Hello kiddies. It's your old pal,
Jack CRE the voice of the Crip keeper.
And you are listening to the bottom shelf.
uh.
Oh, okay. Everything's good to go. You guys should all be here shortly.
Oh, and so I said to the doctor, Bennett. Heck I broke it.
Sean. Yeah. Oh, gosh. You got, you got the tacos. What?
The, to no. What do you mean tacos?
We, we sent away from tacos. Remember?
Yeah. And Branson's gonna bring them.
Brenton.
A, um, speaking of Branson, taco bell, where is Branson?
That's a good question.
I set a memo out last week.
We were supposed to be watching a movie today and we show on time and ready to
go. Well, yeah. Where is he?
Yeah.
And then some genius decided to start promoting the episode by putting taco
bell advertisements on the.
Facebook. I mean, I have no CLMs with this. Well.
Yeah,
except Branson got overly excited and started binging on the taco bell.
Oh gosh.
I got some, some taco bell too.
I'm gonna mess homeboy.
Yes. My taco bell.
Homeboy homeboy has been camping out in the bathroom for the past week.
Uh, he, he should have learned a long time ago. I got a massage.
From here. I'm eating here. Clicks, pop.
GLS. Uh, GLS had to install a seatbelt on that thing for him. .
Hey, I got a message from CEL. Hold on one second.
Good evening. Bottom shelf crew. This is your Admiral speaking.
I would like to remind you that I do listen
to all of your shenanigans and I have been informed through the channels
that you are reviewing. My favorite Godzilla movie.
I would like you to remember as you review this movie,
that it is indeed my favorite Godzilla movie movie.
I hope you enjoy have fun.
Um, Jesus, well,
this is the big one and we were down a man and CEL lesson is on board.
You know what? Wait, wait, wait. I know a man. Give me a moment. Give,
let me call him. I'm bringing him up right now.
You sound to discover a world of terrible movies,
high above the planet. Geekery a group of Intrepid explorers,
hover over the dangerous planet in their fabulous super orbital spacecraft.
Their mission to conduct a complete analysis of movies known throughout the
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and Wanda,
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On the bottom shelf?
My name is Kevin.
One of the most humble guys you hear on the show and this is the bottoms,
self podcast and extension of geek devotions.
And we are dedicated to letting you know that you are loved.
So if you don't listen to anything past this point,
you are loved and you are created with plan and purpose with me or space mates,
senior Dallas, Panda, captain marsh. You know,
I screwed your name up, sorry.
you know what? You know what Kevin, if you, if you want,
you can go in the bathroom and practice that into the mirror a couple more
times. Come, come back out. Try it again.
Okay. Kermit.
what's up, Kevin? How's it going brother?
It's going well, I just can't pronounce. You're a full home five names.
What's what's.
What's with the what's with the European's obsession with Muppets,
you can called me Kermit and I always, I always,
I always hear Gordon Ramsey being like you Muppet.
That other voice you're hearing that is John Jacob Jing hunter Smith.
How you .
That's my name too?
Yep.
He was part of the junior harvest Smith, uh, committee that, uh, was on the, uh,
that bonus episode of the bottom shelf of while back.
Lovely.
And apparently you're not hearing Branson's voice because Branson decides he
needs extended leave from taco bell because he can't handle the food or handle
his bowel system.
I taught him how he taco bell years ago, but he forgotten the ways. So shame.
It.
Takes a bite out time and he just, you know.
Took flush thing about it. Is he, he, uh,
he he's trying to cut calories. So he only got water,
but he also wanted authentic Mexican food. So he got authentic Mexican water.
That's not taco bell.
I don't know. It has the same effect on me.
Either one. It's nothing authentic in taco bell.
That's a that's calorie mix right there.
Yeah. If you,
if you see a white dude with pink and rainbow color hair and he is,
and he is telling you good vibes tattoos on his arms, handing you tacos.
That is definitely not real authentic. Mexican anyhow,
surprising that we also have a board with us special guest Golin Nu
extraordinaire, Nathan.
Hey.
Welcome board. Nathan. You.
Said this was French roast. Are you even drink coffee?
No.
No, we, no.
We haven't watched it yet. We can't pretend like we've seen it.
You realize how many times I've seen, maybe he.
Likes French roasts puff.
also, I, uh, I believe,
I believe Branson delivered your taco bell to monster island and gave it to
Zilla. That's why it's not here. No. Oh, that would be it.
Apparently he's do.
And he works for Uber eats now and somehow Zillow's learned how to order.
I'm not sure. not, not sure how that works,
but it's pretty easy to the probably probably, but then again,
I've seen lots of weird things on monster island.
Although I did not come here from monster island.
I was at all monsters attack in Indianapolis.
Suddenly I'm getting a call from Jimmy who says, Hey,
I just heard from that crazy Irishman that we're needed at planet geekery okay,
fine. Come get me interrupt my convention. Sure. Whatever.
And then he flies the S Moonlight S Y three over here,
Lantis scares the head a out of everybody and then flies me here. I'm like,
oh yes, I get to be on the bottom shelf. And then he told me why. I'm like, oh.
.
For those of you who are Nathan here is the, uh,
the host of the Mo island film vault,
which is a 97 podcast podcast coming from, uh, I.
Have that disease.
so there's a podcast where you guys can get all the, uh, all your gut,
all your giant monster, uh, mayhem news from so Kevin,
what do you have for us, Steve? Okay.
Hang, hang, hang on. Hang on a quick second.
I can't let an opportunity like this. Pass me by you need, I,
I need you to settle an argument here for me, Nate, if you could. Uh.
It's not.
The question. The.
First it's not a Puma.
The first question, the first question that I have is,
is Kalu a Kaiju.
Short answer. Yes. All right.
I disagree.
But the second question is who would win in a fight between
Kalu and Godzilla?
For those of you who are wondering what's happening,
Nathan currently is having a mental breakdown.
His eyes are rolling to the back of his head as he processes this moment in
time.
Know that much Gazi win. I'm sure the be.
Quarter.
This is, this has been an ongoing argument between Kevin and I and I just.
Well, God, let's band more on movie. He's more fandoms and he's more,
more loved in some, um.
I mean I've seen Godzilla take out some pretty crazy things. I mean,
king Gura may as well be in older horror.
And although Godzilla needed help both the time to beat him.
Kalu lives in multiple realities. I mean.
Have you seen well.
While he's living in multiple realities, listen, even this reality.
And let's talk about a movie that I actually have right here that below the
dumpster. How about we do that?
Do you need a hug, Kevin?
No, because right now you're side distracting from the original conversation.
and it will go down some tunnel. I.
Do have a friend who might be able to answer that question for you though. John,
his name is Ryan. He goes by the Omni viewer on YouTube.
Did a whole panel about this on at GFAS.
Oh yeah. Yeah. He's a cool guy. One day. I like to meet him.
So Kevin, what do you got for bud?
Oh, right. You print a screw heads. Review Godzilla.
Since you already know what it is.
All.
Right. Yeah. He says, um.
Kevin been watching army of darkness recently.
When has Kevin never stopped watching over of darkness?
That too bar podcast at the same time. Exactly. This is my booms stick.
So, so on this movie, let me see right.
Here. Smart shop S smart, smart.
I got my VHS right here, SIS from the crass of independence day,
Godzilla size does matter. You could be taken so many ways.
It's big. It's loud and it's fun by Joel Siegel. Good morning.
I could also be taking so many ways. What crap. Let me see.
On the back on the back of this VHS,
this says Godzilla's is back bigger and much better than ever.
It's size, defies, comprehension, and expertly designed theme park,
ride of a movie that packs nonstop thrills one jaw dropping scene.
After another, the film never loses another momentum or its human scale.
That's not really saying much. This is like saying this is the direct, um.
Kevin, Kevin, Kevin, let me see that, that.
Box coming from a movie.
Me say that box.
No, this is mine. I, this is mine. This is my dumpster. You stay over there.
I'm just saying, let me, I'm just saying I have the same one.
Of.
This vs. I have the same one and there's no plot synopsis on the back.
Okay. I'm just wondering like what, who does not put a plot? So on the back,
I mean, yes, it's Godzilla, but.
In there defense, the first physical media release of Batman 89,
didn't do it either.
Okay. Well, um, well this film was released worldwide.
The 20th may of 1998 runs two hours in 19 minutes and it's for PG 13 for a CGI
dinosaur action, violent,
some language dumb sex jokes in the outdated Barney to clip. So.
Tell us how you really.
I'm just saying what's phrase PG 13 for it's directed RO by Roman Emrick by
who.
Haven't been in Ireland. Th 13 means.
13. It is directed by RO Emerick produced. Yeah. See,
we're already here for some, um, you know, some heat braces jokes too,
while we're assets. It is directed by Roman. Emerick produced by Dean Devlin,
screenplay by Dean Devlin and Roman Emer.
While they crypto names clearly across this whole board,
music is done by David Arnold. Someone.
Else wanted to be.
Involved with it.
How about you read the back of this VHS catch while you're at it?
Do you.
Need a hug? The music? My God. I'm trying to speak.
The music is done by David Arnold. If you don't know who David Arnold is,
he has done music for many Dan's bond movies.
And I think he did one of the Narnia films as well.
I think so.
That's pretty impressive.
I, the film, yeah, he, I think he did for like seven James Bond films.
He did the good ones. Yeah. Well he also did some bad.
Ones here. He's poor mans, Danny Elfman it's but.
Yeah. Yeah. It's starring Matthew bla face Leon, the professional razz.
More winning more the.
Minutes.
.
Maria career killer. Patillo and .
Okay. Do I need to let you guys take a breath or something? Oh, good. No,
keep going. Keep, okay. Starring Leon,
the professional Razzi award-winning Mary Patillo. Kevin. Dunit all.
I cast him the Simpsons,
some of the Asian fighters from big trouble in little China and a lot of fish.
.
I love you, Kevin. Kevin, you are my hero.
I love you too. okay. I'm glad to be everyone's hero.
Oh my gosh. That's so.
So here's something I've found also in the back of this case, it,
it says it's the winner two RAs for best supporting actress and be,
and worst remake reaching a load of cheap racist jokes that David Bowie cover
song millions of gallons of recycled New York city water, bad coffee buns,
and retaining more angry fans than star wars, Piqua and sequels combined.
That was for my brother.
He wanted me to write that down and give that to you guys. I was like, okay,
I'll do that just for you Jericho. So love you Jericho.
Your brother's name is seriously Jericho. That is amazing.
yep.
And my middle name is Joshua and my parents always made a joke of it my entire
life growing up. And he still will until did.
You March around him all the time? .
Yep.
Seven times every day. Around 10.
