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I think we have to. I don't know

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Hello, and welcome to Love's Everyday Radius, a

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podcast brought to you by the Hoffman Institute.

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My name is Sadie Hanna, and in this

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podcast, you'll hear real conversations

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and stories

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with graduates

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about their courageous journey inward and how their

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love and light are living in the world

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around them. Love's everyday radius.

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Thank you for being here and welcome.

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Some of the conversations in this episode touch

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upon health, and we want you to know

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that what is shared is strictly for informational

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purposes only and should not be considered medical

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Please always seek the guidance of your physician

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or any other qualified health professional

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with any questions you have regarding your health

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excited to share with you a panel of

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graduates who also happen to be medical professionals

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this discussion

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around really connecting

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the mind body connection, and so much more.

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end because there's some lighthearted

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each one of them, and I'll give you

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David, tell us a bit about who you

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to bring healing principles into the public domain,

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any of your publications in our show notes.

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room and out of it. Wonderful. Thank you

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the whole human that you are

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mainly in their relationships.

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in our body. There's our intellect,

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that part of our mind, which

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helps us navigate the intricacies

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of the world and helps us

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our feelings of happiness, sadness, and the whole

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wants things to be clear and direct and

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of medicine where we end up treating

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in my mind. It is. They're inseparable

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skull turn. And I can remember looking at

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that moment and being like,

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in any other way. Thank you for sharing.

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And I was actually gonna ask, David, could

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you share with us

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a story where you really came to know

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about this integration?

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Well, it sort of came later. I

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went into chronic pain in 1990 with a

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panic attack, and I did not emerge until

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2003.

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I had 17 different physical and mental symptoms,

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depression, anxiety, OCD, skin rashes, migraines,

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stomach issues, back issues. It was unbelievable.

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So the body chemistry is profound.

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I agree with Carrie completely. She said it

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beautifully that it's just a unit. You can't

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fly a major airline without a computer,

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and the human body has 30,000,000,000,000

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cells, where a Boeing jet only has 2,000,000

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parts. So just an integrated unit with the

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brain being a relay system.

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So it's about the physiology thing. So what

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happened

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with me

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once it happens all about processing anger, forgiveness,

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and letting go.

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And so I didn't even know I was

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angry until 2003.

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I had no clue. I was right, I

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was perfectionistic, I was so critical, but I

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wasn't angry.

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And so what happened is that I crossed

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that bridge badly by the way,

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but in six months all my symptoms disappeared,

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all of them.

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So including the crazy thought patterns, every symptom

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is gone and has stayed gone for over

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twenty years. So at Hoffman in 2009,

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I still remember

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saying, well, you know, medicine is in trouble,

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and I had sort of a anger about

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it. I was gonna turn that anger into

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something good.

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Their problem is you're a zealot, and people

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don't respond to that very well. So I

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remember very distinctly at Hoffman on the I

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lifted up the hood of a car, and

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there was this angry burning engine that I

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simply took it out, replaced it with love.

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Totally different. I'm not burning energy. I don't

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get tired anymore, which drives me and my

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wife crazy.

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But when you use it so like a

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reaction, it doesn't stop.

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So

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my own personal story is profound, and I

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never would have thought that. I never would

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have thought

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going from a major spine surgeon with structural

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emphasis

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to the physiology of disease is just blowing

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me away.

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So you're speaking about a transformation

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about some repressed anger criticism and then transmuting

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it into love. Is that correct? Correct.

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Kash, how about you? Is there a story

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you could share?

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What comes to mind is a fairly recent

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story

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of someone that came to see me. I've

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been seeing them for a long time for

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some liver issues,

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but they developed severe, severe

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pain in the upper abdomen, epigastrium.

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This landed her in the ER multiple times.

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When I

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encounter

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someone who has gone from being relatively fine

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to not fine,

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I'm always curious about the trigger.

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Well, that happened to start

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right after her mom died.

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Like many people, she was convinced

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that she had a huge gargantuan

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ulcer in her stomach or whatever.

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What I told her was, well, I wouldn't

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be surprised if everything looks okay, but that

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doesn't mean that nothing is going on.

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And so when I took a look, when

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I did an endoscopy and took a look

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in her stomach,

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it was pristine.

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I'm still struggling, I think, a little bit

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with

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how to

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talk to people about

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this mind body connection

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in a way that doesn't come off as

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sort of preachy or belittling.

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I try hard not to do that.

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Ultimately,

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we use medications, but I think

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that connection between this very traumatic, stressful event

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and her symptoms helped her

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over the course of weeks get back to

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the point where she wasn't on medications anymore.

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So that's just kind of one story amongst

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many, many stories of people that I've seen

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where

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despite the medical technology

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and the data and the internet and everything

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where you have all these concrete things

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of why someone may feel a particular way,

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those often don't give the answer, especially for

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people with a chronic debilitating illness.

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Yes. And I think in some ways, you're

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speaking

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to

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the difficulty in actually

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naming that there may be more here than

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just

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one component.

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I think on some level, we all want

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to be seen as whole. We want someone

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to understand the intricate nature

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of who we are. And at the same

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time,

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it can be a little bit difficult to

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have somebody say, could this be related to

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grief?

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Carrie, did you wanna say something about that?

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Yeah. Two things. One of the things that

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came to my mind listening to Cashtack was

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broken heart syndrome.

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And I have a dear friend whose husband

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dropped dead on a run, and she found

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herself in the emergency room with, you know,

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heart palpitations and PVCs.

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There is, I think, some data in the

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research about

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people experiencing cardiac symptoms after the passing of

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a loved one with no physiologic

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alteration where it really is a physical manifestation

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of an emotional experience.

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That was one thing that I wanted to

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say. And then the other thing that I

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was thinking listening to you, Cash, was just

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sort of, you know, it's an interesting thing,

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I think, to try and talk with

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patients,

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air quotes,

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in a conventional

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clinical model

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and suggest to them that perhaps how they're

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feeling

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how they're feeling with their heart has something

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to do with how they're feeling with their

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body

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without dismissing someone as sort of hypochondriac

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or

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whatever it is. I take care of a

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lot of perimenopausal

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women, and that is a fascinating convergence

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of mind and body. You know, I'll talk

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to people. You know, what does your life

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look like? What does work look like? What

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do your relationships work like? What does sleep

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look like? What does your nutrition look like?

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And they'll talk about maybe a stressful thing

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in their life, and I'll talk to them

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about how big a piece of the puzzle

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that may be for them. And then I

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will say to them, which is not me

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saying it's all in your head.

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Right? Because that's the risk,

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I think, of acknowledging a mind body connection.

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Right? Is patients feeling marginalized and being told

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it's all in their head because

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I take care of only women, so I

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bring that bias to this conversation. But goodness

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knows women have been told

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for too too long that how they feel

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is in their head.

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So this integration thing can be a little

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bit of a slippery slope for us as

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practitioners, particularly those in a conventional model.

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And that actually speaks to the silo

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that is the water we swim in,

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where it is either physical

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or it's in your head.

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So broken heart syndrome, I mean, I would

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love to speak more about that, but I

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also wanna talk about what is

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psychosomatic

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symptoms and why is that so threatening for

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people to hear, David?

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First of all, there's a term in medicine

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that started in 2002 called medically unexplained symptoms,

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m u s. That means we know you

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hurt, we know you have your symptoms, we

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can't find anything wrong, so have a good

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life. So it's a disastrous diagnosis because it

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takes away hope,

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and we look at the physiology of disease,

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everything's explained, it should be medically explained symptoms

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because under threat physiology,

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your neurotransmitters

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get excitatory,

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your inflammatory markers go up, your nerve conduction

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doubles, your stress hormone goes up, fuel comes

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out of your cells.

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So every

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chronic symptom, by the way, is explained by

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the body's physiology.

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So mentally, you have thoughts or input,

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you have your physiology as the result

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and so physiology creates physical symptoms.

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So once you start calming on the physiology,

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symptoms disappear. So I've seen hundreds and hundreds

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of patients go symptom free

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but comment on the physiology.

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So medicine has it absolutely backwards, that's part

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of it, but the other half that's even

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worse is that in threat physiology, your body

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breaks down, in safety, your body heals. So

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a key factor in medicine is patient doctor

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relationship,

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your patient had to feel safe with you

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and feeling safe with your doctor is out

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of luxury, is a necessity.

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Without that basic link of feeling safe with

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your clinician,

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nothing else matters,

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It just doesn't matter.

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So that's always a starting point. And so,

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anyway, I actually quit my surgical practice because

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we're so obsessed with structure and we've ignored

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the physiology,

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we're really hurting people.

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Yes. So, Cash, you had a comment on

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that as well.

