[{"start": 0.0, "end": 21.52, "text": "Music.", "newpara": true}, {"start": 21.515, "end": 26.765, "text": "Hey everybody, welcome to episode 384 of The Virtual Couch. I'm your host, Tony Overbay.", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Hey everybody, welcome to episode 384 of The Virtual Couch. I'm your host, Tony Overbay.", 21.52, 26.77, 1.0]]}, {"start": 26.765, "end": 30.645, "text": "I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist, host of Waking Up to Narcissism, Murder on", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist, host of Waking Up to Narcissism, Murder on", 26.77, 30.65, 1.0]]}, {"start": 30.645, "end": 35.485, "text": "the Couch, Waking Up to Narcissism, The Question and Answer. And one quick plug, please go", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["the Couch, Waking Up to Narcissism, The Question and Answer. And one quick plug, please go", 30.65, 35.49, 1.0]]}, {"start": 35.485, "end": 41.285, "text": "check out the Linktree link in the show notes. And my marriage course, the Magnetic Marriage", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["check out the Linktree link in the show notes. And my marriage course, the Magnetic Marriage", 35.49, 41.29, 1.0]]}, {"start": 41.285, "end": 47.045, "text": "course is about to be up and running again, and it has been updated and it is back and", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["course is about to be up and running again, and it has been updated and it is back and", 41.29, 47.05, 1.0]]}, {"start": 47.045, "end": 50.165, "text": "better than ever. So I would love to have you learn how to communicate more effectively", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["better than ever. So I would love to have you learn how to communicate more effectively", 47.05, 50.17, 1.0]]}, {"start": 50.165, "end": 55.094, "text": "in your marriage. So just find that link and you'll be hearing more information soon.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["in your marriage. So just find that link and you'll be hearing more information soon.", 50.17, 55.09, 1.0]]}, {"start": 55.285, "end": 59.565, "text": "But I want to get to the interview today. Today, I am interviewing a legitimate filmmaker,", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["But I want to get to the interview today. Today, I am interviewing a legitimate filmmaker,", 55.29, 59.57, 1.0]]}, {"start": 59.565, "end": 64.445, "text": "Reid Harkness. Reid was kind enough to come on the podcast and talk about his film, Sam", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["Reid Harkness. Reid was kind enough to come on the podcast and talk about his film, Sam", 59.57, 64.45, 1.0]]}, {"start": 64.445, "end": 69.565, "text": "Now. And I thought the best way to give an introduction to the film itself is to go over", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["Now. And I thought the best way to give an introduction to the film itself is to go over", 64.45, 69.57, 1.0]]}, {"start": 69.565, "end": 75.445, "text": "to the words of a legitimate film reviewer. So from RogerEbert.com, Matt Zoller Seitz", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["to the words of a legitimate film reviewer. So from RogerEbert.com, Matt Zoller Seitz", 69.57, 75.45, 1.0]]}, {"start": 75.445, "end": 81.325, "text": "wrote a review of the movie, Sam Now, and he gave it four stars, but there's two paragraphs", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["wrote a review of the movie, Sam Now, and he gave it four stars, but there's two paragraphs", 75.45, 81.33, 1.0]]}, {"start": 81.325, "end": 86.245, "text": "I wanted to read, maybe three paragraphs from this review, and then we'll get to that interview", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["I wanted to read, maybe three paragraphs from this review, and then we'll get to that interview", 81.33, 86.25, 1.0]]}, {"start": 86.245, "end": 91.94, "text": "because I have so many thoughts about this movie is, well, let me read from Matt from", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["because I have so many thoughts about this movie is, well, let me read from Matt from", 86.25, 91.94, 1.0]]}, {"start": 92.012, "end": 92.642, "text": "RogerEbert.com.", "confidence": 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152.385, "end": 155.765, "text": "But let me add in there, there's enough humor and there are just so many powerful", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["But let me add in there, there's enough humor and there are just so many powerful", 152.39, 155.77, 1.0]]}, {"start": 155.765, "end": 160.485, "text": "moments that I hope this doesn't sound like this is just a doom and gloom kind of movie", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["moments that I hope this doesn't sound like this is just a doom and gloom kind of movie", 155.77, 160.49, 1.0]]}, {"start": 160.485, "end": 164.525, "text": "because it's not. It is, it's beautiful and it's magical and it's funny and it's", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["because it's not. It is, it's beautiful and it's magical and it's funny and it's", 160.49, 164.53, 1.0]]}, {"start": 164.66, "end": 168.925, "text": "powerful and it makes you laugh and cry and all the emotions, which as a", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["powerful and it makes you laugh and cry and all the emotions, which as a", 164.66, 168.93, 1.0]]}, {"start": 169.072, "end": 172.525, "text": "therapist I appreciate that. It's nice to be able to feel a lot of different", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["therapist I appreciate that. It's nice to be able to feel a lot of different", 169.07, 172.53, 1.0]]}, {"start": 172.525, "end": 174.473, "text": "things and sit with that and see what it brings up for you.", "confidence": 0.96, "timestamps": [["things and sit with that and see what it brings up for you.", 172.53, 174.47, 0.9582410454750061]]}, {"start": 175.202, "end": 178.712, "text": "But it says much of the first half is about Reed and Sam embarking on a two-person odyssey", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["But it says much of the first half is about Reed and Sam embarking on a two-person odyssey", 175.2, 178.71, 1.0]]}, {"start": 178.712, "end": 182.892, "text": "to find Joyce, playing private detective by diving into search engines and questioning", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["to find Joyce, playing private detective by diving into search engines and questioning", 178.71, 182.89, 1.0]]}, {"start": 182.892, "end": 185.627, "text": "friends and relatives, including Joyce's mother and aunt.