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Welcome to the Good life Podcast

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by Nebraska Es Coordinating council. On I'm your

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host Andrew Easton. And thanks for joining us

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as we discussed the latest in digital learning

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across Nebraska and around the country.

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Alright. Like to book my back for another

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episode of the good life, Edu podcast,

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And we're gonna have a conversation today about

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social studies here in our state, and also

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nationally, as we're grateful to welcome in John

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Lee, who is the founder, of C 3

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teachers. He's an associate Dean and professor at

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Nc state, and we're gonna give the opportunity

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to learn a little bit more about C

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3 teachers the C3 3 framework inquiry design

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model for social studies instruction and really where

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that's met some pretty,

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robust efforts in our state to develop units

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that are available. 4 grades 4 through 8,

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and I'm grateful to Mark Brady, who's a

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professional development coordinator at 7 for joining us

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for today's

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conversation as well, as he'll be able to

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kinda bring

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updates, and a little look ahead at where

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that particular project is at and and going

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Nebraska. And so,

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John, Mark

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Thanks for joining us for the podcast.

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Absolutely thanks.

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Yeah. And we'll start with John then. Thank

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you for taking a all time, to lead...

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As a part of this conversation, the backstory

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story behind the C3 3 teacher's framework and

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site. And so I'll just kinda turn things

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over to you for the backstory story a

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little bit, John on how

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this effort came about.

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Sure thing. Thank you. And and thank you

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as well for inviting me to be on

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the program with Mark.

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C 3 teachers is an effort that got

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underway in 2014

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to bring teachers who are interested in using

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inquiry in their classroom together

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in a network.

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A collaborative network to share Ideas to develop

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curriculum materials and learn from each other.

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C 3 teachers was explicitly an effort to

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provide a an

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articulation of the C3 3 framework,

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which is a standards

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guidance document that was published in 20 13,

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on 09/17/2013

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constitution day.

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A little bit of a backstory on the

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C3 3 framework. The c 3 framework was

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commissioned by a group of state social city

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specialists in late 20 10,

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among those specialists were folks in the state

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of Nebraska, specifically Harris Pain, who was the

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social studies lead in the nebraska and the

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time. There were 23 states that were participating

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in a national

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organization, called Ccs ssl, the Chief Council for

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school state officers.

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superintendent,

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Ccs sso had published

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in 20 10, a document that we're all

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familiar with, a common core.

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And, you know, the common core as folks

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in social studies may know and may recall

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if you can flash back to 20 10

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included within it some mention in reference to

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social studies.

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Pages. I think it was, like, 64 and

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65 in the document,

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mentioned social studies and put forward some standards

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for social studies literacy

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in the process of development the common core,

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the social community was not engaged. And so

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we were caught by

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surprised. I think that's an understatement to say

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we were surprised at the publication, the c

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3 framework everybody was.

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dish disheartening that

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professionals in the field hadn't been engaged.

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the common core was bad. You know, were

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problematic, but it just didn't work flight where

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we were and didn't bring us into the

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conversation, those of us in social studies. And

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we got together in our field and said,

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you know what? We need to put forward

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articulation and a representation of what we want

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in our field.

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called the C3 3 framework,

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at it at the beginning, it was commissioned

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again by folks that were a part of

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Ccs sso, and Nebraska was a... Was at

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standards project by the common core, but that

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is not what it ended up to be.

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because it's good social studies people, We were

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paying attention what was going on with the

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common core. We were the politics of the

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common core, the implementations of rollout of it

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as folks who were called there was a

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implementation effort and,

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rather watching considerable

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incentive to adopt the common core race to

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the top and hundreds of millions of dollars

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that were provided the states,

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we're an opportunity at least to compete for

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those funds.

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If they adopted the common core 40, I

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think 6 states did adopt the common core.

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state, Nebraska received hundreds of millions of dollars

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and funding from race to the top as

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a result. But then it all came apart,

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many people viewed it as an over reach

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on the part of the Federal government, the

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United States Department of Education, other organizations, and

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and state after state including my home state

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folks quit the common core. So we were

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watching all that play out and we're, like,

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why we're not gonna make that stake. We're

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not going gonna have a national standards project

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in social studies, but what we can do

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is provide guidance. And so what we ended

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up doing a publishing this document called the

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C 3 framework, which is a guidance document

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for states

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to develop or red develop or upgrade state

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standards,

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published it on 09/17/2013

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constitution date, so we wanted to put put

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it forward as kind of our constitution for

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social state Education.

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gonna be. It ended up where Ccs sso

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did not publish it. It got a little

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too hot. In the kitchen for Ccs sso

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and so they decided, they needed to really

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focus on some core things and couldn't really

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go into the social studies area. Our professional

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organization, the National Council for the social said

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picked up the work and publish the C3

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know, we put it out a great fans

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here, at our annual conference, in... I think

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but we didn't know what to expect. Now.

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years later in it's been remarkably successful. We

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have 38 states around the country that have

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picked up C3 and used it as an

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influence document. To redo their standards or upgrade

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that have done this work, but So we've

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been really pleased. Now,

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after the publication, you know, we were watching

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what was happening, we very quickly.

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publication of the C framework, but we very

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quickly came to believe that if we were

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ruben gonna need something in in addition to

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this guidance document. It was gonna be 1

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of what standards

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in social states might look like. But we

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needed to do more. We needed to have

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articulation

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what the c 3 framework, was calling for.

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frame, when we did that, and I'm using

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the plural we a lot because this is

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a highly collaborative effort. There were hundreds of

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it's to honor my professional wife to have

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been 1 of the folks that was able

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to work on that with my close friends

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and colleagues, Kathy Swan and S g Grant,

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lead riders for the C 3 framework and,

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network of teachers when we published the C3

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to bring together folks that were interested in

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the message the c3 3 framework was communicating,

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and we called that network c 3 teachers.

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that inquiry is the valuable, and we think

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called the Inquiry. The inquiry arc is a

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concept and it's an organizational structure for the

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it lays out 4 dimensions or 4 parts

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a western asking

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approach. It's an approach to living, honestly, to

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living in a democratic society. If you think

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about life life has an arc to it.

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through your life and all the complications and

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the beauty of life,

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and then it comes to a conclusion.

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that as a way of thinking about inquiry

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inquiry begins with a question. And then you

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the life of an inquiry and you come

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to some conclusions and communicate those and then

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Kathy Sd and I brought together an amazingly

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talented group of people and we built something

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as a vehicle to get the inquiry design

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model out teachers and to invite them to

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inquiry curriculum materials using this model.

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Id is a 10 step model for building

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materials, inquiry based curriculum materials.

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the state of New York in 20 14,

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New York to build a curriculum an inquiry

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based curriculum to support their new standards, which

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that encourage folks to adopt C3 3 framework.

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in that funding mechanism.

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Through that project,

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so 3 and a half million dollar project

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we built out the inquiry design model, we've

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built our first 84

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inquiries,

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implemented them in New York where they're still

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being used to this day, and

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as I guess we sometimes say in social

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states the rest is history. We've been going

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since then building inquiries, hundreds and hundreds of

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them including this,

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amazing collection of inquiries in in Nebraska,

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that teachers, badge educators in in the state

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of developed recently.

