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Now, here are your hosts, Glen Cook and
Pat Stewart. And I'm lofty Fulton. And I'm
out of here. I need to tell some.
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he's star He's good. He's gonna sell you
whatever you need. Yep. You'll get it. What
you should do is contact Jason from Minds
Don't quit. Mh. With some peculiar product, telling
him me want it and make him get
it in salt to you. Even if you
could buy it somewhere else, Just make sure
he gets it in for you. Just make
that bastard work.
But in all, honesty, I'd say 90 percent
of my shit comes from him, and it's
all the best stuff. I did see some
feedback on our forum where somebody was really
intrigued about your handler package. So mother he
got from Jason. Obviously, it worked. Yeah. People
are paying attention to the daily great. Even
though we're shoot at this, We do a
terrible job of actually trying to keep things
updated. It great to see that the people
who are investing in our show are actually
getting some leeway. Yep. Might I've heard that
your wife sell some Can products. My wife
is doing great guns at the moment. I
said before that she's being supported terrific in
the United States which has been good, but
I will swing that back home and say
that so many more people in Australia are
doing it, and it's great to see, like,
there are people
finally in the sporting dog world who are
starting to prioritize
nutrition for the dogs. And I know and
I can see them when Na comes and
says, oh, I guess who bought some product
off me for the first time. So are
you saying there's no patient confidentiality? No. You're
a confidentiality. Oh, sorry. It's list confidentiality. What's
a automating list. You... Are you aware my
dog is taking pee
collagen and... What is everything takes?
Anton. Yeah. Yeah. It's been on that.
Is not Nor l's business, but I've gotta
do a shout out for. Are absolutely fan
fantastic. The very supportive of our show. Mh.
Whenever we've done seminars and so forth, they
have been first to dip their hand in
their pocket. They are very generous with their
product.
But let me just say all that aside,
their generosity and their advertising and marketing. Let
me just say on the other side of
that their product is amazing. Yeah. Like it
does work. It's very official. For sure. It's
1 of those things where they say anton
for every dog every day. I totally agree
with that. Nor has even supported that when
people have asked them about her product, she
says, the 2 things that I would absolutely
give to you is Anton and her gut
protect formula. Yeah. Gut protect is like her
holy grail. Of of a whole of the
range. This is not me market talking. Okay?
Because we are an mad. This is this
is an ad, but this is not made
to a market. But we've already pointed out
we're she at. I know. Of all the
things that she sells and she sells some
killer product, But the 1 thing that she
does sell, which I absolutely agree with her
every dog should have this product is the
gut protect. Really? A hundred percent. It's nothing
that they need for being sick. It's something
that they need to do just to maintain
great gut balance. Okay. And gut balances like
mental health That's 1 of those things that
you absolutely wanna get control around. So products
like anton, Great every day. Gut protect, great
for every day. There's other products that aren't
even related to hers called things like call
rose vital and stuff like that. Absolutely fantastic
for dogs to be on every sort day.
Mh. But I know there's other people we
need to talk about. If you wanna learn
more about Nor products, go to a website,
canine
dot com, I think it's.
I think it's till you'll figure it out.
It's dot dot au you. It's 1 of
the. No touch session anyway. Everyone just Google's
it and just Google it. You'll find it.
Hey. Yeah. George. Alright, wish she get him
on the show. We should have George On
the show. Not only is he devilish handsome.
Yep. But he's got a fantastic
1 of a kind product that I've never
seen replicated anywhere in the world. You or
me, we're getting a car ride by him.
We got to the prototype first hand. And
then he's bike got stolen with the prototype
box. Over that? Yes. Yeah. But anyway, George
has Rowdy had dog box. So it's a
crate that goes on the vacuum motorbike. That
you don't can go over with you. Yeah
it's cool shit. It's a great idea. You
should totally get 1. Taylor canine in Canada.
Yeah. Do you know that Taylor? From Tele
is hosting Jazz W later in the year?
I do know that. Yeah. So I saw
the ad. Very good. Yep. So only she
doing great stuff with her
Tailored canine. Her training business, training business, but
she's also getting a fantastic trainer over there
to help with her tailored training. Cheers. And
finally, mh. Barber Groot. The sugar mama from
the heart dog trainer heart dog trainer. Fucking
throws cash at just supports the show God
bless. Yeah. I think later on the year
when And I are over doing a seminar
with Melanie Ben. Barbara D group is coming
over.
I think she has put down a a
like, and I said you better come sugar
mama and she gave me a thumbs up.
So hopefully, she's gonna be there, and I
can give her some love to repay us
for all the kindness and support that she's
thrown At and asked nothing in return. Alright.
That's our ad. Yeah. That one's good to
go for at least another 4 years. We'll
hear from us then.
Welcome back to the Can Paradigm. Your host,
Pat stewart. I'm joined in studio today by
my c. Glen? Hello, sir, and hello, everybody
out there in Internet land. How are you?
I'm good. Well, we've got a topic. We
have. Couple of days ago. Mh. It was
a couple of days ago yesterday. Yesterday. We
was.
Before we put this podcast out. Yeah. Not
for people listening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
we were live with Bill Church, bow our
bill he asked us to come on, took
some scheduling, but we figured out a time,
and we did it. And the 3 of
us 3 guys at microphones talked over each
other for 3 hours.
We didn't do too bad. Yeah. We did
it considering. We did alright. I remember many
years ago.
Brent Dry actually reached out to me and
he said, hey, Dude. There's times where other
people are talking and you just like cut
them off. That resonated with me, like, Anytime
Brent speaks to me. I know Brent speaking
to me from the heart. That's just who
he is with people. I never took it
offensive. I took it constructively. And I thought,
yeah. I don't wanna do that to people,
and I don't wanna be that guy. Mh.
Now when people are talking, I spend more
time listening to what they have to say.
And what they're talking about because
there are conversations that I'm involved in where
people are sharing really interesting information. Mh And
rather than
listening with the intent to reply, which I
find a lot of people do. They have
this which is neutral. It is, And they
have this urgency to just speak over the
top of you. When that's happening, you're not
really invested in the conversation. You're invested in
what you have to say. Mh, That hit
home. I thought about that, and I considered
that. So when you made the comment the
other day, it's 3 guys gonna talk over
each other on microphone. I thought, let's not
do that. If somebody talking, they're having a
good runner at, and if the topic is
interesting,
let that person have their run and talk
about what they're talking about and listen to
what they've gotta say because you might learn
something, and it might be relevant to your
partition in the conversation as well. Speaking of
people having their run of talking. Yep. You
in probably the middle portion of that. Yeah
people wanted to go back and listen. Started
talking about the effect of pharmaceutical companies on
the dog world.
And it's something that we've sort of touched
on before because we've talked about the over
prescription of I's to dogs. Yep. We've talked
about how famously, there's some veterinary behavior that
we're aware of that have based written the
prescription before you even sit down. Mh. It
certainly is a bug bear of many dog
trainers
because clearly it's outside of our wheelhouse. So
1 of the tricky parts I've always found
is when you turn up to someone's house
and they tell you the dogs on med,
And they say, well, do you think the
dog needs meds. It's a tricky answer because
just, like, I'm not an expert in this
stuff. And I can say, well, I think
that this is a behavioral issue. And I
think that... We can fix this. Like the
anxiety that is being caused here that we're
treating with meds has actually caused by if
got this dollar a lot of options. You're
inconsistent in the way that you show things.