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["friends and relatives, including Joyce's mother and aunt.", 182.89, 185.63, 1.0]]}, {"start": 185.832, "end": 186.752, "text": "But here's the main part.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["But here's the main part.", 185.83, 186.75, 1.0]]}, {"start": 187.552, "end": 190.852, "text": "It surely didn't occur to either of the young storytellers that they were doing something", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["It surely didn't occur to either of the young storytellers that they were doing something", 187.55, 190.85, 1.0]]}, {"start": 190.852, "end": 194.449, "text": "that most of their elders wouldn't be skilled enough or emotionally tough enough to do.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["that most of their elders wouldn't be skilled enough or emotionally tough enough to do.", 190.85, 194.45, 1.0]]}, {"start": 195.072, "end": 198.792, "text": "But everything about their quest is astounding, including the nerve and faith required to", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["But everything about their quest is astounding, including the nerve and faith required to", 195.07, 198.79, 1.0]]}, {"start": 198.792, "end": 201.021, "text": "embark on such a journey in the first place.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["embark on such a journey in the first place.", 198.79, 201.02, 1.0]]}, {"start": 201.572, "end": 206.35, "text": "The incisive questions that then 20-something Reed asked various interviewees who knew Joyce", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["The incisive questions that then 20-something Reed asked various interviewees who knew Joyce", 201.57, 206.35, 1.0]]}, {"start": 206.764, "end": 208.718, "text": "and were destroyed by her disappearance.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["and were destroyed by her disappearance.", 206.76, 208.72, 1.0]]}, {"start": 209.132, "end": 213.633, "text": "The raw honesty and perceptiveness of the answers he gets even from subjects who resist his probing.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["The raw honesty and perceptiveness of the answers he gets even from subjects who resist", 209.13, 213.09, 1.0], ["his probing.", 213.09, 213.63, 1.0]]}, {"start": 214.252, "end": 218.052, "text": "And most of all, the openness and emotional transparency of his brother, leading man,", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And most of all, the openness and emotional transparency of his brother, leading man,", 214.25, 218.05, 1.0]]}, {"start": 218.052, "end": 218.872, "text": "and best friend, Sam.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["and best friend, Sam.", 218.05, 218.87, 1.0]]}, {"start": 219.934, "end": 229.612, "text": "So I would encourage you to listen to the interview. Go find the movie Sam now and I think that watch it and then come back, maybe even listen", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["So I would encourage you to listen to the interview.", 219.93, 222.99, 1.0], ["Go find the movie Sam now and I think that watch it and then come back, maybe even listen", 223.57, 229.61, 1.0]]}, {"start": 229.612, "end": 234.372, "text": "to the interview again, and I'm going to record a little bit more after the interview, just", "confidence": 0.98, "timestamps": [["to the interview again, and I'm going to record a little bit more after the interview, just", 229.61, 234.37, 0.9830732941627502]]}, {"start": 234.372, "end": 237.772, "text": "some additional thoughts that I had that I'd hoped that we would get to in the interview", "confidence": 0.98, "timestamps": [["some additional thoughts that I had that I'd hoped that we would get to in the interview", 234.37, 237.77, 0.9830732941627502]]}, {"start": 237.772, "end": 241.932, "text": "with Reed, but we just simply ran out of time. They may make sense out of context, but I", "confidence": 0.98, "timestamps": [["with Reed, but we just simply ran out of time. They may make sense out of context, but I", 237.77, 241.93, 0.9830732941627502]]}, {"start": 241.932, "end": 246.662, "text": "think that there's some just really fascinating things that I pulled out of the movie. And", "confidence": 0.98, "timestamps": [["think that there's some just really fascinating things that I pulled out of the movie. And", 241.93, 246.66, 0.9830732941627502]]}, {"start": 246.972, "end": 250.209, "text": "so I would love to get your feedback. If you've seen the movie or after you do see the movie,", "confidence": 0.98, "timestamps": [["so I would love to get your feedback. If you've seen the movie or after you do see the movie,", 246.97, 250.21, 0.9830732941627502]]}, {"start": 250.532, "end": 254.292, "text": "please reach out to me at contact at TonyOverbay.com. Let me know what you think and send in your", "confidence": 0.98, "timestamps": [["please reach out to me at contact at TonyOverbay.com. Let me know what you think and send in your", 250.53, 254.29, 0.9830732941627502]]}, {"start": 254.292, "end": 259.532, "text": "questions and maybe this will spark another podcast episode where we can talk more about", "confidence": 0.98, "timestamps": [["questions and maybe this will spark another podcast episode where we can talk more about", 254.29, 259.53, 0.9830732941627502]]}, {"start": 259.532, "end": 263.592, "text": "attachment or emotional immaturity and maybe we can even coax Reed back on.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["attachment or emotional immaturity and maybe we can even coax Reed back on.", 259.53, 263.59, 0.9973167777061462]]}, {"start": 263.592, "end": 267.493, "text": "Let's get to my interview with Reed Harkness, the director of SAM Now.", "confidence": 0.98, "timestamps": [["Let's get to my interview with Reed Harkness, the director of SAM Now.", 263.59, 267.49, 0.9817584753036499]]}, {"start": 267.92, "end": 274.16, "text": "Music.", "newpara": true}, {"start": 274.155, "end": 278.325, "text": "Reid Harkness, welcome to The Virtual Couch, eventually to Waking Up the Narcissism and", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Reid Harkness, welcome to The Virtual Couch, eventually to Waking Up the Narcissism and", 274.16, 278.33, 1.0]]}, {"start": 278.325, "end": 282.167, "text": "then any other podcast franchise that I maintain because I really was that impressed with the", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["then any other podcast franchise that I maintain because I really was that impressed with the", 278.33, 282.17, 1.0]]}, {"start": 282.245, "end": 286.445, "text": "movie and I'm really excited to have you on here. So I want to share this shout out from the rooftop.