let... Or let's let's put it this way.
This deck as a agnostic
artifact em bog the idea that if the
machinery of the universe runs in such a
way that
subsequent lives
arise out of the way you worship,
way you treat deities in this life, then
you can start affecting the trajectory of your
subsequent
rein.
K? Right.
So this idea is taken directly out of
Plato ph.
You know, we're in the deities at is
you worship in this life, you enter their
train in... You enter their entourage
upon death,
and you travel with them, and then you
kind of reenter.
Okay? Now the key here is to reenter
into a social circle that is suitable
for objectives.
And for these elite families, the objective is
to reenter
an elite family. Mh.
Okay. So in this way, the ritual suggested
within the deck is a way of controlling
the trajectory of one's own meta.
And this is where the notion of blood
lines takes on a new and deeper meaning.
Absolutely. That's so interesting because it's like, we
always see the elite as
into playing the long game. And these multi
generational mindset and mainstream culture looks at and
says well that makes no sense, You know,
people, Yeah. Only live to be 70 80
years old, They're not worried about what's going
on for a 200 year game plan, but
this context makes that
seem plausible. And it justifies why that worldview
would exist among the elite.
Yeah. And if you look at the eth
record around the world you find, you know,
plenty of places where this is the way
things are are managed.
They take a lot of care with death
ritual
to try and ensure the subsequent rebirth of
that, let's call it soul
back into the family group or into the
community or whatever and It kind of reaches
a high point with the bud llama who
of course, attempt
multiple subsequent
rebirth
into
equally spiritual positions and mona.
K. They have a mechanism
for running that process and for them validating
that it's working.
So it's actually the Western Esoteric system that's
kind of lacking this.
But clearly at an elite level, the awareness
of it was still there.
It is amazing. This is, like, exhibit a
for the case that I've heard people trying
to make for such a long time without
having me real evidence or proof? I mean,
this is
no small thing. Yeah. And, I guess we
should address
dead on? Why is it called the game
of Saturn?
The figure of saturn per pervasive this deck
here at every level.
I've got a quote here. It's
By pro in its plato theology says all
Greek theology
is the offspring of or mystical doctrine.
And if you look at the Or, d,
it starts out with Kronos, the great serpent.
Gives birth to a egg.
And from the egg, it splits apart to
create the land and the sky and and
within it is the figure of fe.
Wound around by a large sharpen. So
this is a very
early
component
that situate Kronos at the most fundamental
point of creation.
K? And Kronos is saturn.
Right.
And for the carthaginian,
he was
Baal on.
And in the bible,
he appears as M.
Okay? These are all same entity, but different
aspects of it. So
with this roots in the offer tradition, Kronos
becomes the central player.
He is the demi. He is the creator
entity. So the Serpent or Draco form
of the deity
is the primal 1.
Mh.
Okay. That's why the game of saturn and
then multiple cards within the deck.
Kind of replay this
this theme
of the serpent that as saturn as the
serpent as Ba on
you know,
saw whoever put this thing together had a
very good grasp
of
mythology
and the t and cosmology of various faith.
That is so true. And along this line
to quote you again, you say the dex
theology embraces,
no cosmology in its totality, but nevertheless
discard liberation in favor of the positive
embrace of the demi worldly rulers.
Is this to say that there's a mindset
within the fifteenth century elite that hey, Demi.
I know you're the boss. We figured this
out. So how can I get on your
good side? How can we work out a
deal? Is that kind the... I couldn't put
it better at my sell Right.
That's it. You got it.
Wow.
It seems so in line with
suggestions today that the Elite have made a
deal with the Dam to basically be the
management class on the earthly plane to opt
out of the rebirth cycle and stay in
these positions maintain these blood lines, and in
exchange have vast amounts of material wealth and
power. I guess That's a worldview that's pretty
aligned with this fifteenth century
elite heir room and it's chain of custody,
I guess.
Yes. It's the... The horrible
realization isn't it that those conspiracy theories have
their roots in a real tradition? Mh.
You know, that's the bottom line with this
reading of the deck, this
interpretation of the deck.
Mh.
It's hardly real.
Right. And and that's kind of like, what
I just think is so provocative about it.
And you write about how they had this
worldview that each person or soul coordinates with
a star in the sky, and the deck
contains references to a star could put angle,
I guess is how it's... Something I've Star...
Yeah. That's a star. I've never really here
talked about. What do we know about this
stars
attributed characteristics. What are the references to this
star mean to you?
It's the most prolific
star
in the sky.
Bar on.
So if you wanna do the heaviest kind
of so, imaginable.
This is definitely 1 of the ingredients.
The energies of this particular star.
That's why it's there. That's why it's kind
of highlighted
in the deck.
It's part of a brew.
A dark brew.
Well said. And and because it's a fixed
star,
whatever male
intention you have,
its energy will tend to fix it in
place and prolong it's
activity.
And that's why the the fixed stars are
important for that, and a prolific fixed star
kinda has the double action of adding to
the dark brew whilst maintaining its pervasive. It's
its influence its effect on people. Mh.
But I I wanna... Perhaps it's just worth
worthwhile contextual
what we set up to now, Greg. Because
recent
Eth demographic work has
identified and opened out a phenomenal dark shamanism.
And for years now,
people especially in the west have been looking
towards shamanism as this liberating force,
you know, as is ecological conscious and and
all these good things, and we've kind of
neglected the fact that there's a complimentary
Shamanism,
which is correctly
characterized as dark shamanism.
At... But those who wanna follow this up,
there's an excellent collection of academic essay called
in darkness and secrecy by white head and
right, and it very much
concentrates on dark shamanism within the Amazon area,
But the core of this is salt so,
and a kinda of cosmological
construct we can perhaps best described as a
cosmology of pre prudential. Mh. And and the
core of this is that the Cha opens
themselves to possession by the most
powerful
predatory
entity.
That they can summon.
And in that form, they either can go
out of body to wreak havoc or they
can command lesser entities to do their bidding.
K?
So this is a core eth demographic
construct.
Now the strange thing is that when we
look at the card specifically 1 card called
Ip,
it shows a monk,
with Dragon wings.
Okay? And within the sequence of ritual cards
within the deck,
you see a series that are intended to
induce possession by a Draco
entity.
Cheers.
And that card
actually depicts the monk
totally possessed by the entity. So when there's
different grades of possession, of course.
You know, you can have
whole variety, but complete possession means the total
displacement of the persona.
The person will have no memory whatsoever
post
of what they've done of what happened.
The possession is complete. Mh. K?
So in the context of dark shamanism,
we're seeing a
eth geographically attest
process
whereby dark Shaman open themselves to possession by
these predatory
entities and then use that power so to
speak to wreak havoc of what whatever can
they intend to do. Mh So that construct
perfectly
fits
the imagery that we're dealing with.
And the kind of uses
that this
Renaissance elite would have.
Yes. It's just it's
quite amazing. And you know there's a lot
of people even today. We hear little nuggets
of wisdom dropped by those who have
kind of touch the fringes of elite circles
or worked in certain industries like banking or
politics at high levels, and they come out
and say,
You know, these people are possessed, and you're
like, you know, you don't think of that
literally, but that's a a term that is
thrown around quite often when describing
the way these people act and the way
it is to... The way it feels to
be around them.
Exactly. And this is it. Now if we
can only start connecting are, you know, eth
demographic and historical
information to the current situation, we can begin
to illuminate some of these things for the
first time.
They start to make sense when you contextualize
them, but you gotta get the right background
in place in order to do that.
Absolutely. And, you know, another element of that
background is you say that the
Ds world
entirely planes the magically oriented motivations of the
decks design and use. And Ds is a
name that comes up a lot in your
book. I don't hear it all that. Often
outside of your book, but tell us about
that family and
their connection to this deck.
