1 00:00:08,454 --> 00:00:11,478 Hi everyone. Terry Well bra here. Just taking 2 00:00:11,478 --> 00:00:14,422 a moment before today's episode to touch base 3 00:00:14,422 --> 00:00:15,138 with everyone. 4 00:00:16,983 --> 00:00:19,210 Very excited to share the news that I 5 00:00:19,210 --> 00:00:20,028 was invited 6 00:00:20,801 --> 00:00:22,256 to be a part of 7 00:00:23,045 --> 00:00:25,925 pink magazine here on Hilton head Island, 8 00:00:26,484 --> 00:00:28,004 which is a wonderful magazine. 9 00:00:29,285 --> 00:00:30,219 You can pick up 10 00:00:30,578 --> 00:00:33,226 throughout the island. And I know it's at 11 00:00:33,442 --> 00:00:35,909 Harris Teeter, which is a grocery store here, 12 00:00:36,068 --> 00:00:37,715 and I was at the corner perk 13 00:00:38,234 --> 00:00:39,911 today, which was 1 of my favorite place 14 00:00:39,911 --> 00:00:41,130 meeting 2 wonderful 15 00:00:41,749 --> 00:00:44,066 new acquaintances, and we met up and 16 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:46,020 They had 17 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:48,560 copies of pink magazine there. But if you 18 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:49,939 wanna check out the article 19 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,960 about me, you can go. It's under featured 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:53,280 women. 21 00:00:54,573 --> 00:00:55,632 And it's 22 00:00:56,968 --> 00:00:58,585 at the website, it's 23 00:00:59,282 --> 00:01:04,954 all pink dot com. So ISALLPINK 24 00:01:04,954 --> 00:01:05,669 dot com, 25 00:01:06,225 --> 00:01:07,893 and you can just go to that website, 26 00:01:08,131 --> 00:01:09,403 click on featured women. 27 00:01:10,134 --> 00:01:10,612 And 28 00:01:11,011 --> 00:01:13,006 I was in last month, so June, if 29 00:01:13,006 --> 00:01:16,219 you scroll down, you'll see Terry W. So 30 00:01:16,517 --> 00:01:18,919 very exciting. But another cool thing about that 31 00:01:18,919 --> 00:01:21,464 is the founder and Ceo of the magazine, 32 00:01:21,702 --> 00:01:22,418 Elizabeth Mille, 33 00:01:23,611 --> 00:01:27,395 we connected through her invitation to me to 34 00:01:27,454 --> 00:01:27,935 submit this, 35 00:01:28,814 --> 00:01:31,215 or answer these questions for this article. 36 00:01:31,935 --> 00:01:32,435 And 37 00:01:33,947 --> 00:01:34,447 We 38 00:01:35,538 --> 00:01:36,891 are in a writing group together. 39 00:01:37,607 --> 00:01:38,959 She invited me to be a part of 40 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,187 a writing group here. She lives in my 41 00:01:41,187 --> 00:01:42,142 neighborhood turns out. 42 00:01:42,873 --> 00:01:43,929 And so 43 00:01:44,859 --> 00:01:46,074 we are now 44 00:01:46,845 --> 00:01:49,547 sitting down every Friday morning together, 45 00:01:50,341 --> 00:01:50,841 and 46 00:01:51,787 --> 00:01:52,287 writing 47 00:01:52,662 --> 00:01:56,162 along with another author and newfound friend, Tricia, 48 00:01:56,878 --> 00:01:59,514 and it's been 1 to gather with them. 49 00:01:59,831 --> 00:02:02,842 And because now I'm back to riding my 50 00:02:02,842 --> 00:02:03,001 memoir, 51 00:02:03,873 --> 00:02:04,665 unicorn shadows, 52 00:02:06,108 --> 00:02:09,136 from Trauma to triumph, a healing guide. It's 53 00:02:09,136 --> 00:02:10,968 been 10 years in the making. I talk 54 00:02:10,968 --> 00:02:12,243 about it in today's episode. 55 00:02:13,532 --> 00:02:13,771 So, 56 00:02:14,726 --> 00:02:17,112 but it's time, and it's coming together, which 57 00:02:17,112 --> 00:02:18,544 is absolutely wonderful. 58 00:02:20,469 --> 00:02:23,361 So that's the latest and greatest going on 59 00:02:23,819 --> 00:02:24,776 in my world. 60 00:02:25,892 --> 00:02:27,169 I think lots of other stuff going on, 61 00:02:27,248 --> 00:02:28,604 but that's all I'm gonna talk about right 62 00:02:28,604 --> 00:02:28,764 now. 63 00:02:29,482 --> 00:02:29,982 So 64 00:02:30,614 --> 00:02:32,632 today's episode was such a beautiful 65 00:02:34,210 --> 00:02:35,009 conversation, and, 66 00:02:36,608 --> 00:02:38,845 yeah, you have to definitely check out the 67 00:02:38,845 --> 00:02:41,726 book and the song. Oh, just listen to 68 00:02:41,726 --> 00:02:43,873 the song again. You'll you'll know what I'm 69 00:02:43,873 --> 00:02:46,100 talking about when you go, listen in to 70 00:02:46,100 --> 00:02:46,498 the song. 71 00:02:48,104 --> 00:02:49,695 That we are going to talk about in 72 00:02:49,695 --> 00:02:53,537 this episode. So here you go. Enjoy. Welcome 73 00:02:53,594 --> 00:02:55,743 everybody to the Healing place podcast. I'm, your 74 00:02:55,743 --> 00:02:58,468 host terry Well brock, and always smiling doing 75 00:02:58,468 --> 00:03:00,146 a happy dance. I talked to my guests 76 00:03:00,146 --> 00:03:02,064 beforehand, and I've then I'm like, oh my 77 00:03:02,064 --> 00:03:03,662 gosh, we should have been recording because such 78 00:03:03,662 --> 00:03:06,311 good little nuggets come up. So Today, I 79 00:03:06,311 --> 00:03:08,454 have with me Michelle Renee D bella, and 80 00:03:08,454 --> 00:03:11,971 she is the author of the award winning 81 00:03:12,265 --> 00:03:14,726 novel, the music we make. So welcome, Michelle. 82 00:03:15,775 --> 00:03:17,524 Thank you. I'm honored to be here, Terry. 83 00:03:17,684 --> 00:03:20,388 It is such an honor to be here 84 00:03:20,388 --> 00:03:22,694 talking about the hearing power of creativity and 85 00:03:22,694 --> 00:03:23,013 music. 86 00:03:23,744 --> 00:03:26,137 Oh, yes. And and that is such a 87 00:03:26,137 --> 00:03:27,652 such a gift. I tell you, 88 00:03:29,487 --> 00:03:29,987 my 89 00:03:30,444 --> 00:03:32,858 mom who died on my birthday this year 90 00:03:33,076 --> 00:03:35,078 in March of 20 23. 91 00:03:36,825 --> 00:03:37,143 She... 92 00:03:38,095 --> 00:03:40,716 So we had very tumultuous childhood, and my 93 00:03:40,716 --> 00:03:42,463 mom was a severe alcoholic. 94 00:03:43,114 --> 00:03:44,252 But in her 95 00:03:44,709 --> 00:03:46,166 moments of sobriety 96 00:03:46,783 --> 00:03:49,095 when she would connect with with my sister 97 00:03:49,095 --> 00:03:51,408 and I, she would pull out her guitar. 