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Hello, Kitties. It's your old pal, John,

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the voice of.

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The crib keeper

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and you're listening to

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the bottom shelf.

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Alright, guys. 2 boxes down. Wait. Did did

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did you guys catch that flash of light?

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Works let's?

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Oh, man.

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What's happening with the wormhole hole? Alright. Everyone

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check.

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We're always wait.

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Bam put... You don't need... Okay. When you

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say hand check, you can put the tentacles

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down a little bit.

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But they don't they don't get as append.

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They're not hands.

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You sit hands. Oh, okay. Okay. Sorry. You

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you ce pod.

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Alright. We're safe from the llama with hats.

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Well, you know what?

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Weird things keep happening, like, for for real.

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In my bedroom. It... I... My bed turned

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into a baked potato. So that's the thing.

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Was at least cooked all way through.

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It was delicious. Warm fluffy. It was and

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fully loaded.

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maybe if we just keep going, s might

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here. Maybe maybe happens. I got a box.

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Let me over the box. Spit it up.

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Why are were you watching this movie? I'm

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very confused. What movie? It's called the Batman.

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Why are we watching this movie? It's not

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the movie you need.

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It's the 1 you deserve. What did I

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do?

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Prepare yourself to discover a world of terrible

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movies.

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See little brass.

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Hello, movie lovers and movie haters. And welcome

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to the bottom shelf a part of the

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Geek Versions podcast at a podcast network of

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Da devoted Geek certified devoted to letting people

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know they are alone their characters. If he'll

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past this moment to this. We love you

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who care about you. There's a plan and

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purpose for your life. And if it... Do

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you doubt it, Bryce can hug you with

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all 8 of his arms for I've got

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them to spare. Those are tentacles,

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not arms. Oh, that's fair.

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Alright, Ladies Jim. Welcome to the bottom shelf.

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We typically review terrible movies, but we're stuck

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in a time warp, and we're not dancing

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through it. We're just kinda of falling. Let's

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do the time warp

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begin.

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Time warp hard. I didn't say the wrong

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thing. He anyways, by the way, ladies.

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So we're watching good movies

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because

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debatable.

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critically critically declared okay movies, but

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So we've had AAA

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fun time so far. We watched a deep

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impact

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recently.

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And did. That was that was a fun

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movie.

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Was it? III recall thinking it was a

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fun movie. No, must.

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I mean, it was only, like, 20 minutes

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ago that we talked about it. Yeah. I

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mean, yeah. Totally.

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then we... Before that we watched lady hawk.

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It was.

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It really was.

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So ladies and gentlemen,

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we have opened up the next box, and

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it is called

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the bad.

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I'm gonna start calling this the wormhole hole

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of John hate because that's where that's what

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really what it's starting to feel like.

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I mean, at least, celeste was lucky enough

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to get zap out of here, but not...

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Okay. So for everybody at home who doesn't

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understand why I am having issues. Like, I

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have been avoiding this batman movie since it

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came out. Like, even before it came out.

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And and Dallas can testify to Like, when

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they announced that Robert Patti was gonna be

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playing

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batman,

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I made a meme with... No. Wait. It

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wasn't... Robert Patti that I made the need

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for. That was for Ban ben A. I

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put not my batman. But he was still

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same concept.

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I was not bats. I was not into

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sparkle bats. III

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do not want a batman that women sw

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for is what it came down to. So

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upset about head Bruce Wayne, dude. That's exactly

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what he is. It's not the... That's

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it's Playboy millionaire Bruce Wayne.

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if but here we are,

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I'm... I, a good sport, and I will

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play the game. So

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I'm so proud of you.

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I lost the game.

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I don't I don't.

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I don't play that game. Why?

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I've been reflecting on college lately lately.

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Right. So want you introduce the crowd to

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the movie. Yes. Introduce them to the thing

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that I've been running from.

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Alright. The batman is the first Dc

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free Dc film of the 20 twenties. It

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is directed and written by a Clover filled

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Lane and Paradox producer Matt Reeves. It stars

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Robert Pat who transformed from a twilight vampire

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into the Sparkle bat himself batman.

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Joining him is the voice of Mary James,

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zoe K, the first cat woman to go

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from a brick,

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To a gritty got landscape.

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Watch over Got as lieutenant James Gordon is

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the voice of Marvel's the watcher,

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Jeffrey Wright. And then the heavily transformed former

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Bulls eye actor colin Farrell as the penguin.

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Alright. I was wondering if you're gonna get

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the the joke about the brick house. Oh,

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yeah. I didn't get it. She was the

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voice of cat woman in

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Batman lego. I wouldn't know.

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I didn't see that 1. It's okay.

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Alright. Read the back of the box. Alright.

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Alright. Back box says this egg killer targets

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Sending the batman on an investigation as evidence

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mounts. He must forge new relationships un the

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culprit and bring justice

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amid

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corruption. I gotta say, modern boxes kinda suck

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with their epic Yeah. I'm like, that is

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Here's the thing. Like, you you you're tapping...

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you're tapping on a hot button for me.

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Movies do less and less to try to

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impress their audiences with how they

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advertise themselves. Mh.

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movie

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posters.

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They all coming out the same now. They

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don't make them, like they use do. They

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used to they used to have, like, outright

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paintings for movie builder. Yeah.

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Like, it was a work of art. The

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last good 1 that I saw You it

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was a... It and it was intentionally a

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throwback, but it was for a horror film

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that came out in the 20 tens called

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the Dr men,

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and it looks like a 19 eighties horror.

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like a 19 eighties horror film

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movie poster. And it it made me wish

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that they still did box art and movie

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posters. Like they used to because they don't.

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not intending this pun, but you can take

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it if you want to, but there used

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to be an art. It's to movie art.

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keep thinking about the

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the original artwork for the Star Wars poster.

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like, it... It's stuff that looks like people

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spent time on and... Even bad movies like

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Was semester bath. I didn't enjoy it. It

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won't haven't seen it in the long time.

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Coming soon to an episode near you.

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I got some trivia for this being as

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we're coming up on my segment here.

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Speaking of colin farrell as the penguin.

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He went to Starbucks to try out his

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prosthetics

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and makeup for the penguin. The... When he

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and nobody recognized him, and he got a

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lot of stares from people for because he

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looked a bit weird. Yeah. Marty he recognized

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him in the movie.

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I... You know? I I guess. I knew

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I I I've seen this before. But when

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I when I first saw it, I knew

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it was colin Farrell. Right. Right? And I

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Jill didn't recognize him. He's... He's literally legitimately

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a talented actor. And when you add in

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the prosthetics, like, it's like completely different.

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Apparently, this little bit o tribute was a

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big thing because I did this is the

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first time I've literally sparked a conversation with

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tribute. Jesus.

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Robert Patti,

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when he was auditioning for the role, he

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actually took a selfie in the bat suit

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as a moment just in case it didn't

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I respect that. This is actually the first

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bat first version of Batman to address the

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black eye makeup underneath the cow directly.

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Bruce took his mask off.

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Matt Reeves stated that he loved the idea

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of... Taking off the mask and underneath, there

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sweating and tripping down of the makeup and

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whatnot.

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Sorta of looking like a, like, you know,

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that's scoop. Yeah.

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the riddle was partially inspired by the infamous

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Zodiac killer,

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for... Which was a

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unidentified serial killer, who operated in Northern California

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in the sixties,

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who also used Cipher in his infamous letters

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to the police,

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which made Matt Reeves call him a real

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life riddle.

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video saying, this is the riddle speaking,

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and the Zodiac began his letter saying this

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is the Zodiac speaking.

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The Zodiac

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murdered his victims. Well, wearing a leather suit

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and a mask and classes over his mask

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just like the riddle wears in this 1.

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And then finally, Matt Reeves stated that call

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and farrell L's version of the penguin takes

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inspiration from the character F Cor own

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from the Godfather,

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in relation to the about that both Barrels

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characters are under

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underestimated by others but have huge potential. So

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that's something that check out for me to

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watch for when I watch this movie. Yeah.

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Definitely I am beat. That I am being

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forced to watch to be free from this

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wormhole.

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But that seems like a good segue to

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get into our expectations. Yeah. Let's do it.

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Indeed. And wants to start.

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Bam.

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Alright. And expectations. Like I said, I actually

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saw this in theaters when it came out.

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So I've seen it before.

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I remember enjoying it. I remember there's a

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lot about it that I that I had

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fun with. So

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I'm expecting to be entertained.

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You know, I'd I enjoy superhero movies.

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And from what I remember, I liked the

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angle this 1 took on Batman.

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So I'm I'm looking forward to it.

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Dallas.

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I I'm looking forward to this. As a

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whole. I... I'm a Batman fan.

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And

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I I remember going to the theater and

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watching this and thoroughly

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enjoying it. So I'm looking forward to watching

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it again.

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I can tell you I am not looking

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forward to this.

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I have been at actively

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avoiding this movie, but I circumstances

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have

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worked against me, which is fine. I can

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play.

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But I am a good sport, and I'll

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sit through it, and I will give it

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a fair shot because that's what this... That's

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what this show is about

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is,

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taking movies that we otherwise wouldn't watch and

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giving it a fair shot or maybe we

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would. But it's the fair shot that's important

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is is what I'm trying to say, my

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my hope, John for you going into this

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today. Is this

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at speaking of giving a fair shot that

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you give us fair shot,

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as you did with the

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Battlefield Earth? Yes.

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Because over the years, you know, have having

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multiple conversations about this movie in your absolute

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stain of the idea of this film. Oh,

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100 percent. IIIII

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will be the first person who will openly

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admit that I am being... I am 100

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percent unreasonable when it comes to this movie.

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Right. So I'm hoping that... That the idea

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of it doesn't

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override the experience of watching it for you.

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You know me, dude. I'll, III can turn

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off... I can turn off my biases to

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watch a movie. That's how I ended up

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enjoying...

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Battlefield Earth,

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and some other movies that everybody wondered what

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movie I was watching.

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But you know, I can only speak from

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where I'm at with it. So...

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Yep.

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Anybody else got anything else they wanna say

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before you go into the movie theater? You

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please.

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Anybody?

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I'm excited, and I need popcorn, and I

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need taco.

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And

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taco machines. Okay. You guys saw that picture

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I sent. Yeah? Yes.

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Alright. Do you still have it? We should

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probably post that to something years

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We'll try to find it post up to

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Instagram later.

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The dream is reality everybody.

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I don't suppose we got any community feedback

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on this 1. Did we? Nope. Nope. We

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did not get anything on back on this

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1. Whoo

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3 cheers for organization. Alright. Let's go ahead

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and head into the

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Theater. There we go.

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Dear listeners.

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This is your opportunity to escape. Our crew

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has just entered into the media projection chamber.

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What horrors and matters that their consume unknown?

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Their mental state upon their attorneys is,

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unknown. You have been warned.

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I'm confused.

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I thought we were supposed to be watching

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the batman. This movie called Vengeance.

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Oh, Branson.

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Branson, you're the Branson.

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Hey, somebody's gotta be. Might as well be

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me. True story.

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Alright. Gentlemen. Well, we just came out of

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the theater. We watched

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a film

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together. Yes I I feel like we just

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watched 17 films together.

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Well, let's both.

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Both in length and number of different movies

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I could pop off that I literally feel

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like I just watched.

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It's fair. What, was let's talk about. Was

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was going into our spoiler free

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thoughts first.

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I'm gonna kick it off by saying the

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talk for you this was freaking beautiful.

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There was a lot of really good shots

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in this movie.

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They...

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They're go? I'm not I'm not I'm not

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gonna state

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when this was in the movie because this

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is not the spoiler part. Mh.

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And this isn't a spoiler for me to

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describe this 1 camera shot. Mh. But there

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is at 1 point in this movie,

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where it's an overhead shot in a completely

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dark and flooded arena. Mh.

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Where we see batman

401
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holding up a flare, leading a bunch of

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people to safety.

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I love that shot. So That shot

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for real dude, like, for real real. Mh.

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Like, when I saw that shot, I I

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said to myself, that is a modern version

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That is... Like, if you were to paint

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that, that could be a modern... Oh take

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on the extras, on on the exodus. Oh,

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yeah.

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Like, literally bat batman

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plays such is such a mosaic character

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in that shot. Mh. I'm just like, oh,

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0, man. I love it shut so much.

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I I'd like at Less

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when we saw that originally I said, I

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need this picture as a background somewhere because

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it's such a beautiful

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100 percent. Like, that would that would make,

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like, the best

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computer wallpaper. Oh my gosh. It's it's it's...

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And part of it is because the whole

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film has us noir fill to it, and

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and they... I really really want

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a black and white version of this just

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to see how it play out.

427
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Because I think it'll work.

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Yeah. They do such a great job of

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playing with lights and shadows.

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Throughout the entirety of the film.

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And and

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they play well with, like, the kind of

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lighting they do. That, yes It's a dark

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film

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but it it doesn't fill doctor. Does that

436
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make sense? It's like... Mh. What was that

437
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film we watched

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last couple years ago that was... We were

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all like, gosh. It was so dark. We

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couldn't see a tag on things about the

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entirety of the thing. I think it was

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a, a Cooper film or something like that.

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It was a space filled that we watched.

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With with Frank's tomato. Oh, that was Dark

445
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star. Dark dark dark dark stars is not

446
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a dark movie. That wasn't but that wasn't

447
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the 1. But visually, it was dark. Like,

448
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I've had a hard time seeing it. Yeah.

449
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Terms. But what Saying... What I'm saying visually

450
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at what the dark stars is not a

451
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dim movie visually.

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I think I remember what you

453
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I can't remember what movie it was. Right.

454
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There were there's there were been a few

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movies. There was...

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I wanna say the first Le had a

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couple moments where it was, like, that.

458
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There were a few scenes in Gui.

459
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Guy.

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Guy was 1 that kept coming out. That's

461
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that's the 1. Yeah. Yeah. The first guy.

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The second 1 we're called during the daytime,

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and you could see the... You could see

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the

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Zipper.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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We talked about that because that's that's 1

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of the reasons the monsters actually looked decent

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in the first movie because it was too

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dark for you to see how bad the

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costumes were, but it actually helped.

472
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Right. Mh. But, yeah, with with this movie,

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the focus is more on the lighting.

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And it really doesn't matter what the color...

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I mean, the color...

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Makes... Color 100 percent. Mh. Yeah. But even

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if you but even if you remove the

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color, I think still just pure as a

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pure value,

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thing. It would be it would be enjoyable.

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Oh, you talking about giving it the the

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Zack snyder treatment and putting it in black

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and white? Yeah. Going. This this movie does

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play a lot like a film Noir movie.

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Mh.

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1 of my biggest grip having seen it

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now. Is that this movie didn't need to

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be a batman move to work. Oh, my

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gosh. Yes. Yes. Yes. I wrote that down.

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I wrote that down. There was... The entire

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time I was watching this movie,

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I did not feel like I was... It

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needed to be a batman movie. In fact,

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I felt like I would have enjoyed it

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more

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up until a certain point, I I need

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to... Caveat this. I can't talk I can't

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finish this thought in this section. But up

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until a certain point, I feel like I

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would have liked this movie more if it

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wasn't a bat. Movie. Like, if they would

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have made this purely a

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Jim Gordon movie,

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and I would have been 100 percent on

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board with us. I don't I don't think

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batman was necessary for this movie. Right. Or

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take Batman's... Character and instead of making him

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a vast vigilant, just make him a guy

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who wants to drive around and beat up

510
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criminals like leave Bruce Wayne

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in his

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motorcycle outfit that he was in least the

513
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time. Just leave him in that, take away

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the need to dress up like a bat.

515
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And let him do the exact same thing.

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Let him go and beat up criminals, let

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him, you know, make him a private eye.

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Right. That

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Jim Gordon works with, and I think you

520
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would have an excellent film door movie.

521
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It there were elements in that that it

522
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almost felt like they had to remind us

523
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from time to time. By the way, this

524
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is a batman movie.

525
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You know what movie? You know you know

526
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what what superhero

527
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movie this felt like, And I'm gonna say

528
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this, and I'm gonna watch both of you

529
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go. Yes.

530
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This felt like the movie version of the

531
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Netflix version of Dared devil.

532
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Yes. I can see that definitely. Yes.

533
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Absolutely. Yeah. I I could I you could

534
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remove Batman and insert Dared neville, and this

535
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would work just... As well. Remove remove the

536
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villain and re remove a Falcon and put

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in king pin. U. Mh. Yeah. This But

538
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because it's a very street level Yeah. Type

539
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story. I think it's 1 the reasons why

540
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I love this. And and, again, we're not

541
00:20:58,993 --> 00:21:00,604
getting the spores with this, but

542
00:21:00,992 --> 00:21:01,492
this

543
00:21:01,867 --> 00:21:02,367
movie

544
00:21:02,980 --> 00:21:04,570
encapsulated a lot of what I've been looking

545
00:21:04,570 --> 00:21:05,842
for in a Batman story.

546
00:21:06,796 --> 00:21:08,625
Mh. We... You go back and you look

547
00:21:08,625 --> 00:21:11,367
at all the Batman movies we've hat from

548
00:21:11,663 --> 00:21:13,277
Adam West to

549
00:21:14,289 --> 00:21:15,642
to all the ones from the nineties of

550
00:21:15,642 --> 00:21:17,711
2 thousands. Seems like 2 thousands. There was

551
00:21:17,711 --> 00:21:19,957
a You know, they're that they they marketed

552
00:21:19,957 --> 00:21:21,630
as this, like, gritty realism,

553
00:21:22,267 --> 00:21:24,179
but even still there was a level that

554
00:21:24,179 --> 00:21:26,968
wasn't there. This right here grounded things, but

555
00:21:26,968 --> 00:21:30,664
it it focused just more on the detective

556
00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:34,082
side of who Batman is. Yeah. And

557
00:21:34,934 --> 00:21:37,653
again, why... The reason I love comics is

558
00:21:37,653 --> 00:21:40,365
you have story... Different forms of storytelling,

559
00:21:40,923 --> 00:21:42,061
and the

560
00:21:42,439 --> 00:21:45,310
the characters are just the the vehicle for

561
00:21:45,310 --> 00:21:46,666
those storytelling types.

562
00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:49,075
And so the fact that this could be

563
00:21:49,075 --> 00:21:50,771
a a movie without Batman

564
00:21:51,149 --> 00:21:52,745
is awesome to me, But although love the

565
00:21:52,745 --> 00:21:54,580
fact that Batman is the the...

566
00:21:55,633 --> 00:21:58,106
The vehicle for this story itself. And I

567
00:21:58,106 --> 00:21:59,244
have a couple of things

568
00:21:59,702 --> 00:22:02,175
to speak to directly about that about why?

569
00:22:02,749 --> 00:22:04,428
Things I think they could have done differently

570
00:22:04,428 --> 00:22:07,784
to make Batman more of a necessary character.

571
00:22:08,024 --> 00:22:09,542
Mh. To where it wouldn't work just as

572
00:22:09,542 --> 00:22:11,700
a generic P, Film Noir movie.

573
00:22:12,353 --> 00:22:13,709
I gotta get the spoilers to talk about

574
00:22:13,709 --> 00:22:15,725
that. I. I get that. So

575
00:22:17,059 --> 00:22:18,894
I'll say... I wanna say speaks to the

576
00:22:18,894 --> 00:22:21,366
cost also. This. The cost of this film

577
00:22:21,366 --> 00:22:21,866
was

578
00:22:22,179 --> 00:22:24,726
in my opinion fantastic. You know, we we

579
00:22:24,726 --> 00:22:25,602
talked about how

580
00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:27,353
I mentioned interested ago. This, like, this feels

581
00:22:27,353 --> 00:22:29,184
very grounded, far more grounded and than I

582
00:22:29,184 --> 00:22:31,984
think than the the Nolan movies were. But

583
00:22:31,984 --> 00:22:33,814
then they were also just... It was amazing

584
00:22:33,814 --> 00:22:35,325
what they did. We talked earlier in the

585
00:22:35,325 --> 00:22:36,598
in the pre in the opening to show

586
00:22:36,598 --> 00:22:37,075
about Colin.

587
00:22:37,646 --> 00:22:40,267
And how he was completely different.

588
00:22:40,903 --> 00:22:43,126
Like, that it didn't make sense for him

589
00:22:43,126 --> 00:22:43,944
to look

590
00:22:44,318 --> 00:22:46,541
so not like him and it worked well.

591
00:22:46,954 --> 00:22:48,412
Like, it didn't look like it was a

592
00:22:48,471 --> 00:22:50,386
a prospect it was wearing. It was just

593
00:22:50,386 --> 00:22:53,361
a different person together. And cat Woman

594
00:22:53,739 --> 00:22:56,228
seemed the least cat woman. Of all the

595
00:22:56,228 --> 00:22:56,627
capital. No.

596
00:22:57,824 --> 00:22:59,180
Speaking of Ke one's costume. I was telling

597
00:22:59,260 --> 00:23:00,935
Celeste. Like, I appreciate the fact that her

598
00:23:00,935 --> 00:23:01,733
costume is,

599
00:23:03,024 --> 00:23:05,497
She's is obviously very attractive, very sexy looking,

600
00:23:05,736 --> 00:23:07,889
but she's not s looking. She's just very

601
00:23:07,889 --> 00:23:10,362
su. And Right right. I appreciate that. They

602
00:23:10,362 --> 00:23:13,087
they kept... It's a Pg 13 film. Again,

603
00:23:13,246 --> 00:23:14,915
some people have issues with the fact that,

604
00:23:15,074 --> 00:23:16,664
you know, why did they go for r?

605
00:23:16,903 --> 00:23:19,287
They didn't have to? They didn't to. You

606
00:23:19,287 --> 00:23:19,367
know,

607
00:23:20,894 --> 00:23:23,449
Batman is a is kind of a youth

608
00:23:23,449 --> 00:23:25,764
based property. You know, it's dark, but, I

609
00:23:25,764 --> 00:23:27,520
mean, it's just like, you're gonna cut out

610
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,356
the majority of your audience if you go

611
00:23:29,356 --> 00:23:31,364
for a hard are Right. Yeah.

612
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,909
Exactly. And so they they kinda kept that

613
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:36,296
bounce throughout the entire film. I mean, it's

614
00:23:36,296 --> 00:23:38,615
a it's a dark. It's a violent film,

615
00:23:38,932 --> 00:23:41,233
but never crossed the the the Pg 13

616
00:23:41,233 --> 00:23:44,646
rating. No. And that included the characters that

617
00:23:44,646 --> 00:23:45,043
they had.

618
00:23:45,995 --> 00:23:46,049
It's

619
00:23:47,121 --> 00:23:50,059
Cat Woman has always been the the sale

620
00:23:50,059 --> 00:23:52,758
always been has has been portrayed for decades

621
00:23:52,758 --> 00:23:54,846
as the eleventh interest for batman.

