For me, the most powerful part of the
process was how enjoyable
it was, how loved I felt, how safe
I felt. And that in itself was such
a powerful
message
to me
that
healing doesn't have to come from a place
of suffering. It can come from a place
of joy.
Welcome, everybody. My name is Drew Horning, and
this podcast is called Love's Everyday Radius.
It's brought to you by the Hoffman Institute,
and its stories and anecdotes
and people we interview
about their life post process and how it
lives in the world radiating
love.
Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Hoffman podcast. Liz
Moody
is with us. Liz, welcome.
Thank you. I'm so excited to be here.
Damn. We are excited to have you. Liz
does a lot of things, everybody.
But one of the things she does is
run and host
the Liz Moody podcast, and it's
quite popular. I checked it out the other
day. How many do you how do you
judge a podcast, Liz? Downloads, subscribers?
I judge it personally on the amount of
people whose lives that I'm changing. That's actually
something I can talk about, but the process
helped me become less focused on the numbers
of it all. But, yes, on the charts
and with the downloads and all of that
kind of stuff, we we do quite well.
Wow. I imagine tentacles
of the process,
lots of places in your life.
Yes. Many places, and I'm sure we'll get
into a lot of those here. Alright. Let's
do it. So in addition to your podcast
list, you've written
a couple books.
Right? I have. Yeah. I have 2 cookbooks.
And then most recently, last fall, I released
a book called a 100 ways to change
your life, and it's a compilation of expert
backed tips and then ways to action those
tips. We have a 100 of them so
you can kinda flip through the book
and use what speaks to you at the
moment based on your needs at the moment.
Wow.
So writer podcaster, one's kind of an introverted
thing, the other's quite extroverted. Are these two
sides of you?
I consider myself an extroverted
introvert. I really need that time to sort
of decompress,
to be by myself, to read, to take
things in. But, yes, I love
people. I love being around people. I end
up loving structured fun with people because it
takes the social anxiety away from it. Like,
I have a conversation card company where you
can pull cards and have really deep conversations,
which is what I'm always craving so much.
But sometimes I feel social anxiety trying to
get there. You know what I mean? Structured
fun,
Liz. Those two words, I like it.
I I sound like a ball.
No. They sound great. Like, what a way
to
navigate,
the social anxiety or the uncertainty.
Let's create some structure around it. And then
within that structure, you get to have fun.
Mhmm. And, I mean, I've been trying to
tap into more of just whimsical play. That's
another thing that the process
really led me to value more in my
life. I just had my birthday recently, and
we did a day of childlike fun for
my birthday. And that was very much inspired
by my experience with the process too. But
I love a dinner party where there's conversation
starters. I love, like, a murder mystery party.
I love a game night. Just something with
a little bit of structure to it.
We're gonna go a lot of places. We
keep saying that. But one of the things
that
I sorta hear
in the work that you do is that
it's deeply
inspired by kinda what you're inspired by lately
in your life. Do you feel like what
you produce is sort of what's inside of
you creatively in the moment?
A 100%.
My
career
journey I mean, it started a very, very
long time ago when I was 15 years
old and I pitched a newspaper column, but
I was a journalist
in a more general sense for a very
long time before changing my focus to personal
growth, transformation,
wellness, and that was inspired by my personal
journey with agoraphobia,
where I would have panic attacks whenever I
left the house. So that
seeking
and that applying my skills to that seeking
kicked off this phase of my career.
And in many ways,
things that I'm seeking in my life show
up in my career and have ever since.
But I'm also really always trying to see
what people need and what people want and
what people are talking about and how I
can serve them the most.
Yeah. So it sounds like the work you're
producing is kind of Venn diagram.
What is in your life in the moment
and then also
what people need is what you're hearing from
your audiences,
your
people who are buying your books. A 100%.
A really interesting experience that I've had recently
is having my own work find me when
I needed it. So I would do these
podcast episodes, and I would talk to all
these experts and doctors, and I would hear
the material that way. And I would prep
for these podcasts for hours and hours beforehand.
