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To learn 13 00:00:30,649 --> 00:00:32,929 more, visit carecredit.com 14 00:00:32,929 --> 00:00:34,789 forward slash beckerspodcast. 15 00:00:35,570 --> 00:00:37,649 This is Gracelyn Keller with the Becker's Healthcare 16 00:00:37,649 --> 00:00:39,409 Podcast, and we are recording live at the 17 00:00:39,409 --> 00:00:41,909 thirty first annual business and operations of ASCs. 18 00:00:42,304 --> 00:00:44,304 I'm currently joined by Megan Friedman, who is 19 00:00:44,304 --> 00:00:46,625 the chair and medical director of Pacific Coast 20 00:00:46,625 --> 00:00:49,585 Anesthesia. Megan, thanks for being here. To kick 21 00:00:49,585 --> 00:00:51,185 us off, can you please share a little 22 00:00:51,185 --> 00:00:52,625 bit more about yourself and your work in 23 00:00:52,625 --> 00:00:53,685 the ASC space? 24 00:00:54,065 --> 00:00:56,085 Yes. Thank you for having me here. 25 00:00:56,450 --> 00:00:58,850 It's been a great conference so far. My 26 00:00:58,850 --> 00:01:01,409 name is Megan Friedman. I'm a double board 27 00:01:01,409 --> 00:01:02,710 certified anesthesiologist 28 00:01:03,090 --> 00:01:04,469 and pediatric anesthesiologist 29 00:01:05,409 --> 00:01:08,549 and also the director of Pacific Coast Anesthesia. 30 00:01:08,930 --> 00:01:10,390 We're a large independent 31 00:01:11,204 --> 00:01:13,304 anesthesia group in Southern California. 32 00:01:14,405 --> 00:01:15,704 We staff multiple 33 00:01:16,164 --> 00:01:19,465 acute care hospitals and high volume surgery centers, 34 00:01:20,084 --> 00:01:21,784 across the Los Angeles area. 35 00:01:22,164 --> 00:01:24,185 I work closely with ASC leadership, 36 00:01:24,579 --> 00:01:28,259 OR directors, and system executives to optimize staffing, 37 00:01:28,259 --> 00:01:29,400 scheduling, and throughput, 38 00:01:29,780 --> 00:01:32,340 while keeping a pulse on payer dynamics, cost 39 00:01:32,340 --> 00:01:34,759 per case, and the evolving role of anesthesia 40 00:01:34,819 --> 00:01:36,119 in outpatient care. 41 00:01:36,420 --> 00:01:39,239 My focus is bridging clinical care with operational 42 00:01:39,459 --> 00:01:39,959 strategy. 43 00:01:40,944 --> 00:01:41,444 Wonderful. 44 00:01:41,905 --> 00:01:43,284 Well, let's start our conversation 45 00:01:43,984 --> 00:01:46,385 regarding the ASC market. In The US, this 46 00:01:46,385 --> 00:01:49,444 is projected to reach $60,800,000,000 47 00:01:49,504 --> 00:01:50,004 annually 48 00:01:50,704 --> 00:01:51,905 by 2030 49 00:01:51,905 --> 00:01:54,864 and continues to experience strong year over year 50 00:01:54,864 --> 00:01:57,780 growth. So from your perspective, what are the 51 00:01:57,780 --> 00:02:00,500 most significant trends and market forces driving this 52 00:02:00,500 --> 00:02:02,980 expansion, and how should ASD leaders be preparing 53 00:02:02,980 --> 00:02:03,480 today? 54 00:02:04,180 --> 00:02:07,480 Yeah. So we're seeing three key trends. First, 55 00:02:07,540 --> 00:02:09,860 higher acuity cases are being moved from the 56 00:02:09,860 --> 00:02:11,240 hospitals to ASCs. 57 00:02:12,125 --> 00:02:14,625 Second, we're seeing payers pushing care 58 00:02:15,085 --> 00:02:16,944 towards these lower cost settings. 59 00:02:17,645 --> 00:02:18,625 And then finally, 60 00:02:19,004 --> 00:02:21,485 another thing driving cases to ASCs is we're 61 00:02:21,485 --> 00:02:24,604 seeing surgeons are increasingly seeking more control and 62 00:02:24,604 --> 00:02:26,145 efficiency in their practice. 63 00:02:26,620 --> 00:02:28,000 When you consider these, 64 00:02:28,379 --> 00:02:31,099 and keep in mind that there's increased labor, 65 00:02:31,099 --> 00:02:33,520 the cost of labor has gone up substantially, 66 00:02:33,979 --> 00:02:35,580 over the last few years as well as 67 00:02:35,580 --> 00:02:36,479 supply cost, 68 00:02:37,340 --> 00:02:40,139 ASC leaders really need to rethink staffing and 69 00:02:40,139 --> 00:02:40,639 scheduling. 