You're giving the dog really high payoffs for
inconsistent things, so the dog doesn't know where
to find its advantage and therefore frantic over
that. And so a lot of the times,
I've found myself saying to people well, if
this were my dog,
I would never have occurred to me to
even begin with meds. But I can't tell
you not to take these meds, and even
the path to going off these meds. That's
a whole thing You can't just cut these
door law. Right? And so these are the
sorts of things that
outside of my wheelhouse, whereas the training of
it, plenty of times in my life. People
have said my dogs on meds at because
of this if issue. And I am I'm
faced with the position where I say, well,
I've tried that same issue, plenty of times
with the out use of meds. And similarly,
like, I'm about to do the same thing
with your dog. But now we're in a
position where we go. Well, the meds knocked
the edge off it, and you were able
to train it. Isn't an easy answer Yeah.
And the problem is I think as well,
those
situations absolutely do exist. And I think probably
only 3 times, I can remember saying to
owner of a dog, like, hey, I'm out
of my debts. Like, this isn't working. The
way that I think it should work. 1
time that really sticks in my mind you
know, like I can remember the smell in
the room, You know, was like, a very
strong memory of me looking at this kelp
that was just a fucking mess.
And every trick that I had about trying
to get into this dog's head was not
working. Mh and I saying the owner, hey,
this isn't a dog trainer issue. This is
a veterinary and
behavioral issue. You've gotta go see someone, which
is a responsible thing to do. Yeah. And
so I've only done that a few times.
I think I can only remember doing if
3 times. That's not to say Haven't done
it more times. But 1 in 1 in
particular, where I was like, oh, I don't
know what the fuck is happening here. I'm
out of my dad and it wasn't early
in my career that like, it was at
a time where I really was effectively training
many dogs and this 1 was beyond me.
We've had a history of talking about meds
on the show, and the influence that they
have on dogs and for sure that we
believe that... And I think most dog trainers
sort of to an extent degree that there's
an over prescription of meds.
You had sort of an interesting take on
that that you brought up during Bill show.
Before we get into this, I just wanna
side step into another story. Where I feel
now it's a safe enough time to discuss
it without the backlash that I would have
got years ago. Who did?
I never got vaccinated during the entire Covid
process. U. I have told people. I've told
groups of colleagues and friends. It cost me
some friendships.
Because of most of our listeners outside of
Australia. Yep. It's worth pointing out the vaccination
rate in Australia was in the 90 percent.
Yeah. I was here because we'll forced to.
Yep. Even though they said it's at your
choice. Yeah. But you would lose your job,
you couldn't go anywhere. Yep. Allowed a fly.
Weren't allowed of travel. Weren't allowed to have
the freedoms of a human being. Yeah. And
the stores that you could go into was
even limited. Right? So, like, you could go
into, as supermarket. I'm not or coffee shops
so, but not even like Jb Hi. Like
to get into, like, an electronic store, like
a special store. They're like, no You don't
need to be in here. Yeah. You buy
your food un fascinated, but you can't fucking
enter. Was that the case? Or was it
even that you can go into the supermarket.
No. You can go to the supermarket. Yeah.
Okay. What a wild time to live through?
I know We've said this a myriad of
times, but what a wild time to live
through where
I never imagined that I would see something
like that in my life. I thought I'd
see a significant war and we have seen
wars. You've been in wars,
But I thought I'd say and still possibly
will, see a significant war front, but never
a biological
threat. Mh. Where we would be forcibly
held captive in our homes and then told
it was for our benefits, and then having
all local governments
around the world, then following
a same narrative everywhere they were going. Mh.
It was just incredible to watch them literally
fashion,
saying the same thing over and over again.
And for me, and many of my family
and some of my colleagues. We all felt
the same way. Like, I just thought to
myself, something's not right here. I don't feel
good about this. I slowly revealed to other
people outside that circle. I'm not getting get
vaccinated. I'm not gonna have it done. And
some people were starting to hit me with
the... Oh, you're an
You're a conspiracy theorist, all the insults that
they were trading, and they were coming fast
and furious from a few people. And I
was overwhelmed with the fact that people that
I've known for many, many years
were sa me about that and saying, well,
I don't want you killing my children or
my grandparents.
I said to them, I've had Covid, and
I lived. My doctor even said to me,
he was forcibly trying to vaccinate me. I
went there. He was... Putting pressure on me
left right and Sarah said, you better get
this done or else you may join the
list of fatalities. And I said would you
put your house on that comment? And he
goes, what do you mean? I said, in
3 years time, when not all this is
over when they're saying it's gonna be over.
And I said, because the governments are indicating
that it's gonna be over in 20 23.
And I don't know how they know that,
but they're all saying at Alan Joyce from
Qantas was saying it. That's an interesting thing
that Alan Joyce who's subsequently been fired, but,
or had to leave Qantas because he did
such a fucking terrible job. Yep. He said
right when they shut down the airlines, that
that would be shut internationally until 20 23.
Right. In the comment on air. Yeah. They
were all saying Daniel Andrews was saying that
he goes, Gonna lock you up till 20
23 so that they had this number in
mind, which made me think
how do they know this? Mh right back
then in 20 20 Do they know this?
How do they know that 20 23 is
the magic number where Covid just gonna disappear?
How do they know this? How For me,
I'm not an in any way shape or
form. I've had so many fucking vaccinations. I've
got scars from vaccines that I've had from
a kid. I regularly get fitness vaccines. I'm
not an.
I don't even subscribe to that. And I
didn't try and stop people from getting the
vaccine. It I said to them, I've got
reservations. I don't feel right there's something resonating
deep within my soul that this isn't right.
I just don't trust this system, and I
don't really trust what's going on here. So
I decided that I wasn't gonna do it,
and I was going to suffer the negative
punishment that they were putting down on us.
Like all... Things that we talk about as
dog trainers. As and I'm revealing something which
is quite a depth of vulnerability here. And
there still might be people that hear this
now. I might be angry with me in
thinking you're tricks is for not doing this
then. You're a disease rat. Yeah.
But I've had Covid. Right? And that's what
I said to my doctor. I? I had
Covid. I've had it twice.
So I've had 2 significant forms of Covid.
I had Alpha Covid and I had omni
Covid. So I've had some pretty heavy bout
with Covid and never died. I got sick.
I didn't like it, and it's not that
I don't believe in Covid. I fully believe
in Covid. I always believed in Covid. I
believed it was real thing. I never believed
it started in a wet market in Wuhan.
Mh. I'd never believed that at all. I
believe that it was man made construct in
the lab, but that's my theory.
