The 1. Fuck them mobs to the snail
trail pop 4 podcast. If you like going
our operating and Turd wrench toyota camping and
Turtles.
And maybe put a little bit of fun
to it. And, of course, hearing about how
fantastic tin toyota is.
What? I mean, that's kinda like
old
school players is.
Got a few fun things on it. A
few fun things.
This might be the podcast for you. So
welcome everybody. My name is Tyler.
Joining me is mister Old school
living in the eighties in the early nineties,
Mister Jimmy Jet. How are you buddy? I
am well. Thank you very much. How are
you doing? I'm doing pretty well today. Good.
Mh. Mh. Need to hear it? Yep. It's
it's still hot. Yes. I think it's gonna
stay hot for another what 2 weeks they
were saying.
2 to 3. I don't know. It's not
hot where I am.
On that side of the room. It's not
hot over there. All the way over here
in.
Oh, that's right. Yeah. U. You're gonna have
some nice storms up there though. It's time
of year humid. Yeah too.
Yep. Enjoy your potatoes. Thank you. Will do.
That I never realized how much... Like, you
always you're joke about Irish being into their
potatoes. Right? And you know what an ira.
7 course meal is.
French fries, mashed potatoes, twice baked potatoes.
Hot potato,
a 6 packet potato. Oh, okay.
Got it.
So yeah, They make a lot of things
of potatoes over there. Just... That's okay. Yep.
I like starch. You get a lot of
starch. Yep. Their French fries are, like, super
thick, chunky things too. So like, and they're
almost a meal doesn't themselves. Yeah. They were,
like, big fat wedges though. So
Cool.
Yeah. I'm excited. Yeah. I man. It's a...
I hope you have a good time. Thank
you. I.
Forecast.
How was that? Was that a good accent
Or Or sure. I had a listener send
me a thing about Ireland and it was
an Irish guy talking about
Americans coming over to Ireland and telling all
the Irish people about how Irish the American
is. Like they are. Right? Okay. Does that
that makes sense? I I think I I
think fellow Irish man was talking about how
Irish people don't care about how Irish.
The American people are. Okay. They're because it...
And he said a funny line, and it
was pretty much like,
everybody I know is Irish. So I don't
care if you're Irish. Yeah. Everybody I know
is Irish. Yeah. Like, it's not a big
deal for me. U. I was like, hey.
That makes sense. I'm not Irish.
Not... Maybe there's a, you know, wee been
in the family history or whatever, but I'm
not any bit to my knowledge Irish, but
the assistant is Irish. So she's all excited
to go to Court County and all these
places to do families, some family history, and
I showed her this, and she's like,
Yeah. That's a good point.
Yeah.
1 interesting thing that I found while I
was there? Yeah. Is that they
love American politics.
Oh, goody. That's all over their new stations.
Yeah. And they cover...
Like, III must have been there during a
presidential election year.
Because that's all a a lot of people
ended up talking with us about was, oh,
what are you guys doing your presidential elections
Involved and how your primary going and all
this. Stuff Like, I don't know. Yeah. Like,
they knew more about our election stuff and
our politics work than we do. Is that
you? Yeah.
It'll be it'll be... I think very entertaining.
I think you got some fun conversations while
you're there about this the theater
dramatic that are going on here and the
theatrical here in the states right now? It'll
be really interesting. Yeah. Can I bring something
up that I forgot to talk about on
Thursday's episode? I guess.
Oh,
I have something too.
I can't believe I didn't think about it
a Thursday's episode. Go. You first. Okay.
While I was walking around at all the
amusement parks that I was going to. Mh.
I started thinking about can we create a
am off road amusement park. Themed
place.
And have it be, like... Okay. So not
an off road, a music park, an amusement
the off road themed amusement park. Way. Yeah.
Okay. But have it be, like,
sections of
the gun night section down out of at
H Hill. And then you have, like,
5 or 6 rigs
that people drive through and have, like, a
tour guide. Oh, that or or they have
somebody,
you know, like, your employee drives rigs through
and you jump in the passenger seats, and
you do, like, a a crazy loop, and
then you come back and, you know, then
you could have
maybe an education area about 4 wheel and
how to do 4 wheel or basic things.
You know, and you could
tie in all, like,
safety and education into a fun off road
amusement park where if you flop a rig,
it doesn't matter. Yeah. That would be definitely,
I think something that could be useful here
on the West Coast. Yeah. East coast has
quite a few of,
off road parks.
I don't know how many of them do,
like, guided tours where you can have somebody
from the park actually give you a guided
run. Mh. But that would be an interesting
concept for sure. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you...
And 1 of the things I was thinking
was like, you just have, like, a little
circle track or something in, like, 1 side
of it is just whoops and you just
have a true truck like, wow up a
nail,
you know, like, does 3 laps it goes
over the whoops, you know, super fast, and
then that writes done and you be unload
a bunch of people, and you load a
bunch of people back in. That would be
to have
different segments sections of the park. And 1
you'd have a mud bog in, an ultra
4. You were just going through rocks at
20 30 miles an hour, yeah. Trophy truck
section, Rock crawling. Rock crawling section. I... That
would be interesting,
and that you could then throw in actually
as some, like, roller coasters that are Yeah
off road themes. Yeah. Yeah. And... Yeah. So
I was thinking about all that when I
was going throughout the the amusement parks. But
my thought was, like, okay,
because Knot Sp Farm did a really good
job of education. U. In that in their
areas. They had, like, you know, old Western
town and they talked about things that happened
back in the day, like, how to forge
metal, how to make, you know, food and
how they
saved, you know, made Jerky to have it
for later or whatever. They had all these,
like, inner
entertainment centers
that were educational. Okay. Disneyland does a really
good job at,
while you're in line waiting for your ride,
there's entertainment stuff happening in line. Yeah. That
you could make educational. So I was thinking
about all this. So, like, we can have
an off road park
theme park. U.
That is
mainly for education reasons. U. But you get
to
go jump in a crazy rig and have
a little bit of fun and then you
go onto your next ride. Yeah.
That'd be interesting. Yeah. I thought It was
doing the price building. Yeah. Or
Oh, and they'd be like, I had thought
about Rc cars. Like, you know, our tire
park Rc area. Yeah.
Okay. That was
that was mine if anybody wants to
bat that idea around with ma'am all ears
because I I think it's a fun idea.
