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Thank you for tuning back into the automation

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podcast. Sean Terry here from Insights. And this

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week on the show,

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I meet up with Hendrik Peterson

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and Jacob Abel to learn all about

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virtual PLCs from OT. That's o t e

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e. And, I just thought it was very

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interesting. So if you guys have ever thought

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about maybe running virtual PLCs to test some

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processes out, I think you'll really enjoy this.

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With that said, I wanna welcome to the

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show for the very first time, Hendrik and

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Jacob. Guys, before we jump into your presentation

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and learn more about what you do, could

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you first introduce yourself to our audience?

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Yeah. Sweetly.

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So my name is Hendrik. I am the

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cofounder, COO, OT,

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a new industrial automation company,

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that, we're really glad to present here today.

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I have a background from ABB. I worked

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eleven years at ABB.

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In terms of education, I have an engineering

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degree and a master degree in industrial economics.

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And, yeah, I'm I'm excited to be here.

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Thanks, Rom. And I'll pass it over to

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Jake.

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I'm, Jacob Abel. I'm the principal automation engineer

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at Edgnot.

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EdgeNaught is a systems integrator

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focusing on edge computing and virtual PLCs.

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My background is in mechanical engineering, and I'm

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a professional control systems engineer, and I have

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thirteen years experience

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in the machine building side of industrial automation,

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specifically in oil and gas making flow separators.

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And I'll hand it back to Henrik here.

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K. Great. So OT, we are a a

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new industrial automation company,

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the new kid on the block, if you

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will. We're a start up. So, we only

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started,

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about three years ago now.

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we focus solely on virtual PLCs

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and and the data architectures

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allow you to integrate virtual PLCs in in

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And, you know, some of the listeners

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will be very familiar with this first,

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thing I'm gonna say, but I think it's

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valuable to just take a take a little

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bit step back and and remember what has

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happened in

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in history when when it comes to to

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IT and OT and,

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and and what really

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what really happened with that split. Right?

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it was probably around the '9 you know,

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around nineteen nineties where

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the the the domain computer science were really

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and OT.

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of natural that that happened because we got

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we got open protocols

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and, you know, we had the personal computers

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and innovation could

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truly flourish on the IT side. But whereas

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lock in situation. And and that has that

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has really not been solved. Right? That that

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that is still kind of the the situation

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to really got really super motivated to solve

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this problem and and really

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dive deep into it. And I experienced this

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firsthand with with my role in NAD and,

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how how extremely locked we are at creating

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new solutions and new innovation on the OT

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to to truly

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the the innovation in this space and and

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make it possible to adopt anything new and

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that that sits above the PLC and and,

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this slide that kind of illustrates this point

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with with some some, you know, historical

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events or or at least some some some

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big shifts that has happened.

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Aurene mentioned a shift in nineteen nineties.

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that Gartner coined this term OT,

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to explain the difference really what what has

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since since the nineties and OT is, is,

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getting better, but it's still, it's still the

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innovation pace is really not, not fast.

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all the new developments in in GenAI and

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there is actually something happening right now. And

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for for that. Like, the the large incumbents

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virtual PLCs, software defined automation and all kinds

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true big shift on the OT side in

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terms of innovation,

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really the speed in which we can, we

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what what is the endgame here? Like,

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that IT and OT once once again becomes

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the same high paced innovation domain. Right. But

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then we need to solve those underlying

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problems, the infrastructural

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problems that are still so persistent on the

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that's coming into this space. So I think

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there's there's lots of great excitement now that

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context here. If we look at 1980, why

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was that so important? Why is this on

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the chart? And if you think about it,

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was a physical divide, just physically different topologies.

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it was it was now like, hey. We

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need to keep us safe. We know there's

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that that becomes the right now on this

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more, you know, you can do to fail

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now there is some really excitement around innovation,

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frustration, but this pent up potential,

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create something new and exciting in this space.

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a time that there hasn't been a better

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we focus solely on the virtual PLC.

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with your existing PLCs and could work as

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a master PLC or some kind of optimization

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deterministic controller.

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aspect of things. Like you can think new

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in terms of your system architecture,

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and you have a wide range of hardware

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to choose from.

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is really the key here, flexibility in how

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you architect your system.

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That CPU that you deploy on will will

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obviously be need to be connected to to

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the field somehow, and that's that's true, classical

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remote IO,

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connections.

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So we currently support, Modbus TCP and Ethernet

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IP, which is kind of deployed to

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our production environment, as it's called. So moving

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on to the next slide. Like, this is

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kind of the summary of our solution. We

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have built a

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cloud native IDE. So meaning anyone can can

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basically go to our website and log in

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to

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into the solution and and give it a

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spin. And, we'll show you that afterwards with

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with Jake.

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And the system interacts through a PubSub data

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framework.

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We use a specific technology called NUTS,

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communication

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bus.

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or OPC UA to the PubSub framework,

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according to your needs.

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So, and from that, you can integrate with,

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whatever whatever other,

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software you might have,

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in your system.

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So we have these value points that we

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always like to bring up. Like, this obviously

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breaks some kind of vendor lock in in

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terms of the hardware and the software.

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But it's also, our virtual PLC is based

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on on the six eleven thirty one. So

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it's not a lock in to any kind

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of proprietary programming language or anything like that.

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There is,

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there's obviously the cost,

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element to this that you can potentially save

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a lot of cost.

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We have,

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we have verified with with with some of

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our customers that they estimate to save up

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to 60%

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in total cost of ownership.

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This is

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there is obviously one part is the capex

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side and the other part is is the

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opex.

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and is this data framework, as I mentioned,

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is in in in which itself is is

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future proof to some extent. You can you

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can integrate whatever comes comes in in a

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year or or in a few years down

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the line.

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And,

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there's environmental

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footprint

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argument for this as you can save a

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lot on the on the infrastructure side. We

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have one specific customer that estimates to save

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a lot on and this this particular point

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is really important for them.

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And then final

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two points is essentially that we have built

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in a zero trust based security,

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principle into this solution. So we have role

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based access control.

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Everything is encrypted end to end,

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automatic certification,

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and things like that.

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The final point is, is that this is

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the infrastructure that allows you to bring

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AI and the classical,

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DevOps, the the thing that we're very used

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to in the IT side of things. Like,

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you you commit and merge and release,

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instead of,

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instead of the traditional,

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way of working with your automation systems.

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So I know this is like, this is

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pro pretty much, like, the boring,

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sales pitch slide, but,

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but, yeah, I just wanted to throw this

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this out there for for the guys that

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there is some there is some, intrinsic values

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underneath here.

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The way the system works, you will you

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will see this very soon, through the demo,

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but it's basically you just go to a

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website, you log in, you create a project.

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In there, you would

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create your your PLC program,

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test, you code, you simulate.

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You would onboard a device. So onboard that

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Linux device that you you want to deploy

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on. This can be as simple as a

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Raspberry Pi, or it can be something much

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more industrial grade. This depends on on on

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the use case.

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And then you would deploy services like, as

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I mentioned, MQTT and OPC UA, and then

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you would manage your your your system from

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from the interface.

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And, I have this nice quote that we

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got to use from one of the customers

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we had. This is a global,

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automotive manufacturer

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that, basically

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tells us that it's, they they highlighted

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the speed in which you can set this

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up,

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as as one of the biggest values for

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them, saving them a lot of hours and

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setting setting up the system.

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So I also wanted to show you a

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real you know, this is a actual real

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deployment. It was it was deployed about a

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year ago,

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and this is a pump station,

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or a water and wastewater

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operator with around 200 pump stations.

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They had a mix of of Rockwell and

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Schneider PLCs,

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and they had a very high upkeep, and

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they were losing a lot of data from

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these stations because they were connected over four

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g.

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When the Internet was a bit poor, they

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lost a bit of data in their SCADA

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systems, so they had these data gaps and

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things like that.

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So pretty pretty, you know,

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standard legacy setup to be to be honest.

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Quite outdated PLCs as well.

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So what they what they did for the

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first,

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pump station was they they, you know, removed

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the PLC.

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They put in a Raspberry Pi for for,

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like, €60

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or, like, $70,

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connected it to to a to a remote

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IO Ethernet IP module they had, in in

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the storage,

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and deploy this data framework as I'm showing

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on the screen now.