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Think that gives us a pretty natural pivot

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then to

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bring in mark, and it get a little

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better sense of that project, out, and some

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of those units and where that work has

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really influenced

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yeah. What we've done in the state in

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Nebraska. Yeah. It's been really exciting. In 20

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19, November of 20 19, our state board.

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Approved new study standards in Nebraska and a

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major feature of those standards. Was inquiry. It

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was a major shift within our standards, and

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it was really a a major shift from

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our previous version of the standards from 20

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12. And, even though we had a little

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bit of interesting role a lot of those

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standards with with Covid a few months later,

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we really were thinking about how can we

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support our teachers in engaging students in inquiry

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in the Sol classroom, especially when you know,

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in some cases, the materials that they had

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didn't lend...

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Themselves well to that. And so that really

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started the conversation and connected us with c

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21, there was a group of,

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Asu leaders who were trained by c3 3

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in the inquiry design model,

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and that really started a conversation around how

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can we use this model to

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really help teachers have access to,

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materials that would allow them to to do

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with their students. And so

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this... That let us do the first year

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of the project in the summer of 20

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22. We had 30 teachers from across the

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states sign up to create,

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inquiry units of study,

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using the inquiry design model. We asked them

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to create 1, 3 to 5 day inquiry

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unit of study that was connected to 1

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of the the Nebraska sol say standards. Again,

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the focus of that project was for grades

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4 through 8. And we... I mean, we

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were... This is brand new to us. We

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trained the teachers. It was brand new to

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them. And so John mentioned the inc inquiry

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arc. We train them in the inc inquiry

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arc. We train them in the Id. Was

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And then we supported them as they wrote

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curriculum. And as we know, that is a

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really hard thing to do. It's a lot

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of heavy brain work.

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And, you know, it took a good chunk

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of time that summer. But, ultimately, we walked

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away. We're really pleased with the results and

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we work. Super pleased that we had 30

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inquiry units of study then created by Nebraska

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educators that could be freely used

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by Nebraska educators across the state,

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that coming year. And so then we were

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thrilled when we were

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notified that our statewide wide Ds asu coordinating

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council

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was gonna support 2 more years of that

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project. And so we had cohort 2 last

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summer, 20 23,

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and, had great group of participants there And

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I feel like, once again, just produce great

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results, great units that were made available for

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teachers across the state. And now as we

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look at, our standards for fourth through eighth

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grade. We have pretty good coverage

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for units connected to those standards, and, we're

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entering the summer of 20 24. This is

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the final year of the project.

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And right now, we're just in the process

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of recruiting teachers to apply to be a

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part of this and,

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I think 1 of the most encouraging things

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to me is so far, you know, we've

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got a great group of applicants who are

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veterans from this project. So I think to

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me that is the biggest affirmation that this

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is helpful,

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for teachers not only to learn about the

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process of inquiry, but also

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to create resources that they can actually use

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what there's students. So that's been a a

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great affirmation. I'd love to see the teachers

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find as beneficial and,

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love to equip teachers with the tools they

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need to work with students.

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Well, and I'll expand up upon that a

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little bit and just to add that the

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grades 4 through 8 resources came as a

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result. Right, of the Nebraska,

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state department of Education,

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employing John Hopkins to do a survey that

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produced the identification of those grades as needing

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these materials. And maybe an overs overseas simplification

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of it would be to say in Nebraska

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in fourth grade, you learned about history of

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Nebraska. And they're not an overwhelming amount of

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materials nationally that's exclusive to Nebraska history

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in terms of textbooks and and programs. So

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I think that that sort of speaks a

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little bit to why, you know, was a

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high need area for us here in our

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state given what the emphasis is. So with

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that, I guess, I'd love to get under

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the hood and talk more about what... Like,

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what does this look like for? You mentioned

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there, Mark,

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the classroom teacher that it is a little

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bit of a... I think anytime you try

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something new. As a classroom teacher, there is

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an onboarding to that that needs support. That

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needs feedback.

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And so what what is typical, I guess?

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And John as well. I mean, your experience

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also for onboarding teachers

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speak to those differences.

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Yeah. I can share a bit about that.

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I think first of all, it's... You know,

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it's a shift. You know, it's thinking about

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the teacher's role differently when you're using the

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Id,

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I think we're design model.

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Obviously, students need to have some background knowledge.

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They need to have some sense of the

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characters and, The events of whatever

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topic they're studying. But the role of the

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teacher is different. They're not just the deliver

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and information, but they're really

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facilitating learning. They're facilitating the students wrestling with

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the questions that are in the inquiry unit.

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And so that really is a shift

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And I think that's kind of the first

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thing to think through as a classroom teacher

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Is, like, man, my my role really is

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different.

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And then we just spend a lot of

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time with you... Features helping to think through,

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you know, the compelling question of the ink

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inquiry design model

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in their unit. Right? We need to have

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a quality compelling question that's gonna drive

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the inquiry unit, and there's so many different

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characteristics of a compelling question that that makes

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it a good compelling question.

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And so, helping them craft that, was a

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process, and I think it's a fun process,

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but I don't know. You there's so many

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teachers that would say, I had a compelling

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question, and then I modified it. And then

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I modified it again, and it just like,

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there's so many iterations of that compelling question

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before they they're before they finally found their

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version they were gonna move with. And then

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finding good... Like quality sources for students to

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interact with and just, like, talking with teaches

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about what makes a quality source. And what

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are some sites that we can go to

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to find some of those sources,

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So that was something that we talked about

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with teachers a lot. And then how can

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we help all students access those sources. What

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might be some scaffold that we can build

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in Because... You know, and some of the

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sources that we're introducing with students? There's language

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in those sources that we don't use in

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in anymore. So how can we help students?

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Understand the content of the source, understand what's

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being set in the source, and then be

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able to

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use that in the unit and their understanding

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of the topic. So there's so many different

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pieces within the Id that is just a

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process as we learn, and we explore,

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there's time. There's training. There's... Again, there's heavy

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brain work on the teacher's part, and it's

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a process to learn for sure, but it's

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been a beneficial 1.

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Yeah. I would echo everything that you just

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said, Mark...

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When I think about the work of teachers

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on Corey, I think about 2 things. And

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you mentioned both 1 is the teacher as

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a designer. Mh. Which is empowering in many

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ways. You know, it wants to point of

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time, not too long ago.

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Oftentimes teachers were expected to implement what other

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people designed. And, you know, whether it was

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a textbook company or

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maybe a curriculum, you company or, you know,

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some group of people that's external to the

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context within which teachers are teach teaching, they're

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handing materials to the teacher and saying, okay.

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Now go teach this with Id and with

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the approach that we're using and teachers are

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empowered to be designers to build the... Curriculum

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materials that they're gonna implement their classroom. And

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and I think all of our experiences,

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we would agree that that is very important

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part of being an educator.

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Other part of it is what happens when

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you implement that inquiry. And there really is

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a chef. You know, the teacher moves from

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being the focus of the classroom, which is

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kind of a traditional approach to education.

