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Now, here are your hosts, Glen Cook and

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Pat Stewart. And I'm lofty Fulton. And I'm

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out of here. I need to tell some.

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Oh, god. What is it? Some time ago,

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we did an add episode where we talked

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about how we were going to get better

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with our ass.

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Wondering

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shit

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We're gonna get better and we just

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We so shit

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Alright. Well, here they are? We got 5

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sponsors currently. Alright. Who are they? First is

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the Og? The ai winner. All that. Knob

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the. Yep. Now. He's the o. Be with

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he's star He's good. He's gonna sell you

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whatever you need. Yep. You'll get it. What

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you should do is contact Jason from Minds

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Don't quit. Mh. With some peculiar product, telling

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him me want it and make him get

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it in salt to you. Even if you

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could buy it somewhere else, Just make sure

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he gets it in for you. Just make

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that bastard work.

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But in all, honesty, I'd say 90 percent

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of my shit comes from him, and it's

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all the best stuff. I did see some

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feedback on our forum where somebody was really

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intrigued about your handler package. So mother he

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got from Jason. Obviously, it worked. Yeah. People

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are paying attention to the daily great. Even

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though we're shoot at this, We do a

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terrible job of actually trying to keep things

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updated. It great to see that the people

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who are investing in our show are actually

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getting some leeway. Yep. Might I've heard that

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your wife sell some Can products. My wife

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is doing great guns at the moment. I

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said before that she's being supported terrific in

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the United States which has been good, but

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I will swing that back home and say

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that so many more people in Australia are

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doing it, and it's great to see, like,

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there are people

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finally in the sporting dog world who are

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starting to prioritize

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nutrition for the dogs. And I know and

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I can see them when Na comes and

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says, oh, I guess who bought some product

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off me for the first time. So are

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you saying there's no patient confidentiality? No. You're

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a confidentiality. Oh, sorry. It's list confidentiality. What's

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a automating list. You... Are you aware my

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dog is taking pee

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collagen and... What is everything takes?

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Anton. Yeah. Yeah. It's been on that.

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Is not Nor l's business, but I've gotta

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do a shout out for. Are absolutely fan

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fantastic. The very supportive of our show. Mh.

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Whenever we've done seminars and so forth, they

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have been first to dip their hand in

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their pocket. They are very generous with their

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product.

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But let me just say all that aside,

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their generosity and their advertising and marketing. Let

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me just say on the other side of

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that their product is amazing. Yeah. Like it

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does work. It's very official. For sure. It's

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1 of those things where they say anton

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for every dog every day. I totally agree

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with that. Nor has even supported that when

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people have asked them about her product, she

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says, the 2 things that I would absolutely

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give to you is Anton and her gut

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protect formula. Yeah. Gut protect is like her

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holy grail. Of of a whole of the

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range. This is not me market talking. Okay?

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Because we are an mad. This is this

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is an ad, but this is not made

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to a market. But we've already pointed out

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we're she at. I know. Of all the

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things that she sells and she sells some

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killer product, But the 1 thing that she

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does sell, which I absolutely agree with her

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every dog should have this product is the

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gut protect. Really? A hundred percent. It's nothing

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that they need for being sick. It's something

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that they need to do just to maintain

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great gut balance. Okay. And gut balances like

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mental health That's 1 of those things that

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you absolutely wanna get control around. So products

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like anton, Great every day. Gut protect, great

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for every day. There's other products that aren't

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even related to hers called things like call

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rose vital and stuff like that. Absolutely fantastic

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for dogs to be on every sort day.

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Mh. But I know there's other people we

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need to talk about. If you wanna learn

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more about Nor products, go to a website,

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canine

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dot com, I think it's.

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I think it's till you'll figure it out.

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It's dot dot au you. It's 1 of

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the. No touch session anyway. Everyone just Google's

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it and just Google it. You'll find it.

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Hey. Yeah. George. Alright, wish she get him

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on the show. We should have George On

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the show. Not only is he devilish handsome.

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Yep. But he's got a fantastic

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1 of a kind product that I've never

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seen replicated anywhere in the world. You or

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me, we're getting a car ride by him.

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We got to the prototype first hand. And

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then he's bike got stolen with the prototype

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box. Over that? Yes. Yeah. But anyway, George

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has Rowdy had dog box. So it's a

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crate that goes on the vacuum motorbike. That

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you don't can go over with you. Yeah

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it's cool shit. It's a great idea. You

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should totally get 1. Taylor canine in Canada.

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Yeah. Do you know that Taylor? From Tele

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is hosting Jazz W later in the year?

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I do know that. Yeah. So I saw

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the ad. Very good. Yep. So only she

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doing great stuff with her

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Tailored canine. Her training business, training business, but

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she's also getting a fantastic trainer over there

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to help with her tailored training. Cheers. And

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finally, mh. Barber Groot. The sugar mama from

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the heart dog trainer heart dog trainer. Fucking

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throws cash at just supports the show God

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bless. Yeah. I think later on the year

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when And I are over doing a seminar

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with Melanie Ben. Barbara D group is coming

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over.

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I think she has put down a a

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like, and I said you better come sugar

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mama and she gave me a thumbs up.

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So hopefully, she's gonna be there, and I

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can give her some love to repay us

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for all the kindness and support that she's

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thrown At and asked nothing in return. Alright.

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That's our ad. Yeah. That one's good to

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go for at least another 4 years. We'll

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hear from us then.

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Welcome back to the Can Paradigm. Your host,

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Pat stewart. I'm joined in studio today by

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my c. Glen? Hello, sir, and hello, everybody

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out there in Internet land. How are you?

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I'm good. Well, we've got a topic. We

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have. Couple of days ago. Mh. It was

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a couple of days ago yesterday. Yesterday. We

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was.

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Before we put this podcast out. Yeah. Not

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for people listening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

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we were live with Bill Church, bow our

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bill he asked us to come on, took

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some scheduling, but we figured out a time,

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and we did it. And the 3 of

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us 3 guys at microphones talked over each

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other for 3 hours.

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We didn't do too bad. Yeah. We did

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it considering. We did alright. I remember many

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years ago.

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Brent Dry actually reached out to me and

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he said, hey, Dude. There's times where other

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people are talking and you just like cut

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them off. That resonated with me, like, Anytime

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Brent speaks to me. I know Brent speaking

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to me from the heart. That's just who

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he is with people. I never took it

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offensive. I took it constructively. And I thought,

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yeah. I don't wanna do that to people,

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and I don't wanna be that guy. Mh.

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Now when people are talking, I spend more

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time listening to what they have to say.

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there are conversations that I'm involved in where

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people are sharing really interesting information. Mh And

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rather than

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listening with the intent to reply, which I

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find a lot of people do. They have

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this which is neutral. It is, And they

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have this urgency to just speak over the

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top of you. When that's happening, you're not

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really invested in the conversation. You're invested in

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what you have to say. Mh, That hit

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home. I thought about that, and I considered

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that. So when you made the comment the

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other day, it's 3 guys gonna talk over

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each other on microphone. I thought, let's not

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do that. If somebody talking, they're having a

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good runner at, and if the topic is

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interesting,

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let that person have their run and talk

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about what they're talking about and listen to

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what they've gotta say because you might learn

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something, and it might be relevant to your

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partition in the conversation as well. Speaking of

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people having their run of talking. Yep. You

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in probably the middle portion of that. Yeah

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people wanted to go back and listen. Started

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talking about the effect of pharmaceutical companies on

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the dog world.

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on before because we've talked about the over

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prescription of I's to dogs. Yep. We've talked

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about how famously, there's some veterinary behavior that

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we're aware of that have based written the

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prescription before you even sit down. Mh. It

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certainly is a bug bear of many dog

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trainers

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because clearly it's outside of our wheelhouse. So

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is when you turn up to someone's house

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and they tell you the dogs on med,

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dog needs meds. It's a tricky answer because

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just, like, I'm not an expert in this

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stuff. And I can say, well, I think

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that this is a behavioral issue. And I

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think that... We can fix this. Like the

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anxiety that is being caused here that we're

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treating with meds has actually caused by if

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got this dollar a lot of options. You're

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inconsistent in the way that you show things.

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inconsistent things, so the dog doesn't know where

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to find its advantage and therefore frantic over

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that. And so a lot of the times,

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I've found myself saying to people well, if

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this were my dog,

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I would never have occurred to me to

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even begin with meds. But I can't tell

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you not to take these meds, and even

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the path to going off these meds. That's

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a whole thing You can't just cut these

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door law. Right? And so these are the

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sorts of things that

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outside of my wheelhouse, whereas the training of

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it, plenty of times in my life. People

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have said my dogs on meds at because

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of this if issue. And I am I'm

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faced with the position where I say, well,

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I've tried that same issue, plenty of times

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with the out use of meds. And similarly,

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like, I'm about to do the same thing

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with your dog. But now we're in a

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position where we go. Well, the meds knocked

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the edge off it, and you were able

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to train it. Isn't an easy answer Yeah.

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And the problem is I think as well,

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those

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situations absolutely do exist. And I think probably

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only 3 times, I can remember saying to

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owner of a dog, like, hey, I'm out

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of my debts. Like, this isn't working. The

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way that I think it should work. 1

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time that really sticks in my mind you

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know, like I can remember the smell in

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the room, You know, was like, a very

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strong memory of me looking at this kelp

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that was just a fucking mess.

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And every trick that I had about trying

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to get into this dog's head was not

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working. Mh and I saying the owner, hey,

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this isn't a dog trainer issue. This is

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a veterinary and

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behavioral issue. You've gotta go see someone, which

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is a responsible thing to do. Yeah. And

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so I've only done that a few times.

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I think I can only remember doing if

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3 times. That's not to say Haven't done

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it more times. But 1 in 1 in

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particular, where I was like, oh, I don't

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know what the fuck is happening here. I'm

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out of my dad and it wasn't early

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in my career that like, it was at

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a time where I really was effectively training

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many dogs and this 1 was beyond me.

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We've had a history of talking about meds

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on the show, and the influence that they

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have on dogs and for sure that we

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believe that... And I think most dog trainers

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sort of to an extent degree that there's

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an over prescription of meds.

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You had sort of an interesting take on

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that that you brought up during Bill show.

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Before we get into this, I just wanna

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side step into another story. Where I feel

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now it's a safe enough time to discuss

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it without the backlash that I would have

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got years ago. Who did?

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I never got vaccinated during the entire Covid

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process. U. I have told people. I've told

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groups of colleagues and friends. It cost me

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some friendships.

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Because of most of our listeners outside of

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Australia. Yep. It's worth pointing out the vaccination

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rate in Australia was in the 90 percent.

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Yeah. I was here because we'll forced to.

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Yep. Even though they said it's at your

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choice. Yeah. But you would lose your job,

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you couldn't go anywhere. Yep. Allowed a fly.

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Weren't allowed of travel. Weren't allowed to have

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the freedoms of a human being. Yeah. And

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the stores that you could go into was

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even limited. Right? So, like, you could go

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into, as supermarket. I'm not or coffee shops

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so, but not even like Jb Hi. Like

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to get into, like, an electronic store, like

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a special store. They're like, no You don't

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need to be in here. Yeah. You buy

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your food un fascinated, but you can't fucking

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enter. Was that the case? Or was it

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even that you can go into the supermarket.

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No. You can go to the supermarket. Yeah.

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Okay. What a wild time to live through?

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I know We've said this a myriad of

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times, but what a wild time to live

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through where

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I never imagined that I would see something

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like that in my life. I thought I'd

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see a significant war and we have seen

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wars. You've been in wars,

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But I thought I'd say and still possibly

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will, see a significant war front, but never

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a biological

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threat. Mh. Where we would be forcibly

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held captive in our homes and then told

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it was for our benefits, and then having

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all local governments

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around the world, then following

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a same narrative everywhere they were going. Mh.

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It was just incredible to watch them literally

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fashion,

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saying the same thing over and over again.

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And for me, and many of my family

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and some of my colleagues. We all felt

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the same way. Like, I just thought to

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myself, something's not right here. I don't feel

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good about this. I slowly revealed to other

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people outside that circle. I'm not getting get

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vaccinated. I'm not gonna have it done. And

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some people were starting to hit me with

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the... Oh, you're an

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You're a conspiracy theorist, all the insults that

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they were trading, and they were coming fast

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and furious from a few people. And I

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was overwhelmed with the fact that people that

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I've known for many, many years

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were sa me about that and saying, well,

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I don't want you killing my children or

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my grandparents.

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I said to them, I've had Covid, and

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I lived. My doctor even said to me,

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he was forcibly trying to vaccinate me. I

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went there. He was... Putting pressure on me

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left right and Sarah said, you better get

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this done or else you may join the

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list of fatalities. And I said would you

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put your house on that comment? And he

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goes, what do you mean? I said, in

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3 years time, when not all this is

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over when they're saying it's gonna be over.

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And I said, because the governments are indicating

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that it's gonna be over in 20 23.

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And I don't know how they know that,

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but they're all saying at Alan Joyce from

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Qantas was saying it. That's an interesting thing

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that Alan Joyce who's subsequently been fired, but,

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or had to leave Qantas because he did

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such a fucking terrible job. Yep. He said

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right when they shut down the airlines, that

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that would be shut internationally until 20 23.

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Right. In the comment on air. Yeah. They

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were all saying Daniel Andrews was saying that

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he goes, Gonna lock you up till 20

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23 so that they had this number in

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mind, which made me think

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how do they know this? Mh right back

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then in 20 20 Do they know this?

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How do they know that 20 23 is

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the magic number where Covid just gonna disappear?

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How do they know this? How For me,

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I'm not an in any way shape or

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form. I've had so many fucking vaccinations. I've

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got scars from vaccines that I've had from

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a kid. I regularly get fitness vaccines. I'm

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not an.

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I don't even subscribe to that. And I

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didn't try and stop people from getting the

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vaccine. It I said to them, I've got

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reservations. I don't feel right there's something resonating

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deep within my soul that this isn't right.

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I just don't trust this system, and I

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don't really trust what's going on here. So

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I decided that I wasn't gonna do it,

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and I was going to suffer the negative

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punishment that they were putting down on us.

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Like all... Things that we talk about as

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dog trainers. As and I'm revealing something which

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is quite a depth of vulnerability here. And

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there still might be people that hear this

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now. I might be angry with me in

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thinking you're tricks is for not doing this

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then. You're a disease rat. Yeah.

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But I've had Covid. Right? And that's what

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I said to my doctor. I? I had

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Covid. I've had it twice.

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So I've had 2 significant forms of Covid.

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I had Alpha Covid and I had omni

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Covid. So I've had some pretty heavy bout

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with Covid and never died. I got sick.

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I didn't like it, and it's not that

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I don't believe in Covid. I fully believe

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in Covid. I always believed in Covid. I

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believed it was real thing. I never believed

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it started in a wet market in Wuhan.

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Mh. I'd never believed that at all. I

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believe that it was man made construct in

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the lab, but that's my theory.

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Don't want this to become the Covid show

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because I'm quite frankly I'm sick fucking tired

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talking about it. What I'm talking about is

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my concern with the power

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that was

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misused against us. And the control mechanisms that

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were put inside and how it's changed us

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as a society. Like, I can see

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significant change in the way that people interact

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with each other, the mistrust that people have

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with each other since Covid. It's forged a

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new

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society. What we were before Covid is not

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what we are on the other side of

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it. A good example of that, Ia is

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completely different Mh from what it was pre

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Covid to what it is post Covid. Even

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traveling around the world doesn't seem the same

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anymore. It doesn't seem like the joyous thing

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it used to be. Like, there were so

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many different things. I'm not saying it's the

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Folder or anything. I'm just saying this is

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a result of... There was massive change to

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all sorts of every structure that I am

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going back to normal. That's right. It never

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really

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reset properly. And we're we're all enjoying the

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freedoms and people might say, well, that's because

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everyone got vaccinated you fall. But now, I've

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got friends who have I've got genuine injury

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from vaccines. Mh. I've got people and family,

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my chiropractor, and so forth who have I've

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got vaccine related injury.