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So so they that was that was the

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first station they put online, and they they

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chose a Raspberry Pi because they thought, okay,

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this is interesting, but will it work? And

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then they chose a pump station, which was

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was really just poor from before. So they

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had very little to to to lose to

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to deploy on this station.

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So so, yeah, this has been running for

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a year now without any any problems on

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a Raspberry Pi. We have obviously advised against

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using a Raspberry Pi in a critical environment,

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but

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they just insisted that that what that's what

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they wanted to do for this first case.

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And I'll back that up too. Your generic

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off the shelf Raspberry Pi is just like

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a generic off the shelf computer.

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It's not rated for these type of environments.

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Not that all pump houses are really bad,

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but they're not air conditioned. And I think

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we've all had that situation when it's a

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120,

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130 out that, you know, off the shelf

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computer components can act wonky as well as

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when they get below freezing. So just wanted

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to chime in there and agree with you

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on that.

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For testing, it's great. But if you're gonna

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leave it in there, if you were in

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my town and you say you're gonna leave

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that in there permanently, I would ask to

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have you,

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assigned somewhere else for the town.

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Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. No. So and and that

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point is also illustrated with the second station

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they brought online. So there they chose a

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much more industrial grade CPU,

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that,

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that, was much, you know, cost cost a

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bit more, but it's more suited for the

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environment. And,

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and yeah. So this was, I can disclose

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it was a Bayer Electronics,

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CPU.

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So so yeah.

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And, and they reported,

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some good,

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good metrics in terms of, like, the results.

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They they said around 50 on the hardware,

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75%

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on the management of the PLC system. So

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this relates more to that they have very

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a lot of, you know, driving out with

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the car to these stations and doing

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changes to their systems and,

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and updates.

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They no longer have any, any data loss.

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It's local buffer on the data framework.

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They've increased tag capacity with 15 x, resulting

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in in four

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fifty five x better data resolution

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and a faster scan frequency. And this is

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actually on the Raspberry Pi. So so just

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just think of it as as the the

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even the even the,

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kind of the lowest quality

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IT off the shelf,

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computers,

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are are able to to,

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to execute really fast in in in, or

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fast enough for for,

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for these cases.

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So,

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Sean, that was actually what I wanted to

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say. And, and also,

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you know,

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yeah, we are we are a start up,

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but we do have,

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fifth users

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now in 57 different countries across the world.

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And it's it's really cool to see our

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our our,

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our technology being deployed

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around the world. And, and yeah.

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I'm really,

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really excited to to,

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to get more,

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users in and and hear what they what

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they, think of the solution. So so yeah.

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I'll I'll with that, I don't know if,

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Sean, you wanna you shoot any questions or

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if we should hand it over to Jake

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for for for a demo.

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Yeah. Just before we go to Jake, if

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somebody who's listening is interested, this might be

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a good time.

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It said that, you already talked about being

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cloud based. It's, o t e e.

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So Oscar Tom, Edward Edward for the the

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name of the company. Where would they go

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if if they like what Jake's gonna show

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us next? Where will they go to find

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out more? Yeah. So I would honestly propose

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that they just, reach out to to

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me or Jake, on on one of the

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QR codes that we have on the presentation.

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But they can also obviously go to our

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website, 0t.io,0tee.io,

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and just,

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either just,

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log in and test the product, or they

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could reach out to us, through our website,

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through the contact form. So yeah.

552
00:20:47,184 --> 00:20:48,164
Perfect. Perfect.

553
00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:50,680
Alright, Jake. I'll turn it over to you.

554
00:20:50,740 --> 00:20:51,640
Thanks, Sean.

555
00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:54,580
Fantastic stuff, Henrik. I wanna take a second

556
00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:55,799
too to kinda emphasize

557
00:20:56,340 --> 00:20:58,359
some of the technical points that you,

558
00:20:59,299 --> 00:21:00,279
presented on.

559
00:21:00,835 --> 00:21:02,994
Now first, the the fact that you have

560
00:21:02,994 --> 00:21:04,855
the built in zero trust cybersecurity

561
00:21:05,394 --> 00:21:06,695
is so huge.

562
00:21:07,715 --> 00:21:10,434
So, I mean, the OT cybersecurity is blowing

563
00:21:10,434 --> 00:21:11,414
up right now.

564
00:21:11,955 --> 00:21:12,934
So many certifications,

565
00:21:13,819 --> 00:21:15,200
you know, lots of,

566
00:21:15,740 --> 00:21:17,359
consulting and buzz on LinkedIn.

567
00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:19,819
I mean, it's a very real concern. It's

568
00:21:19,819 --> 00:21:21,039
for a good reason. Right?

569
00:21:22,779 --> 00:21:23,599
But with

570
00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:24,480
this,

571
00:21:24,779 --> 00:21:27,555
zero trust built in to the system, I

572
00:21:27,555 --> 00:21:30,615
I mean, you can completely close-up the firewall

573
00:21:30,674 --> 00:21:32,375
except for one outgoing port.

574
00:21:33,154 --> 00:21:36,115
And you have all the virtual PLCs connected

575
00:21:36,115 --> 00:21:36,615
together

576
00:21:37,315 --> 00:21:39,894
and it's all done. You know, there's no

577
00:21:41,140 --> 00:21:43,400
incoming ports to open up on the firewall

578
00:21:43,859 --> 00:21:44,759
to worry about,

579
00:21:45,619 --> 00:21:47,160
you know, that security concern.

580
00:21:48,259 --> 00:21:49,720
You know, it's basically like,

581
00:21:50,180 --> 00:21:51,960
you know, you've already set up a VPN

582
00:21:52,099 --> 00:21:53,859
server, if you will. It's it's not the

583
00:21:53,859 --> 00:21:55,160
same, but similar

584
00:21:55,904 --> 00:21:56,404
and,

585
00:21:56,785 --> 00:21:58,865
you know, taking care of that connection already.

586
00:21:58,865 --> 00:22:01,105
So there's an immense value in that, I

587
00:22:01,105 --> 00:22:01,605
think.

588
00:22:01,984 --> 00:22:03,424
And I wanted to add to the zero

589
00:22:03,424 --> 00:22:05,664
trust. We've covered it on the show. And

590
00:22:05,664 --> 00:22:07,684
just for people, maybe you've missed it.

591
00:22:08,259 --> 00:22:10,419
You know, with zero trust is you're not

592
00:22:10,419 --> 00:22:11,480
trusting anyone.

593
00:22:11,940 --> 00:22:13,400
You authorize connections.

594
00:22:14,099 --> 00:22:17,460
Okay? So by default, nobody's laptop or cell

595
00:22:17,460 --> 00:22:19,240
phone or tablet can talk to anything.

596
00:22:19,619 --> 00:22:21,700
You authorize, hey. I want this SCADA system

597
00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:22,919
to talk to this PLC.

598
00:22:23,265 --> 00:22:24,865
I want this PLC to talk to this

599
00:22:24,865 --> 00:22:27,345
IO. I want this historian to talk to

600
00:22:27,345 --> 00:22:29,205
this PLC. Every connection

601
00:22:29,585 --> 00:22:31,205
has to be implicitly

602
00:22:31,904 --> 00:22:33,205
I'm sorry. Explicitly,

603
00:22:34,464 --> 00:22:35,845
enabled and trusted.

604
00:22:36,169 --> 00:22:38,730
And so by default, you know, an an

605
00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:41,130
integrator comes into the plant, he can't do

606
00:22:41,130 --> 00:22:44,169
anything because in a zero trust system, somebody

607
00:22:44,169 --> 00:22:46,829
has to give him and his laptop access

608
00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:49,450
and access to specific things. Maybe he only

609
00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:50,505
gets access to

610
00:22:50,984 --> 00:22:53,384
the PLC, and that makes sense. Think about

611
00:22:53,384 --> 00:22:55,384
it. Who knows whether his laptop has been?