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To the students being the focus, which is

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how it should be. I mean, that's why

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we're there where there for students who are

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there to build up their knowledge and practice

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and build up the skills.

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They need to be know, good citizens.

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And that's what social studies does. And so

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what we found is that teachers that are

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implementing inquiries are working harder, you than any

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old teacher you're gonna find in a classroom.

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You know, it's a lot more work in

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standing in the front of the class and

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delivering

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content to students.

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To be

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reposition move an rail in the class and

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facilitating students as they go through this process.

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And

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it infuse a lot of energy in the

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classroom.

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And in the empower students, and we've really

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seen

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the teachers in social studies g to this.

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So we think we'll do something.

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John, you remind me,

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when you're giving your example of the traditional

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approach there of the teacher at the front

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delivering to the class of my own... I

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think, well within this grade band. Seventh grade

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experiences.

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I had a workbook that I found recently

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where I'd, you know, put all these facts

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in, and I can still see my teacher

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standing on a desk throwing

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watts of paper to illustrate bunker hill. And

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then, like, being able to attack from above

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or something to that effect. And

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with that, I do see the benefit of

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inquiry or

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the opportunity to focus in on the

540
00:19:11,339 --> 00:19:13,814
skills that they will need to be members

541
00:19:13,814 --> 00:19:16,049
of society moving forward. And I'd love to

542
00:19:16,049 --> 00:19:17,247
press into that a little bit more. Right?

543
00:19:17,406 --> 00:19:18,843
The benefit. What's that, like, take for the

544
00:19:18,843 --> 00:19:20,654
learner. And as you mentioned to,

545
00:19:21,014 --> 00:19:21,653
as a teacher,

546
00:19:22,373 --> 00:19:24,610
you're busier, how could that be though? What

547
00:19:24,610 --> 00:19:25,829
does it mean to facilitate

548
00:19:26,448 --> 00:19:28,606
that? And and I think hopefully, I'm not

549
00:19:28,606 --> 00:19:29,405
asking 2 questions,

550
00:19:30,138 --> 00:19:31,574
that that are different. I I would imagine.

551
00:19:31,733 --> 00:19:34,126
There's almost kind of a venn diagram overlap

552
00:19:34,126 --> 00:19:35,800
between those 2. Right? Busy in the support

553
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,273
of what we're trying to foster in the

554
00:19:38,273 --> 00:19:38,991
students that we serve.

555
00:19:39,643 --> 00:19:41,396
Yeah. Maybe I'll take part of it Mark,

556
00:19:41,556 --> 00:19:43,627
you're probably closer to teachers in the classroom

557
00:19:43,627 --> 00:19:44,903
than I am at this point. And I

558
00:19:44,903 --> 00:19:46,416
get the privilege to being able to teach

559
00:19:46,416 --> 00:19:46,576
teachers.

560
00:19:47,548 --> 00:19:49,382
But, you know, the classrooms that I in

561
00:19:49,382 --> 00:19:52,174
are at the university level mostly. But with

562
00:19:52,174 --> 00:19:54,726
regard to the first part, your question, Andrew,

563
00:19:55,125 --> 00:19:56,934
you know, the why of social studies

564
00:19:57,611 --> 00:19:59,122
I think in in my view, and I...

565
00:19:59,281 --> 00:20:00,713
You know, this view, I think is shared

566
00:20:00,713 --> 00:20:03,338
very broadly in social sales, our field is

567
00:20:03,338 --> 00:20:05,248
about preparing young people.

568
00:20:05,899 --> 00:20:06,854
To be good people,

569
00:20:07,410 --> 00:20:09,422
to be citizens in this democracy,

570
00:20:09,797 --> 00:20:10,774
in this complicated

571
00:20:11,149 --> 00:20:11,649
beautiful

572
00:20:12,740 --> 00:20:13,854
society that we live in,

573
00:20:14,824 --> 00:20:18,007
it doesn't necessarily come natural or easy.

574
00:20:18,484 --> 00:20:20,575
And so it's important to

575
00:20:20,951 --> 00:20:23,358
have opportunities to practice with the skills that

576
00:20:23,358 --> 00:20:25,036
you need to be a good citizen to

577
00:20:25,036 --> 00:20:26,015
practice with

578
00:20:26,394 --> 00:20:28,013
the ways of thinking and acting

579
00:20:28,392 --> 00:20:29,910
that are needed to be a good person.

580
00:20:30,244 --> 00:20:31,441
To be a humane person.

581
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,516
And that's what we do in social studies.

582
00:20:33,755 --> 00:20:36,628
It's not about filling up yellow people's minds

583
00:20:36,628 --> 00:20:37,506
with information.

584
00:20:38,319 --> 00:20:41,131
It's about using the information and using knowledge

585
00:20:41,269 --> 00:20:43,582
strategically to accomplish the goals that we have

586
00:20:43,582 --> 00:20:45,256
the share goals that we have in our

587
00:20:45,256 --> 00:20:45,575
society.

588
00:20:46,213 --> 00:20:47,032
And so

589
00:20:47,504 --> 00:20:50,854
we view inquiry as the ideal vehicle by

590
00:20:50,854 --> 00:20:53,029
which to do that because it turns out

591
00:20:53,645 --> 00:20:56,995
that most of life is about addressing questions.

592
00:20:57,409 --> 00:20:58,924
Trying to figure out how to get stuff

593
00:20:58,924 --> 00:20:59,243
done.

594
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,832
And that's what inquiry is about about addressing

595
00:21:02,832 --> 00:21:05,224
a question and trying to figure out oftentimes

596
00:21:05,224 --> 00:21:07,633
in an intellectual context, trying to figure out

597
00:21:07,633 --> 00:21:10,347
how to get something done in responding the

598
00:21:10,347 --> 00:21:13,083
question that's in front of you. And so

599
00:21:14,099 --> 00:21:15,477
I think most social studies

600
00:21:15,856 --> 00:21:16,356
teachers

601
00:21:16,749 --> 00:21:19,083
view their work as being quite consequential

602
00:21:20,019 --> 00:21:22,014
in that we, I guess if you were

603
00:21:22,014 --> 00:21:23,312
to think about it as

604
00:21:23,704 --> 00:21:25,058
there's, I guess, a lot of medical which

605
00:21:25,058 --> 00:21:26,333
she could use. But if you were to

606
00:21:26,333 --> 00:21:27,868
think about it as something that's

607
00:21:28,324 --> 00:21:30,554
about trying to support our society. 1 on

608
00:21:30,554 --> 00:21:32,147
the front lines of...

609
00:21:33,117 --> 00:21:36,378
Supporting, you know, and building and strengthening our

610
00:21:36,378 --> 00:21:38,945
democracy as we're preparing young people

611
00:21:39,638 --> 00:21:41,785
to participate in our democracy. You know, we'll

612
00:21:41,785 --> 00:21:42,285
say

613
00:21:42,834 --> 00:21:46,357
that it's not just about preparation. It's about

614
00:21:46,971 --> 00:21:47,448
engaging.