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And most of them will say, that's not

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true that's just something that they had beforehand,

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but now Astra

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has come forward and saying, yeah, well, it's

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true that people will possibly get blood clots.

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Mh. Now they're owning up to it. Now

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it's starting to come out of the wood

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work. Now imagine that. Imagine the fucking horror

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of that,

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of trusting the people who are pushing you

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and using negative punishment against you and betray

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you and forcing you to get it and

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saying they're safe they're safe safe, all your

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government leaders. They're safe. They're safe. They're safe.

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Fucking puppets with a hand up their ass.

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Mh. Telling you they're safe. Now they're saying,

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oh,

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Sorry. You've got the vaccine that causes some

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issues, but it's a very small chance of

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that happening. How do you know whether you're

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the fucking unlucky rule that number that comes

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up in that. Mh.

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Anyway, I decided not to do it. Many

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of my family decided not to do it.

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What I was very fortunate about was that

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I was in a good group of people

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who decided not to do it, you know,

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like, if everybody else wants to do this.

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And as I said, when I opened up

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in this whole conversation, I didn't say it

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to people either way. I didn't say you

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should get vaccinated or you shouldn't get vaccinated.

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I just said, it's your body. It's your

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temple. You decide what's best for you. And

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I knew people that said, I wanna go

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overseas or I wanna see my parents or

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anything like that. So I'm gonna go and

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get the vaccine. Now does said do it

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makes you feel right. And then they would

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say, doesn't that make you feel like you

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should do it. And I said there is

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a side of me that thinks. This is

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a fast track to getting the things I

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want, and I said, but I also know

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how negative punishment works as well. I'm confused.

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At the world narrative that you don't have

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to get this, but, yes, you really do.

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Because we'll take everything away from you if

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you don't. So I said... It's an ultimate

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game of punishment. So now I get into

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the original topic now that we've gotten away

517
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from that whole discussion, and I've really been

518
00:18:09,091 --> 00:18:12,524
looking at the incredible change that's happened in

519
00:18:12,524 --> 00:18:15,547
my dog training experience and how we've suddenly

520
00:18:15,547 --> 00:18:16,604
got into this narrative

521
00:18:17,232 --> 00:18:19,800
where we've become the enemy. In the lens

522
00:18:19,857 --> 00:18:21,846
of many of these people around the world.

523
00:18:22,323 --> 00:18:24,311
The balance trainers is, the people who are

524
00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:26,880
continuing and holding the hard line that we

525
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,679
wanna use tools. We're becoming an enemy in

526
00:18:29,679 --> 00:18:30,559
the public arena.

527
00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,480
And that's confusing to me.

528
00:18:33,132 --> 00:18:34,959
Because when I look at it as where

529
00:18:34,959 --> 00:18:37,182
the savior is. Mh. We're good people where

530
00:18:37,182 --> 00:18:40,200
people who really deeply care about the well

531
00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:40,700
being

532
00:18:41,089 --> 00:18:43,561
and the livelihood of many of the dogs

533
00:18:43,561 --> 00:18:46,032
that we're working with. And I think about

534
00:18:46,032 --> 00:18:48,026
the aches and pains of my body, like

535
00:18:48,026 --> 00:18:49,914
the genuine aches and pains that I have

536
00:18:50,115 --> 00:18:51,475
in my hands and my arms,

537
00:18:52,035 --> 00:18:54,275
my shoulders, everything like that. For all the

538
00:18:54,275 --> 00:18:56,755
dogs that I've been managing handling working with

539
00:18:56,755 --> 00:18:59,324
the clients that I've been sweating over the

540
00:18:59,324 --> 00:19:01,155
genuine tears that I've shared for them and

541
00:19:01,155 --> 00:19:03,863
their dogs like genuinely, crying over other people's

542
00:19:03,863 --> 00:19:06,570
dogs because I'm fucking so frustrated about the

543
00:19:06,570 --> 00:19:07,859
shit they've had to go through whether it

544
00:19:07,859 --> 00:19:10,804
is. Dog training can be so rich and

545
00:19:10,804 --> 00:19:13,453
so rewarding, yet it can be so psychologically

546
00:19:13,988 --> 00:19:16,230
bending at times, where it can either break

547
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:17,820
you or can bend you so hard, you

548
00:19:17,820 --> 00:19:19,728
can see the splinter forming in your yourself.

549
00:19:19,886 --> 00:19:21,317
I think the whole animal industry is like

550
00:19:21,317 --> 00:19:23,263
that. Rather, Why Shut high

551
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,711
suicide rates amongst vets. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

552
00:19:26,348 --> 00:19:29,056
That whole concept, it's super frustrating to me

553
00:19:29,056 --> 00:19:31,740
that when you perceive that what you've done

554
00:19:31,859 --> 00:19:34,084
in your life's work or even a large

555
00:19:34,084 --> 00:19:36,151
part of your life when you're dedicating that

556
00:19:36,151 --> 00:19:39,569
time to them, why then are government's turning

557
00:19:39,569 --> 00:19:42,212
against us. And they are, because they're making

558
00:19:42,212 --> 00:19:44,208
up laws to take tools away from people

559
00:19:44,208 --> 00:19:45,267
and literally,

560
00:19:45,964 --> 00:19:48,678
that's a admission that we're bad people? Because

561
00:19:48,678 --> 00:19:50,036
why would you wanna use at tool that

562
00:19:50,036 --> 00:19:51,965
we wanna and we think is horrible in

563
00:19:51,965 --> 00:19:54,518
cruel with no real research put into it.

564
00:19:54,916 --> 00:19:56,852
It's just the vin indication of

565
00:19:57,229 --> 00:19:59,941
the popular percentage. It just doesn't make sense

566
00:19:59,941 --> 00:20:02,588
to me. So then I started really looking

567
00:20:02,588 --> 00:20:04,104
at it. And as I was talking to

568
00:20:04,104 --> 00:20:06,576
you when we're outside before before we switch

569
00:20:06,576 --> 00:20:08,730
the mic on, there's 2 quotes that I

570
00:20:08,730 --> 00:20:11,375
often think about all the time. These resonate

571
00:20:11,375 --> 00:20:13,443
in my head quite regularly, and it did

572
00:20:13,443 --> 00:20:15,272
with Covid, it came up a lot of

573
00:20:15,272 --> 00:20:17,204
the times during Covid, and it's also

574
00:20:17,738 --> 00:20:18,692
in business as well.

575
00:20:19,343 --> 00:20:21,809
That is. If you really wanna know who

576
00:20:21,809 --> 00:20:24,115
owns you, find out who you can't criticize.

577
00:20:24,353 --> 00:20:26,103
Mh. You don't have to go too far

578
00:20:26,103 --> 00:20:28,267
up the chain to work out what happens

579
00:20:28,267 --> 00:20:30,738
when you criticize certain people because things can

580
00:20:30,738 --> 00:20:32,412
happen to you. You can lose your job,

581
00:20:32,811 --> 00:20:35,362
you can lose your house, you can sometimes

582
00:20:35,362 --> 00:20:37,530
lose your life. Depending on what country you

583
00:20:37,530 --> 00:20:39,842
are, where you are. People do have control

584
00:20:39,842 --> 00:20:42,713
over you. The other quote was if you

585
00:20:42,713 --> 00:20:44,707
wanna know where something's is going, follow the

586
00:20:44,707 --> 00:20:47,739
money trail. The remarkable thing is I keep

587
00:20:47,739 --> 00:20:48,532
thinking about.

588
00:20:49,325 --> 00:20:50,222
How come

589
00:20:50,753 --> 00:20:53,708
these people are so adamant about it. Is

590
00:20:53,708 --> 00:20:56,095
it because they've been conditioned and trained to

591
00:20:56,095 --> 00:20:58,106
do it? Or is it because

592
00:20:58,641 --> 00:21:01,528
there is an for this group of people

593
00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:04,156
that they basically think to themselves. I own

594
00:21:04,156 --> 00:21:07,272
this massive company now. I'm the Ceo or

595
00:21:07,272 --> 00:21:09,763
I'm a shareholder or whatever I am in

596
00:21:09,763 --> 00:21:12,810
a position of authority or movement or responsibility

597
00:21:12,867 --> 00:21:15,596
within an an organization. So just a step

598
00:21:15,733 --> 00:21:17,896
slightly to the right of that you and

599
00:21:17,976 --> 00:21:20,836
I are both business owners. Well Nor mattel

600
00:21:20,836 --> 00:21:22,266
a business owner. I work for a business.

601
00:21:22,504 --> 00:21:25,443
You know, It's my job to generate income

602
00:21:25,443 --> 00:21:27,775
and service clients for a company and that's

603
00:21:27,775 --> 00:21:29,214
what I've been doing for many years. You're

604
00:21:29,214 --> 00:21:31,934
on your own mh. Business person. You've got

605
00:21:31,934 --> 00:21:33,054
your business your courses.

606
00:21:33,535 --> 00:21:36,503
You tell me As a business owner, really,

607
00:21:36,663 --> 00:21:38,337
what is the ultimate goal of your business?

608
00:21:38,815 --> 00:21:40,968
Wow, mine is kinda different because I have

609
00:21:40,968 --> 00:21:42,961
weird issues with money, but you've still would

610
00:21:42,961 --> 00:21:45,048
to survive right. Yeah. Like the business has

611
00:21:45,048 --> 00:21:47,678
to be profitable. Right. So ultimately, and I'm

612
00:21:47,678 --> 00:21:49,989
not trying to trap you into. Ring with

613
00:21:49,989 --> 00:21:52,060
me. It's common. Mh. When I think about

614
00:21:52,220 --> 00:21:52,936
Nor company,

615
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:55,986
She's doing everything that I know of as

616
00:21:55,986 --> 00:21:58,384
ethical as she possibly can be. She's being

617
00:21:58,384 --> 00:22:01,520
as transparent as she possibly can be with

618
00:22:01,580 --> 00:22:04,967
everybody. Apart from telling everybody exactly what her

619
00:22:05,265 --> 00:22:07,737
ratios are, because that's that's proprietary. That's proprietary.

620
00:22:07,976 --> 00:22:09,731
Right? That's not that she doesn't want people

621
00:22:09,731 --> 00:22:11,725
not. She's telling people exactly what's in it.

622
00:22:12,059 --> 00:22:13,654
Just not how to blend it and and

623
00:22:13,654 --> 00:22:16,047
do it. What she's doing is basically saying,

624
00:22:16,206 --> 00:22:17,881
hey, Here's everything that's in in the product.

625
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,593
Here's white papers of science that support what

626
00:22:20,673 --> 00:22:22,684
I'm saying to you. I mentioned that when

627
00:22:22,684 --> 00:22:24,045
we were in the interview with Bill as

628
00:22:24,045 --> 00:22:26,205
well. Like, it's not me once again just

629
00:22:26,205 --> 00:22:27,485
trying to do a marketing thing from Nor

630
00:22:27,485 --> 00:22:29,085
morale because I'm looking at it from an

631
00:22:29,085 --> 00:22:31,164
ethical standpoint and what she's trying to do.

632
00:22:31,659 --> 00:22:33,573
The only people that she really has to

633
00:22:33,573 --> 00:22:35,806
suffice in this is mainly herself and me.

634
00:22:36,125 --> 00:22:37,662
So we need to look at it from

635
00:22:37,721 --> 00:22:38,221
a

636
00:22:38,678 --> 00:22:40,193
point as well. There's no point in doing

637
00:22:40,193 --> 00:22:42,202
this, a if the product shit and you're

638
00:22:42,202 --> 00:22:44,752
hurting animals or hurting whoever you're trying to

639
00:22:44,752 --> 00:22:46,984
look after or be if you're losing money.

640
00:22:47,382 --> 00:22:49,375
So if you're looking at designing a company,

641
00:22:49,709 --> 00:22:51,224
And the reason why most companies go out

642
00:22:51,224 --> 00:22:53,059
of business within the first 5 years is

643
00:22:53,059 --> 00:22:55,771
because people aren't thoughtful enough about it. They

644
00:22:55,771 --> 00:22:57,127
just think I just wanna start a business.

645
00:22:57,605 --> 00:22:59,494
I'm gonna get out there and I'm gonna

646
00:22:59,614 --> 00:23:00,973
get a website. And I'm gonna do all

647
00:23:00,973 --> 00:23:03,210
these fancy things, and then they throw a

648
00:23:03,210 --> 00:23:04,888
whole bunch of cash behind it, and it

649
00:23:04,888 --> 00:23:07,779
might be an absolutely brilliant idea. It might

650
00:23:07,779 --> 00:23:09,937
not have been marketed well. Or it might

651
00:23:09,937 --> 00:23:11,775
be that they just can't raise the capital

652
00:23:11,775 --> 00:23:13,133
that they need in the time that they

653
00:23:13,133 --> 00:23:15,451
need it. So I've known people that they

654
00:23:15,451 --> 00:23:17,700
were literally going to be the next great

655
00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:19,528
thing in whatever industry they were gonna be

656
00:23:19,528 --> 00:23:21,039
in. But they just couldn't raise the capital

657
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:23,266
in time. They literally ran themselves out of

658
00:23:23,266 --> 00:23:25,429
money and that's why it fell apart. It

659
00:23:25,429 --> 00:23:27,029
wasn't that that the product was no good.

660
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:28,549
It was just that the timing was... Yeah.

661
00:23:29,269 --> 00:23:30,950
Usually fell apart a cash flow problem. It's

662
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:32,470
a cash flow problem. That's exactly right.

663
00:23:33,203 --> 00:23:35,776
Let's look at this from a broad scale

664
00:23:35,993 --> 00:23:38,864
where we're not talking thousands of dollars or

665
00:23:38,864 --> 00:23:41,096
hundreds of thousands of dollars or even low

666
00:23:41,096 --> 00:23:43,737
millions of dollar. But we're talking about multiples

667
00:23:43,737 --> 00:23:45,804
of billions, even trillions of dollars.

668
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,222
The idea is still exactly the same.

669
00:23:50,031 --> 00:23:51,167
Except on a mask

670
00:23:52,017 --> 00:23:55,195
where you've got a appeal to private equity

671
00:23:55,195 --> 00:23:56,943
who are funding you or you've got appeal

672
00:23:56,943 --> 00:23:57,760
to shareholders,

673
00:23:58,309 --> 00:24:01,185
or God forbid who knows who? Mh. But

674
00:24:01,185 --> 00:24:02,943
those people are still driving you and saying,

675
00:24:03,262 --> 00:24:05,394
this year, and next year are pretty much

676
00:24:05,593 --> 00:24:06,093
parallel

677
00:24:06,548 --> 00:24:08,696
on a financial scale. What are you gonna

678
00:24:08,696 --> 00:24:11,002
do to drive up profits? Like, how are

679
00:24:11,002 --> 00:24:12,377
you going to make sure

680
00:24:12,768 --> 00:24:15,100
that the next financial year is showing

681
00:24:15,476 --> 00:24:17,070
between a 5 and a 12 percent gain

682
00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:18,822
in profit. Yeah. How are you gonna do

683
00:24:18,822 --> 00:24:20,256
that for me? Before you carry on, it's

684
00:24:20,256 --> 00:24:21,825
something that we have talked about on the

685
00:24:22,024 --> 00:24:24,177
show, but it's something I didn't really understand

686
00:24:24,177 --> 00:24:27,049
until relatively recently, and it's worth explaining is

687
00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:29,920
that once a company is public, like, you

688
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,429
can buy shares in it. Yep. It has

689
00:24:32,489 --> 00:24:32,989
to

690
00:24:33,367 --> 00:24:35,605
keep creating a profit. And not just a

691
00:24:35,605 --> 00:24:38,241
profit, more profit every quarter than a 1

692
00:24:38,241 --> 00:24:38,401
before.