612
00:22:55,384 --> 00:22:56,904
I mean, we've heard about people plug in

613
00:22:56,904 --> 00:22:59,065
to the USB ports of the airport and

614
00:22:59,065 --> 00:23:02,444
getting viruses. So it's important that person's device

615
00:23:02,505 --> 00:23:05,250
or a SCADA system or a historian only

616
00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:07,410
has access to exactly what it needs access

617
00:23:07,410 --> 00:23:09,750
to. Just like you don't let the secretary

618
00:23:09,970 --> 00:23:12,049
walk on the plant floor and start running

619
00:23:12,049 --> 00:23:14,369
the machine. Right? So it's a it's an

620
00:23:14,369 --> 00:23:15,970
important concept. We've covered it a lot. And

621
00:23:15,970 --> 00:23:17,490
and, Jake, I really appreciate you bringing that

622
00:23:17,490 --> 00:23:19,575
up because zero trust is so huge, and

623
00:23:19,575 --> 00:23:21,015
I think it's huge for OT to have

624
00:23:21,015 --> 00:23:22,554
it built into their system.

625
00:23:22,934 --> 00:23:24,154
Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

626
00:23:25,015 --> 00:23:28,234
I wanted to highlight too the Henrik mentioned

627
00:23:28,295 --> 00:23:30,694
that the the backbone of the system is

628
00:23:30,694 --> 00:23:33,335
running on a technology called NATS. That's spelled

629
00:23:33,335 --> 00:23:34,349
n a t s.

630
00:23:35,309 --> 00:23:35,809
And

631
00:23:36,109 --> 00:23:38,269
why that's important is this is a a

632
00:23:38,269 --> 00:23:39,329
lightweight messaging,

633
00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:40,690
service,

634
00:23:40,990 --> 00:23:44,130
and it's designed to send millions of messages

635
00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:46,369
per second. You know, that's opposed to,

636
00:23:47,005 --> 00:23:49,804
you know, probably the best Modbus TCP device

637
00:23:49,804 --> 00:23:51,244
that you can find. You might get a

638
00:23:51,244 --> 00:23:54,765
couple 100 messages through per second. It's millions

639
00:23:54,765 --> 00:23:56,625
of messages per second. It's,

640
00:23:57,085 --> 00:23:58,065
you know, especially

641
00:23:58,365 --> 00:23:58,859
with,

642
00:23:59,740 --> 00:24:02,400
you know, we're dealing with AI machine learning,

643
00:24:02,539 --> 00:24:04,000
you know, training models.

644
00:24:04,859 --> 00:24:08,140
I mean, we're data hungry. Right? So this

645
00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:09,819
gives you the backbone too. You know, it's

646
00:24:09,819 --> 00:24:10,875
like it can push

647
00:24:11,434 --> 00:24:13,914
an immense amount of tag data, you know,

648
00:24:13,914 --> 00:24:17,035
with ease. I think that's another really important

649
00:24:17,035 --> 00:24:17,535
point.

650
00:24:19,835 --> 00:24:21,194
With that, though, I'll I'll get on to

651
00:24:21,194 --> 00:24:23,194
the demo. Oh, that's great. We do we

652
00:24:23,194 --> 00:24:24,795
do see that, Jay, that most of our

653
00:24:24,795 --> 00:24:27,769
customers report on that, you know, 400

654
00:24:27,769 --> 00:24:30,970
or 700 x better data resolution. And so

655
00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:32,970
it's it's a step change for for for

656
00:24:32,970 --> 00:24:34,829
the data resolution there. Yeah.

657
00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:35,950
Excellent.

658
00:24:36,650 --> 00:24:38,650
So one of the things that I personally

659
00:24:38,650 --> 00:24:40,190
love about OT is

660
00:24:40,555 --> 00:24:42,494
how quickly you can get into the PLC

661
00:24:42,875 --> 00:24:46,015
once everything's set up. So this is OT's

662
00:24:46,075 --> 00:24:48,335
website, obviously, ot.io.

663
00:24:49,355 --> 00:24:51,195
So once you're here, you just go to

664
00:24:51,195 --> 00:24:51,934
log in.

665
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:55,190
And that brings in the login screen. Now

666
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:58,069
I'm are I'm using my Google account for

667
00:24:58,069 --> 00:25:00,710
single sign on, so I can just click

668
00:25:00,710 --> 00:25:01,849
continue with Google.

669
00:25:03,109 --> 00:25:05,049
And this brings me into the main interface.

670
00:25:05,509 --> 00:25:06,009
And

671
00:25:06,389 --> 00:25:08,295
another thing that I love is that,

672
00:25:08,695 --> 00:25:10,955
you know, it is very simple and straightforward,

673
00:25:11,815 --> 00:25:13,975
you know, and simple is not a bad

674
00:25:13,975 --> 00:25:16,455
thing. Simple is a good thing. I mean,

675
00:25:16,455 --> 00:25:18,535
the way that things should be is that

676
00:25:18,535 --> 00:25:19,434
it should be,

677
00:25:20,134 --> 00:25:22,535
it should be easy and the finer details

678
00:25:22,535 --> 00:25:24,154
are taken care of for you.

679
00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:27,970
So right here, we have our main project

680
00:25:27,970 --> 00:25:30,769
list. I just have this one benchmarking program

681
00:25:30,769 --> 00:25:32,309
that I've imported in here.

682
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:37,009
And you also have device lists, just a

683
00:25:37,009 --> 00:25:39,490
a test device that I've installed the runtime

684
00:25:39,490 --> 00:25:39,990
on.

685
00:25:40,805 --> 00:25:42,825
Just real quick. You know, you have a

686
00:25:43,365 --> 00:25:46,265
Martha, the AI assistant in the corner here.

687
00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:47,545
And,

688
00:25:48,565 --> 00:25:49,464
the documentation

689
00:25:49,765 --> 00:25:51,065
guides is up here.

690
00:25:51,765 --> 00:25:52,799
So you can get

691
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,180
help or look into reference material

692
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,059
very easily. It's all right there for you.

693
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,220
So I'm gonna open up this program here.

694
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,380
So just a quick tour here.

695
00:26:09,125 --> 00:26:10,884
Right up here in the top left is

696
00:26:10,884 --> 00:26:11,384
basically

697
00:26:12,004 --> 00:26:13,944
where where most everything's done.

698
00:26:14,484 --> 00:26:14,984
So

699
00:26:15,764 --> 00:26:17,704
if you click on this little down arrow,

700
00:26:17,764 --> 00:26:20,724
you can choose what virtual PLC runtime to

701
00:26:20,724 --> 00:26:23,125
attach it to. I've already attached it to

702
00:26:23,125 --> 00:26:26,000
the device. I installed the runtime on.

703
00:26:28,619 --> 00:26:29,680
You can add,

704
00:26:30,619 --> 00:26:32,000
you know, a new program,

705
00:26:32,380 --> 00:26:33,680
driver, function blocks,

706
00:26:34,299 --> 00:26:36,799
custom data types real quick here.

707
00:26:38,005 --> 00:26:40,744
Compile your program, download it to the device.

708
00:26:42,005 --> 00:26:44,565
Check the release history, which is really, really

709
00:26:44,565 --> 00:26:45,065
great.

710
00:26:45,765 --> 00:26:47,605
As you can, you can go into release

711
00:26:47,605 --> 00:26:49,765
history and you can revert to a prior

712
00:26:49,765 --> 00:26:51,065
version very easily.

713
00:26:51,609 --> 00:26:52,669
We got built in,

714
00:26:54,169 --> 00:26:56,029
version control, which is another,

715
00:26:56,649 --> 00:26:57,470
great feature.

716
00:26:59,289 --> 00:27:01,289
I can also just comment on that, Jake,

717
00:27:01,289 --> 00:27:01,789
that

718
00:27:02,089 --> 00:27:03,789
we do have we do have,

719
00:27:04,089 --> 00:27:07,144
in the quite short term roadmap to also

720
00:27:07,365 --> 00:27:09,464
expand on that with Git integration,

721
00:27:10,804 --> 00:27:13,365
that, a lot of our customers are are

722
00:27:13,365 --> 00:27:15,065
asking for. So yeah.