615
00:21:48,164 --> 00:21:49,970
You know, It's not like you go to

616
00:21:50,089 --> 00:21:52,559
school in order to be prepared to do

617
00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:54,711
something else. You go to school because that

618
00:21:54,711 --> 00:21:55,349
is something.

619
00:21:56,146 --> 00:21:57,501
Going to school is life.

620
00:21:58,471 --> 00:22:00,620
And it's a slippery slope when we keep

621
00:22:00,620 --> 00:22:02,689
talking about preparation, you know, like,

622
00:22:03,565 --> 00:22:05,077
you you go to school to prepare.

623
00:22:05,649 --> 00:22:07,005
To go to work. And then you go

624
00:22:07,005 --> 00:22:09,318
to work to prepare to retire, and then

625
00:22:09,318 --> 00:22:11,073
you retire and you're like, oh, dang. What

626
00:22:11,073 --> 00:22:12,907
just happened to my life. I spent all

627
00:22:12,907 --> 00:22:14,502
this time getting ready for the next thing

628
00:22:14,742 --> 00:22:15,300
Forgot to lift.

629
00:22:16,275 --> 00:22:18,035
And so we really have to, you know,

630
00:22:18,275 --> 00:22:19,734
take care to

631
00:22:20,035 --> 00:22:22,355
provide the students in our classrooms an opportunity

632
00:22:22,355 --> 00:22:24,569
to live to see themselves as

633
00:22:25,408 --> 00:22:27,486
individuals who have an opportunity to contribute. But

634
00:22:27,486 --> 00:22:29,084
to recognize that they're novice.

635
00:22:29,723 --> 00:22:31,960
And so we build up all this support

636
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,164
around them. Is they practice with these skills

637
00:22:35,164 --> 00:22:36,620
of engaging with others

638
00:22:37,155 --> 00:22:39,806
in a humane way in a thoughtful way

639
00:22:40,262 --> 00:22:44,419
in dealing with the complexity of living in

640
00:22:44,419 --> 00:22:47,286
this democratic society we have in our country.

641
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,232
And is that aim that makes it to

642
00:22:50,232 --> 00:22:52,659
teacher part tough. Right? Because it's lot better

643
00:22:52,796 --> 00:22:54,070
to stay up the front and have you

644
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:54,548
listened to me,

645
00:22:55,981 --> 00:22:59,507
but to actually be actively invested in the

646
00:22:59,819 --> 00:23:02,299
myriad of conversations that are taken place as

647
00:23:02,299 --> 00:23:03,740
students go through right, Mark? I don't, you

648
00:23:03,740 --> 00:23:05,759
know better than I do, But I certainly

649
00:23:05,819 --> 00:23:06,380
can see that.

650
00:23:07,113 --> 00:23:08,707
Yeah. I think some of the benefits that

651
00:23:08,867 --> 00:23:10,779
I've seen and I've heard teachers talk about

652
00:23:10,779 --> 00:23:12,852
too is just, like, this process really helps

653
00:23:12,852 --> 00:23:15,578
students learn to be informed receivers information. Like,

654
00:23:15,658 --> 00:23:17,893
as they're looking through those sources? They're really

655
00:23:17,893 --> 00:23:20,368
thinking about, you know, who created it for

656
00:23:20,368 --> 00:23:22,364
what purpose? Like, what's it trying to communicate.

657
00:23:22,524 --> 00:23:24,541
And I think that's that's a really good

658
00:23:24,854 --> 00:23:26,607
skill for them to develop, and then John

659
00:23:26,607 --> 00:23:28,041
touched on this as well, but just to

660
00:23:28,041 --> 00:23:30,033
see students interact with each other in this

661
00:23:30,033 --> 00:23:33,060
process. This is not something that, students are

662
00:23:33,060 --> 00:23:34,096
gonna work through

663
00:23:34,669 --> 00:23:35,887
know, individually

664
00:23:36,344 --> 00:23:39,236
entirely in a classroom, like, they're working together

665
00:23:39,453 --> 00:23:42,164
with their classmates, wrestling through some of these

666
00:23:42,164 --> 00:23:44,812
questions, trying to, you to derive meaning from

667
00:23:44,812 --> 00:23:46,488
these things. And I just think there's great

668
00:23:46,488 --> 00:23:48,825
value in that. And then, ultimately, having to

669
00:23:48,883 --> 00:23:50,799
communicate what they're learning. Like, that's a great

670
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:53,170
skill for them to develop as well

671
00:23:53,526 --> 00:23:55,033
serves them well now serves them well in

672
00:23:55,033 --> 00:23:56,857
the future. And so I think those... In

673
00:23:56,857 --> 00:23:59,474
addition to things John mentioned, those are, great

674
00:23:59,474 --> 00:24:01,084
benefits of this and

675
00:24:01,394 --> 00:24:03,150
And I think too, you know, I I

676
00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:04,667
think of some some of the compelling questions

677
00:24:04,667 --> 00:24:07,382
that we've seen teachers develop are so excellent.

678
00:24:07,861 --> 00:24:09,458
You know, when you first read the compelling

679
00:24:09,458 --> 00:24:10,815
question, you might think, oh, it's a pretty

680
00:24:10,815 --> 00:24:13,369
like simple straightforward question. But then when you

681
00:24:13,369 --> 00:24:15,352
dive into the unit, you're like, no. It's

682
00:24:15,352 --> 00:24:17,256
not. Like, there's so many different facets of

683
00:24:17,256 --> 00:24:19,573
this, and there's so many different points of

684
00:24:19,573 --> 00:24:21,328
view. There's so many different sources that we're

685
00:24:21,328 --> 00:24:24,358
wrestling through. And so really to come back

686
00:24:24,358 --> 00:24:26,432
and answer that compelling question, which our students

687
00:24:26,432 --> 00:24:27,788
are asked to do in these units. Like,

688
00:24:27,947 --> 00:24:30,917
that is is a a challenging task. And

689
00:24:30,917 --> 00:24:32,995
so to your question, Andrew about, like, what

690
00:24:32,995 --> 00:24:35,472
makes this so challenging for teachers. It's because

691
00:24:35,472 --> 00:24:37,310
the things as students are doing in here

692
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:40,118
are really comp flex things. They're understanding cause

693
00:24:40,118 --> 00:24:41,953
and effect and how the... With the impact

694
00:24:41,953 --> 00:24:44,106
of these things, Like, it's not just remembering

695
00:24:44,106 --> 00:24:46,659
names and dates. It's actually applying what they're

696
00:24:46,659 --> 00:24:49,147
learning in a deep way and that's a

697
00:24:49,147 --> 00:24:51,622
challenging thing for teachers to help students do.

698
00:24:52,021 --> 00:24:54,177
And this is a framework that that we

699
00:24:54,177 --> 00:24:56,173
believe is is gonna be useful for teachers

700
00:24:56,173 --> 00:24:57,051
in accomplishing that.

701
00:24:57,864 --> 00:25:00,256
Wow, yeah. The depth to which students have

702
00:25:00,256 --> 00:25:00,756
to

703
00:25:01,293 --> 00:25:02,090
employ skills,

704
00:25:02,569 --> 00:25:03,446
or critical thinking.

