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Now, here are your hosts, Glen Cook, and
Pat Stewart. And I'm lofty Fulton. And I'm
out of here. Hey I need to tell
some. Oh, god. What is it? Some time
ago, we did and add... Episode where we
talked about how we were going to get
better with air ads.
So shit
said
gonna get better and we just
so full shit.
Alright. Well, here they are? We got 5
sponsors currently. Alright. Who are they? First is
the O? The winner. Oh, that knob the
buff. Yep. Now. He's the O Been with.
He's star he's good. He's gonna sell you
whatever you need. Yep. You'll get it. What
you should do is contact Jason from Minds
don't quit, mh with some peculiar product, tell
him you want it and make him get
it in and sell it to you. Even
if you could buy it somewhere else, just
make sure he gets it in for you,
just make that bastard work.
But in all Honesty, I'd say 90 percent
of my shit comes from him, and it's
all the best stuff. I did see some
feedback on our forum where somebody was really
intrigued about your handler package. So mother he
got from Jason. Obviously, it worked. Yeah people
are paying attention to the daily great. Even
though we're shoot at this, we do a
terrible job of actually trying to keep things
updated. It's it's great to see that the
people who are investing in our show are
actually getting some Leeway. Yep. Might I've heard
that your wife sell some can products. It's
My wife is doing great guns at the
moment. I said before that she's being supported
terrific in the United States which has been
good, but I will... Swing that back home
and say that so many more people in
Australia are doing it, and it's great to
see, like, there are people
finally in the sporting dog world who are
starting to prioritize newt nutrition for the dogs.
And I know, I can see them when
Na comes and says, oh, I guess who
bought some product off me for the first
time. So are you're saying there's no patient
confidentiality? No. You're a confidentiality. Oh, sorry. It's
list confidentiality. What's a automating list. You... Are
you aware my dog is taking p
collagen and... What is everything takes? Anton. Anton.
Yeah. Yeah It's been on that.
Is not Nor ale business, but I've gotta
do a shout out for.
Absolutely fantastic the very supportive of our show.
Mh. Whenever we've done seminars hours and so
forth, they have been first to dip their
hand in their pocket. They are very generous
with their product.
But let me just say all that aside,
their generosity and their advertising and marketing. Let
me just say on the other side of
that their product is amazing. Yeah. Like it
does work. It's very official. For sure. It's
1 of those things where they say Anton
for every dog every day. I totally agree
with that. Nor has even supported that when
people have asked them about her product, she
says, the 2 things that I would absolutely
give to you is Anton and her gut
protect formula. Yeah. Gut protect is like her
holy grail. Of of a whole of the
range. This is not me market talking. Okay?
Because we are an mad. This is this
is an ad, but this is not made
to a market. But we've already pointed out
we're she at. I know. Of all the
things that she sells and she sells some
killer product. But the 1 thing that she
does sell, which I absolutely agree with her
every dog should have this product is the
gut protect. Really? A hundred percent. It's nothing
that they need for being sick. It's something
that they need to do just to maintain
great gut balance. Okay. And gut balances like
mental health That's 1 of those things that
you absolutely wanna get control around. So products
like anton, Great every day. Gut protect, great
for every day. There's other products that aren't
even related to hers called things like call
rose vital and stuff like that. Absolutely fantastic
for dogs to be on every. Sort day.
Mh. But I know there's other people we
need to talk about. If you wanna learn
more about Nor products, go to a website,
canine
dot com I think it's busy.
I think it's till you'll figure it out.
It's dot dot au. It's 1 of the.
No touch anyway. Everyone just google's it and
just Google it. You'll find it. Hey. Yeah.
George. Alright, I wish she get him on
the show. We should have George On the
show. Not only is he devilish handsome. Yep.
But he's got a fantastic
1 of a kind product that I've never
seen replicated anywhere in the world. You or
me, we're getting a car ride by him.
We got to see the prototype firsthand. And
then he's bike got Stolen with the prototype.
That? Yes. Yeah. But anyway, George has Rowdy
had dog box. So it's a crate that
goes on the back
that you don't can go over with you.
Yeah. It's cool shit. It's a great idea.
You should totally get 1. Taylor canine in
Canada. Yeah. Do you know that Taylor? From
Tele is hosting Jazz W later in the
year? I do know that. Yes. So I
saw the ad. Very good. Yep. So only
she doing great stuff with her
Tailored canine. Her training business, training business, but
she's also getting a fantastic trainer over there
to help with her tailored training. Cheers. And
finally, Mh. Barber Groot. The sugar mama from
the heart dog trainer heart dog trainer. Just
fucking throws cash just supports the show God
bless. Yeah. I think later on the year
when And I are over doing a seminar
with Melanie Ben. Barbara D group is coming
over.
I think she has put down a a
like, and I said you better come sugar
mama and she gave me a thumbs up.
So hopefully, she's gonna be there, and I
can give her some love to repay us
for all the kindness and support that she's
thrown At asked nothing in return. Alright. That's
our ad. Yeah. That one's good to go
for at least another 4 years. We'll hear
from us then.
Welcome back to the can Paradigm. I'm your
host, Pat Stewart. I'm joined studio today by
my c host, Glen. Here we go. Ready
for another 1. She we just talk straight
in. Let's get straight into it. We don't
need to talk about Trump being assassinated anything
on. This we? No. No. We definitely don't.
I think enough people are talking about that.
Yep. It's everywhere. Yep. Okay. Hey.
Oh, that's set it a couple of times
on the show, and I've set it to
plenty of people in
Ir in real life. Ir. I love that.
Yeah. I love that. That I have this
plan. Yep. And it's a pretty loose plan,
Like, I haven't sort of gone too deep
into the details of it, but I have
this sort of
vision. Mh. Of how I would like to
shape and manipulate the dog world in Australia.
The working dog world Alright? So we're taught...
When I say working dogs, I mean, dogs
with jobs, and especially jobs within the government.
Alright? So detection dogs, police, patrol dogs,
special forces, dogs, swat team dogs, the whole
range
of working dogs. Right? Can I derail this
just slightly for a minute? We only just
begun? I know. Now that you're mentioning this,
I did bring this up when Sean was
here and we had a brief
conversation around this, and it bolts onto your
conversation in a way.
Because I really feel that what we need
in this country, not just in this country,
but all over the world, as you listen
to conversations and you watch what people are
talking about social media, and that is d
development. Mh. Because it goes in line with
developing this holistic program where you're talking about
a resolution with
producing the right type of dogs, importing the
right amount of blood lines, providing better breeding
practices for working style dogs, etcetera, etcetera,
That's all great. But if we still have
issues with D decor not being developed properly,
which was great that we had that d
c development camp, and you've been highlighting this
over a period of time
because there's still a problem with d c,
jamming dogs up, being too focused on their
social media activity. That I do see that
as a massive issue. Well, it's funny to
say that because that's part of my thing.
Let's go through your step by step program.
Yeah. So what I've talked about is that
I have this loose plan and
the only thing holding me back from achieving
it is money. Yep. I haven't costed it
fully because I can't really do that. But
as a sort of broad
strokes,
I think I could achieve what I wanna
to achieve with about 30000000 dollars. Yep. Now,
I know that there's people in their cars
like, oh, only 30000000 dollars pat, but here's
the thing.
Money's not real. Right? So for the government
to spend money on infrastructure projects,
that's where money comes from. Right? So when
we talk about how they've printed money or
that there's new money come into the economy
or whatever. It's not that they literally print
more money and that money comes into it.
It's that they spend money into existence. Mh.
And so
government spend money into existence via infrastructure projects.
That's really how you get money into the
the economy. That's why they say you gotta
spend money to make money. Yeah. That's how
it goes within all the countries, especially now
we're not back by any gold standard. Like
money's is not real. It's fucking... It's completely
fake. It's just ones and zeros. We've agreed
to use this idea that this is our
currency.
So I learned this when I was working
in the government is that the costing of
things is so strange. The army has this
thing called the
Army capability management systems where you get into,
like, the back end of the budget, basically,
And money is allocated around. And there's all
kinds of silly things that exist within government
in that money is put into different buckets,
and you can only draw from certain buckets
in order to achieve certain things. For example,
back at my old unit,
capability
is put into 1 bucket, and then that's
broken into multiple buckets as well, but travel
is another. So for example, if I wanted
to do a course. Right? If there was
an instructor somewhere in the world, we used
to get in a a sniper instructor guy.
Right? Who's used to do supplemental
training to the snipers within the unit. And
so to bring him to Australia,
to run a course, the course then has
a certain cost per student. Right? Like, that's
what he's gonna charge. But it's cheaper for
him to do that at his own facility
in the Us. The cost per student is
lower. So it actually made more sense for
us to send people to the Us to
do his course where we were paying less
per student, but their travel and their hotel
accommodation, all of that kind of stuff the
incidental because they get paid differently while they're
there, that's from a different budget. Mh And
so for the person running the sniper sell,
whose job it is to up upscale snipers,
his training budget is completely separate from his
travel and whatever budget. That comes from a
different pool of money. So you get kind
of dumb things like that in the mill
in... Not just in the military, but in
government all the time. Right? And so when
I say it's 30000000 dollars at a minimum
probably. Right?
I know that there's lots of people just
going, like, oh, that's ridiculous, but it's not
it's not even in the slightest. And 30000000
dollars to long term
solve what is actually a quite a significant
and looming problem that government is gonna face
in Australia that not too many people are
really very aware of. You know, like, I
think that there isn't to my knowledge within
the working groups.
There isn't anybody highlighting to anybody who cares
or fully understands the difficulty in getting dogs.
Even on last week's topic that we brought
up. The fact that people aren't aware that
the floor is not going to drop out
of it. It's already starting to drop out
of it now. That scarcity is already upon
us. Yeah. So we see this say in
Victoria here in Australia where bite sports are
banned and we've talked about that. Mh. Is
that that has significant effects
because a lot of the breeding
of dogs that are capable of police type
work.
That's now limited to very few people because
they don't have many customers now. Right? So,
like, if you're if you as a breeder,
are breeding dogs suitable for that kind of
thing.