723
00:27:16,484 --> 00:27:18,869
Awesome. Yeah. I mean, that's that's another,

724
00:27:19,890 --> 00:27:20,390
very

725
00:27:21,009 --> 00:27:22,950
hot topic right now. It's,

726
00:27:23,490 --> 00:27:26,390
you know, getting getting the revision control systems,

727
00:27:28,049 --> 00:27:29,029
as part of,

728
00:27:29,569 --> 00:27:31,029
you know, at least the textual,

729
00:27:32,355 --> 00:27:33,174
programming languages.

730
00:27:35,955 --> 00:27:36,615
See, so,

731
00:27:36,914 --> 00:27:38,835
you know, we have a few, like, housekeeping

732
00:27:38,835 --> 00:27:40,275
things here. I mean, you can delete the

733
00:27:40,275 --> 00:27:40,775
program,

734
00:27:41,234 --> 00:27:42,134
export it.

735
00:27:42,595 --> 00:27:44,755
It's a good good point here is that,

736
00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:48,460
OT complies with the PLC open,

737
00:27:48,919 --> 00:27:49,980
XML specification.

738
00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:53,019
So you can import or export

739
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:54,059
programs,

740
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:57,000
in this XML format, and it should work

741
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,500
with

742
00:27:58,015 --> 00:28:00,734
solid majority of other automation software out there.

743
00:28:00,734 --> 00:28:02,035
You know, if you need to,

744
00:28:02,654 --> 00:28:04,335
you want to transition over to OT, you

745
00:28:04,335 --> 00:28:05,855
know, you can export it from your other

746
00:28:05,855 --> 00:28:07,234
software and import it

747
00:28:07,694 --> 00:28:08,515
rather easily.

748
00:28:10,414 --> 00:28:12,414
Got your program list here and,

749
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,019
you know, just the basic configuration

750
00:28:15,399 --> 00:28:15,899
of,

751
00:28:16,679 --> 00:28:18,839
you know, you can add global variables that

752
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:21,259
you wanna share between the different programs

753
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,380
and POUs

754
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:25,339
or, you know, change

755
00:28:25,845 --> 00:28:26,345
the,

756
00:28:27,684 --> 00:28:30,505
cycle rate of the periodic tasks,

757
00:28:31,204 --> 00:28:32,265
add more tasks.

758
00:28:33,525 --> 00:28:35,865
Let's just get jump into this program here.

759
00:28:39,349 --> 00:28:41,369
Both the system uses the IEC

760
00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:44,150
sixty one one thirty one dash three standard

761
00:28:44,150 --> 00:28:45,130
structured text.

762
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:47,930
So here's just a little,

763
00:28:49,509 --> 00:28:51,750
quick benchmark program that I've been using to

764
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:53,130
do some performance testing.

765
00:28:55,085 --> 00:28:55,984
Like you, you have

766
00:28:56,845 --> 00:28:58,684
the, the code right here, obviously. And on

767
00:28:58,684 --> 00:28:59,664
our, our right,

768
00:29:00,204 --> 00:29:01,424
the variable list,

769
00:29:02,285 --> 00:29:03,265
very easy to

770
00:29:03,565 --> 00:29:05,724
add a new variable and pick out the

771
00:29:05,724 --> 00:29:06,224
type.

772
00:29:10,089 --> 00:29:12,909
You can set a set of default value,

773
00:29:13,529 --> 00:29:15,069
add some notes to it.

774
00:29:17,129 --> 00:29:17,950
Super easy.

775
00:29:19,129 --> 00:29:19,629
So

776
00:29:20,089 --> 00:29:22,089
let's go online. So if you have these

777
00:29:22,089 --> 00:29:24,555
little glasses up here in the top, right,

778
00:29:25,355 --> 00:29:26,894
you display live tag values.

779
00:29:28,235 --> 00:29:30,335
And so it's grabbing from the runtime

780
00:29:30,715 --> 00:29:31,934
that's running and

781
00:29:32,235 --> 00:29:33,994
plopping it right in here in the editor,

782
00:29:33,994 --> 00:29:35,934
which I I love the way it's displayed.

783
00:29:36,075 --> 00:29:37,049
It makes it.

784
00:29:37,930 --> 00:29:39,369
And, you know, it's one of the question

785
00:29:39,369 --> 00:29:41,610
marks is if you're doing structured text instead

786
00:29:41,610 --> 00:29:43,850
of letter logic, like how it's gonna show

787
00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:45,710
up and how readable is it gonna be.

788
00:29:46,009 --> 00:29:48,330
I think the, the text, like the color

789
00:29:48,330 --> 00:29:50,664
contrast here helps a lot. It's

790
00:29:51,044 --> 00:29:51,544
very,

791
00:29:52,005 --> 00:29:54,404
very readable and intuitive. And we also have

792
00:29:54,404 --> 00:29:55,784
the tag browser

793
00:29:56,644 --> 00:29:57,784
on the right hand side.

794
00:30:01,284 --> 00:30:01,784
Everything

795
00:30:02,244 --> 00:30:02,744
is,

796
00:30:03,809 --> 00:30:07,329
organized into, you know, different groups. There's the

797
00:30:07,329 --> 00:30:07,990
the resources

798
00:30:08,849 --> 00:30:10,769
and instances that you've set up in the

799
00:30:10,769 --> 00:30:12,069
configuration tab.

800
00:30:13,169 --> 00:30:15,250
So the by default, the tag the tags

801
00:30:15,250 --> 00:30:16,904
are all listed under there.

802
00:30:19,144 --> 00:30:21,224
And here too, you know, you can set

803
00:30:21,224 --> 00:30:22,045
tag values

804
00:30:23,384 --> 00:30:26,105
doing some performance testing, as I said. So

805
00:30:26,105 --> 00:30:26,585
this is,

806
00:30:27,705 --> 00:30:30,684
recording some some jitter and task time metrics.

807
00:30:33,069 --> 00:30:35,410
And that's that's really it. That's the

808
00:30:36,910 --> 00:30:38,849
that's the cloud IV in a nutshell.

809
00:30:39,150 --> 00:30:42,269
Super easy, very intuitive. I mean, it's there

810
00:30:42,349 --> 00:30:45,789
there's zero learning curve here. For the, audio

811
00:30:45,789 --> 00:30:46,289
audience,

812
00:30:46,765 --> 00:30:48,605
just a little comment here. First of all,

813
00:30:48,605 --> 00:30:50,304
structured text to me

814
00:30:51,005 --> 00:30:52,865
seems to be, like, the

815
00:30:53,164 --> 00:30:57,005
most compatible between all PLCs. So, you know,

816
00:30:57,005 --> 00:30:59,244
everybody does ladder a little bit differently. Everybody

817
00:30:59,244 --> 00:31:01,184
does function blocks a little bit differently.

818
00:31:01,539 --> 00:31:03,140
But structured text and, again, I could be

819
00:31:03,140 --> 00:31:04,500
wrong if you guys think out there in

820
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:06,180
the in listening, think I'm wrong about that.

821
00:31:06,180 --> 00:31:08,579
But when I've seen structured text and compared

822
00:31:08,579 --> 00:31:11,059
it between multiple different vendors, it always seems

823
00:31:11,059 --> 00:31:12,039
to be the closest

824
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:14,259
from vendor to vendor to vendor. So I

825
00:31:14,259 --> 00:31:16,424
can see this makes a great a great

826
00:31:16,904 --> 00:31:19,144
place to start for OT to have a

827
00:31:19,144 --> 00:31:21,305
virtual PLC that supports that because you're gonna

828
00:31:21,305 --> 00:31:22,605
be able to import or export

829
00:31:23,225 --> 00:31:25,465
to your maybe your physical PLCs. The other

830
00:31:25,465 --> 00:31:27,144
thing is I wanted to comment on what

831
00:31:27,144 --> 00:31:29,639
we're seeing here. So, many of you who

832
00:31:29,639 --> 00:31:31,480
are familiar with structured text, you know, you

833
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,419
may have an if then else,

834
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:35,099
or an if then.

835
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:37,819
And and you may have, like, tag

836
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:38,619
x,

837
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,139
equals, you know, either some kind of calculation,

838
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,055
you know, maybe, you know, z times y

839
00:31:45,055 --> 00:31:46,674
or just maybe a a constant.