98 00:03:51,648 --> 00:03:52,307 And so 99 00:03:52,859 --> 00:03:55,089 our memories when my mom was in hospice 100 00:03:55,089 --> 00:03:56,602 and my sister, and I were sitting with 101 00:03:56,602 --> 00:03:58,673 her this earlier this year, 102 00:03:59,469 --> 00:04:01,594 we would sing her songs, but we would 103 00:04:01,714 --> 00:04:03,549 taught we talked to her about how much 104 00:04:03,549 --> 00:04:05,305 of a gift that was to us as 105 00:04:05,305 --> 00:04:05,805 children 106 00:04:06,502 --> 00:04:08,975 to sing... So we started singing some of 107 00:04:08,975 --> 00:04:11,453 those like, susanna and It's like, these songs 108 00:04:11,453 --> 00:04:13,064 of, like, our our childhood 109 00:04:13,755 --> 00:04:15,422 that she would play on her, you know, 110 00:04:15,581 --> 00:04:18,137 little guitar for us. So Gosh. Yes. I 111 00:04:18,137 --> 00:04:20,678 agree, and thank you for for put putting 112 00:04:20,678 --> 00:04:22,267 this book out there to talk about it. 113 00:04:22,743 --> 00:04:25,999 So thank you. Yeah. What's inspired you? I 114 00:04:25,999 --> 00:04:26,158 mean, 115 00:04:26,968 --> 00:04:29,512 how did you come about writing this book? 116 00:04:30,069 --> 00:04:33,329 So this book was inspired by a song 117 00:04:33,329 --> 00:04:34,307 that my husband 118 00:04:34,681 --> 00:04:36,113 began to write when he lost his mother 119 00:04:36,113 --> 00:04:36,510 suddenly. 120 00:04:37,083 --> 00:04:40,373 He received from her from heaven floor notes 121 00:04:40,750 --> 00:04:42,664 that were the impetus for this song go 122 00:04:42,664 --> 00:04:43,381 to paradise. 123 00:04:43,780 --> 00:04:45,317 And when we first met 124 00:04:45,628 --> 00:04:47,958 he would sit down and play this incredibly 125 00:04:48,174 --> 00:04:50,879 expressive chorus of this song. And he played 126 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:52,947 it constantly, but over years, it didn't evolve. 127 00:04:53,106 --> 00:04:55,346 It didn't go anywhere. And as I was 128 00:04:55,346 --> 00:04:57,171 looking to write my first novel, 129 00:04:57,648 --> 00:05:00,346 I wanted to use the story to show 130 00:05:00,346 --> 00:05:03,149 him how to overcome that created a block 131 00:05:03,149 --> 00:05:04,990 that he was really struggling inside of and 132 00:05:04,990 --> 00:05:07,490 really suffering as he struggled through it. So 133 00:05:07,550 --> 00:05:10,202 the really amazing thing was that As I 134 00:05:10,202 --> 00:05:12,190 finished the final draft of the music we 135 00:05:12,190 --> 00:05:13,883 make, he also 136 00:05:14,497 --> 00:05:16,406 finished his song of paradise. 137 00:05:16,819 --> 00:05:18,727 And what was even more amazing was that 138 00:05:18,727 --> 00:05:20,714 when the music we make was nominated for 139 00:05:20,714 --> 00:05:23,814 a pulitzer prize for fiction, his song, where 140 00:05:23,814 --> 00:05:25,643 a paradise was also nominated, 141 00:05:26,294 --> 00:05:28,915 for a pulitzer in music category. So how 142 00:05:28,915 --> 00:05:31,616 amazing is that? Oh, my gosh. I have 143 00:05:31,616 --> 00:05:33,919 goosebumps all down the left. Oh my. And 144 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:35,349 you got you gotta listen to you can 145 00:05:35,349 --> 00:05:37,831 download it on Apple Music on Spotify, you 146 00:05:37,831 --> 00:05:39,982 just type in bird Paradise, Dominic Bell, 147 00:05:40,858 --> 00:05:42,610 or you can go know, Mr books my 148 00:05:42,610 --> 00:05:43,805 website, and you'll see links to it there, 149 00:05:43,964 --> 00:05:46,760 but it is such an expressive piece of 150 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:47,157 music. 151 00:05:47,713 --> 00:05:47,871 And, 152 00:05:49,062 --> 00:05:51,205 in in addition, his son kind of has 153 00:05:51,205 --> 00:05:52,102 that same 154 00:05:52,809 --> 00:05:55,042 power with with expressing the myself music and 155 00:05:55,042 --> 00:05:56,956 sometimes using a 17 year old boy and 156 00:05:56,956 --> 00:05:58,073 he'll walk in the stairs and I could 157 00:05:58,073 --> 00:06:00,226 just see And I'm like, just vibrating with 158 00:06:00,226 --> 00:06:01,045 this teenage 159 00:06:01,502 --> 00:06:01,901 an, 160 00:06:02,634 --> 00:06:04,491 and he'll sit down at the piano 161 00:06:05,188 --> 00:06:07,183 and things that he can express in words, 162 00:06:07,342 --> 00:06:09,497 you'll hear coming out if he's angry. You'll 163 00:06:09,497 --> 00:06:12,465 hear these, like, deep base thunder notes rolling 164 00:06:12,465 --> 00:06:15,338 through the house. Yeah, sometimes it's light and 165 00:06:15,338 --> 00:06:16,615 delicate and beautiful. 166 00:06:17,094 --> 00:06:18,951 And I just so 167 00:06:19,264 --> 00:06:21,518 grateful that he has this outlet 168 00:06:22,055 --> 00:06:24,208 to express himself through. And it 169 00:06:24,766 --> 00:06:26,361 it's really that I'm here I'm talking about 170 00:06:26,361 --> 00:06:28,456 it with you today because I just 171 00:06:28,768 --> 00:06:31,894 finished him some helped him submit some college 172 00:06:31,951 --> 00:06:34,577 essays, and he wrote an entire essay on 173 00:06:34,577 --> 00:06:36,487 the power of creativity. And music I'm gonna 174 00:06:36,487 --> 00:06:37,442 read just a little bit of. And he 175 00:06:37,442 --> 00:06:37,601 says, 176 00:06:38,253 --> 00:06:40,088 Throughout my life, I've dealt with the demons 177 00:06:40,088 --> 00:06:41,284 of anxiety and depression, 178 00:06:41,842 --> 00:06:44,553 the divine soar to these bane beasts are 179 00:06:44,553 --> 00:06:46,866 the creative outlets of music and writing. 180 00:06:47,598 --> 00:06:49,270 Playing music has always been a way of 181 00:06:49,270 --> 00:06:52,852 exploring my emotions. The music I create unleashes 182 00:06:52,852 --> 00:06:53,590 my passions 183 00:06:54,125 --> 00:06:56,672 and trans configure them from something that destroys 184 00:06:56,672 --> 00:06:58,991 me, to something that gives me the power 185 00:06:58,991 --> 00:07:01,452 and confidence to live my life with pride. 