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Oh, yeah. In terms of

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what I've been sort of contemplating is I'd

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imagine if I were in the audience,

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it would be like, well, this is great,

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you know, if you can pay cash to

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see a concierge doc who can spend

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three hours with you, but what about the

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average person?

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And what I learned, like after Hoffman,

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is that

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I was surprised at how

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it doesn't take much time.

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Because the question is how can we as

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medicine, as practitioners,

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as people who are in the healing profession,

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bring back this sense of love and care

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and connection to the people that are seeking

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help from us?

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The things that I learned in Hoffman or

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actually

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started doing at Hoffman, like actually looking in

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the person's eyes

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and honestly saying, you know, I see you're

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suffering.

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And that doesn't take much time, but just

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doing that can kind of break

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that shell that people

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have around

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themselves when they're in fight or flight mode,

553
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as David said, and when they're not feeling

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safe.

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So many providers,

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you know, the burnout rates you hear, however

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you define that seventy percent, eighty percent in

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all aspects of health care.

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How to bring that

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that care and that connection back is, I

561
00:21:16,855 --> 00:21:20,079
think, something that I've been wondering and contemplating.

562
00:21:21,019 --> 00:21:22,079
What are the physical

563
00:21:22,539 --> 00:21:24,159
consequences of a unprocessed

564
00:21:24,460 --> 00:21:24,960
emotional

565
00:21:25,339 --> 00:21:25,839
hurt?

566
00:21:27,179 --> 00:21:30,640
Emotional hurt is physical hurt. They can't actually

567
00:21:30,779 --> 00:21:31,519
be separate.

568
00:21:32,244 --> 00:21:34,884
And you're speaking about something here, which I

569
00:21:34,884 --> 00:21:37,944
think is really important, the experience of safety,

570
00:21:38,804 --> 00:21:39,544
the experience

571
00:21:40,244 --> 00:21:42,424
of threat and fight or flight.

572
00:21:42,884 --> 00:21:44,265
And one of the things

573
00:21:44,869 --> 00:21:46,250
that I know

574
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:48,250
love to be is

575
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:50,330
an attunement with someone

576
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:53,369
that lets them know they're safe.

577
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:56,570
It's what we always wanted.

578
00:21:57,634 --> 00:21:59,174
This is the gift of presence.

579
00:21:59,634 --> 00:22:01,474
It doesn't have to be in medicine. It

580
00:22:01,474 --> 00:22:02,375
can be anywhere.

581
00:22:03,154 --> 00:22:05,075
Would you like to say something about that,

582
00:22:05,075 --> 00:22:05,575
Carrie?

583
00:22:06,034 --> 00:22:07,815
It doesn't have to be big.

584
00:22:08,595 --> 00:22:11,315
Right? Like Cash was saying, you know, I

585
00:22:11,315 --> 00:22:12,134
think about

586
00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:13,819
where's the computer,

587
00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:17,160
and where am I looking, and how do

588
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,880
I greet someone, and do I shake their

589
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,859
hand and make physical contact, and

590
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,500
how much talking am I doing

591
00:22:26,244 --> 00:22:27,784
relative to how much listening

592
00:22:28,085 --> 00:22:28,904
am I doing?

593
00:22:29,525 --> 00:22:30,585
That's a big one.

594
00:22:31,044 --> 00:22:33,625
My new patient visits are sixty minutes and

595
00:22:34,085 --> 00:22:34,585
just

596
00:22:35,365 --> 00:22:35,865
listening

597
00:22:37,125 --> 00:22:39,950
relative to the standard seven to fifteen minute

598
00:22:39,950 --> 00:22:41,710
visit, you know, women will be like, I

599
00:22:41,710 --> 00:22:42,769
just feel

600
00:22:43,470 --> 00:22:43,970
heard.

601
00:22:44,670 --> 00:22:46,130
And how does anybody

602
00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:47,809
embark on a healing journey

603
00:22:48,750 --> 00:22:49,890
without feeling

604
00:22:50,190 --> 00:22:51,490
like their practitioner

605
00:22:52,269 --> 00:22:55,355
heard what their concerns are. And it's like

606
00:22:55,355 --> 00:22:56,894
these tiny little nuances.

607
00:22:57,674 --> 00:22:59,355
I mean, for me, it's also like, is

608
00:22:59,355 --> 00:23:01,914
there a window? Is there daylight? I'm not

609
00:23:01,914 --> 00:23:03,674
wearing a white coat. I'm not wearing a

610
00:23:03,674 --> 00:23:04,174
stethoscope.

611
00:23:05,755 --> 00:23:08,470
You know, like, there's no drop ceiling. There

612
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:09,849
is no enclosed

613
00:23:10,150 --> 00:23:11,130
exam room. And

614
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:12,250
for women,

615
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:15,269
specifically, again, who come here, you know, many

616
00:23:15,269 --> 00:23:17,829
of them have experienced medical trauma, and they

617
00:23:17,829 --> 00:23:19,529
have not sought care

618
00:23:20,095 --> 00:23:20,914
for decades.

619
00:23:21,695 --> 00:23:24,434
And they walk in, and my clinic is

620
00:23:24,575 --> 00:23:27,295
home based in my barn, and just the

621
00:23:27,295 --> 00:23:27,795
physical

622
00:23:28,095 --> 00:23:28,595
environment

623
00:23:29,934 --> 00:23:31,154
changes the dynamic.

624
00:23:32,095 --> 00:23:34,255
I ask them what's on the top of

625
00:23:34,255 --> 00:23:37,279
your mind today so that they're driving the

626
00:23:37,279 --> 00:23:40,240
agenda. They're driving the conversation. I don't walk

627
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:40,740
in

628
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,440
trying to control what the interaction is gonna

629
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,200
be. So some of these things are harder

630
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,359
in a conventional environment, but some of them

631
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,460
are so small. Like Cal said,

632
00:23:49,914 --> 00:23:51,994
do you look someone in the eye? Do

633
00:23:51,994 --> 00:23:53,454
you look up from the computer?

634
00:23:54,154 --> 00:23:56,394
What presence, as you were saying, Sadie, do

635
00:23:56,394 --> 00:23:57,835
you bring when you walk into the room?

636
00:23:57,835 --> 00:23:58,894
Did you take a breath

637
00:23:59,355 --> 00:24:01,835
before you walked into the room? Did you

638
00:24:01,835 --> 00:24:03,970
look at the chart? Right? So that you

639
00:24:03,970 --> 00:24:04,789
even know

640
00:24:05,410 --> 00:24:07,669
what you're walking into, so to speak.

641
00:24:08,130 --> 00:24:09,109
So that fracturing

642
00:24:09,730 --> 00:24:12,789
can happen with us. And that actually can

643
00:24:12,849 --> 00:24:14,309
allow us to present

644
00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:16,630
a different part of ourselves

645
00:24:17,414 --> 00:24:18,154
to interactions,

646
00:24:18,775 --> 00:24:21,015
and others can feel that. That's what I'm

647
00:24:21,015 --> 00:24:21,515
hearing.

648
00:24:21,815 --> 00:24:22,775
100%.

649
00:24:22,775 --> 00:24:24,555
And I think that was a big motivator

650
00:24:24,615 --> 00:24:27,174
for me going to Hoffman was just, like,

651
00:24:27,174 --> 00:24:27,674
really

652
00:24:27,975 --> 00:24:28,475
wanting

653
00:24:29,494 --> 00:24:30,315
to bring

654
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,419
all of myself

655
00:24:33,679 --> 00:24:36,319
to encounters with people because I think that

656
00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:39,200
does set up a greater level of healing

657
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:39,700
potential

658
00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:40,980
that is

659
00:24:41,679 --> 00:24:42,179
bidirectional

660
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:44,740
therapeutic reciprocity.

661
00:24:46,414 --> 00:24:47,234
So big.

662
00:24:48,174 --> 00:24:50,494
It's when I learn and grow because of

663
00:24:50,494 --> 00:24:53,054
the relationships that I have with my patients,

664
00:24:53,054 --> 00:24:54,815
and they learn and grow because of their

665
00:24:54,815 --> 00:24:56,994
relationship, right? Like it's a wheel.

666
00:24:57,694 --> 00:25:01,099
And it's ideal. And it's so beautiful, and

667
00:25:01,099 --> 00:25:03,440
my patients teach me so much,

668
00:25:04,140 --> 00:25:07,119
not just clinically, but about being human.

669
00:25:07,579 --> 00:25:09,039
So grateful for that.

670
00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:10,799
So segue into

671
00:25:11,259 --> 00:25:12,240
being human.