So I'm already deep into the material. And
then I wrote about it in my book,
and then I went on book tour for
it. And then months later after I'd had
all of these different touch points with the
same material, I'd have this moment like, oh,
wait.
That's a really good tip. I should try
that right now. And I say this because
I think sometimes there's so much information out
there in the world. You should do this.
You should try this. Here's this tip, this
expert saying this, and we can feel really
overwhelmed by all that information.
But I've had the experience so many times
myself of needing, first of all, these multiple
touch points, but then
also needing the sense of trust that when
you really need these messages,
they're in your head
waiting for you in the moments that they
are actually needed to come out. And so
I think that being patient with yourself and
and knowing that you know everything you need
to get you through those hard times is
a really valuable lesson in this age of,
like, over information that we're all living in.
Liz, you are talking our language at Hoffman.
It feels like sometimes people come to the
process and do personal growth work
to fix themselves.
I'm imagining you're relating to that. This is
about trusting that
you do have all you need inside of
you. There's nothing wrong with you. Could you
do the personal growth from that place rather
than trying to fix yourself something's wrong with
you? Yeah. And so it's one of yeah.
It's one of the things that I really,
really love about Hoffman is there's these moments
of
pain and calling your pain forth and sharing
your pain. And obviously that's a really, really,
really powerful part of the process. But for
me,
the most powerful part of the process was
how
enjoyable it was, how loved I felt, how
safe I felt, And that in itself was
such a powerful
message
to me
that healing doesn't have to come from a
place of suffering. It can come from a
place of joy.
Wow.
This kind of seemed like a radical idea.
I noticed I'm just taking a breath that
healing doesn't have to come from a place
of suffering. It can come from a place
of joy.
And in fact, there's a lot of science
to support that healing better comes from a
place of joy. I just did a podcast
episode with a UCSF
psychologist, and she was talking about how we
have all these stress hormones that turn on
and those stress hormones make it almost impossible
for us to move forward, to break bad
habits.
And we have to essentially turn off those
stress hormones at a root level to be
able to make the changes that we wanna
make in our lives.
Liz, we should also add researcher
to your title because it sounds like you're
doing
research as you
get people to listen in on the research
you're doing as you interview all these experts.
So my background is in journalism,
and I am always trying to seek out
the best sources to find the science at
the root of different things, and it's actually
been a really fun part of Hoffman for
me is
you guys use I mean, it's such a
tried and tested and true process, but you
guys are utilizing,
I don't know, like, 20, 30 different types
of the latest research in all these different
fields. And as I become more familiar with
all those different research practices and neuroscience and
psychology and all these different things, I'm like,
oh, that was the way Hoffman was using
that. That's so interesting.
I'm smiling because
I appreciate that
you see the research behind
the curated experience that we bring to students.
Mhmm. I do think and this is the
other thing that I was gonna say earlier.
The whole trust the process, trust the process,
trust the process. Like, like, you're almost like,
yeah. Yeah. I get it. I trust the
process. But, really, if you can sit back
and trust it, and then to the point
of what I was saying earlier, trusting
in the days after and I really wanna
say this clearly because I
listened to the Hoffman podcast. I was trying
to really limit my time on social media
at that time
and let everything that I learned in the
process really seep in. And this was well
after my reintegration weekend, but I was just
trying to
bask in that glow of Hoffman for as
long as possibly possible. And this podcast felt
like a lifeline to me back to Hoffman.
And I'd listened to it and I would
be like, oh, am I
doing all of the practices right? Like, am
I falling behind? Am I not where I
should be?
And for me being
further out from it now, it's really been
a process of
trusting
that what I need to get from the
process will continue to unveil itself to me
in the time that it needs to and
that there isn't
a right way to exit the process. And
I just really wanna share that because I
was so concerned about
not wasting my experience
and getting the most out of it right
after. And and the further out I get,
the more abundantly clear it is to me
that that's not possible.
You talk a lot about trust
and patience and trusting yourself and the journey
post process.
I really appreciate that. But let's dive in
a little bit if you're open here.
What led you
to
signing up and taking a week off
and paying the money? You're based in Berkeley.