186 00:07:02,722 --> 00:07:04,866 I'm like, you tears me up. I mean, 187 00:07:05,025 --> 00:07:05,818 he did up. 188 00:07:06,549 --> 00:07:08,461 That's... I mean, 1, 189 00:07:09,735 --> 00:07:11,966 1, my oldest son, and that 1 that 190 00:07:11,966 --> 00:07:12,784 lives in Denver 191 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,492 is so deep and poetic and he. So 192 00:07:15,492 --> 00:07:17,250 reminded me of something he would write and 193 00:07:17,250 --> 00:07:20,787 he's said oh my gosh. That's so incredible 194 00:07:20,846 --> 00:07:22,180 and beautiful. And 195 00:07:22,779 --> 00:07:25,595 Yeah. And so truthful. I mean, how many 196 00:07:26,533 --> 00:07:27,033 teenagers 197 00:07:27,971 --> 00:07:28,871 don't have 198 00:07:29,502 --> 00:07:31,405 or don't feel like they have. It's not 199 00:07:31,405 --> 00:07:32,277 that they don't have, 200 00:07:33,149 --> 00:07:35,210 access to it. They feel like they have 201 00:07:35,210 --> 00:07:36,423 that resource 202 00:07:37,129 --> 00:07:37,448 to... 203 00:07:38,725 --> 00:07:41,439 I know Our youngest, who's also a senior 204 00:07:41,439 --> 00:07:43,296 and you and I have compared notes on 205 00:07:43,754 --> 00:07:46,723 of these college apps in these discovery va 206 00:07:46,723 --> 00:07:48,321 and all of them than the essays and 207 00:07:48,321 --> 00:07:50,079 all that fun stuff. But 208 00:07:50,718 --> 00:07:52,875 you know, she has our art is her. 209 00:07:53,845 --> 00:07:55,906 Outlet Hers this photography. But 210 00:07:57,016 --> 00:07:58,760 to be able to find that in music, 211 00:07:58,919 --> 00:08:01,035 oh, music speaks to my soul, It 212 00:08:01,710 --> 00:08:03,141 it's... I think it speaks to all of 213 00:08:03,141 --> 00:08:04,651 our soul and some of us, we are 214 00:08:04,651 --> 00:08:06,161 able to write music and some of us 215 00:08:06,161 --> 00:08:07,592 we just get to listen to it and 216 00:08:07,592 --> 00:08:08,568 enjoy it. But 217 00:08:08,958 --> 00:08:10,705 I was really excited for the song word 218 00:08:10,705 --> 00:08:13,509 of paradise because it's 1 of those songs 219 00:08:13,565 --> 00:08:15,551 that you can sit with and process your 220 00:08:15,551 --> 00:08:18,013 emotions through, especially emotions like Grief. 221 00:08:19,064 --> 00:08:21,545 And and the entire novel the music we 222 00:08:21,545 --> 00:08:24,105 make, which is really sort of even just 223 00:08:24,105 --> 00:08:26,425 an expression of the song, the song is 224 00:08:26,425 --> 00:08:27,645 symbolic of the characters 225 00:08:28,278 --> 00:08:32,330 move through grief and addiction, and I was 226 00:08:32,330 --> 00:08:34,396 really grateful to find a way to express 227 00:08:34,396 --> 00:08:35,373 it so powerfully. 228 00:08:35,747 --> 00:08:37,753 And when I read a lot of the 229 00:08:37,753 --> 00:08:39,271 reviews that people have left for me on 230 00:08:39,591 --> 00:08:42,408 Amazon and for good rates. They talk about 231 00:08:43,106 --> 00:08:43,606 how 232 00:08:44,718 --> 00:08:45,218 important 233 00:08:45,834 --> 00:08:48,227 his journey was and helping them understand their 234 00:08:48,227 --> 00:08:50,540 own journey. It was through through grief and 235 00:08:50,540 --> 00:08:52,454 through addiction. So I was really... That was 236 00:08:52,454 --> 00:08:53,411 really rewarding for me. 237 00:08:54,064 --> 00:08:56,541 Yeah. Well, again, I'm so... I I told 238 00:08:56,541 --> 00:08:59,098 you I never read books that I received 239 00:08:59,098 --> 00:08:59,838 from authors 240 00:09:00,776 --> 00:09:02,942 before doing the show because I just wanna 241 00:09:02,942 --> 00:09:05,504 be authentic in my... I don't know my 242 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,700 reaction to answers and a new question. I 243 00:09:07,700 --> 00:09:08,969 don't know what. I don't wanna know the 244 00:09:08,969 --> 00:09:11,050 answers I had a time. So I'm so 245 00:09:11,050 --> 00:09:13,463 incredibly excited to dive into this 1 because 246 00:09:14,078 --> 00:09:16,309 I have been on such a grief journey. 247 00:09:16,548 --> 00:09:17,982 Like, I told you my mom died at 248 00:09:18,062 --> 00:09:20,547 March than what 1 of my sol, my 249 00:09:20,547 --> 00:09:22,459 dear friends in all the world died in 250 00:09:22,539 --> 00:09:25,567 May, and my nephew just died by suicide. 251 00:09:25,965 --> 00:09:28,289 It, like, I've had this 20 23 has 252 00:09:28,289 --> 00:09:30,915 been, like, 5 really big deaths in in 253 00:09:30,915 --> 00:09:31,392 my life. 254 00:09:32,028 --> 00:09:34,574 And so there's that grief component, but then 255 00:09:34,574 --> 00:09:36,979 there's also the addiction component that woven in, 256 00:09:37,139 --> 00:09:40,814 and and that's it's all very heavy subjects. 257 00:09:40,974 --> 00:09:41,474 But 258 00:09:42,572 --> 00:09:44,865 when you talk about it and put these 259 00:09:45,063 --> 00:09:48,400 truths out there. Mh. Wow, it's amazing how 260 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,045 it helps people not feel so alone and 261 00:09:52,230 --> 00:09:54,310 can really help them along their journey. So 262 00:09:54,310 --> 00:09:55,190 thank thank you. 263 00:09:55,990 --> 00:09:58,149 Absolutely, You know, and alone as you just 264 00:09:58,149 --> 00:09:59,830 mentioned is is 1 of the things I 265 00:09:59,830 --> 00:10:00,570 deal within 266 00:10:01,283 --> 00:10:02,100 the story 267 00:10:02,473 --> 00:10:02,973 that 268 00:10:03,504 --> 00:10:04,797 human connection 269 00:10:05,249 --> 00:10:07,629 is 1 of our greatest ways out. 270 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:11,219 Of addiction in grief and finding people in 271 00:10:11,219 --> 00:10:12,434 our lives to 272 00:10:12,967 --> 00:10:15,613 just to be with and to help us 273 00:10:15,749 --> 00:10:17,673 to hear us to feel us. And be 274 00:10:17,673 --> 00:10:19,510 with us on our journey is so important. 275 00:10:19,829 --> 00:10:20,867 I know really we talk about that in 276 00:10:20,867 --> 00:10:21,346 the story. 277 00:10:22,065 --> 00:10:24,699 And also like that the collaborative power of, 278 00:10:24,859 --> 00:10:26,775 you know, creating something with people. 279 00:10:27,428 --> 00:10:29,021 Is is a really beautiful part of that 280 00:10:29,021 --> 00:10:29,579 journey too. 281 00:10:30,376 --> 00:10:32,209 Yeah. I wanna go back for just a 282 00:10:32,209 --> 00:10:33,643 second. And we'll we'll come back around to 283 00:10:33,643 --> 00:10:34,462 this, but 284 00:10:34,853 --> 00:10:36,206 when you when you mentioned, 285 00:10:37,957 --> 00:10:40,345 when we first started talking about receiving the 286 00:10:40,345 --> 00:10:41,937 message in the... From, 287 00:10:42,494 --> 00:10:46,176 your mother law's from your husband's mother. And 288 00:10:46,176 --> 00:10:48,011 what wasn't you that that... You received the 289 00:10:48,011 --> 00:10:50,406 message? No. No. It was it was him. 290 00:10:50,566 --> 00:10:53,141 He he said he received these 4 291 00:10:53,693 --> 00:10:56,075 musical notes, and they were just kind of 292 00:10:56,075 --> 00:10:58,060 eating at him to turn into this song, 293 00:10:58,616 --> 00:11:00,442 and then it was something that took him 294 00:11:00,442 --> 00:11:00,942 decades 295 00:11:01,649 --> 00:11:04,039 to work through. But when he was able 296 00:11:04,039 --> 00:11:05,075 to finally do it, 297 00:11:05,872 --> 00:11:08,262 it was so healing for him. The release 298 00:11:08,262 --> 00:11:09,856 of this song into the world was just 299 00:11:09,856 --> 00:11:11,943 an incredibly healing thing for him my I 300 00:11:11,943 --> 00:11:15,135 watched the transformation. And, and then you see 301 00:11:15,135 --> 00:11:17,769 the transformation in Santiago, the protagonist of music 302 00:11:17,769 --> 00:11:19,126 we make as you read it. 303 00:11:19,938 --> 00:11:22,588 Okay. Yeah. Well, I'm so glad you you 304 00:11:22,725 --> 00:11:24,876 clarified that because 122 305 00:11:24,876 --> 00:11:25,115 things. 