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Welcome to the Swallow Your Pride podcast. I'm

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your host, Teresa Richard. I'm a board certified

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specialist in swallowing and swallowing disorders,

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a mobile thieves business owner, and founder of

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the MedSLP Collective.

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This podcast is all about delivering the latest

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evidence based practice to medical

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SLPs everywhere.

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Whether you're a new clinician seeking tangible tools

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for treatment or a seasoned vet stuck in

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a rut, my goal is to help ditch

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the old school ways of the past that

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no longer serve you or your patients, to

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reinvigorate your passion for our field, to broaden

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your knowledge about our scope of practice, and

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to inspire you to practice at the top

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of your license. So if you're listening, I

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encourage you to swallow your pride, be open

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and willing to learn because let's face it,

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your patients deserve that kind of care. With

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that, let's dive right in.

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Just a quick disclaimer that all statements and

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opinions expressed in this episode do not reflect

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on the organizations

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associated with the speakers and are their own

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opinions solely. Alright. Good afternoon, Ally. Hi, Theresa.

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How are you? Good. Thank you so much

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for joining me. Yeah. Thanks so much for

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having me. I have been listening to your

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podcast since it came out in 2017.

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Oh, wow. Yes. Awesome. Yeah.

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It's been such a supportive,

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like, quick

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educational,

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opportunity. It it came out when I was

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still a a clinical fellow myself. So Oh

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my gosh. Thank you for, like, having this

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podcast as a very accessible educational resource for

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all of us. Yeah. Awesome. And now full

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circle, you're on it. So awesome. Alright. So

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yeah. So today's guest is Allie Roberts. She's

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a North Carolina based SLP and the founder

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of NaturallyNectar.

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With a decade of experience across acute care,

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LTCH, and inpatient rehab, Allie has spent her

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career at the intersection of complex dysphasia management

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and patient advocacy.

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Driven by a passion for patient centered care,

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Ally founded Naturally Nectar to bridge the gap

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between medical need and dignified dining. Her company

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reimagines thickened liquids by creating IDDSI level two

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clean ingredient smoothies thickened with natural fruit fiber

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rather than traditional starch or gum thickeners. Ally

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earned her bachelor's from Appalachian State University and

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her master's from Gallaudet. When she's not innovating

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in the dysphagia space, she's likely enjoying a

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group exercise class or enjoying the outdoors

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love that, Ally. And I just wanna say

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I absolutely love the entire approach you've taken

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to creating this product, and I can't wait

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to chat more about it. But it was

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just so,

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no pun intended, natural.

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out to me. You've reached out to people

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on our team. We just had conversations about

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it. You had people try the product. You

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sent them surveys. And the more I got

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talking to you, you know, you were like,

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well, I just wanna get feedback from people,

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see if it's even a viable product. And

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I think that's just what I wanna emphasize

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to so many business owners out there. So

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many people dump so much time and resources

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into things

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because they think it's the exact product without

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getting feedback and iterations from other SLPs. So

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I've loved the whole way you've built this,

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marketed it because I think it's just spot

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on and it's so many lessons here for

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for other SLPs because I know there's a

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a ton of brilliant SLPs out there that

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have ideas brewing and just Yeah. Don't know

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where to start. So, from that point, Ali,

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go ahead and share a little bit about

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yourself, your background, why we're here, where this

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came from. Take it away. K. Thank you

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so much. Thank you. That was, so kind

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of you to say.

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approach through and through.

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with adults and started in a long term

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acute care facility where I really got to

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been my home where I just, like, am

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always problem solving, seeing different patients every day.

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yeah, for the rest of my career. I

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and do outpatient swallow study. So I really

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get to see everyone, like, across the spectrum

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of care, which I think is so important

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for us as clinicians because, you know, the,

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elephant in the room is thick and liquids.

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on thick and liquids, and the research is

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If there always needs to be more research,

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I hope I can be a part of

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that. I hope naturally, Nectar can be a

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part of the research space one day soon.

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But, you know, it just brings us back

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to the bedside and that we have to

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take each patient case by case. And,

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you know, the research support that I take

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from an article might, you know, be perfect

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for one patient, but it might not be

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the most supportive evidence for another patient just

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depending how they're doing in that moment.