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["movie and I'm really excited to have you on here.", 282.25, 284.17, 1.0], ["So I want to share this shout out from the rooftop.", 284.17, 286.45, 1.0]]}, {"start": 286.445, "end": 287.181, "text": "So thanks for coming on.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["So thanks for coming on.", 286.45, 287.18, 1.0]]}, {"start": 287.613, "end": 295.725, "text": "Thank you, Tony. It's good to be here. Yeah. And this is where I'm going to kind of claim the whole healthy ego or I've done four or", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["Thank you, Tony.", 287.61, 288.45, 1.0], ["It's good to be here.", 288.45, 289.19, 1.0], ["Yeah.", 289.52, 290.45, 1.0], ["And this is where I'm going to kind of claim the whole healthy ego or I've done four or", 290.45, 295.73, 1.0]]}, {"start": 295.725, "end": 296.725, "text": "500 podcasts.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["500 podcasts.", 295.73, 296.73, 1.0]]}, {"start": 296.725, "end": 299.845, "text": "So I have a lot of people that are maybe listen or familiar with my stuff.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["So I have a lot of people that are maybe listen or familiar with my stuff.", 296.73, 299.85, 1.0]]}, {"start": 299.845, "end": 303.805, "text": "So this is where I want to just let you know I prepared and maybe you're dealing with people", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["So this is where I want to just let you know I prepared and maybe you're dealing with people", 299.85, 303.81, 1.0]]}, {"start": 303.805, "end": 307.346, "text": "that prepare all the time, but I like to think that I just like that vibe, the back and forth.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["that prepare all the time, but I like to think that I just like that vibe, the back and forth.", 303.81, 307.35, 1.0]]}, {"start": 307.965, "end": 312.525, "text": "But man, when I started watching Sam Now, and I'm going to look over on another screen", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["But man, when I started watching Sam Now, and I'm going to look over on another screen", 307.97, 312.53, 1.0]]}, {"start": 312.525, "end": 317.258, "text": "often because I found myself wanting to just be and listen and take it in.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["often because I found myself wanting to just be and listen and take it in.", 312.53, 317.26, 1.0]]}, {"start": 317.725, "end": 323.765, "text": "But I was furiously taking notes and quotes and going back and because, I mean, there", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["But I was furiously taking notes and quotes and going back and because, I mean, there", 317.73, 323.77, 1.0]]}, {"start": 323.765, "end": 328.405, "text": "are people. So there are people in my women's Facebook group that mentioned it and they just said,", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["are people.", 323.77, 324.77, 1.0], ["So there are people in my women's Facebook group that mentioned it and they just said,", 324.77, 328.41, 1.0]]}, {"start": 328.405, "end": 329.24, "text": "this has been incredible.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["this has been incredible.", 328.41, 329.24, 1.0]]}, {"start": 329.965, "end": 332.427, "text": "And then true story. And I promise I will let you talk soon.", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["And then true story.", 329.97, 331.03, 1.0], ["And I promise I will let you talk soon.", 331.03, 332.43, 1.0]]}, {"start": 332.885, "end": 336.645, "text": "And I said, I felt like I was doing a flex, as the kids say, and I just said, oh, let", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And I said, I felt like I was doing a flex, as the kids say, and I just said, oh, let", 332.89, 336.65, 1.0]]}, {"start": 336.645, "end": 338.449, "text": "me see if I can reach out and get him on the podcast.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["me see if I can reach out and get him on the podcast.", 336.65, 338.45, 1.0]]}, {"start": 339.085, "end": 343.094, "text": "But I thought, well, he probably won't respond. You did. I felt so validated.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["But I thought, well, he probably won't respond.", 339.09, 341.33, 1.0], ["You did.", 341.33, 342.33, 1.0], ["I felt so validated.", 342.33, 343.09, 1.0]]}, {"start": 343.565, "end": 347.405, "text": "And so then the interview was drawn near and I thought, man, I really want to do this", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And so then the interview was drawn near and I thought, man, I really want to do this", 343.57, 347.41, 1.0]]}, {"start": 347.405, "end": 351.325, "text": "the right way because I love documentaries and people in this group that I trust said", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["the right way because I love documentaries and people in this group that I trust said", 347.41, 351.33, 1.0]]}, {"start": 351.325, "end": 354.338, "text": "it's powerful. And then it really was.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["it's powerful.", 351.33, 353.17, 1.0], ["And then it really was.", 353.17, 354.34, 1.0]]}, {"start": 354.505, "end": 357.605, "text": "And so then the therapist in me just, you know, I went from, oh, this will be a great", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And so then the therapist in me just, you know, I went from, oh, this will be a great", 354.51, 357.61, 1.0]]}, {"start": 357.605, "end": 361.675, "text": "podcast interview to holy cow, this is what I deal with as a therapist every day.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["podcast interview to holy cow, this is what I deal with as a therapist every day.", 357.61, 361.68, 1.0]]}, {"start": 362.245, "end": 365.285, "text": "And so I just really appreciate the content that you put out.", "confidence": 0.96, "timestamps": [["And so I just really appreciate the content that you put out.", 362.25, 365.29, 0.959475576877594]]}, {"start": 366.644, "end": 376.414, "text": "Thank you so much. Yeah, that means a lot. It's been a crazy long journey, labor of love project for me. You know, I've had to wear.", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Thank you so much. Yeah, that means a lot.", 366.64, 368.49, 1.0], ["It's been a crazy long journey, labor of love project for me. You know, I've had to wear.", 370.09, 376.41, 1.0]]}, {"start": 377.537, "end": 385.369, "text": "Very many hats. I'm a family member. I'm a documentary filmmaker. I'm an artist. Also,", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Very many hats. I'm a family member. I'm a documentary filmmaker. I'm an artist. Also,", 377.54, 385.37, 1.0]]}, {"start": 385.534, "end": 391.968, "text": "I'm somebody that, you know, has dealt with a fair amount of really difficult relationships.