1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,520 Welcome back to The Automation Podcast, the world's 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,639 number one industrial automation product and technology show, 3 00:00:06,639 --> 00:00:07,700 thanks to you, 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,900 our audience of highly skilled automation professionals. 5 00:00:11,279 --> 00:00:12,480 Now if you're new to the show, my 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,445 name is Sean Tierney from Insights, and I 7 00:00:14,445 --> 00:00:16,445 wanna thank you and all of our audience 8 00:00:16,445 --> 00:00:18,844 for tuning back in this week. And this 9 00:00:18,844 --> 00:00:20,364 week on the show, I have an awesome 10 00:00:20,364 --> 00:00:22,304 interview I did with Kareem 11 00:00:22,765 --> 00:00:25,964 Cosman from Schneider Electric. I actually rerecorded this 12 00:00:25,964 --> 00:00:28,079 interview at the Innovation Summit a couple of 13 00:00:28,079 --> 00:00:29,760 months ago, and so I think you guys 14 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,179 will really enjoy this. And, you know, Kareem 15 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,200 is a controls engineer who works with motion 16 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,200 and PLCs and all kinds of high stakes 17 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,520 the high-tech stuff. The high-tech stuff we talk 18 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,295 about all the time on the show. But 19 00:00:41,454 --> 00:00:42,494 before we get to that, we got a 20 00:00:42,494 --> 00:00:44,414 couple of quick announcements. The first is we 21 00:00:44,414 --> 00:00:47,074 wanna thank Schneider Electric for sponsoring this episode 22 00:00:47,375 --> 00:00:49,454 so we could release it ad free across 23 00:00:49,454 --> 00:00:50,274 all platforms. 24 00:00:50,894 --> 00:00:52,494 We really appreciate what vendors, 25 00:00:52,894 --> 00:00:55,454 sponsor our content and coverage of their products 26 00:00:55,454 --> 00:00:58,049 and shows as it helps underwrite our course 27 00:00:58,049 --> 00:01:00,049 and allows us to keep bringing you new 28 00:01:00,049 --> 00:01:02,530 content. Now the second announcement is from the 29 00:01:02,530 --> 00:01:05,170 good folks over at the Automation Museum. This 30 00:01:05,170 --> 00:01:07,329 is a public service announcement. They wanted us 31 00:01:07,329 --> 00:01:08,930 to let you know that they have just 32 00:01:08,930 --> 00:01:09,430 released 33 00:01:10,084 --> 00:01:12,504 their latest episode of the History of Automation 34 00:01:13,045 --> 00:01:13,784 on YouTube. 35 00:01:14,245 --> 00:01:16,165 And this is the episode in which or 36 00:01:16,165 --> 00:01:18,165 the first of two episodes in which the 37 00:01:18,165 --> 00:01:20,805 team interviews one of the people who actually 38 00:01:20,805 --> 00:01:22,665 worked on developing, creating 39 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:26,159 the original many consider the original PLC, the 40 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:27,780 Modicon o 84. 41 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,439 And as someone who was on the interview 42 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:30,959 team, I gotta say, I really think you 43 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,099 guys will enjoy this. 44 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,020 We interviewed Chuck Schallberg, 45 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,640 and, he did the software or the what 46 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,099 we'd call today, the firmware 47 00:01:38,625 --> 00:01:40,704 for the Modicon o 84, and he just 48 00:01:40,704 --> 00:01:43,265 shares so much information about that. It was 49 00:01:43,265 --> 00:01:44,704 great to look back and see how it 50 00:01:44,704 --> 00:01:46,865 all got started. So in any case, check 51 00:01:46,865 --> 00:01:51,344 that out over at youtube.com/@automationmuseum. 52 00:01:51,344 --> 00:01:54,069 That is episode seven. Episode eight will release 53 00:01:54,069 --> 00:01:56,150 next Monday. So with that said, let's go 54 00:01:56,150 --> 00:01:58,150 ahead and jump into this week's episode in 55 00:01:58,150 --> 00:01:59,129 which I interview 56 00:01:59,510 --> 00:02:01,769 Kareem Cosman from Schneider Electric. 57 00:02:02,150 --> 00:02:04,549 Kareem, thank you for coming on the show. 58 00:02:04,549 --> 00:02:06,310 It's so great. We've already talked so much 59 00:02:06,310 --> 00:02:07,670 on the plant floor on the show floor. 60 00:02:07,670 --> 00:02:09,584 I'm just plant floor. On the show floor. 61 00:02:09,724 --> 00:02:11,564 So, hey. Thank you for agreeing to this 62 00:02:11,564 --> 00:02:13,965 interview. I'm excited to talk about, you know, 63 00:02:13,965 --> 00:02:16,544 the questions we, kinda rehearse beforehand 64 00:02:17,004 --> 00:02:19,164 and also this awesome piece of equipment you 65 00:02:19,164 --> 00:02:20,844 were telling me about on the show floor. 66 00:02:20,844 --> 00:02:22,444 But before we get to that, since this 67 00:02:22,444 --> 00:02:24,305 is your first time on the show, 68 00:02:25,060 --> 00:02:27,460 can you introduce yourself to our audience? Tell 69 00:02:27,460 --> 00:02:29,460 them a little bit about, like, you know, 70 00:02:29,460 --> 00:02:31,460 what your background is and, you know, what 71 00:02:31,460 --> 00:02:34,260 your job is today. Okay. First of all, 72 00:02:34,260 --> 00:02:35,960 thank you for having me on the show. 73 00:02:36,580 --> 00:02:37,960 My name is Kareem Cosman. 74 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:40,020 The first thing, I am a fan of 75 00:02:40,020 --> 00:02:42,145 the show. So I follow the show very 76 00:02:42,145 --> 00:02:44,705 closely, and I advise everybody who wants to 77 00:02:44,705 --> 00:02:46,564 learn about automation to just 78 00:02:47,905 --> 00:02:50,245 to just follow you, to understand the history, 79 00:02:50,384 --> 00:02:52,705 where we where we we are and what 80 00:02:52,705 --> 00:02:54,645 we're doing right now and what's the future. 