693
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:40,883
Otherwise, why would you buy shares in that

694
00:24:40,883 --> 00:24:42,706
company? Like, why would you put money into

695
00:24:42,706 --> 00:24:45,322
it? And then if they don't turn a

696
00:24:45,322 --> 00:24:47,637
profit and they do that, say multiple, quarters

697
00:24:47,637 --> 00:24:48,830
in a row. 2 quarter in a row.

698
00:24:48,989 --> 00:24:51,215
It's only 2 quarters. Yeah. Then what's gonna

699
00:24:51,215 --> 00:24:53,521
happen is people who hold those shares are

700
00:24:53,521 --> 00:24:56,897
gonna sell those shares and have fucking enormous

701
00:24:56,953 --> 00:24:59,892
company can fall apart in seconds. Mh. If

702
00:24:59,892 --> 00:25:01,877
that happens. And we spoke about this briefly

703
00:25:01,877 --> 00:25:03,069
on the show in the past that's why

704
00:25:03,069 --> 00:25:04,737
we sort of scramble to get a mailing

705
00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:06,687
list going because Facebook

706
00:25:07,145 --> 00:25:08,821
didn't turn a profit for a quarter. Mh.

707
00:25:08,981 --> 00:25:10,657
And not too many people were understood what

708
00:25:10,657 --> 00:25:12,493
a huge deal that was. Now it was

709
00:25:12,493 --> 00:25:14,144
because they over invested in the Ocular system

710
00:25:14,264 --> 00:25:16,103
like there was a reason and they justified

711
00:25:16,103 --> 00:25:18,500
it. But it's a big deal. Netflix, for

712
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:19,000
example

713
00:25:19,379 --> 00:25:21,537
didn't turn a profit, and they said that

714
00:25:21,537 --> 00:25:23,775
maybe everybody who's ever gonna get Netflix has

715
00:25:23,775 --> 00:25:26,568
gotten Netflix. And that nearly collapsed Netflix. Because

716
00:25:26,568 --> 00:25:28,313
then all the investors are like, well, why

717
00:25:28,313 --> 00:25:29,344
would I keep my money here? I'm gonna

718
00:25:29,344 --> 00:25:30,693
pull my money out as quickly as possible,

719
00:25:31,089 --> 00:25:33,173
and then all the shares suddenly worth nothing

720
00:25:33,173 --> 00:25:34,691
because everybody's selling them and the company can

721
00:25:34,691 --> 00:25:37,247
collapse. So like, that really can happen. It

722
00:25:37,247 --> 00:25:38,446
it took me a long time to understand

723
00:25:38,446 --> 00:25:40,294
that. It's only in the last 5 years

724
00:25:40,294 --> 00:25:41,113
that I've actually

725
00:25:41,647 --> 00:25:44,295
understood that a multi billion dollar company

726
00:25:44,671 --> 00:25:47,058
can fall apart in a day. If there's

727
00:25:47,058 --> 00:25:49,384
a run on selling the shares. And if

728
00:25:49,384 --> 00:25:50,822
everybody decides to getting out on the same

729
00:25:50,822 --> 00:25:53,059
day, it's far, The stock can tank and

730
00:25:53,059 --> 00:25:55,137
therefore the company can collapse very very quickly.

731
00:25:55,456 --> 00:25:57,075
If you ever wanna see how

732
00:25:57,389 --> 00:25:59,941
markets can be easily manipulated. There's 2 good

733
00:25:59,941 --> 00:26:01,616
movies that I recommend you have a look

734
00:26:01,616 --> 00:26:03,530
at One's called the big short. Mh. And

735
00:26:03,530 --> 00:26:05,444
the other 1, the recent 1 it was

736
00:26:05,444 --> 00:26:07,612
on Netflix. I can't remember the name, but

737
00:26:07,612 --> 00:26:10,316
it's about the company games in the United

738
00:26:10,555 --> 00:26:11,055
States

739
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:15,103
fascinating. Yeah. And absolutely discuss sting, the people

740
00:26:15,103 --> 00:26:17,171
behind the scenes who are literally trying to

741
00:26:17,171 --> 00:26:19,953
fuck everybody over, how they were trying to

742
00:26:19,953 --> 00:26:21,862
turn off the system, so they wouldn't go

743
00:26:21,862 --> 00:26:24,268
broke them cells because they were basically playing

744
00:26:24,268 --> 00:26:26,581
everybody. Yeah. They got caught and then a

745
00:26:26,581 --> 00:26:28,655
bunch of nerds managed to rally enough people

746
00:26:28,655 --> 00:26:30,649
together to turn the table. Isn't remarkable. Yeah.

747
00:26:30,888 --> 00:26:32,220
But that's the thing is

748
00:26:32,577 --> 00:26:34,799
I'm not talking about this in the fact

749
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:36,466
that there's no hope and you can't do

750
00:26:36,466 --> 00:26:38,950
anything about it because you look at people

751
00:26:39,323 --> 00:26:42,783
like, gandhi and other people around the world

752
00:26:42,841 --> 00:26:44,832
who have rallied enough people power, and they've

753
00:26:44,832 --> 00:26:47,858
changed history. Like, they've forcibly stopped people from

754
00:26:47,858 --> 00:26:49,809
being able to lead these

755
00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:52,750
industrial campaigns to fuck people over, that's primarily

756
00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:54,190
what I'm trying to say. To get back

757
00:26:54,190 --> 00:26:56,509
in the story, it got me thinking, they've

758
00:26:56,509 --> 00:26:57,890
gotta come up with

759
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,073
regeneration all the time. They've gotta think of

760
00:27:01,073 --> 00:27:03,862
new leads, new ways to market. An important

761
00:27:03,862 --> 00:27:06,747
point as a caveat on this, once again,

762
00:27:07,066 --> 00:27:09,481
as I mentioned before, and this is the

763
00:27:09,779 --> 00:27:12,034
circle back to the whole point about my

764
00:27:12,412 --> 00:27:12,970
vaccination story.

765
00:27:13,544 --> 00:27:14,602
I'm not anti

766
00:27:14,979 --> 00:27:17,371
vaccination, and I'm not anti medication, and I'm

767
00:27:17,371 --> 00:27:18,508
not anti pharmaceuticals.

768
00:27:19,364 --> 00:27:20,878
Some of the comments that people have to

769
00:27:20,878 --> 00:27:22,969
know both about Nor. And I. Even though

770
00:27:22,969 --> 00:27:26,325
the Na is highly involved in natural medicine,

771
00:27:26,485 --> 00:27:28,003
and it's a very vegan and dear part

772
00:27:28,003 --> 00:27:30,001
of her life. Neither 1 of us, if

773
00:27:30,001 --> 00:27:32,008
we need antibiotic like if we know that

774
00:27:32,008 --> 00:27:33,437
that's gonna be something that we have to

775
00:27:33,437 --> 00:27:35,582
do. We'll take antibiotics. Yeah. If I know

776
00:27:35,582 --> 00:27:37,489
that I need a certain type of medication

777
00:27:37,489 --> 00:27:39,157
and need to be on, I'll take the

778
00:27:39,157 --> 00:27:41,404
medication. Laurel will look at everything about it.

779
00:27:41,882 --> 00:27:44,674
Even when she's prescribing a remedy for a

780
00:27:44,674 --> 00:27:46,907
client, a dog or a person, she'll look

781
00:27:46,907 --> 00:27:48,104
into it to make sure it's not gonna

782
00:27:48,104 --> 00:27:48,923
be a contra

783
00:27:49,634 --> 00:27:52,126
based on the medication that they've got, and

784
00:27:52,263 --> 00:27:54,016
what she wants to make sure is what

785
00:27:54,016 --> 00:27:56,246
she's doing is complementary to what they're doing.

786
00:27:56,739 --> 00:27:58,733
And she never advises people get off this

787
00:27:58,733 --> 00:28:00,807
or just do this. She says, talk to

788
00:28:00,807 --> 00:28:03,519
your doctor. Mh. Make sure you're working with

789
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:05,912
your medical professional, make sure that you're following

790
00:28:05,912 --> 00:28:07,916
their advice make sure that you're not gonna

791
00:28:07,916 --> 00:28:09,585
hurt yourself, make sure that if you wanna

792
00:28:09,585 --> 00:28:11,413
come off something that it's done with the

793
00:28:11,413 --> 00:28:13,162
guidance of the person who puts you on

794
00:28:13,162 --> 00:28:13,956
it in the first place.

795
00:28:14,606 --> 00:28:16,747
In saying that, I need people to understand

796
00:28:16,747 --> 00:28:18,651
this is that I'm like you when you

797
00:28:18,651 --> 00:28:20,316
told your a first story about that kelp

798
00:28:20,316 --> 00:28:21,926
that you went around and saw

799
00:28:22,394 --> 00:28:23,989
and understood It was a mess, and there

800
00:28:23,989 --> 00:28:25,584
was little that you could actually do with

801
00:28:25,584 --> 00:28:28,056
it, and you recommended this is possibly a

802
00:28:28,056 --> 00:28:29,731
time that this dog needs to be on

803
00:28:29,731 --> 00:28:30,709
some form of

804
00:28:31,086 --> 00:28:31,166
medication.

805
00:28:31,898 --> 00:28:32,954
I heard doctor

806
00:28:33,328 --> 00:28:35,076
Michelle Ras talking about it a while ago...

807
00:28:35,473 --> 00:28:37,538
I've known Michelle prior to her being of.

808
00:28:37,856 --> 00:28:39,842
She was introduced to me through Brent Dry

809
00:28:39,921 --> 00:28:41,368
Cat. I think this was back in the

810
00:28:41,368 --> 00:28:43,595
days where I first met Rihanna. Right. When

811
00:28:43,595 --> 00:28:45,663
we were raising money to get a dog

812
00:28:45,663 --> 00:28:48,230
for Rihanna Son. Mh. That's how First met

813
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:49,589
ray. We were doing this sort of like,

814
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:51,429
this collaboration that Brent and Cat put together.

815
00:28:51,589 --> 00:28:53,509
And it was beautiful. Was a there's a

816
00:28:53,509 --> 00:28:55,910
lovely gathering of dog trainers, and it was

817
00:28:55,910 --> 00:28:58,638
a seminar. Group speakers. I think me, boyd,

818
00:28:59,117 --> 00:29:01,270
there was lots of people there. Yeah. I

819
00:29:01,270 --> 00:29:02,945
met Michelle back then. She was learning how

820
00:29:02,945 --> 00:29:04,301
to be a vet. I think she'd done

821
00:29:04,540 --> 00:29:05,816
Nd etf. If memory serves.

822
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:09,269
And more recently, I've been listening to her

823
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:11,670
talking on a couple of interviews that she

824
00:29:11,670 --> 00:29:13,210
did where she talks about

825
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:17,358
medications Ss rise as medicine. You know, it's

826
00:29:17,358 --> 00:29:20,248
medicine that some dogs need. Like most responsible

827
00:29:20,306 --> 00:29:20,624
people,

828
00:29:21,421 --> 00:29:24,305
she's not into the mindset that you need

829
00:29:24,305 --> 00:29:26,299
to over prescribe. Mh. But if it's needed.

830
00:29:26,539 --> 00:29:28,293
It's needed. Mh. And mate... I can tell

831
00:29:28,293 --> 00:29:30,048
you there's certainly dogs that I've seen where

832
00:29:30,208 --> 00:29:31,723
Looked at them and I thought, there's little

833
00:29:31,723 --> 00:29:33,729
that I can actually do here. Yeah. I

834
00:29:33,729 --> 00:29:35,819
think what we need to do is explore

835
00:29:36,272 --> 00:29:38,021
medication. I think we need to look at

836
00:29:38,021 --> 00:29:40,087
putting a dog on something with a behavioral

837
00:29:40,087 --> 00:29:43,451
vet. And I've recommended good and thorough behavioral

838
00:29:43,451 --> 00:29:45,684
vets that I know have ethics. They're not

839
00:29:45,684 --> 00:29:47,678
just a sort of person who gets the

840
00:29:47,678 --> 00:29:49,433
dog in the room and basically just writing

841
00:29:49,433 --> 00:29:52,229
a prescription. They are taking blood tests. They're

842
00:29:52,229 --> 00:29:53,734
looking at the dog. They're consulting the clients.

843
00:29:53,893 --> 00:29:56,612
They're even asking me and other dog trainers

844
00:29:57,063 --> 00:29:59,061
around Australia, like, what did you say? Why

845
00:29:59,061 --> 00:30:01,205
did you recommend the dog come here? What's

846
00:30:01,205 --> 00:30:03,666
happened. They spend time going in... With the

847
00:30:03,666 --> 00:30:05,889
client? Mh. I can even say this of

848
00:30:05,889 --> 00:30:07,812
my own personal doctor the same 1 who

849
00:30:07,812 --> 00:30:09,427
was trying to force me to get vaccinated,

850
00:30:10,042 --> 00:30:12,056
he is not fast to push me onto

851
00:30:12,273 --> 00:30:14,265
antibiotics, which is quite ironic that he was

852
00:30:14,265 --> 00:30:15,619
with 1 and not with the other. Mh.

853
00:30:15,779 --> 00:30:17,387
But even with antibiotics, like he he'll say,

854
00:30:17,706 --> 00:30:19,620
let's try it without antibiotics so we don't

855
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:22,729
create antibiotic issue, which I appreciate in him

856
00:30:22,729 --> 00:30:24,403
as well. Mh. And I like that about

857
00:30:24,403 --> 00:30:26,570
when I'm working with vets as well that

858
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:29,996
they're not over prescribing medication. Our own vet

859
00:30:29,996 --> 00:30:31,907
does that with lady bag because she gets

860
00:30:31,907 --> 00:30:34,457
a shit ton of Uti. She is reluctant

861
00:30:34,457 --> 00:30:34,957
to

862
00:30:35,268 --> 00:30:37,574
just put her on medication unless she needs

863
00:30:37,574 --> 00:30:39,823
it unless there's nothing that she can do

864
00:30:39,959 --> 00:30:42,185
to help her fight off the infection. She

865
00:30:42,185 --> 00:30:43,696
needs to be on antibiotics. That's the way

866
00:30:43,696 --> 00:30:44,093
things are.

867
00:30:44,982 --> 00:30:46,969
Getting back to this original point that's been

868
00:30:46,969 --> 00:30:49,591
frustrating me so much. I kinda looked at

869
00:30:49,591 --> 00:30:51,657
it from the 50004

870
00:30:51,657 --> 00:30:53,739
point of view to think to myself, Am

871
00:30:53,819 --> 00:30:56,613
I being ridiculous about this? Am I just

872
00:30:56,613 --> 00:30:58,528
developing a bias because I'm angry and the

873
00:30:58,528 --> 00:31:00,764
tools are being taken away? And is that

874
00:31:00,764 --> 00:31:03,891
really the driving force behind this? Or is

875
00:31:03,891 --> 00:31:06,602
there something really in this? So I went

876
00:31:06,602 --> 00:31:07,421
into Chat gp.