Yeah. What was yours that you've completely forgot.
I have a secret. It's okay. But I
can tell everybody. What?
Okay. Like, you may... Know. You're... This time
you're joking with me.
No. No. No. You really can say. I
really can say. Okay. So this is actually
kinda funny because we were talking about it
on last week we was recording? Yes. And
I was like, I can't tell you I
don't know what I can tell you. I
know I can tell you after November third.
Like, that's
that's, I know for sure. I can tell
you something.
The next morning at 7AM
is when they released the information. I was
like, oh, I coulda talked about it on
the podcast then.
Yep. Yeah. So
Marlin Chi
is
ind into the off road motors sports hall
fame.
Yep. It's super super rad. It's
so cool to
to see the community come together and rally
behind him? Yes. And see a or hof
rally behind him and recognize recognized the importance
that he had
on
the off road Motors sports industry. Yes. So
I think that's fantastic And,
congratulations to the Chi family. Mh. And, yeah,
we all miss Marlin, but it's it's really
at an accomplishment to be able to be
put into that category with all those also
amazing individuals that are in the off road
Hall fame. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Super cool. He's
up there now with Ken block Ken block
is getting,
ind this year as well. Oh, is? Yep.
Okay. So it's pistol pete. Yeah. Yep. So
there's a lot of... There's some really cool
names this year. I think it's a it's
a great class year.
For the offered motors sports hall fame. So
the Gala happens in Las Vegas on November
third,
and I have a couple of tickets. So
I've gotta see how I'm gonna use them,
but it sounds like there's gonna be
2, maybe 3 tables
purchased for,
Marlin supporters. Oh, wow. Okay. So, yeah. I
will all give you guys an update on
once I have more information about that, but
I was called and told
of
a few days, I wanna say the Wednesday
after his celebration of life. Oh, wow.
Is when I was told that it was
happening and that he... They voted and he
was ind, but they weren't gonna make the
announcements until later in the year, so I
couldn't... I was sworn to secrecy. No. Okay.
Hi couldn't even tell his family. Yeah wow.
They wouldn't let me tell Mike and
Christine and Crystal.
Wow. Yeah.
But you got told. I got told because
I was the 1 that submitted the application.
So they tell the applicant
if they... What the outcome is, but they
won't tell really anybody else until they pronounce
it. Yeah.
It's an interesting
process.
Yeah. Yep. We think you just say
you would tell everybody at the same time
in a way. Yeah.
Maybe they tell the applicant because they they
really want the applicant to be there at
Vegas so they give them as much time
as possible to plan
for the trade about a month. Yeah. I've
got it's a you had remember since we
were told Mh. Yep. Oh. And we have...
What is it... It's mid July right now.
So August, September, October. We've got 3
months roughly to get ready for the Gala.
So... Yeah. I don't know.
I know. I've I've been super happy and
getting got it the this all time. And
now we get to finally tell everybody. They
still claim that all the emails everybody sent
in did not have an impact.
I don't believe it. I don't believe it
either. I'd just... I can't I can't imagine
that you could ignore that many people when
you're you're having to reach out and say,
stop the emails. Yeah.
So Say actually,
I sent an email in. Right? I got
a response. Yeah. I got a polite response
better than some other people responses. Yeah. Because
I think I was 1 of the first
ones to send an email in. Yeah. I
also got... They've sent me an email in
response to the my
a submission? Oh, U. That said that he
won. Really? On the day that they released
everything. Oh, really? Yeah. That's cool.
I'm wonder if everybody else did too. They
got that same email. I don't know. Set
them out. Not sure. I don't know if
they went through
everybody's,
you know, everybody has sent in an email
in regards to Marlin, and then they've sent
the same blanket email out to everybody. I'm
not sure. But I was like, why am
I getting an email from Or off. Yeah.
You know, That's like, Marlin, and I clicked.
And I like, oh my gosh. That's so
cool. Yeah. So that was really really cool
to see.
Congratulations. Thanks for holding a surprise over my
head for, like, a month asshole whole.
Yep. It was fun though. It was worth
here. It was worth it was worth somewhat.
Yeah. Yeah
So, thank you everybody for, helping with that
endeavor. It really does mean a lot especially
to the family. I've talking to Mike now
about it.
And he said that, his mom Christine kinda
broke down.
Just started just crying as soon as they
were told, the family was told about it
all. So... Cool stuff.
Yeah. That would... That's been my secret. Sorry
for... Anybody. I people have been asking me
and guessing what it was. And Was like,
nope. Nope. Nope. That's nope. That's pretty cool.
Yeah.
I have a secret for you. Yeah. Yeah.
What is it? I can't tell you. Oh.
Come on.
What do you mean? Oh, can't do it?
I think you're just making stuff up. I
am. Yeah.
But I do have some important news also.
Okay?
This month, we are giving away an E
x. This
controller. Yeah. For our monthly giveaway. Mh super
cool tiny bitty little throttle controller.
This version, the x version is also bluetooth
controlled. It does have a little switch panel
on it or you can use the Bluetooth
controller app to control the
throttle response that you were looking for, Your
desired throttle response. Yep. A super cool a
little device from
stage ultimate 9. Ultimate 9 Yep. Ultimate 9
is it ultimate 9 motors sports?
Just Ultimate 9. It should be Motors sports.
Yeah. That'd be better. Yeah. Right? Ultimate 9,
Big thanks for donating 1 for this month
giveaway, big thanks to More flight for donated
1 as well.
Yeah. Super stoked for those. Yeah. If you
want to get in and win yourself a
little
tiny it bitty, 250 dollar
throttle controller. Mh. Do that over on Ira
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watch list and discuss section, click the snail
trail 4 by 4 podcast,
sign up for the giveaway tier. Sweet. I
like it a lot. We have reviews. Okay.
And do a couple today. Done some in
a while. Okay. To 657.
Okay. Reviews right now. That we gained a
few more since the last time. Good. On
our way to 700. So, at every 50,
so we did us,
1 of these giveaways at 650, where we'll
do another 1 at 700
reviews.
For a sag pack. So we got a
a fun little, a package of swag
for a lucky winner and an onyx Elite
membership of 1 year membership for Onex Elite.
So we've got that, once we get 700
reviews, we'll do a drawing from all 700
reviews that we have so far.