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["I'm somebody that, you know, has dealt with a fair amount of really difficult relationships.", 385.53, 391.97, 1.0]]}, {"start": 392.04, "end": 399.054, "text": "So some of that gave me the fuel to dive really deep into these ideas and themes.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["So some of that gave me the fuel to dive really deep into these ideas and themes.", 392.04, 399.05, 1.0]]}, {"start": 399.774, "end": 409.614, "text": "Okay, a couple of things I thought were just phenomenal is the fact that when did you first have your love of film? 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He just like, I'm not gonna do school.", "confidence": 0.99, "timestamps": [["So like when Joyce was gone, he shut off all that stuff.", 1220.44, 1223.88, 0.9874548316001892], ["He just like, I'm not gonna do school.", 1223.88, 1226.16, 0.9874548316001892]]}, {"start": 1226.164, "end": 1233.684, "text": "I'm not gonna access that part of myself or something. 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None.", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["It was like, but he had no way to get any resolve on that.", 1328.89, 1333.28, 1.0], ["None.", 1333.28, 1334.12, 1.0]]}, {"start": 1334.118, "end": 1339.118, "text": "And then Sam did more or less the opposite thing.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And then Sam did more or less the opposite thing.", 1334.12, 1339.12, 1.0]]}, {"start": 1339.798, "end": 1345.848, "text": "Like he didn't lean into his confusion. He just avoided it completely. 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I was having to like really like find information and it's on camera", "confidence": 0.98, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Investigator at that point and I was okay. 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So then you meet with her and I wrote these things, too", "confidence": 0.98, "timestamps": [["Okay, let me let me run through a couple of this. 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And we just, it can just like avoid all the stuff, like why wouldn't it happen?", "confidence": 0.94, "timestamps": [["Yeah.", 2269.25, 2270.09, 0.9437629580497742], ["And we just, it can just like avoid all the stuff,", 2270.09, 2272.93, 0.9437629580497742], ["like why wouldn't it happen?", 2272.93, 2273.77, 0.9437629580497742]]}, {"start": 2273.766, "end": 2276.306, "text": "Why wouldn't you be more everything? Yeah. 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I'm really leaning into tell me what happened, why all that.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["I'm also with Joyce.", 2284.89, 2286.17, 1.0], ["I'm really leaning into tell me what happened, why all that.", 2286.17, 2289.93, 1.0]]}, {"start": 2290.303, "end": 2297.506, "text": "And, you know, I'm thinking of Jared. I'm thinking of, you know, also for me, I also felt so confused by it and, you", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["And, you know, I'm thinking of Jared.", 2290.3, 2292.39, 1.0], ["I'm thinking of, you know, also for me, I also felt so confused by it and, you", 2292.39, 2297.51, 1.0]]}, {"start": 2297.506, "end": 2302.326, "text": "know, really hurt by the experience because my family's all in turmoil over it.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["know, really hurt by the experience because my family's all in turmoil over it.", 2297.51, 2302.33, 1.0]]}, {"start": 2302.326, "end": 2307.758, "text": "And I'm, you know, I have my own mom who's represented in the movie, but I also felt", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And I'm, you know, I have my own mom who's represented in the movie, but I also felt", 2302.33, 2307.76, 1.0]]}, {"start": 2308.006, "end": 2311.584, "text": "Like it was just so, you know, when you have a relationship with anyone in that,", "confidence": 0.98, "timestamps": [["Like it was just so, you know,", 2308.01, 2309.59, 0.9811258912086487], ["when you have a relationship with anyone in that,", 2310.17, 2311.58, 0.9811258912086487]]}, {"start": 2311.926, "end": 2316.031, "text": "like, and they're just gone, it's really strange.", "confidence": 0.98, "timestamps": [["like, and they're just gone, it's really strange.", 2311.93, 2316.03, 0.9811258912086487]]}, {"start": 2316.166, "end": 2319.526, "text": "So I had a lot of curiosity. 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You're transcending into the moment of the moment.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And you just recognize that you're beyond in the moment.", 2459.6, 2463.19, 1.0], ["You're transcending into the moment of the moment.", 2463.28, 2466.84, 1.0]]}, {"start": 2466.842, "end": 2470.842, "text": "And you're like, holy crap, what is my body doing? What am I doing right now?", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And you're like, holy crap, what is my body doing?", 2466.84, 2469.56, 1.0], ["What am I doing right now?", 2469.56, 2470.84, 1.0]]}, {"start": 2470.842, "end": 2475.038, "text": "And this is one of those where I had no idea what I was gonna say.", "confidence": 0.88, "timestamps": [["And this is one of those where I had no idea what", 2470.84, 2474.16, 1.0], ["I was gonna say.", 2474.16, 2475.04, 0.7673476338386536]]}, {"start": 2476.047, "end": 2482.757, "text": "Thought I was just gonna start telling people the story of our road trip just so that they could have an education of like,", "confidence": 0.97, "timestamps": [["Thought I was just gonna start telling people the story of our road trip just so that they could have an education of like,", 2476.05, 2482.76, 0.9717230200767517]]}, {"start": 2483.554, "end": 2489.457, "text": "What we what we just experienced. 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Now I'm throwing everything out there because, you know, I know that I, again, I told you before we started, I wish I wouldn't have set up a client.", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["And I just thought, man, but then, okay, I'm so sorry. 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It's like the Tasmanian devil. You get whipped up and you can't get out of it.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["You get into this spiral. It's like the Tasmanian devil. 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Like, yeah, there's there's all these pieces.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["Like, why is it OK for fathers to do that?", 3141.27, 3143.23, 0.9957842230796814], ["Like, yeah, there's there's all these pieces.", 3143.23, 3148.07, 0.9957842230796814]]}, {"start": 3148.072, "end": 3152.592, "text": "And it's like, OK, if society or families have these narratives.