70 00:02:41,134 --> 00:02:42,814 They need to use real time data to 71 00:02:42,814 --> 00:02:45,875 make decisions that prioritize case efficiency and resource 72 00:02:46,094 --> 00:02:46,594 allocation, 73 00:02:47,215 --> 00:02:48,754 not just surgeon preference 74 00:02:49,055 --> 00:02:49,555 as 75 00:02:50,094 --> 00:02:51,794 as typically done in the past. 76 00:02:52,174 --> 00:02:52,674 Underutilized 77 00:02:53,134 --> 00:02:56,114 rooms and fragmented schedules are no longer sustainable. 78 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,879 And from AI and robotic surgeries to advanced 79 00:02:59,879 --> 00:03:02,759 EHR systems, technology remains both a make or 80 00:03:02,759 --> 00:03:04,840 break factor and a critical driver of ASC 81 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:05,979 operations at scale. 82 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,360 How do you see deeper tech integration shaping 83 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,759 the way ASCs deliver care and manage their 84 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:12,620 businesses over the next few years? 85 00:03:13,064 --> 00:03:14,504 So tech is gonna be a make or 86 00:03:14,504 --> 00:03:17,064 break factor, especially in how we schedule staff 87 00:03:17,064 --> 00:03:18,844 and optimize resource use. 88 00:03:19,224 --> 00:03:21,305 It's not just about the OR. Tech needs 89 00:03:21,305 --> 00:03:23,465 to help us see the full picture, cost 90 00:03:23,465 --> 00:03:26,284 per case, staffing patterns, case delays, 91 00:03:26,689 --> 00:03:27,590 and room utilization 92 00:03:27,889 --> 00:03:29,189 across service lines. 93 00:03:29,650 --> 00:03:32,129 AI and analytics can show us inefficiencies in 94 00:03:32,129 --> 00:03:34,069 real time so we can act on them, 95 00:03:34,129 --> 00:03:35,669 not just report them later. 96 00:03:36,289 --> 00:03:38,949 For me, it's about smart scheduling platforms. 97 00:03:39,665 --> 00:03:43,185 One tech that we've invested in and started 98 00:03:43,185 --> 00:03:43,685 adapting, 99 00:03:44,305 --> 00:03:46,405 was a scheduling platform called Equina. 100 00:03:47,185 --> 00:03:49,585 Platforms such as these allow anesthesia teams to 101 00:03:49,585 --> 00:03:51,905 be able to clock in, swap shifts, see 102 00:03:51,905 --> 00:03:53,365 real time coverage needs, 103 00:03:53,710 --> 00:03:55,969 and then we can track patterns, 104 00:03:56,830 --> 00:04:00,270 of staffing need across multiple sites and then 105 00:04:00,270 --> 00:04:02,689 present that to our ASC administrators. 106 00:04:03,310 --> 00:04:06,110 This kind of visibility changes everything. It improves 107 00:04:06,110 --> 00:04:06,610 transparency, 108 00:04:07,069 --> 00:04:08,610 fairness, and helps leadership 109 00:04:09,294 --> 00:04:09,794 right 110 00:04:10,174 --> 00:04:11,875 find the right size staffing 111 00:04:12,334 --> 00:04:15,074 based on actual need, not just assumptions. 112 00:04:16,334 --> 00:04:18,175 And a follow-up to that, is there one 113 00:04:18,175 --> 00:04:20,415 specific technology or innovation that stands out to 114 00:04:20,415 --> 00:04:21,714 you as especially transformative? 115 00:04:22,930 --> 00:04:25,490 So as I mentioned, we started using a 116 00:04:25,490 --> 00:04:27,430 scheduling platform towards Equina, 117 00:04:27,889 --> 00:04:30,129 and that's done a couple things for us. 118 00:04:30,129 --> 00:04:32,709 One, it's led to anesthesia provider, 119 00:04:33,649 --> 00:04:34,629 increased satisfaction. 120 00:04:35,009 --> 00:04:36,689 They feel like they have more control over 121 00:04:36,689 --> 00:04:37,430 their schedule, 122 00:04:38,324 --> 00:04:40,824 putting in requests on an app, swapping shifts. 123 00:04:41,204 --> 00:04:43,524 And then, also, it allows us to provide 124 00:04:43,524 --> 00:04:45,925 a lot of data to our hospital and 125 00:04:45,925 --> 00:04:46,904 ASC administrators. 