Yeah, They kind of emerge out of obscurity
in the, you know, tenth century or so.
And there's various branches of this family, and
and you're right They're obscure, I certainly didn't
have any particular awareness of them when I
started this project,
But they In Italy, they came to be
the rulers are of the city state of,
and we're closely allied with Venice.
And it's within that context that the deck
was designed and created.
Now it turns out that the Italian branches
a cadet branch.
Of the larger family
in the Austro Hungarian area,
the the Gu est,
and the other Cadet branch of this family
are the
Hanover
Monarchs.
So
let me put this in a historical context.
I think something like,
17 Century Mary d day of Mode medina,
marry the Duke of York.
And when he ascended to the throne of
England,
she became queen of England.
Okay? And it was a short lived monarchy.
But then
There was an inter and then the Hanover
Monarchs took over.
And this is George the first second third,
all of these people.
Now, we're talking about arc of history,
which leads from
supremacy
in the renaissance for about 300 years.
And then kind of switches saddle.
Okay?
Just in time to catch the rise of
the British empire.
Mh.
And at the end of that, the tail
end of that,
catches the start of the Usa.
Right. And so the implication there is that
there's maybe a network working within groups doesn't
have the same allegiance as we might think.
And, you know, when 1 empire
declines in another rises, some of these
figures or what we might call the Brotherhood
of Saturn, they seem to emerge in these
new empires as well as the collapsing ones.
Yeah. So
You have to put all the points of
view together. You have to pile them together
to make sense of these kind of patents.
Because they... Historically they're so long lived.
And this takes us right back to
By
again where this
Pagan philosopher who
introduced these ideas to Italy
had a pagan school.
Which taught 30, which taught
ritual magic and was completely a pagan entity.
K?
So what I'm saying is there's a tradition
of a ritual practice
that was invented
God knows when, was alive and well in
fifteenth century by
and is now captured within these cards and
carried forward.
And again, how come we have these cards?
Where have they been for 300 years
is a mystery?
Yes. But they surface now, we kinda open
them out now, and this is the story.
They're telling us.
It is amazing. And that is 1 of
my questions for you is
what other insights can we get from kinda
tracing that chain of study. I mean, I
know we know the early steps and we
obviously know where it ended up in Milan,
but are there other nodes or bullet points
on that chain of custody that you find
kinda curious or interesting?
I'm really at a loss to fill in
the gaps.
It's completely con.
Mh.
And there's like 300 years where the deck
is just invisible. I mean it just disappears.
Based on certain marks, I mean, the deck
was a grade, right, and then they printed
the sheets.
And then 1 set of sheets were painted.
And delivered to person called Mara Sun
venetian patricia.
And
A curious thing about the marks that were
placed on the deck is that it identifies
him.
It identifies the fact that he was gay
and it identifies the fact that almost certainly,
the Fe were able to
manipulate him borne him.
Into betray Venice.
Mh.
So that the deck is like a payoff
in a very important operation that ferrari ran
against Venice,
and it's also a reminder to him that
at any time if he opens his mouth
or
stops cooperating.
They've got enough on him to see him
burn at the stake.
So does that level of historical
interpretation. Now, again, Mara Sun, who was he,
who were it... Well, his mother's family, the
V family.
And the venue claim to be descendants of
the Emperor Vale.
Okay? And then you check out the emperor
Vale, and it turns out is 1 of
the child sacrificing
emperors
of late rome. Nice. He was notorious for
it. Yeah.
And that brings you a back again to
the card in the deck showing the child
over the fire. On what the heck is
going on here.
There's a disturbing aspect of this in in
respect of the fact that all of the
court cards, the named court cards, 9 of
them.
All have 1 thing in common. They depict
figures
related to the conception of Alexander, the great.
Not to anything Alexander the great actually did,
Mh. You know, which is what most people
are interested in, but to his conception,
And when you look into the Alexander Romance
literature, there's 1 characteristic
about his conception that stands out.
His mother's intercourse with Ba.
So the Alexander is like a demi guard,
you know?
And again, this is 1 of the connections
that deeply woven into the texture of the
dex imagery and symbolism.
You know, connects saturn, Kronos,
the Draco force and the Carthaginian god Ba
Ox
known for 1 thing or 1 thing alone.
This is the sacrifice of small children milk.
It was called, and it's from that word
milk that we get the name M in
the Bible.
Wow.
So we have these blind spots in the
chain of custody of the deck. Can you
maybe tell us how it got out of
private hands and into the public sphere into
a museum? Well
let me just kinda touch on whatever I
do know, which is very little. So it
won't take long.
Mara Sun died in Venice in the early
sixteenth century,
and all his effects were auction at that
point.
Now, there's a jump of, like 2 or
300 years to a Milan family, the Marquis
Ser.
As far as I can held there's only
1 connection between the Ser and the venice
of the sixteenth century.
There was 1 of the early members of
Ser family 2 brothers, in fact, 1 became
pope, the other became a notorious b,
and then
got promoted as a hit hitman for Francesco
sports.
So, you know, he was playing his trade,
and obviously got into trouble and had to
escape
And then he's documented in various parts of
Europe, you know, no doubt further enhancing his
skill set. And at some point in the
course of that, he got
special
recognition
from Venice for services rendered
with...
I I don't wanna speculate
on what they may have been, but it
kind of en noble him.
Wow. So that's the 1 connection. He would
have been in venice about the time that
the deck came on the market. It was
auction.
And as say the next thing is the
deck turns up in the hands of the
Marquis Ce baloney,
dated about 18 30, there's a anti query
count Chicken who examined the cards at that
point. And saying they were in the hands
of the Marquis ser balloon.
And
rolling forward from that point,
a set of these cards were
sent
photographic images of the cards were set to
the British museum, that'd in 19 09I
think, and put on display there where Pamela
Coleman Smith, the designer of the popular
wait Smith Taro deck would have seen them.
And its aspects of their imagery, which you
now find in pretty well every taro deck
in the world today.
So kind of unconsciously
propagated
the imagery solar bus into pretty well. Everybody's
taro tech. And that seems to be how
magic works. Right? I mean, these influences, the
power in them. They seem to kind of
spread out kind of spider web out even
if it's not obvious on the surface. That's
kind of an interesting aspect.
I think again, you know, from an esoteric
point of view, we have to
recognize
that when we talk about these energies or
powers,
that are the subject of esoteric work.
Not many people talk about agency
in that context.
You know, most of us think of energy
is like the light switch. You switch it
on, you switch it off. You know, it
has rules. It basel the rules. But
In a east esoteric sense, these energies have
agency. They're pretty well like you or me
in many respects,
and that is the way in which
the energies behind the deck would have been
interpreted in the fifteenth century.
Okay? It's it's not some
background buzz of energy. Right. It's an agency
work.
Okay? So and
that makes all the difference. If you start
conceptual
those energies working through history
in terms of agency, then you have to
rethink a lot of stuff.
No doubt.
Then,
so just to to follow up with the
the lineage of the cards. What's the
end book end for the path these cards
have taken?
Okay. So
around 19 88 or so a German
or Austrian
taro,
got permission to photograph the cars and he
made a a reproduction deck.
And then
what, 2009
or so. The Italian state stepped in, Italian
ministry of culture stepped in and bought the
entire deck, I believe from the descendants of
the Ser family,
that is never stated. I believe that that's.
And they bought it for 800000
euro,
and it's now in the b gallery in
Milan.
It's held there.
K. And
our imagery in the book and as you
know, the scarlet imprint are about a start
shipping a
reproduction. Perfect.
Reproduction of this deck, The imagery is being
provided by the brow gallery to us.
To make the book and the deck. Okay?
So the that takes you right up to
date.