81 00:02:54,770 --> 00:02:56,610 Because without history, we don't know what's going 82 00:02:56,610 --> 00:02:57,110 on. 83 00:02:58,930 --> 00:03:01,830 The second thing, I am an electrical engineer, 84 00:03:02,449 --> 00:03:05,270 with a degree. I'm also a project manager 85 00:03:05,330 --> 00:03:07,409 with a with a certification and a scrum 86 00:03:07,409 --> 00:03:07,909 master, 87 00:03:09,064 --> 00:03:10,364 from Safe Agile. 88 00:03:11,704 --> 00:03:14,764 And I'm currently doing as an offer manager 89 00:03:14,824 --> 00:03:16,044 in Schneider Electric, 90 00:03:16,584 --> 00:03:17,884 for machine solutions, 91 00:03:18,185 --> 00:03:19,245 motion, robotics, 92 00:03:19,944 --> 00:03:20,444 HVAC, 93 00:03:21,064 --> 00:03:21,805 and pumping. 94 00:03:22,580 --> 00:03:23,400 And what does an offer 95 00:03:24,099 --> 00:03:25,080 manager do? 96 00:03:26,580 --> 00:03:29,620 So the offer manager, it's different a little 97 00:03:29,620 --> 00:03:31,719 bit different than a product manager. 98 00:03:32,099 --> 00:03:33,560 The offer manager looks, 99 00:03:33,860 --> 00:03:34,360 to 100 00:03:34,979 --> 00:03:37,060 the products of the of a company or 101 00:03:37,060 --> 00:03:37,719 the solutions 102 00:03:38,474 --> 00:03:38,974 from 103 00:03:39,514 --> 00:03:40,254 two perspectives, 104 00:03:40,555 --> 00:03:43,594 the technical perspective, how the customers look at 105 00:03:43,594 --> 00:03:45,674 it, not how the com company looks at 106 00:03:45,674 --> 00:03:48,574 it, how the customers benefit from the features 107 00:03:48,715 --> 00:03:49,114 and, 108 00:03:49,995 --> 00:03:50,495 specifications 109 00:03:50,875 --> 00:03:53,159 and how the market reacts towards that, 110 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,400 especially if it is something new coming to 111 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,400 the market and the commercial side of it. 112 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,180 So all the go to market strategies, 113 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:00,780 all the marketing, 114 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:02,219 campaigns, 115 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,219 all the market analysis and numbers and 116 00:04:06,794 --> 00:04:09,514 requirements of, you know, how to increase your 117 00:04:09,514 --> 00:04:10,814 sales, how to, 118 00:04:11,754 --> 00:04:13,454 create promotions, how to, 119 00:04:14,314 --> 00:04:16,954 control the pricing, and so on. That's very 120 00:04:16,954 --> 00:04:17,454 interesting. 121 00:04:17,995 --> 00:04:20,875 And you have that electric, electrical engineering background. 122 00:04:20,875 --> 00:04:23,210 You get your history, which is which is, 123 00:04:23,589 --> 00:04:24,069 pretty, 124 00:04:24,470 --> 00:04:24,970 quite, 125 00:04:25,910 --> 00:04:26,889 filled out there. 126 00:04:27,430 --> 00:04:29,110 And you've been with Schneider for how long 127 00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:29,610 now? 128 00:04:29,990 --> 00:04:32,710 So I have started being an automation engineer 129 00:04:32,710 --> 00:04:34,009 in 2008. 130 00:04:35,074 --> 00:04:37,074 Yeah. So quite a way. And then I 131 00:04:37,074 --> 00:04:38,134 was with Infenses, 132 00:04:38,435 --> 00:04:41,014 happened, to be acquired with Schneider. 133 00:04:41,475 --> 00:04:44,055 And I was really, lucky to be within, 134 00:04:44,595 --> 00:04:45,095 customers 135 00:04:46,035 --> 00:04:48,595 at the delivery section in the big oil 136 00:04:48,595 --> 00:04:51,079 wells, big, oil rigs in the middle of 137 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:51,579 nowhere, 138 00:04:52,199 --> 00:04:54,279 and also with all the r and d 139 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,379 teams for, either the DCS, 140 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,219 Foxborough, Triconics, 141 00:04:59,719 --> 00:05:03,159 energy management for motion control and now with 142 00:05:03,159 --> 00:05:04,694 industrial automation. So, 143 00:05:05,735 --> 00:05:09,254 I kind of captured between customer requirements, r 144 00:05:09,254 --> 00:05:10,074 and d requirements, 145 00:05:10,455 --> 00:05:13,335 and problems, and also the market strategies, sales 146 00:05:13,335 --> 00:05:13,835 strategies. 147 00:05:14,214 --> 00:05:16,375 And I love being within automation. I don't 148 00:05:16,375 --> 00:05:18,455 like to be away from automation for the 149 00:05:18,455 --> 00:05:20,460 rest of my life. Yeah. Well, I and 150 00:05:20,460 --> 00:05:22,939 I me too. And I probably should say 151 00:05:22,939 --> 00:05:24,939 Gary says hi. So I wanna make he's 152 00:05:24,939 --> 00:05:26,379 a cohost of one of the shows I 153 00:05:26,379 --> 00:05:27,980 do. So I know you guys know each 154 00:05:27,980 --> 00:05:30,779 other. And, you know, I I wanted to 155 00:05:30,779 --> 00:05:31,759 talk to you about 156 00:05:32,435 --> 00:05:33,254 your observations. 157 00:05:33,794 --> 00:05:34,294 Right? 158 00:05:34,995 --> 00:05:36,995 You know, what challenges are you seeing out 159 00:05:36,995 --> 00:05:38,375 there these days? Like, 160 00:05:38,754 --> 00:05:41,074 from all the customers you're interacting and all 161 00:05:41,074 --> 00:05:43,634 the product people you're interacting with, what are 162 00:05:43,634 --> 00:05:44,935 some of the 163 00:05:46,180 --> 00:05:48,259 challenges that you are seeing out there that 164 00:05:48,259 --> 00:05:49,639 are facing our industry 165 00:05:49,939 --> 00:05:50,439 today? 166 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:56,819 So our customers are basically we divide them 167 00:05:56,819 --> 00:05:58,040 into three sections, 168 00:05:58,899 --> 00:05:59,399 distributors, 169 00:06:00,475 --> 00:06:01,774 OEM machine builders, 170 00:06:02,154 --> 00:06:03,214 and end users. 