Right? Mhmm. Yeah. Although yeah. I just moved
back to Berkeley at that time. I lived
nomadically for 3 years, and then I did
this whole
book promo fall thing. And then I had
just moved back to Berkeley when I did
the process. I see. So
what kind of state were you in, and
what was your motivation for signing up for
Hoffman?
I signed up for it in the middle
of my book promotional
blitz when I was feeling
very burnt out and tired and overwhelmed.
And I think having
had experience
with
really severe anxiety with agoraphobia,
there's always a part of my brain that's
on the lookout for that and trying to
make sure that I'm not going to go
back to that place. I remember having that
thought at the beginning of the pandemic of,
oh, I'd been in this experience of being
afraid to go outside when it wasn't actually
scary. And then how would my brain react
when it was actually scary to go outside?
And so I'm always trying to kind of
find those bumpers for my mental health and
put them up before they're needed. So, yeah,
I was in this experience of being really
overwhelmed with my book process, and I'd heard
about Hoffman from a number of my podcast
guests. I'd heard about it in various social
circles over the years, and I've been really
interested in trying it. So I signed up
and
went through the whole book process, and then
I got to do my process as a
little reward at the end of that. So
you come in a bit burnt out, a
bit overwhelmed
with
awareness around
some anxiety patterns.
What was the beginning like for you? You're
you're a student now. You're sitting in the
classroom.
What's that like? How did it go? Take
us there.
I was so
nervous. It's so crazy reflecting on the first
day. I think it was the first morning
when you're sitting there and everybody's a stranger
and you're kind of looking around the room
and trying to get their vibe. And then
the last day when you're like, oh my
gosh. These people are my family. It's such
a
drastic difference between those 2 days, between how
you come and how you leave. But, yeah,
I was I was so anxious. I was
worried about whether I'd get along with everybody,
whether they like me, how hard it would
be to be off of my phone and
off of my email for the entire week.
That was really, really scary for me as
a person whose job is primarily online, but
I was also really excited. I like going
all in on things. There's something that's really
exciting to me versus
doing a little bit of something week after
week. I liked the idea of having this
really immersive experience.
You weren't afraid of the intensity.
No. I was excited for the intensity. If
anything, I was like, how can I
make it so that this week really changes
me? How deep can we go? How hard
can we go? How all in can we
get? And so given some of the beginning
is about childhood and about parents,
I guess, you had probably done some personal
growth work prior to that, but
what did Hoffman
offer you
in those first few days around
understanding the negative love syndrome? And, by the
way, we'll put lots of stuff in our
show notes here. So in case we say
something that you're curious about, you can always
go to our website
and check out our show notes. I just
mentioned the negative love syndrome. But
did you find some insights that are worthy
of sharing? I did. And I also wanna
say to anybody listening, I remember when I
read the, like, pre reading material and I
was like, what is this? This makes no
sense to me. And then over the course
of the process, you hear about it so
much, and you're like, okay. This does make
sense. So that's another thing to trust even
if you don't understand it at all right
now. But I I do have a pretty
good sense of awareness around my family and
my background and all those things. Both of
my parents are psychologists. My sister's a psychologist.
Both of my husband's parents are psychologists as
well. So I'm steeped in that world.
But I had a lot of realizations
even with that. I realized that
many of my
patterns
were from my step parent who I had
not thought had had that significant of an
effect on my life. So that was really
surprising for me to see, and it gave
me a lot of compassion for her. And
I think that word compassion is is a
big realization I had with the childhood part
of the process is
understanding
more
where my parents were coming from.
Ironically or conversely or interestingly, I'm not sure
exactly what's the right word, but having that
compassion for them gave me the space to
get angry with them in a way that
I hadn't allowed myself for a really, really,
really long time. I don't think ever in
memory. And so those two sides
came out powerfully for me in the first
few days, and it was a really helpful
experience.
Yeah. You know, I it's funny. I just
had a post process call with a student,
and he was saying that
one of the things as he reflected back
on his process
was the permission
to allow himself to get angry and express
some of the anger and some of the
hurt that he had previously really kept down.