And we'll let you guys know who the
winner is, and then you have to prove
that you have control of that account. So
I'll let you know how to do that
when the time comes.
And then once we get to 750
reviews, that's the next big benchmark. So I
think we originally set out, we're, like, Yeah.
Let's get to 500.
That'll never happen. Right. Let's do some big
fun prize, and that way, we never really
have to do it We could just say
we did it. What was our price? It
was a win. A win. That's right. Yep.
And so we got the 500 reviews. Somebody
won a win.
And then we're were, like, we're not gonna
get to another amount.
But who knows? We never thought we'd get
to 500. Let's just say 750. Let's go
50 percent more.
And we're we're on the way there. So...
Almost there. Yeah.
So leave a review, and you'll get a
chance at the swag pack 700 as well
as the
Yokohama tires. So you get a full set
of 4 tires from Yokohama tires. Pretty much
anything you want, 20 inch or less than
20 inch rim and Dot
approved compounds,
which is pretty much their whole
off road lineup. So, yeah, check those out
over at Yokohama
websites and Yokohama on Instagram.
They got some really cool options now, and
they just released that new all terrain. Right?
Yeah. You're talking about. Yeah. I haven't gone
and looked at that. I need to check
that. I don't remember the name. At t
fours or whatever there. Yeah. So, yeah, 750
reviews. We've got a set of tires from
Yokohama. Everybody get in and do it over
at Apple podcasts. Yes.
And Yokohama, when are you making 40 two's?
Yeah. Seriously. We need to get some 40
two's in here. Although I'd have to do
a lot of work to current. I think
to fit 40 twos?
No.
Mh.
You just aren't allowed up travel. That's tracking
limit the travel? Yeah. Okay. Brian, Ear mu.
You're most Brian. Dull isn't.
There you go.
Anyways, I think that does it... Oh, we're
gonna do a couple reviews. Yeah. Let's do
a few reviews. Alright. Got him done any
in a while. Yeah. It's been a little
bit. Hot minute. So do you wanna know
where we're next 1? Hot minute. No. Oh,
do you wanna know where we are in
terms of reading reviews?
Let me guess.
We're
like, 18 months behind. Oh, that's actually
damn close.
Really? Yeah. Okay? So 01/13/2023.
Yeah. Which is
18 months and 8 days. Okay. 7 days.
Wow.
That's pretty good, man. I'm gonna go get
a lot ticket. No, jeez.
This 1 is from Kung fu
kung fu.
Or it's mazda.
How do you how do you say pasta?
You say pasta? You say pasta? Then it's
kung mazda.
Mazda. Mazda.
So it says good off road show. Thank
you. I've been listening since Austin on a
rate 4 by 4 posted up on
posted up about you.
And then the the flip off
emoji g, but it's not Emoji. Yeah. It's
like the writing right out, the colon flip
off to clint. Oh, yeah. Thanks.
Thank all.
Appreciate it. Thank we've enjoyed having Austin on
and everything that Austin does for us with
all of our
us, nail squad
stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
Let's see. Next 1. Canadian Pedro,
Tlc.
Tlc,
Toyota Land Cruiser. Oh, maybe.
I was thinking,
don't go chase waterfalls or whatever that's on.
That's not by Tlc. No.
2 love to love crew.
2 love crew. Was Tlc. I don't know
what the Tlc stood for in Tlc. Yeah.
Tender loving care. Maybe that... I think that's
actually was. Yeah. Canadian pedro with tender loving
care.
Informative and relevant.
Love this podcast. They have a structure and
talk about relevant issues. Nice to have 4
by 4 podcast who actually go off road.
Yeah. Pedro tlc. I think that shots fired.
It's meta podcast so step fyi. I haven't
gone off road in a while though.
You're
didn't you just
Can you just go somewhere with Bob recently?
No. Okay. I think so. Alright.
I drove it around town. Oh, okay. Is
another day.
Next 1, Ricky Pal. I don't know if
I've... I've got to have off road sense
cruz moa. Right? I thought you went somewhere
since Cruise. Like I thought you went up
on the Rub con for, like, a day
trooper somewhere.
My mind's not work firing and all cylinders
right now. Nope.
So, alright. Ricky Pal. Okay. Ricky Palo. The
next 1. So it's fun willing podcast.
Jimmy and Tyler are entertaining hosts. They podcast,
the podcast covers off road trip reports,
industry reviews, and campfire fire style discussions. If
you're into wheel,
Toyota and hearing about great California trails and
events. This is the podcast for you. I
agree with that 1. I agree to. 5
stars.
5 stars. Perfect. Thank you, Ricky Pal. Ricky
Pal. I'm we're gonna have to make sure
to that 1 too. Yep. A little long
a Word shirt.
That's okay. It'll just wrap all the way
around.
You have to walk around him to read
it.
Next 1 is Rock Crawling k 5.
Wow. Blazer. Mh in the house. Alright. Full
size
slash insta rock crawling k... A rock crawl
k 5.
Your fellow full size listener.
Do we... Or 1 of us considered full
size? I don't know. You're tall. Okay. I
mean, yeah. I guess.
You have. You have full size axles. I
do have I have bigger than full size
axles.
Love the podcast. Don't ever apologize for the
long episodes. It keeps me busy during some
of my long drive days, Keep up the
long episodes.
Alright.
So we'll do this 1 on Thursday for
you. That's a nice long 1 on Thursday,
and we'll do this 1 about 2 hours
for everybody can we're about 10 percent in
right now.
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Yep. Gift of.
Perfect. This says looking forward to more episodes.
A short and sweet. I bet there's another
gift of
review. He's he's going for stuff.
That's my guess. Yep. Could be.
And I think we read this 1.
This is the from spark me,
spark them up. That's probably what it is.
Yeah.
Love the podcast and keep up the jokes,
well maybe not all the jokes.
A lot of great information on en... And
entertaining stories well worth listening to if you
have interest in Twitter are wheel.
Cool. And last 1 for today. Okay.
She
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She. She or s 8.
It's she j the number 8.
She CJ8.
Yeah. I don't know. It's instead of CJ8.
She j... Oh, it's a maybe a female
CCJ8
owner.
That'd be kinda cool.