171 00:06:05,194 --> 00:06:08,495 All of them are bound by system integrators 172 00:06:08,555 --> 00:06:09,694 or control engineers. 173 00:06:10,714 --> 00:06:11,214 So 174 00:06:11,514 --> 00:06:14,060 the system integrator is the backbone 175 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:14,759 of, 176 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,960 linking what the distributor have, what the OEM 177 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,480 can work on and build, and what the 178 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,240 end users will need in the end of 179 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,580 the story so for a product to work. 180 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:27,240 We serve these four sections equally or with 181 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,220 different strategies, 182 00:06:29,395 --> 00:06:33,074 but the most challenge I see is currently 183 00:06:33,074 --> 00:06:36,214 with the system integrators or the control engineers. 184 00:06:37,955 --> 00:06:38,935 And that's because, 185 00:06:39,714 --> 00:06:42,375 couple of years ago and before COVID, 186 00:06:42,959 --> 00:06:43,920 we had this, 187 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:44,980 new, 188 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,579 terminology. We called it industry four point o. 189 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,360 Industry four point o came with a very 190 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,379 big promise of connecting 191 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:57,485 or creating a terminology called IoT or Internet 192 00:06:57,485 --> 00:06:58,144 of Things, 193 00:06:58,685 --> 00:07:01,644 which is now becoming IT slash OT. And, 194 00:07:01,964 --> 00:07:04,685 I didn't mean to just, give terminologies as 195 00:07:04,685 --> 00:07:06,704 much as it is really separated. 196 00:07:07,404 --> 00:07:08,544 The control engineers 197 00:07:08,925 --> 00:07:09,824 had to, 198 00:07:10,870 --> 00:07:12,329 rocket speed learn 199 00:07:13,509 --> 00:07:14,009 IT 200 00:07:14,550 --> 00:07:16,889 to be IT engineers as well 201 00:07:17,269 --> 00:07:19,610 as OT to do the control on the 202 00:07:19,910 --> 00:07:22,470 floor plan and the and the and the 203 00:07:22,470 --> 00:07:25,295 facilities out there and the conveyors and the 204 00:07:25,295 --> 00:07:26,435 the pumps over there. 205 00:07:27,055 --> 00:07:28,995 So the knowledge of the process 206 00:07:29,615 --> 00:07:32,014 became not enough, and they need to learn 207 00:07:32,014 --> 00:07:32,514 more 208 00:07:33,134 --> 00:07:35,214 since they go into a field and the 209 00:07:35,214 --> 00:07:35,955 end user, 210 00:07:36,415 --> 00:07:38,895 deal with them as they know how to 211 00:07:38,895 --> 00:07:39,714 launch a rocket 212 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,199 for a mission on Mars and then how 213 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:44,360 to extract minerals from the middle of the 214 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:47,339 from the bottom of the Earth. So 215 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,759 they had to embark on this journey, which 216 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:53,915 was too tough because there were no enough 217 00:07:53,915 --> 00:07:57,274 technology to support them back before COVID. And 218 00:07:57,274 --> 00:07:58,895 then when COVID hit, it became 219 00:07:59,274 --> 00:08:00,014 a necessity. 220 00:08:01,675 --> 00:08:03,935 And then we discovered later also that, 221 00:08:04,475 --> 00:08:06,314 our talents and our newer, 222 00:08:06,714 --> 00:08:08,939 kids out of school, our newer students out 223 00:08:08,939 --> 00:08:10,319 of technical colleges, 224 00:08:10,699 --> 00:08:12,540 they are not really so interested in control 225 00:08:12,540 --> 00:08:13,040 engineering, 226 00:08:14,139 --> 00:08:16,779 which created another gap for control engineers need 227 00:08:16,779 --> 00:08:18,379 to learn, and they need also to fill 228 00:08:18,379 --> 00:08:19,519 in the gaps. 229 00:08:22,064 --> 00:08:23,685 And, yeah, I really, 230 00:08:24,144 --> 00:08:26,305 see the suffer that they are in. I 231 00:08:26,305 --> 00:08:28,704 really see the need that they need always 232 00:08:28,704 --> 00:08:31,985 training, and training means also waste of of 233 00:08:31,985 --> 00:08:34,404 resources and especially time. 234 00:08:36,009 --> 00:08:37,710 The other thing is the emerging 235 00:08:38,570 --> 00:08:41,529 technologies that's nonstop right now. So you can 236 00:08:41,529 --> 00:08:44,410 see now in our, innovation summit, we have 237 00:08:44,410 --> 00:08:47,389 a big room just for technology, newer technologies, 238 00:08:47,529 --> 00:08:49,230 not the existing ones at all, 239 00:08:49,644 --> 00:08:52,524 and probably also other vendors doing the same 240 00:08:52,524 --> 00:08:54,784 thing today. That's why we can, 241 00:08:56,445 --> 00:08:58,125 be in a very big venues and fill 242 00:08:58,125 --> 00:08:59,804 it with too many products because there are 243 00:08:59,804 --> 00:09:02,220 too many things coming out. And my gosh, 244 00:09:02,220 --> 00:09:04,620 like, should I know all these together as 245 00:09:04,620 --> 00:09:06,159 a control engineer? Definitely. 