622
00:23:55,473 --> 00:23:57,065
And but the way they did it, they

623
00:23:57,065 --> 00:23:58,576
didn't do it in a way that I'm

624
00:23:58,576 --> 00:24:00,407
just like, oh, you know? They weren't trying

625
00:24:00,407 --> 00:24:02,396
to be tit. Yeah. Exactly.

626
00:24:02,888 --> 00:24:04,479
And so I appreciate that they kept that

627
00:24:04,479 --> 00:24:04,956
balance there.

628
00:24:06,308 --> 00:24:08,853
The cost though. Sorry. What person? I was

629
00:24:08,853 --> 00:24:10,284
actually gonna talk about the cost. Oh.

630
00:24:11,894 --> 00:24:12,054
For.

631
00:24:14,051 --> 00:24:15,910
Oh, I was just gonna say the

632
00:24:16,289 --> 00:24:18,367
the her her outfit is 1 of the

633
00:24:18,367 --> 00:24:20,538
things that I felt like was a... Oh,

634
00:24:20,697 --> 00:24:22,130
yeah. By the way, this is a batman.

635
00:24:22,607 --> 00:24:24,836
Because she spends most of her time with

636
00:24:24,836 --> 00:24:27,303
her mask off. It's just her and her

637
00:24:27,303 --> 00:24:29,792
cat suit. Yeah. And then every once in

638
00:24:29,792 --> 00:24:32,189
a while, she puts on the mask, and

639
00:24:32,189 --> 00:24:34,425
it's just this ski ask, but with the

640
00:24:34,425 --> 00:24:34,745
little...

641
00:24:35,398 --> 00:24:36,914
Sieve that stick out to make look like

642
00:24:36,914 --> 00:24:40,264
cat. Mh. And it it almost felt like

643
00:24:40,264 --> 00:24:43,375
a it almost felt like a nod or

644
00:24:43,375 --> 00:24:44,810
so than it cost you.

645
00:24:45,464 --> 00:24:45,705
Like

646
00:24:46,345 --> 00:24:47,625
like, you know, when you watch a movie,

647
00:24:47,785 --> 00:24:49,705
you have a special cameo by somebody that's

648
00:24:49,705 --> 00:24:51,625
a nod to something else. Mh.

649
00:24:52,105 --> 00:24:53,964
It felt like that. It felt like

650
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,070
Like, the movie trivia was, oh, yeah. This

651
00:24:57,070 --> 00:24:59,065
character was in spot, you know, if the

652
00:24:59,065 --> 00:25:00,341
the writer of the movie said well, I

653
00:25:00,341 --> 00:25:01,856
was inspired by this character by all the

654
00:25:01,856 --> 00:25:03,611
batman comics are red where Cat woman would

655
00:25:03,611 --> 00:25:05,623
show up. And so as a nod to

656
00:25:05,623 --> 00:25:07,861
cat woman, she'd put on a ski mask

657
00:25:07,861 --> 00:25:09,299
and that had little cat ears on it.

658
00:25:09,618 --> 00:25:11,936
That more like a an homage than it

659
00:25:11,936 --> 00:25:12,975
did. No. This is...

660
00:25:13,708 --> 00:25:15,692
Cat woman. This is supposed to be Cat

661
00:25:15,692 --> 00:25:18,786
woman. Yeah. I I definitely have some thoughts

662
00:25:18,786 --> 00:25:20,476
on the on that cost,

663
00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:24,049
that might kind of speak to that a

664
00:25:24,049 --> 00:25:26,859
little bit, because I was looking at Batman's

665
00:25:27,394 --> 00:25:29,248
cost specifically. Mh.

666
00:25:29,959 --> 00:25:31,956
I'm a batman fan, but I'm a... I'm

667
00:25:31,956 --> 00:25:34,114
more a fan of batman for his villains

668
00:25:34,114 --> 00:25:35,872
than Batman himself. Mh.

669
00:25:37,724 --> 00:25:39,717
But anyway, I... And I I have all

670
00:25:39,717 --> 00:25:41,711
the Batman movies with the exception of Ben

671
00:25:41,791 --> 00:25:44,502
A like in this 1. And I've taken

672
00:25:44,502 --> 00:25:46,336
a really hard look at...

673
00:25:47,068 --> 00:25:47,568
Batman

674
00:25:48,261 --> 00:25:48,738
outfit.

675
00:25:49,215 --> 00:25:51,521
And a lot of it was cut and

676
00:25:51,521 --> 00:25:54,305
stitch with leather, but with love leather, I

677
00:25:54,305 --> 00:25:55,020
can't talk tonight.

678
00:25:55,833 --> 00:25:56,333
And

679
00:25:57,749 --> 00:25:58,887
I think what the

680
00:25:59,504 --> 00:26:00,781
direction was that they were trying to go

681
00:26:00,781 --> 00:26:02,777
with cost in this 1, was they were

682
00:26:02,777 --> 00:26:05,208
trying to make it look like... Costumes that

683
00:26:05,347 --> 00:26:08,463
legitimate real people would have the capacity to

684
00:26:08,463 --> 00:26:10,700
make. Mh. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

685
00:26:11,114 --> 00:26:13,271
Like, in the in the Nolan moved in

686
00:26:13,271 --> 00:26:15,689
the nolan verse, you know, batman was ordering

687
00:26:15,748 --> 00:26:17,745
parts for his stuff from China,

688
00:26:18,239 --> 00:26:19,909
and stuff like that. And they don't even

689
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:22,692
talk about how Batman made his suits and

690
00:26:22,692 --> 00:26:23,885
all the previous movies.

691
00:26:24,998 --> 00:26:26,373
But, I mean, they were all

692
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,888
latex and Yeah. Nipples and

693
00:26:31,218 --> 00:26:34,002
that was only Val forward. No it wasn't

694
00:26:34,002 --> 00:26:35,036
didn't have bad nipples.

695
00:26:35,928 --> 00:26:38,400
Fell K did either. It was 100 percent,

696
00:26:40,394 --> 00:26:41,112
doctor Ross.

697
00:26:42,069 --> 00:26:42,627
But anyway,

698
00:26:43,425 --> 00:26:44,542
No, you're right. You're right.

699
00:26:45,434 --> 00:26:48,140
With the bat Visa card. Belt Val K

700
00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:49,652
was the 1 that introduced the bat butt.

701
00:26:50,607 --> 00:26:52,358
Oh, was was there a bat butt on

702
00:26:52,358 --> 00:26:54,441
his suit with when he puts on the

703
00:26:54,441 --> 00:26:56,429
the prototype suit or whatever,

704
00:26:57,065 --> 00:26:59,133
He... They they they do a shot of

705
00:26:59,133 --> 00:26:59,872
his butt,

706
00:27:00,564 --> 00:27:01,598
in the suit up sequence.

707
00:27:02,154 --> 00:27:02,552
Gotcha.

708
00:27:03,443 --> 00:27:04,879
At any rate. It's been a hot minute

709
00:27:04,879 --> 00:27:07,033
since I've watched batman forever. But at a

710
00:27:07,033 --> 00:27:08,390
at any rate. I think I think they

711
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:10,006
were just trying to go with the whole

712
00:27:10,479 --> 00:27:10,979
Diy

713
00:27:11,357 --> 00:27:11,857
outfit

714
00:27:12,395 --> 00:27:13,273
aesthetic a little bit.

715
00:27:13,991 --> 00:27:15,668
Obviously, Batman suits gonna be a little bit

716
00:27:15,668 --> 00:27:18,563
better because he has access to better material

717
00:27:18,622 --> 00:27:21,295
and better Yeah. You know, stuff. But

718
00:27:21,595 --> 00:27:22,955
so I think they were trying to make

719
00:27:22,955 --> 00:27:24,575
it feel a little bit more gritty

720
00:27:25,355 --> 00:27:26,255
underground Diy.

721
00:27:26,875 --> 00:27:29,055
Sure. Because even even even Batman's

722
00:27:29,528 --> 00:27:30,028
Bat

723
00:27:30,483 --> 00:27:31,540
wasn't as

724
00:27:32,074 --> 00:27:35,893
Uber as all the the Nolan verse or

725
00:27:35,893 --> 00:27:37,723
even or even the

726
00:27:38,535 --> 00:27:39,575
I don't even I don't know what we

727
00:27:39,575 --> 00:27:42,615
call the series with the 3 different Batman.

728
00:27:43,815 --> 00:27:45,975
The nineties is Batman. Yeah. Sure. We'll go

729
00:27:45,975 --> 00:27:48,867
through. Yeah. So reverse. I think they call

730
00:27:48,867 --> 00:27:51,424
it the burton verse. Right. Except except Jerry

731
00:27:51,583 --> 00:27:53,661
B did the last 2, but, you know,

732
00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:56,229
Yeah whatever. You know, I'll I'll say this

733
00:27:56,229 --> 00:27:58,782
to the cons with in that that world.

734
00:28:00,058 --> 00:28:02,451
1 of the influences and it's undeniable, And

735
00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:03,567
I I think there was an area interview

736
00:28:03,567 --> 00:28:05,413
where we actually mentioned that is that he

737
00:28:05,413 --> 00:28:07,637
heavily pulled from Batman Year 1 in Batman

738
00:28:07,637 --> 00:28:10,575
year 2. And in Batman year 1, it's

739
00:28:10,575 --> 00:28:12,164
it's the first year of batman. And they

740
00:28:12,164 --> 00:28:13,911
said he's only been around for 2 years.

741
00:28:14,324 --> 00:28:14,643
And

742
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,432
the great thing about Batman year 1 specifically

743
00:28:17,432 --> 00:28:19,584
was the fact that it was super ground

744
00:28:19,584 --> 00:28:22,549
level. Like, his cost wasn't perfect yet. And

745
00:28:22,709 --> 00:28:24,787
Cat woman also was that way. She was

746
00:28:24,787 --> 00:28:26,385
a ground level person. There's a lot of

747
00:28:26,385 --> 00:28:27,984
things that they... And Won't get to spoiler

748
00:28:27,984 --> 00:28:29,502
a little bit, but it's a lot of

749
00:28:29,502 --> 00:28:31,420
aspects about the cat 1 character in this

750
00:28:31,420 --> 00:28:33,914
film that comes directly from your 1. And

751
00:28:33,914 --> 00:28:35,914
it's it's just like what you're saying. It's

752
00:28:35,914 --> 00:28:38,714
this like, they're figuring it out. They're putting

753
00:28:38,714 --> 00:28:41,279
stuff together and and try to figure out

754
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:42,813
what works and what doesn't work

755
00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:43,846
as

756
00:28:45,493 --> 00:28:46,368
vigilant and Villa.

757
00:28:47,974 --> 00:28:50,209
Yes. So... And I think that's what makes

758
00:28:50,209 --> 00:28:52,523
this movie great for me and fitting in

759
00:28:52,523 --> 00:28:54,678
with that Noir field is that there's texture

760
00:28:54,678 --> 00:28:57,424
to it. It's not the... The the slick

761
00:28:57,639 --> 00:29:00,421
latex that Val has. It's, you know, there's

762
00:29:00,421 --> 00:29:03,203
a there's a greatness. There's there's knicks and

763
00:29:03,203 --> 00:29:05,133
and cuts and stitches in

764
00:29:05,523 --> 00:29:08,629
his helmet the entire time. And maybe maybe

765
00:29:08,629 --> 00:29:10,859
that's what's contributing to this whole idea of

766
00:29:10,859 --> 00:29:11,497
me saying,

767
00:29:11,974 --> 00:29:13,806
you could just as easily make this a...

768
00:29:14,299 --> 00:29:16,841
A regular film Nor Pi movie as you

769
00:29:16,841 --> 00:29:18,430
could a batman movie. Maybe part of it

770
00:29:18,430 --> 00:29:20,893
is because the aesthetic is not overly comic

771
00:29:20,893 --> 00:29:23,865
book, Mh. It's very, very grounded in realism.

772
00:29:24,105 --> 00:29:26,825
Mh. You know, batman's mask. You you see

773
00:29:26,825 --> 00:29:28,585
the stitches where he put it together. It's

774
00:29:28,585 --> 00:29:30,585
not this hard carbon fiber.

775
00:29:31,158 --> 00:29:34,580
Bat colored, you know, that thing. Of like

776
00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:36,729
you said, Cat Woman's outfit is is it's

777
00:29:36,729 --> 00:29:38,082
not designed to make her look like a

778
00:29:38,082 --> 00:29:39,514
cat. It makes you look like a a

779
00:29:39,514 --> 00:29:41,923
cat burglar, Mh. She just happened to have

780
00:29:41,923 --> 00:29:43,541
cats around. His his bat

781
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,157
is just a soup up car. It's not

782
00:29:46,157 --> 00:29:48,409
a... A boy howdy with a car. Yeah.

783
00:29:48,568 --> 00:29:50,084
Oh, yeah. It was a great car. Don't

784
00:29:50,084 --> 00:29:50,562
get me old.

785
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,673
But, like, if I saw that driving down

786
00:29:53,673 --> 00:29:55,747
the road. I wouldn't think, Oh, there goes

787
00:29:55,747 --> 00:29:57,581
the Bat like you would with, like Tim

788
00:29:57,661 --> 00:29:58,194
Burton met

789
00:29:58,792 --> 00:30:01,419
not same or just the effect. It's it

790
00:30:01,419 --> 00:30:03,648
would just be something. Yeah. You and me

791
00:30:03,648 --> 00:30:05,082
are riding the same wavelengths to me.

792
00:30:06,849 --> 00:30:08,205
It I was just gonna say, it would

793
00:30:08,205 --> 00:30:09,880
be some more closer to the effect of,

794
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:12,192
like, oh, man. That's a dope vehicle. Yeah.

795
00:30:12,591 --> 00:30:14,186
Exactly. You think it would it would be

796
00:30:14,186 --> 00:30:15,861
going to a car show or something. Right.

797
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:16,260
Yeah.

798
00:30:18,346 --> 00:30:19,940
So... Can we get the spoilers?

799
00:30:20,976 --> 00:30:21,374
At least.

800
00:30:22,489 --> 00:30:23,684
I've got so much more I wanna say,

801
00:30:23,844 --> 00:30:25,517
but I can't give it away. I'm sure

802
00:30:25,517 --> 00:30:27,848
you do. I got spoiler free stuff yet.

803
00:30:28,407 --> 00:30:28,907
Free.

804
00:30:30,805 --> 00:30:32,563
Actually, this is my this is my final

805
00:30:32,563 --> 00:30:34,641
spoiler free the thing. Is that this movie

806
00:30:34,641 --> 00:30:37,527
was over long, But 100 percent. There was

807
00:30:37,527 --> 00:30:39,838
a lot... There were there was plenty. They

808
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:41,671
could've have cut out of this movie, and

809
00:30:41,671 --> 00:30:43,105
it would have made it a better movie.

810
00:30:43,916 --> 00:30:46,780
There was a lot of long drawn out

811
00:30:46,780 --> 00:30:49,086
shots that could have been reduced that didn't

812
00:30:49,086 --> 00:30:51,091
need to be as long. For instance,

813
00:30:52,127 --> 00:30:52,923
can't talk about that.

814
00:30:54,994 --> 00:30:56,109
You see. But thriller,

815
00:30:56,667 --> 00:30:59,216
but there were they're, like, literally,

816
00:30:59,789 --> 00:31:01,390
When I was when when we were... When

817
00:31:01,549 --> 00:31:03,470
I watched this movie, it was literally... I

818
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:04,910
was like, okay. So it's about to end

819
00:31:04,910 --> 00:31:06,829
now, and then I looked at the status

820
00:31:06,829 --> 00:31:08,190
of it, and it was only at an

821
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:10,437
hour and 40. Minutes in. I'm like, oh,

822
00:31:10,596 --> 00:31:12,982
no. I've got an entire half of a

823
00:31:12,982 --> 00:31:13,539
movie left.

824
00:31:14,334 --> 00:31:15,925
And then I watched some. I'm like, okay.

825
00:31:16,179 --> 00:31:17,769
It seems like it's it's wrapping up now.

826
00:31:18,007 --> 00:31:19,677
Nope. Still had another hour left.

827
00:31:20,551 --> 00:31:23,572
Okay. It's wrapping up now. Nope. Still got

828
00:31:23,572 --> 00:31:26,609
another 30 minutes left. It I'm like, this

829
00:31:26,609 --> 00:31:28,998
movie literally felt like it ended 5 times.

830
00:31:29,316 --> 00:31:30,988
It's like they were trying to end this

831
00:31:30,988 --> 00:31:32,739
movie in every movie that it was...

832
00:31:33,948 --> 00:31:35,460
Don't know if I wanna say inspired by

833
00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:36,914
or ripping off, but

834
00:31:37,766 --> 00:31:39,936
III will say this to give a little

835
00:31:40,550 --> 00:31:42,952
peek behind the curtain as as... As John

836
00:31:42,952 --> 00:31:43,669
says sometimes,

837
00:31:44,226 --> 00:31:46,296
when I watch this movie for the show.

838
00:31:47,093 --> 00:31:49,482
This is the first movie in my entire

839
00:31:49,482 --> 00:31:52,047
time on the bottom shelf. Where I actually

840
00:31:52,047 --> 00:31:54,599
had to pause it and pick it up

841
00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:55,157
the next day.

842
00:31:56,832 --> 00:31:57,151
Like...

843
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:59,384
Because because I wanted to watch it enough

844
00:31:59,384 --> 00:32:00,900
to where I could pay attention to it.

845
00:32:01,392 --> 00:32:03,933
But it was getting late, and I was

846
00:32:03,933 --> 00:32:07,109
falling asleep. It's a 3 hour movie. Yeah.

847
00:32:07,506 --> 00:32:09,491
Yeah. It's it's a long movie. I'm not

848
00:32:09,491 --> 00:32:11,966
gonna debate that. This movie is not lord

849
00:32:11,966 --> 00:32:14,029
of the rings. It it I it can't

850
00:32:14,029 --> 00:32:16,488
justify a lot or time that long. I

851
00:32:16,488 --> 00:32:18,648
don't know about that. I think a, for

852
00:32:18,648 --> 00:32:20,716
the difference that it is as a No

853
00:32:20,716 --> 00:32:22,705
movie. And also I didn't find problem with

854
00:32:22,705 --> 00:32:24,057
the pacing. Like, like,

855
00:32:24,946 --> 00:32:26,455
like, yes. There are moments where the Story

856
00:32:26,455 --> 00:32:28,281
arc was coming to a low. Like, it

857
00:32:28,281 --> 00:32:29,630
was like, okay. We're wrap it up, but

858
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:30,980
then it rent back up, but to me

859
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:32,727
that went rent back up. It re engaged

860
00:32:32,727 --> 00:32:34,971
me really well. I didn't want it. Dude.

861
00:32:35,130 --> 00:32:36,486
It it like, it felt like it was

862
00:32:36,486 --> 00:32:38,161
wrapping up. It felt good and it's just

863
00:32:38,161 --> 00:32:39,517
like, okay. We're gonna do it again. It

864
00:32:39,517 --> 00:32:41,272
sort of, like, it's sort like, when you're

865
00:32:41,272 --> 00:32:43,425
running a fun run, you, like, A5K or

866
00:32:43,425 --> 00:32:44,960
something thing and then then they're just like,

867
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,119
nope. You guys gotta go a little bit

868
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:47,940
longer and

869
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,019
I did. I was... I did think the

870
00:32:52,414 --> 00:32:54,883
Well, that's spoilers. Right. There there was 1

871
00:32:54,883 --> 00:32:56,316
point. I'll I'll say, oh, there was 1

872
00:32:56,316 --> 00:32:57,829
point in the movie where I did feel

873
00:32:57,829 --> 00:33:01,509
like, okay. You've major point. Come on. But

874
00:33:01,509 --> 00:33:03,430
let's wrap this up, Let Batman do his

875
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:04,630
thing and let's just keep going.

876
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:07,750
This is honestly over with now. When it

877
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:08,630
when it gets like this...

878
00:33:09,362 --> 00:33:11,913
More often than not. It's just whoever was

879
00:33:11,913 --> 00:33:12,892
writing the movie

880
00:33:13,508 --> 00:33:15,580
couldn't edit themselves. They had a lot of

881
00:33:15,580 --> 00:33:17,749
ideas they wanted to cram in, and that's

882
00:33:17,749 --> 00:33:19,347
not to say that any of these ideas

883
00:33:19,347 --> 00:33:22,542
were bad ideas, but they had so many

884
00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:24,220
ideas that they wanted to cram in,

885
00:33:24,874 --> 00:33:27,269
that it caused the movie to blow out

886
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:29,743
a little bit. And honestly, I think if

887
00:33:29,743 --> 00:33:31,340
they could've have they could have taken half

888
00:33:31,340 --> 00:33:33,596
the ideas they crammed into this movie

889
00:33:33,987 --> 00:33:36,686
and fleshed out the remaining ideas, and it

890
00:33:36,686 --> 00:33:38,195
would have been great. And they would have

891
00:33:38,195 --> 00:33:40,283
had enough ideas to make a second movie

892
00:33:40,656 --> 00:33:42,021
that would have been great. If they would've

893
00:33:42,021 --> 00:33:43,610
have flushed out the ideas they take... They

894
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:44,960
took they would have taken out of it.

895
00:33:45,278 --> 00:33:47,105
So... Do you think if they made this

896
00:33:47,105 --> 00:33:48,320
a 3 part

897
00:33:48,773 --> 00:33:49,488
mini series?

898
00:33:50,218 --> 00:33:51,810
Like, 3 hour long parts,

899
00:33:52,446 --> 00:33:55,231
it would feel better. That could be digestible?

900
00:33:55,708 --> 00:33:58,267
Maybe. I mean... See that. It's because there

901
00:33:58,267 --> 00:34:00,092
is a lot of story in it. And

902
00:34:00,092 --> 00:34:01,521
usually, if there's a lot of story in

903
00:34:01,521 --> 00:34:03,902
1 movie, it would do better to stretch

904
00:34:03,902 --> 00:34:05,807
it out, so you could spend more time

905
00:34:05,807 --> 00:34:07,095
with... Each story.

906
00:34:07,732 --> 00:34:08,847
Instead of trying to jam it all in

907
00:34:08,847 --> 00:34:12,590
1 movie. Yeah. I mean, but but by

908
00:34:12,590 --> 00:34:14,762
the time they were starting to resolve

909
00:34:15,153 --> 00:34:16,031
narrative threads.

910
00:34:16,589 --> 00:34:16,749
If...

911
00:34:17,467 --> 00:34:19,222
To to be honest, because there was so

912
00:34:19,222 --> 00:34:21,774
much going on in this movie that by

913
00:34:21,774 --> 00:34:24,246
the time they started resolving narrative threads, it

914
00:34:24,246 --> 00:34:26,335
literally felt like, they were checking off a

915
00:34:26,335 --> 00:34:28,966
checklist. It's like, okay. We resolved this problem.