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And it's like, OK, if society or families have these narratives.", 3148.07, 3152.59, 0.9957842230796814]]}, {"start": 3153.352, "end": 3155.392, "text": "What narratives are we stuck with individually?", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["What narratives are we stuck with individually?", 3153.35, 3155.39, 0.9957842230796814]]}, {"start": 3155.392, "end": 3160.712, "text": "You know? Yeah. And then you just help bring a lot of that. You know, we talk about the shadow work, bringing it out of the shadows", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["You know? 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So, Reed, I appreciate you coming on.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["So I see this as so significant.", 3164.03, 3165.83, 0.9988353848457336], ["So, Reed, I appreciate you coming on.", 3165.83, 3168.37, 0.9988353848457336]]}, {"start": 3168.372, "end": 3169.645, "text": "I'd love to have you come back sometime.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["I'd love to have you come back sometime.", 3168.37, 3169.64, 0.9988353848457336]]}, {"start": 3169.798, "end": 3174.972, "text": "Yeah, it was really great talking to you. Thank you for, like you said, doing the preparation work and getting, you know, bringing.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["Yeah, it was really great talking to you.", 3169.8, 3171.33, 0.9988353848457336], ["Thank you for, like you said, doing the preparation work and getting, you know, bringing.", 3171.33, 3174.97, 0.9988353848457336]]}, {"start": 3174.972, "end": 3176.288, "text": "It was a joy.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["It was a joy.", 3174.97, 3176.29, 0.9988353848457336]]}, {"start": 3176.351, "end": 3181.812, "text": "Yeah. So, yeah, I'd love to meet you in person sometime. And thanks for the work you do and tell Sam that I'm grateful.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["Yeah. So, yeah, I'd love to meet you in person sometime.", 3176.35, 3178.71, 0.9988353848457336], ["And thanks for the work you do and tell Sam that I'm grateful.", 3178.71, 3181.81, 0.9988353848457336]]}, {"start": 3181.812, "end": 3184.912, "text": "And even again, that quote from Joyce, I mean, that's going to help people.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And even again, that quote from Joyce, I mean, that's going to help people.", 3181.81, 3184.91, 0.9988353848457336]]}, {"start": 3184.993, "end": 3186.623, "text": "It really is. So I appreciate that.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["It really is. So I appreciate that.", 3184.99, 3186.62, 0.9988353848457336]]}, {"start": 3187.307, "end": 3193.591, "text": "Thank you, Tony. What a joy. OK, well, I have all the links to everything and all the show notes. OK, sounds great.", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Thank you, Tony.", 3187.31, 3188.89, 0.9988353848457336], ["What a joy. OK, well, I have all the links to everything and all the show notes.", 3188.89, 3192.13, 0.9988353848457336], ["OK, sounds great.", 3192.13, 3193.59, 0.9988353848457336]]}, {"start": 3193.878, "end": 3198.672, "text": "Thanks. Okay. Take care. Okay. So I hope you enjoyed that interview with read. And I realize", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["Thanks. Okay. Take care. Okay. So I hope you enjoyed that interview with read. And I realize", 3193.88, 3198.67, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3198.672, "end": 3204.834, "text": "now as I'm looking over my Google document, that this almost needs to be a, a director's cut or", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["now as I'm looking over my Google document, that this almost needs to be a, a director's cut or", 3198.67, 3204.83, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3205.072, "end": 3210.512, "text": "something that you would put on the DVD. I don't know if there are DVDs anymore, but on streaming,", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["something that you would put on the DVD. I don't know if there are DVDs anymore, but on streaming,", 3205.07, 3210.51, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3210.512, "end": 3215.097, "text": "and you could maybe put a separate audio track on and just listen to some commentary, because if", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["and you could maybe put a separate audio track on and just listen to some commentary, because if", 3210.51, 3215.1, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3215.392, "end": 3219.872, "text": "you haven't seen the movie, this might seem a bit out of context, but I'll just take you on my train", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["you haven't seen the movie, this might seem a bit out of context, but I'll just take you on my train", 3215.39, 3219.87, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3219.872, "end": 3225.552, "text": "a thought on a few different things now. There were scenes where there was a lot of conversation", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["a thought on a few different things now. There were scenes where there was a lot of conversation", 3219.87, 3225.55, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3225.552, "end": 3230.272, "text": "after Joyce had disappeared by the family, by the adults in the family. And again, the journey was", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["after Joyce had disappeared by the family, by the adults in the family. And again, the journey was", 3225.55, 3230.27, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3230.272, "end": 3235.334, "text": "Reed and Sam. But here are some of the things that I took down that I just thought were interesting.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["Reed and Sam. But here are some of the things that I took down that I just thought were interesting.", 3230.27, 3235.33, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3235.73, "end": 3240.752, "text": "There was an interview with the other brother, Jared, and he said that they, I forget, I believe", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["There was an interview with the other brother, Jared, and he said that they, I forget, I believe", 3235.73, 3240.75, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3240.752, "end": 3244.352, "text": "it was Reed who said, does it feel like she doesn't care? And he said, sometimes, but it", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["it was Reed who said, does it feel like she doesn't care? And he said, sometimes, but it", 3240.75, 3244.35, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3244.352, "end": 3248.512, "text": "just doesn't fit because she never acted this way before. And that's one of those, there was so much", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["just doesn't fit because she never acted this way before. 