672
00:25:12,955 --> 00:25:14,494
I wanna talk about

673
00:25:15,195 --> 00:25:16,734
the experience of childhood

674
00:25:17,755 --> 00:25:19,835
because I think that's where so much of

675
00:25:19,835 --> 00:25:20,734
this begins.

676
00:25:21,115 --> 00:25:22,894
And a normal part of childhood

677
00:25:23,195 --> 00:25:25,455
is that at some point, things outside

678
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:26,700
can be really overwhelming

679
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,019
or we have really big feelings inside.

680
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:34,519
And we learn over time to either shut

681
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:36,940
down what's trying to come out of us

682
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,480
or to shut down and block the world

683
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:39,980
out.

684
00:25:40,474 --> 00:25:42,575
And I think that's where some of this

685
00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:43,375
begins.

686
00:25:43,835 --> 00:25:45,775
David, you mentioned that

687
00:25:46,075 --> 00:25:48,575
you had this sense that there was anger

688
00:25:48,634 --> 00:25:50,894
that needed to be moved through

689
00:25:51,355 --> 00:25:53,934
so that love could come in.

690
00:25:54,779 --> 00:25:56,720
And that takes a certain amount

691
00:25:57,259 --> 00:25:58,000
of courage.

692
00:25:58,940 --> 00:26:01,900
In the anger, there's also a grieving for

693
00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:04,000
what we didn't feel

694
00:26:04,380 --> 00:26:07,920
in terms of safety from early, early on.

695
00:26:08,505 --> 00:26:10,765
The root of the word cure,

696
00:26:11,704 --> 00:26:14,924
there are two. One, the Latin root means

697
00:26:14,984 --> 00:26:15,484
care.

698
00:26:16,184 --> 00:26:18,684
The Germanic root is actually

699
00:26:19,144 --> 00:26:19,644
sorrow.

700
00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:22,269
Is it possible,

701
00:26:22,809 --> 00:26:26,170
Cash, that in order to cure someone, there

702
00:26:26,170 --> 00:26:29,069
is feeling some degree of sorrow for

703
00:26:29,369 --> 00:26:29,869
loss?

704
00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:31,549
Feeling sorrow,

705
00:26:32,410 --> 00:26:33,549
feeling anger,

706
00:26:34,684 --> 00:26:35,825
feeling anything.

707
00:26:36,684 --> 00:26:37,184
I

708
00:26:37,565 --> 00:26:38,944
just saw a person

709
00:26:39,404 --> 00:26:39,904
yesterday

710
00:26:40,684 --> 00:26:41,664
who was

711
00:26:42,285 --> 00:26:42,785
engaging

712
00:26:43,244 --> 00:26:44,785
in spiritual bypass

713
00:26:45,164 --> 00:26:45,984
as a patient,

714
00:26:46,365 --> 00:26:46,865
meaning

715
00:26:47,819 --> 00:26:49,359
I'm having all these symptoms,

716
00:26:50,299 --> 00:26:51,679
but I should be grateful

717
00:26:51,980 --> 00:26:54,159
that I am not starving in India.

718
00:26:55,019 --> 00:26:56,799
And I told them,

719
00:26:57,099 --> 00:26:59,519
wait a minute. There's a middle piece.

720
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:02,525
Hoffman taught me this. This was a huge

721
00:27:02,525 --> 00:27:04,224
missing piece. And that is

722
00:27:04,605 --> 00:27:05,744
you need to feel

723
00:27:06,125 --> 00:27:07,025
that anger,

724
00:27:07,484 --> 00:27:08,384
that suffering,

725
00:27:09,085 --> 00:27:09,904
that pain,

726
00:27:10,444 --> 00:27:12,464
rage, whatever it is,

727
00:27:13,164 --> 00:27:15,265
that needs to move through you

728
00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:18,080
before you can get to

729
00:27:18,539 --> 00:27:21,660
the reflection and self compassion and all those

730
00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:22,160
things.

731
00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:24,400
Going back to just disease,

732
00:27:25,019 --> 00:27:25,920
chronic illness,

733
00:27:26,859 --> 00:27:27,920
I find that

734
00:27:28,365 --> 00:27:30,625
there's a sense that I get that there's

735
00:27:30,684 --> 00:27:32,865
so much anger and hurt

736
00:27:33,884 --> 00:27:34,384
underneath

737
00:27:35,085 --> 00:27:37,345
all these symptoms that are coming up.

738
00:27:37,884 --> 00:27:40,525
The key, I think, is expression. It is

739
00:27:40,525 --> 00:27:42,305
so critical, but it is

740
00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:45,909
society wise so frowned upon, especially

741
00:27:46,369 --> 00:27:47,349
in our subdivision

742
00:27:48,769 --> 00:27:50,309
of being medical practitioners

743
00:27:50,609 --> 00:27:51,669
because doctors,

744
00:27:52,690 --> 00:27:53,190
nurses,

745
00:27:54,210 --> 00:27:57,029
surgeons, they're supposed to be even keeled,

746
00:27:58,035 --> 00:27:58,934
not feel,

747
00:27:59,555 --> 00:28:00,615
but perform.

748
00:28:01,394 --> 00:28:03,815
It's the opposite that's gonna actually

749
00:28:04,355 --> 00:28:05,575
kind of help us

750
00:28:06,035 --> 00:28:06,775
move forward.

751
00:28:07,235 --> 00:28:10,535
So, Carrie, what would you say the body

752
00:28:10,914 --> 00:28:12,375
can teach us about

753
00:28:12,674 --> 00:28:13,174
being

754
00:28:13,570 --> 00:28:14,070
whole,

755
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:17,590
and how can we be more present to

756
00:28:17,650 --> 00:28:18,309
our own

757
00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:19,190
healing?

758
00:28:19,890 --> 00:28:21,590
Well, I'm I'm struck by

759
00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:23,970
what Cash was talking about in terms of

760
00:28:23,970 --> 00:28:25,590
feeling because I think about

761
00:28:26,529 --> 00:28:27,750
how much time

762
00:28:28,724 --> 00:28:31,605
people spend trying to not feel, especially the

763
00:28:31,605 --> 00:28:35,285
hard things. Right? Like, whether that's addiction or

764
00:28:35,285 --> 00:28:36,825
disordered eating or

765
00:28:37,684 --> 00:28:38,184
whatever,

766
00:28:38,484 --> 00:28:39,625
shopping, gambling,

767
00:28:40,164 --> 00:28:42,825
sex, like, all the things that we do

768
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:44,500
to try to avoid

769
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,380
feeling

770
00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:47,859
either the hard things

771
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,960
or even for some of us the good

772
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,599
things because we think we're not worthy. Right?

773
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:55,919
What how could I possibly feel joy? How

774
00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:57,859
could I possibly feel loved? I

775
00:28:58,164 --> 00:29:00,505
couldn't possibly be worthy of having

776
00:29:00,805 --> 00:29:03,305
the life that I've worked for and created.

777
00:29:04,085 --> 00:29:06,805
So feeling is, again, a sort of so

778
00:29:06,805 --> 00:29:08,345
fundamental and so

779
00:29:08,805 --> 00:29:09,305
difficult,

780
00:29:09,845 --> 00:29:13,099
both as practitioners and just as humans in

781
00:29:13,099 --> 00:29:14,880
in this world that we live in.

782
00:29:15,259 --> 00:29:17,839
If our body is showing us a physical

783
00:29:18,059 --> 00:29:20,700
symptom, how can we meet that? I think

784
00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:22,220
the thought that was going through my head

785
00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:24,299
with your first phrasing was something along the

786
00:29:24,299 --> 00:29:25,899
lines of what can the body teach us

787
00:29:25,899 --> 00:29:27,965
about being whole. The thought that was running

788
00:29:27,965 --> 00:29:29,105
through my head was everything.

789
00:29:30,445 --> 00:29:30,945
You

790
00:29:32,285 --> 00:29:33,025
know? Because

791
00:29:33,404 --> 00:29:36,445
whatever is coming up, right, whether it's stomach

792
00:29:36,445 --> 00:29:38,945
pain or headache or fatigue or

793
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,779
digestive issues or body pain

794
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,099
or hormone imbalance or whatever,

795
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,240
there is likely to be an aspect of

796
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,779
that symptom that is

797
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:50,740
emotional.

798
00:29:51,375 --> 00:29:54,335
And I think often about a pie pieces

799
00:29:54,335 --> 00:29:55,934
of a pie. You know, I think about

800
00:29:55,934 --> 00:29:58,115
genetics. There are pieces of the pie.