705
00:25:04,004 --> 00:25:05,998
Yeah. Everything that you mentioned there with regards

706
00:25:05,998 --> 00:25:08,082
to their interaction with... Those primary sources.

707
00:25:08,639 --> 00:25:09,752
It's I really like what you said there

708
00:25:09,752 --> 00:25:12,296
too about then having to transfer that into

709
00:25:12,296 --> 00:25:14,761
place, Are you expected to articulate your disposition

710
00:25:14,761 --> 00:25:16,644
or learning as a result of those those

711
00:25:16,764 --> 00:25:18,522
but then to also be an active listener.

712
00:25:18,762 --> 00:25:20,200
I I really were just layering in so

713
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,757
many aspects of that that certainly puts the

714
00:25:22,757 --> 00:25:24,915
learner at the center of that experience.

715
00:25:25,487 --> 00:25:26,999
And it has to make for an engaging,

716
00:25:27,874 --> 00:25:29,147
opportunity in class, and...

717
00:25:29,942 --> 00:25:31,533
Okay. I was in English teacher. I was

718
00:25:31,533 --> 00:25:33,933
not a social studies teacher. But I would

719
00:25:33,933 --> 00:25:35,365
imagine that these are times,

720
00:25:36,478 --> 00:25:37,989
that would be a little... I would be

721
00:25:37,989 --> 00:25:39,817
very sensitive to what I would say in

722
00:25:39,817 --> 00:25:41,506
class studies if I were to lead a

723
00:25:41,506 --> 00:25:42,942
social studies course.

724
00:25:43,739 --> 00:25:46,052
And I I think our educators broadly do

725
00:25:46,052 --> 00:25:48,285
a very nice job of that. Right? But

726
00:25:48,525 --> 00:25:49,641
I understand too that

727
00:25:50,374 --> 00:25:52,679
all people, and there's an opportunity for maybe

728
00:25:52,679 --> 00:25:55,303
some, personal perspectives or biases to get in

729
00:25:55,303 --> 00:25:55,461
there.

730
00:25:56,257 --> 00:25:58,641
And I would think that, a model like

731
00:25:58,641 --> 00:26:02,097
this really for would alleviate that sort of

732
00:26:02,471 --> 00:26:04,061
concern from the teachers. And because you're really

733
00:26:04,061 --> 00:26:07,653
just presenting primary documents and the space for

734
00:26:07,653 --> 00:26:09,326
students engage in them. Right? I mean, is

735
00:26:09,326 --> 00:26:10,919
that like a benefit of this structure? Or...

736
00:26:11,955 --> 00:26:13,628
Well, yeah. I think so I'll take that

737
00:26:13,628 --> 00:26:15,221
1 on. And then Mark, maybe you can

738
00:26:15,221 --> 00:26:15,540
weigh in,

739
00:26:16,989 --> 00:26:19,161
So here's a there's a an irony

740
00:26:19,537 --> 00:26:20,333
in your question.

741
00:26:22,165 --> 00:26:24,235
It does seem like we're at a moment

742
00:26:24,235 --> 00:26:26,873
in time right now that's... Quite divisive or

743
00:26:26,873 --> 00:26:29,094
maybe put differently. It seems as if people

744
00:26:29,094 --> 00:26:30,228
have stark views

745
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,322
and those views are being amplified by

746
00:26:33,949 --> 00:26:36,420
you know, the media sort of landscape into

747
00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:38,015
the ways in which we communicate right, Now.

748
00:26:38,254 --> 00:26:38,754
So

749
00:26:39,131 --> 00:26:41,124
maybe it's not the case really that we're,

750
00:26:41,284 --> 00:26:42,454
you know, we have greater

751
00:26:42,894 --> 00:26:44,994
divisions or greater more stark

752
00:26:45,375 --> 00:26:48,974
differences of opinion or politics, but maybe we

753
00:26:48,974 --> 00:26:51,134
just know more about it right now. Regardless,

754
00:26:52,109 --> 00:26:55,069
Traditional approaches to teaching position a teacher where

755
00:26:55,069 --> 00:26:57,789
they are a convey of information. And it

756
00:26:57,789 --> 00:27:00,109
is quite easy in that context are not

757
00:27:00,109 --> 00:27:03,019
just convey information. And neutral, but the convey

758
00:27:03,157 --> 00:27:06,423
information with perspective. And with, you know, whatever

759
00:27:06,423 --> 00:27:08,335
you wanna refer to it as bias a

760
00:27:08,335 --> 00:27:11,696
political, agenda, whatever it is. Should And, you

761
00:27:11,696 --> 00:27:13,529
know, that's for a long time been an

762
00:27:13,529 --> 00:27:15,682
issue in social studies. You know, the teacher

763
00:27:15,682 --> 00:27:17,936
is standing in front of the classroom, and

764
00:27:18,233 --> 00:27:18,472
they're...

765
00:27:19,602 --> 00:27:22,546
Making decisions about what to communicate and how

766
00:27:22,546 --> 00:27:25,012
to communicate that, and it's got this perspective

767
00:27:25,012 --> 00:27:25,807
wrapped into it,

768
00:27:26,459 --> 00:27:28,687
Then students aren't really given an opportunity to

769
00:27:28,687 --> 00:27:30,757
see a broad view, you know, and To

770
00:27:30,757 --> 00:27:33,145
understand that there may be other ideas, they

771
00:27:33,145 --> 00:27:33,963
stand in

772
00:27:34,672 --> 00:27:36,504
contrast to what the teacher is telling them.

773
00:27:37,061 --> 00:27:39,450
In an inquiry classroom, what the student has

774
00:27:39,450 --> 00:27:40,428
asked to do

775
00:27:40,803 --> 00:27:42,077
is to think for themselves,

776
00:27:42,888 --> 00:27:43,205
first,

777
00:27:43,999 --> 00:27:45,427
understand their novice so they have to have

778
00:27:45,427 --> 00:27:46,776
a lot of support, but to think for

779
00:27:46,776 --> 00:27:47,990
themselves, and

780
00:27:48,363 --> 00:27:51,163
to engage in an environment they're thinking in

781
00:27:51,163 --> 00:27:53,581
such a way that a variety of prospect

782
00:27:53,641 --> 00:27:55,319
are represented and respect.

783
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:57,717
What other words reflective of what the teacher

784
00:27:57,717 --> 00:27:59,690
thinks about this particular thing or not? Or

785
00:28:00,206 --> 00:28:02,352
it may or may not be. But it

786
00:28:02,352 --> 00:28:05,395
opens to space up and provides more

787
00:28:06,167 --> 00:28:08,113
opportunity for discourse for dialogue

788
00:28:08,488 --> 00:28:10,340
and importantly for differences

789
00:28:11,113 --> 00:28:11,772
to be

790
00:28:12,704 --> 00:28:14,852
represented in the classroom and to be considered

791
00:28:14,852 --> 00:28:17,016
in the classroom. Now for For me, that's

792
00:28:17,016 --> 00:28:18,869
at the heart and soul of

793
00:28:19,643 --> 00:28:21,952
what our society is all about it. This

794
00:28:21,952 --> 00:28:24,022
society is all about. It's about having the

795
00:28:24,022 --> 00:28:24,421
freedom.