246 00:09:06,940 --> 00:09:09,500 That is too hard, especially all the students 247 00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:10,639 like to know Python, 248 00:09:11,820 --> 00:09:12,320 JSON, 249 00:09:12,779 --> 00:09:15,179 the visual c, but no. Don't don't give 250 00:09:15,179 --> 00:09:16,940 me letter diagrams or a PLC. I don't 251 00:09:16,940 --> 00:09:17,475 wanna do 252 00:09:18,754 --> 00:09:20,754 this. So it is a bit a bit 253 00:09:20,754 --> 00:09:23,154 challenging today in the market, and, 254 00:09:24,995 --> 00:09:27,315 we need to have tools, better tools. With 255 00:09:27,315 --> 00:09:30,034 the emerging of artificial intelligence, our r and 256 00:09:30,034 --> 00:09:30,534 d 257 00:09:30,980 --> 00:09:34,360 are required to provide more facilitation for 258 00:09:34,740 --> 00:09:35,879 our control engineers 259 00:09:36,659 --> 00:09:38,659 to make their life easier on the OT 260 00:09:38,659 --> 00:09:40,659 and help them to know IT. You know, 261 00:09:40,659 --> 00:09:42,579 I think that's so true. There's so many 262 00:09:42,579 --> 00:09:44,980 things that the control engineer today has to 263 00:09:44,980 --> 00:09:45,480 learn 264 00:09:46,514 --> 00:09:47,014 that 265 00:09:47,475 --> 00:09:50,194 really wasn't part of their job back in 266 00:09:50,194 --> 00:09:52,674 the day. I remember having to explain to 267 00:09:52,674 --> 00:09:55,954 control engineers what IGMP snooping and querying was. 268 00:09:55,954 --> 00:09:56,454 Right? 269 00:09:56,914 --> 00:09:58,995 And that was painful and, for all of 270 00:09:58,995 --> 00:10:01,470 us. And, today, now they have to a 271 00:10:01,470 --> 00:10:02,590 lot of times, they have to get that 272 00:10:02,590 --> 00:10:04,669 command line interface out. They have to connect 273 00:10:04,669 --> 00:10:06,429 in. They have to be an expert on 274 00:10:06,429 --> 00:10:08,110 switches. They have to be an expert on 275 00:10:08,110 --> 00:10:10,429 VPNs. They gotta be an expert on firewalls. 276 00:10:10,429 --> 00:10:13,250 It's it is really difficult for 277 00:10:13,725 --> 00:10:16,524 today's engineer, and they're usually handling more than 278 00:10:16,524 --> 00:10:18,225 they did ten years ago because 279 00:10:18,764 --> 00:10:20,304 a lot of their older colleagues 280 00:10:21,004 --> 00:10:23,404 have just said I'm retiring. It's like, you 281 00:10:23,404 --> 00:10:25,084 know, a lot of people have worked into 282 00:10:25,084 --> 00:10:27,964 that retirement age prior to COVID, and when 283 00:10:27,964 --> 00:10:30,009 COVID hit, they're like, you mean I gotta 284 00:10:30,009 --> 00:10:31,850 put on three masks to go to work? 285 00:10:31,850 --> 00:10:33,450 I have to go and retire. This is 286 00:10:33,450 --> 00:10:35,529 that reason I've been waiting for. Right? And 287 00:10:35,529 --> 00:10:37,129 so I know so many people who did 288 00:10:37,129 --> 00:10:39,690 that, and that just puts a burden. And 289 00:10:39,690 --> 00:10:41,769 like you said, the younger kids that that 290 00:10:41,769 --> 00:10:43,210 the and I have two teenage, 291 00:10:43,529 --> 00:10:44,029 grandchildren. 292 00:10:45,335 --> 00:10:46,315 Their interest 293 00:10:47,014 --> 00:10:47,835 is not 294 00:10:48,455 --> 00:10:49,995 in legacy technology. 295 00:10:50,295 --> 00:10:52,934 Right? Just like a lot of people going 296 00:10:52,934 --> 00:10:55,335 into, you know, who wanna work on cars 297 00:10:55,335 --> 00:10:57,175 today, wanna work on electric cars. They don't 298 00:10:57,175 --> 00:10:59,779 wanna work on the the old stuff that 299 00:10:59,779 --> 00:11:01,540 there's already a bunch of people that already 300 00:11:01,540 --> 00:11:03,879 know that. Right? And so it's very understandable, 301 00:11:04,259 --> 00:11:05,639 but this is an exciting 302 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:07,620 this isn't a I think it's a very 303 00:11:07,620 --> 00:11:09,620 exciting industry. And and, you know, when you 304 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:11,379 go out there on the show floor and 305 00:11:11,379 --> 00:11:13,879 you're looking at all the robots and machines 306 00:11:14,554 --> 00:11:17,115 moving and doing things, I mean, it's exciting. 307 00:11:17,115 --> 00:11:19,115 It's exciting to see. You know, I just 308 00:11:19,115 --> 00:11:21,034 take any kid into a potato chip factory 309 00:11:21,034 --> 00:11:23,355 or a bottling plant, and there's just so 310 00:11:23,355 --> 00:11:25,674 much going on, so much moving. Maybe not 311 00:11:25,674 --> 00:11:27,834 as exciting in a paper mill or a 312 00:11:27,834 --> 00:11:30,970 rock quarry, Right? Or on a, oil rig. 313 00:11:30,970 --> 00:11:33,050 But, in any case, I still think that, 314 00:11:33,210 --> 00:11:34,570 there are a lot of makers out there 315 00:11:34,570 --> 00:11:35,309 who wanna 316 00:11:35,610 --> 00:11:37,529 make on a real scale, not just in 317 00:11:37,529 --> 00:11:39,450 their bedroom making things for their friends and 318 00:11:39,450 --> 00:11:39,950 parents. 319 00:11:40,490 --> 00:11:42,570 So, there's hope for the industry, I think. 320 00:11:42,570 --> 00:11:44,414 And I've had a lot of people say, 321 00:11:44,414 --> 00:11:47,774 you know, JavaScript or or or c sharp 322 00:11:47,774 --> 00:11:50,595 or, you know, Python, that it's gonna replace 323 00:11:50,654 --> 00:11:52,434 six eleven thirty one. And I'm like, 324 00:11:53,294 --> 00:11:53,954 you know, 325 00:11:54,254 --> 00:11:56,269 I I don't think I don't think so 326 00:11:56,269 --> 00:11:57,709 because and and maybe you can give me 327 00:11:57,709 --> 00:11:59,470 your opinion on that because I think we 328 00:11:59,470 --> 00:12:02,190 think the same on this. You know, real 329 00:12:02,190 --> 00:12:04,929 time languages that can be deployed 330 00:12:05,309 --> 00:12:07,730 based on what the application requires, 331 00:12:08,184 --> 00:12:10,345 that can be edited on the fly, can 332 00:12:10,345 --> 00:12:13,404 do online changes or runtime downloads. 333 00:12:14,024 --> 00:12:15,625 You're not gonna get that with a compiled 334 00:12:15,625 --> 00:12:16,125 language, 335 00:12:16,504 --> 00:12:17,004 and 336 00:12:17,384 --> 00:12:20,045 there's just shortcomings in those web based technologies 337 00:12:20,425 --> 00:12:21,404 that don't address 338 00:12:21,820 --> 00:12:25,200 mission critical applications that have to run. Right? 