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Now, here are your hosts, Glen Cook and

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Pat Stewart. And I'm lofty Fulton. And I'm

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out of here. Hey I need to tell

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some. Oh, god. What is it? Some time

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ago, we did an add episode where we

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talked about how we were going to get

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better with our ass.

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Wondering

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shit

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said

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get better and we just

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so bullish shit.

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Alright. Well, here they are? We got 5

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sponsors currently. Alright. Who are they? First is

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the O. The ai winner. Oh, that knob

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the buff. Yep. Now. He's the Og been

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with. He's star. He's good. He he's gonna

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sell you whatever you need. Yep. He'll get

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it. What you should do is contact Jason

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for Minds Don't quit. Mh. With some peculiar

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product, telling him me want it and make

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him get it in. Salt you. Even if

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you could buy it somewhere else, just make

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sure he gets it in for you. Just

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make that bastard work.

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But in all, honesty, I'd say 90 percent

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of my shit comes from him, and it's

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all the best stuff. I did see some

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feedback on our forum where somebody was really

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intrigued about your handler package. So you got

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from Jason. Obviously, it works. Yeah. People are

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paying attention in daily great even though we

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shoot at this, we do a terrible job

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of actually trying to keep things updated. It's

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great to see that the people who are

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investing in our show are actually getting some

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leeway. Yep. Made I've heard that your wife

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sells some Can products. My wife is doing

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great guns at the moment. I said before

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that she's being supported terrific in the United

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States which been good, but I will swing

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that back home and say that so many

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more people in Australia are doing it. And

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it's great to see, like, there are people

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finally, in the sporting dog world who are

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starting to prioritize nutrition for the dogs. And

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I know them and I can see them

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when Noel comes and says, I guess who

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bought some product off me for the first

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time. So you're saying there's no patient confidentiality.

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No. You're a confidentiality. Oh, sorry.

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It what's a mob list. You... Are you

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aware my dog is taking p, collagen, and

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what everything it takes Anton. Anton. Yeah. Yeah

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To been on that. Anton is not Business,

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but I've gotta do a shout for. They.

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Are absolutely fantastic. The very supportive of her

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show. Mh. Whenever we've done seminars and so

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forth, they have been first to dip their

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hand in their pocket, they are very generous

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with their product.

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But let me just say all that aside,

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their generosity and their advertising and marketing. Let

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me just say on the other side of

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that they're is amazing. Yeah. Like, it does

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work. It's very beneficial for sure. It's 1

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of those things where they say Anton for

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every dog every day. I totally agree with

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that. Nor has even supported that when people

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have asked them about her product, she says,

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the 2 things that I would absolutely give

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to you. Is anton and her gut protect

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formula. Yeah. Gut protect is like her holy

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Grail. Of of her holy of the range.

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This is not me market talking. Okay? Because

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we mad. This is this is an ad,

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but this is not made to a market.

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But we've already pointed out where she did

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at. I know. Of all the things she

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sells and she sell some kill a product.

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But the 1 thing that she does sell,

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which I absolutely agree with her every dog

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should have this product is the gut protect.

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Really, a hundred percent. It's nothing that they

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need for being sick. It's something that they

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need to do just to maintain great gut

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balance. Okay. And gut balances like mental health

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That's it's 1 of those things that you're

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absolutely they wanna get control around. So products

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like anton, Great every day. Gut protect, great

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for every day. There's other products that aren't

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even related to hers called things like called

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Rose vital and stuff like that. Absolutely fantastic

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for dogs to be on every sort of

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day. Mh. But I know there's other people

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we need to talk about if you wanna

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learn more about Nor products, go to a

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website, canine

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dot com. I think it's.

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I think it's... Till you'll figure it out.

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It's dot

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you. It's 1 of those, you. Everyone just

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google's it and yeah goes Google it. You'll

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find it. Hey. Yeah. George. Alright wish you

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get him on the show. We should have

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George on the show. Not only is he

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devilish handsome. Yep. But he's got a fantastic,

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1 of a kind product that I've never

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seen replicated anywhere in the world, you or

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me. Were getting a car ride by him.

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We got to see the prototype first hand.

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And then his bike got stolen with the

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prototype bike that? Yes. Yeah. But anyway, George

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has Rowdy had dog box. Yeah. So it's

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a crate that goes with the vacuum motorbike

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so that you don't can go over with

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you. Yeah. It's cool shit. It's a great

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idea. You should totally get 1. Taylor canine

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nines in Canada. Yeah. Do you know that

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Taylor from tele is hosting Jazz w later

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in the year? I do know that. I

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saw the ad. Very good. Yep. So she

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doing great stuff with her tailored Canine, her

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training business, training business, but she's also getting

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a fantastic trainer over there to help with

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her tailored training. Cheers is. And finally.

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Barber groot. The sugar mama from the heart

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dog trainer heart dog trainer. Just fucking throws

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cash this supports the show god bless. Yeah.

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I think later on the year when And

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I are over doing a seminar with Melanie

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Ben. Barbara D group is coming over. I.

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I think she has put down a a

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like, and I'd said you better come sugar

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mama, and she gave me a thumbs up,

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So hopefully, she's gonna be there, and I

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can give her some love to repay us

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for all the kindness and support that she's

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thrown Addison asked nothing in return. Alright. That's

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our ad. Yeah. That one's good to go

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for at least another 4 years. That hear

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from us then.

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Welcome back to the canine paradigm your host,

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Pat stewart, and I'm joined in studio today

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by my c host. Glen cook. Hello, sir.

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Hello, everyone. How. Are you? I'm good. Like

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we're pretending we haven't just been talking for.

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No. We can see. We're all be camping

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Hey. I got a beam upon it. Let's

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go. I talk about leash. Yeah. It's a

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good topic. Yep.

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Something

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I've been thinking on. Mh. And sort of

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swirling around in my brain a lot lately.

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Yes. Is about leash. Yeah. And there was

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a final tree just recently

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that just kind of prompted me to think

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out a structure of things I wanna talk

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with you about today in terms of leash.

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Oh, share it with me hear all about

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it. So I like coffee. And most days,

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I get coffee from the same place. There's

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an awesome little cafe just up the street

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from my shop. You know these people who

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can have a coffee and then not poo

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directly after? That's first coffee of the day.

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Yeah. Yeah. I'm at least A2A day ago.

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Yeah like, coffee. Really? Get 2. A minimum.

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If not 3. 0, wow. Yeah. Yeah. I

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maybe may have 2. Yeah. Yeah. If I

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have more than 2, then I can't sleep

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properly at night. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I have

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a cut of, like, 3 in the afternoon

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usually, although I break that rule from time

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to time. Yep. Anyway leash? Yeah. Currently.

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So anyway, this Cafe. Yes. I

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know them pretty well. I get a lot

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of my meals there. Yep. But often when

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I'm walking to work in the morning, they're

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doing their setup. Mh right? Now in this

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there's a dog, and people who follow me

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on Instagram will have seen our post stories

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of him sometimes. His name's Pong,

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and he lives at the cafe. He's the

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owner's dog. He's a little... I don't know

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what he is. He looks like maybe a

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little cock span ish Oh, yeah Yeah. I've

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little dog. Yep. Actually

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incredible

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trained. Yep. Like a straight dog. Sort of

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a big outdoor area at in a courtyard

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sort of space. Yep. He is just off

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leash all the time wandering around. I've never

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seen that dog harass someone that didn't wanna

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be harassed. Yep. The cafes dog friendly. I've

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never seen him approach another dog that wasn't

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inviting the approach was gonna have an appropriate

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interaction with. I've never seen the dog cause

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any issues whatsoever,

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he only engages with people who he's clearly

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welcome to engage with. Mh He never causes

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any issues with any of the other dogs,

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and he just wonders around does his own

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thing. You were eighties kid or a nineties

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kid, eighties. I was born in 83. When

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you and I were young children. That was

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pretty much normal life. Yeah, people with dogs,

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we grew up in an era where we

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weren't so constrained with

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over overwatch by councils,

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state government, federal government. Nobody sort of... More

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people cared

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very rural minded with things. I grew up

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in the outer suburbs. I lived in the

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city as a very young child, but then

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suburbs as a pre teens and teens and

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so forth. But life with people then was

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dogs wanted,

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And dogs were very social with people. Yeah.

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Of all sizes, they're were even social with

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each other. Like, it wasn't uncommon to see

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groups of dogs playing in the street with

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each other or just, you know, roaming the

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neighborhood, and then they'd go home to be

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fed. Yep. That was our life as children.

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Yep. But laws, laws and

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litigation. Exactly. So Po go hangs out in

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this cafe. The other thing I should add

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never seen him beg for food. Like, never

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once and there's food over it's Cafe. Yep.

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As will feed him or they encourage him

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not No. Some people do. And if he's

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interested if he feels like it, he'll might

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take a piece of food. Yeah. But he

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doesn't... The dog is incredible.

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At just being the dog in a cafe.

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Alright? Now I've never seen it anywhere else

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I don't know what it's life looks like

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anywhere else, but I see it there, and

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it's great. Yep. But as I'm walking to

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work most days at about 05:30 in the

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morning. I'm walking past their shop as they're

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setting up. Pong goes is out there doing

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his own thing, and my 2 dogs are

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on leash as I'm walking them down the

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straight. Now every now and again, I will

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take 1 of my dogs or both of

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them or whatever, to go get coffee. Mh.

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And they're on leash, and I might leave

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them

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outside as I walk into order and put

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them in a seat or a down or

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something like that. But they don't move, they

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get put static, and I might leave them

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in this somewhat secluded area depending on whether

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I take them or not, which is pretty

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uncommon. So anyway, the other day, I tag

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them on Instagram when I posted a thing

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of Pong, and they then looked at my

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Instagram. I found out on the dog train

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Like, they don't really know what I do

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for a job other than that it's in

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the dog space. Right? And I'd like I

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don't suppose like care. But they looked me

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up on Instagram and saw Oh, you're real

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dog trainer? You do real dog stuff. So

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the owner then said to me, how come

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your dogs are never off leash? And I

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was like, Oh, well,

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and Didn't really have an answer.

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But I just kind of was stuttering for

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words

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because what I realized was This is a

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much bigger conversation. Like, you don't actually give

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a fuck about my answer. Right? Then she

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goes, look, Pong goes always around. Like, I

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just tell him what I want from him

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and he does it. And I'm like, yeah.

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Okay.

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And I ended up to say, well, my

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dogs are a work in progress. Alright? Like

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that's... I just left it at that. Yeah.

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Good answer. But then I went back, and

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I was reflecting, and I was like, well,

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my dogs always unleashed. Was her dog wears

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off leash. And I know the answer to

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that is because her dog is

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naturally good or she put a lot of

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work into when he was young.

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Teaching him how to make the appropriate choices

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and how to be social in public and

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whatever. But he's also not exactly full of

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drive either. Yeah. It's exactly. Yeah. Just puts

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around. Nothing really kicks that dog. Nothing that

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I've seen. And certainly, maybe this was the

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case when he was younger. They're trained it

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out of him. I don't know. But nothing

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really excites him to the point where he

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needs to be restrained. He doesn't have any

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really strong desires. Yep. I don't engage with

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them a lot every now and again, he

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comes over and talks to me. But the

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people that do

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try and push engagement with him and that

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he enjoys a company of. When he sees

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them, he casually

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walks over to them. Like, he doesn't go

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at them like a bullet gate, like, high

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drive dogs do. Yep.

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And so why are my dog's leash and

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hers not is because it's not appropriate for

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my dogs to be off leash and it's

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entirely appropriate for her dog to be off

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leash.

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And then it started me sort of thinking

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about why that is shocking to someone else

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to see these guys a dog trainer.

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He clearly can train dogs. They've seen videos

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of me training dogs now. They know that

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I'm capable of training a dog to do

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most things that anybody would wanna train a

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dog to do.

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Why have I not trained them to be

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able to just walk around off leash? Because

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could easily do that with my dogs. If

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I wanted my dogs to be off leash

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everywhere dogs, and that were a priority to

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me, I could easily do that. But that

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is not in the slightest a priority to

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me. But it caused me to reflect, and

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I was like, there was a time when

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that was a priority to me. Now it

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was before I was a a dog person.

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When I was a kid, we had border

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Collie growing up. We had 1 called panda

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because she looked like a panda bear. And

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she died when I was maybe 4 or

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5 something like that. So that was my

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first dog and all my initial memories of

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a dog of that dog.

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What do you remember of her? I remember

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a couple of things. The first was that

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she knew how to play cricket. Yep. She

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understood the game to the extent that me

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and my friends,

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all we needed was a batter and ebola,

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and she was the field. It worked perfectly

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because she understood you take the ball so

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straight back to the person who threw the

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ball to the guy who hits it with

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the bat. And. So it was the best

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when you're 4 or year kid and your

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buddies in the area, You can play cricket

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all day. Yeah nobody has to be the

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field because you only wanna be the batter

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or the bowl. Yeah. That's that's shit jobs.

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Yeah. No 1 wants to be out there

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fielding. But the total loved it because it

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was getting... We play with the Tennis ball.

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I don't know that she understood the game

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in so much as that you had to

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catch the ball on the full to get

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people out, but being a border collie, she

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was always trying to catch the ball on

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the fall. So that counted as you're out.

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Yep. And she would feel in that as

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quickly as possible should would run the ball

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back to the bowl. So she say she

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our border collie needs. And total guys get

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to play cricket. Totally. Awesome. The other thing

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I remember really distinctly about panda is that

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she was stolen when we're young. She decided

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for a period, and then we got her

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back. I feel like there was more to

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that. I should probably talk to my parents

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about the details of that. Now that I'm

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old enough to hear the real story.

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I think that there was probably some interesting

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developments in house... No No. She came back.

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Okay. Because Panda got really fat and where

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my parents live? It was at the time

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of functioning mental hospital, but like, a big

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open

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flowing once. Now Cow Park, right? Where, like,

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I've trained my dogs all the time and

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so. When it was a functioning hospital

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because dogs would roam. Right? Like you said.

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That dog would just disappear and come back

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and would spend the day out with other

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people and then just come back in the

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evening and be with her family who had

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got home from school and whatever Yep. And

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she's always fat, and we could never figure

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out why. And it turns out because she

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had, like, 6 different people feeding. Know. And

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we found that out when she went missing

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and we were looking for her. And they're

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like, oh, we know. Yeah. She hasn't been

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around. Right? And so we're like, oh, how

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well do you know? Like, we feed her

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every day. Like, now now we understand First

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of all, why she disappears and why she's

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fat. That's my excuse too. You know? Yeah.

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Too many people for And.

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Too many people enjoy your company and give

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you food in order to bring you in.

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That's right. Yeah. And then we had another

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border collie called Sasha, and Sas was pretty

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similar. Just another dog that you know, I'm

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sure that there was a terrible period with

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a

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puppy that I don't know anything about because

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I was a little kid, and I'm sure

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my parents and my older the brothers and

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sisters dealt with all that. But all I

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have is these amazing memories of this dog.

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Sac to be, I think 15 or something

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like that. It was my dog, she was

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mine right up until I, like, left to

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join the army. And and and actually, it

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was 1 of the things I remember telling

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my mom because she was kind of at

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the back end of life. I remember when

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I went to basic train I was like,

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if I dies go and don't tell me.

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Like, I don't think that in the layered

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dress model would help. But then she died

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about a year after I joined the army.

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Anyway, but those dogs were mostly awfully dogs.

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Yep. They weren't really unleash very much at

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all because we lived opposite the park where

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they would go. And so they often were

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on the front step, not in the yard.

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They were just sort of dogs that were

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around, and they made good choices. Mh And

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so the street... It's just 1 street crossroads.

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It's not a traffic street it's the local

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street. So the dogs could basically cross the

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road.

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Safely. They would check for cars and walk

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across and

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spend their day where they wanted to and

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come back. There wasn't a lot of cause

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to strain them ever. And so for me,

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when I then got my own dog,

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and Jane got a dog together, his name

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was Ernie. I think Sasha had at me

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that just died was like, right at the

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doing it. Like, but she obviously stayed with

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my parents and me and jail together. And

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Ernie

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was a 7 year old like Mu Bot

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collie thing. And I remember, 1 of my

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first goals was, like, I don't need to

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be able to take this dog off leash

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to the park. Like, I need to be

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able to walk to the place that I'm

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going. Off leash, and it was mostly back

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streets to get there. And like I did

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it, but I don't know why I had

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that as a goal because to me that

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was just normal dogs are off leash.

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And I remember being proud of myself that

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I made it to the park and only

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had to tell Ernie to get back to

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me 500 times. Like it was... You know

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what I mean? I like, that normal pet

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dog people I'm like, I would told you

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my dog good to go. Like, totally reliable

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or leash. Yep. And every step I be

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like, you're Come back here. Hey Hey. But

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like, and, of. Sound like you got to

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re.

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Like dude. And and of course, he'd walk

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back from the park way better than he

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would walk to the park. And Be I

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I'd be like, look, my training is getting

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better. Like, all the dumb shit that

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people who don't know what we know. I

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was 1 of them and said all those

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things. But for sure,

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having the dog off leash was a priority

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for. That was a thing. Before Was a

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dog person,

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and it was an image thing for sure.