It does seem
like
that's just not something
that we are willing to allow ourselves in
society. Is this anger and hurt towards our
parents? Is it?
It isn't. And I think the idea
that
they
have their own stories coming from their own
places
is a really important part of what the
process teaches you in terms
of being able to be angry with them.
It's it's again, I think having the
full understanding of a person's humanness is what
lets the anger in, but it's also what
lets the love in. And I think those
two things really sit side by side.
The full understanding
of a person's humanness
lets both
compassion and anger in side by side?
Yeah. Yeah. That was the experience that I
had at least. And I remember talking with
my teacher. I had an incredible
teacher
whom I loved very much, and
he guided me to places of anger that
I had not felt before. And I kept
saying that this wasn't their fault and
making those apologies and excuses for them. And
he kept saying, but this still impacted you.
Like, this is still the experience you had,
and these are still the feelings that you're
feeling. And it was only once I allowed
myself to truly feel those things that I
felt a new level of love for them.
It's so good, Liz. It's it's only once
I allowed myself the anger and to really
feel and express that anger that I could
then let love in for them. And what
was that process like of really having compassion
and love for your parents?
It was really special. It it's so interesting
because I've not
gotten to
just sit and reflect on on the love
that I've had for my parents in my
adult life. I feel like in real life,
the relationship is so much more complicated.
And they're like, oh, I love you, but
then they say something that's really annoying. You're
like, why do you have to say that?
I was trying to have a sweet moment
with you. But something about this removed experience
allows you to kind of rewrite those neural
pathways and experience those
emotions free of context so that when you
go back into context, those pathways are stronger
and you're able to have more of the
experience that you want to have. Well, you
just really talked about
the value of an immersive experience that
even though you have to go back into
the world in which you came from,
there's enough change
that took place
that it
essentially rewired some neural pathways
so much so that when you do go
back in,
things are different
for you. Yeah. There's incredible research behind this.
I had a doctor Alissa Epel on my
podcast, and she's one of the world's foremost
experts on stress.
And she said that doing a retreat like
experience, an immersive experience can decrease stress levels
for up to a year afterward and even
longer potentially. And so she really recommends these
microbursts
of deep immersive experiences, and I'm a huge,
huge fan of them. Microbursts.
Fantastic.
So as the week goes on and we
move away from parents, what do you notice
about the rest of your experience at Hoffman?
How
fun it was. Like, I know I keep
coming back to that, but I I just
was so nervous going in. And even in
talking about it post
facto, I'm trying not to make it seem
like it was this really intense hard process
with my friends and my family. They're like,
oh, you went to, like, therapy camp? Like,
what was that? I'm like, it definitely is
hard, like I said, but it's it was
truly one of the best weeks of my
entire life, and that's what I remember it
as. I remember
and I'm grateful for everything that I learned.
But even if I had learned literally nothing,
I would do it just because I had
such a joyful experience. For me,
being able to connect with my
peers, with the other people doing the process
with me was so special. Getting to hear
their stories,
having all of these bullshit free conversations.
The process gives you permission basically to go
up to somebody at lunch and not even
permission. I think there's a point where the
teachers really tell you, like, we're all here
to do work. You don't need to go
up to somebody and talk about the weather.
You can go up to them and ask
why they're here, what their trauma is about,
what was their relationship like with their parents
and that permission giving is
so special and so beautiful and just led
to these incredible
connections.
And that was a really, like, incredible part
of the process for me. And then, like
I said, my teacher just
made me feel so safe and
that was incredible. The food, have people talked
about the food on this podcast?
I we we interviewed the
owner of the restaurant that we partner with.
That was many years ago. So what happened
for you with the culinary experience of Hoffman?
The food was incredible. It was so nourishing,
and you're so I keep saying you're, and
I'm flashing back to no. I was.
I was very hungry all of the time
because I was processing so much, and the
food was just the most delicious food. I
still think about the cookies and there was,
like, lemonade type drink and the chicken. I'm
just like, that I'd go back just for
the the food alone.
Oh, that's great to hear. I mean, this,
I'm I'm appreciating it through your eyes, the
breaking
of bread together around the table
of delicious food
talking about
deeply personal things. It sounds like that combination
worked well for you.