Well, now you've only got security guys and
the police who are interested in buying dogs.
Now you can never counter the police to
buy anything from because they have all these
budgeting concerns and there's bureaucracy and all these
kind of things. So if you're relying on
them to buy to pay your bills, you're
fucked because they're gonna leave you high dry.
Not because there's any mouse temper, that's just
the way that bureaucracy works. Right? So there
isn't a pet of dog work
within the Australian government that I'm aware of
anyway. Yes. We have these conferences and there
are times where You're, like, they have these
working dog groups that different government agencies will
attend, and there was a time when I
was at least even aware if not peripheral
involved in those things, but I'm not anymore.
I'm a full blown civilian now. Like aside
from having been in the army 9 years
ago, I'm not involved in any of that
shit anymore. Right? I'm sure that those kind
of groups go ahead, and I know that
Army has a capability manager for dogs. But
to my knowledge, there's nobody within the federal
government
who has, like, reached down or
observation of the state of play of working
dogs within the country. The other limiting factor
on that too is the incredible amount of
wash out of talent.
And all of the training, all of the
history
all of the resources that they have gathered.
As an outsider, it seems that very minimal
goes into the next bunch of recruits that
are coming through. And it seems to me
that when you watch that, the loss of
all that experience that you're losing it within
that new recruiting basis as well. Yeah. Now
that may be unfair. I might be saying,
you know, you and I were just having
a conversation with
Michelle's mom and dad before, although we're here
about how people have an expert viewpoint on
things that they're not directly plugged into. And
that might be a case here because I'm
not directly plugged into Army logistics.
Or police force logistics. I've friends and colleagues
in there that talk to me about their
budgetary
frustrations. And the fact that, you know, like,
if they're given a pool of money to
spend, and the minister comes along and says,
oh, you didn't spend all that. Well, that's
what you're gonna be short next year and
next year's budget. Yeah. I mean, that's always
the case with most government departments. Right? You
don't spend your yearly allocation. It gets taken
from you the next year. That's broadly speaking
true. That's not like strictly linear. That's why
I'm saying, yeah. I'm not really in the
office there. So I can't say that I
have fact on that. Yeah. It's just conversations
I've had with frustrated people who say, we're
short on the tools this year or we're
short on the capability to buy these extra
3 dogs.
Because last year, we didn't meet the budget
requirements because of x y and z. Yeah.
And there is some truth to that because
that's coming directly from the horse's mouth. Yeah.
This is part of the issue of
larger government departments. There's a there's a huge
disconnect between end users, the people who we
will actually interact with. Mh. And the people
who sit behind computers and count the beans.
That's There's a huge disconnect there. I was
really lucky when I was hour had it
really incredible mentor for a period of time
miss Guy, wednesday's day's navy is doing, But
he was my sergeant major. Yep. In various
roles across 2 different units. We moved together.
I worked under him for roughly 4 years.
Right? He was sort of within my very
direct chain of command. And
he was an incredible mentor actually,
and taught me a lot of the behind
the scenes stuff. But someone's gonna join the
army to be a clerk and be the,
like company clark that does all the paperwork
and stuff He made me do their full
training suite as though I was the new
person who had just joined the army and
he made me go through, could you can
do it online. Wow He made me do
their entire thing. And I was like, mate,
I'm a god
fucking clock. I I don't give a fuck
about how to manually
input somebody's
qualifications into the system. Yep. But
couple of years later when I don't have
to rely on close to do anything for
me. Because there's not enough of them. They're
overworked to under pay all the same things.
Now I can do that shit myself. Right?
And same as budgeting, like, I don't have
to go to the meetings to try and
fight for the budgeting. I can get into
the system and do it myself. Right? So
it was the incredible
skill set that he forced me to acquire
that I did not appreciate at the time.
But then when I had it I was
like, oh, holy shit. This is incredible. Right?
But it offers you inside as well. That's
times and perspective is everything
as I alluded to before, There's often times
where I've commented on things and I've had
rage or I've had big feels about it.
But I've had no real perspective on it.
It's just a feeling or you know, like,
I'm siding with an Ally when they have
frustrations about it. But when you do have
perspective on these things, when you are included
in the actual conversation, and you can see
how,
like, the example I said before when the
floor is falling out of things because you
don't have an allied group in those people
who are doing the accounting, and then also
allocate funds to you to be out to
have that preparedness to do your job adequately.
That's grossly unfair. Yeah. Grossly unfair. Yeah. And
that's happening to a lot of our service
men and women, in dog units all over
this country. Mh where they're incredibly
underfunded. For sure. Yeah the without doubt. Yep.
So all of that is to help people
understand that money's is not real and government
money spending. 30000000 dollars is fucking nothing. Right?
I agree with that because there's plenty of
times where guy way more. Absolutely. Friendly Jo
highlights at all the time. All the skeletons
in their closets where they're trying to hide
it where they've funded money to their mates
and funneled money here there and everywhere. He
pulls it out and says, there's hundreds of
millions of dollars that are just being lost.
Exactly. What I wanna do
fits perfectly
into the correct way that government spends money
into existence. I wanna spend a bunch of
money. I wanna do that mostly within Australia.
So the money would stay here and just
go into the economy. I wanna employ a
bunch of people and I wanna create a
massive change. So I'm gonna talk about how
I wanna do that. Alright? Cool so the
first thing is that I wanna point out
is that I'm not sure that I wanna
do this. There's no ego involved in this.
From here on out whenever I say I,
I'll be referring to myself as the purse
because this is my vision. I'm happy to
hand this vision over. Right? But what's super,
super, super important
is that there is an enduring project manager
throughout this. Yep. Right? Now that's 1 of
the things that I cannot stress enough. And
what we see in government roles is that
everything is like stepping stone type jobs. Right?
It's rare that people are in a job
for 10 years or more. Right? Because they
have ranks. There's careers that have to be
highlighted.
This is 1 of the things that people
don't understand about, say, like, special forces dog
handlers. Right? Nobody really wants to become a
dog handler because it's a career killer. In
that you get... If you get too specialized
at anything, it's very difficult to go back
into the assault teams. Mh. And so nobody
really wants to that. So like Snipers is
the worst. Because if you as a a
digger, get qualified, it like likes a dig
I mean, like private, lowest rank.
If you get qualified as a sniper,
and you're good at it and you go
into a sniper team and you spend the
next 5, 6 years in the sniper teams,
and then you come back as a Lance
corporal junior leader to the assault teams. Those
assault teams don't wanna fucking know you. Because
they're like, nah, you've been sitting on rooftops.
You're not an assault anymore. You've become that
specialist thing, and the sniper platoon is like
30 guys where the assault teams, there's hundreds
of them. Yeah. And so there's no career
progression in snipers. Like the highest rank you
can get to within snipers is the sniper
platoon sergeant. That's it. You're done. Right? So
nobody wants to go into specialist roles because
it destroys your career. Right. And so what's
important to know about this is that this
project must have
a
enduring project manager
that sees it through. Hundred percent. So I'm
happy to with Fx as well.
Otherwise, then you get pulled into the same
pool that allegedly Greyhound new South Wales is
because they're under the microscope at the moment
because
allegedly,
their project manager has been favoring friends
according to Ray Hadley where they've been mis
funds to train our buddies and all sorts
of people in the industry. Really? Yes. I'm
not aware of all this.
That's why the role that you're talking about
is pivotal in making something happen like this
because if you have somebody who allegedly
mis appropriate funds to their friends and colleagues
in the industry, then it all falls apart
it comes under scrutiny, and then you get
held with the blame. Yeah. To that end,
what I will say is though, this project
manager,
me. Yep. Needs
discretion to spend the money appropriately. And that's
1 of the issues. That's why these long
transparency. Yeah. Total yeah Total transparency. Right? Mh
But there needs to be that level of
control over this, which is why it would
be best done as private industry. Yep. And
again, 1 of the reasons why bothering to
explain all of this and laid it all
out. Is just in case. Somebody's like, hey,
Pat, turns out I'm the secret billionaire,
and I like doing the right thing. And
I see your vision and I wanna make
it happen. This is how I would make
it happen. Okay? So it definitely needs
a visionary,
the person who will oversee the whole thing
and want to see it through to completion,
they need to be there throughout. Right? Yep.
As well as have the help that needed
along the way. Okay. So that's established.
Here's the first thing that needs to happen.
I would, first of all, establish a bunch
of committees of people. Now those committees of
people, again, let me take another minor step
back. We're a little bit all over place
but that is our style. Yeah. The reason
our club is called Ion fist Psa. The
reason we named it that is because I
feel like a lot of the time committees
and working groups and too much of a
a linear hierarchy
creates problems because it's a choke point. Right?
Imagine a narrow
pathway
that is your success. You need to go
through that narrow pathway of success.
That is why
very pointy hierarchy systems work.
Because you have a person at the front
who says this is what we're fucking doing.
I'll take all of your
information in. I'll bounce it all. I'll weigh
it all against what I know. And the
thing of hi
is that information trickle down that hierarchy, but
not all of that goes down. So what
you always have to remember when you're involved
in any form of command and control hierarchy
is that the people above you probably no
more than you. Right? And they're giving you
the amount of information that you need to
do your job. So as not to burden
you with more information than you need. Yep.
And so there needs to be a very
clear command and control at a central point
above, but the next thing that needs to
be done, and this is the first weakness
that we'll encounter is establishing committees of people
to give their input. If you heard Steve
jobs talking about the progression of Apple
Corporation, how he didn't actually wanna develop it
as a group of committees, but more so
that it was constantly viewed as a startup
up company
ongoing. So we could have somebody responsible in
each department. Yeah. Then they come together, they
spend
4 to 5 hours once a week going
through all the projects where they are, where
they're heading where the funds have been allocated.
And that way, everybody in that department has
got their neck on the block to make
sure that their department is running as it
should be. Yep. But he said in the
funding and the managing and in speaking to
colleagues in the industry. He said, I cannot
stress a better way to do it than
treated it as. It's always a startup company.