877
00:31:07,798 --> 00:31:09,951
And I understand that Chat Gp has some

878
00:31:09,951 --> 00:31:12,593
biases as well and the information which people

879
00:31:12,593 --> 00:31:14,893
can say and we'll probably be thinking to

880
00:31:14,893 --> 00:31:16,480
themselves they're listening back to this. Chat

881
00:31:17,273 --> 00:31:19,835
Isn't perfect, and it can give you some

882
00:31:20,224 --> 00:31:23,337
false narrative sometimes. And I've even subscribed to

883
00:31:23,337 --> 00:31:25,732
that. But as a business model with a

884
00:31:25,732 --> 00:31:27,169
lot of things that I've put in there

885
00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:30,056
with Chat out on business models, The information

886
00:31:30,215 --> 00:31:32,364
I've got back is remarkable. And in fact,

887
00:31:32,443 --> 00:31:34,911
it saved me hundreds of hours sometimes. So

888
00:31:34,990 --> 00:31:36,582
I would say over the time that I've

889
00:31:36,582 --> 00:31:38,253
been using it, Of just being able to

890
00:31:38,253 --> 00:31:41,454
generate some really articulate work. I asked at

891
00:31:41,454 --> 00:31:44,402
this question, I've literally spent probably an hour

892
00:31:44,402 --> 00:31:46,633
putting all the parameters into it. Of just

893
00:31:46,633 --> 00:31:48,466
building it line by line they're like saying,

894
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,200
I need you to pretend that you're the

895
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,400
Ceo of a pharmaceutical company that you've got

896
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,851
shareholders you've got investors in the organization, you

897
00:31:57,851 --> 00:32:00,151
need to turn a profit every quarter. You've

898
00:32:00,151 --> 00:32:02,451
literally saturated the market, and it was more

899
00:32:02,451 --> 00:32:05,069
for behavioral side medication. So I built the

900
00:32:05,069 --> 00:32:06,839
parameters, out in it? I spent a long

901
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,259
time doing it. Not surprisingly at the end

902
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:11,559
where it suggested, what was the question that

903
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:13,811
you put to it? What specifically did what

904
00:32:13,811 --> 00:32:15,399
was the problem it had to solve? The

905
00:32:15,399 --> 00:32:18,176
problem it had to solve was what do

906
00:32:18,176 --> 00:32:21,374
you need to do to ensure sur?

907
00:32:22,398 --> 00:32:25,102
And a turn in profit every quarter in

908
00:32:25,102 --> 00:32:25,921
regards to

909
00:32:26,375 --> 00:32:27,591
selling your behavioral

910
00:32:28,046 --> 00:32:31,155
modification medicines. Okay. Primarily at the end, it

911
00:32:31,155 --> 00:32:34,166
started saying that it would ensure that it

912
00:32:34,166 --> 00:32:35,988
worked with the collaboration of it.

913
00:32:36,878 --> 00:32:38,335
Professional trainers and influencers

914
00:32:38,712 --> 00:32:40,807
to canvas the market. Fundamentally,

915
00:32:41,583 --> 00:32:44,214
it was building out that it would do

916
00:32:44,214 --> 00:32:46,724
whatever it needed to do. To remain profitable

917
00:32:47,023 --> 00:32:49,041
by influencing and collaborating

918
00:32:49,659 --> 00:32:53,630
and supporting and funding a large market of

919
00:32:53,829 --> 00:32:54,329
primarily

920
00:32:54,708 --> 00:32:57,744
anybody it could to saturate the market with

921
00:32:57,744 --> 00:32:59,902
it product. Mh. I thought to myself,

922
00:33:00,541 --> 00:33:01,260
these people,

923
00:33:01,754 --> 00:33:04,455
Do they understand the third parties that are

924
00:33:04,455 --> 00:33:07,155
involved in this? Do they understand that perhaps

925
00:33:07,155 --> 00:33:09,856
they're are born in a financial game here?

926
00:33:10,666 --> 00:33:13,921
Where they're literally being controlled and manipulated and

927
00:33:13,921 --> 00:33:14,421
modified

928
00:33:15,192 --> 00:33:17,653
based on a model that's been set in

929
00:33:17,653 --> 00:33:20,134
place to create and generate profit. No. They're

930
00:33:20,134 --> 00:33:22,131
done at all. See, that's the point that

931
00:33:22,291 --> 00:33:22,850
I'm thought.

932
00:33:23,649 --> 00:33:25,486
That's the point that I'm dying inside on,

933
00:33:25,646 --> 00:33:27,178
and that's the point where I keep sticking

934
00:33:27,178 --> 00:33:28,693
on, and it's the point that I keep

935
00:33:28,693 --> 00:33:31,643
becoming very sad and frustrated on because I

936
00:33:31,643 --> 00:33:34,296
keep thinking why are we losing ground

937
00:33:34,832 --> 00:33:35,332
when

938
00:33:35,884 --> 00:33:39,097
I believe that the logical and plausible argument

939
00:33:39,156 --> 00:33:40,592
that we keep putting out here and we

940
00:33:40,592 --> 00:33:42,428
keep banging our heads on the table about

941
00:33:42,428 --> 00:33:44,756
every single time. But I just don't think

942
00:33:44,756 --> 00:33:46,668
we can fight the money. Okay. You're still

943
00:33:46,668 --> 00:33:49,139
being a little bit cryptic, mh lay it

944
00:33:49,139 --> 00:33:51,370
out for us what you think is happening.

945
00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:53,293
Let me steal man your and say if

946
00:33:53,452 --> 00:33:55,200
I understand Yeah totally what you're right.

947
00:33:55,995 --> 00:33:57,210
You think that

948
00:33:57,584 --> 00:33:58,538
balanced training,

949
00:33:59,349 --> 00:34:00,309
effective training,

950
00:34:00,789 --> 00:34:03,910
training that will limit problems in the average

951
00:34:03,910 --> 00:34:07,109
pet dog, anxiety issues, let's say, damaging the

952
00:34:07,109 --> 00:34:08,469
house while people are gone,

953
00:34:08,963 --> 00:34:11,832
let's say, dog aggression, peculiar behaviors, all that

954
00:34:11,832 --> 00:34:14,085
sort of stuff. You think that

955
00:34:14,462 --> 00:34:15,817
there is a push,

956
00:34:16,709 --> 00:34:19,665
from the pharmaceutical companies that create the meds

957
00:34:19,665 --> 00:34:20,724
for the dogs

958
00:34:21,423 --> 00:34:23,761
that they are influencing

959
00:34:24,314 --> 00:34:26,331
or funding or driving

960
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:29,902
the idea that balance training shouldn't be allowed,

961
00:34:30,062 --> 00:34:32,617
and they are in part behind the banning

962
00:34:32,617 --> 00:34:35,844
of tools and so forth, so that training

963
00:34:36,142 --> 00:34:37,360
is less effective

964
00:34:37,976 --> 00:34:38,796
and therefore,

965
00:34:39,731 --> 00:34:41,965
more meds are needed. Well, let me ask

966
00:34:41,965 --> 00:34:43,320
you this counter question.

967
00:34:43,894 --> 00:34:46,848
If you're invested in selling medication as a

968
00:34:46,848 --> 00:34:47,885
third party operative,

969
00:34:48,604 --> 00:34:50,839
who's the enemy to your market? Yeah. People

970
00:34:50,839 --> 00:34:52,675
who make it unnecessary for dogs to have.

971
00:34:52,929 --> 00:34:54,604
There you go. Yeah. And that's where I

972
00:34:54,604 --> 00:34:56,758
kept coming back to all the time. So

973
00:34:56,758 --> 00:34:58,672
when I kept looking at it objectively because

974
00:34:58,752 --> 00:35:00,427
I kept having patched to it on my

975
00:35:00,427 --> 00:35:02,101
shoulder while I was doing this because I

976
00:35:02,101 --> 00:35:03,947
kept thinking When I put this to Pat

977
00:35:03,947 --> 00:35:06,093
gonna fight me on this, naturally, not in

978
00:35:06,093 --> 00:35:07,921
a... Yeah. But I wanna I wanna answer

979
00:35:07,921 --> 00:35:09,431
questions I wanna plug all the gas. Good.

980
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:11,117
And so you should. I think the more

981
00:35:11,117 --> 00:35:13,427
that I've matured in this over time, I've

982
00:35:13,427 --> 00:35:15,419
learned to construct a better argument with it

983
00:35:15,419 --> 00:35:17,491
and try and remove my bias from it

984
00:35:17,491 --> 00:35:19,403
because I kept coming into this thinking. Okay.

985
00:35:19,642 --> 00:35:20,041
I'm biased.

986
00:35:20,614 --> 00:35:22,295
That's why I'm angry about this. And this

987
00:35:22,295 --> 00:35:24,695
is why I'm feeling frustrated about this. I

988
00:35:24,695 --> 00:35:26,855
don't believe it's a part of bias anymore.

989
00:35:27,094 --> 00:35:29,506
I just can't under... Stand why I keep

990
00:35:29,506 --> 00:35:32,699
losing to this. Then people who are listening

991
00:35:32,699 --> 00:35:35,332
once again, because again, please believe me. I

992
00:35:35,332 --> 00:35:37,258
understand how this sounds. People are going, boy,

993
00:35:37,337 --> 00:35:39,482
you don't like losing. That's your problem. Mh.

994
00:35:39,879 --> 00:35:41,785
It's not a matter of me losing. I

995
00:35:41,785 --> 00:35:43,929
don't think I'm losing because I will still

996
00:35:43,929 --> 00:35:45,536
have a job. I mean, I didn't have

997
00:35:45,536 --> 00:35:47,050
to train another dog for the rest of

998
00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:48,644
my life, and I can still be involved

999
00:35:48,644 --> 00:35:50,159
in pick care market and still have a

1000
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,071
job. Mh. So I'm not losing.

1001
00:35:52,564 --> 00:35:54,161
Yeah. Yeah. So like, to be clear on

1002
00:35:54,161 --> 00:35:57,114
that, your actual job here, those kennel where

1003
00:35:57,114 --> 00:35:58,951
the balance training exists or not. They'll still

1004
00:35:58,951 --> 00:35:59,909
be filled with people are still going on

1005
00:35:59,909 --> 00:36:01,505
the holidays. Yeah. People are still putting their

1006
00:36:01,505 --> 00:36:03,137
dogs. That's right. Your

1007
00:36:03,514 --> 00:36:04,014
sur,

1008
00:36:04,472 --> 00:36:06,705
your profit margins within as a company doesn't

1009
00:36:06,705 --> 00:36:09,098
rely on training. Training is very much This

1010
00:36:09,098 --> 00:36:11,251
business, training is very much. Training of Bolt.

1011
00:36:11,490 --> 00:36:14,065
Yeah. Training is a sideline interest that the

1012
00:36:14,065 --> 00:36:17,025
company likes to have. It's basically the fries

1013
00:36:17,025 --> 00:36:18,864
to the order. Mh. I'm not saying that

1014
00:36:18,864 --> 00:36:19,400
in a

1015
00:36:19,837 --> 00:36:22,303
dismissive way because we're a company that believes

1016
00:36:22,303 --> 00:36:24,928
in training. Yeah. From myself right up to

1017
00:36:24,928 --> 00:36:26,692
their head. They see the need for it,

1018
00:36:26,931 --> 00:36:29,391
they agree with it. They like the vision

1019
00:36:29,391 --> 00:36:31,137
of training. They always wanted to have a

1020
00:36:31,137 --> 00:36:33,042
on board with the company. That was never

1021
00:36:33,042 --> 00:36:34,967
an issue. For Let me get back to

1022
00:36:34,967 --> 00:36:36,882
the side of this conversation where I keep

1023
00:36:36,882 --> 00:36:39,436
thinking about people thinking that I'm complaining that

1024
00:36:39,515 --> 00:36:41,670
I'm gonna lose something. I'm worried about.

1025
00:36:42,401 --> 00:36:45,418
Talks in general. I'm worried about society because

1026
00:36:45,576 --> 00:36:47,879
I can see over that framework when you're

1027
00:36:47,879 --> 00:36:49,387
looking at it through the window, you can

1028
00:36:49,387 --> 00:36:50,522
see that the time

1029
00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:54,670
of how many dogs now are on medications

1030
00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:56,909
or medicines or pharmaceuticals or whatever you wanna

1031
00:36:56,909 --> 00:36:58,750
call them. There's an abundance of dogs that

1032
00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:00,269
come in here that are on medication.

1033
00:37:01,004 --> 00:37:01,664
If I

1034
00:37:02,042 --> 00:37:03,719
rewind the clock and go back. Let me

1035
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:04,677
go back 2 decades,

1036
00:37:05,155 --> 00:37:07,311
you would not have seen 1 tenth of

1037
00:37:07,311 --> 00:37:09,148
those dogs would have been on medications, and

1038
00:37:09,148 --> 00:37:11,973
they would have been on medications for maybe

1039
00:37:12,109 --> 00:37:14,492
a virus or Mh. Something like that with...

1040
00:37:14,730 --> 00:37:16,795
It's fighting an infection. It wouldn't be on

1041
00:37:16,795 --> 00:37:17,295
behavioral

1042
00:37:17,748 --> 00:37:20,231
modification medicines. Yeah the man of children that

1043
00:37:20,311 --> 00:37:23,525
I'm seeing on behavioral modification medicines has escalated

1044
00:37:23,663 --> 00:37:25,977
in my timeframe frame. That's a much bigger

1045
00:37:25,977 --> 00:37:28,696
thing in my life timescale scale compared to

1046
00:37:28,696 --> 00:37:30,680
what it was. But because I'm not really

1047
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,973
invested in the

1048
00:37:32,822 --> 00:37:35,480
education of children or the training of children

1049
00:37:35,536 --> 00:37:38,076
or knowing much about the scale of children.

1050
00:37:38,315 --> 00:37:40,776
I don't really have much of a window

1051
00:37:40,776 --> 00:37:42,760
into that, but with dogs I do. What's

1052
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,085
alarming me if I'm making this clear, and

1053
00:37:45,244 --> 00:37:46,680
I feel like I'm ba a bit here

1054
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,594
now, But what's alarming me is I feel

1055
00:37:48,594 --> 00:37:51,386
like we're getting things taken away from us

1056
00:37:51,386 --> 00:37:53,401
because we've got a controlling over overarching

1057
00:37:53,793 --> 00:37:57,564
monopoly who's basically directing and has a shadow

1058
00:37:57,622 --> 00:37:59,877
interest in stopping things

1059
00:38:00,254 --> 00:38:03,365
that interfere with its agenda to make profits.

1060
00:38:04,098 --> 00:38:05,694
As Nor has said to me in the

1061
00:38:05,694 --> 00:38:08,646
past, just follow the logical course of the

1062
00:38:08,646 --> 00:38:10,561
science behind it or look at the logical

1063
00:38:10,561 --> 00:38:12,253
course. And if you do look at the

1064
00:38:12,253 --> 00:38:15,289
logical course, I don't really feel that you

1065
00:38:15,289 --> 00:38:15,789
can't

1066
00:38:16,248 --> 00:38:18,326
understand or can't grasp, but this is actually

1067
00:38:18,326 --> 00:38:20,889
what's happening to us. We're being trained in

1068
00:38:20,889 --> 00:38:23,378
very much the same way with the same

1069
00:38:23,434 --> 00:38:26,059
technologies that we're training dogs. And again, that's

1070
00:38:26,059 --> 00:38:28,463
getting back into my original Covid. Story because

1071
00:38:28,543 --> 00:38:30,856
I felt like that was a massive control

1072
00:38:30,856 --> 00:38:33,330
and training model that was unleashed onto the

1073
00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:34,846
world. It's not that I don't believe in

1074
00:38:34,926 --> 00:38:38,041
Covid. I just can't understand how that fucking

1075
00:38:38,041 --> 00:38:40,027
thing happened, and then Covid just vanish from

1076
00:38:40,027 --> 00:38:41,775
our life and nobody cares about it anymore.

1077
00:38:41,933 --> 00:38:43,443
Yeah. It's like, even if you come to

1078
00:38:43,443 --> 00:38:45,032
work with Covid, it's like, oh, well, you

1079
00:38:45,032 --> 00:38:46,005
just got Covid who cares.

1080
00:38:46,964 --> 00:38:48,964
Even the vaccinated people who were all told,

1081
00:38:49,125 --> 00:38:50,324
you won't get Covid if you get the

1082
00:38:50,324 --> 00:38:51,525
vaccinated all got Covid.