306 00:11:25,991 --> 00:11:27,185 We talk a lot about a lot on 307 00:11:27,185 --> 00:11:28,482 the show about 308 00:11:28,795 --> 00:11:32,254 being open to the signs and those messages 309 00:11:32,315 --> 00:11:34,475 that we get from what whatever you wanna 310 00:11:34,475 --> 00:11:36,955 call it. God have an angels source you, 311 00:11:37,609 --> 00:11:38,109 yeah. 312 00:11:39,283 --> 00:11:40,022 But also 313 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,430 that I'd love what you just said in 314 00:11:43,430 --> 00:11:45,285 that it took him a while 315 00:11:45,742 --> 00:11:46,242 to 316 00:11:46,793 --> 00:11:48,697 do something with it. So we can be 317 00:11:48,697 --> 00:11:52,665 open to these amazing messages. Right? Mh. And 318 00:11:52,665 --> 00:11:53,561 then just 319 00:11:54,029 --> 00:11:55,940 back and also the people that come into 320 00:11:55,940 --> 00:11:57,634 our lives that help us 321 00:11:58,009 --> 00:11:59,602 create them the way they were supposed to 322 00:11:59,602 --> 00:12:01,512 be created. And then kind of a fun 323 00:12:01,512 --> 00:12:03,605 part of along those lines is that, you 324 00:12:03,605 --> 00:12:05,705 know, he had this beautiful piece of music 325 00:12:05,845 --> 00:12:08,485 that for me was always just this bear 326 00:12:08,485 --> 00:12:10,404 naked piano ballot. I heard it through the 327 00:12:10,404 --> 00:12:13,216 house constantly as his this piano ballot. But 328 00:12:13,216 --> 00:12:15,930 in his head, it had violin and it 329 00:12:15,930 --> 00:12:18,085 had guitars and it had drums and it 330 00:12:18,085 --> 00:12:19,384 had all these other 331 00:12:20,001 --> 00:12:20,501 instruments 332 00:12:20,974 --> 00:12:22,569 and he as he finished it and had 333 00:12:22,569 --> 00:12:23,925 all the lyrics ready? He was like, how 334 00:12:23,925 --> 00:12:25,999 am I gonna get this produced, You know, 335 00:12:26,318 --> 00:12:27,434 how am Gonna get this into the world? 336 00:12:27,913 --> 00:12:29,269 And he had a friend that he'd gone 337 00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:30,226 to grade school with. 338 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:31,838 Who was 339 00:12:33,037 --> 00:12:34,795 was adopted, but he had found out in 340 00:12:34,795 --> 00:12:36,712 his thirties that he was the son of 341 00:12:37,671 --> 00:12:38,870 of David Crosby. 342 00:12:39,524 --> 00:12:42,081 And and so he he'd become music producer 343 00:12:42,081 --> 00:12:43,760 and was successful in the music industry in 344 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,598 his own right before he even knew that 345 00:12:45,598 --> 00:12:48,075 his father was this mega superstar in the 346 00:12:48,075 --> 00:12:48,555 music world. 347 00:12:49,208 --> 00:12:51,434 But he... And my husband dominic were good 348 00:12:51,434 --> 00:12:52,944 friends as kids. 349 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:55,488 And so they connected to Facebook. They hadn't 350 00:12:55,488 --> 00:12:56,283 talked in decades. 351 00:12:56,934 --> 00:12:58,774 And he sent him just that that Bear 352 00:12:58,774 --> 00:13:00,215 naked in, you know, piano track and he 353 00:13:00,215 --> 00:13:01,654 said, oh, we can do something beautiful with 354 00:13:01,654 --> 00:13:03,254 this. Oh And then together. 355 00:13:04,455 --> 00:13:06,386 Excuse me. Together, they made this cri piece 356 00:13:06,386 --> 00:13:09,244 of music, and he found the vocalist Randall 357 00:13:09,403 --> 00:13:12,817 Thomas, who did the most incredible vocal performance, 358 00:13:13,215 --> 00:13:15,545 and there's this ghost lyric at the end, 359 00:13:16,105 --> 00:13:18,024 and we we knew how... Or my husband, 360 00:13:18,185 --> 00:13:19,384 I should say knew how we wanted it 361 00:13:19,384 --> 00:13:22,120 to sound. But he just kinda barely mentioned 362 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,480 it to Randall in the studio, 363 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,540 and he made it sound exactly 364 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,840 like what we were hoping. And we both 365 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,040 heard and we were relate like a your 366 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:30,815 talking of the goosebumps 367 00:13:31,650 --> 00:13:33,184 oh him. It's exactly 368 00:13:33,718 --> 00:13:35,786 how it was supposed to be. And I 369 00:13:35,786 --> 00:13:37,616 think that's how things are when, you know, 370 00:13:37,695 --> 00:13:39,785 when the energy for things lines up and 371 00:13:39,785 --> 00:13:41,941 comes together. They are exactly how they're supposed 372 00:13:41,941 --> 00:13:44,575 to be. Yes. Oh my gosh we gave 373 00:13:44,575 --> 00:13:46,945 me Again. So... Well, and then and then 374 00:13:46,984 --> 00:13:48,422 you. And I think I I think I... 375 00:13:48,902 --> 00:13:50,440 You know, as I said that that naked 376 00:13:50,499 --> 00:13:53,056 piano track is an... As a bonus track 377 00:13:53,056 --> 00:13:55,149 on the audible book, version of the music 378 00:13:55,149 --> 00:13:56,990 we make. And you as a narrator books, 379 00:13:57,149 --> 00:13:58,190 you know how much fun it is to 380 00:13:58,190 --> 00:14:01,490 na books. But I narrated this 381 00:14:01,804 --> 00:14:04,204 and it was hands down the best part 382 00:14:04,204 --> 00:14:06,524 of the project. I loved every second of 383 00:14:06,524 --> 00:14:08,125 it. It was so much fun for me. 384 00:14:08,939 --> 00:14:11,016 Yeah. I... I've just had my fifth 1 385 00:14:11,016 --> 00:14:12,295 released this morning and so... 386 00:14:13,253 --> 00:14:16,150 Congratulations. Yeah. Thanks. It's it is. It's so 387 00:14:16,384 --> 00:14:18,696 I have fun watching it come to life 388 00:14:18,696 --> 00:14:20,392 and being a part of it 389 00:14:20,769 --> 00:14:24,278 coming to life. So again, it just kudos 390 00:14:24,278 --> 00:14:27,100 to you for being the voice of your 391 00:14:27,156 --> 00:14:29,936 of your creation. I Think know. I would... 