It's important to know that while we're are
interested in the input of many people,
we're gonna weigh and balance that against the
bigger picture, there will be a decision maker.
Mh. The first sort of committee that I
wanna set up is people to talk about
blood lines. And what blood lines are, you
know, speak objectively,
and decide on what blood lines from around
the world we want to start to harness
and how we're going to develop those. What
ones we have here, what's available to us
and how we can get started. That's important
to start figuring out. I think that 1
of the issues that we often face is
that it's tricky because
Sometimes I think people lead each other Astra
because there can be differences of opinion on
what is good and what is bad. That's
a very objective thing.
What kind of dog you like, what kind
of dog you don't like? That's their objective
thing. But also, people are financially incentivized because
they're breeding particular things. They're interested in particular
other things. They have particular outcomes with these
dogs. And they're emotional. Yeah. Of course. So
step 1 is that we're paying all these
people for their information. Right? You are financially
incentivized to be successful in this... You're contributing
to this. You're not financially incentivized to, like,
get your particular blood line going. Right? You
are incentivized about because we're gonna buy this
knowledge from you. We're not expecting to get
this from you for free. How do you
think people are gonna feel about that knowing
that as a proposal of this, primarily what
you're saying is I'm removing you from the
capability. In what way am I removing it
from capability? If you're saying I wanna import
another blood line into the country or I
wanna import a superior blood line, which isn't
your blood line. Mh. How do you think
they're going to feel about all I'm playing
is the devil's advocate in this because I've
spent plenty of time having late into the
night conversations with people about blood lines and
genetics and
understanding their pride ego and emotions that are
involved in their own kennel. Mh. Where some
people are dead on. They know exactly what
they're producing, and they do. Proof is in
the pudding, and some people are dead wrong,
where their dogs couldn't pull the skin off
a custard. Yeah. That's why we'll have a
committee of people that then, like, the people
who
in any way obstruction is. Yeah. And of
not, of course, like, there should be heated
debates. There should be differences of opinion. Yep.
But if anybody seem to be obstruction, then
we remove them, and they fall by the
wayside. Right? Right? Like they continue doing what
they're doing, but they're not a part of
this project.
Why they should wanna be a part of
the project despite potentially already being a dog
breeder in Australia or whatever is because first
of all, they have opportunities to be involved
to the ground level of this as it
grows. But second
is that this running and
being a thing that could potentially
take away from their ability to sell dogs
in a short to medium term doesn't exist,
then that will become apparent soon. Right? So
we're not selling any of these dogs for
a long time. I kind of establish this
idea, it seemed like I had a financial
background. Now Won't go into the details of
all that. But it turned out not to
be the case. But I'd said to the
person at the time, like, this is not
a profitable business. You have to know that
and I was given the, like, well, I'm
not interested I wanna do it. I have
plenty of money. Money is not an issue
for me. It's that I wanna be involved
in it. And so I was like, okay.
Cool. As long as you're aware that we
ain't making any money. And that's why I
think that this is not viable in Australia
to do as private industry. If there's
some level of intention of seeing a return
on your money,
from an investor that said they were, like,
if someone called me and said, pat I'm
in, Give you the money, but this is
how I wanna see a return. I'm like,
no. There will be no return. We are
losing money on this. So primarily what you're
suggesting if I'm correct, thinking along the bouncing
ball is that you
feel that there should be government funded and
in wages paid by the government. Yeah Yeah.
I can or... If it's not government funded,
then it's a private back. Yep. It doesn't
want the return. Right? I know that that
seems like a weird thing to say, but
that shit happens, man. That that's for real.
Look, I I understand there's consultants and there's
shakes out there who do fun things like
this. And not just that here's an example,
when I was at the college that I
attended first semester in the Us.
1 of the astrophysicist was talking about a
thing that she was on the verge of,
you know, discovering I suppose, but was gonna
take a huge amount of money, and mostly
that money was in telescope time because there
was only a couple of different telescopes. I
think there's 2 on the planet that could
do what you want to do. And you
have to bid for the time of users
because everybody wants to use them at the
times when they'll see the the capable saying
the things. And said that, you know, like,
it cost a hundred and 50000000 dollars to
do what I want, and they guy I
wrote to a check on the spot.
And so these things happen.
With no hawk. Nah. You achieve that goal.
Because when she achieves what she's trying to
achieve,
I remember her name, And I think that
she's actually done it, but no 1 else
will because it was done by the yale
astro department. But I'm a suspicious motherfucker of
people because I just know that
most people follow the narrative of with him.
What's in it for me? Yeah. And for
sure. But there is a return for them,
but the return to that guy and that
instance was that Yale
will make the discovery. Was his money or
Yale money? It's his money that he donated
to yale in order to have the discovery
made by Yale, and then the Yale brand
that he's got a giant company that only
employs Yale. Yep. Right? The stock of yale
increases.
Right. So. So he gets a funnel out.
Yeah. Well no. So he's company that's full
of yale employees
is first pick. Not the same there's something.
Give it the whole brand of the Yale
brand, Yeah would have increased
because they will be the discover of the
thing. And so to him, giving them the
opportunity to make a groundbreaking discovery that will
be attributed to the university that he went
to and their he only employs people from
is worth his while to spend that hundred
and 50000000 dollars. And you know that for
fact. This is just my suspicion. I'm just...
I don't I don't know that for fact.
Yeah... I'm not trying to poke holes in
your story. What do you mean do I
know that for fact? I'm telling the story
that she told me. My reason for asking
is, like I said before, I'm suspicious of
people's generosity. Of course, it has to be
something in it for them. Yeah. It's maybe
that what's in it for them is that
there's the achieving of a particular. Okay. But
that happens all the time. Right? Yeah. So
I'm not expecting my phone to ring after
this. But what I'm saying is, this is
not as ridiculous as people think. This kind
shit happens all the time. You know that
there was a... I can't remember the guy's
name. Should have been better prepared. I didn't
know we're gonna discuss this, but there was
a an astronaut. I can't remember fucking name.
That 1 of the telescope in space that
will identify a media that's gonna hit us.
And he gave a speech at Google
and
the James webb tells us. No. It's a
different 1. But he gave a speech at
Google saying that we really don't have very
good defense. Against knowing whether we're gonna get
hit by an asteroid or a comment or
whatever. Yep. Because there's so much space that
we're not covering, and we're overdue for a
a big impact. And so, you know, he
gave this very, a suppose pessimistic speech about
how we're not doing the things. And Nasa
doesn't have funding for it to get that
because they're more into exploration not
observation, and it would probably only cost half
a billion dollars. And a guy that he
gave the speech to a Google How after
He said, mate, we can raise half a
billion dollars in no fucking time. There's people
that will donate know to this. Right? Like,
we can easily do this and they did
within a couple of weeks of knowing the
right people to call to say, like, hey,
we wanna do this. Yeah. There's money in
startups and... Can't go together with this. But
the point is it's not a ridiculous thing.
Cool. Okay. So we get point. Establish these
working groups. Where we're gonna establish a blood
lines. We're gonna identify the locations. Yep. So
in Australia, we've got, like, 7 states. I
wanna put a location in each 1. This
is get the biggest cost. Alright? Is that
I wanna identify the locations where these places
will be and build the facilities. Yep. And
if facilities will need to be super high
end
working dog facilities. I'm talking triple stage kennel.
Yep. Training facilities, training grounds,
offices, working places,
education spaces,
So this is the biggest cost. Without without
a doubt biggest cost. Yeah. Blend and and
bricks and mortar yeah expensive. Again, why if
it were funded by government, It's not a
cost at all. Yep. Right. Because now we're
employing people to do these things. It's just
creating ones and zeros that go into the
economy. We're employing companies. We're employing workers. There's
people there that are create, like, the infrastructure
build out is just creating jobs within the
country. And it goes back to our states
and territory and national defense as well. Exactly.
So we start establishing locations. We start building
committees of people who can run the building
out of that. People like you who are
experts in the way a ken should run.
And instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.
Like, I don't need to go to all
the conventions where they show where all of
the the latest and greatest in internal layouts
are... Because you've done that shit. Right? So
I can buy that information from you. And
so I can have working groups within Australia,
I can bring in people from around the
world because I can pay them because I've
got the money to do this, and we
start identifying how we're gonna build these things
properly. Right? Because these need to be done
properly.
And then we have
statisticians and logistics people that go over and
help me flesh out this entire plan to
be more like, cross all the t's and
dot all the i's. Right? So this is
a bigger picture thing, but we need to
then get more into the weeds on deliverables
at what time we're gonna hit, like, what
are our Kpis where are we gonna hit
them? How are we're gonna hit them? How
are we gonna measure our success against our
failure? That kind of stuff. We need to
figure all that out. Okay?
Straightaway away, we can start going in blind
dogs. Mh. So we identify the kind of
blood lines that we wanna get, and we
want what we wanna do is bring in
a variety of different blood lines. So it's
not that we want 1 particular that we're
going hard in the pain after a particular
thing. We're, you identify a bunch of different
ones. Now how many I don't know yet
and where they're all gonna come from. I
don't know yet. But what that looks like
is we're gonna have to pay. Right? So
whether we're importing the dogs from overseas or
we're buying them here, proven lines.
Mostly what we want is to mitigate how
much risk we're taking and buy proven lines
from bitches who have
produced. Yeah. Because those are the kind of
dogs that people don't part with. Right? So,
like, the the answer when people say to
me, you know, like, because lots of people
have said to me I want wanna import
a dog, you know, like, to get a
blood line start breeding whatever.
And like you can't really do it because
for us to import a dog as a
puppy, you gotta buy that dog as a
puppy.
And that's the only way that you can
guarantee you're gonna be able to buy the
door. You buy new. Right? First hand.