Great offer podcast very entertaining and hilarious at
times, even my wife said highly entertaining. Keep
up the great work. So he wrote a
review on her
podcast. That's what I know her Instagram or
Apple podcast Yeah name. That's what I was
looking for. Maybe? Yeah. Alright. So you gotta
stay together with her if you wanna win
those Yokohama tires. That is true. You gotta
keep the couples together. Yes. That's our
second goal on this podcast.
That's really the goal of the reviews. It's
not really to get people tires. It's to
to help with relationship issues.
Absolutely. Yeah. 100
percent. Well, let's see. The only other thing
we've got going, giveaway status is the Walter
tools
giveaway. We are still working with Walter and
what they've got going on. They have an
a national wide tool giveaway happening and consumables
going on until I think it was November.
And
if you go into any local
welding supply store
see some consumables that are Walter, Drill coat,
or triumph, and you take a photo with
them and then send that photo photo into
the Qr code that's on that packaging,
then you get entered to win some consumables.
And then the grand prize is a 20
24 2 year lease ford f 01:50 tremor.
That's it. Yep. That's awesome.
And so snail trail 4 by 4 doing
something in conjunction with that, we more or
less doing absolutely the same thing. But if
you send us,
your entries, then you get an added bonus
giveaway item at the... What is it The
end of August. We'll do the drawing. So
September, we're gonna give away something. Yep. As
well. So just whatever photos and information you're
sending to Walter, send them into us as
well. And if you send us the receipt,
a photo of the receipt, you get a
bonus point. Cool. I like it a lot.
That's some fun. Contest still going on. Some
fun giveaways. So again make sure you get
signed up for them if you're interested in
them.
About does it for housekeeping stuff. So, yeah.
I think we're good. Cool.
Let's get over
transition to our campfire fire discussion,
we are gonna be, I think finishing up
our trail highlights
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I saw halloween doors...
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I was, what the
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today's cam for discussion.
This is kind of the part of the
podcast where
we like to come up with a discussion
style
something to get you and your buddies talking
about a topic
or discussing something about off road. Hopefully, it's
something that you guys can debate on argue
on, and we can end friendships over. That's
the main goal of these discussions.
Because we like to wake up and choose
violence every day, just kidding. Can we try
to keep relationships together?
Yeah.
Exactly. Right? And keep yeah.
Romantic relationships together, but friendships, we we gotta
destroy guys demolish. Yeah. Unless you're romantically involved
with your friends.
I mean, that... That... Then I don't know
what we're doing here, which it's...
We're talking about Toyota.
Toyota owners.
Cheap owners.
Don't know. Anyways, I'm gonna leave that 1
there. We're gonna
send all your hate mail to Tyler. It's
now truffle by 4 dot com. And jason
at wheel wine whiskey dot com. Exactly.
This Rot... Does Rodney have a wheel wine
whiskey email yet? I don't know.
Lorenzo does. Lorenzo does. That is true. I
don't know if Rodney
does or not. I'll have to look into
that and set 1 up from or something?
Yeah. We...
That's super easy. Yeah. And we we can
start an alias off of 1 of ours
for that. Can't we? Probably. Yeah. Yeah. I
think we could. We just start... Yeah. We'll
start being replying as Rodney for when you
wanna whiskey? Or we could start sending ones
in... Yeah. 2 wheel wine and a whiskey
from Rodney From Rodney.
Nice.
Anyways, we're talking today about a discussion.
Fun 1, we've been doing a little bit
already, which is
highlights of trails and and trail areas kind
of thing if we we need more I
talked about. So we've talked about the Rub,
which was, there's a lot of highlights on
the rub. A lot of cool things to
see and do while you're there. A lot
of things that draws J and eye to
that area.
We talked about ford ice. Yep. Which still
has a lot of stuff to do, a
lot of stuff to see a rich gold
mining history there, which we don't know a
whole lot about, but we're working on
getting a professional
insider
on the podcast. That knows a lot about
the Gold mine history of 4 days. So
keep your ears peeled for that.
We talked a little bit about this a
bunch of the other high Sierra trails,
in the El dorado Stan Los, Tahoe National
Forest areas.
We've talked about Moa. Yeah. There's a lot
a lot of really cool highlights in Moa.
And now today, we're gonna talk a little
bit about the Fresno
area.
Yes. Fred yes area. F yes. Fred yes.
There's nothing yes about Fresno.
Everything is know about Fresno. Stay away from
Fresno. Just don't grow Fresno s. Fresh sc,
South Yosemite. Yes.
So, yeah. It's a.
It's not? Yes. Yes. It's not. Fresno. Fresno
is
not. Yes.
Okay.
We're talking about Shaver lake. Yes. Yes. So
there's a lot of really cool trails in
Shaver lake, Shaver lake is AAA great
off road area in the Sierra National Forest
here in California.
That is kinda up outside of Fresno
outside Yosemite
that same kind of environment area that you
would get in yosemite,
but it's a a really cool spot that's
had a lot of work done by
the clovis independent 4 wheelers. So you do
a lot to help maintain the shaver lake
area, a ton of the trails up there.
I know 4 by 4 him also does,
a bunch of trail maintenance and projects up
in that area.
So there... And Sierra National Forest is
has a really
good relationship with the offer to clubs
and kinda lets them manage and maintain a
lot of these trails. So the main... The
trails
our phenomenal trail system up in shaver lake,
and it's a great in my opinion, it's
a great way to set up a base
camp.
And why do you say that? Go and
go run trails around shaver like? Oh, you
mean, so to set up the base camp,
and then you can run multiple trails from
that base camp location. Yep. Got it. So
there's an awesome spot called the sand flats.
You don't need to throw stuff happening, Jimmy.
What are you?
It's
Now, there's an awesome place called the sand
flats.
So as you're going up the highway towards
shaver towards Dink Creek up in that area.
There is, a, turn off to the sand
flights. And it's literally
sand, like, just a bunch of sand
Okay. As you're coming into this this area
in the high Sierra that's typically Sierra are
dominated by more granite. Right? Yes? Man it's
just this loose sand that you'd almost, like
beach sand. It's really impressive. And I have
no clue what it's doing there. I don't
know enough about geology
to explain why the sand flat area is
there.
But it's this giant
area that you can camp in and is
kind of the trail access point for a
bunch of the trails around Red Mountain.
And kind of the shaver like area. Alright.
So is
all I I've been in that area once.