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diets,

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folks clinically different if I'm treating someone at

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the bedside and they are, like, day one

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post stroke or they have a bunch of

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comorbidities

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versus, you know, my patient who has had

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head and neck cancer and they have chronic

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radiation treatment. You know, they handle a lot

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more aspiration,

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without that risk of

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lesser risk of aspiration pneumonia. So that's my

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background. And, naturally, nectar was sparked from my

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patients, from treating patients over the years and

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just hearing the same old tired complaints of,

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like, I don't wanna drink this. This is

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gross. You drink this. And,

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totally compliant and they're like, oh, this is

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great. And I have had folks who say,

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actually, like, let's try thickening. Like, it gives

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them more confidence. So it just speaks to,

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again, coming back to, like, putting our patients

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first and talking to our patients and their

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caregivers and what they need.

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that, Ally, because I think I've had a

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lot of humbling moments in my career.

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most humbled I felt was when I just

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assumed everybody wanted to work so hard to

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get off thickened liquids. And it almost surprised

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me when I had patients that said, well,

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I honestly I don't mind them, and I

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know I'm at a lesser risk of aspiration

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being on them. So I would just rather

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be on them than do therapy, and I'm

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okay with it. And I heard that a

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few times, and I was just absolutely floored.

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beginning of my crusade of, like, patient centered

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care,

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you know, and and saying that, you know,

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I've I've as I've shared, I've been humbled

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with my son's experience of getting him a

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feeding tube too. You know? I just assume

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nobody wants to have a feeding tube, and

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and I've been greatly humbled by how much

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of an impact it's had on us in

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a positive way. And so I I think

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it's it's so interesting that we, as clinicians

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ourselves, have these cognitive biases about things we

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assume our patients want or don't want without

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even having these conversations. So, yeah, you're so

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right that, you know, some patients really just

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don't mind being on the thickened liquid. So

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then how do we make it the best,

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most nutritious product for them that we can?

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about your son actually the other day because

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I appreciate how much you share,

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with your audience. And I had a patient,

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like, just when it comes to modified diets

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a a patient with special needs whose,

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mom we were trying to get him back

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to his regular diet or I was, I

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should say. And we got him to, like,

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a minced and moist diet safely, and the

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big concern was eating a 100% because he

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didn't have, like, another source of nutrition.

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know, having

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eating issues, and she's like, actually,

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we're good here. You know, once we got

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to midst and where she's like, he's eating

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further. And he's like, that's fine. That's great.

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in my, you know, diet advancement brain of,

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like, least restrictive diet to turn it off

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and say, you know what? Right now, this

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is where they're at and this is what

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they need, and this is gonna help him

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get home and get back to his his

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previous level as function his normal. That's what

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I'm, yeah, out to do with naturally nectar

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because those folks who do avoid thickened liquids,

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I I have seen folks come in and

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out of the hospital, you know, working in

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multiple settings. You see that

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sometimes or you can, like, filter

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and find your notes from a year ago

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and they're like, oh, I saw this person

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like a year ago for a swallow study

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and they're in with respiratory issues

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picking liquid. So it's having that conversation

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of what works for them. And I have

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a, like, interesting story, one of those stories

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I treated someone in inpatient rehab for a

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a few times. I'm a contract employee of

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PRN, so I'm kind of sporadic with who

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I get to see. But they had he

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had a brainstem stroke and had pretty significant

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dysarthria and dysphagia and discharged

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on thickened liquids, on nectar thick liquids,

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and I think a regular diet,

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but did not like them. And I remember

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this was before I actually had Naturally Nectar

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smoothies bottled and ready, but I was telling

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them, like, just make a smoothie. Right? Get

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yourself a good blender, and and we'll talk

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a little bit more about that. But get

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a really good blender and use yogurt, use

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bananas, use fruit to make a thickened liquid.

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we can actually measure that so easily. When

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years ago, we're using, like, a spoon tilt

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test and, like, oh, I think that looks

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nectar thick.

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is so precise and so great. Well, fast

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study over a year later. It's like, wow.