801
00:29:58,494 --> 00:30:01,615
Emotions are pieces of the pie. Our physical

802
00:30:01,615 --> 00:30:04,095
environment, pieces of the pie. And I say

803
00:30:04,095 --> 00:30:06,630
to people, I don't really know how big

804
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:07,769
a piece of the pie

805
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:11,909
this particular aspect is, the emotional aspect is,

806
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:12,409
but

807
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:14,470
we would be remiss if we did not

808
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:16,549
bow to the fact that it is very

809
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:17,049
possible

810
00:30:17,429 --> 00:30:20,809
that this emotional piece, whatever it is,

811
00:30:21,404 --> 00:30:22,945
stressed out at work or

812
00:30:23,644 --> 00:30:27,005
difficult relationship or a kid with particular needs

813
00:30:27,005 --> 00:30:27,505
or

814
00:30:27,965 --> 00:30:31,325
whatever the emotion may be, that it has

815
00:30:31,325 --> 00:30:33,485
a piece of the pie. And I often

816
00:30:33,485 --> 00:30:35,485
tell women, it's for you to decide how

817
00:30:35,485 --> 00:30:37,259
big a piece of the pie is it.

818
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,839
I don't know. In the same way that

819
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:40,359
I don't know how big the genetics are,

820
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:41,880
I don't know how big the nutrition is,

821
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,299
but we have to address all aspects

822
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:47,180
for the best potential outcome.

823
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,220
David.

824
00:30:48,625 --> 00:30:50,625
So my approach is a little different. I

825
00:30:50,625 --> 00:30:53,345
think emotions are everything. So if you look

826
00:30:53,345 --> 00:30:54,724
at emotions at your physiology,

827
00:30:55,265 --> 00:30:57,684
either in safety or threat or in between,

828
00:30:58,144 --> 00:30:59,664
your body can react to the environment in

829
00:30:59,664 --> 00:31:00,990
a way to keep you safe.

830
00:31:01,470 --> 00:31:02,690
So I try to depersonalize

831
00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:04,829
emotions and say this is your body being

832
00:31:04,829 --> 00:31:05,329
triggered

833
00:31:05,789 --> 00:31:07,390
and I ask them to read their body,

834
00:31:07,390 --> 00:31:09,490
so for instance I had 17 different symptoms,

835
00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:11,869
so if I'm triggered sometimes my feet start

836
00:31:11,869 --> 00:31:13,710
to burn or a skin rash pops up

837
00:31:13,710 --> 00:31:15,170
or my back start to hurt,

838
00:31:15,625 --> 00:31:18,125
so they're just symptoms of being triggered

839
00:31:18,585 --> 00:31:20,904
and so your survival reactions are gonna protect

840
00:31:20,904 --> 00:31:23,065
you, you are never ever gonna get rid

841
00:31:23,065 --> 00:31:25,865
of anxiety and anger, it's necessary for life,

842
00:31:25,865 --> 00:31:26,845
they are gifts.

843
00:31:27,144 --> 00:31:28,825
So as you learn to become aware of

844
00:31:28,825 --> 00:31:30,799
these things, you learn to work with your

845
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:31,700
survival physiology.

846
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,279
And so it's about the key issue, the

847
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:36,640
key word that keeps coming up over and

848
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,480
over again is the word awareness. And this

849
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,180
little book I give to all my patients,

850
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,240
my colleagues, my fellows, called The Way to

851
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:42,674
Love

852
00:31:43,154 --> 00:31:45,394
by Anthony de Mello. He defines love as

853
00:31:45,394 --> 00:31:45,894
awareness.

854
00:31:46,515 --> 00:31:48,455
Carrie and Cashew talked about listening

855
00:31:48,835 --> 00:31:50,455
is a key issue of being aware.

856
00:31:50,835 --> 00:31:52,835
You have to connect yourself to be aware

857
00:31:52,835 --> 00:31:54,215
of what their issues are.

858
00:31:54,674 --> 00:31:56,055
So when you're angry,

859
00:31:56,509 --> 00:31:58,670
the physiology shows that your thinking brain actually

860
00:31:58,670 --> 00:32:01,549
goes offline. You can't even think correctly. So

861
00:32:01,549 --> 00:32:03,070
you have to bring your brain back online

862
00:32:03,070 --> 00:32:05,150
in order to actually break it up. So

863
00:32:05,150 --> 00:32:08,269
the keyword is awareness and awareness breaks that

864
00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:11,065
link of the automatic survival reactions. So you

865
00:32:11,065 --> 00:32:13,725
develop a working relationship with your survival physiology,

866
00:32:13,945 --> 00:32:14,684
that's over

867
00:32:15,065 --> 00:32:17,305
here, then who you are is who you

868
00:32:17,305 --> 00:32:19,144
choose to be when you're not reacting to

869
00:32:19,144 --> 00:32:20,605
your survival physiology.

870
00:32:21,144 --> 00:32:23,325
So you learn to develop a working relationship

871
00:32:23,384 --> 00:32:25,865
with your survival physiology, which is there every

872
00:32:25,865 --> 00:32:27,970
day. You get to choose where you want

873
00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:29,890
to go. Again, that's where Hoffman comes into

874
00:32:29,890 --> 00:32:30,390
visualization.

875
00:32:31,410 --> 00:32:33,809
So they're two separate skill sets, but they're

876
00:32:33,809 --> 00:32:34,309
linked.

877
00:32:34,609 --> 00:32:36,450
As again, Hoffman brought that up for me

878
00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:38,369
in a really big way. So, again, I've

879
00:32:38,369 --> 00:32:40,450
watched hundreds and hundreds of patients go to

880
00:32:40,450 --> 00:32:42,575
pain free, completely pain free.

881
00:32:42,954 --> 00:32:45,434
And so another interesting link there is you're

882
00:32:45,434 --> 00:32:47,295
using the word survival physiology.

883
00:32:48,154 --> 00:32:51,454
In the process, we come to recognize patterns

884
00:32:51,914 --> 00:32:52,815
as actually

885
00:32:53,115 --> 00:32:54,894
evidence of that survival

886
00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:57,329
physiology and the neurobiology

887
00:32:58,429 --> 00:33:01,089
of needing to survive, needing to reestablish

888
00:33:01,390 --> 00:33:03,009
the connection and the safety.

889
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:05,950
Patterns are actually a state of fight or

890
00:33:05,950 --> 00:33:07,650
flight on some level.

891
00:33:08,455 --> 00:33:09,674
Cash, is it possible

892
00:33:10,215 --> 00:33:13,095
to bring presents enough that you can feel

893
00:33:13,095 --> 00:33:15,515
anger and not go offline?

894
00:33:16,215 --> 00:33:17,434
I believe so.

895
00:33:17,735 --> 00:33:20,235
I've been kind of experimenting with myself

896
00:33:20,695 --> 00:33:21,195
because

897
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,160
as I get further away from Hoffman, I

898
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,480
don't want to lose any of the teachings.

899
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,220
And so

900
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:30,339
one thing that I have noticed is

901
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,179
that when I am triggered

902
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:34,319
First of all, I'm just triggered all the

903
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:36,880
time and having, as David talked about, some

904
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,514
awareness of a sensation. So

905
00:33:39,815 --> 00:33:41,595
I think everyone has a tell.

906
00:33:42,134 --> 00:33:45,014
And so my tell is tightness in the

907
00:33:45,014 --> 00:33:47,414
chest and in the throat. For some people,

908
00:33:47,414 --> 00:33:49,095
it may be headache. It may be upper

909
00:33:49,095 --> 00:33:51,095
abdominal pain. It may be diarrhea. It may

910
00:33:51,095 --> 00:33:51,755
be whatever.

911
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:53,680
But immediately,

912
00:33:54,059 --> 00:33:56,140
as soon as I can in my own

913
00:33:56,140 --> 00:33:58,299
space, and I think I mentioned before, I

914
00:33:58,299 --> 00:33:59,200
go to the bathroom

915
00:34:01,180 --> 00:34:03,279
where I don't, you know, nobody's around.

916
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:04,320
And

917
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:05,599
I literally

918
00:34:06,059 --> 00:34:06,559
feel

919
00:34:06,940 --> 00:34:07,440
that

920
00:34:08,005 --> 00:34:08,505
anger.

921
00:34:09,605 --> 00:34:11,545
That moving through me,

922
00:34:12,565 --> 00:34:14,505
but not coming out,

923
00:34:14,804 --> 00:34:16,905
leaking out with my interactions

924
00:34:17,204 --> 00:34:17,945
with patients

925
00:34:18,644 --> 00:34:20,105
hours on end afterwards

926
00:34:20,484 --> 00:34:23,289
allows me to just reset and kinda go

927
00:34:23,289 --> 00:34:24,989
back to a present space.