840
00:31:46,975 --> 00:31:48,434
But what we're seeing here

841
00:31:48,815 --> 00:31:50,035
is as we're running,

842
00:31:50,495 --> 00:31:51,475
they have inserted

843
00:31:51,855 --> 00:31:54,015
at a in a different color the actual

844
00:31:54,015 --> 00:31:56,035
value of, let's say, tag x.

845
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:58,390
So in between you know, right next to

846
00:31:58,390 --> 00:32:00,789
tag x, we see the actual value changing

847
00:32:00,789 --> 00:32:03,029
and updating a few times a second. And

848
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:04,789
so it makes it very easy to kinda

849
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:07,750
monitor this thing while it's running and see

850
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:10,144
how everything's working, and I know that's that's

851
00:32:10,144 --> 00:32:10,644
huge.

852
00:32:11,345 --> 00:32:12,865
And I know a lot of vendors also

853
00:32:12,865 --> 00:32:14,224
do this as well, but I love the

854
00:32:14,224 --> 00:32:16,464
integration here, how it's so easy to see

855
00:32:16,464 --> 00:32:18,704
what the current values are for each of

856
00:32:18,704 --> 00:32:19,444
these variables.

857
00:32:19,825 --> 00:32:21,664
And, I'll turn it over to you, Hendrick.

858
00:32:21,664 --> 00:32:23,549
I think I interrupted you. Go ahead. Yeah.

859
00:32:23,549 --> 00:32:25,549
No. I was just gonna comment on that.

860
00:32:25,549 --> 00:32:27,789
Jake said, like, this is the this is

861
00:32:27,789 --> 00:32:28,850
the POC editor,

862
00:32:29,309 --> 00:32:31,710
and the next the next big feature that

863
00:32:31,710 --> 00:32:34,930
we're releasing very soon is essentially the service,

864
00:32:36,055 --> 00:32:37,815
manager, which is the,

865
00:32:38,215 --> 00:32:40,375
which is the feature that will allow our

866
00:32:40,375 --> 00:32:41,434
users to deploy

867
00:32:41,975 --> 00:32:43,835
any kind of service very efficiently,

868
00:32:44,455 --> 00:32:47,575
like another runtime or OPC UA server or

869
00:32:47,575 --> 00:32:49,355
an entity server or

870
00:32:50,369 --> 00:32:53,650
or or whatever other, software components that that,

871
00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:55,809
you want to deploy, like a Knox server

872
00:32:55,809 --> 00:32:57,890
or things like that. So and that's that's,

873
00:32:58,049 --> 00:33:00,609
we were really excited about that because, that

874
00:33:00,609 --> 00:33:02,450
will kind of allow for a step change

875
00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:04,445
in how you kind of orchestrate and manage

876
00:33:04,445 --> 00:33:05,144
your system and your,

877
00:33:06,345 --> 00:33:08,065
your system and your, your, you have a

878
00:33:08,065 --> 00:33:09,865
very good overview of what's going on with

879
00:33:09,865 --> 00:33:12,585
versions of, of the different software components running

880
00:33:12,585 --> 00:33:15,065
in your, your infrastructure and your devices and

881
00:33:15,065 --> 00:33:17,224
things like that. So we're really excited about

882
00:33:17,224 --> 00:33:19,470
that, that it's coming out. And it might

883
00:33:19,470 --> 00:33:21,390
be that actually when when this,

884
00:33:21,789 --> 00:33:22,769
episode airs,

885
00:33:23,150 --> 00:33:25,309
who knows if it's if it's done or

886
00:33:25,309 --> 00:33:27,470
or not, but we're very close to release

887
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:29,869
the first version of that. So excited about

888
00:33:29,869 --> 00:33:30,315
that.

889
00:33:30,875 --> 00:33:32,394
Now I have a question for you guys,

890
00:33:32,394 --> 00:33:34,234
and maybe this is off topic a little

891
00:33:34,234 --> 00:33:35,994
bit. So let's say I'm up here in

892
00:33:35,994 --> 00:33:37,774
the cloud. I'm working on a program,

893
00:33:38,474 --> 00:33:40,154
and I have some IO on my desk

894
00:33:40,154 --> 00:33:41,835
I wanna connect it to. Is that something

895
00:33:41,835 --> 00:33:43,194
I can do? Is there a connector I

896
00:33:43,194 --> 00:33:45,355
can download and install my PC to allow

897
00:33:45,355 --> 00:33:47,399
the cloud to talk to my IO? Or

898
00:33:47,399 --> 00:33:48,679
is that something where I have to get

899
00:33:48,679 --> 00:33:50,779
a a, you know, a local,

900
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:52,940
you know, like we talked about those industrial

901
00:33:53,399 --> 00:33:55,799
Linux boxes and and test it here with

902
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:56,299
that?

903
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:58,279
Yeah. So I think you what you what

904
00:33:58,279 --> 00:33:59,899
you're you're after is, like,

905
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:01,500
the IO configuration

906
00:34:02,115 --> 00:34:04,755
of, if you wanna deploy a driver, right,

907
00:34:04,755 --> 00:34:05,815
or, like, a modbus

908
00:34:06,515 --> 00:34:08,835
driver and how you figure out the system.

909
00:34:08,835 --> 00:34:10,994
Right? Yeah. Because this is in the cloud.

910
00:34:10,994 --> 00:34:12,755
It's not on my desk. The IO is

911
00:34:12,755 --> 00:34:14,594
on my desk. So how would I connect

912
00:34:14,594 --> 00:34:16,114
the two of them? How would I is

913
00:34:16,114 --> 00:34:17,849
is that something that can be done?

914
00:34:18,970 --> 00:34:21,710
Yep. Yeah. Exactly. That's that's actually the

915
00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:23,769
you know, I I think, Jake, you might

916
00:34:23,769 --> 00:34:25,769
just wanna show why you deploy a driver.

917
00:34:25,769 --> 00:34:26,269
Right?

918
00:34:26,970 --> 00:34:27,710
Sure. Sure.

919
00:34:28,890 --> 00:34:31,070
And I just wanna take a second to,

920
00:34:31,690 --> 00:34:34,355
clarify. You know, it's something that kinda comes

921
00:34:34,355 --> 00:34:35,175
up often,

922
00:34:35,954 --> 00:34:37,474
and I I don't I don't think it

923
00:34:37,474 --> 00:34:40,214
gets it's it's cleared up enough is that

924
00:34:40,594 --> 00:34:42,994
so, you know, we have this cloud ID

925
00:34:42,994 --> 00:34:44,835
here. So, you know, you can open this

926
00:34:44,835 --> 00:34:46,214
from anywhere in the world.

927
00:34:46,910 --> 00:34:49,390
But the virtual PLC run times get installed

928
00:34:49,390 --> 00:34:50,450
on computers

929
00:34:51,150 --> 00:34:51,650
preferably

930
00:34:52,030 --> 00:34:52,769
very locally,

931
00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:55,390
you know, on the machine, on the factory

932
00:34:55,390 --> 00:34:57,630
floor, something like that. I I've got,

933
00:34:58,110 --> 00:34:59,730
an edge computer right here.

934
00:35:01,074 --> 00:35:02,515
Just as an example. I mean, this is

935
00:35:02,515 --> 00:35:04,295
something you would just pop in the

936
00:35:04,675 --> 00:35:06,695
control panel and you can

937
00:35:07,074 --> 00:35:08,695
install OT on this.

938
00:35:10,035 --> 00:35:10,535
So

939
00:35:11,474 --> 00:35:13,394
to answer your question better, Sean, you know,

940
00:35:13,394 --> 00:35:14,295
to get to,

941
00:35:14,859 --> 00:35:16,780
you know, the remote IO that you need

942
00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:18,780
essentially, or actually in the, in the case

943
00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:20,480
of this, this has onboard IO.

944
00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:23,659
You know, you're looking at connecting with MOBAs,

945
00:35:23,659 --> 00:35:25,359
PCP, Ethernet IP.

946
00:35:26,735 --> 00:35:29,074
I I know that a lot more protocols

947
00:35:29,135 --> 00:35:30,275
are coming. Profinet.