It's just... I love it, man. And it
just to find this evidence of a continuity
of elite power and a consistency of occult
beliefs among their ranks. Is mind blowing. And
it's really like what a conspiracy
ent has been looking for for a long
long time.
Yeah I think you gotta get into the
mindset, not just of the elite,
but of what I call hardcore isa esoteric
to get this stuff. You know?
Yes.
And
on that subject,
you know, you mentioned satan,
a little bit. Everybody knows Plato doh by
name, but it's really interesting because you talk
about
his philosophy really does have kind of a
linkage to empowering
the elite or justifying the elite power, and
that threat isn't usually highlighted when you're discussing
Plato in his philosophy, but that might be
why he is such a household name and
why he's kinda been held in such high
regarded. Because as far as the a leader
concerned, he provides a basis for
why they are at the top and we're
at the bottom.
Yeah. And I think the whole way in
which
Plato those work has been handled or or
treated
and certainly by educational
institutions has varied enormously
there's like, you know, before the church, and
after the church, you know? So
in the ancient world, Plato those
teachings where from a very early dates.
You know, he has all these dialogues. There
must be what, 30, 40 dialogues.
People were coming up for ideal sequences in
which to study these dialogues.
Okay?
But they always started with the same dialogue,
A.
Now why is that?
A
deals with 1 thing only
and that is, a
is a very
rich kid
who... His parents have died He doesn't actually
have a clear sense of
what's what. But he wants to make his
mark on society and because of his wealth
he's gonna enter the political process in Athens.
Okay? So that... That's the scenario that a
bai the dialogue sets up for us.
In his
discourse or his dialogue with socrates. Socrates is
tempting to say to him. You're looking for
self ag.
But what about service?
Okay? So
the whole theme of the plato
dialogues it They they touch on many things,
you know, Ethics,
theory of knowledge, you name it. But ultimately,
it's how can an elite, govern society Just.
This is the core issue of pla.
And in order to be able to
just
run a society,
You have to be entitled to do so.
You have to be totally selfless, blah, blah
blah. K? And part of that
Plato those
recommendations is that the elite should sacrifice or
wealth and power. They shouldn't hold any property
for instance.
No money.
They shouldn't inherit anything.
They have to be solely dedicated to justice.
And part of becoming just is to become
enlightened
in your person,
selfless and enlightened. This is the plato ideal
for the elite.
Now you can see how far away we
offer
absolutely.
Getting anywhere near that, but that was the
inspiration there.
And in order to
project that kind of
justice
forward through the generations
Plato elaborated this system of meta
and spiritual internal growth
so that you know, within the photon tradition,
they had this phrase
h,
the the ill ones.
People would actually seek to become ill in
their inner nature. And therefore capable of
dealing just,
out of their very essence.
And because they don't have these family ties,
these wealth, this property,
they just do watch right.
Okay. This was the plato ideal.
Now the esoteric aspects of that is that
such an looming elite would also
have the highest connection with the day it
and so on. So they would drive the
process of subsequent meta psychosis
of rebirth if you like. Mh.
Okay? So it become a self per
mechanism.
Now somewhere along the line, Greg.
This idea of dropping
wealth property and family ties and not having
them to influence your justice.
Got lost. I'd say so.
And I think it got lost very early
in human history.
So we're living essentially with a dark platinum.
It was not intended. I mean, as far
as Plato doh Tam is concerned, the dam
is a
a deity who was filled with light
is not a dark
entity at all.
He looks towards the source, you know, of
everything.
Plato called it. The good is. It's like
an imp
source
and it it's he's filled with the beauty
of that and turns and then creates after
the manner of that.
Now,
This is like fourth fifth century Bce.
And then by the time we get to
the first and second centuries
Bce, and the first and second century ce.
This dam has now flipped over.
He's become a dark entity, ignorant entity that
refuses to acknowledge the source of his own
power.
And thinks that he is the ultimate
in terms of creativity.
Everything is behold to him and everything is
owed to him.
And this darken of the figure of the
dam is a historical
fact, which I don't think anyone has given
an explanation of.
Yeah. It's very curious.
It's absolutely central to the understanding of how
things got flipped over.
Because from this point on, you know, you
have agnostic cosmology
all identify dark
at the need to liberate yourself from him.
And therefore that gives rise to a dark
no,
which is
acknowledging the dark dam
and working with him.
K. Right. But this is a historical phenomenon.
It it was certainly never like that in
the original plato photon writing.
I can't say 1 thing though, and maybe
this will help to
contextualize it is that
we can't just look at plato though, or
we cannot just look at offers
you know, there's a whole range of theo
like He theo, you know, the birth of
all the different gods.
And
throughout the Mediterranean basin, you have a lot
of different
creation stories.
K? Mh. So you get a very mixed
bowl of starting points.
And depending on the starting point, you take
you end up in
different place.
Now
for the were renaissance lead, their key influence
if I'm right, it was it was George
Gym.
Better known as plato. Mh.
And his conception was that he took a
classical
Greek or hell
theo
he says there's, you know, absolute 3 entities,
you know, like a zoo poseidon and and
and and he said her party
And beneath them, you have a set of
celestial
deities,
and a set of cath deities.
And the canon deities these are ruled by
Saturn,
and they run the planet.
Okay? They run this planet. Mh.
So his
again is is a little
different from
what Plato it originally set out.
But it does just towards the p of
saturn in the world.
K? And that's why I take place on
like the stepping up point.
From ancient tradition into this what we call
the modern world a pre modern world of
the Renaissance.
And that, that's why Saturn features so
highly
within subsequent Mob history, I think. Mh.
Yeah. It is... It's so hard to get
a real sense of why that polar opposite
view would be taken
on the
d or just to say the creator of
the material world. Like, it's also just hard
to wrap your head around because this is
an entity that
Today, it's like we can't really see. We
feel like we can't see it or we
feel like we can't really get a handle
on something that's so outside of ourself, but
they seemed to
find some clues to kinda draw conclusions on
or to build a personality profile back in
the day. And then for it to go
the complete polar opposite way. It's just so
curious.
It is strange. And
again, you know, it's it's like the answers
are not gonna be found in
digging through these theo.
We have to think about our own
specific
situation
now,
and what priorities we have and what what
we have to work on. I think the
issue is centrally a moral issue. That we're
faced with today.
Mh. So whether you accept the existence of
a dam or not is kind of beside
the point,
Mh. The energies that people work on or
with in practice
are of a much lower order.
So that what we're faced with is a
far localized issue. Mh.
It's in my perspective,
I see it as an inter interdimensional
penetration of this reality by other realities. Wow.
And a multitude
multiple orders of beings.
Okay?
So
in a sense, the issue is far more
complicated, but it's it's far less theoretical.
So coming from background of energy healing,
you tend to get the extreme cases.
I mean, it's like if you work in
the accident and emergency award Friday night. Okay.
Saturday night, you're gonna see
extreme cases. And in sense energy healing also
brings you
confront you with pretty extreme cases.
And from that, I draw the conclusion that
we we have a say this
into
penetration of multiple
dimensions.
And the crossover
on occasion of entities between these dimensions.
And I think the anchoring is the fact
that our our... The consciousness is in my
perspective a field.
You know, it's not a product of your
neural activity. Right. It's a feel like,
a thing which has a a family
context. It has a community. It has historical
context.
It's much as though everything that Sa thought
or done coexist at the same time, and
that's the way we experience consciousness when we
work with it. In energetic way. I'm thinking
in terms of
constellation therapy, of course. Mh. You know, you
get complete strangers in the middle of the
room. You put them in
some positions to represent family members even if
the family members are dead gone a hundred
years ago, doesn't matter.
Those people will start to manifest the thoughts
behavior and feelings of the people they're representing
even though they know nothing about them. Wow.
So, you know, I mean, I would recommend
anyone to go along to half a dozen
sessions of constellation therapy and just try it
out. It's gonna change your views of reality.