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And then I put in here my own commentary", 3294.83, 3300.11, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3300.258, "end": 3303.607, "text": "other than the fact that she disappeared off the face of the planet.", "confidence": 0.94, "timestamps": [["other than the fact that she disappeared off the face of the planet.", 3300.26, 3303.61, 0.942679762840271]]}, {"start": 3304.876, "end": 3308.207, "text": "But Randy at one point also said, I didn't realize how much Jared needed his mother,", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["But Randy at one point also said, I didn't realize how much Jared needed his mother,", 3304.88, 3308.21, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3308.207, "end": 3312.687, "text": "Sam too, but I just really had no desire to interact with her.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["Sam too, but I just really had no desire to interact with her.", 3308.21, 3312.69, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3312.879, "end": 3316.127, "text": "And there were a couple of other things I thought that we didn't get into.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And there were a couple of other things I thought that we didn't get into.", 3312.88, 3316.13, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3316.127, "end": 3319.397, "text": "We talked about when they met her at a restaurant, she said, I had no control.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["We talked about when they met her at a restaurant, she said, I had no control.", 3316.13, 3319.4, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3319.927, "end": 3323.567, "text": "This is a way to control my relationship with the kids. I had to save myself.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["This is a way to control my relationship with the kids.", 3319.93, 3322.45, 1.0], ["I had to save myself.", 3322.45, 3323.57, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3323.567, "end": 3326.914, "text": "I had to get out of the control of everybody else.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["I had to get out of the control of everybody else.", 3323.57, 3326.91, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3327.337, "end": 3330.092, "text": "And it was difficult, but it was more difficult to not leave, she said.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And it was difficult, but it was more difficult to not leave, she said.", 3327.34, 3330.09, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3330.447, "end": 3333.477, "text": "And she said, I'll go down in history as the woman who broke a lot of rules, but I'm,", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And she said, I'll go down in history as the woman who broke a lot of rules, but I'm,", 3330.45, 3333.48, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3334.134, "end": 3338.787, "text": "At one point, Reed was talking with Sam and Reed said, I don't think she really needed to leave you guys.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["At one point, Reed was talking with Sam and Reed said,", 3334.13, 3336.97, 1.0], ["I don't think she really needed to leave you guys.", 3336.97, 3338.79, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3338.787, "end": 3342.452, "text": "I don't think you have to believe that she did the right thing because she didn't.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["I don't think you have to believe", 3338.79, 3340.15, 1.0], ["that she did the right thing because she didn't.", 3340.15, 3342.45, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3342.875, "end": 3346.737, "text": "But Sam said, I don't think there's a lot to be gained from thinking that she did the wrong thing.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["But Sam said, I don't think there's a lot to be gained", 3342.87, 3345.15, 1.0], ["from thinking that she did the wrong thing.", 3345.15, 3346.74, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3347.232, "end": 3350.507, "text": "And I thought that that was really interesting. The therapist in me said, okay, Reed is saying,", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And I thought that that was really interesting.", 3347.23, 3348.43, 1.0], ["The therapist in me said, okay, Reed is saying,", 3348.43, 3350.51, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3350.507, "end": 3356.279, "text": "hey, we can have some acceptance here that she didn't need to leave you and perhaps it wasn't the right thing.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["hey, we can have some acceptance here", 3350.51, 3352.17, 1.0], ["that she didn't need to leave you", 3352.6, 3354.31, 1.0], ["and perhaps it wasn't the right thing.", 3354.31, 3356.28, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3357.378, "end": 3361.787, "text": "But, and I work with people a lot where we talk about acceptance,", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["But, and I work with people a lot", 3357.38, 3360.35, 1.0], ["where we talk about acceptance,", 3360.35, 3361.79, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3361.787, "end": 3367.507, "text": "acceptance and commitment therapy, acceptance. that happened, and not even trying to make as much sense or meaning out of it, so we", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["acceptance and commitment therapy, acceptance.", 3361.79, 3363.55, 1.0], ["that happened, and not even trying to make as much sense or meaning out of it, so we", 3363.55, 3367.51, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3367.507, "end": 3369.414, "text": "can just accept it and then move forward.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["can just accept it and then move forward.", 3367.51, 3369.41, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3369.907, "end": 3372.907, "text": "And then Sam, I think, was almost throwing a little bit more of a cognitive behavioral", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And then Sam, I think, was almost throwing a little bit more of a cognitive behavioral", 3369.91, 3372.91, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3372.907, "end": 3376.747, "text": "therapy spin on here, which I can appreciate right now, where he was saying, okay, I don't", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["therapy spin on here, which I can appreciate right now, where he was saying, okay, I don't", 3372.91, 3376.75, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3376.747, "end": 3379.227, "text": "think there's a lot to be gained from thinking that she did the wrong thing.