948
00:35:31,614 --> 00:35:33,554
So how you would do that is

949
00:35:34,974 --> 00:35:35,875
that you have

950
00:35:36,175 --> 00:35:37,635
that plus sign up here

951
00:35:39,375 --> 00:35:40,914
and add a driver config.

952
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:42,730
We're just gonna do,

953
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:44,409
Modbus real quick.

954
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:45,210
Mhmm.

955
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:51,750
And we wanna add a TCP client. So

956
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:53,130
you can name the client,

957
00:35:56,485 --> 00:35:58,325
tell it how fast to pull, you know,

958
00:35:58,325 --> 00:35:59,065
any delays,

959
00:35:59,684 --> 00:36:01,305
put in the IP address.

960
00:36:03,844 --> 00:36:05,765
Just an example. Do the port number if

961
00:36:05,765 --> 00:36:07,305
you need and then add your requests.

962
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,180
You know, you have support for,

963
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:14,519
all the main function codes and mod bus

964
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:15,180
right here,

965
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,820
you know, read holding, read input,

966
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,280
you know, write multiple coils, all that good

967
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:20,780
stuff,

968
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,300
you know, tell address

969
00:36:22,875 --> 00:36:24,974
how many registers you wanna do,

970
00:36:25,994 --> 00:36:27,614
timeouts, slave ID.

971
00:36:28,474 --> 00:36:30,255
And then, you know, once you've done that,

972
00:36:30,394 --> 00:36:32,175
so let's say, you know, I'm gonna read,

973
00:36:35,675 --> 00:36:37,409
and holding registers here,

974
00:36:38,769 --> 00:36:40,949
the table on the right auto updates.

975
00:36:42,210 --> 00:36:44,210
You can do aliases for each one of

976
00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:44,710
these.

977
00:36:46,210 --> 00:36:47,269
You can just do

978
00:36:51,730 --> 00:36:52,789
register one

979
00:36:53,484 --> 00:36:54,925
Mhmm. As an example

980
00:36:55,565 --> 00:36:57,565
It's showing just for the audio audience, it's

981
00:36:57,565 --> 00:37:00,065
showing the absolute address for all these modbus,

982
00:37:01,085 --> 00:37:03,885
variables and then, has the symbols, and he's

983
00:37:03,885 --> 00:37:05,644
putting in his own symbol name. It has

984
00:37:05,644 --> 00:37:08,465
a default symbol name of symbol dash something,

985
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:10,730
and he's putting his own in, like, register

986
00:37:10,789 --> 00:37:12,809
one, which makes it easier. Yeah.

987
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:17,030
Good point. Yeah. Good point. Thanks, Sean.

988
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:20,949
So, yeah, once once you put in your

989
00:37:20,949 --> 00:37:21,449
request

990
00:37:21,785 --> 00:37:24,125
and you can throw in some aliases,

991
00:37:24,985 --> 00:37:26,364
for the different registers,

992
00:37:27,465 --> 00:37:28,664
you know, you can go back to your

993
00:37:28,664 --> 00:37:29,164
program

994
00:37:30,664 --> 00:37:31,164
and

995
00:37:31,625 --> 00:37:32,344
here's this,

996
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:35,969
sample variable that I just added from earlier.

997
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:37,809
You know, you can

998
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:40,989
the registers are 16 bits. I'm gonna select,

999
00:37:41,309 --> 00:37:41,969
an int.

1000
00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:45,409
And what you can do here now is

1001
00:37:47,414 --> 00:37:49,894
select those modbus requests that you just set

1002
00:37:49,894 --> 00:37:50,394
up.

1003
00:37:50,775 --> 00:37:53,894
So it automatically maps these to those variables

1004
00:37:53,894 --> 00:37:54,635
for you.

1005
00:37:54,934 --> 00:37:56,614
So that that way you don't have to

1006
00:37:56,614 --> 00:37:57,355
do anything

1007
00:37:58,309 --> 00:38:00,630
anything manual, like have a separate program to

1008
00:38:00,630 --> 00:38:02,730
say, you know, this tag equals,

1009
00:38:03,429 --> 00:38:05,670
you know, register 40,001.

1010
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:07,829
You know, it's already mapped for you. So

1011
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:10,230
that's that's essentially how you would connect to

1012
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:11,130
remote IO

1013
00:38:11,590 --> 00:38:11,909
is,

1014
00:38:12,695 --> 00:38:15,195
just add a client in the driver configs

1015
00:38:15,574 --> 00:38:16,074
and,

1016
00:38:16,614 --> 00:38:18,074
fill in all your info and

1017
00:38:18,375 --> 00:38:19,355
be off and running.

1018
00:38:21,574 --> 00:38:23,494
That's excellent. I really liked how you were

1019
00:38:23,494 --> 00:38:25,735
able to easily map the register to the

1020
00:38:25,735 --> 00:38:29,090
modbus value you're reading in or writing to

1021
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:31,150
to your, variable so you can use that

1022
00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:32,750
in your program. That was very easy to

1023
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:33,250
do.

1024
00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:36,610
Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's

1025
00:38:37,390 --> 00:38:38,750
that it's like I said, that's one of

1026
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:40,510
the things that I love about this interface

1027
00:38:40,510 --> 00:38:42,849
is that everything is just very straightforward.

1028
00:38:43,925 --> 00:38:46,085
You know, it's it's super easy to just

1029
00:38:46,085 --> 00:38:46,985
stumble upon

1030
00:38:47,764 --> 00:38:49,625
whatever it is you need and

1031
00:38:50,244 --> 00:38:51,144
figure it out.

1032
00:38:52,885 --> 00:38:55,125
And just just, to add to to kinda

1033
00:38:55,125 --> 00:38:58,369
your your processors, like, once you have created

1034
00:38:58,369 --> 00:39:00,550
that connection between the IO and

1035
00:39:00,849 --> 00:39:04,130
and and the program, you basically just, compile

1036
00:39:04,130 --> 00:39:06,050
it and download it to the to the

1037
00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:08,849
runtime again, and and it executes locally the

1038
00:39:09,250 --> 00:39:10,425
based on the yeah.

1039
00:39:11,465 --> 00:39:14,265
Nice. Oh, right. Good point. Yeah. Of of

1040
00:39:14,265 --> 00:39:16,105
course, after we add something, we do have

1041
00:39:16,105 --> 00:39:17,565
to redownload. So

1042
00:39:18,425 --> 00:39:20,605
Very interesting. Well, that answers my question.

1043
00:39:21,785 --> 00:39:23,704
I think that's that's about it for the

1044
00:39:23,704 --> 00:39:25,480
the demo. I mean, unless,

1045
00:39:26,260 --> 00:39:28,440
Sean, you have any more questions about

1046
00:39:28,739 --> 00:39:30,119
the interface here.

1047
00:39:30,819 --> 00:39:32,739
No. It looked pretty straightforward to me, Hendrik.

1048
00:39:32,739 --> 00:39:34,179
I don't know. Did you have anything else

1049
00:39:34,179 --> 00:39:35,539
you wanted to discuss while we have the

1050
00:39:35,539 --> 00:39:36,359
demo up?

1051
00:39:38,635 --> 00:39:41,434
Nope. Not nothing related to this except for

1052
00:39:41,434 --> 00:39:42,335
that, you know,

1053
00:39:43,355 --> 00:39:45,674
this is probably something that's quite new in

1054
00:39:45,674 --> 00:39:47,295
the OT space is that

1055
00:39:47,594 --> 00:39:48,574
this is a software

1056
00:39:48,875 --> 00:39:51,359
service, meaning that there are continuous

1057
00:39:51,739 --> 00:39:53,519
development going on and releases,

1058
00:39:54,139 --> 00:39:56,539
and improvements to the software all the time.

1059
00:39:56,539 --> 00:39:59,599
Like literally every week we deploy new improvements.