That's than anything I know. Wow.
So
other cases where we have 1 on 1
healing, you know, we have people who've deceased
coming through to help in the healing process.
Other times I've dealt with very very very
dangerous and difficult
entities that's to haunt people.
Wow.
A very abusive
relationship, you know. You remember this film the
entity.
Yes.
Some... Yeah, There's some very dark stuff going
on. And there's some very bright stuff as
well.
You know, the role of higher order beings
is not
sufficiently taken account of in my experience in
this conspiracy world. Mh. People are very much
focused on docks,
which is there. There's no doubt about it.
It's dangerous. It's dark, but it's not the
whole story. Right. And
ability to cleanse and purify yourself and make
connection with higher older beings is always an
option. Mh.
It's an option everyone. And it brings extraordinary
confidence
and strength.
Yeah. That... I mean, it sounds so interesting
and it's something I'd like to experience more
and experiment with more, and it just seems
like when you trace the
evolution of Ideas and things that have been
projected into the culture. It's like, this most
recent round of
material science of atheism. I mean, this is
like, a deception that gets the culture even
further away from
not only the things you're talking about that
just seem to be part of reality structure,
but even the elite belief systems that are
hidden behind the curtain, it's just another layer
of separation, it seems to be like 1
of the biggest perceptions of our time that
any intelligent person would be a
material atheist because that's the view that, you
know, I kinda grew up with and adopted
and then discard after a crazy psychedelic trip
that showed that wasn't true, but it just
seems like a major deception to inject that
type of worldview because it's further and further
away from the stuff we're talking about.
Yeah. As well. Just as a an aside
to that, I think you have to be
careful as well when you deal with a
lot of conspiracy stuff. It also tends to
depress you. Sure. So it actually closes down
your awareness,
and it it it takes something away from
you it's still something from you. Okay? So
unless you're doing the compensatory work on the
light side,
unless you're engaged in serious
meaningful work,
you know, like you do something in the
community, which is meaningful
unless you're taken a lot of care with
what you eat and drink.
You're gonna get bored.
You know, that the strong dark occurrence
can carry most people along. Right. So you
need to do a lot of recovery work
on your often and people around you. I
guess, I've been very fortunate, you know, I've
had the opportunity to see some very light
entities at work.
And that is encouraged me to say these
things to be honest.
Sure. Yeah. That's something we definitely don't hear
about that often? Can you give us, like,
an example or or 2 of the light
side of these entities?
I'll tell you 1 very stressed story because,
you know, baffled me as well. I was
this was about 20 years ago. I was
dragged the along to see this guy, Tom
Canyon. I'd never heard of him. And he
was apparently channel these These entities called the
Hath,
and my eyes were just like rolled up,
you know.
So I... I said okay. I went along
with this gang, you know, We're sitting there
in this, like,
amp,
and Tom's sitting on the chair down on
the stage, you know? And he starts singing.
Well, this guy has I know 10 octave
taste to his voice. It is absolutely stunning,
Beautiful.
And This was going on. All of a
sudden, I saw arranged in front of him,
6 beautiful white columns of light.
And they were like glittering, you know? And
these were, like, 5 or 6 meters high.
And know I was just like, whoa.
Is wow. Was like an overlay on reality.
That's a strange thing.
And then these figures the these columns just
drifted it out off the apron
and through the audience and disappeared, you know?
And laid on in in this...
I it's not a performance, but whatever
Tom Canyon is doing with these entities. Is
apparently is getting advice and stuff.
Somebody in the audience say, well, what did
these hath look like and and Tom Me
cell when they manifest, he says, you'll see
them as tall white columns of light.
And that's exactly what I saw over there.
So
Why I I was chosen to see these
things. I don't know.
I am a bit sensitive to energies, but
there they were.
There they were.
Wow. And the advice they give, you know,
I checked Tom stuff every now and again.
It... It's all about ascension. It's all about,
you know, cleansing,
purifying the channels and so on and, you
know, it's all good clean stuff. There's no
doubt about it,
but if these higher order beings are indeed
there, and it looks like to me as
though they are, then there's some restrictions on
what they can do.
On this plane. Mh. And I would suggest
that each person's
moral or ethical behavior is the core or
the limiting factor.
And I remember, Martin luther King said, you
know, the
trajectory the off of the universe is long,
he says, but it bends towards justice.
And
that's what I see in the constellation therapy
that we do that
the core disturbances in reality arise from some
form of injustice.
And when you
expedite that injustice When you correct it,
you harmon the fields.
So there's an ongoing task that energy healer
are are embarked upon
on a personal on a community level. We're
trying to create that justice. We're trying to
eradicate
the cramp and the squeezes and everything within
the fields of consciousness
arising from injustice.
And it's injustice
seems to me the core characteristic of the
elite.
Agreed and such a noble goal that you're
working with.
So this is the work. Greg, You know,
you you you get on, and you do
the work and and in doing that work,
you rise above the fear and
pessimism
arising from the darkness.
Well said, yeah. You can only stare into
the abyss so long without doing some of
the other side. Yeah. You're gonna fall in
if you look longer.
Right On. So to to bring this back
to the deck a little bit and to
talk about
the deck, in terms of the card types
of a taro deck. Like, we have the
Trump cards, the suit cards, the court cards.
Yep. If we're gonna talk about the Trump
cards. These are the ones in in this
deck that seem to be mainly military men
and armor with weapons,
some recognizable names, some not scenes ranging from
unrecognizable ritual to that baby held over the
fire.
And you mentioned that of the known names
and soldiers in the Trump's, most of them
refer to players and Roman battles in North
Africa,
and that's interesting. What is that a clue
Is there more connective tissue to these figures
that you could tell us about?
Well, what it looks like is that the
additional image imagery on those cards
allows you to tie down a set of
Roman generals
who were embarked on 1 or other of
the so called P wars.
These were 3 great wars that Roam port
with Cart.
And so the theme again brings you back
to North Africa to Cart
to the reigning deity of Cart, Ba,
and to the most characteristic
form of sacrifice that was practiced
in Cart.
Which is the child emulation.
Right. So is this... Is it almost like
who's who of
people who had these beliefs is that the
assumption about the actual people on the cards?
Yeah. I don't think so. I think it's
just pointing towards North Africa just like the
Cards relating to the court cards relating to
Alexander's
conception.
In themselves, most of them are fairly insignificant
figures,
But when you put them together, they're
identifiable as the conception story,
which is
Alexander's conception by Ball On. Of North Africa,
Cart again.
Mh.
Okay. So it very strongly
reinforces
And and this is really... It's actually a
very curious feature of the deck that it
should point in such a forceful way.
To a entity or a being
who's
really is totally
identified with child sacrificed.
Yeah.
I mean a very dark
aspect of the decks imagery. Mh.
I would say so... And when it comes
to the suit cards, what would you tell
us that's interesting about those?
The main thing about the suit cards is
that we have an opportunity,
I've talking to the audience out
to to to put your thinking caps on
and see if we can break the code.
Almost all the suit cards have alluded
decryption up to now.
It's also worth noting that the
deck in question is the first, I suppose
and for the next 500 years, the only
deck feature fully illustrated suit cards. Is that
right?
That's right. And, you know, it simply isn't
needed for the game of Tu.
You know, you just have normal suit cards
for any game of cards. No. They've used
the 40 suit cards
to convey.
But I don't know what they did. They...
They convey a very strange set of themes.
There's a couple of them that we have
managed to get a grip off.
And if I can say it, I would
like to say that they seem to
demonstrate a patent of either homo erotic
activity,
and possibly
ritual
homo
activity.
Okay?
So again,
the ritual activity, the deck em body's a
number of ritual techniques
and substances it uses salmon and
menstrual fluid as part of the rituals. Mh.