Don't want this to become the Covid show
because I'm quite frankly I'm sick fucking tired
talking about it. What I'm talking about is
my concern with the power
that was
misused against us. And the control mechanisms that
were put inside and how it's changed us
as a society. Like, I can see
significant change in the way that people interact
with each other, the mistrust that people have
with each other since Covid. It's forged a
new
society. What we were before Covid is not
what we are on the other side of
it. A good example of that, Ia is
completely different Mh from what it was pre
Covid to what it is post Covid. Even
traveling around the world doesn't seem the same
anymore. It doesn't seem like the joyous thing
it used to be. Like, there were so
many different things. I'm not saying it's the
Folder or anything. I'm just saying this is
a result of... There was massive change to
all sorts of every structure that I am
going back to normal. That's right. It never
really
reset properly. And we're we're all enjoying the
freedoms and people might say, well, that's because
everyone got vaccinated you fall. But now, I've
got friends who have I've got genuine injury
from vaccines. Mh. I've got people and family,
my chiropractor, and so forth who have I've
got vaccine related injury.
And most of them will say, that's not
true that's just something that they had beforehand,
but now Astra
has come forward and saying, yeah, well, it's
true that people will possibly get blood clots.
Mh. Now they're owning up to it. Now
it's starting to come out of the wood
work. Now imagine that. Imagine the fucking horror
of that,
of trusting the people who are pushing you
and using negative punishment against you and betray
you and forcing you to get it and
saying they're safe they're safe safe, all your
government leaders. They're safe. They're safe. They're safe.
Fucking puppets with a hand up their ass.
Mh. Telling you they're safe. Now they're saying,
oh,
Sorry. You've got the vaccine that causes some
issues, but it's a very small chance of
that happening. How do you know whether you're
the fucking unlucky rule that number that comes
up in that. Mh.
Anyway, I decided not to do it. Many
of my family decided not to do it.
What I was very fortunate about was that
I was in a good group of people
who decided not to do it, you know,
like, if everybody else wants to do this.
And as I said, when I opened up
in this whole conversation, I didn't say it
to people either way. I didn't say you
should get vaccinated or you shouldn't get vaccinated.
I just said, it's your body. It's your
temple. You decide what's best for you. And
I knew people that said, I wanna go
overseas or I wanna see my parents or
anything like that. So I'm gonna go and
get the vaccine. Now does said do it
makes you feel right. And then they would
say, doesn't that make you feel like you
should do it. And I said there is
a side of me that thinks. This is
a fast track to getting the things I
want, and I said, but I also know
how negative punishment works as well. I'm confused.
At the world narrative that you don't have
to get this, but, yes, you really do.
Because we'll take everything away from you if
you don't. So I said... It's an ultimate
game of punishment. So now I get into
the original topic now that we've gotten away
from that whole discussion, and I've really been
looking at the incredible change that's happened in
my dog training experience and how we've suddenly
got into this narrative
where we've become the enemy. In the lens
of many of these people around the world.
The balance trainers is, the people who are
continuing and holding the hard line that we
wanna use tools. We're becoming an enemy in
the public arena.
And that's confusing to me.
Because when I look at it as where
the savior is. Mh. We're good people where
people who really deeply care about the well
being
and the livelihood of many of the dogs
that we're working with. And I think about
the aches and pains of my body, like
the genuine aches and pains that I have
in my hands and my arms,
my shoulders, everything like that. For all the
dogs that I've been managing handling working with
the clients that I've been sweating over the
genuine tears that I've shared for them and
their dogs like genuinely, crying over other people's
dogs because I'm fucking so frustrated about the
shit they've had to go through whether it
is. Dog training can be so rich and
so rewarding, yet it can be so psychologically
bending at times, where it can either break
you or can bend you so hard, you
can see the splinter forming in your yourself.
I think the whole animal industry is like
that. Rather, Why Shut high
suicide rates amongst vets. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.
That whole concept, it's super frustrating to me
that when you perceive that what you've done
in your life's work or even a large
part of your life when you're dedicating that
time to them, why then are government's turning
against us. And they are, because they're making
up laws to take tools away from people
and literally,
that's a admission that we're bad people? Because
why would you wanna use at tool that
we wanna and we think is horrible in
cruel with no real research put into it.
It's just the vin indication of
the popular percentage. It just doesn't make sense
to me. So then I started really looking
at it. And as I was talking to
you when we're outside before before we switch
the mic on, there's 2 quotes that I
often think about all the time. These resonate
in my head quite regularly, and it did
with Covid, it came up a lot of
the times during Covid, and it's also
in business as well.
That is. If you really wanna know who
owns you, find out who you can't criticize.
Mh. You don't have to go too far
up the chain to work out what happens
when you criticize certain people because things can
happen to you. You can lose your job,
you can lose your house, you can sometimes
lose your life. Depending on what country you
are, where you are. People do have control
over you. The other quote was if you
wanna know where something's is going, follow the
money trail. The remarkable thing is I keep
thinking about.
How come
these people are so adamant about it. Is
it because they've been conditioned and trained to
do it? Or is it because
there is an for this group of people
that they basically think to themselves. I own
this massive company now. I'm the Ceo or
I'm a shareholder or whatever I am in
a position of authority or movement or responsibility
within an an organization. So just a step
slightly to the right of that you and
I are both business owners. Well Nor mattel
a business owner. I work for a business.
You know, It's my job to generate income
and service clients for a company and that's
what I've been doing for many years. You're
on your own mh. Business person. You've got
your business your courses.
You tell me As a business owner, really,
what is the ultimate goal of your business?
Wow, mine is kinda different because I have
weird issues with money, but you've still would
to survive right. Yeah. Like the business has
to be profitable. Right. So ultimately, and I'm
not trying to trap you into. Ring with
me. It's common. Mh. When I think about
Nor company,
She's doing everything that I know of as
ethical as she possibly can be. She's being
as transparent as she possibly can be with
everybody. Apart from telling everybody exactly what her
ratios are, because that's that's proprietary. That's proprietary.
Right? That's not that she doesn't want people
not. She's telling people exactly what's in it.
Just not how to blend it and and
do it. What she's doing is basically saying,
hey, Here's everything that's in in the product.
Here's white papers of science that support what
I'm saying to you. I mentioned that when
we were in the interview with Bill as
well. Like, it's not me once again just
trying to do a marketing thing from Nor
morale because I'm looking at it from an
ethical standpoint and what she's trying to do.
The only people that she really has to
suffice in this is mainly herself and me.
So we need to look at it from
a
point as well. There's no point in doing
this, a if the product shit and you're
hurting animals or hurting whoever you're trying to
look after or be if you're losing money.
So if you're looking at designing a company,
And the reason why most companies go out
of business within the first 5 years is
because people aren't thoughtful enough about it. They
just think I just wanna start a business.
I'm gonna get out there and I'm gonna
get a website. And I'm gonna do all
these fancy things, and then they throw a
whole bunch of cash behind it, and it
might be an absolutely brilliant idea. It might
not have been marketed well. Or it might
be that they just can't raise the capital
that they need in the time that they
need it. So I've known people that they
were literally going to be the next great
thing in whatever industry they were gonna be
in. But they just couldn't raise the capital
in time. They literally ran themselves out of
money and that's why it fell apart. It
wasn't that that the product was no good.
It was just that the timing was... Yeah.
Usually fell apart a cash flow problem. It's
a cash flow problem. That's exactly right.
Let's look at this from a broad scale
where we're not talking thousands of dollars or
hundreds of thousands of dollars or even low
millions of dollar. But we're talking about multiples
of billions, even trillions of dollars.
