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Good morning. Hey, we're continuing our who told you that

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series. I've got I think two more weeks to this and then should

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wrap it up. Thank you. But today, I'm going to start out with a

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story about my dogs. We have two dogs, a white boxer. Same as

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Desmo. And then a he's I think he's a Frenchie. That's what

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body tells me. French Bulldog. His name is Rev. I should, I

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got a picture of him. Like these, these are our two, these are

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two guys. Anyway, they're cute. But at our house, we have some

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rules for the dogs. One of those rules is no dogs on the

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couch. And definitely no dogs on this big love sack that we

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have in the living room. They're not allowed on there. And

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when I'm home, they obey perfectly. Like model citizens

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couch what couch? They stay away from it typically. If it's

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just me at home, they're definitely not on the couch or

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the love sack. There's some violators in our home that allow

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them to. At one point, there was someone who spent a lot of

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time at our house. And she would call the dogs up onto the

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couch. And I was like, no, Brittany, stop it. So I've had to

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try and break that. But when I'm home, they don't go on the

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couch. But the second I leave, they're on it. Like they

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ride up on the couch every time the boxer, the white boxer is

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like the main offender. And I like he knows, he knows. I'm not

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sure that the Frenchy understands really anything. So he

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just looks at me with his tongue out most of the time. So I

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don't know if he really knows what's going on. But the boxer

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Desmo, he knows, he knows the rules. He knows what he's

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supposed to do. He's known for years. Sometimes I'll come home,

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and he doesn't hear me pull in. And I'll catch him. I catch him

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on the couch. And it's the funniest thing in the world.

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Because when I catch him, he like, tries to slide off the

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couch, like just like, try to say is low like like slide slithers

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off the couch to pretend like he wasn't there. It's like this

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slow motion, like guilty slither, just like, I don't you

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don't see anything. It's hilarious. But other times I don't

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catch him. But it's obvious that he's been on the couch,

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because he's a white boxer. So he has small white hairs. So

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then there'll be hairs all over the cushions of our gray leather

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couch. And I will stand at the couch and just brush all the

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hair off. There's more looking at him. And he's like, I don't

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know what you're talking about. Or if I don't catch him and I

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lay in the love sack, in my black t shirt. And I get up, it is

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covered in white hairs. They were taught what to do like they

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know, they know the rules, Desmond knows the rules. I put the

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hair on the couch should have a love sack that is the receipt

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that he's not following the rules. I love my dog dogs. I love

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them both, not equally, but both. No, I love my dogs. But in

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Desmond's not a bad dog. He's just a dog. And I'm telling you

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about him, because a lot of us myself included were taught a

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like kind of obedience that works exactly like this, behave when

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God is watching, and get away with it when he's not kind of like

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what nobody would actually say that God's not watching. Obviously,

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if we ask any of us, like, is God always watching? We would

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say, yes, of course, God's omnipresent. Of course, he's

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always watching that that's as we've talked to the series, that's

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our God concept. That's the knowledge that we have of God. We

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know that he's omnipresent, that God is everywhere. But our God

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image, the way that we feel in this relationship with God, most

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of the days, I would say that we don't feel a God who is

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watching until like shame creeps in. And they're like, Oh, like a

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cat, I'm in trouble. I do what I wasn't supposed to do. Suddenly,

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like the watching is everywhere. And we're my boxer sliding off

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the couch like you didn't see this God. So we do these like

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mental gymnastics of God's kind of watching, but I could do

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this. And he's not like we compartmentalize, because if we

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really felt watched by God all the time, we couldn't function,

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not in that type of belief system. So underneath this, like

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whole arrangement is a question that if any of us said out

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loud, might make us kind of uncomfortable. And the question

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is this, it's the one that we've kind of been hovering around

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this since like week four of the series. It's the one that I get

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from a lot of you. When I'm teaching something like this, the

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question is, if there's no fear in the theology that we're

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teaching, if we're saying that fear based theology is not it,

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if there's no fear of like punishment, or hell or losing

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myself, like, what's to keep me from doing whatever I want?