No, not seven times every day. Just one time a day. And then he punched me.
Oh, no. Jerk will fought back. Oh my gosh. All right, well let's,
let's start talking about this film so, uh,
we got some taglines, uh, for the film. Ooh.
Taglines. Let's hear, let's hear, do.
The worst from our viewers on, uh, on Instagram and on, uh, Facebook,
which if you're not following those platforms, I'll encourage you guys to do it.
Uh, Kevin is our best.
Because if you're a real Christian,
you would follow that only real Christians follow these pages.
So Kevin here is a master Meer and he makes some great memes. And so, um,
but we have some, uh, some taglines that you amazing, uh,
bottom sheers have provided. Uh, one is here. These are these,
uh, said in the taco bell, uh, Chihuahua voice.
That was the best part of the movie. Um, that really was, I'm not gonna lie.
The commercials were my favorite, uh, Godzilla, not as bad as you remember.
Oh, Godzilla Zillow, 2000.
Think outside the bond wrong movie. I, I.
Think.
I was about to say, I think they got the wrong movie for that one because.
.
I'd like,
I don't even watch ki I don't even watch Kaiju and I know Godzilla 2000 is
something completely different.
True story. God Zillow 2000 has my favorite line and God Zillow film.
There's this general talking about this new weapon. And he goes,
this missile will go through God's ill, like crap through a goose,
like crap through a goose goose. That's only done by the way.
It's it's and it's amazing. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. So I might have to make a,
a shirt with that too. All right. Um,
we didn't know how to politicize a giant lizard punching things.
I, I, I understand that history shows us again and again,
how Hollywood is fol of men, Godzilla blue oyster cult. Maybe .
Okay. Yay.
I understood that. Right? I need.
To know who I, I need, I need Dallas. Yes. Who wrote that one? Oh.
Lemme pull it up. Lemme pull it up.
I, I need, I need to know that person's name.
Kristy refill and Z Peeky.
Little bit there. Uh, John, when you were yelling that's because.
I was shouting. Got, we got little too excited.
I was shouting directly into my diaphragm on my microphone.
Your diaphragm's.
Excite as over his microphone.
No. To all bottom shell fans make John happy, send more music references.
It was um, Jonathan Gilbert.
Jonathan Gilbert, if you're out there listening,
I just want to acknowledge the fact that you have won this episode today.
for me, that's.
According to John.
So no matter what happens,
I just want everybody to know that no matter what happens beyond this point in
the, in the show where that reference was made, it's all downhill after this.
You may as well just shut. Just shut the show off right now,
because it's not gonna be any better than someone making a blue oyster or cult.
Reference. All right. Well, Nathan, thanks for joining us.
We appreciate you being on the show. Hope people can enjoy.
See mate.
All right. We have, uh, the Saturday morning cartoon was better was that's true.
This is, this is the truth. Uh, oh.
So you've guys seen this before. Okay. You know, let's keep going.
How many more telos are there?
All right. Uh, just when you thought he would, uh, quit Americanizing stuff,
are we would've quit American size and stuff? Uh,
this isn't your father's Godzilla. In fact, it's not anybody's Godzilla.
That is actually untrue.
.
And then, uh, our buddy Mike, uh, who was on our mortal combat episode,
says that one movie that spent millions upon millions in marketing alone.
Oh, good Lord. And, uh, boy, did they ever,
this was one of the first times the people learned the hype is not real.
uh, from the Instagram side, we have, we're going to need a lot of fish.
And then, uh,
we have one more from an interesting individual named the dapper, the diaper,
man. I don't know. it says,
I think you'll need a bigger dumpster.
That's what the subtitles on YouTube say when .
Yeah.
There's an issue with, uh,
the subtitles reading Kevin and he said good evening hundred Derman and I would
think he was saying the diaper man.
Every single time.
So I think you'll need a bigger dumpster. I think he's telegraphing here guys.
Just.
A little, just, just the time. I didn't rewrote that someone else wrote that.
Oh my gosh. Somebody having trivia wrote quick, briefly about the film I,
this was, we got,
this was actually a permutation of a much more interesting project.
I can tell you that there,
John Daut was trying to get a Godzilla film made in the mid
nineties with special effects by Stan Hyde, not Stan Hyde. Excuse me,
Stan Winston. I get those names mixed up.
Sometimes Stan Hyde is a guy involved with G Fs, sorry,
but it fell through unfortunately.
And if you look up the script or the concept art, uh,
for that version of Godzilla, it was so much more interesting.
all right. Cool. Any other trivia, John?
Well, I pull this out a dumpster, John. I,
I know how much you love to look up IMDB. How about you?
Tell us the trivia from IMDB, John.
I got more. If you wanted. I.
See with that lead in with that lead in you big jerk. No, no,
I will not do it. I'm not doing it. Never again. No more trivia.
Let on the show. Nope. Go ahead. Nope, it's done.
This is the only.
It's done.
Here's a little trivia. No.
More. All.
Right. I guess.
Page.
Fill this gap now. Fun fact.
Frank weer,
the famous Frank weer provided some of the monster
noises in this, for those who don't know,
Frank weer is a prolific voice actor who played such characters as
Slimer and Metron and just to make it even Nu I.
Thought he was an actual monster.
Yeah.
And just to make it even nuttier rumor has it that his rival Peter CU voice
of optimist prime did animal noises for king Kong in the 1976
remake. Really? So whenever they're talking to, to each other,
it is arguably God's all versus con yeah, I get that. I get that. Okay.
Sweet. Well, I feel like that's all the tri for today.
it's because John has failed you. No,
John hasn, no.
John hasn't failed us.
Kevin's hit bad buttons like he does. All right.
Does expectations guys going in to see this again? And I say again,
because I know every one of us have seen this.
I see the lick of despair in our eyes. What?
I never seen.
The show before. One of those secret,
I saw this twice in a movie theater once when it came out and once for
riff tracks. So what is your expectations for today's episode?
For the today's viewing? It's not gonna change. I have my opinions about this.
It's not exactly what you might think it would be, but I don't,
I don't expect it to change at all. I'm not sure what you're saying, guys.
that I, I, this is called teasing for the episode.
Okay. Kevin.
Uh, um, expectations, expertise.
I've seen this movie more times than I can actually count.
So I have my thoughts and I've save him to throughout this episode, the end,
possibly.
Wow. Oh, wow.
This is gave the, he gave the exact same answer that Nate did, except.
I know, right? This is like, you guys aren't getting us nothing here.
This is the most least expectation expectations. We've overhead.
When have I given you a good expectation of anything? I,
I don't even like expectations because if I've never seen, I don't.
Know. He doesn't have great expect. I.
Have, I do know.
I mean, he's European. So, uh, so John, how about you,
your expectations?
Um, I've never seen this movie before.
I'm sorry. Really? , I'm really surprised by that.
Um, you know, it just.
It's what happens when all you ease Dios and CHG down monster drinks,
you miss something.
Life. What? Bro.
I'm so confused.
Hurry up, John, say it say.
Well, I would, but I've got some.
Let's calm down a little bit. Let's calm down a little bit, John,
what are your expectations? I'm sensing a lot of hostility here. I just, yeah,
it happens.
Uh, but this came out at a, in a period of time I was getting,
I think I was a junior in high school and I was that kid who,
if something was popular,
I would proceed to not do that thing because everybody else was doing that
thing. Oh.
So you're a hipster. Got it.
Uh, no,
actually at the time I was across between what I call a Manson night.
Mm-hmm , you know, if you remember the whole Marilyn Manson kids,
I was across between that and a gutter punk.
Well, I'm glad you were rescued out of the cult.
Mm-hmm.
Okay. So you just weren't involved with this at all?
No, it's it's like, oh, it's a popular thing.
That's going to ruin one of the best led Zeppelin songs ever.
That was puff daddy's fault or P Diddy or whatever name he's
using nowadays. I can't keep track.
P puffy poop, daddy, uh.
Just a magic dragon. That song. No.
uh, but no, and, and so it was just like, it,
it ruined cash me and it, uh, you know, I,
I, when everybody, after everybody got done seeing it,
no one seemed to really be excited about having seen it after the fact.
So I just didn't see a reason to include myself in that crowd.
That makes sense. I'll give you that. I will tell you this.
It didn't do the franchise any favors when it came
out, it shut it, it killed it for good a little bit. I know that. Yeah. I, I,
uh, so my, I got stuff to tell you about why ,
let's just say I have a book of scholarly essays on the Godzilla
franchise. This does, it did ha the start of the essay on this movie,
the first line is simply Godzilla fans hate this movie.
and then my expectations going are
my expectations going in today are, um, cautious at best. Um,
I have like, Kevin, I've seen this more than I could probably tell you. Um,
I did watch it in theaters as a kid, uh, as 14 year old Dallas.
Um, I have seen it several times. Uh, as you guys heard the top show,
this is my wife's favorite Godzilla film. Um, she needs to be educated.
I I'm just saying she needs more Godzilla films in her life.
We have watched all the show era, Kevin, um, and, uh,
I'm working through the Hassay right now. And so, yeah.
but for the uninitiated, that's said, when he says show up,
those are the films from the fifties to the seventies. Hey say is,
what is the name for the series? That's the eighties and nineties. Yes.
That being said, I have to be sensitive to,
this has to do with whichever emperor was raining at the time,
because that's how the Japanese keep track of years. That's their calendar.
That's true story. It's all about the leadership. But, uh, but yeah,
so I'm going into this, um, knowing full well, what I'm getting into,
and if I turn off my brain, my analytical brain, and I just have fun with it.
I will enjoy it today. Um, so that's that, that was where my expectations.
What we turn off our brains while watching a movie.
I don't ever remember doing that before.
Cause you turned it off your brain to remember it.
.
Did he, does he ever turn the, turn it on? I'm not sure.
Oh, believe me. Kevin has it going on often his brain is going okay.
So it's Sean, who never remembers to turn it on. Got it.
No, John, he, he has his brain on more than he allows people to let on.
He just sends to a side and watch like ha plot device here.
John's got his, John's got his, brain's like a diesel. It just goes, you,
it doesn't actually stop. You forget that. It's there until it wraps up.
I do too.
if I, you and it bites you in your rear, it's like, whoa,
where did that came from? It's like, ha ha you remember this? It's like, oh.
Crap. So when John Head, but you it's a fender bender. Got it.
that's fair. That's fair. All right guys. Well, let's uh,
let's go. And, uh, watch a movie about, uh,
giant lizard year lizard.
Lizard. Let's do it glitch. Let's play it.
Dear listeners. This is your opportunity to escape.
Our crew has just entered into the media projection chamber.