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Like it wasn't that holding Alicia hard. And

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I think as well if I'm really sort

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of think on it. I think part of

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it was that All those dogs as soon

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as you put a leash on them would

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pull like a freight trade. And so it

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was easier just to be like, well, I

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won't put a leash on. And knowing what

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I know now, Those are conditioned responses. It's

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that the dog pulled into the leash got

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to where it wanted to go, the pressure

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turned off. Now whenever the leash gets pulled

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on, the dog just goes okay well, Pull

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into this thing and it takes me places

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that must be also like, I understand all

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of that now.

519
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That's really basic and every dog trainer gets

520
00:18:18,403 --> 00:18:19,996
But before I was a dog person when

521
00:18:20,155 --> 00:18:21,588
I was just looking at, well, the dog

522
00:18:21,588 --> 00:18:23,180
pulls on the leash, I don't like that,

523
00:18:23,737 --> 00:18:25,330
probably if I don't use the leash, I

524
00:18:25,330 --> 00:18:27,656
won't have that problem. And that's true. You

525
00:18:27,656 --> 00:18:29,331
don't have the problem of the Don't leash.

526
00:18:29,570 --> 00:18:31,803
You have a massive sm board of new

527
00:18:31,803 --> 00:18:34,834
problems, and you're accepting a whole new level

528
00:18:34,834 --> 00:18:35,972
of risk and liability.

529
00:18:36,604 --> 00:18:38,040
The dog doesn't pull and you you don't

530
00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,035
have to worry about that. Yeah. So like

531
00:18:40,035 --> 00:18:41,871
many pet dog owners,

532
00:18:42,429 --> 00:18:44,598
that was a big goal for me. And

533
00:18:44,678 --> 00:18:46,508
I was able when the owner of the

534
00:18:46,508 --> 00:18:48,737
cafe kind of looked at me like, what

535
00:18:48,737 --> 00:18:49,851
are you a fuck up? Like,

536
00:18:50,885 --> 00:18:51,840
yeah don't mean like, yes.

537
00:18:52,573 --> 00:18:54,089
Are you not good at your job? Yeah.

538
00:18:54,329 --> 00:18:56,164
Why is your dog's on leash all the

539
00:18:56,164 --> 00:18:59,217
time, and it occurred to me, I presently

540
00:19:00,008 --> 00:19:02,235
have the 2 most highly trained dogs I

541
00:19:02,235 --> 00:19:05,360
think I've ever had. Right? Valerie is 10

542
00:19:05,497 --> 00:19:07,899
and basically can read my mind. Like I

543
00:19:07,899 --> 00:19:09,252
really don't have to tell her to do

544
00:19:09,252 --> 00:19:12,755
much. She has been so ind in the

545
00:19:12,755 --> 00:19:15,634
process of my life that she just does

546
00:19:15,634 --> 00:19:18,414
the things. She's what made me pay attention

547
00:19:18,414 --> 00:19:20,002
to you in the early days. Yeah. To

548
00:19:20,002 --> 00:19:21,669
be honest, like, when I first met you,

549
00:19:21,828 --> 00:19:23,595
I just thought You just another do that

550
00:19:23,595 --> 00:19:26,394
you know guy? No. Army guy that says

551
00:19:26,394 --> 00:19:26,634
things.

552
00:19:29,515 --> 00:19:31,363
But when you brought value around, and I

553
00:19:31,363 --> 00:19:33,033
watch your trainer, I thought, Holy shit, I've

554
00:19:33,033 --> 00:19:34,487
never seen anyone

555
00:19:34,941 --> 00:19:37,327
manny just bring up that well. Yeah. Usually

556
00:19:37,327 --> 00:19:39,406
when I see people manage bring gets like,

557
00:19:39,565 --> 00:19:41,150
they're just crazy and they just piss off

558
00:19:41,150 --> 00:19:43,369
and run off and Yeah. Same thing it

559
00:19:43,369 --> 00:19:44,795
takes them forever to try get the dog

560
00:19:44,795 --> 00:19:46,874
back. But she was like, walking between your

561
00:19:46,874 --> 00:19:50,158
legs. She was shifting positions well, healing beautifully,

562
00:19:50,613 --> 00:19:51,113
focused

563
00:19:51,488 --> 00:19:51,965
heels,

564
00:19:52,522 --> 00:19:54,852
coming back when cold going to markers. Like,

565
00:19:55,092 --> 00:19:56,450
she was doing all the stuff, and I

566
00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:57,888
thought you've put some work into this little

567
00:19:57,888 --> 00:19:59,726
door. Yeah And I did. Yep. And that's

568
00:19:59,726 --> 00:20:01,025
why she's so

569
00:20:01,419 --> 00:20:04,133
easy now. Was the first 18 did the

570
00:20:04,133 --> 00:20:05,729
ground her life. The first 80 months of

571
00:20:05,729 --> 00:20:07,884
her life were insanity. And not Insanity, but

572
00:20:07,963 --> 00:20:10,454
I was at the kind of Yeah. And

573
00:20:10,454 --> 00:20:12,694
we we were filming everything. What's wrong that

574
00:20:12,694 --> 00:20:14,375
that's how should be. No. Exactly. Like, if

575
00:20:14,375 --> 00:20:16,214
you look at the timeline of a dog

576
00:20:16,214 --> 00:20:17,414
between the time you get it. Let's say

577
00:20:17,414 --> 00:20:19,258
you get dogs from puppies. I I know

578
00:20:19,258 --> 00:20:21,322
this conversation happened many, many times in my

579
00:20:21,322 --> 00:20:22,910
head a lot as well. It's what I

580
00:20:22,910 --> 00:20:24,339
say to people when they come to me

581
00:20:24,339 --> 00:20:26,165
for dog training problems are said, the issue

582
00:20:26,165 --> 00:20:26,665
is

583
00:20:26,974 --> 00:20:29,369
We get puppies from 8 weeks. Give will

584
00:20:29,369 --> 00:20:31,045
take a couple of weeks here there. By

585
00:20:31,045 --> 00:20:33,200
the time we get dogs trained,

586
00:20:33,679 --> 00:20:35,927
they're at an age where they're old. There's

587
00:20:35,927 --> 00:20:38,391
789 years of age. They're given up on

588
00:20:38,391 --> 00:20:39,822
pulling and so forth because they're just thinking,

589
00:20:39,981 --> 00:20:41,571
oh, just don't have the energy for it

590
00:20:41,571 --> 00:20:43,956
anymore. Yeah. And you've had to go through

591
00:20:43,956 --> 00:20:46,038
all that time You just said, you know,

592
00:20:46,197 --> 00:20:47,629
like her life was very hectic in that

593
00:20:47,629 --> 00:20:49,936
first 80 18 months. If only... Yeah. Yeah.

594
00:20:50,095 --> 00:20:53,133
If only, everybody did that, Yeah. Forever more,

595
00:20:53,451 --> 00:20:55,836
that's a life saving technique right there. Yeah.

596
00:20:56,075 --> 00:20:58,142
So if you're talking about animals getting pissed

597
00:20:58,142 --> 00:21:01,664
off to welfare to rescue to being eu

598
00:21:02,054 --> 00:21:04,212
and so forth, if only other people did

599
00:21:04,212 --> 00:21:06,769
what you did. If only people structured their

600
00:21:06,769 --> 00:21:08,686
dog's life in that first day 18 months,

601
00:21:08,846 --> 00:21:10,379
the rest of the time is cake, Yeah.

602
00:21:10,619 --> 00:21:12,057
It's fucking cake. I mean, it's a bit

603
00:21:12,057 --> 00:21:13,656
of chilly at the start, but the rest

604
00:21:13,656 --> 00:21:15,813
of the time it's cake. Yeah. Exactly. I

605
00:21:15,813 --> 00:21:17,491
learned that before I was even in dogs

606
00:21:17,491 --> 00:21:18,690
when I was on a working on a

607
00:21:18,690 --> 00:21:20,453
building site and there was a guy that

608
00:21:20,453 --> 00:21:22,119
had his, like, back of the car dog.

609
00:21:22,357 --> 00:21:23,785
Yeah. And it was the same thing like

610
00:21:23,785 --> 00:21:25,530
it... I think we've talked about our building

611
00:21:25,530 --> 00:21:27,293
mate dogs like I had 1 called assholes

612
00:21:27,293 --> 00:21:29,600
ourselves that doug your ass and yeah. And

613
00:21:29,759 --> 00:21:31,588
Oh, well, like, when I was in apprentice

614
00:21:31,588 --> 00:21:32,940
because I, you know, Worked on voting sites

615
00:21:32,940 --> 00:21:34,531
for a year before I joined the army.

616
00:21:35,024 --> 00:21:36,464
This is in 2001.

617
00:21:36,704 --> 00:21:37,984
Yeah. So it's not like this is a

618
00:21:37,984 --> 00:21:39,585
long time ago. It is a long time

619
00:21:39,585 --> 00:21:41,744
ago, but it's not like this is 23

620
00:21:41,744 --> 00:21:43,596
years ago okay. Yeah. But back then, like,

621
00:21:43,755 --> 00:21:45,266
if you try to take someone of someone's

622
00:21:45,266 --> 00:21:46,937
unit, and their dog would buy you. You're

623
00:21:46,937 --> 00:21:48,687
an idiot for getting bitten by their dog.

624
00:21:48,925 --> 00:21:51,829
There was no, like, Oh, no. Like, no

625
00:21:51,967 --> 00:21:54,039
issue. No. Not issue. That was scared. You

626
00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:56,191
went to somebody else's. Yeah. Car, you touched

627
00:21:56,191 --> 00:21:58,199
their shit with without permission. Beat you fuck

628
00:21:58,199 --> 00:21:59,953
you. Yeah. You should... You're an idiot. You're

629
00:21:59,953 --> 00:22:01,469
not bitten by that dog? But so this

630
00:22:01,469 --> 00:22:02,825
1 guy I remember talking to him and

631
00:22:02,825 --> 00:22:04,340
he had his dog on the site. And

632
00:22:04,420 --> 00:22:06,095
I remember asking him, like, how did you

633
00:22:06,095 --> 00:22:07,530
train this dog? He I remember him saying,

634
00:22:07,865 --> 00:22:09,545
you just gotta be really strict for the

635
00:22:09,545 --> 00:22:12,105
first 08:18 months. That's it. And then everything

636
00:22:12,105 --> 00:22:13,144
else just falls into place.

637
00:22:13,785 --> 00:22:15,625
Anyway, Valerie has been that. Like, she's a

638
00:22:15,625 --> 00:22:17,878
borderline wild animal. I think that if I

639
00:22:17,878 --> 00:22:20,674
actually tried to give her straight commands, she

640
00:22:20,674 --> 00:22:22,512
would look at me like, hey. I don't

641
00:22:22,512 --> 00:22:25,082
get told what to do. But She just

642
00:22:25,082 --> 00:22:26,994
knows what to do is appropriate at the

643
00:22:26,994 --> 00:22:29,065
right time. Right? So she knows when I

644
00:22:29,065 --> 00:22:30,420
put her on leash. She walks on my

645
00:22:30,420 --> 00:22:32,491
left, Ram walks on my right. They both

646
00:22:32,491 --> 00:22:33,686
just walk along beside me.

647
00:22:34,419 --> 00:22:35,616
Anyway, I digress.

648
00:22:36,414 --> 00:22:39,528
Having my dogs off leash is just not

649
00:22:39,528 --> 00:22:41,443
a goal that I have for walking around.

650
00:22:41,603 --> 00:22:44,093
Now Valerie could easily do it. And as

651
00:22:44,253 --> 00:22:45,531
I say, the 2 dogs I have now

652
00:22:45,691 --> 00:22:48,088
Valor and Rem that are my dogs have

653
00:22:48,088 --> 00:22:50,085
at 1 point in their life been extremely

654
00:22:50,085 --> 00:22:52,255
highly trained dogs. Rem still is, you know,

655
00:22:52,414 --> 00:22:54,329
like, we only just got a Psa 2

656
00:22:54,329 --> 00:22:56,325
a month ago. Like, we are still in

657
00:22:56,325 --> 00:22:57,920
a very high level of control.

658
00:22:58,493 --> 00:23:00,801
And he will do basically what I tell

659
00:23:00,801 --> 00:23:02,234
him to do. Every now and again, he

660
00:23:02,234 --> 00:23:03,667
might be like, hey, I'm very interested in

661
00:23:03,667 --> 00:23:06,548
something else, but I have the compulsive ability

662
00:23:06,548 --> 00:23:08,304
at that point, like I've layered the pressure

663
00:23:08,304 --> 00:23:09,342
to be like, no. No. You're doing it,

664
00:23:09,422 --> 00:23:11,337
and he happily does it. Yep. So if

665
00:23:11,497 --> 00:23:14,211
I wanted to, I could easily walk from

666
00:23:14,211 --> 00:23:16,132
my house to wherever I want. And Rem

667
00:23:16,132 --> 00:23:17,481
you're doing it in a focus heal. You

668
00:23:17,481 --> 00:23:19,464
what I way? Like, it's totally possible, but

669
00:23:19,464 --> 00:23:21,367
it's just not something I'm interested in.

670
00:23:22,098 --> 00:23:23,532
But then I there's too much scope for

671
00:23:23,532 --> 00:23:25,125
things to go wrong in those sort of

672
00:23:25,125 --> 00:23:28,072
scenarios. Totally. For putting all that prep work

673
00:23:28,072 --> 00:23:30,621
in, and then having an end goal for

674
00:23:30,621 --> 00:23:32,705
it. Only let your ego get carried away

675
00:23:32,705 --> 00:23:34,058
with you and say, oh, now I've gotta

676
00:23:34,058 --> 00:23:36,605
walk the dog down like up into a

677
00:23:36,605 --> 00:23:38,356
cafe, just so the lady at the shop

678
00:23:38,356 --> 00:23:40,671
thinks everything's okay. Yeah. So that I look

679
00:23:40,671 --> 00:23:42,415
cool and people believe that I'm good at

680
00:23:42,415 --> 00:23:44,159
doing what. And it's great if it goes

681
00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:45,745
great. But you only have to have the

682
00:23:45,745 --> 00:23:47,108
dog run onto road. You don't have to

683
00:23:47,108 --> 00:23:49,172
have another dog come out. And then the

684
00:23:49,172 --> 00:23:50,759
level of control that you've got in those

685
00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:51,552
sort of situations.

686
00:23:52,346 --> 00:23:53,695
And it might not be your dog's fault.

687
00:23:54,013 --> 00:23:55,615
Be the other dog's fault. But the problem

688
00:23:55,615 --> 00:23:57,757
is it's now giving your dog something else

689
00:23:57,757 --> 00:23:59,105
to think about that you didn't want your

690
00:23:59,105 --> 00:24:01,486
dog to think about. Yep. Exactly. That's my

691
00:24:01,486 --> 00:24:04,120
thoughts around it anyway. Like, I've had on

692
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,664
discussions with people over a myriad of years.

693
00:24:07,221 --> 00:24:09,367
And I remember sort of recount in my

694
00:24:09,367 --> 00:24:11,036
head, a technique that I did with Holly

695
00:24:11,036 --> 00:24:12,920
when he was a young dog thinking about

696
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:14,547
some of the stories that you've talked about

697
00:24:14,547 --> 00:24:17,563
from L, mine and yours and in the

698
00:24:17,563 --> 00:24:20,103
variance and in dogs growing up. I got

699
00:24:20,182 --> 00:24:21,611
Hal in 19 89.

700
00:24:21,944 --> 00:24:24,585
So 19 89, that's when my mate mark

701
00:24:24,585 --> 00:24:26,904
and I cohort bought Holly together. He had

702
00:24:26,904 --> 00:24:28,105
to move out of the house, so I

703
00:24:28,105 --> 00:24:29,065
paid him for the rest of the money

704
00:24:29,065 --> 00:24:30,998
and I took possession of the dog. That's

705
00:24:30,998 --> 00:24:31,897
a whole

706
00:24:32,273 --> 00:24:34,506
lifetime ago for some people. I remember as

707
00:24:34,506 --> 00:24:36,339
he started growing up, my uncle at the

708
00:24:36,339 --> 00:24:37,694
time he said to me Mate, you can't

709
00:24:37,694 --> 00:24:39,544
have a dog like this. Because we all

710
00:24:39,544 --> 00:24:41,062
thought he was a pure Rod. It was

711
00:24:41,062 --> 00:24:42,980
a Rod shepherd Cross. But he said you

712
00:24:42,980 --> 00:24:44,679
kind have a dog like this and not

713
00:24:44,738 --> 00:24:46,416
be involved in active training. It was the

714
00:24:46,416 --> 00:24:48,344
best words I've ever got. For all the

715
00:24:48,344 --> 00:24:49,851
things that my uncle didn't do in life.

716
00:24:50,089 --> 00:24:52,152
He did that really well. He gave me

717
00:24:52,152 --> 00:24:53,817
some great guidance and he gave me some

718
00:24:53,817 --> 00:24:55,582
books that he had, and I read the

719
00:24:55,582 --> 00:24:57,257
books covered cover, like, 3 or 4 times.

720
00:24:57,496 --> 00:24:59,251
And I used to walked down to the

721
00:24:59,251 --> 00:25:01,723
park that was behind us, and my... I

722
00:25:01,723 --> 00:25:02,999
remember 1 day I went to go down

723
00:25:02,999 --> 00:25:05,007
there, and he pulled me like, a fucking

724
00:25:05,007 --> 00:25:06,597
steam train the whole way down there, and

725
00:25:06,677 --> 00:25:08,188
I was so angry by the time I

726
00:25:08,188 --> 00:25:08,506
got there.