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Right, anybody ever had that question? Just me, and the

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people my DMs? I've heard this question for years. There's

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the situation that happens quite a bit where pastors who

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disagree with me on some theological place that I've

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landed. Usually someone like I have a relationship with me,

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I'm sitting with them, we're talking, they're asking like how

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I got somewhere, like they're genuinely trying to figure out

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like where, where's the break in my theological car, right?

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Where do you stop on where the breaks at? It's a fair question.

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And I'll try and answer it as honestly as I can. But first,

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these pastors whenever, whenever a pastor pushes back on what I

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believe about sin, repentance, hell, my beliefs on LGBTQ inclusion,

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the conversation, it almost always goes to the same place,

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not almost, it always goes the same place. Within a couple

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minutes, it always goes to LGBTQ. And the pastor is saying

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something like, well, I mean, if I just wanted to cheat on my

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wife, wouldn't that be wrong? Wouldn't that be a sinful lifestyle?

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Would you be okay with me living in a sinful lifestyle? Like

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literally, I've heard this version of this question so many

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times. And so now when we're having this conversation, I start

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listening, I'm like, all right, I'm just waiting for it to come.

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And for me, like, gently because I do love these guys and trying

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to be as honest as I can. But when a man tells me that the only

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thing keeping him from cheating on his wife is the threat of

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divine punishment. He's telling on himself a little bit. And it's

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not and it's not always cheating on wife. There's another part of

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it that I get. But I think there's kids in here. So they're

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always like, well, if I'm addicted to watching this thing, or

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would you be okay with that? You guys know where I'm going with

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this? He's admitting that fear is the break for him that without

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the threat, he'd do exactly the thing he's warning me about. And

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I want to ask as kindly as I can, if fear is the only thing

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keeping you faithful to your spouse, to your kids, to your

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community, like, then how solid is the love underneath that? Because

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it's not the obedience of a husband who adores his wife. That's

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like the obedience of a hostage. Really, like, they're in

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those are two very different things. Because fear can make you

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comply to the rules. But only love can make you want to. And

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Jesus was always after the want. So last week, I said, fear

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changes behavior, but it doesn't change the person. It

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produces compliance without transformation. So people who

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act right in public fall apart in private under this, this fear

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system fear can produce that hostage, but it can't produce

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like a child of love, like someone who believes they're an air

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to the kingdom. And here's someone I want you to hear today. We

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don't have to argue this in theory, because we have decades

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of receipts. Look at what fear based theology has actually

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produced every week. And the Christian leader is in the news

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for something hidden. sexual abuse, financial fraud, affairs,

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cover ups. In 2019, our own paper, the San Antonio Express

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news, along with the Houston Chronicle, did a six month

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investigation called abuse of faith, exposing the Southern

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Baptist Convention leaders, and how they spent two decades

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covering up sexual abuse, about 380 leaders and 700 victims were

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found in this study. Many of the abusers had been moved quietly

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from church to church. And then in 2022, the SBC Southern Baptist

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Convention, they finally, they were forced to release like a

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public list of accused abusers. And the list was 205 pages long.

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So 205 pages. And the part that she like sit with us, straight

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from the Express News editorial board says this, SBC leaders

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have used the lack of hierarchy as an excuse for why they've done

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so little to punish predators. Yet they've been able to expel

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churches that violated their rules by having female pastors or

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welcoming gang lesbian worshipers. I read that again. They

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couldn't act on sexual abuse. But they could act on women in

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ministry and LGBTQ affirming churches. This isn't a structural

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problem. It's a values problem. It, it tells you exactly what the

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framework prioritizes. And exactly what it doesn't. And these

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aren't outliers. This is a pattern. And if we stop ignoring it,

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maybe we can address it. I don't want to sound like I'm just

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attacking the church, but I think we have to call it out that

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like my attention here is not to just attack. My hope would

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really be that we would start asking better questions in the

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church. Like actually look at the fruit of what our theology

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and frameworks produces. Matthew 715, Jesus says, watch out for