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This is a cry. I can't believe I

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get to see you again, but what's going

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on? And I'm like, we're just, I'm coughing.

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I'm coughing all the time. And he had

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been advanced at Thin Liquid safely, and they

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had found that, like, a head turn strategy

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was good. It was scaring him, and it

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was scaring his wife even though he had

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no history of pneumonia. And we did the

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swallow study again and kind of found the

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same results. Like, you can drink them liquids

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without aspirating, but you hang your head to

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the left. And

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cognitively, that that was a little tricky for

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him. But with nectar thick liquids, he didn't

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have to do a strategy. He could drink.

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He could, like, drink multiple sips and be

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just fine. So we had a conversation again

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about

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what

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makes you feel the most confident, make what

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makes you feel comfortable.

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You know, you can drink thin liquids. We

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we have pretty good support that you're not

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gonna get aspiration pneumonia, but this cough is

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scaring you. He's at home for long periods

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of time by himself. So that's where we

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had to go back and talk about, well,

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you know, you can do it doesn't have

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to be one or the other. You can

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do both and and revisited that that smoothie

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situation too. So I found that sometimes

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diet modifications

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give people a little bit more confidence in

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certain scenarios,

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which

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I I don't think sometimes we realize as

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clinicians how

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anxiety

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provoking dysphagia can be for people Yeah. And

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hearing people's stories. Like, it just to live

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with that anxiety

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with every meal can can be really stressful.

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So if we can do anything to make

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that easier, I think that is, like, part

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of our scope of practice. Yeah. Yeah. Thank

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thank you for sharing that, Ali. It's I've

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experienced that same thing with my son too

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is, you know, we've gotten the modifieds. We've

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we've done the swallow studies, and he does

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not

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aspirate. But the crazy thing is he gets

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these awful coughing fits with very thin liquid.

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So, you know, I usually we usually give

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him, you know, yogurt smoothies and things like

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that to begin with. He just does better

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with things that are thicker,

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not from an aspiration standpoint, but once he

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gets those coughing attacks, he doesn't want to

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drink anymore, you know, to him, you know,

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that's his, his body and where he is

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cognitively, that's just saying, you know, this is

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danger no more, you know? And when he

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has those coughing fits, he just shuts down.

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So we try to do whatever we can

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not to have those in the first place.

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So, yeah, so many interesting,

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you know, perspectives to consider and and just

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all patient centered care and how how can

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we just help our patients get what they

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want, you know, regardless of what we think

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they want. So, yeah, like I said, Ally,

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I I've just loved watching this whole journey.

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I feel like I've been on this journey

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with you whether you feel like I have

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or not. I've I've decided I am.

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But, yeah, tell us where we are now.

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Because I know last I spoke with you,

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you were in in the makeup phase, and

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and I just loved everything you were doing.

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So catch us up to speed. Yeah. Okay.

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Sure. Yeah. So right now, I have one,

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packaged

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shelf stable ready to drink smoothie. It's banana

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flavored.

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Some people do not like bananas, which I

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get. We learned that. Yes. Some people

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yes. Yes. I got some very funny reactions

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at ASHA that I will forever cherish. Yes.

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Yes. But then some people love it. And,

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so that's the flavor. Now I have, before

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researching and figuring out the manufacturing side of

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things, and I've had some wonderful food scientist

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help me with this because food is like

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yeah. Incredible. Absolutely incredible.

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How they can take, you know, something that

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you make in your kitchen and get it

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manufacture ready and shelf stable and safe safe

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for people because last thing that we want

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is anyone getting harmed.

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So I have bunches of recipes that I'm

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just ready to, you know, step by step

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get them manufactured,

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so that people have more variety.

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And the other question everyone asks is when

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are when does Honey Fit come out? When

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does moderately thick come out? It's like, well,

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that's it. That That will be another Back

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in the kitchen, Ally. Back in the kitchen.

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Back in the kitchen. Back to the plunder.

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Yeah.

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That will that will be coming. But I

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do wanna get folks more flavors,

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before going back to the drawing board and

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and doing moderately thick just because,

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I I feel like that's been the most

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feedback that I have received. And I do

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feel like, clinically, we tend to lean more

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you see people on nectar thick a little

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bit more than any thick or moderately thick.