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["think there's a lot to be gained from thinking that she did the wrong thing.", 3376.75, 3379.23, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3379.227, "end": 3383.267, "text": "So in his mind, maybe that needed to be the, you know what, she did the best she could,", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["So in his mind, maybe that needed to be the, you know what, she did the best she could,", 3379.23, 3383.27, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3383.267, "end": 3387.967, "text": "which is really a change your thoughts and leads to different emotions and behaviors kind of a vibe.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["which is really a change your thoughts and leads to different emotions and behaviors", 3383.27, 3387.27, 1.0], ["kind of a vibe.", 3387.27, 3387.97, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3388.587, "end": 3392.883, "text": "There was the powerful part that I wanted to talk with Reed a little bit more was when,", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["There was the powerful part that I wanted to talk with Reed a little bit more was when,", 3388.59, 3392.88, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3393.467, "end": 3398.087, "text": "And he was interviewing Sam later, I think 10 years later, he said, even finding her,", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And he was interviewing Sam later, I think 10 years later, he said, even finding her,", 3393.47, 3398.09, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3398.087, "end": 3399.022, "text": "the connection is severed.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["the connection is severed.", 3398.09, 3399.02, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3399.184, "end": 3402.956, "text": "And he said, later in my adult life, I found that I was concerned about me abandoning somebody", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And he said, later in my adult life, I found that I was concerned about me abandoning somebody", 3399.18, 3402.96, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3403.01, "end": 3408.887, "text": "and that I have abandonment issues. So Sam himself started talking about how he recognized that these abandonment issues were", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["and that I have abandonment issues.", 3403.01, 3405.25, 1.0], ["So Sam himself started talking about how he recognized that these abandonment issues were", 3405.25, 3408.89, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3408.887, "end": 3411.463, "text": "starting to pop up in his adult relationships.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["starting to pop up in his adult relationships.", 3408.89, 3411.46, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3411.727, "end": 3413.975, "text": "And he said, Joyce's mom abandoned her.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And he said, Joyce's mom abandoned her.", 3411.73, 3413.98, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3414.647, "end": 3421.024, "text": "She did what she could. So some of the backstory is Joyce was adopted as a baby.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["She did what she could.", 3414.65, 3415.98, 1.0], ["So some of the backstory is Joyce was adopted as a baby.", 3416.33, 3421.02, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3421.187, "end": 3425.372, "text": "And so I wondered, and this is the part that this is just me speculating, that her mom", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And so I wondered, and this is the part that this is just me speculating, that her mom", 3421.19, 3425.37, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3425.507, "end": 3426.56, "text": "actually abandoned her.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["actually abandoned her.", 3425.51, 3426.56, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3427.047, "end": 3430.746, "text": "But then at one point, Joyce said she did what she could and it was okay.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["But then at one point, Joyce said she did what she could and it was okay.", 3427.05, 3430.75, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3431.087, "end": 3435.667, "text": "She said it really was okay. There's no way that I could ever tell her though about my childhood because it would", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["She said it really was okay.", 3431.09, 3432.17, 1.0], ["There's no way that I could ever tell her though about my childhood because it would", 3432.17, 3435.67, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3435.667, "end": 3436.363, "text": "be too awful.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["be too awful.", 3435.67, 3436.36, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3437.207, "end": 3441.369, "text": "And then Joyce talked about her adopted mom and they interviewed her in the movie.", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["And then Joyce talked about her adopted mom and they interviewed her in the movie.", 3437.21, 3441.37, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3441.847, "end": 3443.538, "text": "And Joyce said, my mother and I never got along.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And Joyce said, my mother and I never got along.", 3441.85, 3443.54, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3443.647, "end": 3445.767, "text": "We were always at odds. I always knew I was adopted.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["We were always at odds.", 3443.65, 3444.65, 1.0], ["I always knew I was adopted.", 3444.65, 3445.77, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3445.767, "end": 3449.807, "text": "I was always reminded that they had the option of sending me back to eat fish heads and rice", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["I was always reminded that they had the option of sending me back to eat fish heads and rice", 3445.77, 3449.81, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3449.807, "end": 3454.627, "text": "back at the orphanage, and they leveraged it all throughout my childhood.", "confidence": 0.97, "timestamps": [["back at the orphanage, and they leveraged it all throughout my childhood.", 3449.81, 3454.63, 0.972688615322113]]}, {"start": 3454.627, "end": 3462.127, "text": "And I thought it was such good filmmaking. Reid cuts directly to then an interview with Joyce's adopted mom, grandma.", "confidence": 0.97, "timestamps": [["And I thought it was such good filmmaking.", 3454.63, 