727
00:25:09,222 --> 00:25:11,688
Mind you, I was only just getting into

728
00:25:11,688 --> 00:25:13,770
my training career at this stage. I'd been

729
00:25:13,770 --> 00:25:15,361
to other places and I knew a little

730
00:25:15,361 --> 00:25:17,189
bit about training just enough to be dangerous.

731
00:25:17,428 --> 00:25:18,859
Mh. But I got down to the park,

732
00:25:19,018 --> 00:25:20,767
and I thought to myself, there is no

733
00:25:20,767 --> 00:25:23,409
fucking way. I'm gonna let you get off

734
00:25:23,409 --> 00:25:24,847
laid now that you pulled me all the

735
00:25:24,847 --> 00:25:25,966
way down there. Because I used to let

736
00:25:25,966 --> 00:25:27,085
him go down there and we used to

737
00:25:27,085 --> 00:25:28,763
walk and letting him get to the park,

738
00:25:29,082 --> 00:25:31,500
but it became such a negative reinforced

739
00:25:31,892 --> 00:25:33,956
behavior that he got better and better at

740
00:25:33,956 --> 00:25:35,783
pulling, and I just wasn't paying attention to

741
00:25:35,783 --> 00:25:37,371
it. Mh. To this day, where just thought,

742
00:25:37,450 --> 00:25:39,356
no. I'm impatient. I'm going, and you're gonna

743
00:25:39,356 --> 00:25:40,468
let me go as soon as we get

744
00:25:40,468 --> 00:25:43,104
there. We got there, like, literally because he

745
00:25:43,104 --> 00:25:45,249
pulled me tumbling down the road, and I

746
00:25:45,249 --> 00:25:46,917
thought not, and I fucking marched him all

747
00:25:46,917 --> 00:25:48,029
the way back to the house. I put

748
00:25:48,029 --> 00:25:49,434
him in the back garden, and I just

749
00:25:49,794 --> 00:25:51,867
ignored him, no food. So I kind of,

750
00:25:51,946 --> 00:25:53,860
like, lay punished him for everything.

751
00:25:54,498 --> 00:25:56,173
I got him out the next day. He

752
00:25:56,173 --> 00:25:57,847
was pulling, but he wasn't pulling as bad,

753
00:25:57,927 --> 00:25:59,294
but I just thought not I just turned

754
00:25:59,294 --> 00:26:00,484
around. We got 3 calls of the way.

755
00:26:00,721 --> 00:26:02,070
I just turned around, did the same thing.

756
00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:03,680
I put him in the back garden and

757
00:26:03,735 --> 00:26:05,876
just ignored him, no food. I gave him

758
00:26:05,876 --> 00:26:07,721
food later on course like... Yeah, But no

759
00:26:07,721 --> 00:26:08,838
not Don't know what. He would pair to...

760
00:26:09,077 --> 00:26:11,390
Right. Yeah. It had to be stacked because

761
00:26:11,390 --> 00:26:13,464
even though I was learning about the terms

762
00:26:13,464 --> 00:26:16,176
of negative punishment, it wasn't really conclusive in

763
00:26:16,176 --> 00:26:17,470
my head that was doing the right thing,

764
00:26:17,549 --> 00:26:19,309
but I just thought to myself, fuck you.

765
00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:20,910
I'm not gonna let you do this. That

766
00:26:20,910 --> 00:26:23,230
was embarrassing. It was insulting to our relationship.

767
00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:24,109
It's not gonna happen.

768
00:26:24,684 --> 00:26:26,040
So marching him back home and put him

769
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:26,598
in the backyard.

770
00:26:27,156 --> 00:26:29,310
This went on for a 4 week, a

771
00:26:29,310 --> 00:26:31,862
4 week of us struggling with this position,

772
00:26:32,022 --> 00:26:33,378
and he was wearing correction chain at the

773
00:26:33,378 --> 00:26:35,150
time, but he just thought fuck I'm pulling

774
00:26:35,150 --> 00:26:37,069
through it. So the correction chain turned into

775
00:26:37,069 --> 00:26:39,169
a choke collar, because he was just literally

776
00:26:39,309 --> 00:26:40,829
1 of those dogs that gag and the

777
00:26:40,829 --> 00:26:42,600
hu and passed. Mh Mate we got to

778
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,064
the stage where he understood it. He kinda

779
00:26:45,064 --> 00:26:48,323
thought I'm losing here. So let's say, 2

780
00:26:48,323 --> 00:26:49,834
and a half weeks into this because I

781
00:26:49,834 --> 00:26:52,235
was vigilant back then. Like, If I stuck

782
00:26:52,235 --> 00:26:53,986
in my mind about something there was no

783
00:26:53,986 --> 00:26:55,418
way I was gonna come back on it.

784
00:26:55,737 --> 00:26:57,090
So 2 and a half weeks, we got

785
00:26:57,090 --> 00:26:58,783
down there and he walked beautifully

786
00:26:59,253 --> 00:27:01,320
wasn't healing. We do social walking down there,

787
00:27:01,718 --> 00:27:04,262
but he walked loose leash the entire distance

788
00:27:04,262 --> 00:27:06,330
from the house to the park. So then

789
00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:08,573
what I did, I thought, I wonder what

790
00:27:08,573 --> 00:27:10,483
happened when I make the noise of the

791
00:27:10,483 --> 00:27:12,234
g snap when I click it. So I

792
00:27:12,313 --> 00:27:13,587
I clicked it, but I left it on

793
00:27:13,587 --> 00:27:15,338
and he went to dash. I dragging back

794
00:27:15,338 --> 00:27:18,223
home. And after period of time, I could

795
00:27:18,223 --> 00:27:20,381
sit there. For me, I was just very

796
00:27:20,381 --> 00:27:22,538
bloody minded about things. I just thought you

797
00:27:22,538 --> 00:27:24,936
cannot beat me at this game. Yeah. I

798
00:27:24,936 --> 00:27:27,502
have to win this for both our sakes.

799
00:27:28,377 --> 00:27:29,650
Reflecting back on this story,

800
00:27:30,207 --> 00:27:31,104
I didn't know

801
00:27:31,479 --> 00:27:34,043
1 twentieth of what I now. Yeah. But

802
00:27:34,123 --> 00:27:36,759
I did everything right. Remarkably. I did everything

803
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:38,757
right. Because I sitting there and I go

804
00:27:38,757 --> 00:27:41,088
snap and he tried bolt and then he

805
00:27:41,088 --> 00:27:42,605
start looking at me. And again, this was

806
00:27:42,605 --> 00:27:44,282
a week later of him not getting off

807
00:27:44,282 --> 00:27:46,278
in the park. I remember, my wife at

808
00:27:46,278 --> 00:27:47,714
the time said to me... Because I tell

809
00:27:47,714 --> 00:27:49,151
the story when Went home because I was

810
00:27:49,151 --> 00:27:51,400
fuming mad And she go, oh, it's so

811
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,596
cool. You should just let him go and

812
00:27:52,596 --> 00:27:54,430
said, but then he wins. Yeah. Then he

813
00:27:54,430 --> 00:27:56,504
gets everything and it's all for naught. And

814
00:27:56,504 --> 00:27:57,700
she said, yeah, but you've walked all the

815
00:27:57,700 --> 00:27:59,786
way down there, and I said so There's

816
00:27:59,786 --> 00:28:01,531
gotta be a lesson in this. So after

817
00:28:01,531 --> 00:28:03,515
a period of time, like I'd walking down

818
00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:05,419
beautiful Loose leash walk, I'd sit down there,

819
00:28:05,578 --> 00:28:06,926
and I'd sit on the seat, and I

820
00:28:06,926 --> 00:28:09,489
just got PPPP

821
00:28:09,489 --> 00:28:11,323
with the g snap. By the end of

822
00:28:11,323 --> 00:28:13,635
it, I was taking his leash off and

823
00:28:13,635 --> 00:28:15,150
putting it back on with had him even

824
00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:16,665
knowing that it was on and off. Yeah.

825
00:28:16,999 --> 00:28:19,788
So we've gone through creating a habit that

826
00:28:19,947 --> 00:28:22,678
I didn't realize that I'd had let sleep

827
00:28:22,736 --> 00:28:24,192
into my methodology

828
00:28:24,824 --> 00:28:26,979
into creating a, like a much better form

829
00:28:26,979 --> 00:28:29,214
of behavior that every single time we walk

830
00:28:29,214 --> 00:28:31,689
to the park, he knew the requirements of

831
00:28:31,689 --> 00:28:33,365
getting there and getting to an off leash

832
00:28:33,365 --> 00:28:35,937
status if at all was, he had to

833
00:28:35,937 --> 00:28:38,095
walk down beautifully unleash, had to be a

834
00:28:38,095 --> 00:28:40,252
beautiful loose leash walk all the way down.

835
00:28:40,811 --> 00:28:42,742
This was an informal walk of course. I

836
00:28:42,742 --> 00:28:44,328
didn't make him do focused heal or anything

837
00:28:44,328 --> 00:28:46,946
like that. He'd do periods of healing, but

838
00:28:46,946 --> 00:28:47,446
mostly

839
00:28:47,977 --> 00:28:50,357
informal loose walking. We get to the park,

840
00:28:50,848 --> 00:28:52,598
sit on the chair. I'd snap the leash

841
00:28:52,598 --> 00:28:53,871
for a period of time. I'd take the

842
00:28:53,871 --> 00:28:55,144
leash on and off him, and then I'd

843
00:28:55,144 --> 00:28:56,814
give him permission to do it. Now when

844
00:28:56,894 --> 00:28:58,815
I let him run, I'd always make sure

845
00:28:58,815 --> 00:29:00,482
a, there was nobody else in the park

846
00:29:00,482 --> 00:29:02,386
that he could interact with. Wasn't a dog

847
00:29:02,386 --> 00:29:04,394
aggressive dog at all. He was very social

848
00:29:04,688 --> 00:29:07,323
with people. Holly is still to this day

849
00:29:07,323 --> 00:29:09,094
is still 1 of the most brutal

850
00:29:09,468 --> 00:29:11,454
and active working dogs that I've ever worked

851
00:29:11,454 --> 00:29:13,123
with and never had the privilege of living

852
00:29:13,123 --> 00:29:14,973
with. But the most

853
00:29:15,364 --> 00:29:18,075
gentle, beautiful soul of a dog that would

854
00:29:18,075 --> 00:29:20,309
play with anybody in his path. Like for

855
00:29:20,309 --> 00:29:22,383
him, meeting people in the park or meeting

856
00:29:22,383 --> 00:29:23,818
people in the str or meeting people in

857
00:29:23,818 --> 00:29:26,224
my home was the best thing in life

858
00:29:26,224 --> 00:29:27,976
for him. That wasn't a job he was

859
00:29:27,976 --> 00:29:29,887
told Did it was like you soldier. Like,

860
00:29:29,966 --> 00:29:31,320
if you told you're on a mission, you

861
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,673
need to go out. There's bad guys you

862
00:29:32,673 --> 00:29:34,920
need to do this. You go, okay. That's

863
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,275
the job. Mh. You know, we need to

864
00:29:36,275 --> 00:29:38,109
do the job for the sake of world

865
00:29:38,109 --> 00:29:40,820
peace or peace in this area or to

866
00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:43,628
stop a barbarian from raping and murdering and

867
00:29:43,628 --> 00:29:44,747
pill and whatever.

868
00:29:45,386 --> 00:29:47,783
Holly was a smart dog incredible through training,

869
00:29:48,023 --> 00:29:50,021
but he knew that that was his life,

870
00:29:50,260 --> 00:29:51,000
but his

871
00:29:51,472 --> 00:29:53,382
Default position was 1 of the kind of

872
00:29:53,382 --> 00:29:54,575
dogs you ever met in your life. Yeah.

873
00:29:55,052 --> 00:29:57,996
Incredible dog. It sounds like I'm immortal him

874
00:29:57,996 --> 00:30:00,119
from something that happened a very long time

875
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:01,992
where it doesn't exist a lot of media

876
00:30:01,992 --> 00:30:03,506
about it, but there were a lot of

877
00:30:03,506 --> 00:30:05,099
people who saw it. Yeah. You know, like,

878
00:30:05,338 --> 00:30:05,918
I'm talking

879
00:30:06,295 --> 00:30:08,526
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people who

880
00:30:08,526 --> 00:30:09,902
all saw it people from

881
00:30:10,293 --> 00:30:13,237
America, people from Germany people from Holland, local

882
00:30:13,237 --> 00:30:15,306
people in Australia, probably thousands of people who

883
00:30:15,306 --> 00:30:17,852
saw it. So I have collective evidence of

884
00:30:17,852 --> 00:30:20,174
people who knew inventory him and witnessed him

885
00:30:20,174 --> 00:30:22,003
being that type of dog, but switch him

886
00:30:22,003 --> 00:30:24,548
on. He was a fucking brutal machine. Mh.

887
00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:27,888
But such a lovely lovely dog to share

888
00:30:27,888 --> 00:30:28,524
a life with.

889
00:30:29,494 --> 00:30:31,406
And this event that we went through, like

890
00:30:31,406 --> 00:30:33,080
it was such a struggle at start, but

891
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,311
I was determined I was not going to

892
00:30:35,311 --> 00:30:37,796
be fucking drag down the street. On my

893
00:30:37,796 --> 00:30:40,739
belly by this big powerful fucking beast of

894
00:30:40,739 --> 00:30:42,728
a dog, and then put on my ass

895
00:30:42,728 --> 00:30:44,478
every time I was gonna do it. He

896
00:30:44,478 --> 00:30:46,563
learned in no time at all. There is

897
00:30:46,563 --> 00:30:48,397
no advantage for me to get to this

898
00:30:48,397 --> 00:30:51,370
park and act like a and then have

899
00:30:51,587 --> 00:30:53,422
no relief from it. I would say within

900
00:30:53,422 --> 00:30:55,257
a month, we have it perfectly rounded off.

901
00:30:55,416 --> 00:30:57,575
We go down park. Letting him run his

902
00:30:57,575 --> 00:30:59,398
fucking legs off. I'd kick a ball ram

903
00:30:59,398 --> 00:31:01,697
for him. We'd play balls. We played biting

904
00:31:01,697 --> 00:31:03,203
on tug. We do all that sort of

905
00:31:03,203 --> 00:31:05,126
stuff. I asked him to come back. He'd

906
00:31:05,126 --> 00:31:06,398
come back. I'll pop him on the leisure

907
00:31:06,398 --> 00:31:09,500
walk down beautifully. So within the framework of

908
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:11,568
all that struggle and might to be honest.

909
00:31:12,538 --> 00:31:14,368
There were times where I was wholly emotional

910
00:31:14,368 --> 00:31:15,641
about it to the point where I'd nearly

911
00:31:15,641 --> 00:31:17,630
go home at burst tears because I so

912
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:20,335
upset that I was being the asshole, restricting

913
00:31:20,335 --> 00:31:22,179
my dog from going on the I really

914
00:31:22,179 --> 00:31:22,679
felt

915
00:31:23,133 --> 00:31:25,995
like, I'd done an incredible injustice to my

916
00:31:25,995 --> 00:31:28,380
dog. Mh but I hadn't. When you reflect

917
00:31:28,380 --> 00:31:30,624
on that, Yeah. Being that that's over 30

918
00:31:30,624 --> 00:31:32,377
years ago. Mh. And you were not a

919
00:31:32,377 --> 00:31:33,732
trainer. You were just a person that had

920
00:31:33,732 --> 00:31:35,166
a dog. Yeah. Was just a guy with

921
00:31:35,166 --> 00:31:36,680
a dog. Is it make you laugh like,

922
00:31:36,934 --> 00:31:38,688
that you spend a month doing it when...

923
00:31:38,927 --> 00:31:41,079
Like, you got their goal. But like now

924
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:43,072
you'd do that on the walk. Like, you'd

925
00:31:43,072 --> 00:31:44,507
be able to do it on the way

926
00:31:44,507 --> 00:31:46,354
there. Yeah Like if a adult pulled your

927
00:31:46,354 --> 00:31:47,868
knee, you pause your whole, you're bring him

928
00:31:47,868 --> 00:31:49,461
back in into position, you wait till larry

929
00:31:49,461 --> 00:31:50,815
reset it, then you hit going forward Like,

930
00:31:51,214 --> 00:31:52,224
you know, most

931
00:31:52,662 --> 00:31:55,207
dog trainers, a lot of our business is

932
00:31:55,207 --> 00:31:57,673
just to teaching Loose walking to the people

933
00:31:57,673 --> 00:31:59,026
whose dog drag him down the street.

934
00:31:59,678 --> 00:32:01,353
And most of the time, you, we can

935
00:32:01,353 --> 00:32:03,267
get a dog not pulling in 15 minutes.

936
00:32:03,586 --> 00:32:05,102
You know, Like, and then you can walk

937
00:32:05,102 --> 00:32:05,602
around

938
00:32:06,139 --> 00:32:07,973
to an extent with the dog understanding. You

939
00:32:07,973 --> 00:32:09,090
oh, there's no success in pulling.

940
00:32:09,901 --> 00:32:11,173
Does it make you a sort of laugh

941
00:32:11,173 --> 00:32:12,230
to think like, how

942
00:32:12,684 --> 00:32:14,991
effective you would be at that now versus

943
00:32:14,991 --> 00:32:15,230
then?