And this is fairly typical of certainly
Renaissance magic and, you know, it's
echoes through the ages.
So, yeah, some of the cards embody this
type of information. So it's almost as though
the 2 cards have been used to amplify
certain aspects
of the decks ritual practice.
But we haven't managed to decode most of
them yet.
And,
you know, you mentioned in the book that
1 of the images that kinda
comes up in these is con people. And
I was wondering, are those
positions of the con people on the cards
consistent in any way with what you described
a little bit ago, that sort of channel.
You know, you put people in certain positions
and they can start embody characteristics of the
dead. Are those con images in any way
consistent with what you know about that practice?
It's a
this is a very complicated issue now. I
what we're dealing with is multiple levels of
encryption.
And let me give you an example. There's
a number of the Trump cards which
have roman numerals and a name, and the
name is meaningless.
Okay? But if you con coordinate
the Roman numerals and the name
and treat them all as a name as
characters.
You can then separate them out
like an ana.
And what you have is a number of
2 or 3 word elements.
And those elements can then be translated
into full words use system of encoding called
sig.
And just a few weeks ago, we found
that the V manuscript,
They had suggested that the V manuscripts
eligibility up to now was because it had
been encoded using Ci.
Now Ci was a
standard form of
abbreviation developed in Rome,
so that you take the first and last
letter of the word or the first middle
and last letter, and con coordinate them. So
you have an effect the form of shorthand.
So if you take an expression,
you can shrink it, you know, you can
condense it into these 2, 3 elements,
and then you can jumble them together.
So that you hide the meaning.
Okay. This is 1 level of encryption. Mh.
Another level of encryption is you just alluded
to the fact that some of the figures
have very distorted shape.
It may be that they represent
and I'm not sure of this Hebrew
characters.
And a hebrew characters would give you a
name and a number.
Now
The reason why it could be Hebrew is
that almost universally in the fifteenth century, Hebrew
was accepted as a sacred language.
So
even in a deck like this, which
seems to be wholly pagan.
Is possible that they used Hebrew as another
level of encryption. And what we're dealing with
therefore is multiple levels of encryption.
And it's... This is the next task
so to speak in relation to the deck.
It needs crypt analysis.
And I wanna
mention that in the context of the fifteenth
century,
crypto lithography
was a very advanced art. Mh.
Okay? And especially when you take
words
and you take
images
and you can cross them over each other.
So that some words appear as images as
we suggested with the con figures,
and some images and symbols are converted into
words, which we get with sig. Mh.
Okay. So
we're we're facing a very interesting task at
this point. Right, which is
the next stage is a crypto graphical
analysis
of the deck. And I've started making notes
towards that.
And I don't know how far are it.
The there's some other factors which people probably
should be aware of.
There's a form of encryption whereby
using an image,
you distort its
proportions
to carry an additional weight of meaning.
So for instance, there's a figure holding a
child over a fire. Right? Mh.
But the child is huge in comparison to
the small camp fire. It's held over.
There's a disproportionate there.
Right?
So the question therefore is
is the designer alluding to child sacrifice, which
seems to be the obvious
explanation
or is he through the use of proportion
suggesting
that the actual the child is not a
real physical child?
In other words, is it a h humongous.
And the whole science of the h humongous
was big stuff in the fifteenth century.
So typically,
they would have perceived for instance sperm
as Hu.
Okay.
Self sufficient to turn into a figure.
Okay? So there's a whole rim of magical
text dealing with the conversion of, or the
creation of Ham.
Okay. So can
you know, there's there's some levels of this
deck. We need to understand that it's a
multi layered
structure.
It's carrying a huge weight of meaning.
Mh.
Let me let me just mention this a
very famous professor actually pointed it out to
me. If you look on 1 of the
cards, it's called Bo.
As shows this like Crave fig knee,
holding a shield in front of him,
and the shield depicts the sun
coat of arms,
and there's light had golden band across it.
Now,
if you focus in and in and in
on this card until you got a massive
blow up of the corners of this gold
band. You'll see that it's actually demonic fella
ratio that's being depicted.
Yikes.
Okay. So again, now you're
there's a number of artists
Dick moves, the like the hem of clothing
seems to have some figures
in it. And it's only on extreme
magnification.
You start to recognize, oh, maybe these are
some alphabet. I'm not sure which alphabet.
So
The process of Renaissance artists and encoding
information
in this way. It's a bit like the
micro dot in modern, you know, espionage.
Mh.
It placed the micro dot on on on
a page, you know, as a full stop.
And unless you know it's there and where
to find it. You're never gonna see it.
Well, the renaissance artists doing the same thing
with mini.
Wow.
So to sum up, we're dealing with multiple
levels of encryption, which take images and turn
them into letters and letters into images, and
sometimes they use proportion, sometimes use mini
punctuation, and sometimes
contextual
to per convey a message.
Obviously, it's very deep, and it's really tough
to unpack. I mean, that just makes what
you've done, all that more fascinating. And I
guess to focus in on another card that
apparently is of
key interest would be the queen of cups
because it has the
references to human sacrifice. Like, tell us a
little bit about the details of that particular
card.
There's there's 2 cards.
1 is called Olympia,
and 1 is called Poly center. Okay.
And these 2 cards work in tandem with
each other.
They both
depict queens.
1 of them is sat in front of,
like a cup with a serpent coming out
of it.
And the other 1 is showing a more
mature figure.
Now,
Olympia was
Alexander, the great mother.
Okay. So she's responsible
in only the Romance
literature, it's her who has intercourse with the
God ba on in the form of a
dragon
to give birth to Alexander.
But in her maiden persona, she was known
as Paula center.
And as Poly center, she was notorious for
her
probably dion
worship.
You know, it's like wild ecstatic snake cult.
Okay. So that is there.
Now
Olympia
was
the head of
or a zion of the house of Ep.
And her ancestors would be achilles.
And
achilles
died in the Trojan war. Right? And
they took a Trojan princess
paula center and sacrificed her over his grave.
So again, there's there's like this trans
generational connectivity being suggested. You have Olympia. You
have a maiden persona Poly center, and you
have Helena is another of the court cards.
Well, Helena is obviously Helen of troy.
And that pulls poly center in her wake.
To a act of human sacrifice
again.
Again, so here's another level of encryption whereby
using
association, historical
association of names or literary
association of names?
You can suggest this trans generational connectivity. Mh.
Now why is troy significant? You know, this
is came up when I talked to Gordon.
I didn't answer it properly. Let me give
you a better answer.
Greg. Sure. Troy is significant because in Str
geography,
he describes the area around Troy it's called
the T,
as the realm or the region of the
op,
the serpent born. Mh.
Okay? And the name of the tribe is
the Az.
And
for those who are up to date with
their knowledge of Isa esoteric, as a, of
course is the name of Andrew Chu
great text of
somatic craft.
Okay? His grim is called the Az. So
the connection to the Op
and to the T
also exists in the Easter esoteric tradition.
So I just just fill that out a.
Sure.
Jeez. I mean, yeah, you gotta study so
much to kinda put these pieces together and
you know, this does bring us right into
the court cards because the court cards to
me are some of the most fast and
write in this nexus that you're discussing because,
you know, as you said,
they are names on the cards that, like,
figures it almost exclusively relate to Alexander The
great, but not his real triumphs and historical
accomplishments. It all seems to be this
Alexander Romance literature. This idea that
he is from a lineage of a hybrid
blood line of a serpent dragon entity and
This strange idea
does come up in a lot of stories
of many royal blood lines. Right?
It doesn't indeed judge. Pervasive in the ancient
world,
and you you see it in modern or
medieval Europe, early medieval Europe with the marrow
engines,
you know, this this,
you know, strange kind of
sea dragon
as the
ancestor of the Merrill engine dynasty.