392 00:14:30,412 --> 00:14:32,739 I was so nervous to do it 393 00:14:33,113 --> 00:14:36,073 because the main character is a 22 year 394 00:14:36,073 --> 00:14:37,427 old man. And how am I gonna go 395 00:14:37,427 --> 00:14:39,975 into the studio and do this male part 396 00:14:39,975 --> 00:14:41,510 from most of the book There is also 397 00:14:41,886 --> 00:14:44,366 some some chapters of kitty Holiday, and those 398 00:14:44,366 --> 00:14:45,876 were a lot easier. But 399 00:14:46,432 --> 00:14:47,625 but I got into the studio and my 400 00:14:47,625 --> 00:14:49,930 husband was a director, and, we have this 401 00:14:50,724 --> 00:14:52,592 this guy doing the 402 00:14:53,049 --> 00:14:54,962 production and doing the recording and these name 403 00:14:54,962 --> 00:14:57,353 is Josh Good. And he... Right away, they 404 00:14:57,353 --> 00:14:58,549 were like, oh yeah. No. This is gonna 405 00:14:58,549 --> 00:14:59,998 be great. This is gonna be fine. And 406 00:14:59,998 --> 00:15:01,981 it gave me this incredible confidence, and we 407 00:15:01,981 --> 00:15:03,512 had the best time 408 00:15:03,884 --> 00:15:04,781 in the studio 409 00:15:05,392 --> 00:15:07,454 recording the book. And when we were done, 410 00:15:08,104 --> 00:15:09,780 josh it up, and he said, the book 411 00:15:09,780 --> 00:15:10,918 itself is a masterpiece. 412 00:15:11,296 --> 00:15:13,610 Oh, because it's not how incredible... Like, because 413 00:15:13,610 --> 00:15:15,659 he was he was only 20, and the 414 00:15:15,859 --> 00:15:17,853 this character is this 22 year old, you 415 00:15:17,853 --> 00:15:19,709 young, man, and I thought, how... How wonderful 416 00:15:20,246 --> 00:15:22,639 that this character that I worked so hard 417 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:25,531 to present the the story of was 418 00:15:26,162 --> 00:15:28,154 appreciated in such a way by a man 419 00:15:28,154 --> 00:15:30,225 his same age. So that was really cool. 420 00:15:30,464 --> 00:15:32,295 Yeah. That is very cool. I mean, that's 421 00:15:32,295 --> 00:15:34,605 like there's such a huge kudos and, like, 422 00:15:35,099 --> 00:15:37,491 big celebration in and of itself. So Really 423 00:15:37,491 --> 00:15:38,130 he was. 424 00:15:39,725 --> 00:15:41,639 That's awesome. Well, we had chatted for just 425 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:43,473 a second beforehand, and 1 of the things 426 00:15:43,473 --> 00:15:45,957 we talked about was I told you my 427 00:15:45,957 --> 00:15:47,729 my 17 year old is, 428 00:15:48,422 --> 00:15:51,999 just working on her private pilot license. And 429 00:15:51,999 --> 00:15:52,976 so she's now 430 00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:55,829 landing and flying planes on her own and 431 00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:58,373 as a mom, you know, obviously, with especially 432 00:15:58,373 --> 00:16:00,837 a mom with anxiety history, you know, nervous. 433 00:16:00,996 --> 00:16:02,744 But when we got a tour of the 434 00:16:02,744 --> 00:16:03,483 of the 435 00:16:03,873 --> 00:16:04,373 little 436 00:16:04,749 --> 00:16:05,807 airport hanger 437 00:16:06,183 --> 00:16:07,559 and met with her 438 00:16:07,935 --> 00:16:10,723 instructor initially. His plane has a parachute on 439 00:16:10,723 --> 00:16:11,838 the top of it, which I think is 440 00:16:11,838 --> 00:16:14,085 the coolest as things. So that makes makes 441 00:16:14,085 --> 00:16:15,600 me breathe a little easier that she could 442 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,629 do handle if she needs to. But you 443 00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:21,202 talked about how you utilized 444 00:16:21,754 --> 00:16:22,254 for 445 00:16:23,349 --> 00:16:24,625 in your book, your dad, 446 00:16:25,662 --> 00:16:28,134 was a pilot. And so my my dad 447 00:16:28,134 --> 00:16:29,969 was a pilot of just small aircraft, and 448 00:16:29,969 --> 00:16:31,818 so growing up, he took us up this 449 00:16:31,818 --> 00:16:33,254 plane often, and it was just 1 of 450 00:16:33,254 --> 00:16:35,908 those fun parts of my childhood. And so 451 00:16:36,046 --> 00:16:38,837 in the novel, I wanted my character to 452 00:16:38,837 --> 00:16:41,252 have that kind of danger outlet because 453 00:16:42,202 --> 00:16:42,840 for him, 454 00:16:43,638 --> 00:16:44,138 he 455 00:16:44,515 --> 00:16:47,067 he didn't have the the will to live 456 00:16:47,067 --> 00:16:49,141 and in that place of not all having 457 00:16:49,141 --> 00:16:50,895 the will to live was this, like, sort 458 00:16:50,895 --> 00:16:51,190 of 459 00:16:52,188 --> 00:16:54,185 not worrying about dying. And so he kind 460 00:16:54,185 --> 00:16:56,263 of falls into going up in an airplane 461 00:16:56,263 --> 00:16:57,780 and becomes this thing that he does that 462 00:16:57,780 --> 00:16:58,475 he's not 463 00:16:58,832 --> 00:16:59,626 afraid to die, 464 00:17:00,182 --> 00:17:02,486 and he thinks that that is giving him 465 00:17:02,486 --> 00:17:03,122 this edge, 466 00:17:03,996 --> 00:17:07,748 that the ability to commit suicide. Is giving 467 00:17:07,748 --> 00:17:08,786 him an edge and, of course, he finds 468 00:17:08,945 --> 00:17:10,382 I think that's not really true at all. 469 00:17:10,861 --> 00:17:14,794 But, the climax of the novel takes place 470 00:17:14,932 --> 00:17:15,991 in the air 471 00:17:16,304 --> 00:17:17,823 I... It was so important to me for 472 00:17:17,823 --> 00:17:20,380 it to be this really incredible scene and 473 00:17:20,380 --> 00:17:21,979 in the, you know, all of the details 474 00:17:21,979 --> 00:17:23,817 had to be just right. And so I 475 00:17:23,817 --> 00:17:25,096 thought, well how am Gonna do this? I'm 476 00:17:25,096 --> 00:17:25,835 not a pilot 477 00:17:26,228 --> 00:17:28,138 but my dad is, and so I went 478 00:17:28,138 --> 00:17:30,467 to my dad, and we had the most 479 00:17:30,683 --> 00:17:31,183 incredible 480 00:17:32,036 --> 00:17:32,536 