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false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing. But

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inwardly, they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit, you will

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recognize them. Which is always funny because this verse will

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get thrown at me. I'm like, I mean, okay. Let's look at some

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fruits. One aren't always good. But I think that love, joy, peace,

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kindness, fate, like these are the things that we're trying to

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achieve here. If the fruit is producing things that harm

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people and I don't protect the vulnerable, then I think it's

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absolutely mandatory that we start asking questions. And the

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push back all here on this question or on this push on this

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like approach is you have a chat that the church does like so

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much good. Like enormous amounts of charity work. Church gives

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billions every year. They're in hospitals and food banks and

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shelters. They're often the biggest organization serving

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people in need. And all of that is true. That's real work. It

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matters. But my thought there is that there's still something

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underneath all of this. You guys know that I'm in school

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doing psychological research. Some I'm I've got lots of

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questions. And when I look at things like the psychology of

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religion has long produced like paradoxical literature

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findings on religion and repeat like religiosity. In the way

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this is what I mean, the paradox here. Religion in studies

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correlates with both pro social behavior and prejudice or

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religion correlates with compassion and authoritarianism.

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So basically when psych psychology researchers say someone is

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more religious. Like what they actually mean, it's a

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combination of a few measurable things. But how often does

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somebody attend church? How important do they say their

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faith is to them? How strongly they hold their religious

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beliefs? How central religion is to their identity and how they

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see the world? So you ask all these questions. And once you

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get some like the list of people that score high on

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religiosity. So their religion matters to them. And most of

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these studies are on Christianity in the US right

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now. You score high. So these things get measured. And then you

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add them together and you get a score for how religious a

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person is. And the more they show up, the more they pray, the

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more central their faith to hire their religiosity score.

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Right. And then researchers will take that finding and they'll

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correlate that score with other things. Like, are these people

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more generous? More likely to volunteer? More likely to help

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a stranger? Yes, oftentimes, when they're studying this, the

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high religiosity leads to giving more to charity or serving

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more hours. But are the same people also more likely to hold

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prejudice views? More likely to support authoritarian leaders?

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More likely to discriminate against people outside of their

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group? Also, yes, those correlate in the psychological

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research findings. So in the same study, the same people can

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give to charity and volunteer their hours, and also be highly

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prejudiced. And this doesn't shock anyone. How does the same

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thing produce both? How does high religiosity produce both of

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these things? Well, that's the question I'm trying to find

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out. That's the question that I want to test. That's why my

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focus, one of my focuses in the research, but my my growing

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belief in this is that the God image that we've talked about a

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person carry, like the God image that a person carries, how they

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feel about God, who they feel God is, is God a punishing God, a

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God that is evaluating their performance, or is God a loving

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God, a kind God, one that forgives one that is unconditionally

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loving? Like, which which way do you experience God? And I think

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my belief is that that God image that a person carries matters

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more than how religious they are. And a lot of the studies don't

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don't measure these things. So studies are finding like

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religious religiosity reliably predicts compassion. This is an

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interesting one. But it doesn't reliably predict empathy.

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That one stood out to me, there's like lots of studies, high

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religiosity, compassionate people, high religiosity, not really

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empathetic. And most of you probably don't live in this world.

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But watching over the last few years, pastors have become like

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anti empathy in a lot of their content. Empathy is not Christian,

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is and is not Christ like, which is mind blowing. But here's my

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my thought on this. Here's here's where I'm landing right now.

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Compassion is it is the impulse to help. Like it can come from a

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beautiful place. But I also think it's performance compatible.