Of course, the merrill engines are closely tied
up with all the temp treasure mysteries.
And, you know, all that stuff.
Right. I'm not gonna get into that stuff.
Yeah. But, I mean, also you list... Several,
like, I I really wanna dig in deep
in the future into all these different little
threads because to think that there could be
any truth to this kind of thing. In
any way, shape or form, obviously, it seems
completely
fantastical
today, but it's like
is there any way in which there could
be a core of truth to that idea?
Like you talked about
spiritual ratio. Is it possible that the elite
are off offspring
from a time when the gods mated it
with man in some way through some rituals
or is it just all, like, self con
pop in circumstance?
Well,
from an energy worker perspective,
the inter relation of these species,
certainly
occurs
in the healing context. I mean, people report
instances
of this crossover.
I documented Wong and it's available for anyone
who wants to read it. It was in
the Para psychology.
Sorry. Para anthropology Journal,
and I called it lord of the flies,
or
And it was a particular
case I I started to deal with,
and it got heavier and heavier, and I
then passed it off somebody.
Lot more capable
than myself.
But essentially, as we cleanse this person energetically,
they started to recover memories of having been
sacrificed
in a previous life,
and
As part of that sacrifice, they had been
pledged to a set of entities. Damn. Parasitic
entities. Right?
And it was those entities which in this
life were reestablish
their rights.
Okay? So
because those entities are not
constrained in the way we are with our
life cycle.
And are like forgetting at the end of
our life cycle. So like we start a
fresh each time hey. I'm here for the
first time,
And those entities say, well, no actually. You're
pledged.
So
let me put this in... As blunt away
as I can,
know you're not free, your lunch.
Okay.
For certain entities and certain class of healing
issues that we have to deal with?
There's the problem of an assumed ownership?
Which if the person doesn't start to recognize
the trans
generational
nature of their dilemma, they cannot break free
of it.
Wow.
Yeah. It's important that you you get hold
of your ethical
position in this lifetime. Mh. Okay?
And if you refuse to acknowledge the breadth
of your
responsibilities
and and and connectivity
in community and family and the recurrence of
these patents
again and again from life to life. You
can get un mesh in a very dark
bundle. To say the least? Yes. It's difficult
to un unravel unless you you start, you
know, say, okay. Let's accept first of all,
that these things exist. You need a broader
vision to free yourself from it.
Yeah. That's just another layer of that deception
to take us out of all this context
because we we have no frame of reference,
no way to orient ourselves if we don't
even know the situation we're in. And I
guess, for people listening,
what would you say would be
potential clues that people might have experienced in
their life
that might speak to
that pledging. Or or if they are pledged
or who they might be pledged to. Are
there things a person can look at to
examine their own life and try to get
a handle on this kind of stuff that
seems so foreign.
Yeah.
Normally, you know, will have surfaced in in
a number of ways, you know?
You need to look at addictions.
You did look at stuff where you're driven
rather than driving,
obsession Yeah. It's often the characteristic of entity
attachment that, you know... There's different layers of
possession, as I said earlier, like, it starts
with, like
infestation. And that's when
you have a lot of accidents, things going
wrong in your life.
You know, loss of money, loss of inheritance
as this kind of stuff.
And from there, it kinda of works up
to
well call obsession
where you
become literally obsessed with certain things, you may
become addicted,
and that then can work up to the
level of what we would call oppression.
And these people who work wake up with
scratches and bruises on their body,
you know, this, like, stuff flying at them.
We had cases where people trying to connect
them to a healer.
And like every time they call that Healer,
the phones engage, the He calls them, they
can never get through. So you get this
interference to hold the person in place.
K? And then the fourth level is possession
where people actually get taken over.
By entities. So, you know, there's 4 signs
for layers in this.
And
a more casual level perhaps is
sexual pre prediction in dreams.
That's another
sign that, you know, if that becomes a
persistent pattern,
You got a problem.
Wow.
Wow. I mean, there there is a history
of people of calling addiction or indulge is
to call them, like, bad humorous or something
to that effect? Yeah.
I don't wanna suggest that everything is always
caused
by some entities. It's not the case. These
are rare cases, but they do happen.
I really don't wanna suggest like, we can
explain everything like this. Is just not like
that. Sure. No. The psychological
has its place, you know, personality,
You know, we all have phases in our
lives when we do a lot of stupid
stuff.
True. You know?
Guilty. So all of this stuff is going
on, but, occasionally, you get people who are,
like in desperate straits.
And 1 case I had in
It's disturbing, but I'll mention it. This was
a very fit active young woman and then
all of a sudden, you know, she started
getting attacked at night.
In her dreams.
And
was was raping her as bouncing her off
the walls. This was obviously happening on an
level.
As she was taken to a psychiatrist to
a psychiatric clinic to a cardiologist
to
neuro psychiatrist to the sleep clinic.
I mean, they tried everything,
and it just went on and on. And
she came to me and I I just
realized this is way outside of Marty. You
know, like 20 years off, still going on.
Maybe 567
times a month at least.
So medical
profession as such had totally exhausted.
That they had found nothing wrong with her.
But thing is still going on. I sent
it to a, much more advanced healer.
And the first thing that hap and there's
this entity turned to the healer and said
you you get involved in this, I'm gonna
kill you.
So this is where, you know, it kind
of
You hit a wall then. Okay. So what
is it that this person needs to do
in themselves?
To begin the process of unraveling and this
is why I was saying earlier, you know?
In a sense, you have to evolve
you have to evolve morally and quickly
in your world to deal with these things.
Mh.
So I would suggest if if the darkness
has any role in life, it it's it
helps us to evolve quickly. Well, said, probably
left to ourselves. We... You know, we just
hang out.
That's good, you know? It's the classic ignorance
is bliss kind of
Yeah. Yeah.
Isn't it just you know. Mh. But when
we, like, confront the dark side in life,
We're forced to clarify
our own situation, our own posture
in relation to it, and that is spiritually
evolutionary.
For ourselves. So I don't offer that as
a justification. I just say, as a matter
of fact, it seems to work like that.
Mh.
Well, I am just so fascinated with these,
I guess we could call them, like, the
mechanisms of magic or these aspects to reality
structure
And I guess I would ask, in terms
of
being pledged to
dark entities,
is there a way in which you know,
over the years, the elite have maintained and
probably fleshed out these
rituals. Is there a way that they could,
possibly
in mass, do some type of ritual that
dedicate a large swath of people to dark
entities.
Yeah, I think you know, that that is
exactly a description of modern west,
society and culture and things like.
We're, you know, from 09:11 to you name
it. We're just hit with a wave of
negativity.
Wow. Wow. I mean, and it's everything. If
these entities feed on negativity,
my god, they must be having a feast.
Yeah. It's a real sm boy out there.
That's it.
Jeez.
So I mean, I... Just to to re
touch on the idea of blood lines having
some type of serpent dragon Rep.
Origin You you mentioned the Mayor engines. You
also talk about in the book, the first
King of Athens, the Yeah. Cr cops, they
were considered to be half serpent, Also a
lot of coat of arms and crest for
these families. You'll see dragons and serpents, and
it's always the
1 type of animal. You know? It's very
interesting that it always comes down to reptile
and not beetles or birds or
mammals or... I mean, Rep
themes are just so pervasive and it is
really interesting that you have these cards that
are hundreds of years old, and these elite
methodologies are even older, and then we have
David Ike saying that the elite and these
royal blood lines are actually rep till in
modern times, it's like, through all of history,
this has been a theme, and we just
look the other way, I guess. So we...
It's just too much to deal with.
Yeah. I I guess it's Your question is
the nature of the interaction between ourselves and
these entities. Right? Right. Yeah. I do see
them as as to an extent lying behind
god forms.
Mh.
It's almost like the prime evil form of
deity is
the dragon.