916
00:34:29,285 --> 00:34:30,720
We resolved this 1.

917
00:34:32,315 --> 00:34:32,634
Okay.

918
00:34:33,192 --> 00:34:34,744
Now we gotta... But

919
00:34:35,123 --> 00:34:37,360
they were intentional about. It it... But it

920
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,118
it felt intentional. Like, they did it in

921
00:34:39,118 --> 00:34:40,876
such a way that it didn't kill the

922
00:34:40,876 --> 00:34:41,275
pacing.

923
00:34:41,848 --> 00:34:44,950
But, like, literally, it it... There was there

924
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:47,415
was too much going on. So here here's

925
00:34:47,415 --> 00:34:49,483
my pushback. I don't think they could have...

926
00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:51,881
I agree it's long. And there are certain

927
00:34:51,881 --> 00:34:53,867
portions I'm like, okay. You could cut here

928
00:34:53,867 --> 00:34:55,614
and you could picked up with a sequel

929
00:34:55,614 --> 00:34:57,601
movie, make it 2 hour and a half

930
00:34:57,601 --> 00:34:59,427
minute films. The problem is this,

931
00:35:00,157 --> 00:35:01,746
when this movie came out.

932
00:35:02,302 --> 00:35:04,845
We are on the back end, of, the

933
00:35:04,845 --> 00:35:06,672
debacle of the Justice League movies.

934
00:35:07,164 --> 00:35:09,477
We are on the back end of the

935
00:35:09,477 --> 00:35:10,855
the death of the Dc

936
00:35:11,311 --> 00:35:11,870
as a whole.

937
00:35:12,588 --> 00:35:15,459
People are are screaming and cram and claiming,

938
00:35:15,699 --> 00:35:17,784
like, we want the snyder cut. Right? That's

939
00:35:17,784 --> 00:35:19,953
what's happening in the world. They had

940
00:35:20,486 --> 00:35:22,495
1 shot to make a movie

941
00:35:22,869 --> 00:35:25,412
that goes, this is what this world is.

942
00:35:25,983 --> 00:35:28,447
And people like it. I don't think you

943
00:35:28,447 --> 00:35:31,251
could cut this movie at a halfway marker

944
00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:33,215
and gotten a sequel. I don't think that

945
00:35:33,215 --> 00:35:34,645
there would have been a... It would have...

946
00:35:34,978 --> 00:35:36,807
Satisfied. They would have to do a a

947
00:35:36,807 --> 00:35:37,307
plethora

948
00:35:37,761 --> 00:35:40,463
of of things to make that happen Don't

949
00:35:40,463 --> 00:35:42,451
think it would it worked out. I think

950
00:35:42,451 --> 00:35:44,143
this was, like, we got 1 shot

951
00:35:44,453 --> 00:35:46,284
Here it is. Do you like it. And

952
00:35:46,284 --> 00:35:49,068
clearly, people did. I mean, it it made

953
00:35:49,068 --> 00:35:49,864
book boo of monies.

954
00:35:50,819 --> 00:35:51,456
All the monies.

955
00:35:52,109 --> 00:35:52,429
I mean,

956
00:35:53,708 --> 00:35:54,107
I can only...

957
00:35:54,986 --> 00:35:55,306
Maybe...

958
00:35:56,265 --> 00:35:58,023
Look, her. Hold on. Let me let let

959
00:35:58,023 --> 00:35:59,621
me back up because and I'll start talking

960
00:35:59,621 --> 00:36:01,791
before I finished what I wanted just... Thinking

961
00:36:01,791 --> 00:36:02,744
about what I wanted to say.

962
00:36:03,857 --> 00:36:04,255
I don't...

963
00:36:05,606 --> 00:36:07,195
That's fine to say that, but in the

964
00:36:07,195 --> 00:36:09,182
same sense, I can only judge the movie

965
00:36:09,182 --> 00:36:11,504
based off the movie, that's being presented to

966
00:36:11,504 --> 00:36:13,812
me. I can take into the account of

967
00:36:13,812 --> 00:36:16,120
the time period that it was made in

968
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,602
in in certain instances for instance, Like, if

969
00:36:18,602 --> 00:36:20,513
we're... Well, like, when we talk about the

970
00:36:20,513 --> 00:36:22,503
first Le recon movie, and I and I

971
00:36:22,503 --> 00:36:24,095
have my rant in it that it's a

972
00:36:24,095 --> 00:36:25,925
product of its time. You couldn't, you know,

973
00:36:27,378 --> 00:36:29,296
but as as far as what's going on

974
00:36:29,296 --> 00:36:31,853
with the production company during that time period,

975
00:36:32,093 --> 00:36:33,692
I don't think that's a fair thing to

976
00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:36,204
really bring in when you're... When your... Cri

977
00:36:36,263 --> 00:36:36,901
a movie,

978
00:36:38,018 --> 00:36:38,518
because,

979
00:36:39,056 --> 00:36:41,210
yeah, that may be the reason why they

980
00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:41,870
made certain

981
00:36:42,487 --> 00:36:44,578
decisions why they did, Mh. But in the

982
00:36:44,578 --> 00:36:46,496
same sense, I can only judge the movie

983
00:36:46,496 --> 00:36:47,934
that's being put in front of me.

984
00:36:49,452 --> 00:36:50,810
And so... Yeah.

985
00:36:51,543 --> 00:36:53,532
That may be may have been their reasoning,

986
00:36:53,691 --> 00:36:55,441
but it's gonna have an effect on the

987
00:36:55,441 --> 00:36:57,350
viewer watching the movie. Mh.

988
00:36:57,986 --> 00:36:59,657
Regardless. And for my perspective,

989
00:37:00,309 --> 00:37:01,664
I was ready for this movie to be

990
00:37:01,664 --> 00:37:04,134
done a couple times. Like... By the time,

991
00:37:04,293 --> 00:37:05,648
I was done with the movie. I just

992
00:37:05,648 --> 00:37:09,162
felt tired. Like, a emotion... Like, emotionally and

993
00:37:09,162 --> 00:37:11,780
physically. I was just tired. You know, I'm

994
00:37:11,780 --> 00:37:14,318
sydney here thinking about because John, you mentioned

995
00:37:14,318 --> 00:37:15,507
to earlier Lord of the rings.

996
00:37:16,078 --> 00:37:18,559
Mh. And I've got I've got the extended

997
00:37:18,614 --> 00:37:19,432
additions of both.

998
00:37:20,041 --> 00:37:22,737
Guide you too. I I thoroughly enjoy sitting

999
00:37:22,737 --> 00:37:24,897
down and watching but, I will, I will

1000
00:37:24,897 --> 00:37:26,806
sit down start fellowship with the ring and

1001
00:37:26,806 --> 00:37:28,397
go all the way to Mori. I'll I'll

1002
00:37:28,397 --> 00:37:30,226
alberta a day watching all 3 back to

1003
00:37:30,226 --> 00:37:32,256
back. Then But I'm trying to think of

1004
00:37:32,553 --> 00:37:34,945
why I'm willing to do that. And I

1005
00:37:34,945 --> 00:37:36,700
think at least in part,

1006
00:37:37,338 --> 00:37:39,432
it is because I saw the theatrical.

1007
00:37:40,304 --> 00:37:42,881
Release. Mh. And knew there was more

1008
00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:44,160
and wanted

1009
00:37:44,698 --> 00:37:45,198
to

1010
00:37:45,976 --> 00:37:47,494
see what was missing behind it.

1011
00:37:48,387 --> 00:37:50,620
Sugar? If if if I'm if I'm understanding

1012
00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:52,535
you right, then, Bam, what you're suggesting is

1013
00:37:52,535 --> 00:37:55,028
that that maybe they should have done the

1014
00:37:55,406 --> 00:37:57,421
cut and then had a

1015
00:37:57,974 --> 00:38:01,034
extended cut. Yeah. I think that might have

1016
00:38:01,175 --> 00:38:02,295
that might have done it.

1017
00:38:03,574 --> 00:38:06,135
So that you have a version for casual

1018
00:38:06,135 --> 00:38:06,775
movie hours,

1019
00:38:07,348 --> 00:38:09,098
who, you know, are just... They're just going

1020
00:38:09,098 --> 00:38:10,212
to see the next Batman film.

1021
00:38:11,166 --> 00:38:13,973
But then you've got the director's cut that

1022
00:38:14,285 --> 00:38:15,885
for the real fans of the field that

1023
00:38:15,885 --> 00:38:17,724
1 us kinda sink their teeth into it

1024
00:38:17,724 --> 00:38:20,364
because I'm I'm I'm reflecting back and thinking

1025
00:38:20,364 --> 00:38:23,012
back on the movie and knowing that it

1026
00:38:23,012 --> 00:38:24,443
is a long movie.

1027
00:38:24,921 --> 00:38:26,670
Now when I watched it for the for

1028
00:38:26,670 --> 00:38:28,659
the show, I started too late at night.

1029
00:38:28,897 --> 00:38:30,901
That was my own decision. But knowing it's

1030
00:38:30,901 --> 00:38:32,336
a long movie if I wanna watch it.

1031
00:38:32,575 --> 00:38:35,045
I sit down prepared to see it in

1032
00:38:35,045 --> 00:38:36,957
its entirety. But I do that with Lord

1033
00:38:36,957 --> 00:38:38,869
of the rings too. I sit down knowing

1034
00:38:38,869 --> 00:38:41,117
this is gonna be an investment time. Right.

1035
00:38:41,596 --> 00:38:43,112
You know, if I want to enjoy this

1036
00:38:43,112 --> 00:38:45,607
for... It's the full experience and need to

1037
00:38:45,666 --> 00:38:48,161
plan to not have interruptions and things. So

1038
00:38:48,474 --> 00:38:51,355
Baby... Yeah, maybe this would benefit from having

1039
00:38:51,355 --> 00:38:54,155
a theatrical cut just to say here's the

1040
00:38:54,155 --> 00:38:56,235
movie and then have a director's cut and

1041
00:38:56,235 --> 00:38:57,434
the director's cut b,

1042
00:38:58,088 --> 00:38:58,804
what we watched.

1043
00:38:59,758 --> 00:39:01,905
I think I can speak... I think I

1044
00:39:01,905 --> 00:39:04,610
can... This that, you know, this this episode

1045
00:39:04,610 --> 00:39:06,300
is gonna go down in history. We're at

1046
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,271
46 minutes and we haven't even gotten past

1047
00:39:10,286 --> 00:39:11,084
non spoilers.

1048
00:39:11,961 --> 00:39:14,010
But I think I think that... It's

1049
00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:16,436
I I think that I can answer your

1050
00:39:16,436 --> 00:39:18,425
question as far as what... What... What's the

1051
00:39:18,425 --> 00:39:21,369
difference between sitting down to watch the extended

1052
00:39:21,369 --> 00:39:22,722
cuts of Lord of the rings in this?

1053
00:39:23,295 --> 00:39:24,835
And ultimately is that

1054
00:39:25,135 --> 00:39:26,434
Lord of the rings isn't

1055
00:39:27,135 --> 00:39:27,454
nonstop,

1056
00:39:28,175 --> 00:39:29,234
dark or

1057
00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:32,507
nonstop gritty or whatever. Yeah. There there are

1058
00:39:32,507 --> 00:39:35,699
moments of bright and lever Levi, and you

1059
00:39:35,699 --> 00:39:38,093
go to R, and you go to... You

1060
00:39:38,093 --> 00:39:39,290
do you see what I'm saying? Like, yeah.

1061
00:39:39,784 --> 00:39:42,262
We're normally normally you get moments like that

1062
00:39:42,262 --> 00:39:44,260
in the Bruce Wayne scenes because he has

1063
00:39:44,260 --> 00:39:46,358
to pretend to be a playboy, but the

1064
00:39:46,737 --> 00:39:48,815
no Bruce Wayne scenes in this movie.

1065
00:39:49,229 --> 00:39:50,905
Yeah. That's what I was gonna say because

1066
00:39:50,905 --> 00:39:53,619
it's early in his career, he hasn't adopted

1067
00:39:53,619 --> 00:39:56,174
a persona for Bruce Wayne. So even when

1068
00:39:56,174 --> 00:39:58,010
he's Bruce Wayne, he's batman.

1069
00:39:58,583 --> 00:40:00,327
All the time. So there isn't a a

1070
00:40:00,327 --> 00:40:02,786
break. I'll tell you what... As I... Being

1071
00:40:02,786 --> 00:40:04,530
as I broke Taboo, let me do this

1072
00:40:04,530 --> 00:40:06,037
and we can continue this conversation.

1073
00:40:11,312 --> 00:40:12,030
Ladies gentlemen,

1074
00:40:13,066 --> 00:40:14,182
the sw section.

1075
00:40:16,505 --> 00:40:18,755
I just felt the tension and my shoulders

1076
00:40:18,812 --> 00:40:19,130
relax.

1077
00:40:19,687 --> 00:40:21,835
Alright. Let's get into this. I'm ready.

1078
00:40:22,808 --> 00:40:25,465
No Bruce Wayne scenes in this movie. And

1079
00:40:26,404 --> 00:40:28,402
well, let me rephrase that. There are a

1080
00:40:28,402 --> 00:40:28,721
couple,

1081
00:40:30,333 --> 00:40:32,399
when when it's just between him and Alfred,

1082
00:40:32,797 --> 00:40:35,657
which again, Andy Ce. Wow. Yes.

1083
00:40:37,008 --> 00:40:37,508
But

1084
00:40:38,858 --> 00:40:40,695
Even in those bruce Wayne scenes, he...

1085
00:40:41,415 --> 00:40:42,533
That's not my Bruce Wayne.

1086
00:40:45,010 --> 00:40:47,824
Yeah. Well, I I understand why they played

1087
00:40:47,824 --> 00:40:49,505
that the way they did though because this

1088
00:40:49,505 --> 00:40:51,424
is supposed to be Batman in his early

1089
00:40:51,424 --> 00:40:51,664
years.

1090
00:40:52,224 --> 00:40:53,344
This is Batman who...

1091
00:40:53,917 --> 00:40:56,135
Doesn't really care about the Wayne Fortune doesn't

1092
00:40:56,135 --> 00:40:58,036
really care about the Wayne name.

1093
00:40:58,512 --> 00:41:00,572
All he cares about is as it has

1094
00:41:00,572 --> 00:41:02,022
been... Said over and over and over and

1095
00:41:02,022 --> 00:41:03,299
over and over again, this movie. All he

1096
00:41:03,299 --> 00:41:04,257
cares about is vengeance.

1097
00:41:04,975 --> 00:41:07,450
Vengeance vengeance. To be fair. Couldn't you say

1098
00:41:07,450 --> 00:41:10,579
that that's how batman begins, started out too,

1099
00:41:10,738 --> 00:41:14,015
though? No. Because he still had his Bruce

1100
00:41:14,095 --> 00:41:17,211
Wayne persona because that got him into parties

1101
00:41:17,211 --> 00:41:18,490
where he could get information.

1102
00:41:19,144 --> 00:41:21,704
This batman isn't. Not Not. I'm I'm I'm

1103
00:41:21,864 --> 00:41:24,265
I'm talking about how Batman begins began,

1104
00:41:24,744 --> 00:41:27,065
because he was originally like, I'm gonna go

1105
00:41:27,065 --> 00:41:27,565
kill

1106
00:41:28,275 --> 00:41:30,497
it wasn't Falcon. It was the other Joe

1107
00:41:30,497 --> 00:41:32,719
chill. No. No the no. The other batman,

1108
00:41:33,988 --> 00:41:36,073
Mafia a guy, he met him down in

1109
00:41:36,153 --> 00:41:38,869
Hell's kitchen in the restaurant. Oh 0,

1110
00:41:40,307 --> 00:41:40,707
Be.

1111
00:41:41,266 --> 00:41:42,224
Yeah. Bo.

1112
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,234
Mar. Brody. That was it. Yeah.

1113
00:41:45,351 --> 00:41:47,744
Yeah. Because they got... There's 2 different Mafia

1114
00:41:47,744 --> 00:41:49,658
guys, And I always get them mixed up.

1115
00:41:49,897 --> 00:41:50,556
There's Falcon

1116
00:41:51,253 --> 00:41:52,050
and Mar.

1117
00:41:52,465 --> 00:41:53,764
Phone, and

1118
00:41:54,224 --> 00:41:55,184
Yeah. And macaroni.

1119
00:41:56,625 --> 00:41:57,184
At jeez.

1120
00:41:59,184 --> 00:42:01,517
But I... Like I said, IIII could see

1121
00:42:01,517 --> 00:42:04,872
that though, because he he's still focused on

1122
00:42:04,872 --> 00:42:05,372
his

1123
00:42:05,991 --> 00:42:08,714
his ambition. And he hasn't quite figured out

1124
00:42:08,714 --> 00:42:11,123
how to use Bruce Wade as a tool

1125
00:42:11,498 --> 00:42:13,168
for that mission, even the scene John that

1126
00:42:13,168 --> 00:42:15,316
you're referencing, he he hasn't the Batman,

1127
00:42:15,809 --> 00:42:17,410
He's Bruce wayne with a with a pistol.

1128
00:42:17,809 --> 00:42:20,210
That's all he is. He goes off the

1129
00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:22,610
comes back man. It comes back. And and

1130
00:42:22,610 --> 00:42:24,289
and in that movie, in that movie verse,

1131
00:42:24,864 --> 00:42:25,925
He comes back

1132
00:42:26,224 --> 00:42:29,105
with focus and intention, and he knows how

1133
00:42:29,105 --> 00:42:31,585
he can use the Bruce Wayne persona Mh

1134
00:42:31,585 --> 00:42:33,425
to achieve his mission. In this version of

1135
00:42:33,505 --> 00:42:33,985
Batman,

1136
00:42:34,478 --> 00:42:36,706
He's not focused. He's brand new. It, you

1137
00:42:36,706 --> 00:42:38,377
know, the way Robert Patton played and he

1138
00:42:38,377 --> 00:42:40,367
looks like he could potentially be, like fresh

1139
00:42:40,367 --> 00:42:42,197
out of college age. Right. Like, this is

1140
00:42:42,197 --> 00:42:44,520
a mid twenties bruce swing. He hasn't developed

1141
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,273
the Bruce wayne persona hasn't learned how to

1142
00:42:46,273 --> 00:42:48,344
use it to his advantage. All he cares

1143
00:42:48,344 --> 00:42:49,619
about is mission. That's why,

1144
00:42:50,986 --> 00:42:53,129
Alfred talks about there's a board meeting that

1145
00:42:53,129 --> 00:42:54,001
you weren't present for.

1146
00:42:55,033 --> 00:42:56,382
You know, you need to start showing up

1147
00:42:56,382 --> 00:42:57,016
to these things.

1148
00:42:58,365 --> 00:43:00,773
I get it. I get it. Oh, I

1149
00:43:00,773 --> 00:43:01,811
don't know. I'd... It's just...

1150
00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:04,848
I have so many mixed thoughts about this

1151
00:43:04,848 --> 00:43:05,247
movie.

1152
00:43:06,126 --> 00:43:08,693
Like the reason... Go ahead. There's like, there's

1153
00:43:08,693 --> 00:43:10,523
things that I liked about this movie and

1154
00:43:10,523 --> 00:43:11,956
there's things no 1 back. I guess, you

1155
00:43:11,956 --> 00:43:13,547
could say that about any. There's things I

1156
00:43:13,547 --> 00:43:15,059
liked there's things I didn't like.

1157
00:43:17,143 --> 00:43:17,779
But this...

1158
00:43:18,574 --> 00:43:20,403
And I I kind of alluded to this

1159
00:43:20,403 --> 00:43:22,312
in the spoiler free section, but this is

1160
00:43:22,312 --> 00:43:23,982
not my bat. This is not the batman

1161
00:43:23,982 --> 00:43:25,175
movie I I come to.

1162
00:43:25,827 --> 00:43:27,260
This didn't feel like it needed to be

1163
00:43:27,260 --> 00:43:29,807
a batman movie for the most part until

1164
00:43:29,807 --> 00:43:32,457
they... Until they blew out the flood walls

1165
00:43:32,594 --> 00:43:34,762
around the city. Once they did that, then

1166
00:43:34,762 --> 00:43:37,795
I was like, okay. Now this feels like

1167
00:43:37,795 --> 00:43:40,430
a batman movie because you got your flooding

1168
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:42,526
in an entire city, which is

1169
00:43:43,156 --> 00:43:44,608
Okay. That needs a superhero.

1170
00:43:45,535 --> 00:43:46,827
Everybody's trapped inside

1171
00:43:47,596 --> 00:43:48,096
stadium,

1172
00:43:48,785 --> 00:43:50,450
which is which is going to be just...

1173
00:43:50,704 --> 00:43:52,702
Destroyed by the minions of the riddle.

1174
00:43:53,182 --> 00:43:55,440
Okay. I understand why that needs a superhero.

1175
00:43:56,059 --> 00:43:57,418
You know, it was at that point where

1176
00:43:57,497 --> 00:43:59,096
I was like, okay. This is why Batman...

1177
00:43:59,335 --> 00:44:00,235
This this

1178
00:44:00,630 --> 00:44:03,589
feels like Batman's necessary. But, I mean, you

1179
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:04,409
could have really

1180
00:44:04,949 --> 00:44:05,449
prior...

1181
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:08,309
I actually think I have a solution for

1182
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:10,402
that, though. I think I know... What they

1183
00:44:10,402 --> 00:44:12,418
could have done that would have made this

1184
00:44:13,193 --> 00:44:15,825
cemented as a batman movie and not just

1185
00:44:15,825 --> 00:44:17,739
a film nor movie with the guy that

1186
00:44:17,739 --> 00:44:19,590
dresses up for the costume you. 1 of

1187
00:44:19,590 --> 00:44:21,050
the things that

1188
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:23,429
1 of the premises that they kind of

1189
00:44:23,429 --> 00:44:25,429
hinted at promised at the beginning of the

1190
00:44:25,429 --> 00:44:28,161
movie, but never actually delivered all in. Do

1191
00:44:28,161 --> 00:44:29,987
you remember the seed where he's he's giving

1192
00:44:29,987 --> 00:44:31,042
his opening monologue,

1193
00:44:31,494 --> 00:44:33,240
and there's AAA

1194
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:34,296
thug who

1195
00:44:34,828 --> 00:44:36,177
rob a convenience store.

1196
00:44:36,748 --> 00:44:39,141
And he runs out and he looks into

1197
00:44:39,141 --> 00:44:41,694
the the shadow of the tunnel. Mh. And

1198
00:44:41,694 --> 00:44:43,847
he's a and and and and bat it's

1199
00:44:43,847 --> 00:44:45,841
talking about how they don't know if I'm

1200
00:44:45,841 --> 00:44:48,005
there or not. Because I could be everywhere.