It worked really well for me. And
I think highlighted
how much in my modern life, at least,
I've become divorced from a lot of those
those very basic tenants of human happiness, the
sharing of
conversations
that are really deep on a regular basis,
the connecting over food and other simple things,
The living one's life togetherness
of Hoffman is really lovely that you're brushing
your teeth next to somebody. You're spending the
whole day together. You're doing this work together.
It really gives a sense of we're all
in this together in a way that my
modern life does not. And it made my
modern life feel
quite lonely in comparison.
I'm I'm so glad you brought this up,
Liz, because it does feel like the
the as you said, the basic
tenants
of what it means to be a human
and happy.
And it feels like part of the process
isn't all that special. It's just returning
helping people return
to what it means to be connected and
belong
and a part of something.
I'm curious about what you hear from your
audiences, your listeners, the in the book tour,
because it's one of the things I see
in
people who's who come to the process. One
of the things I've witnessed in the world
is increasing
isolation,
increasing
silo
experiences of people who are more and more
disconnected.
A 100%. And I think that's due to
so many things. It's due to the
veneration of the single family home, which just
isolates us from people we could be living
with and living our lives with on a
day to day basis. I think social media
makes us feel like we're connecting, but it's
actually having
the exact opposite effect. It's making us feel
isolated. It's making us compare.
It's also hijacking our attention on a dopamine
level and making us not wanna go do
the things that actually make us feel really,
really good. So, yeah, I think we're in
a epidemic of loneliness.
And I also think that people are burnt
out and they're tired and
they
don't feel
like what they're doing is working, but they
don't know how to fix it. And that's
one of the things I like about Ophman
is it's sort of like a
throw all of the spaghetti at the wall
approach and some of it's gonna stick. And
and I think that can be really helpful
in a time where you're like, I don't
know
what I want to change, but I know
something needs to change because I cannot keep
living like this. There are the throw the
spaghetti at the wall metaphor. There are a
lot of
different
ways we come at healing, aren't there? There's
a lot of different
modalities we kinda touch in the experiences we
offer students.
Yes. There are. And I didn't keep all
of them, but I got so many
life changing ones out of it that even
without a 100%
sticking,
I feel very happy. That's great to hear.
So so you you come out, you
listen to the podcast, the Hoffman podcast as
a way of integrating and
holding on to some of the experience and
keeping away from
your phone and some of the distractions.
And then
you go back to your life professionally,
personally, you do a Hoffman podcast.
What would you title the podcast you did
about Hoffman? I think it was just like
the 10 biggest lessons that I learned in
the Hoffman process and or something it was
something like that. But I really wanted to
share
my personal experience because I was also trying
to be cognizant of not giving away too
much. I think they say on the last
day, they're like, it's not a secret. It's
not a cult,
but there is a real magic in not
knowing what's coming next as the experience is
unfolding, and we would appreciate if you wanna
spoil that magic for other people. So I
really wanted to focus on my lessons and
my experience and also takeaways that you didn't
need to go to the process to benefit
from those takeaways that I had. And so
how was it received? I imagine you've had
some people
go to the process as a result of
listening.
I have. You write a note to whoever
you hear about the process from on the
last day of the process, and it's a
really emotional day. I, like, cried all day
long. I'm sure the person who got my
note was like, why is the snow soggy
and unreadable?
But I've been lucky enough to be on
the receiving end of a few of those,
and it's been
really,
really just
so so special.
You know, this podcast is called
Love's Everyday Radius.
And
we use the term Everyday Radius because
it's the expansion
of love as a result of
being a grad of the process. So I'm
curious, how
has your experience
acted as a kind of expanding
radius?
How
has your life changed as a result of
it personally, professionally? What do you notice on
this side?
There are so many ways that my life
has changed as a result of the process
that it's almost hard to, like, encapsulate in
towards. But I I alluded to this earlier.
My entire relationship with my job has changed
completely.