Then it's 10 months old before It can
come into the country. You don't know whether
it's gonna pan out. You might have bought
the right massive risk. There's huge amount of
massive risk. Right? Mh. So I don't wanna
take those risk. I wanna hit the ground
running. Wanna identify. I wanna go to somewhere
and be like, hey. Can't help but notice
You've repeated the same mating twice. Mh. Everybody's
happy with the puppies. We'd like to... If
not buy an entire litter of your dogs,
we wanna buy that bitch, and we wanna
bring her out to Australia, and we're gonna
start breeding from her here. And we're going
to buy also semen from you because we
wanna pick up the blood line and bring
it over. We don't want some, like hodgepodge
disaster of out cross. We wanna pick up
what you have and bring it here. Mh.
Now that's gonna cost. Right? People cost it's
gonna cost. Yep. No worries. We've got we've
got 30000000. Yep.
I mean, in all already, there's millions into
dogs just in dogs and semen in that.
Yep. Probably a million. Oh, roughly. But anyway,
it depends on lots of 2 to 3.
Well, it depends on how many we're bringing
in depends on Yeah. Like great stuff. Are
we talking... Are we limiting this to Biting
dogs? Are we talking detection dogs as well.
I think that my primary focus is on
the biting dogs because that's where our biggest
problem is. I think that in Australia, we
have some really good action dogs and reliably,
people are reliably breeding the kind of dog.
But now They are, But it's where people
are finding them. Because there's, like, there's plenty
of good gun dogs being bread. Right? That
are totally suitable as detection dogs. It's where
the people are putting their hands on them.
But I don't know that we need to
import. I don't know. Right? So this is
the thing. Like, I don't know that we
need to. The reason I'm asking this is
like you're setting this up as a national
standard. Mh. Which already addresses... If you're looking
at it from a welfare and an ethics
point of view, it already addresses a national
standard. So then they can come along and
saying, well, I'm concerned about how the female
will be looked after in well. I'm concerned
with how the puppies are gonna be raised.
It's already addressed. Your model
should already put it into place, and you'll
employ someone as an ethics controller, Mh. Or
in ethics manager who basically... Whether there'll be
a hr department. Exactly. Somebody who addresses all
the roles and concerns and puts it into
place so what their job is to introduce
best practices along the way. We're getting to
that. So the first thing that we're doing
is we're importing these dogs. Right? And we're
establishing by lines. Now that a 12 month
project at the minimum. Right? Because even if
suddenly, the the ones and bureaus appeared in
my bank account today. We still have to
go through all the quarantine and everything. There's
no way around that. Right? Yep. Now there
might you wanna be building. You want infrastructure
to happen Right away happening. Straight away. So
this is all concurrent. We've got the building
of the facilities happening within Australia. Yep. And
then we've got people out buying the dogs
and we've got the dog quarantine. You right?
We potentially have people who are overseas if
we don't have trusted partners where we have
those dogs, we potentially have people in those
places raising adults. We can c
locate all the dogs from around the world
mostly to 1 place and they can all
do their quarantine time in 1 particular place
before they all come out together so we
can put staff in 1 particular place to
look after a bunch of dogs. Yeah. So
we're bringing those dogs into Australia. We've building
the facilities as per the spec of what
we've decided to do. The next thing that
we start doing is
identifying and training the staff who are gonna
be dealing with all of this when they
arrive. Yep. So our initial pool of staff
are gonna be people that you and I
know. Right? From within the space that we
know have the skill set to immediately start
making good. Alright? Yep. And we're gonna pay
them enough that it's worth their while to
do. Yeah right? The thing is with all
of this, we're not expecting any but... Like,
1 of the reasons why I think so
many of the grand plans that people have
in training people and developing blood lines on
this kind of shit. It doesn't work out
it's because people have to feed their family.
At the end of the day, people have
to make enough money to sustain themselves. Absolutely.
They need to be paid adequately for the
job that they've been pulled away or head
hunted for. That's right. And so, you know,
breeding dogs is a terrible business model You
know, unless you're just puppy farming shit dogs,
then you can make a fortune. But if
you're looking to produce something special, that doesn't
happen easily you know, and you can lose
a whole litter. You can have mating not
take. Like, there's lots of different ways that
things can go wrong. So now I need
poke a question at you. Mh And hopefully,
you've had time to think about this.
Because this will be a question because it
comes up in greyhound, it comes up in
a lot of these circles. We're gonna get
to the excess dogs. We're gonna get to
what happens with the dogs that don't pan
out. Great. There's a whole plan on that.
Okay. But so I'm glad you thought that
through because that's where they pull the pin
on this grenade. Yep. Yeah. So right now,
all we've done is establish what blood lines
we wanna get. Yep. We've go and bought
those dogs and those dogs during quarantine. Okay.
We've also bought of the dogs that are
within Australia, and we've got those dogs in
facilities we're ready to go. Yep. We are
building out the facilities. And whether we're putting
1 in every state or just in key
states. I'm not sure. But but we are
building those facilities, and they are gonna be
not identical, but they're gonna be very similar.
Right? Like, there isn't gonna be a 1
that's better than the others. That they're all
gonna be capable of doing the same shit.
They're gonna be the same size. Roughly, they're
all capable of doing the same shit. Even
though later, they're gonna service different markets. But
the point is we're moving these things things
around so that we're not putting all of
eggs in 1 basket. Would you be open
to crowdfunding funding? Yeah. For sure. If people
wanted to
put in the money? I'm open at all
kinds of funding. If you're looking at this
as a project and something that's sustainable and
it warrants growth,
and you could attract, you know, the contracts
from state territory and federal governments to primarily
fix the hole in the bucket. Who cares
where the finances is. No. Exactly. The main
thing is as long as the decision making
person, who I'm referring to as myself, but,
like I'm saying, it could be many people,
it doesn't have to be. Would you outsource
it if you've come up with this and
you've drafted it. Well because maybe I don't
wanna do. But this is a lot of
work.
It is. It is a lot of work.
But it's something that would sustain... Yeah. Jokes
aside. If somebody said, hey, I have the
money to do this. You can do it.
I would do it. But again, this is
part of it. My business would die. I'm
happy to do that because I do my
business in order to achieve. Like, I will
achieve more of what I'm trying to achieve
in my life. But this is a level
Yeah. That's right. But the pay would have...
Like, this is a this a big part
of it but we gotta pay people well.
Because if I'm gonna put my whole business
off, I would basically have to shut down
everything I do. Yep. And to do this.
I need to be compensated for that. A
hundred percent so don't disagree. But so does
everybody at every stage in this. So we're
paying people well throughout this whole thing. In
order to make sure that we attract the
right people. And they wanna stay. That's the
main thing. Yeah. It is that not only
do we need the right people to be
want the job, but we need people to
wanna keep their job and continue to be
team players in the development of this. Right?
Because we're paying them so much that they
couldn't make that money anywhere else. Yep. So
we've got the facilities being built. Yep. We've
got the dogs overseas, we start training people
immediately. Yeah. Immediately. Yeah What that looks like
is we start running trainer schools.
Now we're gonna be training people who are
not just
interested in it, but they're the ones who
wanna, like, see the vision through. And we're
employing people. Like, let me throw out some
names. And also,
now that I'm thinking about this, you can
also provide them with an accreditation, so they
actually get to obtain a skill said. Yep.
And hold an accreditation that will follow them
whether they choose to stay or go. Yep
For sure. Yep. We then say to people,
and let me throw out, like, let me
use
Bang as an example. Yeah right? Ben's definitely
1 of the people that I approach, he
performs a similar function to this like in
his own scale, Ben's a great trainer does
his own thing, but he's in perth. Yep.
Right? So he's a person I say, hey
Ben. You're money my perth. I want you.
Do you wanna do? Now let's assume that
he's happy with the amount of money we
can pay him to do it. Yep. And
he's like Fuck In. Okay. Cool. There's... I'm
not running 1 of them. I'm overseeing it.
I'm a project manager of the whole thing.
We have... And let's just say it's gonna
be you here. If for... For whatever reason
you've quit your job in your here. Right?
You're doing the new south Wales 1. We've
got people in Melbourne, Queensland, all the places
what we do is we start having these
coordinated training sessions. Yep. So that all these
people, there's a big flight budget. Right? We'll
get together at the various facilities that we're
now building. And in... Until they're ready, we
start doing it wherever we do it, but
we start
cross leveling the training, and we've upscale everybody
as much as possible. You here start running
like, hey, This is how I do things
as to tell I think of training dogs.
We run these
concentrations. Maybe they're weekend things that happen every
month so that you're constantly training your staff
here. But then everybody comes together or a
selected number because people have to run the
candles or whatever, but selected number of people
are constantly
coming together to cross information. Alright?
Then when the dogs start arriving, we then
allocate them around the country because we're only
say we bring in 10 different dogs, 10
different blood lines or maybe it's 5 blood
lines with 2 of each. Whatever we decide
on, this is, you know,
effect of the working group that figures out.
We then put those around we start breeding.
Now we don't sell giveaway part ways with
any of the dogs for probably 10 years.
Right? This is that we are developing real
blood lines. So these candles. This is 1
of the reason why it's so difficult is
the huge because we have to be able
to keep whole leaders.
And we have to be able to see,
like, what happens over time here because we're
trying to establish proper blood lines that has
never been established in Australia. We wanna look
and see, like, okay, this puppy, and we're
recording all of this. Right? Like, there's so
much availability of this sort of data in
this kind of facility. Universe cities could get
in and this as hundred percent. We could
study it like, there's plenty of room for
this to people can do thesis Phd. Exactly.
Like it's got scope for all of this.
Exactly. Yeah. So we start breeding these dogs,
and we have now these meetings maybe go
from monthly to quarterly or something like that.
But the facility heads
guided by the project manager,
meet regularly. Now maybe that's in person, Maybe
that's a weekly meeting zoom call whatever where
we talk about where we're at how things
are panning out, And we can show the
video. We've got all the data. And so,
like, this is how these dogs are developing.
This is what we're seeing. This is what
we're encountering. We like this. We don't like
this. And we're watching this over time and
seeing like, these puppies that show us particular
traits at a young age. Are we seeing
that turn into something at 2 years old?
Mh. And when we repeat that mating? Are
we seeing the same thing? Is that... Is
that something that we can rely on? Can
we understand that? And what we're also doing
along the way is we're real allocating these
dogs, so that although the dogs are at
a particular facility. They're not your dogs. They're
the project stocks, and we're moving them around
because you and Ben again to use you
guys as an example.