339 00:12:25,339 --> 00:12:27,740 So we I mean, one example is the 340 00:12:27,740 --> 00:12:30,059 people at Facebook locked themselves in and out 341 00:12:30,059 --> 00:12:32,139 of their building a few years ago, and, 342 00:12:32,379 --> 00:12:33,980 nobody could get in and nobody could get 343 00:12:33,980 --> 00:12:35,654 out. And for me, the scariest thing is 344 00:12:35,654 --> 00:12:36,855 not being able to get out of a 345 00:12:36,855 --> 00:12:38,455 building. That's not supposed to be able to 346 00:12:38,455 --> 00:12:40,075 happen. Right? So, 347 00:12:40,774 --> 00:12:42,855 you know, we need systems that could be 348 00:12:42,855 --> 00:12:46,134 modified on the fly, especially mission critical systems 349 00:12:46,134 --> 00:12:48,329 that can can't go down. And so what 350 00:12:48,329 --> 00:12:49,889 are your thoughts on that too? You think 351 00:12:49,889 --> 00:12:52,470 I see six eleven thirty one dash three 352 00:12:52,610 --> 00:12:55,089 has a future? Yeah. Now before we hear 353 00:12:55,089 --> 00:12:57,169 from Kareem on that, I do wanna take 354 00:12:57,169 --> 00:12:59,669 a moment here to thank Schneider Electric 355 00:13:00,105 --> 00:13:02,664 for sponsoring this episode and my trip out 356 00:13:02,664 --> 00:13:05,144 to their innovation summit. Now this may not 357 00:13:05,144 --> 00:13:06,745 be intuitive if you work for a big 358 00:13:06,745 --> 00:13:08,605 corporation, but when you're self employed 359 00:13:08,985 --> 00:13:11,225 as a content creator and instructor like I 360 00:13:11,225 --> 00:13:13,945 am, there's no big corporation behind you that 361 00:13:13,945 --> 00:13:15,870 can foot $34,000 362 00:13:15,870 --> 00:13:17,809 worth of travel expenses 363 00:13:18,190 --> 00:13:20,370 and interview and publishing expenses 364 00:13:20,750 --> 00:13:22,990 to pull these things off. And that's why 365 00:13:22,990 --> 00:13:25,550 we really appreciate vendors like Schneider Electric who 366 00:13:25,550 --> 00:13:27,090 value the content we create 367 00:13:27,584 --> 00:13:29,904 and value the coverage we do on their 368 00:13:29,904 --> 00:13:31,044 products and events 369 00:13:31,424 --> 00:13:34,225 when they, you know, sponsor our episodes and, 370 00:13:34,464 --> 00:13:36,464 you know, set up these interviews. So I 371 00:13:36,464 --> 00:13:37,985 really just wanted to step in here and 372 00:13:37,985 --> 00:13:40,304 really thank our sponsors, all of our sponsors, 373 00:13:40,304 --> 00:13:43,044 including Schneider Electric who sponsored this week's episode 374 00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:44,129 for really, 375 00:13:44,450 --> 00:13:46,450 supporting the work we do here at Insights 376 00:13:46,450 --> 00:13:47,110 and Automation. 377 00:13:47,490 --> 00:13:48,929 And with that said, let's go ahead and 378 00:13:48,929 --> 00:13:51,509 jump back into this week's interview with Karim 379 00:13:51,649 --> 00:13:52,149 Kosman. 380 00:13:52,450 --> 00:13:55,169 Yeah. So first of all, as an advice, 381 00:13:55,169 --> 00:13:57,615 if you wanna convince kids to work on 382 00:13:57,615 --> 00:14:00,014 automation, don't take them to paper mills. It's 383 00:14:00,014 --> 00:14:00,675 the nastiest, 384 00:14:01,055 --> 00:14:04,435 dirtiest, smelliest place on the whole Earth. Okay. 385 00:14:04,495 --> 00:14:06,975 Yeah. And add to this too. The second 386 00:14:06,975 --> 00:14:09,870 thing is the these students today that I 387 00:14:09,870 --> 00:14:12,190 have met more of them on all trade 388 00:14:12,190 --> 00:14:12,690 shows, 389 00:14:13,309 --> 00:14:14,769 they have their own, 390 00:14:15,789 --> 00:14:17,570 data center and AI model 391 00:14:17,950 --> 00:14:20,209 in their backyard, in their garage. 392 00:14:20,589 --> 00:14:22,990 They have already are excelling on these type 393 00:14:22,990 --> 00:14:23,730 of knowledges. 394 00:14:24,715 --> 00:14:26,575 So when you tell them go and 395 00:14:27,274 --> 00:14:29,615 your job is just to control this PLC 396 00:14:29,674 --> 00:14:31,934 and to do a couple of motion and 397 00:14:32,315 --> 00:14:34,894 robotics here and there, it won't be that 398 00:14:35,034 --> 00:14:35,534 interesting. 399 00:14:36,235 --> 00:14:38,809 There has to be some sort of newer 400 00:14:38,809 --> 00:14:40,590 technology that comes to the market 401 00:14:41,529 --> 00:14:44,250 with their gadgets, the gadget that they know, 402 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:45,629 like artificial intelligence, 403 00:14:46,570 --> 00:14:47,070 like, 404 00:14:47,529 --> 00:14:50,269 open software defined automation, something that, 405 00:14:51,210 --> 00:14:52,429 they rely on. 406 00:14:52,835 --> 00:14:55,795 And as we have, launched, or talk we've 407 00:14:55,795 --> 00:14:58,455 been talking about, open software defined automation, 408 00:14:58,915 --> 00:15:01,415 which is basically saying to mister customer, 409 00:15:02,115 --> 00:15:03,014 you can replace 410 00:15:03,394 --> 00:15:06,240 the PLC that is from any vendor that 411 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,580 you probably don't know what are the components 412 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:09,379 of the PLC 413 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,480 with a PC that you know that it 414 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,179 is an Intel based 415 00:15:14,799 --> 00:15:16,100 or NVIDIA GPU. 416 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:19,600 So these are famous. These are very well 417 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,205 known robust. And I think as you have 418 00:15:22,205 --> 00:15:23,664 seen on the shop floor today, 419 00:15:24,445 --> 00:15:27,745 Intel has an in interest into industrial automation, 420 00:15:28,365 --> 00:15:29,985 which makes the excitement 421 00:15:30,605 --> 00:15:34,100 more for our newer talents to jump on 422 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:36,659 this type of industry, to use this power 423 00:15:36,659 --> 00:15:37,399 for resources, 424 00:15:38,019 --> 00:15:41,159 to make our robotics, our conveyor works, 425 00:15:41,460 --> 00:15:43,080 and, to sustain 426 00:15:43,620 --> 00:15:44,120 our, 427 00:15:45,154 --> 00:15:45,654 CPG, 428 00:15:46,035 --> 00:15:46,535 pharmaceuticals. 