928
00:34:25,449 --> 00:34:28,670
So it's acknowledgment, as David had mentioned,

929
00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:29,710
awareness,

930
00:34:30,089 --> 00:34:31,309
and then really

931
00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:34,010
getting to the point where you express and

932
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:36,875
feel it in a safe way. You're speaking

933
00:34:37,735 --> 00:34:39,434
to the value of feeling

934
00:34:39,974 --> 00:34:42,295
the anger or whatever the emotion is and

935
00:34:42,295 --> 00:34:44,855
moving through it. What I'm hearing the three

936
00:34:44,855 --> 00:34:47,195
of you say is that there's a connection

937
00:34:47,414 --> 00:34:47,914
between

938
00:34:48,410 --> 00:34:50,510
feeling those difficult feelings

939
00:34:50,809 --> 00:34:52,829
and the other side of healing,

940
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:55,150
coming through that and actually

941
00:34:55,450 --> 00:34:55,950
healing.

942
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:58,750
What is the value of

943
00:34:59,289 --> 00:34:59,789
feeling

944
00:35:00,650 --> 00:35:01,710
and expressing

945
00:35:02,945 --> 00:35:04,164
in a way that

946
00:35:04,625 --> 00:35:05,525
is healthy?

947
00:35:06,465 --> 00:35:07,764
What can that offer

948
00:35:08,704 --> 00:35:10,405
the body's physical symptoms?

949
00:35:11,105 --> 00:35:13,025
One quick thing. So first of all, repressed

950
00:35:13,025 --> 00:35:15,605
emotions actually shrink the hippocampus of your brain

951
00:35:15,664 --> 00:35:19,079
because addiction issues, depression. So not feeling is

952
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:20,059
actually disaster

953
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,920
and the essence of these unwanted thoughts is

954
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,780
suppressing survival emotions.

955
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,239
So feeling them is really tricky, but when

956
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,539
you're in angry state, you're thinking brain's offline.

957
00:35:31,335 --> 00:35:34,135
So the one phrase we've used over and

958
00:35:34,135 --> 00:35:36,375
over and over again is no action in

959
00:35:36,375 --> 00:35:36,954
a reaction.

960
00:35:37,815 --> 00:35:39,574
So if you're triggered, you just have to

961
00:35:39,574 --> 00:35:42,375
intellectually know I'm triggered, my thinking brain isn't

962
00:35:42,375 --> 00:35:43,594
correctly working

963
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:46,269
and don't do anything. Get out of the

964
00:35:46,269 --> 00:35:48,269
room, cleanse your jaws, just get out of

965
00:35:48,269 --> 00:35:48,769
there.

966
00:35:49,070 --> 00:35:51,469
So the key issue is take action when

967
00:35:51,469 --> 00:35:53,710
your thinking brain's online. It take a minute,

968
00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:54,829
it may take a day, it may take

969
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:56,670
a week, but the key issue is no

970
00:35:56,670 --> 00:35:58,050
action in that reaction.

971
00:35:58,914 --> 00:35:59,414
There

972
00:35:59,714 --> 00:36:00,295
is unconscious

973
00:36:00,755 --> 00:36:01,255
anger

974
00:36:01,554 --> 00:36:03,255
or maybe even historical

975
00:36:03,635 --> 00:36:07,174
anger that just explodes out and really is

976
00:36:07,234 --> 00:36:07,734
destructive.

977
00:36:08,594 --> 00:36:10,594
I think there's a link between what you

978
00:36:10,594 --> 00:36:13,734
said, Cash, around feeling your body sensations

979
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:16,869
and letting your body anchor you here and

980
00:36:16,869 --> 00:36:17,369
now

981
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:19,590
in the present moment. So then you can

982
00:36:19,590 --> 00:36:20,809
say, I feel

983
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:21,849
anger,

984
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:24,869
but it's not me. It's actually indication of

985
00:36:24,869 --> 00:36:27,050
something else going on and maybe

986
00:36:27,590 --> 00:36:28,489
there's hurt

987
00:36:28,965 --> 00:36:29,704
under that.

988
00:36:30,164 --> 00:36:30,985
And already,

989
00:36:31,925 --> 00:36:32,425
the

990
00:36:32,724 --> 00:36:35,144
nervous system is slowing down.

991
00:36:35,525 --> 00:36:37,545
The body can be an incredible

992
00:36:38,085 --> 00:36:39,545
tool to withstand

993
00:36:39,845 --> 00:36:41,065
intense emotions,

994
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:42,139
Carrie.

995
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:44,460
Yeah. I mean, 100%.

996
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,839
I think seeing a woman having a baby

997
00:36:46,839 --> 00:36:48,599
is a really good example of that. I

998
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:50,279
mean, it's a little bit extreme and a

999
00:36:50,279 --> 00:36:52,219
little bit of a bubble, but the emotions

1000
00:36:52,359 --> 00:36:54,539
can be a really helpful compass

1001
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:57,179
if we can stay connected to them,

1002
00:36:57,775 --> 00:37:00,355
and they can guide us toward ourselves.

1003
00:37:01,454 --> 00:37:03,554
To me, that's the value in the feeling.

1004
00:37:03,695 --> 00:37:04,994
The feelings are,

1005
00:37:05,534 --> 00:37:08,574
that's me. That feeling is what makes me

1006
00:37:08,574 --> 00:37:11,410
me. I appreciate someone else may not feel

1007
00:37:11,410 --> 00:37:13,809
that way in this situation or because of

1008
00:37:13,809 --> 00:37:15,750
that, but this is how I feel.

1009
00:37:16,289 --> 00:37:18,849
And that is part of my authentic self

1010
00:37:18,849 --> 00:37:20,070
that makes me

1011
00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:22,530
me. If I can stay out of judging,

1012
00:37:22,530 --> 00:37:24,690
whatever that feeling might be, that's where the

1013
00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:26,684
rubber hits the road for me. It's not

1014
00:37:26,684 --> 00:37:28,144
judging the feeling, but

1015
00:37:28,445 --> 00:37:30,925
acknowledging and allowing it to be whatever it

1016
00:37:30,925 --> 00:37:31,425
is.

1017
00:37:31,885 --> 00:37:32,625
That is

1018
00:37:33,005 --> 00:37:34,065
part of the

1019
00:37:34,365 --> 00:37:34,865
expression

1020
00:37:35,244 --> 00:37:36,865
of my authentic self.

1021
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:38,970
People know Mrs. Myers

1022
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:41,430
dish soap, but it comes in a variety

1023
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:42,090
of different

1024
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:45,269
scents. And my husband was giving me a

1025
00:37:45,269 --> 00:37:47,210
hard time like you really love

1026
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:49,989
scented dish soap, don't you? And I was

1027
00:37:49,989 --> 00:37:50,489
like,

1028
00:37:50,869 --> 00:37:51,930
I really do.

1029
00:37:52,485 --> 00:37:54,085
I really do. If I'm gonna do the

1030
00:37:54,085 --> 00:37:56,405
dishes, I want it to smell good. That's

1031
00:37:56,405 --> 00:37:57,385
part of me.

1032
00:37:57,805 --> 00:37:58,305
It's

1033
00:37:58,724 --> 00:37:59,704
somewhat trivial

1034
00:38:00,244 --> 00:38:00,744
manifestation,

1035
00:38:01,445 --> 00:38:03,865
but that is in fact part of

1036
00:38:04,325 --> 00:38:05,704
what makes me me.

1037
00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:07,469
It can be challenging

1038
00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:10,410
to feel the parts that make us uniquely

1039
00:38:10,410 --> 00:38:10,910
ourselves

1040
00:38:11,369 --> 00:38:14,570
as we compare, as we judge, as we

1041
00:38:14,570 --> 00:38:17,050
think we should be different than exactly as

1042
00:38:17,050 --> 00:38:18,430
we are. Yeah.

1043
00:38:18,795 --> 00:38:21,194
Cash, what would you like to add? Yeah.

1044
00:38:21,194 --> 00:38:23,214
A brief comment is that,

1045
00:38:23,675 --> 00:38:25,694
personally, I've seen the capacity

1046
00:38:25,994 --> 00:38:26,734
to feel

1047
00:38:27,034 --> 00:38:29,855
and feel a range of emotions and identify

1048
00:38:29,994 --> 00:38:30,494
them

1049
00:38:30,875 --> 00:38:32,255
and realize that

1050
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:34,930
I'm not gonna die because I feel x,

1051
00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:35,750
y, or z

1052
00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:37,510
has given me

1053
00:38:37,890 --> 00:38:38,390
capacity.

1054
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:39,910
Capacity

1055
00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:41,269
to handle

1056
00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:43,030
other people's emotions.