What horrors and matters that they consumer unknown their mental state upon
their attorneys. Unknown. You have been warned.
You know, that bad feeling I get when something really bad is about to happen.
Uh, I'm getting that feeling right now, man.
Why didn't you have it before we went in?
Okay. This, this movie failed to answer one question that it, that it brought.
Up. Here's that bad feeling, man.
What's that one question, John.
How do you go from the professional to this movie?
I think there might have been a few things in between
desperation. No breathing.
Did did is that guy like the French version of Nicholas cage?
Oh, Hey. Hey, there will be no ill talk of Sean Reno.
The best actor in this movie.
I dunno, the rain was pretty prevalent actor in the, in the movie. This is true.
I .
So, so what you're saying is it, it was filmed in Shreveport.
Yes. . Believe it or not. It rains in more places than Shreveport, uh,
quite often.
So, and I think this had more pothole something.
One of have more potholes in Shreveport so,
alright. Let's get into it. Um, that.
That was the sound of Kevin realizing words.
That sound the same don't necessarily mean the same thing.
all right. So.
One letter makes all the difference in the world.
We're getting into our conversation, spoiler free conversation, uh,
about the film things. We liked things that we didn't like about it.
I got something I wanna say about it. Uh, and that is this watching the film.
I kept getting these weird vibes of, uh,
that reminded me of Stargate and independence day.
And then I looked at the director and I realized, oh,
it's the guy that did Stargate in independence day. It's the,
the same team basically. And so I was like, this makes so much sense. Yeah.
At this point, I like those movies better. Yeah. Most people do at this point,
the both of these guys, because of independence, they were,
they were the hot stuff in Hollywood at this point because independence day was
this massive hit. So they basically could do whatever they wanted.
As far as the studio cared.
And they inherited this Godzilla project that had been sitting around.
Toho the original studio in Japan that created Godzilla,
was wanting to break into Hollywood and do a Hollywood remake for a while.
And then it came to these guys and neither one of them cared about Godzilla,
not a lick.
And it really shows they don't know what they're doing with this.
They don't know how to do a proper Godzilla film.
The sad thing is if this had been called anything but Godzilla,
it would've faded into the nineties ether.
The name is the only reason anyone ever talks about anymore. To be honest,
I don't know if anyone here has seen this, what this really is,
as far as I care, an old, but name is a remake of beast from 20,000 fathoms.
Has anyone ever seen that from 1953? Uh, 52. Is it 52?
53?
Yes. Yes. I, I, I agree with that. Yeah. It is very much, it's.
Much.
More.
It's much more something like that,
which ironically beast and 20,000 fathoms inspired their, the original Godzilla.
Well, its one of the inspirations for it. So they're.
So that's your non-sport part, right? Yeah.
Basically. Oh.
Okay. I just wanna make sure I don't go too far mate.
Okay. So, so I'm just gonna say, I am like,
I am not a Kew fan. Yeah. Like I'm not anti Kaiju. I am.
You could say I'm Kaiju curious.
.
Uh, so.
Hey, who let Brenton in?
No one was singing. Um.
Branson is still having a taco bell with Zillow over on monster island
at this point.
Do that.
Uh, and maybe a Chihuahua. I don't know.
Oh that this might explain my pod in the, uh,
Gundo watch episode anyway. Um, but no,
I ha I had no frame of reference to, uh, well,
I have little frame of reference to compare this to specifically Godzilla movies
cuz the only other Godzilla movies I have watched up to this point is the
2004 God's was it 2004 or 2006?
You mean 2014?
Whatever.
With the COVID with, with uh, with uh, breaking bed.
Yeah. COVID COVID has completely ruined my mental calendar.
Yeah. That was 2014.
And so okay. I, you know, whatever,
it still feels like it's 20, 21 um, anyway, is that,
and then Godzilla king of the monsters.
From 2019 or 1956?
Uh, 2019.
Yeah. So that's all same, same universe. Um.
So, so those are my only other two Godzilla references, although no,
I te I, I tell a lie, uh,
back in the nineties when I was home sick, um,
I was watching, uh,
one of those old movie stations and they were playing Godzilla versus Mora.
From 1992 or 1964. .
64.
Oh wow. Okay.
It was black and white.
No, that's not in black and white. Your TV on.
His television.
It was, was not black and white your teeth. Well, I.
Was, I was sick and I probably was on cold medicine. So like I said, I only.
So what you're telling me is you only watch God's Zillow films while on drugs.
Got it.
No, he.
Was right beside us. He.
Didn't look like he was on any drugs.
He says that because he hasn't considered this to be a Godzilla film.
So .
Oh, I, I get it. Apparently he doesn't,
he doesn't consider the moderate Chronicles to be a Godzilla film either.
so yeah, that's the thing. So you're with all that being said,
you're not Kaiju uh, necessarily Kew family, not against it. What, what was.
Your I'm not, I'm not against, uh, well, it's just, I don't have a,
I don't really have much of a basis to compare this to other Godzilla movies.
So I had to watch it in, in the, uh,
from the prospect of just being what I know about Kaiju in general,
which basically composed is of all the movies I've I've recently mentioned.
Right. Plus Cloverfield. Yeah.
Okay. Okay. So.
And it just felt bland.
Yeah. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna tell you this right now there,
this is generally speaking hated in the Godzilla
fandom and there's all of these fanboy reasons for it.
And I understand the fanboy complaints about this, which we'll get into,
but for me,
the biggest problem that this movie has is it's a bad without
spoilers. What? Without spoilers. Yeah. Without spoilers. It's a,
it's a bad nineties. Blockbuster. That is its greatest sin. Yeah.
This is, this is like the movie wild wild west with will Smith. You know,
a lot of sizzle, little stake.
I'll say this. Um,
without avoiding spoilers, there was a, uh, there was a, uh,
a scene in it where, um, the professional was, uh,
drinking coffee and he, uh, um, he holds up and he's like,
this is French. I thought those, uh, he goes, I thought he said,
this was French roast. He goes, it is French roast. And he goes,
gimme more creamer. And uh, to make it tolerable, that's what they felt like.
It was like, like Godzilla film saw this, like I thought this was Goz and he go,
it is Godzilla. And they're like,
let's just throw more crap in it to fill it out because product.
Placement. Yeah.
We can't make this actually like Godzilla.
So let's just put stuff in it to be as horrible as possible. Yeah. See,
here's the other thing. And I think David Callo, that book,
I was mentioning where that started with Godzilla fans hate this movie.
He actually, I think really articulated why like the heart of the issue,
why Godzilla fans hate this movie.
And that is because this came out at a time where the Godzilla franchise
did not have a very good reputation.
It was just considered to be kidsy schlock with bad dubbing
and, and all of that, all of that sort of stuff. Be great stuff.
Why does anyone care about this? But you know, but the Godzilla fans were like,
no, there's more to it than that. Okay. Let me explain.
But no one was being open and minded enough for the most part, to hear that out.
Suddenly we get wind of a big budget,
Hollywood version coming out and they're like, now I can actually show them.
This is why it's cool.
And then it comes out and it reinforces everything just with a bigger budget.
And then at that point, no one really was taking the franchise seriously.
so right. That, so there, so that's what it is.
It reinforced the negative stereotypes and killed any chances
of non Kaiju fans,
finding any interest in this and then inspired Toho to make a new series of
movies a few, uh,
a year later that basically take at least one shot at this movie and
every single one and it was amazing. Yeah. It was amazing shot.
Now let me ask you this or not Kevin, uh, Nathan, um, cuz you would know,
um, was there a syndication rights that became available of the show era
Godzilla films?
Because the last half of the show era of Godzilla was the most campy versions.
I, in my opinion, I feel like the Hassay era is not that campy. And,
but it seems like,
like when you talk to people about Godzilla and they think back about it,
like it's those older ones that were just really terrible, like was,
was America just flooded with the, with the syndication of those or something.
Yeah. They, several of them didn't go to theaters.
They were premiered on television.
Sometimes the dubs that were used were often of questionable quality,
mostly because like once you got to the seventies,
they weren't even the American studios that were distributing them weren't even
dubbing them themselves. And they would actually get professional actors,
you know, to make it sound nice, actually have decent scripts after that,
it was just the international dubs that Toho would commission in Hong Kong.
And if you've been in the anime scene and the foreign film scene long
enough, you know, Hong Kong dubs are a crapshoot so,
so they, so they were just so that didn't help their reputations at all.
And yeah, there were other complicating factors like shrinking budgets that did
unfortunately make them look worse, but there were still,
I would say a lot of gems,
especially if you get 'em in the original Japanese with good subtitles right in
that second half of the show era. Okay. Gotcha. All right, Kevin,
you got any spoiler free thoughts before we get into this and really start
diving into this conversation. Why bother is that? Nope.
I feel like you, I.
Feel like everything, I guess we'll do in the spoiler.
How about we just get to the spoiler?
Kevin, Kevin, did your,
did your VHS of this film fall off the shelf and kill your Chihuahua?
I'm sorry.
I hate dogs though. No. Yeah. I'm pretty sure if it, if it did, it would,
there was a that still happened to walk in my house. It would kill it. .
John hit the spoiler button, buddy.
Ladies and gentle the spoiler section.
So, um, one of the worst movie dialogues I've ever heard for.
A film, .
Look at it. It's a, it's perfect. An island water on all sides.
It's like no other island in the world. Really? No,
no island has water around what kind of island doesn't have water around?
I was born on an island in key west. Yes. I know what an island looks like.
Bro. When you're reading that, I was like,
the first thing that went through my mind was like they're basically describing
Ireland. No. And then I just, then I.
Every Ireland. Yeah.
No, no, no. Hang on. Hang on. Uh, and then the thought went through my head,
like what would a, what would an Irish Godzilla movie be like?
And would it start that guy from uh, uh, fatal deviation?
.
Nope. Nope. Just pay everyone off of beer instead of money. Okay. So Hey.
You dude. I,
I kind of wanna see that guy from fatal deviation in a Godzilla movie. Now.
You know what? I forgot to sing you the CA the Irish Kagy movie. There's.
An, there's.
The Kaji.
Movie. I'm curious. I am curious. I, I, I understand Kevin.
I understand Kevin.
Just all come at and attack me. I went chew
all of you. Oh. At once.
Bro. You gotta warn somebody before you throw a hand grenade in a row.
A hand grenade.
Goodness, light Irish kg, Fu movie.
God knows what's happening with an Irish Godzilla film.
It's not an Irish God Zillow film.
It's it's, it's called attack of the killer potato.
Wow. A funny, okay, well.
Oh my gosh.
Um, yeah, I mean, you know,
a monster that's this size is Kaju and.