429 00:15:46,995 --> 00:15:49,575 These industries require this type of knowledge. 430 00:15:50,434 --> 00:15:52,695 But today, we have more power 431 00:15:53,394 --> 00:15:55,315 that we are introducing to the market, and 432 00:15:55,315 --> 00:15:57,894 we are so glad that our newer, 433 00:15:58,514 --> 00:16:00,899 talents are understanding this because it's 434 00:16:01,779 --> 00:16:04,019 still some sort of hard to understand by 435 00:16:04,019 --> 00:16:04,519 the 436 00:16:05,540 --> 00:16:07,480 control engineers like our age 437 00:16:08,420 --> 00:16:09,639 that used to do 438 00:16:10,420 --> 00:16:11,240 letter diagrams 439 00:16:11,620 --> 00:16:14,580 overnight just to make, you know, one, sole 440 00:16:14,580 --> 00:16:17,355 machine work, on a CNC machine or g 441 00:16:17,355 --> 00:16:19,134 code. Oh my god. G code. 442 00:16:20,075 --> 00:16:22,335 So the the the tools 443 00:16:22,715 --> 00:16:26,495 and, and the opportunities that this big manufacturer 444 00:16:26,794 --> 00:16:29,529 starts to do, I meant I I I 445 00:16:29,529 --> 00:16:30,830 mentioned Intel, NVIDIA. 446 00:16:31,210 --> 00:16:34,330 Now, if you go on Copilot and, on 447 00:16:34,330 --> 00:16:36,250 on your chat and ask it to create 448 00:16:36,250 --> 00:16:37,230 logic for you, 449 00:16:37,929 --> 00:16:40,090 it will create the logic and say that 450 00:16:40,090 --> 00:16:42,649 in collaboration with the PLC vendors, we are 451 00:16:42,649 --> 00:16:44,675 doing that right now in a structured text 452 00:16:44,675 --> 00:16:45,175 format. 453 00:16:46,595 --> 00:16:49,235 So all these big tech companies now looking 454 00:16:49,235 --> 00:16:50,054 into industry, 455 00:16:50,434 --> 00:16:52,675 which is, I think, that's the industry now 456 00:16:52,675 --> 00:16:54,595 four point o that we've been talking about. 457 00:16:54,595 --> 00:16:57,210 That is where the IT world takes care 458 00:16:57,210 --> 00:16:59,550 of the OT world. We create one harmony 459 00:16:59,610 --> 00:17:01,769 that we call it IoT, which was really 460 00:17:01,769 --> 00:17:02,590 an understandable 461 00:17:03,210 --> 00:17:05,769 terminology back then. Yeah. And, you know, I 462 00:17:05,769 --> 00:17:07,210 I just feel like I have to throw 463 00:17:07,210 --> 00:17:09,210 caution to people. Right? So we've heard the 464 00:17:09,210 --> 00:17:11,705 horror stories, how somebody plugs their phone into 465 00:17:11,705 --> 00:17:13,305 the charger at the airport, and it gets 466 00:17:13,305 --> 00:17:15,065 hacked because somebody came in or replaced the 467 00:17:15,065 --> 00:17:17,065 charger with a with a, like, a, you 468 00:17:17,065 --> 00:17:19,065 know, an intelligent device that can hack their 469 00:17:19,065 --> 00:17:20,585 phones. And then they bring it to the 470 00:17:20,585 --> 00:17:23,305 plant, and that that's a a vector in 471 00:17:23,305 --> 00:17:25,545 for the viruses and for the ransomware and 472 00:17:25,545 --> 00:17:27,599 whatnot. And so, you know, I think as 473 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:29,840 an industry, we're getting that word out very 474 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,759 well. We're gonna you know, people have to 475 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:34,000 know that every device they have that has 476 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,619 electronics in it, any microprocessor 477 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,039 based device is a vector for, security breach 478 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:40,799 in their facility, and they're gonna be cognizant 479 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:41,174 of 480 00:17:41,735 --> 00:17:43,255 that. The other thing, though, I think is 481 00:17:43,255 --> 00:17:45,115 we're hearing stories we heard a lot, 482 00:17:45,654 --> 00:17:47,595 this week at the show about, you know, 483 00:17:48,455 --> 00:17:49,674 AI is not perfect. 484 00:17:50,055 --> 00:17:53,174 Okay? So we've had stories about lawyers getting 485 00:17:53,174 --> 00:17:56,150 in trouble because they're the the the court 486 00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:59,190 documents they filed were not only not correct, 487 00:17:59,190 --> 00:18:00,890 but they were AI generated 488 00:18:01,190 --> 00:18:02,490 and and bogus. 489 00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:04,789 Right? And and lawyers are getting reprimanded for 490 00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:06,650 that. I mean, we're talking grown adults. 491 00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:07,349 And, 492 00:18:08,474 --> 00:18:10,174 the other thing I think too is 493 00:18:10,555 --> 00:18:12,875 that, we had somebody talking about financial. He 494 00:18:12,875 --> 00:18:15,035 was asking AI for some financial rights, then 495 00:18:15,035 --> 00:18:16,394 they went into their spreadsheet and did it. 496 00:18:16,394 --> 00:18:18,954 And they're like, it didn't work. And then 497 00:18:18,954 --> 00:18:20,315 they asked the AI, hey, 498 00:18:20,875 --> 00:18:22,815 why didn't it work? Is this your story? 499 00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:24,309 Why don't you give me the give me 500 00:18:24,309 --> 00:18:25,909 give us give us the end of that 501 00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:26,970 story? So, 502 00:18:27,829 --> 00:18:30,630 yeah, I was, trying to ask the AI 503 00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:31,669 on a couple of, 504 00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:34,970 shares and with and cryptocurrency 505 00:18:35,589 --> 00:18:37,955 to start working with and how they are, 506 00:18:38,355 --> 00:18:39,975 reflecting with my taxes. 