The idea is still exactly the same.
Except on a mask
where you've got a appeal to private equity
who are funding you or you've got appeal
to shareholders,
or God forbid who knows who? Mh. But
those people are still driving you and saying,
this year, and next year are pretty much
parallel
on a financial scale. What are you gonna
do to drive up profits? Like, how are
you going to make sure
that the next financial year is showing
between a 5 and a 12 percent gain
in profit. Yeah. How are you gonna do
that for me? Before you carry on, it's
something that we have talked about on the
show, but it's something I didn't really understand
until relatively recently, and it's worth explaining is
that once a company is public, like, you
can buy shares in it. Yep. It has
to
keep creating a profit. And not just a
profit, more profit every quarter than a 1
before.
Otherwise, why would you buy shares in that
company? Like, why would you put money into
it? And then if they don't turn a
profit and they do that, say multiple, quarters
in a row. 2 quarter in a row.
It's only 2 quarters. Yeah. Then what's gonna
happen is people who hold those shares are
gonna sell those shares and have fucking enormous
company can fall apart in seconds. Mh. If
that happens. And we spoke about this briefly
on the show in the past that's why
we sort of scramble to get a mailing
list going because Facebook
didn't turn a profit for a quarter. Mh.
And not too many people were understood what
a huge deal that was. Now it was
because they over invested in the Ocular system
like there was a reason and they justified
it. But it's a big deal. Netflix, for
example
didn't turn a profit, and they said that
maybe everybody who's ever gonna get Netflix has
gotten Netflix. And that nearly collapsed Netflix. Because
then all the investors are like, well, why
would I keep my money here? I'm gonna
pull my money out as quickly as possible,
and then all the shares suddenly worth nothing
because everybody's selling them and the company can
collapse. So like, that really can happen. It
it took me a long time to understand
that. It's only in the last 5 years
that I've actually
understood that a multi billion dollar company
can fall apart in a day. If there's
a run on selling the shares. And if
everybody decides to getting out on the same
day, it's far, The stock can tank and
therefore the company can collapse very very quickly.
If you ever wanna see how
markets can be easily manipulated. There's 2 good
movies that I recommend you have a look
at One's called the big short. Mh. And
the other 1, the recent 1 it was
on Netflix. I can't remember the name, but
it's about the company games in the United
States
fascinating. Yeah. And absolutely discuss sting, the people
behind the scenes who are literally trying to
fuck everybody over, how they were trying to
turn off the system, so they wouldn't go
broke them cells because they were basically playing
everybody. Yeah. They got caught and then a
bunch of nerds managed to rally enough people
together to turn the table. Isn't remarkable. Yeah.
But that's the thing is
I'm not talking about this in the fact
that there's no hope and you can't do
anything about it because you look at people
like, gandhi and other people around the world
who have rallied enough people power, and they've
changed history. Like, they've forcibly stopped people from
being able to lead these
industrial campaigns to fuck people over, that's primarily
what I'm trying to say. To get back
in the story, it got me thinking, they've
gotta come up with
regeneration all the time. They've gotta think of
new leads, new ways to market. An important
point as a caveat on this, once again,
as I mentioned before, and this is the
circle back to the whole point about my
vaccination story.
I'm not anti
vaccination, and I'm not anti medication, and I'm
not anti pharmaceuticals.
Some of the comments that people have to
know both about Nor. And I. Even though
the Na is highly involved in natural medicine,
and it's a very vegan and dear part
of her life. Neither 1 of us, if
we need antibiotic like if we know that
that's gonna be something that we have to
do. We'll take antibiotics. Yeah. If I know
that I need a certain type of medication
and need to be on, I'll take the
medication. Laurel will look at everything about it.
Even when she's prescribing a remedy for a
client, a dog or a person, she'll look
into it to make sure it's not gonna
be a contra
based on the medication that they've got, and
what she wants to make sure is what
she's doing is complementary to what they're doing.
And she never advises people get off this
or just do this. She says, talk to
your doctor. Mh. Make sure you're working with
your medical professional, make sure that you're following
their advice make sure that you're not gonna
hurt yourself, make sure that if you wanna
come off something that it's done with the
guidance of the person who puts you on
it in the first place.
In saying that, I need people to understand
this is that I'm like you when you
told your a first story about that kelp
that you went around and saw
and understood It was a mess, and there
was little that you could actually do with
it, and you recommended this is possibly a
time that this dog needs to be on
some form of
medication.
I heard doctor
Michelle Ras talking about it a while ago...
I've known Michelle prior to her being of.
She was introduced to me through Brent Dry
Cat. I think this was back in the
days where I first met Rihanna. Right. When
we were raising money to get a dog
for Rihanna Son. Mh. That's how First met
ray. We were doing this sort of like,
this collaboration that Brent and Cat put together.
And it was beautiful. Was a there's a
lovely gathering of dog trainers, and it was
a seminar. Group speakers. I think me, boyd,
there was lots of people there. Yeah. I
met Michelle back then. She was learning how
to be a vet. I think she'd done
Nd etf. If memory serves.
And more recently, I've been listening to her
talking on a couple of interviews that she
did where she talks about
medications Ss rise as medicine. You know, it's
medicine that some dogs need. Like most responsible
people,
she's not into the mindset that you need
to over prescribe. Mh. But if it's needed.
It's needed. Mh. And mate... I can tell
you there's certainly dogs that I've seen where
Looked at them and I thought, there's little
that I can actually do here. Yeah. I
think what we need to do is explore
medication. I think we need to look at
putting a dog on something with a behavioral
vet. And I've recommended good and thorough behavioral
vets that I know have ethics. They're not
just a sort of person who gets the
dog in the room and basically just writing
a prescription. They are taking blood tests. They're
looking at the dog. They're consulting the clients.
They're even asking me and other dog trainers
around Australia, like, what did you say? Why
did you recommend the dog come here? What's
happened. They spend time going in... With the
client? Mh. I can even say this of
my own personal doctor the same 1 who
was trying to force me to get vaccinated,
he is not fast to push me onto
antibiotics, which is quite ironic that he was
with 1 and not with the other. Mh.
But even with antibiotics, like he he'll say,
let's try it without antibiotics so we don't
create antibiotic issue, which I appreciate in him
as well. Mh. And I like that about
when I'm working with vets as well that
they're not over prescribing medication. Our own vet
does that with lady bag because she gets
a shit ton of Uti. She is reluctant
to
just put her on medication unless she needs
it unless there's nothing that she can do
to help her fight off the infection. She
needs to be on antibiotics. That's the way
things are.
Getting back to this original point that's been
frustrating me so much. I kinda looked at
it from the 50004
point of view to think to myself, Am
I being ridiculous about this? Am I just
developing a bias because I'm angry and the
tools are being taken away? And is that
really the driving force behind this? Or is
there something really in this? So I went
into Chat gp.