They, you lose it and then there's the big.
They can't find it.
And then there's the big crossover that they did with their neighbors in
Scotland, where it was killer to potatoes versus Nesti.
I mean.
I'm not talking about the Scotts in this podcast. Okay. I'm I'm here to keep it.
Hey, Hey, I used to keep it that way.
I used to have a boss who was half Scottish, but it,
and he only acted Scottish when he was drunk. I'm just saying,
so here's my spoiler. Uh, thoughts about the film? Um,
the, the Godzilla fire breath was terrible. Um,
I don't think that counts that was terrible. I think that was,
I think that was belt a belch that would accidentally light on fire. Like.
I,
I would be inclined to believe that because Godzilla doesn't have fire breath.
He has atomic breath. I'm not a, I'm not a K GWE. And I know that.
like, it was just terrible the way they added that in there. I'm like,
what is this joke? Well, you wanna know why? Well, apparently they had.
To add it in say, when they saw the breath.
It got work got out that they weren't gonna do the fire breath, the radio,
the atomic breath, and then they're like, fine.
And then they just threw it and then they threw it in there and right in a
couple of spots to make Def French happy. Yeah. It didn't make man Kevin happy,
lost your Irish accent right there. Just now buddy. .
So like legit. I,
I know I'm not the guy to talk about Godzilla, but the,
the first thing that irked me about this movie happened literally in the first
sequence, which is where they suggest that Godzilla is just an IRA,
came from an irradiated, iguana egg. Like I,
I saw that it was in the opening credits is when is when they sequenced this
out and it just, it started me out just like, please. No,
don't, no, don't do that. I.
Kevin, why are you laughing at that buddy?
I, and the,
my issue with this isn't because like I work in the medical field,
I know what radiation does. And it's just like, no,
this is not how it works.
Bra, do you,
do you not understand that this comes from old school science fiction and comic
book logic where radiation is magic.
Radiation. I, I get, I get that incredible whole,
except it's it's out of, it's completely out of place in,
uh, in, even in 1998, when this was put out,
it it's out of place because nobody believed that at that point,
like it made sense in the 1950s stuff. But, but to be fair because in 19.
To be fair, John, this is like, when this SCR was really written,
people were still riding the high of freaking captain planet and everything
related to nuclear power had to be high to enjoy capital planet
or, or six, like I was. And so,
but everything related to nuclear power was evil and did weird crap like that.
Also, I want to go on record as saying,
having the redhead be the guy who played the fire ring was
inappropriate.
Oh my gosh, Kevin, what are some of your, more of your, uh,
spoiler filled thoughts?
How many Steven Spielberg references did you guys get in this film?
Uh, we're uh, we need bigger guns.
Okay. The, you know, I catch, I didn't count them, but the,
the fact of it is, is this did feel very spiel Bergy oh, it.
Wanted to be S Spielberg,
but it is not S Spielberg what were you saying, Kevin?
He has a secret love affair that he really desires to have even Spielberg on his
side. Because like any time he does a movie,
he's got to imitate Stephen Spielberg, even his earlier films,
because this one, like the three boats going into the Walter,
that was the no to the, um,
the three barrels that went into water with jaws and it bought back out,
we need the bigger guns. You gonna need the bigger boat, the footprint,
which is like the Jurassic park thing, by the way,
that footprint scene and the beginning of the Matthew bro truck walks inside
that always bugged a living crap outta the, still does.
This whole.
Movie single time.
This whole movie wants to go.
On. John, what would you say, John?
It really does what.
You say, John.
Oh, no. I was about to say, I have thoughts about that footprint too. I,
yeah. Does it.
Perfect ratio? Isn't it?
Who hunts? I.
I don't hunt, but I, I know how, when I'm,
when I'm camping outside looking at tracks on animals.
Okay. Then, then you'll understand this Kevo. But I mean, if,
if you're ever out in the woods and you're trying to track an animal,
or you come across animal tracks and you look down to try to figure out whatever
it was. Yeah.
Because I wanna know there's a bear nearby or what kind of Bobcat it.
Is. There's multiple. There's gonna be a multiplicity of depth and,
uh, consistencies across the footprint. First of all. And second of all,
it's never gonna be a perfect inlay because the things in motion.
So I looked at this thing and everything was a square cut down for
like three feet. Like there's no,
there's no ridges going down in there to,
to give the idea of impression or movement. But no, it looked,
it literally looked like it was just carved out of the ground with a backhoe.
Like they had rent, they had rented it for, you know,
six hours to make the footprint and they had to get it back and get shooting.
I, I think the same guys who made the crop circles did this one. Ah,
that's very possible to respond to John with that one.
You could argue it's an homage to the original Godzilla film,
cuz they did the same thing there two that's the least of this movie's problem.
Problem.
Look better in the black and white in this one.
Oh yeah. But I mean it it's, Kevin's correct. It's a, it's an early,
it's a early warning sign in this movie about what the special effects are gonna
be in this movie. They're I mean, they're passable if you don't have eyes,
but
the effects in this movie weren't special is the point I make. I get.
That I, the CGI has aged horribly. Yes.
However I do not.
Just the CGI sir. The, the, the, the green screen effects that they use in.
There also true. Also true.
This was one of the first movies where I remember hearing people talking about
how setting things at night with raid is trying to hide bad, special effects.
I'm like, you know what? Sometimes people do it because it's moody,
but whatever, I understand it with this, however,
I will make the argument that the practical effects in this still hold up.
Practical effects typically do. If you got someone running them,
that knows what they're doing. Well.
Fun fact, in fact, they almost, uh, had a guy in a suit for this Godzilla.
They did make a suit and they did do some test footage with it,
but they ended up not using it.
They should have, they should have done mocap with, with, uh,
I just lost his name.
Andy circus and.
Andy circus. They should have done mocap with Andys for Godzilla in.
This.
CIR has actually did coach the mocap actors for the monster
verse films. For what I hear.
That's the reason why they're good. Ish.
Mm-hmm and then you had the Velo of Raptor references,
the Don story producing XX,
hopefully sexually the water vibration scene, the door opening scene.
Yeah. But at least they didn't need a pregnancy test,
a human pregnancy test to figure that out in Jurassic park.
Yeah. Because that science.
Science.
I wish you beat me to a, a jerk.
that's how science works. I mean, I, I get,
this is science fiction. I get this, but you know, there's.
They're leaning a little hard. This is I'm to fiction and not the science.
This is the part where I side with John on certain aspects. Like sometimes,
you know, you can go so far with science fiction before you go too far.
It's like, okay. You know what? Yeah, sure.
Yeah. Yeah.
Can we talk about how apparently it is impossible to pronounce the name to
topless? That that was a running joke that, that just got old very quickly.
That joke worked well for the first two or three times,
but it went on like 10 more times. Yeah. It's.
Like, I.
Know reason why they did it. I know the reason why they did it because, um,
with my DVD has a commentary. So when I listened to the commentary, he says how,
because he, the topless is the Patrick topless or yeah. Patrick topless,
French guy, whatever. He says that it's great. People always pronounce his name.
They're from not here in America. Okay. Uh . And they,
they mispronounce names and they keep like I do,
because I never pronounced anything correctly,
but it kept mispronouncing his name. So it was like, Hey,
we'll make this a running Jack joke for the, um, film. Okay, cool.
But you limit yourself,
you don't overuse it because then it starts sound like a Jerry Lewis film when
you overuse a joke.
That's true. That's true. Yeah. Well, I mean,
a running problem with the film is that they kept trying to,
they were overdoing some things with it. Like they were overdoing the use of,
of Godzilla. I, I, they knew that their gut graphics weren't good. They knew it.
And yet they just kept plugging it in over and over and over.
Again, they wouldn't take Godzilla off the screen. I do.
You guys think that that's the reason why in the 2014, there was kind of a,
a response of hold back on how much you see Godzilla was a response to
how much you see him and all of his babies in this one.
You know, I, well, here's, here's, here's the thing about that question though,
because that this movie is the direct has the direct opposite problem.
I don't know.
I don't know that it was a response in the 20 whatever
2014 movie.
I don't know if it was a direct response to this movie with how little they
showed him. But if anybody wants to know what it would've looked like,
if they would've showed 'em as much as they wanted to point 'em to this movie
and, and say, this is the reason why you don't do that. .
Okay. Here's.
Funny that you say that with all of the Spielberg references in this,
but Gareth Edwards who directed the 2014 film was
actually channeling Spielberg and that one by not showing Godzilla,
because he was inspired by jaws where you hardly ever see the shark.
Yeah. Because which is a fatter Spielberg to emulate.
yes. You,
you imitate his techniques and to filming you don't
imitate the exact thing that makes a particular film. Right. Okay.
So when, um, um, with John on that,
I would say that Gareth Airwood was really trying to get to the more horror
route, but everyone already knew Godzilla.
So it kind of like defeats the whole horror aspect. It works,
but it should've used more of the gods of the monster and that 2014 and less of
the, whatever those things were. Yeah.
Those things I show use LA far less than that, this one is basically just like,
if there was a 1950s, um,
sci-fi dinosaur film made in the nineties,
that's what you get from this one just much more in a extravaganza because the
1950s will always show loads of the monsters, surprising.
It had the woman in peril. This one had people in per, but still.
I, I get that.
But my response to that would probably be that this isn't the 19, they,
people weren't signing up for, for, with, with this Godzilla.
It was people weren't signing up for the 1950s feel though. Uh, that's one,
that's one thing I remember with how it was marketed,
the spirit behind it at the time. Um, I, I,
and I have a clear memory of it because I think I'm the oldest person on this
show. uh, but yeah.
With pride.
Hey, I'll, I'll take it I'll with, with age comes wisdom, sir.
You take it grandpa, allegedly.
You were talking about the fact that you have a clear memory of it being.
Oh yeah. And, and the whole thing was, this is a modernized version of Godzilla.
This is what this is Godzilla is, but that was, that was,
that was how it was being pitched.
That was how was marketed.
And, and in the initial commercials for this,
they didn't show you what Godzilla looked like at all. Yeah. The in.
Fact,
the first teaser trailer for this is actually kind of brilliant if it's the one,
it, because none of this footage,
it was me ex it was basically a very short film made to promote this movie where
mm-hmm, , it's the kids with the really boring tour guide at,
at a history of, uh, at a museum of natural history.
And then they see a TX skeleton and then they hear stomping in the,
in the distance.
And then God's little foot comes down and crushes the skeleton and walks away.
Yeah. And I'm like, that is good. That is good. That is not the movie we got.