507 00:18:40,595 --> 00:18:43,075 But, unfortunately, I did it on the day 508 00:18:43,075 --> 00:18:43,815 that AWS, 509 00:18:44,835 --> 00:18:46,375 went off the grid, 510 00:18:47,154 --> 00:18:48,855 and I got hilarious 511 00:18:50,035 --> 00:18:52,134 advices, which I thought it was, 512 00:18:53,339 --> 00:18:54,720 kinda risky or crazy 513 00:18:55,099 --> 00:18:57,420 to make me, like, one of the Fortune 514 00:18:57,420 --> 00:18:59,740 500 in a couple of seconds, but this 515 00:18:59,740 --> 00:19:00,559 doesn't work. 516 00:19:01,579 --> 00:19:04,299 But as you said about security, it is 517 00:19:04,460 --> 00:19:06,795 we are living in that world today. If 518 00:19:07,115 --> 00:19:08,955 our main data centers and, 519 00:19:09,994 --> 00:19:11,615 our main suppliers of technology 520 00:19:11,914 --> 00:19:12,575 are down, 521 00:19:13,195 --> 00:19:14,335 we as users 522 00:19:14,795 --> 00:19:16,414 are harmed very much. 523 00:19:16,795 --> 00:19:19,355 My day my kids at day care, I 524 00:19:19,355 --> 00:19:22,154 couldn't know anything about them when AWS went 525 00:19:22,154 --> 00:19:22,619 down. 526 00:19:23,660 --> 00:19:24,559 So energy 527 00:19:25,019 --> 00:19:25,339 and, 528 00:19:25,980 --> 00:19:28,859 sustainability of this energy is a real core 529 00:19:28,859 --> 00:19:30,160 now of our life. 530 00:19:30,940 --> 00:19:33,440 And if we're gonna talk about cybersecurity, 531 00:19:34,460 --> 00:19:37,019 I think we are harmed by too many 532 00:19:37,019 --> 00:19:38,079 attacks on 533 00:19:38,474 --> 00:19:39,214 oil pipelines 534 00:19:39,595 --> 00:19:41,454 and water supplies or, 535 00:19:42,795 --> 00:19:43,295 controllers 536 00:19:43,674 --> 00:19:46,734 in the middle of nowhere just doing water 537 00:19:47,515 --> 00:19:49,755 pumping and lifting to all the residents in 538 00:19:49,755 --> 00:19:50,654 a small city. 539 00:19:52,234 --> 00:19:53,295 These things 540 00:19:54,350 --> 00:19:56,450 gives us a very big warning 541 00:19:56,910 --> 00:19:59,390 that there are hackers and there are people 542 00:19:59,390 --> 00:20:01,730 out there that like to mess up with 543 00:20:03,070 --> 00:20:04,370 our industrial automation 544 00:20:05,150 --> 00:20:06,049 installed base. 545 00:20:08,214 --> 00:20:10,134 That's why there are so many measures has 546 00:20:10,134 --> 00:20:10,875 been applied. 547 00:20:11,734 --> 00:20:14,054 The IEC six two four four three is 548 00:20:14,054 --> 00:20:16,855 a great standard for encryption. It's very important 549 00:20:16,855 --> 00:20:19,355 now. And as a European country, 550 00:20:20,109 --> 00:20:22,190 CRA has been on our radar. We have 551 00:20:22,190 --> 00:20:25,549 been creating products that is compliant with the 552 00:20:25,549 --> 00:20:26,349 CRA or, 553 00:20:27,150 --> 00:20:28,690 cyber resiliency act, 554 00:20:29,710 --> 00:20:32,109 which is clear that all the vendors has 555 00:20:32,109 --> 00:20:32,609 to 556 00:20:32,990 --> 00:20:33,490 follow 557 00:20:33,869 --> 00:20:34,244 this, 558 00:20:34,884 --> 00:20:35,384 act 559 00:20:36,164 --> 00:20:39,704 before, December 2027. Otherwise, they cannot create, 560 00:20:40,884 --> 00:20:41,785 connected products. 561 00:20:42,805 --> 00:20:44,585 So cybersecurity has become 562 00:20:45,285 --> 00:20:47,545 too important now in our industry, 563 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:50,559 which wasn't the same thing again before COVID. 564 00:20:50,859 --> 00:20:52,940 Now it became so famous. You can see 565 00:20:52,940 --> 00:20:53,440 cyberattacks 566 00:20:54,380 --> 00:20:56,880 news on the news daily on daily basis. 567 00:20:58,059 --> 00:21:00,139 You know, our, crew has given us the 568 00:21:00,139 --> 00:21:01,980 flag. We kind of delayed starting because we 569 00:21:01,980 --> 00:21:03,585 are having so much fun in the preshow. 570 00:21:03,744 --> 00:21:05,424 But in any case, we're gonna have to 571 00:21:05,424 --> 00:21:07,184 do this again, Kareem. But before we go, 572 00:21:07,184 --> 00:21:08,944 I want you to tease up this awesome 573 00:21:08,944 --> 00:21:10,784 product you were telling me about that you 574 00:21:10,784 --> 00:21:12,144 have on the table here. Tell us a 575 00:21:12,144 --> 00:21:14,244 little bit about this product. Alright. So, 576 00:21:14,784 --> 00:21:16,170 the Modicon m six 577 00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:18,650 sixty, as we are the Schneider company, we 578 00:21:18,650 --> 00:21:19,470 own the Modicon 579 00:21:19,930 --> 00:21:22,570 brand. Modicon m six sixty is our new 580 00:21:22,570 --> 00:21:23,789 high performance controller. 581 00:21:24,650 --> 00:21:26,650 It is not an IPC. It's not a 582 00:21:26,650 --> 00:21:28,350 PLC. It's both together. 583 00:21:29,035 --> 00:21:30,555 So you can go with your, 584 00:21:31,115 --> 00:21:32,015 with your software, 585 00:21:32,315 --> 00:21:35,035 which is called Machine Expert, EcoStruxure Machine Expert. 586 00:21:35,035 --> 00:21:37,434 You configure it as a normal controller to, 587 00:21:37,595 --> 00:21:40,315 to control your robots, control your motion, your 588 00:21:40,315 --> 00:21:41,819 IOs here and there. 589 00:21:42,299 --> 00:21:43,759 And also it has 590 00:21:44,299 --> 00:21:47,659 an operating system by choice, either Windows or 591 00:21:47,659 --> 00:21:50,700 Linux as default, where you can apply your 592 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:52,799 virtual PLCs through orchestration 593 00:21:53,419 --> 00:21:54,240 on a container. 594 00:21:54,724 --> 00:21:57,285 So you have a machine controller and also 595 00:21:57,285 --> 00:21:58,585 you have a virtual controller, 596 00:21:59,285 --> 00:22:01,305 multiple virtual controllers as well. 597 00:22:04,085 --> 00:22:07,065 And it's all backboned by the OPC UAFX 598 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:08,259 protocol 599 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,000 that makes this of this controller goes up 600 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,960 to 300 axis of synchronized motion, which basically 601 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,519 equal to 70 robots on the, on the 602 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:19,919 shop floor. So it's really rugged. It's really 603 00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:23,115 so powerful. It is, powered by Intel chips, 604 00:22:23,674 --> 00:22:25,855 and it goes up to Intel I seven. 