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Now I have I recently talked with some

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pediatric speech pathologists and they're like, oh, well,

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we're ready for that honey thick because they,

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tend to use it a little bit more

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and work on that weaning. But, yeah, it's

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been a fun journey. It's been,

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a passion project. I don't think I knew

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what I was getting myself. You did not

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all, which I love that so much.

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It has been all consuming, and it's been

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great to have a supportive family and friends

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too too. It makes all the difference. It

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truly does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so so

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talk to me, Ali. I love what you

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just said there is so without giving away

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your, you know, proprietary recipe or anything like

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that, I know the main ingredient in that,

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in the stability of the nectar is the

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banana. So if you are able to do

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other flavors, are you thinking I'm still leaving

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that banana base, or are you looking to

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create your recipe with some different fruit fibers?

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I'm just I'm so curious because I think

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this is so cool. Yeah. I love that

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you asked that too because that's one of

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my fruit fun facts is that you don't

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want to blend bananas

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with a lot of other fruit and vegetables

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because they have a special enzyme that, like,

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takes away the wonderful antioxidant properties of a

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lot of fruit and vegetables.

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And actually,

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speech pathologist at ASHA surprised me with this

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question. She's like, did you know? I was

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like, actually, I did. That's one that's one

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I know.

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So even if you're making a smoothie at

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home, you want to do the banana by

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itself. You know, if you're gonna do a

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banana smoothie, you don't wanna mix it with

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blueberries. Blueberries have wonderful,

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antioxidant properties that support like cardiovascular

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health, cognitive health.

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So keep the bananas

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by themselves. They don't play well with others.

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So banana will be I I do have

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plans to use it in a coffee because

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it is a nice thickener, and I've got

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a banoffee coffee recipe that is, in my

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opinion, one of the best. When you get

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that, I will drink that.

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Yes. Definitely.

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Absolutely.

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But as far as some other fruit recipes,

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like, I was talking about blueberries, like, blueberries

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will be by themselves without the banana. And,

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blueberries are fun to play with too because

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they've got a lot of pectin in them.

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So if you think of your jams and

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jellies,

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like, they've got this natural thickening property

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about them.

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So if you make a blueberry if you

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experiment at home, you are making the blueberry

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smoothie and you you're like, okay, I did

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a couple blueberries to about a cup of

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water and it comes out too thin. Let

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it sit on the counter for about thirty

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minutes because that bad boy will get to

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be about an extra thick consistency or even

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honey thick depending on your ratios.

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And some other supportive ingredients that I wanna

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play with or have been playing with are

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cheese seeds. They are a nice natural thickener.

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They create like a gel when they're soaked.

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Is that and it's also just really healthy

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for you in general to do like a

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chia pudding or chia seed, beverage.

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You soak chia seeds for a few hours.

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And, but if you are using them in

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a smoothie, you really want a high powered

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blender

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to cut through the chia seed and really

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get it down to a smooth consistency.

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I've learned that not all blenders are created

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equal with this experimentation,

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this process.

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And,

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I am not supported by Vitamix. I'm not

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associated with them, but a Vitamix blender is

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what I always

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recommend to my patients if they are the

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kind of

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individual who's like, I'm gonna do this myself.

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You know? I'm gonna make my own smoothies.

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It's a great in a Vitamix blender. Because

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if you wanna add seeds and nuts, that

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mix really chops it down so nicely.

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Yeah. Actually, you puree

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food for your son. Right? Do you guys

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have a special food processor? We do. I

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do sometimes. Yeah. For the most part, I

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try to just keep things pretty easy,

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you know, like mashed potatoes, things like that

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for him.

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But, yeah, we I I do have a

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Vitamix. My, I do have a nanny that

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helps out making him food too, and sometimes

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she'll just use, like, a magic bullet. But

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if it's Mhmm. You know, because that's easier

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to get out than the whole big Vitamix.

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But if we're doing, like I'll because I'll

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we'll prep his food so we have it

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in the freezer for months just so we

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have I just pull a few bags out

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to send to school for lunch every day.