Okay. Right. Mh. And 1 of the things
I remember.
Is it Scott a 1 hell of a
hill to get up there? Oh, the 4
on the highway? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. It does.
And so that's to get you up towards
near sand
sand flats. Sand flat. So, yeah, The the...
That's called the 4 lane. Okay. It's 2
lanes in either direction. Yes. And it is
a steep climb. It's very steep. Very steep.
There is a water station,
part way up.
And when I was growing up in in
the off road club in that area,
we actually had the adopted highway,
at the bottom of the 4 lane. Okay.
So the first, I wanna say was a
mile and a half, 2 miles, 3 miles
of the 4 lane.
We adopted that section of the highway. So
we'd go out there once a year twice
a year and walk along the bottom of
the 4 lane picking up trash. Putting them
all in garbage bags for. Cal transit to
come by and pick up. So anyways, 4
lane, very steep, very steep. 22 roe have
trouble getting up there. You end up in
4 low, halfway up.
Yeah. Lo. Mu,
toe rigs have difficulty getting up there. It's
a very steep climb going up, and then
it's it's can be scary coming down with
toe rigs. If you do not have good
breaks and good trailer breaks. It could be
knuckle,
white knuckles coming down that show. So
but that 4 lane pretty much goes up,
and then it kinda levels out goes through
some windy roads you end up in Shaver
lake. K. And there's a town of shaver
there with 1 gas station, I believe. Might
be 2 gas stations now. Last time mile
there is only 1.
And,
that's kinda your your fuel stop
before you go wheel up in that area
because there's no other gas.
Yep. No other fuel in that area. If
you're not bringing fuel with you, fill up
in shaver.
And then from there, shaver is kind of
your access town to
a bunch of off road trails up there.
There's bald Mountain. There's all the sand flats
and Red Mountain trails.
You've got swamp lake kind of up in
that area. You've got doo. Doo is up
in that area, Du ocean. Okay. So there's
these, really cool trails in that area.
And in my opinion, the main
draw
to that area
is just that it's it's so accessible.
They've done a really good job at making
all the trails accessible
quickly and easily.
So you can set up base camp somewhere
and go out and do 2 trails in
a day, come back to base camp camp,
and then go out to another 2 trails
next day and come back. And they're relatively
short trails. A lot of the ones
at least out of based out of Sand
flights.
So you've got quite a few. And they
all pretty much what they all have common
is they end at these little tiny High
sierra lakes.
Like kinda like barrett Lake, but less granite
bowl like. Yes. Okay. So there's
strawberry lake.
Red Lake,
Mer lake,
West lake, Coyote Lake,
swamp lake,
there's all the... All these trails kinda go
out to these high sierra lakes.
And, they're phenomenal to go out and camp
at as well.
In my opinion, the trails are all pretty
short.
If you're running 30 fives and your locked
front and rear,
you're gonna be able to get to the
lake
pretty quickly that day. And if all you
wanna do is get to a lake and
hang out.
Then
awesome. Then that... That's a great trip for
you. Right? Sure. Yeah Do 1 short trail,
get to a lake hang hang out, and
you'll get there
1 or 2PM maybe, and then hang out,
have your lunch there and then have dinner
there camp and then leave the next day.
You can have a late... Exit the next
day and go back home. Right.
It's also very close proximity to Fresno.
So if you do kinda live down in
the
metropolitan area of Fresno,
it's a quick ja up to shave relate.
Kinda like it is for us to go
to Rub or Ford ice. Correct. Yep. So
that's another really nice feature about it is
that it's close to
a pretty big
metropolitan area of California. Right. And that being
said, if you do have problems and you
break, you're not terribly far. Mh. From people
that might have your solution. Exactly. Yep. And
so, yeah, That's that's kind of the month.
The main goal and highlight that I like
about that area is just its accessibility is
really well done. Okay. But there's some really
fun trails
And each trail is kind of unique.
They all start kinda blending together a little
bit when you're out there. But there's
they're they're all very kinda narrow.
Okay. Kinda like Barrett Lake Es
runs trail runs where
they're just narrow. There's there's rocks you can't
really go fast.
They're not super difficult,
but there's a couple of big obstacles.
Kind of thing, and you end up this
beautiful lake. Sure.
And so,
there's
Red lake
So... And a lot of them are, like,
kinda of multiple
trails in 1.
So you go and then, like, to get
to Coyote Lake, you have to go through
Red Lake. Okay. So you ended up going...
You're like, I'm gonna go out to Coyote
and you end up doing Red Lake and
Coyote Lake. Yeah. And insane. Right?
If you wanna go to West Lake, you
can stop off on your way. I believe
it's to red Lake.
You can stop off and kinda take a
little short d tour over to West lake.
Okay. So there's a there's some, really cool
stuff of fun trails. They're kinda like, I
I call them Creek runs. There's no real
creek here there, but it's like,
you equate some of water rafting. Right? You've
got rivers,
and you've got streams you've got creek. And
the trails are more like creek because they're
just these tiny
narrow trails. You just can't go fast on.
Okay. But they're they're usually in shade. The
whole time you got pretty good tray, a
tree cover.
So I was gonna say that's 1 of
the things I remember was it was... I
was always deep in the forest. Mh. Like,
you're always... There's trees all around g that
never really get, like,
any massive
spectacular views because you're deep inside the woods.
Yeah. And it's a narrow trail between trees,
rocky. Mh.
What was the, not Coyote.
Red light? Nope. There was another 1. Mirror?
Next. Strawberry? Next.
West. Ex Fred. Oh, Coyote.
We already went through that that I I
can't remember the 1 that I went on.
U, the trailer.
Brewer lake? Nope. Bruce is another 1. You
see. You set it at the beginning. It's
not swamp lake. There's no swamp lake there.
Right? There's a swamp lake. So why I
was probably swamp lake. I think okay. I
did it with the slow county Crawl. Okay.
Way back in the day. Mh. And I
remember it being a fairly easy trail
with 1 obstacle. 1 area like, a 1
rock garden obstacle in the middle. Yeah. And
but you are deep inside the forest. There's...
It's gorgeous area
where... That you can see. And then you
did end up at a lake and we
just hung out at the lake and relax
and
just tilt the whole entire time around the
lake. And that's... It sounds identical to everything
you're describing. Yeah. And that's kind of the
the main story of this whole area. Mh.