Gonna have slightly different things that you do,
you're gonna have different things. And even though
you're both on the same mission, you both
share the same vision, and you're both being
guided by the same inputs. You're still gonna
do things differently. That's the beauty of these
different variables Different people. Yeah. And so we're
gonna see
the blood line that landed over there, that's
going really well for. But I'll give us
a couple of those at the next mating,
put them over here and see how they
go with you. Right? See how, like all
this effect has of that. Different climates, all
sorts of things. In the meantime, we're still
doing these big connected training days. Right? Where
we use the facilities at each 1, and
maybe that looks like we bring a bunch
of dogs. Maybe we fly them in and
we drive them. However they get to the
places, but the dogs come with a bunch
of their handlers.
And we start cross leveling. And we show,
like, hey, This is where we're at with
these dogs. These are the problems we're encountering,
seems to be fairly uniform across the litter.
You know, like, so we start getting to
really understand these things. And over time, and
I'm talking... When I say over time, I'm
talking 5 to 10 years before we have
any real relevant data, we then start to
get a pretty fucking good understanding of, like,
what works and what doesn't. What adapts well
to certain training techniques when we put different
blood lines together what happens, and we've got
other oversight of all of these. By people
who
we're not trying to convince anyone of anything.
The main thing of this is everybody's being
paid to do the work
rather than sell any of these dogs. These
dogs are staying in the facilities. We have
within the facilities. We have people that live
there. We have kennel,
but we have house setups where some of
the dogs are gonna be raised to feel
like they're someone's pet, and they're gonna leaving
in the house with someone and we're gonna
see... Are they capable of Are they not?
Because that's an interesting data point. It's not
doesn't mean that they're good or bad or
otherwise, but it's a data point that would
is how how does it affect the outcome?
Yeah How does that affect? And so these
guys that, you know, once we know, okay,
we're reliably breeding similar dogs, we raise them
differently, and we say, okay, what happens here?
Because when you're out crossing dogs, and then
you raise them differently, that's not data in
any way, shape or form because they could
be fucking completely different dogs a way that
1 reacts to being raised in a house
versus in a kennel isn't is of no
use if they're not similar dogs genetically,
or like similarly spirited dogs rather than just
brothers that are completely different dogs. Yep. So
we've got Facilities all around the place. We're
breeding dogs in all these different facilities. We're
meeting regularly
for concentrated training days where we are ups
skill everybody. And the goal is at the
upper levels, the sort of management of those
facilities, I want long term staff. Mh. I
I want people who are get and
time. Yep. In the mid sort of management,
the trainer level, I want people who are
there for a few years at the least.
I want them getting their skills, definitely ticked
up. Yep. But they're gonna be learning so
much about dogs and behavior, and they're gonna
get so good on them the tools that
I want those people then going like, you
know what? I can go out into private
industry. And as I'm saying if they get
accreditation, there's so much upside for them. Yeah.
And out ken text our basic trainers, not
our supervisor level trainers, but our actual normal
trainers. I wanna a high turnover. Those. I
don't want them in the job for a
really long period of time. Of course, they
can be, that can work their way through
the whole thing and go from 1 to
the other. There's a career progression within for
them. But I want those people turning over
because there are staff that are now training
the rest of the people around the country.
They're are people who spend 06:12 months with
us.
Doing this stuff, getting a really high skill
set in dog training in general, and then
they're the ones that are going into people's
homes doing behavior education, getting jobs in places
like this at kennel that train pets. Yeah.
Because they behavioral knowledge. They understand how to
care and Medicate and all the stuff. Everything.
And the invaluable thing of that as well
is a lot of candles don't have people
that have got experience with dogs that have
got eye drives. Yeah. So then you're already
plugging somebody in who can come in as
a senior
leadership role that can come in and say,
yep, I've dealt with dogs at this caliber.
I've looked after him. I've done all the
husband. I've done the medications. Yeah. Fantastic.
Amazing. Staff within these facilities are going to
be encouraged
to take a particular
dog. The dog will always remain owned by
the facility. Until we get enough data on
them to the point where they're like, okay.
We know everything we need to know about
these dogs. They're 3, 4 years old. You
can have it if you want it. Right?
But in the meantime, they live in the
facility, but they potentially go home with staff
members if that's what they want. Right? And
I wanna encourage those staff members to do
things with those dogs. So So they can
compete with the dogs, and they can compete.
We will grow dog sport like fucking crazy.
And Bunch them. Obviously,
I wanna push Psa. Because it's a great
crossover as well because that's right. The Psa
dog can go straight into industry. Yep. But
we want dogs doing Ig. If people are
more interested in doing Mon, we wanna grow
that because now like, the biggest bottleneck that
we have to those kind of sports existing
is people that wanna play them. No. That's
not true. There's plenty of people who wanna
play them. It's people who have the ability
to have a dog that's capable of doing
it, live in a living situation where they
can keep that kind of dog and have
access to other people who can help them
do it. IDQA
club or that kind of shit. And have
a Gp dog with a recall. Yeah.
So these
facilities, solve all of those problems. So we're
growing dog sport like fucking crazy. Know At?
Like, and we are using these dogs, and
that's our testing ground. We're then putting them
into the test tools come off, let's say
the dog on the field. We're doing all
these sorts of things.
At a certain point, we're gonna reach the
place where we're gonna start placing dog.
And it's what we're gonna do is the
adult dogs who are raised trains sold. We're
gonna raise trained ready. We're gonna start placing
them in various roles. Now those roles look
like. Police and military roles. Those those roles
look like, you know, detection. If that's what
we're doing. We're gonna be going to corrections.
We're going to also. And this is 1
of the reasons why there needs to be
a decision maker who can do the things.
It's exactly sort of as you've alluded to
the greyhound staff. Mh. Is that there needs
to be a person. And again, I feel
like I embody this, but it needs to
be a person who
sees the vision of it. And is their
decisions
questioned
only in how successful they'll be not what
kickback they got from it. Because the moral
compass of you
as I have for many years, I would
completely trust you with... And like it's I
wanna I know you was.
If... But, like, I wanna be out of
place a door with someone. And never and
not be questioned over it. So I want
I want someone to turn up and you're
like a person who's not within it or
maybe they're an employee that's left whatever. Yep.
And I go, no, You've got the skill
set. Yep. Like, you take this dog. I
know how much skin you would have in
this. And how important it would be to
you... Let's include Ego in this
for your ego to be able to sit
still at night and be comfortable
or not let's not call it your ego,
but your
soul
to be not restless about this. I know
how important it would be to you to
pull it off and make sure that there's
transparency. Yeah. And clean execution in this. Yeah.
That's right. So I think that what's super
important
for whoever runs that is that they're transparent
and what they do. Yep. But you can't
influence what I do. Like I'm doing that.
I item given 10 of these dogs to
someone to see what they do with them.
I'm fucking doing that. I'll tell you that's
what's happening.
And I'll explain why and I'll give you
the bigger picture on why I think it's
a worthwhile investment to the project.
But what there can't be as a person
going, Oh, but, he's your mate. Like, yeah,
no shit. He's my friend. That's why I
know him. That's why I have the level...
Like, because that's the problem with a lot
of these things is that people... Certainly in
government department. Like, this is an interesting thing
say of my own own old unit is
that now I'm so far gone from the
unit that there's a lot of people who
never knew me there.
Who are now in, like, senior executive positions.
Mh. And they look, and they go, why
are we employing this guy who's a former
unit member, and they can go well this
rigs of fucking corruption. Yeah. Because the boys
are just looking after him. And that definitely
from the outside is totally fair thing to
think. Yeah. You should be able to ask
that question. Yeah. But we go, no. The
reason he's here is because we know him,
we know and trust him and he has
the skill. Skill set. Here's the skill set.
So that's how it needs to. Here is
the resume that you are unfamiliar with. Yeah.
Yeah. So we do all that. Now we've
got
super skilled people, Because we're constantly meeting we're
cross leveling. We're not only moving the dogs
around. We're moving staff where that's possible and
appropriate now aware that that means people are
moving around, But a lot of these facilities
have leave in capability them. Right? Because we
need to be doing that. We've got Kennel
full of dogs. Right? People have to leave
their all the time. And before too long,
we're gonna have
hundred and 50 dogs at 1 of the
places is gonna need to be multiple people
that leave at the premises. Yep. So we
can start moving people around who are willing
to do that and cross leveling skill sets,
cross leveling dogs and massively
increasing the quality of the average dog trainer
around the country by putting back into the
dog space, these people. Now we will be
holding events we'll be ups skill, people who
are outside of your conversations. Seminars all of
all of it. Yep. All of that.
Then,
eventually, we get to the point where we're
raising and training these dogs. How does it
regenerate profit? We're getting to that? Okay. Cool.
At a certain point we start placing the
dogs in units, and we're giving them to
them. Right right? We're giving them to these
units and saying like, this is our dog,
Now the realities around this get tricky, but
however it looks, we place the dogs with
people and go, we are giving you this
dog
on the premise that we stay very up
to date with what happens with this dog.
Yep. We wanna know everything about what happens.
Judgment free. This is not to ridicule your
training or whatever? Just to find out what
happens in the field. What happens? We need
to know how well the dog engages we
need to know how well does it go
and tracking? Like, how does it play out.
Mh. And without judgment, we're not planning on
blaming you for anything. If there's a hole
in your training and you know it or
you want that plug, come to us we'll
happily plug research. That's what we need to
know what's going on. We eventually get to
the point where we maybe identify that maybe
this pipeline didn't pan out. There's a healthy
issue fuck. We didn't know about that. It's
come to the surface now. Mh. Or these
ones turn out to be too spicy. They
come back at the handlers. Yeah right? There's
lots of different things. So we start going,
okay, We're not gonna continue with that 1.
We're gonna cross level and we're gonna, like,
push that 1 out. So that I would
think that 10 years later
we should have a pretty good visibility on
probably 3 different styles of dogs that we
like. What are you gonna call this? Ga
Kennel? Something on that.