1060
00:39:59,659 --> 00:40:00,159
And,

1061
00:40:00,940 --> 00:40:01,440
and

1062
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:02,380
what,

1063
00:40:02,699 --> 00:40:04,639
I typically say is that like,

1064
00:40:05,255 --> 00:40:06,855
the, you know, if you if you if

1065
00:40:06,855 --> 00:40:09,094
you sign up with OT, what you what

1066
00:40:09,094 --> 00:40:11,815
you will experience is that the actual software

1067
00:40:11,815 --> 00:40:14,394
keeps on becoming better over time and not

1068
00:40:14,454 --> 00:40:15,675
is not going to become

1069
00:40:15,974 --> 00:40:18,135
outdated. It's going to be just better over

1070
00:40:18,135 --> 00:40:19,530
time. And I think that's

1071
00:40:20,090 --> 00:40:22,170
part of what I really loved about the

1072
00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:23,710
innovation space, innovation

1073
00:40:24,010 --> 00:40:26,570
happening around IT is that that, that has

1074
00:40:26,570 --> 00:40:28,730
become the new de facto standard in how

1075
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:30,750
you develop software and great software.

1076
00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:33,289
And I think we in, in, in the

1077
00:40:33,289 --> 00:40:35,465
OT space, we need to adopt that same

1078
00:40:35,465 --> 00:40:35,965
methodology

1079
00:40:36,265 --> 00:40:38,605
of developing software, something that continuously

1080
00:40:38,905 --> 00:40:40,905
becomes better over time. Yeah. And I would

1081
00:40:40,905 --> 00:40:42,344
just say, you know, if you're if you're

1082
00:40:42,344 --> 00:40:44,284
on the OT side of things,

1083
00:40:44,744 --> 00:40:46,585
you wanna be in six eleven thirty one

1084
00:40:46,585 --> 00:40:47,724
dash three languages,

1085
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:51,050
because these are things that your staff, you

1086
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:53,150
know, what you know, your electricians and technicians

1087
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:54,190
and even engineers,

1088
00:40:54,809 --> 00:40:56,329
you know, should know, should be getting up

1089
00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:57,530
to speed. I don't know. We're at the

1090
00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:59,950
automation school. We're teaching, structured text.

1091
00:41:00,264 --> 00:41:01,085
And so,

1092
00:41:01,945 --> 00:41:03,545
easier. I look at this, and I'm like,

1093
00:41:03,545 --> 00:41:04,905
this is a lot easier than trying to

1094
00:41:04,905 --> 00:41:05,405
learn

1095
00:41:05,704 --> 00:41:07,405
c plus or or JavaScript.

1096
00:41:08,824 --> 00:41:10,824
So in any case, I think, you know,

1097
00:41:10,824 --> 00:41:14,184
if it's an OT side real IO control,

1098
00:41:14,184 --> 00:41:16,140
real control system or data collection,

1099
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:18,920
you know, you know, very important, you know,

1100
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,380
mission critical data collection,

1101
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,159
then,

1102
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,800
you know, I'd rather have this than somebody

1103
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,400
trying to write some custom code for me

1104
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,320
and, you know, use some kind of computer

1105
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,699
language who doesn't understand,

1106
00:41:29,094 --> 00:41:31,195
you know, the OT side of things. So,

1107
00:41:31,655 --> 00:41:33,574
I could definitely see the advantage of your

1108
00:41:33,574 --> 00:41:34,474
system, Henrik.

1109
00:41:35,175 --> 00:41:35,675
Yep.

1110
00:41:35,974 --> 00:41:37,494
I I I also wanted to say to

1111
00:41:37,494 --> 00:41:40,135
that, Stike, the I I do not believe

1112
00:41:40,135 --> 00:41:40,795
the EIC

1113
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,380
standards in general will disappear.

1114
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,260
They exist for a very good reason. Right.

1115
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:49,760
Exists to standardise to to ensure safety and

1116
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:50,260
determinists,

1117
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,179
determinism in this.

1118
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,644
So I don't think they will disappear. But

1119
00:41:54,885 --> 00:41:57,445
there are obviously advances now with AI and

1120
00:41:57,445 --> 00:41:59,525
things like that that can can help us

1121
00:41:59,525 --> 00:42:02,405
create these things much faster and much more

1122
00:42:02,405 --> 00:42:04,025
efficient and things like that. So, so

1123
00:42:04,324 --> 00:42:04,804
but,

1124
00:42:05,125 --> 00:42:07,445
but the EIC standards, I think, will be

1125
00:42:07,445 --> 00:42:09,125
there for a very long time. Obviously, the

1126
00:42:09,125 --> 00:42:10,400
06/4099

1127
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,180
standard is is really exciting,

1128
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,300
and and we believe that that can be,

1129
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,760
yeah, that that can clearly be there, but

1130
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,019
it's still a new EIC standard. So,

1131
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:21,440
it's not

1132
00:42:22,315 --> 00:42:23,675
think what we're gonna see is we're gonna

1133
00:42:23,675 --> 00:42:25,994
see a lot more libraries fleshed out. There'll

1134
00:42:25,994 --> 00:42:26,974
be a lot less

1135
00:42:27,594 --> 00:42:30,235
writing from scratch. We've interviewed on the History

1136
00:42:30,235 --> 00:42:32,894
of Automation podcast. We've interviewed some big integrators,

1137
00:42:33,515 --> 00:42:35,114
and they're at a point now, you know,

1138
00:42:35,114 --> 00:42:37,349
twenty, thirty years on that they have libraries

1139
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:39,510
for everything. And I think that's where we'll

1140
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:41,670
see, you know, much like the DCS, I

1141
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:44,630
think, vendors went two years ago. But I

1142
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:46,470
still think that the there's a reason for

1143
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:48,150
these languages. There's a reason to be able

1144
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:50,214
to edit things while they run. There's a

1145
00:42:50,214 --> 00:42:53,094
reason for different languages for different applications and

1146
00:42:53,094 --> 00:42:53,594
different,

1147
00:42:54,295 --> 00:42:56,855
people maintaining them. So I agree with you

1148
00:42:56,855 --> 00:42:58,554
on that. I don't I don't think we're

1149
00:42:58,694 --> 00:43:00,855
we're gonna see the end of these, these

1150
00:43:00,855 --> 00:43:02,934
standard languages that have done us very well

1151
00:43:02,934 --> 00:43:05,514
since the, you know, nineteen seventies.

1152
00:43:06,659 --> 00:43:08,420
I just wanna add a bit on there

1153
00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:08,900
about,

1154
00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:12,280
Sean, you mentioned, you know, doing less code.

1155
00:43:13,859 --> 00:43:16,099
I I did show earlier in the bottom

1156
00:43:16,099 --> 00:43:18,420
right hand corner here, we have our our

1157
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:19,719
little AI assistant,

1158
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:21,000
Martha.

1159
00:43:22,235 --> 00:43:24,235
I don't believe the feature, it has been

1160
00:43:24,235 --> 00:43:26,155
released yet. You know, Henrik, correct me if

1161
00:43:26,155 --> 00:43:27,695
I'm wrong, but I know

1162
00:43:28,155 --> 00:43:30,175
one of the things that's coming is,

1163
00:43:31,114 --> 00:43:32,255
AI code generation,

1164
00:43:33,035 --> 00:43:34,889
you know, similar to that of cloud or

1165
00:43:34,889 --> 00:43:35,550
chat GPT.

1166
00:43:36,010 --> 00:43:37,469
So it's going to,

1167
00:43:38,010 --> 00:43:38,670
you know,

1168
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:40,829
you can open this guy up here.

1169
00:43:41,530 --> 00:43:42,889
You know, right right now, I think it's

1170
00:43:42,889 --> 00:43:44,989
just for, help topics, but

1171
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:47,070
you'll be able to talk to Martha

1172
00:43:47,574 --> 00:43:49,414
and she's gonna generate code for you in

1173
00:43:49,414 --> 00:43:50,474
your program there

1174
00:43:51,015 --> 00:43:52,074
all built in.

1175
00:43:53,015 --> 00:43:55,735
Yeah. Yeah. That's that's coming really fast now.

1176
00:43:55,735 --> 00:43:56,235
So,

1177
00:43:56,855 --> 00:43:59,175
it's it's not been implemented yet, but it's,

1178
00:43:59,655 --> 00:44:01,355
it's right around the corner.

1179
00:44:02,139 --> 00:44:03,900
Yeah. And it's it's not gonna be able

1180
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:05,579
to it's you're not gonna be able to

1181
00:44:05,579 --> 00:44:06,780
hook a camera up to it and, like,

1182
00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:09,099
take pictures of your machine and say, okay.