Is that no matter what trail you're going
to, You're gonna get that similar experience.
Right?
Now the trails are a little different. They
have
some different
features along the way.
Like strawberry lake is definitely that creek run
or it is really tight windy narrow tight
turns and just,
bowling ball sized rocks everywhere. Okay? Yeah. You
just can't go fast. There's a couple of
little to go up, but you end at
this just gorgeous place to hang out and
have lunch for the afternoon or camp for
the evening.
The big 1 that, is probably my favorite
trail down there is Mir lake.
Mir lake is
it's it's
very well guarded by a lot of trees,
and so it's not a whole lot of
wind typically. That gets down to Mirror lake.
So it it it has a nice
mirror reflection on it, like, all the time.
It's pretty cool. Yeah. But the trail out
there, has 1 of the hardest obstacles
in that area, and it's the hill
on at mirror lake. Okay.
And I would put it kinda equate it
to the gauntlet. At slick rock. Oh, wow.
Okay. So the bottom of it Yeah. The
bottom of it is just kind of this
loosen and it has it has a turn
mid trail, 90 degree turn. Yeah. Just like
a gauntlet. Yeah.
That's just a loose dirt, and there's a
couple of rocks that are either a really
really big dip catcher or if you try
and go up on, you're gonna roll the
vehicle.
And then,
there's a really tight exit at the bottom
of the hill. That's between a room sized
to boulder about the size of this room
we're recording in. And a big tree. So
you just... It's a tight narrow squeeze with
a ledge, and you just have to be
really careful as you go down it because
as you could If you don't drop off
at the same time. Yeah. You're gonna go
into the rocker into the tree. 1 another.
Okay. So mirror is a it's it's a
really fun obstacle to big obstacle the hill
at Mir lake. But the ending is a
a great high sierra Like, just like all
these lakes up there. Sure.
To this camp out or hang out up
for the day. But I would say probably
the most common and most well known trail
out in that area is Bald Mountain. For
certain. Yes.
Yeah. Bald Mountain is a really cool trail
system,
mainly because there's a lot of different ways
to do it.
And you access it. You can access it
through
a lot of different ways. There's... It's a
big loop around Bald Mountain,
and I wanna say there's 3
entrance points to the trail to this big
loop. And 1 of the entrances is through
the sand flats area. Mh.
There's another entrance through the Dink Creek.
Side of things. And I want says another
entrance on the north side, I don't.
I have not been through that entrance in
my adult life. But the cool thing about
Bald Mountain is a, there's a lot lot
of different ways to it. So a lot
of different routes, So you can get a
lot of different difficulties.
For going in there. You can have full
on bug and have a fun time getting
up to the top, or there has been
super stock
like, your high geared,
stock 4 by fours. So they can get
up there for landers. Over overland. I wasn't
gonna go there, Jimmy. I did it. You
can send all your hate mail to Jimmy.
At trail 4 by 4 dot com.
Bring in. Yeah. But what's really cool about
bald Mountain is,
you get up to the top.
And it has a
spectacular
360
degree view of the entire area up there.
Yeah. This is 1 of the few places
in the shape or lake area that actually
has a great view. Yes. And I mean,
it's
it's primarily called bald mountain because it's just
a giant
granite dome for the most part. Yeah. And
then you're dry Bend head. Yeah. Exactly. And
you're driving to the top of his head
To get this spectacular view. Yep. I mean,
to the top of the dome. Yeah. Yeah.
Yep. Exactly.
And there's a fire lookout up top. Yep.
That gets maintained by a lot of the
off road nowadays.
And so it's it's cool. You get to
climb this tower. Up on top of Ben's
head
and
get this really cool look out of everything.
So,
pretty sweet Bald Mountain is definitely like, if
you have
1 trail to do while you're down there.
You're just there for the day or something.
Go check out bald mountain. Okay. It's it's
an awesome trail. It would be kind of
my top choice for somebody new to the
area. Sure.
And
So that swamp lake is another great trail
down there.
Red and Coyote is another great trail. So
Red Lake and Coyote Lake. Red lake has
a couple of really fun...
Almost... I equate it to kinda like big
s before the tree fell down. Okay. Some
really tight squeeze rock scenarios pinch points. Yep.
I have not been to Coyote lake yet.
Oh, I've been to Red Lake a couple
of times, but never been to Coyote.
Okay. So I I would like too. At
some point, I wanna go back down there
and to spend like, a week, doing all
these trails in my adult life. With the
fore runner. Right? Because all these trails I
kinda grew up on.
And we did a lot. A lot of
snow runs to Bald Mountain when I was
younger. And so that is what, like, a
lot of my childhood, my memories are is
going to Bald Mountain.
For snow runs and then,
summer just afternoon picnic trips kind of thing.
Sure. And so, yeah, There's
It's a it's a really cool
spot bald Mountain and Swamp lake. I still
don't... I haven't been to swamp lake in
my adult life either. Now. Yeah Yeah. I
had a fantastic time there. But like I
said earlier, I mean, all I really remember
is it was a fairly easy trail with
1 Rock garden and obstacle in the middle.
Mh. And
I don't... And I didn't even take the
hard line
then, but I think I could I think
Bob cat could do the hard line. At
least in... From my memory,
of what it is.
I know Bob kat could do the hard
line now. Yeah.
If it's still the same. Yeah. But it's
not. Obviously, So I have no idea what
it looks like at the moment. So... Yeah.
But It was a fun trip when we
did it, and I don't remember anything that
really stood out,
except that, you know, you get to a
fantastic to lake. And I think all, you
know, a lot of people's points of going
off road or getting out
is
1 of the things that you look for
is to end at a water source. Yeah.
And a lot of the trails in this
general area, do that. They complete that. You're
either you're ending at a lake of some
sort, except for Bald Mountain. You end at
the lookout tower. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's definitely
an interesting area, high
elevation,
for the roughly high elevation in the Sierra,
you know, you're centered in a redwood forest
stuff, of pine trees and some oak trees
mixed in
gets hot there in the summer though, so
get ready you're gonna go down there in
the middle of summer. You know, yeah, You're
up in elevation, but you're still that entire
central Valley gets very, very hot. So very
hot.
Be conscientious of that and bring lots of
water. Yeah. It always blows me away at
the elevation up there.