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Like it can coexist with an evaluating God who rewards moral

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effort. So a God who is getting like grading your performance in

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that God image, compassion can can fit in that, because the more

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compassionate I am, the better I look. And I'm not saying that

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everyone that that's the reason they're compassionate. But I

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think this is where this correlation happens. You can be

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compassionate and still believe certain people don't deserve

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your help. Empathy is feeling with someone entering their

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experience. And empathy requires what compassion doesn't. You

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have to feel safe from evaluation yourself to enter another

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person's pain. Because if like, let's just use a an analogy,

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like, if someone is messy, and you're being graded on your

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performance of how clean you are, when you get into their mess,

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and you become messy also, because you're in it, then you're

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being evaluated. So with empathy, if you are in the mess with

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someone, you can't be unless you can live in a place where

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evaluation isn't the focus. Only a non evaluative God image

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makes that possible. Like watch how this plays out. The church

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builds hospitals and supports wars that destroy them. After 9/11,

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American evangelicals became one of the most consistent blocks

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supporting military action against Muslim majority countries.

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Still are. Prominent Christian leaders publicly call Islam a

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wicked religion. While their church funds mission work in

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those regions, because there's an evaluation part of that. So

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compassion for the convert, and then warfare on everyone else.

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The church runs food pantries on Saturday on Sunday preaches

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that immigrants in the poor don't deserve government help. They

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need to work for prove they deserve it. The deserving poor

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get charity. The undeserving. They get policed. That is

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compassion without empathy. It's selective. It's evaluative.

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It's performance compatible with a God image that most of us

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inherited. But my thought is the fruit testifies. So what's the

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alternative? Jesus said something that almost every Christian

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this room has heard a hundred times. It's usually quoted as a

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warning, sometimes a threat, almost never like a description.

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But Jesus says, if you love me, keep my commands. If you love

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me, you'll keep my commandments. Most of us read that verse like

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this. If you love me enough, you better keep my rules. A test,

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a condition, a door, you have to keep proving your worthy to

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walk through. I think we've been reading it wrong. Jesus isn't

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making a condition here. That's not how Jesus worked. He's

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making an observation, stating a fact about how love actually

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works. When you genuinely love someone, you don't need a rule

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telling you not to hurt them. The love itself makes harm

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unthinkable. The relationship protects the relationship.

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That's not lowering a bar of obedience. That's relocating

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the source. And when Jesus says, keep my commands, we typically

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want to ask what commands, right? And the church has spent

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2,000 years importing all kinds of things onto that list. The

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entire Old Testament code, pause letters as a rule book,

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centuries of moral codes that varied by culture and era.

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We hand all of that to people and say, this is what loving God

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looks like. Keep all of this.

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But in the same set of scripture, Jesus told us in his own words

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what loving him looks like. He gave us a specific picture. He

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said, for I was hungry and you fed me. I was thirsty and you

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gave me a drink. I was homeless and you gave me a room. I was

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shivering and you gave me clothes. I was sick and you stopped

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to visit. I was in prison and you came to me. I'm telling the

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solemn truth. Whenever you did one of these things to someone

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overlooked or ignored, that was me. You did it to me.

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When Jesus tells us what his commandments actually are, he

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doesn't list the things the modern church spends most of its

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energy on. He doesn't mention sexual ethics. He doesn't

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mention dietary purity. He mentions hunger. First, homelessness,

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sickness, being a stranger and experiencing the relationship,

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being in prison and experiencing someone visiting the

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commandments Jesus is asking us to keep are about how we treat

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each other. And the part that I think should sit with us is in

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this, the context of it, Jesus is not talking to like

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outsiders. He's not warning outsiders about what it looks

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like and how they're going to get kicked out or he's standing

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in front of his own religious community, the people who

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consider themselves God's people and telling them that on the

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day of judgment, the question is how they treated the hungry,

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the sick, the imprisoned, the stranger. Look at what some of

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the early church fathers said about this. Not to share your

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own wealth with the poor is theft from the poor and

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deprivation of their means of life. We do not possess our own

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wealth, but theirs. Thomas Aquinas, Aquinas, 13th century

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theologian, probably like the greatest Catholic philosopher.

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Aquinas says this when talking about this, in cases of need,

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all things are common property. If the need be so manifest and

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urgent that the present need must be remedy, then it is lawful for

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a man to succor, succor, his own need by means of another's

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property, nor is this prop properly speaking theft or

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robbery. So if someone needs something and you have it and

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they take it, that's not theft because they needed it. This

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is how far Aquinas goes with this.