605 00:22:26,634 --> 00:22:28,974 So you get great power out of it. 606 00:22:29,994 --> 00:22:32,954 In addition, it has PCI free PCIe slots, 607 00:22:32,954 --> 00:22:35,035 so you can expand it to have your 608 00:22:35,035 --> 00:22:37,054 GPU, your Wi Fi card, 609 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,819 your five g card. 610 00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:41,380 So now it doesn't become only, 611 00:22:41,919 --> 00:22:44,500 a controller or an IPC. It becomes also 612 00:22:44,639 --> 00:22:46,960 a data a small data center. That's why, 613 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,619 you see the big heat sink over there. 614 00:22:50,255 --> 00:22:52,414 And it has a display port, so you 615 00:22:52,414 --> 00:22:54,674 can connect it to a touch screen HMI. 616 00:22:54,894 --> 00:22:56,494 You don't need to have an HMI with 617 00:22:56,494 --> 00:22:58,034 with it, just a touch screen. 618 00:22:58,494 --> 00:22:59,774 And you have your own, 619 00:23:00,734 --> 00:23:03,214 SCADA, your own HMI on it with different 620 00:23:03,214 --> 00:23:05,394 soft, softwares we have, like Wonderware. 621 00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:08,090 So it is a multi 622 00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:10,410 multipurpose controller. It is very 623 00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:13,430 fast controller as well because of the intel, 624 00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:15,609 and it is very robust, very futuristic. 625 00:23:16,309 --> 00:23:18,070 We are opening up for field trials. Too 626 00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:20,890 many customers like to try it today. And 627 00:23:21,134 --> 00:23:23,795 in addition, we provided an artificial intelligence 628 00:23:24,414 --> 00:23:26,815 with it on the software side of it, 629 00:23:26,815 --> 00:23:28,515 so to help all our 630 00:23:29,134 --> 00:23:30,115 control engineers 631 00:23:30,494 --> 00:23:32,894 to rest a little bit of writing too 632 00:23:32,894 --> 00:23:35,634 many codes or at least deciphering old codes. 633 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:37,250 And, 634 00:23:38,029 --> 00:23:40,029 yep, we have all these offers that we 635 00:23:40,029 --> 00:23:41,890 can launch to help, again, 636 00:23:42,269 --> 00:23:44,509 our control engineers to boost to the industry 637 00:23:44,509 --> 00:23:46,190 four point zero error. I have so many 638 00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:48,075 questions on this, but I'm getting the hook. 639 00:23:48,634 --> 00:23:50,794 I hope you'll, take my invitation to come 640 00:23:50,794 --> 00:23:52,875 back on the show maybe via m MS 641 00:23:52,875 --> 00:23:53,375 Teams, 642 00:23:53,914 --> 00:23:55,355 in in a few weeks and give us 643 00:23:55,355 --> 00:23:57,454 the full skinny on that. But for now, 644 00:23:57,514 --> 00:23:59,034 I wanna thank you, Karim, for coming on 645 00:23:59,034 --> 00:24:00,394 the show. It's been a blast meeting you 646 00:24:00,394 --> 00:24:02,575 and talking to you here at the innovation 647 00:24:03,230 --> 00:24:05,150 summit. Thank you. Thank you so much, and 648 00:24:05,150 --> 00:24:06,670 I'm so happy to be on the show. 649 00:24:06,670 --> 00:24:07,570 Appreciate that. 650 00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:09,869 Well, I hope you enjoyed this week's episode. 651 00:24:09,869 --> 00:24:12,109 I was great rewatching that interview I did 652 00:24:12,109 --> 00:24:14,029 with Kareem. I he's just such a great 653 00:24:14,029 --> 00:24:15,549 guy. So if you ever meet him in 654 00:24:15,549 --> 00:24:17,505 person, please say hi for me. And, hopefully, 655 00:24:17,505 --> 00:24:19,184 we'll get him on the show again in 656 00:24:19,184 --> 00:24:21,505 the near future. But with that said, please, 657 00:24:21,505 --> 00:24:23,025 if you have any questions for him, reach 658 00:24:23,025 --> 00:24:25,105 out directly to him. He's just a very 659 00:24:25,105 --> 00:24:28,384 approachable person, very knowledgeable too. So with that 660 00:24:28,384 --> 00:24:30,224 said, I also wanna take a moment here 661 00:24:30,224 --> 00:24:32,580 to thank Schneider who sponsored this episode so 662 00:24:32,580 --> 00:24:33,940 we could release it to you on all 663 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:35,240 platforms ad free. 664 00:24:35,539 --> 00:24:37,960 We really appreciate it when, vendors like Schneider 665 00:24:38,019 --> 00:24:40,980 support our coverage of their products and shows, 666 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:42,660 and just wanted to say thank you again 667 00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:44,680 to Schneider Electric for their support. 668 00:24:45,134 --> 00:24:47,055 And with that, I wanna thank you for 669 00:24:47,055 --> 00:24:48,494 tuning back in this week. There would be 670 00:24:48,494 --> 00:24:49,934 no reason to have the show if we 671 00:24:49,934 --> 00:24:51,775 didn't have an audience, and you guys are 672 00:24:51,775 --> 00:24:54,335 the best audience out there in podcast land, 673 00:24:54,335 --> 00:24:57,055 so in YouTube land. So really appreciate you 674 00:24:57,055 --> 00:24:58,815 all, even those of you listening and watching 675 00:24:58,815 --> 00:25:01,025 over at the automationblog.com, 676 00:25:01,025 --> 00:25:03,592 which I know many of you do, hundreds 677 00:25:03,592 --> 00:25:06,160 of you do as well. So with that 678 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,727 said, I wanna wish you all good health 679 00:25:08,727 --> 00:25:11,295 and happiness. And until next time, my friends, 680 00:25:11,295 --> 00:25:11,615 peace.