collaborative 481 00:17:32,990 --> 00:17:35,234 session where... I mean, it was, like 20 482 00:17:35,234 --> 00:17:36,752 or 30 minutes we sat down, I told 483 00:17:36,752 --> 00:17:38,431 them the goals we needed to accomplish, And 484 00:17:38,431 --> 00:17:40,429 what was gonna happen, and we just wrote 485 00:17:40,429 --> 00:17:42,426 it out sentence by sentence, and I think 486 00:17:42,426 --> 00:17:43,705 it's really the best scene in the book. 487 00:17:44,278 --> 00:17:46,417 Oh my gosh. I love it. And I... 488 00:17:47,210 --> 00:17:49,588 Like, again, divine... I don't know what it's 489 00:17:49,588 --> 00:17:51,545 happening with with life today, but 490 00:17:52,542 --> 00:17:53,042 the 491 00:17:53,420 --> 00:17:55,813 collaboration part of it, right before today, 492 00:17:56,452 --> 00:17:58,787 meeting with you, I had just 493 00:17:59,419 --> 00:18:02,544 phone chat, you know, coffee chat via Zoom 494 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:03,818 with somebody 495 00:18:04,272 --> 00:18:06,714 working in a publishing company in Paris 496 00:18:07,073 --> 00:18:09,306 And so we were having this wonderful little 497 00:18:09,306 --> 00:18:11,800 chi chat, and it was all about 498 00:18:12,337 --> 00:18:13,932 collaboration, and it was 1 of the audiobooks 499 00:18:14,091 --> 00:18:15,447 I had done. The first 1 I had 500 00:18:15,447 --> 00:18:15,686 done. 501 00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:19,380 They they were the production company for it. 502 00:18:19,539 --> 00:18:22,339 And anyway, so we're talking about bringing guests 503 00:18:22,339 --> 00:18:24,019 onto the show and then they want me 504 00:18:24,019 --> 00:18:25,539 to do a book, which is really cool. 505 00:18:25,874 --> 00:18:28,665 And so, again, like, collaboration, I I love 506 00:18:28,665 --> 00:18:30,180 that you're bringing it up, the timing of 507 00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:31,398 it it's so perfect 508 00:18:32,014 --> 00:18:34,008 and your... With your with your husband's work 509 00:18:34,008 --> 00:18:34,667 with the 510 00:18:35,457 --> 00:18:37,126 song, and you guys all working together? I 511 00:18:37,126 --> 00:18:38,897 mean your husband producing the audiobook. 512 00:18:39,907 --> 00:18:42,371 Gosh. So anyone who's listening? Yes. 513 00:18:43,261 --> 00:18:46,522 Collaboration be open to the beauty of allowing 514 00:18:46,522 --> 00:18:48,511 these things to come into your life. It's 515 00:18:48,511 --> 00:18:49,011 just. 516 00:18:49,959 --> 00:18:52,272 Yeah because it's there's so much bigger and 517 00:18:52,272 --> 00:18:54,585 better when we work with other creative artists 518 00:18:54,585 --> 00:18:55,701 to to bring him into the world. Like 519 00:18:55,781 --> 00:18:57,137 I said, when he was working with James 520 00:18:57,297 --> 00:18:59,131 Raymond to produce the song, 521 00:18:59,784 --> 00:19:01,223 It was probably the most fun he'd had 522 00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:03,540 in years. When I was working with him 523 00:19:03,540 --> 00:19:05,459 and the studio to to do the audio 524 00:19:05,459 --> 00:19:07,616 because most of the Had in years. And 525 00:19:07,616 --> 00:19:10,029 and it was really great too because writing 526 00:19:10,029 --> 00:19:12,506 can be such a lonely process, and you 527 00:19:12,506 --> 00:19:14,664 just kinda have to to sit through that 528 00:19:14,664 --> 00:19:17,061 solitary time. It's, like, I had editors and 529 00:19:17,061 --> 00:19:19,153 things that I worked with, but so much 530 00:19:19,153 --> 00:19:20,748 of it is lonely. And so then to 531 00:19:20,748 --> 00:19:23,539 get to the more collaborative place of the 532 00:19:23,539 --> 00:19:26,671 audiobook and a song. Just... It was the 533 00:19:26,729 --> 00:19:27,686 icing on the cake, 534 00:19:28,339 --> 00:19:30,197 Yes. Yes. Now 535 00:19:30,736 --> 00:19:33,692 your book... It is it a standalone project 536 00:19:33,692 --> 00:19:35,463 or do you do you go Do you 537 00:19:35,463 --> 00:19:38,174 do speaking engagements about it? Do you do 538 00:19:38,174 --> 00:19:41,523 work with individuals? I have done some speaking 539 00:19:41,523 --> 00:19:43,777 engagements. My favorite where I was invited to 540 00:19:44,088 --> 00:19:44,905 Cal state University 541 00:19:45,516 --> 00:19:48,318 by professor, to speak to his literature students 542 00:19:48,849 --> 00:19:50,302 about my journey 543 00:19:50,754 --> 00:19:51,968 through the creative process, 544 00:19:52,674 --> 00:19:54,049 and overcoming resistance 545 00:19:54,504 --> 00:19:56,653 and sort of moving through the hero's journey 546 00:19:56,653 --> 00:19:57,949 into the artist journey 547 00:19:58,483 --> 00:19:58,983 and 548 00:19:59,677 --> 00:20:00,177 just 549 00:20:00,791 --> 00:20:01,291 how 550 00:20:02,398 --> 00:20:06,162 that process works and how important it is 551 00:20:06,617 --> 00:20:08,312 for us to find 552 00:20:09,086 --> 00:20:09,824 our outlet 553 00:20:10,534 --> 00:20:12,448 and to... And I was talking about, like, 554 00:20:12,767 --> 00:20:15,160 for me, there's a certain time of each 555 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:15,660 day 556 00:20:16,197 --> 00:20:18,669 that I have the most creative power. And 557 00:20:18,669 --> 00:20:20,126 it's important for me to seize 558 00:20:20,439 --> 00:20:22,437 that day and do my team work at 559 00:20:22,437 --> 00:20:22,997 that time, 560 00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:24,775 and my message 561 00:20:25,154 --> 00:20:27,392 to them and to everyone listening, if you 562 00:20:27,392 --> 00:20:28,990 have a creative outlet and know they're the 563 00:20:28,990 --> 00:20:31,948 time of day that your most powerful at 564 00:20:31,948 --> 00:20:34,249 expressing it, seize that time, 565 00:20:34,884 --> 00:20:36,709 make it work for you because it makes 566 00:20:36,709 --> 00:20:38,081 the rest of your day 567 00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:40,145 the rest of your life that much more 568 00:20:40,145 --> 00:20:40,544 powerful. 569 00:20:41,421 --> 00:20:43,894 Yeah. Wow, I've been writing my memoir for 570 00:20:43,894 --> 00:20:44,373 10 years. 