944
00:32:15,866 --> 00:32:17,798
I recall a comment that you said

945
00:32:18,107 --> 00:32:21,601
many, many years ago into our podcast history

946
00:32:21,601 --> 00:32:23,688
together. Where you said, I wish I could

947
00:32:23,824 --> 00:32:25,570
have the time with my dogs again and

948
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:26,682
apologized. Yeah.

949
00:32:27,174 --> 00:32:29,166
The injustices that they had to go through.

950
00:32:29,803 --> 00:32:31,955
And there's so many things that I wish

951
00:32:32,114 --> 00:32:33,788
I could say to Holly. He was the

952
00:32:33,788 --> 00:32:34,288
template

953
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,089
for which I built my career on. And

954
00:32:37,465 --> 00:32:39,955
again, I had great true. I had great

955
00:32:40,171 --> 00:32:42,263
mentorship, but I didn't have

956
00:32:42,734 --> 00:32:45,289
a lot of framework. You know, like, now

957
00:32:45,289 --> 00:32:47,285
when people are sitting at home when you're

958
00:32:47,285 --> 00:32:48,642
not at club and your mentor is not

959
00:32:48,642 --> 00:32:50,478
there. You can get online and you can

960
00:32:50,478 --> 00:32:53,122
research shit to the hilt. That wasn't around.

961
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,059
So, basically, for me, it was a a

962
00:32:56,059 --> 00:32:57,488
week to week thing. Like, you had to

963
00:32:57,488 --> 00:32:59,552
kind of wait till or Thursday or Sunday.

964
00:33:00,123 --> 00:33:02,748
To ask these questions and be left with

965
00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:05,555
the resolution in your own time. Mh So

966
00:33:05,692 --> 00:33:08,015
it's no wonder that things took such a

967
00:33:08,015 --> 00:33:09,928
long time because you kinda had to work

968
00:33:09,928 --> 00:33:12,579
it at yourself. Yeah had to become handy

969
00:33:12,637 --> 00:33:15,202
and crafty in what you were doing. Now

970
00:33:15,202 --> 00:33:17,276
people just fucking hand you the information. Yeah.

971
00:33:17,516 --> 00:33:20,329
You've got a glut of fucking fantastic

972
00:33:20,865 --> 00:33:23,498
mentorship. Yeah. Yeah. And programs and online courses

973
00:33:23,498 --> 00:33:24,509
you can do with people

974
00:33:24,947 --> 00:33:27,494
spoil for fucking choices. All the information there

975
00:33:27,494 --> 00:33:30,040
the only difficulty is filtering it. Yes. That

976
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,951
is the issue. It's like a drag net

977
00:33:31,951 --> 00:33:34,075
of information. And what I mean by that

978
00:33:34,274 --> 00:33:36,744
is there's tons of good information out there

979
00:33:36,744 --> 00:33:38,997
as well, but there's so much more poor

980
00:33:39,215 --> 00:33:41,685
information. Like, it's... There's... You have to swim

981
00:33:41,685 --> 00:33:43,613
through sewage to get out into the nice

982
00:33:43,613 --> 00:33:45,387
water sometimes, and you just think

983
00:33:45,843 --> 00:33:47,676
how do I know? And the only way

984
00:33:47,676 --> 00:33:49,844
you know is when you know. Yeah. I

985
00:33:49,844 --> 00:33:50,963
know that sounds like a bit of an

986
00:33:50,963 --> 00:33:53,520
oxy moron of an answer. But the only

987
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,837
way you know is from experience. Yeah. Like,

988
00:33:55,997 --> 00:33:57,835
you only know that something's good when you

989
00:33:57,835 --> 00:34:00,164
know what bad is. Yeah. For sure. Everything's

990
00:34:00,164 --> 00:34:03,433
relative. Everything's relative. Leash, leash back to it.

991
00:34:03,752 --> 00:34:05,586
So I'm sitting... I have this conversation with

992
00:34:05,586 --> 00:34:07,021
this lady in the cafe. I go back

993
00:34:07,021 --> 00:34:08,308
to my work and I'm sitting there and

994
00:34:08,467 --> 00:34:10,055
I'm thinking about leash. Right?

995
00:34:11,484 --> 00:34:13,389
Something about my own training style since I

996
00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:15,612
became a dog person. Alright since I was

997
00:34:15,612 --> 00:34:17,700
a dog trainer. Or like, not a dog

998
00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:20,820
trainer. I've only been, like, professional dog trainer

999
00:34:20,820 --> 00:34:22,900
for just coming up on 9 years now,

1000
00:34:23,059 --> 00:34:24,593
because I left the army. But, like I've

1001
00:34:24,593 --> 00:34:27,144
been in dogs and doing dog stuff for

1002
00:34:27,144 --> 00:34:29,057
a while, like, a decent amount of time

1003
00:34:29,057 --> 00:34:30,971
prior to that. Mh But this is just,

1004
00:34:31,130 --> 00:34:32,167
like, as a profession.

1005
00:34:33,057 --> 00:34:34,408
I was like, okay, I'm a I'm a

1006
00:34:34,408 --> 00:34:36,473
professional dog man. What do I think about

1007
00:34:36,473 --> 00:34:38,403
leash? And then I sort of started revenue

1008
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:38,698
on...

1009
00:34:39,572 --> 00:34:41,734
I've been through some iterations of of how

1010
00:34:41,734 --> 00:34:43,494
much I use leases. So when I first

1011
00:34:43,494 --> 00:34:45,255
started getting in dog training, I was very

1012
00:34:45,255 --> 00:34:47,894
least heavy. Yep. Because I had dogs that

1013
00:34:48,054 --> 00:34:49,335
I had to control it and I had

1014
00:34:49,335 --> 00:34:50,784
to keep a hold of I was trying

1015
00:34:50,784 --> 00:34:52,134
to bring them back in so it became

1016
00:34:52,134 --> 00:34:54,118
a bit of a habit. Mh And then

1017
00:34:54,197 --> 00:34:56,206
I definitely have been crew phases

1018
00:34:56,737 --> 00:34:59,853
where I've not used the leash anywhere near

1019
00:34:59,853 --> 00:35:02,088
as much as I wish that I or

1020
00:35:02,088 --> 00:35:04,403
on reflection that I should have, Mh. Or

1021
00:35:04,403 --> 00:35:06,399
that I would do now. So, you know,

1022
00:35:06,718 --> 00:35:08,730
especially once when I got into shaping. And

1023
00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:10,410
when I really got into shaping and when

1024
00:35:10,570 --> 00:35:12,890
I really started understanding electrics and how to

1025
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:14,650
use them in order to communicate with the

1026
00:35:14,650 --> 00:35:16,170
dog and stuff like that rather than just

1027
00:35:16,170 --> 00:35:19,215
straight a aversion. I definitely spent a lot

1028
00:35:19,215 --> 00:35:21,922
of time with no leash on the docks.

1029
00:35:22,877 --> 00:35:24,071
And 1 of the things I think is

1030
00:35:24,071 --> 00:35:25,106
always super interesting.

1031
00:35:25,759 --> 00:35:28,076
We see it in a b. We see

1032
00:35:28,076 --> 00:35:30,813
it in the Psa level 1

1033
00:35:31,192 --> 00:35:34,163
where there's a healing on leash and there's

1034
00:35:34,163 --> 00:35:36,976
a healing off leash. Yep. And what we

1035
00:35:37,034 --> 00:35:38,470
almost always say it at those things is

1036
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:40,145
that the healing off leash is better than

1037
00:35:40,145 --> 00:35:41,980
the healing on leash. Yeah. And I think

1038
00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:43,630
that that is a real

1039
00:35:43,989 --> 00:35:46,869
insight into the conflict that people create with

1040
00:35:46,869 --> 00:35:49,989
their dog via. Yep. And so it sort

1041
00:35:49,989 --> 00:35:52,204
of had me thinking about my own training

1042
00:35:52,324 --> 00:35:54,819
styles and how I've been through these different

1043
00:35:55,117 --> 00:35:55,914
iterations of training.

1044
00:35:56,473 --> 00:35:58,867
Depending on who I'm working with, what I'm

1045
00:35:58,867 --> 00:36:01,032
interested in, And the reason I do this

1046
00:36:01,032 --> 00:36:02,384
for a job is I genuinely love it.

1047
00:36:02,623 --> 00:36:04,135
I put up an Instagram post the other

1048
00:36:04,135 --> 00:36:06,703
day about how we constantly joke

1049
00:36:07,093 --> 00:36:08,842
in training groups and a club and stuff

1050
00:36:08,842 --> 00:36:10,829
like that. 1 of the beauties of having

1051
00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:12,737
the club is that we get to develop

1052
00:36:12,737 --> 00:36:15,043
dogs end to end. And we're nurturing the

1053
00:36:15,043 --> 00:36:17,204
trainers, we get to do all the Bite

1054
00:36:17,204 --> 00:36:18,715
work sessions I get to either do or

1055
00:36:18,715 --> 00:36:19,112
be at.

1056
00:36:20,146 --> 00:36:21,974
I'm pretty tapped into what everybody's doing their

1057
00:36:21,974 --> 00:36:23,723
dog. So I get to see how things

1058
00:36:23,723 --> 00:36:26,054
play out. You get to find out does

1059
00:36:26,054 --> 00:36:28,074
this work. Yeah. That's the

1060
00:36:28,694 --> 00:36:30,214
conclusion that you can come to when you're

1061
00:36:30,214 --> 00:36:32,454
doing that end to end training, and the

1062
00:36:32,454 --> 00:36:34,380
great thing about it if you see something

1063
00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:36,441
that's not working quite well, you get to

1064
00:36:36,441 --> 00:36:38,264
modify it along the way. Yeah. It's kind

1065
00:36:38,264 --> 00:36:40,167
of, like writing a book and then you

1066
00:36:40,167 --> 00:36:40,667
realize

1067
00:36:41,292 --> 00:36:43,357
This story doesn't actually play out with the

1068
00:36:43,357 --> 00:36:44,707
conclusion. So what I need to do is

1069
00:36:44,707 --> 00:36:46,533
change 1 of the chapters. So it makes

1070
00:36:46,533 --> 00:36:48,915
much more sense. Yep. Along the way in

1071
00:36:48,915 --> 00:36:50,916
the next book I read. Right. I don't

1072
00:36:50,916 --> 00:36:52,845
know that there are that many dog trainers

1073
00:36:53,218 --> 00:36:53,718
that

1074
00:36:54,251 --> 00:36:57,268
get to see the start to finish. Like,

1075
00:36:57,427 --> 00:36:58,856
there's lots of people that teach puppy school.

1076
00:36:59,094 --> 00:37:01,255
Right? Yep. But they don't deal with adult

1077
00:37:01,255 --> 00:37:03,322
dogs. That's quite a common thing. There's lots

1078
00:37:03,322 --> 00:37:05,310
of people who just say, or no, I

1079
00:37:05,310 --> 00:37:06,980
just do puppies. And once they're an adolescent

1080
00:37:06,980 --> 00:37:08,411
dog they're out of my funnel, I only

1081
00:37:08,411 --> 00:37:11,138
want own puppy schools. That's fine. Yep. Except

1082
00:37:11,138 --> 00:37:12,896
some of those people are fucking installing boob

1083
00:37:12,896 --> 00:37:15,074
traps into those puppies. And they don't realize

1084
00:37:15,133 --> 00:37:17,291
that because they don't see what does this

1085
00:37:17,291 --> 00:37:19,297
puppy turn into. We'll just have a template

1086
00:37:19,297 --> 00:37:20,885
that they work across and they say, this

1087
00:37:20,885 --> 00:37:22,156
is how you train a puppy. Yeah. And

1088
00:37:22,156 --> 00:37:24,300
so they might be running, like, what feels

1089
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:26,500
like a good puppy school. Mh. But then

1090
00:37:26,779 --> 00:37:27,976
certain people in particular like I can think

1091
00:37:27,976 --> 00:37:29,732
of who do a lot of, like, food

1092
00:37:29,732 --> 00:37:32,126
trading stuff. And you account like, this totally

1093
00:37:32,126 --> 00:37:33,323
unnecessary. Don't do the other puppy. Don't fuck

1094
00:37:33,323 --> 00:37:36,206
with their food. Right? Because you'll create you're

1095
00:37:36,206 --> 00:37:38,831
creating a potential of food aggression. Yep. When

1096
00:37:38,831 --> 00:37:41,216
you could just have no feelings about food

1097
00:37:41,216 --> 00:37:43,125
and people fucking around with it. Right? So

1098
00:37:43,125 --> 00:37:44,477
like I see people doing that and I'm

1099
00:37:44,477 --> 00:37:46,963
like, But you don't... When people call and

1100
00:37:46,963 --> 00:37:48,239
say I've got a problem with my now

1101
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,755
at adult dog, you refer them to a

1102
00:37:49,755 --> 00:37:52,387
different trainer. You don't get to, sort of

1103
00:37:52,387 --> 00:37:53,902
remember what that dog was like as a

1104
00:37:53,902 --> 00:37:56,151
puppy and think don't get the opportunity to

1105
00:37:56,151 --> 00:37:57,748
reflect and go, oh, shit. Maybe I cause

1106
00:37:57,748 --> 00:38:00,142
this. Alright? And then course correct on other

1107
00:38:00,142 --> 00:38:02,217
dogs than a similar, and you don't do

1108
00:38:02,217 --> 00:38:04,625
the same exercise. The same, I think happens

1109
00:38:04,625 --> 00:38:07,018
when we do him home behavior mod stuff

1110
00:38:07,018 --> 00:38:08,693
or when we're just dealing with a a

1111
00:38:08,693 --> 00:38:10,049
pet dog owner and we do a 3

1112
00:38:10,049 --> 00:38:11,565
week board and train something like that. Right?

1113
00:38:11,724 --> 00:38:13,000
Like, we just see this dog for a

1114
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,560
snap shot. Yep. And it's rare that we

1115
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,627
ever get to be really involved in the

1116
00:38:17,627 --> 00:38:18,979
training. Beyond our own dogs,

1117
00:38:19,536 --> 00:38:21,285
it's rare that most dog trainers get to

1118
00:38:21,285 --> 00:38:23,207
be involved in the end to end. Right?

1119
00:38:23,445 --> 00:38:25,191
Like the start to finish of this dog

1120
00:38:25,191 --> 00:38:26,698
and sort of see it through the majority

1121
00:38:26,698 --> 00:38:27,809
of its life. And I think that's 1

1122
00:38:27,809 --> 00:38:30,610
of the beauties of having a club environment

1123
00:38:30,665 --> 00:38:31,324
is that

1124
00:38:31,632 --> 00:38:33,164
you get to draw an aggregate

1125
00:38:33,776 --> 00:38:35,602
beyond, like my own dogs, of course, we

1126
00:38:35,602 --> 00:38:36,872
see the end to end with our own

1127
00:38:36,872 --> 00:38:38,301
dogs, but I get to see that with

1128
00:38:38,301 --> 00:38:40,308
lots of dogs. And you don't get that

1129
00:38:40,308 --> 00:38:43,105
with even police and military stuff because what

1130
00:38:43,105 --> 00:38:44,862
happens when I'm not there, I have no

1131
00:38:44,862 --> 00:38:46,061
idea. You know what I mean? And you

1132
00:38:46,061 --> 00:38:47,831
can give all the best us. But then

1133
00:38:47,831 --> 00:38:49,684
they've gotta to work within their own policies.

1134
00:38:50,140 --> 00:38:51,891
And those dogs live in a kennel, and

1135
00:38:51,891 --> 00:38:53,722
so... And they're bought in as adults. Yeah.

1136
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,206
So people have had inter But there's so

1137
00:38:56,206 --> 00:38:58,917
many foundational grounding that's been done already. So

1138
00:38:58,917 --> 00:39:01,230
many variables. Yes. Yep. So 1 of the

1139
00:39:01,230 --> 00:39:02,665
things that I've sort of noticed with my

1140
00:39:02,665 --> 00:39:03,484
own training

1141
00:39:03,941 --> 00:39:05,491
and I have

1142
00:39:05,945 --> 00:39:08,969
definitely given advice that's led people Astra, and

1143
00:39:08,969 --> 00:39:11,139
some of that was through not enough use

1144
00:39:11,195 --> 00:39:13,757
ablation. So when I really reflected on my

1145
00:39:13,757 --> 00:39:15,746
own training, especially over the last few years,

1146
00:39:16,382 --> 00:39:19,007
I am so much more leash heavy now

1147
00:39:19,007 --> 00:39:21,014
than I've ever been in the past. I

1148
00:39:21,014 --> 00:39:24,127
use leash so much more than I ever

1149
00:39:24,127 --> 00:39:26,602
have, and it's so rare for me to

1150
00:39:26,602 --> 00:39:29,396
ever leave anything to chance in a session

1151
00:39:29,396 --> 00:39:31,407
where, like, Let's see how the dog goes.

1152
00:39:32,285 --> 00:39:34,041
Most of the time, depending on what we're

1153
00:39:34,041 --> 00:39:37,553
doing, there's at least 1, sometimes up to

1154
00:39:37,553 --> 00:39:39,800
4 leash on the dog. To the point

1155
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,869
where recently, you know, I'm was doing a

1156
00:39:41,869 --> 00:39:44,336
session with a dog that on his recall

1157
00:39:44,336 --> 00:39:46,246
from the guard. So if we were to

1158
00:39:46,246 --> 00:39:48,012
out the dog and call him straight back

1159
00:39:48,012 --> 00:39:50,242
to the handler off of a decor. He

1160
00:39:50,242 --> 00:39:52,391
had tendencies to get up to mischief on

1161
00:39:52,391 --> 00:39:54,223
the way back. Now, like there's degrees of

1162
00:39:54,223 --> 00:39:56,309
that. He might spin on the way back

1163
00:39:56,309 --> 00:39:57,665
just to take 1 last look at the

1164
00:39:57,665 --> 00:39:59,737
d decor. Or if there were other d

1165
00:39:59,737 --> 00:40:01,332
decor on the way, he would feel a

1166
00:40:01,332 --> 00:40:03,739
lot of draw to those d decor. And

1167
00:40:03,739 --> 00:40:05,894
so the fix is delicious. Like everybody in

1168
00:40:05,894 --> 00:40:07,092
the room has a leash on the dog.