No. And, or, but the,
there was the other teaser that did come from in this movie, uh, which, uh,
well, the fisherman was when that yeah. The fisherman at the end of the dock,
that, that was the biggest teaser that I remember for this movie,
that old co you're just sitting there, maybe it's today,
I'll get the big one and then it shows the big wake of Godzilla
coming in,
and then the boards coming up and then all Godzilla mm-hmm across
the screen. And, and so they didn't show it to you because it was a whole,
we're making this new and it's not, they were Godzilla.
They were also hiding the fact that they were redesigning the creature.
And it didn't look anything like the past Godzilla.
It's because it wasn't Godzilla. It wasn't irradiated a Guana.
We've gone over this.
I didn't read something while about the, about the body.
And apparently they had pre-released to several production houses,
uh, concept of our Godzilla. But none,
it was real because they wanted to see if they could trust, uh, companies,
uh, with their, with their stuff.
And apparently fruit of the loom had leaked an image of Godzilla early and lost
a contract. And, um,
like they didn't actually release the actual image of it until the movie came
out mm-hmm or, or about the day before, something like that.
Because when it was finally, when it was revealed, people were like, what?
The crap is this, that was one of the numerous fanboy complaints, you know,
completely different design, completely powered down,
cuz he doesn't have the atomic breath.
He Dodges attacks as opposed to just walking into it.
Like he's invincible, you know, there, all of these things,
this is the thing that's nutty about.
This is that this is technically the only God Zillow film
where a 100% military solution wins the day.
Every other God Zillow film. Even if the military is involved,
it is not just them.
They either got help from scientists or another Ji or
something else helped to win the day. This is purely military.
They shoot him enough and he dies. I wanna say this about the body type.
Cause I, I, at the moment, we're all pretty much attacking the film.
I wanna say this, if you remove the name Godzilla as a whole,
don't go in it, thinking about it, like Godzilla, these interesting.
Like I said, yeah. It's an interesting monster creature film. Yeah.
The science doesn't work out cuz it's a Johnny Guana.
But like with that body type yet.
Cause I remember people complain about the body type about how we looked.
It made sense for the type of movie they were wanting to make. Right.
Because here he is crawling around New York very quickly through tiny
streets and Buring down. It made sense. Yes. You could not get the, uh,
old school Godzilla and the Mar Godzilla in the city city. Right.
The way that they had this working out.
And so I felt like that was a smart move. Right. For telling the story,
they wanted to tell to change the body to be this right. As,
as weird as it is to have a giant Guana mm-hmm yeah.
Isolated from the name, this is a good creature design. I will say that,
like I said, the problem is the dang name. I mean it,
you wanna know something Toho hated this movie so much. I said they,
they took shots at this movie and basically every movie they made after this for
like the next 10 years, mm-hmm, not only that oh,
six years. Excuse me. Not only that,
but they basically bought the rights to this creature and
changed its name slightly. They changed his name to Z, which is yeah.
I know pat that probably.
Too.
Last one. I Dr. Tolos and he's,
he's trying to file a lawsuit with Toho for doing that.
But because the joke was one of the guys at Toho said they took the God out of
Godzilla and that's why they hated it. Yep.
And then you watch guys final wars and they have Zillow done
via CGI because they scanned an action figure into the computer and then they
had suit suit nation Godzilla,
kill it in about 15 seconds, Laura.
Hey.
Kevin.
You want some candy, John? You want some sweets? I got bag of sweets right here.
.
What was up with that? Why was, why was he kept feeding him candy?
What was happening in that scene?
Eber. So that's why .
And Ebert parody that even Cisco Lebert said, didn't go far enough.
cause I watched their review of this.
Cisco was sick and in the hospital he had to call in and they said, we,
yeah, we didn't like your movies, uh, Devlin.
And Emrick so you put us in this to poke fun at us.
You know what you should have did you should have had the lizard kill us.
that? Would've been funny. That's just,
why were there so many Reese's com uh, references in the stag movie.
Reese's bro, that taco bell, the only thing taco bell,
there was so cluster. Oh my goodness. Oh.
What was that like blockbuster being a thing.
There was a Cola in that I can't remember.
Like I don't, I don't remember, but yeah. Blockbuster was everywhere.
See, I remember blockbuster. I remember taco bell.
I do not remember Reesey's at all during that timeframe?
Nah, that's just me. That's just me joking with the Reeses.
He wants some Reeses I was like, Hey, I bet you have Steven Spielberg.
I bet you have Steven. Um, he took the Reeses. He would've,
but he probably couldn't get the funding for Reese because oh 18,
there was Spielberg movie. Come on.
I think he was a trained to get M Ms. But they,
they wanted too much money or something. So he settled for this candy.
No one heard of,
and then the movie comes out and it's the most popular candy ever after that.
oh, wait, you're talking about candy. I thought he went for, he,
he settled down from M andm to puff daddy or something.
Well, oh, okay. Yeah. There. Yeah. Nice job. That's that's it. Um.
So how have any of you had military family know about I'm.
From a military family? I got military friends. I live in a military town.
My dad got out of the army before I was born. So I don't know if that counts.
Okay. Well, I, I,
I come from military family with my father being the Navy and so forth and just
like all of the, the kernel, the Launa and the switching back and forth,
they couldn't get the name. Right. and the Apache helicopter,
that was like, how many freaking weapons does it have per wing?
Because you're gonna have like two Macs and that was the machine guns.
And it was like, oh, we'll do like three. We do four,
we'll have unlimited missiles. I'm like, what are you doing to these jets? How,
you know, what's a big, this doesn't sense.
You know, what's a bigger problem.
They're lying.
The what you're bigger problem.
The fact that they can't keep track of a 300 foot lizard in a city because
apparently he's a magic chameleon.
Apparently. So the military logic makes zero sense. This movie that's one.
That was the part. We, the one thing that irked me in this film, I mean,
there's other things. I was like, whatever, you know, I just let it slide.
I just, you know, it's, it's fun, dumb, whatever crap.
But the military logic bugged, the living fire of me every single time,
the chain of command Kevin, the way he went back and forth.
Kevin, isn't that part of the whole thing that we talked about earlier. Like it,
it, they threw in so much big budget, blockbuster stuff, blow crap up.
Boom. I mean like what, where else they gonna get the big booms from,
except for through military.
Obviously they didn't have a guy on staff who was like, Hey, um,
that doesn't work in the military. I mean,
I I'm with you the entire time watching my,
how many movies have guys who just fire without reloading all the
time. All right. But like the entire time Kevin I'm I have my,
you you've met Matt before I have him in the background,
yelling like that doesn't work. .
Mm-hmm.
like,
I can't imagine the number of military guys who watched this then went,
what is wrong with you? Well, it's funny that you bring that up. Yeah.
This pretty much like, this is pretty much like comparison to the hurt locker.
It's for me, I'm like this,
like none of that would any anybody would ever do in the military,
you would not accept those form of orders and you would never give those orders
and you would never do any of this. That's why I felt like there was smoothie.
Time.
Whenever so happened. And.
We gotta get the military stuff in there. Cuz this has the, you know,
the typical kinds of characters you see in these movies, reporters,
military politicians,
they're all there and you gotta make the military a little bit incompetent at
the beginning.
You gotta have them be the gung-ho ones are like let's murder this thing three
ways from Sunday, all of that sort of stuff. But the funny thing is,
is I read an essay about this movie that argued that the military
in American Cairo films, particularly in this movie is a guide you unto itself.
And I'm like, how can you say that, man?
Because they look like idiots in this until the end.
And the only reason they win after doing more destruction than
Godzilla himself in this Zillow, whichever name you prefer,
they even call it out in the movies.
Like you're doing more damage than the lizard.
The only reason they're able to do is because he gets tangled up in bridge
cables and he can't move. I'm like, are, is your aimed that bad?
It's a 300 foot lizard.
So one of the scenes that irked me a little bit was when they took the,
uh, when homegirl took the, the top secret tape of, uh, from there.
And it's like, first off, how did you get the footage of that interview?
Second off, all it is was the footage from the movie itself.
And I all sudden thinking it's like, it was like space balls.
You guys remember the scene from baseballs were like, we gotta find them quick,
grab space balls, the movie. That's what it felt like. It.
Was like.
We need this top secret tape about God's quick get gods Z the movie.
And they put it in. When is this? Now? Now? No, now, now this is now.
And that was now. This is then this is now. Yeah.
That's what happened in that scene.
When will then be now.
Now that's what happened in that scene.
That's all I could think about. I'm like,
why would you make this production choice?
Why would military even give the scientist? The tape? I mean,
that's something you don't give the tape. That's your wait. No, no.
Anybody works.
It's hard time.
Anybody who works in military medical or anything,
you don't just share everything with everything and you.
Don't leave it out on a table. Right?
John, do you share everything with everyone? Does everyone,
does everyone above you share everything to you? Everything.
Do you need to know everything?
I'm trying to understand what you're, what you're digging on here. Kevin. I.
Forget it. Never mind.
oh, good Lord. John. You've been kind of quiet for a man.
Do you have any other spoiled, uh, thoughts for this, Phil?
I.
I have a couple thoughts. I took actually I, I,
I made like Kevin this time and wow.
Took, oh.
I took notes.
I have notes with Kevin has really grown you. I'm so proud of you.
Um.
So I want to give John a hug.
Issue. Number one.
Oh.
Snap watching, watching the fishing boats sink at the very beginning.
You know, I'm trying to suspend my disbelief for this movie enough already.
Cuz apparently Godzillas and AANA um,
and then I'm watching these fishing boats as they go under.
And if you watch them, they all go down in synchronicity.
Like same rate. Every boat is just as sunk as the one next to it.
As they go down, it was like,
you could almost see the rails that these boats were on as they were going
underwater. And I'm thinking to myself,
I'm thinking to myself when I went to California, when I was in, in the summer,
after my third grade and we went to go to Orlando studios,
I have seen better special effects on the tram ride at universal
studios than what I just saw at this point in the movie.
John.
Go get the right designer from, from the tram ride at universal studios.
They'll probably work for less and give you a better visual.
The tra ride from 1966. That's the one you need to get.
John,
this is weirdly nitpicky because this movie has much bigger problems.
Oh no, he's not there. He's not done. No.
He's got his list. Like I was literally,
I, I know I'm kind of telecast,
tele telling what my rating is by saying you never telecast anything.
What are you doing? You tele casting. What? No. Anyway,
10 minutes into this movie, I already hated it.
Like that was literally my third note on here. If you see,
it says 10 minutes in this movie, I already hate it. man,
you sound like an adopt child already.
.
I hate this family already.
What did this movie do to you?
And I'm a dude and I was offended by the whole.
Every woman loves every woman loves Matthew Brodrick rhetoric that
they had in this movie. Oh, what the Frick? I'm my God.