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So when the pushback happened, and Aquinas was responding, when

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they say, but isn't sharing supposed to be voluntary?

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Aquinas says no. In cases of genuine need, sharing isn't

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voluntary, withholding is the violation.

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In Matthew 25, the people being told depart for me, I never knew

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you are not pagans, they are religious people, church

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people, they thought they were on the right side. This was an

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indictment on his own faith community.

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And so we have to ask questions about ours. Because again, the

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fruit testifies to what we believe or we're teaching and how

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we see God and experience Jesus. I'm not saying let everybody

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steal your stuff. But we have to be honest about this.

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It's a hard time right now financially. We are still in

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the greatest, like place we could be ourselves, comparatively

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speaking. There's a guy that sleeps in the back corner of our

00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.560
church every single night. He's been there for five years,

00:28:49.560 --> 00:28:56.680
probably. Buddy, Buddy and I have had so many conversations

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over five years. He calls me Pops, which is weird because he's

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older than me. I've tried to get Buddy into housing and

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apartments and just different types of like programs and

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help. And he's always like, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready,

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and then we'll try. And then he fights with someone. And I've

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heard Buddy's story. I love Buddy. But if we're not taking

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care of Buddy, then we're not taking care of Jesus. And we

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have to ask, what is the fruit of what we believe? In the same

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move, the same idea, Jesus is talking again to religious

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people. He's talking to the religious lawyer. And the

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religious lawyer asking him a question, who is my neighbor?

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Because he's trying to figure out who am I supposed like they

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were talking about the commandments, keep my commands,

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love God, love your neighbor as yourself. And this guy's like,

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cool, who's my neighbor? Just so I know who I have to love.

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Which if we're honest, that's the question we ask in the

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church, in the modern church, like, okay, who really is my who

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do I really have to take care of? Not long ago, J.D. Vance

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gave a talk about this like belief, this Catholic belief

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that like, I'm supposed to take care of myself, my family, and

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then others, it was this list. And the pope was like, you got

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that all wrong. Which the pope he's he's ready, he's ready, he's

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ready to go. So who's my neighbor? The question, it's a

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boundary question. Who do I have to love? Who's in my circle?

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Who's out? Jesus doesn't answer the question. He tells the

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story, right? The story of the Good Samaritan. He, a man is

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beaten and left for dead. A priest walks up and walks past

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him. He can't get dirty. The rules say he can't get dirty.

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Believe I another religious walk worker walks past, both are

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busy, both have rules that they have to follow in order to stay

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pure and clean and religiously holy. They walk past him. Then a

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Samaritan, the cultural enemy of the Jews, a heretic, the wrong

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kind of person gets down in the dirt with him, cleans his wounds,

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carries him to an end, and pays for his care. And says, if

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there's anything left, I'll pay the balance. I'll be back. And

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Jesus in this story flips that question. He doesn't answer who

00:31:52.360 --> 00:31:57.520
is my neighbor. He asked the lawyer, which of these three

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prove to be a neighbor? Do you hear the move there? The lawyer

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asked who counts, who's in? And Jesus says wrong question. The

00:32:09.600 --> 00:32:15.200
right question is, who acted like a neighbor? Who is loving

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others? The priest and the Levite, they probably gave the

00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:28.760
charity, their compassion, but they didn't have empathy. They

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didn't enter the man's suffering. The Samaritan did. And

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honestly, like by that test, a lot of what gets called Christian

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in this country today fails miserably. We've built an

00:32:44.280 --> 00:32:49.600
industry around policing who people sleep with while ignoring

00:32:49.600 --> 00:32:58.040
the people sleeping outside. We've built movements around

00:32:58.040 --> 00:33:01.520
protecting our preferences while abandoning the prisoner, the

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immigrant, the poor. Jesus told us the test. We just didn't

00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:15.800
want to take it. Now, someone here is already thinking, okay,

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what about Paul? Because we're Christians and Paul's kind of

00:33:20.840 --> 00:33:26.320
our guy, right? Because Paul has lists. He gives us some list.