1083
00:38:52,005 --> 00:38:54,085
Multiple times and they're still getting Covid. Mh,

1084
00:38:54,659 --> 00:38:56,413
That must be frustrating to a lot of

1085
00:38:56,413 --> 00:38:57,690
people. They must look at that and go,

1086
00:38:57,849 --> 00:38:59,843
well, why does that happen? It's also the

1087
00:38:59,843 --> 00:39:01,438
blind defense that comes with it and goes

1088
00:39:01,438 --> 00:39:02,794
here, but I'm not getting it as severe

1089
00:39:02,794 --> 00:39:03,831
as what I would have got it on

1090
00:39:03,831 --> 00:39:05,996
the other hand. I got Covid. It was

1091
00:39:05,996 --> 00:39:08,463
unpleasant. Didn't tickle. It hurt. But I know

1092
00:39:08,463 --> 00:39:10,771
people who got much sicker than I did

1093
00:39:10,771 --> 00:39:13,335
with Covid, much sicker. They got vaccinated 3,

1094
00:39:13,494 --> 00:39:16,760
4 times. Mh definitely affected individuals differently. Sure.

1095
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,911
It did. And all diseases do I understand

1096
00:39:18,911 --> 00:39:20,700
that. And But I don't

1097
00:39:21,074 --> 00:39:23,617
understand what's happening to us. Okay. And understand

1098
00:39:23,617 --> 00:39:25,945
this grand change that seems to have happened

1099
00:39:26,081 --> 00:39:27,909
unless it's always been that way, and I've

1100
00:39:27,909 --> 00:39:30,708
only just become... Awaken to it. So was

1101
00:39:30,867 --> 00:39:33,094
I right in your opinion, what I said

1102
00:39:33,094 --> 00:39:35,322
of what you think? Yes. You're were. Okay.

1103
00:39:35,879 --> 00:39:38,043
1 thing that we've talked about We have

1104
00:39:38,043 --> 00:39:40,196
to confront that I'm on board... Well, let

1105
00:39:40,196 --> 00:39:40,696
me

1106
00:39:41,074 --> 00:39:42,988
take a 7. But I think that when

1107
00:39:43,068 --> 00:39:45,062
I look at my Facebook, when I look

1108
00:39:45,062 --> 00:39:46,519
at the people who are the most hardcore

1109
00:39:46,657 --> 00:39:49,066
conspiracy theorists. In my people that I get

1110
00:39:49,066 --> 00:39:51,780
to see talk about what they're into. A

1111
00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:53,776
lot of dog trainers are conspiracy theorists. And

1112
00:39:53,856 --> 00:39:55,612
I've had this conversation with Jane, my wife

1113
00:39:55,612 --> 00:39:57,701
a few times about, like, I think it's

1114
00:39:57,701 --> 00:40:00,648
because we see behavioral patterns, like we're fairly

1115
00:40:00,648 --> 00:40:02,957
well trained in how to manipulate behavior,

1116
00:40:03,594 --> 00:40:05,998
and we see the manipulation of behavior. And

1117
00:40:05,998 --> 00:40:07,033
then when you're like, hey on, if you

1118
00:40:07,033 --> 00:40:08,385
have to manipulate me to fill in a

1119
00:40:08,385 --> 00:40:10,374
particular way, like, maybe you're trying to make

1120
00:40:10,374 --> 00:40:12,682
something happen. Yep. Rather than letting something play

1121
00:40:12,682 --> 00:40:15,159
out. And something that I'm boarding on, and

1122
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:16,588
we've talked about in the past is that

1123
00:40:16,588 --> 00:40:19,130
we believe that Peter, you don't need to

1124
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:20,957
believe this is written on their website. They

1125
00:40:20,957 --> 00:40:22,228
don't want people to own pets.

1126
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:25,380
Angry ingrid New cook designed her

1127
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:27,920
organization or a company or whatever you wanna

1128
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,000
call that under that mandate. Yeah. She made

1129
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,729
it abundantly... Now they try and fluff that

1130
00:40:32,729 --> 00:40:34,397
over, and they try and pull the curtains

1131
00:40:34,397 --> 00:40:37,018
around that. Yeah. But behind those curtains, the

1132
00:40:37,018 --> 00:40:39,639
pillar etched into the pillar the. But so

1133
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:40,139
then

1134
00:40:40,527 --> 00:40:43,544
we say that the overarching villain in our

1135
00:40:43,544 --> 00:40:44,362
story here

1136
00:40:44,735 --> 00:40:46,799
is the pharmaceutical companies that are trying to

1137
00:40:46,799 --> 00:40:49,022
make a profit. Mh. That's your position.

1138
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:52,452
And then they are influencing the groups that

1139
00:40:52,452 --> 00:40:54,278
they can. But they didn't see themselves as

1140
00:40:54,278 --> 00:40:55,945
being a villain there. No. Of course. Not.

1141
00:40:56,025 --> 00:40:57,948
But... Like, the villain in this story. Yeah.

1142
00:40:58,427 --> 00:41:01,322
All they are to themselves is we've proper

1143
00:41:01,461 --> 00:41:03,217
machine. We just gotta keep making. We gotta

1144
00:41:03,217 --> 00:41:05,852
keep making... So in their attempt to continue

1145
00:41:05,852 --> 00:41:08,280
to make a profit. Yep. They are then

1146
00:41:08,496 --> 00:41:08,996
facilitating

1147
00:41:09,928 --> 00:41:11,860
the people who would ban

1148
00:41:12,235 --> 00:41:13,053
the training

1149
00:41:13,587 --> 00:41:16,625
that would make their product less desirable, less

1150
00:41:16,625 --> 00:41:17,977
usable, less necessary.

1151
00:41:18,852 --> 00:41:20,625
Surely then they're at odds

1152
00:41:21,255 --> 00:41:22,295
what do you have to say about that?

1153
00:41:22,375 --> 00:41:23,655
Do you think that's a battle that's they're

1154
00:41:23,655 --> 00:41:26,074
just gonna cross that bridge later on? Or

1155
00:41:26,214 --> 00:41:27,594
is it inc

1156
00:41:28,548 --> 00:41:31,416
that the pharmaceutical companies want everybody to have

1157
00:41:31,416 --> 00:41:34,125
pets, and they want all those pets on

1158
00:41:34,284 --> 00:41:35,001
Ss i's.

1159
00:41:35,973 --> 00:41:38,927
But their ally in the getting everybody on

1160
00:41:39,087 --> 00:41:41,801
Ss. Doesn't want anybody to have pets. And

1161
00:41:41,801 --> 00:41:44,515
they want to reduce ownership of dogs.

1162
00:41:45,246 --> 00:41:49,161
Where's the there? Did see that as a

1163
00:41:49,216 --> 00:41:51,994
potential flaw in the way that we're perceiving

1164
00:41:51,994 --> 00:41:52,312
things?

1165
00:41:52,883 --> 00:41:54,073
That's an interesting concept.

1166
00:41:54,469 --> 00:41:56,770
I don't know if I agree that they're

1167
00:41:56,770 --> 00:41:59,729
aligned together. Okay. Because I feel that

1168
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:02,936
most likely, Peter would be a standalone

1169
00:42:03,555 --> 00:42:06,192
organization that believes that they're on their own

1170
00:42:06,192 --> 00:42:09,000
island, conducting their own Okay. So then who

1171
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,435
maybe do you think is the next step.

1172
00:42:10,674 --> 00:42:13,146
Like, when the pharmaceutical company sit around when

1173
00:42:13,146 --> 00:42:15,697
when the evil villain sits around the board

1174
00:42:15,697 --> 00:42:16,015
table,

1175
00:42:16,508 --> 00:42:18,094
and they go, we have to come up

1176
00:42:18,094 --> 00:42:20,077
with a plan of this. Like, you gave

1177
00:42:20,077 --> 00:42:22,560
chat Gp the same set of parameters as

1178
00:42:22,853 --> 00:42:25,492
they potentially face. Yep. And it said, well

1179
00:42:25,492 --> 00:42:27,725
we need to influence people to not train

1180
00:42:27,725 --> 00:42:29,161
a particular way where they buy they need

1181
00:42:29,161 --> 00:42:29,639
our product.

1182
00:42:30,197 --> 00:42:32,192
Who do you think that pharmaceutical company specifically

1183
00:42:32,192 --> 00:42:35,239
are talking to what step 1? Government and

1184
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,900
bits. Okay. So you think that they're... It's

1185
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,400
direct to government. That's of. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah.

1186
00:42:41,734 --> 00:42:43,972
Hundred percent. The jaw dropper for me, not

1187
00:42:43,972 --> 00:42:45,730
that I didn't understand it was gonna happen.

1188
00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:47,808
The jaw dropper for me was when the

1189
00:42:47,888 --> 00:42:50,625
Pal shaped government made it a particular mandate

1190
00:42:51,098 --> 00:42:54,364
on her agenda to remove phone callers. Yeah.

1191
00:42:54,683 --> 00:42:56,834
Rather than a back venture in 1 of

1192
00:42:56,834 --> 00:42:59,797
her groups bringing because they're an animal advocate

1193
00:42:59,797 --> 00:43:01,812
and they're involved in some way in animal

1194
00:43:02,109 --> 00:43:04,420
advocacy. Why did she bring it up? That

1195
00:43:04,420 --> 00:43:06,347
is a especially good point in that that

1196
00:43:06,347 --> 00:43:08,654
ban in Queensland came from nowhere and based

1197
00:43:08,654 --> 00:43:10,802
on no evidence. Yeah. It just popped up

1198
00:43:10,802 --> 00:43:12,893
1 day, and it was a Saturday morning

1199
00:43:13,204 --> 00:43:15,676
that it got announced via Instagram or, like,

1200
00:43:15,836 --> 00:43:17,989
via social media. I know there's been a

1201
00:43:17,989 --> 00:43:20,462
very squeaky wheel in Queensland. There was a

1202
00:43:20,462 --> 00:43:22,296
lady up there who was Andy remote and

1203
00:43:22,376 --> 00:43:22,876
Anti

1204
00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:25,171
prong colors for a very long time, but

1205
00:43:25,171 --> 00:43:27,893
it just struck me, like, why does this

1206
00:43:27,948 --> 00:43:31,067
particularly take interest? The premier of Queensland?

1207
00:43:31,693 --> 00:43:33,678
Why did it become her personal gender like

1208
00:43:33,757 --> 00:43:35,425
I've never been. So for our American listeners,

1209
00:43:35,584 --> 00:43:37,887
the premier of a state in Australia is

1210
00:43:37,887 --> 00:43:39,952
the equivalent of a governor in your senator

1211
00:43:39,952 --> 00:43:41,477
or I think is that governor for. Government.

1212
00:43:41,716 --> 00:43:44,422
Okay. Yep. Yep. So the leader of the

1213
00:43:44,422 --> 00:43:47,309
state within the state government, the elected official

1214
00:43:47,446 --> 00:43:50,883
just suddenly decided 1. Saturday morning. Yep. That

1215
00:43:50,883 --> 00:43:53,114
prong colors are getting banned. So it really

1216
00:43:53,114 --> 00:43:55,265
made me think, are we that much of

1217
00:43:55,265 --> 00:43:56,721
a t commodity

1218
00:43:57,257 --> 00:43:59,248
where things can just be taken from us

1219
00:43:59,248 --> 00:43:59,647
that quickly?

1220
00:44:00,379 --> 00:44:02,844
And it didn't seem to matter what the

1221
00:44:02,844 --> 00:44:05,230
contrary was. It didn't seem to matter how

1222
00:44:05,230 --> 00:44:05,730
many

1223
00:44:06,104 --> 00:44:07,854
clients came forward and said, hey, This is

1224
00:44:07,854 --> 00:44:09,762
fucking life changing for my dog. Don't you

1225
00:44:09,762 --> 00:44:09,921
understand?

1226
00:44:10,733 --> 00:44:13,465
The 1 point that I can never shrug

1227
00:44:13,603 --> 00:44:14,959
or get it out of my head when

1228
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:16,554
I'm thinking about this when I'm in a

1229
00:44:16,554 --> 00:44:17,989
clear state of mind mine and I'm even

1230
00:44:17,989 --> 00:44:19,480
meditating on this is

1231
00:44:19,838 --> 00:44:22,812
I've never met 1 person

1232
00:44:23,269 --> 00:44:25,205
in my 30 plus years

1233
00:44:25,743 --> 00:44:28,315
of training dogs, that I've recommended a prong

1234
00:44:28,315 --> 00:44:30,155
call 2 that's ever come back to me

1235
00:44:30,155 --> 00:44:31,535
and said, you

1236
00:44:32,394 --> 00:44:35,035
you've given me something that's hurt my dog,

1237
00:44:35,195 --> 00:44:37,706
ruined my dog put my training backwards.

1238
00:44:38,083 --> 00:44:41,352
Yeah. Yeah. Nothing mate. That's the absolute issue

1239
00:44:41,352 --> 00:44:43,266
that every time I close my eyes when

1240
00:44:43,266 --> 00:44:45,235
this is in my mind. I can't stop

1241
00:44:45,434 --> 00:44:47,850
thinking about that. And this is what generated

1242
00:44:48,068 --> 00:44:50,224
this whole big poly waffle of a discussion

1243
00:44:50,224 --> 00:44:51,022
that we're having now,

1244
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:54,135
because I can't stop thinking about it. Yeah.

1245
00:44:54,548 --> 00:44:57,333
I can't stop thinking about how did this

1246
00:44:57,333 --> 00:44:59,561
happen? How did we get here and why

1247
00:44:59,561 --> 00:45:01,471
are we letting this happen? Mh. When you

1248
00:45:01,471 --> 00:45:04,192
look deeply into other things? I'll give you

1249
00:45:04,192 --> 00:45:07,298
an example. I've been watching Clark farm, which

1250
00:45:07,458 --> 00:45:08,812
I think is fucking brilliant.

1251
00:45:09,450 --> 00:45:12,238
Jeremy Clark who was on top gear. He's

1252
00:45:12,238 --> 00:45:13,090
got show on

1253
00:45:13,527 --> 00:45:16,336
Amazon where he's bought a farm over in

1254
00:45:16,632 --> 00:45:18,543
the Ko or something like that over in

1255
00:45:18,861 --> 00:45:21,663
England. I understand that Jeremy Clark not certain

1256
00:45:21,663 --> 00:45:23,335
people's cup of tea. They find him a

1257
00:45:23,335 --> 00:45:24,848
bit arrogant or a bit of a douche

1258
00:45:24,848 --> 00:45:26,600
bag and you 1 of those people. Yeah

1259
00:45:26,839 --> 00:45:28,830
I understanding him. I know. We've had this

1260
00:45:28,830 --> 00:45:29,148
discussion.

1261
00:45:30,198 --> 00:45:32,262
He's a celebrity and he's probably a bit

1262
00:45:32,262 --> 00:45:33,850
of a win bag in a certain amount

1263
00:45:33,850 --> 00:45:35,517
of things, and he's probably 1 of these

1264
00:45:35,517 --> 00:45:37,795
people who has always got an idea and

1265
00:45:37,994 --> 00:45:39,187
agenda and he could be a pain in

1266
00:45:39,187 --> 00:45:40,779
the ass neighbor to leave next to. I

1267
00:45:40,779 --> 00:45:42,371
get that and looking at it from the

1268
00:45:42,371 --> 00:45:44,918
50000 foot point of view, when you think

1269
00:45:44,918 --> 00:45:47,147
about it regardless of how funny he can

1270
00:45:47,147 --> 00:45:48,592
be on show it. You kind of look

1271
00:45:48,592 --> 00:45:50,022
at it... Well, what have I live next

1272
00:45:50,022 --> 00:45:52,007
door to this claim? Like, what if that

1273
00:45:52,007 --> 00:45:53,755
happened? But what if it was my company

1274
00:45:53,755 --> 00:45:56,296
that what was tanking with his lies. Right.