And I understand that Chat Gp has some
biases as well and the information which people
can say and we'll probably be thinking to
themselves they're listening back to this. Chat
Isn't perfect, and it can give you some
false narrative sometimes. And I've even subscribed to
that. But as a business model with a
lot of things that I've put in there
with Chat out on business models, The information
I've got back is remarkable. And in fact,
it saved me hundreds of hours sometimes. So
I would say over the time that I've
been using it, Of just being able to
generate some really articulate work. I asked at
this question, I've literally spent probably an hour
putting all the parameters into it. Of just
building it line by line they're like saying,
I need you to pretend that you're the
Ceo of a pharmaceutical company that you've got
shareholders you've got investors in the organization, you
need to turn a profit every quarter. You've
literally saturated the market, and it was more
for behavioral side medication. So I built the
parameters, out in it? I spent a long
time doing it. Not surprisingly at the end
where it suggested, what was the question that
you put to it? What specifically did what
was the problem it had to solve? The
problem it had to solve was what do
you need to do to ensure sur?
And a turn in profit every quarter in
regards to
selling your behavioral
modification medicines. Okay. Primarily at the end, it
started saying that it would ensure that it
worked with the collaboration of it.
Professional trainers and influencers
to canvas the market. Fundamentally,
it was building out that it would do
whatever it needed to do. To remain profitable
by influencing and collaborating
and supporting and funding a large market of
primarily
anybody it could to saturate the market with
it product. Mh. I thought to myself,
these people,
Do they understand the third parties that are
involved in this? Do they understand that perhaps
they're are born in a financial game here?
Where they're literally being controlled and manipulated and
modified
based on a model that's been set in
place to create and generate profit. No. They're
done at all. See, that's the point that
I'm thought.
That's the point that I'm dying inside on,
and that's the point where I keep sticking
on, and it's the point that I keep
becoming very sad and frustrated on because I
keep thinking why are we losing ground
when
I believe that the logical and plausible argument
that we keep putting out here and we
keep banging our heads on the table about
every single time. But I just don't think
we can fight the money. Okay. You're still
being a little bit cryptic, mh lay it
out for us what you think is happening.
Let me steal man your and say if
I understand Yeah totally what you're right.
You think that
balanced training,
effective training,
training that will limit problems in the average
pet dog, anxiety issues, let's say, damaging the
house while people are gone,
let's say, dog aggression, peculiar behaviors, all that
sort of stuff. You think that
there is a push,
from the pharmaceutical companies that create the meds
for the dogs
that they are influencing
or funding or driving
the idea that balance training shouldn't be allowed,
and they are in part behind the banning
of tools and so forth, so that training
is less effective
and therefore,
more meds are needed. Well, let me ask
you this counter question.
If you're invested in selling medication as a
third party operative,
who's the enemy to your market? Yeah. People
who make it unnecessary for dogs to have.
There you go. Yeah. And that's where I
kept coming back to all the time. So
when I kept looking at it objectively because
I kept having patched to it on my
shoulder while I was doing this because I
kept thinking When I put this to Pat
gonna fight me on this, naturally, not in
a... Yeah. But I wanna I wanna answer
questions I wanna plug all the gas. Good.
And so you should. I think the more
that I've matured in this over time, I've
learned to construct a better argument with it
and try and remove my bias from it
because I kept coming into this thinking. Okay.
I'm biased.
That's why I'm angry about this. And this
is why I'm feeling frustrated about this. I
don't believe it's a part of bias anymore.
I just can't under... Stand why I keep
losing to this. Then people who are listening
once again, because again, please believe me. I
understand how this sounds. People are going, boy,
you don't like losing. That's your problem. Mh.
It's not a matter of me losing. I
don't think I'm losing because I will still
have a job. I mean, I didn't have
to train another dog for the rest of
my life, and I can still be involved
in pick care market and still have a
job. Mh. So I'm not losing.
Yeah. Yeah. So like, to be clear on
that, your actual job here, those kennel where
the balance training exists or not. They'll still
be filled with people are still going on
the holidays. Yeah. People are still putting their
dogs. That's right. Your
sur,
your profit margins within as a company doesn't
rely on training. Training is very much This
business, training is very much. Training of Bolt.
Yeah. Training is a sideline interest that the
company likes to have. It's basically the fries
to the order. Mh. I'm not saying that
in a
dismissive way because we're a company that believes
in training. Yeah. From myself right up to
their head. They see the need for it,
they agree with it. They like the vision
of training. They always wanted to have a
on board with the company. That was never
an issue. For Let me get back to
the side of this conversation where I keep
thinking about people thinking that I'm complaining that
I'm gonna lose something. I'm worried about.
Talks in general. I'm worried about society because
I can see over that framework when you're
looking at it through the window, you can
see that the time
of how many dogs now are on medications
or medicines or pharmaceuticals or whatever you wanna
call them. There's an abundance of dogs that
come in here that are on medication.
If I
rewind the clock and go back. Let me
go back 2 decades,
you would not have seen 1 tenth of
those dogs would have been on medications, and
they would have been on medications for maybe
a virus or Mh. Something like that with...
It's fighting an infection. It wouldn't be on
behavioral
modification medicines. Yeah the man of children that
I'm seeing on behavioral modification medicines has escalated
in my timeframe frame. That's a much bigger
thing in my life timescale scale compared to
what it was. But because I'm not really
invested in the
education of children or the training of children
or knowing much about the scale of children.
I don't really have much of a window
into that, but with dogs I do. What's
alarming me if I'm making this clear, and
I feel like I'm ba a bit here
now, But what's alarming me is I feel
like we're getting things taken away from us
because we've got a controlling over overarching
monopoly who's basically directing and has a shadow
interest in stopping things
that interfere with its agenda to make profits.
As Nor has said to me in the
past, just follow the logical course of the
science behind it or look at the logical
course. And if you do look at the
logical course, I don't really feel that you
can't
understand or can't grasp, but this is actually
what's happening to us. We're being trained in
very much the same way with the same
technologies that we're training dogs. And again, that's
getting back into my original Covid. Story because
I felt like that was a massive control
and training model that was unleashed onto the
world. It's not that I don't believe in
Covid. I just can't understand how that fucking
thing happened, and then Covid just vanish from
our life and nobody cares about it anymore.
Yeah. It's like, even if you come to
work with Covid, it's like, oh, well, you
just got Covid who cares.
Even the vaccinated people who were all told,
you won't get Covid if you get the
vaccinated all got Covid.
Multiple times and they're still getting Covid. Mh,
That must be frustrating to a lot of
people. They must look at that and go,
well, why does that happen? It's also the
blind defense that comes with it and goes
here, but I'm not getting it as severe
as what I would have got it on
the other hand. I got Covid. It was
unpleasant. Didn't tickle. It hurt. But I know
people who got much sicker than I did
with Covid, much sicker. They got vaccinated 3,
4 times. Mh definitely affected individuals differently. Sure.
It did. And all diseases do I understand
that. And But I don't
understand what's happening to us. Okay. And understand
this grand change that seems to have happened
unless it's always been that way, and I've
only just become... Awaken to it. So was
I right in your opinion, what I said
of what you think? Yes. You're were. Okay.