1183
00:44:09,099 --> 00:44:11,260
Write the control code for this. But, you

1184
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:13,179
know, if you had a, you know, process

1185
00:44:13,179 --> 00:44:14,625
that had 12 steps in it,

1186
00:44:15,184 --> 00:44:17,425
the AI could definitely help you generate that

1187
00:44:17,425 --> 00:44:19,344
code and and other code. And we'll have

1188
00:44:19,344 --> 00:44:21,744
to have Henrik and Jake back on to

1189
00:44:21,744 --> 00:44:23,425
talk about that when it comes out, but,

1190
00:44:23,425 --> 00:44:24,945
you know, it's gonna be able to save

1191
00:44:24,945 --> 00:44:27,840
you, reduce the tedious part of the the

1192
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,440
coding. You know, if you need an array

1193
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,860
of so many tags and so many dimensions

1194
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,840
or, you know, the stuff that, you know,

1195
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,940
it would just be the typing intensive,

1196
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,680
it's gonna be able to help you with

1197
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,119
that, and then you can actually put the

1198
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:41,215
context in there. Just like,

1199
00:44:41,594 --> 00:44:43,515
you can pull up a template in Word

1200
00:44:43,515 --> 00:44:45,275
for a letter, and then you can fill

1201
00:44:45,275 --> 00:44:47,594
in the blanks. You know? And and, of

1202
00:44:47,594 --> 00:44:50,175
course, AI is helping make that easier too.

1203
00:44:50,315 --> 00:44:52,315
But, in any case, Henrik, maybe you can

1204
00:44:52,315 --> 00:44:53,909
come back on when that feature launches.

1205
00:44:54,469 --> 00:44:57,829
Yeah. Absolutely. And I'm also excited about just

1206
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:58,650
a simple

1207
00:44:59,030 --> 00:45:02,230
a use case of of translating something. Right?

1208
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:04,469
Translating your existing let's say if it's a

1209
00:45:04,469 --> 00:45:04,969
proprietary

1210
00:45:05,269 --> 00:45:07,589
code or something like that, like, getting it

1211
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:10,255
getting it standardized and translating it to the

1212
00:45:10,255 --> 00:45:12,735
ESE six eleven thirty one standard, for instance,

1213
00:45:12,735 --> 00:45:13,235
or,

1214
00:45:13,934 --> 00:45:17,375
so so the obviously AI is, like, perfect

1215
00:45:17,375 --> 00:45:19,635
for this space. It's there is no doubt,

1216
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:21,369
And and it's,

1217
00:45:22,469 --> 00:45:24,550
like, that's also why I'm so excited about,

1218
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:26,150
like, what's going on at the moment. It's

1219
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:27,530
like there's so much innovation

1220
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:28,730
potential,

1221
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:31,190
in the on the OT side now that,

1222
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:33,369
they are with all these new technologies.

1223
00:45:34,735 --> 00:45:36,114
Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

1224
00:45:36,414 --> 00:45:38,335
Well, gentlemen, was there anything else you wanted

1225
00:45:38,335 --> 00:45:38,914
to cover?

1226
00:45:40,974 --> 00:45:43,054
I think just just one final thing from

1227
00:45:43,054 --> 00:45:45,135
from me is, like, we thought a lot

1228
00:45:45,135 --> 00:45:47,534
about it, like, before this this episode, and

1229
00:45:47,534 --> 00:45:49,769
we thought, like, let's offer let's offer the

1230
00:45:49,769 --> 00:45:52,989
listeners something something of of true value. So

1231
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:53,950
so we thought,

1232
00:45:54,809 --> 00:45:55,309
the,

1233
00:45:55,769 --> 00:45:58,650
you know, after this after this episode launched,

1234
00:45:58,650 --> 00:45:59,550
we want to

1235
00:45:59,849 --> 00:46:01,469
want to offer anyone

1236
00:46:01,849 --> 00:46:03,150
out there that's listening

1237
00:46:03,704 --> 00:46:04,844
a free, completely

1238
00:46:05,144 --> 00:46:07,005
hands on trial of our technology,

1239
00:46:08,425 --> 00:46:10,505
in their in their in their environment or

1240
00:46:10,505 --> 00:46:12,204
on their Raspberry Pi or whatever.

1241
00:46:12,825 --> 00:46:14,585
So just just reach out to us if

1242
00:46:14,585 --> 00:46:15,570
you wanna do that.

1243
00:46:16,369 --> 00:46:16,769
And,

1244
00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:18,849
and I yeah. We'll get you set up

1245
00:46:18,849 --> 00:46:21,250
for for for testing this, and it's not

1246
00:46:21,250 --> 00:46:22,390
gonna cost you anything.

1247
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:25,410
Well, that's great. And, guys, if you're listening,

1248
00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:27,250
if you do take advantage of that free

1249
00:46:27,250 --> 00:46:27,750
trial,

1250
00:46:28,210 --> 00:46:29,890
please let me know what you thought about

1251
00:46:29,890 --> 00:46:32,465
it. But, Henrik, thank you so much for,

1252
00:46:32,785 --> 00:46:35,184
that offer to our listening audience. Guys, don't

1253
00:46:35,184 --> 00:46:37,025
be bashful. Reach out to him. Reach out

1254
00:46:37,025 --> 00:46:38,945
to Jake. Jake, thank you for doing the

1255
00:46:38,945 --> 00:46:40,885
demo as well. Really appreciate it.

1256
00:46:41,184 --> 00:46:41,925
My pleasure.

1257
00:46:42,465 --> 00:46:44,885
Any final words, Henrik, before we close out?

1258
00:46:44,945 --> 00:46:47,519
No. It's been great. Great, being here, Sean,

1259
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:49,219
and thanks for for helping us.

1260
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:50,880
Well, I hope you enjoyed that episode. I

1261
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,960
wanna thank Hendrik and Jacob for coming on

1262
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,519
the show, telling us all about OT virtual

1263
00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:57,440
PLCs, and then giving us a demo. I

1264
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,119
thought it was really cool. Now if any

1265
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,200
of you guys take them up on their

1266
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,855
free trial, please let me know what you

1267
00:47:02,855 --> 00:47:04,855
think. I'd love to hear from you. And,

1268
00:47:05,094 --> 00:47:07,094
with that, I do wanna thank OT for

1269
00:47:07,094 --> 00:47:08,934
sponsoring this episode so we could release it

1270
00:47:08,934 --> 00:47:11,175
completely ad free. And I also wanna thank

1271
00:47:11,175 --> 00:47:13,114
you for tuning back in this week.

1272
00:47:13,734 --> 00:47:16,500
We have another podcast coming out next week.

1273
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:18,579
It'll be early because I will be traveling

1274
00:47:18,579 --> 00:47:20,280
and doing an event with a vendor.

1275
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:22,500
And so expect that instead of coming out

1276
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:24,420
on Wednesday to come out on Monday if

1277
00:47:24,420 --> 00:47:25,559
all goes as planned.

1278
00:47:25,860 --> 00:47:28,119
And then we will be skipping the Thanksgiving,

1279
00:47:28,660 --> 00:47:30,784
week, and then we'll be back in the

1280
00:47:30,784 --> 00:47:32,545
in the, in December, and then we have

1281
00:47:32,545 --> 00:47:34,385
shows lined up for the new year already

1282
00:47:34,385 --> 00:47:36,784
as well. So thank you for being a

1283
00:47:36,784 --> 00:47:39,984
listener, a viewer, and, please, wherever you're consuming

1284
00:47:39,984 --> 00:47:42,944
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1285
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1286
00:47:47,110 --> 00:47:48,250
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1287
00:47:48,550 --> 00:47:49,289
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1288
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:51,110
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1289
00:47:51,110 --> 00:47:53,269
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1290
00:47:53,269 --> 00:47:56,309
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1291
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:58,454
new vendors to come on the show. And

1292
00:47:58,454 --> 00:48:00,474
with that, I'm gonna end by wishing you

1293
00:48:00,934 --> 00:48:03,414
good health and happiness. And until next time,

1294
00:48:03,414 --> 00:48:04,075
my friends,

1295
00:48:05,015 --> 00:48:05,515
peace.