126 00:04:47,524 --> 00:04:49,285 So we can try they we have real 127 00:04:49,285 --> 00:04:51,365 time clock ins, as I mentioned. So we 128 00:04:51,365 --> 00:04:53,464 can follow trends such as, 129 00:04:54,250 --> 00:04:57,370 if a certain person who's always at a 130 00:04:57,370 --> 00:04:58,349 particular ASC 131 00:04:58,889 --> 00:05:01,149 is always staying over a few hours. 132 00:05:01,689 --> 00:05:04,669 It can it can really show that center 133 00:05:05,129 --> 00:05:08,169 either the volume and demand for staffing is 134 00:05:08,169 --> 00:05:10,214 much higher than they thought, 135 00:05:10,675 --> 00:05:12,915 or on the flip side, is it because 136 00:05:12,915 --> 00:05:13,895 it's very inefficient? 137 00:05:14,595 --> 00:05:17,475 So these things have been very transformative in 138 00:05:17,475 --> 00:05:20,355 helping us with having data to show to 139 00:05:20,355 --> 00:05:20,855 people. 140 00:05:21,790 --> 00:05:24,830 And with 60% of health systems considering ASC 141 00:05:24,830 --> 00:05:27,550 joint ventures and many ASCs already partnering with 142 00:05:27,550 --> 00:05:30,189 systems in their communities, what opportunities do you 143 00:05:30,189 --> 00:05:32,589 see for collaboration, whether with other providers or 144 00:05:32,589 --> 00:05:35,149 vendors, to strengthen the patient care and operational 145 00:05:35,149 --> 00:05:35,649 efficiency? 146 00:05:36,504 --> 00:05:39,564 Collaboration's gonna be key, especially as more ASCs 147 00:05:39,704 --> 00:05:41,805 enter joint ventures with health systems. 148 00:05:42,264 --> 00:05:45,245 The opportunity lies in aligning around shared metrics, 149 00:05:45,305 --> 00:05:48,204 throughput, staffing efficiency, and financial sustainability, 150 00:05:48,824 --> 00:05:50,045 not just volume. 151 00:05:50,779 --> 00:05:52,879 That means deeper partnerships with anesthesia, 152 00:05:54,220 --> 00:05:55,600 and anesthesia teams. 153 00:05:56,060 --> 00:05:59,420 The anesthesia groups that are fully integrated into 154 00:05:59,420 --> 00:06:02,079 scheduling, case planning, and strategic conversations 155 00:06:02,379 --> 00:06:03,920 will deliver better outcomes, 156 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:07,654 lower cost per case, and help reduce friction 157 00:06:08,035 --> 00:06:08,535 across, 158 00:06:09,074 --> 00:06:09,895 key players. 159 00:06:11,074 --> 00:06:12,915 And is there anything else that we didn't 160 00:06:12,915 --> 00:06:14,615 touch on as we wrap up our conversation 161 00:06:14,675 --> 00:06:16,615 or any final thoughts you'd like to share? 162 00:06:16,915 --> 00:06:19,395 Yes. If there's one message I'd emphasize for 163 00:06:19,395 --> 00:06:19,895 executives, 164 00:06:20,569 --> 00:06:22,509 anesthesia needs to be at the table. 165 00:06:22,889 --> 00:06:26,250 We see everything, every surgeon, every room, every 166 00:06:26,250 --> 00:06:28,750 staff member, every delay, every inefficiency. 167 00:06:29,610 --> 00:06:32,250 In today's margin tight environment, you can't afford 168 00:06:32,250 --> 00:06:33,470 to ignore that perspective. 169 00:06:33,935 --> 00:06:36,335 If you're only focused on staffing costs, but 170 00:06:36,335 --> 00:06:38,735 not looking at k cost per case, case 171 00:06:38,735 --> 00:06:39,235 mix, 172 00:06:39,615 --> 00:06:42,495 scheduling dynamics, and other things, you're gonna fall 173 00:06:42,495 --> 00:06:42,995 behind. 174 00:06:43,295 --> 00:06:46,175 Real partnership with anesthesia teams is not a 175 00:06:46,175 --> 00:06:48,194 luxury. It's your competitive edge. 176 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:50,639 Wonderful. Well, Megan, thanks so much for joining 177 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:52,800 me today on the Becker's Healthcare Podcast and 178 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,960 sharing these insights. Again, we are recording live 179 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,120 at the thirty first annual business and operations 180 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:57,860 of ASCs. 181 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,460 Thank you so much.