1201
00:44:48,403 --> 00:44:49,699
Right. And there's this

1202
00:44:50,074 --> 00:44:53,017
attitude of Batman could literally be behind every

1203
00:44:53,017 --> 00:44:53,469
quarter

1204
00:44:53,906 --> 00:44:56,630
I think if they dropped the

1205
00:44:57,163 --> 00:44:59,307
on yoga fresh. I don't know what I'm

1206
00:44:59,307 --> 00:45:01,293
doing yet. It just went into... No. This

1207
00:45:01,293 --> 00:45:03,040
is a batman who has established.

1208
00:45:03,452 --> 00:45:06,791
Himself and played that more. Like, take out

1209
00:45:06,791 --> 00:45:08,937
the... Don't take out the seed, but rework

1210
00:45:08,937 --> 00:45:10,368
the seed where he goes to visit the

1211
00:45:10,368 --> 00:45:10,868
penguin

1212
00:45:11,259 --> 00:45:13,097
by knocking on the front door of a

1213
00:45:13,097 --> 00:45:15,415
night nightclub in his bats suit. Have him

1214
00:45:15,415 --> 00:45:18,052
sneak in, it just appear in Pig woods

1215
00:45:18,052 --> 00:45:18,452
office.

1216
00:45:19,650 --> 00:45:20,150
When

1217
00:45:20,783 --> 00:45:21,182
when

1218
00:45:21,660 --> 00:45:23,355
he shows up to fight those

1219
00:45:23,891 --> 00:45:25,644
skull painted guys at the very beginning of

1220
00:45:25,644 --> 00:45:27,637
the movie. Instead of him just slowly walking

1221
00:45:27,637 --> 00:45:28,137
in

1222
00:45:28,449 --> 00:45:30,707
like, have him baked the lights go out

1223
00:45:30,847 --> 00:45:33,483
and do the the monster thing where guys

1224
00:45:33,483 --> 00:45:36,360
just vanish into the shadows. Like, play up

1225
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:36,860
the

1226
00:45:37,253 --> 00:45:39,895
Batman is an urban legend thing. I

1227
00:45:40,507 --> 00:45:42,173
I am, I I gotta finish my thought.

1228
00:45:42,491 --> 00:45:44,078
Alright. Because because then,

1229
00:45:44,729 --> 00:45:46,882
He's this urban legend he's this myth, and

1230
00:45:46,882 --> 00:45:48,956
his intention is to strike fear.

1231
00:45:49,515 --> 00:45:51,131
But he doesn't care about

1232
00:45:51,668 --> 00:45:54,082
inspiring. Hope, all he cares about is striking

1233
00:45:54,141 --> 00:45:56,250
fear. He has his entire

1234
00:45:57,504 --> 00:45:59,895
interaction with Sully kyle. He has his whole

1235
00:45:59,895 --> 00:46:01,967
thing, you know, his his history ripped apart

1236
00:46:01,967 --> 00:46:02,605
by the Rid.

1237
00:46:03,098 --> 00:46:04,315
You have the moment

1238
00:46:04,771 --> 00:46:05,271
where

1239
00:46:05,727 --> 00:46:08,298
the the flood waters came in, and batman

1240
00:46:08,356 --> 00:46:11,302
stops worrying about stealth and being a monster

1241
00:46:11,302 --> 00:46:13,394
the night. Then he becomes a symbol of

1242
00:46:13,394 --> 00:46:16,434
hope. He cracks that flare out that that

1243
00:46:16,434 --> 00:46:18,035
very senior talking about where he cracks the

1244
00:46:18,035 --> 00:46:20,755
flare, holds it open. It leads people into

1245
00:46:20,755 --> 00:46:23,791
safety. And then he's standing in daylight, putting

1246
00:46:23,791 --> 00:46:24,902
people into stretchers,

1247
00:46:25,458 --> 00:46:26,967
and then at the end of the movie.

1248
00:46:27,602 --> 00:46:29,588
Instead of having him just riding off on

1249
00:46:29,588 --> 00:46:30,382
a motorcycle,

1250
00:46:30,873 --> 00:46:33,421
half him in his back cave working on

1251
00:46:33,421 --> 00:46:35,967
a new suit. In all the new suit,

1252
00:46:36,525 --> 00:46:38,833
you have the bat symbol with the yellow

1253
00:46:38,833 --> 00:46:39,629
oval behind.

1254
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:41,500
Can I

1255
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,400
throw out as even simpler suggestion on how

1256
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,559
to fix this movie? It might be simpler,

1257
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,280
but III love the idea of Hipaa.

1258
00:46:51,234 --> 00:46:52,903
It'll it'll be simpler.

1259
00:46:53,380 --> 00:46:55,446
Okay. And you'll like it better.

1260
00:46:56,179 --> 00:46:57,855
Okay. Take out batman,

1261
00:46:58,413 --> 00:46:59,211
put in the shadow.

1262
00:46:59,770 --> 00:47:01,606
That would work, but then it wouldn't be

1263
00:47:01,606 --> 00:47:03,122
a batman movie. I'm trying to make it

1264
00:47:03,122 --> 00:47:04,000
a batman movie.

1265
00:47:04,494 --> 00:47:06,010
I'm trying to make it a better movie.

1266
00:47:06,489 --> 00:47:08,804
No no. But see, have y'all read

1267
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,966
what's it called? Justice Lee new here? Nope.

1268
00:47:13,681 --> 00:47:15,982
Yes. Have you seen those the animated movie?

1269
00:47:16,458 --> 00:47:18,681
Nope. Okay. In that movie,

1270
00:47:19,236 --> 00:47:19,713
there's a...

1271
00:47:20,525 --> 00:47:22,684
Seed where Superman is visiting batman of the

1272
00:47:22,684 --> 00:47:25,484
bat cave, and Robin is there. And Robin

1273
00:47:25,484 --> 00:47:27,979
like, oh, wow. You really know him. And

1274
00:47:28,059 --> 00:47:29,338
Batman is like, don't you have homework today

1275
00:47:29,338 --> 00:47:31,016
do It's a Robin one's runs off. And

1276
00:47:31,175 --> 00:47:33,333
Batman's costume is noticeably different.

1277
00:47:33,892 --> 00:47:36,625
And Superman makes the point says, what's with

1278
00:47:36,625 --> 00:47:38,465
you? You've got a kid side kick? You've

1279
00:47:38,465 --> 00:47:40,144
got a do look, What what's the deal?

1280
00:47:40,864 --> 00:47:43,265
And he says, I just realized that I

1281
00:47:43,265 --> 00:47:44,465
want to scare criminals,

1282
00:47:45,105 --> 00:47:45,744
not children.

1283
00:47:46,318 --> 00:47:48,548
Because earlier in the story, there's a situation

1284
00:47:48,548 --> 00:47:50,539
where Batman's is trying to rescue a child

1285
00:47:50,539 --> 00:47:51,097
from a cult.

1286
00:47:51,734 --> 00:47:54,202
And the child is just a scared of

1287
00:47:54,202 --> 00:47:54,521
him.

1288
00:47:55,094 --> 00:47:56,529
As he is of the bad guys and

1289
00:47:56,529 --> 00:47:58,522
have kidnapped lap him, and it sits with,

1290
00:47:58,601 --> 00:48:00,913
and it bothers of that children are scared

1291
00:48:00,913 --> 00:48:03,088
him, so he changes his costume

1292
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,590
to be less scary and more more of

1293
00:48:06,590 --> 00:48:08,503
the vein of superman, more of a symbol

1294
00:48:08,503 --> 00:48:10,736
of hope type thing. Takes on Robin as

1295
00:48:10,736 --> 00:48:12,092
a side kick, and I think that is

1296
00:48:12,092 --> 00:48:12,831
a theme

1297
00:48:13,144 --> 00:48:16,012
they could've have explored this film. I'm glad

1298
00:48:16,012 --> 00:48:17,526
I didn't. Oh, whatever.

1299
00:48:18,244 --> 00:48:20,889
But bro, consider your audience, my dude. That

1300
00:48:20,889 --> 00:48:23,281
is not a John movie and you know

1301
00:48:23,281 --> 00:48:25,515
it. I know, but I still like that

1302
00:48:25,515 --> 00:48:27,429
idea because I don't like a batman with

1303
00:48:27,429 --> 00:48:29,423
a Robin, dude. I do not like that

1304
00:48:29,822 --> 00:48:32,220
A Robin. Don't don't have Robin then, but

1305
00:48:32,220 --> 00:48:35,735
but have have a story that shows him

1306
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:36,766
transitioning from

1307
00:48:37,139 --> 00:48:39,693
the dark night of avenger. Don't to the

1308
00:48:39,693 --> 00:48:42,494
symbol of hope for Got. You can even

1309
00:48:42,708 --> 00:48:45,825
work in, like, don't introduce the bat signal

1310
00:48:46,373 --> 00:48:47,330
until the very end,

1311
00:48:47,968 --> 00:48:50,918
because it becomes a symbol of hope. It

1312
00:48:50,918 --> 00:48:53,629
is a symbol now. That... That's an entire

1313
00:48:53,629 --> 00:48:55,006
theme they could have explored

1314
00:48:55,319 --> 00:48:57,394
How old damn when you realized that you

1315
00:48:57,394 --> 00:48:58,592
were addicted to hope.

1316
00:48:59,230 --> 00:49:00,827
3, maybe. Hello.

1317
00:49:01,385 --> 00:49:03,242
What was that first sith? There's the superman

1318
00:49:03,301 --> 00:49:05,944
spider man? Worse things of Too, man. I

1319
00:49:06,103 --> 00:49:08,492
I always just... You you literally had said

1320
00:49:08,492 --> 00:49:10,959
hope at least 5 times in your response.

1321
00:49:12,168 --> 00:49:14,633
The simple is for my planet beads hope.

1322
00:49:15,269 --> 00:49:16,621
I don't know. For me,

1323
00:49:18,688 --> 00:49:20,597
different audiences, I guess, I don't know. Like,

1324
00:49:20,676 --> 00:49:22,444
for for me, I prefer the dark and

1325
00:49:22,444 --> 00:49:24,282
gritty, I do. I just don't prefer my

1326
00:49:24,282 --> 00:49:26,839
dark and gritty for 3 hours straight without

1327
00:49:26,839 --> 00:49:30,376
any break out of levi or sense of

1328
00:49:30,516 --> 00:49:33,240
anything, but dark and grit. You know I

1329
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,149
know? So... Yeah. I get that.

1330
00:49:35,944 --> 00:49:37,853
There it again. I think that that's 1

1331
00:49:37,853 --> 00:49:40,252
of those things where... Instead of sending Selena

1332
00:49:40,411 --> 00:49:43,429
Kyle into the club as a as a...

1333
00:49:43,905 --> 00:49:46,130
What's the for plate. It's not a play.

1334
00:49:46,685 --> 00:49:48,777
Here plant. It is a plant Okay. I

1335
00:49:48,777 --> 00:49:50,376
thought those was are work. Instead of city

1336
00:49:50,776 --> 00:49:52,374
Kyle there. The... That would have been a

1337
00:49:52,374 --> 00:49:55,971
useful place for Bruce Wade, playboy persona to

1338
00:49:55,971 --> 00:49:57,818
come in. And then you can have him

1339
00:49:57,818 --> 00:49:59,830
like laugh at a making jokes and getting

1340
00:49:59,966 --> 00:50:02,512
information as he talks. And that would... But

1341
00:50:02,512 --> 00:50:05,230
see even that, it's this... Underground club where

1342
00:50:05,230 --> 00:50:06,661
people are there that aren't supposed to be

1343
00:50:06,661 --> 00:50:07,376
there, and it...

1344
00:50:08,092 --> 00:50:10,159
You know... I don't know. I I like,

1345
00:50:11,192 --> 00:50:12,623
you could've been joe matches if you did

1346
00:50:12,623 --> 00:50:14,868
that, though. It's That's true. But see even

1347
00:50:14,868 --> 00:50:16,382
then, Joe Matches is

1348
00:50:17,099 --> 00:50:19,011
you could play it in a comic way.

1349
00:50:19,489 --> 00:50:21,082
He could've he could've have been like, Hey,

1350
00:50:21,242 --> 00:50:23,567
you know, Joe Ba he out. Anyone get

1351
00:50:23,567 --> 00:50:25,482
wanna do a game of dice. It it

1352
00:50:25,482 --> 00:50:27,556
could have had about an ability to bring

1353
00:50:27,556 --> 00:50:30,427
in that levi. But instead because it's Sal

1354
00:50:30,586 --> 00:50:32,660
Kyle and S Kyle has this whole issue

1355
00:50:32,660 --> 00:50:34,752
with her dad and her ball, it made

1356
00:50:34,752 --> 00:50:36,590
it it kept it of the dark. So

1357
00:50:36,590 --> 00:50:38,987
to speak. Even been kinda quiet, Dallas. Don't

1358
00:50:38,987 --> 00:50:40,905
you got anything? This was your movie. My

1359
00:50:40,905 --> 00:50:42,671
dude? I mean, you guys have been talking

1360
00:50:42,671 --> 00:50:42,830
about.

1361
00:50:43,625 --> 00:50:45,214
I've there was no place for me to

1362
00:50:45,214 --> 00:50:46,962
jump in. It's like Playing Hops with with

1363
00:50:46,962 --> 00:50:47,757
the the flash year.

1364
00:50:50,715 --> 00:50:52,554
I mean, Bam was too busy trying to

1365
00:50:52,554 --> 00:50:54,315
fix a movie that he liked, which was

1366
00:50:54,315 --> 00:50:56,094
just confusing me. I

1367
00:50:56,795 --> 00:50:57,994
Well, the hot take.

1368
00:50:59,129 --> 00:51:00,724
I fell asleep during the lord of the

1369
00:51:00,724 --> 00:51:02,239
rings. I don't like those movies. I think

1370
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,712
they're boring. You heard feeling down. And I

1371
00:51:04,712 --> 00:51:07,025
can handle this being a longer movie than

1372
00:51:07,105 --> 00:51:08,700
I can the Lord of the rings.

1373
00:51:09,832 --> 00:51:11,508
The only time I'm I'm really up for

1374
00:51:11,508 --> 00:51:12,785
watching little rings is when my wife is

1375
00:51:12,785 --> 00:51:14,062
feel like, hey, We watch Little rings. Yeah.

1376
00:51:14,222 --> 00:51:15,738
Sure. I'll watch it with my wife,

1377
00:51:16,536 --> 00:51:18,860
because they're boring to me.

1378
00:51:20,133 --> 00:51:21,644
They're slow. And

1379
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,588
to quote, quote, my friend Paul Jay Powers,

1380
00:51:24,827 --> 00:51:25,861
it's slow and boring.

1381
00:51:26,434 --> 00:51:28,911
This, though, the action keeps going, things keep

1382
00:51:28,911 --> 00:51:29,550
moving in again.

1383
00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:33,066
Let me ask... Alright. I know you've fred

1384
00:51:33,066 --> 00:51:35,869
no man's land. But how much batman have

1385
00:51:35,869 --> 00:51:38,732
you actually read john and Branson? I I

1386
00:51:38,732 --> 00:51:40,164
don't know you're talking about with no man's

1387
00:51:40,164 --> 00:51:43,199
land. So... You've you've mentioned... Oh, you've mentioned

1388
00:51:43,597 --> 00:51:45,981
not no amazon. You've you've read the... Or

1389
00:51:45,981 --> 00:51:47,036
you know about

1390
00:51:47,967 --> 00:51:50,135
the... You've the... Oh, gosh. What is it

1391
00:51:50,135 --> 00:51:51,333
god? Nightfall?

1392
00:51:51,732 --> 00:51:53,887
Nightfall. He knows what Nightfall. Not no. I

1393
00:51:53,887 --> 00:51:56,223
have... I have all 3 nightfall.

1394
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:57,000
Right.

1395
00:51:57,813 --> 00:51:59,567
I've read the novel normalization of of a,

1396
00:51:59,726 --> 00:52:01,161
no man's land. I've not read the comics.

1397
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,749
Right. So besides that, John, and, Brian, how

1398
00:52:04,749 --> 00:52:07,015
much Batman have you guys? How much of

1399
00:52:07,149 --> 00:52:07,307
red?

1400
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:09,527
How much how many comics have I read

1401
00:52:09,527 --> 00:52:11,509
or how much of the narrative am I...

1402
00:52:11,668 --> 00:52:12,461
Do I know?

1403
00:52:13,984 --> 00:52:15,578
I feel like red would be a better

1404
00:52:15,578 --> 00:52:17,969
way of of consuming it, but narrative works

1405
00:52:17,969 --> 00:52:20,361
too. I know I know quite a bit

1406
00:52:20,361 --> 00:52:21,818
about the narrative. Mh.

1407
00:52:22,449 --> 00:52:25,004
As far as what I've actually read, it's

1408
00:52:25,004 --> 00:52:26,541
pretty much limited to

1409
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:28,436
the nightfall series,

1410
00:52:29,713 --> 00:52:30,453
my cousin

1411
00:52:30,911 --> 00:52:31,411
has

1412
00:52:31,883 --> 00:52:35,012
a lot of golden age and silver age

1413
00:52:35,389 --> 00:52:37,539
stuff, and I've poked through that quite a

1414
00:52:37,539 --> 00:52:38,336
bit. Mh.

1415
00:52:39,782 --> 00:52:41,236
Have you read you

1416
00:52:41,610 --> 00:52:43,041
or long Halloween by intense?

1417
00:52:43,756 --> 00:52:45,425
I was just about to get there. As

1418
00:52:45,425 --> 00:52:48,619
far as specific series though. Like, if you're

1419
00:52:48,619 --> 00:52:50,844
if you're gonna talk about multi book arcs.

1420
00:52:51,082 --> 00:52:51,582
Mh.

1421
00:52:52,036 --> 00:52:55,056
Then you're looking pretty much at the at

1422
00:52:55,056 --> 00:52:58,413
nightfall because I... Don't like the majority of

1423
00:52:58,413 --> 00:53:01,123
the superheroes on Dc, so I stay away

1424
00:53:01,123 --> 00:53:04,525
from crossover stuff or justice league. Sure. I

1425
00:53:04,724 --> 00:53:05,680
I've read nightfall.

1426
00:53:06,237 --> 00:53:06,976
I've read

1427
00:53:07,592 --> 00:53:09,526
ear 1. I've read Long Halloween.

1428
00:53:10,061 --> 00:53:10,699
I've read...

1429
00:53:11,496 --> 00:53:13,168
Now when you say nightfall, are you talking

1430
00:53:13,168 --> 00:53:15,411
about all 3 arc, of nightfall fall or

1431
00:53:15,411 --> 00:53:16,921
just. Okay. Yes.

1432
00:53:17,796 --> 00:53:20,418
Batman breaking John Paul Valley is Batman and

1433
00:53:20,418 --> 00:53:22,818
then Bruce Wayne coming back. Because back. Mh.

1434
00:53:23,215 --> 00:53:25,225
I've read that whole thing. Oh, I've read

1435
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:29,230
I've read second chances was is with it's

1436
00:53:29,429 --> 00:53:31,742
Jason Todd became Robin, a red, a lily

1437
00:53:31,742 --> 00:53:34,055
place dying, which is win tim Drake. Became

1438
00:53:34,135 --> 00:53:34,454
Robin.

1439
00:53:35,969 --> 00:53:38,043
Like I said a red, Long Halloween and

1440
00:53:38,043 --> 00:53:38,920
a red you're 1,

1441
00:53:39,651 --> 00:53:40,999
Red Robin year 1.

1442
00:53:42,586 --> 00:53:44,038
What was the 1 that happened

1443
00:53:44,648 --> 00:53:46,948
right before the long Halloween. Was that your

1444
00:53:46,948 --> 00:53:47,107
1?

1445
00:53:47,758 --> 00:53:47,918
No.

1446
00:53:49,273 --> 00:53:51,266
You're 1 separate. It's the...

1447
00:53:52,223 --> 00:53:53,579
Well, I mean, you could. I mean, it

1448
00:53:53,579 --> 00:53:55,572
is it is there, but you're thinking darker

1449
00:53:55,572 --> 00:53:56,130
victory probably.

1450
00:53:56,624 --> 00:53:58,942
I've read dark victory. Or, dark comes after,

1451
00:53:59,421 --> 00:54:01,419
long halloween. Okay. Then it comes after. I

1452
00:54:01,499 --> 00:54:03,577
I knew there was 1 besides long Halloween.

1453
00:54:04,616 --> 00:54:05,575
I've read dark victory.

1454
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:09,269
When new 52 came out, I followed the

1455
00:54:09,269 --> 00:54:11,349
series there for a little bit. Mh.

1456
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:12,789
I read the court of valves.

1457
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:15,030
A beautiful series.

1458
00:54:15,605 --> 00:54:17,204
I I enjoyed that 1. That was 1

1459
00:54:17,204 --> 00:54:18,405
of the 2 things...

1460
00:54:18,885 --> 00:54:20,164
Well actually, there's was a lot about the

1461
00:54:20,164 --> 00:54:20,804
do 52.

1462
00:54:24,178 --> 00:54:26,005
So, yeah, I've I've I've read quite a

1463
00:54:26,005 --> 00:54:28,625
bit of that bad colleagues. Right. So here's

1464
00:54:28,625 --> 00:54:30,634
deal. The the long Halloween

1465
00:54:31,007 --> 00:54:31,642
dark victory.

1466
00:54:33,243 --> 00:54:35,408
Year 1. Those are

1467
00:54:36,811 --> 00:54:38,793
those are... How do I put those? How

1468
00:54:38,793 --> 00:54:39,268
do I put this?

1469
00:54:39,919 --> 00:54:41,751
I feel like you guys are viewing this

1470
00:54:41,751 --> 00:54:44,719
through the lens of the stereotype of superhero

1471
00:54:45,096 --> 00:54:45,596
movies

1472
00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:48,281
and what the Stereotype what Batman is.

1473
00:54:49,571 --> 00:54:50,709
Which is often

1474
00:54:51,245 --> 00:54:53,180
looked at the lens of A

1475
00:54:53,557 --> 00:54:56,586
and threes and all those type of things,

1476
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:57,659
whereas

1477
00:54:58,039 --> 00:54:59,480
when I viewed this film,

1478
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:01,960
I'm viewing it through the lens of the

1479
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:02,679
long Halloween,

1480
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:06,300
year 1, where it's it's not

1481
00:55:06,774 --> 00:55:09,908
that goes in and gets all bash and,

1482
00:55:10,206 --> 00:55:12,680
you know, beats up, you know, does the

1483
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,696
superhero thing. He has been

1484
00:55:15,088 --> 00:55:16,704
a ground level hero

1485
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,275
for decades.

1486
00:55:19,709 --> 00:55:21,802
But the ground hero story

1487
00:55:22,275 --> 00:55:24,195
Don't get us, don't make movies.