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So we'll get out the middle of Vitamix

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when we do that. Yeah. I actually

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I had it it broke last year. I

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think I'd had it for probably twelve years

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to begin with, and it broke, and we

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put it in we sent it to get

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refurbished.

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That was still probably the best $300 I've

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ever spent was to even, like, continue getting

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it refurbished because it just works

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so well. So, yeah, I have zero affiliation

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to Vitamix either. I just I yes.

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It's a wonderful, wonderful tool.

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I never thought I would spend so much

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on a blender. Correct. Correct. Correct. I I

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remember when I I remember when I was

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married, and I I told my my husband

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at the time. I said, you know, I

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really want this Vitamix for Christmas or my

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birthday or whatever. And he was like, is

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this a trick? Like, I you want me

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to buy you a blender and you're not

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gonna be mad that you got a blender?

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I'm like, no. This is what I want.

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I promise.

523
00:19:07,369 --> 00:19:07,609
Like

524
00:19:08,890 --> 00:19:12,250
Big, fancy blender. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I

525
00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:13,609
will not be sad. I got a blender

526
00:19:13,609 --> 00:19:15,845
for Christmas. I will be ecstatic. Yes.

527
00:19:16,944 --> 00:19:18,785
It's part of growing up. We ask for

528
00:19:18,785 --> 00:19:21,424
household appliances. Yeah. It is. That is. That's

529
00:19:21,424 --> 00:19:23,424
adulting at its finest. Yeah. Oh my god.

530
00:19:23,424 --> 00:19:25,505
Okay. So alright. So, Ally, so you have

531
00:19:25,505 --> 00:19:27,664
the one you have the one product now.

532
00:19:27,664 --> 00:19:30,169
You're looking to expand the product suite. Where

533
00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:33,049
can people get the product now? Yeah. Great

534
00:19:33,049 --> 00:19:36,829
question. So directly from my website, naturalnectar.org

535
00:19:36,970 --> 00:19:37,470
slash,

536
00:19:37,849 --> 00:19:40,169
order is the easiest way right now. I

537
00:19:40,169 --> 00:19:42,490
am looking to try to get into some

538
00:19:42,490 --> 00:19:44,589
pharmacies, especially local pharmacies,

539
00:19:45,855 --> 00:19:48,894
and other local stores. So if you're listening

540
00:19:48,894 --> 00:19:50,654
to this and you're like, I know someone

541
00:19:50,654 --> 00:19:52,414
at our local pharmacy and I want them

542
00:19:52,414 --> 00:19:54,095
to carry it or if your clinic wants

543
00:19:54,095 --> 00:19:56,195
to carry it, I do offer wholesale prices

544
00:19:56,414 --> 00:19:58,275
to make it a little bit more affordable

545
00:19:58,335 --> 00:20:00,734
and accessible for people because that's my main

546
00:20:00,734 --> 00:20:02,549
goal goal is to to get it to

547
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:05,109
the point where people can easily access it,

548
00:20:05,109 --> 00:20:07,369
whether it's, like, going to their pharmacy.

549
00:20:07,670 --> 00:20:10,329
Hopefully, one day ordering off of Amazon. Haven't

550
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:13,190
quite gotten there yet. So right now, available

551
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:13,690
online,

552
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:14,684
but

553
00:20:15,164 --> 00:20:18,205
happy to to hear any recommendations if anyone's

554
00:20:18,205 --> 00:20:19,825
like, you need to be in this pharmacy.

555
00:20:20,285 --> 00:20:22,525
So that's where I'm at right now. So

556
00:20:22,525 --> 00:20:24,845
if you're thinking of making thickened liquids at

557
00:20:24,845 --> 00:20:26,365
home, if you've got a patient and a

558
00:20:26,365 --> 00:20:29,500
care giver who, you know, feel confident taking

559
00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:31,819
that on and and want to put that

560
00:20:31,819 --> 00:20:33,899
time into that, you know, we talked about

561
00:20:33,899 --> 00:20:35,440
a high speed blender.

562
00:20:36,139 --> 00:20:38,000
I have found that Vitamix is great.