571 00:20:45,903 --> 00:20:47,970 That's how long it takes. I know. And 572 00:20:48,129 --> 00:20:49,877 I'm, like, I'm, like, I know everybody, I 573 00:20:49,877 --> 00:20:51,467 promise it's gonna be done. 1 of these 574 00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:54,827 days. But... Yeah. It's it did so... It's 575 00:20:54,827 --> 00:20:56,423 so true because if I don't... 576 00:20:58,020 --> 00:20:59,536 I don't wanna say make myself. If I 577 00:20:59,536 --> 00:21:00,276 don't honor 578 00:21:00,734 --> 00:21:00,973 myself. 579 00:21:01,692 --> 00:21:02,511 But like 580 00:21:02,903 --> 00:21:06,249 yeah. Giving giving myself that opportunity. I'm really 581 00:21:06,249 --> 00:21:07,386 glad you used 582 00:21:07,842 --> 00:21:09,197 because 1 for myself, 583 00:21:09,929 --> 00:21:11,046 I needed that reminder, 584 00:21:12,162 --> 00:21:13,619 to honor it, but 585 00:21:13,997 --> 00:21:16,230 you just mentioned the hero's journey and the 586 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:18,304 artist journey. And I've I've heard the hero's 587 00:21:18,304 --> 00:21:19,101 journey before, 588 00:21:19,834 --> 00:21:22,224 but, like, not transitioning to the artist journey. 589 00:21:22,464 --> 00:21:24,695 Can you can you elaborate on that just 590 00:21:24,695 --> 00:21:26,368 a little bit? I I should say that 591 00:21:26,448 --> 00:21:29,567 I've I've taken these ideas from Steven Pre, 592 00:21:29,727 --> 00:21:30,204 who 593 00:21:31,318 --> 00:21:33,387 who elaborate on them much more eloquently than 594 00:21:33,466 --> 00:21:35,774 I do, but he... It... In his book, 595 00:21:35,933 --> 00:21:37,543 the wore of art, which I think is 596 00:21:37,543 --> 00:21:40,201 just such a fantastic title. He really gets 597 00:21:40,340 --> 00:21:43,237 into this, and he really talks mostly about 598 00:21:43,296 --> 00:21:44,255 overcoming resistance. 599 00:21:44,749 --> 00:21:47,247 And the way that I describe resistance is 600 00:21:47,706 --> 00:21:48,206 everything 601 00:21:49,144 --> 00:21:52,420 that is preventing you from fulfilling your destiny. 602 00:21:53,073 --> 00:21:55,145 And for me, I went through a period 603 00:21:55,145 --> 00:21:57,536 of, you know, time just even almost this 604 00:21:57,536 --> 00:21:58,833 exact time last year 605 00:21:59,289 --> 00:21:59,789 where 606 00:22:00,738 --> 00:22:03,123 my resistance was stopping me from doing all 607 00:22:03,123 --> 00:22:04,793 of the things that I needed to do. 608 00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:07,338 And so I had to really grab that 609 00:22:07,338 --> 00:22:09,167 bull by the horns and say, okay, I'm 610 00:22:09,167 --> 00:22:10,414 not gonna let you 611 00:22:10,852 --> 00:22:13,157 keep me from fulfilling my destiny. I'm going 612 00:22:13,157 --> 00:22:14,270 to, you know, 613 00:22:14,986 --> 00:22:18,268 seize this time. I'm gonna give myself permission 614 00:22:18,657 --> 00:22:19,688 to be an artist. 615 00:22:20,164 --> 00:22:22,306 And that very phrase was what was so 616 00:22:22,306 --> 00:22:24,448 helpful with my husband because they he'd been 617 00:22:24,448 --> 00:22:26,432 working on this song for all these years, 618 00:22:26,924 --> 00:22:28,203 And now I'm waking up and I'm saying, 619 00:22:28,283 --> 00:22:29,881 okay Today is the day write the song. 620 00:22:30,361 --> 00:22:31,879 And is Said what you mean I'm a 621 00:22:31,879 --> 00:22:32,379 businessman. 622 00:22:32,758 --> 00:22:34,196 I don't have time to go into that 623 00:22:34,196 --> 00:22:36,288 creative side of my brain. I don't that 624 00:22:36,288 --> 00:22:38,202 opportunity and I said, you know, I think 625 00:22:38,202 --> 00:22:39,797 it's okay to get cell permission be an 626 00:22:39,797 --> 00:22:40,696 artist today 627 00:22:41,073 --> 00:22:42,270 because you are. 628 00:22:43,067 --> 00:22:43,546 And 629 00:22:44,663 --> 00:22:45,163 and 630 00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:47,146 that day, 631 00:22:49,056 --> 00:22:50,727 he wrote the song in, like, 20 or 632 00:22:50,727 --> 00:22:53,671 30 minutes. It just came out. And so 633 00:22:53,671 --> 00:22:54,409 it was 634 00:22:54,878 --> 00:22:56,464 It was likely he'd been waiting for someone 635 00:22:56,464 --> 00:22:58,368 to give him permission to be the artist 636 00:22:58,368 --> 00:23:00,509 that he is. And so everyone listening I'm 637 00:23:00,509 --> 00:23:01,778 giving you that permission right now. 638 00:23:03,220 --> 00:23:04,966 Wow. And you just gave me the permission. 639 00:23:05,125 --> 00:23:07,505 Like, I've serious you see me beam. Like, 640 00:23:07,664 --> 00:23:09,489 I I'm like, oh, my, I so was 641 00:23:09,489 --> 00:23:11,013 meant to talk to you today. I mean, 642 00:23:12,443 --> 00:23:14,668 Oh, I love it. I love it because 643 00:23:14,827 --> 00:23:16,257 I'm not kidding. Like, last week, I was 644 00:23:16,257 --> 00:23:18,583 like, I don't all these obstacles keep coming 645 00:23:18,583 --> 00:23:20,341 up for, you know, might like, these goals 646 00:23:20,341 --> 00:23:22,339 that I have. And it's just keep getting 647 00:23:22,339 --> 00:23:23,618 tripped up and tripped up, and I was 648 00:23:23,618 --> 00:23:25,855 like, who is it work here? You've got 649 00:23:25,855 --> 00:23:28,210 need to step out the way. And so, 650 00:23:28,509 --> 00:23:30,430 yeah. I've I've just really started to take 651 00:23:30,430 --> 00:23:31,950 steps to be, like, I'm just gonna ignore 652 00:23:31,950 --> 00:23:33,789 all of this that's trying to block my 653 00:23:33,789 --> 00:23:36,587 path. And, step over it, work around it 654 00:23:36,587 --> 00:23:38,573 whatever and keep moving... That is... That is 655 00:23:38,573 --> 00:23:40,400 what it comes down to? And don't you 656 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,544 feel as you're writing your memoir that the 657 00:23:42,544 --> 00:23:43,679 writing itself 658 00:23:43,989 --> 00:23:45,497 is 1 of the greatest healing journeys you've 659 00:23:45,497 --> 00:23:47,879 ever been on. Oh, so cath. Yes. 660 00:23:48,673 --> 00:23:50,578 Yeah. For. That's why it's taken so long 661 00:23:50,578 --> 00:23:52,563 because you're not done healing. 