1169
00:40:07,491 --> 00:40:09,007
Some of them were flexi glaciers, which is

1170
00:40:09,007 --> 00:40:11,881
gonna freak people out. But you imagine like

1171
00:40:11,881 --> 00:40:12,701
a square

1172
00:40:13,014 --> 00:40:14,934
there's 4 points on the square.

1173
00:40:15,494 --> 00:40:17,815
1 of them is the handler. Diagonally opposite

1174
00:40:17,815 --> 00:40:19,894
is the d decor, and then the other

1175
00:40:19,894 --> 00:40:22,389
2 points are both d decrease. And if

1176
00:40:22,389 --> 00:40:23,987
all of them have a leash to the

1177
00:40:23,987 --> 00:40:26,144
dog, and the dog gets sent to go

1178
00:40:26,144 --> 00:40:28,461
out to the d decor and decides to

1179
00:40:28,461 --> 00:40:29,740
take take a d to her, he can't.

1180
00:40:30,232 --> 00:40:31,660
Because we can just tighten those leash. And

1181
00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:34,040
the beauty of using Flex is they just

1182
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,072
run in and out and if the dog

1183
00:40:35,072 --> 00:40:36,182
goes wrong away, all have to is push

1184
00:40:36,182 --> 00:40:36,817
a button. Right?

1185
00:40:37,469 --> 00:40:39,621
Then the dog on his way back. If

1186
00:40:39,621 --> 00:40:41,374
he decides to spin, we can stop him

1187
00:40:41,374 --> 00:40:43,287
spinning. And if he decides to her and

1188
00:40:43,287 --> 00:40:44,882
go via at 1 of the d decode

1189
00:40:44,882 --> 00:40:47,210
on the side. The opposing 1 can stop

1190
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:48,727
that because he can lock his leash and

1191
00:40:48,727 --> 00:40:50,323
the other that only success can have is

1192
00:40:50,323 --> 00:40:51,281
going back to the handler,

1193
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,328
everybody else restricts the dog from moving. The

1194
00:40:54,328 --> 00:40:57,358
reason why I'm so obsessed with leash, I

1195
00:40:57,358 --> 00:41:00,389
think at the moment is because I put

1196
00:41:00,389 --> 00:41:03,100
so much weight now into making sure that

1197
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:05,672
I'm explaining things directly to the dog. As

1198
00:41:05,672 --> 00:41:07,429
long as you have an effective fading strategy.

1199
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:09,107
Of course. But, yeah, we wanna get to

1200
00:41:09,107 --> 00:41:10,625
the point where the dog then is no

1201
00:41:10,625 --> 00:41:13,432
longer making mistakes. Yeah. Not using these leash.

1202
00:41:13,672 --> 00:41:15,187
Yeah. And I think I get it because

1203
00:41:15,187 --> 00:41:18,139
it technically falls under the framing category where

1204
00:41:18,139 --> 00:41:19,494
a lot of times in the early days

1205
00:41:19,494 --> 00:41:21,900
when we teaching fronts, we'd have to old

1206
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:24,125
door panels. That were fixed in the ground.

1207
00:41:24,284 --> 00:41:25,794
So the dog couldn't move left or right,

1208
00:41:25,873 --> 00:41:27,463
he had to come into the funnel and

1209
00:41:27,463 --> 00:41:29,308
sit directly in front of you. Like, I'm

1210
00:41:29,308 --> 00:41:31,703
a fan of using early framing work to

1211
00:41:31,703 --> 00:41:33,858
teach the dog, the fundamentals of it. But

1212
00:41:33,858 --> 00:41:35,535
as I said before, as long as you

1213
00:41:35,535 --> 00:41:37,905
have an effective fading strategy. Yeah. Because

1214
00:41:38,343 --> 00:41:40,019
eventually, the tools have to go away. Yeah.

1215
00:41:40,338 --> 00:41:42,731
But it doesn't hurt for the dog to

1216
00:41:42,731 --> 00:41:45,045
revisit these strategies on a reoccurring basis as

1217
00:41:45,045 --> 00:41:46,807
well. Even if we do have a fading

1218
00:41:46,807 --> 00:41:48,553
strategy, we can bring the dog back. Like,

1219
00:41:48,711 --> 00:41:50,298
if we can start to see any variance

1220
00:41:50,298 --> 00:41:51,568
in the work that we're doing. We can

1221
00:41:51,568 --> 00:41:52,837
say to the dog... Okay. Well, now I

1222
00:41:52,837 --> 00:41:54,679
need to bring the framing in, just to

1223
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:56,270
remind you what you're were supposed to do.

1224
00:41:56,509 --> 00:41:57,782
Yep. Yeah. I man, A fan of it.

1225
00:41:58,020 --> 00:42:00,963
I mean, again, reflecting back on early training

1226
00:42:00,963 --> 00:42:03,289
models. We had long leads on dogs regularly.

1227
00:42:03,848 --> 00:42:05,766
Dogs were on leads a lot of the

1228
00:42:05,766 --> 00:42:07,525
time when we were tying dogs into work,

1229
00:42:07,684 --> 00:42:09,362
so we could teach a dog where to

1230
00:42:09,362 --> 00:42:10,961
be in the guard or Holden barker we

1231
00:42:10,961 --> 00:42:11,840
were calling it back then.

1232
00:42:12,572 --> 00:42:14,242
You know, we could put the lead between

1233
00:42:14,242 --> 00:42:16,547
our legs or whatever it was just to

1234
00:42:16,547 --> 00:42:18,375
show the dog. This is how close I

1235
00:42:18,375 --> 00:42:20,535
want you to be. Remember, In the early

1236
00:42:20,614 --> 00:42:22,838
Ad days, we went through this stage where

1237
00:42:22,838 --> 00:42:25,617
obsessed with making dogs come like, literally when

1238
00:42:25,776 --> 00:42:27,682
I referred to Dave Sc dogs stagger.

1239
00:42:28,175 --> 00:42:30,175
His dog's jaw would be bouncing on your

1240
00:42:30,175 --> 00:42:32,175
nuts sack while you're doing a hold box.

1241
00:42:32,414 --> 00:42:34,335
Sorry people who get offended by that, But

1242
00:42:34,335 --> 00:42:36,266
that... That's the reality of it. It was

1243
00:42:36,266 --> 00:42:37,935
as scary as how when you're were doing

1244
00:42:37,935 --> 00:42:39,206
it for the first time because this dog

1245
00:42:39,206 --> 00:42:41,431
was right on your grind. Mh. Then we

1246
00:42:41,431 --> 00:42:43,353
all got fixated on changing it. That the

1247
00:42:43,353 --> 00:42:45,103
dogs had to be, like, a meter away

1248
00:42:45,103 --> 00:42:46,534
from you so the dog couldn't be stabbed

1249
00:42:46,534 --> 00:42:48,546
or hit with anything because we were doing

1250
00:42:48,762 --> 00:42:50,929
patrol dogs back then. Mh. We kinda thought

1251
00:42:50,929 --> 00:42:52,369
this is stupid because if you've got a

1252
00:42:52,369 --> 00:42:54,849
shave, you could literally got the dog while

1253
00:42:54,849 --> 00:42:56,769
standing in front of you. Yeah. Yeah. I

1254
00:42:56,769 --> 00:42:58,344
know the dog could bite you too, but

1255
00:42:58,544 --> 00:43:00,456
the likelihood is if you've got a weapon

1256
00:43:00,456 --> 00:43:02,609
and it's concealed, and you... The dog's on

1257
00:43:02,609 --> 00:43:04,840
you, you've just stabbed the dog. I've demo

1258
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,409
that to a guy 1 time. He's dog

1259
00:43:06,529 --> 00:43:07,881
he did have a nice dog, but there

1260
00:43:07,881 --> 00:43:09,631
were some holes in his training. Yep. And

1261
00:43:09,790 --> 00:43:10,983
I was showing you Dogs not gonna bypass

1262
00:43:10,983 --> 00:43:12,972
passive. Like, the dough get off tap. And

1263
00:43:13,052 --> 00:43:14,416
I was like sure that I was gonna

1264
00:43:14,416 --> 00:43:16,955
bite someone, but ain't gonna be me because

1265
00:43:17,114 --> 00:43:18,383
I'm not gonna run away from it. And

1266
00:43:18,383 --> 00:43:20,049
all your decor work has been entertaining it.

1267
00:43:20,287 --> 00:43:22,608
So the dog came in and like nip

1268
00:43:22,608 --> 00:43:24,204
me. And then when I didn't react,

1269
00:43:24,842 --> 00:43:26,279
it just went, like, oh, I don't know

1270
00:43:26,279 --> 00:43:27,396
what's happening here and went into a back

1271
00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:29,094
and hold. Yep. And really

1272
00:43:29,472 --> 00:43:32,199
slowly, I just leaned down like enough sub

1273
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,113
threshold, just leaned down and grab the dog

1274
00:43:34,113 --> 00:43:36,107
by the collar. And then was... Then I

1275
00:43:36,107 --> 00:43:37,622
could move, but I've got you. Like, I've

1276
00:43:37,622 --> 00:43:38,978
got control the door, and he could not

1277
00:43:38,978 --> 00:43:40,095
bite me. I had him by the collar.

1278
00:43:40,349 --> 00:43:41,779
And I like, handed him back to the

1279
00:43:41,779 --> 00:43:42,971
hair. I was like, this is a really

1280
00:43:42,971 --> 00:43:44,560
nice dog, man, but we've got some work

1281
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,387
we have to do here because your decor

1282
00:43:46,387 --> 00:43:47,817
needs too much cheeky chicken chocolate to buy

1283
00:43:47,817 --> 00:43:48,771
it, to get you.

1284
00:43:49,265 --> 00:43:51,425
Yeah. Haven't had that 1 for ages. Yeah.

1285
00:43:51,585 --> 00:43:53,744
There you go. I think my big thing

1286
00:43:53,744 --> 00:43:55,045
on at the moment

1287
00:43:55,345 --> 00:43:57,905
is that I have a sense and certainly,

1288
00:43:58,224 --> 00:44:00,863
maybe I was 1 of these people, but

1289
00:44:00,863 --> 00:44:02,212
maybe not to the extent that I'm seeing

1290
00:44:02,212 --> 00:44:04,514
people doing it at the moment, is I

1291
00:44:04,514 --> 00:44:05,966
think we too often

1292
00:44:06,514 --> 00:44:07,873
balance trainers anyway,

1293
00:44:08,592 --> 00:44:10,989
rely on being able to use, like, pressure

1294
00:44:10,989 --> 00:44:12,187
to tell the dog that they're wrong. And

1295
00:44:12,187 --> 00:44:13,785
maybe that's your electrics or whatever.

1296
00:44:15,074 --> 00:44:16,665
When you can just have them not get

1297
00:44:16,665 --> 00:44:18,733
it wrong. And 1 of the beauty of

1298
00:44:18,733 --> 00:44:21,094
the leash is you can let the dog

1299
00:44:21,373 --> 00:44:23,527
try as hard as it wants to get

1300
00:44:23,527 --> 00:44:25,681
the thing wrong. Take for example, he's at

1301
00:44:25,681 --> 00:44:27,196
1 example, and it's a bite work 1,

1302
00:44:27,435 --> 00:44:28,951
but there's plenty of different ones I can

1303
00:44:28,951 --> 00:44:30,546
give if we wanna talk pet dog training

1304
00:44:30,546 --> 00:44:32,320
all the way through other things. If you're

1305
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,119
doing directional,

1306
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,340
and you've got 2 people to buy it

1307
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,960
and you're bringing those directional fairly close together,

1308
00:44:39,454 --> 00:44:41,530
you can point to 1 and have an

1309
00:44:41,530 --> 00:44:43,605
active decor who is trying to draw the

1310
00:44:43,605 --> 00:44:45,442
bite it, and you have a passive 1,

1311
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,677
and you're telling the dog, like, I know

1312
00:44:47,677 --> 00:44:48,769
that 1 looks more

1313
00:44:49,128 --> 00:44:49,526
enticing,

1314
00:44:50,163 --> 00:44:51,596
but this other 1 is the 1 that

1315
00:44:51,755 --> 00:44:53,586
I want you to buy it. Of course,

1316
00:44:53,905 --> 00:44:55,656
at some point, most dogs are gonna wanna

1317
00:44:55,656 --> 00:44:56,850
go to the 1 that's more enticing.

1318
00:44:57,342 --> 00:44:59,172
And what I see is people doing stuff

1319
00:44:59,172 --> 00:45:01,400
like that, and then steaming the dog or

1320
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,229
punishing the dog in some way or causing

1321
00:45:03,229 --> 00:45:03,706
in a aversion.

1322
00:45:04,437 --> 00:45:07,141
And, of course, then, yes, the training results

1323
00:45:07,141 --> 00:45:09,050
in the dog understanding. Okay. Well I went

1324
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:10,721
to the 1 that looked good to me.

1325
00:45:11,293 --> 00:45:13,042
Not the 1 that I got told to

1326
00:45:13,042 --> 00:45:15,053
go to and there was an immersive experience

1327
00:45:15,110 --> 00:45:16,223
in future will go to the 1 that

1328
00:45:16,382 --> 00:45:17,575
I'm told to go to. Like that training

1329
00:45:17,575 --> 00:45:17,893
will work.

1330
00:45:18,768 --> 00:45:19,268
But

1331
00:45:19,579 --> 00:45:21,657
you're giving that dog immersive experience. It doesn't

1332
00:45:21,657 --> 00:45:24,373
need to have, and there's risks every time

1333
00:45:24,373 --> 00:45:26,711
you do that. Now, I'm balanced trainer. Goddamn

1334
00:45:26,770 --> 00:45:27,144
we've

1335
00:45:27,583 --> 00:45:29,259
we've made it clear that I'm not afraid

1336
00:45:29,259 --> 00:45:31,891
to use comp propulsion. Or a version, punishment,

1337
00:45:32,051 --> 00:45:33,726
negative reinforcement. All those things we're very happy

1338
00:45:33,726 --> 00:45:35,255
to use them. But when there's the thing

1339
00:45:35,255 --> 00:45:37,323
to you. There's gotta be mindful of what

1340
00:45:37,323 --> 00:45:38,755
were you thinking about when you got punished.

1341
00:45:38,914 --> 00:45:41,594
Yeah. And that's the issue is not what

1342
00:45:41,872 --> 00:45:44,015
you as the handler we're thinking about because

1343
00:45:44,015 --> 00:45:45,998
this is all template in your mind. Like

1344
00:45:45,998 --> 00:45:47,823
you know the structure you know how it

1345
00:45:47,823 --> 00:45:49,909
should have played out. But what was the

1346
00:45:49,909 --> 00:45:52,150
dog thinking exactly. And that's the risk. That's

1347
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:53,750
the risk. Whereas if I had a leash

1348
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:55,269
alicia on that dog? Yeah. And I have

1349
00:45:55,269 --> 00:45:57,269
someone running a back for me so that

1350
00:45:57,269 --> 00:45:59,440
85 is not possible Yeah. And I can

1351
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,032
send the dog and and in fact, when

1352
00:46:01,112 --> 00:46:03,501
I teach directional, I will make sure that

1353
00:46:03,501 --> 00:46:06,787
this situation happens. I will fucking make sure

1354
00:46:07,098 --> 00:46:08,768
that when we hit this point in the

1355
00:46:08,768 --> 00:46:09,563
level of training,

1356
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:11,789
I will make sure that the dog will

1357
00:46:11,789 --> 00:46:13,777
make it the wrong choice, and I will

1358
00:46:13,777 --> 00:46:15,621
let the dog find out that it is

1359
00:46:15,621 --> 00:46:17,213
impossible to not do what I tell you

1360
00:46:17,213 --> 00:46:19,679
to do. Not because I I'm am beating

1361
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:21,271
on you and telling you this is how

1362
00:46:21,271 --> 00:46:23,831
it's gonna fucking go. Or because when you

1363
00:46:23,831 --> 00:46:26,374
make bad decisions, it's dangerous and that you

1364
00:46:26,374 --> 00:46:27,486
can get lit up with the e collar.

1365
00:46:27,884 --> 00:46:29,552
What I'm gonna do is make sure that

1366
00:46:29,552 --> 00:46:31,514
the dog sees a situation where he goes

1367
00:46:31,713 --> 00:46:33,540
I know you said go to that 1

1368
00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:35,288
on the right. But this 1 on the

1369
00:46:35,288 --> 00:46:37,274
left looks much more exciting to me, and

1370
00:46:37,274 --> 00:46:38,958
that's the 1 I wanna buy it. And

1371
00:46:39,038 --> 00:46:41,192
I'll let him make that decision and find

1372
00:46:41,192 --> 00:46:43,266
out he can't do it. And so without

1373
00:46:43,266 --> 00:46:45,020
a leash, I'm stuck with the point where

1374
00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:46,695
I need to... The reason he doesn't do

1375
00:46:46,695 --> 00:46:48,211
it is because I cause an aversion to

1376
00:46:48,211 --> 00:46:50,382
doing it. But with the leash, I can

1377
00:46:50,382 --> 00:46:52,140
just let him not get to that decor.