Right.
Okay? So that is the way these entities
would present themselves to us on a psychic
level.
And they represent a raw source of power,
and that's their attraction
for people who are drawn to power,
these entities are their, you know, best friends.
They promise them everything.
And to have that power
in yourself,
or to have that entity generate your own
con
energy, you know,
activated,
is gonna make you extremely powerful. Mh.
But there's like a borderline
between being activated and being possessed.
And I I think more what you're getting
at, for the elite is that they actually
allow possession. Yes.
A dark ritual
creates a...
Energetic
space
for possession to take place.
K. So ritual generates
a
form of space, which is neither objective nor
subjective.
And again, this is clear in the eth
demographic record where
anthropologists of of attended rituals.
And there's been like normal rules of gravity
and
you know, the... Like, corpses is getting up
and walking, you know? They experience these things.
It's in the eth demographic record.
But it, like, falls a foul of our
sharp distinction between subjective and objective.
You know, if it's so weird, it must
be psychological.
Right? Yes. But but actually,
ritual space is a different kind of space.
It's like ex excluded from the bodies of
the ritual,
and we see this again in constellation therapy
where a group of people
representing a family
constellation,
Even if as say the members along dead
and gone doesn't matter,
brings into being an energy feel which you
can experience and feel over there.
And within that field,
the boundaries of time and space kinda get
very fuzzy.
So that the past can live again.
So it is a feature of ritual to
create these these kind of am ambivalent
crossover spaces. And that that... That's what makes
them so efficacious. Mh. For esoteric.
Mh.
So in those ritual spaces, you can make
the connections to whichever entities your intention is
the navigator so to speak.
Gotcha. So that's really important to note because,
you know, I've been interested in getting into
magic, but, you know, as Gordon says, be
careful because it can ruin your life and
I'm like, well, my life's going pretty good
right now. It's actually... Like I feel like
I got a lottery ticket with with life
right now. So I'm like, I don't know
how much of this I wanna get into.
But, you know, if you're... I guess, if
you're morally
aligned the positive in your
motivations, you're going to attract the more positive
entities rather than the negative.
Well, just to anything, which is meaningful.
In a community sense like healing work,
and you naturally align yourself with all those
higher order beings
who are
purposefully
supporting that type of work.
K. You don't even need a ritual.
Fair enough. They're there for you.
You know, because high order beings are by
their nature, purposeful,
ethical
entities. It only requires that you align yourself
with that.
Mh.
Okay. If you need to do light rituals
fine. I mean, it's good, you know, you'll
have that connectivity.
I say I saw those entities on Tom
Canyon stage, you know, his singing was enough
to bring them
into his presence. Mh. So I I don't
doubt that they exist.
It's it's not necessary for me to do
rituals to call them.
I mean fair enough.
I just concentrate on the Heal work On
there there.
Yeah. Because that's the nature.
And that would be a question for you
too is, like, for people who have never
experienced this kind of stuff, and maybe I've
been listening to this show for a while.
We talked to these magical guests and they
talk about quite a few things, and maybe
to some listeners, it all seems abstract because
they don't have a lot of personal experience
or have I've never seen an entity or
anything like that. What would you suggest
being an energy worker
as the first steps to actually
sensing that there is something to all this
in a personal way.
Yeah. I mean, you can
go along and and and witness a constellation
therapy for instance.
That will give you all the information you
need to know about the creation of energy
fields and what happens within them. Mh. You
can go and get the
standard rei key initiation, you know?
Rei is a beautiful healing energy. It's immediately
useful.
You can heal anyone yourself.
Cats dogs, the neighbors, whatever.
It's a no brainer, but it's a real
powerful healing current.
You know, with what a comments I made
earlier about agency, it's a natural connection to
higher order of being. Mh. So those 2
easy peasy steps
will take your a long way down the
road, But first, you have to have the
clear intention to find meaning in your life.
Mh. Yeah. I mean, it makes a lot
of sense. You gotta seek it out. A
lot of people can sit here with their
arms crossed and say, well, I don't feel
anything. I don't see anything. It's like, we'll,
have you tried. Have you really sought out
these Yeah. Experts and teachers that might be
able to kinda pry that door open for
you. If you haven't, you really don't have
much of a leg to stand on.
Not just that the teachers can't help you
unless you have a positive intent. Mh.
To create meaning
in life in your life, in the life
of the people around you. That's the driver.
It's an ethical driver.
Fair enough. And so 1 other aspect that
comes up in the book a lot that
is something that I never earlier here talked
about is the practice of self fashion. And
I thought that was kind of interesting, Like,
kind of post to invoke certain things perhaps?
Like, how do we see that aspect
used among the elite or in these cards.
That's a difficult question to answer.
I think the idea of the self fashion
is that it's the way in which people
adapt themselves to the society that they find
themselves in.
And that's both a survival mechanism for sure,
but it can also become a very limiting
posture to adopt unless you're careful.
So
I think with
on self fashion, which is, like the context
for that concept,
it's the
decision to adopt a certain style
and posture
in life.
Okay.
And
the posture and style that we see amongst
those elites
was a very self serving 1. We have
to say that. The Renaissance courts were
difficult,
highly competitive
places.
For instance,
Nicola, the third day est
had children from
12:13
different women.
And so every 1 of them thought of
themselves as a rightful heir. Mh.
So you can imagine the competition and the
violence that arose from that.
So the self fashion in the Renaissance world
was very much 1 geared towards survival in
a very unruly
competitive, difficult, dangerous
court environment.
K? It is the posture of somebody who's
saying I'm kind of invincible.
And I I think, you know, that is
the page cards of the solar basket
deck beautifully
suggests the style and po
of this, like, renaissance self fashion.
Mh.
Well, that does big another kind of out
there speculative question, which, you know, I tend
to ask. And I guess it would be...
Like, because you mentioned these elite having kids
with so many different women
Is it possible
if we also add in the context that
they've made some dark pact with the demi
and the Arch icons to be the management
class of the earthly plane and kind of
the servants of these dark forces.
Is it possible that we see situations where
people have maybe fallen off that Elite family
tree as the thing spreads out and gets
more complex and hard to hold together, especially
with them having sex with so many different
women and having off offspring all over the
place, is it possible that some residue
from this pact, you know, we talked about
the idea being pledged to certain entities. Is
it possible that someone finds themselves 4 or
5 generations removed. They don't even know they're
attached to any royal blood line or anything,
deep down in that family tree. And yet
they find themselves
pledged in some type of contractor,
they find that kind of residue attached to
them themselves.
Absolutely.
Because if you like step through the mirror,
You know, instead of looking at this from
the point of view of history.
You step through the mirror into the reverse
world.
Where those entities have their being their presence.
They view
time in a different way. Yeah.
You know, they're not really concerned about the
ins and outs of of our deaths and
rebirth.
For them there's a continuity
this concept
probably of soul whatever that means,
has more meaning for them than it does
for us. Yeah. Absolutely.
Okay? So
they
exist as
potential personalities
in every
generation.
Behind the mirror.
Okay. And certain people in their lives feel
imp to make a connection with them.
Even though they can't explain that drive.
They feel
imp to make a connection with for instance
power.
Or with some dark force.
Damn. There's like a magnet,
a drawing
energy of these beings, these entities, which is
like,
wholly strange and familiar at the same time.
Propelling but attractive.
Mh.
It's like any of the dracula movies you've
watched.
You know is like the thing in the
micro chasm is this right there.
So I believe it functions in that way.
It doesn't require
everyone in a generation, but it will choose
people.
And seek to attract them.
Know, into its grip, so to speak, but
at the same time promising.
So
These entities live as potential as part of
the power structure.
At at any time they can call on
any number of people who are
so
attracted to wealth and power that they'll do
anything for that. There's never any shortage of
candidates
And we've all been kind of conditioned to
seek out wealth and power to some degree.