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Galatians five, First Corinthians six, Romans one, their

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behaviors, things that keep you out of the kingdom. And the

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modern church has built theological systems around those

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lists, made them into like rule codes, use them as ammunition.

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But Paul himself told us what happens when you turn his

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teachings into a rule code. Listen to Romans seven says this,

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but I need something more for if I know the law, but still can't

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keep it. And if the power of sin within me keeps sabotaging my

00:34:02.080 --> 00:34:06.480
best intentions, I obviously need help. I realize that I don't

00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:10.920
have what it takes. I can will it, but I can't do it. I

00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.720
decide to do good, but I don't really do it. I decide not to do

00:34:14.720 --> 00:34:18.960
bad. But then I do it anyway. My decisions, such as they are,

00:34:19.040 --> 00:34:23.640
don't result in actions. Something has gone wrong deep within

00:34:23.640 --> 00:34:28.960
me and gets the better of me every time. Paul's describing

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exactly what we saw earlier in this like fear based rule based

00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:37.800
self monitoring, monitoring obedience. And he's telling us

00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.800
it doesn't work. He actually says that the law where the rule

00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:49.320
code is that increases sin. When you have these rules that

00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:50.680
you're trying to follow and you're trying to follow them

00:34:50.680 --> 00:34:52.880
because they're the rules, it increases sin. That was the

00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:56.600
point of it. So that grace can abound. And then when he's

00:34:56.600 --> 00:34:59.160
asked the question like, okay, so we have grace like we can

00:34:59.160 --> 00:35:01.440
just keep on sending he's like, man, you got it wrong. Like

00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:05.840
you're still trying to put it in the rule book. We don't play

00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:15.560
that game. There's a school story. William Paul Young, I

00:35:15.560 --> 00:35:18.080
think it's his name, together with the shack. I heard you tell

00:35:18.080 --> 00:35:23.960
the story about this guy dies. He was a pastor, most his life

00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:26.240
like didn't ministry for 30 years gave the charity did

00:35:26.240 --> 00:35:28.960
everything right. He dies. He goes to the pearly gates. He

00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:32.920
stand there talking to Peter and Peter's like, Hey, welcome. And

00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:35.320
he goes, Okay, so what do I got to do like, like is it like a

00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.080
hundred points like I got to prove myself and Peter's like,

00:35:38.520 --> 00:35:43.480
sure, go ahead. So I've been a pastor for 30 years. I've been

00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:45.920
ministering like most of my life and Peter's like, all right,

00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.880
I'll give you two points and he's like two points. But okay, I

00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:50.880
get to charity and I did this. Okay, I'll give you another

00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:52.800
point. You guys like how am I going to get to a hundred

00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.960
points? And while he's doing this, a guy from his town, who he

00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:00.280
knew was kind of sketchy, but he was there and like, everyone's

00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.440
in a while. He would see him. He'd be nice. But he'd spent some

00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.120
time at the bar. Like, this wasn't the guy that you would

00:36:06.120 --> 00:36:08.920
say. This is the best Christian in the world. And the guy comes

00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.840
walking and he's like, Hey, Peter, Peter says, what's up? And he

00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:14.960
walks into the to the pearly gates. And he's like, wait, that

00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:18.920
guy had a hundred points. And Peter goes, no, he just doesn't

00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:25.080
play that game. But keep going. And I think this is what Paul

00:36:25.080 --> 00:36:32.120
saying, the rules aren't what this is about. He's describing and

00:36:32.120 --> 00:36:35.320
saying that this doesn't work. When you really look at Paul's

00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:41.640
letters, he is, he is putting the law and grace and freedom next

00:36:41.640 --> 00:36:44.800
to each other and saying, this is what we're in. We are no

00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:49.160
longer under the law. We're in grace and freedom. And it leads

00:36:49.160 --> 00:36:54.920
to loving others. Like, the more you focus on not doing the

00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:58.560
bad thing, the more the bad thing becomes all you can see.