1378
00:46:52,379 --> 00:46:54,217
And then I can explain to the dog

1379
00:46:54,217 --> 00:46:55,436
and, like, the whole

1380
00:46:55,989 --> 00:46:57,824
framing of how the dog will think of

1381
00:46:57,824 --> 00:47:00,298
its learning moment becomes different. Yep. In that

1382
00:47:00,298 --> 00:47:01,815
the dog doesn't think I need to do

1383
00:47:01,815 --> 00:47:03,491
it untold because or else,

1384
00:47:04,303 --> 00:47:06,762
the dog's perception of what it learned in

1385
00:47:06,762 --> 00:47:08,666
that moment is you know something I don't.

1386
00:47:08,825 --> 00:47:10,412
Mh Right? And so the dog then goes,

1387
00:47:10,570 --> 00:47:13,524
well, I wanted this 1 it seemed to

1388
00:47:13,524 --> 00:47:14,796
me like it was available,

1389
00:47:15,274 --> 00:47:17,501
but I can't get to it. I'm restrained

1390
00:47:17,501 --> 00:47:20,603
via this leash. And eventually, within a few

1391
00:47:20,603 --> 00:47:22,527
moments, and you might use the prong to

1392
00:47:22,527 --> 00:47:24,517
help the dog understand like you might knee

1393
00:47:24,517 --> 00:47:26,347
him a little bit away from that decode

1394
00:47:26,347 --> 00:47:28,337
towards the other 1. Eventually, you give him

1395
00:47:28,337 --> 00:47:29,849
the help and the guidance to make the

1396
00:47:29,849 --> 00:47:31,777
right choice. And then the tension comes out

1397
00:47:31,777 --> 00:47:33,372
of the leash from whoever's holding the back

1398
00:47:33,372 --> 00:47:34,250
for you or if it's a back to

1399
00:47:34,409 --> 00:47:36,085
Whatever, and you let him blast the other

1400
00:47:36,085 --> 00:47:37,942
decor and be successful. So

1401
00:47:38,413 --> 00:47:41,117
the learning outcome is that the dog then

1402
00:47:41,117 --> 00:47:43,025
instead of thinking, will I better do it

1403
00:47:43,025 --> 00:47:44,934
hold or else. He just gives up on

1404
00:47:44,934 --> 00:47:47,342
the making the wrong choice. And he's framing

1405
00:47:47,399 --> 00:47:47,899
his

1406
00:47:48,369 --> 00:47:50,527
state of mind is that the handler knows

1407
00:47:50,527 --> 00:47:52,764
something I don't. And he's not guiding me

1408
00:47:52,764 --> 00:47:54,283
to what he wants me to do.

1409
00:47:54,842 --> 00:47:56,680
Their dog should then think of it in

1410
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,494
terms of He knows how I'm gonna be

1411
00:47:59,494 --> 00:48:01,734
successful. He is giving me the guidance to

1412
00:48:01,734 --> 00:48:04,054
get to what I want, and he'll stay

1413
00:48:04,054 --> 00:48:06,698
in that more clear sense of arousal. Now

1414
00:48:06,698 --> 00:48:08,369
like I'm saying, I'm not saying that you

1415
00:48:08,369 --> 00:48:09,881
can't punish a dog for biting their own

1416
00:48:09,881 --> 00:48:11,075
day. I'm not saying all those things. But

1417
00:48:11,075 --> 00:48:12,132
what I'm saying is

1418
00:48:12,444 --> 00:48:14,202
you maybe don't need to,

1419
00:48:15,081 --> 00:48:16,999
especially in the learning phase. Now, eventually, as

1420
00:48:16,999 --> 00:48:18,438
you said, the leash has to come off.

1421
00:48:18,677 --> 00:48:20,915
Right? Like, your dog's not finished until the

1422
00:48:20,915 --> 00:48:22,760
leash is off. Yep. But, like, we have

1423
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,065
dogs that we train, you know, being in

1424
00:48:25,065 --> 00:48:26,734
the area that we're in, or we use

1425
00:48:26,734 --> 00:48:29,014
is insulation color on those dogs. Right? And

1426
00:48:29,293 --> 00:48:31,121
prior to going into competition,

1427
00:48:31,917 --> 00:48:33,746
I wanna know that it's gonna work without

1428
00:48:33,746 --> 00:48:36,052
the leash. And, of course, there's the element

1429
00:48:36,052 --> 00:48:38,119
of dragging the leash like that's a thing

1430
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:40,605
that has to know, play into your training

1431
00:48:40,605 --> 00:48:42,042
that has a feel to the dock. Right?

1432
00:48:42,202 --> 00:48:43,717
Like your dog can tell when it's got

1433
00:48:43,717 --> 00:48:45,553
a long line dragging behind it. And if

1434
00:48:45,553 --> 00:48:46,510
you're gonna do call offs,

1435
00:48:47,163 --> 00:48:49,866
Then yes, for many reps, you need that

1436
00:48:49,866 --> 00:48:52,092
long line on in order to make sure

1437
00:48:52,092 --> 00:48:54,954
the dog can't be successful in doing the

1438
00:48:54,954 --> 00:48:56,227
thing that you told him not to do.

1439
00:48:56,799 --> 00:48:58,950
But before we can call the dog trained

1440
00:48:58,950 --> 00:49:00,065
and put our hand on a heart and

1441
00:49:00,065 --> 00:49:02,057
say, yeah, that call is gonna work. We

1442
00:49:02,057 --> 00:49:03,570
need to fade out that equipment.

1443
00:49:04,062 --> 00:49:05,968
And at that point, then I'll go, okay.

1444
00:49:06,126 --> 00:49:07,873
No worries. If the dog doesn't call off.

1445
00:49:08,032 --> 00:49:08,906
I feel like he knows it,

1446
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:12,161
it's been 10 reps since we've had to

1447
00:49:12,161 --> 00:49:14,961
use the leash. The leash hasn't been, like,

1448
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,112
it's been on. We've been ready to use

1449
00:49:17,112 --> 00:49:18,625
it, but we've had no cause 2 for

1450
00:49:18,625 --> 00:49:20,775
10 reps. Mh. Let's now see how we

1451
00:49:20,775 --> 00:49:22,938
go absent the leash. But we're not going

1452
00:49:22,938 --> 00:49:25,798
no equipment. We're gonna go the equipment that

1453
00:49:25,798 --> 00:49:27,704
we can now use to punish the dog

1454
00:49:27,704 --> 00:49:29,788
if he doesn't call off. Because we have

1455
00:49:29,788 --> 00:49:31,064
to give him that opportunity to do it.

1456
00:49:31,303 --> 00:49:32,818
But that's not where I wanna start. Know

1457
00:49:32,818 --> 00:49:34,334
what I? Like I don't wanna set the

1458
00:49:34,334 --> 00:49:36,567
dog up right from the jump to be

1459
00:49:36,567 --> 00:49:38,902
in a position where he's still learning

1460
00:49:39,373 --> 00:49:42,500
and to learn via that kind of experience

1461
00:49:42,556 --> 00:49:44,546
rather than just not letting him be correct

1462
00:49:44,546 --> 00:49:46,637
and helping him and be correct. And so

1463
00:49:46,949 --> 00:49:48,949
That's the biggest bug bear I have about

1464
00:49:48,949 --> 00:49:51,510
leash in the training space, especially amongst balanced

1465
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:53,989
trainers. Because balance trainers, I feel like very

1466
00:49:53,989 --> 00:49:56,399
often take some risk knowing that we can

1467
00:49:56,399 --> 00:49:58,951
fix if that problem happens. Now there's plenty

1468
00:49:58,951 --> 00:50:01,025
of other issues that come other training methods,

1469
00:50:01,184 --> 00:50:04,056
like, for sure, I remain about trying. Right?

1470
00:50:04,789 --> 00:50:07,107
But I feel like a big part of

1471
00:50:07,107 --> 00:50:08,545
my bug bear about a lot of the

1472
00:50:08,545 --> 00:50:11,363
training that I see is that people are

1473
00:50:11,502 --> 00:50:13,660
allowing their dogs to get things wrong.

1474
00:50:14,313 --> 00:50:16,222
Knowing, I can clean this up. Yeah. I

1475
00:50:16,222 --> 00:50:17,575
can tell him that don't to do that

1476
00:50:17,575 --> 00:50:19,723
if he does it. Mh. Whereas, for sure

1477
00:50:19,723 --> 00:50:21,210
that works, and there's a time and play

1478
00:50:21,409 --> 00:50:22,763
Like you do have to do that. You

1479
00:50:22,763 --> 00:50:23,958
do have to give you the dog the

1480
00:50:23,958 --> 00:50:24,993
opportunity to get it wrong so you I

1481
00:50:24,993 --> 00:50:26,666
can say, hey, I know we've been doing

1482
00:50:26,666 --> 00:50:28,338
it in a particular way, you made a

1483
00:50:28,338 --> 00:50:30,090
choice. This is the outcome of that choice.

1484
00:50:30,504 --> 00:50:32,758
But I definitely don't want that to be

1485
00:50:33,135 --> 00:50:35,607
anywhere near my learning phase, I want that

1486
00:50:35,607 --> 00:50:37,601
to be in my proofing phase. Yeah. I

1487
00:50:37,601 --> 00:50:39,195
agree. When you're talking about timelines,

1488
00:50:39,529 --> 00:50:42,086
in the early stages, if you create that

1489
00:50:42,086 --> 00:50:43,844
pathway, it's still a pathway.

1490
00:50:44,403 --> 00:50:46,321
Regardless of you think you rounded it out

1491
00:50:46,321 --> 00:50:47,773
and you've got rid of it. It's still

1492
00:50:47,773 --> 00:50:49,847
there, like it exists. It's a thought it's

1493
00:50:49,847 --> 00:50:51,921
in the dog's head now. I call that

1494
00:50:51,921 --> 00:50:55,053
the maybe concept that you're thinking. Well, maybe

1495
00:50:55,111 --> 00:50:57,400
today is my day. Maybe this is the

1496
00:50:57,598 --> 00:50:59,028
that I can get away with this today.

1497
00:50:59,187 --> 00:51:01,491
Like, I'm in a different place. There's a

1498
00:51:01,491 --> 00:51:03,637
different person there. So maybe this will work.

1499
00:51:03,795 --> 00:51:05,226
And if the dog tries it and is

1500
00:51:05,226 --> 00:51:06,909
successful with it, it goes Well, my maybe

1501
00:51:06,909 --> 00:51:08,896
be paid off. Mh. Like we've learned in

1502
00:51:08,896 --> 00:51:10,962
dopamine parts and so forth, like the concepts

1503
00:51:10,962 --> 00:51:12,789
that maybe make your dopamine mean fucking sore

1504
00:51:12,789 --> 00:51:15,108
through the roof. It's the highest form of

1505
00:51:15,108 --> 00:51:17,092
reinforcement sometimes when you're in that gray zone

1506
00:51:17,092 --> 00:51:19,157
of thinking. Well, maybe I'm gonna get away

1507
00:51:19,157 --> 00:51:21,873
with this sneaky little fucking behavior today. Listening

1508
00:51:21,873 --> 00:51:23,865
to you talking about this too. I know

1509
00:51:23,865 --> 00:51:25,300
you know this, but I'm talking to the

1510
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:27,373
public now when we're talking about podcasting. Like

1511
00:51:27,373 --> 00:51:30,177
this says a significant carryover effect not just

1512
00:51:30,177 --> 00:51:32,007
for sporting and working dogs, but for dogs

1513
00:51:32,007 --> 00:51:34,554
that have significant issues as well. There's so

1514
00:51:34,554 --> 00:51:37,101
many dogs... For some reason, over the last

1515
00:51:37,101 --> 00:51:38,869
month, we just had a glut of people

1516
00:51:38,869 --> 00:51:42,316
coming to us with significant problems where counsel

1517
00:51:42,453 --> 00:51:44,046
intervened, and I have to write reports for

1518
00:51:44,046 --> 00:51:46,526
them and speak to counsel on their behalf

1519
00:51:46,526 --> 00:51:48,672
and consider whether the dog gets a dangerous

1520
00:51:48,672 --> 00:51:50,739
men or nuisance order on them or if

1521
00:51:50,739 --> 00:51:52,503
they can get clear of it altogether some

1522
00:51:52,503 --> 00:51:53,697
people are coming to me because they want

1523
00:51:53,697 --> 00:51:55,767
it removed, and there's a whole range of

1524
00:51:55,767 --> 00:51:57,621
things. The vast majority

1525
00:51:57,997 --> 00:51:59,510
of the people that I'm speaking to in

1526
00:51:59,510 --> 00:52:02,153
these situations They are letting the dogs off

1527
00:52:02,153 --> 00:52:04,623
leash. Mh. We're having conversation about what's going

1528
00:52:04,623 --> 00:52:06,614
on. And when we get into the meat

1529
00:52:06,614 --> 00:52:08,941
of the conversation, they reveal to me that

1530
00:52:08,941 --> 00:52:10,855
they're letting their dogs off leash. Like, they're

1531
00:52:10,855 --> 00:52:13,566
either walking their dogs in a situation that

1532
00:52:13,566 --> 00:52:16,198
is far beyond their capability to control it,

1533
00:52:16,277 --> 00:52:18,203
or the dogs is off leash entirely. Mh

1534
00:52:18,282 --> 00:52:19,872
So once we get down to that point

1535
00:52:19,872 --> 00:52:21,780
in the conversation, because as I say to

1536
00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:23,926
them, when we're talking, I'm an agent of

1537
00:52:23,926 --> 00:52:25,436
yours. I'm here to help you. I'm not

1538
00:52:25,436 --> 00:52:27,677
here to hurt you. So if you don't

1539
00:52:27,677 --> 00:52:29,348
reveal something to me now, and I end

1540
00:52:29,348 --> 00:52:31,177
up going to court as a subject matter

1541
00:52:31,177 --> 00:52:33,427
expert for you. I'm telling you the prosecutor

1542
00:52:33,484 --> 00:52:34,915
will reveal to me what you've done wrong.

1543
00:52:35,248 --> 00:52:36,998
Like, if you don't tell me, I'm stuck

1544
00:52:36,998 --> 00:52:38,668
and I can't defend you. Yeah. I've got

1545
00:52:38,668 --> 00:52:40,656
a surprise over me. And I said I've

1546
00:52:40,656 --> 00:52:42,326
had this happen on 2 occasions where I've

1547
00:52:42,326 --> 00:52:44,887
gone to court before. Where my client didn't

1548
00:52:44,887 --> 00:52:46,796
tell me the entire truth, like they didn't

1549
00:52:46,796 --> 00:52:49,104
tell me exactly what happened. And then the

1550
00:52:49,104 --> 00:52:51,332
prosecutor showed me photos and showed me evidence.

1551
00:52:51,571 --> 00:52:54,614
I've wrongdoing on multiple other occasions. And I'm

1552
00:52:54,614 --> 00:52:56,368
fucked. Yeah. There's nothing can I help you

1553
00:52:56,368 --> 00:52:58,144
it? I'm not your lawyer. I'm your

1554
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,834
representation, and and I'm going up there. On

1555
00:53:00,834 --> 00:53:02,444
my good word and saying now I've seen

1556
00:53:02,444 --> 00:53:03,960
this dog and I know the capability of

1557
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,315
it, and then they're going, yeah, but do

1558
00:53:05,315 --> 00:53:06,773
you know about all this preexisting

1559
00:53:07,469 --> 00:53:09,383
history. Now they're all the little babies is

1560
00:53:09,383 --> 00:53:10,978
that people have created where the dog is

1561
00:53:10,978 --> 00:53:12,747
gone, why, Did it before. Can do it

1562
00:53:12,747 --> 00:53:14,737
again. Yeah. And that's why the dog does

1563
00:53:14,737 --> 00:53:16,171
do it again. That's why the dog a

1564
00:53:16,171 --> 00:53:18,719
repeat offender. However, when we do get into

1565
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,122
a situation where we start teaching dogs in

1566
00:53:21,122 --> 00:53:23,748
learning teaching phase that you can't do these

1567
00:53:23,748 --> 00:53:25,975
things. And if you have an body experience

1568
00:53:25,975 --> 00:53:28,623
where you're out of your head with the

1569
00:53:28,999 --> 00:53:30,999
occupation of some other stimuli,

1570
00:53:31,633 --> 00:53:34,488
bird b, other dog, whatever it may be.

1571
00:53:35,043 --> 00:53:39,026
Dogs have an incredibly hard time dealing with

1572
00:53:39,026 --> 00:53:41,808
these and then suddenly, being reinforced by this

1573
00:53:41,808 --> 00:53:43,477
when they can actually get to it. Whereas

1574
00:53:43,477 --> 00:53:44,828
if you just teach it, you're on a

1575
00:53:44,828 --> 00:53:46,755
late mate, There's no way that's gonna happen,

1576
00:53:46,914 --> 00:53:47,950
you can look as much as you want,

1577
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:49,703
but I'm dragging you out of that situation.