796
00:28:24,834 --> 00:28:26,587
To be able to think for oneself.

797
00:28:27,305 --> 00:28:28,920
And to find your way

798
00:28:29,457 --> 00:28:29,957
to

799
00:28:30,811 --> 00:28:32,666
the position that you're gonna take

800
00:28:32,979 --> 00:28:35,537
with evidence and support of what you're gonna

801
00:28:35,537 --> 00:28:37,694
say, which is what remodeled us.

802
00:28:38,813 --> 00:28:41,471
So I I guess then the irony is

803
00:28:42,819 --> 00:28:44,646
yes. Maybe we could say things are more

804
00:28:44,646 --> 00:28:46,313
divisive. Yes, we could probably say there is

805
00:28:46,313 --> 00:28:47,902
a little bit of pressure on social city

806
00:28:47,902 --> 00:28:49,807
teachers right now because people are paying attention

807
00:28:49,807 --> 00:28:51,340
and cameras are out and

808
00:28:51,729 --> 00:28:54,361
they're recording and saying what's happening, but at

809
00:28:54,361 --> 00:28:56,195
the same time, it seems as if if

810
00:28:56,195 --> 00:28:58,349
you use an inquiry, all views are on

811
00:28:58,349 --> 00:28:58,828
the table.

812
00:28:59,865 --> 00:29:01,242
But that seems to be

813
00:29:01,793 --> 00:29:03,170
potentially less objection

814
00:29:03,785 --> 00:29:05,458
the and just 1 you'd being on the

815
00:29:05,458 --> 00:29:05,697
table.

816
00:29:06,494 --> 00:29:07,928
Yeah. I think that's... I mean what you

817
00:29:07,928 --> 00:29:09,697
said is, I think... Is right on, And

818
00:29:09,777 --> 00:29:11,851
I I appreciate in this model that it's

819
00:29:11,851 --> 00:29:14,185
it's... By no means the case that one's

820
00:29:14,482 --> 00:29:16,317
viewpoint has to be everyone's viewpoint, you know,

821
00:29:16,477 --> 00:29:19,464
there's multiple perspectives presented in these units. And

822
00:29:19,523 --> 00:29:21,997
students get to to wrestle through all the

823
00:29:21,997 --> 00:29:24,072
evidence. And then, ultimately, they get to have

824
00:29:24,072 --> 00:29:24,572
dialogue

825
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:26,546
with their reasoning. They get an opportunity to

826
00:29:26,546 --> 00:29:29,666
voice that, And again, there's room to disagree.

827
00:29:29,825 --> 00:29:31,734
And I think, you know, that's a a

828
00:29:31,734 --> 00:29:34,041
great skill for for students to be able

829
00:29:34,041 --> 00:29:35,632
to take a stance.

830
00:29:36,442 --> 00:29:39,227
Support their stance with some reasoning, and it's

831
00:29:39,227 --> 00:29:41,215
okay if their stance is different than than

832
00:29:41,215 --> 00:29:43,099
the classmates or then the teachers, and that

833
00:29:43,378 --> 00:29:44,810
part of the benefit of this. Yeah.

834
00:29:45,605 --> 00:29:47,935
Makes see you think of a quote the

835
00:29:47,992 --> 00:29:49,742
mark of educated mind to be able to

836
00:29:49,742 --> 00:29:51,268
entertain and Deal that having to accept it

837
00:29:51,268 --> 00:29:52,939
kind of an approach to things, which I

838
00:29:52,939 --> 00:29:55,962
really appreciate and see across both of those

839
00:29:55,962 --> 00:29:57,727
responses. And, you know, I idea I say

840
00:29:57,727 --> 00:29:59,794
it every week as we're recording, 30 minutes

841
00:29:59,794 --> 00:30:00,351
goes really fast.

842
00:30:00,987 --> 00:30:04,087
Said, we... That said, to kind of bring

843
00:30:04,087 --> 00:30:05,438
us to a close here, I guess, we

844
00:30:05,438 --> 00:30:06,551
have a number of things you'd like to...

845
00:30:06,964 --> 00:30:08,019
Highlight. And

846
00:30:08,472 --> 00:30:09,902
some of that would really just start with

847
00:30:09,902 --> 00:30:12,125
resources. And so, John, do wanna speak maybe

848
00:30:12,125 --> 00:30:14,507
first to c 3 teachers, the web address

849
00:30:14,507 --> 00:30:17,468
and and what resources highlight Educators might find

850
00:30:17,468 --> 00:30:19,546
there that would be helpful towards onboarding to

851
00:30:19,546 --> 00:30:19,865
some of this.

852
00:30:20,824 --> 00:30:23,541
Sure thing. C 3 teachers is online at

853
00:30:23,541 --> 00:30:26,030
c3 3 teachers dot org. The website has

854
00:30:26,030 --> 00:30:27,463
been up and running for a number of

855
00:30:27,463 --> 00:30:30,112
years now. We have about 300 or so

856
00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:32,022
inquiries that are available for

857
00:30:32,636 --> 00:30:34,728
educators If you visit the site, They're organized.

858
00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:37,596
In 2 big groups. If you're on the

859
00:30:37,596 --> 00:30:39,674
website, you'll see across the top, then an

860
00:30:39,674 --> 00:30:41,352
navigational structure, there's a link to something that

861
00:30:41,352 --> 00:30:44,002
says inquiries. And if you click on the

862
00:30:44,002 --> 00:30:46,331
inquiry link you'll get access to about a

863
00:30:46,467 --> 00:30:48,638
couple of hundred inquiries that are

864
00:30:49,013 --> 00:30:51,253
available in a database to search reachable or

865
00:30:51,253 --> 00:30:51,729
browse,

866
00:30:52,284 --> 00:30:53,554
and we've organized these,

867
00:30:54,268 --> 00:30:56,251
using a couple of different approaches is we

868
00:30:56,251 --> 00:30:57,544
have something called hubs,

869
00:30:58,413 --> 00:31:00,011
Nebraska has a hub. And so we have

870
00:31:00,011 --> 00:31:01,870
an inquiry there. You can check out well

871
00:31:01,929 --> 00:31:03,607
several inquiries you can check out, and we've

872
00:31:03,607 --> 00:31:05,205
also organized those by topics.

873
00:31:06,097 --> 00:31:08,725
Additionally, you can... On C 3 teacher's access

874
00:31:08,725 --> 00:31:10,876
these things we call hubs, c 3 hubs,

875
00:31:11,035 --> 00:31:12,787
and you can hit the link at the

876
00:31:12,787 --> 00:31:14,061
top of the page to see those.

877
00:31:14,634 --> 00:31:16,312
There are 2 types of hubs. We have

878
00:31:16,312 --> 00:31:18,150
state hubs and organizational hubs,

879
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:21,905
about 13 or so state hubs, including Nebraska.