00:37:00.160 --> 00:37:03.920
Right? We've all say we were all kids, but we're all adults

00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:09.680
like we know this like, this is the pastor saying, well, what

00:37:09.680 --> 00:37:14.560
if I cheat on my wife? You're focused on something. And it's

00:37:14.560 --> 00:37:21.880
not the right thing. A corrupted mindset, it finds validation

00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:28.400
easily. Tell someone they are fundamentally sexual beings

00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:34.440
who desire whose desires must be suppressed. And that's all they

00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:40.960
will think about. Tell them they are inherently selfish. They will

00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:47.600
only see their own selfishness. The framework reinforces what it

00:37:47.600 --> 00:37:54.560
claims to fight. So how do we read Paul's list then? Realistically,

00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:59.400
what does this look like? We read them relationally, not as a

00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:05.520
rule code, as relational diagnostic tools. Here's his

00:38:05.520 --> 00:38:09.600
vise list in Galatians five is obvious, what kind of life

00:38:09.600 --> 00:38:12.280
develops out of trying to get your own way all the time,

00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.360
repetitive, loveless, cheap sex, stinking accumulation of mental

00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:20.120
and emotional garbage, frenzied and joyless grabs for happiness,

00:38:20.200 --> 00:38:23.880
trinket gods, magic show religion, paranoid loneliness, cut

00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.720
throat competition, all consuming yet never satisfied once, a

00:38:27.720 --> 00:38:32.400
brutal temper, an impotence to love or to be loved, divided homes

00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:36.360
and divided lives, small minded and lopsided pursuits, the vicious

00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:41.960
habit of depersonalizing everyone into a rival, uncontrolled and

00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:46.920
uncontrollable addictions, ugly parodies of community. Every

00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:51.280
item on that list is a description of harm to somebody,

00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:56.720
harm to another person, or a corrupted self view that is

00:38:56.720 --> 00:39:02.520
spilling out onto others, loveless sex, harm, brutal temper,

00:39:02.520 --> 00:39:07.280
harm, depersonalizing others, harm, addictions that consume the

00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:11.240
people around you harm, like these are all harmful things in

00:39:11.240 --> 00:39:16.920
relationships. Paul isn't handing us a checklist of things God

00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:21.840
doesn't like. He's describing what corrupted self perception

00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:27.280
produces when it leaks into relationships. Then the fruit

00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:32.360
list from last week, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,

00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:35.640
goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control, also

00:39:35.640 --> 00:39:43.480
relational. Every item is a way of treating others well. He isn't

00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:47.160
handing us to opposing rule books. He's describing what comes

00:39:47.160 --> 00:39:52.160
out of a corrupted body versus a regulated one. The vice

00:39:52.160 --> 00:39:56.320
list is what flows from shame driven self. And the fruit list

00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:02.680
is what flows from a body that knows it is loved. You can't

00:40:03.120 --> 00:40:08.560
white knuckle your way from one list to the other. You can

00:40:08.560 --> 00:40:15.560
only, as Jesus said, change your mind. Metanoia, receive love

00:40:15.560 --> 00:40:19.200
at a level deep enough that your body starts producing different

00:40:19.200 --> 00:40:27.680
fruit. There's so much like psychology on it, like how

00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:32.640
motivations extrinsic extrinsic and intrinsic and what what

00:40:32.640 --> 00:40:35.440
actually motivates us and what doesn't. And you guys can look

00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:40.960
that up. Or even developmental research with kids, like if you

00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:45.200
tell a child for 10 years that they're fundamentally corrupt

00:40:45.200 --> 00:40:48.000
that their desires are dangerous, their bodies are sinful,

00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.720
their natural impulses must be suppressed to be acceptable.