1578
00:53:50,261 --> 00:53:52,015
So after a period of time, the dog

1579
00:53:52,015 --> 00:53:54,657
starts realizing, well, that maybe just doesn't exist

1580
00:53:54,657 --> 00:53:56,406
for me. I'm just... It never paid off.

1581
00:53:56,644 --> 00:53:58,394
I can't actually get to it. You do

1582
00:53:58,394 --> 00:53:59,984
need professional help. That's where you need to

1583
00:53:59,984 --> 00:54:02,449
step in with somebody who has the guidance

1584
00:54:02,449 --> 00:54:04,052
and measures in place to say to you.

1585
00:54:04,291 --> 00:54:05,958
Okay. You need to be doing this, and

1586
00:54:05,958 --> 00:54:08,181
this needs to play out this way. And

1587
00:54:08,181 --> 00:54:10,744
that's why for such a long time

1588
00:54:11,054 --> 00:54:13,363
as a trainer, I wasn't an advocate for

1589
00:54:13,363 --> 00:54:14,956
people going down to off leash dog parks.

1590
00:54:15,275 --> 00:54:17,902
Or dog parks in general, where we create

1591
00:54:17,902 --> 00:54:20,463
these may scenes for people I know. You

1592
00:54:20,463 --> 00:54:22,212
and know I've had conversations about this before

1593
00:54:22,212 --> 00:54:23,483
where you've said, yeah, But that's the goal

1594
00:54:23,483 --> 00:54:24,754
for some of these people to get there.

1595
00:54:25,231 --> 00:54:27,058
But goal or not. Some of these dogs

1596
00:54:27,058 --> 00:54:28,903
are not entitled to go down these parks

1597
00:54:28,903 --> 00:54:30,338
off for sure. And they just shouldn't do

1598
00:54:30,338 --> 00:54:32,333
it. For sure. To quote an old phrase,

1599
00:54:32,731 --> 00:54:34,407
you wouldn't put a fox in charge of

1600
00:54:34,407 --> 00:54:36,320
the hen house just because it's got experience

1601
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,369
with chickens. Yeah. And some of these dogs

1602
00:54:38,489 --> 00:54:41,526
just should not be in these situations. And

1603
00:54:41,526 --> 00:54:42,725
not, I mean, I'm the 1 who has

1604
00:54:42,725 --> 00:54:44,723
to break the bad news to people. So

1605
00:54:44,723 --> 00:54:47,574
now when we are doing a follow up

1606
00:54:47,773 --> 00:54:50,157
and counsel are satisfied that I've had a

1607
00:54:50,157 --> 00:54:50,713
look at the dog.

1608
00:54:51,348 --> 00:54:53,334
Then I've gotta say to people. Now you've

1609
00:54:53,334 --> 00:54:55,179
gotta to go to a trainer, for a

1610
00:54:55,179 --> 00:54:57,500
long period of time, and you cannot take

1611
00:54:57,500 --> 00:55:00,219
your dog off leash. This is it. The

1612
00:55:00,219 --> 00:55:00,719
next

1613
00:55:01,019 --> 00:55:04,069
part that happens here is either a, you

1614
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:05,903
go to the highest tier or they seek

1615
00:55:05,903 --> 00:55:07,498
the destruction order of for your dog. Yeah.

1616
00:55:07,977 --> 00:55:09,413
And they say to me, oh, but this

1617
00:55:09,413 --> 00:55:10,689
is a sucky life in my dog. And

1618
00:55:10,768 --> 00:55:11,986
I said, it's not

1619
00:55:12,298 --> 00:55:14,049
You've just got it in your head. This

1620
00:55:14,049 --> 00:55:15,640
is a fairy tale that somebody is put

1621
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,629
in place. Your dog is gonna have a

1622
00:55:17,629 --> 00:55:19,141
great life for the rest of its life

1623
00:55:19,141 --> 00:55:20,573
it's gonna have a better life now because

1624
00:55:20,573 --> 00:55:23,065
now it's got measures in place, it's got

1625
00:55:23,065 --> 00:55:25,704
control mechanism set by you, and I said

1626
00:55:25,704 --> 00:55:27,545
rules and boundaries rules and boundaries.

1627
00:55:27,945 --> 00:55:29,465
Whether we like it or not. Some of

1628
00:55:29,465 --> 00:55:32,197
us really reject some rules and boundaries that

1629
00:55:32,197 --> 00:55:33,896
are given to us. And I said, now

1630
00:55:34,035 --> 00:55:36,831
some of them granted are unfair and unjust.

1631
00:55:37,231 --> 00:55:39,556
But if you've got fair and just person

1632
00:55:39,556 --> 00:55:42,181
that is basically saying, I care about you.

1633
00:55:42,898 --> 00:55:44,727
I want the best for you, like you

1634
00:55:44,727 --> 00:55:46,478
have with your children as you've been raising

1635
00:55:46,478 --> 00:55:46,637
them.

1636
00:55:47,289 --> 00:55:49,130
All I want for you now is to

1637
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:51,849
learn how not to get yourself in trouble.

1638
00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:53,930
How not to get yourself hurt, how not

1639
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:56,343
to get yourself killed. That's the rules and

1640
00:55:56,343 --> 00:55:58,022
boundaries that I'm putting in place for you.

1641
00:55:58,661 --> 00:56:00,499
Inside of these rules and boundaries, This is

1642
00:56:00,579 --> 00:56:02,896
Disneyland. Mh. Like every day will be a

1643
00:56:02,896 --> 00:56:04,869
fucking great day as long as you play

1644
00:56:04,989 --> 00:56:06,108
within the rules or boundaries.

1645
00:56:06,587 --> 00:56:08,824
If you're a smart enough person handler or

1646
00:56:08,824 --> 00:56:10,661
trainer, and you can convince your dog that

1647
00:56:10,661 --> 00:56:12,749
this is your dog's idea. Like we've talked

1648
00:56:12,749 --> 00:56:14,657
about with the illusion of control Mike Concept

1649
00:56:14,657 --> 00:56:16,088
of it. That's a hell that I'm gonna

1650
00:56:16,088 --> 00:56:17,757
die on. But if you can convince your

1651
00:56:17,757 --> 00:56:19,506
dog, that this is now the dog's idea,

1652
00:56:19,999 --> 00:56:21,433
where you going wrong with all any of

1653
00:56:21,433 --> 00:56:23,903
this? You haven't. You... All you've done is

1654
00:56:23,903 --> 00:56:24,403
created

1655
00:56:24,779 --> 00:56:28,143
a network of an incredible life style together.

1656
00:56:28,383 --> 00:56:29,822
Yeah. 1 of the things that I've been

1657
00:56:29,822 --> 00:56:31,740
asking people all along the way because I

1658
00:56:31,740 --> 00:56:33,098
had a client come in the other day

1659
00:56:33,098 --> 00:56:34,936
and 1 of these people that had a

1660
00:56:34,936 --> 00:56:37,265
a cancel order against them. And I said,

1661
00:56:37,742 --> 00:56:39,728
what's most important to you and what do

1662
00:56:39,728 --> 00:56:41,713
you want at the end of the day

1663
00:56:41,713 --> 00:56:42,984
with this stop? What do you wanna do?

1664
00:56:43,382 --> 00:56:45,804
So they started rattling off this

1665
00:56:46,420 --> 00:56:48,096
occupation to me of what they thought they

1666
00:56:48,096 --> 00:56:49,930
wanted. And I said, who told you to

1667
00:56:49,930 --> 00:56:51,844
say that? And they I said, oh, the

1668
00:56:51,844 --> 00:56:53,280
other trainer that we went to? And I

1669
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,896
said, let's go back to

1670
00:56:55,369 --> 00:56:57,600
grassroots here. I said, I'm not gonna eradicate

1671
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:58,875
everything that they've said, and I said because

1672
00:56:58,875 --> 00:57:00,469
there's probably some good information in there, and

1673
00:57:00,548 --> 00:57:01,903
I said, but none of that is. And

1674
00:57:02,063 --> 00:57:03,914
I said because that's trying to get you

1675
00:57:03,914 --> 00:57:05,835
back into an off lead strategy again. We

1676
00:57:05,835 --> 00:57:07,994
can't do this anymore. It's off the table.

1677
00:57:08,315 --> 00:57:10,155
You cannot do it. And I said, does

1678
00:57:10,155 --> 00:57:11,527
it make sense? And no said yeah. And

1679
00:57:11,606 --> 00:57:13,676
I said, alright. So let's start again. Going

1680
00:57:13,676 --> 00:57:15,347
forward, what's important you? What do you wanna

1681
00:57:15,347 --> 00:57:17,178
do? And I said, we don't wanna have

1682
00:57:17,178 --> 00:57:19,248
that situation ever happened again because it was

1683
00:57:19,248 --> 00:57:21,334
felt so invasive and felt like the sky

1684
00:57:21,334 --> 00:57:22,532
fell on top of her head, and I

1685
00:57:22,532 --> 00:57:24,530
said, alright. Well, let's rebuild it from the

1686
00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:25,809
ground up, and I said because we can

1687
00:57:25,809 --> 00:57:27,088
do that. We have the tools to make

1688
00:57:27,088 --> 00:57:29,085
that happen, but it's entirely up to you.

1689
00:57:29,325 --> 00:57:31,018
But there are some things that we have

1690
00:57:31,018 --> 00:57:32,776
to do, which means going back to unleash.

1691
00:57:33,015 --> 00:57:35,193
Yeah. And so you've hit the point there

1692
00:57:35,333 --> 00:57:36,771
the 1 of mine here that I have

1693
00:57:36,771 --> 00:57:38,863
the leash for safety. Yep. And that's the

1694
00:57:38,863 --> 00:57:40,860
biggest thing in that, like, the average dog,

1695
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:42,938
people who are not listening to us, like,

1696
00:57:43,098 --> 00:57:45,255
the average person with their their normal dog.

1697
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:47,827
The biggest thing they get from the leash

1698
00:57:47,827 --> 00:57:49,584
is that they can stop the dog getting

1699
00:57:49,584 --> 00:57:52,460
itself run over. Yeah. Getting itself attacked by

1700
00:57:52,460 --> 00:57:54,554
another dog putting itself in a position where

1701
00:57:54,554 --> 00:57:56,714
it's gonna get into trouble. The last thing

1702
00:57:56,795 --> 00:57:58,074
I wanted to say before we run out

1703
00:57:58,074 --> 00:57:59,295
of time is that

1704
00:57:59,994 --> 00:58:00,929
I think that

1705
00:58:01,366 --> 00:58:02,342
without using

1706
00:58:02,716 --> 00:58:03,351
the leash,

1707
00:58:03,986 --> 00:58:08,273
you're missing a, like, critical point of communication

1708
00:58:08,273 --> 00:58:10,074
with the dog. Yeah. And I think that

1709
00:58:10,273 --> 00:58:12,337
people have been put... There's cave paintings. There's

1710
00:58:12,337 --> 00:58:13,710
literally cave paintings

1711
00:58:14,083 --> 00:58:17,179
of leash on dogs. Absolutely. We've been putting

1712
00:58:17,179 --> 00:58:18,790
leash on candidates

1713
00:58:19,099 --> 00:58:22,316
for probably 10000 years or more. And so

1714
00:58:22,615 --> 00:58:23,355
they are

1715
00:58:23,974 --> 00:58:27,670
hardwired to understand those signals quite well. And

1716
00:58:27,985 --> 00:58:28,644
I realized

1717
00:58:29,025 --> 00:58:31,364
again when I was sort of really rem

1718
00:58:31,505 --> 00:58:34,625
on this or thinking this through is that

1719
00:58:34,785 --> 00:58:37,192
I am able to give to my own

1720
00:58:37,192 --> 00:58:38,467
dogs and into the dogs that I train,

1721
00:58:39,423 --> 00:58:42,451
so much clarity and guidance via the least.

1722
00:58:42,863 --> 00:58:45,088
It's insane. That's a really good word that

1723
00:58:45,088 --> 00:58:46,837
you just use, and I just keep meaning

1724
00:58:46,837 --> 00:58:49,141
to mention to people stop thinking of this

1725
00:58:49,141 --> 00:58:51,310
as a crutch or something that's

1726
00:58:52,016 --> 00:58:53,841
having a negative appeal to your dog because

1727
00:58:53,841 --> 00:58:56,563
it's basically a guide rope. Yeah. When you

1728
00:58:56,697 --> 00:58:57,729
use a leash properly,

1729
00:58:58,284 --> 00:58:59,871
instead of just allowing the dog to pull

1730
00:58:59,871 --> 00:59:01,823
in leash, and it being a point of

1731
00:59:01,882 --> 00:59:03,401
frustration. Mh. That's what I think we see.

1732
00:59:03,561 --> 00:59:05,079
And that's my point is that when we

1733
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:06,917
see a Psa 1 people do they do

1734
00:59:06,917 --> 00:59:08,356
their only leash healing, and then they do

1735
00:59:08,356 --> 00:59:09,889
the off leash healing and often the off

1736
00:59:09,889 --> 00:59:11,567
leash ceiling is better than the leash. Yep.

1737
00:59:12,046 --> 00:59:14,124
That just shouldn't be the case. Now I

1738
00:59:14,124 --> 00:59:14,443
admit,

1739
00:59:15,322 --> 00:59:17,080
mine was that that was the same with

1740
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,405
me because I at the time was free

1741
00:59:19,405 --> 00:59:20,279
reshaping everything.

1742
00:59:20,757 --> 00:59:22,904
And the leash was to me at the

1743
00:59:22,904 --> 00:59:23,142
time,

1744
00:59:23,778 --> 00:59:26,005
just a point of control for the dock.

1745
00:59:26,259 --> 00:59:28,487
And it represented frustration to my door because

1746
00:59:28,487 --> 00:59:29,601
it was how I'd hold him on the

1747
00:59:29,601 --> 00:59:31,113
back tie. Like, it was how I'd post

1748
00:59:31,113 --> 00:59:32,545
him during the bike work and stuff like

1749
00:59:32,545 --> 00:59:35,353
that. The leash represented to him

1750
00:59:35,664 --> 00:59:37,493
a restriction of getting what he wants.

1751
00:59:38,130 --> 00:59:40,675
And I think so many people are still

1752
00:59:40,675 --> 00:59:42,289
in that model. And now

1753
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:44,512
with that same dog and certainly with all

1754
00:59:44,512 --> 00:59:45,628
the dogs that I train and all the

1755
00:59:45,628 --> 00:59:47,380
dogs that I have influence over the training

1756
00:59:47,380 --> 00:59:49,453
for is I never want them to think

1757
00:59:49,453 --> 00:59:50,902
of a leash like that. I want them

1758
00:59:50,902 --> 00:59:52,578
to think of the leash as like, oh,

1759
00:59:52,737 --> 00:59:55,130
thank fuck you have that on because that

1760
00:59:55,130 --> 00:59:56,108
is a signal

1761
00:59:56,566 --> 00:59:59,516
that I can get every time. It's a

1762
00:59:59,516 --> 01:00:01,769
tactile cue. I will feel it. It doesn't

1763
01:00:01,769 --> 01:00:03,469
matter whether I'm like, highly.

1764
01:00:04,090 --> 01:00:06,090
It doesn't matter whether I'm focused on something.

1765
01:00:06,570 --> 01:00:08,329
That is a tactile cue that I will

1766
01:00:08,329 --> 01:00:10,577
be able to feel. When we talk hierarchy

1767
01:00:10,577 --> 01:00:11,134
of signals,

1768
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:14,792
probably odor will go above that. But we

1769
01:00:14,792 --> 01:00:16,780
don't control that. So of the things that

1770
01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:17,337
we control,

1771
01:00:17,989 --> 01:00:21,258
the down the leash pressure that goes into

1772
01:00:21,258 --> 01:00:24,049
the collar, the directional you can get from

1773
01:00:24,049 --> 01:00:26,861
that, the amount of clear signals

1774
01:00:27,335 --> 01:00:29,414
control and guidance that you can give to

1775
01:00:29,414 --> 01:00:31,494
a dog with the leash. When it's done

1776
01:00:31,494 --> 01:00:33,974
with that intent, I think is something that

1777
01:00:34,055 --> 01:00:35,894
I took for granted for a long time.

1778
01:00:36,229 --> 01:00:38,382
And now appreciate more than I ever have

1779
01:00:38,382 --> 01:00:40,797
in the past. Good. As as well as

1780
01:00:41,094 --> 01:00:42,530
I am trying to pass that on to

1781
01:00:42,530 --> 01:00:44,684
as many people as possible because I just

1782
01:00:44,684 --> 01:00:47,251
think that it's a mist thing. Imagine trying

1783
01:00:47,251 --> 01:00:49,165
to ride a horse without any reins. Yeah.

1784
01:00:49,324 --> 01:00:51,021
And by a particularly

1785
01:00:51,557 --> 01:00:52,355
skilled horse,

1786
01:00:52,834 --> 01:00:53,392
that's possible.

1787
01:00:53,951 --> 01:00:55,785
And with a particular kind of horse,

1788
01:00:56,438 --> 01:00:58,115
that's possible. I know. But then you get

1789
01:00:58,115 --> 01:00:59,951
into, like, the 1 percent. But this is

1790
01:01:00,030 --> 01:01:01,706
Why Pong can be at the cafe. Yeah.

1791
01:01:01,866 --> 01:01:03,622
And he can be off leash, kicking it,

1792
01:01:03,862 --> 01:01:06,430
do his thing. And this is why, yes.