880
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,859
And if you go to the Nebraska

881
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,640
state hub, which you can either navigate to

882
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,720
or go directly to the Url, which is

883
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,480
c 3 teachers dot org slash,

884
00:31:31,213 --> 00:31:31,713
Nebraska

885
00:31:32,089 --> 00:31:35,117
dash, like a little hyphen dash, c 3

886
00:31:35,117 --> 00:31:35,834
dash hub,

887
00:31:36,631 --> 00:31:39,200
then you'll get a link, to what Mark's

888
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,139
gonna tell you about, which is this amazing

889
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:43,039
collection of inquiries that have been developed over

890
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:44,179
the last year. Or so

891
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,775
as well as some inquiries that were developed

892
00:31:46,894 --> 00:31:47,394
previously.

893
00:31:47,931 --> 00:31:48,910
1 of them is

894
00:31:49,367 --> 00:31:51,600
on a question that asked, what did freedom

895
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,557
mean for Anna?

896
00:31:53,195 --> 00:31:56,167
And Anna was a enslaved woman in

897
00:31:56,719 --> 00:31:58,955
Washington Dc Area and a project was done

898
00:31:58,955 --> 00:32:00,732
at University of Nebraska, Lincoln

899
00:32:01,110 --> 00:32:03,186
by professor through their name, Will Thomas He's

900
00:32:03,186 --> 00:32:04,144
a history professor,

901
00:32:04,703 --> 00:32:05,581
and he researched.

902
00:32:06,473 --> 00:32:10,384
Her life and produced this really beautiful documentary

903
00:32:10,757 --> 00:32:12,820
of first story that you can click on

904
00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:13,320
and

905
00:32:13,628 --> 00:32:15,878
take a look at. And then another professor

906
00:32:16,412 --> 00:32:18,877
that Lincoln did an inquiry with his students,

907
00:32:19,831 --> 00:32:21,739
his name is Aaron Johnson. And so you'll

908
00:32:21,739 --> 00:32:23,250
get access to that inquiry as well.

909
00:32:24,144 --> 00:32:26,144
And then a couple other inquiries that were

910
00:32:26,144 --> 00:32:26,384
developed,

911
00:32:27,184 --> 00:32:29,025
God, There's probably been about 6 or 7

912
00:32:29,025 --> 00:32:30,484
years ago. 1 of them on

913
00:32:30,945 --> 00:32:32,545
baseball in Nebraska.

914
00:32:32,878 --> 00:32:35,578
By a a former student it at University

915
00:32:35,737 --> 00:32:38,596
Nebraska named Jesse Rod, and another one's about

916
00:32:38,596 --> 00:32:40,344
the civil war in Native Americans.

917
00:32:41,234 --> 00:32:42,994
So those were all available and see 3

918
00:32:42,994 --> 00:32:43,154
teachers.

919
00:32:44,115 --> 00:32:45,794
And then Mark, I guess you can say

920
00:32:45,794 --> 00:32:47,554
something about that collection of dimensions.

921
00:32:48,369 --> 00:32:50,062
Yeah. I would just strongly encourage

922
00:32:50,436 --> 00:32:52,583
teachers to to check out the the inquiry

923
00:32:52,583 --> 00:32:54,173
units that are on the c3 3 site,

924
00:32:54,332 --> 00:32:56,241
you know, specifically, a take a look at...

925
00:32:56,574 --> 00:32:58,477
The the units that came from this project.

926
00:32:58,953 --> 00:33:01,095
I I think they're really well done. I

927
00:33:01,095 --> 00:33:03,474
feel like our our participating teachers did a

928
00:33:03,474 --> 00:33:05,398
fantastic job. The last the 2 summers, and

929
00:33:05,478 --> 00:33:07,793
I'm so excited for this final summer, but,

930
00:33:07,872 --> 00:33:09,549
you know, teachers can go there. And I

931
00:33:09,708 --> 00:33:11,784
I've I've even heard from some teachers maybe

932
00:33:11,784 --> 00:33:13,755
at the elementary level where maybe they're new

933
00:33:13,873 --> 00:33:16,171
social studies, and they wanna introduce inquiry in

934
00:33:16,171 --> 00:33:18,469
their classrooms. And I just feel like it's

935
00:33:18,469 --> 00:33:20,053
it's great for them because they can go

936
00:33:20,053 --> 00:33:22,539
there. It's social basically walks them through the

937
00:33:22,539 --> 00:33:25,500
process, all of the links, all the resources

938
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:27,099
they need are right there. And so I

939
00:33:27,099 --> 00:33:28,779
feel like it really is a great resource

940
00:33:28,779 --> 00:33:31,351
to help teachers. Especially if inquiry is new

941
00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:33,346
to them just to really make that shift

942
00:33:33,346 --> 00:33:35,203
in their classroom. So really encourage,

943
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:37,815
teachers to check that out again so grateful

944
00:33:37,815 --> 00:33:39,665
for the... The teachers who have participate participated

945
00:33:39,665 --> 00:33:42,137
in this project. And really for all the

946
00:33:42,216 --> 00:33:45,247
Es, we've had great Es support across the

947
00:33:45,247 --> 00:33:47,454
state. So so thankful for all those who

948
00:33:47,814 --> 00:33:49,410
are in kind of the social studies Realm

949
00:33:49,570 --> 00:33:52,044
Nebraska and it helped lead this work and

950
00:33:52,044 --> 00:33:54,678
grateful for our Es asu leadership, and their

951
00:33:54,678 --> 00:33:56,769
commitment to funding the project, grateful for you,

952
00:33:57,009 --> 00:33:58,450
Andrew, you've been such a great

953
00:33:59,009 --> 00:34:00,929
advocate for our project, and have helped so

954
00:34:00,929 --> 00:34:02,529
many people learn about it. I'm grateful for

955
00:34:02,529 --> 00:34:03,569
all of your efforts as well.

956
00:34:04,384 --> 00:34:06,382
Oh, I would echo that. Just tremendous effort

957
00:34:06,382 --> 00:34:09,579
in Nebraska with this. And, you know, as

958
00:34:09,579 --> 00:34:11,976
you're talking there sharing with teachers the reasons

959
00:34:11,976 --> 00:34:12,935
to access this. Yes.

960
00:34:13,588 --> 00:34:15,023
Each of them serves as an exe are.

961
00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:17,651
U. And if you would like to, like,

962
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:20,041
utilize that for the questions, like, and how

963
00:34:20,041 --> 00:34:21,714
to, you know, phrase the... Or the structure,

964
00:34:22,924 --> 00:34:25,155
That's available. Finding those primary sources,

965
00:34:25,872 --> 00:34:28,603
has been a challenge. And so maybe you're

966
00:34:28,820 --> 00:34:30,413
gonna go there just to be able to

967
00:34:30,413 --> 00:34:32,405
find some primary sources for your own purposes.