1488
00:55:24,755 --> 00:55:27,575
Whereas this was the ground hero

1489
00:55:28,035 --> 00:55:31,248
that batman has always been, but he's not

1490
00:55:31,248 --> 00:55:32,524
been put out. So I feel like that's

1491
00:55:32,524 --> 00:55:35,076
part of the the disconnect that maybe you're

1492
00:55:35,076 --> 00:55:37,708
having or like, oh. He here's kind with

1493
00:55:37,708 --> 00:55:39,303
superior until the very end. No. Because he's

1494
00:55:39,303 --> 00:55:40,340
not necessarily a superhero.

1495
00:55:40,914 --> 00:55:42,991
He's a vigilant... That that that was that

1496
00:55:42,991 --> 00:55:44,269
was the point I was trying to make

1497
00:55:44,269 --> 00:55:46,986
earlier was if you're gonna have him become

1498
00:55:46,986 --> 00:55:48,993
the superhero at the end. To do it

1499
00:55:48,993 --> 00:55:49,706
on purpose.

1500
00:55:50,340 --> 00:55:52,322
I think that you don't. The whole point

1501
00:55:52,322 --> 00:55:53,590
at the front end of it was Murray

1502
00:55:53,590 --> 00:55:56,143
opening words was I am the shadows. He

1503
00:55:56,143 --> 00:55:58,717
was a myth, the legend. People were scared

1504
00:55:59,094 --> 00:56:00,052
because in the first 2 years,

1505
00:56:01,009 --> 00:56:03,083
in the first couple years of the Batman

1506
00:56:03,083 --> 00:56:05,769
lore. He is the shadow. He is the

1507
00:56:05,889 --> 00:56:08,197
the thing in the dark, and people didn't

1508
00:56:08,197 --> 00:56:09,710
know where he would come out of, which

1509
00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:11,222
is why there was fear all the time.

1510
00:56:11,461 --> 00:56:13,451
But at the end, he goes published shadow,

1511
00:56:13,944 --> 00:56:16,498
he becomes the light leading people out of

1512
00:56:16,498 --> 00:56:16,898
darkness.

1513
00:56:17,376 --> 00:56:18,973
Okay. I I get that. And and that

1514
00:56:18,973 --> 00:56:20,250
was the purpose I thought they were going

1515
00:56:20,250 --> 00:56:21,847
with, and I was excited because I would

1516
00:56:21,847 --> 00:56:24,674
love to see that. Mh. But then he

1517
00:56:25,290 --> 00:56:27,124
casually waltz us into the middle of a

1518
00:56:27,124 --> 00:56:29,834
gang fight, and they're not scared of. They

1519
00:56:29,834 --> 00:56:30,552
think he's funny.

1520
00:56:31,363 --> 00:56:33,743
When he goes to confront Oswald cobb pot,

1521
00:56:33,902 --> 00:56:35,568
he knocks on the front door of the

1522
00:56:35,568 --> 00:56:38,345
club. Mh. He doesn't sneak in. He knocks

1523
00:56:38,345 --> 00:56:39,590
on the front door the club

1524
00:56:40,747 --> 00:56:41,247
when

1525
00:56:41,864 --> 00:56:42,364
he

1526
00:56:42,982 --> 00:56:45,456
tries to solve the riddle question before the

1527
00:56:45,456 --> 00:56:45,855
bulb,

1528
00:56:46,334 --> 00:56:48,583
they take him to a police station. And

1529
00:56:48,583 --> 00:56:50,574
and how he is laying unconscious in that

1530
00:56:50,574 --> 00:56:52,088
police station and a room pool of cops

1531
00:56:52,088 --> 00:56:53,760
that hate him and his mask is still

1532
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,787
on, makes 0 sense to me. Mh. And

1533
00:56:56,787 --> 00:56:57,026
then,

1534
00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:59,277
see by the it... So by the end

1535
00:56:59,277 --> 00:56:59,917
of the movie,

1536
00:57:00,476 --> 00:57:02,634
like, for for a Batman who has built

1537
00:57:02,634 --> 00:57:05,271
this persona of but here you're so afraid

1538
00:57:05,271 --> 00:57:07,282
they'll see me in the shadows, there's spent

1539
00:57:07,282 --> 00:57:09,195
a lot of time not sneaking around. Right.

1540
00:57:09,434 --> 00:57:11,029
But he he does.

1541
00:57:11,667 --> 00:57:13,739
Again, this is still the new... He's still

1542
00:57:13,739 --> 00:57:15,984
becoming the batman. There's So if you go

1543
00:57:15,984 --> 00:57:17,732
back go back to year 1, he still

1544
00:57:17,732 --> 00:57:20,037
freaking the stuff out. And he still is

1545
00:57:20,037 --> 00:57:22,262
unsure of himself. He hasn't built everything. There's

1546
00:57:22,262 --> 00:57:23,772
only pockets that know.

1547
00:57:24,344 --> 00:57:25,063
There's rumors.

1548
00:57:25,703 --> 00:57:28,020
So that the the the the group of

1549
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:30,177
thugs, they're young kids who are just, you

1550
00:57:30,177 --> 00:57:31,775
know, they're out kicks. And They see him,

1551
00:57:32,349 --> 00:57:32,849
And,

1552
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:35,309
you know, the 1 kid though, he sees

1553
00:57:35,309 --> 00:57:37,309
the bat symbol, and there's fear. Like, he's

1554
00:57:37,309 --> 00:57:38,909
gripped by the fear of the symbol itself

1555
00:57:38,909 --> 00:57:40,998
in the sky. He goes, this isn't right.

1556
00:57:41,315 --> 00:57:42,054
And then

1557
00:57:42,507 --> 00:57:44,653
that might comes in kicks butt. So again,

1558
00:57:44,812 --> 00:57:46,083
we're still at the sc level with him

1559
00:57:46,083 --> 00:57:48,005
becoming who he's supposed to be. Jump forward

1560
00:57:48,005 --> 00:57:48,959
to the whole thing about,

1561
00:57:50,469 --> 00:57:52,138
you brought the whole thing with him punching

1562
00:57:52,138 --> 00:57:53,330
into the the

1563
00:57:54,125 --> 00:57:55,952
the the go after the penguin in the

1564
00:57:55,952 --> 00:57:59,156
lair. Again, that was that young batman, what

1565
00:57:59,156 --> 00:58:01,070
you said front end. Like, he doesn't know

1566
00:58:01,070 --> 00:58:02,427
who he is yet. He hasn't figured our

1567
00:58:02,427 --> 00:58:05,160
thing out, but he's learning about fear and

1568
00:58:05,298 --> 00:58:07,381
intimidation at the same time. So I guess

1569
00:58:07,381 --> 00:58:09,524
what I guess what I'm saying is if

1570
00:58:09,524 --> 00:58:11,508
if you're gonna play the young angle and

1571
00:58:11,508 --> 00:58:13,889
he's just starting out, then I don't think

1572
00:58:13,889 --> 00:58:14,524
that he...

1573
00:58:15,254 --> 00:58:17,329
Would have had enough time to make himself

1574
00:58:17,329 --> 00:58:19,405
enough of an urban legend that people would

1575
00:58:19,405 --> 00:58:20,922
be afraid of seeing him in the shadows.

1576
00:58:21,241 --> 00:58:22,598
Like I I guess that's what it is

1577
00:58:22,598 --> 00:58:24,195
is the 2 ideas are conflicting.

1578
00:58:24,847 --> 00:58:26,596
Either he's been around long enough that people

1579
00:58:26,596 --> 00:58:29,060
are afraid of him, or he's so brand

1580
00:58:29,060 --> 00:58:31,445
new that legend of the batman hasn't become

1581
00:58:31,445 --> 00:58:33,209
a thing yet. But it seems like they

1582
00:58:33,209 --> 00:58:35,037
tried to do both in the movie, and

1583
00:58:35,037 --> 00:58:36,627
it feels like the 2 ideas were fighting

1584
00:58:36,627 --> 00:58:38,058
each jesse see. I don't think so. Again,

1585
00:58:38,137 --> 00:58:39,648
he's been around for 2 years doing this.

1586
00:58:39,966 --> 00:58:42,286
I mean, in 2... 2 years span. There's

1587
00:58:42,286 --> 00:58:44,115
time for things to reach out and remember,

1588
00:58:44,353 --> 00:58:45,307
Got massive.

1589
00:58:45,784 --> 00:58:49,202
Got is not S, Louisiana. It's not spokane.

1590
00:58:49,854 --> 00:58:50,834
It it is

1591
00:58:51,293 --> 00:58:52,272
it is smoke.

1592
00:58:52,890 --> 00:58:54,988
Sp spokane. It is literally

1593
00:58:55,846 --> 00:58:56,885
New York City.

1594
00:58:58,017 --> 00:59:01,049
Brought into the space. And is so compact.

1595
00:59:01,289 --> 00:59:03,284
And, again, he's in the darkness. He's in

1596
00:59:03,284 --> 00:59:05,453
the... He's at at nighttime and he can't

1597
00:59:05,453 --> 00:59:07,149
be... And he says that I can't be

1598
00:59:07,208 --> 00:59:08,882
everywhere. And so he has to choose where

1599
00:59:08,882 --> 00:59:11,036
he does go. Yeah. And so the legends

1600
00:59:11,036 --> 00:59:12,791
be beginning to grow there, but he's not

1601
00:59:12,791 --> 00:59:14,545
there. Now. The the scene with the cops.

1602
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,380
That scene is explained to me for me

1603
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,360
because of the fact that half the cut

1604
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:19,860
force

1605
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,920
and you see this in the comics, they're

1606
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,092
like, we're with Gordon. This is a good

1607
00:59:24,092 --> 00:59:25,531
guy. We're not gonna check with them. But

1608
00:59:25,531 --> 00:59:27,689
then there's the other half that's like, we're

1609
00:59:27,689 --> 00:59:28,887
on top Cohen payroll.

1610
00:59:30,166 --> 00:59:31,939
Right. And then you had those like, and

1611
00:59:31,939 --> 00:59:33,376
we don't see him minute it, but Bullock,

1612
00:59:33,535 --> 00:59:35,849
Mh who... He's just a good cop, but

1613
00:59:35,849 --> 00:59:37,526
he does... He's, like, he's like, visualize his

1614
00:59:37,526 --> 00:59:39,542
period. U. And so

1615
00:59:40,574 --> 00:59:43,762
And so III see that as working at

1616
00:59:43,762 --> 00:59:46,552
myself personally. Maybe it's just a maybe it's

1617
00:59:46,552 --> 00:59:49,513
just a difference in storytelling style. You but

1618
00:59:49,513 --> 00:59:51,102
like it to be black and white. You

1619
00:59:51,102 --> 00:59:53,326
want to be, like, bam. Here... He's a

1620
00:59:53,326 --> 00:59:55,074
he's a sludge. But now he is hope.

1621
00:59:55,630 --> 00:59:58,354
And and John's just like, he's

1622
00:59:59,141 --> 01:00:02,163
Gun Gritty superhero who's beating up everybody, and

1623
01:00:02,243 --> 01:00:04,152
I'm trying to go like, but he's a

1624
01:00:04,152 --> 01:00:06,697
ground level dude who's figuring life out still.

1625
01:00:07,268 --> 01:00:09,360
Yeah. I guess. I I guess

1626
01:00:09,974 --> 01:00:12,759
III guess that makes sense. I just... I

1627
01:00:12,759 --> 01:00:14,351
don't know. Like I said, I I thought

1628
01:00:14,351 --> 01:00:16,992
it was a missed opportunity to... Sure. To...

1629
01:00:17,311 --> 01:00:18,746
I like your idea. I like the idea

1630
01:00:18,746 --> 01:00:21,217
of him working those suit and becoming... It's

1631
01:00:21,217 --> 01:00:22,972
the 1 with the the yellow on it.

1632
01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:24,805
I I love that idea legitimately.

1633
01:00:25,694 --> 01:00:27,363
That would require the Robin though in my

1634
01:00:27,363 --> 01:00:30,065
opinion, the raw figure. I don't want or

1635
01:00:30,065 --> 01:00:30,463
robin.

1636
01:00:31,019 --> 01:00:33,721
That's okay. We do. Okay. So I...

1637
01:00:34,134 --> 01:00:36,691
I was so... I was so terrified that

1638
01:00:36,691 --> 01:00:38,070
they were gonna make the

1639
01:00:38,449 --> 01:00:38,949
mayor's

1640
01:00:39,647 --> 01:00:40,147
kid

1641
01:00:40,606 --> 01:00:42,614
become Robin. No I was that was actually

1642
01:00:42,614 --> 01:00:44,047
a bee. That was, like, so many he

1643
01:00:44,047 --> 01:00:44,366
beeps.

1644
01:00:44,923 --> 01:00:46,755
That way I wouldn't be and then injustice

1645
01:00:46,755 --> 01:00:48,268
as to the robin character as a whole.

1646
01:00:48,826 --> 01:00:49,803
There's no

1647
01:00:50,354 --> 01:00:53,168
there's no robin that that could fit in

1648
01:00:53,626 --> 01:00:54,184
at all.

1649
01:00:55,222 --> 01:00:57,137
Dick Grayson when it fit in, Drake when

1650
01:00:57,137 --> 01:00:57,616
it fit in,

1651
01:00:58,588 --> 01:01:00,581
Todd wouldn't work in. Carrie would not work

1652
01:01:00,581 --> 01:01:02,095
in. I mean, none of it works Yeah.

1653
01:01:02,334 --> 01:01:03,131
Certainly not Damien.

1654
01:01:03,689 --> 01:01:03,929
So,

1655
01:01:04,726 --> 01:01:07,213
that would be a uttered justice. So hot

1656
01:01:07,213 --> 01:01:09,767
take, and, and may get the steak for

1657
01:01:09,847 --> 01:01:12,880
Balance for this. I actually like Robin as

1658
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:13,519
a character,

1659
01:01:14,078 --> 01:01:15,355
better than Batman.

1660
01:01:15,769 --> 01:01:16,889
I can see you that I at.

1661
01:01:18,010 --> 01:01:18,570
That checks for you.

1662
01:01:20,010 --> 01:01:22,809
I mean, Actually, I I have a collection

1663
01:01:22,809 --> 01:01:23,050
of...

1664
01:01:23,703 --> 01:01:24,203
All

1665
01:01:24,660 --> 01:01:27,132
of the issues, now when you say Robin

1666
01:01:27,132 --> 01:01:29,364
or do you mean night wing? He probably

1667
01:01:29,523 --> 01:01:31,995
Robin. Robin, like specifically Robin.

1668
01:01:32,646 --> 01:01:33,146
Because

1669
01:01:33,598 --> 01:01:34,495
each Robin

1670
01:01:34,869 --> 01:01:36,163
has his own

1671
01:01:36,695 --> 01:01:38,839
flare, his own story that I that I

1672
01:01:38,839 --> 01:01:42,349
found interesting. Yeah. I find it he's he's

1673
01:01:42,349 --> 01:01:43,564
a legacy character

1674
01:01:43,938 --> 01:01:47,433
without being a legacy character. Mh. Like, every

1675
01:01:47,433 --> 01:01:48,307
every character.

1676
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:51,596
Becomes Robin, and that's their introduction into the

1677
01:01:51,596 --> 01:01:53,994
superhero world, and then they eventually grow out

1678
01:01:53,994 --> 01:01:55,512
of the role and become their own person,

1679
01:01:55,671 --> 01:01:57,110
but Robin is the way they step in.

1680
01:01:57,525 --> 01:01:58,883
And that it is an idea if I

1681
01:01:58,883 --> 01:02:01,440
find interesting. The only person that stopped being

1682
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,597
Robin, that I hated that they stopped me

1683
01:02:03,677 --> 01:02:05,435
Robin because it never really became anything else

1684
01:02:05,435 --> 01:02:08,085
was Tim drake. Like, yeah. He became. Drake

1685
01:02:08,085 --> 01:02:11,039
became Red Robin, which is just... It's still

1686
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:13,615
Robin. I think that that was a a

1687
01:02:13,674 --> 01:02:15,829
decision made because they realized we can't age

1688
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:18,884
ages people too much. Yeah. I mean, Todd

1689
01:02:18,939 --> 01:02:19,733
is a,

1690
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,039
I mean, a psycho path, but

1691
01:02:23,875 --> 01:02:25,625
You know he died. He came back. He's

1692
01:02:25,625 --> 01:02:28,727
got some Ptsd going on. Yeah. He doesn't

1693
01:02:28,727 --> 01:02:31,455
let clowns anymore. And so he's got very.

1694
01:02:33,274 --> 01:02:35,021
You know, he... He is the... And... But

1695
01:02:35,021 --> 01:02:37,324
that same time, like, what I love about

1696
01:02:37,324 --> 01:02:39,150
the different Robins though is that they all

1697
01:02:39,150 --> 01:02:42,831
are different... Aspects of who Batman is. Yes.

1698
01:02:43,150 --> 01:02:45,702
It Drake is the is the detective.

1699
01:02:46,260 --> 01:02:47,558
Todd is the

1700
01:02:48,813 --> 01:02:50,504
the... What do you call it? He is

1701
01:02:50,504 --> 01:02:51,004
the

1702
01:02:51,463 --> 01:02:53,322
the the the gruesome,

1703
01:02:53,701 --> 01:02:54,579
the hard edge,

1704
01:02:55,219 --> 01:02:55,539
the

1705
01:02:56,098 --> 01:02:58,815
I'm here to just hit everyone in the

1706
01:02:58,815 --> 01:02:59,055
face.

1707
01:03:00,583 --> 01:03:03,367
Whereas Dick is the, I care about people.

1708
01:03:04,162 --> 01:03:06,230
Aspect of Who bruce is, Damian, though,

1709
01:03:06,804 --> 01:03:09,125
he's the he's the the Wow card because

1710
01:03:09,125 --> 01:03:10,804
we're not really sure. He's still growing into

1711
01:03:10,804 --> 01:03:14,005
his personality. He's this heart ninja who was

1712
01:03:14,005 --> 01:03:16,920
raised by his his grandmother... Ours grandfather

1713
01:03:17,219 --> 01:03:19,460
to to hate the world, but now he's

1714
01:03:19,460 --> 01:03:21,059
learning to accept this new role as,

1715
01:03:22,514 --> 01:03:24,502
as a wan in trying to figure out

1716
01:03:24,502 --> 01:03:26,809
what that means for him. And III really

1717
01:03:26,809 --> 01:03:28,502
find his character be fascinating

1718
01:03:28,877 --> 01:03:29,329
altogether

1719
01:03:29,688 --> 01:03:32,023
Tim Drake is my a favorite Robin because

1720
01:03:32,241 --> 01:03:34,554
wood, he figures out who batman is. Hey,

1721
01:03:34,713 --> 01:03:37,425
guys. Yeah. Can we talk about the movie

1722
01:03:37,425 --> 01:03:39,315
we actually watched instead of just

1723
01:03:40,949 --> 01:03:43,125
Alright. Alright. We'll we'll we'll we'll save that

1724
01:03:43,183 --> 01:03:44,698
conversation for a comm talk. We'll have a

1725
01:03:44,698 --> 01:03:45,974
special Robin edition Comm talk.

1726
01:03:47,809 --> 01:03:48,846
I do wanna to say though,

1727
01:03:49,499 --> 01:03:51,571
go back to the idea of batman the

1728
01:03:51,571 --> 01:03:51,890
detective.

1729
01:03:52,448 --> 01:03:52,948
When

1730
01:03:53,484 --> 01:03:55,318
I realized that he was wearing,

1731
01:03:56,514 --> 01:03:57,231
recording lenses,

1732
01:03:57,724 --> 01:04:00,109
Mh. And him being at the crime scene

1733
01:04:00,109 --> 01:04:02,255
just looking around and taking everything in, and

1734
01:04:02,255 --> 01:04:04,242
then he find out after the fact, he's

1735
01:04:04,242 --> 01:04:05,912
doing that so he can go back and

1736
01:04:05,912 --> 01:04:06,627
review the footage.

1737
01:04:07,279 --> 01:04:10,711
And actually like investigate. Mh. I thought was

1738
01:04:10,711 --> 01:04:13,025
next level genius. Oh, yeah. Like, when I

1739
01:04:13,025 --> 01:04:15,021
when I first saw that theaters, I actually

1740
01:04:15,021 --> 01:04:16,793
did, like, Oh, no way.

1741
01:04:17,353 --> 01:04:18,971
Because I thought that was a bit... Because

1742
01:04:19,030 --> 01:04:20,229
he he looked at it him I and

1743
01:04:20,229 --> 01:04:22,067
he he's this stoic figure in the room

1744
01:04:22,067 --> 01:04:25,114
just kinda taken everything in. Mh. And then

1745
01:04:25,114 --> 01:04:27,098
you're like, you know, what's what's the deal

1746
01:04:27,098 --> 01:04:29,081
he's just staying there. And then you realize

1747
01:04:29,081 --> 01:04:31,382
that he's deliberately looking at everything.

1748
01:04:31,954 --> 01:04:33,792
So that he can't investigate in that he

1749
01:04:33,792 --> 01:04:36,109
can look into it. Mh. And I thought

1750
01:04:36,109 --> 01:04:39,065
that was a meat, modern take on the

1751
01:04:39,065 --> 01:04:41,239
detective batman. Yeah. That you've got a little

1752
01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:43,239
bit of that modern technology, but it's still

1753
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:45,480
the old school detective work. Yeah. But at

1754
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,000
the same time, he's still z, like, he's

1755
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,079
the 1 that saw the the hatching of...

1756
01:04:49,414 --> 01:04:51,329
The tool and he's, like, he's picking out

1757
01:04:51,329 --> 01:04:53,245
small details as he goes.

1758
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:56,677
I was gonna say something and I completely

1759
01:04:56,677 --> 01:04:59,003
lost my train I thought. It's calm. Okay.

1760
01:04:59,241 --> 01:04:59,719
Never mind then.

1761
01:05:00,992 --> 01:05:03,220
I have a thought. Oh, yeah. Certainly. It's

1762
01:05:03,220 --> 01:05:03,458
coli.

1763
01:05:04,175 --> 01:05:05,073
The this

1764
01:05:05,463 --> 01:05:06,659
1 thought that came to me when I

1765
01:05:06,659 --> 01:05:08,812
was watching this movie, after they laid everything

1766
01:05:08,812 --> 01:05:11,922
out, they whole they completely wholesale ripped off

1767
01:05:11,922 --> 01:05:14,487
the narrative from the telltale game. The first

1768
01:05:14,487 --> 01:05:16,477
telltale game. So Haven't finished that 1 yet.

1769
01:05:17,353 --> 01:05:18,706
I've haven't enjoyed it. I haven't finished it.

1770
01:05:18,945 --> 01:05:21,094
But It's same story. All they did was

1771
01:05:21,094 --> 01:05:21,651
add Riddle,

1772
01:05:22,143 --> 01:05:24,391
Yeah. Adding in the the Falcon

1773
01:05:25,242 --> 01:05:27,069
connection there. You're right. I forgot about that.