1057
00:38:43,650 --> 00:38:45,670
So when I am triggered

1058
00:38:46,355 --> 00:38:48,514
and I have somebody that I'm taking care

1059
00:38:48,514 --> 00:38:50,534
of and they are

1060
00:38:51,074 --> 00:38:52,454
upset or angry,

1061
00:38:53,394 --> 00:38:55,315
I am not going to be able to

1062
00:38:55,315 --> 00:38:58,054
respond in a really healthy way

1063
00:38:58,355 --> 00:39:00,694
like I want to, like my spiritual self.

1064
00:39:00,994 --> 00:39:01,494
But

1065
00:39:01,889 --> 00:39:03,909
if I have done enough expression,

1066
00:39:04,210 --> 00:39:06,150
I have made this cauldron

1067
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:08,469
that I can hold people.

1068
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:11,429
No matter what they throw at me,

1069
00:39:11,730 --> 00:39:13,829
there will still be love coming out.

1070
00:39:14,289 --> 00:39:16,069
Multiply that by

1071
00:39:16,824 --> 00:39:17,644
8,000,000,000,

1072
00:39:18,344 --> 00:39:21,164
and maybe we'll start doing something positive,

1073
00:39:21,945 --> 00:39:23,085
you know, worldwide.

1074
00:39:24,265 --> 00:39:27,644
Yeah. So we're talking in some ways about

1075
00:39:28,025 --> 00:39:31,269
this theme of feeling safe versus feeling

1076
00:39:31,570 --> 00:39:34,530
stressed or fight or flight or triggered or

1077
00:39:34,530 --> 00:39:36,309
judged in some way.

1078
00:39:36,929 --> 00:39:37,429
David?

1079
00:39:37,969 --> 00:39:40,469
So people think that stress is psychological.

1080
00:39:40,849 --> 00:39:43,514
Most people think that. It is absolutely not,

1081
00:39:43,514 --> 00:39:45,114
it's just what you feel when your body

1082
00:39:45,114 --> 00:39:48,074
feels threat. That's what stress is, stress is

1083
00:39:48,074 --> 00:39:48,574
adversity,

1084
00:39:48,954 --> 00:39:51,914
it's threat, it's how you feel. It's not

1085
00:39:51,914 --> 00:39:52,414
psychological,

1086
00:39:52,875 --> 00:39:55,135
it's your body's response to a threat.

1087
00:39:55,699 --> 00:39:58,199
Second thing is thoughts have no power.

1088
00:39:58,819 --> 00:40:00,039
Thoughts are just thoughts.

1089
00:40:01,219 --> 00:40:02,679
I mean, they're not real.

1090
00:40:03,380 --> 00:40:05,299
The only reason they're real is because we

1091
00:40:05,299 --> 00:40:07,799
give meaning to them with a physiological response.

1092
00:40:08,114 --> 00:40:09,554
So the reason why thoughts have so much

1093
00:40:09,554 --> 00:40:11,235
power is that they fire up the body's

1094
00:40:11,235 --> 00:40:11,735
physiology

1095
00:40:12,434 --> 00:40:15,014
and that's where awareness breaks that link.

1096
00:40:15,635 --> 00:40:17,175
So thoughts are not the physiological

1097
00:40:17,474 --> 00:40:18,775
link are nothing.

1098
00:40:19,235 --> 00:40:21,480
There's a reaction to the thoughts that create

1099
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,820
so much havoc in us in the world.

1100
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:26,519
With repetition, we develop an identity or mental

1101
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:27,019
rigidity,

1102
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,559
and look at the harm done in the

1103
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:31,659
world by concepts and philosophies

1104
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,380
being defended by people and societies.

1105
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:35,900
They're just thoughts.

1106
00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:38,035
By the way, mental pain has been well

1107
00:40:38,035 --> 00:40:40,594
documented to be worse than physical pain, you

1108
00:40:40,594 --> 00:40:41,974
cannot escape your thoughts,

1109
00:40:42,515 --> 00:40:43,335
we're trapped.

1110
00:40:43,635 --> 00:40:46,035
So we have a human species problem of

1111
00:40:46,035 --> 00:40:48,594
being trapped by our thoughts, so you separate

1112
00:40:48,594 --> 00:40:50,695
from them and train to be less reactive

1113
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,300
and then visualize a different future,

1114
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,840
that's where the Hoffman process can do about

1115
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,280
five years of my work in about a

1116
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,380
week. So it's feeling the patterns,

1117
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,240
not reacting to them, putting your brain where

1118
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,940
you want your brain to go.

1119
00:41:04,335 --> 00:41:05,234
And with neuroplasticity,

1120
00:41:05,775 --> 00:41:07,795
you literally develop a new nervous system.

1121
00:41:08,255 --> 00:41:10,734
The healing occurs as you move forward with

1122
00:41:10,734 --> 00:41:11,474
your vision.

1123
00:41:11,775 --> 00:41:12,594
So healing

1124
00:41:13,135 --> 00:41:16,734
occurs as we create a nervous system that

1125
00:41:16,734 --> 00:41:19,234
can feel safe in various situations.

1126
00:41:19,869 --> 00:41:21,489
Carrie, do we have a capacity

1127
00:41:22,989 --> 00:41:25,809
to change how we like, to take responsibility

1128
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:27,889
for our inner experience of safety?

1129
00:41:28,510 --> 00:41:29,969
I think we have to.

1130
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:32,589
I don't know that anybody else can do

1131
00:41:32,589 --> 00:41:35,034
that for us. I mean, people can make

1132
00:41:35,034 --> 00:41:37,295
it easier or harder just like the practitioner

1133
00:41:37,355 --> 00:41:38,954
who walks in the room and either does

1134
00:41:38,954 --> 00:41:40,494
make eye contact or doesn't.

1135
00:41:40,954 --> 00:41:41,695
But, ultimately,

1136
00:41:42,954 --> 00:41:44,635
I think it's on each of us as

1137
00:41:44,635 --> 00:41:45,135
individuals

1138
00:41:45,514 --> 00:41:48,359
to do what we can and whether it's

1139
00:41:48,359 --> 00:41:50,440
the kind of techniques that David is talking

1140
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:50,940
about

1141
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,559
or the techniques that Hoffman has to offer

1142
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:54,059
or

1143
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:56,539
some other, you know, Buddhist.

1144
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,480
Right? There's a whole world of techniques out

1145
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,940
there to try

1146
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,219
and cultivate

1147
00:42:03,434 --> 00:42:04,815
safety within ourselves,

1148
00:42:05,755 --> 00:42:07,055
I think it's on us.

1149
00:42:07,434 --> 00:42:09,755
So I think we're saying safety on some

1150
00:42:09,755 --> 00:42:11,614
levels required for healing.

1151
00:42:12,235 --> 00:42:14,575
I think that we're also saying that on

1152
00:42:14,875 --> 00:42:16,335
some level, healing

1153
00:42:16,635 --> 00:42:17,135
requires,

1154
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,299
Kash, you said, I see you're suffering.

1155
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,839
What would you like to say about that

1156
00:42:22,839 --> 00:42:24,460
as we come to wrap up?

1157
00:42:24,839 --> 00:42:27,019
A big turning point for me

1158
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,859
as a physician

1159
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,460
was

1160
00:42:31,215 --> 00:42:31,715
understanding

1161
00:42:32,015 --> 00:42:33,635
that I am not

1162
00:42:34,655 --> 00:42:35,875
completely responsible

1163
00:42:36,894 --> 00:42:37,394
for

1164
00:42:38,255 --> 00:42:39,075
my patients'

1165
00:42:39,775 --> 00:42:42,835
betterment or getting worse or suffering or whatever.

1166
00:42:43,539 --> 00:42:45,000
When I just saw myself

1167
00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:48,760
not as the director, but rather

1168
00:42:49,219 --> 00:42:51,639
I'm a part of this person's journey,

1169
00:42:52,579 --> 00:42:55,159
that took so much pressure off

1170
00:42:55,859 --> 00:42:57,079
that it allowed

1171
00:42:58,065 --> 00:43:01,585
whatever healing was gonna happen in whatever way

1172
00:43:01,585 --> 00:43:02,085
happen.

1173
00:43:02,625 --> 00:43:05,425
In the health professions, we tend to feel

1174
00:43:05,425 --> 00:43:07,045
like we are so responsible

1175
00:43:07,344 --> 00:43:08,244
for everyone's

1176
00:43:08,784 --> 00:43:09,284
well-being.

1177
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,699
Like Karouzin, we can help create the environment.

1178
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,579
But ultimately, everyone's on their own journey.