1793
01:01:06,829 --> 01:01:09,141
I could probably achieve that with my dog

1794
01:01:09,141 --> 01:01:10,737
if I put the work into it. I

1795
01:01:10,737 --> 01:01:13,050
have no fucking interest in doing that. I

1796
01:01:13,050 --> 01:01:14,587
have no desire

1797
01:01:14,979 --> 01:01:16,570
to get to the point where my dog

1798
01:01:16,570 --> 01:01:18,502
can walk around the area off leash

1799
01:01:19,036 --> 01:01:21,581
because although I could probably do that right

1800
01:01:21,581 --> 01:01:23,588
now, could probably take the leash off my

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01:01:23,588 --> 01:01:25,102
dog and give them the commands that I

1802
01:01:25,102 --> 01:01:26,457
want them to do. They both have a

1803
01:01:26,457 --> 01:01:28,927
loose leash wore command. And if I were

1804
01:01:28,927 --> 01:01:29,666
able to

1805
01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:31,900
take their leash off. Like, I can drop

1806
01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:32,539
those leash.

1807
01:01:32,940 --> 01:01:33,900
You know, if I have to pick up

1808
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:35,900
a shit that I'm am dealing with with

1809
01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:37,980
both my dog walking around, like, I can

1810
01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:40,225
easily just those leash and they stay exactly

1811
01:01:40,225 --> 01:01:42,530
where they are. But I would rail... It's

1812
01:01:42,530 --> 01:01:44,120
only if I absolutely need to do that.

1813
01:01:44,359 --> 01:01:45,790
I need those hands. I have that level

1814
01:01:45,790 --> 01:01:47,141
of control, that level of trust, but I

1815
01:01:47,141 --> 01:01:49,221
don't wanna rely on that. I don't want

1816
01:01:49,221 --> 01:01:51,282
that to be the heel that my dog

1817
01:01:51,282 --> 01:01:54,931
literally dies on because I decided that I

1818
01:01:54,931 --> 01:01:57,335
had a level of control but then my

1819
01:01:57,335 --> 01:02:00,775
highly impulsive and somewhat powerful dog sees something

1820
01:02:00,775 --> 01:02:02,855
that he wants and takes off faster than

1821
01:02:03,015 --> 01:02:05,027
I can stop him. Right? Like... And I

1822
01:02:05,027 --> 01:02:06,644
think this is a thing what we see

1823
01:02:06,942 --> 01:02:07,442
is

1824
01:02:07,899 --> 01:02:08,399
everybody

1825
01:02:08,776 --> 01:02:11,009
assumes that us as dog trainers have this

1826
01:02:11,009 --> 01:02:13,163
massive level of control of our dogs. And

1827
01:02:13,163 --> 01:02:15,807
we do. For sure. But not everybody passes

1828
01:02:15,807 --> 01:02:18,036
every trial. Right? And not everybody gets full

1829
01:02:18,036 --> 01:02:20,345
points in every trial. So it's not that

1830
01:02:20,345 --> 01:02:22,096
we... The dog will always do what we

1831
01:02:22,096 --> 01:02:25,137
say. Dogs blow off recalls. Dogs see something

1832
01:02:25,137 --> 01:02:26,969
and just decide not, I'm doing it. And

1833
01:02:26,969 --> 01:02:28,265
if there were a guarantee

1834
01:02:28,721 --> 01:02:31,521
that my dog would call off something. It

1835
01:02:31,521 --> 01:02:33,663
wouldn't be impressive that in the level 2

1836
01:02:33,663 --> 01:02:35,487
of Psa, we have a call off. Like

1837
01:02:35,487 --> 01:02:37,391
if that was something that you could guarantee,

1838
01:02:37,788 --> 01:02:39,136
you can teach that to a dog, and

1839
01:02:39,136 --> 01:02:41,140
it 100 percent work, a hundred percent of

1840
01:02:41,140 --> 01:02:42,493
the time, and you never have to worry.

1841
01:02:42,811 --> 01:02:44,641
If your dog takes off after a cat,

1842
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,108
if you do the right training, will 100

1843
01:02:47,108 --> 01:02:48,142
percent of the time be able to call

1844
01:02:48,142 --> 01:02:50,070
that off. This is not fucking true. That's

1845
01:02:50,070 --> 01:02:51,426
just not true. It's very good chance at

1846
01:02:51,506 --> 01:02:52,782
Will. If you do all the right trading,

1847
01:02:53,021 --> 01:02:54,537
there's a really good chance. And you gotta

1848
01:02:54,537 --> 01:02:56,930
do everything right, but that's why we have

1849
01:02:56,930 --> 01:02:58,365
a call off in these things because it's

1850
01:02:58,365 --> 01:03:01,014
like test this motherfucker. I see how well

1851
01:03:01,014 --> 01:03:02,849
you can train that. Mh. And even for

1852
01:03:02,849 --> 01:03:05,801
all of us who are spending our whole

1853
01:03:05,801 --> 01:03:06,301
lives

1854
01:03:06,933 --> 01:03:09,326
dedicating it to training our dogs to achieve

1855
01:03:09,326 --> 01:03:11,718
these certain tests still fail them day and

1856
01:03:11,718 --> 01:03:13,951
again. My abs solution does doesn't exist in

1857
01:03:13,951 --> 01:03:14,988
dog training. Exactly.

1858
01:03:15,546 --> 01:03:16,046
So

1859
01:03:16,359 --> 01:03:18,432
That's my big bug bear about leash lesions.

1860
01:03:18,831 --> 01:03:21,166
Good. I think that I get it. I

1861
01:03:21,224 --> 01:03:23,457
understand why people wanna be off leash. I

1862
01:03:23,457 --> 01:03:25,052
understand why the average pet dog owner wants

1863
01:03:25,052 --> 01:03:27,882
to be off leash. I understand why

1864
01:03:28,339 --> 01:03:30,894
some dog trainers don't wanna use issues because

1865
01:03:30,974 --> 01:03:33,768
I've absolutely been 1 of them. But now,

1866
01:03:34,007 --> 01:03:36,412
the point that I'm at I'm leash crazy.

1867
01:03:36,890 --> 01:03:39,435
I see all of the benefits to it.

1868
01:03:39,833 --> 01:03:42,393
I take those. I understand the cons to

1869
01:03:42,393 --> 01:03:44,542
it and I accept those and I have

1870
01:03:44,542 --> 01:03:45,895
work around them. And as you said, like,

1871
01:03:45,975 --> 01:03:47,009
you got a face that shit out, I'd,

1872
01:03:47,089 --> 01:03:49,158
like, yep. For sure you do. But not

1873
01:03:49,158 --> 01:03:50,909
early, You know? How many years have you

1874
01:03:50,909 --> 01:03:51,466
known me for?

1875
01:03:52,118 --> 01:03:54,027
9. How many times you've you ever seen

1876
01:03:54,027 --> 01:03:55,619
me, let my dog just run into the

1877
01:03:55,619 --> 01:03:58,165
shed with alicia? Never once. Right. That has

1878
01:03:58,165 --> 01:04:00,574
to say something right? Exactly. Just because this

1879
01:04:00,574 --> 01:04:02,414
is my backyard. We train here and stuff

1880
01:04:02,414 --> 01:04:04,094
like that. I don't let my dogs ever

1881
01:04:04,094 --> 01:04:04,974
run off leash.

1882
01:04:05,694 --> 01:04:07,349
Because on the way there, I don't know

1883
01:04:07,470 --> 01:04:08,989
a, if there's another dog in there. I

1884
01:04:08,989 --> 01:04:10,349
don't know who's in there. I don't know

1885
01:04:10,349 --> 01:04:11,630
what the dog's gonna do if he gets

1886
01:04:11,630 --> 01:04:13,710
in there and there's d q doing a

1887
01:04:13,710 --> 01:04:15,470
drill or something like that. I just cannot

1888
01:04:15,470 --> 01:04:17,501
fucking I take the risk That's. That It's

1889
01:04:17,638 --> 01:04:17,717
unnecessary.

1890
01:04:18,831 --> 01:04:21,775
Unnecessary. It's foolish and it's very irresponsible my

1891
01:04:21,775 --> 01:04:24,003
behalf as a handler and as a trainer

1892
01:04:24,003 --> 01:04:26,879
and mentoring people to then walk in and

1893
01:04:26,879 --> 01:04:27,617
do something

1894
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:28,569
completely

1895
01:04:29,022 --> 01:04:30,451
irresponsible like that. Like, if I let my

1896
01:04:30,451 --> 01:04:32,197
dog off lady that ran in there, and

1897
01:04:32,197 --> 01:04:34,752
somebody got hurt. I'd never forgive myself. I'd

1898
01:04:34,752 --> 01:04:36,817
be so disappointed and so down on myself.

1899
01:04:37,215 --> 01:04:39,677
Like in all the gears, there's always times

1900
01:04:39,677 --> 01:04:42,060
where you have mishap and, you know, minor

1901
01:04:42,060 --> 01:04:44,780
accidents, but I've been around people before that,

1902
01:04:44,938 --> 01:04:47,326
you know, I've seen major accidents happen, and

1903
01:04:47,326 --> 01:04:50,405
it's literally because they take those unnecessary risks

1904
01:04:50,843 --> 01:04:52,436
They'll let their ambitions get mixed up with

1905
01:04:52,436 --> 01:04:54,588
their capabilities and the next thing you know,

1906
01:04:54,907 --> 01:04:56,660
someone pays for it. Yep. And at the

1907
01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:57,989
end of the day, when you're dealing with

1908
01:04:58,029 --> 01:04:59,546
dogs. It's a dogs that fucking pay for

1909
01:04:59,546 --> 01:05:00,983
it. Yeah. You might. You might get hit

1910
01:05:00,983 --> 01:05:02,738
in the hip pocket, but your dog's life

1911
01:05:02,738 --> 01:05:04,494
is on trial. Yeah. Yeah. You know, because

1912
01:05:04,494 --> 01:05:07,385
of your ego or your sense of entitlement

1913
01:05:07,385 --> 01:05:09,625
got in the way of thinking, my dog

1914
01:05:09,625 --> 01:05:11,144
is at this expert level. He should be

1915
01:05:11,144 --> 01:05:12,764
able to deal with all oncoming

1916
01:05:13,224 --> 01:05:16,037
distractions and a listening stimuli. Well motherfuckers that

1917
01:05:16,037 --> 01:05:17,785
doesn't happen. Yeah. It's good what we're having

1918
01:05:17,785 --> 01:05:19,954
this conversation. And it's good that we're discussing

1919
01:05:20,328 --> 01:05:23,784
a rethink of returning to basics because the

1920
01:05:23,842 --> 01:05:27,511
evolution in most trainers should be... I'm learning.

1921
01:05:27,751 --> 01:05:29,664
I'm learning. I'm learning. I'm learning. I'm learning.

1922
01:05:29,824 --> 01:05:32,057
I'm learning. I'm learning. Now I'm thinking. Now

1923
01:05:32,217 --> 01:05:34,623
I can see that my mentors have showed

1924
01:05:34,623 --> 01:05:36,375
me away? And yes, it's worked well for

1925
01:05:36,375 --> 01:05:38,287
them. But then when I watch them, why

1926
01:05:38,287 --> 01:05:40,199
are they going back to? Why are they

1927
01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:42,839
doing all these control mechanisms where they're framing

1928
01:05:42,839 --> 01:05:44,740
their dogs and positions. The reason they're doing

1929
01:05:44,740 --> 01:05:46,325
that is because they understand you have to

1930
01:05:46,325 --> 01:05:48,385
have a return to the basics. Mh never

1931
01:05:48,385 --> 01:05:49,281
be in a rush

1932
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:51,907
to eliminate the basics. Like, the basics are

1933
01:05:51,907 --> 01:05:54,464
there to to hold everything in place. I

1934
01:05:54,464 --> 01:05:56,382
heard panel say this before in 1 of

1935
01:05:56,382 --> 01:05:58,951
his episodes where he says, in the word

1936
01:05:58,951 --> 01:06:00,622
basics or it was look. It local panels.

1937
01:06:01,020 --> 01:06:03,487
In the word basics, the word is base.

1938
01:06:04,124 --> 01:06:05,716
Okay? Because you've gotta have a base. You've

1939
01:06:05,716 --> 01:06:07,228
gotta have a base layer. You've gotta have

1940
01:06:07,228 --> 01:06:09,396
that foundation set. 1 of the things that

1941
01:06:09,556 --> 01:06:11,550
I learned, it wasn't just from dog training

1942
01:06:11,550 --> 01:06:13,226
was from Martial arts as well. 1 of

1943
01:06:13,226 --> 01:06:14,981
my old teachers are yours always used to

1944
01:06:14,981 --> 01:06:17,543
say to louis we build a solid foundation,

1945
01:06:17,862 --> 01:06:20,247
have a good base. Mh. Be strong in

1946
01:06:20,247 --> 01:06:22,394
your mind, but also be strong in your

1947
01:06:22,394 --> 01:06:24,399
stance and in your body as well. He

1948
01:06:24,399 --> 01:06:26,157
never taught that you had to be rigid.

1949
01:06:26,556 --> 01:06:28,234
He taught that you could be flexible and

1950
01:06:28,234 --> 01:06:30,471
so forth, but he always said, have a

1951
01:06:30,471 --> 01:06:33,117
strong foundation. Yeah. Any mental that I've ever

1952
01:06:33,117 --> 01:06:35,106
worked with with everything I do. I mean,

1953
01:06:35,185 --> 01:06:37,094
when I try and rush guitars. Jake says

1954
01:06:37,094 --> 01:06:39,163
to me you settle down, slow down, don't

1955
01:06:39,163 --> 01:06:40,356
be in a rush to get through this.

1956
01:06:40,768 --> 01:06:42,436
Because I'm thinking I wanna sound a certain

1957
01:06:42,436 --> 01:06:43,864
way. When I'm a dog trainer, I'm thinking,

1958
01:06:44,182 --> 01:06:45,452
I wanna look a certain way. When I'm

1959
01:06:45,452 --> 01:06:46,961
doing martial arts, I'm thinking, I wanna do

1960
01:06:46,961 --> 01:06:47,993
those high flying kicks.

1961
01:06:48,644 --> 01:06:50,241
It works a very small percent of the

1962
01:06:50,241 --> 01:06:53,035
time, but then everything starts falling apart. Yep.

1963
01:06:53,514 --> 01:06:56,389
So leash... Yep. Don't rush to take them

1964
01:06:56,389 --> 01:06:57,985
off. Of course, we have to get to

1965
01:06:57,985 --> 01:06:59,753
leash control. That's the point. Yeah. Yeah. But

1966
01:06:59,753 --> 01:07:01,504
there's no rush to get there. And the

1967
01:07:01,504 --> 01:07:04,711
path to off leash control is tons of

1968
01:07:04,768 --> 01:07:05,962
leash. Yeah I agree.

1969
01:07:06,773 --> 01:07:08,918
Alright. That's it. Cool. That's it we've just

1970
01:07:08,918 --> 01:07:10,746
solved all the world's problems. Yep That's it

1971
01:07:10,746 --> 01:07:12,574
another episode. Can I power? Cool. As always.

1972
01:07:12,812 --> 01:07:15,130
Yeah. Luckily here. Just like right. Share subscribe.

1973
01:07:15,369 --> 01:07:16,877
Tell friend. Someone did the other day, and

1974
01:07:16,956 --> 01:07:18,306
I read it to you. Oh, really? Yeah.

1975
01:07:18,465 --> 01:07:20,451
Yeah. They said it. My goodness. Here we

1976
01:07:20,451 --> 01:07:22,753
go. It's a good 1. I laughed. Glenn.

1977
01:07:23,643 --> 01:07:26,032
Spelt with 1 end can die today knowing

1978
01:07:26,032 --> 01:07:26,829
he made a difference.

1979
01:07:27,466 --> 01:07:30,037
All kidding aside, these guys are entertaining and

1980
01:07:30,095 --> 01:07:32,460
educational. I have nothing to do with protection

1981
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sports, but still always look forward to a

1982
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new episode 5 stars. There you go? Yeah.

1983
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You can die today. I can forget my

1984
01:07:38,405 --> 01:07:39,043
name spelled wrong.

1985
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That's a great start to a you can

1986
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die today. Yeah. Knowing you made a difference.

1987
01:07:45,429 --> 01:07:48,706
Absolutely. Yep. Yeah. So leave herb, a review

1988
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1989
01:07:50,776 --> 01:07:52,447
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1990
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1995
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And I'm a genuine fan. Yeah. Yeah. If

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you could do that for us, there'll be

1997
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a huge help. In return, we will have

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another episode next week. Yes. That'd be wonderful.

1999
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other thing You want for the show. Don't

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like Patreon. Fair enough. Don't like subscription models.

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Fair enough.

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Whatever. Spy fucking tapestry. Yep. I think what

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do we make 8 dollars out of that

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of so? Yeah. Something like that.

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But you can tuck it into your t

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shirt and run around like Home. There you

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go.

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Okay.

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Alright. So you've

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reviewed us? Yes. You've gotten in a patreon.

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Yes. You've bought a Tapestry. Yep. And a

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t shirt. Yep.

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Last thing you gotta do is get into

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Facebook group. Yep. So the Facebook group, 10000

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people in there.

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Just all being awesome. Yeah. Nice people. Everybody,

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big conversations. The number 1 we will help

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in people. El. Everybody love everybody. Yep. So

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we're doing that. But if you wanna get

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in contact with us directly, you could shoot

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an email. We are info at the canine

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paradigm am dot com. Hey.

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Love you guys.