We then get to the point where now
we can start looking that perhaps we start
selling these dogs to public. Now people rather
than people who are part of our organization,
now we can start to potentially sell them.
And we start looking at how that's gonna
go. That takes a new different structure. That's
a different team. They'll end goal
of this whole thing
is that we have identified people along the
way who are bought in Right? Like they're
you on the project they wanna do it,
and we eventually get to the point now.
I don't know the timeline on this. It
might be 15 years. It might be 20
years.
But again,
that's small numbers when you're talking massive infrastructure
projects, which this is.
We then eventually get to the point where
if this is government funded,
then we get to the point where we
go, alright, you Glenn can take a lease
on the premises that we own,
that lease will be, like, a 99 year
lease, like you essentially own it, and it'll
be at no cost, but we can kick
you out if you're you know, in proprietary
whatever, like that's how it will work. Yep.
On the same day, we've been cross loading
everybody. We've been getting everybody to these same
points on the same day, The gloves come
off, we're no longer a government department, uses
is now a functioning business for you. But
it has been built. The facility is there.
Right? You've got the blood lines working. All
the risk is gone in that way. We've
cross leveled everything.
Everybody's at an even playing field.
It's now up to you to turn this
into a functioning business that continues to do
the same. Now how long it takes to
get to that point I don't know. Yeah.
And how viable that last step is I'm
not a hundred percent. That's so far down
the line, but I I don't know. I
many facilities you say you need? 1 per
state, but at the minimum, I think that
you'd need 5. Like, I think you need...
You didn't need more than 30000000 dollars. Yeah.
It depends on like I agree, but it
depends on how we're costing things? Like, are
we paying for every dollar ourselves or, like,
other facilities... The purpose built facilities.
You wouldn't get much change out of 5000000.
That's what I'm expecting. 5000000 per. But then
if it were government funded, like I was
saying, money comes from different places Mh. So
the infrastructure build out might not be a
cost of ours. Running cost might be. It
depends on how these sorts of things are
are established.
But That's the plan. The plan is as
a simple recap is that we build the
places, we train the people. We bring in
the dogs we work cohesive together under 1
center management
that make sure the project
as a whole is successful. Mh. We continue
to cross level, cross train,
test,
adjust, test, adjust,
go ahead. And at the minimum,
I think that it would turn Australia from
a place that's like, oh, it can be
hard to put your hands on the right
dogs.
To we'll be exporting dogs. We'd be the
home. If there was the level of input
that I want to do with this is
that not only would we solve our own
internal problem, we would become vendors to the
rest of the world for the same thing
because to my knowledge, there isn't anywhere that
has a project this big that is being
run in this way. Just to throw the
cat amongst the pigeons. Mh. Let's say somebody
listened to this podcast and said, Great idea.
Love it. He's 50000000 dollars, but you gotta
do it offshore. I don't wanna do it
in Australia. It's not really any point. I'm
trying to solve our dog problem. Cool. Okay.
Like 1 whole plugged? Where do they wanna
do it? Well, it could be the salt
and the B I might say I'm prepared
to fund you. Cash is unlimited, but Gonna
do it in B and eye. Nah, without
speaking out of school, I've been offered blank
check jobs around the world. And no. I'm
not interested. Yep. This is my home. Yeah.
I agree. Yeah. Or, have been offered blank
check, but I've offered roles in other countries,
even though it's suited made in Certain. Yeah.
So... And I agree, you know, there's no
place like home. Yeah. Plus with what you're
talking about, you need to understand the back
story of who's gonna be brought into it.
And have that in Australia. That's right. Yeah.
Whereas if you're starting elsewhere, it's all grassroots.
Yeah. Yep. And I think, 1 of the
most important things about this
is the vision of the success at the
end. So like, people who don't like each
other. But if you have the skill set,
I'm employing you. If you've got the skill
set, I'm employing you because I need those
skills. And I'm gonna pay you what you're
worth,
to pass those skills onto to other people
or to help train or perform the function
that you can train. Like, that's important. I
think in this is that there's gotta be
a like, I'm working towards a vision of
this.
And
personalities aside, like, I'm getting it done. Mh.
And money is what solves all of that.
You know what I mean? Not always. Not
always. But for the most part. Money is
what solves a lot of those issues. When
people say, I don't work with that guy
and you're go, hey, is how much Pay.
They go, work with them no problem. Right?
Because we're gonna use people for what they
provide us. Yep. This is the vision that
I have for it. Mh. I think it's
worth pointing out for people who are still
listening. In Australia, big working dog kennel don't
exist. There's a few small people trying to
port it off and they're doing their bits
and pieces. Yeah Don't have vendors and we
don't have
execute. Yeah. You don't have it. It's not
a big thing. It's not a big viable
business. Yeah for many reasons,
but to start doing it now, the main
reason is the cost of the facility. Yep.
So you won't get a return. Real estate
in Australia is, like, horrendous expensive. And I
think
Metropolitan and Sydney prices are the second highest
in the world. Yeah. And so the cost
of the facility, the cost of the wages
along the way to do it, like it's
not a viable business. Mh. But
potentially,
if when we build it up, like when
it's running, it could be a profitable business
to run, but you could not build it
and recover your costs. That will never happen.
But if when it were running,
then we said, okay, we're cutting off your
funding and you have to make your own
money, that's viable. If the facility is built.
The dogs are in. The clients are there
ready to buy dogs. Yep. It's a viable
thing to keep running. But what we don't
have is facilities to do it, What doesn't
happen in Australia is that police and military
don't send their handlers out for their handler
courses. They run them internally. So that changes
the way that dog work happens and the
level to which dogs are trained before they're
sold. That affects that because They don't wanna
a dog with too much training because the
handler has to learn to train that dog
on his course. And so the idea of
that you train the dog to a standard
then the handler comes in and you do
the hand over a 6 week period with
your handle of course or whatever it is.
That doesn't happen here like that happens in
many other places in the world. Yep. We
don't have
big schools where you can go and spend
06:12
months and get your hands on a ton
of dogs and be learning
shit tons along the way. We don't really
have that, you know, in doing this project,
the whole dog industry changes.
It's hyper niche. It is hyper niche because
I'm talking about the working dog end of
it. But I promise you if you wanna
do in home behavior mode, you spend 12
months at a place like that, you understand
in home behavior mode better than fucking most
people out there. You are at accomplished dog
person. And when you've been getting those kind
of dogs and training them all day and
dealing with the issues that come of those
kind of dogs and all the things that
we'll be dealing with. You are very accomplished
dog trainer to then go into work in
a facility doing board trains or working for
yourself doing in home behavior model whatever you
wanna do after that. Mate, I can't
express, the gratitude I have for people like
boyd who gave me a leg up in
the industry by teaching me to teach
protection and law enforcement dogs. It gave me
a massive leg up above other people in
the industry who were doing pet dog training,
not only did I understand pet dog training,
but I understood it from multiple different levels
and applications where I could deal with dogs
that other people were unprepared to work with,
wouldn't work with by choice. Or had 0
skills to be able to execute it.
Understanding the application of dogs with potential in
drives,
sent detection dogs, you're at a massive advantage
to anybody in the industry because you have
a skill set unmatched by
95 percent of the dog training population. Yeah.
Unmatched for sure. And so they're the people
that will be churning out and put them
back into the community. I had my birthday
the other day. I turned 54 years old.
Even at my age now, I'm still getting
cold around the kennel to pull aggressive dogs
out because the staff that work with them.
And this is not a b on my
staff. I'm not having to go with them.
Some of these people are very new, and
they shouldn't be touching these dogs and they
do the right thing, but I'm still pulling
the dogs out of the kennel for them.
And this is why I say to people
when I have a scorn about people in
the industry who are doing
aggression consultation work they sit in an office
talking about it or prescribing meds for the
dogs, but have no real practical application. This
would solve that. Yeah. For sure. This would
absolutely solve that. For sure. The more you're
talking about this, the more board I am
with it. There's so many different cool things
that can come
Like, you wanna do a a long term
study on behavioral training and how it goes.
No worries. That's Saying your entire university thesis,
your Phd could be you know, you come
along from 1 of the
institutes and say, hey. I've got a team
of people who wanna study the behavioral analysis
of these dogs. Yep. And also be able
to train your staff, run conferences and so
forth on what they're actually seeing. The entire
network comes in an internal conference happens where
we say, hey, We've got the Mit of
Canine behavior. Yep. Here to present their findings
to us Like, you... They've been spending the
last 18 months watching the development of these
puppies, these females
along the way, and they're going to upscale
us in the knowledge of what we're actually
doing. Yeah. And you could run full long
term studies on... Okay. Here's a litter of
dogs. Yep. There's 10 of them. Let's cut
them into quarters,
not literally.
Yeah. Like Yeah. But we then go... Alright.
These few are gonna be raised with this
kind of training method.
These 2 are gonna be raised with this.
These 2 are gonna be raised with this
2 years later. Let's see where they're at.
And we've got the same people training them
because we've cross loaded these but, like, it's
not like I'm wed to this as how
I do things. It's the people who are
there are like, hey, man, I want this
to achieve. So if you tell me to
train these 2 dogs with a particular a
method, and then these 2 those with a
different method and see which 1 pans are.
Yeah. My job is to see how it
goes, not be successful with either. So I
don't have a bias as to how this
pans out. I would want the data so
that on the next litter of dogs, we
know the best way to do it. Right?
And so I think that's the sort of
data that we don't have. It's invaluable. Yeah.
That's invaluable. And the scaling of this thing,
like, I imagine it at the bigger scale,
and I explained it at the biggest scale.
But the truth is, even if it were
just 1 facility, it would still be worthwhile
doing. Right? Like, even if the phone rings
and someone says, hey, Pat, I've done the
actual costing on this. And 30000000 dollars is
only gonna get you 1 of these places
and run it for that long. It's still
worth doing because we can do all the
same shit. We're just not gonna have as
much redundancy as if we do it at
a bigger a scale. Well, you can template
it too. Like, once you sort of ina
out the kinks, then hopefully, somebody will wanna
further invest and say, now that you've got
the
prototype
underway. Yep. And you've developed this template. Yep.