563
00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:41,325
Another great tool is a food scale because

564
00:20:41,325 --> 00:20:43,325
once you find a good recipe that you

565
00:20:43,325 --> 00:20:46,065
like, having that recipe written down in grams

566
00:20:46,204 --> 00:20:47,345
and with that precision

567
00:20:48,125 --> 00:20:50,365
is really helpful so that you can repeat

568
00:20:50,365 --> 00:20:52,684
it. And I actually do have a recipe

569
00:20:52,684 --> 00:20:54,365
that I don't plan to package because it's

570
00:20:54,365 --> 00:20:55,769
a little complex. It's got a lot of

571
00:20:55,769 --> 00:20:56,269
ingredients.

572
00:20:56,809 --> 00:20:59,450
A recipe on my website that, I think

573
00:20:59,450 --> 00:21:01,450
it's called a tropical green smoothie. It's got

574
00:21:01,450 --> 00:21:03,789
a lot of good supportive ingredients in there,

575
00:21:04,809 --> 00:21:07,529
but it's everything's measured out in grams so

576
00:21:07,529 --> 00:21:10,065
that it's really precise and people can follow

577
00:21:10,065 --> 00:21:11,044
it really easily.

578
00:21:11,744 --> 00:21:14,724
And then, of course, our famous IDDSI syringe.

579
00:21:15,024 --> 00:21:15,524
Right?

580
00:21:15,904 --> 00:21:19,184
And IDDSI makes a syringe that or a

581
00:21:19,184 --> 00:21:21,825
funnel that's very easy to read that you

582
00:21:21,825 --> 00:21:22,565
can purchase.

583
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,299
It has a nice

584
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,759
open barrel at the top so that you

585
00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:28,840
can pour your liquid in there and measure

586
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,840
it easily. But I found that a lot

587
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,840
of hospitals carry they've got a couple other

588
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,994
syringes on their website that they say is

589
00:21:35,315 --> 00:21:37,734
compliant with, you know, the flow test.

590
00:21:38,035 --> 00:21:39,255
And this one is

591
00:21:39,634 --> 00:21:41,255
that I use is the BD

592
00:21:41,875 --> 00:21:42,375
Lurelok

593
00:21:43,234 --> 00:21:44,454
10 ml syringe.

594
00:21:44,994 --> 00:21:47,009
And I believe there's a slip tip too,

595
00:21:47,089 --> 00:21:48,849
and I always grab these if I have

596
00:21:48,849 --> 00:21:51,089
someone leaving on nectar thick liquids. Even if

597
00:21:51,089 --> 00:21:53,410
they're not making smoothies, even if they're using

598
00:21:53,410 --> 00:21:55,650
simply thick or thick it or any other

599
00:21:55,650 --> 00:21:57,809
thickener, I'll grab this so that they can

600
00:21:57,809 --> 00:21:58,630
feel confident

601
00:21:59,089 --> 00:22:01,045
doing a flow test if they want to.

602
00:22:01,285 --> 00:22:03,204
Because too many times we have people say,

603
00:22:03,204 --> 00:22:04,884
well, I just kept thickening it because, like,

604
00:22:04,884 --> 00:22:06,244
I didn't feel like it was getting thick

605
00:22:06,244 --> 00:22:08,325
enough. It's like, woah. Woah. Woah. You're gonna

606
00:22:08,325 --> 00:22:10,744
end up with putting thick liquids here.

607
00:22:11,605 --> 00:22:13,684
So I always grab one of these for

608
00:22:13,684 --> 00:22:16,500
for my patients and, of course, a timer

609
00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:18,339
and teach them how to do we all

610
00:22:18,339 --> 00:22:20,179
have timers on our phone. And this is

611
00:22:20,179 --> 00:22:22,819
this is how naturally Nectar started. It started,

612
00:22:22,819 --> 00:22:25,079
like, in my kitchen playing with these recipes.

613
00:22:25,299 --> 00:22:28,119
I kinda went a little overboard and started

614
00:22:28,365 --> 00:22:28,865
microwaving

615
00:22:29,325 --> 00:22:31,325
my recipes too or putting them in the

616
00:22:31,325 --> 00:22:33,565
fridge to make sure they stayed consistent through

617
00:22:33,565 --> 00:22:36,144
and through, stayed within that nectar thick consistency.