1179
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:17,739
If we can

1180
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,099
create safety within our own physiology

1181
00:43:22,494 --> 00:43:24,494
and our body can be a tool for

1182
00:43:24,494 --> 00:43:24,994
that.

1183
00:43:25,295 --> 00:43:28,195
What's one takeaway that you'd like our listeners

1184
00:43:28,335 --> 00:43:29,234
to hear, David?

1185
00:43:29,614 --> 00:43:31,315
The focus is on skills.

1186
00:43:31,855 --> 00:43:34,994
It's always multi pronged. There's ever one solution.

1187
00:43:35,295 --> 00:43:37,155
You have ways of prostitution adversities.

1188
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:39,670
You have ways ways of caring for your

1189
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:42,090
nervous system like diet, exercise, and sleep.

1190
00:43:42,469 --> 00:43:44,250
There's ways of regulating physiology.

1191
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:47,930
It's a learned skill set that taking responsibility

1192
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:50,309
for learning those skills yourself, you're the only

1193
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:51,610
person that can do it,

1194
00:43:52,055 --> 00:43:54,614
is absolutely a game changer. And what the

1195
00:43:54,614 --> 00:43:56,055
world needs for each one of us to

1196
00:43:56,055 --> 00:43:57,894
do is for each one of us to

1197
00:43:57,894 --> 00:43:58,394
heal.

1198
00:43:58,855 --> 00:44:00,614
And as each one of us heals, the

1199
00:44:00,614 --> 00:44:02,394
world can and will change.

1200
00:44:02,855 --> 00:44:03,355
Carrie.

1201
00:44:03,894 --> 00:44:05,275
I'm a fan of breath

1202
00:44:05,849 --> 00:44:08,170
because I always have it. It's always with

1203
00:44:08,170 --> 00:44:10,250
me and nobody else necessarily needs to know

1204
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:12,590
about it. It's a great little

1205
00:44:13,050 --> 00:44:15,610
touch point for my mind to weigh in

1206
00:44:15,610 --> 00:44:17,390
on to get a sense of

1207
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:20,405
how am I doing. You know, am I

1208
00:44:20,405 --> 00:44:22,804
short of breath? Am I breathing deeply? Am

1209
00:44:22,804 --> 00:44:24,105
I breathing freely?

1210
00:44:24,804 --> 00:44:26,025
And I can

1211
00:44:26,804 --> 00:44:29,364
use it certainly personally in my own life

1212
00:44:29,364 --> 00:44:32,164
when I feel myself becoming dysregulated and wanting

1213
00:44:32,164 --> 00:44:34,480
to self soothe, and I can also use

1214
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,179
it in a therapeutic encounter

1215
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,139
if I find myself reacting to

1216
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:42,400
the person I'm listening to either because there's

1217
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,779
transference or because

1218
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:45,039
they're

1219
00:44:45,394 --> 00:44:48,594
I'm moved by their pain or I'm relating

1220
00:44:48,594 --> 00:44:50,434
to their pain or I'm jealous of something.

1221
00:44:50,434 --> 00:44:52,675
You know? Like, all of the human emotions

1222
00:44:52,675 --> 00:44:54,775
that can come up in encounter with someone,

1223
00:44:55,315 --> 00:44:56,214
I can always

1224
00:44:56,675 --> 00:44:58,454
have a touch point with my breath

1225
00:44:58,910 --> 00:45:01,570
and bring myself back to myself

1226
00:45:01,950 --> 00:45:02,450
and

1227
00:45:03,070 --> 00:45:03,570
sometimes

1228
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:06,829
calm myself if that's what's needed or bring

1229
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:08,050
myself back to presence.

1230
00:45:08,750 --> 00:45:10,989
And a callback to what David mentioned around

1231
00:45:10,989 --> 00:45:14,344
awareness, even just coming to what's happening in

1232
00:45:14,344 --> 00:45:15,085
my breath

1233
00:45:15,704 --> 00:45:18,025
brings you into your body, into the moment.

1234
00:45:18,025 --> 00:45:20,344
Can you breathe yourself into a place of

1235
00:45:20,344 --> 00:45:20,844
safety?

1236
00:45:21,625 --> 00:45:22,764
100%.

1237
00:45:24,344 --> 00:45:24,844
Yeah.

1238
00:45:25,224 --> 00:45:26,730
I mean, I think that there is

1239
00:45:27,289 --> 00:45:30,429
centuries and centuries and centuries of people practicing

1240
00:45:30,570 --> 00:45:33,530
breath work as a means of spiritual practice

1241
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:34,829
and health and healing.

1242
00:45:35,369 --> 00:45:37,210
David, you wanted to make a comment on

1243
00:45:37,210 --> 00:45:38,429
breath work. Yes, please.

1244
00:45:38,985 --> 00:45:41,085
Well, I mean, what you're doing is stimulating

1245
00:45:41,224 --> 00:45:44,025
the vagus nerve, which is anti inflammatory. So

1246
00:45:44,025 --> 00:45:44,525
humming,

1247
00:45:44,905 --> 00:45:45,965
rubbing your forehead,

1248
00:45:46,425 --> 00:45:49,224
certain music, breath work, all stimulate the vagus

1249
00:45:49,224 --> 00:45:51,465
nerve, which is highly anti inflammatory. And again,

1250
00:45:51,465 --> 00:45:52,204
not psychological,

1251
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:53,420
physiological.

1252
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,199
That's one part of the healing process is

1253
00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:58,380
stimulating your body's physiology to the parasympathetic

1254
00:45:58,679 --> 00:45:59,500
nervous system.

1255
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,460
So breath work is really very powerful.

1256
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:03,659
A tool

1257
00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:05,819
where you can use your physiology

1258
00:46:07,005 --> 00:46:08,065
in collaboration

1259
00:46:08,924 --> 00:46:11,184
with the rest of you. Thank you.

1260
00:46:11,644 --> 00:46:13,404
Cash, how about you? What is a way

1261
00:46:13,404 --> 00:46:15,964
that we can bring more safety, more healing

1262
00:46:15,964 --> 00:46:17,105
to our physical bodies?

1263
00:46:17,724 --> 00:46:18,224
Use

1264
00:46:18,525 --> 00:46:20,844
whatever tools are available to you to engender

1265
00:46:20,844 --> 00:46:21,904
safety in yourself.

1266
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:23,400
What I do

1267
00:46:24,099 --> 00:46:26,260
is what I learned really at Hoffman was

1268
00:46:26,260 --> 00:46:27,480
this hand on heart

1269
00:46:27,860 --> 00:46:29,559
and holding it there,

1270
00:46:30,179 --> 00:46:31,860
that kind of being a habit. And, you

1271
00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:33,699
know, if you're in public, you can just

1272
00:46:33,699 --> 00:46:35,940
kind of like pretend you're scratching your chest

1273
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:36,679
or something.

1274
00:46:37,394 --> 00:46:38,135
We know,

1275
00:46:38,434 --> 00:46:40,914
and the HeartMath Institute has done so much

1276
00:46:40,914 --> 00:46:41,974
work on

1277
00:46:42,434 --> 00:46:45,235
how connecting with the heart, the touch and

1278
00:46:45,235 --> 00:46:46,454
using one's body

1279
00:46:47,235 --> 00:46:49,315
body can't tell if someone's hugging us or

1280
00:46:49,315 --> 00:46:51,015
we're hugging ourselves, right?

1281
00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:52,710
Giving ourselves

1282
00:46:53,250 --> 00:46:53,989
the physical

1283
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:55,510
touch,

1284
00:46:55,809 --> 00:46:57,110
love that we need

1285
00:46:57,730 --> 00:47:00,210
to enter a state where we can connect

1286
00:47:00,210 --> 00:47:02,789
to spirit again, where we can be safe.

1287
00:47:03,250 --> 00:47:05,910
It's hard to get there if one hasn't

1288
00:47:06,554 --> 00:47:07,054
expressed

1289
00:47:08,155 --> 00:47:10,255
the underlying muck of the moment

1290
00:47:11,034 --> 00:47:12,494
to get to that place.

1291
00:47:13,114 --> 00:47:13,934
So expression

1292
00:47:14,714 --> 00:47:15,775
and, ultimately,

1293
00:47:16,315 --> 00:47:18,175
you know, love and compassion for oneself.

1294
00:47:18,849 --> 00:47:21,109
And a physical gesture of

1295
00:47:21,409 --> 00:47:22,230
you're safe.

1296
00:47:22,530 --> 00:47:25,170
I'm holding you. Yeah. I got you. You're

1297
00:47:25,170 --> 00:47:25,670
okay.

1298
00:47:26,449 --> 00:47:28,949
Tell us one moment you absolutely

1299
00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:31,534
fell in love with the body

1300
00:47:32,155 --> 00:47:34,155
or medical science where you were like, this

1301
00:47:34,155 --> 00:47:35,135
is it for me.