Coming off of the book tour and you
have all these people talking about how many
people bought it every week and making you
feel like a failure even if you're on
all these bestseller lists because you could be
higher on the list, you could be on
other lists, all these different things. And I'd
really
grown disconnected a little bit from the reason
that
I started doing my work, which was the
immense privilege of helping people
solve their problems and and figure out how
to change their lives and feel better
in their lives on a day to day
basis. And I credit the process
completely for changing that relationship and making me
feel instead of burdened by, oh, I have
to do all these social media posts, and
I'm feeling really burnt out and tired. It
made me see how lucky I was that
I had built this audience, that I had
these platforms, that I had the ability to
talk to these experts and doctors and all
these people that I get to interview, and
that I got to
help people change their lives. And now I
really feel so, so grateful for that job
every single day, and I credit the process
hugely for that.
And then outside of that, my relationship with
both of my parents has improved.
My relationship with my husband, I'm able to
catch myself when I'm
falling into patterns that aren't serving me, that
aren't serving our relationship, and he's noticed that
as well.
And I think I'm gentler with myself. I
think I'm more loving toward myself.
And I am prioritizing incorporating a lot more
fun in my life because my reaction to
the fun and the joy and the childlike
wonder of the process was
eye opening. I was, like,
thirsty, and it was a big drink of
water. And I was like, I need to
hydrate more on a regular basis.
And you didn't even know you were thirsty
in the first place?
I had no idea.
It's funny that
you have an experience of something.
It's so powerful.
And as you look back, you realize you
didn't even know you needed the thing you
got.
I think particularly
play and fun are things that so
many of us need, but we're
taught
in subtle and overt ways throughout our lives.
That those are not the things that we
should be prioritizing, that that's not what matters
to a successful
adult life.
And the process
reawakened the part of me that was like,
no. No. This is critical. This is as
critical
as eating nutrient dense food
and being productive and paying your bills. Like,
awakening this childlike sense of wonder and play
is a core part of your
humanity, and you need to prioritize it. And
if you're connected to the core part of
your humanity,
you have more energy, more vitality
to show up in your life personally, professionally.
A 100%. And also also,
like, why are we here? I do sometimes
find myself doing this because I
share so many personal growth tips. I share
so many wellness tips. I'm like, oh, you
can, like, fix this. Here's a science backed
solution for this. And then you can be
more productive, and then you can be more
successful. And it's also like, but then you
can just enjoy your day more because you're
never going to get to have this day
again.
Yeah. That's pretty I'm pausing because it's like,
it's a radical idea to do something, not
just because it makes you more successful, productive,
etcetera,
but that you're just a happier being as
a result of it. It's really
the journey is the destination thinking, which I
think we've all heard that. And we've been
like, yeah. Yeah. The journey is the destination,
whatever. But when I get this, when I
get this partner, when I get this job,
when I get this promotion,
I will be happy.
And I've been lucky enough to have so
many of those experiences in my life and
realize that's
not the thing that makes me happy or
it does, but just for this fleeting fleeting
second. So I think I came into Hoffman
saying, well, if it's not any of these
things, what is the thing that makes me
happy?
And a huge part of the unlock of
that is it's the
moments that make up your life. Those are
the moments. Those are the opportunities we have
to
fight for and play for and
have deep connections for the the joy that
is available.
Fantastic, Liz.
What's it like to have these people
follow you and listen to you? And you're
doing all this work
to bring
insights and
science backed
tips.
And
it's a it's an important position you're in
helping people
show up to their lives. Isn't it? I
feel really lucky that I get to do
it. I mean, it feels like a fit
for me in terms of a job just
because I feel like my curiosity has always
been my superpower.
And the fact that I have a job
where I get to follow that curiosity to
the benefit of people is really just a
joy and feels
unbelievable to me to this day. But, yeah,
it just it feels like huge honor when
people
come up to me or send me messages
about
things they've learned from me that have changed
how they think or how they interact with
their partner or their kids or their friends,
and they've noticed
a difference from that. It feels really special,
and I feel really honored to get to
play a teeny tiny role in their lives.
And what do you think people are needing
now? What are you hearing with your ear
to the ground as you engage in this
conversation
with your listeners?