00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.000
You produce exactly what the headlines show every single

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week. Hidden lives repressed shame, eventual collapse. Because

00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:07.000
shame based formation does not produce holiness. It produces

00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:11.240
hiding. It produces double lives. It produces the very thing it

00:41:11.240 --> 00:41:19.520
claims to prevent the fruit testifies. So what is love based

00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.680
or love sourced obedience actually look like on a Monday

00:41:22.680 --> 00:41:27.280
morning? It looks like honesty. Now, not because lying is on a

00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:31.840
prohibited list. But because deception fractures the

00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:38.400
relationship you care about, or generosity, not because the tie

00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:42.640
this 10%, this is the this is the moment you guys ready? But

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because a person who knows they're provided for finds it easy

00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:51.880
to give. And they give to things that they believe are doing

00:41:51.880 --> 00:42:00.520
good work, or fidelity, not because of the consequences of

00:42:00.520 --> 00:42:02.680
failure, but because the relationship itself is worth

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protecting. Welcoming up with a stranger, not because Jesus

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said to, but because you know what it feels like to be welcomed

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and you can't stop extending that care for the poor, the sick,

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imprisoned, not because Matthew 25 commands it. But because

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once you've been seen, you can't look away from someone the

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world has stopped seeing love sourced obedience doesn't look

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like fear based obedience like with the volume turned down. It's

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a completely different thing sourced from somewhere else

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entirely. And here's the thing that nobody told me when I was

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younger. You are never going to figure this out. Nobody in this

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room has this figured out. I've literally been studying this

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stuff for like 20 years now. And I still can't figure it out. And

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I mean, this is good news. We think the goal of the Christian

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life is to eventually arrive somewhere to get to a point

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where we're mature enough, holy enough, sanctified enough to

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finally have the answers. But if the goal is to experience God's

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love and to love others, well, you can't arrive. There's no

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figuring it out. There's no destination where we suddenly

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have it worked out. Paul tells us in Ephesians 3, we've read

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this verse throughout this series. Like the love of God is so

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vast that his prayer is that you would just continue to find

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it, just continue to find the edges of it, chase it. Paul says

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God's love is so vast, wide, long, high, deep that it will

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never find the edges of it. Not in this lifetime. Not in the

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next. There is always more. We don't arrive. We don't graduate.

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We keep going. Hebrews puts it like this, let us run with

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perseverance. The race marked out for us fixing our eyes on

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Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. Notice what it

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doesn't say. It doesn't say finish the race. It doesn't say

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win the race. It doesn't say it just says run it. Keep running.

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Eyes on Jesus marked out for you. What are we running toward?

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Paul tells us in earlier in Ephesians, for we are God's

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handiwork created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God

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prepared in advance for us to do? Good works prepared in

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advance. What good works? I would argue the ones Jesus

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described in Matthew 25, seeing people, loving the person God

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puts in front of you in this moment. There's like 8 billion

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people on this earth. 8 billion good works. God is prepared.

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8 billion opportunities to show love, to show up. We keep

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learning. We keep growing. We keep finding new ways to love

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every day, a new adventure. Every day someone new to love

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well. Every day a creative challenge to figure it out. How

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do I love this person in front of me in this moment in this

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season? What can I do that is loving them? You can't find the

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edge of that because there's always more people and there's

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always more ways to love. The journey of this life is the

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adventure. Like that's it. The journey is it. The

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destination is just the moment we get to look back at where we've

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been. So here's a question I'm going to leave you with. Sit

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with it. Don't answer it today. What would it look like to

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approach that same area of your life that maybe you've been

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living from fear? You've been trying to white knuckle your

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way through it? What would it look like to approach that same

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area from a place of love instead?

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Think about the area of your life where you're still trying to obey

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out of fear. Still managing, performing, white knuckling it,

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behaving when you feel watched and falling apart when you're not.

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What would it look like to approach that same area from a place of

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love instead? Because this is the only kind of change Jesus

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ever asked for. Not effort, reorientation. Not working

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harder, a new desire. Fear can make you comply. Love can make you

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want to. And Jesus was always after the one. It's a different kind of

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obedience sourced not from fear but from love made

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complete. And the way that love is made complete is what we say

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every single week. Arsenal, go love well. It's who you're made to be.

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I love you guys. Go do that. We'll see you next week.