That's that's because Matt really.
Matthew brought.
Bueller here is phoning it in. He is so phoning it in.
Uh, he's not, he doesn't give the worst performance in this movie,
but it's not great either. And I'm like, I are you going for like, you know,
unemotional nerd or socially awkward nerd or whatever here,
cuz it's it's just not work. And Mr Broderick,
let me tell you mm-hmm let me tell you. I'm friends with Dr.
Telos on monster island.
He is not a fan of Matthew Broderick's portrayal of him. .
Um, what else? What else I got here? Uh, the feeling of this movie.
I was trying to put my finger on it because it didn't,
I'll be the first person to tell you this movie had didn't have an original
feel to it. No, at any point. And I finally came to the conclusion.
This movie is what would happen if you take all the worst parts of Jurassic park
and Clover field and smashed them together.
But this is before Clover field.
It doesn't matter that would, this, this, this is,
I can only respond to this in the order that I have seen these movies. I.
Saw, I.
I understand pull Overfield first.
I understand.
And yeah, it, it just felt like the worst parts of all that stuff. And like,
literally right here in the notes, 30 minutes into this,
I already dislike all the characters
I don't care about any of them. Good.
Oh, come up.
To die.
Hanker's animal is one of the bright spots in this movie. I'll.
Give you. No, he wasn't. I didn't like him either. I didn't like his wife.
I didn't, I didn't like his wife though. I.
Liked him. Don't like the wife. I don't like the wife either. His wife is,
I don't mean.
I don't like the almost Hollywood looking blonde actress in
this.
Movie. Oh no, she's terrible.
I, I didn't like nobody likes her Brodrick in this movie.
The best person in this movie was the guy who was in the professional. Yeah.
Sean Rano and even then, and even then he did a bad job in this movie.
But he was trying, he was trying so hard to save it.
You think.
So? Yeah. I think he was.
I didn't feel like anybody who was in this movie wanted to be there.
This, this, the whole,
the whole vibe I got from all the actors in this movie is they had this
internal conflict going that could be comparable to when you step out of your
bathroom naked and it turns out your in-laws decided to visit. Why would you do.
That? so I, I,
I read a thing that said that the entire cast was given wetsuits while filming,
because it was just wet all the time. I can't help.
But one the miserableness of it is part of the reason why the entire cast just
looked like they were done. And when you hear it, like,
I also heard like the guy working on the director, he didn't,
he didn't like the original Godzilla at all. So yeah. I'm wondering,
he's gone on a record saying that.
Why would you,
why would you direct a movie that is kind of a reboot to the series
that you don't like then said.
He was offered.
Page the guy from SpongeBob saying because money. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.
I was you check, you want another baseball's connection here.
There almost was a Godzilla too. The search for more money.
It got as far as the script and I've seen interviews with the guy who wrote the
script and the crazy thing is it actually would've been better.
It actually would've been really interesting,
but it never got made because this one bombed.
I then I'm glad this one bombed because I couldn't deal with another
one. Watch.
The cartoon. The cartoon is so much better,
which I wanna go on record of saying thank you,
Kevin Burnham for giving me the DVD of the cartoon,
because it's freaking amazing. You're welcome. That's friends of childhood.
I'm glad that made my heart glad.
Did your, um, your love appreciate the cartoon beside you.
Watching. I had,
I've covered several episodes of the cartoon on the monster island film vault
with our friends, from the cell cast and we've all enjoyed them. .
Uh, so you, the guy who did this was RO and Emrick you said, right? Yes. Yes.
That's correct. Okay. Is, is this the same guy who did moon fall?
Yes. Yes. That's why Kevin R why? John doesn't Lincoln. Oh.
Okay. Yeah.
he's also done, uh, he did the sequel to the sequel to independence day,
which that one wasn't great. Either. It may. That was terrible. Yeah.
Say what you want about the original. At least the original had an energy to it.
The sequel didn't and he's not a lot of disaster movies. 2012 the day. Uh,
what was it? The, the day after tomorrow or something like.
That? Oh sir. I'm I'm I'm familiar with these.
My wife loves these movies and Kevin,
she watches them by herself because I hate these movies.
Hey, Kevin is independent. Say two in the dumpster.
Yeah. Both independence day movies are in a dumpster.
Wait. No, no, no, no. Only one of them should be in the dumpster.
Well they're same either.
Have you not seen the, have you not seen the Metacritic for independence day?
Season two of the bottom shelf. Dells gets wild. All .
So, all right. In fact, just about that'll July,
we'll do like every rolling ER, every Roman, um, rolling ER,
film just about is inside a dumpster.
Oh my gosh. I don't think Stargate deserves to be there.
Well, it's in there. Sorry. It's just in the dumpster. I mean, what,
what else it's in the.
Dumpster are things that I love in there. Kevin.
Because you like terrible things and you make Jesus cry.
I like John you're my friend. I like you, John.
What does it have to say about you?
I, my statement stands.
Sir. This is going long, far enough,
all last bit. Last bit of spoiler. Uh,
spoiler thoughts for the film? Uh, John, your last big thing.
Uh, go see Cloverfield instead.
.
As long as you don't get motion sickness. All.
Right. I did. And I still own it.
All right. Uh, I just talked about that on the film vault, actually, Kevin,
your last big spoiler thoughts on the film before we give our final ratings?
Well, there was quite some dumb, fun moments for me. I mean,
that's just me though, because I, I can't help,
but smile and laugh at some things, but here's some of the things that I can't,
I always like laugh at every single time. Gail cannot run a torpedo.
He could run a helicopter.
He could tear on massive buildings leaving behind death and destruction,
but he cannot catch up to four people on foot, on the alley in New York city.
I'm gonna be honest. Honestly,
I have seen beep.
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Was funny. So funny.
Kevin, where do you write this stuff at? Man?
this is why I'm not invi.
This is why I'm not invited to Southern Baptist or Methodist church and comedy
stand ups.
Oh my gosh.
All right.
You always hear an audience growing about everything I made other no make chick
jokes, make Chick-fil-A jokes. Like everybody else,
everybody makes Chick-fil-A jokes. Keep those gum. I was like, no.
Chick-fil-A is a joke. All right. So I came back.
Oh, thank you. .
All right. Last thoughts before UFR rating, uh, uh,
from, uh, Nathan,
what is your last spoiled filled thought? Uh,
there's uh, there's so many to, uh, to pick from. I Willem admit like,
like what, Kevin, there are some moments in this that I, I did enjoy.
I genuinely chuckled at some of the lines, mostly from Sean Reno. Uh,
and Hank's area who I think are the only people who give anything close to
decent performances, the scene where famously,
where animal miraculously doesn't get squished because he's right between
God's OUS toes. That, that was pretty funny. I have to say yeah,
it was a nice fake out, you know, it that, so that scene worked for me,
but yeah, it, this movie thinks it's better than it really is.
I, I just had a thought while you were saying, or when, uh,
Dallas is asking you for your spoiler filled last thoughts. And I,
it occurred to me.
You can't spoil this movie anymore than Roland Aric already did.
It's bad. It's bad. So here, here are my, my last things,
I wanna say one,
can we point at the fact that my dude's camera was never on at all,
in any of the scenes where he was holding a camera at all?
You mean you never have your camera on, you know,
on when you're at the church at, uh, the healing place,
you never have your camera on you turn it off. Why would you keep it on.
While you're filming?
.
Do we wanna talk about how a professional cameraman runs outside to
record the giant lizard and he struggles with it the whole time and then
realizes that the last possible second. Oh, right. Poke close. .
Can. Okay. Can we also talk about at the end, when they steal the taxi to run,
to drive away from Godzilla after homeboy got his camera smashed,
he suddenly has a video camera in the back of the taxi.
So he stole that from the, um, the studio they were in.
That's where that camera came from. The camera smashed they're in the studio.
He takes the cam the studio camera with them.
Yes, he did. He took, he took it. He took that camera with him. Cause I.
I, I had to think back through that moment too.
I had the same thought as you John, but I had to think back it's like, oh no,
he took that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I would too. If I was in the newsroom and the whole place going down, it's like,
I'm taking some cameras with me. Sorry. .
All. Yep. And I'll say this,
there were a couple funny scenes in this that I really enjoyed.
There are several small humorous and this part of the problem is the tone was
everywhere. But when he gets to the floor with the, and the, and all the,
the Velo rap tour, Godzillas looked at Adam and like, they're almost like,
oh, hello. And they're like dropping the popcorn and he goes wrong floor.
I laughed at that way too hard than I should have.
I still never eat eating.
Popcorn because apparently popcorn smells like fish they'll eat anything that
smells like fish, dude. Anything, everybody will eat popcorn.
I don't care what it, who it is. well, this, this is true. This is true.
You.
Know, obviously you never went fishing because fish smell will travel miles.
Okay, bro.
I will say, I will say though,
that that elevator scene that you're talking about Dallas gave me very strong
Scrooged feels.
Yes, yes it does. Yeah. I can say that.
When we were watching it last night, I'm like, this feels like Scrooged.
Like I could see bill Murray making that exact same statement.
Yeah. I, I also, I wanna bring this up real quick.
I mentioned there were some lines that I really liked because I think this has
to be brought up because I know how much you guys love guns on this show.
Cuz I listened to your podcast. no.
But I actually, I don't love guns.
I kinda like the,
the exchange between Sean Reno and Matthew Broderick where he asked
them, how did you get this stuff into the country? Because they have this,
you know, a small arsenal there and Sean Reno says,
this is in America. You can buy anything. that's true.
Oh my goodness. All right guys. Well, let's bring his home. Um, Nathan,
what is your file rating of top shelf? Well, hold on, we gotta explain that.
Don't.
We? You want me to do that for you, please? Please do.
So you can gather your thoughts. Please do. Uh,
all right here on the bottom shelf podcast,
we have a rating system that consists of top shelf.
This is what you would rate a movie. If this movie was in fact a good movie,
people should probably watch this and you have no idea why it has a bad
reputation or was critiqued poorly middle shelf,
which is the comments about this movie are valid.
But for some reason it does something for me.
I find it mildly enjoyable,
but I can understand why other people wouldn't bottom shelf is this is a bad
movie. I don't recommend this to anybody.
Somebody might find some enjoyment with it, but chances are,
I'm not friends with them. and then you have the dumpster fire,
which is this movie should be purged from reality entirely.
It has no beneficial merits to it and needs to be singularly
excluded from existence.
We've never had a film end up in that, in that pile at all lies.
What? No. Did they stop existing after they go there? So we no movies. We.
Have no anything that goes there. All right. So Nathan gods, 1998,
understand that your rating, this may affect monster island, film vault forever.