3455.99, 0.972688615322113], ["Reid cuts directly to then an interview with Joyce's adopted mom, grandma.", 3455.99, 3462.13, 0.972688615322113]]}, {"start": 3462.127, "end": 3465.827, "text": "And Joyce's mom said, you know, we really have no regrets. We never looked at her as being adopted.", "confidence": 0.97, "timestamps": [["And Joyce's mom said, you know, we really have no regrets.", 3462.13, 3464.35, 0.972688615322113], ["We never looked at her as being adopted.", 3464.35, 3465.83, 0.972688615322113]]}, {"start": 3465.827, "end": 3468.107, "text": "He was just one of the kids.", "confidence": 0.82, "timestamps": [["He was just one of the kids.", 3465.83, 3468.11, 0.8155696392059326]]}, {"start": 3469.159, "end": 3474.769, "text": "And I just thought that was so interesting. I could go on, but I highly do recommend the film.", "confidence": 1.0, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["And I just thought that was so interesting. I could go on, but I highly do recommend the film.", 3469.16, 3474.77, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3474.769, "end": 3479.409, "text": "And I recommend that you rent it, buy it, and jot down some notes and send them in.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And I recommend that you rent it, buy it, and jot down some notes and send them in.", 3474.77, 3479.41, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3479.409, "end": 3483.409, "text": "And let's have a little bit of a book club or a movie club, because I think that this", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And let's have a little bit of a book club or a movie club, because I think that this", 3479.41, 3483.41, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3483.409, "end": 3488.369, "text": "hits on so many different themes from abandonment and attachment to families that just don't deal", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["hits on so many different themes from abandonment and attachment to families that just don't deal", 3483.41, 3488.37, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3488.369, "end": 3493.825, "text": "with a lot of discomfort or pain. And I don't know how brave the kids were to try and figure", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["with a lot of discomfort or pain. And I don't know how brave the kids were to try and figure", 3488.37, 3493.82, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3494.049, "end": 3498.191, "text": "out this, what happened to Joyce. Reed, toward the end, said something that I thought was", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["out this, what happened to Joyce. Reed, toward the end, said something that I thought was", 3494.05, 3498.19, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3498.335, "end": 3502.049, "text": "brilliant. And then we'll wrap things up. Reed said, we replay our same scenes over and over.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["brilliant. And then we'll wrap things up. Reed said, we replay our same scenes over and over.", 3498.34, 3502.05, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3502.049, "end": 3504.769, "text": "Everybody is playing up their own version of a story that came before.", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["Everybody is playing up their own version of a story that came before.", 3502.05, 3504.77, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3505.609, "end": 3511.009, "text": "And then I think I put, it takes severe trauma to cause people to go get the help to try and", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["And then I think I put, it takes severe trauma to cause people to go get the help to try and", 3505.61, 3511.01, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3511.009, "end": 3515.249, "text": "stop the cycle or change the cycle. If Reed said that, then Reed, that's an even better quote than", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["stop the cycle or change the cycle. If Reed said that, then Reed, that's an even better quote than", 3511.01, 3515.25, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3515.249, "end": 3519.249, "text": "I thought it was. But I believe that he said that thing that we play up the own version of the story", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["I thought it was. But I believe that he said that thing that we play up the own version of the story", 3515.25, 3519.25, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3519.249, "end": 3522.929, "text": "that came before. And I think I was putting in the notes, the part about that it really does", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["that came before. And I think I was putting in the notes, the part about that it really does", 3519.25, 3522.93, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3522.929, "end": 3527.569, "text": "take something like this, but then people have to go get help to start to change the dynamics in a", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["take something like this, but then people have to go get help to start to change the dynamics in a", 3522.93, 3527.57, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3527.569, "end": 3533.409, "text": "family to cause that generational healing. So thank you so much for taking the time to listen", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["family to cause that generational healing. So thank you so much for taking the time to listen", 3527.57, 3533.41, 0.9965056777000427]]}, {"start": 3533.409, "end": 3537.657, "text": "today. I really hope that you will go watch the movie, send me your comments, your feedback,", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["today. I really hope that you will go watch the movie, send me your comments, your feedback,", 3533.41, 3537.66, 0.9965056777000427]]}, {"start": 3538.08, "end": 3542.129, "text": "and taking us out per usual is the wonderful, the talented Aurora Florence with her song", "confidence": 1.0, "timestamps": [["and taking us out per usual is the wonderful, the talented Aurora Florence with her song", 3538.08, 3542.13, 0.9965056777000427]]}, {"start": 3542.129, "end": 3544.076, "text": "It's Wonderful, and we will see you next time.", "confidence": 0.87, "timestamps": [["It's Wonderful, and we will see you next time.", 3542.13, 3544.08, 0.8662540316581726]]}, {"start": 3544.08, "end": 3669.36, "text": "Music.", "newpara": true}, {"start": 3669.228, "end": 3675.588, "text": "Distance don't explode allow the understanding through to heal the legs.", "confidence": 0.8, "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Distance don't explode allow the understanding through to heal the legs.", 3669.38, 3675.52, 0.7975043654441833]]}]