Because here where where you and I typically
go wheel, Rub Ford Barrett Lake up in
the El Dorado National Forest.
We're average
12500
feet. Right. Elevation.
Sand flats.
Okay.
8800
feet. Yeah.
Elevation. So I mean, it's it's another 1500
feet up from where we are 2000 feet
up from where what we're used to. Yes.
And that's a sand flat. So at the
top of bald mountain?
Okay. Let's see. What is the top of
bald?
How are you doing all this research right
now? Onyx. On x. Yep.
I can't find Bald. I'd had it labeled
here. Go. Let's see who wins. There we
go. S k.
In Fresno County, there are 4
a bald mountain.
Yeah.
Then it gives coordinates. So there it is.
A bald mountain at 70 or 37 degrees
by a hundred and 19 degrees.
Rises,
this 1 says 7838
feet. That's what I have here. Okay. Yeah.
So down a little bit from the sand
flats area. Which is impressive that sand flats
is a higher elevation than the top of
Bald Mountain. Right?
Yeah. Your base camp is a higher elevation
than the top of Bald Mountain. Yeah. So
yeah. There's a there's a a couple of,
fun places there,
Dea Creek there's a great camping area.
There's a a couple of really good camper,
a camp being areas up at the... Some
of the reservoirs, like Court reservoir.
There's I wanna say it's Jefferson
Pass.
Up through there. Jefferson
rode up through the past.
That goes up It's a
interesting place Jackass
Meadow Campground. Okay. Is a place that I've
been to before out at Florence Lake. Is
that where the 559
Wheelers live?
Probably. Yep.
Shots fired.
There's
the
is that that John your trail that goes
through there?
Yeah. Probably. Yeah. That's right that's this right
area Ct. Yeah.
Mono Creek Campground, Mono Hot Springs,
up at Lake Thomas Edison.
Okay. So, yeah, The Road I was thinking
of is this road here,
Kaiser. Kaiser Pass.
That's what I was thinking of.
Kaiser passes a fun road to drive. It's
it's a paved the road, but it's like
a 1 lane,
and the road is all beat up. And
it goes out to some really
amazing 2 lakes with some great camping, and
that's the Florence Lake and Thomas Edison lake.
Okay. And so there's Jackass Meadow campground, Mono
hot Springs up there, Mono Creek campground, like
Thomas Edison Campground,
Yeah. So, yeah. What would you say, like,
minimum vehicle requirements first most of these trails
would be on average.
I did them all in my Tacoma.
Well, I did... I did not do mirror
in my tacoma, but I did Red Lake
in my Tacoma. I think that was the
limit of the Tacoma. And that was on
30 threes and no lockers
and long. And long had a hundred 43
inch wheel base hundred and 48 inch something
like that.
So you don't need a lot to do
these trails. That's another kind of really nice
thing about them, and they're not so much
about the wheel. Yeah. It's more about getting
out to these high Sierra lakes. Okay. And
creating a little bit obstacles there. So we're
not getting subaru out there. Right? Yeah. I
think is the goal.
Okay. I like But you don't need a
whole lot to get out to these places.
30 threes is in a short wheel base,
like a Tj or a cj or something
like that.
Or first gen 4 runner, and a rear
locker will get you
pretty much 99 percent of the places out
here, Cool. Now they get easier. Obviously, the
more gear you are. The mirror lake, I
would say you definitely want lockers front and
rear and maybe 30 fives.
Sure. But yeah you don't need a lot
to get out to these trails. Okay. So...
Yeah.
Another couple of fun trails in that area
that are of noteworthy
note,
noteworthy is.
Du? Yes.
On that the the high elevation 1. That
1 gets up to 12000 feet I believe.
Wow. 10000. I think it's 10000.
Maybe it is... I don't, 10 or 12000
feet. Somebody right in and let us know.
Matt Matt will call in. Let us know.
Matt actually does work every year to open
up Doo. Yes. So
he knows quite a bit about, the trail
and and some statistics about it. Doo z
is another 1 I've not done in my
adult life that I really wanna do Yeah.
I've never done it either. Alright are are
you still on to do that trip this
year?
No. Oh, I'll say it here. Sorry well
it's Taco.
So, my buddy, I have a college mate
friend that is...
Throwing. I don't I don't... It's not a
shotgun wedding, but it's super fast wedding. Okay.
Together, and he's getting married
Wednesday morning.
That week. What a weird time? I know.
Or it's some, like, they're not... It's gonna
sound weird, But if there's some solar thing
happening
I think during that point in time. Though
they're not, like,
weird hippie, like, you know, They're just. They're
like, oh, this is... It's... They wanna do
a sunrise that's in in Hawaii.
They wanna do a sunrise
wedding
on the beach. Interesting in Hawaii. Okay. Yeah.
And something's happening. So so I'm gonna be
going to that.
Alright. Figure that, you know, hopefully, well, I
was gonna say, you know, weddings only happen
once, and Doo will be around for years,
but
this is a second wedding. So... Y'all same
thing.
Threw wedding only up once but jimmy me.
Come on. This is this.
Yeah. That's cool. That'll be a fun trip
though. Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll, I'll have to
talk to you about that because I'll gonna
be leaving on a Tuesday. Okay. Yeah. Well,
I really wanna get up into Doo at
some point. And I think what I need
to do is just plan a week where
I can go down.
And do a bunch of these trails that
I really wanna do. Haven't done News takes
a week. It takes it takes 3 to
4 days. Yeah. By itself. I hear give
it 5. Yeah Yeah. Because you... There's a
lake in the middle of doo, Mh. That
everybody stops at. I don't know what the
name is. But they say, drive you know,
to that lake and then spend an entire
day
at that lake. Yeah. You know? And if
whether it takes you 2 days to get
there, then you spend a day there and
then 1 or 2 days out. Yeah. You
know, but it's a 4 day 5 day
trip. Yeah. And you're in the middle of
nowhere.
So if you are thinking about daisy, you
carry gas with you because the trails...
It's not like super long. It's like 30
miles, but you're going slow. So you're burning
through fuel. Yep. And then there are no
gases
stop shaver lake on either side. Mh. So
you gotta drive back to shaver lake
make fill up. I've heard you need at
least 200 miles of range
in your off road vehicle to make the
entire trip.
You really wanna take 250 to 300 miles
of gas with you just in case though.