What do you notice? Is and is it
changing? Have you are you hearing different things
now than you did a few years ago?
Oh, that's a great question. I think
connection, which we've touched on, but I do
think people are needing
connection
more than they ever have before. I think
people are needing
joy. I think people are needing time.
I think a lot of people just feel
really burnt out and, like, the demands placed
on their time are untenable.
The dreams they were promised aren't available to
them. We just did an episode about the
millennial midlife crisis,
and it was really interesting to explore.
There's a lot of people who are feeling
let down by the fact that they were
told their whole lives, if you get this
job,
you can have the home, you can have
the partner, you can have all these things,
and they're they're not able to get the
things they feel they were promised, and they're
having to reevaluate
what
a good life looks like in light of
that. Let down by society on some level.
Let down by
the possibilities
of the moment, I think. And,
yeah, what's what's available versus what was available
in previous generations. I think those tricky and,
obviously, every generation has their own struggle, but
there is a real sense right now of,
oh, I did everything right.
And yet I still feel awful every day,
yet I still can't make my life
have the shape and the feeling and the
energy that I would like it to. Liz,
you just mentioned the millennial midlife crisis.
I'm curious
as a fellow host.
Do you have a podcast? Do you have
an episode you look back on and you're
like, man, that was a good one. I
like that was fun. That conversation is
we were rolling there as you look back.
So I love that one. That's that's with
doctor Lauren Cook, and she is a psychologist
that specializes in
generational differences with mental health. And so we
talk about the millennial menlife crisis and what
we can do about the unique problems that
people are facing these days.
I have so many. I I I love
so many of these conversations. I did one
with doctor James Doty recently
about the he's a neuroscientist from Stanford,
and he shares the neuroscience behind manifestation
and how we actually can
use our brains to shift our lives in
these very concrete ways. And I love that
one because it took something that sometimes people
conceptually are a little bit,
like, is that real? I don't know. That
feels a little fishy to me. And he
grounded it in this really deep
physical understanding of how our brains work. And
back to the manifestation thing, knowing what you
want is so important for getting what you
want. And so I think that an incredibly
valuable skill that we
sometimes
don't talk about enough
is really getting clarity about well, okay. Stuff
doesn't feel good in your life right now.
What does a good morning feel like? What
does a great relationship feel like? And not
just, oh, well, you know, he's 63.
He has a great job. It pays this
much money. No. Like, what does it feel
like when you wake up in bed next
to a partner
that is your dream partner? What does your
Saturday feel like? And being able to
verbalize,
vocalize, put pen to paper, and these things
is so important for actually being able to
pursue those goals, whether it's with your friendships,
your relationships,
your personal health, how you wanna feel every
day, your work, all of the above.
Clarity.
The importance
of clarity.
A 100%. And there's so many
parts of Hoffman, I think, that are designed
to help get you that clarity, which is
also incredibly helpful. Well, Liz, what's it been
like to
reflect on the work you do and
the
episodes that you've produced over the years, but
also
your own Hoffman process experience. What do you
notice at the end of this conversation?
I love
connecting
with
you about this with anybody. It feels like
getting to talk about it feels like it
reignites some of those feelings that I got
to have during it. And, again, I just
I just I know I I sound like
a broken record, but it was just one
of the most wonderful weeks of my life.
In the weekend, the reintegration weekend afterward, I
spent
many of us hung out because we all
were kind of in the same area, and
so we all were meeting up and
talking about things. And it just it feels
like these little
connections back to a really special time. And
so I appreciate you creating the space to
help bring me back to that a little
bit. Liz, I am so grateful for this
conversation, this wonderful back and forth. Thank you
so much.
Thank you so much for having me.
Thank you for listening to our podcast. My
name is Liza Ingrassi. I'm the CEO and
president of Hoffman Institute Foundation.
And I'm Razzi Ingrassi,
Hoffman teacher and founder of the Hoffman Institute
Foundation.
Our mission is to provide people greater access
to the wisdom and power of love. In
themselves, in each other, and in the world.
To find out more, please go to hompaninstitute.org.