What is your final rating? well,
the funny thing is my rating might do some
contingence of the Godzilla fan might be considered a bit of a hot take.
Oh yeah. First off. I wanna say cartoon series, top shelf fight me.
if you remove the name Godzilla from it, maybe middle shelf.
You think of it as like beast from 20,000 fathoms to bed,
nineties Ram make a beat for 20,000 fats. Eh,
maybe middle shelf is this movie unwatchable and should be burned.
Actually. I don't think it should.
There are those in the family who would say yes,
it must be burned because it ruined the franchise and all of that sort of stuff.
But without this movie,
we wouldn't have gotten a lot of what came after this with the Toho films.
Maybe even the monsters very possible.
We may have not gotten the monster verse if not for this.
And does it have loads of issues with being called a God Zon?
The fanboy objections that I mentioned? Oh, heck yes it does.
But as I've stated,
the biggest sins that it has are that it's a bad nineties blockbuster,
but like I said, it's not unwatchable bottom shelf. Okay.
Bottom shelf from Nathan, Mr. Burnham,
the other Godzilla enthusiast, the,
the other expert of Godzilla in the room because Nathan,
I don't know if you know this. Mr. Burnham is,
is a massive Godzilla fan himself. I know I had him on the show.
I had him on the that's right? You did. So Nathan, um, not Nathan, Kevin,
uh, .
Wrong. White guy.
oh, what is your father? Who's whiter.
You can cut that too. Oh.
I can guarantee you I'm right there with John. I got the blood test. 100% white.
It was not even, even that 3% was like somewhere and.
All of this is getting cut out now, too, dude.
And this is, this is, this is average normal talk. Why?
Dude? I have talked with gross. Who I have talked to go. Who?
Think that Kevin is pale. I'm just saying let's let's get back to topic.
Let's get back topic, Kevin. Okay. What is your follow rating?
Uh, well, as in the words of puff, daddy, come with me.
I'm gonna take you with me. I'm here to stay forever ever and ever in day.
That's never come with me. Uhhuh. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Is painful nineties come with me.
So that translate to what?
Oh, absolutely nothing. Um, we're gonna put this in the middle shelf for me.
What.
It's gonna be? What what'd you say? What?
I put it in the middle. You almost got a spit take from me from.
This. What?
The middle she from I been sitting here expecting dumpster fire the
entire time. And sky is raining.
The movie higher than me. What? The Frick.
.
So Kevin, you said middle stuff. Um.
I'm I'm a sucker for bad movies, but it has to be,
I was entertained by how bad this was. Okay.
I was entertained by laughing my butt off at certain
scenes. And even sometimes arguing, yelling at the screens,
like what's wrong with you? And yeah. It's like, but it's so dumb.
It's I I'm just laughing at myself for how, I mean.
With riff tracks for me, this might be metal. She, but what you think where.
Those guys? I don't, I don't, I don't know who R tracks is. Anyhow. Um, I,
yeah, for me, like I said, it has to entertain it entertain me.
It was it's. I mean, this would be like a lower middle shelf.
If there was one, you know, middle shelf is middle shelf, whatever that's way,
but it'll been the very low end of the middle shelf, but I,
I can't throw us in the dumpster because I don't know.
There's just reasons how I can never and bottom shelf,
I would not be mad or get upset at anybody. He puts in the bottom shelf.
It's you know, it's whatever. I, I guess I always take out the name Godzilla,
even though it has Godzilla clear across it and it says it and I can't,
they don't understand the, between Gojira and Godzilla.
I just go J are you idiot?
I'm not an idiot.
No, I'm not. Oh, my parents can.
Call me. You watch it. I know.
Angry Irishman. I got it.
Uh, but yeah. Yeah. I just,
I always just ate out the name Godzilla and I just look at it's just at the
beast from 20,000 bathrooms updated and this is what we get and this is what I
got. So yeah.
Fair, fair. Funny thing.
There is actually a fan edit of this where they say Zillow instead of Godzilla
the whole time.
That's cool. Yeah, I like that.
All right, John mm-hmm what is your final writing?
Oh, dumpster fire.
Oh, wow. just throw it in there.
Bro. I, I it's, like I said, I, I telecasted it,
when I was talking about my points on this movie, 10 minutes of this movie,
I was literally, and you can, we,
we have a private chat that we talk about this show on that I was kind of live
streaming or another live streaming live tweeting. Yes, I was.
I was live tweeting on and the literally
10 minutes in, I hate this movie so much, so, so much.
I hate this movie. I,
I hate how phoned in all the actors were. I hate the,
the male sexism that every woman's in love with Matthew
Brodrick.
I hate.
I hate the,
I hate the sh the scenes of the helicopter chase that take place
between cardboard boxes, with windows painted on them.
I hate the bad green screening effects that are all over this movie.
I hate the sound design.
I hate that they don't have Godzilla's actual roar in this movement. No.
That is the roar. That is the roar.
I hate that.
I hate roar.
That I hate that Godzilla is an I irradiated
iguana.
I hate the fact that they're trying to pitch a 1950s concept of radiation
to a Postle science world. Um.
John quick question,
would a radiated dinosaur be better because that's the Japanese Godzilla.
I don't care. That's stupid too. again, I'm just putting this out there.
My first Godzilla was the Monarch Godzilla, which was.
He's a dinosaur.
He's always been here.
He's always been here since the beginning to me that they made,
they made God's with the way they took the narrative in the modern
art Chronicles or the monster verse as you call it, um, the,
what they did by putting changing a minor tweak in the mytho
saying they just always were here. Boom.
It made the gone the Godzilla Pantheon, elder gods.
Welcome to the welcome to the, uh, love crafty and fiction. I.
Why you're.
Desperately. You're that way. I see why you're coming that direction now.
So, you know, but getting back to this movie though,
there was nothing I liked about it. The, the special effects were terrible.
The production design felt sloppy.
I feel like they spent more money on promoting this movie than they
did. They did making a good movie. They.
Did. They.
It was all.
Did you like the animatronics?
Did you like the animat gonna show the animatronic parts? Cause I, I,
you didn't like the animatronics and that this choice.
Uh, John.
I'm asking, I'm asking John that John, did you like the animatronics on the.
Monster? Didn't like anything about this movie. Okay.
You didn't like anything?
No. Okay.
Did you like for Las pastor? No. You sure love that?
Why'd you put the bottom shelf.
Because some blonde,
some redhead lady made a argument that I felt bad about myself and
now.
OK, John. OK. Somebody call queer somebody call queer.
I will make my attempt to, to pull that right now, John,
the reason why not only was it the time period that, you know,
radioactive dinosaur for the original Godzilla,
but it's also because it was a social commentary because the original film was
meant to be a response to PO you know,
to the war and the nuclear bombings of HHI Nagasaki.
So Godzilla was intended to be an basically the bomb made flesh.
So it was this very cathartic experience for the Japanese people in the mid
fifties, less than a decade after the war. That's why they did it. Right.
I, and, and I'm, I'm aware, I'm.
Aware and it's lost here. That's the problem. They just kept it because like,
oh, that's a story element. Right. But they lose the commentary.
I, the thing about it is though, if they were gonna reboot it, reboot it,
they don't have to do that. Uh, because you're,
you're sailing an antiquated fiction to, I mean, we could, we could say, oh,
we're gonna take a balloon right up to the,
up to the moon because they used to do that back in 1920 cinema.
But you try to do that nowadays. And people would be like, this is no.
And so that's where I'm at with it. But yeah, there was nothing about.
Like, wait,
you're telling me you can't take a balloon right up in the space since when.
Okay. Jules ver that's.
Two, Hey, two words, treasure planet. I love treasure planets.
I love treasure planet. Yeah.
Treasure plant sucks.
I saw that movie after my wisdom teeth were pulled out. So.
Oh, then you were, again, you only enjoy movies when you are high.
I understand this. All right.
So lemme give you my fire rating and my file rating is this, um.
It's we connections. Let's skip this part.
Taking everything in action. Yes. The,
there are some humorous moments here and there.
There were some terrible moments here and there.
The animation is atrocious.
Like the green screen PlayStation one graphics were better than what we saw in
this. Um, keep in mind.
This is five years after Jurassic park and Jurassic park has aged very well.
Exactly. This is part of my problem that taking all this in I'm with Kevin,
it's the middle shelf. I'm I, I laughed at this film. I enjoy the film.
It's not a good film, but it's good enough for me to be entertained,
especially when I'm talking about it and laughing about it,
making jokes about it, enable to shut off my brain. Enjoy it. Not as Godzilla,
but as Ferris Buler in the big lizard. Kevin,
you disappointed me and John made me happy.
I was waiting for dumpster fire the whole time. Wait.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Is this means in the middle shelf?
I don't know it. So how is the way, how does the way, what,
how does this average out? We got two middle shelves,
a bottom shelf and a dumpster fire. Yeah.
I don't know how that breaks down major.
It's think of it. Less of percentiles and more two voting.
Majority rules. Wow. Yeah. Just whoa. So ladies,
this.
Was something I was not expecting at all.
no, I wasn't either. So from us here at the bottom shelf, ladies, Jim,
we rate God's 1998, Ferris Buer in the big lizard,
a middle shelf production, very contested metal shelf.
All right. With that being said, ladies, Jim,
we are now going on to our next portion of the show, which is called what?
Mr. Are you?
This is a weak connection.
All right, ladies, Jim, welcome to the weak connection portion of the show,
where we try to find some redemptive value.
Even if we dumped your fire to film out of the films that we watch.
So who here at the table has a weak connection. Yes.
Mr. Nate,
there is a joke said by mayor Eber to the worst Cisco and ebirds
parody ever. Arguably, anyway, that it, I,
it was one, another, one of the jokes that made me chuckle a little bit,
but it's a good reminder of something that is a very important in Christian
theology was when Dr.
TEUs explains that Zillow can reproduce asexually. He says, what is this?
The Virgin lizard ,
which goes back to the Virgin Mary and the Virgin birth of Christ.
I, I just heard a sermon about this this morning, about how important that is,
how key that is to the, you know, to the Christian faith.
Because if you remove that, the work of Christ means nothing.
He has to have come from the Virgin birth so that he does not have a sinful
nature. And without, because of that,
he is the perfect sacrifice to redeem all of mankind.
Booya it's true. It's a true story.
I don't recommend crucifying Zilla. That's not gonna save anybody. No,
except although John might be happy.
so yeah, the whole thing about the, of birth, that really is important.