Now you've done that. I'm willing to expand
it into other state. So you've you've got
1 in Sydney It's humming along. Yep. Let's
build another 1 in perth. Yep. Right. And
so, like, it doesn't have to be a
all at once. So we can do East
West. Yep. Yep. But the most important thing
that I keep coming back to is that
it has to have a decision maker. There
has to be a person who is only
wed to this excess of it. And that's
why I like, I see this as a
vision. And again, I wanna explain, like, if
my phone rang, there's no chances happening. But
if my phone rang, and so I said,
hey, I'm back in this thing, but you
have to run it. I would do it.
Yeah. But if it went to tender, like,
if the government decided if somebody in the
background is working on the... This or a
better plan, and they're looking for a person
to run it. I'm not volunteering. Like, I'm
I'm very happy with what I'm doing, but
it has to have a head. And it
has to have a person who makes all
these decisions and is paid a salary
regardless of how it goes. Yep. So that
and doesn't end up on the ray hadley
show. Yeah. But so their salary is not
conditional on
anybody else's influence. It's that they're just working
towards success, and they're allowed to make decisions
that assist in doing that. Yep. But may...
I think that it would be cool. And
like I say, like, it's a pipe dream.
It's something that I've had in my mind
for a long time. I obviously have much
more sort of detail in my mind than
we're sort of going into as we waffle
here, But there needs to be more detail
put into it. And, yeah. This is just
this is a high level just sketching it
out. And every time
I
mentioned this, there's always people that sc at
the money, but then there's other people who
know what I know about this kind of
thing that are like, yeah, totally feasible. Like,
you're in the right place at the right
time, got the ear of the right person.
Yeah. Totally feasible. But you've seen plenty of
projects who multiples and multiples of beans are
being tipped into them. Yep. And like I
said, it could be a private back that
just decides Daddy Elon might decide. Yeah. I'm
up for fixing the dog problem in Australia.
Right right? But
then it's real money or as real as
money can be. Yep. But like I say,
government infrastructure projects are not real money. That's
not they're spending money into existence and they're
fucking doing that
nonstop all the time every day. You know.
Let me make something very clear to everybody
out there. The government's money is our money.
But it's not even real. So remember Covid,
Like I can't remember what they did America,
but remember when they gave us, was it
900 bucks or something this gave everybody 900
bucks. Yeah Right? That was the money. They
didn't get that from somewhere. That didn't have
to come out of my list. They just
went... We're making up 9 900 dollars per
person. Yep. Right? Do that again, but give
it to me and let me fix the
dog problem with it. Right? Like, because they're
doing that shit all the time, the type
of money that we're talking about,
is a drop in the ocean. It's 1
fighter jet. You know what It mean like
It's yeah. Exactly. These.
Exactly. You could have the entire dog problem
fixed to the point where no government agency
in Australia ever worried about where they get
their next dog from and that there's there's
many of them we're exporting and all around
the world.
For the cost of a fighter jet. Our
30 five's has never happened, and we never
got the 20 twos. But 1 fighter jet,
we could have the dog problem sold. And
a fraction of a submarine. Yeah. Yeah. Like
the snorkel on a submarine. Yeah. 1 of
the propellers. Yeah. Exactly. Yep. On the upside
of this, when you're looking at the trade
off. When anybody's doing the figures in their
head, what it would do to our
industry capability
would be invaluable. Well, it solves the working
dog problem in all the working dog spaces.
Not in a short term in the medium
term. It solves that. Right?
But again, in the medium term, it upscale
dog trainers
incredibly. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's we
don't have to be just shorts sided because
we've already gone through the upside of every
little box that it could tick along the
way. I think we've only just got to
flesh this out. I mean, obviously, you've been
meditating on this a lot longer than I
have because the reason I'm asking all these
brilliantly placed questions of mine. This is the
first time we're we haven't yet. We've never
spoken about. We haven't. Well, we've had other
than me mentioning it. Yeah. We've had it
mentioned, but we've never really... I've never had
it fleshed out before. So
it's peaking my curiosity.
And as you're discussing, as you're bringing it
up, I can start to see the vision
of the template building out in my head.
Yeah. So I can see it where it
could go and the potential reach it could
have and what it could mean to our
industry. And as I've said before,
1 of the things that is very important
to me is creating legacy. Not about myself.
It's not about a wrecking a monument in
my name. It's never gonna happen. But what's
important to me when I'm on my deathbed.
I'd love to look back on this. Just
for myself,
I had little part in that. I had
a little part in helping these people achieve
that, and that was important to me. Like
I stood for something. Things like this are
important for your legacy, but it's done for
the right reasons. It's not done for people's
un egos. It's done that we're leaving something
behind for the next generation to say,
we can make this better. You know, like,
we can expand on this. And instead of
us being dis
and fragmented and having state groups not talking
to federal groups, we can have everybody talking
to everyone. Yeah. We're all in on this.
We are 1 country we're defending our borders,
we're protecting our citizens,
This is in the national interest of the
Australian sovereign and its people. Yeah. For sure.
I think the vision that I have of
it too is that each 1 of these
places
becomes a mecca in its region. Yeah. So
you got an agility trial. Have it at
our place. Right? We've got a whole field
here. You wanna do some lure course. Yeah.
This is a dog place. Yeah. It's for
dog things to happen. Yeah. And so in
that way, we're we're constantly
exposing ourselves Yeah. To new information, new people,
new techniques,
but people to us Yep. As well. And
so that's part of my vision for it
is that the cross leveling of the staff,
like the staff, the amount of training that
could go into making sure that not only
are we got really good trainers at facility,
but we're continuing to make more of them.
Yeah. Like we're continuing to upscale people and
put them out into the community that have
dealt with real dogs
and now when someone's got their dog pulling
him down the street. They're like, oh, it's
easy. I've fucking working with killers that dragged
me from the kennel. Or when somebody has
a dangerous dog that won't come out of
the channel. They're like, oh, this is Wednesday.
Like exactly. Exactly right. I have an employee
that's being accredited through this school. They know
how to do Yeah. And for argument sake
the annual justice party have any ethical concerns.
We'll say, we're addressing all of. We don't
need to be involved in this because we're
addressing all of Thank you very much. Yeah.
Something I agree with you entirely, and I
hadn't really thought of it was, I think
having a, like, an ethics
or a
oversight person embedded in it. Yeah. We're wanna
know how we're treating the dolls. Like, we've
got a person whose job it is to
report off. He's our ethics manager. You can
speak to them. They have all the data,
all the information and total transparency to take
you through. Yep. Yeah. And that person is
oversee by me or the other that goes
like, Hey. I don't wanna see a fucking
biases in this. Like, I wanna see. This
is true neutrality. Yeah. You speak the facts.
There is no left. There is no right.
This is total neutrality, this is how it
stands. Yeah. We're just... We're aiming to success
and nothing else. You're talking the science, not
the bot science. Yep. So that's it. That's
my plan. Putting it out in the universe.
Oh, I when you first brought this up
to me, it was a couple of years
ago I think the first time I heard
the idea of it. I kinda liked it,
but I kinda thought, to pie in the
sky.
There's just no much is. It is, but
I just kept thinking myself. It's 1 of
those things that sounds good on paper, but
just trying to get everybody to agree on
it. I actually think we're at a time
where I've seen cohesion happening. Yeah. Like I've
seen federal and stay and Army all talking
to each other. Thanks to a few key
people
who actually have got together and said, hey,
we should be mapping this out to Yeah.
Because of those key people, and those key
people should actually be involved in this project.
Yeah. Because they're the people that make sound
investment in other people's futures, not just their
own. Yeah. And I think this is the
beauty of it that if the money is
allocated,
and you get people who are like, I
oppose that. Yep. It's like cool man. You'll
be left behind. Like, that's what we're doing
it. We don't need your fucking permission. Yeah.
And so if you're
organization, your unit, whatever. It doesn't wanna be
involved in it. That's fine. Yeah. Fuck off.
We're doing it, and
you'll come grove back to us in the
future, and we'll provide you the dogs then.
Yeah. But if you don't wanna play at
the start, that's fine. We don't need you.
That's what's important about it is the money's
put there. I don't have to ask anyone
for help. I can pay the people who
I need to do the jobs. And I
know all the right, like, yeah know, Off
the top of my head, I can name
most of the people that should be involved
in this from around Australia. And if I
have the money, I can pay them enough
that they will come on onboard. Yep. Right,
even though they've got their own shit going
on, but I'm like, hey, man. A salary,
and it's a salary. You're getting paid that
every 2 weeks, we're working towards this. Yep.
People have fucking doing that. If there's some
obstruction. It's like, I don't think it's a
good idea. We're like, fuck you. You you
don't involved then. That's fine. But doing it.
Anyway? That's my plan. Elon. I know you're
a Avid listener of the show. He is.
I heard that. Just sends me a casual
tweet every now and then and just says,
love what your boys are doing, keep it
up. My bigger a concern
ethically. Yep. Is when you say if somebody
offers you that money
overseas, would you do it? And probably not.
But if there were private backers offering the
money to do it australia, there'd be some
concerns over
who? Well, the concern Am Taken russian money
to do this. Well, that's a athena sector.
The the can... And that's why I'm saying
transparency needs to be disclosed upfront. Yeah. Like
you can't start this on... Yeah. I think
that the whole thing would have to be
open source. It does. Like the books are
here. It's Google. It's a Google drive. You
can fucking log in and see it whenever
you want. This is where we're spending all
the money. Yeah. I think that would sit
comfortably with people as long as they couldn't
find any form of corruption through it. Yeah.
Unfortunately, we're living in a world where people
just don't have anything better to do with
their time other than to look into your
business. Yeah. And if they can find something
that's remotely dirty or suspicious or it looks
like it's been black opt or something like
that. Yeah. Immediately, it raises a red flag
and immediately thing all of the... Yeah. We're
not doing it the. We're fucking resin dogs.