1275
00:45:56,534 --> 00:45:59,572
Carry on. So the point is what he

1276
00:45:59,572 --> 00:46:01,959
has done in that show is he's really

1277
00:46:01,959 --> 00:46:02,675
brought to light,

1278
00:46:03,312 --> 00:46:05,938
how screwed over farmers are being across the

1279
00:46:05,938 --> 00:46:08,820
world. Yeah. He really has suddenly s a

1280
00:46:08,820 --> 00:46:11,470
light on how governments around the world

1281
00:46:11,926 --> 00:46:14,395
really aren't looking after the people who look

1282
00:46:14,395 --> 00:46:16,724
after our food football. Yeah. And why is

1283
00:46:16,724 --> 00:46:19,385
that? Why did things become so

1284
00:46:19,684 --> 00:46:20,184
incredibly

1285
00:46:20,485 --> 00:46:20,885
expensive?

1286
00:46:21,445 --> 00:46:24,037
Governments aren't to blame for all the weather

1287
00:46:24,094 --> 00:46:26,084
conditions or the reason that certain things happen.

1288
00:46:26,244 --> 00:46:28,631
That's outside their control. But there are a

1289
00:46:28,631 --> 00:46:30,302
lot of things within their control.

1290
00:46:31,034 --> 00:46:34,225
That seem to really inhibit farmers around the

1291
00:46:34,225 --> 00:46:36,539
world from being able to farm properties or

1292
00:46:36,619 --> 00:46:38,627
Yeah. Be involved in their property 1 thing

1293
00:46:38,627 --> 00:46:40,935
that was really interesting on that show was

1294
00:46:40,935 --> 00:46:43,961
the level of malevolent that the local council

1295
00:46:43,961 --> 00:46:45,973
showed towards him, and you could tell

1296
00:46:46,524 --> 00:46:48,359
that they were using their influence and their

1297
00:46:48,359 --> 00:46:50,913
power to certainly pick him out. And it's

1298
00:46:50,913 --> 00:46:52,349
because they didn't like who he was, and

1299
00:46:52,349 --> 00:46:53,466
they didn't like the fact that he was

1300
00:46:53,466 --> 00:46:55,470
on the show and he did call some

1301
00:46:55,470 --> 00:46:56,820
of them a bunch of idiots and so

1302
00:46:56,820 --> 00:46:58,090
forth, but they were taking it out of

1303
00:46:58,090 --> 00:47:01,266
him. So that's a complete corruption of their

1304
00:47:01,266 --> 00:47:01,766
capability.

1305
00:47:02,473 --> 00:47:04,777
Now, again, I'm not in the room. I

1306
00:47:04,777 --> 00:47:06,606
don't know everything that he's done. I don't

1307
00:47:06,606 --> 00:47:08,434
know all of those specific talking points or

1308
00:47:08,434 --> 00:47:09,546
topics that came up.

1309
00:47:10,198 --> 00:47:12,213
Inside a council. But I do know

1310
00:47:12,748 --> 00:47:15,458
when I have been involved in groups before,

1311
00:47:16,016 --> 00:47:17,552
how they like to

1312
00:47:17,942 --> 00:47:20,798
manage people. And how they look at people

1313
00:47:20,798 --> 00:47:23,258
as we will just tell them what and

1314
00:47:23,258 --> 00:47:25,400
how it is. Mh. Even when you're elected

1315
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:25,900
by

1316
00:47:26,288 --> 00:47:27,557
your own group of people,

1317
00:47:28,113 --> 00:47:30,334
something changes within you where you think, well

1318
00:47:30,493 --> 00:47:32,397
I'm gonna do the best by you to

1319
00:47:32,397 --> 00:47:34,222
tell you what to do without your consult.

1320
00:47:34,635 --> 00:47:36,394
And even if you're gru about it, I'm

1321
00:47:36,394 --> 00:47:38,554
gonna see you as being a problem, not

1322
00:47:38,554 --> 00:47:40,714
as being a c or or anything like

1323
00:47:40,714 --> 00:47:42,130
that. They kind of look at you like

1324
00:47:42,249 --> 00:47:43,684
now you're being a problem because you're not

1325
00:47:43,684 --> 00:47:44,960
agreeing with me when I'm trying to do

1326
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,034
the right thing by you. But in this

1327
00:47:47,034 --> 00:47:48,788
case, you know, like, he wanted to build

1328
00:47:48,788 --> 00:47:50,064
a farm shop and he wanted to build

1329
00:47:50,064 --> 00:47:50,941
the his car park.

1330
00:47:51,672 --> 00:47:53,103
And there are other farms in the area

1331
00:47:53,103 --> 00:47:54,930
who are all had to do this. Then

1332
00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:57,155
he wanted to put a farm track in

1333
00:47:57,155 --> 00:47:58,664
there. He's got an adviser in and who

1334
00:47:58,664 --> 00:48:00,150
said, yep, this is all in the law

1335
00:48:00,348 --> 00:48:02,099
providing you do it this way. This is

1336
00:48:02,099 --> 00:48:04,327
the work that you're doing every fucking hook

1337
00:48:04,327 --> 00:48:05,918
can turn in the show. They were throwing

1338
00:48:05,918 --> 00:48:08,066
up stop gaps doing. And I kind of

1339
00:48:08,066 --> 00:48:10,150
just thought to myself Have a look, what

1340
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:12,934
a small local government can do to a

1341
00:48:12,934 --> 00:48:15,479
powerful celebrity and the influence that they have

1342
00:48:15,479 --> 00:48:18,044
over at, Isn't it just remarkable? Yeah. That

1343
00:48:18,044 --> 00:48:19,799
can happen. Like, I'm with you in sentiment,

1344
00:48:19,958 --> 00:48:21,394
but Yeah. I just think that he's a

1345
00:48:21,394 --> 00:48:23,627
lying piece of shit. And so that probably

1346
00:48:23,627 --> 00:48:25,462
never happened. He he probably created all of

1347
00:48:25,462 --> 00:48:26,909
that. Like, if theft cra drama in a

1348
00:48:26,988 --> 00:48:29,367
Tv show. I wouldn't put any credence into

1349
00:48:29,367 --> 00:48:31,825
anything Jeremy Clark has to say on a

1350
00:48:31,825 --> 00:48:33,728
tv. You what's the show? No. Never. Watch

1351
00:48:33,728 --> 00:48:35,576
it. But I saw... Did you know what

1352
00:48:35,576 --> 00:48:37,571
they did with Top with the Tesla. You

1353
00:48:37,571 --> 00:48:39,667
know, if you heard about that? Yes. They

1354
00:48:39,726 --> 00:48:40,704
they scripted

1355
00:48:41,083 --> 00:48:43,413
that it breaks down. And they did that

1356
00:48:43,413 --> 00:48:45,891
when Tesla was a starting company. Now, I'm

1357
00:48:45,891 --> 00:48:48,048
not like defending Daddy Elon and making sure

1358
00:48:48,048 --> 00:48:49,327
that his company goes are right. But Jeremy

1359
00:48:49,407 --> 00:48:51,245
Class is a known fucking liar,

1360
00:48:51,738 --> 00:48:53,958
and creates drama on Tv in order to

1361
00:48:53,958 --> 00:48:56,177
make people watch Tv. Yep. Not present the

1362
00:48:56,177 --> 00:48:57,470
truth. The truth

1363
00:48:57,842 --> 00:49:00,395
and his Tv show sell them line. Well,

1364
00:49:00,554 --> 00:49:02,379
that was the case top. Like, I've never

1365
00:49:02,379 --> 00:49:04,045
watched this other show. But, like, I get

1366
00:49:04,045 --> 00:49:05,790
the sentiment. I agree with you in sentiment,

1367
00:49:06,028 --> 00:49:07,639
but I just wouldn't put too much

1368
00:49:07,949 --> 00:49:10,903
wait into anything that he has to say.

1369
00:49:11,462 --> 00:49:13,798
Certainly, the time that I've been involved in

1370
00:49:13,857 --> 00:49:15,773
anything to do with media or anything to

1371
00:49:15,773 --> 00:49:18,101
do with influencing is that can put out

1372
00:49:18,101 --> 00:49:19,296
a positive piece of news,

1373
00:49:19,853 --> 00:49:21,605
and you'll get, like, 4 likes in it.

1374
00:49:21,923 --> 00:49:23,936
But if you put out something there of

1375
00:49:23,994 --> 00:49:27,674
drama or conspiracy or something that delegates danger

1376
00:49:27,674 --> 00:49:29,987
or anything like that. It attracts so much

1377
00:49:29,987 --> 00:49:31,503
right. There's gotta be a reason to to

1378
00:49:31,503 --> 00:49:33,678
pay attention. Looking how many people are already

1379
00:49:33,736 --> 00:49:35,730
pushing you to do the positive punishment course.

1380
00:49:36,144 --> 00:49:37,659
Yeah Which I'm doing. Yeah.

1381
00:49:39,335 --> 00:49:41,089
So I wanna come back to the original

1382
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:43,243
point sure because I think I agree with

1383
00:49:43,243 --> 00:49:44,678
you to an extent. I think I do.

1384
00:49:44,918 --> 00:49:47,807
I think that that is absolutely not outside

1385
00:49:47,807 --> 00:49:50,364
of the realm of possibility. I think that

1386
00:49:50,364 --> 00:49:51,963
that's highly likely. But I think 1 of

1387
00:49:51,963 --> 00:49:53,801
the things that I find myself referring to

1388
00:49:53,801 --> 00:49:54,940
this lesson and less

1389
00:49:55,412 --> 00:49:57,313
is that I think I believe in Ark

1390
00:49:57,313 --> 00:49:59,294
razor as much as possible. Yeah. The, like,

1391
00:49:59,453 --> 00:50:01,354
the most obvious and simple solution often is

1392
00:50:01,354 --> 00:50:03,510
the case. Right. But 1 thing that I

1393
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:05,653
learned pretty early on in my, like, Army

1394
00:50:05,812 --> 00:50:07,796
Career. I held a top secret clearance. I

1395
00:50:07,796 --> 00:50:09,622
worked in a special forces unit. I worked

1396
00:50:09,622 --> 00:50:12,340
with the niche capabilities of that special forces

1397
00:50:12,340 --> 00:50:15,840
unit. I've worked with government agencies of all

1398
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,924
the 3 letters from various parts of the

1399
00:50:17,924 --> 00:50:19,594
world. There was a time where I was

1400
00:50:19,594 --> 00:50:21,583
an action guy involved in that space.

1401
00:50:22,219 --> 00:50:24,072
And what I always

1402
00:50:24,606 --> 00:50:27,409
knew then, but I believe less or less

1403
00:50:27,409 --> 00:50:28,547
each day now

1404
00:50:28,923 --> 00:50:30,699
is that you shouldn't

1405
00:50:31,076 --> 00:50:32,453
attribute to conspiracy

1406
00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:35,711
what can be attributed to incompetent. Mh. Because

1407
00:50:35,711 --> 00:50:36,529
the governments

1408
00:50:37,062 --> 00:50:38,197
across the world

1409
00:50:38,571 --> 00:50:40,796
are full of incompetent people. Oh, no doubt.

1410
00:50:40,954 --> 00:50:42,384
I had a boss at 1 time explained,

1411
00:50:42,543 --> 00:50:44,784
like, we have tolerance of 10 percent morons

1412
00:50:44,784 --> 00:50:46,612
in this unit. Like 10 percent of these

1413
00:50:46,771 --> 00:50:49,633
S f highly trained, like, these are the

1414
00:50:49,633 --> 00:50:50,928
most elite soldiers

1415
00:50:51,238 --> 00:50:52,908
and this is true of every elite unit

1416
00:50:52,908 --> 00:50:54,737
around the world. 10 percent of them shouldn't

1417
00:50:54,737 --> 00:50:56,088
be there. 10 percent of them are fucking

1418
00:50:56,088 --> 00:50:58,156
idiots that somehow managed to get in. And

1419
00:50:58,156 --> 00:51:00,542
that's with a very stringent selection criteria. Right?

1420
00:51:01,192 --> 00:51:03,175
You can extrapolate that to be even higher

1421
00:51:03,175 --> 00:51:05,634
in various government departments. And there are people

1422
00:51:05,634 --> 00:51:08,093
for sure who have a malicious intent in

1423
00:51:08,093 --> 00:51:10,251
their actions. But there are other people who

1424
00:51:10,251 --> 00:51:11,148
are just dummies

1425
00:51:11,522 --> 00:51:14,858
and don't think through their actions or are

1426
00:51:14,858 --> 00:51:17,264
very done in krueger and, like, a very

1427
00:51:17,574 --> 00:51:20,384
sure that what they have said is true

1428
00:51:20,521 --> 00:51:23,229
and within the very narrow scope of knowledge

1429
00:51:23,229 --> 00:51:24,822
they have. It's very true. They will pass

1430
00:51:24,822 --> 00:51:27,387
a lot detector. They're correct. But their dummies,

1431
00:51:27,547 --> 00:51:29,222
and they don't know what else is going

1432
00:51:29,222 --> 00:51:31,853
on. So, like, I think while I in

1433
00:51:31,853 --> 00:51:33,927
part agree with you, I think that that's

1434
00:51:33,927 --> 00:51:37,209
highly likely that there's an influence down the

1435
00:51:37,209 --> 00:51:39,509
chain that says, hey, we need training to

1436
00:51:39,509 --> 00:51:40,564
be less effective

1437
00:51:41,254 --> 00:51:43,554
because we want the meds which is the

1438
00:51:43,554 --> 00:51:45,716
answer to the less effective training or or

1439
00:51:45,716 --> 00:51:47,868
the absence of effective training to fill that

1440
00:51:47,868 --> 00:51:48,187
space.

1441
00:51:48,745 --> 00:51:50,578
And the more dogs we yet onto this

1442
00:51:50,578 --> 00:51:52,252
staff to hire the profit margins like, I'm

1443
00:51:52,252 --> 00:51:54,657
with you Like, I can totally draw that

1444
00:51:54,657 --> 00:51:57,763
bow. I definitely can. Mh I think as

1445
00:51:57,763 --> 00:52:00,152
well there's a lot of other influence. While

1446
00:52:00,152 --> 00:52:01,427
you're saying that and it just comes to

1447
00:52:01,427 --> 00:52:03,515
mind I don't think this is an act

1448
00:52:03,515 --> 00:52:06,146
of being malicious. I just think it's we're

1449
00:52:06,146 --> 00:52:07,901
right way. Yeah. Just in the way yeah.

1450
00:52:08,060 --> 00:52:09,974
Yeah. And the idea of when something's in

1451
00:52:09,974 --> 00:52:11,824
the way of profit in the company. What

1452
00:52:11,824 --> 00:52:13,339
you do is look at removing it at

1453
00:52:13,339 --> 00:52:15,253
all costs. Yeah. And you need to. You

1454
00:52:15,253 --> 00:52:16,950
kind of think how do I

1455
00:52:17,487 --> 00:52:19,640
reduce the impact that's happening while I can

1456
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,409
increase profits and decrease risks. Well, the malicious

1457
00:52:23,409 --> 00:52:25,170
is then certainly, I agree with you. I

1458
00:52:25,170 --> 00:52:28,210
think that pharmaceutical companies want more people taking

1459
00:52:28,210 --> 00:52:30,302
pharmaceutical drugs, like, for sure. That's the model

1460
00:52:30,302 --> 00:52:32,138
you've got malicious side is is that we've

1461
00:52:32,138 --> 00:52:34,213
been painted to be the enemy. Yeah. But

1462
00:52:34,213 --> 00:52:36,607
that's been done, I think from multiple Fronts

1463
00:52:36,607 --> 00:52:38,219
in that, I think that as we sort

1464
00:52:38,219 --> 00:52:40,057
of just tease the apart then that if

1465
00:52:40,057 --> 00:52:41,735
there's a a push to get more dogs

1466
00:52:41,735 --> 00:52:44,152
onto Ss i's, that's not in

1467
00:52:44,611 --> 00:52:45,910
line with Peter's

1468
00:52:46,224 --> 00:52:48,385
less dogs. Right? Like, we don't want people

1469
00:52:48,385 --> 00:52:51,265
owning dogs. And and what we see in

1470
00:52:51,265 --> 00:52:53,985
government as well is it's becoming more and

1471
00:52:53,985 --> 00:52:56,148
more difficult to owned us. As we talked

1472
00:52:56,148 --> 00:52:58,212
about, like, what's happened in South Australia, is

1473
00:52:58,212 --> 00:53:00,593
that they haven't actually banned anything.