968
00:34:32,579 --> 00:34:34,247
Right? And then and then in the process

969
00:34:34,247 --> 00:34:35,438
of that, maybe learn a little bit more

970
00:34:35,438 --> 00:34:36,789
about inquiry. But whatever it drives you to

971
00:34:36,789 --> 00:34:39,172
go there first, just would definitely encourage folks

972
00:34:39,172 --> 00:34:41,158
to check it out, whether you could do

973
00:34:41,158 --> 00:34:43,963
that through some of the, local avenues for

974
00:34:43,963 --> 00:34:46,200
accessing those resources, but definitely through c 3

975
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,757
teachers dot org site. And if you'd like

976
00:34:48,757 --> 00:34:51,075
to be part of the upcoming effort, this

977
00:34:51,075 --> 00:34:53,168
next summer, we still have a space. We're

978
00:34:53,168 --> 00:34:56,843
actually just making that link for registration available

979
00:34:56,843 --> 00:34:58,601
to our Nebraska educators and so Mark where

980
00:34:58,601 --> 00:35:01,411
can people access that? Yeah. So there's been

981
00:35:01,411 --> 00:35:02,928
emails that have gone out. It will be

982
00:35:02,928 --> 00:35:04,306
going out from all the Es

983
00:35:04,764 --> 00:35:07,079
with the the link to sign up and

984
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:07,579
apply

985
00:35:08,038 --> 00:35:09,474
to be a part of this final cohort.

986
00:35:10,048 --> 00:35:12,302
We are are having a deadline for that

987
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,195
application on March 6, and then we'll make

988
00:35:14,195 --> 00:35:16,667
the decision for who's into the project shortly

989
00:35:16,667 --> 00:35:18,341
after that, mid March is when we hope

990
00:35:18,341 --> 00:35:20,434
to, to have that out to our participants.

991
00:35:20,914 --> 00:35:22,675
If you haven't seen that email come your

992
00:35:22,675 --> 00:35:24,114
way. I just encourage you to reach out

993
00:35:24,114 --> 00:35:25,255
to your Es asu

994
00:35:25,715 --> 00:35:27,715
and just ask for that information because they

995
00:35:27,715 --> 00:35:29,568
have it for you but it should be

996
00:35:29,568 --> 00:35:33,425
coming your way from your social studies content

997
00:35:33,564 --> 00:35:35,722
specialists at your local Es asu. And I

998
00:35:35,722 --> 00:35:37,400
also wanna say to the the project has

999
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,483
been focused done grades 4 through 8. But

1000
00:35:39,483 --> 00:35:41,390
if you're AK3 teacher or if you're a

1001
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:43,455
high school teacher, you're still welcome to apply

1002
00:35:43,455 --> 00:35:46,256
for the project. We've had done participants in

1003
00:35:46,256 --> 00:35:48,331
the past to teach outside that 4 through

1004
00:35:48,331 --> 00:35:50,805
8 grade band They participate. They ride a

1005
00:35:50,805 --> 00:35:52,561
unit for the 4 through 8 grade band,

1006
00:35:53,212 --> 00:35:54,560
even though they might not get to use

1007
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,542
their unit in their classroom. They still get

1008
00:35:56,542 --> 00:35:58,920
to learn about, c 3. They still get

1009
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,639
to learn about the in gray arc. So

1010
00:36:00,839 --> 00:36:02,597
in the Id, and then they can take

1011
00:36:02,597 --> 00:36:04,594
that back, and they can use that knowledge

1012
00:36:04,594 --> 00:36:06,751
to create resources for their own classroom as

1013
00:36:06,751 --> 00:36:08,843
well. And, you can make your way to

1014
00:36:08,843 --> 00:36:11,240
see 3 teachers because there's is inquiry units

1015
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,637
of study for k 12, and so that's

1016
00:36:13,637 --> 00:36:15,475
another great resource for you to access as

1017
00:36:15,475 --> 00:36:15,635
well.

1018
00:36:16,609 --> 00:36:18,049
Thanks for pointing that out, Mark too that

1019
00:36:18,369 --> 00:36:20,449
I know Deb Paul Issue champion this effort

1020
00:36:20,449 --> 00:36:23,089
before her retirement really stressed that this is

1021
00:36:23,089 --> 00:36:25,224
a professional learning opportunity for

1022
00:36:25,664 --> 00:36:27,659
educators out there and that that's, a big

1023
00:36:27,659 --> 00:36:29,574
piece of this this effort. So, John, do

1024
00:36:29,574 --> 00:36:30,931
you have a closing message for us not

1025
00:36:30,931 --> 00:36:32,208
to put you on the spot, but maybe

1026
00:36:32,208 --> 00:36:32,926
something to bring us home?

1027
00:36:33,579 --> 00:36:34,539
Yeah. Absolutely.

1028
00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:36,380
I... First of all, I wanna say thank

1029
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:38,799
you for having me on and

1030
00:36:39,099 --> 00:36:39,259
mark,

1031
00:36:40,059 --> 00:36:42,628
congratulations, and thanks for all the... Terrific work

1032
00:36:42,628 --> 00:36:44,319
that's being down in the state of Nebraska

1033
00:36:44,375 --> 00:36:45,090
around inquiry.

1034
00:36:45,725 --> 00:36:48,267
For me, inquiry is a vehicle by which

1035
00:36:48,267 --> 00:36:48,744
we can,

1036
00:36:49,538 --> 00:36:50,808
1 student at a time,

1037
00:36:51,699 --> 00:36:54,573
show the people that we are responsible to

1038
00:36:54,573 --> 00:36:56,728
that we care about our students.

1039
00:36:57,287 --> 00:36:59,203
We care about each other. We care about

1040
00:36:59,203 --> 00:37:01,775
this place that we live. This society this

1041
00:37:01,775 --> 00:37:03,375
country this democracy that we live in.

1042
00:37:04,574 --> 00:37:07,135
And we take serious to responsibility we have

1043
00:37:07,135 --> 00:37:08,994
to prepare young people to be

1044
00:37:09,454 --> 00:37:09,934
contributors,

1045
00:37:10,429 --> 00:37:10,667
to,

1046
00:37:11,384 --> 00:37:12,202
our democracy.

1047
00:37:12,577 --> 00:37:14,806
And we really do believe that inquiry is

1048
00:37:14,806 --> 00:37:16,557
the means by which we can accomplish that.

1049
00:37:17,432 --> 00:37:17,671
Well,

1050
00:37:18,324 --> 00:37:19,860
thank you both so much for your daily

1051
00:37:20,078 --> 00:37:22,151
advocacy for that. After for doing that over

1052
00:37:22,151 --> 00:37:23,905
the course of our time here together on

1053
00:37:23,905 --> 00:37:24,304
podcast.

1054
00:37:24,782 --> 00:37:25,818
Just really grateful.

1055
00:37:26,297 --> 00:37:26,695
For you,

1056
00:37:27,427 --> 00:37:28,858
choosing this avenue as a place to share,

1057
00:37:29,256 --> 00:37:30,926
and we will look forward to the 20

1058
00:37:30,926 --> 00:37:33,311
to 24 project and continue to grow these

1059
00:37:33,311 --> 00:37:36,197
resources in support of educators with their inquiry

1060
00:37:36,413 --> 00:37:39,305
instruction. So thanks. Thanks, Andrew. Thank you.