1 thing that we've talked about We have
to confront that I'm on board... Well, let
me
take a 7. But I think that when
I look at my Facebook, when I look
at the people who are the most hardcore
conspiracy theorists. In my people that I get
to see talk about what they're into. A
lot of dog trainers are conspiracy theorists. And
I've had this conversation with Jane, my wife
a few times about, like, I think it's
because we see behavioral patterns, like we're fairly
well trained in how to manipulate behavior,
and we see the manipulation of behavior. And
then when you're like, hey on, if you
have to manipulate me to fill in a
particular way, like, maybe you're trying to make
something happen. Yep. Rather than letting something play
out. And something that I'm boarding on, and
we've talked about in the past is that
we believe that Peter, you don't need to
believe this is written on their website. They
don't want people to own pets.
Angry ingrid New cook designed her
organization or a company or whatever you wanna
call that under that mandate. Yeah. She made
it abundantly... Now they try and fluff that
over, and they try and pull the curtains
around that. Yeah. But behind those curtains, the
pillar etched into the pillar the. But so
then
we say that the overarching villain in our
story here
is the pharmaceutical companies that are trying to
make a profit. Mh. That's your position.
And then they are influencing the groups that
they can. But they didn't see themselves as
being a villain there. No. Of course. Not.
But... Like, the villain in this story. Yeah.
All they are to themselves is we've proper
machine. We just gotta keep making. We gotta
keep making... So in their attempt to continue
to make a profit. Yep. They are then
facilitating
the people who would ban
the training
that would make their product less desirable, less
usable, less necessary.
Surely then they're at odds
what do you have to say about that?
Do you think that's a battle that's they're
just gonna cross that bridge later on? Or
is it inc
that the pharmaceutical companies want everybody to have
pets, and they want all those pets on
Ss i's.
But their ally in the getting everybody on
Ss. Doesn't want anybody to have pets. And
they want to reduce ownership of dogs.
Where's the there? Did see that as a
potential flaw in the way that we're perceiving
things?
That's an interesting concept.
I don't know if I agree that they're
aligned together. Okay. Because I feel that
most likely, Peter would be a standalone
organization that believes that they're on their own
island, conducting their own Okay. So then who
maybe do you think is the next step.
Like, when the pharmaceutical company sit around when
when the evil villain sits around the board
table,
and they go, we have to come up
with a plan of this. Like, you gave
chat Gp the same set of parameters as
they potentially face. Yep. And it said, well
we need to influence people to not train
a particular way where they buy they need
our product.
Who do you think that pharmaceutical company specifically
are talking to what step 1? Government and
bits. Okay. So you think that they're... It's
direct to government. That's of. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah.
Hundred percent. The jaw dropper for me, not
that I didn't understand it was gonna happen.
The jaw dropper for me was when the
Pal shaped government made it a particular mandate
on her agenda to remove phone callers. Yeah.
Rather than a back venture in 1 of
her groups bringing because they're an animal advocate
and they're involved in some way in animal
advocacy. Why did she bring it up? That
is a especially good point in that that
ban in Queensland came from nowhere and based
on no evidence. Yeah. It just popped up
1 day, and it was a Saturday morning
that it got announced via Instagram or, like,
via social media. I know there's been a
very squeaky wheel in Queensland. There was a
lady up there who was Andy remote and
Anti
prong colors for a very long time, but
it just struck me, like, why does this
particularly take interest? The premier of Queensland?
Why did it become her personal gender like
I've never been. So for our American listeners,
the premier of a state in Australia is
the equivalent of a governor in your senator
or I think is that governor for. Government.
Okay. Yep. Yep. So the leader of the
state within the state government, the elected official
just suddenly decided 1. Saturday morning. Yep. That
prong colors are getting banned. So it really
made me think, are we that much of
a t commodity
where things can just be taken from us
that quickly?
And it didn't seem to matter what the
contrary was. It didn't seem to matter how
many
clients came forward and said, hey, This is
fucking life changing for my dog. Don't you
understand?
The 1 point that I can never shrug
or get it out of my head when
I'm thinking about this when I'm in a
clear state of mind mine and I'm even
meditating on this is
I've never met 1 person
in my 30 plus years
of training dogs, that I've recommended a prong
call 2 that's ever come back to me
and said, you
you've given me something that's hurt my dog,
ruined my dog put my training backwards.
Yeah. Yeah. Nothing mate. That's the absolute issue
that every time I close my eyes when
this is in my mind. I can't stop
thinking about that. And this is what generated
this whole big poly waffle of a discussion
that we're having now,
because I can't stop thinking about it. Yeah.
I can't stop thinking about how did this
happen? How did we get here and why
are we letting this happen? Mh. When you
look deeply into other things? I'll give you
an example. I've been watching Clark farm, which
I think is fucking brilliant.
Jeremy Clark who was on top gear. He's
got show on
Amazon where he's bought a farm over in
the Ko or something like that over in
England. I understand that Jeremy Clark not certain
people's cup of tea. They find him a
bit arrogant or a bit of a douche
bag and you 1 of those people. Yeah
I understanding him. I know. We've had this
discussion.
He's a celebrity and he's probably a bit
of a win bag in a certain amount
of things, and he's probably 1 of these
people who has always got an idea and
agenda and he could be a pain in
the ass neighbor to leave next to. I
get that and looking at it from the
50000 foot point of view, when you think
about it regardless of how funny he can
be on show it. You kind of look
at it... Well, what have I live next
door to this claim? Like, what if that
happened? But what if it was my company
that what was tanking with his lies. Right.
Carry on. So the point is what he
has done in that show is he's really
brought to light,
how screwed over farmers are being across the
world. Yeah. He really has suddenly s a
light on how governments around the world
really aren't looking after the people who look
after our food football. Yeah. And why is
that? Why did things become so
incredibly
expensive?
Governments aren't to blame for all the weather
conditions or the reason that certain things happen.
That's outside their control. But there are a
lot of things within their control.
That seem to really inhibit farmers around the
world from being able to farm properties or
Yeah. Be involved in their property 1 thing
that was really interesting on that show was
the level of malevolent that the local council
showed towards him, and you could tell
that they were using their influence and their
power to certainly pick him out. And it's
because they didn't like who he was, and
they didn't like the fact that he was
on the show and he did call some
of them a bunch of idiots and so
forth, but they were taking it out of
him. So that's a complete corruption of their
capability.
Now, again, I'm not in the room. I
don't know everything that he's done. I don't
know all of those specific talking points or
topics that came up.
Inside a council. But I do know
when I have been involved in groups before,
how they like to
manage people. And how they look at people
as we will just tell them what and
how it is. Mh. Even when you're elected
by
your own group of people,
something changes within you where you think, well
I'm gonna do the best by you to
tell you what to do without your consult.
And even if you're gru about it, I'm
gonna see you as being a problem, not
as being a c or or anything like
that. They kind of look at you like
now you're being a problem because you're not
agreeing with me when I'm trying to do
the right thing by you. But in this
case, you know, like, he wanted to build
a farm shop and he wanted to build
the his car park.