I mean, that's kind of capitalism in a
nutshell.
It is exactly.
Convenient.
It's very convenient. Neo liberal
to the core. Wow. Well, Man, I I
just love this. I feel like I could
do it all day, but I gotta let
you go sometime. And I just really enjoyed
the book and the conversation. It's broken down
quite well, but it still requires so much
historical context. And a lot of the players
were pretty new to me. So it is
just a great book that unlocks so many
new threads and peek behind the curtain during
that era of the Italian renaissance, and I
think there's just so much to see behind
it. So
great work. And, you know, before, I let
you go ahead I did wanna also ask
you because you are an energy worker, and
that's the expertise you have. Did that come
into play at all when you were studying
the deck when you put your hands on
this thing. We're talking about the energy of
it? I mean, did you experience that firsthand?
Yeah. And a number of times, I I
had a huge energy coming through, Greg. I
mean, I was, like, paralyzed for, like, 4
days. It was so intense.
And none of the energy workers around me
could help could move it, you know, 1
of them tried, you know, and and they
almost fainted They had to go out of
the room was that intense. So
I wasn't aware that something was driving this,
and the way the clues came to help
me break this code.
Sometimes really strange, you know.
Right. I mean, I... I'm not a great
classic scholar or something for god's sakes. I
study philosophy. Okay. University, but I didn't study
ancient philosophy.
Man. We could've fooled me. Yeah.
Sometimes I I just felt like I was
being led by the nose, you know?
Sure. Stick your face here, look at this,
Read that, read this,
put 2 and 2 together. Okay. Let's move
on. This, you know, As
and and this was the results and don't
ask me why this is manifested
at this time.
I don't know.
Yeah. Like you mentioned before we really started
recording that the story seems to want to
be told at this particular moment. Absolutely.
It's on it's it's a big energy
behind this.
Fascinating.
So also as we're wrapping vince up, can
you remind... Remind the people where to get
the book where to check out your website
and any of the other work you're doing
that people might wanna follow up on. I'm
sure they're very intrigued right now.
The go to people are scarlet in imprint,
who I worked with on this project and
they've done a superb job in designing the
book.
And in in their general curator
of this whole process. It's been excellent. Mh.
Been a pleasure to work with them. So
scarlet imprint dot com.
There's the go to place.
The deck of cards, perfect
reproduction for the first time in 500 years
with the Image imagery coming from the B
gallery itself is just coming online. They'll start
shipping in 10 days or so.
Some of the work I've done on ritual
on various aspects of
entities is in the para anthropology Journal.
Peer review journal, and I put it on
my academia dot edu you page.
So I was like free essays there. Some
bits of the book Some of the essays
that were formative, very formative
in writing the book are also up there.
So you can read those for free.
And I think you just need a a
registration. As for my personal website, it's a
disaster. I'm I'm gonna have it rebuilt. I
hope it's you know how these things get
out of date, so I'm not gonna recommend
that for anyone at this point.
Cool. Cool. Well, you are right. Scarlet Imprint.
I mean, in an era of mass production,
they have preserved
an artisan ship that you just don't see
often anymore. It's a beautiful thing. It's great
that, you know, you've written such amazing words
and they were able to complement that with
a great
book. So it's just awesome man.
Presentation is beautiful listening. It is. So all
around, amazing stuff. You've definitely contributed to our
scholar
understanding of the occult beliefs of the elite
and salute for it. Take care out there,
man. Thank you very much, Greg. It's been
a pleasure.
You got it. Take care. You too.
Sweet sweet stranger things people Peter Mark Adams
and the game of saturn,
what a great subject. And whenever someone asks
me if it's possible that the elite might
have come from a rep italian blood line
of some kind or do I think the
elite make deals with dark forces?
Gonna say don't take my word for it.
Let's just see what the Italian Renaissance elite
had to say for themselves.
It's provocative
And granted, you can't see the art on
the cards in an audio show, but you
can always use the links in the show
notes or just Google the deck. It is
really 1 of my favorite types of episodes
to do where we kind of examine something
that can move the needle in terms of
making the case for some far out positions,
And really, what is more far out than
a deal with the demi to bypass the
rein
cycle and rule over man as the management
class of this
manifestation?
Of course, I can't say exactly why the
deck was made, but given the context of
the times, it's clearly a very special piece
and I love that, Peter, really let me
run with the speculation. We pushed it today.
But, you know, that's what we do here.
Peter, though, what a knowledgeable guy, great writer.
I just loved it to find this sort
of physical evidence for a continuity?
To elite power and a consistency of quote
beliefs among their ranks?
It's mind blowing.
I also think this 1 pairs really nicely
with Chris last week, 2 of my favorite
shows lately for sure. If you don't sign
up for plus now, I guess you just
maybe never will because these are the shows
that I'd be looking for. In the second
half of today, we got deeper into the
deck in several ways. We focused in on
the Trump cards and why they point to
Northern Africa,
We broke down the mysteries of the suit
cards, the decks codes and multiple levels of
encryption, the science of the Her.
Demonic fella
cannot forget demonic.
Also, the details of the cards that reference
human sacrifice what that's all about? How Troy
was once reference to as the realm of
the serpent born?
Also the court cards and the emphasis on
half rep italian origins
certain elite blood lines, how to tell if
you were pledged to a dark entity in
a previous life. The idea of the elite
pledging
large groups of people to demons in mass
rituals.
Dragons also just to ice the cake and
the importance of positive
polarity for good measure.
I ken loved it. Can't thank Peter and
scarlet in for enough, also Gordon for having
him on rune soup and filling me in
on just how fascinating.
This study was.
In other news, Thc is doing another live
show with tin Foil Hat. This time I'm
supposed to be doing stand up, so We'll
see what I can come up with in
a week's time with no prior experience and
crippling anxiety,
but it is what it is.
So remember, remember the eighth of November at
the La jolla Comedy store. And this time,
I don't have to drive 3 hours back
and forth to La, which is a beautiful
thing. We're gonna leave that to Sam Tripoli
Ryan Davis and Eddie Bravo, who will all
be there.
I got 1 more up out to the
higher side to get out to you before
the end of October, and it is more
of just a fun 1.
The original plan was to run through a
bunch of paranormal stories for the guy who's
an author in that world for decades,
but as soon as we got going and
he noted that he was 11 when Roswell
happened and also had an body experience,
I actually just thought it was really interesting
for me in a paranormal
archive sort of sense to just hear the
anecdotes and mu of a guy in his
eighties who's lived and watched the paranormal and
cons
wheelhouse for literally,
twice the length of my entire life.
I also have a hell of a Halloween
story to tell you on that episode myself,
but I'm getting out of here. I'm still
trying to convince the wife to be my
handmade from Halloween anyone who's seen the show
because I could just wear a suit, which
is nice and easy, but I don't think
she's a huge fan of the implication.
I guess I understand, But I gotta keep
making my case and learn how to write
jokes. So I'll see you soon. Your move
out attorney brotherhood, billionaire blood lines and d
deal makers.
Your fucking.
No 1 knows. But it's like.
To be the bad.
To be the sad man.
Behind blue eyes.
For no 1 knows what it's like
to be hated.
To be faded.
To telling only
lives,
but my dreams
art
is empty
has my conscience
only
lonely.
Since they
exposed me.
On thc.
No 1 knows. 1. It's like.
To feel these feelings.
Like I do.
Can I blame you?
No 1 bites back is hard.
Hunger anger.
None of my pain world.
Can show through.
But my dream
aren't
sm empty.
Has my,
wait
but
empty.
As my
I have
always wait.
Lonely.
Since I exposed me
No 1. No. Just what it's like
to be the bad, mirror.
To be the admin
behind