Yeah. You know what? Like, you could see
or, like, I know that, but I, like
I'm saying, you know, like, if suddenly, you
get 30 to 50000000 dollars,
I think it's more around 50000000 dollars. That's
the summer that Okay. I'm sort of doing...
I'm happy to make a 50... I'm thinking
50 just to make this plausible with all
the salaries and with the buy ins and
the infrastructure and everything like that. It's considerable.
Mh. But as long as that did come
through an ethical source, which I suggested before,
perhaps we could look at crowdfunding funding it
where everybody's got say in it, then we
could say it to him well, As a
reward, we're gonna put on seminar, and all
the people who did this tier of money,
you get Vip spot. Like, yeah. Get access
to it all. Yeah. Get access to it
all. Like, you're part of our training plan
going forward. The main thing is wherever the
money came from,
You just don't wanna be behold to people.
So you can see how I'm spending it,
but you don't have any say house. Yeah.
Yeah. That's right. They can't put a leash
around in and then say, well, you got
my money now you're my Yeah. Yeah. That's
not how it's gonna get. Can't be like
that. Yeah. That's why the government stuff never
worked. There's plenty of government breeding programs there's
plenty of government facilities that are kinda like
this, but what there isn't
is a czar. Yeah. That's in charge of
it all. That is like, no. Fuck you.
This is how we're doing it Like, don't
try and tell me what to do. You
don't know anything about this. Fuck off being
counter. Like, I know that one's 3 dollars
cheaper. I know that widget is 3 dollars
cheaper than that 1, but you don't understand
the difference between what those widgets us. I
don't fucking tell me which 1 to buy.
Well, that's what happens when investment groups get
involved on board with a good product because
they come in and they say, well, now
that we're on board and now we have
shareholders money involved in this. Now you have
to find a much cheaper way Yeah producing
the same product, and we don't care if
the standard goes down. We just need it
done cheaper so we can see more return.
That's what happens say throughout the army for
sure. So everywhere, man. Take for example, Like
think things having to go to tinder and
stuff in government. So have to choose my
words carefully. But a long time ago, we
bought D. It's where you can just buy
stuff off the shelf. Right? Yep. The problem
with the military buying stuff off the shelf
is it's not in the system then. Right?
So you can't get replacement parts. You can't
get that kind of stuff like we bought
hundred kits of it. And we've just got
a hundred kits. Whereas usually in the military,
if you want a hundred kits of it,
you need, like, 500 kits of it because
people will break it, it needs to be
replaceable, gotta issue it to new people that
come in, all that kind of stuff. Right?
Yep. So then it goes onto to, like,
the block scales, which is where it's got
a a number and it can be ordered,
and then keep a certain number of them
on the shelf at all time ready to
go to replacement things. But what especially happens
in special forces is we get a lot
of what they call Do for or you
just buy it. Right? Yep. But years ago,
we bought a particular type of body armor,
and we just fitted out 1... I think
it was just a platoon initially, like, 30
guys got kid out with this fucking really
slick body armor. And it wasn't even the
plates. It was just the carriage of it.
Yep. And then we're like, we want this.
But it has to go to tinder. And
so then they go, okay. But you can't
say you want that brand. You have to
tell us what it is you want,
describe it. And anybody who meets that description
at the lowest price is gonna be the
provider of it. What we ended up with
was this fucking dog shit version. Why is
that? Because that's how the government system works.
Right? So... And that's to avoid corruption and
all kinds of stuff. But that's what slows
things down and avoids. And if there's an
Australian vendor of a product, you cannot buy
it. Oh, fuck, I don't even know where
that law is. But that is a law.
That if there's an Australian,
vendor of a foreign product, you have to
buy from that Australian vendor. You can't go
around them directly to the manufacturer. I don't
mind that. Yeah. As long as the australian
vendor can provide you with... Yeah. Have I
ever told you the story of,
Aqua terra and how they started. Who's aqua?
Aqua terra is gun runners in the country.
There's really 2. There's Na and there's Aqua
terra. So they're the biggest companies that import
military equipment. Right? So, like guns and stuff
like that.
Aqua terra, now this is tenth hand. The
guy that owned that was had a little
sale repair shop in Lo. And you could
stop in, get your sales repaired and away
you go. So 1 day, this guy comes
in, getting your sales repaired. And while he's
waiting for his sales to be repaired. He's
like, hey, What's that on the wall. And
he goes, oh, that's called a mustang survival
suit. Yeah. What is it? He as well.
It's a fucking, like, dry suit. That is
designed to survive in arctic temperatures with. They're
crazy expensive. They're like 10000 dollars each I've
got that 1. I'm aware of it because
I'm, you know, into it, and I know
the guys at Mustang who have made that
thing, and I've got this 1 here. So
this gentleman
says, oh, that's interesting. I'll take it. So
while he's sitting there getting his sales repaired,
he buys it. Was Tony Bo. And so
when he caps in Antarctica,
the rules around the rescue in Antarctica, If
you're in the water for more than 24
hours you're dead. Alright? Like, there's no way
you're surviving. So when the navy got there
6 days later,
to rescue him. They're expecting to find his
frozen fucking corpse and what they find is
him, alive in his mustang survival suit. So
the navy decide we have to figure out
everybody in these mustang well. They call mustang
and say, hey, we need 50000
of these
suits to fit out on all the ships,
and they, no, we've got an australian distributor.
You have to talk to him.
He's guy made a phone call. Yep. Ed
fog bought these suits at in Navy. Now
that could be a butcher story. Right? Like,
that's tenth hand Heard that story. But that's
how you got into the business of selling
stuff in this military because he's like, you
guys want anything else. It's this doesn't fucking
done of money of me.
Anyway, alright. We guess should go train of
dogs. Yeah. I like the plan and hopefully,
somebody will tinker around this inside the head.
Yeah. Maybe value in it or not or
not, but I'm ready. It certainly looks that
way. Need just probably another 6 months to
finish online course that I'm doing then I
can change to this. I really would like
to get that body of work done. Yeah.
But after that, I can change to this
if you'd be. Alright. Hey? That's it. For
another episode. Can Paradigm. Yeah. You did. Made
it to the end. We did. Good for
you. Yeah. You listened all the way through.
Yeah. I just wanna give a big shout
out for the episode we did last week.
Oh, yeah. I know that it was a
little bit convoluted and it went all around
the world and then came back a couple
of times. A bit like this 1. A
bit like this 1. It frustrated a few
people. I know that, but it also
gave me the scope to have some very
interesting conversations of people. As I said to
you, and I alluded to you in a
message.
It's give me the most reach to people
that don't feel confident in talking about this.
Mh. It was like therapy for me to
be honest, dumping that off my chest,
made me feel like I've just gotten rid
of a a burden that I've been carrying
around for a long time. Mh. And having
those humbling conversations with people. Thank you very
much by the way, for trusting me with
that confidence as well. Hopefully, you too will
be able to escape some of the prejudice
that you're feeling
I'm talking both vaccinated un vaccinated people who
were talking about the Covid thing in itself.
Not only that, but also not bought into,
but under stands my concerns and the long
reaching effect of what I think is a
greater problem with pharmaceutical companies meddling into
field. Mh. Some people said they found it
frustrating. Some people didn't understand the concept of
it, but also a majority of people said,
it's very plausible when you play it out.
And when you think deeply into it. And
I said, unfortunately,
that's where my mind went, and that's where
I spend a lot of the time doing
it. But anyway, I'm not gonna rehash the
whole
episode if you wanna go back and listen
to it. I know we never really
concluded anything of it because there is nothing
that I can conclude on it. It's only
a
suspicion. As I've alluded to before, I'm a
suspicious motherfucker.
I've been made that type of person from
interactions with my step father upward. It shaped
me into this person. I've become suspicious of
people, and then I'd become suspicious of things
in the industry and things in my life.
And it's not that I'm constantly waiting for
people to disappoint me. It's just that it
has given me a sense of I need
to see how things play out. Mh. I
need to look beyond the storefront or the
racket that's being presented to me. I think
in life, a lot of times what people
do is they play out a racket to
you. And then behind the storefront is the
real dealings of what's going on behind. So
in the back room, that's where the honesty
lies. And that's where I try and look
into in people that I deal with in
our businesses that I'm dealing with and so
forth is what's happening in that back room?
Mh. What's that back room discussion
forgive me if immediately, I push you away
sometimes, that's a sort of person I am.
I give a little bit of pushback because
I wanna know that I'm dealing with a
real person and not just somebody who's trying
to pitch something To or get something from
me. I need to know... Do I have
a friend here? Or is this a business
dealing? Because when I let my guard down
and I realized,
I thought you're my friend and this was
just a business dealing. It's fucking hurt me
to no end. Mh. That's my problem.
But that's what shaped me into that suspicious
person I'm talking about. I'm also
afraid for our industry genuinely afraid for our
industry when I think there's a higher power
playing with this like where, mh battery hen,
bread toe lay eggs for them. You know
what it would solve that problem? What's that?
My project to. Yeah. I agree. I agree.
I'm in agreeing with that. That's why I'm
interested in it, and I think it was
timely, and I think it was the right
time to talk about it because I really
feel that this would address a lot of
our problems and a lot of the meddling
that's going on and would also expose them
along the way.
Without us having to do it that they
would expose themselves and that's it for another
conspiracy.
That's it for episode Paradigm. Yep. As always,
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That imagine thing. If we get this facility,
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it'd be tapestry whatever. Everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. That'll
be how we get accused the corruption.
Right. How much money to just spend on
paradigm da trees.
You make 8 dollars off of each 1.
Fucking hell you've made
16 dollars
corruption.
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We're engaged. We're having nice conversations. Nobody's tear
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Math,
So we've got 10000 listeners in here, all
you have to do is crowd fund us
with 5000 dollars each. It's done. Yeah.
Okay.
There might be might be a bit of
a rate Yeah might be too tall and
ask of everybody that's listening? Yep. Robert Group.
Where are you on this?
But you never know. You never. You never
know. Alright. Love you. Bye. Bye.