1474
00:53:01,069 --> 00:53:04,110
What they've done is tighten the conditions around

1475
00:53:04,110 --> 00:53:05,546
it. And now I can't remember these exact

1476
00:53:05,546 --> 00:53:07,939
numbers. But if you're registered dangerous dog bite

1477
00:53:07,939 --> 00:53:09,535
on in the street, you're up for, over

1478
00:53:09,535 --> 00:53:11,704
a thousand all fine. Mh. And so what

1479
00:53:11,704 --> 00:53:13,619
they're doing is making it to people like,

1480
00:53:13,779 --> 00:53:15,934
oh, let's not get a dog. When Johnny,

1481
00:53:16,094 --> 00:53:17,450
the 10 year old says to mom and

1482
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:18,982
dad, let's get a dog and they do

1483
00:53:18,982 --> 00:53:20,498
a little bit of research. Okay, like, what's

1484
00:53:20,498 --> 00:53:22,255
involved in this? What risks are we taking

1485
00:53:22,255 --> 00:53:23,772
on? They're like, oh, fuck, I'm not taking...

1486
00:53:24,011 --> 00:53:25,688
I'm not accepting this level of risk if

1487
00:53:25,688 --> 00:53:28,990
we get a dog. So there's certainly multiple

1488
00:53:29,601 --> 00:53:32,539
things that are affecting our ability to do

1489
00:53:32,539 --> 00:53:34,603
what we do to train the way that

1490
00:53:34,603 --> 00:53:36,112
we train to be effective with dogs.

1491
00:53:36,684 --> 00:53:38,221
And they're not all

1492
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:40,674
congruent with each other. 1 is owning of

1493
00:53:40,674 --> 00:53:42,190
less dogs and there's certainly a push for

1494
00:53:42,190 --> 00:53:44,997
that and another is more dogs, but less

1495
00:53:44,997 --> 00:53:47,387
training and more Ss. I think as well,

1496
00:53:47,786 --> 00:53:49,698
when we look at wider so many dogs

1497
00:53:49,698 --> 00:53:51,371
need this, there has to be more dog

1498
00:53:51,371 --> 00:53:53,301
trainers now. There has to be people like

1499
00:53:53,301 --> 00:53:54,578
who wear that hat and say I'm a

1500
00:53:54,578 --> 00:53:57,052
dog trainer of any kind than ever before.

1501
00:53:57,372 --> 00:53:59,287
Right? Like, because it's a really... It's a

1502
00:53:59,287 --> 00:54:02,034
growing profession I'd say that in the last

1503
00:54:02,329 --> 00:54:05,670
20, 30 years, it's become a totally recognized

1504
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:07,523
job. Like you speak about how your grandmother

1505
00:54:07,674 --> 00:54:09,668
when you became a dog trainer And were,

1506
00:54:09,748 --> 00:54:11,105
like, this is what I was do was

1507
00:54:11,105 --> 00:54:12,541
like, no. That's not a real job. Oh,

1508
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:14,636
she was horrified. But now

1509
00:54:14,949 --> 00:54:16,808
That's a really clearly recognizable

1510
00:54:17,267 --> 00:54:19,345
a profession. Yeah. You can be a highly

1511
00:54:19,345 --> 00:54:21,183
professional person. You can make a lot of

1512
00:54:21,183 --> 00:54:23,820
money. There's multimillion millionaire dog trainers. There's ads

1513
00:54:23,820 --> 00:54:25,433
that keep coming up in feed to become

1514
00:54:25,433 --> 00:54:26,869
a 7 figure dog trainer.

1515
00:54:28,067 --> 00:54:30,620
So like, it can happen. It's a job

1516
00:54:30,620 --> 00:54:31,498
that you can make a lot of money

1517
00:54:31,498 --> 00:54:33,348
from. There's lots of people do it. I've

1518
00:54:33,348 --> 00:54:34,539
spoken about in the past. I think that

1519
00:54:34,539 --> 00:54:36,446
we all owe Sees Milan debt of gratitude

1520
00:54:36,446 --> 00:54:38,590
for that. I think that that show put

1521
00:54:38,590 --> 00:54:40,656
into the psyche of the average person that

1522
00:54:40,656 --> 00:54:42,183
you should get a person to your home

1523
00:54:42,183 --> 00:54:43,859
to assist you with your dog or So

1524
00:54:43,859 --> 00:54:45,536
like, there's a lot to that. There's a

1525
00:54:45,536 --> 00:54:46,972
lot of things going on in this space

1526
00:54:46,972 --> 00:54:49,526
where I believe that there's more trainers now

1527
00:54:49,526 --> 00:54:49,925
than ever.

1528
00:54:50,498 --> 00:54:52,650
Pet ownership is probably at its highest,

1529
00:54:53,128 --> 00:54:55,598
as well as the number of reactive and

1530
00:54:55,598 --> 00:54:57,749
problem dogs that we're seeing is higher, and

1531
00:54:57,749 --> 00:54:59,661
that's gotta be multifaceted. They can't be a

1532
00:54:59,661 --> 00:55:01,692
single answer to that. Right? And I think

1533
00:55:01,751 --> 00:55:03,746
that way that people treat their dogs, the

1534
00:55:03,746 --> 00:55:05,662
way that dogs are being bread, the way

1535
00:55:05,662 --> 00:55:08,137
that we're living with dogs, like in urban

1536
00:55:08,137 --> 00:55:09,746
areas and that's sort of stuff. Like, over

1537
00:55:09,746 --> 00:55:10,464
the last 30 years,

1538
00:55:11,261 --> 00:55:14,210
urbanization has changed significantly. Mh Although I'll admit,

1539
00:55:14,289 --> 00:55:15,325
like, say sydney,

1540
00:55:15,803 --> 00:55:16,521
the city,

1541
00:55:17,094 --> 00:55:18,849
I grew up only a few kilometers from

1542
00:55:18,849 --> 00:55:21,164
where I live now. I was gone for

1543
00:55:21,164 --> 00:55:22,121
a period while was in the miami army,

1544
00:55:22,281 --> 00:55:24,117
but I've lived there, you know, mostly my

1545
00:55:24,117 --> 00:55:24,516
whole life.

1546
00:55:25,169 --> 00:55:26,446
In the area in which I leave, nothing's

1547
00:55:26,446 --> 00:55:27,345
has really changed

1548
00:55:27,722 --> 00:55:29,398
dramatically is there's a few new freeway, few

1549
00:55:29,398 --> 00:55:31,952
new buildings, but it's mostly the same, but

1550
00:55:31,952 --> 00:55:34,762
the number of dog ownership has definitely increased

1551
00:55:34,762 --> 00:55:36,519
in that space. So now there's like a

1552
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:38,996
pie population of people using the same small

1553
00:55:38,996 --> 00:55:41,722
spaces for their dogs, we're encountering each other

1554
00:55:41,722 --> 00:55:43,313
more than we probably have in the past

1555
00:55:43,313 --> 00:55:45,463
with dogs because limited spaces to go. So

1556
00:55:45,542 --> 00:55:47,315
I think it's a very much a multi

1557
00:55:47,373 --> 00:55:49,442
facet problems that we face.

1558
00:55:50,094 --> 00:55:51,367
But I think to your point,

1559
00:55:52,003 --> 00:55:54,072
correct me if I understanding correctly is that

1560
00:55:54,072 --> 00:55:56,538
your concern is, like, yes. This is probably

1561
00:55:56,538 --> 00:55:59,656
happening from pharmaceutical companies that are tried to

1562
00:55:59,656 --> 00:56:01,566
maximize profits by getting as many dogs onto

1563
00:56:01,566 --> 00:56:03,556
the things as possible. A way to do

1564
00:56:03,556 --> 00:56:06,102
that is to reduce the instance of balance

1565
00:56:06,102 --> 00:56:08,091
training, which is probably gonna be more effective

1566
00:56:08,091 --> 00:56:10,992
at treating these sorts of things. Mh. The...

1567
00:56:11,367 --> 00:56:12,958
Of that is being done by people who

1568
00:56:12,958 --> 00:56:15,185
don't... This is your concern. Yes. It's a

1569
00:56:15,185 --> 00:56:16,003
concern. The

1570
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:18,250
of us

1571
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:21,769
as balance trainers is being done by people

1572
00:56:22,070 --> 00:56:24,630
who are bought into the idea like they

1573
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:25,030
believe,

1574
00:56:25,444 --> 00:56:27,437
and they don't realize... Yeah. They don't understand.

1575
00:56:27,676 --> 00:56:30,386
They don't understand that they've been porn Yeah

1576
00:56:30,386 --> 00:56:32,140
the they are and pop. They are the

1577
00:56:32,140 --> 00:56:34,228
puppet of somebody else. Right. And it doesn't

1578
00:56:34,228 --> 00:56:36,806
really matter which 1 of those profits is

1579
00:56:37,105 --> 00:56:37,904
controlling the strings.

1580
00:56:38,463 --> 00:56:40,860
All of them have a bad outcome for

1581
00:56:40,860 --> 00:56:42,713
them. So if it's a pharmaceutical companies just

1582
00:56:42,713 --> 00:56:44,630
want more dogs on, that's not good for

1583
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:46,308
dogs, that's not good for training in general.

1584
00:56:46,628 --> 00:56:49,599
And if it's Peter that just want less

1585
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,599
pet ownership, that's not good for them either.

1586
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:52,819
So they're

1587
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:53,699
potentially

1588
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:56,650
being led down the garden path by people

1589
00:56:56,650 --> 00:56:59,829
who don't actually align their interest don't align.

1590
00:56:59,988 --> 00:57:02,213
But in this moment, the enemy of my

1591
00:57:02,213 --> 00:57:04,557
enemy is my friend, But then when that

1592
00:57:04,616 --> 00:57:06,849
is taken out, then what happens?

1593
00:57:07,408 --> 00:57:08,923
I promise this wasn't gonna be a Covid

1594
00:57:09,003 --> 00:57:11,077
Joe, and it's not really about Covid, It's

1595
00:57:11,077 --> 00:57:13,070
just about altering behavior.

1596
00:57:13,723 --> 00:57:15,792
Reason I bring this up is because it

1597
00:57:15,792 --> 00:57:18,338
upsets me to quite a degree. The manipulation

1598
00:57:18,338 --> 00:57:20,009
that went on board with this. And I

1599
00:57:20,009 --> 00:57:22,658
look at some dear friends around the world

1600
00:57:22,889 --> 00:57:24,566
that when I spoke to about this. I

1601
00:57:24,566 --> 00:57:25,864
had to be really careful

1602
00:57:26,322 --> 00:57:26,822
about

1603
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,137
not disclosing that I wasn't vaccinated

1604
00:57:29,595 --> 00:57:31,830
because of how ferocious they were,

1605
00:57:32,403 --> 00:57:35,036
about holding the line on vaccination. I thought

1606
00:57:35,036 --> 00:57:36,971
to myself, it's incredible

1607
00:57:37,587 --> 00:57:39,820
of a person that I believe was so

1608
00:57:39,820 --> 00:57:41,335
comprehensively open minded.

1609
00:57:41,828 --> 00:57:43,739
That is now holding this hard line,

1610
00:57:44,376 --> 00:57:47,241
and I could possibly end my friendship with

1611
00:57:47,241 --> 00:57:49,947
this person over 1 reveal Of just saying

1612
00:57:50,106 --> 00:57:50,686
I'm un.

1613
00:57:51,061 --> 00:57:53,894
Mh. The sad thing about it, the horrifying

1614
00:57:54,114 --> 00:57:56,275
thing about it is the amount of those

1615
00:57:56,275 --> 00:57:57,175
people now

1616
00:57:57,555 --> 00:57:59,015
who have come back to me

1617
00:57:59,329 --> 00:58:02,121
in subsequent months after it finished and said

1618
00:58:02,121 --> 00:58:03,638
to me, I wish I never got this

1619
00:58:03,638 --> 00:58:05,712
fucking thing in the first place. I wish

1620
00:58:05,872 --> 00:58:06,531
I wish

1621
00:58:07,003 --> 00:58:09,786
I didn't fall victim to the propaganda, and

1622
00:58:09,866 --> 00:58:11,297
I wish if I had my time again,

1623
00:58:11,376 --> 00:58:12,649
and I could go back in time, and

1624
00:58:12,728 --> 00:58:14,080
I wish I held the line and and

1625
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,068
just didn't do it. And my question to

1626
00:58:16,068 --> 00:58:18,706
them, know, because I've been spending time talking

1627
00:58:18,706 --> 00:58:21,488
to people about this. And again, hadn't revealed

1628
00:58:21,488 --> 00:58:23,396
my stance on it. I didn't wanna develop

1629
00:58:23,396 --> 00:58:23,872
a bias.

1630
00:58:24,443 --> 00:58:25,954
For all they knew I was vaccinated.

1631
00:58:26,431 --> 00:58:28,021
I just said, well, why then? And they

1632
00:58:28,021 --> 00:58:30,191
just said, I just felt there was no

1633
00:58:30,566 --> 00:58:33,349
alternative. I just felt everybody was pushing me

1634
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:36,068
in this direction. Like, I felt this urgency

1635
00:58:36,068 --> 00:58:38,136
that I had to do this or else,

1636
00:58:38,534 --> 00:58:41,054
I was gonna kill a grandparent, a child

1637
00:58:41,333 --> 00:58:43,164
lose my job, and they just felt like

1638
00:58:43,164 --> 00:58:44,757
they had to join the team. They had

1639
00:58:44,757 --> 00:58:46,668
to be part of the book burning brigade.

1640
00:58:47,225 --> 00:58:49,397
I'm sad for those people. I'm fucking

1641
00:58:49,709 --> 00:58:52,342
horrified for those people because it it upsets

1642
00:58:52,342 --> 00:58:54,496
me that that was allowed to happen and

1643
00:58:54,496 --> 00:58:56,331
people felt like they were doing the right

1644
00:58:56,331 --> 00:58:56,570
thing.

1645
00:58:57,143 --> 00:58:58,888
And that's what I feel about in the

1646
00:58:58,888 --> 00:58:59,388
same

1647
00:58:59,761 --> 00:59:01,823
scope with this topic that I'm talking about,

1648
00:59:02,061 --> 00:59:03,648
how we're being turned on, how we're being

1649
00:59:03,648 --> 00:59:06,383
villainous eyes has been the enemy in this

1650
00:59:06,597 --> 00:59:07,097
conversation

1651
00:59:07,469 --> 00:59:09,372
and realizing that people may be listening to

1652
00:59:09,372 --> 00:59:11,672
this and saying, Glen, you're defending a position

1653
00:59:11,672 --> 00:59:13,599
here. You're defending your right to be a

1654
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:15,991
balance trainer. It goddamn damn fucking right. I

1655
00:59:15,991 --> 00:59:18,383
am. And I always have. I've held this

1656
00:59:18,383 --> 00:59:20,717
line. I remember distinctly

1657
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:23,590
A person in the industry many years ago

1658
00:59:23,590 --> 00:59:25,110
said to me, you know you could be

1659
00:59:25,110 --> 00:59:27,349
a much wealthier person in the dog training

1660
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:29,110
space if you only shut your fucking mouth.