618
00:22:37,085 --> 00:22:40,204
But that is all the materials I can

619
00:22:40,204 --> 00:22:42,444
think of that you would use other than

620
00:22:42,444 --> 00:22:43,184
your ingredients,

621
00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:46,279
to make your own nectar thick smoothies or

622
00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:47,820
honey thick smoothies at home.

623
00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:49,480
Awesome. Well, like I said, I've I've just

624
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,840
loved this so much, Ally. I love the

625
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,519
way you've gone about creating the whole thing.

626
00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:54,440
And, you know, I I she had come

627
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,340
to our,

628
00:22:55,974 --> 00:22:58,454
live event for the Minnesota Collective and gave

629
00:22:58,454 --> 00:23:00,214
out samples and asked everybody to fill out

630
00:23:00,214 --> 00:23:01,494
a survey, and I just thought that was

631
00:23:01,494 --> 00:23:02,934
so well done. And then you also did

632
00:23:02,934 --> 00:23:04,534
that at ASHA too, just gave out tons

633
00:23:04,534 --> 00:23:05,894
of free samples of what you had done

634
00:23:05,894 --> 00:23:08,375
and just asked people for feedback in a

635
00:23:08,375 --> 00:23:10,049
in a Google survey. And and I just

636
00:23:10,130 --> 00:23:11,890
think that's a great way to get get

637
00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:13,730
some market research done on what people like.

638
00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:14,930
And that was when you were getting the

639
00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:16,850
feedback that some people don't like banana, and

640
00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:18,450
it's like, well, who do? You know? It's

641
00:23:18,610 --> 00:23:20,450
yeah. So, anyways, like I said, I've I've

642
00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:22,289
loved this whole process, Ali, and I I

643
00:23:22,289 --> 00:23:24,450
love this product, and I think it's gonna

644
00:23:24,450 --> 00:23:27,294
be so helpful for so many patients. And,

645
00:23:27,294 --> 00:23:29,054
you know, I know that we have, you

646
00:23:29,054 --> 00:23:31,294
know, other wonderful thickener products on the market,

647
00:23:31,294 --> 00:23:33,054
but this just meets a need that hasn't

648
00:23:33,054 --> 00:23:33,554
been

649
00:23:33,855 --> 00:23:36,494
addressed yet. And I just commend you for

650
00:23:36,494 --> 00:23:39,259
for going that way. So, if anybody's interested

651
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,200
in checking out Allie's products some more, what's

652
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,720
the website? Naturallynectar..org.

653
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,920
.Org. Okay. So we will have all that

654
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,080
in the show notes. And any anything else

655
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,734
you wanna share with the people, Ally?

656
00:23:51,115 --> 00:23:53,835
No. Not not in particular or, I guess,

657
00:23:53,835 --> 00:23:55,855
also, if anyone's interested in

658
00:23:56,315 --> 00:23:56,815
researching,

659
00:23:57,194 --> 00:24:00,315
you know, how how a naturally thickened brand

660
00:24:00,315 --> 00:24:02,554
does compared to other thickened liquids, I would

661
00:24:02,554 --> 00:24:03,994
feel free to reach out to me over

662
00:24:03,994 --> 00:24:06,220
LinkedIn or or Instagram. I'd love to hear

663
00:24:06,220 --> 00:24:07,759
from you. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

664
00:24:08,539 --> 00:24:10,460
And I'm always happy to try to get

665
00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:13,019
samples to speech pathologist as well the best

666
00:24:13,019 --> 00:24:15,019
that I can, so that you can try

667
00:24:15,019 --> 00:24:17,179
them and potentially try them with your clients

668
00:24:17,179 --> 00:24:19,404
if you like. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you so

669
00:24:19,404 --> 00:24:21,644
so much, Allie. Yeah. Thanks so much, Teresa.

670
00:24:21,644 --> 00:24:22,625
I appreciate you.

671
00:24:23,164 --> 00:24:25,264
And that's a wrap for this episode.

672
00:24:25,565 --> 00:24:27,904
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673
00:24:28,204 --> 00:24:29,484
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674
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