1774
01:05:28,182 --> 01:05:30,248
Exact... There's a lot it's the exact same

1775
01:05:30,248 --> 01:05:32,090
story. There's a lot of stuff that they're

1776
01:05:32,090 --> 01:05:33,862
pulling. I mean, the whole thing with selena

1777
01:05:34,316 --> 01:05:34,713
and

1778
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:35,770
in

1779
01:05:36,462 --> 01:05:38,608
the girl, Annie, which was... Her name was

1780
01:05:38,847 --> 01:05:40,770
Angel in the comic. It's the same thing.

1781
01:05:40,929 --> 01:05:43,554
The connection was for this? Well, in year

1782
01:05:43,554 --> 01:05:44,349
1, it was...

1783
01:05:45,622 --> 01:05:48,499
Yeah, you meet Selena. And she has a

1784
01:05:48,499 --> 01:05:49,929
there's a young girl that she works with

1785
01:05:49,929 --> 01:05:53,925
name, named Angel. And there's a... This this

1786
01:05:53,981 --> 01:05:55,253
kind of, like, care,

1787
01:05:56,063 --> 01:05:57,494
in the comics that plays out more of

1788
01:05:57,494 --> 01:06:00,119
a of a big sister type situation caring

1789
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:02,998
for, and she ends up getting hurt, in

1790
01:06:02,998 --> 01:06:04,533
that also. And then

1791
01:06:05,226 --> 01:06:07,773
there's also the connection with falcon ko, which

1792
01:06:07,773 --> 01:06:09,763
you see play out in year 1. At

1793
01:06:09,763 --> 01:06:12,093
you're 1. I'm sorry. And the long Halloween

1794
01:06:12,483 --> 01:06:15,369
where she actually goes off to to investigate

1795
01:06:15,505 --> 01:06:17,674
that in a separate book called

1796
01:06:18,606 --> 01:06:20,608
something Rome. I forgot what was called. Wait.

1797
01:06:20,767 --> 01:06:23,472
Now doesn't Falcon become the black mask though.

1798
01:06:24,427 --> 01:06:26,415
It's sun incident it? It was supposed to

1799
01:06:26,415 --> 01:06:28,744
be falcon. I thought. I'm gonna Google it

1800
01:06:28,744 --> 01:06:30,585
because I remember. The black we asked is

1801
01:06:30,585 --> 01:06:32,105
1 of the Italian families, but I thought

1802
01:06:32,105 --> 01:06:33,625
it was the son of 1 of the

1803
01:06:33,625 --> 01:06:34,025
monsters.

1804
01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:37,480
Me watching the 2 the 2

1805
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:40,280
actual comic book nerds, just go to town

1806
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,360
on their computers after I just dropped out

1807
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,411
on. They're, like, It's a Roman Cia. Robert

1808
01:06:45,571 --> 01:06:47,648
Cia. So it's not any of that. Mh.

1809
01:06:47,968 --> 01:06:49,806
Famous chrome. At least tested to the new

1810
01:06:49,806 --> 01:06:50,205
52.

1811
01:06:50,697 --> 01:06:52,603
So Alt you go, yep, Row sail that's

1812
01:06:52,603 --> 01:06:54,907
how he across board. Mh. Ion was it...

1813
01:06:55,066 --> 01:06:56,972
That that was right now now I'm remembering.

1814
01:06:57,289 --> 01:06:57,448
Mh.

1815
01:06:58,878 --> 01:06:59,831
So I pulled that back.

1816
01:07:00,882 --> 01:07:01,360
I was like,

1817
01:07:02,157 --> 01:07:03,672
I mean, because again, the think about... What...

1818
01:07:04,151 --> 01:07:05,586
This is part of the reason why I

1819
01:07:05,586 --> 01:07:08,137
love this so much is this wasn't. He's

1820
01:07:08,137 --> 01:07:10,148
finding the penguin. It's not well, yes. He's

1821
01:07:10,148 --> 01:07:11,746
fighting the brother, but it's not it's not

1822
01:07:11,746 --> 01:07:13,903
the riddle yet. He's not fighting the joker.

1823
01:07:14,463 --> 01:07:15,282
He's fighting

1824
01:07:15,661 --> 01:07:18,074
Falcon. He's you know, on the back end

1825
01:07:18,074 --> 01:07:19,114
of dealing with Moron,

1826
01:07:19,675 --> 01:07:22,714
This is a street level detective he's dealing

1827
01:07:22,714 --> 01:07:24,474
with thugs and and the mob and stuff

1828
01:07:24,474 --> 01:07:27,360
like that. I like this version this version

1829
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,230
of the penguin as the organized criminal who

1830
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:32,462
runs the the night club. That's my favorite

1831
01:07:32,462 --> 01:07:34,070
version of the penguin. I'll tell you this

1832
01:07:34,070 --> 01:07:36,695
much. I enjoy this penguin so much more

1833
01:07:36,695 --> 01:07:39,638
than Danny Da penguin. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah.

1834
01:07:39,956 --> 01:07:41,559
Absolutely. That's not hard. That... And that's not

1835
01:07:41,559 --> 01:07:44,020
a dig against Danny Devi. He acted his

1836
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:45,846
butt off. He he he took what he

1837
01:07:45,846 --> 01:07:47,353
was handed and he did with the best

1838
01:07:47,353 --> 01:07:49,754
with what he could. Yeah. That's speaking of

1839
01:07:49,754 --> 01:07:51,432
which did you know that he actually ate

1840
01:07:51,432 --> 01:07:51,911
that fish?

1841
01:07:52,631 --> 01:07:55,028
Raw. Like did That that that was wisely.

1842
01:07:55,268 --> 01:07:57,926
That was 100 percent. Really did. Wow.

1843
01:07:59,597 --> 01:08:01,590
Kudos to him for being so dedicated. I...

1844
01:08:02,388 --> 01:08:04,462
Yeah. It... For for the listeners at home,

1845
01:08:04,621 --> 01:08:07,413
the look on bam face right now. 100

1846
01:08:07,413 --> 01:08:08,370
percent priceless.

1847
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:11,809
Yeah. The the whole thing with him being

1848
01:08:11,809 --> 01:08:14,061
so penguin like. That was purely

1849
01:08:14,438 --> 01:08:16,906
Burton design in that whole that whole movie.

1850
01:08:18,277 --> 01:08:21,249
And again, it's... The the early nineties

1851
01:08:21,786 --> 01:08:23,381
movies as much as I love them for

1852
01:08:23,381 --> 01:08:24,976
nostalgia reasons. They got away so much from

1853
01:08:24,976 --> 01:08:26,992
the source Material became 2

1854
01:08:27,465 --> 01:08:30,345
they became characters of themselves and... Became too

1855
01:08:30,345 --> 01:08:32,824
comic book. Yeah. But even not but even

1856
01:08:32,824 --> 01:08:34,744
not really like the comic books themselves.

1857
01:08:36,114 --> 01:08:37,309
You know, 1 of the reasons why I

1858
01:08:37,309 --> 01:08:39,698
love Jack Nicholson as the joker is not

1859
01:08:39,698 --> 01:08:41,073
just because he is

1860
01:08:41,927 --> 01:08:43,281
my first joker.

1861
01:08:43,775 --> 01:08:46,015
But because he was the last person to

1862
01:08:46,015 --> 01:08:47,395
play the joker that was

1863
01:08:47,935 --> 01:08:48,994
legitimately sadistic

1864
01:08:49,375 --> 01:08:52,028
and an actual mobs or crime boss. Yes.

1865
01:08:52,345 --> 01:08:54,972
Ledger was cute. Ledger was a cool character,

1866
01:08:55,131 --> 01:08:55,847
but with

1867
01:08:56,405 --> 01:08:57,382
flat the

1868
01:08:58,235 --> 01:09:00,081
I'm gonna get flat for this. The only

1869
01:09:00,081 --> 01:09:01,831
reason people think he was the greatest is

1870
01:09:01,831 --> 01:09:03,364
because he died. I.

1871
01:09:03,819 --> 01:09:06,206
I disagree. He was a good character.

1872
01:09:06,618 --> 01:09:08,442
He did a great job playing sadistic, but

1873
01:09:08,442 --> 01:09:09,417
he was not

1874
01:09:09,869 --> 01:09:12,090
a good... He was not the end all

1875
01:09:12,090 --> 01:09:12,962
of the joker.

1876
01:09:13,516 --> 01:09:14,152
What wasn't?

1877
01:09:14,724 --> 01:09:16,881
What is the Joker title? He is the

1878
01:09:16,881 --> 01:09:20,817
cloud prince of crime. The cloud prince of

1879
01:09:20,876 --> 01:09:21,195
crime.

1880
01:09:21,847 --> 01:09:25,507
Jack Nicholson joker was actually a criminal. Heath

1881
01:09:25,507 --> 01:09:27,814
fled joker was a psycho path. He was

1882
01:09:27,814 --> 01:09:29,822
an ana artist. Yeah. He was an ana.

1883
01:09:29,980 --> 01:09:33,113
So if we wanna hold to the joker

1884
01:09:33,649 --> 01:09:34,149
origins,

1885
01:09:35,324 --> 01:09:37,079
then you've got to have some kind of

1886
01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:39,808
a criminal element. He's gotta what like, the

1887
01:09:39,808 --> 01:09:43,004
the joker... The classic joker would torch mountain

1888
01:09:43,004 --> 01:09:44,522
in and full of bunny just for the

1889
01:09:44,522 --> 01:09:45,481
heck of it. Mh.

1890
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,519
Hang on. Let let let let's let's let's

1891
01:09:48,519 --> 01:09:50,025
walk... Let's walk that back a little bit.

1892
01:09:51,691 --> 01:09:54,150
Me not being as versed in the older

1893
01:09:54,150 --> 01:09:54,650
comics

1894
01:09:55,037 --> 01:09:56,863
the comics I've read that have had the

1895
01:09:56,863 --> 01:09:58,689
joker in there. He has been a sadistic

1896
01:09:58,689 --> 01:09:59,959
psycho path. Mh.

1897
01:10:00,515 --> 01:10:02,896
So I'm not sure where the whole mafia

1898
01:10:02,896 --> 01:10:04,981
bit comes from as far as the joker

1899
01:10:04,981 --> 01:10:05,700
is concerned,

1900
01:10:06,977 --> 01:10:08,333
admit. Like I said,

1901
01:10:09,052 --> 01:10:10,967
well, not... I don't even need to feel

1902
01:10:10,967 --> 01:10:12,659
bad about this. There is so much batman

1903
01:10:12,659 --> 01:10:15,479
out there that I can't. Yeah. But but

1904
01:10:15,699 --> 01:10:17,780
the joker that I'm aware of from the

1905
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:20,739
comics has always been the heath ledger joker.

1906
01:10:21,234 --> 01:10:23,732
I think that the heath blood joker was

1907
01:10:23,792 --> 01:10:26,349
a... Or rather or rather a form of

1908
01:10:26,349 --> 01:10:27,947
the heath leather. It was a form of

1909
01:10:27,947 --> 01:10:30,436
the heath fled joker. He was Heath heath

1910
01:10:30,436 --> 01:10:32,906
fled let basically took the joker that I'm

1911
01:10:32,906 --> 01:10:34,181
familiar with and took it out to the

1912
01:10:34,181 --> 01:10:35,456
nth degree, basically.

1913
01:10:36,252 --> 01:10:38,323
So here... Here's where I... Where... How I

1914
01:10:38,323 --> 01:10:40,885
will place everything out. The heath ledger joker

1915
01:10:40,885 --> 01:10:43,692
is a great character of the

1916
01:10:44,623 --> 01:10:47,167
the sadistic side of who he was.

1917
01:10:47,898 --> 01:10:49,564
There was always a level of him being

1918
01:10:49,564 --> 01:10:50,619
organized criminal

1919
01:10:51,150 --> 01:10:51,388
in,

1920
01:10:52,261 --> 01:10:52,761
before

1921
01:10:53,847 --> 01:10:55,512
things got weird in the mid nineties.

1922
01:10:56,881 --> 01:10:57,381
They

1923
01:10:58,156 --> 01:10:59,033
or say else.

1924
01:11:00,307 --> 01:11:03,416
The comma code did some interesting things. Branson

1925
01:11:03,416 --> 01:11:03,916
will

1926
01:11:04,784 --> 01:11:06,771
proudly show the comma code tattoo on his

1927
01:11:06,771 --> 01:11:08,361
left butt shake if you want. Ask him

1928
01:11:08,361 --> 01:11:11,222
to. Because he loves it. But I I

1929
01:11:11,222 --> 01:11:13,395
don't I don't love what it became. I

1930
01:11:13,395 --> 01:11:15,795
love the idea behind it. The but that's

1931
01:11:15,795 --> 01:11:17,635
the thing. What it became. What it became,

1932
01:11:19,155 --> 01:11:22,119
caused a the the stories to become...

1933
01:11:23,632 --> 01:11:25,940
Well, they, like, the Adam West of of

1934
01:11:25,940 --> 01:11:27,930
everything. Yeah. Adam West was.

1935
01:11:28,343 --> 01:11:28,422
Yeah.

1936
01:11:29,217 --> 01:11:30,670
Adam West is batman,

1937
01:11:31,203 --> 01:11:33,983
the... What the people realizing out the entire

1938
01:11:33,983 --> 01:11:34,539
undertone was,

1939
01:11:35,175 --> 01:11:36,922
look, This is the common code. This is

1940
01:11:36,922 --> 01:11:37,796
how things are.

1941
01:11:39,003 --> 01:11:40,990
Type of thing. They're pulling up the Hilarious

1942
01:11:40,990 --> 01:11:42,365
of it. And so

1943
01:11:42,819 --> 01:11:45,921
because Comp that was the the view that

1944
01:11:45,921 --> 01:11:47,431
the general audience had,

1945
01:11:48,003 --> 01:11:49,695
they introduced more of that silliness

1946
01:11:50,546 --> 01:11:51,523
into the comics

1947
01:11:52,295 --> 01:11:54,917
as time progressed. On the flip side of

1948
01:11:54,917 --> 01:11:57,182
that, Burton comes out with

1949
01:11:58,274 --> 01:12:00,822
the batman or with Batman, and we see

1950
01:12:00,822 --> 01:12:01,958
get a return

1951
01:12:02,413 --> 01:12:02,913
to

1952
01:12:03,383 --> 01:12:05,395
the the mobs criminal

1953
01:12:05,930 --> 01:12:07,601
joker that he was beforehand.

1954
01:12:08,078 --> 01:12:10,068
Okay. Alright. And I guess that I guess

1955
01:12:10,148 --> 01:12:12,296
I'm just not familiar with pre comic code

1956
01:12:12,296 --> 01:12:15,820
joker. Yeah. And so and that's fine. And

1957
01:12:16,219 --> 01:12:17,734
and so there was this back and forth

1958
01:12:17,734 --> 01:12:18,633
between the 2

1959
01:12:19,170 --> 01:12:20,866
throughout the nineties and 2 thousands

1960
01:12:21,323 --> 01:12:22,462
of the

1961
01:12:22,934 --> 01:12:26,135
the sadistic and the the criminal element. He

1962
01:12:26,215 --> 01:12:27,354
Ledger comes out

1963
01:12:27,734 --> 01:12:29,255
and with his batman.

1964
01:12:29,814 --> 01:12:32,623
And again, or here's a joker. Again, not

1965
01:12:32,623 --> 01:12:34,697
a bad joker. Hear me out. I'm not

1966
01:12:34,697 --> 01:12:37,010
saying that don't come at me, but he's

1967
01:12:37,010 --> 01:12:39,083
not the best joker because he's not as

1968
01:12:39,083 --> 01:12:40,494
well rounded as

1969
01:12:41,966 --> 01:12:45,387
as... I'm. Now. I want you I'm gonna

1970
01:12:45,387 --> 01:12:48,588
say... Senator to the moon. Who? The, what's...

1971
01:12:48,828 --> 01:12:50,266
Was the Walking Phoenix? No. What's his name.

1972
01:12:50,746 --> 01:12:53,222
Oh, the the lead singer of 30 seconds

1973
01:12:53,222 --> 01:12:53,622
to mars.

1974
01:12:55,234 --> 01:12:56,668
What was that man's name? I can't remember.

1975
01:12:57,864 --> 01:12:59,856
The guy that was walking joker in Joker.

1976
01:13:00,335 --> 01:13:02,247
Joaquin Phoenix was the Joker and Joker. He's

1977
01:13:02,247 --> 01:13:04,408
talking about guy that was in Jared Lit.

1978
01:13:04,567 --> 01:13:07,029
That's who it was suicide squad. Joaquin Phoenix

1979
01:13:07,108 --> 01:13:08,775
Joker was actually pretty interesting, especially the way

1980
01:13:08,775 --> 01:13:10,704
they played that with him being

1981
01:13:11,014 --> 01:13:12,837
where you... We weren't sure if he was

1982
01:13:12,837 --> 01:13:14,661
ever sane or not. Where that was all

1983
01:13:14,661 --> 01:13:18,492
dream. But Jared Joker was absolute just

1984
01:13:19,118 --> 01:13:21,189
dog water, and needs to be thrown away.

1985
01:13:21,588 --> 01:13:22,225
I never saw it.

1986
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:26,049
The joker or or or Jared let. Yes.

1987
01:13:26,845 --> 01:13:27,005
Okay.

1988
01:13:27,721 --> 01:13:28,221
So

1989
01:13:28,532 --> 01:13:28,770
Yeah.

1990
01:13:29,882 --> 01:13:32,264
They're making a second joker, though. They are.

1991
01:13:32,502 --> 01:13:33,772
And it's gonna be in black and white.

1992
01:13:34,248 --> 01:13:36,487
And, apparently it's gonna be a musical. It

1993
01:13:36,487 --> 01:13:37,283
has my attention.

1994
01:13:38,158 --> 01:13:39,670
I... Here you here's the thing. I like

1995
01:13:39,670 --> 01:13:41,579
things. I like my villains to be un

1996
01:13:41,579 --> 01:13:43,489
unchanged. And and and that's that's what drew

1997
01:13:43,489 --> 01:13:45,375
me to batman to begin with. I like

1998
01:13:45,573 --> 01:13:47,031
my I like my villains

1999
01:13:47,488 --> 01:13:50,756
un unchanged. I like them being unpredictable. I

2000
01:13:50,756 --> 01:13:52,989
like them be. I like, I like my

2001
01:13:52,989 --> 01:13:54,105
evil to be evil.

2002
01:13:54,757 --> 01:13:55,791
Please, and thank you.

2003
01:13:56,506 --> 01:13:58,733
I don't... And this is something that me

2004
01:13:58,733 --> 01:14:01,356
and a lot of other Christian content creators

2005
01:14:01,356 --> 01:14:04,003
will will often come to logger heads over

2006
01:14:04,392 --> 01:14:06,928
It's just because I I believe if you're

2007
01:14:06,928 --> 01:14:08,909
if you're gonna write evil, you shouldn't candy

2008
01:14:08,909 --> 01:14:10,837
c evil. Evil should be rep

2009
01:14:11,778 --> 01:14:14,001
when it's when it's looked upon. So, like,

2010
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,065
when when when... Like, there's a lot of

2011
01:14:16,065 --> 01:14:17,573
people who object to some of the stuff

2012
01:14:17,573 --> 01:14:19,082
that's like, in the movie, the ex assist.

2013
01:14:19,731 --> 01:14:21,159
And they're like, oh, they should've toned that

2014
01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:23,302
down. I'm like, why? If it's a demon,

2015
01:14:23,540 --> 01:14:25,207
they're not gonna wanna tear... They don't they're

2016
01:14:25,207 --> 01:14:26,318
not gonna wanna tone it down.

2017
01:14:26,968 --> 01:14:29,195
So, like, for me, when you got someone

2018
01:14:29,195 --> 01:14:30,490
like, the joker who's

2019
01:14:31,025 --> 01:14:32,695
from my perspective is a psycho path, yes,

2020
01:14:32,934 --> 01:14:35,340
I want them to be sinister and a

2021
01:14:35,340 --> 01:14:36,536
moral as possible.

2022
01:14:37,014 --> 01:14:39,567
And I think my issue with the villain

2023
01:14:39,567 --> 01:14:40,524
in this movie with

2024
01:14:41,162 --> 01:14:43,076
the Riddle is it just wasn't my riddle.

2025
01:14:45,795 --> 01:14:47,305
They shouldn't have called up the Riddle if

2026
01:14:47,305 --> 01:14:50,326
they wanted Batman versus the Zodiac killer, they

2027
01:14:50,326 --> 01:14:53,600
should have done that. And yeah. Yeah. And

2028
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,064
I mean, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed

2029
01:14:56,064 --> 01:14:58,052
the character. It just wasn't the riddle.

2030
01:14:58,767 --> 01:14:59,641
I felt that too.

2031
01:15:00,929 --> 01:15:02,783
That was that kinda of played into

2032
01:15:03,159 --> 01:15:04,673
the whole idea of they had to remind

2033
01:15:04,673 --> 01:15:05,708
us every once in a while, this was

2034
01:15:05,708 --> 01:15:07,780
a batman. And 1 of them was the

2035
01:15:07,780 --> 01:15:09,930
regular, like the symbol of a question mark.

2036
01:15:10,982 --> 01:15:12,577
They kept throwing it in there just to

2037
01:15:12,577 --> 01:15:13,853
remind you, hey, This is the riddle by

2038
01:15:13,853 --> 01:15:16,564
the way that were not for the question

2039
01:15:16,564 --> 01:15:19,035
mark symbol, and the colleague of the Riddle.

2040
01:15:19,528 --> 01:15:21,990
I wouldn't have recognized him as the red.

2041
01:15:22,388 --> 01:15:23,342
I would have liked like you said I

2042
01:15:23,342 --> 01:15:24,454
would've have thought it would be like a

2043
01:15:24,454 --> 01:15:26,623
just a generic serial killer, which

2044
01:15:26,932 --> 01:15:28,126
the original batman,

2045
01:15:28,922 --> 01:15:30,195
especially Golden age batman,

2046
01:15:31,627 --> 01:15:32,445
pre Robin

2047
01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:35,774
would have fought a generic serial killer. That's

2048
01:15:35,774 --> 01:15:37,917
something that batman would have... That's a case

2049
01:15:37,917 --> 01:15:40,614
that batman would have taken on. Oh, so...

2050
01:15:40,853 --> 01:15:42,850
Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was cool.

2051
01:15:43,961 --> 01:15:46,420
But I mean, our our... We all know

2052
01:15:46,420 --> 01:15:48,561
about the the new Batman movie that's coming

2053
01:15:48,561 --> 01:15:49,037
soon. Right?

2054
01:15:49,927 --> 01:15:53,429
Batman, Noir. You Batman door. Yes.