I remember there was, there was some conversation about whether or not the, the,
the Hebrew translated as really as Virgin. Um,
just try to say hand maiden, but when you take a look at it, like the,
the scope it out, you look at the, uh, I think it's the Tugen, which is a,
a Greek translation of the original Hebrew,
but it was done by Jewish scholars, by Jews, themselves,
and for them to include the word Virgin,
understanding what the word Virgin means in its context.
Then even though you could translate the Hare word into handmaid,
it's there because they understood as Virgin.
It must have meant Virgin in the context of it. And, uh,
I remember years ago there was a, I'm not gonna say the name,
cause I don't like blasting popular preachers,
but there was a popular preacher back in the early two thousands who put
out a video and he says, would it really be a big ordeal?
If we discover the Virgin,
Mary wasn't really a Virgin when she had Jesus to which I say, yes,
yes, it would. Because that's scriptural. That is,
that is part of what the scriptures teach.
And for us to dismantle the scriptures in such a manner is dishonoring to
God. But also it, it, it creates a slippery slope of going nothing here is real.
Right. The other thing that it does is that it chips away at
the idea that this, that Jesus was truly the son of God,
right? If there was any possibility that ver that Mary was not a Virgin,
that means Jesus.
Even if it's just a small possibility means that Jesus could have been purely
human and fathered by an actual person. Exactly.
And it also undermines Mary's character. True story.
Absolutely cool means. So doesn't does he, I know.
Who you're talking about. Can I, can I say that pastor's name.
no.
Okay.
All.
You know what, in all this, I came up with a weak connection. Let's.
Go, Mr. Burn.
It's so weak. Okay. But it's,
it's from Romans 8 37. Okay. I'm reading from the,
I won't continue down to 30 8:00 AM I, I'm not gonna try to add anything though.
In all these things, we are more in OUS through, um, him who loved us,
or I sure that neither death or in life nor angels, no rulers,
nor things present nor things to come nor powers, no height,
no depth nor anything in all creation will be able to separate us from the love
of God in Christ Jesus, our Lord, not even John har used,
bought shelf trash dumpster review because Christ Trium sold
and so does love. And so does this be on the middle shelf?
I I'm so shocked that wow.
John har used right there clenching his face and no I'm I'm.
Although I, I have another one suddenly if you want to hear it, sure.
Okay.
Remember how I said that Toho ripped this movie apart saying they took the God
out of Godzilla. Well, we talked about the Virgin birth.
There are people who treat Jesus. Like he's just a human being.
So they have removed the godhood from him because mm-hmm ,
you know,
and some people do it because they don't understand how the incarnation cuz it's
one of the wildest concepts in Christian theology.
How can Jesus be fully God and fully man?
So they usually gravitate toward one or the other sometimes remove one,
one of those aspects in order to reconcile it in their minds.
And as I said said, they take the God out of Jesus. So he's just a,
a me mortal Zillow is Godzilla with,
with the divinity removed boom in reality is they, they do do that.
Um, there's a whole group of individuals you said, do do they,
instead of saying, um, Jesus says Yeshu, they will say Yeshu, uh,
because the UAH would recognize him as something different than,
than just an average man. And that really is an active thing.
Like people really are trying to erase the divinity of Christ. We have,
there are certain group cults that are out there that do the same thing. Uh,
and it's, it's a terrible thing. So, um,
my wee connection is, um, it, it it's from,
I was listening to, um, the portion where, um,
what was his name? Philippe, Philipp I was talking.
And he was saying that his whole mission there really is to, um,
basically correct the wrongs of his, of his people, of the past,
that he understands that what is happening here with Godzilla is the,
um, a direct re uh,
a direct result of the sins of his forefathers, basically of what his people,
his country to do. Yeah. His country. And he owned that. And he's trying to,
to correct that. And, um, you see this in the scriptures,
the Ezekiel he's repenting to the Lord on behalf of his country.
And he's repenting saying now he wasn't the one who did all the wrong stuff.
He wasn't the one that did all the sinning, but he owned it himself. He says,
Lord, forgive me for the sins of my people, forgive me for these things.
He's taking active role in this. And out of that, he's bringing correction.
He's, he's trying to live a righteous life.
He's doing what we're supposed to do.
And there's so much blame that goes on in life. Well,
we look here in,
in the United States and there's a lot of things that aren't right,
and we try to blame other people. We try to point fingers to other folks.
Sometimes the change, the correct course change takes us going. Look, Lord,
forgive me for the fault of my people. And then moving forward,
trying to do the right thing. That's not now, this is not the same thing as,
as taking on, you know, white guilt or taking on, you know,
all these other things, but saying, look, my people did wrong. Now.
I'm gonna be active in making a change forward of doing what I need to do to be
better. I'm a big believer of the long game, as far as making a,
an effective change in culture and society.
And the only way to make a change in societies today are tomorrow is for us to
make the change today to, to quote the great prophet Michael Jackson.
And I'm gonna start with a man in the mirror and.
I telling Hampton change.
His ways.
And that's really what it takes for all of us is if we wanna see a change in our
country, in, in our city, in our communities,
we have to be the change ourselves. And it takes more than just lip service.
It takes more than us, uh,
maybe yelling at people like we've seen some people do over over the years,
but it takes us just being different. If you're tired of being people,
being hateful, be loving. If you're tired of seeing things, being, uh, selfish,
you be generous.
We have to be these changes in order to see the change take place in the long
game. And that is my weak connection. All right. yeah.
Dallas, you pastor Dallas there.
Yeah. No.
Nothing weak about that at all. Whatsoever.
.
Of course we don't serve a week goat. So.
Word unlike this week Godzilla. Right. All right, Nathan,
thank you for being on with us. Um, it was a pleasure.
How can people find you bud? Ha uh, I,
I do a lot of things, so there's a lot of ways to get ahold of me. Uh,
before I get to the podcast stuff, I will also mention I am a,
a writer and an author,
so you can check out my writings and get ahold of me there as a writer on my
author website, which is Nathan JS Mar and.com because yes,
I had to use both of my middle initials to get a domain for
my website because the other ones were already taken.
I'm gonna find that other Nathan March end, and I'm gonna feed him to the baby.
Zillows just to have that domain anyway. So check me out there.
You can also follow me on Twitter as an author, add to Nathan March end seven,
and search for the worlds of Nathan March end on Facebook for the 97
podcasts that I have.
there's obviously the not star island film vault podcast,
seeking entertainment and enlightenment through to Kaatsu,
which takes an academic approach to Kaiju and to Kaatsu films.
So you get to hear about them in their original historical and cultural context
to hopefully enhance your viewing of them and bridge the gap
between modern we'll say foreign audiences and these
classic foreign films. Although currently we're going through America,
I U, which is about America made guide you film,
and you can find that on Twitter and Instagram and on Facebook,
if you want to check up my other podcast, one is he men,
which is about the appreciation of Japanese superheroes and their high flying
and high kicking adventures.
It's all about Japanese tension or transforming hero
television, occasionally movies,
where you've been going through the original common writer from 1971,
primarily I co-host that with travels Alexander and then the other one I
do. Uh, and that's also by the way on the, on Twitter.
And I promoted a lot on the, the film vault stuff, by the way,
the film Vault's also on Patreon. I highly recommend joining.
You can even sponsor stuff to be talked about on the show, if you like. And the,
I would,
I would also recommend that both this and the next podcast I'm going to mention
are part of the Kaiju ramen podcast network.
So you can go to Kaiju ramen media.com to, uh,
listen to the show directly and get a little bit more information by the way
Keiji ramen magazine is amazing. I edit the articles for that.
So definitely check that out out. The other one is the power trip,
a journey through the power Rangers franchise.
So if you're a fan of power Rangers in particular,
I cohost that with Michael Hamilton and we have been going through all 30
years of power Rangers,
one season at a time strap in those episodes are long and an in depth
oh yeah, they are. Yeah, they are quite, uh,
we've had some of our friends Dallas on the, on that one.
We had Chris cook on recently from one cross radio talking about one of my
favorite seasons of power Rangers, power Rangers, RP.
I can't recommend that one enough, by the way. It is fantastic.
If you love Terminator and mad max, that is the power ranger show.
I will never be on that podcast for power Rangers because I hate power.
Rangers. We weren't gonna ask you anyway. .
Thank, thank you. Thank you.
Nathan. I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna tell you the same thing. I tell John,
get a link tree and put all this on one link and call
it done.
.
We just did a whole podcast of you advertising your podcast. I, I have too many.
I have to, to explain the shows. Okay.
Now that's that's, you know, we, we just try to, um, keep it to a certain limit.
So if you just do at least three,
because we'll be here all day with John Harvey with all of his podcasts,
and I know he'll like to advertise, but you know, like I think we all wanna be,
uh, fair with everyone. .
Yeah. Be part of your guys' network. I'm not it's true, John,
where can we find you, bro?
Okay. I DM on playing games with strangers.
I am a voice actor on super Sonic podcast comics. I read books on.
We read allegedly. I sometimes talk music on primitive rhythm machine.
I am a voice actor for gospel guy by Gaslight and I talk games
on casual gamer society with Dave Clements.
True story. Wow. Nice job there.
I also forgot to mention I'm also a voice actor on power Rangers,
the audio drama. Nice. Yeah. I'm one of the bad guys actually.
Mr. Burnham, how can we find you?
Look at the show notes.
you brought March and Don,
he talked too long, so I don't wanna talk anymore. shameless.
Self-promotion is one of my spiritual gifts, sir.
How dare you not get mad at me? Exercising my gifts.
So you go to elevation church then.
.
We're gonna cut all this picture out.
Oh my gosh. So Mr. Burnham, what have you done recently? What are you doing?
Look in the show notes. That's in the show notes. That's there. Dang. He's just,
people are listening. They, they are going well, look at it.
And they're going like Dallas. Oh, that's heaven.
Dallas working people find you find.
Me geek, devotions.com,
where you find all the devotions put on a regular basis that we geek devotions
all of our podcasts, the bottom shelf we read allegedly and the Gundo watch.
And finally,
one last thing I wanna promote before we sign off is while Branson is way out
on the toilet. Um, because of taco bell,
he's also working on scripts in editing, um,
a brand new audio drama that John mentioned called gospel by Gaslight a brand
new audio drama, sting,
punk inspired audio drama that you guys need to check out starring Mr.
Show note himself, Kevin Burnham. So since Kevin's like, I'm promoted, I am,
Kevin's like the show, the star of the dad gum show. So,
but we're very proud of Branson and his, uh, reaching out,
doing the gospel gas light, and uh, would encourage you guys to check that out.
It's a really cool audio drama. I really enjoyed, uh, listening to it. Um,
but that's all I got.
That's a great wait and nice podcast. That's just.
Tell my friend, Nick Hayden ends his podcast every time. That's all I got.