1661
00:59:30,163 --> 00:59:31,380
For many years

1662
00:59:31,838 --> 00:59:34,251
that sat with me. And I just thought

1663
00:59:34,548 --> 00:59:36,700
I don't like being controlled by people because

1664
00:59:36,780 --> 00:59:39,026
I realized what control is and I talk

1665
00:59:39,026 --> 00:59:41,096
about it freely and openly about the illusion

1666
00:59:41,096 --> 00:59:43,485
of control. And I realize how people have

1667
00:59:43,485 --> 00:59:46,373
done. I've been controlled, and I've been manipulated

1668
00:59:46,843 --> 00:59:48,755
I've being puppet here to do things for

1669
00:59:48,755 --> 00:59:50,588
people. You know, like when I talked with

1670
00:59:50,588 --> 00:59:52,580
you before, some of my karate instructors and

1671
00:59:52,580 --> 00:59:54,510
so forth. When I've looked at those people

1672
00:59:54,510 --> 00:59:56,909
when I basically given them the keys to

1673
00:59:56,909 --> 00:59:59,230
operate me and saying, I will do your

1674
00:59:59,230 --> 00:59:59,469
bidding.

1675
01:00:00,510 --> 01:00:01,010
Fortunately,

1676
01:00:01,549 --> 01:00:01,949
for me.

1677
01:00:02,684 --> 01:00:04,762
I align myself with good people who said,

1678
01:00:05,161 --> 01:00:07,079
that's not what this is about. And you're

1679
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:09,236
listening to the wrong part of the story.

1680
01:00:09,476 --> 01:00:12,120
You're taking in what you think needs to

1681
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,382
be done. It often reminds me about how

1682
01:00:15,382 --> 01:00:17,370
people want the truth from you until you

1683
01:00:17,370 --> 01:00:19,625
give them the truth. Mh. Classic example of

1684
01:00:19,625 --> 01:00:20,824
that, I know it's a movie. Do you

1685
01:00:20,824 --> 01:00:22,184
remember the movie getting to the greek with

1686
01:00:22,344 --> 01:00:24,344
Russell Brand and Hill. Yeah. When they're in

1687
01:00:24,344 --> 01:00:26,424
the car together, Russell Brand says to Joan

1688
01:00:26,585 --> 01:00:28,114
Hill what do you think of the Album

1689
01:00:28,193 --> 01:00:29,864
African child? Be honest with me? And he

1690
01:00:29,864 --> 01:00:32,250
goes, oh, man. That album was of absolute

1691
01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:34,889
piece of shit? Because he thinks know, like

1692
01:00:35,048 --> 01:00:36,559
You thinks we're friends. You know, like you

1693
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:39,184
thinks we're friends, this is vulnerable moment. I

1694
01:00:39,184 --> 01:00:40,615
can tell you because you really wanna know.

1695
01:00:40,854 --> 01:00:42,699
I'm your friend. I can tell you. And

1696
01:00:42,699 --> 01:00:44,059
he goes, don't you talk to me like

1697
01:00:44,059 --> 01:00:45,039
that? You little

1698
01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:47,199
And he just really

1699
01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:49,019
tears strips out of him, and you can

1700
01:00:49,019 --> 01:00:50,859
see the deep level of hurt because that

1701
01:00:50,859 --> 01:00:52,875
was his art. He said he wanted of

1702
01:00:52,875 --> 01:00:54,474
the truth, but he didn't really want the

1703
01:00:54,474 --> 01:00:56,715
truth. He wanted a version of the truth.

1704
01:00:56,875 --> 01:00:58,474
He want... He wanted his truth.

1705
01:00:59,289 --> 01:01:02,553
That's what frighten me about knowing how to

1706
01:01:02,553 --> 01:01:05,123
manipulate and control behavior is how

1707
01:01:05,738 --> 01:01:07,410
we've been manipulated and controlled.

1708
01:01:08,223 --> 01:01:10,637
I guess that's the rub of the conversation

1709
01:01:10,776 --> 01:01:12,792
in getting to this very long and convoluted

1710
01:01:12,930 --> 01:01:14,446
story that I felt like I needed to

1711
01:01:14,446 --> 01:01:14,606
tell.

1712
01:01:15,258 --> 01:01:16,692
Because it's been sitting with me for so

1713
01:01:16,692 --> 01:01:18,545
long, and I've been holding back on this

1714
01:01:18,762 --> 01:01:20,116
because I've been afraid to talk about it.

1715
01:01:20,275 --> 01:01:22,425
Mh. But I think some bravery needs to

1716
01:01:22,425 --> 01:01:23,301
be shown by people.

1717
01:01:23,954 --> 01:01:25,708
And I could be wrong with this, and

1718
01:01:25,787 --> 01:01:27,621
I generally people are listening to this, and

1719
01:01:27,701 --> 01:01:28,896
I haven't lost you by now.

1720
01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:31,686
I want you to tell me if I'm

1721
01:01:31,686 --> 01:01:31,846
wrong.

1722
01:01:32,579 --> 01:01:33,938
I want you to listen to this and

1723
01:01:33,938 --> 01:01:36,255
tell me, put together a, like, a good

1724
01:01:36,255 --> 01:01:38,093
sound argument and say, no. You're off the

1725
01:01:38,093 --> 01:01:40,890
rails you're wrong. He's real evidence to support

1726
01:01:40,890 --> 01:01:43,051
it. Not something that I've just cons conflicted

1727
01:01:43,051 --> 01:01:45,275
because I've bought into the call aid, but

1728
01:01:45,275 --> 01:01:46,863
here is the evidence behind it. You're not

1729
01:01:46,863 --> 01:01:48,610
on track with what you're thinking here. Yeah.

1730
01:01:48,849 --> 01:01:50,437
Right now, I think I'm onto something.

1731
01:01:51,008 --> 01:01:53,150
I'm not the only person. I've had conversations

1732
01:01:53,150 --> 01:01:56,324
with people locally and internationally about this very

1733
01:01:56,324 --> 01:01:58,125
much thing, But... Then I think to myself

1734
01:01:58,324 --> 01:01:59,840
Am I just listening to the same tribe

1735
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,994
of people, Have I just been echo chamber?

1736
01:02:02,234 --> 01:02:04,708
Have I created a echo chamber? It's been

1737
01:02:04,708 --> 01:02:07,354
alluded to many times Robert Top upholstery talks

1738
01:02:07,354 --> 01:02:09,186
about it in his books and when he's

1739
01:02:09,186 --> 01:02:11,654
been talking online that you only need a

1740
01:02:11,654 --> 01:02:13,247
small amount of convincing for you to believe

1741
01:02:13,247 --> 01:02:14,521
that you're on the right track sometimes.

1742
01:02:15,175 --> 01:02:16,934
All you need is just 1 friendly person

1743
01:02:16,934 --> 01:02:18,614
to say, no I'm buying into a glen

1744
01:02:18,614 --> 01:02:21,015
you're right, You're the messiah. You've been right

1745
01:02:21,015 --> 01:02:22,855
all along. I don't wanna be that person

1746
01:02:22,855 --> 01:02:24,940
in I don't wanna be easily led on

1747
01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:27,170
that and just cons script a story in

1748
01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:30,115
my head and also influence other people to

1749
01:02:30,115 --> 01:02:31,801
think like that if I map absolutely wrong

1750
01:02:31,801 --> 01:02:33,708
on this. If I've derailed myself and I'm

1751
01:02:33,708 --> 01:02:36,252
off tangent. But I just cannot explain some

1752
01:02:36,252 --> 01:02:38,318
of these things, it doesn't make sense to

1753
01:02:38,318 --> 01:02:38,477
me,

1754
01:02:39,129 --> 01:02:41,201
I feel like I'm in the matrix, sometimes,

1755
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,535
when I look around the world that's become

1756
01:02:43,672 --> 01:02:44,948
from the world On I knew. I just

1757
01:02:44,948 --> 01:02:46,223
feel like I'm out of touch with it

1758
01:02:46,223 --> 01:02:48,703
and something happened stick, and I just can't

1759
01:02:48,703 --> 01:02:49,759
find the logical

1760
01:02:50,449 --> 01:02:52,989
explanation to know how and why is this

1761
01:02:52,989 --> 01:02:54,815
happening? And how is it allowed to be

1762
01:02:54,815 --> 01:02:55,132
happening?

1763
01:02:56,338 --> 01:02:59,287
Well, it's an interesting topic. Hopefully. Well, yeah,

1764
01:02:59,447 --> 01:03:00,244
It's worth pondering.

1765
01:03:00,802 --> 01:03:02,475
And if you're willing to take feedback on

1766
01:03:02,475 --> 01:03:03,830
that. I think that we should open it

1767
01:03:03,830 --> 01:03:05,285
up to the people who have made it

1768
01:03:05,285 --> 01:03:06,724
through the show and got to this point.

1769
01:03:07,285 --> 01:03:09,204
We've got the Facebook discussion group, that's a

1770
01:03:09,204 --> 01:03:10,805
place where people can discuss this seventeenth fifteenth.

1771
01:03:10,965 --> 01:03:12,724
If they think that you're totally off base,

1772
01:03:12,885 --> 01:03:14,811
if there's a wait of evidence to go

1773
01:03:14,811 --> 01:03:16,004
somewhere. I don't need to be rude about

1774
01:03:16,004 --> 01:03:17,594
it either. Like let me make. I get

1775
01:03:17,594 --> 01:03:19,503
a real conversation. This is not to offend

1776
01:03:19,503 --> 01:03:22,047
you or anybody else. I'm not throwing anybody

1777
01:03:22,047 --> 01:03:23,972
into the barbecue over this. What I am

1778
01:03:23,972 --> 01:03:26,843
saying is, this is where I've got to

1779
01:03:26,843 --> 01:03:29,554
right now, change my mind. Okay. What's the

1780
01:03:29,554 --> 01:03:30,910
name of the guy who was famous for

1781
01:03:30,910 --> 01:03:33,558
that? Stephen Cra, Stephen Cra. Yeah. Change my

1782
01:03:33,558 --> 01:03:34,996
mind. I'm willing to have my mind change.

1783
01:03:35,236 --> 01:03:36,914
I'm accepting of that. If a group of

1784
01:03:36,914 --> 01:03:39,310
people or somebody who's not cons inspiring with

1785
01:03:39,310 --> 01:03:39,790
the enemy,

1786
01:03:40,364 --> 01:03:41,964
he's willing to put up a good argument

1787
01:03:41,964 --> 01:03:44,684
and saying, here's another 50000 foot view of

1788
01:03:44,684 --> 01:03:47,005
this point. Mh. Let's have a look and

1789
01:03:47,005 --> 01:03:48,099
analyze it from these

1790
01:03:48,777 --> 01:03:50,211
specifications, then I'm I'm willing to sit down

1791
01:03:50,211 --> 01:03:51,885
and be your student. Then we get somebody

1792
01:03:51,885 --> 01:03:54,356
who has a articulate argument and you know

1793
01:03:54,356 --> 01:03:55,471
how to talk, you could come on the

1794
01:03:55,471 --> 01:03:57,398
show and and Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Be. If

1795
01:03:57,398 --> 01:03:59,388
it's interesting enough for people, but... Yeah. I

1796
01:03:59,388 --> 01:04:01,060
just feel that things have changed in a

1797
01:04:01,060 --> 01:04:03,847
weird direction. It's alien territory to me right

1798
01:04:03,847 --> 01:04:04,006
now.

1799
01:04:04,657 --> 01:04:07,994
Alright. That's it for another episode of conspiracy

1800
01:04:07,994 --> 01:04:09,265
theorist cop podcast. A different 1.

1801
01:04:11,171 --> 01:04:12,681
Hopefully, it won't turn into true crime and

1802
01:04:12,681 --> 01:04:13,872
someone will come around and kill me.

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As always, if you like what here, give

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us a like, rate, share, subscribe, do all

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that through whatever subscription service downloads from. Since

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we're talking conspiracies.

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Did you know? They don't check whether you

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listen to the podcast before you rate them

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So you really had you know? What's your?

1810
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You... Well, What's your evidence? I've seen it

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up.

1812
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You could go to another subscription service and

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leave review there. But, I mean, just do

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1. Give us 1. You can do it.

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They might not check, but it does help

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our ratings. Yeah. By listening to it. Yeah.

1817
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Yeah. And reviewing it and manually all of

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that. Yeah All of it. What it does?

1819
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Bank account too if you... Put money into.

1820
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Yeah. So the great way to support that,

1821
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and support the show is to jump to

1822
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Patreon. Yeah yep. There's a giant backlog of

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information in there, get access to all of

1824
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that for 3 bucks. See there's live streams

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that happen in different tiers. Get in there,

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Check it out. You'll see for yourself. There's

1827
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a lot of value that we try and

1828
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provide in there But more than anything you're

1829
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just supporting in the show, making sure that

1830
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we are able to continue doing it or

1831
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able to buy more cool stuff that allows

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us to continue doing it and keep the

1833
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quality of the show to the maximum that

1834
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we can get it to. I have seen

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some people jumping board recently or upping their

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subscription, so very much appreciated.

1837
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I know for some people, like, a little

1838
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bit of money is unthinkable this point in

1839
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time because governments have put us into a

1840
01:05:29,155 --> 01:05:31,074
free fall in the markets. Mh. We still

1841
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love you and appreciate you. Exactly. The other

1842
01:05:33,327 --> 01:05:34,678
way can put the shows T. You can

1843
01:05:34,678 --> 01:05:35,870
jump in into your spring. You can jump

1844
01:05:35,870 --> 01:05:36,983
in it there. Is links in the show

1845
01:05:36,983 --> 01:05:38,414
notes so you can get yourself some cool

1846
01:05:38,414 --> 01:05:39,367
merch. You've got a lot of bunch of

1847
01:05:39,367 --> 01:05:41,116
cool stuff there that was designed by cool

1848
01:05:41,116 --> 01:05:41,593
friends of ours.

1849
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You wanna get in contact with us, best

1850
01:05:43,603 --> 01:05:44,961
way to do that is jump into the

1851
01:05:45,041 --> 01:05:47,119
Facebook discussion group. And you just completely ran

1852
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:49,037
away from the Tapestry. Oh, yeah. I forgot.

1853
01:05:49,436 --> 01:05:51,329
Get a tapestry. I'm sitting here just like

1854
01:05:51,449 --> 01:05:53,207
with bait breath waiting for it, and you're

1855
01:05:53,207 --> 01:05:54,805
just like, oh, no. Let's not talk about.

1856
01:05:55,044 --> 01:05:57,441
Get it get a giant wall tapestry. Get

1857
01:05:57,441 --> 01:05:58,000
a huge.

1858
01:05:58,653 --> 01:06:02,163
Poster, a material, like a flag essentially. Yep.

1859
01:06:02,562 --> 01:06:04,715
Fly our flag like where pirates in your

1860
01:06:04,715 --> 01:06:06,390
place. So as dirty would Harry would say,

1861
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:08,225
go ahead, make monday day. Go ahead. Yep.

1862
01:06:08,638 --> 01:06:09,911
And if you wanna get in contact with

1863
01:06:09,911 --> 01:06:11,820
us, and you wanna tell Glen he's right

1864
01:06:11,820 --> 01:06:14,127
or wrong about this episode and try and

1865
01:06:14,127 --> 01:06:15,184
promote more discussion

1866
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I wanna try and be more involved in

1867
01:06:17,168 --> 01:06:19,639
that Facebook discussion group. It's something I wanna

1868
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:22,111
commit to trying to do being involved in

1869
01:06:22,111 --> 01:06:24,516
more of the conversations there. So vita c

1870
01:06:24,516 --> 01:06:26,742
and tell us what you think. And if

1871
01:06:26,742 --> 01:06:28,492
you wanna get in contact with us directly,

1872
01:06:28,651 --> 01:06:30,241
you could choose an email. We are. Info

1873
01:06:30,241 --> 01:06:32,150
at the canine paradigm dot com.

1874
01:06:32,786 --> 01:06:33,422
I love your all.

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Goodbye.