2055
01:15:53,986 --> 01:15:56,135
You guys don't know about Batman Noir. This

2056
01:15:56,135 --> 01:15:58,223
is news to me. Bro. You're in front

2057
01:15:58,223 --> 01:15:59,662
of a computer type it in. I need

2058
01:15:59,662 --> 01:16:00,701
your reaction to this.

2059
01:16:02,139 --> 01:16:03,898
I'm not seeing it about Noir movie. I

2060
01:16:03,898 --> 01:16:04,537
see the comic?

2061
01:16:05,176 --> 01:16:07,502
Nope. There's a movie coming. I keep seeing

2062
01:16:07,502 --> 01:16:09,804
things about it. There's was Batman 2 coming

2063
01:16:09,804 --> 01:16:12,106
out. Was it Batman Noir Maybe it was

2064
01:16:12,265 --> 01:16:13,773
Spider Man Noir. Now that I'm thinking about

2065
01:16:13,773 --> 01:16:15,854
it. Spider spider Noir coming out. Spider a

2066
01:16:15,854 --> 01:16:17,847
bit horse coming out. Yeah. My bad with

2067
01:16:17,847 --> 01:16:21,038
them. God. State for industrial lakes reflects my

2068
01:16:21,038 --> 01:16:21,278
emotions.

2069
01:16:23,829 --> 01:16:26,078
John's over you're playing with Matt Moses. Oh

2070
01:16:26,078 --> 01:16:26,558
appreciate that.

2071
01:16:27,437 --> 01:16:27,677
So...

2072
01:16:29,195 --> 01:16:30,953
Yeah. Well, I think we've all landed in

2073
01:16:30,953 --> 01:16:32,231
different places here with this movie.

2074
01:16:33,523 --> 01:16:35,194
Actually, to be perfectly honest, I have been

2075
01:16:35,194 --> 01:16:37,364
going out of my way to hide my

2076
01:16:37,421 --> 01:16:40,778
actual opinion about this movie. III have stated

2077
01:16:40,778 --> 01:16:42,372
my thoughts, but I don't think any I

2078
01:16:42,372 --> 01:16:43,648
don't think either of you can really state

2079
01:16:43,648 --> 01:16:45,721
how I feel about this movie. I have

2080
01:16:45,721 --> 01:16:47,953
my suspicions, but now that you've said that

2081
01:16:47,953 --> 01:16:49,284
it's making be second guess every

2082
01:16:51,405 --> 01:16:53,085
That's what I do. I'm... I I am

2083
01:16:53,085 --> 01:16:53,564
a Dm.

2084
01:16:54,204 --> 01:16:56,204
I am a Dm, 100 percent of the

2085
01:16:56,204 --> 01:16:56,445
time.

2086
01:16:57,898 --> 01:16:59,408
Until I play my hand, you will never

2087
01:16:59,408 --> 01:17:02,349
know what game I'm playing. Indeed. So I'll

2088
01:17:02,349 --> 01:17:04,018
put this out there before we we go

2089
01:17:04,018 --> 01:17:05,926
until that aspect of what we actually think.

2090
01:17:07,133 --> 01:17:08,643
Just the influences of this film.

2091
01:17:09,438 --> 01:17:10,970
There were a lot of great

2092
01:17:11,345 --> 01:17:13,014
great noir styled,

2093
01:17:14,857 --> 01:17:17,079
cape styled movies at this movie call pulled

2094
01:17:17,079 --> 01:17:19,302
from. But for... Those of you who are

2095
01:17:19,302 --> 01:17:20,651
like, hey, what should I read?

2096
01:17:21,921 --> 01:17:23,925
You should read batman in your 1? You

2097
01:17:23,925 --> 01:17:25,284
should read the long halloween,

2098
01:17:25,844 --> 01:17:27,944
and you should read no man's land

2099
01:17:28,484 --> 01:17:30,645
to understand some of the the major things

2100
01:17:30,645 --> 01:17:31,684
are pulled for this movie.

2101
01:17:32,973 --> 01:17:34,721
I would say, also, if you wanted... The

2102
01:17:34,721 --> 01:17:37,583
costume influence, I think Crowley came from, Batman,

2103
01:17:37,662 --> 01:17:39,809
the white knight, which was a kind of

2104
01:17:39,809 --> 01:17:42,152
alternate future where the joker

2105
01:17:43,801 --> 01:17:46,586
heals himself, and he's no longer the joker,

2106
01:17:46,824 --> 01:17:48,574
and all of a sudden, he's... People like

2107
01:17:48,574 --> 01:17:49,927
him. He's a normal human being. He's running

2108
01:17:49,927 --> 01:17:51,797
for air. And he helps organize,

2109
01:17:53,689 --> 01:17:56,002
legit the vigilant entities and batman like, nope.

2110
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:58,394
I don't trust you, and it all goes

2111
01:17:58,394 --> 01:17:58,712
to crap.

2112
01:17:59,685 --> 01:18:00,965
But that does have latitude.

2113
01:18:01,444 --> 01:18:02,085
I figured it would.

2114
01:18:03,045 --> 01:18:04,164
I figured it would. And then,

2115
01:18:04,885 --> 01:18:06,344
no man's land was a

2116
01:18:06,645 --> 01:18:07,864
huge story arc

2117
01:18:08,179 --> 01:18:09,216
that took place where,

2118
01:18:10,492 --> 01:18:12,906
Got, all the bridges to Got were

2119
01:18:13,283 --> 01:18:15,197
destroyed, and Got was literally...

2120
01:18:15,676 --> 01:18:17,430
Portions were flooded, but it was an island.

2121
01:18:18,083 --> 01:18:21,127
And the government... The the country had to

2122
01:18:21,343 --> 01:18:23,410
shut down the city, and it became a

2123
01:18:23,410 --> 01:18:25,319
no man's land and the gangs begin to

2124
01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:27,480
form factions which is really what basically was

2125
01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:28,593
happening at the end of this movie, and

2126
01:18:28,672 --> 01:18:31,216
I kind of hope. The second movie plays

2127
01:18:31,216 --> 01:18:33,783
more with that. Actually read the novel mobilization

2128
01:18:34,015 --> 01:18:35,613
and I didn't read the comics by I

2129
01:18:35,613 --> 01:18:37,850
an organization that was really interesting. I think

2130
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:40,488
that would actually make a really neat video

2131
01:18:40,488 --> 01:18:42,486
game. Mh. I think played a little bit

2132
01:18:42,486 --> 01:18:43,305
with it with

2133
01:18:44,734 --> 01:18:46,963
Ark City. Yeah. Ark City. They played a

2134
01:18:46,963 --> 01:18:48,475
little bit with it. Not much, but they

2135
01:18:48,475 --> 01:18:50,863
they teased it. Well, go ahead and and

2136
01:18:50,863 --> 01:18:53,050
bake it a full fledged they

2137
01:18:53,426 --> 01:18:54,562
and or

2138
01:18:55,096 --> 01:18:57,109
do that, but then make it to where

2139
01:18:57,564 --> 01:18:58,860
you can influence

2140
01:18:59,649 --> 01:19:01,882
how things turn out based on which factions

2141
01:19:01,882 --> 01:19:05,471
you help and support? Okay. But my brain's

2142
01:19:05,471 --> 01:19:05,870
running off.

2143
01:19:07,146 --> 01:19:09,515
Your rocks steady instead of giving us this

2144
01:19:09,634 --> 01:19:11,617
crappy Vr game that you're putting out there

2145
01:19:11,617 --> 01:19:14,076
own quest, give us the game, Bright thick

2146
01:19:14,076 --> 01:19:14,234
enough.

2147
01:19:15,265 --> 01:19:16,218
You will make money.

2148
01:19:16,788 --> 01:19:18,780
Well, here's the thing. It's not Rock dead

2149
01:19:18,780 --> 01:19:21,113
call. It's it's W Montreal.

2150
01:19:21,968 --> 01:19:22,446
Everyday.

2151
01:19:23,162 --> 01:19:23,981
Isn't it w?

2152
01:19:24,517 --> 01:19:26,372
Mh. Rocks city dipped the

2153
01:19:26,764 --> 01:19:27,082
stuff, though.

2154
01:19:29,077 --> 01:19:32,187
Anymore? Rock their owned... Rock study is owned

2155
01:19:32,187 --> 01:19:33,942
by Warner brothers. Oh, I see what you're

2156
01:19:33,942 --> 01:19:34,341
saying now.

2157
01:19:35,218 --> 01:19:37,168
I see what you're saying now. So

2158
01:19:37,701 --> 01:19:39,607
that's the reason why they had to make,

2159
01:19:40,163 --> 01:19:40,957
justice league kills...

2160
01:19:41,672 --> 01:19:44,055
Not just league kills. Suicide squad kills the

2161
01:19:44,055 --> 01:19:47,330
justice league. Which bombed and is already shutting

2162
01:19:47,330 --> 01:19:48,126
down their servers.

2163
01:19:48,761 --> 01:19:50,194
Not even out a year and people were

2164
01:19:50,194 --> 01:19:51,307
like, yep. We're sitting down.

2165
01:19:52,118 --> 01:19:54,273
It was trash. It was trash. It was

2166
01:19:54,273 --> 01:19:57,545
a money grab. They it paid 0 respect

2167
01:19:57,545 --> 01:19:59,699
to the source material. Yeah. It they made

2168
01:19:59,699 --> 01:20:02,100
people mad and Warner brothers was, like, what

2169
01:20:02,100 --> 01:20:02,577
happened.

2170
01:20:03,054 --> 01:20:04,802
But this isn't a video game podcast. It's

2171
01:20:04,802 --> 01:20:06,313
a movie podcast. So let's get to our

2172
01:20:06,313 --> 01:20:08,380
final... Let's get to our final ratings because

2173
01:20:08,380 --> 01:20:08,880
we're

2174
01:20:09,427 --> 01:20:09,904
flounder.

2175
01:20:12,049 --> 01:20:14,614
We here at the bottom shelf review

2176
01:20:15,226 --> 01:20:18,721
movies on a 4 tier rating system.

2177
01:20:20,247 --> 01:20:23,032
Starting with top shelf, this movie is fantastic,

2178
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:25,418
I must own it and everybody should watch

2179
01:20:25,418 --> 01:20:25,577
it.

2180
01:20:26,627 --> 01:20:28,537
Then we have the middle shelf, which is...

2181
01:20:29,333 --> 01:20:31,404
It's okay. If it's on Tv, I might

2182
01:20:31,404 --> 01:20:33,234
watch it or maybe I might buy a

2183
01:20:33,234 --> 01:20:35,954
copy and watch it every couple years or

2184
01:20:35,954 --> 01:20:36,113
so.

2185
01:20:37,068 --> 01:20:39,055
Bottom shelf is, I didn't enjoy this movie.

2186
01:20:39,295 --> 01:20:41,283
It might be okay for you, but I

2187
01:20:41,283 --> 01:20:43,287
don't wanna watch it again. And then there's

2188
01:20:43,287 --> 01:20:45,680
the dumpster fire, which is where we are

2189
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,036
going to go out of our way to

2190
01:20:47,036 --> 01:20:48,711
keep people from watching it. And as far

2191
01:20:48,711 --> 01:20:51,423
as we are concerned, the movie has been

2192
01:20:51,423 --> 01:20:52,380
erased from existence.

2193
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:56,135
So with that being said, I'm gonna go

2194
01:20:56,135 --> 01:20:58,681
last because I'm the big question mark on

2195
01:20:58,681 --> 01:20:59,079
this 1.

2196
01:20:59,954 --> 01:21:01,306
But what's that a red alert pod?

2197
01:21:01,879 --> 01:21:04,109
It wasn't, but I will pretend like it

2198
01:21:04,109 --> 01:21:04,347
was.

2199
01:21:06,577 --> 01:21:07,215
But Dallas.

2200
01:21:08,091 --> 01:21:09,068
Yeah. So

2201
01:21:09,524 --> 01:21:10,081
for me,

2202
01:21:11,211 --> 01:21:13,598
I'm putting this on the top shelf. It

2203
01:21:13,598 --> 01:21:16,065
is 1 of my favorite batman films of

2204
01:21:16,065 --> 01:21:16,543
all time,

2205
01:21:17,339 --> 01:21:20,068
partially because it's so different from

2206
01:21:20,378 --> 01:21:22,287
any other superhero movie that's coming out at

2207
01:21:22,287 --> 01:21:24,276
the time and is coming out currently,

2208
01:21:24,753 --> 01:21:25,253
and

2209
01:21:26,344 --> 01:21:28,332
I love the Know fill things.

2210
01:21:30,021 --> 01:21:31,696
And I love the text side of things.

2211
01:21:32,015 --> 01:21:32,834
There is a

2212
01:21:33,371 --> 01:21:35,046
personal project I've had in my head for

2213
01:21:35,046 --> 01:21:36,641
years I've wanted to do and this kinda

2214
01:21:36,641 --> 01:21:38,555
tapped into a little bit. So I'm digging

2215
01:21:38,555 --> 01:21:39,529
it. Cool.

2216
01:21:40,090 --> 01:21:41,050
Well, bam,

2217
01:21:41,850 --> 01:21:43,529
I will say that listening to you on

2218
01:21:43,529 --> 01:21:45,770
this episode has been interesting to me because

2219
01:21:45,770 --> 01:21:47,702
you came in hot and head before it,

2220
01:21:47,782 --> 01:21:49,767
and then you began to argue with Dallas

2221
01:21:49,767 --> 01:21:51,515
about this movie. In the meantime, I just

2222
01:21:51,515 --> 01:21:52,467
sat back and watched.

2223
01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:55,510
Well, part of that is because

2224
01:21:55,819 --> 01:21:57,885
I wouldn't saw this in the theaters. And

2225
01:21:57,885 --> 01:21:59,635
when I saw it in the theaters, I

2226
01:21:59,635 --> 01:22:00,032
loved it.

2227
01:22:01,145 --> 01:22:02,814
Watching it a second time with a more

2228
01:22:02,814 --> 01:22:04,643
critical eye, there were some things that stood

2229
01:22:04,643 --> 01:22:07,283
out that kinda of maybe scratch my head

2230
01:22:07,283 --> 01:22:07,761
a little bit.

2231
01:22:09,592 --> 01:22:12,957
I think the movie is a net positive

2232
01:22:13,269 --> 01:22:14,863
I think it has more going forward than

2233
01:22:14,863 --> 01:22:15,421
has against it.

2234
01:22:16,855 --> 01:22:19,087
I think that the issues I have with

2235
01:22:19,087 --> 01:22:20,761
the movie I have because I was watching

2236
01:22:20,761 --> 01:22:22,693
it with critical eye I was actually watching

2237
01:22:22,693 --> 01:22:24,610
it too critique it. If I were to

2238
01:22:24,610 --> 01:22:26,607
watch it again, and just watch it just

2239
01:22:26,607 --> 01:22:27,885
for the fun of it. I think I

2240
01:22:27,885 --> 01:22:29,257
would enjoy it. Oh,

2241
01:22:29,895 --> 01:22:30,634
I can't

2242
01:22:31,090 --> 01:22:33,422
give it a top shelf rating

2243
01:22:33,878 --> 01:22:34,378
because

2244
01:22:34,913 --> 01:22:37,782
I don't have a desire to go buy

2245
01:22:37,782 --> 01:22:37,941
it.

2246
01:22:38,592 --> 01:22:41,689
But I did enjoy the movie. I had

2247
01:22:41,689 --> 01:22:43,278
a good time watching it.

2248
01:22:44,230 --> 01:22:45,342
I had a good... I had a good

2249
01:22:45,342 --> 01:22:47,343
time thinking about ways I would have written

2250
01:22:47,343 --> 01:22:48,454
the story slightly different.

2251
01:22:49,170 --> 01:22:51,155
And I think that's that's that's neat that

2252
01:22:51,155 --> 01:22:53,062
a that a movie could make you think

2253
01:22:53,062 --> 01:22:54,810
about well, how how would I tell that

2254
01:22:54,810 --> 01:22:55,048
story.

2255
01:22:56,572 --> 01:22:58,663
So I'm gonna put this on a

2256
01:22:59,118 --> 01:22:59,618
very

2257
01:23:00,311 --> 01:23:03,229
high middle shelf. Not quite top shelf, but

2258
01:23:03,588 --> 01:23:05,902
High enough that I would be a embarrassed

2259
01:23:05,902 --> 01:23:09,092
to recommend to other people. No. There. Alright.

2260
01:23:09,331 --> 01:23:11,006
Now I... Before I go into my review,

2261
01:23:11,166 --> 01:23:12,841
I am super curious. I wanna know what

2262
01:23:12,841 --> 01:23:14,373
you guys think where you where you think

2263
01:23:14,453 --> 01:23:16,051
I'm in a land? I'm I'm taking bets

2264
01:23:16,051 --> 01:23:16,291
now.

2265
01:23:17,010 --> 01:23:18,129
I'm gonna say you're on the top shelf.

2266
01:23:19,008 --> 01:23:21,166
Got a middle shelf. Alright? He plot twist.

2267
01:23:21,565 --> 01:23:22,225
He goes

2268
01:23:22,619 --> 01:23:24,614
dumpster fire. While I'm I doing this. I

2269
01:23:24,614 --> 01:23:26,211
hate you Dallas. I'll give you off the

2270
01:23:26,211 --> 01:23:29,005
show. No. IIII can promise you, Dallas. I'm

2271
01:23:29,005 --> 01:23:30,601
not gonna dumpster fire this movie.

2272
01:23:31,734 --> 01:23:34,048
I came in this movie, and III did.

2273
01:23:34,368 --> 01:23:37,400
I pushed my biases aside, and I watched

2274
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:39,256
it with an open mind because

2275
01:23:39,569 --> 01:23:41,235
know, if I'm gonna put 1 of my

2276
01:23:41,235 --> 01:23:42,132
favorite movies

2277
01:23:42,664 --> 01:23:44,489
forward, I would hope that somebody would do

2278
01:23:44,489 --> 01:23:46,021
the same... Give me the same

2279
01:23:46,474 --> 01:23:46,632
respect.

2280
01:23:47,283 --> 01:23:48,341
Because I'm legitimately

2281
01:23:48,718 --> 01:23:49,218
sharing

2282
01:23:49,594 --> 01:23:52,064
something that's important to me. Sure. So I

2283
01:23:52,064 --> 01:23:54,216
wanna do that too. So I went into

2284
01:23:54,216 --> 01:23:55,368
it. And

2285
01:23:56,225 --> 01:23:58,220
for me, it wasn't a batman movie. I

2286
01:23:58,220 --> 01:23:59,976
think I've I I think I've stated that.

2287
01:24:00,296 --> 01:24:00,774
Mh.

2288
01:24:02,211 --> 01:24:05,284
It didn't bring anything that I like about

2289
01:24:05,505 --> 01:24:08,064
batman movies until the final act of the

2290
01:24:08,064 --> 01:24:08,385
movie,

2291
01:24:09,265 --> 01:24:11,185
but it brought other things that I enjoy

2292
01:24:11,185 --> 01:24:12,145
about other movies.

2293
01:24:13,517 --> 01:24:16,631
I saw a lot of other movies in

2294
01:24:16,631 --> 01:24:18,945
this at at certain points. I felt like

2295
01:24:19,025 --> 01:24:20,940
I was watching the movie 7.

2296
01:24:21,514 --> 01:24:23,582
Yeah. At other points, I felt like I

2297
01:24:23,582 --> 01:24:25,730
was watching the movie Zodiac. And if you

2298
01:24:25,730 --> 01:24:27,720
haven't seen that movie I highly recommend it,

2299
01:24:28,197 --> 01:24:28,356
everybody.

2300
01:24:29,167 --> 01:24:30,603
Especially if you like this movie, Go see

2301
01:24:30,762 --> 01:24:31,240
Zodiac.

2302
01:24:33,871 --> 01:24:35,328
Oh, and if you're over

2303
01:24:35,784 --> 01:24:38,033
18, that movie rated our. So... Yes. It

2304
01:24:38,033 --> 01:24:38,193
is.

2305
01:24:40,268 --> 01:24:42,902
Let's see here. What else was there. I

2306
01:24:42,902 --> 01:24:44,339
mean, there there there was a lot in

2307
01:24:44,339 --> 01:24:46,196
here. It was over long

2308
01:24:46,509 --> 01:24:48,839
but there was a cast of characters, and

2309
01:24:48,895 --> 01:24:51,123
everybody who is in this movie acted their

2310
01:24:51,123 --> 01:24:51,601
butt off.

2311
01:24:53,193 --> 01:24:55,635
I honestly think I would have enjoyed this

2312
01:24:55,834 --> 01:24:58,249
a lot more if this was a shadow

2313
01:24:58,467 --> 01:25:01,101
movie over it being a batman movie. I

2314
01:25:01,101 --> 01:25:02,856
think I think the setting would have made

2315
01:25:02,856 --> 01:25:03,415
more sense.

2316
01:25:04,147 --> 01:25:05,441
As well as

2317
01:25:06,052 --> 01:25:07,878
the the whole detective work,

2318
01:25:08,989 --> 01:25:10,340
it would have made more sense to me,

2319
01:25:10,895 --> 01:25:12,641
but I didn't hate this movie.

2320
01:25:13,451 --> 01:25:15,832
There were times. I I legitimately found myself

2321
01:25:15,832 --> 01:25:18,530
in enjoying what was going on on the

2322
01:25:18,530 --> 01:25:19,244
on the screens.

2323
01:25:20,609 --> 01:25:22,524
I feel like the car chase between the

2324
01:25:22,524 --> 01:25:25,475
penguin and batman could have been taken out

2325
01:25:25,475 --> 01:25:26,591
of this movie and it would have been

2326
01:25:26,591 --> 01:25:28,506
a better movie that was probably the most

2327
01:25:28,506 --> 01:25:30,180
boring car chase I've ever seen.

2328
01:25:31,387 --> 01:25:32,816
And the reason why I say so is

2329
01:25:32,816 --> 01:25:34,801
because the rain effects that they had going

2330
01:25:34,801 --> 01:25:35,538
during this

2331
01:25:35,911 --> 01:25:37,761
blur the visuals for me, so

2332
01:25:38,387 --> 01:25:40,137
bad that I felt like I was watching

2333
01:25:40,137 --> 01:25:42,206
a fight scene in the transformers movies.

2334
01:25:44,274 --> 01:25:45,720
You know what I mean? Yeah.

2335
01:25:46,914 --> 01:25:47,154
So...

2336
01:25:47,869 --> 01:25:49,143
But with that being said, like I said

2337
01:25:49,302 --> 01:25:50,972
I didn't hate it, and I'm gonna end

2338
01:25:50,972 --> 01:25:53,439
up watching it again because I honestly believe

2339
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:55,447
that my wife will this movie more than

2340
01:25:55,527 --> 01:25:57,762
I did because my wife super into Tv

2341
01:25:57,762 --> 01:25:58,821
shows like Csi

2342
01:25:59,438 --> 01:26:00,555
and criminal minds,

2343
01:26:01,114 --> 01:26:03,030
and let's face it this kind of what

2344
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:04,402
this this movie is.