662 00:23:53,292 --> 00:23:55,276 Yeah. Oh, I wanna give you a big 663 00:23:55,276 --> 00:23:56,942 hug for that because it's true. 664 00:23:57,576 --> 00:23:59,639 It's so true. I mean, I know when 665 00:23:59,639 --> 00:24:00,115 my mom, 666 00:24:01,639 --> 00:24:04,191 was was in hospice for those last few 667 00:24:04,191 --> 00:24:04,988 weeks months, 668 00:24:05,865 --> 00:24:07,779 and we were sitting with her. And and 669 00:24:07,779 --> 00:24:09,772 she... When she was still able to communicate, 670 00:24:09,932 --> 00:24:11,221 and she said, Terry, 671 00:24:12,334 --> 00:24:14,719 it's it's time. Like, I remember her saying 672 00:24:14,719 --> 00:24:17,024 it's time, and... It was her stamp finals 673 00:24:17,024 --> 00:24:19,107 day of approval. She'd given me her approval 674 00:24:19,107 --> 00:24:20,699 to put it our truths out there into 675 00:24:20,699 --> 00:24:21,915 the universe. But 676 00:24:23,484 --> 00:24:25,554 that was, like that final Aha moment. And 677 00:24:25,554 --> 00:24:27,782 so and and I've been tripping since March 678 00:24:27,782 --> 00:24:28,282 over 679 00:24:28,594 --> 00:24:30,752 you know, it's time and, like, trying to 680 00:24:30,752 --> 00:24:32,670 find reasons why it's not time. So... 681 00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:35,068 Because some of the final pages that you're 682 00:24:35,068 --> 00:24:36,527 gonna have to put it at that puzzle 683 00:24:36,906 --> 00:24:39,718 might be something that you're afraid to face. 684 00:24:40,198 --> 00:24:40,517 Yeah. 685 00:24:41,076 --> 00:24:44,353 Yeah. Oh, so powerful when you do face 686 00:24:44,353 --> 00:24:46,830 it, you're gonna move through it because there 687 00:24:46,830 --> 00:24:49,153 is no way that the only way is 688 00:24:49,153 --> 00:24:49,471 through it. 689 00:24:50,423 --> 00:24:52,328 Right. And so that's why we need we 690 00:24:52,328 --> 00:24:54,019 need to hold hands with our creative 691 00:24:54,471 --> 00:24:54,971 medium 692 00:24:55,439 --> 00:24:57,517 to get through these things. Like, for me 693 00:24:57,517 --> 00:24:59,035 he was writing. Was like, for so long 694 00:24:59,035 --> 00:25:00,474 as I was writing a music we make, 695 00:25:01,033 --> 00:25:03,830 I I would feel how cath art was, 696 00:25:03,910 --> 00:25:06,001 like, your talking about, and I would think 697 00:25:06,001 --> 00:25:08,156 is this a gift to the world or 698 00:25:08,156 --> 00:25:10,472 is it a gift to myself? And I 699 00:25:10,472 --> 00:25:13,106 almost felt like I had to choose, which 700 00:25:13,106 --> 00:25:14,798 was silly But for a while, 701 00:25:15,356 --> 00:25:17,112 I remember, like, battling with my ego like, 702 00:25:17,272 --> 00:25:18,470 which is a 4, which is a 4 703 00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:21,104 and and and I kinda came out that 704 00:25:21,104 --> 00:25:22,721 no my highest self 705 00:25:23,193 --> 00:25:24,542 knows that this is a gift to the 706 00:25:24,542 --> 00:25:24,780 world. 707 00:25:25,733 --> 00:25:28,114 Yeah. Wow. And, you know, I talk about 708 00:25:28,114 --> 00:25:29,702 it so often on the show, but to 709 00:25:29,702 --> 00:25:31,210 hear someone else say it back, 710 00:25:32,098 --> 00:25:34,504 it is 1 of those aha moments of 711 00:25:36,148 --> 00:25:37,499 yeah. Gosh. Thank you. 712 00:25:38,372 --> 00:25:39,961 But for everyone listening. I'm sure a lot 713 00:25:39,961 --> 00:25:41,723 of people are going, oh my gosh. I 714 00:25:41,723 --> 00:25:42,994 so needed to hear this today. 715 00:25:44,106 --> 00:25:46,490 Yeah. It's like, wow. Wow. How are we 716 00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:48,158 doing? Oh my gosh. We're already date at 717 00:25:48,158 --> 00:25:50,408 our time. So I I could certainly sit 718 00:25:50,408 --> 00:25:52,086 in here and talk to you for much 719 00:25:52,086 --> 00:25:54,244 longer, but I wanted to give you the 720 00:25:54,244 --> 00:25:55,383 opportunity to 721 00:25:55,762 --> 00:25:58,240 maybe touch upon or share anything any final 722 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,006 thoughts that you would like to share? 723 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,345 Well, I think that all of the final 724 00:26:03,345 --> 00:26:06,208 thoughts that I could share are expressed most 725 00:26:06,208 --> 00:26:08,139 beautifully in the music we make 726 00:26:08,449 --> 00:26:10,606 So I would say go to mr books 727 00:26:10,606 --> 00:26:11,506 dot com 728 00:26:11,965 --> 00:26:13,642 and get a copy of there. You can 729 00:26:13,642 --> 00:26:15,320 get a signed copy from me. 730 00:26:15,974 --> 00:26:16,773 Sealed with a kiss, 731 00:26:17,413 --> 00:26:19,411 or you can hold them down to the 732 00:26:19,411 --> 00:26:21,968 audible or the Kindle versions on Amazon right 733 00:26:21,968 --> 00:26:23,486 there that link you can also. Isn't it 734 00:26:23,486 --> 00:26:26,695 beautiful? You can also just view Amazon and, 735 00:26:26,775 --> 00:26:27,971 you know type in the music we make 736 00:26:27,971 --> 00:26:29,327 and find it there. But but, 737 00:26:30,125 --> 00:26:32,518 you know, read the reviews about. I'm so 738 00:26:32,518 --> 00:26:34,113 proud of them on, you know, on Amazon 739 00:26:34,113 --> 00:26:35,251 and Good rates and 740 00:26:35,563 --> 00:26:37,710 decide for yourself, but everything that I could 741 00:26:37,710 --> 00:26:38,982 tell you in addition to what I've said 742 00:26:38,982 --> 00:26:39,936 is in that book. 743 00:26:40,732 --> 00:26:43,197 Awesome. Well, it's just been such a joy 744 00:26:43,197 --> 00:26:44,628 to have you hear you. You know you've 745 00:26:44,628 --> 00:26:45,128 certainly 746 00:26:45,915 --> 00:26:49,039 impacted me with, so many beautiful insights. So 747 00:26:49,096 --> 00:26:51,958 thank you for sharing. Not just your words 748 00:26:51,958 --> 00:26:54,601 of wisdom today, but this beautiful gift to 749 00:26:54,601 --> 00:26:56,754 the world. So thank you. It is my 750 00:26:56,754 --> 00:26:57,711 pleasure, and I honored. 751 00:26:58,349 --> 00:27:00,502 Alright. Well, everyone, thank you for joining us 752 00:27:00,502 --> 00:27:02,736 today on the Healing place podcast to remember 753 00:27:02,736 --> 00:27:05,531 until nick time, be gentle with yourself. Thanks. 754 00:27:05,929 --> 00:27:08,549 Bye bye. Hey, everybody. Terry We bra here. 755 00:27:09,263 --> 00:27:11,090 Just wanted to thank you again for being 756 00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:12,225 a part of this 757 00:27:12,694 --> 00:27:13,752 healing space 758 00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:17,003 and my hashtag hope for healing journey. 759 00:27:17,881 --> 00:27:19,716 Thank you for sharing, liking, 760 00:27:20,527 --> 00:27:22,913 inviting others to join listening in, 761 00:27:24,106 --> 00:27:26,014 you've really helped the show blossom. 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