And there are other farms in the area
who are all had to do this. Then
he wanted to put a farm track in
there. He's got an adviser in and who
said, yep, this is all in the law
providing you do it this way. This is
the work that you're doing every fucking hook
can turn in the show. They were throwing
up stop gaps doing. And I kind of
just thought to myself Have a look, what
a small local government can do to a
powerful celebrity and the influence that they have
over at, Isn't it just remarkable? Yeah. That
can happen. Like, I'm with you in sentiment,
but Yeah. I just think that he's a
lying piece of shit. And so that probably
never happened. He he probably created all of
that. Like, if theft cra drama in a
Tv show. I wouldn't put any credence into
anything Jeremy Clark has to say on a
tv. You what's the show? No. Never. Watch
it. But I saw... Did you know what
they did with Top with the Tesla. You
know, if you heard about that? Yes. They
they scripted
that it breaks down. And they did that
when Tesla was a starting company. Now, I'm
not like defending Daddy Elon and making sure
that his company goes are right. But Jeremy
Class is a known fucking liar,
and creates drama on Tv in order to
make people watch Tv. Yep. Not present the
truth. The truth
and his Tv show sell them line. Well,
that was the case top. Like, I've never
watched this other show. But, like, I get
the sentiment. I agree with you in sentiment,
but I just wouldn't put too much
wait into anything that he has to say.
Certainly, the time that I've been involved in
anything to do with media or anything to
do with influencing is that can put out
a positive piece of news,
and you'll get, like, 4 likes in it.
But if you put out something there of
drama or conspiracy or something that delegates danger
or anything like that. It attracts so much
right. There's gotta be a reason to to
pay attention. Looking how many people are already
pushing you to do the positive punishment course.
Yeah Which I'm doing. Yeah.
So I wanna come back to the original
point sure because I think I agree with
you to an extent. I think I do.
I think that that is absolutely not outside
of the realm of possibility. I think that
that's highly likely. But I think 1 of
the things that I find myself referring to
this lesson and less
is that I think I believe in Ark
razor as much as possible. Yeah. The, like,
the most obvious and simple solution often is
the case. Right. But 1 thing that I
learned pretty early on in my, like, Army
Career. I held a top secret clearance. I
worked in a special forces unit. I worked
with the niche capabilities of that special forces
unit. I've worked with government agencies of all
the 3 letters from various parts of the
world. There was a time where I was
an action guy involved in that space.
And what I always
knew then, but I believe less or less
each day now
is that you shouldn't
attribute to conspiracy
what can be attributed to incompetent. Mh. Because
the governments
across the world
are full of incompetent people. Oh, no doubt.
I had a boss at 1 time explained,
like, we have tolerance of 10 percent morons
in this unit. Like 10 percent of these
S f highly trained, like, these are the
most elite soldiers
and this is true of every elite unit
around the world. 10 percent of them shouldn't
be there. 10 percent of them are fucking
idiots that somehow managed to get in. And
that's with a very stringent selection criteria. Right?
You can extrapolate that to be even higher
in various government departments. And there are people
for sure who have a malicious intent in
their actions. But there are other people who
are just dummies
and don't think through their actions or are
very done in krueger and, like, a very
sure that what they have said is true
and within the very narrow scope of knowledge
they have. It's very true. They will pass
a lot detector. They're correct. But their dummies,
and they don't know what else is going
on. So, like, I think while I in
part agree with you, I think that that's
highly likely that there's an influence down the
chain that says, hey, we need training to
be less effective
because we want the meds which is the
answer to the less effective training or or
the absence of effective training to fill that
space.
And the more dogs we yet onto this
staff to hire the profit margins like, I'm
with you Like, I can totally draw that
bow. I definitely can. Mh I think as
well there's a lot of other influence. While
you're saying that and it just comes to
mind I don't think this is an act
of being malicious. I just think it's we're
right way. Yeah. Just in the way yeah.
Yeah. And the idea of when something's in
the way of profit in the company. What
you do is look at removing it at
all costs. Yeah. And you need to. You
kind of think how do I
reduce the impact that's happening while I can
increase profits and decrease risks. Well, the malicious
is then certainly, I agree with you. I
think that pharmaceutical companies want more people taking
pharmaceutical drugs, like, for sure. That's the model
you've got malicious side is is that we've
been painted to be the enemy. Yeah. But
that's been done, I think from multiple Fronts
in that, I think that as we sort
of just tease the apart then that if
there's a a push to get more dogs
onto Ss i's, that's not in
line with Peter's
less dogs. Right? Like, we don't want people
owning dogs. And and what we see in
government as well is it's becoming more and
more difficult to owned us. As we talked
about, like, what's happened in South Australia, is
that they haven't actually banned anything.
What they've done is tighten the conditions around
it. And now I can't remember these exact
numbers. But if you're registered dangerous dog bite
on in the street, you're up for, over
a thousand all fine. Mh. And so what
they're doing is making it to people like,
oh, let's not get a dog. When Johnny,
the 10 year old says to mom and
dad, let's get a dog and they do
a little bit of research. Okay, like, what's
involved in this? What risks are we taking
on? They're like, oh, fuck, I'm not taking...
I'm not accepting this level of risk if
we get a dog. So there's certainly multiple
things that are affecting our ability to do
what we do to train the way that
we train to be effective with dogs.
And they're not all
congruent with each other. 1 is owning of
less dogs and there's certainly a push for
that and another is more dogs, but less
training and more Ss. I think as well,
when we look at wider so many dogs
need this, there has to be more dog
trainers now. There has to be people like
who wear that hat and say I'm a
dog trainer of any kind than ever before.
Right? Like, because it's a really... It's a
growing profession I'd say that in the last
20, 30 years, it's become a totally recognized
job. Like you speak about how your grandmother
when you became a dog trainer And were,
like, this is what I was do was
like, no. That's not a real job. Oh,
she was horrified. But now
That's a really clearly recognizable
a profession. Yeah. You can be a highly
professional person. You can make a lot of
money. There's multimillion millionaire dog trainers. There's ads
that keep coming up in feed to become
a 7 figure dog trainer.
So like, it can happen. It's a job
that you can make a lot of money
from. There's lots of people do it. I've
spoken about in the past. I think that
we all owe Sees Milan debt of gratitude
for that. I think that that show put
into the psyche of the average person that
you should get a person to your home
to assist you with your dog or So
like, there's a lot to that. There's a
lot of things going on in this space
where I believe that there's more trainers now
than ever.
Pet ownership is probably at its highest,
as well as the number of reactive and
problem dogs that we're seeing is higher, and
that's gotta be multifaceted. They can't be a
single answer to that. Right? And I think
that way that people treat their dogs, the
way that dogs are being bread, the way
that we're living with dogs, like in urban
areas and that's sort of stuff. Like, over
the last 30 years,
urbanization has changed significantly. Mh Although I'll admit,
like, say sydney,
the city,
I grew up only a few kilometers from
where I live now. I was gone for
a period while was in the miami army,
but I've lived there, you know, mostly my
whole life.
In the area in which I leave, nothing's
has really changed
dramatically is there's a few new freeway, few
new buildings, but it's mostly the same, but
the number of dog ownership has definitely increased
in that space. So now there's like a
pie population of people using the same small
spaces for their dogs, we're encountering each other
more than we probably have in the past
with dogs because limited spaces to go. So
I think it's a very much a multi
facet problems that we face.
But I think to your point,
correct me if I understanding correctly is that
your concern is, like, yes. This is probably
happening from pharmaceutical companies that are tried to
maximize profits by getting as many dogs onto
the things as possible. A way to do
that is to reduce the instance of balance
training, which is probably gonna be more effective
at treating these sorts of things. Mh. The...