2345
01:26:05,757 --> 01:26:07,911
So with that said, I'm gonna put it

2346
01:26:07,911 --> 01:26:08,708
on the middle shelf.

2347
01:26:09,346 --> 01:26:12,697
Alright. So bam 1 that 1. Yay. I

2348
01:26:12,697 --> 01:26:12,935
win.

2349
01:26:16,367 --> 01:26:17,717
Alright. So let's go ahead and move on

2350
01:26:17,717 --> 01:26:18,217
to

2351
01:26:18,591 --> 01:26:20,417
jeez. We're we're at an hour and a

2352
01:26:20,417 --> 01:26:22,680
half and we're still not on. Weak connections

2353
01:26:22,738 --> 01:26:22,976
everybody.

2354
01:26:23,852 --> 01:26:25,386
This is a weak

2355
01:26:25,921 --> 01:26:26,421
connection

2356
01:26:27,831 --> 01:26:28,547
Pastor Dallas.

2357
01:26:29,198 --> 01:26:30,951
Via the the the microphone is yours.

2358
01:26:32,863 --> 01:26:35,014
Welcome to the weak connections a portion of

2359
01:26:35,014 --> 01:26:36,939
the podcast where we Take the film that

2360
01:26:36,939 --> 01:26:39,163
we watch good bad or not. Yeah, we

2361
01:26:39,163 --> 01:26:41,707
bring us something of value that is encouraging,

2362
01:26:42,104 --> 01:26:43,216
inspiring to your soul.

2363
01:26:44,426 --> 01:26:45,462
Points you to Jesus.

2364
01:26:46,898 --> 01:26:47,216
So,

2365
01:26:47,774 --> 01:26:49,289
real quick, show hands who has

2366
01:26:49,927 --> 01:26:51,282
AAA

2367
01:26:51,282 --> 01:26:54,878
weak connection. Right chicken his head. Josh. I

2368
01:26:54,958 --> 01:26:57,742
I literally I literally watched this movie today.

2369
01:26:57,981 --> 01:26:58,878
I didn't have

2370
01:27:00,143 --> 01:27:01,734
I And I watched it while I was

2371
01:27:01,734 --> 01:27:02,291
at work.

2372
01:27:06,204 --> 01:27:07,959
I mean, so that was a John's job

2373
01:27:07,959 --> 01:27:10,351
that did not affect his productivity in any

2374
01:27:10,351 --> 01:27:12,824
way whatsoever. Oh, no. It didn't. My my

2375
01:27:12,824 --> 01:27:15,536
productivity was actually high today. So really? There

2376
01:27:15,536 --> 01:27:17,225
you go. When you're good at your job,

2377
01:27:17,385 --> 01:27:18,980
you can do things like that. I mean,

2378
01:27:19,300 --> 01:27:22,251
that's fair. That's fair. Alright. So for me

2379
01:27:22,251 --> 01:27:22,489
then,

2380
01:27:23,845 --> 01:27:25,440
what talking about this film.

2381
01:27:26,966 --> 01:27:28,634
By the way, if you go to geek

2382
01:27:28,634 --> 01:27:29,134
oceans

2383
01:27:29,667 --> 01:27:31,596
dot com, we do have a

2384
01:27:32,049 --> 01:27:33,558
devotion based off of this film that I

2385
01:27:33,558 --> 01:27:35,067
did when it came out 2 years ago.

2386
01:27:36,119 --> 01:27:37,640
But that's not what I'm doing. I'm actually

2387
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,479
talking about something different. He was talking about...

2388
01:27:39,719 --> 01:27:40,840
The entire time he's, like,

2389
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,159
he's talking about how he's vengeance. He's vision.

2390
01:27:43,413 --> 01:27:44,761
Everything like that. And there's this whole thing

2391
01:27:44,761 --> 01:27:45,974
with Selena where

2392
01:27:46,425 --> 01:27:48,406
she discovers at Falcon her dad, and she's

2393
01:27:48,406 --> 01:27:50,071
angry about it, and she's raised to just,

2394
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:50,467
you know,

2395
01:27:51,118 --> 01:27:52,398
awesome. And

2396
01:27:52,957 --> 01:27:54,875
he's like no Don't do that. You've suffered...

2397
01:27:55,114 --> 01:27:57,271
You've paid too much for this already, But

2398
01:27:57,271 --> 01:27:58,630
she's holding on his business. She's holding on

2399
01:27:58,630 --> 01:28:00,712
to his anger. And it was driving her

2400
01:28:00,712 --> 01:28:01,688
legitimately to

2401
01:28:02,378 --> 01:28:04,362
homicide. To cross the line, and he said

2402
01:28:04,362 --> 01:28:06,319
over and over don't do this, you'll become

2403
01:28:06,758 --> 01:28:09,809
just like him, and it's a really interesting

2404
01:28:11,381 --> 01:28:13,534
scene that takes place because he's just genuinely

2405
01:28:13,534 --> 01:28:15,382
trying to protect her from cross light. To

2406
01:28:15,382 --> 01:28:17,768
the point she's been a a cat criminal,

2407
01:28:18,087 --> 01:28:19,996
you know, our cat Burglar Right? She hasn't

2408
01:28:19,996 --> 01:28:21,689
necessarily done anything terribly

2409
01:28:22,078 --> 01:28:23,270
You know, she hasn't crossed that line it's

2410
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:25,279
a. She hasn't committed a mortal.

2411
01:28:25,811 --> 01:28:28,274
Yeah. So he's trying to protect her from

2412
01:28:28,274 --> 01:28:29,886
going too far. And

2413
01:28:30,593 --> 01:28:31,704
But there's this bitterness.

2414
01:28:32,180 --> 01:28:32,680
There's

2415
01:28:33,054 --> 01:28:36,230
unforgiveness. There's this anger that is walled up

2416
01:28:36,230 --> 01:28:37,500
inside of her. And now she's been pushed

2417
01:28:37,500 --> 01:28:39,167
in the end, and she's ready to just

2418
01:28:39,167 --> 01:28:40,719
to cross that line

2419
01:28:41,097 --> 01:28:42,636
and do the very thing

2420
01:28:43,095 --> 01:28:44,395
that the man she hates

2421
01:28:44,774 --> 01:28:46,851
did did to her, basically.

2422
01:28:47,411 --> 01:28:47,911
And

2423
01:28:48,384 --> 01:28:50,053
You know, the bible talks about is of

2424
01:28:50,133 --> 01:28:51,269
Lord. And

2425
01:28:51,722 --> 01:28:53,233
some people look at that and they're... They

2426
01:28:53,233 --> 01:28:54,585
kinda scratch. Like, what does that mean that

2427
01:28:54,903 --> 01:28:56,810
Is is Lord. That means that god's gonna

2428
01:28:56,810 --> 01:28:57,526
take care of things.

2429
01:28:58,260 --> 01:28:58,760
And

2430
01:28:59,140 --> 01:28:59,940
really, for...

2431
01:29:01,539 --> 01:29:02,579
There's a lot of people who have love

2432
01:29:02,579 --> 01:29:05,000
her. They've been through some stupid stuff. And

2433
01:29:05,473 --> 01:29:07,464
it's not right. It's inappropriate. The things that

2434
01:29:07,464 --> 01:29:09,932
have happened to you. They shouldn't have happened.

2435
01:29:10,410 --> 01:29:10,910
And

2436
01:29:11,844 --> 01:29:13,778
I can I can set stand here for

2437
01:29:13,929 --> 01:29:15,363
and not place of all the guys here

2438
01:29:15,363 --> 01:29:17,353
on the show, we're sorry that it happens?

2439
01:29:17,752 --> 01:29:18,548
That's inappropriate.

2440
01:29:19,025 --> 01:29:19,525
But

2441
01:29:19,902 --> 01:29:21,118
if you hold on

2442
01:29:21,573 --> 01:29:22,211
the bitterness.

2443
01:29:22,623 --> 01:29:25,011
And you don't let go, you don't forgive.

2444
01:29:25,329 --> 01:29:28,354
What takes place is not the person who

2445
01:29:28,354 --> 01:29:29,627
offended you getting hurt.

2446
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,680
But you're allowing yourself to be victim optimized

2447
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:33,659
by them over

2448
01:29:34,039 --> 01:29:37,400
and over and over again. That's what happens

2449
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:38,300
when we don't

2450
01:29:38,851 --> 01:29:41,001
forgive when we don't let go. It doesn't

2451
01:29:41,001 --> 01:29:42,752
let go and forgiving doesn't mean that you're

2452
01:29:42,752 --> 01:29:45,457
validating that person. You're not not saying that,

2453
01:29:45,616 --> 01:29:47,208
okay. It's no big deal what they did

2454
01:29:47,208 --> 01:29:49,539
to you. Letting go means you're no longer

2455
01:29:49,539 --> 01:29:51,880
gonna allow yourself to be their victim. And

2456
01:29:52,179 --> 01:29:55,140
honestly, again, they may never know. Your hard

2457
01:29:55,140 --> 01:29:57,940
looks at them. Your your biting lip, that's

2458
01:29:57,940 --> 01:30:00,957
not doing anything to them. It's just hurting

2459
01:30:00,957 --> 01:30:01,116
you.

2460
01:30:02,228 --> 01:30:02,966
And so

2461
01:30:04,228 --> 01:30:05,812
What Batman doing in this thing. He's like,

2462
01:30:05,970 --> 01:30:08,030
he's like, let me handle this appropriately. Let

2463
01:30:08,030 --> 01:30:09,694
me bring justice now. We all know how

2464
01:30:09,694 --> 01:30:10,962
that ended in very well.

2465
01:30:12,092 --> 01:30:12,592
But

2466
01:30:13,048 --> 01:30:14,564
God's not batman.

2467
01:30:15,042 --> 01:30:18,551
God's not superman. He's not a man at

2468
01:30:18,551 --> 01:30:22,000
all. God is divine. And God has ultimate

2469
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:22,319
justice.

2470
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,439
And whether it's in this life or when

2471
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,119
they stand before the throne in judgment.

2472
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,760
God will bring righteous judgment.

2473
01:30:30,332 --> 01:30:30,810
Somehow.

2474
01:30:31,207 --> 01:30:32,954
And we had to put our trust in

2475
01:30:32,954 --> 01:30:35,337
faith in that and let him bring the

2476
01:30:35,337 --> 01:30:37,323
human let him take care of us. It's

2477
01:30:37,323 --> 01:30:40,527
hard. It's sucks. It genuinely is a terrible

2478
01:30:40,527 --> 01:30:42,923
process to walk through to let go of

2479
01:30:42,923 --> 01:30:43,483
the pain.

2480
01:30:45,081 --> 01:30:45,581
I

2481
01:30:46,135 --> 01:30:47,813
I have lived the life where I've been

2482
01:30:47,813 --> 01:30:50,051
through some stupid stuff. And I've seen things.

2483
01:30:50,369 --> 01:30:52,287
I wish I had never seen and people

2484
01:30:52,287 --> 01:30:53,886
have hurt me in ways that I don't

2485
01:30:53,886 --> 01:30:55,324
care to think about on a regular basis.

2486
01:30:55,659 --> 01:30:57,420
But I've had to let go and I've

2487
01:30:57,420 --> 01:30:59,899
had to forgive them. 1 of the hardest

2488
01:30:59,899 --> 01:31:01,819
things Ever had do in my life was

2489
01:31:01,979 --> 01:31:04,628
I had to genuinely call the person who

2490
01:31:04,628 --> 01:31:06,702
hurt me in a very real way and

2491
01:31:06,702 --> 01:31:09,573
tell them I forgive them. Like, I had

2492
01:31:09,573 --> 01:31:11,089
to. Inside of me. I was like, I've

2493
01:31:11,089 --> 01:31:12,206
got to let this go and I had

2494
01:31:12,206 --> 01:31:14,453
to tell them I forgive you of what

2495
01:31:14,453 --> 01:31:17,162
you've done to me into my family. And

2496
01:31:17,162 --> 01:31:19,155
that was hard. But once I did that,

2497
01:31:19,314 --> 01:31:21,404
there was a release, there was a... There

2498
01:31:21,404 --> 01:31:23,422
was something that took place in my spirit

2499
01:31:23,561 --> 01:31:25,159
that I was no longer a slave to

2500
01:31:25,159 --> 01:31:27,657
it anymore. I was now free to live

2501
01:31:27,957 --> 01:31:29,555
my life the way that I needed to

2502
01:31:29,555 --> 01:31:31,246
be. And so I'm not asking you guys

2503
01:31:31,246 --> 01:31:33,399
to do anything that I'm I'm wouldn't do.

2504
01:31:33,559 --> 01:31:34,994
And some of you, you've you've been through

2505
01:31:34,994 --> 01:31:36,590
horrific things far worse than what I could

2506
01:31:36,590 --> 01:31:38,823
ever imagine, I'm sure, but holding on to

2507
01:31:38,823 --> 01:31:39,461
the bitterness.

2508
01:31:40,034 --> 01:31:41,788
Holding it onto to that pain. Like I

2509
01:31:41,788 --> 01:31:43,781
said, that doesn't hurt them, it only hurts

2510
01:31:43,781 --> 01:31:46,173
you. It is a chain that will weigh

2511
01:31:46,173 --> 01:31:48,087
you down. And if you do not release

2512
01:31:48,087 --> 01:31:48,326
it,

2513
01:31:48,898 --> 01:31:51,836
it will taint every relationship going forward. It

2514
01:31:51,836 --> 01:31:53,662
will be the... You will see life through

2515
01:31:53,662 --> 01:31:54,400
the lens

2516
01:31:54,773 --> 01:31:56,520
of that pain. You'll see life through the

2517
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:57,472
lens of that bitterness.

2518
01:31:57,964 --> 01:31:59,949
And any anytime a person says anything that

2519
01:31:59,949 --> 01:32:02,967
is even the a fragrance of what has

2520
01:32:02,967 --> 01:32:06,088
been happened before, you will instantly respond away

2521
01:32:06,399 --> 01:32:07,058
that is

2522
01:32:07,435 --> 01:32:09,350
too far. In a way that you're trying

2523
01:32:09,350 --> 01:32:11,104
to protect yourself legitimately,

2524
01:32:11,503 --> 01:32:13,817
but instead of protecting yourself, you're hurting yourself

2525
01:32:13,817 --> 01:32:15,651
because you're keeping the opportunity for people to

2526
01:32:15,651 --> 01:32:17,503
care about you from taking place.

2527
01:32:18,221 --> 01:32:20,779
So that is my weak connection for you

2528
01:32:20,779 --> 01:32:21,578
guys for,

2529
01:32:22,377 --> 01:32:25,686
this show film, the batman. Hey, Babe. Hey

2530
01:32:26,462 --> 01:32:26,861
man.

2531
01:32:29,333 --> 01:32:31,009
You guys wanna add anything to it? You

2532
01:32:31,009 --> 01:32:33,162
know, I was actually having a conversation with

2533
01:32:33,162 --> 01:32:34,635
my bolt. About

2534
01:32:35,013 --> 01:32:35,253
revenge.

2535
01:32:36,292 --> 01:32:38,289
She was talking in her bible study about

2536
01:32:38,289 --> 01:32:40,367
that concept. And something they said in that

2537
01:32:40,367 --> 01:32:42,125
bible study I thought was really profound. They

2538
01:32:42,125 --> 01:32:45,739
said, God says Vi is my... Because justice

2539
01:32:45,739 --> 01:32:47,180
is up to him. Mh.

2540
01:32:47,739 --> 01:32:48,239
Sometimes

2541
01:32:48,619 --> 01:32:49,119
justice

2542
01:32:49,739 --> 01:32:50,380
is Jesus.

2543
01:32:51,033 --> 01:32:54,411
Yeah. Sometimes the justice that he puts out

2544
01:32:54,630 --> 01:32:56,628
on the center of the person who is

2545
01:32:56,628 --> 01:32:57,767
wrong this is

2546
01:32:58,226 --> 01:32:59,824
Jesus dying on the cross for their sense.

2547
01:33:00,478 --> 01:33:01,774
Mh. And

2548
01:33:02,149 --> 01:33:03,603
that's humbling because

2549
01:33:04,058 --> 01:33:05,887
I love to talk about what Jesus died

2550
01:33:05,887 --> 01:33:08,609
for my. Mh. But to think about that

2551
01:33:08,768 --> 01:33:10,679
Jesus died for the sins of the person

2552
01:33:10,679 --> 01:33:13,546
who hurt me. Yeah. And that blood that

2553
01:33:13,546 --> 01:33:15,776
covers my scent, covers that sent to.

2554
01:33:16,664 --> 01:33:17,800
And if I'm gonna

2555
01:33:18,252 --> 01:33:20,872
say God's praises about how he covered my

2556
01:33:20,872 --> 01:33:23,175
sin, I need to recognize that he also

2557
01:33:23,175 --> 01:33:26,609
covered that person as well. Yeah. Definitely. That...

2558
01:33:26,849 --> 01:33:29,081
And that's a hard thing to realize that,

2559
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,711
you know, he he does that we. III

2560
01:33:31,711 --> 01:33:32,987
remember years ago, it was

2561
01:33:33,719 --> 01:33:36,511
I starting with on un Acquaintance, and we

2562
01:33:36,511 --> 01:33:38,823
were talking about just the goodness of that.

2563
01:33:38,983 --> 01:33:41,376
The the god's gracious. You know, it's it's

2564
01:33:41,376 --> 01:33:43,471
unbelievable that God would forgive us

2565
01:33:43,783 --> 01:33:45,693
I mean, it is a is a miracle

2566
01:33:45,693 --> 01:33:47,284
that God gives us. And I was talking

2567
01:33:47,284 --> 01:33:49,354
with him, you know, the god's grace is

2568
01:33:49,354 --> 01:33:50,548
so great that

2569
01:33:51,359 --> 01:33:53,507
you know, the... We're all familiar with the

2570
01:33:53,507 --> 01:33:55,496
funny Mustache man who couldn't speak German very

2571
01:33:55,496 --> 01:33:56,928
well, but he led a whole nation.

2572
01:33:59,969 --> 01:34:00,469
And

2573
01:34:01,085 --> 01:34:04,135
he did atrocious evil to despicable with things

2574
01:34:04,431 --> 01:34:05,706
that are unspeakable.

2575
01:34:06,279 --> 01:34:08,434
To this date though we has done anything

2576
01:34:08,434 --> 01:34:10,668
near as bad, and it is terrifying to

2577
01:34:10,668 --> 01:34:13,382
think the people analyze him and some duty

2578
01:34:13,382 --> 01:34:15,631
analyze him today. But in those final moments

2579
01:34:15,631 --> 01:34:18,523
when he was by himself bleeding out if

2580
01:34:18,581 --> 01:34:20,416
if I'm not saying he did, but if

2581
01:34:20,416 --> 01:34:21,931
he had a revelation of Christ in that

2582
01:34:21,931 --> 01:34:23,765
moment, and he genuinely repent.

2583
01:34:24,420 --> 01:34:26,018
Because God is faithful and true, he would

2584
01:34:26,018 --> 01:34:28,015
have forgiven that man, and we would see

2585
01:34:28,015 --> 01:34:30,592
him in heaven. And matt is at is

2586
01:34:30,891 --> 01:34:32,664
starting to think about. And,

2587
01:34:33,385 --> 01:34:35,625
my friend, they kinda freaked out on me

2588
01:34:35,625 --> 01:34:36,125
because

2589
01:34:36,425 --> 01:34:38,345
they... And what Bowl down to was if

2590
01:34:38,505 --> 01:34:40,832
Guy could forgive that man. And Guy could

2591
01:34:40,832 --> 01:34:42,180
forgive the person that I've used them when

2592
01:34:42,180 --> 01:34:43,923
they were younger. And they didn't want that.

2593
01:34:44,082 --> 01:34:46,618
They couldn't handle idea of seeing that person

2594
01:34:46,618 --> 01:34:48,539
in heaven with them. And that is the

2595
01:34:48,539 --> 01:34:49,893
that is the shocking thing about it.

2596
01:34:50,689 --> 01:34:52,440
About god's grace is that it's there. And

2597
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:54,430
he's okay with us struggling with that. But

2598
01:34:54,430 --> 01:34:56,356
that's is where we had to God's grace

2599
01:34:56,356 --> 01:34:58,930
covered us, it will cover everyone. Awkward

2600
01:34:59,306 --> 01:34:59,806
silence.

2601
01:35:02,496 --> 01:35:04,170
Don't worry, John. I'll take care of that.

2602
01:35:04,503 --> 01:35:04,582
Yep.

2603
01:35:05,694 --> 01:35:06,806
He won't. He's lead in there.

2604
01:35:09,507 --> 01:35:11,810
Oh, man. Alright. Well, I think we've covered

2605
01:35:11,810 --> 01:35:13,819
everything, guys. Alright. Well

2606
01:35:14,846 --> 01:35:15,724
that being said,

2607
01:35:17,717 --> 01:35:18,217
let's

2608
01:35:19,153 --> 01:35:21,646
let's go ahead and exploit our position and

2609
01:35:21,784 --> 01:35:22,980
advertise for a brief moment.

2610
01:35:23,792 --> 01:35:26,026
Come check me out at, playing games of

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strangers. That's all long I'm gonna say Dallas

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2614
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01:36:00,630 --> 01:36:02,145
you you y'all got anything you wanna... You

2627
01:36:02,145 --> 01:36:03,661
don't got anything you wanna promote my dude?

2628
01:36:04,139 --> 01:36:05,734
Not at the moment. Though. Alright.

2629
01:36:07,489 --> 01:36:09,654
Alright. Well, with that being said, thanks so

2630
01:36:09,654 --> 01:36:10,608
much for listening.

2631
01:36:11,322 --> 01:36:13,466
We certainly hope you've enjoyed this. Please engage

2632
01:36:13,466 --> 01:36:15,372
with us on the discord in the face

2633
01:36:15,372 --> 01:36:18,151
space and all the other socials that are

2634
01:36:18,151 --> 01:36:20,475
just destroying the moral fabric of society.

2635
01:36:21,273 --> 01:36:22,251
And goes.

2636
01:36:24,698 --> 01:36:25,756
According geo.

2637
01:36:28,859 --> 01:36:30,699
But that being said, thanks so much for

2638
01:36:30,699 --> 01:36:31,199
listening.

2639
01:36:33,099 --> 01:36:33,739
State devoted.

2640
01:36:35,179 --> 01:36:35,420
Love.

2641
01:37:01,574 --> 01:37:02,795
Copyright infringement.

2642
01:37:05,095 --> 01:37:05,310
You