1302
00:47:35,755 --> 00:47:36,494
I remember

1303
00:47:36,875 --> 00:47:39,275
when I was an undergrad and I was

1304
00:47:39,275 --> 00:47:39,775
undeclared.

1305
00:47:40,234 --> 00:47:41,775
I was gonna be in the sciences,

1306
00:47:42,234 --> 00:47:45,450
something. I just nothing really appealed to me.

1307
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:48,390
But then I learned that there was a

1308
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:48,890
neuroscience

1309
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:49,690
major.

1310
00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:52,250
When I started delving into neuroscience,

1311
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:54,090
the fact

1312
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:55,050
that

1313
00:47:55,885 --> 00:47:58,525
we are like the only beings that can

1314
00:47:58,525 --> 00:48:01,025
actively change our own physiology,

1315
00:48:01,805 --> 00:48:03,505
we can literally change

1316
00:48:03,805 --> 00:48:04,625
what proteins

1317
00:48:05,244 --> 00:48:05,985
are being

1318
00:48:06,845 --> 00:48:08,545
made and synthesized

1319
00:48:08,925 --> 00:48:10,785
and how we're using glucose

1320
00:48:11,539 --> 00:48:13,000
just based on our thoughts.

1321
00:48:13,619 --> 00:48:15,639
What that gave me was

1322
00:48:15,940 --> 00:48:17,079
hope for myself.

1323
00:48:18,339 --> 00:48:20,820
Yes. Maybe there is a way to change

1324
00:48:20,820 --> 00:48:21,639
that physiology

1325
00:48:22,099 --> 00:48:22,920
to be happy,

1326
00:48:23,380 --> 00:48:24,760
you know? Cool.

1327
00:48:25,394 --> 00:48:26,914
I was telling my daughter this because she's

1328
00:48:26,914 --> 00:48:28,994
doing a report on cells, and it has

1329
00:48:28,994 --> 00:48:30,994
to be all handwritten. And I was drawing

1330
00:48:30,994 --> 00:48:32,594
for her the cell membrane, and, you know,

1331
00:48:32,594 --> 00:48:35,155
it's this phospholipid bilayer. And so I'm drawing

1332
00:48:35,155 --> 00:48:37,235
it, and then I I'm showing her how

1333
00:48:37,235 --> 00:48:38,614
a receptor works.

1334
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:41,579
And I remember sitting in biology and the

1335
00:48:41,579 --> 00:48:43,579
teacher explaining this and it's like this little

1336
00:48:43,579 --> 00:48:46,380
thing's floating around and it just happens to

1337
00:48:46,380 --> 00:48:46,880
fit

1338
00:48:47,179 --> 00:48:50,139
perfectly right there. And then this whole cascade

1339
00:48:50,139 --> 00:48:52,559
of events, this entire amazing

1340
00:48:53,175 --> 00:48:53,675
cascade

1341
00:48:54,295 --> 00:48:57,675
of physiology that happens because it happened across

1342
00:48:57,974 --> 00:49:00,295
the perfect fit. And I was like, this

1343
00:49:00,295 --> 00:49:01,114
is magic.

1344
00:49:01,655 --> 00:49:03,355
This is actually spirit.

1345
00:49:05,094 --> 00:49:05,594
Yeah.

1346
00:49:05,949 --> 00:49:07,570
I remember reading the relaxation

1347
00:49:07,869 --> 00:49:10,349
response by Herbert Benson, who was a Harvard

1348
00:49:10,349 --> 00:49:10,849
trained

1349
00:49:12,670 --> 00:49:15,570
psychologist. I don't know. He studied transcendental meditation,

1350
00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:18,429
and I suffered from terrible insomnia as a

1351
00:49:18,429 --> 00:49:20,255
kid. And I don't know what kind of

1352
00:49:20,255 --> 00:49:22,575
weirdo I was that I found this book,

1353
00:49:22,575 --> 00:49:25,614
The Relaxation Response, like, in 1983

1354
00:49:25,614 --> 00:49:26,914
at some used bookstore.

1355
00:49:27,934 --> 00:49:28,755
I was like,

1356
00:49:29,215 --> 00:49:29,715
oh,

1357
00:49:30,015 --> 00:49:32,015
maybe I can use my thoughts to help

1358
00:49:32,015 --> 00:49:34,335
me sleep. I don't think that was, like,

1359
00:49:34,335 --> 00:49:34,835
my

1360
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:38,760
pivotal moment, my moment. Probably my moment was

1361
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:39,260
hearing

1362
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,739
a conventional trained OB GYN

1363
00:49:42,359 --> 00:49:44,299
and a locally trained herbalist

1364
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,159
speak on the same stage at a conference

1365
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:48,539
together, and I was like,

1366
00:49:50,184 --> 00:49:51,484
It's not either

1367
00:49:51,784 --> 00:49:55,244
or. It's both and depending on the individual

1368
00:49:55,464 --> 00:49:57,324
and what they need in the given moment.

1369
00:49:58,344 --> 00:50:00,664
That was probably it. But I was also,

1370
00:50:00,664 --> 00:50:02,744
like, a weird kid reading books about crystal

1371
00:50:02,744 --> 00:50:04,284
healing. Like, I was a weirdo.

1372
00:50:06,409 --> 00:50:09,389
I love that. Part part witch, part

1373
00:50:09,769 --> 00:50:11,549
nurse midwife, part

1374
00:50:12,969 --> 00:50:13,949
part author.

1375
00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:15,710
Truth is out.

1376
00:50:18,525 --> 00:50:21,244
So I met doctor Steven Porges on the

1377
00:50:21,244 --> 00:50:23,324
polyvagal theory. He and I started a round

1378
00:50:23,324 --> 00:50:25,724
table together in 2020, and we meet twice

1379
00:50:25,724 --> 00:50:26,304
a month.

1380
00:50:26,764 --> 00:50:28,764
And his wife is Sue Carter who looks

1381
00:50:28,764 --> 00:50:30,525
at the peptides as sort of the chemical

1382
00:50:30,525 --> 00:50:32,704
equivalent of the autonomic nervous system.

1383
00:50:33,289 --> 00:50:35,769
And we have over a 120 talks from

1384
00:50:35,769 --> 00:50:37,530
the deepest scientists in the world about a

1385
00:50:37,530 --> 00:50:38,510
chondral DNA,

1386
00:50:38,889 --> 00:50:40,109
neuroimaging, etcetera.

1387
00:50:40,409 --> 00:50:40,909
And

1388
00:50:41,289 --> 00:50:42,429
the complexity

1389
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:45,465
just started to emerge just blew me away

1390
00:50:45,785 --> 00:50:46,285
beyond

1391
00:50:46,744 --> 00:50:48,285
words. Then I get into the

1392
00:50:48,664 --> 00:50:50,605
consciousness thing, reflecting physiology.

1393
00:50:51,065 --> 00:50:52,825
Here's one little detail that blew me away

1394
00:50:52,825 --> 00:50:54,344
is that if you see a bully walking

1395
00:50:54,344 --> 00:50:57,065
across the street, your body's chemistry has already

1396
00:50:57,065 --> 00:50:59,625
reacted and your thoughts come one to ten

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seconds later.

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So your body's incredibly powerful. My cat doesn't

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need a mind actually to survive,

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and neither do we.

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So in this human consciousness thing that's laid

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on this incredible machine.

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So anyway, in this study group, the complexity

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of the human body,

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we don't know anything. I mean,

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we just don't know anything. It's so incredible.

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So that's why I get a little bit

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frustrated because all we can do is allow

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the body to heal itself,

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and anything we do can help it along

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a bit, but we can't make that much

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difference compared to the body's capacity to heal.

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So as we allow people to get out

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of their own way of healing, it takes

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care of itself. It's just beyond comprehension to

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me. Yeah. I think we need to create

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a rehab for

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medical perfectionists.

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Thank all of you for being here. Cash,

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David, Carrie, thank you so much for participating

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in this conversation. I hope for so much

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more. Yeah. Thank you. This is wonderful. Thanks,

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Sadie.

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Thanks, Carrie and David. It was great talking

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to you guys. Wonderful.

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Thank you for listening to our podcast. My

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name is Liza Ingrassi. I'm the CEO and

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president of Hoffman Institute Foundation.

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And I'm Razi Ingrassi,

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Hoffman teacher and founder of the Hoffman Institute

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Foundation.

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Our mission is to provide people greater access

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to the wisdom and power of love. In

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themselves, in each other and in the world.

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To find out more, please go to hoffmaninstitute.org.