Of that is being done by people who
don't... This is your concern. Yes. It's a
concern. The
of us
as balance trainers is being done by people
who are bought into the idea like they
believe,
and they don't realize... Yeah. They don't understand.
They don't understand that they've been porn Yeah
the they are and pop. They are the
puppet of somebody else. Right. And it doesn't
really matter which 1 of those profits is
controlling the strings.
All of them have a bad outcome for
them. So if it's a pharmaceutical companies just
want more dogs on, that's not good for
dogs, that's not good for training in general.
And if it's Peter that just want less
pet ownership, that's not good for them either.
So they're
potentially
being led down the garden path by people
who don't actually align their interest don't align.
But in this moment, the enemy of my
enemy is my friend, But then when that
is taken out, then what happens?
I promise this wasn't gonna be a Covid
Joe, and it's not really about Covid, It's
just about altering behavior.
Reason I bring this up is because it
upsets me to quite a degree. The manipulation
that went on board with this. And I
look at some dear friends around the world
that when I spoke to about this. I
had to be really careful
about
not disclosing that I wasn't vaccinated
because of how ferocious they were,
about holding the line on vaccination. I thought
to myself, it's incredible
of a person that I believe was so
comprehensively open minded.
That is now holding this hard line,
and I could possibly end my friendship with
this person over 1 reveal Of just saying
I'm un.
Mh. The sad thing about it, the horrifying
thing about it is the amount of those
people now
who have come back to me
in subsequent months after it finished and said
to me, I wish I never got this
fucking thing in the first place. I wish
I wish
I didn't fall victim to the propaganda, and
I wish if I had my time again,
and I could go back in time, and
I wish I held the line and and
just didn't do it. And my question to
them, know, because I've been spending time talking
to people about this. And again, hadn't revealed
my stance on it. I didn't wanna develop
a bias.
For all they knew I was vaccinated.
I just said, well, why then? And they
just said, I just felt there was no
alternative. I just felt everybody was pushing me
in this direction. Like, I felt this urgency
that I had to do this or else,
I was gonna kill a grandparent, a child
lose my job, and they just felt like
they had to join the team. They had
to be part of the book burning brigade.
I'm sad for those people. I'm fucking
horrified for those people because it it upsets
me that that was allowed to happen and
people felt like they were doing the right
thing.
And that's what I feel about in the
same
scope with this topic that I'm talking about,
how we're being turned on, how we're being
villainous eyes has been the enemy in this
conversation
and realizing that people may be listening to
this and saying, Glen, you're defending a position
here. You're defending your right to be a
balance trainer. It goddamn damn fucking right. I
am. And I always have. I've held this
line. I remember distinctly
A person in the industry many years ago
said to me, you know you could be
a much wealthier person in the dog training
space if you only shut your fucking mouth.
For many years
that sat with me. And I just thought
I don't like being controlled by people because
I realized what control is and I talk
about it freely and openly about the illusion
of control. And I realize how people have
done. I've been controlled, and I've been manipulated
I've being puppet here to do things for
people. You know, like when I talked with
you before, some of my karate instructors and
so forth. When I've looked at those people
when I basically given them the keys to
operate me and saying, I will do your
bidding.
Fortunately,
for me.
I align myself with good people who said,
that's not what this is about. And you're
listening to the wrong part of the story.
You're taking in what you think needs to
be done. It often reminds me about how
people want the truth from you until you
give them the truth. Mh. Classic example of
that, I know it's a movie. Do you
remember the movie getting to the greek with
Russell Brand and Hill. Yeah. When they're in
the car together, Russell Brand says to Joan
Hill what do you think of the Album
African child? Be honest with me? And he
goes, oh, man. That album was of absolute
piece of shit? Because he thinks know, like
You thinks we're friends. You know, like you
thinks we're friends, this is vulnerable moment. I
can tell you because you really wanna know.
I'm your friend. I can tell you. And
he goes, don't you talk to me like
that? You little
And he just really
tears strips out of him, and you can
see the deep level of hurt because that
was his art. He said he wanted of
the truth, but he didn't really want the
truth. He wanted a version of the truth.
He want... He wanted his truth.
That's what frighten me about knowing how to
manipulate and control behavior is how
we've been manipulated and controlled.
I guess that's the rub of the conversation
in getting to this very long and convoluted
story that I felt like I needed to
tell.
Because it's been sitting with me for so
long, and I've been holding back on this
because I've been afraid to talk about it.
Mh. But I think some bravery needs to
be shown by people.
And I could be wrong with this, and
I generally people are listening to this, and
I haven't lost you by now.
I want you to tell me if I'm
wrong.
I want you to listen to this and
tell me, put together a, like, a good
sound argument and say, no. You're off the
rails you're wrong. He's real evidence to support
it. Not something that I've just cons conflicted
because I've bought into the call aid, but
here is the evidence behind it. You're not
on track with what you're thinking here. Yeah.
Right now, I think I'm onto something.
I'm not the only person. I've had conversations
with people locally and internationally about this very
much thing, But... Then I think to myself
Am I just listening to the same tribe
of people, Have I just been echo chamber?
Have I created a echo chamber? It's been
alluded to many times Robert Top upholstery talks
about it in his books and when he's
been talking online that you only need a
small amount of convincing for you to believe
that you're on the right track sometimes.
All you need is just 1 friendly person
to say, no I'm buying into a glen
you're right, You're the messiah. You've been right
all along. I don't wanna be that person
in I don't wanna be easily led on
that and just cons script a story in
my head and also influence other people to
think like that if I map absolutely wrong
on this. If I've derailed myself and I'm
off tangent. But I just cannot explain some
of these things, it doesn't make sense to
me,
I feel like I'm in the matrix, sometimes,
when I look around the world that's become
from the world On I knew. I just
feel like I'm out of touch with it
and something happened stick, and I just can't
find the logical
explanation to know how and why is this
happening? And how is it allowed to be
happening?
Well, it's an interesting topic. Hopefully. Well, yeah,
It's worth pondering.
And if you're willing to take feedback on
that. I think that we should open it
up to the people who have made it
through the show and got to this point.
We've got the Facebook discussion group, that's a
place where people can discuss this seventeenth fifteenth.
If they think that you're totally off base,
if there's a wait of evidence to go
somewhere. I don't need to be rude about
it either. Like let me make. I get
a real conversation. This is not to offend
you or anybody else. I'm not throwing anybody
into the barbecue over this. What I am
saying is, this is where I've got to
right now, change my mind. Okay. What's the
name of the guy who was famous for
that? Stephen Cra, Stephen Cra. Yeah. Change my
mind. I'm willing to have my mind change.
I'm accepting of that. If a group of
people or somebody who's not cons inspiring with
the enemy,
he's willing to put up a good argument
and saying, here's another 50000 foot view of
this point. Mh. Let's have a look and
analyze it from these
specifications, then I'm I'm willing to sit down
and be your student. Then we get somebody
who has a articulate argument and you know
how to talk, you could come on the
show and and Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Be. If
it's interesting enough for people, but... Yeah. I
just feel that things have changed in a
weird direction. It's alien territory to me right
now.
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