Yeah. So
think about that. If you're gonna to do
Doo. Yes.
I would definitely need to carry fuel. Yeah.
I would too. I get just under 200
miles
on 1 tank.
I get halfway through a tank doing the
Rub con. Yeah. Alright.
So anyways, that's doo.
Swamp is another 1 in that swamp plate
is in that area. And then another 1
that's kind of AAA
notable,
c mention, I guess. Okay. Is shut eye
peak. Never heard of it. Shut eye peak
is a trail outside of Oak.
So not in the shaver lake area, but
not too far away. Yeah. Yeah. And it
is another
fantastic
out up in that area. So... And it's
just got some really cool granite crawling
as you get towards the end of it.
Oh, cool. So shut Ip is another 1
that's that's cool. If you're looking for a
look lookout. Yeah. To do some rock crawling
at. And so Bald Mountain and Shut,
and then pretty much every other trail in
that shaver lake red Mountain sand flats area.
Is
all just at these tiny little high Sierra
lakes that are amazing
locations to get to.
So... Cool. Yeah. Well, it sounds like a
fun area, I definitely want to explore more
of it. Mh. And, you know, after doing
the podcast for so many years, we're gaining
more more friends all around. I know that
you have friends and family that live down
in that area, but I don't have friends.
That's.
You family that lives down there, but now
I have through the podcast, you know, we
have connections down in that area, and, you
know, if I said, hey, I wanna go
wheel these trails, like more than enough people
would be happy to. Guide us along or
take us on some of adventures, which is
really fun and cool. Yep So, yeah. I
don't... Probably not this year just because life
is happening,
but problem, maybe next year, I definitely wanna
go down there and do some do some
exploring. Mh. Another area that it we're not
gonna cover on these highlights because not... You've
been there, but I have never been there.
Mh. Is Bear Valley. Oh, yeah. I wanted
to go to Bear Valley sometime and just
hud around because I've heard so much about
it. But I don't never been there And
never tried any of the trails. I wasn't
too impressed with Bear Valley.
It's it's impressive to look at because it's
in the middle of San Bernardino, San Bernardino
Valley. Yeah. And it's just this giant plateau
that shoots up 6000 feet
in the middle of San Bernardino Valley, Right.
And that
geographically, it's impressive, but, like,
it's such a small
area
for Oh
recreation that
I don't know. My opinion, there's not a
lot of places to explore. Yeah. And if
you're looking to explore,
not a great area. Yeah. I went... I
know you went down for, like, an event,
and that you guys did some trail runs,
but I wonder if
It sounded trails. Yeah. But it out... To
me, it sounded like you were the way
over built rig for the... Vehicles that were
on that that expedition. Yeah. So I bet
you there's harder trails than what you went
on. Probably that I've heard the hardest trail
up there is John Bull.
Okay. And rid of that 1. And,
from what I've seen of John Bowl, it...
It looks like what would be an
trail here. Strawberry.
No it's a little more difficult than strawberry.
I mean, maybe old strawberry, both before started
getting all the rocks taken out of it
before it got bull.
I, it I would difficult put it up
along that low, oh,
Bear Valley Oh v. Outside of Truck? Yeah.
I think from what I've seen of John
Bowl, it seems like it's that difficulty of
trail. Oh, wow So. Okay. Yeah. And that's
supposedly their hardest trail in Bear Valley.
Got it. So... Good to know. Yeah. Okay.
It's cool spot though. Like, you just go
up and up and up and up and
up forever, and then you come down really
quickly and back down to December Bernardino Right.
The view from on top of it, overlooking
the San Bernardino Valley is
really cool as well. Especially at nighttime when
everything's things lit up. You can't really see
anything during the day because of all the
smog. It's a little depressing.
But, yeah, that's why you just go go
wheel up into the trails for the and
then at nighttime, come back and look at
the lights. Alright. Cool.
Well, yeah. Thank you for the review of
S Life Lakes area. Yeah. I have, not
explored enough of that, and hopefully, we'll get
down to it soon enough. Mh. Yeah. Bald
Mountain for sure. It's a highlight. I know
lots of photos for... Or see lots of
photos from down there. Lots of people talking
about it. Mh. I think that,
I'm gonna go out on the limb here
and say that that is an area that
is so frequently traveled to in a destination
that we need to start protecting it to...
Some extent. Mh.
Please, so please stay on trails. Please stay,
you know, collect, carry it pack in and
pack out whatever you have. You know, just
do be good stewards to the land and,
you know, then people can continue to visit
those areas like that. Yeah. And huge shout
out to Clovis independent 4 wheelers and all
the other clubs that help maintain that area.
They do a really good job at trash
cleanup regularly,
They have quite a bit of infrastructure in
terms of signage at sand flats to tell
people how to get to and access the
different areas, different trails.
There's bathrooms
There's, a trash cans in a couple areas
too. So they have a pretty decent amount
of infrastructure up there, and I know the
4 wheel drive clubs maintain almost all of
it. Wow. So huge shout out to the
clubs in the Fresno area that help maintain
the shaver
wheel area. It is very impressive.
What they've done and what they're able to
do since they have a really good relationship
with Sierra National Forest. Nice. So... Yeah.
Sweet. Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah. Well, if you
wanna get in contact with us and give
us some corrections on this area, feel free
to reach out. I'm at snail trail 4
by 4 on instagram tyler's over at 4
by 4 Toyota to Tyler. Mh. You can
email us, jimmy or tyler at snail trail
4 by 4 dot com. Mh. Or you
can phone in and tell about your favorite
trail out in that area with the phone
number being 9163454744I
like it a lot. And with that, Jimmy
Jet, do you have any final words for
everybody out there? I wonder if they do
a 31 tire 31 inch tire run out
there. We could start 1. And with that
my friends? Keep crawling.
I got 1 for you. You're very cheering
with that? Are you excited about this 1?
Okay. Yes. It's not 1 of the cards.
I know. So... Okay. I'm ready. I guess.
Why?
Did the car
not go to school.
It had a readers block, like an engine
block.
Clever, but no. Okay. I don't know then.
It failed. It's a mission test.
Yeah,
Add admission. Add admission to. Mission. Is emission
emission admissions. Add admission.
No. I don't know. I that's a stretch.
More than readers block? No. That one's a
big stretch.